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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:18,046 --> 00:01:21,749 Between 2018 and 2022, 2 00:01:21,849 --> 00:01:23,518 three actresses were murdered 3 00:01:23,618 --> 00:01:26,119 during production of the film Dissident 4 00:01:26,219 --> 00:01:29,557 by an individual known as The Hollywood Killer. 5 00:01:31,993 --> 00:01:36,731 THK attempted a fourth murder on actress Audrey Evans, 6 00:01:36,831 --> 00:01:40,001 who escaped and went on to finish the film. 7 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,637 The only evidence that exists 8 00:01:42,737 --> 00:01:46,507 is the footage of the murders that THK filmed 9 00:01:46,608 --> 00:01:50,044 and outtakes from the film Dissident. 10 00:01:50,143 --> 00:01:52,780 The case remains unsolved. 11 00:02:26,748 --> 00:02:30,084 Killing isn't as scary as it sounds. 12 00:02:30,685 --> 00:02:34,922 When you do it enough, you actually start to enjoy it. 13 00:02:37,725 --> 00:02:40,094 Cut, don't move, stay there. Dustin, 14 00:02:40,193 --> 00:02:41,461 I got a question for you. 15 00:02:41,562 --> 00:02:43,598 -Are you a killer? -Yes. 16 00:02:43,698 --> 00:02:45,465 Yeah? Let me see your eyes. I can't see them. 17 00:02:45,566 --> 00:02:47,502 Look at me. Are you a killer? 18 00:02:47,602 --> 00:02:49,403 -Yes. -Go back over there. 19 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:50,738 -Are you a fucking killer? -Yes. 20 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:52,339 That's crazy 'cause I don't fucking believe you. 21 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:53,541 -Are you a killer? -Yes. 22 00:02:53,641 --> 00:02:54,776 - Are you a killer? - Yes. 23 00:02:54,876 --> 00:02:55,710 -You're a killer? -Yes! 24 00:02:55,810 --> 00:02:57,011 - You're gonna kill for me? - Yes. 25 00:02:57,111 --> 00:02:57,912 -You're gonna kill for me? -Yes. 26 00:02:58,012 --> 00:02:59,614 Okay. Wait. 27 00:02:59,714 --> 00:03:01,214 Roll camera.-. 28 00:03:01,314 --> 00:03:02,550 You a killer, Dustin? 29 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:03,785 Yes. 30 00:03:03,885 --> 00:03:05,218 Action. 31 00:03:07,487 --> 00:03:10,525 Killing isn't as scary as it sounds. 32 00:03:11,092 --> 00:03:15,462 When you do it enough, you actually start to enjoy it. 33 00:04:10,785 --> 00:04:12,319 My name is Thomas Scott. 34 00:04:12,419 --> 00:04:14,188 I'm a former FBI agent. 35 00:04:14,287 --> 00:04:15,690 And when I was at the Bureau, 36 00:04:15,790 --> 00:04:20,360 I had the highest success rate of any profiler in history. 37 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:23,164 I caught every single serial killer 38 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,933 I ever chased, except for one. 39 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,336 This one, The Hollywood Killer. 40 00:04:29,604 --> 00:04:32,540 Also known as THK, he became famous 41 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,543 because of the cinematic nature of his crimes. 42 00:04:35,643 --> 00:04:40,081 He was the first serial killer ever to film the murders 43 00:04:40,181 --> 00:04:41,983 and upload them to the Internet. 44 00:04:42,083 --> 00:04:44,552 But why is he so hard to catch? 45 00:04:44,652 --> 00:04:47,088 Is it the lack of evidence? No. 46 00:04:47,188 --> 00:04:50,457 I've solved plenty of cases with very little evidence. 47 00:04:50,558 --> 00:04:53,426 The real challenge lies in the unconventional 48 00:04:53,528 --> 00:04:55,930 and peculiar nature of the suspects. 49 00:04:56,030 --> 00:04:57,098 And let me just say, 50 00:04:57,198 --> 00:05:00,968 this is the strangest group of suspects I've ever seen. 51 00:05:01,068 --> 00:05:02,469 Christopher Pace, 52 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:04,371 the writer and director of Dissident 53 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:06,439 and a six-time Oscar winner. 54 00:05:06,541 --> 00:05:07,742 Lawrence Hughes, 55 00:05:07,842 --> 00:05:11,378 one of the most respected actors in the world. 56 00:05:12,013 --> 00:05:12,980 Tedd Mankiewicz, 57 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,917 the most powerful manager in Hollywood. 58 00:05:16,017 --> 00:05:20,087 Dustin Scott, a former teen heartthrob. 59 00:05:20,188 --> 00:05:21,589 And Melvin Asher, 60 00:05:21,689 --> 00:05:25,425 the biggest box office star ever. 61 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:28,529 And one of them could be responsible for the murders 62 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:31,632 of three of the most famous actresses in history. 63 00:05:31,732 --> 00:05:36,571 Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball, and Greata Daniels. 64 00:05:36,871 --> 00:05:39,740 It's important to understand what connects everyone. 65 00:05:39,841 --> 00:05:41,742 And the thing that links the suspects, 66 00:05:41,843 --> 00:05:45,613 the victims, and the killer all together 67 00:05:45,713 --> 00:05:47,215 is the film Dissident, 68 00:05:47,315 --> 00:05:51,519 a film which has made history for a variety of reasons. 69 00:05:51,619 --> 00:05:54,288 The first being that the original director, 70 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:56,157 Christopher Demy, did something 71 00:05:56,257 --> 00:05:57,859 that he had never done before, 72 00:05:57,959 --> 00:05:59,861 that no one had ever done before. 73 00:05:59,961 --> 00:06:02,362 He was going to let the cameras roll 74 00:06:02,462 --> 00:06:04,232 when no one knew they were rolling. 75 00:06:04,332 --> 00:06:08,236 The only people that knew was the guy who loads the film 76 00:06:08,336 --> 00:06:10,037 and Ivan who's shooting the film. 77 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:12,372 The writer didn't know. The actors didn't know. 78 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:13,574 No one else knew. 79 00:06:13,674 --> 00:06:16,677 All of the outtakes have become evidence 80 00:06:16,777 --> 00:06:20,380 in the largest murder case in history. 81 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,550 So Demy, right at the beginning of the project, 82 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:24,318 instructed me very clearly 83 00:06:24,451 --> 00:06:27,387 that the camera was never to be cut. 84 00:06:27,655 --> 00:06:31,559 And, at first, it sounded very strange. 85 00:06:31,659 --> 00:06:33,327 I've never done that before. 86 00:06:33,426 --> 00:06:35,663 I've shot everything in my life. 87 00:06:35,763 --> 00:06:39,533 But not cutting a camera just makes no sense. 88 00:06:39,634 --> 00:06:43,070 Now, he was right because what he was after 89 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:47,074 was the magic that happens in between the shots, 90 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:48,441 in between the takes. 91 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:53,147 So this film shot the most feet of film 92 00:06:53,247 --> 00:06:54,382 ever in history. 93 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:56,384 The logistic is complicated, 94 00:06:56,483 --> 00:06:58,552 but the camera was never to cut. 95 00:06:58,653 --> 00:07:02,023 So everything was rolling at all times. 96 00:07:03,658 --> 00:07:05,726 So how do you feel about the fact 97 00:07:05,826 --> 00:07:08,963 that the cameras were rolling the whole time? 98 00:07:09,597 --> 00:07:14,535 Uh, you know, I think it's ultimately, uh, irrelevant, 99 00:07:14,635 --> 00:07:16,570 how do I feel. 100 00:07:16,671 --> 00:07:18,806 Uh, clearly, I'm not a performer. 101 00:07:18,906 --> 00:07:21,909 It's not what I get enjoyment or pleasure out of. 102 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:24,444 So I think that there's this misconception 103 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:26,580 about the way that I conduct myself 104 00:07:26,681 --> 00:07:28,481 is, in and of itself, a performance 105 00:07:28,582 --> 00:07:31,619 that I was aware that the cameras were rolling. 106 00:07:31,719 --> 00:07:33,421 Uh, nothing could be further from the truth. 107 00:07:33,521 --> 00:07:34,956 Uh, unfortunately, what you are getting 108 00:07:35,056 --> 00:07:39,760 is, um, unadulterated, uh, reality. 109 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:42,663 You are getting me as I am in those moments. 110 00:07:42,763 --> 00:07:43,831 Or I will make the blood 111 00:07:43,931 --> 00:07:45,333 come out of your fucking mouth for real. 112 00:07:45,433 --> 00:07:46,466 You got it. 113 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:47,335 You ever bled like this? 114 00:07:47,435 --> 00:07:48,703 You.. Yeah. 115 00:07:48,803 --> 00:07:50,004 -Yeah? You bled like this? -You already got it. 116 00:07:50,104 --> 00:07:52,640 Think about the last time you bled like this, okay? 117 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:54,842 Think about it. Just think about it, okay? 118 00:07:55,710 --> 00:07:57,078 Again. Come on! 119 00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:01,816 -Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no! -Okay, can I go? 120 00:08:01,916 --> 00:08:04,418 You got to stop running away from it, okay? 121 00:08:04,552 --> 00:08:06,988 Don't be afraid of it! Stay with it! 122 00:08:07,088 --> 00:08:08,089 Again! 123 00:08:09,824 --> 00:08:11,225 - Uh-huh. - Okay-- 124 00:08:11,325 --> 00:08:13,527 No, no. It looks like you're going to have a fucking orgasm. 125 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:14,729 Thank you, guys! 126 00:08:14,829 --> 00:08:16,464 Get back down in the blood! 127 00:08:16,564 --> 00:08:17,698 Get the fuck back in the blood! 128 00:08:17,798 --> 00:08:19,233 - Bye! - Greata, I swear to God! 129 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:20,634 Come back here! 130 00:08:20,735 --> 00:08:23,537 If any of us knew the cameras were rolling at all times, 131 00:08:23,637 --> 00:08:25,773 none of us would have acted the way we did. 132 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:28,442 I'm excited that all this footage exists, 133 00:08:28,542 --> 00:08:30,945 because it shows you the hell 134 00:08:31,045 --> 00:08:34,448 that we go through just to entertain people. 135 00:08:34,548 --> 00:08:37,151 - Marty? Marty! - Yeah. 136 00:08:37,251 --> 00:08:38,285 Listen to me. 137 00:08:38,386 --> 00:08:40,187 I can feel your effort 138 00:08:40,287 --> 00:08:43,724 to drive straight through the rubber and aluminum. 139 00:08:43,824 --> 00:08:45,426 Do not drive like an actor, Marty! 140 00:08:45,526 --> 00:08:46,660 Hold the window. 141 00:08:46,761 --> 00:08:48,195 - Do not drive like an actor! - Go away! 142 00:08:48,295 --> 00:08:50,131 - Drive like a fucking man! - Go away! 143 00:08:50,231 --> 00:08:52,233 Drive like a man! 144 00:08:52,333 --> 00:08:53,502 In the history of movie making, 145 00:08:53,601 --> 00:08:54,735 I've never seen anything like this happen. 146 00:08:54,835 --> 00:08:57,905 I mean, I've made 218 movies. 147 00:08:58,005 --> 00:09:00,641 I've filmed in 40 countries in the world. 148 00:09:00,741 --> 00:09:06,213 I've had six fucking wives, and this is unprecedented. 149 00:09:06,614 --> 00:09:08,482 You can't talk about Hollywood lore 150 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:10,851 without talking about three films. 151 00:09:11,118 --> 00:09:15,122 Apocalypse Now, The Wizard of Oz, and Dissident. 152 00:09:15,222 --> 00:09:18,826 But to understand why Dissident is on that list, 153 00:09:18,926 --> 00:09:21,362 we have to meet the original architect, 154 00:09:21,462 --> 00:09:22,563 Christopher Demy. 155 00:09:22,663 --> 00:09:23,798 Can you tell me a little bit 156 00:09:23,898 --> 00:09:26,100 about who you are and what you do? 157 00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:30,104 I'm an auteur. 158 00:09:30,938 --> 00:09:31,972 You know what that means? 159 00:09:32,073 --> 00:09:34,975 That means someone who has a clear vision 160 00:09:35,076 --> 00:09:37,411 of the kind of films they want to make. 161 00:09:37,512 --> 00:09:39,747 And the films I make are big, 162 00:09:39,847 --> 00:09:42,049 and people seem to like them. 163 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:44,218 Demy is one of the top-grossing directors 164 00:09:44,318 --> 00:09:45,453 of all time, 165 00:09:45,554 --> 00:09:47,621 but Dissident was written by one 166 00:09:47,721 --> 00:09:49,657 of the hottest screenwriters in the world, 167 00:09:49,757 --> 00:09:51,192 Christopher Pace. 168 00:09:51,292 --> 00:09:54,795 So I was excited to ask Pace what he thought about Demy. 169 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:56,565 He's a lost little boy. 170 00:09:56,664 --> 00:10:00,401 Um, still playing with toys, 171 00:10:00,502 --> 00:10:04,839 believing that big explosions 172 00:10:04,939 --> 00:10:08,008 and, uh, rotating cameras 173 00:10:08,109 --> 00:10:11,812 and putting things in reverse make a film. 174 00:10:11,912 --> 00:10:15,149 He is an artist in search of art. 175 00:10:15,249 --> 00:10:17,918 Um, I don't know what to say about that. 176 00:10:18,018 --> 00:10:23,491 I will let the hearsay, the pundits, the Internet, 177 00:10:23,592 --> 00:10:27,128 your mama, say whatever they want to say. 178 00:10:27,228 --> 00:10:28,762 I know who I am. 179 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:31,932 It's easy to say they're not fans of each other. 180 00:10:32,032 --> 00:10:34,569 Maybe the biggest issue between them was the fact 181 00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:36,437 that Demy kept the cameras rolling 182 00:10:36,538 --> 00:10:38,139 without Pace's knowledge. 183 00:10:38,239 --> 00:10:40,774 Pace claimed that Demy used the controversy 184 00:10:40,875 --> 00:10:42,810 around the outtakes and their feud 185 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:45,746 to turn the film into a social commentary. 186 00:10:45,846 --> 00:10:48,583 So I asked him, "What does it mean?" 187 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:50,585 Everyone wants to know, "What does it mean? 188 00:10:50,684 --> 00:10:52,453 What does it mean?" 189 00:10:52,753 --> 00:10:54,556 It's whatever the fuck you want it to mean. 190 00:10:54,655 --> 00:10:55,789 It's like, what the fuck? 191 00:10:55,890 --> 00:10:57,559 I'm not supposed to do all the work for you. 192 00:10:57,658 --> 00:10:58,859 I'm supposed to lay out the art. 193 00:10:58,959 --> 00:11:00,595 I know what the fuck I know what it means, 194 00:11:00,694 --> 00:11:02,229 but people, "But wait, was it this?" 195 00:11:02,329 --> 00:11:04,365 They stop me on the street. I can't go to Starbucks. 196 00:11:04,465 --> 00:11:06,467 "Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?" 197 00:11:06,568 --> 00:11:07,636 I'm like, "I don't know." 198 00:11:07,735 --> 00:11:09,336 It could mean female independence. 199 00:11:09,436 --> 00:11:10,704 It could mean liberation. 200 00:11:10,804 --> 00:11:13,274 It could mean, uh, deconstructive masculinity. 201 00:11:13,374 --> 00:11:14,576 You name it. 202 00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:16,277 Whatever it is, that's what I'm happy with. 203 00:11:16,377 --> 00:11:19,213 I create the art. You create the interpretation. 204 00:11:19,313 --> 00:11:23,184 All I know is that what I did on this film 205 00:11:23,284 --> 00:11:25,252 will be deconstructed, 206 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:30,457 and reinterpreted, and pondered for many, many years 207 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,260 in film schools across this land. 208 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,264 I was there the day Demy walked away from the film. 209 00:11:37,666 --> 00:11:39,233 It was the day that I would never forget 210 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:42,571 and it was the day that changed the film forever. 211 00:11:42,671 --> 00:11:43,837 The phone booth day. 212 00:11:43,938 --> 00:11:45,773 Listen to me, Demy! How about that? 213 00:11:45,873 --> 00:11:47,208 How about if I just talked to you 214 00:11:47,308 --> 00:11:49,210 and told you that I am not a writer, 215 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:51,845 nor am I a hero? I am the fucking devil! 216 00:11:51,946 --> 00:11:52,880 Yeah, two Oscars. 217 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:54,815 I melted 'em down into a pen 218 00:11:54,915 --> 00:11:56,685 and I wrote this fucking script with it! 219 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:57,985 I don't give a fuck about your Oscars! 220 00:11:58,085 --> 00:12:00,821 And if you could honestly tell me that this scene, 221 00:12:00,921 --> 00:12:02,723 the way it's going, the way he's doing it, 222 00:12:02,823 --> 00:12:05,459 isn't fucking dog shit, then I will walk away 223 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:07,027 and let you piss all over my dream. 224 00:12:07,127 --> 00:12:10,798 I won't shoot until you get down on your knees and pray to me. 225 00:12:11,932 --> 00:12:14,268 You want to get a new phone booth in here, maybe? 226 00:12:14,368 --> 00:12:15,302 So after we wrap tonight, 227 00:12:15,402 --> 00:12:17,738 I'm going to come to your fucking hotel room, 228 00:12:17,838 --> 00:12:19,440 room 246, 229 00:12:19,541 --> 00:12:22,577 and I will beat you until you fucking love me! 230 00:12:22,677 --> 00:12:23,612 You're not a fucking... 231 00:12:23,712 --> 00:12:25,012 You see that? That was... 232 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:26,313 You're fucking trash. 233 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,249 You fucking ingest it over and over again 234 00:12:28,349 --> 00:12:29,883 while I'm throwing the fuck up on you. 235 00:12:29,984 --> 00:12:32,186 I'm fucking vomiting it all back to you! 236 00:12:32,286 --> 00:12:34,822 You're fucked up! That's not fucking art! 237 00:12:34,922 --> 00:12:37,825 Fuck you! Fuck you! 238 00:12:38,492 --> 00:12:41,362 Oh, in the beginning, Demy and Pace were a dream team. 239 00:12:41,462 --> 00:12:44,064 They were great. They got along really well. 240 00:12:44,164 --> 00:12:48,302 But, you know, even Pippen talks shit on Jordan now. 241 00:12:49,571 --> 00:12:50,538 I hate this man. 242 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:51,740 -Mm-hmm. -I would love to beat him. 243 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:53,440 The only reason I can't is because of... 244 00:12:53,541 --> 00:12:55,175 Well, some obscure DJ law, you're not supposed 245 00:12:55,276 --> 00:12:57,778 to fucking kick the shit out of 246 00:12:57,878 --> 00:12:59,681 Um, this is an awful environment, 247 00:12:59,780 --> 00:13:01,282 and I apologize for that. 248 00:13:01,382 --> 00:13:04,686 The moment Pace walked into that phone booth 249 00:13:04,785 --> 00:13:07,288 was the moment Demy walked off set. 250 00:13:07,388 --> 00:13:08,757 Forever. 251 00:13:08,856 --> 00:13:11,526 When Demy quit, Hollywood was riddled 252 00:13:11,626 --> 00:13:15,730 with speculation as to why this massive director 253 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:18,633 would walk from such a big movie. 254 00:13:19,033 --> 00:13:21,869 Those people have no idea where I come from 255 00:13:21,969 --> 00:13:23,538 and the kind of worlds that I create 256 00:13:23,638 --> 00:13:25,339 and the kind of sets that I create. 257 00:13:25,439 --> 00:13:27,808 The real reason why I quit is because I just couldn't take 258 00:13:27,908 --> 00:13:29,310 working with Pace. 259 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:30,679 So I left the film, 260 00:13:30,779 --> 00:13:34,114 and the press labeled me as a monster. 261 00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:36,250 You know, I'm not even gonna name the monsters, 262 00:13:36,350 --> 00:13:37,985 but there are many monsters in this industry 263 00:13:38,085 --> 00:13:40,755 and I'm definitely not one of them. 264 00:13:41,055 --> 00:13:42,856 At this point, we were three weeks behind schedule 265 00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:45,259 after two weeks of shooting. 266 00:13:45,359 --> 00:13:46,795 You do that math. 267 00:13:46,894 --> 00:13:48,395 I knew from the first production meeting 268 00:13:48,495 --> 00:13:51,465 that Pace and Demy would never be able to work together. 