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Between 2018
and 2022,
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three actresses were murdered
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during production
of the film Dissident
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by an individual known
as The Hollywood Killer.
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THK attempted a fourth murder
on actress Audrey Evans,
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who escaped and went on
to finish the film.
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The only evidence that exists
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is the footage of the murders
that THK filmed
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and outtakes
from the film Dissident.
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The case remains unsolved.
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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Cut, don't move, stay there.
Dustin,
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I got a question for you.
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-Are you a killer?
-Yes.
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Yeah? Let me see your eyes.
I can't see them.
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Look at me. Are you a killer?
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-Yes.
-Go back over there.
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-Are you a fucking killer?
-Yes.
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That's crazy 'cause I don't
fucking believe you.
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-Are you a killer?
-Yes.
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- Are you a killer?
- Yes.
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-You're a killer?
-Yes!
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- You're gonna kill for me?
- Yes.
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-You're gonna kill for me?
-Yes.
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Okay. Wait.
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Roll camera.-.
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You a killer, Dustin?
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Yes.
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Action.
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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My name
is Thomas Scott.
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I'm a former FBI agent.
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And when I was at the Bureau,
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I had the highest success rate
of any profiler in history.
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I caught
every single serial killer
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I ever chased, except for one.
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This one,
The Hollywood Killer.
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Also known as THK,
he became famous
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because of the cinematic nature
of his crimes.
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He was the first serial killer
ever to film the murders
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and upload them
to the Internet.
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But why is he so hard to catch?
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Is it the lack of evidence? No.
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I've solved plenty of cases
with very little evidence.
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The real challenge lies
in the unconventional
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and peculiar nature
of the suspects.
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And let me just say,
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this is the strangest group
of suspects I've ever seen.
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Christopher Pace,
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the writer
and director of Dissident
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and a six-time Oscar winner.
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Lawrence Hughes,
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one of the most respected
actors in the world.
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Tedd Mankiewicz,
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the most powerful manager
in Hollywood.
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Dustin Scott,
a former teen heartthrob.
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And Melvin Asher,
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the biggest
box office star ever.
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And one of them could be
responsible for the murders
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of three of the most famous
actresses in history.
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Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball,
and Greata Daniels.
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It's important to understand
what connects everyone.
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And the thing that links
the suspects,
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the victims, and the killer
all together
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is the film Dissident,
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a film which has made history
for a variety of reasons.
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The first being that
the original director,
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Christopher Demy,
did something
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that he had never
done before,
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that no one
had ever done before.
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He was going to let
the cameras roll
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when no one knew
they were rolling.
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The only people that knew
was the guy who loads the film
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and Ivan
who's shooting the film.
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The writer didn't know.
The actors didn't know.
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No one else knew.
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All of the outtakes
have become evidence
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in the largest murder case
in history.
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So Demy, right at
the beginning of the project,
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instructed me very clearly
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that the camera
was never to be cut.
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And, at first, it sounded
very strange.
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I've never done that before.
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I've shot everything
in my life.
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But not cutting a camera
just makes no sense.
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Now, he was right
because what he was after
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was the magic that happens
in between the shots,
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in between the takes.
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So this film shot
the most feet of film
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ever in history.
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The logistic is complicated,
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but the camera
was never to cut.
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So everything was rolling
at all times.
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So how do you feel
about the fact
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that the cameras were rolling
the whole time?
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Uh, you know, I think it's
ultimately, uh, irrelevant,
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how do I feel.
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Uh, clearly, I'm not
a performer.
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It's not what I get enjoyment
or pleasure out of.
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So I think that there's
this misconception
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about the way
that I conduct myself
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is, in and of itself,
a performance
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that I was aware that
the cameras were rolling.
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Uh, nothing could be further
from the truth.
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Uh, unfortunately,
what you are getting
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is, um, unadulterated,
uh, reality.
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You are getting me as I am
in those moments.
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Or I will make the blood
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come out of your fucking mouth
for real.
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You got it.
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You ever bled
like this?
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You.. Yeah.
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-Yeah? You bled like this?