269 00:13:51,566 --> 00:13:54,234 The only one who understands Dissident is Pace. 270 00:13:54,636 --> 00:13:56,837 You'll never be able to understand Dissident 271 00:13:56,937 --> 00:13:58,872 without understanding a theatrical technique 272 00:13:58,972 --> 00:14:00,775 called theater of cruelty. 273 00:14:01,108 --> 00:14:02,677 That is what Dissident is. 274 00:14:02,777 --> 00:14:04,512 Dissident is theater of cruelty. 275 00:14:04,612 --> 00:14:07,915 The principle conceit of theater of cruelty 276 00:14:08,015 --> 00:14:10,785 was to create theatrical pieces 277 00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:12,219 that were so shocking, 278 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:15,724 that were so upsetting, grotesque, uh, and powerful 279 00:14:15,824 --> 00:14:19,026 that the audience did not have the opportunity to think. 280 00:14:19,126 --> 00:14:22,096 They had nothing to do but live, but to exist, 281 00:14:22,196 --> 00:14:24,064 but to experience what they were seeing. 282 00:14:24,164 --> 00:14:26,534 I told Demy, just like I told Mocker, 283 00:14:26,634 --> 00:14:28,202 just like I told Mankiewicz, 284 00:14:28,302 --> 00:14:30,070 that nobody could shoot this movie but me. 285 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:32,774 And yet Demy, finding himself 286 00:14:32,873 --> 00:14:34,809 caught between the Scylla and Charybdis, 287 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:38,178 the crashing rocks of my creation 288 00:14:38,278 --> 00:14:41,716 and the sea monster of trying to interpret it, 289 00:14:41,816 --> 00:14:45,754 he realizes that he's drowning and he starts a fight with me. 290 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:48,989 He wanted a reason to walk off that set. 291 00:14:50,658 --> 00:14:52,761 And I gave it to him. 292 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,764 So when Demy quit before he walked out of the set, 293 00:14:55,864 --> 00:14:59,066 he pulled me aside and he made me promise 294 00:14:59,166 --> 00:15:03,170 that I would keep rolling the camera in between takes. 295 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:04,672 So I did. 296 00:15:04,773 --> 00:15:06,206 We started working together. 297 00:15:06,306 --> 00:15:08,075 You said one thing, you said, "I make it look good," okay? 298 00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:09,276 But this does not look good. 299 00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:10,845 You don't let me make it look good. 300 00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:12,446 I don't let you? How could I stop you? 301 00:15:12,547 --> 00:15:13,447 You choose the lenses. 302 00:15:13,548 --> 00:15:15,717 Of course I'm gonna choose the lenses. 303 00:15:15,817 --> 00:15:17,752 This is my fucking film. It is my job. 304 00:15:17,852 --> 00:15:19,286 -It's my lens, though. -No, no, no. 305 00:15:19,386 --> 00:15:21,790 I feel like you really struggle with object permanence, okay? 306 00:15:21,890 --> 00:15:23,424 It's not your lens. 307 00:15:23,525 --> 00:15:27,227 What Demy didn't know when he asked Ivan to do this 308 00:15:27,327 --> 00:15:30,598 was that this footage would lead to Christopher Pace 309 00:15:30,698 --> 00:15:34,067 being a murder suspect and would soon be part 310 00:15:34,168 --> 00:15:37,004 of one of the largest murder investigations 311 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:38,807 in Hollywood history. 312 00:15:38,907 --> 00:15:41,041 But let's start with Pace taking over 313 00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:43,678 as the director of Dissident. 314 00:15:43,778 --> 00:15:44,813 You're here, right? 315 00:15:44,913 --> 00:15:46,748 Like this and then boom, like that. 316 00:15:46,848 --> 00:15:48,015 -Did you see me? -Yeah. 317 00:15:48,115 --> 00:15:50,384 But it's a motion! It comes up! 318 00:15:50,484 --> 00:15:51,385 Ow! 319 00:15:51,485 --> 00:15:54,421 I still remember the day that Pace took over. 320 00:15:54,856 --> 00:15:56,758 It is a day that will live in infamy 321 00:15:56,858 --> 00:15:59,627 as the worst day of my life. 322 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:01,596 Give me your hand. This one, right here. 323 00:16:01,696 --> 00:16:02,463 -All right, ready? -Yeah. 324 00:16:02,564 --> 00:16:03,832 -Put your finger out like that. -Yeah. 325 00:16:03,932 --> 00:16:05,700 All right? Now I want you to poke me. 326 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:06,801 Poke me. Come on. Poke me. 327 00:16:06,901 --> 00:16:08,469 -Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh. -Mm-hmm. 328 00:16:08,570 --> 00:16:10,037 -It's getting difficult, right? -Yeah. 329 00:16:10,137 --> 00:16:11,573 Why don't you fucking poke me? 330 00:16:11,673 --> 00:16:12,607 Right? Okay. 331 00:16:12,707 --> 00:16:15,375 Now I want you to ask me to do the same thing. 332 00:16:15,476 --> 00:16:18,111 I want you to poke me. Ah, fucker! 333 00:16:18,212 --> 00:16:19,881 -Stop trying to win, Dustin. -God damn. 334 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:21,482 And fucking listen to me. 335 00:16:21,883 --> 00:16:23,651 Pace made my life a living hell. 336 00:16:23,751 --> 00:16:26,286 I remember getting a call from Dustin's manager 337 00:16:26,386 --> 00:16:29,022 saying that he was trying to kill him with a helicopter. 338 00:16:37,732 --> 00:16:38,933 Personally, I thought 339 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,902 the helicopter should have been closer, 340 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:44,037 but the film industry is full of pussies. 341 00:16:44,506 --> 00:16:47,909 Pace is one of the smartest directors out there. 342 00:16:48,008 --> 00:16:50,912 He knows everything about everything in film. 343 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:52,312 He did his homework. 344 00:16:52,412 --> 00:16:55,082 He's a contemporary of Tarantino in that way. 345 00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:56,985 He's younger, but he's as smart, 346 00:16:57,084 --> 00:16:59,152 and he has a really, really deep perception. 347 00:16:59,253 --> 00:17:01,523 He used the neorealist aspect 348 00:17:01,623 --> 00:17:07,361 in order to reinvent cinema from himself. 349 00:17:07,461 --> 00:17:10,097 And here's something that Pace said to me at one point, 350 00:17:10,197 --> 00:17:11,465 which I think is interesting. 351 00:17:11,566 --> 00:17:13,535 There's a quote from Chaplin, famous quote. 352 00:17:13,635 --> 00:17:18,205 Life when viewed in close-up is a tragedy, 353 00:17:18,305 --> 00:17:21,576 and in long shot, it is a, uh, a comedy. 354 00:17:21,676 --> 00:17:24,244 Pace said to me, "Chaplin got it wrong. 355 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:26,014 "In close-up, it's a comedy. 356 00:17:26,113 --> 00:17:29,116 In long shot, that's when it's a tragedy." 357 00:17:29,216 --> 00:17:30,818 The thing that people don't realize 358 00:17:30,919 --> 00:17:32,319 is they're just playing checkers. 359 00:17:32,419 --> 00:17:35,188 Pace is playing four-dimensional chess. 360 00:17:35,289 --> 00:17:36,758 Okay, Zeus, I need you 361 00:17:36,858 --> 00:17:38,960 in conversation with the wind. 362 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:41,029 I want you to think about, uh, 363 00:17:41,128 --> 00:17:43,263 it's like My Dinner with Andre. 364 00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:46,000 Give me Wallace Shawn! 365 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:48,235 That's beautiful! Beautiful work. 366 00:17:48,335 --> 00:17:50,872 Okay, Audrey, I want you to know 367 00:17:50,972 --> 00:17:52,540 that the helicopter pilot 368 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,343 has a better understanding of human emotion than you do. 369 00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:58,613 You're a titan of banality! 370 00:17:58,713 --> 00:18:01,716 Hey, you know what, Ivan? Ivan, I don't... 371 00:18:01,816 --> 00:18:03,952 Just film something. I don't even care anymore. 372 00:18:04,052 --> 00:18:05,587 Just shoot it. 373 00:18:05,887 --> 00:18:10,058 Every director has their tactic, their, their method. 374 00:18:10,157 --> 00:18:13,293 And Pace says he's a Meisner guy, 375 00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:14,494 and he's really method, 376 00:18:14,596 --> 00:18:17,565 and he likes to exist in the, the situation. 377 00:18:17,665 --> 00:18:21,401 But, really, his tactics are a lot like Mein Kampf, 378 00:18:21,502 --> 00:18:22,804 you know, like, like Hitler. 379 00:18:22,904 --> 00:18:25,873 Like, he's the son of Hitler, I'm pretty sure. 380 00:18:25,974 --> 00:18:29,544 We get these constant comparisons 381 00:18:29,644 --> 00:18:35,349 to the Fourth Reich, to the Nazis, to Hitler. 382 00:18:35,449 --> 00:18:38,185 Um, when these comparisons are made, 383 00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:39,687 it's about methodology, right? 384 00:18:39,787 --> 00:18:41,556 Because the prevailing mythology 385 00:18:41,656 --> 00:18:45,359 around the fascists is, yes, they were awful, 386 00:18:45,459 --> 00:18:47,962 yes, they were brutes, yes, they were genocidal, 387 00:18:48,062 --> 00:18:51,264 but the trains ran on time, but they got things done. 388 00:18:51,365 --> 00:18:54,636 So I get this comparison, I assume, 389 00:18:54,736 --> 00:18:57,204 because the idea is that I am brutal, 390 00:18:57,304 --> 00:18:58,539 but I get things done. 391 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,143 Well, I get things done not because of cruelty, 392 00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:07,815 not because I am willing to wipe out people 393 00:19:07,915 --> 00:19:10,150 in order to accomplish my goals, no, no, no. 394 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:13,855 It is perpetual motion. It is Oppenheim. 395 00:19:13,955 --> 00:19:15,489 I am become death. 396 00:19:15,757 --> 00:19:18,158 Because once something has, uh, begun, 397 00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:20,227 once, once the ball is rolling, 398 00:19:20,327 --> 00:19:22,964 it has to reach its conclusion. 399 00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:25,566 And that is, that is how I work. 400 00:19:25,667 --> 00:19:29,537 Once I have begun, uh, I will not be stopped. 401 00:19:29,971 --> 00:19:31,973 This is not about you. You know what is about you? 402 00:19:32,073 --> 00:19:33,841 This moment, this scene, okay? 403 00:19:33,941 --> 00:19:35,143 So I want you to focus on that. 404 00:19:35,242 --> 00:19:36,811 I don't give a shit about anything else around it. 405 00:19:36,911 --> 00:19:38,012 No, no, no. This. 406 00:19:38,112 --> 00:19:39,246 You know why I put the gloves on? 407 00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:40,414 -No. -So that I can hurt you 408 00:19:40,515 --> 00:19:42,215 without leaving marks on my skin. 409 00:19:42,583 --> 00:19:44,886 Pace didn't care what the scene was. 410 00:19:44,986 --> 00:19:47,855 I mean, hell, he'd have walked in on the birth of Christ 411 00:19:47,955 --> 00:19:49,189 and given Mary instructions 412 00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:51,826 how she could do it better and with more meaning. 413 00:19:51,926 --> 00:19:53,193 You know what, Dustin? 414 00:19:53,293 --> 00:19:55,262 I've been watching the monitor and it seems to me 415 00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:57,131 that you're starting to perspire. 416 00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:59,399 Does that seem accurate to you? 417 00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:01,234 I'm having an issue with the sweat. 418 00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:02,436 I need you to stop that. 419 00:20:02,537 --> 00:20:04,237 I mean, for us, a cut was never a cut. 420 00:20:04,337 --> 00:20:06,574 We just kept the camera rolling all the time 421 00:20:06,674 --> 00:20:08,042 because we got some great stuff, 422 00:20:08,142 --> 00:20:09,744 because Pace was compelling people 423 00:20:09,844 --> 00:20:12,780 to do things they might not have wanted to do. 424 00:20:13,114 --> 00:20:17,350 Yeah, Pace had a way of taking anything and everything 425 00:20:17,451 --> 00:20:18,686 that brought you joy 426 00:20:18,786 --> 00:20:20,688 and just drowning it in darkness. 427 00:20:20,788 --> 00:20:22,322 -Are you crying? -No, I'm not crying-- 428 00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:24,992 No, no, no. No, no. There's no crying. 429 00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:26,527 There's no crying in filmmaking! 430 00:20:26,627 --> 00:20:28,462 No! There's no crying in film! 431 00:20:28,563 --> 00:20:31,465 There is crying on film! On film, never in film. 432 00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:35,603 What I say to my actors 433 00:20:37,404 --> 00:20:39,073 is between us. 434 00:20:39,173 --> 00:20:42,076 It has no bearing on anything 435 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:45,378 but what you see in that frame. 436 00:20:45,847 --> 00:20:47,548 There's a lot of tension between you guys. 437 00:20:49,016 --> 00:20:51,351 Normally that would be okay. In this section, not good. 438 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:53,453 Okay? So I need you to release the tension. 439 00:20:53,554 --> 00:20:54,789 At the end of the next take, 440 00:20:54,889 --> 00:20:57,892 I just want the two of you guys to just have sex, okay? 441 00:20:57,992 --> 00:20:59,292 And we're gonna film it, 442 00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:01,361 but be prepared to stop and start 443 00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:04,198 because I will have adjustments specifically for you. 444 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:06,200 Hey, pay attention, okay? 445 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:08,335 Pace is one of the most mysterious people 446 00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:09,504 I've ever investigated. 447 00:21:09,604 --> 00:21:12,073 He's an orphan with no family, 448 00:21:12,173 --> 00:21:15,308 no friends, and no discernible past. 449 00:21:15,408 --> 00:21:19,346 In fact, the only person we could find to interview 450 00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:22,083 who knew him before he was famous 451 00:21:22,183 --> 00:21:23,718 was his college roommate. 452 00:21:24,886 --> 00:21:26,220 My name is Randall Birch. 453 00:21:26,353 --> 00:21:27,622 I'm a Tony Award-winning actor. 454 00:21:27,722 --> 00:21:30,357 That means I perform on the stage. 455 00:21:30,625 --> 00:21:33,460 And Christopher Pace was my college roommate. 456 00:21:33,561 --> 00:21:36,296 I would describe living with Christopher Pace 457 00:21:36,396 --> 00:21:41,102 as, as a FOG: Fear, Obligation, Guilt. 458 00:21:41,202 --> 00:21:44,071 He was masterful at getting anyone 459 00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:45,573 besides myself, I would say, 460 00:21:45,673 --> 00:21:49,744 to do exactly what he wanted, no matter how depraved. 461 00:21:49,844 --> 00:21:52,479 They were like cult members, and he was a cult leader. 462 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:56,584 When I saw the first video posted on social media of Ava, 463 00:21:56,684 --> 00:22:00,387 I immediately called the LAPD, and I told them, 464 00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:02,790 Christopher Pace is the one that did this murder. 465 00:22:02,890 --> 00:22:05,560 It was filmed exactly like how Christopher would film 466 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:07,460 everything that went on in our house. 467 00:22:07,562 --> 00:22:10,264 I think it's fascinating that we've had 468 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,600 famous serial killers throughout time, 469 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,504 and yet no one else filmed the act. 470 00:22:17,538 --> 00:22:22,743 I think the idea that Christopher Pace did that 471 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:25,012 makes a lot of sense to me. 472 00:22:25,112 --> 00:22:26,180 I can tell you this. 473 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,349 Pace is definitely a murderer. 474 00:22:29,784 --> 00:22:31,451 I just don't know if he's the murderer. 475 00:22:31,552 --> 00:22:34,055 I will stab you in the fucking throat, Tedd. 476 00:22:34,155 --> 00:22:35,289 -I will do it. Okay? -Do it. 477 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:36,456 You'll never work again. Do it. 478 00:22:36,557 --> 00:22:38,025 I don't need to work. I could work in prison. 479 00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:39,227 I'd put on a prison play 480 00:22:39,327 --> 00:22:40,561 that would win a fucking Oscar, all right? 481 00:22:40,661 --> 00:22:42,163 And I would fuck all the inmates. 482 00:22:42,263 --> 00:22:44,397 Is he out of his fucking mind? 483 00:22:44,497 --> 00:22:45,833 No doubt about it. 484 00:22:45,933 --> 00:22:49,937 But when you're a genius, people have to tolerate you. 485 00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:52,173 And that's what Pace is. 486 00:22:52,273 --> 00:22:53,841 He's a genius. 487 00:22:54,108 --> 00:22:57,477 I am all things to all people. 488 00:22:58,512 --> 00:23:00,413 I am Mother. 489 00:23:00,514 --> 00:23:02,415 I am Father. 490 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:07,588 I am killer, I am saint, I am devil, I am savior. 491 00:23:07,989 --> 00:23:12,627 I am Idi Amin and I am also Gandhi. 492 00:23:12,727 --> 00:23:14,929 -You know what this is? -That's film. 493 00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:16,063 Yeah, this is the film 494 00:23:16,163 --> 00:23:17,698 from that really tight profile shot I got of you. 495 00:23:17,798 --> 00:23:19,333 I just ripped it out of the fucking camera. 496 00:23:19,432 --> 00:23:20,735 -You know why I did that? -No. 497 00:23:20,835 --> 00:23:23,237 Because I can't fucking use it. 498 00:23:23,337 --> 00:23:25,640 I can't use any of this shit, Dustin. 499 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:27,875 Because Pace didn't start as the director, 500 00:23:27,975 --> 00:23:30,011 he didn't get to choose the cast. 501 00:23:30,111 --> 00:23:34,015 But the one person he did get was Ava Bergman. 502 00:23:35,683 --> 00:23:37,551 I ain't afraid of dying. 503 00:23:37,652 --> 00:23:39,520 I already done it. 504 00:23:42,523 --> 00:23:44,892 Ava was Pace's muse. 505 00:23:44,992 --> 00:23:48,062 The whole movie, the whole concept of the movie was her. 506 00:23:48,162 --> 00:23:52,600 I don't want to say that I wrote the role for her 507 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,903 because I don't write roles for actors. 508 00:23:56,003 --> 00:23:59,507 I am, I am haunted by a character. 509 00:23:59,607 --> 00:24:02,410 They live inside my, my brain. 510 00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:04,011 Uh, they destroy my life. 511 00:24:04,111 --> 00:24:08,950 And then to prevent suicide, I write them onto a paper. 512 00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:13,154 And when I finished with this, with this woman, 513 00:24:13,254 --> 00:24:14,355 uh, she was Ava. 514 00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:15,656 Talk to me. What do you need? 515 00:24:15,756 --> 00:24:18,092 Uh, I'm just not sure that I... 516 00:24:18,192 --> 00:24:20,161 -What? -Okay. Um-- 517 00:24:20,261 --> 00:24:21,329 You're not sure that what? 518 00:24:21,429 --> 00:24:24,765 That I really understand, uh, the character at this point. 519 00:24:24,865 --> 00:24:27,268 You are the character. What is there to understand? 520 00:24:27,368 --> 00:24:28,803 She was his Scarlet Empress. 521 00:24:28,903 --> 00:24:33,674 She was his Marlene Dietrich to Josef von Sternberg. 522 00:24:33,774 --> 00:24:36,243 If von Sternberg had lost Dietrich, 523 00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:37,979 this would have been a big hole 524 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:39,146 in the history of cinema 525 00:24:39,246 --> 00:24:42,482 uh, and some images that were amazing and shocking. 526 00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:46,587 I think it was a real blow, um, to Pace 527 00:24:46,687 --> 00:24:47,788 uh, when this happened. 528 00:24:47,888 --> 00:24:51,325 And I think that it turned him 529 00:24:51,425 --> 00:24:53,995 into a dissident toward his own movie, 530 00:24:54,095 --> 00:24:55,162 which was Dissident. 531 00:24:55,262 --> 00:24:56,864 Quit ripping the film out of the fucking camera! 532 00:24:56,964 --> 00:24:58,566 What are you going to use it for, Tedd? 533 00:24:58,666 --> 00:24:59,767 Quit ripping the fuckin' film! 534 00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:01,602 What do you want me to do with it, Tedd? 535 00:25:01,702 --> 00:25:02,970 At least look at the dailies, motherfucker! 536 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:04,839 I don't need to see the dailies! I do all the scenes, Tedd! 537 00:25:04,939 --> 00:25:07,675 People think Pace's issues started with Barbera, 538 00:25:07,775 --> 00:25:09,343 but the fact of the matter is 539 00:25:09,443 --> 00:25:11,879 it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Ava, either. 540 00:25:11,979 --> 00:25:15,049 Pace was in pursuit of perfection. 541 00:25:15,149 --> 00:25:18,352 And from what I saw, Ava couldn't give it to him. 542 00:25:18,452 --> 00:25:19,787 -I think we can drill down... -Okay. 543 00:25:19,887 --> 00:25:21,288 ...and start doing something interesting. 544 00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:24,458 I need, I need, I need somebody, I need somebody to literally, 545 00:25:24,558 --> 00:25:25,793 like, call my therapist 546 00:25:25,893 --> 00:25:27,561 because, like, she knows that when I'm stressed out, 547 00:25:27,661 --> 00:25:28,929 like, I need, like, a breathing exercise... 548 00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:31,298 I think you need to act when you're stressed out. 549 00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:32,700 I think you need to let it go. 550 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,868 No, I don't think that I should. 551 00:25:33,968 --> 00:25:35,369 This is beautiful, but you gotta let it out. 552 00:25:35,469 --> 00:25:39,740 From my research, Pace never had an issue with her acting. 553 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,176 He had an issue with her boyfriend, 554 00:25:42,276 --> 00:25:44,045 a man who many people say 555 00:25:44,145 --> 00:25:46,380 is the greatest actor of all time. 556 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,617 Our next suspect, Lawrence Hughes. 557 00:25:50,718 --> 00:25:53,587 Welcome to the picture show! 558 00:25:56,057 --> 00:25:59,226 Lawrence is a unique suspect for three reasons. 559 00:25:59,326 --> 00:26:02,963 Number one, he was not in the film, Dissident. 560 00:26:03,064 --> 00:26:05,566 Two, I was not able to interview him 561 00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:08,903 while at the FBI or for this documentary. 562 00:26:09,203 --> 00:26:12,106 And, finally, the day before Ava's murder, 563 00:26:12,206 --> 00:26:15,943 he disappeared and has not been seen since. 564 00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:18,212 So to understand Lawrence, 565 00:26:18,312 --> 00:26:21,582 let's start with his relationship with Pace. 566 00:26:22,183 --> 00:26:24,285 The only way to describe Lawrence and Pace 567 00:26:24,385 --> 00:26:26,120 is the same type of relationship 568 00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:28,456 that Werner Herzog had with Klaus Kinski. 569 00:26:28,557 --> 00:26:31,058 Herzog and Kinski were at each other's throats all the time. 570 00:26:31,158 --> 00:26:33,694 They fought constantly. They pulled guns on each other. 571 00:26:33,794 --> 00:26:35,229 They threatened to kill each other, 572 00:26:35,329 --> 00:26:36,730 walk off movies, et cetera. 573 00:26:36,831 --> 00:26:41,902 But they made five films together between 1972 and '87. 574 00:26:42,002 --> 00:26:44,171 And they were good, good movies. 575 00:26:44,271 --> 00:26:46,707 Lawrence and Pace made The Last Great Actor, 576 00:26:46,807 --> 00:26:48,476 which some people consider 577 00:26:48,577 --> 00:26:51,546 to be the greatest film ever made. 578 00:26:51,846 --> 00:26:54,815 And often compared to Citizen Kane. 579 00:26:54,915 --> 00:26:58,052 But the truth is, without Lawrence's star power, 580 00:26:58,152 --> 00:27:00,054 there wouldn't have been a film. 581 00:27:00,154 --> 00:27:03,891 And without that film, there would be no Pace. 582 00:27:04,291 --> 00:27:06,994 Reality is that movie wouldn't have been made without him. 583 00:27:07,094 --> 00:27:08,629 I was nobody. 584 00:27:08,729 --> 00:27:11,298 And he took a massive risk by signing on to it. 585 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,034 And despite everything that's happened between us since, 586 00:27:14,135 --> 00:27:16,203 I will always be grateful to him for that. 587 00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:19,673 When Lawrence signed on to do The Last Great Actor, 588 00:27:19,773 --> 00:27:21,041 I was shocked. 589 00:27:21,142 --> 00:27:26,046 Um, he had not done a movie that small in a long time. 590 00:27:26,147 --> 00:27:28,382 Lawrence is great in every movie he does. 591 00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:32,853 But in this one, he delivered the performance of a lifetime. 592 00:27:33,154 --> 00:27:36,790 When I was a kid, you know, I had this little bunk bed. 593 00:27:36,891 --> 00:27:40,394 And my, uh, my brother would sleep underneath me. 594 00:27:42,196 --> 00:27:44,165 So I climbed down one night. I couldn't sleep. 595 00:27:44,265 --> 00:27:45,799 I was thinking about scary stuff, you know? 596 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:51,105 And, uh, there's this little sculpture of a rattlesnake. 597 00:27:51,205 --> 00:27:53,674 It was my dad's favorite, favorite sculpture. 598 00:27:53,774 --> 00:27:56,443 He got it in Arizona. I don't know. 599 00:27:56,911 --> 00:27:58,679 I wanted to see it. I wanted to play with it. 600 00:27:58,779 --> 00:28:01,215 So I grabbed it down and I looked at it. 601 00:28:01,315 --> 00:28:04,553 And all of a sudden, it slipped from my hands 602 00:28:04,653 --> 00:28:07,154 and just shattered into a million pieces. 603 00:28:09,423 --> 00:28:11,325 All of a sudden, my... 604 00:28:11,626 --> 00:28:13,194 My dad flings open the door 605 00:28:13,294 --> 00:28:16,631 and he makes his face just like this. 606 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:18,699 And his hands got so big! 607 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,802 And then he started wailing on me and my brother! 608 00:28:21,902 --> 00:28:24,371 Just beating the living piss out of us! 609 00:28:24,471 --> 00:28:26,874 And my brother's in the corner of the bed just, 610 00:28:26,974 --> 00:28:30,945 "Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! 611 00:28:32,012 --> 00:28:33,948 No!" 612 00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:37,384 And then my dad just shuts the door and he leaves! 613 00:28:38,719 --> 00:28:40,921 And there's my brother, Luke, 614 00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:45,226 and he's in the corner, and he's just like, "Why? 615 00:28:45,326 --> 00:28:47,394 "Why would he do that? 616 00:28:47,494 --> 00:28:50,097 "Why would he come in in the middle of the night 617 00:28:50,197 --> 00:28:52,733 and just beat the shit out of us?" 618 00:28:52,833 --> 00:28:55,469 And I knew why, because I was fucking around, 619 00:28:55,570 --> 00:28:57,271 but he never knew. 620 00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:01,710 I never told him. 621 00:29:02,009 --> 00:29:04,646 Even to this day, 622 00:29:04,745 --> 00:29:06,247 I've never told him. 623 00:29:09,116 --> 00:29:10,784 Some people say that is the greatest scene 624 00:29:10,884 --> 00:29:12,253 in film history. 625 00:29:12,353 --> 00:29:14,121 Their words, not mine. 626 00:29:14,589 --> 00:29:17,525 I have written the greatest scene in film history. 627 00:29:17,626 --> 00:29:19,260 But it's not that one. 628 00:29:20,494 --> 00:29:21,696 After The Last Great Actor, 629 00:29:21,795 --> 00:29:23,931 everyone thought that Lawrence and Pace 630 00:29:24,031 --> 00:29:27,301 were, you know, the next Scorsese and De Niro. 631 00:29:27,401 --> 00:29:29,470 They made the film for $1 million 632 00:29:29,571 --> 00:29:32,940 and it grossed $120 million. 633 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,176 Despite the success of the film, both men swore 634 00:29:36,277 --> 00:29:38,580 that they would never work together again. 635 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,849 In fact, no one who has ever worked with Lawrence 636 00:29:41,949 --> 00:29:44,151 will work with him a second time. 637 00:29:44,251 --> 00:29:46,655 And it's not because people hate him. 638 00:29:46,755 --> 00:29:49,123 It's because they are scared of him. 639 00:29:49,223 --> 00:29:52,259 Lawrence's talent is his biggest enemy. 640 00:29:53,994 --> 00:29:56,096 I mean, about what anybody else knows about him, 641 00:29:56,196 --> 00:29:59,800 he's probably the most talented actor that's ever existed. 642 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,935 This guy's dedication to his craft 643 00:30:02,036 --> 00:30:04,338 and to the arts is second to none. 644 00:30:04,438 --> 00:30:06,373 Lawrence is dedicated to performance. 645 00:30:06,473 --> 00:30:08,643 Man, if there's one guy I've always been looking up to, 646 00:30:08,743 --> 00:30:09,977 it's him. 647 00:30:10,077 --> 00:30:13,280 I discovered Lawrence when he was nine years old. 648 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:15,517 Sometimes, I wish I really didn't 649 00:30:15,617 --> 00:30:18,653 because he never had a chance to live a normal life. 650 00:30:18,753 --> 00:30:20,354 And I feel guilty because of that. 651 00:30:20,454 --> 00:30:23,525 Yeah, I think he had unrealistic expectations 652 00:30:23,625 --> 00:30:25,326 put on him from an early age. 653 00:30:25,426 --> 00:30:28,128 And although he fulfilled them with talent, 654 00:30:28,228 --> 00:30:31,566 in his own body, he never felt like himself. 655 00:30:32,066 --> 00:30:34,168 Why is Lawrence a great actor? 656 00:30:34,268 --> 00:30:36,937 Uh, is it because he wins many awards? 657 00:30:37,037 --> 00:30:39,340 Is it because he commits himself 658 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,942 to the roles to the detriment of himself 659 00:30:42,042 --> 00:30:44,713 and to everyone around him? No, no, no, no. 660 00:30:44,813 --> 00:30:46,614 The hardest thing for any actor to do 661 00:30:46,715 --> 00:30:48,148 is to lose themselves, 662 00:30:48,248 --> 00:30:51,085 to give up their own humanity in place of the characters. 663 00:30:51,185 --> 00:30:54,922 Lawrence is great because he has no self to lose. 664 00:30:55,022 --> 00:30:57,391 Lawrence is not a human being. 665 00:30:57,491 --> 00:30:58,693 He is an empty shell. 666 00:30:58,793 --> 00:31:00,662 Regardless of what you see on screen, 667 00:31:00,762 --> 00:31:03,163 he is simply not there. 668 00:31:03,263 --> 00:31:07,134 Which is why he's able to do anything once the camera rolls. 669 00:31:07,234 --> 00:31:11,271 The second you call cut, the man is a disaster. 670 00:31:11,372 --> 00:31:13,907 Do you have any idea who the killer might be? 671 00:31:14,007 --> 00:31:19,079 Oh. If I had to pick a guy, 672 00:31:19,179 --> 00:31:21,148 I think it's Lawrence. 673 00:31:21,248 --> 00:31:23,350 Lawrence is one of these guys that, 674 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:24,918 I don't know what they call 'em, 675 00:31:25,018 --> 00:31:27,689 but he'd get into a role and he'd stay in that role 676 00:31:27,789 --> 00:31:29,089 through the whole movie. 677 00:31:29,189 --> 00:31:30,891 I mean, whether he was in our car 678 00:31:30,991 --> 00:31:32,694 or ordering a hamburger at McDonald's, 679 00:31:32,794 --> 00:31:34,061 he'd stay in that role. 680 00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:36,831 I mean, it's a little weird when he does that. 681 00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:38,566 So, you know, when he goes home 682 00:31:38,666 --> 00:31:41,301 after playing Neil Armstrong, I think he's thinking 683 00:31:41,402 --> 00:31:43,203 he's home, walking on the moon. 684 00:31:43,303 --> 00:31:46,907 And when he goes home as a crazed murderer, 685 00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,010 he might be a crazed murderer. 686 00:31:50,978 --> 00:31:52,547 Working with Lawrence Hughes 687 00:31:52,647 --> 00:31:54,948 on Justice Explosion was one of the most 688 00:31:55,048 --> 00:31:57,819 rewarding experiences of my entire career. 689 00:31:57,918 --> 00:31:59,453 I often tell people, 690 00:31:59,554 --> 00:32:02,923 Lawrence is, is like a wild Mustang. 691 00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:04,958 The good part of that is one 692 00:32:05,058 --> 00:32:08,061 of the most beautiful sights you'll ever see. 693 00:32:08,162 --> 00:32:11,866 The bad side, you try to ride him, 694 00:32:12,132 --> 00:32:13,267 you'll get bucked from the saddle 695 00:32:13,367 --> 00:32:15,102 and he'll trample you to death. 696 00:32:15,202 --> 00:32:17,938 No one dedicates themselves more than Lawrence. 697 00:32:18,205 --> 00:32:20,474 On Justice Explosion, he started to lose it. 698 00:32:20,575 --> 00:32:22,242 We got calls from the cast and crew 699 00:32:22,342 --> 00:32:25,814 saying he scared someone or made someone cry every day. 700 00:32:25,914 --> 00:32:28,449 This is the reason I think people believe that Lawrence 701 00:32:28,550 --> 00:32:29,818 is The Hollywood Killer. 702 00:32:29,918 --> 00:32:33,788 I mean, he had been in over 30 films 703 00:32:33,888 --> 00:32:36,056 where he'd had to do serious stunts. 704 00:32:36,156 --> 00:32:37,926 I mean, he has a background in wrestling, 705 00:32:38,025 --> 00:32:40,227 boxing, jujitsu, wire work. 706 00:32:40,327 --> 00:32:44,331 It's really impressive, his, like, physical ability. 707 00:32:44,431 --> 00:32:45,600 And... 708 00:32:47,569 --> 00:32:50,337 he might have been the only one who was capable 709 00:32:50,437 --> 00:32:53,006 of committing some of these crimes. 710 00:32:53,106 --> 00:32:55,175 He's certainly got what it takes. 711 00:32:55,275 --> 00:32:57,779 Close, intimate relationship. 712 00:32:57,879 --> 00:33:00,949 Uh, disappeared after the murder. 713 00:33:01,181 --> 00:33:04,284 Plays a lot of unhinged characters. 714 00:33:04,686 --> 00:33:06,788 Known for not ever breaking character, 715 00:33:06,888 --> 00:33:08,556 even when the film is long gone. 716 00:33:08,656 --> 00:33:11,225 So he's living split personality day to day. 717 00:33:11,325 --> 00:33:13,460 And in some ways, I really admire that. 718 00:33:13,561 --> 00:33:15,530 Aside from his connection to Pace, 719 00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:19,199 Lawrence was also connected to Dissident in another way, 720 00:33:19,299 --> 00:33:22,069 through his relationship with Ava. 721 00:33:22,469 --> 00:33:25,138 Ava and Lawrence were together on and off for three years. 722 00:33:25,239 --> 00:33:27,107 But during production of Dissident, 723 00:33:27,207 --> 00:33:29,376 Ava ended things with him for good. 724 00:33:29,476 --> 00:33:33,380 And this sent Lawrence into a downward spiral. 725 00:33:33,681 --> 00:33:36,951 Despite a restraining order, Lawrence kept showing up 726 00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:38,252 anywhere she was, 727 00:33:38,352 --> 00:33:41,121 and even showed up on the set of Dissident. 728 00:33:41,221 --> 00:33:42,289 -Hi. -Hi, how you doing? 729 00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:44,191 -Hey... Dustin. -Lawrence. Nice to meet you. 730 00:33:44,291 --> 00:33:45,927 -How are you? -Damn good. 731 00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:47,461 -Hi. Hi, how are you? -Hi. 732 00:33:47,562 --> 00:33:49,531 No, no, let's try it again, okay? 733 00:33:49,631 --> 00:33:53,001 Obviously, this did not go over well with Pace. 734 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,234 - Larry Hughes? - Hey. 735 00:33:54,334 --> 00:33:56,103 My old fucking friend. How you doing? 736 00:33:56,203 --> 00:33:57,539 -Hey-- -Fucking come onto my set! 737 00:33:57,639 --> 00:33:59,774 You come onto my fucking set! Yeah? 738 00:33:59,874 --> 00:34:02,844 After this, Lawrence was banned from the set, 739 00:34:02,944 --> 00:34:05,312 which made him even more crazy. 740 00:34:05,713 --> 00:34:09,216 Me and my dad both begged Lawrence to stop showing up, 741 00:34:09,316 --> 00:34:12,185 but he just snapped. 742 00:34:12,554 --> 00:34:14,556 He would do anything to try and see her. 743 00:34:14,656 --> 00:34:16,591 Everyone needs to stay put. Larry's here. 744 00:34:16,691 --> 00:34:17,892 He's going crazy outside, 745 00:34:17,992 --> 00:34:19,226 and I got Ava locked in the trailer. 746 00:34:19,326 --> 00:34:20,427 So we just need to sort of, 747 00:34:20,528 --> 00:34:23,898 you know, shelter in place until, um, he's done 748 00:34:23,998 --> 00:34:25,365 with whatever rant he's going on. 749 00:34:25,465 --> 00:34:28,002 He kept calling me and trying to figure out 750 00:34:28,101 --> 00:34:29,771 when Ava was on a break 751 00:34:29,871 --> 00:34:33,007 and when she was stepping out for lunch or something. 752 00:34:33,106 --> 00:34:35,043 I had to stop answering his calls 753 00:34:35,142 --> 00:34:37,344 'cause he was just... freaking crazy. 754 00:34:37,444 --> 00:34:40,882 And production had security guards on the perimeter. 755 00:34:40,982 --> 00:34:43,183 He could not get anywhere near. 756 00:34:43,283 --> 00:34:45,118 -It got crazy. -He's obsessed. 757 00:34:45,218 --> 00:34:46,554 -No. -It's not healthy. 758 00:34:46,654 --> 00:34:49,156 -It's absolutely bizarre. -That's crazy. You know what? 759 00:34:49,256 --> 00:34:51,659 I'm going to keep my eyes open because that is insane, 760 00:34:51,759 --> 00:34:53,928 and I want you to be comfortable at all times on this set. 761 00:34:54,028 --> 00:34:55,295 -Thank you. Thank you. -I'm serious. 762 00:34:55,395 --> 00:34:56,998 We've been knowing each other for too long. 763 00:34:57,097 --> 00:34:58,398 Thank you. You're sweet. 764 00:34:58,498 --> 00:35:00,467 But if you, um, do you find me, like, in a vat of oil 765 00:35:00,568 --> 00:35:02,202 or, like, dismembered in the valley, 766 00:35:02,302 --> 00:35:05,640 like, just, you know, probably him. 767 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:07,075 Ava was over it. 768 00:35:07,174 --> 00:35:08,776 She didn't want to talk to Lawrence anymore, 769 00:35:08,876 --> 00:35:10,310 and he knew that. 770 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,014 I mean, I remember her telling me that, 771 00:35:13,113 --> 00:35:15,248 uh, she was terrified of him. 772 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:17,217 But he kept calling. 773 00:35:17,317 --> 00:35:18,620 Please calm down and listen to me! 774 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,120 - I am listening! - Please. 775 00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:21,388 You need to make a choice. 776 00:35:21,488 --> 00:35:23,256 It's either me or the film. 777 00:35:23,357 --> 00:35:25,258 No, I'm always going to choose the film! 778 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,494 You'll regret this! Mark my words! 779 00:35:27,595 --> 00:35:29,797 -You'll regret this! -Babe-- 780 00:35:29,897 --> 00:35:31,699 Okay, okay, okay, okay. And now what do we do? 781 00:35:31,799 --> 00:35:34,301 We go to the thing, and we block the number, right? 782 00:35:34,401 --> 00:35:36,336 Give me the finger. There we go. 783 00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:37,772 We hit that. There we go. 784 00:35:37,872 --> 00:35:40,374 -And now where do we have block? -You have to scroll down. 785 00:35:40,474 --> 00:35:42,376 We scroll down. Okay, okay. 786 00:35:42,476 --> 00:35:44,045 And now we blocked him. Look at that. 787 00:35:45,445 --> 00:35:46,814 And now we don't have to worry about it ever again. 788 00:35:46,914 --> 00:35:48,816 These calls were scary. 789 00:35:48,916 --> 00:35:50,417 I mean, he would call all of us 790 00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:54,221 and just yell over and over to get Ava to pick up the phone. 