-You already got it.
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Think about the last time
you bled like this, okay?
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Think about it.
Just think about it, okay?
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Again. Come on!
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-Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no!
-Okay, can I go?
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You got to stop
running away from it, okay?
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Don't be afraid of it!
Stay with it!
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Again!
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- Uh-huh.
- Okay--
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No, no. It looks like you're
going to have a fucking orgasm.
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Thank you, guys!
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Get back down in the blood!
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Get the fuck
back in the blood!
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- Bye!
- Greata, I swear to God!
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Come back here!
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If any of us knew the cameras
were rolling at all times,
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none of us would have acted
the way we did.
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I'm excited that
all this footage exists,
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because it shows you the hell
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that we go through
just to entertain people.
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- Marty? Marty!
- Yeah.
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Listen to me.
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I can feel your effort
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to drive straight through
the rubber and aluminum.
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Do not drive like an actor,
Marty!
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Hold the window.
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- Do not drive like an actor!
- Go away!
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- Drive like a fucking man!
- Go away!
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Drive like a man!
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In the history of movie making,
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I've never seen anything
like this happen.
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I mean, I've made 218 movies.
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I've filmed in 40 countries
in the world.
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I've had six fucking wives,
and this is unprecedented.
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You can't talk
about Hollywood lore
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without talking
about three films.
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Apocalypse Now, The Wizard
of Oz, and Dissident.
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But to understand why
Dissident is on that list,
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we have to meet
the original architect,
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Christopher Demy.
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Can you tell me
a little bit
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about who you are
and what you do?
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I'm an auteur.
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You know what that means?
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That means someone who has
a clear vision
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of the kind of films
they want to make.
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And the films I make are big,
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and people seem to like them.
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Demy is one of
the top-grossing directors
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of all time,
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but Dissident was written
by one
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of the hottest screenwriters
in the world,
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Christopher Pace.
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So I was excited to ask Pace
what he thought about Demy.
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He's a lost little boy.
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Um, still playing with toys,
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believing that big explosions
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and, uh, rotating cameras
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and putting things in reverse
make a film.
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He is an artist
in search of art.
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Um, I don't know what to say
about that.
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I will let the hearsay,
the pundits, the Internet,
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your mama,
say whatever they want to say.
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I know who I am.
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It's easy to say they're not
fans of each other.
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Maybe the biggest issue
between them was the fact
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that Demy
kept the cameras rolling
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without Pace's knowledge.
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Pace claimed that Demy used
the controversy
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around the outtakes
and their feud
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to turn the film
into a social commentary.
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So I asked him,
"What does it mean?"
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Everyone wants to know,
"What does it mean?
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What does it mean?"
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It's whatever the fuck
you want it to mean.
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It's like, what the fuck?
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I'm not supposed to do
all the work for you.
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I'm supposed to lay out the art.
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I know what the fuck
I know what it means,
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but people, "But wait,
was it this?"
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They stop me on the street.
I can't go to Starbucks.
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"Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?"
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I'm like, "I don't know."
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It could mean
female independence.
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It could mean liberation.
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It could mean,
uh, deconstructive masculinity.
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You name it.
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Whatever it is,
that's what I'm happy with.
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I create the art.
You create the interpretation.
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All I know is that what I did
on this film
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will be deconstructed,
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and reinterpreted, and pondered
for many, many years
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in film schools
across this land.
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I was there the day Demy
walked away from the film.
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It was the day
that I would never forget
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and it was the day
that changed the film forever.
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The phone booth day.
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Listen to me, Demy!
How about that?
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How about if I just talked
to you
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and told you
that I am not a writer,
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nor am I a hero?
I am the fucking devil!
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Yeah, two Oscars.
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I melted 'em down into a pen
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and I wrote this fucking script
with it!
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I don't give a fuck
about your Oscars!
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And if you could honestly
tell me that this scene,
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the way it's going,
the way he's doing it,
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isn't fucking dog shit,
then I will walk away
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and let you piss all over
my dream.
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I won't shoot until you get down
on your knees and pray to me.
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You want to get a new phone
booth in here, maybe?
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So after we wrap tonight,
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I'm going to come
to your fucking hotel room,
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room 246,
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and I will beat you
until you fucking love me!
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You're not a fucking...
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You see that? That was...
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You're fucking trash.
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You fucking ingest it
over and over again
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while I'm throwing the fuck up
on you.
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I'm fucking vomiting it all
back to you!
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You're fucked up!
That's not fucking art!
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Fuck you! Fuck you!
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Oh, in the beginning,
Demy and Pace were a dream team.
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They were great.
They got along really well.
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But, you know, even Pippen
talks shit on Jordan now.
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I hate this man.
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-Mm-hmm.
-I would love to beat him.
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The only reason I can't is
because of...
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Well, some obscure DJ law,
you're not supposed
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to fucking kick the shit
out of
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Um, this is
an awful environment,
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and I apologize for that.
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The moment Pace
walked into that phone booth
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was the moment Demy walked
off set.
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Forever.
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When Demy quit,
Hollywood was riddled
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with speculation as to why
this massive director
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would walk
from such a big movie.
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Those people have
no idea where I come from
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and the kind of worlds
that I create
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and the kind
of sets that I create.
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The real reason why I quit is
because I just couldn't take
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working with Pace.
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So I left the film,
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and the press
labeled me as a monster.
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You know, I'm not
even gonna name the monsters,
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but there are many monsters
in this industry
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and I'm definitely not one
of them.
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At this point, we were
three weeks behind schedule
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after two weeks of shooting.
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You do that math.
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I knew from the first
production meeting
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that Pace and Demy would never
be able to work together.
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The only one who understands
Dissident is Pace.
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You'll never be
able to understand Dissident
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without understanding
a theatrical technique
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called theater of cruelty.
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That is what Dissident is.
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Dissident is theater
of cruelty.
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The principle conceit
of theater of cruelty
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was to create
theatrical pieces
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that were so shocking,
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that were so upsetting,
grotesque, uh, and powerful
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that the audience did not
have the opportunity to think.
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They had nothing to do
but live, but to exist,
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but to experience
what they were seeing.
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I told Demy,
just like I told Mocker,
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just like I told Mankiewicz,
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that nobody could shoot this
movie but me.
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And yet Demy, finding himself
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caught between the Scylla
and Charybdis,
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the crashing rocks
of my creation
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and the sea monster
of trying to interpret it,
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he realizes that he's drowning
and he starts a fight with me.
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He wanted a reason
to walk off that set.
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And I gave it to him.
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So when Demy quit before he
walked out of the set,
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he pulled me aside
and he made me promise
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that I would keep rolling
the camera in between takes.
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So I did.
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We started working together.
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You said one thing, you said,
"I make it look good," okay?
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But this does not look good.
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You don't let me make it
look good.
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I don't let you?
How could I stop you?
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You choose the lenses.
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Of course I'm gonna choose
the lenses.
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This is my fucking film.
It is my job.
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-It's my lens, though.
-No, no, no.
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I feel like you really struggle
with object permanence, okay?
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It's not your lens.
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What Demy didn't know
when he asked Ivan to do this
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was that this footage would
lead to Christopher Pace
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being a murder suspect
and would soon be part
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of one of the largest
murder investigations
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in Hollywood history.
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But let's start
with Pace taking over
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as the director
of Dissident.
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You're here, right?
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Like this and then boom,
like that.
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-Did you see me?
-Yeah.
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But it's a motion! It comes up!
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Ow!
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I still remember the day
that Pace took over.
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It is a day that will live
in infamy
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as the worst day of my life.
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Give me your hand.
This one, right here.
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-All right, ready?
-Yeah.
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-Put your finger out like that.
-Yeah.
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All right?
Now I want you to poke me.
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Poke me. Come on. Poke me.
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-Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh.
-Mm-hmm.
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-It's getting difficult, right?
-Yeah.
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Why don't you fucking poke me?
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Right? Okay.
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Now I want you to ask me to do
the same thing.