791 00:35:54,321 --> 00:35:55,422 And I'll tell you this. 792 00:35:55,523 --> 00:35:57,424 Every call was worse than the last. 793 00:35:57,525 --> 00:35:59,426 I'm going to destroy this film, 794 00:35:59,527 --> 00:36:01,562 and I'm going to destroy you! Okay? 795 00:36:01,663 --> 00:36:05,232 And if I, if Ava isn't on a fucking plane in 30 minutes, 796 00:36:05,332 --> 00:36:06,534 I'm going to come to that set 797 00:36:06,634 --> 00:36:08,970 and drag her off by her fucking hair! 798 00:36:09,070 --> 00:36:12,372 There are a few reasons why this clip is so important. 799 00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:16,911 One being that Lawrence says, "I will destroy this film," 800 00:36:17,011 --> 00:36:20,715 which is a theory as to why he murdered the other girls. 801 00:36:20,815 --> 00:36:24,184 The second is because this was the last call 802 00:36:24,284 --> 00:36:26,754 ever made from Lawrence's phone 803 00:36:26,854 --> 00:36:30,158 and the last time anyone heard from him. 804 00:36:30,424 --> 00:36:34,194 Ava Bergman was murdered the following day. 805 00:36:37,832 --> 00:36:42,837 Help-- Help me! 806 00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:47,340 Help! No! Please! 807 00:36:47,441 --> 00:36:50,444 Please! Help me! No! 808 00:37:08,696 --> 00:37:10,832 That's the problem these days. 809 00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:15,435 We want to show everything and be grisly. 810 00:37:16,738 --> 00:37:17,872 Detail. 811 00:37:19,272 --> 00:37:21,909 The idea that this, this fucker 812 00:37:22,009 --> 00:37:26,413 was holding a phone while he's attempting to... 813 00:37:30,818 --> 00:37:32,385 Hm. 814 00:37:32,653 --> 00:37:34,488 This is the world we live in. 815 00:37:35,523 --> 00:37:37,658 It's really fucking dark. 816 00:37:38,059 --> 00:37:41,162 The initial investigation by the LAPD 817 00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:43,564 uncovered no physical evidence. 818 00:37:43,664 --> 00:37:47,201 But none of that mattered, because everyone was convinced 819 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:48,803 it was Lawrence Hughes. 820 00:37:48,903 --> 00:37:51,471 And even with an international search, 821 00:37:51,572 --> 00:37:53,306 no one could find him. 822 00:37:53,406 --> 00:37:56,409 His whereabouts remain unknown. 823 00:37:56,677 --> 00:37:59,647 Despite this tragedy, shooting for Dissident 824 00:37:59,747 --> 00:38:03,050 resumed 24 hours later with a new actress. 825 00:38:03,151 --> 00:38:06,254 After losing a lead actress in such a horrible way, 826 00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:09,223 most producers would cut their losses 827 00:38:09,322 --> 00:38:11,192 and shut down the film. 828 00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:13,426 Tedd is not most producers. 829 00:38:13,528 --> 00:38:15,797 Now let's meet our third suspect, 830 00:38:15,897 --> 00:38:18,132 Tedd Mankiewicz. 831 00:38:18,566 --> 00:38:20,835 Like, Jesus Christ, can I get a fluffer here? 832 00:38:20,935 --> 00:38:23,436 I'm spritzin' everywhere. It's actually not even cold. 833 00:38:23,538 --> 00:38:26,174 I just, like, have to wait on my nuts. 834 00:38:26,274 --> 00:38:27,809 Got fucking drool coming out of my mouth. 835 00:38:27,909 --> 00:38:31,212 I got ball sweat. Feel like I've lost 10 pounds. 836 00:38:31,311 --> 00:38:32,647 You're like, "Did you fuck Barb?" 837 00:38:32,747 --> 00:38:34,849 And I go, "Oh, I fucked her to death, 838 00:38:34,949 --> 00:38:36,851 but I didn't kill her." 839 00:38:37,151 --> 00:38:39,687 First, let's start by understanding who Tedd is. 840 00:38:39,787 --> 00:38:41,255 Not only is he one of the most 841 00:38:41,388 --> 00:38:43,090 powerful people in Hollywood, 842 00:38:43,191 --> 00:38:46,426 he represented all three of the women that were murdered. 843 00:38:46,527 --> 00:38:49,864 The one who survived, two of the suspects, 844 00:38:49,964 --> 00:38:54,501 was a suspect himself, and was having an affair 845 00:38:54,602 --> 00:38:57,605 with Barbera Ball at the time of her death, 846 00:38:57,705 --> 00:39:01,408 something that his wife was very upset about. 847 00:39:01,509 --> 00:39:03,511 All roads lead back to Tedd, okay? 848 00:39:03,611 --> 00:39:06,647 He got John into producing. He got Lawrence into acting. 849 00:39:06,747 --> 00:39:10,417 Produced Pace's first film. Made Melvin a movie star. 850 00:39:10,518 --> 00:39:11,919 Shared a lover with Dustin. 851 00:39:12,019 --> 00:39:15,323 And he's thanked more than God at the Oscars. 852 00:39:15,690 --> 00:39:17,925 I've got a soft spot for Tedd. 853 00:39:18,259 --> 00:39:20,027 He's the best manager of all time. 854 00:39:20,127 --> 00:39:21,963 But I understand that Tedd has made some enemies 855 00:39:22,063 --> 00:39:22,997 in this business. 856 00:39:23,097 --> 00:39:24,532 A lot of people hate him, 857 00:39:24,632 --> 00:39:27,802 and Pace may be at the top of that list. 858 00:39:27,902 --> 00:39:33,440 The devil never convinced the world that he did not exist. 859 00:39:33,541 --> 00:39:35,910 No. The devil exists. 860 00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:38,045 Tedd Mankiewicz exists. 861 00:39:38,145 --> 00:39:39,680 The man is real. 862 00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:43,184 And he's out there, and you all sit back and go, 863 00:39:43,284 --> 00:39:45,253 "I don't know. I don't know. 864 00:39:45,353 --> 00:39:48,055 Is evil real? Is darkness real?" 865 00:39:48,155 --> 00:39:50,658 Look in the fucking mirror. 866 00:39:52,492 --> 00:39:54,562 I know that a lot of people talk shit about Tedd 867 00:39:54,662 --> 00:39:56,097 -Mm-hmm. -I totally get that. 868 00:39:56,197 --> 00:40:01,802 But for me, it's like, I know that he would legit kill for me. 869 00:40:01,903 --> 00:40:04,071 I've never killed anyone for a client. 870 00:40:04,171 --> 00:40:07,909 But I would, and that's why they fucking signed with me. 871 00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:09,944 During my investigation into Tedd, 872 00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:15,316 I found that he would normally do one set visit on his movies. 873 00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:20,187 On Dissident, he visited set four times a week. 874 00:40:20,288 --> 00:40:21,722 Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen, 875 00:40:21,822 --> 00:40:23,591 can we get a round of applause here? 876 00:40:23,691 --> 00:40:24,792 You understand what's happening? 877 00:40:24,892 --> 00:40:26,661 Yeah, the Antichrist has returned. 878 00:40:26,761 --> 00:40:28,229 All right? So that means we rejoice. 879 00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:29,764 What do producers do? 880 00:40:29,864 --> 00:40:33,301 They are supposed to put together the elements 881 00:40:33,401 --> 00:40:35,503 that lead you to making the film. 882 00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:38,205 Why would that entitle them 883 00:40:38,306 --> 00:40:40,741 to be on the set once it's begun? 884 00:40:42,076 --> 00:40:44,245 Their job is prologue. 885 00:40:44,345 --> 00:40:45,813 They are the preamble. 886 00:40:45,913 --> 00:40:49,350 They are the Greek chorus before the play begins. 887 00:40:49,449 --> 00:40:52,720 Once the story starts, fuck off. 888 00:40:53,955 --> 00:40:57,191 The moment Tedd Mankiewicz arrives on set, 889 00:40:58,192 --> 00:41:00,294 whole energy shifts. 890 00:41:00,394 --> 00:41:02,730 The luckiest day of your life is when you met me. 891 00:41:02,830 --> 00:41:03,931 What are you talking about? 892 00:41:04,031 --> 00:41:05,498 Everyone says you suck now, 893 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,234 and this movie will never be 894 00:41:07,335 --> 00:41:08,536 as good as The Last Great Actor. 895 00:41:08,636 --> 00:41:09,637 This movie will never be 896 00:41:09,737 --> 00:41:11,105 as good as The Last Great Actor? 897 00:41:11,205 --> 00:41:12,340 Yeah, totally. 898 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,607 You think maybe that's because you're standing 899 00:41:13,708 --> 00:41:14,809 in the middle of my fucking shot? 900 00:41:14,909 --> 00:41:16,143 And if that wasn't bad enough, 901 00:41:16,243 --> 00:41:18,245 the motherfucker would walk in and show you 902 00:41:18,346 --> 00:41:20,047 how to do your scene. 903 00:41:22,149 --> 00:41:23,818 This is how you cock a gun. 904 00:41:23,918 --> 00:41:26,087 There's two things you need to be able to do 905 00:41:26,187 --> 00:41:27,388 to be a movie star. 906 00:41:27,487 --> 00:41:28,956 Kiss the girl... 907 00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:32,026 and fire a gun. 908 00:41:32,126 --> 00:41:35,162 -And you can't do either. -Just don't overthink it. 909 00:41:35,262 --> 00:41:37,431 Acting is so fucking easy. 910 00:41:37,531 --> 00:41:38,733 Most of the time, these people 911 00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,068 just get so caught up in their own heads. 912 00:41:41,168 --> 00:41:42,203 They're lazy. 913 00:41:42,303 --> 00:41:45,006 Most of them don't have talent to begin with. 914 00:41:45,106 --> 00:41:47,074 So I show up and I show them what to do. 915 00:41:47,174 --> 00:41:50,378 I don't know why so many people get offended by this. 916 00:41:50,478 --> 00:41:52,113 Do you think Reese Witherspoon blinks? 917 00:41:52,213 --> 00:41:52,980 No. 918 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,615 Do you think Nicole Kidman blinks? 919 00:41:54,715 --> 00:41:56,917 -No. -Then why would you blink? 920 00:41:57,485 --> 00:41:58,652 I don't know. 921 00:41:58,753 --> 00:42:00,321 Give me more Meryl Streep. 922 00:42:00,421 --> 00:42:01,756 Okay. 923 00:42:01,856 --> 00:42:04,091 Look at the camera and don't blink. 924 00:42:05,793 --> 00:42:07,094 Tedd was like a steamroller. 925 00:42:07,194 --> 00:42:09,964 He'd come in there and intimidate everybody. 926 00:42:16,337 --> 00:42:19,707 Yeah, every so often, I would go up to Ivan and say, 927 00:42:19,807 --> 00:42:21,942 "You sure you want me to keep this camera rolling?" 928 00:42:22,043 --> 00:42:24,445 I mean, some of the circumstances 929 00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:26,580 were a little sketchy. 930 00:42:26,881 --> 00:42:28,816 Tedd Mankiewicz was a fucking animal. 931 00:42:28,916 --> 00:42:30,584 Did he know what he was doing? Sure. 932 00:42:30,684 --> 00:42:32,486 Yes, okay. Was he very good at his job? 933 00:42:32,586 --> 00:42:36,057 Also, yes. The man was a fucking animal. 934 00:42:36,157 --> 00:42:38,893 To understand why Tedd is a suspect, 935 00:42:38,993 --> 00:42:41,629 we have to talk about Barbera Ball, 936 00:42:41,729 --> 00:42:43,564 the second murder victim, 937 00:42:43,664 --> 00:42:46,267 and how she ended up in Dissident. 938 00:42:46,367 --> 00:42:50,438 Barbera made a name for herself when she was cast in Breathe 939 00:42:50,539 --> 00:42:52,673 alongside Lawrence Hughes. 940 00:43:00,147 --> 00:43:03,050 I believe I went to school with that chap. 941 00:43:10,324 --> 00:43:12,159 Should I go approach him? 942 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,061 Oui. 943 00:43:14,161 --> 00:43:15,963 Your French isn't that good anymore. 944 00:43:16,063 --> 00:43:19,967 -I think you need some practice. -Good enough. 945 00:43:20,067 --> 00:43:21,536 Whatever you say. 946 00:43:21,635 --> 00:43:23,137 On y va. 947 00:43:25,072 --> 00:43:27,875 Every actress in the world wanted that role. 948 00:43:28,242 --> 00:43:31,078 But my dad made sure that Barbera got it. 949 00:43:31,445 --> 00:43:35,249 After the success of Breathe, Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident 950 00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:37,818 without ever talking to Pace about it. 951 00:43:37,918 --> 00:43:39,420 Pace is quoted as saying 952 00:43:39,521 --> 00:43:42,890 he hated Barbera Ball more than his own mother, 953 00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:45,159 who abandoned him as a child. 954 00:43:48,129 --> 00:43:50,431 Barbera, am I looking at the monitor? 955 00:43:50,532 --> 00:43:51,699 I can't, I can't tell. 956 00:43:51,799 --> 00:43:53,067 There's four cameras on this fucking scene. 957 00:43:53,167 --> 00:43:54,969 One of them can probably see it. I can't see it. 958 00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:56,770 I'm not watching the camera. I'm watching you. 959 00:43:56,871 --> 00:43:58,439 I'm watching your reaction. You know what I see? 960 00:43:58,540 --> 00:43:59,807 -What? -I see fear. 961 00:43:59,907 --> 00:44:00,841 Why do I see fear? 962 00:44:00,941 --> 00:44:02,309 This gun has got no bullets in it. 963 00:44:02,409 --> 00:44:03,578 It's not even a real gun. 964 00:44:03,677 --> 00:44:04,745 I mean, let me show you something, Barbera. 965 00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:06,447 You see this? All right? This is my fucking gun. 966 00:44:06,548 --> 00:44:09,683 This shit's loaded. Am I afraid? No! 967 00:44:09,783 --> 00:44:13,487 You wanted Barbera taken out of the film. 968 00:44:13,787 --> 00:44:14,822 -Why? -Absolutely. 969 00:44:14,922 --> 00:44:17,158 Uh, because she's not very good. 970 00:44:17,258 --> 00:44:20,861 So, uh, once she was forced upon me, 971 00:44:20,961 --> 00:44:22,696 I did what anyone does 972 00:44:22,796 --> 00:44:24,999 when they are put in a compromising situation 973 00:44:25,099 --> 00:44:26,367 that they did not ask to be in. 974 00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:29,403 They try to get out. And that's what I did. 975 00:44:29,504 --> 00:44:31,739 -How much does she want this? -A lot more than this film. 976 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,274 Okay, so then why is she here? 977 00:44:33,374 --> 00:44:36,243 Wouldn't you rather spend it on the film rather than her? 978 00:44:36,343 --> 00:44:37,211 Think about it. 979 00:44:37,311 --> 00:44:38,613 Oh, you hadn't even thought about that. 980 00:44:38,712 --> 00:44:40,214 We could get someone who was more talented 981 00:44:40,314 --> 00:44:41,048 and less expensive. 982 00:44:41,148 --> 00:44:42,617 There isn't somebody more talented. 983 00:44:42,716 --> 00:44:43,984 You don't think there's anyone more talented? 984 00:44:44,084 --> 00:44:45,452 -No, I don't. -Oh, my God. 985 00:44:45,554 --> 00:44:47,622 The myopic... Jesus. 986 00:44:47,721 --> 00:44:49,524 This is a normal occurrence. 987 00:44:49,624 --> 00:44:51,692 I had to go to set every day 988 00:44:51,792 --> 00:44:53,628 to make sure Barbera stayed in the film. 989 00:44:53,727 --> 00:44:55,229 Your female lead is out of frame. 990 00:44:55,329 --> 00:44:56,397 Yes, I know, I know. 991 00:44:56,497 --> 00:44:57,965 This is how we're going to do the movie now, okay? 992 00:44:58,065 --> 00:44:59,534 My dad's going to see the dailies. 993 00:44:59,634 --> 00:45:00,868 What do you think he's gonna say? 994 00:45:00,968 --> 00:45:02,836 I think he's going to whine and bitch like a child. 995 00:45:02,937 --> 00:45:04,673 You're whining and bitching like a child 996 00:45:04,772 --> 00:45:06,073 because you can't have a two-person scene. 997 00:45:06,173 --> 00:45:07,341 Barbera's out of the movie, Effy. 998 00:45:07,441 --> 00:45:08,543 That's not how it works. 999 00:45:08,643 --> 00:45:12,514 Pace needed his North Star for that character. 1000 00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:14,181 And Barbera wasn't it. 1001 00:45:14,281 --> 00:45:17,718 So he was determined to make her life a living hell. 1002 00:45:17,818 --> 00:45:19,220 You're killing me. You're literally killing me. 1003 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,754 -Yes. I'm going to kill you. -Oh, yeah. 1004 00:45:20,854 --> 00:45:22,223 I feel like you're going to kill me. 1005 00:45:22,323 --> 00:45:23,157 I'm working up to it. 1006 00:45:23,257 --> 00:45:24,559 Every single fucking day I come to set, 1007 00:45:24,659 --> 00:45:26,026 I don't know what's going to happen. 1008 00:45:26,126 --> 00:45:28,630 Barbera was living in a constant state of fear. 1009 00:45:28,729 --> 00:45:30,297 But not from being murdered. 1010 00:45:30,397 --> 00:45:33,535 She was more afraid of being fired than dying. 1011 00:45:33,635 --> 00:45:35,402 She would tell me all the time 1012 00:45:35,502 --> 00:45:37,137 how she thought she was going to get fired. 1013 00:45:37,238 --> 00:45:39,940 I mean, I think she said that to me almost every single day. 1014 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,976 And it got to a certain point 1015 00:45:42,076 --> 00:45:43,777 where I thought it was going to happen too. 1016 00:45:43,877 --> 00:45:46,814 I think the fact that she's this bad 1017 00:45:46,914 --> 00:45:48,717 violates the terms of the contract. 1018 00:45:48,816 --> 00:45:50,284 And I think we can get rid of her 1019 00:45:50,384 --> 00:45:52,721 without actually triggering any type of lawsuit. 1020 00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:54,088 She's the star of the fucking movie. 1021 00:45:54,188 --> 00:45:55,690 We've been shooting for three months. 1022 00:45:55,823 --> 00:45:56,725 But not if we fire her. 1023 00:45:56,824 --> 00:45:58,092 She's not coming out of the movie. 1024 00:45:58,192 --> 00:46:00,094 Pace was never a fan of Barbera. 1025 00:46:00,194 --> 00:46:03,797 And he asked me multiple times if we could replace her. 1026 00:46:03,897 --> 00:46:05,432 I need Barbera gone. 1027 00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:08,235 Your father is asking me to sculpt with razor wire. 1028 00:46:08,335 --> 00:46:10,804 I have always respected you, okay? 1029 00:46:10,904 --> 00:46:14,041 I've always respected your artistic vision. 1030 00:46:14,141 --> 00:46:17,077 And I just, I need you to let this one go 1031 00:46:17,177 --> 00:46:20,981 because my dad is never going to fire Barbera. 1032 00:46:21,081 --> 00:46:22,182 -That's it. -Okay, okay. 1033 00:46:22,283 --> 00:46:23,917 Do you think, do you think this is the first time 1034 00:46:24,018 --> 00:46:25,286 I've been told I can't do something 1035 00:46:25,386 --> 00:46:27,354 -or I have to let something go? -I'm letting you know. 1036 00:46:27,454 --> 00:46:29,089 I am a screenwriter, okay? 1037 00:46:29,189 --> 00:46:32,026 I create worlds and I fucking destroy them. 1038 00:46:32,126 --> 00:46:34,094 And if you make me destroy this world, 1039 00:46:34,194 --> 00:46:35,996 I will do it. You understand? 1040 00:46:36,096 --> 00:46:37,632 Then you're not going to have a movie, Pace. 1041 00:46:37,732 --> 00:46:38,932 I don't give a fuck about the movie. 1042 00:46:39,033 --> 00:46:40,834 -I do. -I don't care what you think. 1043 00:46:40,934 --> 00:46:42,537 I care about making art. 1044 00:46:42,637 --> 00:46:46,206 And if she is in this film, it doesn't exist anymore. 1045 00:46:46,307 --> 00:46:48,710 There is no story, there is no beauty, 1046 00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:49,910 there is no art. 1047 00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:51,646 So I may as well burn the fucking thing down. 1048 00:46:51,746 --> 00:46:53,914 -You understand? -Then go ahead. 1049 00:46:54,014 --> 00:46:55,316 -Burn the thing down. -Great. 1050 00:46:55,416 --> 00:46:57,351 Okay. Remember that you said that! 1051 00:46:57,451 --> 00:46:59,486 And then don't come crying to me when it's over. 1052 00:46:59,587 --> 00:47:00,921 Remember. 1053 00:47:02,323 --> 00:47:04,626 Pace threatened Barbera all the time. 1054 00:47:04,726 --> 00:47:07,995 And when it was decided that she was staying in the film, 1055 00:47:08,095 --> 00:47:09,764 he couldn't handle it. 1056 00:47:09,863 --> 00:47:10,864 Hey, what's up? 1057 00:47:10,964 --> 00:47:12,433 Um, I'm sat here with Pace right now. 1058 00:47:12,534 --> 00:47:15,670 He doesn't believe, uh, anything that I'm saying right now. 1059 00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:17,237 So do you mind refreshing his mind 1060 00:47:17,338 --> 00:47:18,972 and telling him what you told me? 1061 00:47:19,073 --> 00:47:20,074 Hey, Pace. 1062 00:47:20,174 --> 00:47:21,543 I just got off the phone with Mocker. 1063 00:47:21,643 --> 00:47:23,977 And Barbera's staying in the fucking film. 1064 00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:26,847 So do whatever you want with that information. 