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I want you to poke me.
Ah, fucker!
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-Stop trying to win, Dustin.
-God damn.
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And fucking listen to me.
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Pace made my life a living hell.
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I remember getting a call
from Dustin's manager
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saying that he was trying
to kill him with a helicopter.
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Personally, I thought
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the helicopter
should have been closer,
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but the film industry
is full of pussies.
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Pace is one of the smartest
directors out there.
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He knows everything
about everything in film.
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He did his homework.
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He's a contemporary
of Tarantino in that way.
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He's younger,
but he's as smart,
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and he has a really,
really deep perception.
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He used the neorealist aspect
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in order to reinvent cinema
from himself.
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And here's something that Pace
said to me at one point,
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which I think is interesting.
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There's a quote from Chaplin,
famous quote.
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Life when viewed in close-up
is a tragedy,
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and in long shot,
it is a, uh, a comedy.
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Pace said to me,
"Chaplin got it wrong.
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"In close-up, it's a comedy.
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In long shot,
that's when it's a tragedy."
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The thing
that people don't realize
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is they're just
playing checkers.
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Pace is playing
four-dimensional chess.
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Okay, Zeus,
I need you
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in conversation with the wind.
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I want you to think about, uh,
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it's like
My Dinner with Andre.
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Give me Wallace Shawn!
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That's beautiful!
Beautiful work.
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00:17:48,335 --> 00:17:50,872
Okay, Audrey,
I want you to know
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that the helicopter pilot
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has a better understanding
of human emotion than you do.
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00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:58,613
You're a titan of banality!
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00:17:58,713 --> 00:18:01,716
Hey, you know what, Ivan?
Ivan, I don't...
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Just film something.
I don't even care anymore.
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Just shoot it.
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Every director has their tactic,
their, their method.
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And Pace says
he's a Meisner guy,
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and he's really method,
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and he likes to exist
in the, the situation.
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But, really, his tactics
are a lot like Mein Kampf,
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you know, like, like Hitler.
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Like, he's the son of Hitler,
I'm pretty sure.
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We get these
constant comparisons
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to the Fourth Reich,
to the Nazis, to Hitler.
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Um, when these comparisons
are made,
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it's about methodology, right?
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Because the prevailing
mythology
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around the fascists is,
yes, they were awful,
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yes, they were brutes,
yes, they were genocidal,
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but the trains ran on time,
but they got things done.
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So I get this comparison,
I assume,
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because the idea
is that I am brutal,
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but I get things done.
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Well, I get things done
not because of cruelty,
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not because I am willing
to wipe out people
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in order to accomplish
my goals, no, no, no.
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It is perpetual motion.
It is Oppenheim.
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I am become death.
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Because once something
has, uh, begun,
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once, once the ball
is rolling,
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it has to reach
its conclusion.
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And that is, that is how I work.
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00:19:25,667 --> 00:19:29,537
Once I have begun,
uh, I will not be stopped.
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00:19:29,971 --> 00:19:31,973
This is not about you.
You know what is about you?
402
00:19:32,073 --> 00:19:33,841
This moment, this scene, okay?
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00:19:33,941 --> 00:19:35,143
So I want you to focus on that.
404
00:19:35,242 --> 00:19:36,811
I don't give a shit about
anything else around it.
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00:19:36,911 --> 00:19:38,012
No, no, no. This.
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00:19:38,112 --> 00:19:39,246
You know why I put
the gloves on?
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00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:40,414
-No.
-So that I can hurt you
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00:19:40,515 --> 00:19:42,215
without leaving marks
on my skin.
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00:19:42,583 --> 00:19:44,886
Pace didn't care
what the scene was.
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00:19:44,986 --> 00:19:47,855
I mean, hell, he'd have walked
in on the birth of Christ
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and given Mary instructions
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00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:51,826
how she could do it better
and with more meaning.
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00:19:51,926 --> 00:19:53,193
You know what, Dustin?
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00:19:53,293 --> 00:19:55,262
I've been watching the monitor
and it seems to me
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00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:57,131
that you're starting
to perspire.
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00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:59,399
Does that seem accurate to you?
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00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:01,234
I'm having an issue
with the sweat.
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00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:02,436
I need you to stop that.
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00:20:02,537 --> 00:20:04,237
I mean, for us,
a cut was never a cut.
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00:20:04,337 --> 00:20:06,574
We just kept the camera rolling
all the time
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00:20:06,674 --> 00:20:08,042
because we got
some great stuff,
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00:20:08,142 --> 00:20:09,744
because Pace
was compelling people
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00:20:09,844 --> 00:20:12,780
to do things they might not
have wanted to do.
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00:20:13,114 --> 00:20:17,350
Yeah, Pace had a way of taking
anything and everything
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00:20:17,451 --> 00:20:18,686
that brought you joy
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00:20:18,786 --> 00:20:20,688
and just drowning it
in darkness.
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00:20:20,788 --> 00:20:22,322
-Are you crying?
-No, I'm not crying--
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00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:24,992
No, no, no. No, no.
There's no crying.
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00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:26,527
There's no crying in filmmaking!
430
00:20:26,627 --> 00:20:28,462
No! There's no crying in film!
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00:20:28,563 --> 00:20:31,465
There is crying on film!
On film, never in film.
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What I say to my actors
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is between us.
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00:20:39,173 --> 00:20:42,076
It has no bearing on anything
435
00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:45,378
but what you see
in that frame.
436
00:20:45,847 --> 00:20:47,548
There's a lot of tension
between you guys.
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00:20:49,016 --> 00:20:51,351
Normally that would be okay.
In this section, not good.
438
00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:53,453
Okay? So I need you to release
the tension.
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00:20:53,554 --> 00:20:54,789
At the end of the next take,
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00:20:54,889 --> 00:20:57,892
I just want the two of you guys
to just have sex, okay?
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00:20:57,992 --> 00:20:59,292
And we're gonna film it,
442
00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:01,361
but be prepared to stop
and start
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00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:04,198
because I will have adjustments
specifically for you.
444
00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:06,200
Hey, pay attention, okay?
445
00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:08,335
Pace is one
of the most mysterious people
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00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:09,504
I've ever investigated.
447
00:21:09,604 --> 00:21:12,073
He's an orphan with no family,
448
00:21:12,173 --> 00:21:15,308
no friends,
and no discernible past.
449
00:21:15,408 --> 00:21:19,346
In fact, the only person
we could find to interview
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00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:22,083
who knew him
before he was famous
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00:21:22,183 --> 00:21:23,718
was his college roommate.
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00:21:24,886 --> 00:21:26,220
My name is Randall Birch.
453
00:21:26,353 --> 00:21:27,622
I'm a Tony Award-winning actor.
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00:21:27,722 --> 00:21:30,357
That means I perform
on the stage.
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00:21:30,625 --> 00:21:33,460
And Christopher Pace
was my college roommate.
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00:21:33,561 --> 00:21:36,296
I would describe
living with Christopher Pace
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00:21:36,396 --> 00:21:41,102
as, as a FOG:
Fear, Obligation, Guilt.
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00:21:41,202 --> 00:21:44,071
He was masterful
at getting anyone
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00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:45,573
besides myself, I would say,
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00:21:45,673 --> 00:21:49,744
to do exactly what he wanted,
no matter how depraved.
461
00:21:49,844 --> 00:21:52,479
They were like cult members,
and he was a cult leader.
462
00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:56,584
When I saw the first video
posted on social media of Ava,
463
00:21:56,684 --> 00:22:00,387
I immediately called the LAPD,
and I told them,
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00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:02,790
Christopher Pace is the one
that did this murder.
465
00:22:02,890 --> 00:22:05,560
It was filmed exactly like how
Christopher would film
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00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:07,460
everything that went on
in our house.
467
00:22:07,562 --> 00:22:10,264
I think it's fascinating
that we've had
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00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,600
famous serial killers
throughout time,
469
00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,504
and yet no one else filmed
the act.