1065 00:47:27,716 --> 00:47:30,050 Okay. Uh, Barbie. 1066 00:47:30,351 --> 00:47:32,453 -Uh, I gotta apologize to you. -Yeah? 1067 00:47:32,554 --> 00:47:34,154 -Okay? -Is this sincere? 1068 00:47:34,254 --> 00:47:37,091 Yes. That was the easy way for you to leave this film. 1069 00:47:37,191 --> 00:47:39,193 And now we do it the hard way. All right? 1070 00:47:39,293 --> 00:47:42,029 -Good luck. -Thanks. Appreciate it. 1071 00:47:42,129 --> 00:47:44,398 I always adored Barbera. 1072 00:47:44,699 --> 00:47:46,768 She had such a hard time on set. 1073 00:47:46,867 --> 00:47:49,169 She didn't deserve how she was treated. 1074 00:47:49,269 --> 00:47:51,238 I don't know who to trust anymore. 1075 00:47:51,338 --> 00:47:54,609 I don't know who are my friends. Everyone's fucking mean. 1076 00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:57,812 Well, you know you got me. 1077 00:47:57,911 --> 00:48:00,881 I'm lucky I do. You and your dad. 1078 00:48:00,981 --> 00:48:03,852 Initially, there was a lot of confusion as to why 1079 00:48:03,951 --> 00:48:06,887 Tedd was fighting so hard to keep her in the film. 1080 00:48:07,187 --> 00:48:11,091 There's a very simple reason Tedd refused to replace her. 1081 00:48:11,191 --> 00:48:13,561 Because they were having an affair. 1082 00:48:13,661 --> 00:48:15,764 They managed to keep their relationship quiet 1083 00:48:15,864 --> 00:48:16,798 for over a year. 1084 00:48:16,897 --> 00:48:18,332 But once Barbera was on set, 1085 00:48:18,432 --> 00:48:21,268 Tedd could no longer keep the relationship secret. 1086 00:48:21,368 --> 00:48:24,204 His jealousy and paranoia drove him 1087 00:48:24,304 --> 00:48:27,842 to make sure everyone knew she was his. 1088 00:48:27,941 --> 00:48:30,244 And what made him so paranoid 1089 00:48:30,344 --> 00:48:33,882 was Barbera's castmate and former lover, 1090 00:48:33,981 --> 00:48:36,383 Dustin Scott. 1091 00:48:36,684 --> 00:48:41,188 The story of their romance is shrouded with intrigue. 1092 00:48:41,288 --> 00:48:44,391 I mean, Tedd and Barbera were having an affair. 1093 00:48:44,491 --> 00:48:47,461 Dustin and Barbera were having an affair. 1094 00:48:47,562 --> 00:48:51,666 It was like the inception of affairs. 1095 00:48:51,766 --> 00:48:53,967 So Dustin was in love with Barbera 1096 00:48:54,067 --> 00:48:56,136 and Barbera was in love with Tedd. 1097 00:48:56,236 --> 00:48:58,907 And it was disaster for all of us. 1098 00:48:59,006 --> 00:49:01,810 Are you having a relationship with Barbera? 1099 00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:03,043 -Yeah. -Yeah. 1100 00:49:03,143 --> 00:49:04,411 And you're aware that she is currently having 1101 00:49:04,512 --> 00:49:06,313 a relationship with Tedd Mankiewicz? 1102 00:49:06,413 --> 00:49:07,181 Yeah. 1103 00:49:07,281 --> 00:49:08,783 And you thought, in your infinite wisdom, 1104 00:49:08,883 --> 00:49:11,151 that this was a good idea for you to do? 1105 00:49:12,252 --> 00:49:14,121 She was my girlfriend first, and... 1106 00:49:14,221 --> 00:49:15,657 Okay. With the playground rules. 1107 00:49:15,757 --> 00:49:16,925 Brilliant. 1108 00:49:17,024 --> 00:49:18,392 Can you talk to me a little bit about 1109 00:49:18,492 --> 00:49:20,227 Dustin and Barbera's love affair? 1110 00:49:20,829 --> 00:49:22,764 Mm, yeah, um, 1111 00:49:22,864 --> 00:49:25,667 I know they were childhood sweethearts 1112 00:49:25,767 --> 00:49:27,367 and then, uh, had some sort 1113 00:49:27,468 --> 00:49:30,304 of large, uh, profound relationship, 1114 00:49:30,404 --> 00:49:32,774 I guess, at least for Dustin. 1115 00:49:32,874 --> 00:49:35,242 Uh, and then it started up again. 1116 00:49:35,342 --> 00:49:37,344 Basically, the moment she arrived on the set, 1117 00:49:37,444 --> 00:49:39,614 which obviously drove Tedd insane. 1118 00:49:39,714 --> 00:49:42,617 He is a man that cannot comprehend things 1119 00:49:42,717 --> 00:49:44,151 he cannot control. 1120 00:49:44,251 --> 00:49:47,221 Dustin, I want you to kiss her like you know he's watching. 1121 00:49:47,321 --> 00:49:48,989 Because he is. You know what I'm saying? 1122 00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:50,224 You're trying to make me jealous. 1123 00:49:50,324 --> 00:49:51,526 No, no, no, I'm trying to make you 1124 00:49:51,626 --> 00:49:52,794 understand that you're a lesser man. 1125 00:49:52,894 --> 00:49:54,161 What am I supposed to do? 1126 00:49:54,261 --> 00:49:56,063 You're supposed to like it more than you like kissing him. 1127 00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:57,164 I'm jealous right now. 1128 00:49:57,264 --> 00:49:58,465 I want you to... You're jealous? 1129 00:49:58,566 --> 00:50:00,067 It's working? We're having a reaction? 1130 00:50:00,167 --> 00:50:01,468 Don't say that out loud. 1131 00:50:01,569 --> 00:50:03,036 Doesn't it feel good to have a human emotion? 1132 00:50:03,136 --> 00:50:04,304 You know what I mean? 1133 00:50:04,404 --> 00:50:06,139 I think there's a... Oh, there it is. Look at that. 1134 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,142 Imagine you met the love of your life. 1135 00:50:09,878 --> 00:50:12,246 And you had a beautiful romance. 1136 00:50:12,346 --> 00:50:15,717 And then you fucked it all up. You break up. 1137 00:50:15,817 --> 00:50:17,384 You're miserable. 1138 00:50:17,652 --> 00:50:20,354 And then you're working on this movie 1139 00:50:20,454 --> 00:50:23,490 and you find out that your ex-lover 1140 00:50:23,591 --> 00:50:26,393 is now gonna be with you every single day. 1141 00:50:26,493 --> 00:50:29,029 Sex scenes, kissing scenes. 1142 00:50:29,129 --> 00:50:31,398 And you have to watch the person that you love 1143 00:50:31,498 --> 00:50:33,668 be in love with somebody else. 1144 00:50:33,768 --> 00:50:36,436 And if that wasn't bad enough, her new boyfriend 1145 00:50:36,538 --> 00:50:40,374 was my boss and would tell me what to do every day. 1146 00:50:40,474 --> 00:50:42,977 You're grabbing her tits like it's an eighth-grade dance. 1147 00:50:43,076 --> 00:50:44,846 Grab her like this. 1148 00:50:44,946 --> 00:50:47,180 Let me get to your level. 1149 00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:50,350 If you cross me again, I'll fucking kill you. 1150 00:50:51,084 --> 00:50:52,787 Yeah, that's how it's done. 1151 00:50:54,022 --> 00:50:55,723 Tedd was always fucking with Dustin. 1152 00:50:55,823 --> 00:50:59,027 He would do these, like, psychological mind games 1153 00:50:59,126 --> 00:51:00,662 for dominance. 1154 00:51:00,762 --> 00:51:04,032 And it was abusive. 1155 00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,634 I just can't believe that you do that shit in front of me, okay? 1156 00:51:06,734 --> 00:51:08,803 It's so fucking disrespectful. It makes me sick to my stomach. 1157 00:51:08,903 --> 00:51:11,104 Do you know how many fucking times I've heard this from you? 1158 00:51:11,204 --> 00:51:12,640 What do you mean? 1159 00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:14,374 Do you know how many times I've heard you say that shit to him? 1160 00:51:14,474 --> 00:51:17,845 Tedd uses a tactic called disruption of thought freedom. 1161 00:51:17,946 --> 00:51:19,379 It's a genius military strategy 1162 00:51:19,479 --> 00:51:22,249 to take over someone's brain and ruin them. 1163 00:51:22,584 --> 00:51:24,586 And that's how he broke Dustin. 1164 00:51:27,387 --> 00:51:28,690 I... 1165 00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:33,393 I truly believe you only get one real love in your life. 1166 00:51:33,728 --> 00:51:37,331 That one person that's supposed to be there with you, 1167 00:51:37,431 --> 00:51:39,567 going through the ups and downs, and... 1168 00:51:40,001 --> 00:51:43,538 And it was Barbera. We were meant for each other. 1169 00:51:44,371 --> 00:51:45,607 And I fucked it up. 1170 00:51:45,707 --> 00:51:49,376 And the really funny thing is that the one person 1171 00:51:49,476 --> 00:51:51,311 who was trying to help me fix this relationship 1172 00:51:51,411 --> 00:51:54,749 more than anyone else was Pace. 1173 00:51:56,751 --> 00:51:59,386 Now did Pace really want us to get back together 1174 00:51:59,486 --> 00:52:01,321 'cause he cared about us? I don't think so. 1175 00:52:01,421 --> 00:52:04,491 I think he was really just trying to fuck with Tedd. 1176 00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:09,363 But, nonetheless, he was being a couples counselor, 1177 00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,866 trying anything and everything he could 1178 00:52:11,966 --> 00:52:14,068 to bring us back together. 1179 00:52:14,468 --> 00:52:18,539 And if Barbera wouldn't have died, 1180 00:52:19,439 --> 00:52:21,643 I think it would have worked. 1181 00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:25,546 I was doing what I could to... 1182 00:52:26,014 --> 00:52:27,715 to, well, not mend the relationship, 1183 00:52:27,815 --> 00:52:29,951 I just needed them to be able to get through a fucking scene. 1184 00:52:30,051 --> 00:52:34,522 And, and in, in that context, that required her to be able 1185 00:52:34,622 --> 00:52:38,225 to, uh, look him in the eye without rolling her eyes 1186 00:52:38,325 --> 00:52:40,160 or vomiting or screaming 1187 00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:41,963 or any of the things that would happen 1188 00:52:42,063 --> 00:52:43,363 when she would see him. 1189 00:52:43,463 --> 00:52:45,499 You are welcome to attach a humanitarian instinct to me 1190 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,135 whenever you like. You would be wrong. 1191 00:52:47,234 --> 00:52:49,103 I'm simply doing what is necessary 1192 00:52:49,202 --> 00:52:51,171 to get the film made. 1193 00:52:51,539 --> 00:52:54,207 No! No, no, no! Stop it! Stop! Right now! No, no. 1194 00:52:54,307 --> 00:52:55,510 No, no, listen. Okay? 1195 00:52:55,610 --> 00:52:57,411 Kissing is elemental. It's primordial. 1196 00:52:57,512 --> 00:52:58,980 It's deeper than sex, right? 1197 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,381 It's just, it's natural, okay? 1198 00:53:01,481 --> 00:53:03,818 I don't want to see sex. I want to see love. 1199 00:53:03,918 --> 00:53:05,019 Okay? Show me. 1200 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,487 -I give love. -Show me. Show me love. 1201 00:53:07,789 --> 00:53:09,123 I heard the rumors. 1202 00:53:09,222 --> 00:53:10,457 I tried to warn Dustin 1203 00:53:10,558 --> 00:53:12,259 about not getting involved with Barbera, 1204 00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:13,961 but he didn't listen. 1205 00:53:14,062 --> 00:53:16,564 And when my dad found out, it was actually worse 1206 00:53:16,664 --> 00:53:18,166 than I thought it would be. 1207 00:53:18,265 --> 00:53:20,200 Did you fuck Barb? 1208 00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,770 -No! I didn't-- -Dirty Dick Dustin. 1209 00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:24,505 -Dirty Dick Dustin. -I didn't do anything. 1210 00:53:24,605 --> 00:53:26,174 - Tedd, Tedd, Tedd. - Pull your dick out. 1211 00:53:26,273 --> 00:53:27,842 I want to see if it smells like Barb. 1212 00:53:27,942 --> 00:53:29,544 Pull your dick out. 1213 00:53:29,644 --> 00:53:31,913 Starting a war with a guy like Tedd, 1214 00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:34,247 someone with an infinite amount of resources, 1215 00:53:34,347 --> 00:53:37,451 wouldn't even bode well for me, let alone Dustin. 1216 00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:39,352 I'll have Dustin killed right now 1217 00:53:39,453 --> 00:53:40,822 if you just cast Chalamet. 1218 00:53:40,922 --> 00:53:43,323 Uh, could you have him killed without, uh, Timmy? 1219 00:53:43,423 --> 00:53:44,692 Absolutely not. 1220 00:53:44,792 --> 00:53:46,259 Why does it have to be Timmy to kill-- 1221 00:53:46,359 --> 00:53:47,628 You gotta give, you gotta give me something. 1222 00:53:47,729 --> 00:53:48,896 No, but can we get somebody else? 1223 00:53:48,996 --> 00:53:50,430 I'll have nothing for me to kill Dustin. 1224 00:53:50,531 --> 00:53:52,734 They say all is fair in love and war, 1225 00:53:52,834 --> 00:53:55,402 so Dustin decided to tell Tedd's wife 1226 00:53:55,502 --> 00:53:57,304 about the affair with Barbera, 1227 00:53:57,404 --> 00:54:01,374 which caused her to confront him in front of everyone. 1228 00:54:01,475 --> 00:54:02,777 -Who told you that? -You've been cheating on me. 1229 00:54:02,877 --> 00:54:04,411 -I've never fucking cheated. -Tell me the truth. 1230 00:54:04,512 --> 00:54:05,947 -I know you've been doing it! -I am telling you the truth. 1231 00:54:06,047 --> 00:54:08,281 -You've never... This is-- -I've never cheated on you. 1232 00:54:08,381 --> 00:54:09,416 Yes, you have! 1233 00:54:09,517 --> 00:54:10,752 What the fuck are you even talking about? 1234 00:54:10,852 --> 00:54:12,720 -You've never told me the truth. -Who told you that shit? 1235 00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:14,387 I'm not going to tell you who told me, 1236 00:54:14,488 --> 00:54:16,624 -but I know that it's true. -Was it Dustin? 1237 00:54:16,724 --> 00:54:18,626 After this was filmed, 1238 00:54:18,726 --> 00:54:20,762 Ted's wife threatened to leave him 1239 00:54:20,862 --> 00:54:22,530 if he didn't end things with Barbera. 1240 00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:24,899 And with her ability to prove infidelity, 1241 00:54:24,999 --> 00:54:28,202 he was looking at a billion-dollar divorce. 1242 00:54:28,301 --> 00:54:30,303 Two days later, Barbera Ball 1243 00:54:30,403 --> 00:54:32,707 was murdered by The Hollywood Killer. 1244 00:54:44,417 --> 00:54:46,821 I don't understand why the man isn't in prison. 1245 00:54:46,921 --> 00:54:49,690 He had the motive. Obviously, he had the access. 1246 00:54:49,791 --> 00:54:52,026 He was sleeping with the woman killed. 1247 00:54:52,126 --> 00:54:56,831 To me, to anyone with eyes or who is not being paid, 1248 00:54:56,931 --> 00:54:58,032 it should be obvious. 1249 00:54:58,132 --> 00:55:02,435 But in order to avoid a fifth lawsuit from the man, 1250 00:55:03,538 --> 00:55:05,973 I'll call him an alleged murderer. 1251 00:55:06,073 --> 00:55:08,109 Who's alleging it? I am. 1252 00:55:08,209 --> 00:55:10,244 My dad would never hurt Barbera. 1253 00:55:10,343 --> 00:55:12,246 She made him so happy. 1254 00:55:12,345 --> 00:55:13,815 I've never seen him love anyone 1255 00:55:13,915 --> 00:55:15,315 as much as he loved her. 1256 00:55:15,415 --> 00:55:16,884 What they shared was like something 1257 00:55:16,984 --> 00:55:18,418 you read in a romance novel. 1258 00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:20,320 He always said that she reminded him 1259 00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:21,989 of a Caravaggio painting. 1260 00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:24,692 I've never heard him talk about anyone like that. 1261 00:55:24,792 --> 00:55:26,661 I saw so much greatness in her 1262 00:55:26,761 --> 00:55:29,297 as a human being, her talent. 1263 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,935 She was my everything. 1264 00:55:35,203 --> 00:55:36,704 Do you miss her? 1265 00:55:36,804 --> 00:55:40,708 I miss her more than any human being that's ever lived. 1266 00:55:40,808 --> 00:55:43,410 Tedd's phone records show no calls 1267 00:55:43,511 --> 00:55:45,345 on the day Barbera died. 1268 00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:50,685 On a normal day, he averages 250 to 300 calls. 1269 00:55:50,785 --> 00:55:52,520 My dad and I went to Saint Moritz 1270 00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,589 for a few hours to look at a new house he was building, 1271 00:55:54,689 --> 00:55:57,457 and he broke his phone at the airport. 1272 00:55:57,558 --> 00:56:00,528 But I can assure you that his alibi is real, 1273 00:56:00,628 --> 00:56:01,896 and I was with him. 1274 00:56:01,996 --> 00:56:04,565 During any investigation, it's always fascinating 1275 00:56:04,665 --> 00:56:08,736 to see who a suspect thinks could have committed the crime. 1276 00:56:08,836 --> 00:56:12,073 And in this case, there's footage of it. 1277 00:56:12,405 --> 00:56:13,674 I'm not going to jail. 1278 00:56:13,774 --> 00:56:15,576 Rich people don't go to jail. 1279 00:56:15,676 --> 00:56:17,612 I wasn't even in the country, I swear. 1280 00:56:17,712 --> 00:56:19,347 You can check all the flight logs. 1281 00:56:19,446 --> 00:56:22,382 Everybody knows Dustin fucking killed her. 1282 00:56:22,482 --> 00:56:25,887 I have so many videos. Tell them I'll cut a deal. 1283 00:56:26,153 --> 00:56:28,856 We're now going to dive into our fourth suspect, 1284 00:56:28,956 --> 00:56:30,423 Dustin Scott. 1285 00:56:30,524 --> 00:56:33,160 There are many reasons why Dustin is a suspect, 1286 00:56:33,261 --> 00:56:36,564 but one stands out above them all. 1287 00:56:40,001 --> 00:56:42,703 Dustin! Dust-- 1288 00:56:43,037 --> 00:56:46,274 That video does not get you a conviction. 1289 00:56:46,374 --> 00:56:48,408 It does, however, tell us something, 1290 00:56:48,509 --> 00:56:51,712 that Dustin was the last thought on Barbera's mind. 1291 00:56:52,546 --> 00:56:54,548 But why Dustin? 1292 00:56:54,649 --> 00:56:57,484 Was it because she was saying goodbye 1293 00:56:57,585 --> 00:56:58,853 to the love of her life, 1294 00:56:58,953 --> 00:57:02,924 or because the love of her life was killing her? 1295 00:57:07,261 --> 00:57:08,428 You got that, right? 1296 00:57:08,529 --> 00:57:10,097 Got it. Won't use it. Do it again. 1297 00:57:11,899 --> 00:57:14,501 Put my hat back on. You're a fucking bitch. 1298 00:57:17,605 --> 00:57:19,307 I know he was a pain in the ass, 1299 00:57:19,407 --> 00:57:21,575 but I'll always feel sorry for this kid. 1300 00:57:21,676 --> 00:57:25,079 I mean, this movie ripped out his soul. 1301 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,615 I love Dustin Scott. 1302 00:57:27,715 --> 00:57:30,450 I just think he has 1303 00:57:30,551 --> 00:57:33,821 one of the most expressive faces. 1304 00:57:33,921 --> 00:57:37,124 Um, his performances are in the eyes, 1305 00:57:37,224 --> 00:57:38,626 gateway to the soul, his body. 1306 00:57:38,726 --> 00:57:39,927 He puts everything into it. 1307 00:57:40,027 --> 00:57:41,829 I mean, he's, he's a very emotional actor, 1308 00:57:41,929 --> 00:57:45,633 and I think he is literally a human PSA 1309 00:57:45,733 --> 00:57:50,171 about, don't be an actor, don't put your kids in acting. 1310 00:57:50,271 --> 00:57:54,775 I mean, every single thing, uh, that actors, 1311 00:57:54,875 --> 00:57:59,013 every trap actors can step in, he's actually stepped in. 1312 00:57:59,113 --> 00:58:01,515 Uh, a lot of the trysts that he had, 1313 00:58:01,615 --> 00:58:04,285 the women that he was with, 1314 00:58:04,385 --> 00:58:06,020 uh, some of the, the controversy 1315 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,589 that he caused because of his relationships, 1316 00:58:08,689 --> 00:58:10,524 we don't see any of that. 1317 00:58:10,624 --> 00:58:11,892 We just see this, and we think 1318 00:58:11,993 --> 00:58:14,095 this is the only thing that's happening in this frame. 1319 00:58:14,195 --> 00:58:17,665 But there is another behind the scenes, 1320 00:58:17,765 --> 00:58:19,333 which is what actually happens off the set. 1321 00:58:19,433 --> 00:58:23,304 So, yeah, Dustin looks like he is just being pummeled. 1322 00:58:23,404 --> 00:58:24,638 He's the martyr for everyone. 1323 00:58:24,739 --> 00:58:26,073 He's the whipping boy here. 1324 00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:30,544 Um, but what Dustin does off the set is pretty outrageous. 1325 00:58:30,644 --> 00:58:31,946 I swear to God, if you bring 1326 00:58:32,046 --> 00:58:34,548 another fucking prostitute-- sex worker on set again, 1327 00:58:34,648 --> 00:58:36,050 I will kick your ass. 1328 00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:39,453 Dustin really took Barbera's death hard. 1329 00:58:39,687 --> 00:58:41,222 He was doing all kinds of drugs. 1330 00:58:41,322 --> 00:58:43,924 We found him in a gutter, 1331 00:58:44,025 --> 00:58:47,561 unconscious at a strip club, 4:00 in the morning. 1332 00:58:47,862 --> 00:58:49,897 We covered it up from the press. 1333 00:58:50,231 --> 00:58:53,300 I would do whatever it took to keep him upright 1334 00:58:53,401 --> 00:58:54,535 in this movie. 