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00:22:17,538 --> 00:22:22,743
I think the idea
that Christopher Pace did that
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00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:25,012
makes a lot of sense to me.
472
00:22:25,112 --> 00:22:26,180
I can tell you this.
473
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,349
Pace is definitely a murderer.
474
00:22:29,784 --> 00:22:31,451
I just don't know
if he's the murderer.
475
00:22:31,552 --> 00:22:34,055
I will stab you
in the fucking throat, Tedd.
476
00:22:34,155 --> 00:22:35,289
-I will do it. Okay?
-Do it.
477
00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:36,456
You'll never work again. Do it.
478
00:22:36,557 --> 00:22:38,025
I don't need to work.
I could work in prison.
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00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:39,227
I'd put on a prison play
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00:22:39,327 --> 00:22:40,561
that would win a fucking Oscar,
all right?
481
00:22:40,661 --> 00:22:42,163
And I would fuck
all the inmates.
482
00:22:42,263 --> 00:22:44,397
Is he out of his fucking mind?
483
00:22:44,497 --> 00:22:45,833
No doubt about it.
484
00:22:45,933 --> 00:22:49,937
But when you're a genius,
people have to tolerate you.
485
00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:52,173
And that's what Pace is.
486
00:22:52,273 --> 00:22:53,841
He's a genius.
487
00:22:54,108 --> 00:22:57,477
I am all things to all people.
488
00:22:58,512 --> 00:23:00,413
I am Mother.
489
00:23:00,514 --> 00:23:02,415
I am Father.
490
00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:07,588
I am killer, I am saint,
I am devil, I am savior.
491
00:23:07,989 --> 00:23:12,627
I am Idi Amin
and I am also Gandhi.
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00:23:12,727 --> 00:23:14,929
-You know what this is?
-That's film.
493
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:16,063
Yeah, this is the film
494
00:23:16,163 --> 00:23:17,698
from that really tight
profile shot I got of you.
495
00:23:17,798 --> 00:23:19,333
I just ripped it out
of the fucking camera.
496
00:23:19,432 --> 00:23:20,735
-You know why I did that?
-No.
497
00:23:20,835 --> 00:23:23,237
Because I can't fucking use it.
498
00:23:23,337 --> 00:23:25,640
I can't use any of this shit,
Dustin.
499
00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:27,875
Because Pace didn't start
as the director,
500
00:23:27,975 --> 00:23:30,011
he didn't get to choose
the cast.
501
00:23:30,111 --> 00:23:34,015
But the one person he did get
was Ava Bergman.
502
00:23:35,683 --> 00:23:37,551
I ain't afraid of dying.
503
00:23:37,652 --> 00:23:39,520
I already done it.
504
00:23:42,523 --> 00:23:44,892
Ava was Pace's muse.
505
00:23:44,992 --> 00:23:48,062
The whole movie, the whole
concept of the movie was her.
506
00:23:48,162 --> 00:23:52,600
I don't want to say that I wrote
the role for her
507
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,903
because I don't write roles
for actors.
508
00:23:56,003 --> 00:23:59,507
I am, I am haunted
by a character.
509
00:23:59,607 --> 00:24:02,410
They live inside my, my brain.
510
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:04,011
Uh, they destroy my life.
511
00:24:04,111 --> 00:24:08,950
And then to prevent suicide,
I write them onto a paper.
512
00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:13,154
And when I finished
with this, with this woman,
513
00:24:13,254 --> 00:24:14,355
uh, she was Ava.
514
00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:15,656
Talk to me. What do you need?
515
00:24:15,756 --> 00:24:18,092
Uh, I'm just not sure that I...
516
00:24:18,192 --> 00:24:20,161
-What?
-Okay. Um--
517
00:24:20,261 --> 00:24:21,329
You're not sure that what?
518
00:24:21,429 --> 00:24:24,765
That I really understand, uh,
the character at this point.
519
00:24:24,865 --> 00:24:27,268
You are the character.
What is there to understand?
520
00:24:27,368 --> 00:24:28,803
She was his Scarlet Empress.