1335 00:58:54,635 --> 00:58:56,904 I already got, you know, the investments there. 1336 00:58:57,004 --> 00:58:58,406 We were way into this thing 1337 00:58:58,507 --> 00:59:02,109 and Dustin has to be healthy, and he was a fucking mess. 1338 00:59:02,209 --> 00:59:03,344 So my, my question for you, 1339 00:59:03,444 --> 00:59:05,546 and I want you to take this with you into the scene, is, 1340 00:59:05,646 --> 00:59:07,448 what recently happened to Barbera, 1341 00:59:07,548 --> 00:59:08,883 uh, what do we think about the idea 1342 00:59:08,983 --> 00:59:12,653 that maybe you don't remember what, what you may have done? 1343 00:59:12,753 --> 00:59:14,388 'Cause I know you don't think you did anything, 1344 00:59:14,488 --> 00:59:18,426 but what about what you don't remember? 1345 00:59:18,793 --> 00:59:21,062 I remember one time, growing up as a kid, 1346 00:59:21,162 --> 00:59:24,331 some money came up missing at a church bingo, 1347 00:59:24,432 --> 00:59:26,767 and Father McCauley got so upset, 1348 00:59:26,867 --> 00:59:29,538 he bitch-slapped Sister Elizabeth. 1349 00:59:29,804 --> 00:59:32,473 I mean, if you push someone far enough, 1350 00:59:32,573 --> 00:59:34,375 it can get out of hand. 1351 00:59:34,475 --> 00:59:35,910 I want you to hang 1352 00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:37,311 the inadequacy of your performance 1353 00:59:37,411 --> 00:59:39,880 around your neck and wear it like a fucking albatross. 1354 00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:41,782 You understand? It's a millstone, all right? 1355 00:59:41,882 --> 00:59:43,117 You're dragging all of us down. 1356 00:59:43,217 --> 00:59:44,718 -All right. -It's like a, it's a thing. 1357 00:59:44,819 --> 00:59:45,986 - If I pull this... - Okay, yeah. 1358 00:59:46,087 --> 00:59:47,655 ...you can feel that, right? You can feel that. 1359 00:59:47,755 --> 00:59:49,390 I gotta hang you with this shit. 1360 00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:50,791 That's how bad your performance is. 1361 00:59:50,891 --> 00:59:52,493 I could use it to kill you. 1362 00:59:52,593 --> 00:59:54,895 Doing the same scenes 1363 00:59:54,995 --> 00:59:57,998 over and over again on multiple occasions, 1364 00:59:58,099 --> 01:00:00,234 it kind of takes it out of you. 1365 01:00:00,334 --> 01:00:01,268 It's like if you had 1366 01:00:01,368 --> 01:00:02,870 a tube of toothpaste that's already empty 1367 01:00:02,970 --> 01:00:04,371 and you just keep squeezing it and you think 1368 01:00:04,472 --> 01:00:06,273 something's going to come out, but there's nothing in there 1369 01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:09,743 and you're just crushing it in your fucking palm. 1370 01:00:13,714 --> 01:00:16,684 I'm the tube of empty toothpaste. 1371 01:00:17,651 --> 01:00:18,886 I think I might faint. 1372 01:00:18,986 --> 01:00:20,888 -You're going to faint? Why? -I don't know. 1373 01:00:20,988 --> 01:00:24,291 Have you read this scene? Is this a fainting scene? 1374 01:00:25,392 --> 01:00:26,861 -Okay, Martin, you see that? -Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1375 01:00:26,961 --> 01:00:28,896 No, no, don't touch him. You understand what happened? 1376 01:00:28,996 --> 01:00:30,664 This man's talent cannot overcome 1377 01:00:30,764 --> 01:00:31,999 his given circumstances. 1378 01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:33,734 That's what we call bad acting, all right? 1379 01:00:33,834 --> 01:00:35,302 Don't look at him. Do the scene without him. 1380 01:00:35,402 --> 01:00:37,506 I'm going to back up and get the shot, all right? 1381 01:00:37,606 --> 01:00:39,306 Okay, let's go! 1382 01:00:42,176 --> 01:00:47,549 This film took pieces of me that I will never get back. 1383 01:00:47,648 --> 01:00:49,049 I fucking hate you! All you do 1384 01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:51,520 is you yell and you lie and you yell and you lie! 1385 01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,720 And I can't take it anymore! 1386 01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:54,556 Why don't you do something about it, Dustin? 1387 01:00:54,655 --> 01:00:56,023 Fuck! 1388 01:00:56,123 --> 01:00:57,592 Now we're going to learn about acting. 1389 01:00:57,725 --> 01:00:59,628 What is acting, Dustin? Acting is... 1390 01:01:00,928 --> 01:01:02,730 It's being acting, okay? We're not trying to win. 1391 01:01:02,830 --> 01:01:04,965 All right, okay, now... 1392 01:01:09,336 --> 01:01:10,871 All right, Marty. 1393 01:01:11,172 --> 01:01:14,375 Um, I need something sort of tempting. 1394 01:01:14,775 --> 01:01:17,278 Pace used to tell me to never argue with Dustin 1395 01:01:17,546 --> 01:01:20,681 because it's hard to win a fight with a smart person, 1396 01:01:20,781 --> 01:01:23,684 but impossible to win one with a crazy person. 1397 01:01:23,784 --> 01:01:25,319 I worked with the guy for five years. 1398 01:01:25,419 --> 01:01:28,122 There's no doubt in my mind he could be the killer. 1399 01:01:28,222 --> 01:01:32,661 The things I've seen, you wouldn't believe it. 1400 01:01:33,093 --> 01:01:34,962 Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay? Just shut the fuck up! 1401 01:01:35,062 --> 01:01:36,531 - Shut up? - Yeah, shut-- 1402 01:01:36,631 --> 01:01:37,765 -More an angle. -I'll shut up? 1403 01:01:37,865 --> 01:01:39,133 -More an angle. -Shut up? I'm sick of you! 1404 01:01:39,233 --> 01:01:40,901 Marty, Marty, what did I tell you about the carotid? 1405 01:01:41,001 --> 01:01:42,203 -Martin! -You put pressure right here. 1406 01:01:42,303 --> 01:01:43,470 -Martin, I'm sorry! -Then he'll go to sleep. 1407 01:01:43,572 --> 01:01:44,838 Very close to me. 1408 01:01:44,939 --> 01:01:46,575 And then brace the back of his head here. Break it here. 1409 01:01:46,675 --> 01:01:47,975 You know, not many people know this, 1410 01:01:48,075 --> 01:01:50,645 but I actually used to go to middle school with Dustin. 1411 01:01:50,744 --> 01:01:52,112 Um, he had a nickname. 1412 01:01:52,213 --> 01:01:55,115 Back then, it was, uh, it was Bundy. 1413 01:01:55,216 --> 01:01:57,619 Not for Al Bundy, but for Ted Bundy, 1414 01:01:57,718 --> 01:01:58,852 because he was voted 1415 01:01:58,953 --> 01:02:00,387 "most likely to become a serial killer" 1416 01:02:00,487 --> 01:02:01,922 in our yearbook. 1417 01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:06,060 You know, when I really think about it, Dustin makes sense. 1418 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,162 I let him go down on me once. 1419 01:02:09,163 --> 01:02:11,131 Blind man looking for a nickel. 1420 01:02:11,398 --> 01:02:14,868 There's this moment when a man is between your legs. 1421 01:02:14,969 --> 01:02:18,607 You can feel that energy just, you know, coming up, 1422 01:02:18,707 --> 01:02:21,242 and I got that, I got that murder energy. 1423 01:02:22,209 --> 01:02:24,613 What? You're not rolling fucking... 1424 01:02:24,713 --> 01:02:26,313 I just... 1425 01:02:26,615 --> 01:02:28,415 Oh, my fucking God! What are we... 1426 01:02:28,516 --> 01:02:30,217 What are we doing here? What are we doing here? 1427 01:02:30,317 --> 01:02:32,119 I've been doing this for four fucking years, 1428 01:02:32,219 --> 01:02:34,522 and now you're not even, you can't roll fucking sound? 1429 01:02:34,623 --> 01:02:35,756 What? 1430 01:02:35,856 --> 01:02:38,025 I was supposed to be a movie star, Pace! 1431 01:02:38,125 --> 01:02:39,694 I was supposed to be a movie star! 1432 01:02:39,793 --> 01:02:41,128 Now I'm going to rehab, 1433 01:02:41,228 --> 01:02:42,997 and I'm gonna fucking work at a McDonald's 1434 01:02:43,097 --> 01:02:44,198 because of this goddamn... 1435 01:02:44,298 --> 01:02:46,133 Fuck these fucking asshole punks! 1436 01:02:46,233 --> 01:02:47,134 I'm fucking done! 1437 01:02:47,234 --> 01:02:51,472 I'm telling you, Dustin is The Hollywood Killer. 1438 01:02:51,573 --> 01:02:53,407 That guy? That's a killer? 1439 01:02:53,508 --> 01:02:55,776 I mean, come on. He's so dumb. 1440 01:02:55,876 --> 01:02:57,746 Everybody knows this, you know? 1441 01:02:57,845 --> 01:02:59,380 He's about as smart as mayonnaise. 1442 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,117 He's like the character from Sling Blade in real life. 1443 01:03:03,752 --> 01:03:04,918 The only person 1444 01:03:05,019 --> 01:03:08,489 that Dustin really wanted to kill was himself. 1445 01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:12,793 I can't do this anymore! 1446 01:03:12,893 --> 01:03:18,132 Why is this happening to me? 1447 01:03:20,467 --> 01:03:23,437 Churchill famously said that, when you are going through hell, 1448 01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:24,905 you just keep going. 1449 01:03:25,005 --> 01:03:28,175 Dustin's hell is within him, but he is a coward, 1450 01:03:28,275 --> 01:03:30,277 so he distracts himself with women. 1451 01:03:30,377 --> 01:03:32,012 He had a relationship with Ava, 1452 01:03:32,112 --> 01:03:35,082 and then, obviously, he had his relationship with Barbera, 1453 01:03:35,182 --> 01:03:37,719 and when she was killed, he moved on to Greata, 1454 01:03:37,818 --> 01:03:38,919 and when she was killed, 1455 01:03:39,019 --> 01:03:41,488 he attempted a relationship with Audrey. 1456 01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:44,526 The problem is that, when you have that inferno within you, 1457 01:03:44,626 --> 01:03:48,462 when you want to taste the heart of darkness, 1458 01:03:48,563 --> 01:03:49,798 you must release it, 1459 01:03:49,897 --> 01:03:51,800 because whether or not you do it, 1460 01:03:51,899 --> 01:03:54,803 it will find you. It will come for you. 1461 01:03:54,902 --> 01:03:57,371 And if you don't rise to meet it, 1462 01:03:57,471 --> 01:03:59,073 it will swallow you whole. 1463 01:04:01,509 --> 01:04:03,778 I don't think that he's okay. 1464 01:04:03,877 --> 01:04:05,012 Mm, he's fine. He's okay. 1465 01:04:06,715 --> 01:04:08,015 Are we... Are we gonna break? 1466 01:04:08,115 --> 01:04:09,617 Yeah, break. Get off set for a second. 1467 01:04:09,718 --> 01:04:11,018 Just fuck off. 1468 01:04:11,118 --> 01:04:13,788 No, you can drink the water out of my shot. 1469 01:04:13,887 --> 01:04:14,988 Get the fuck out. 1470 01:04:15,089 --> 01:04:17,224 Can somebody... Oh! 1471 01:04:17,324 --> 01:04:18,292 I need my mom! 1472 01:04:18,392 --> 01:04:19,860 Yeah, you know what, Marty? 1473 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,895 I think you should clear out, too. 1474 01:04:29,503 --> 01:04:35,075 I pinned the camera down, because I was watching a murder, 1475 01:04:35,175 --> 01:04:38,445 a very slow murder in front of me. 1476 01:04:38,546 --> 01:04:41,048 During his tenure on Dissident, 1477 01:04:41,148 --> 01:04:45,285 Dustin allegedly slept with all three of the victims, 1478 01:04:45,653 --> 01:04:48,857 was committed to a psychiatric ward twice, 1479 01:04:48,956 --> 01:04:53,661 and overdosed once the day after Barbera died. 1480 01:04:53,762 --> 01:04:55,896 Dustin Scott was never charged. 1481 01:04:55,996 --> 01:04:58,432 However, when Barbera was murdered, 1482 01:04:58,533 --> 01:05:02,169 despite a public outcry to shut down the film, 1483 01:05:02,269 --> 01:05:05,540 the search for a new actress was on. 1484 01:05:05,774 --> 01:05:07,274 At this point, 1485 01:05:08,275 --> 01:05:11,579 uh, we are in the maelstrom. 1486 01:05:11,979 --> 01:05:14,014 This ship is taking on water. 1487 01:05:14,114 --> 01:05:16,818 The waves are crashing over the deck. 1488 01:05:17,251 --> 01:05:19,286 The crew is mostly dead of scurvy, 1489 01:05:19,386 --> 01:05:22,089 and the ones that are still alive... 1490 01:05:23,825 --> 01:05:26,160 are considering mutiny. 1491 01:05:26,427 --> 01:05:30,464 And then at this exact moment, a ship appears on the horizon. 1492 01:05:30,565 --> 01:05:32,634 A ship with its cannons firing directly at us, 1493 01:05:32,734 --> 01:05:37,137 flying a pirate flag with the name Greata Daniels. 1494 01:05:37,237 --> 01:05:39,741 -What is inside you? -I've never died before. 1495 01:05:39,841 --> 01:05:41,008 You've never died before? 1496 01:05:41,108 --> 01:05:42,342 What a fucking statement that is. 1497 01:05:42,443 --> 01:05:45,479 Fucking obvious. What is inside you, Greata? 1498 01:05:45,580 --> 01:05:47,715 -Nothing. -Exactly. 1499 01:05:47,816 --> 01:05:49,483 There's a saying in Hollywood. 1500 01:05:49,584 --> 01:05:51,285 The show must go on. 1501 01:05:51,385 --> 01:05:56,323 And with that, Dissident cast its third lead actress, 1502 01:05:56,423 --> 01:05:57,926 Greata Daniels. 1503 01:05:58,058 --> 01:06:01,629 Sometimes I think you just say fancy words 1504 01:06:01,729 --> 01:06:04,064 and think that they make sense, 1505 01:06:04,164 --> 01:06:05,999 but they don't, because you just want 1506 01:06:06,099 --> 01:06:07,669 to impress everybody around you. 1507 01:06:07,769 --> 01:06:11,773 Greata was a combination of Marla Singer from Fight Club 1508 01:06:11,873 --> 01:06:14,174 and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl. 1509 01:06:14,274 --> 01:06:15,810 A beautiful disaster. 1510 01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:17,177 You're so creepy. Do you know that? 1511 01:06:17,277 --> 01:06:18,178 It's part of the thing. 1512 01:06:18,278 --> 01:06:20,247 I love it, but, like, 1513 01:06:20,347 --> 01:06:22,650 the shit that comes out of your mouth sometimes 1514 01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:24,719 is just mind-blowing. 1515 01:06:25,118 --> 01:06:26,921 Greata was a shooting star in the sky. 1516 01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:32,359 Greata was a genius 1517 01:06:32,459 --> 01:06:33,728 wrapped in pain. 1518 01:06:33,828 --> 01:06:37,732 When I find girls like this, I peel them like an onion. 1519 01:06:38,031 --> 01:06:40,234 And I peel all the pain and the hurt 1520 01:06:40,334 --> 01:06:44,004 and the trauma and the distrust. 1521 01:06:44,371 --> 01:06:46,306 And you know what's in that onion? 1522 01:06:47,441 --> 01:06:48,643 A pearl. 1523 01:06:48,743 --> 01:06:50,712 I don't think Greata was ready for Dissident, 1524 01:06:50,812 --> 01:06:54,949 but Dissident definitely wasn't ready for Greata. 1525 01:06:55,048 --> 01:06:56,083 They explained this to me. 1526 01:06:56,183 --> 01:06:57,719 She, she's an alcoholic, right? 1527 01:06:57,819 --> 01:07:00,688 -That's what we're dealing with? -No, no, no, no, no. 1528 01:07:00,788 --> 01:07:02,122 This just keeps her level. 1529 01:07:02,222 --> 01:07:04,726 -It keeps her on an even keel. -It's my natural state. 1530 01:07:04,826 --> 01:07:07,227 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we keep her at this even keel. 1531 01:07:07,327 --> 01:07:08,395 She's drunk right at this moment? 1532 01:07:08,495 --> 01:07:09,631 No, no, I wouldn't call it drunk. 1533 01:07:09,731 --> 01:07:11,098 -I would call it... -You know what, Pearl? 1534 01:07:11,198 --> 01:07:12,567 A state of meditation. 1535 01:07:12,667 --> 01:07:14,802 That's exactly what we call it, a state of meditation. 1536 01:07:14,903 --> 01:07:18,238 -It makes me a better actor. -Yeah, and keep her even. 1537 01:07:18,606 --> 01:07:21,776 She was supposed to be in rehab for 120 days. 1538 01:07:21,876 --> 01:07:25,613 We picked her up for production on the 30th day. 1539 01:07:26,981 --> 01:07:28,816 I shot up some Benadryl last night, 1540 01:07:28,917 --> 01:07:31,786 and then I did a lot of cocaine. 1541 01:07:32,486 --> 01:07:34,187 Do you think I'm gonna die? 1542 01:07:35,055 --> 01:07:36,024 What? 1543 01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:39,159 She just wasn't really easy to work with, 1544 01:07:39,259 --> 01:07:42,329 but the second that she really committed herself, 1545 01:07:42,429 --> 01:07:46,400 she's so talented and incredible to watch. 1546 01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:50,203 I would find myself watching her, like, magnetized almost, 1547 01:07:50,304 --> 01:07:52,339 like I could not take my eyes away. 1548 01:07:52,439 --> 01:07:54,909 It was insane, and everybody felt like that. 1549 01:07:55,009 --> 01:07:57,344 Everyone was obsessed with her. 1550 01:07:57,444 --> 01:07:59,079 I mean, she could have been a cult leader, 1551 01:07:59,179 --> 01:08:01,015 and we all would have blindly followed 1552 01:08:01,114 --> 01:08:03,851 her every single move. 1553 01:08:04,284 --> 01:08:06,721 A little cute puppy, and you just want to squeeze it 1554 01:08:06,821 --> 01:08:08,155 and throw it in the trash can. 1555 01:08:08,255 --> 01:08:09,724 I usually want to grab them by their ankles and just, 1556 01:08:09,824 --> 01:08:10,959 you know, against the wall. 1557 01:08:11,059 --> 01:08:13,093 No, but, like, when a baby is so cute, you just want to... 1558 01:08:13,193 --> 01:08:15,597 Greata was the most unpredictable person 1559 01:08:15,697 --> 01:08:16,931 I've ever met. 1560 01:08:17,031 --> 01:08:20,034 I mean, you never knew which version of her you would get 1561 01:08:20,133 --> 01:08:22,169 or if she would even show up. 1562 01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:24,005 Okay, I'll definitely come tomorrow. 1563 01:08:24,104 --> 01:08:25,405 Okay, fantastic. 1564 01:08:25,506 --> 01:08:27,575 So, again, uh, Martin, for you... 1565 01:08:27,675 --> 01:08:30,277 You couldn't count on Greata for much, 1566 01:08:30,377 --> 01:08:31,713 but what you could count on is 1567 01:08:31,813 --> 01:08:35,148 the bigger the day, the less likely it is she shows up. 1568 01:08:35,248 --> 01:08:37,184 Greata would just do whatever she wanted. 1569 01:08:37,284 --> 01:08:39,119 It didn't matter if she was shooting 30 minutes 1570 01:08:39,219 --> 01:08:40,788 or 30 hours on set. 1571 01:08:40,888 --> 01:08:43,992 She would just vanish. Nobody could find her. 1572 01:08:44,358 --> 01:08:45,960 All right, good morning, boys. 1573 01:08:46,060 --> 01:08:47,795 How we doing today? Listen, I, uh, 1574 01:08:47,895 --> 01:08:49,097 I just got off the phone, 1575 01:08:49,196 --> 01:08:51,633 and Greata's gonna be a no-show today. 1576 01:08:51,733 --> 01:08:52,499 What? 1577 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:53,801 Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming. 1578 01:08:53,901 --> 01:08:55,970 -What happened to Greata? -Well, it doesn't matter. 1579 01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:58,006 A series of events probably occurred, 1580 01:08:58,106 --> 01:09:00,440 all involving, you know, strangers' dicks 1581 01:09:00,541 --> 01:09:02,877 and, uh, and, you know, Colombian cocaine. 1582 01:09:02,977 --> 01:09:04,012 But that's not the point. 1583 01:09:04,112 --> 01:09:05,613 The point is she's not going to be here. 1584 01:09:05,713 --> 01:09:07,214 Greata's gonna do whatever she wants 1585 01:09:07,314 --> 01:09:08,382 at any given moment. 1586 01:09:08,482 --> 01:09:10,918 Um, she's driven purely by instinct 1587 01:09:11,019 --> 01:09:13,588 and her own id, I think. 1588 01:09:13,688 --> 01:09:16,524 If she wants cocaine, that's what she's gonna do. 1589 01:09:16,624 --> 01:09:19,093 If she wants to show up on set, great, she'll be there that day. 1590 01:09:19,226 --> 01:09:21,562 If not, tough shit. 1591 01:09:21,996 --> 01:09:24,565 We're getting ready to do the big helicopter scene, 1592 01:09:24,666 --> 01:09:27,200 stuns several cameras, everybody's in place. 1593 01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:30,104 It's a big, it's a big scene to pull off. 1594 01:09:30,203 --> 01:09:31,839 Helicopter is in the air. 1595 01:09:31,939 --> 01:09:34,441 Everything is ready, and Greata doesn't show up. 1596 01:09:34,542 --> 01:09:36,577 Yeah. No, it's okay. We'll come get you. 1597 01:09:36,678 --> 01:09:38,579 Lisa, where's your fucking client, boo? 1598 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,181 -I'm leaving her a voicemail. -She's not on the phone? 1599 01:09:41,281 --> 01:09:43,818 She is at a Vietnamese restaurant in Burbank. 1600 01:09:43,918 --> 01:09:45,218 Okay, okay. Can we... 1601 01:09:45,318 --> 01:09:47,555 I think she just felt 1602 01:09:47,655 --> 01:09:50,490 that production revolved around her. 1603 01:09:50,591 --> 01:09:54,095 No consideration for cast, no consideration for crew, 1604 01:09:54,194 --> 01:09:56,030 no consideration for Pace. 1605 01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:57,565 Everyone out here is scared of you. 1606 01:09:57,665 --> 01:09:59,867 I'm not scared of you. I'm sexually attracted to you. 1607 01:09:59,967 --> 01:10:01,536 We're fucking done! I'm done! 1608 01:10:01,636 --> 01:10:03,370 -Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay. -Fuck you! Fuck you! 1609 01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:06,941 Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry. It's not about you. 1610 01:10:07,041 --> 01:10:08,009 Fuck you! I'm done. 1611 01:10:08,109 --> 01:10:09,476 I love you too, Pace. 1612 01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:12,146 We contracted Greata for nine months. 1613 01:10:12,245 --> 01:10:14,749 She was killed on the 60th day, 1614 01:10:15,016 --> 01:10:19,319 and of the 60 days, she only showed up on set 37. 1615 01:10:19,419 --> 01:10:21,723 You can let her know, or you let Tedd know, 1616 01:10:21,823 --> 01:10:23,290 that if she does not come tomorrow, 1617 01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:24,491 I will fucking kill her, 1618 01:10:24,592 --> 01:10:25,960 'cause I don't appreciate the volatility. 1619 01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:28,529 She's not here now, she won't be here permanently. 1620 01:10:28,629 --> 01:10:29,463 That's it. 1621 01:10:29,564 --> 01:10:33,300 Greata was murdered that night by THK. 1622 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,368 The video of her murder, like the others, 1623 01:10:35,469 --> 01:10:38,305 was posted moments after it was taken. 1624 01:10:38,405 --> 01:10:39,674 And the next day, 1625 01:10:39,774 --> 01:10:45,546 the FBI officially classified THK as a serial killer. 1626 01:10:45,646 --> 01:10:47,280 And that's when I got involved. 1627 01:11:00,194 --> 01:11:06,399 There's a level of infamy that a serial killer makes it to 1628 01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:08,736 when they become known forever. 1629 01:11:08,836 --> 01:11:10,605 Pop culture icons. 1630 01:11:10,705 --> 01:11:12,840 White women can't get enough. 1631 01:11:12,940 --> 01:11:17,044 BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac. 1632 01:11:17,477 --> 01:11:20,047 Now we've got The Hollywood Killer. 1633 01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,482 The first thing I did when I got on this case 1634 01:11:22,583 --> 01:11:24,585 was to subpoena the footage. 1635 01:11:24,685 --> 01:11:25,953 Upon reviewing it, I learned 1636 01:11:26,053 --> 01:11:29,090 that the cameras were rolling the entire time. 1637 01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:31,358 Something which I kept to myself, 1638 01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:33,360 as I knew this would be 1639 01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:35,730 my greatest resource of evidence. 1640 01:11:36,296 --> 01:11:38,065 And it was. 1641 01:11:38,166 --> 01:11:39,567 If anything ever happened to me, 1642 01:11:39,667 --> 01:11:42,103 if I ever died, look at fucking Melvin. 1643 01:11:42,203 --> 01:11:43,403 It's definitely Melvin. 1644 01:11:43,503 --> 01:11:46,339 It's never a good sign when the murdered person 1645 01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,709 calls you out by name, 1646 01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:52,146 but that's what happened to our fifth suspect. 1647 01:11:52,246 --> 01:11:54,115 Melvin Asher. 1648 01:11:54,215 --> 01:11:56,651 The overwhelming theory on Melvin 1649 01:11:56,751 --> 01:11:58,719 is that he wasn't happy with the actresses 1650 01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:01,656 and killed them one by one until he got 1651 01:12:01,756 --> 01:12:03,925 the one he thought could win him an Oscar. 1652 01:12:04,025 --> 01:12:08,328 His relationship with Greata certainly didn't help his case. 1653 01:12:08,428 --> 01:12:11,331 Greata, if you fuck this movie up for me, 1654 01:12:11,431 --> 01:12:12,900 I'll kill you. 1655 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,871 The three things I look for in every serial killer's mind 1656 01:12:16,971 --> 01:12:20,473 are lack of remorse, the need to control, 1657 01:12:20,575 --> 01:12:24,111 and narcissistic personality disorder. 1658 01:12:24,377 --> 01:12:25,680 Can you tell me a little bit 1659 01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:27,380 about your relationship with Melvin? 1660 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,317 Yeah, I, uh, 1661 01:12:29,416 --> 01:12:30,818 I was the lead of The Tarantula Prince. 1662 01:12:30,918 --> 01:12:33,955 That's his first movie. It's kind of what broke him out. 1663 01:12:34,055 --> 01:12:35,022 You're welcome. 1664 01:12:39,426 --> 01:12:42,129 To your death! 1665 01:13:01,315 --> 01:13:05,686 Yeah! 1666 01:13:06,287 --> 01:13:11,025 On paper, Melvin's probably your prototype for a killer. 1667 01:13:11,125 --> 01:13:13,460 He's got the size, he's got the anger, 1668 01:13:13,561 --> 01:13:15,029 he's got the snapping, 1669 01:13:15,129 --> 01:13:16,631 all the psychosis that goes 1670 01:13:16,731 --> 01:13:18,299 into being able to murder someone. 1671 01:13:18,398 --> 01:13:20,368 Hey, have you seen this man's intensity? 1672 01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:21,769 Wait till you interview him. 1673 01:13:21,869 --> 01:13:23,604 That guy doesn't say anything on accident. 1674 01:13:23,704 --> 01:13:27,575 I think his entire life story is rehearsed in a mirror, man. 1675 01:13:31,846 --> 01:13:35,316 Today is the day I win an Oscar. 1676 01:13:35,616 --> 01:13:38,319 I will win an Oscar today. 1677 01:13:38,418 --> 01:13:40,087 I am not a contender. 1678 01:13:40,187 --> 01:13:42,189 I am the fucking adventurer. 1679 01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:44,358 I will win this fucking Oscar. 1680 01:13:44,457 --> 01:13:46,627 I am not a loser. I am a winner. 1681 01:13:46,727 --> 01:13:49,730 I am not a bridesmaid. I'm the fucking bride. 1682 01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:50,965 Let's go. 1683 01:13:52,499 --> 01:13:55,569 Do you think there's any chance 1684 01:13:55,670 --> 01:13:58,839 that Melvin Asher was the killer? 1685 01:13:58,940 --> 01:14:02,877 Yeah, sure. Uh, it's, uh, possible. 1686 01:14:03,244 --> 01:14:06,113 If I was to write the story of Melvin as murderer, 1687 01:14:06,213 --> 01:14:07,515 I would tell it like this. 1688 01:14:07,615 --> 01:14:09,717 A man who has already achieved 1689 01:14:09,817 --> 01:14:12,119 great wealth and success and fame 1690 01:14:12,219 --> 01:14:14,055 from the movies he's done and yet is not satisfied. 1691 01:14:14,155 --> 01:14:15,756 He wants prestige. He wants something more. 1692 01:14:15,856 --> 01:14:18,159 He wants to be taken seriously. And he finds himself 1693 01:14:18,259 --> 01:14:20,528 on a movie where he believes he can do just that. 1694 01:14:20,628 --> 01:14:22,596 And yet there are women 1695 01:14:22,697 --> 01:14:25,366 that he perceives to be in his way. 1696 01:14:25,465 --> 01:14:27,500 Now, what does a man 1697 01:14:27,601 --> 01:14:29,737 who knows he cannot achieve happiness 1698 01:14:29,837 --> 01:14:32,840 unless he wins an award for this film, 1699 01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:35,109 what is this man willing to do? 1700 01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:36,744 Would he kill for it? 1701 01:14:36,844 --> 01:14:39,647 In this story, I believe he does. 1702 01:14:39,747 --> 01:14:43,351 You know, signing on to Dissident was a dream for me. 1703 01:14:43,451 --> 01:14:44,484 Hey, Melvin. 1704 01:14:44,585 --> 01:14:47,154 What do you think bad acting looks like? 1705 01:14:48,556 --> 01:14:50,057 -Like bad acting? -There it is. 1706 01:14:50,157 --> 01:14:52,626 I see it. It's, it's like this. I see it right now. 1707 01:14:52,727 --> 01:14:54,295 -Stop it. -All right. All right, let's go. 1708 01:14:54,395 --> 01:14:57,465 Working with Pace is something 1709 01:14:57,565 --> 01:15:01,268 I wish every performer could do. 1710 01:15:01,602 --> 01:15:05,039 Okay, he pulls the artist from the actor. 1711 01:15:05,139 --> 01:15:07,274 And after doing the Quick and Quicker films 1712 01:15:07,375 --> 01:15:09,143 for the last decade, 1713 01:15:09,243 --> 01:15:10,644 it's what I needed. 1714 01:15:10,745 --> 01:15:13,414 But knowing this footage is out there, 1715 01:15:13,514 --> 01:15:15,316 I can understand how people 1716 01:15:15,416 --> 01:15:17,184 could have this perception of me. 1717 01:15:17,284 --> 01:15:22,556 I hope they know that I truly, truly cared about this film. 1718 01:15:22,857 --> 01:15:25,226 And then at my core, I'm... 1719 01:15:25,326 --> 01:15:27,561 You know, I'm just a good guy. 1720 01:15:27,661 --> 01:15:29,797 What the fuck, man? 1721 01:15:29,897 --> 01:15:33,100 Ivan, what are we fucking doing?! 1722 01:15:34,135 --> 01:15:36,370 I know people have their opinions on him, 1723 01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:38,439 but I love Melvin. 1724 01:15:38,539 --> 01:15:39,874 He's my godfather. 1725 01:15:39,974 --> 01:15:42,043 He took that role very seriously. 1726 01:15:42,143 --> 01:15:44,645 He postponed production on a major motion picture 1727 01:15:44,745 --> 01:15:46,414 so he wouldn't miss the opening night 1728 01:15:46,515 --> 01:15:47,882 of my school play. 1729 01:15:47,982 --> 01:15:50,851 He taught me how to drive when I was, like, 13. 1730 01:15:50,951 --> 01:15:55,356 And he was the first person to say, "Do it," 1731 01:15:55,456 --> 01:15:57,591 when I wanted to make movies. 1732 01:15:57,691 --> 01:16:01,762 That being said, he had issues with the girls. 1733 01:16:02,396 --> 01:16:03,764 He fought with Ava. 1734 01:16:03,864 --> 01:16:05,466 It's really hard to act with somebody who's so dumb, 1735 01:16:05,566 --> 01:16:06,535 but it's okay. 1736 01:16:06,634 --> 01:16:07,668 This is a Melvin thing? 1737 01:16:07,768 --> 01:16:09,170 -Because of his stupidity? -"So dumb"? 1738 01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:11,272 We had an entire meeting about how stupid he is. 1739 01:16:11,372 --> 01:16:12,406 "So dumb"? 1740 01:16:12,507 --> 01:16:13,974 I mean, he has 45 million dollars, so... 1741 01:16:14,075 --> 01:16:17,678 Yeah, you know communication is only 30% verbal, right? 1742 01:16:17,778 --> 01:16:19,180 So what you said doesn't matter. 1743 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,215 I don't know that you know what you're talking about at all. 1744 01:16:21,315 --> 01:16:22,450 I'm, guys, I'm so tired. 1745 01:16:22,551 --> 01:16:23,818 I really am hungry and I gotta go. 1746 01:16:23,918 --> 01:16:24,952 Don't run away from the fight. 1747 01:16:25,052 --> 01:16:26,487 -Just engage with him. -Oh, no, no, no-- 1748 01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:27,955 He's an asshole. He's the worst. 1749 01:16:28,055 --> 01:16:30,024 An asshole? I was trying to help. I was trying to help. 1750 01:16:30,124 --> 01:16:32,293 -Subtext, okay? Great, awesome. -Oh, yeah. 1751 01:16:32,393 --> 01:16:33,327 Oh, okay. So you're just-- 1752 01:16:33,427 --> 01:16:35,729 You're so smart, sweetie. Yeah, just look pretty. 1753 01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:37,631 You're very handsome. That's good for you. 1754 01:16:37,731 --> 01:16:39,166 -Thank you. I appreciate that. -Can we go? 1755 01:16:39,266 --> 01:16:42,303 He never thought Barbera was right for the role. 1756 01:16:42,636 --> 01:16:44,705 -Get rid of her. -No, I-- 1757 01:16:44,805 --> 01:16:46,440 You know how much money that's gonna cost? 1758 01:16:46,541 --> 01:16:47,842 You know, all the things involved. 1759 01:16:47,942 --> 01:16:49,610 I don't know if I have it in me. 1760 01:16:49,710 --> 01:16:52,980 John, it'll cost you less money. I'll waive my fee. 1761 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,549 And Greata? 1762 01:16:54,648 --> 01:16:58,185 Well, he despised Greata. 1763 01:16:58,587 --> 01:17:00,221 This has been the pinnacle of my career, 1764 01:17:00,321 --> 01:17:01,822 working with each and every one of you. 1765 01:17:01,922 --> 01:17:04,859 I appreciate and I love 1766 01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:07,895 every single one of you on this set, okay? 1767 01:17:07,995 --> 01:17:09,763 And I just wanna, I just wanna thank you. 1768 01:17:09,864 --> 01:17:12,133 I love you all. Uh, except for Greata. 1769 01:17:12,233 --> 01:17:14,401 I hope she fucking dies. All right, that's it. 1770 01:17:14,502 --> 01:17:15,769 -Let's go. -You're done? 1771 01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:19,340 Working with Greata was the worst experience of my life. 1772 01:17:19,707 --> 01:17:22,176 -She even know here lines? -You know your line? 1773 01:17:23,444 --> 01:17:25,713 -Of course I know my lines. -Can you say for me, please? 1774 01:17:28,617 --> 01:17:30,951 -Pearl? -There you go. 1775 01:17:31,051 --> 01:17:34,054 Greata did not deserve to be in this movie. 1776 01:17:34,155 --> 01:17:37,626 She had no respect for the craft or her fellow actors. 1777 01:17:37,725 --> 01:17:38,893 She didn't even remember her fucking line! 1778 01:17:38,993 --> 01:17:40,227 Okay, okay, okay. You know what I want? 1779 01:17:40,327 --> 01:17:41,695 Where's her juice? Where's her fucking-- 1780 01:17:41,795 --> 01:17:42,863 No, no, this is what we need. 1781 01:17:42,963 --> 01:17:44,599 You've done the action films, right? Okay? 1782 01:17:44,698 --> 01:17:45,900 I want you to apply some pressure. 1783 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,168 Sleeper hold. Don't let her pass out! 1784 01:17:47,268 --> 01:17:49,103 Bro, you gotta fucking microdose her! 1785 01:17:49,203 --> 01:17:50,104 Just a little bit. 1786 01:17:50,204 --> 01:17:51,472 -Give her her alcohol. -That's the microdose! 1787 01:17:51,573 --> 01:17:54,975 I wanted to be exceptional in this film. 1788 01:17:55,075 --> 01:17:56,677 And she was inhibiting me 1789 01:17:56,777 --> 01:17:59,313 from reaching my potential with this character. 1790 01:17:59,413 --> 01:18:01,182 And I have to be honest. 1791 01:18:03,150 --> 01:18:05,052 It affected me. 1792 01:18:05,452 --> 01:18:09,456 Greata, do you know how many scenes in cars I've had to do 1793 01:18:09,558 --> 01:18:13,060 to do this scene in this fucking car? 1794 01:18:13,528 --> 01:18:17,031 First you threaten me, and then you fucking yell at me! 1795 01:18:17,131 --> 01:18:18,567 I don't know who you think you are, 1796 01:18:18,667 --> 01:18:20,267 but you're messing with the wrong person. 1797 01:18:20,367 --> 01:18:22,336 You really don't wanna fucking threaten me. 1798 01:18:22,436 --> 01:18:26,707 Melvin hates Greata more than I hate Tedd. 1799 01:18:27,174 --> 01:18:31,412 My entire fucking life I worked to be here! 1800 01:18:31,513 --> 01:18:34,549 In this car? Right now? God, that must be depressing. 1801 01:18:34,649 --> 01:18:37,218 It was never-ending, all day, 1802 01:18:37,318 --> 01:18:40,487 every day. Greata, Greata, Greata. 1803 01:18:43,357 --> 01:18:44,458 She's doing fucking coke. 1804 01:18:44,559 --> 01:18:46,528 She's showing up late. It's un-fucking-believable, man! 1805 01:18:46,628 --> 01:18:47,928 Hey, calm down. 1806 01:18:48,028 --> 01:18:51,198 No, no, she's fucking up Pace's words, right? 1807 01:18:51,298 --> 01:18:55,069 She's fucking up Ivan's vision, and she's fucking up my Oscar! 1808 01:18:55,369 --> 01:18:56,737 It's fucking, God... 1809 01:18:56,837 --> 01:18:59,206 If it's meant to be, you'll get the Oscar. 1810 01:18:59,306 --> 01:19:01,742 -I am gonna get the Oscar. -That's what I'm talking about. 1811 01:19:01,842 --> 01:19:05,547 She's fucking it up, man! Pisses me off. 1812 01:19:05,647 --> 01:19:07,781 If all that wasn't enough, 1813 01:19:07,881 --> 01:19:11,051 Pace got Melvin to confess to the murders. 1814 01:19:11,151 --> 01:19:13,821 You can do it. "I strangled those three women." 1815 01:19:13,921 --> 01:19:16,023 -I strangled those three women. -"And it felt good." 1816 01:19:16,123 --> 01:19:18,292 -And it felt good. -"And it felt right." 1817 01:19:18,392 --> 01:19:20,427 -And it felt right. -"Because it was right. 1818 01:19:20,528 --> 01:19:23,063 Especially fucking Greata." 1819 01:19:23,163 --> 01:19:25,065 Oh, yeah, that one! That one! 1820 01:19:26,367 --> 01:19:27,669 Yes! Yes. 1821 01:19:27,768 --> 01:19:30,170 That one felt good. 1822 01:19:30,271 --> 01:19:33,874 When he admitted that he did the murder, 1823 01:19:33,974 --> 01:19:36,110 we didn't know whether it was maybe performance, 1824 01:19:36,210 --> 01:19:39,179 you know, he's going after that Oscar or not, 1825 01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,850 but, man, we all looked around and said, "Holy shit." 1826 01:19:44,118 --> 01:19:46,954 What do you have to say about the confession? 1827 01:19:48,657 --> 01:19:50,324 Method acting. 1828 01:19:51,292 --> 01:19:54,828 Melvin never wanted Ava, Barbera, or Greata 1829 01:19:54,928 --> 01:19:56,397 in Dissident. 1830 01:19:56,497 --> 01:20:00,200 There was only one actress he thought was right for the part. 1831 01:20:00,301 --> 01:20:03,772 And after every murder, he would pitch her to Tedd. 1832 01:20:03,871 --> 01:20:06,273 Sort of singles until we find a new actress. 1833 01:20:06,373 --> 01:20:07,875 -By the way, I talked to Tedd. -Huh? 1834 01:20:07,975 --> 01:20:09,843 -Audrey's available. -Who? 1835 01:20:09,943 --> 01:20:11,312 Audrey Evans. 1836 01:20:11,412 --> 01:20:13,380 Who is Audrey Evans? 1837 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:14,481 You feel inspired? 1838 01:20:14,582 --> 01:20:17,686 No, I don't feel inspired. I'm fucking freezing. 1839 01:20:17,786 --> 01:20:19,721 You can't take inspiration from the cold? 1840 01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:21,855 I fucking hate you. I, I fucking hate you. 1841 01:20:21,955 --> 01:20:23,692 I fantasize about you fucking dying. 1842 01:20:23,792 --> 01:20:25,794 I hope you get fucking syphilis. You probably already have it 1843 01:20:25,893 --> 01:20:27,127 because you're sleeping with Ava. 1844 01:20:27,227 --> 01:20:29,229 I fucking hate you. Everyone fucking hates you! 1845 01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:31,700 -Okay, okay, okay. -And I hope you fucking die! 1846 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,602 Now let's meet our fourth and final girl, 1847 01:20:34,703 --> 01:20:36,170 Audrey Evans. 1848 01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:38,673 Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan. 1849 01:20:38,773 --> 01:20:40,140 She's really an excellent actress. 1850 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,576 She does all her own stunts. 1851 01:20:41,676 --> 01:20:44,411 There's really very little that she has not accomplished. 1852 01:20:44,512 --> 01:20:47,881 I do think that her ending up in Dissident makes sense. 1853 01:20:47,981 --> 01:20:50,851 She's there in a way to avenge 1854 01:20:50,951 --> 01:20:52,986 her co-star from Blue Orchid, Greata, 1855 01:20:53,087 --> 01:20:55,022 who had a tragic fate on Dissident. 1856 01:20:55,122 --> 01:20:57,191 And I think, I think she kicks ass in the film. 1857 01:20:57,291 --> 01:20:59,561 I think she does a great job. 1858 01:21:00,227 --> 01:21:03,063 I was so excited to do this movie. 1859 01:21:04,164 --> 01:21:05,332 But... 1860 01:21:05,999 --> 01:21:07,868 The time has come. 1861 01:21:13,508 --> 01:21:15,008 For what? 1862 01:21:16,944 --> 01:21:18,445 It's time. 1863 01:21:19,913 --> 01:21:24,485 I'm sorry. Are we going? 1864 01:21:24,586 --> 01:21:25,520 This film was a nightmare. 1865 01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:28,222 I've never had a worse time doing something. 1866 01:21:28,322 --> 01:21:30,157 They don't give you a script. 1867 01:21:30,257 --> 01:21:31,392 They don't tell you what's happening. 1868 01:21:31,492 --> 01:21:33,695 You don't even know who else is in the scene. 1869 01:21:33,795 --> 01:21:35,295 They just go. They press record. 1870 01:21:35,396 --> 01:21:37,766 Actually, I don't even know if they ever did press record 1871 01:21:37,866 --> 01:21:39,433 because it's just constantly rolling. 1872 01:21:39,534 --> 01:21:41,736 You just go. And people are just saying shit. 1873 01:21:41,836 --> 01:21:43,437 And you just have to go with it. 1874 01:21:43,538 --> 01:21:45,874 Why are you going along with what he says? 1875 01:21:45,973 --> 01:21:47,274 Sister, I'm at the bottom of the call sheet. 1876 01:21:47,374 --> 01:21:49,343 "Sister"? What am I the fucking sister? 1877 01:21:49,443 --> 01:21:50,244 It's not my place! 1878 01:21:50,344 --> 01:21:51,746 I thought you were my fucking friend. 1879 01:21:51,846 --> 01:21:53,113 -You are a joke. -I am your friend. 1880 01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:55,048 -You fucking pussy! -Ah! I'm your friend! 1881 01:21:55,149 --> 01:21:56,383 -You're a fucking loser! -I'm your friend! 1882 01:21:56,483 --> 01:21:59,319 -You're a fucking-- -No! No! Ah! 1883 01:21:59,420 --> 01:22:01,188 -Not in the water! -I fucking hate you! 1884 01:22:01,288 --> 01:22:03,525 I thought you were my friend, you piece of shit! 1885 01:22:03,625 --> 01:22:06,795 Why are you just going along with whatever the fuck he says? 1886 01:22:09,697 --> 01:22:11,599 I have no control here. 1887 01:22:11,699 --> 01:22:12,867 What you have to understand 1888 01:22:12,966 --> 01:22:14,968 is that Audrey comes into this film, 1889 01:22:15,068 --> 01:22:16,771 I don't know, 500 days into it or something. 1890 01:22:16,871 --> 01:22:19,774 She's the fourth actress. Three actresses have died. 1891 01:22:19,874 --> 01:22:21,241 She's got a lot on her shoulders. 1892 01:22:21,341 --> 01:22:24,244 I mean, this is someone who is following in footsteps 1893 01:22:24,344 --> 01:22:25,914 that are basically tainted. 1894 01:22:26,013 --> 01:22:27,448 And finally, most fundamental, 1895 01:22:27,549 --> 01:22:29,082 have you ever been inside a Turkish prison? 1896 01:22:29,183 --> 01:22:31,351 -Why are you yelling? -Why am I yelling? 1897 01:22:31,452 --> 01:22:33,555 Because I'm fucking passionate! Why aren't you yelling? 1898 01:22:33,655 --> 01:22:38,225 After her first week on set, Audrey called me and she said, 1899 01:22:38,325 --> 01:22:41,295 "I'm going to take over this fucking movie." 1900 01:22:41,395 --> 01:22:44,866 Some people get on a bad set and they see it as a problem. 1901 01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,802 I see it as an opportunity. 1902 01:22:48,368 --> 01:22:51,972 An opportunity to take over the whole fucking production. 1903 01:22:53,575 --> 01:22:55,677 Choose a fucking side. 1904 01:22:57,545 --> 01:22:58,880 Cut! 1905 01:22:58,979 --> 01:23:01,816 Holy shit. Oh, my God. 1906 01:23:01,916 --> 01:23:03,718 Oh, calm down. It's not even loaded. 1907 01:23:03,818 --> 01:23:05,085 Sorry. 1908 01:23:05,352 --> 01:23:08,890 I started off as Audrey's assistant, 1909 01:23:08,989 --> 01:23:10,525 um, which, as we all know, 1910 01:23:10,625 --> 01:23:13,895 and you guys have seen, um, was brutal. 1911 01:23:14,027 --> 01:23:16,831 Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on! 1912 01:23:16,931 --> 01:23:18,232 Oh, God. Oh, sorry. 1913 01:23:18,332 --> 01:23:21,636 I was one of Audrey's biggest fans. 1914 01:23:21,736 --> 01:23:23,270 Oh, it's so hot. 1915 01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:24,939 Your mother called and your agent called. 1916 01:23:25,038 --> 01:23:26,674 Who would you like me to call back first? 1917 01:23:26,774 --> 01:23:27,876 -My agent. -Okay. 1918 01:23:27,976 --> 01:23:29,844 I got that. Oh, let me see. 1919 01:23:29,944 --> 01:23:32,446 I mean, I grew up looking up to her. 1920 01:23:32,547 --> 01:23:35,115 She's one of those people that does her own stunts. 1921 01:23:35,215 --> 01:23:38,820 She's like the modern day female version of Tom Cruise. 1922 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,420 She's pretty incredible and amazing. 1923 01:23:40,522 --> 01:23:43,591 Um, except she's just a terrible person. 1924 01:23:44,559 --> 01:23:45,994 I'm just really overwhelmed! 1925 01:23:46,093 --> 01:23:48,161 How is he supposed to do his job if you're standing here crying? 1926 01:23:48,262 --> 01:23:51,331 -Yeah, you think about that. -Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa! 1927 01:23:51,431 --> 01:23:54,836 Oh, my God, just go to my trailer! 1928 01:23:55,168 --> 01:23:58,071 Fuck me! Sorry, she's just... 1929 01:23:58,171 --> 01:24:00,140 I remember Audrey's first day. 1930 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,408 Pace said he wanted to test her, 1931 01:24:01,509 --> 01:24:04,278 but I think he wanted to make her quit. 1932 01:24:04,378 --> 01:24:07,381 I need less acting from the fire! 1933 01:24:07,481 --> 01:24:10,852 Down! Take it down! 1934 01:24:10,952 --> 01:24:13,788 Look, we burned through 11 Ferraris that day 1935 01:24:13,888 --> 01:24:16,024 to get a 10-second scene. 1936 01:24:16,290 --> 01:24:19,159 To Audrey, this was all insane, but to all of us, 1937 01:24:19,259 --> 01:24:22,597 this was just another typical day on Dissident. 1938 01:24:22,697 --> 01:24:25,600 You met me at a strange time in my life. 1939 01:24:29,303 --> 01:24:32,105 We were so fortunate to have Audrey. 1940 01:24:32,205 --> 01:24:33,473 She made this movie 1941 01:24:33,575 --> 01:24:36,310 and was just a pleasure to share scenes with. 1942 01:24:36,410 --> 01:24:38,813 I know Audrey hated Pace's methods, 1943 01:24:38,913 --> 01:24:40,782 but that's what it takes. 1944 01:24:40,882 --> 01:24:44,552 He does whatever he needs to get the best out of you. 1945 01:24:44,652 --> 01:24:46,486 The real question before we begin is, 1946 01:24:46,588 --> 01:24:49,691 do either of you know what a paradox is? 1947 01:24:49,791 --> 01:24:51,559 -No. -God, no. 1948 01:24:51,659 --> 01:24:53,995 And that's what he did for Audrey. 1949 01:24:54,127 --> 01:24:55,897 He challenged her. 1950 01:24:55,997 --> 01:24:58,332 Both of you are movie stars 1951 01:24:58,432 --> 01:25:00,902 and yet are completely without talent. 1952 01:25:01,002 --> 01:25:02,336 -This is a paradox. -What? 1953 01:25:02,436 --> 01:25:04,706 It's not that she's deeply untalented. 1954 01:25:04,806 --> 01:25:05,707 I won't say that. 1955 01:25:05,807 --> 01:25:08,743 I, I don't think Audrey is, is untalented. 1956 01:25:08,843 --> 01:25:10,545 The, the issue is, you know, 1957 01:25:10,645 --> 01:25:13,648 what is your talent, uh, being used for? 1958 01:25:13,748 --> 01:25:16,751 And like a cancer, uh, Audrey's talent 1959 01:25:16,851 --> 01:25:21,990 is to turn the facets of life of the film 1960 01:25:22,090 --> 01:25:23,091 in on themselves 1961 01:25:23,190 --> 01:25:25,727 and to destroy from, from within. 1962 01:25:25,827 --> 01:25:30,565 Um, so a talented girl, uh, uh, a terrible actress. 1963 01:25:30,665 --> 01:25:33,801 Whether you like him or not, Pace is the boss. 1964 01:25:34,201 --> 01:25:36,671 And Audrey always wants to be the boss. 1965 01:25:36,771 --> 01:25:37,839 She's a control freak. 1966 01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:41,375 She needs to take over everything and manipulate it. 1967 01:25:41,475 --> 01:25:44,012 I'm about to fucking direct this myself 1968 01:25:44,112 --> 01:25:45,813 if you don't fucking figure your shit out! 1969 01:25:45,913 --> 01:25:49,416 I have, like, 0% body fat, I'm fucking freezing, 1970 01:25:49,517 --> 01:25:52,386 and this has been going on way too long! 1971 01:25:53,521 --> 01:25:54,622 Ah, shit! 1972 01:25:54,722 --> 01:25:57,725 -Don't fucking touch me! -I don't know. 1973 01:25:57,825 --> 01:25:59,393 God, fuck! 1974 01:25:59,493 --> 01:26:01,829 I need you to get this pine cone down! 1975 01:26:01,929 --> 01:26:05,232 Oh, my God! Where are you going? 1976 01:26:05,332 --> 01:26:07,969 To get the pine cone down! 1977 01:26:08,268 --> 01:26:09,737 I called Tedd, crying, 1978 01:26:09,837 --> 01:26:13,206 begged him to get me out of this shit show. 1979 01:26:13,541 --> 01:26:16,110 And I'll never forget what he said. 1980 01:26:16,511 --> 01:26:19,814 He said, "The only way you're getting out of this film 1981 01:26:19,914 --> 01:26:21,549 is in a body bag." 1982 01:26:24,418 --> 01:26:27,220 You just make up your mind, I will do whatever you want. 1983 01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,290 Just choose one thing and I will fucking... 1984 01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:31,491 You'll do whatever I want? 1985 01:26:31,592 --> 01:26:32,860 I will, I will do whatever you want. 1986 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,930 That's fantastic. Quit! Quit. 1987 01:26:37,297 --> 01:26:38,498 Quit. Leave the set. 1988 01:26:38,599 --> 01:26:41,536 I can't fire you 'cause I, I already fired, uh, Barb, 1989 01:26:41,636 --> 01:26:43,071 tried to, then they killed her. 1990 01:26:43,171 --> 01:26:44,271 Greata, tried, then they killed her. 1991 01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:45,807 Well, hopefully, they'll fucking kill me. 1992 01:26:45,907 --> 01:26:48,142 I... God, you're preaching to the fucking choir! 1993 01:26:48,241 --> 01:26:49,977 But if you want to avoid that, 1994 01:26:50,078 --> 01:26:52,113 why don't you just walk off the set? 1995 01:26:52,345 --> 01:26:54,115 You know what I mean? Wouldn't that be easier? 1996 01:26:54,214 --> 01:26:55,516 You just let go. 1997 01:26:55,616 --> 01:26:57,417 Imagine someone has their hands around your throat, okay? 1998 01:26:57,518 --> 01:26:58,753 Just tell me what you want-- 1999 01:26:58,853 --> 01:27:00,287 And they're-- I want you to quit. 2000 01:27:00,387 --> 01:27:01,689 I just want you to die. You're struggling. 2001 01:27:01,789 --> 01:27:03,423 You're fighting back. Just let go. 2002 01:27:03,524 --> 01:27:06,728 Let darkness take you. Return to the void. 2003 01:27:06,828 --> 01:27:08,529 Just let go. There it is. 2004 01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:10,330 There it is. She's letting go. 2005 01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:12,867 We see that? Let go. Okay. 2006 01:27:12,967 --> 01:27:13,968 Keep letting go. 2007 01:27:14,068 --> 01:27:15,335 Beautiful. Can we roll? 2008 01:27:15,435 --> 01:27:18,873 - We rolling? Okay. Let go. - Yeah, we're rolling. 2009 01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,777 This is beautiful. All right. And action. 2010 01:27:25,445 --> 01:27:28,381 No, you're holding on. Let go. Let go! 2011 01:27:28,482 --> 01:27:30,585 No, don't make a snow angel. There it is! 2012 01:27:30,685 --> 01:27:31,552 She let go. 2013 01:27:31,652 --> 01:27:33,821 Pace can say he hated Audrey all he wants, 2014 01:27:33,921 --> 01:27:36,691 but he did all of this very intentionally to get 2015 01:27:36,791 --> 01:27:39,160 the performance out of her that he wanted. 2016 01:27:39,259 --> 01:27:40,795 And it worked. 2017 01:27:43,197 --> 01:27:46,399 If you're lucky enough to get out of here with your life, 2018 01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:49,402 you better thank whatever God you pray to. 2019 01:27:50,972 --> 01:27:52,540 You don't work with people like Audrey. 2020 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,509 You subvert them. You survive them. 2021 01:27:54,609 --> 01:27:57,111 You participate in little wars against them. 2022 01:27:57,211 --> 01:28:00,280 Small coups. You undermine them. 2023 01:28:01,215 --> 01:28:03,316 And you hope to God that they die 2024 01:28:03,416 --> 01:28:05,119 of some sort of coronary event 2025 01:28:05,219 --> 01:28:07,088 before they ever complete whatever task 2026 01:28:07,188 --> 01:28:08,856 they have set out on. 2027 01:28:11,424 --> 01:28:14,195 Which brings us to Audrey's attempted murder. 2028 01:28:14,327 --> 01:28:16,631 As you have seen, even someone as gifted 2029 01:28:16,731 --> 01:28:18,398 as gifted as The Hollywood Killer 2030 01:28:18,498 --> 01:28:21,903 was not able to complete a scene with her. 2031 01:28:22,003 --> 01:28:23,905 Or was he? 2032 01:29:41,182 --> 01:29:43,483 Despite... 2033 01:29:43,584 --> 01:29:47,420 having all of the circumstances 2034 01:29:47,521 --> 01:29:49,557 that allowed him to complete 2035 01:29:49,657 --> 01:29:53,227 these previous murders successfully abdicates. 2036 01:29:53,327 --> 01:29:56,030 Have you seen the video? He lets her go. 2037 01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:58,599 Help! 2038 01:30:02,270 --> 01:30:06,073 Help! 2039 01:30:06,473 --> 01:30:07,775 Production on Dissident wrapped 2040 01:30:07,875 --> 01:30:09,510 two days after the attempted murder, 2041 01:30:09,610 --> 01:30:11,712 and as of the recording of this interview, 2042 01:30:11,812 --> 01:30:14,414 The Hollywood Killer has stopped, 2043 01:30:14,715 --> 01:30:17,251 leading many people to believe that the killings 2044 01:30:17,351 --> 01:30:19,620 were motivated by the killer's desire 2045 01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,622 to shut down Dissident. 2046 01:30:22,256 --> 01:30:23,791 With that in mind, 2047 01:30:23,891 --> 01:30:27,427 I want to look back at all of the suspects. 2048 01:30:27,728 --> 01:30:29,730 Christopher Pace swore 2049 01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:32,767 that he would do anything to protect his film, 2050 01:30:32,867 --> 01:30:35,002 even burn it to the ground. 2051 01:30:35,102 --> 01:30:39,140 Lawrence Hughes was devastated with Ava leaving him 2052 01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,943 and vowed to destroy the film. 2053 01:30:42,043 --> 01:30:42,944 Tedd Mankiewicz, 2054 01:30:43,044 --> 01:30:45,179 with a billion-dollar divorce looming, 2055 01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:49,083 his reputation on the line, and an ego-shattering affair 2056 01:30:49,183 --> 01:30:51,052 between Dustin and Barbera, 2057 01:30:51,152 --> 01:30:55,723 some say Dissident hurt Tedd more than anyone else. 2058 01:30:55,823 --> 01:30:59,492 No one wanted the film to end more than Dustin. 2059 01:30:59,593 --> 01:31:02,363 His downward spiral of heartbreak, addiction, 2060 01:31:02,462 --> 01:31:07,467 and death took him to the edge and pushed him right off. 2061 01:31:07,735 --> 01:31:12,273 Melvin Asher, on his quest for perfection, as an actor, 2062 01:31:12,373 --> 01:31:15,676 Melvin made it clear that he would destroy anyone 2063 01:31:15,776 --> 01:31:17,845 who stood in his way. 2064 01:31:17,945 --> 01:31:19,880 When I started, I thought I was trying 2065 01:31:19,981 --> 01:31:21,949 to find something like the Zodiac Killer. 2066 01:31:22,049 --> 01:31:25,319 But the longer this went on, the more I realized this may be 2067 01:31:25,419 --> 01:31:28,322 more of a Orient Express situation. 2068 01:31:28,422 --> 01:31:30,524 All the suspects were isolated, 2069 01:31:30,624 --> 01:31:34,762 fed disinformation, then weaponized with rage. 2070 01:31:34,862 --> 01:31:37,598 Hollywood Killer's cinematic fingerprint 2071 01:31:37,698 --> 01:31:39,567 is different in each of the murders. 2072 01:31:39,667 --> 01:31:41,435 We are watching different killers 2073 01:31:41,535 --> 01:31:43,604 working from the same script. 2074 01:31:43,704 --> 01:31:46,807 But the question is, who wrote it? 2075 01:31:46,907 --> 01:31:50,444 After 20 years of profiling serial killers, 2076 01:31:50,544 --> 01:31:52,680 there's one thing I can tell you. 2077 01:31:52,780 --> 01:31:54,915 There's no way one suspect 2078 01:31:55,016 --> 01:31:56,817 could have killed all three victims. 2079 01:31:56,917 --> 01:31:59,387 And there's no way these people work together. 2080 01:31:59,487 --> 01:32:01,856 So after considering all possibilities, 2081 01:32:01,956 --> 01:32:04,458 only one person stood to benefit 2082 01:32:04,558 --> 01:32:06,394 from all three deaths. 2083 01:32:06,494 --> 01:32:08,796 The man who owns 20% of the film, 2084 01:32:08,896 --> 01:32:11,532 who kept the cameras rolling the whole time, 2085 01:32:11,632 --> 01:32:14,568 and used the murders of these three actresses 2086 01:32:14,668 --> 01:32:18,072 to launch the most impactful marketing campaign 2087 01:32:18,172 --> 01:32:20,007 in cinema history. 2088 01:32:24,045 --> 01:32:26,213 They say there's nothing more deceptive 2089 01:32:26,313 --> 01:32:27,815 than an obvious fact. 2090 01:32:27,915 --> 01:32:31,852 And the fact is the mastermind of all of this 2091 01:32:31,952 --> 01:32:36,023 was there the whole time, hiding in plain sight. 2092 01:32:36,123 --> 01:32:38,726 I've been working on this documentary for a long time. 2093 01:32:38,826 --> 01:32:41,896 And I think when it comes out and people see this, 2094 01:32:41,996 --> 01:32:44,598 they're going to think that you did this on purpose. 2095 01:32:45,166 --> 01:32:46,867 You know what? 2096 01:32:46,967 --> 01:32:51,205 This world is all about the court of public opinion. 2097 01:32:51,305 --> 01:32:53,074 And I'm not interested in it. 2098 01:32:53,174 --> 01:32:55,743 I'm just interested in creating art. 2099 01:32:55,843 --> 01:32:58,946 Hopefully, my work will be judged by the art that I leave, 2100 01:32:59,046 --> 01:33:00,147 that I create. 2101 01:33:00,247 --> 01:33:02,416 There's no denying that. Dissident is a masterpiece 2102 01:33:02,517 --> 01:33:05,453 and the biggest movie of all time. 2103 01:33:05,554 --> 01:33:07,556 And it changed the film industry forever. 2104 01:33:07,655 --> 01:33:11,092 I know. I think that's my legacy. 2105 01:33:14,061 --> 01:33:15,763 So I guess the question I wanna know, 2106 01:33:15,863 --> 01:33:17,932 and I guess the question everybody wants to know, is, 2107 01:33:18,032 --> 01:33:20,234 did you know this was gonna happen? 2108 01:33:25,372 --> 01:33:28,309 Every great cinematic villain has that moment 2109 01:33:28,409 --> 01:33:29,877 when they reveal their plan. 2110 01:33:29,977 --> 01:33:33,147 They do it because they know, no matter what they say, 2111 01:33:33,247 --> 01:33:34,648 you can't stop it. 2112 01:33:34,748 --> 01:33:37,451 But Demy's plan was to change Hollywood forever. 2113 01:33:37,552 --> 01:33:38,886 And he did that. 2114 01:33:38,986 --> 01:33:42,123 Give someone a mirror and they will see themselves. 2115 01:33:42,223 --> 01:33:45,126 Give them art and you will see their soul. 2116 01:33:45,226 --> 01:33:49,531 And now his masterpiece is complete. 2117 01:33:49,630 --> 01:33:53,267 We burned through $90 million of film. 2118 01:33:53,535 --> 01:33:54,702 If you ruin this movie, 2119 01:33:54,802 --> 01:33:55,903 I'll have you killed. 2120 01:33:56,003 --> 01:33:57,471 What does it take to be an actor? 2121 01:33:57,572 --> 01:33:58,706 Do you think I'm gonna die? 2122 01:33:58,806 --> 01:34:00,307 I got that murder energy. 2123 01:34:00,407 --> 01:34:02,943 Does yelling make a scene good? 2124 01:34:03,043 --> 01:34:04,546 The only way you're getting out of here 2125 01:34:04,645 --> 01:34:05,746 is in a body bag. 2126 01:34:05,846 --> 01:34:07,114 There are no second takes in life. 2127 01:34:07,214 --> 01:34:09,551 It's unfortunate the way it is all laid out. 2128 01:34:11,553 --> 01:34:12,820 I don't want to die. 2129 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,156 I miss her more than any human being 2130 01:34:15,256 --> 01:34:16,357 that's ever lived. 2131 01:34:16,457 --> 01:34:18,025 They hear that level of passion. 2132 01:34:18,125 --> 01:34:19,760 They hear that level of commitment. 2133 01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:21,729 And they want to be involved in it. 2134 01:34:21,829 --> 01:34:23,197 Why do you watch this? 2135 01:34:23,297 --> 01:34:25,466 What I'm here for is for that image. 2136 01:34:25,567 --> 01:34:27,768 Now we're going to have to improvise. 2137 01:34:27,868 --> 01:34:29,937 You find out about three women 2138 01:34:30,037 --> 01:34:32,173 starring in this one movie all die. 2139 01:34:32,273 --> 01:34:34,074 You don't get news like that every day. 2140 01:34:34,175 --> 01:34:35,743 Making a film requires 2141 01:34:35,843 --> 01:34:37,278 the greatest sacrifice. 2142 01:34:37,378 --> 01:34:39,947 He might be the best director that we've ever seen. 2143 01:34:40,047 --> 01:34:41,650 And it's often reputation. 2144 01:34:41,749 --> 01:34:43,284 That's the intent of all my work. 2145 01:34:43,384 --> 01:34:46,621 I can just do things that I normally... 2146 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,022 Do you know how many actresses 2147 01:34:48,122 --> 01:34:49,924 have died trying to make this film? 2148 01:34:50,024 --> 01:34:52,026 It's the greatest story ever told. 2149 01:34:52,126 --> 01:34:54,596 And Hollywood didn't write it. 175291

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