521
00:24:28,903 --> 00:24:33,674
She was his Marlene Dietrich
to Josef von Sternberg.
522
00:24:33,774 --> 00:24:36,243
If von Sternberg
had lost Dietrich,
523
00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:37,979
this would have been
a big hole
524
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:39,146
in the history of cinema
525
00:24:39,246 --> 00:24:42,482
uh, and some images that were
amazing and shocking.
526
00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:46,587
I think it was a real blow,
um, to Pace
527
00:24:46,687 --> 00:24:47,788
uh, when this happened.
528
00:24:47,888 --> 00:24:51,325
And I think that it turned him
529
00:24:51,425 --> 00:24:53,995
into a dissident
toward his own movie,
530
00:24:54,095 --> 00:24:55,162
which was Dissident.
531
00:24:55,262 --> 00:24:56,864
Quit ripping the film
out of the fucking camera!
532
00:24:56,964 --> 00:24:58,566
What are you going to use
it for, Tedd?
533
00:24:58,666 --> 00:24:59,767
Quit ripping the fuckin' film!
534
00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:01,602
What do you want me
to do with it, Tedd?
535
00:25:01,702 --> 00:25:02,970
At least look at the dailies,
motherfucker!
536
00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:04,839
I don't need to see the dailies!
I do all the scenes, Tedd!
537
00:25:04,939 --> 00:25:07,675
People think Pace's
issues started with Barbera,
538
00:25:07,775 --> 00:25:09,343
but the fact of the matter is
539
00:25:09,443 --> 00:25:11,879
it wasn't all sunshine
and rainbows with Ava, either.
540
00:25:11,979 --> 00:25:15,049
Pace was in pursuit
of perfection.
541
00:25:15,149 --> 00:25:18,352
And from what I saw,
Ava couldn't give it to him.
542
00:25:18,452 --> 00:25:19,787
-I think we can drill down...
-Okay.
543
00:25:19,887 --> 00:25:21,288
...and start doing
something interesting.
544
00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:24,458
I need, I need, I need somebody,
I need somebody to literally,
545
00:25:24,558 --> 00:25:25,793
like, call my therapist
546
00:25:25,893 --> 00:25:27,561
because, like, she knows that
when I'm stressed out,
547
00:25:27,661 --> 00:25:28,929
like, I need, like,
a breathing exercise...
548
00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:31,298
I think you need to act
when you're stressed out.
549
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:32,700
I think you need to let it go.
550
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,868
No, I don't think that I should.
551
00:25:33,968 --> 00:25:35,369
This is beautiful,
but you gotta let it out.
552
00:25:35,469 --> 00:25:39,740
From my research, Pace never
had an issue with her acting.
553
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,176
He had an issue
with her boyfriend,
554
00:25:42,276 --> 00:25:44,045
a man who many people say
555
00:25:44,145 --> 00:25:46,380
is the greatest actor
of all time.
556
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,617
Our next suspect,
Lawrence Hughes.
557
00:25:50,718 --> 00:25:53,587
Welcome to the picture show!
558
00:25:56,057 --> 00:25:59,226
Lawrence is a unique suspect
for three reasons.
559
00:25:59,326 --> 00:26:02,963
Number one, he was not
in the film, Dissident.
560
00:26:03,064 --> 00:26:05,566
Two, I was not able
to interview him
561
00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:08,903
while at the FBI
or for this documentary.
562
00:26:09,203 --> 00:26:12,106
And, finally,
the day before Ava's murder,
563
00:26:12,206 --> 00:26:15,943
he disappeared
and has not been seen since.
564
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:18,212
So to understand Lawrence,
565
00:26:18,312 --> 00:26:21,582
let's start with
his relationship with Pace.
566
00:26:22,183 --> 00:26:24,285
The only way to describe
Lawrence and Pace
567
00:26:24,385 --> 00:26:26,120
is the same type of relationship
568
00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:28,456
that Werner Herzog had
with Klaus Kinski.
569
00:26:28,557 --> 00:26:31,058
Herzog and Kinski were at each
other's throats all the time.
570
00:26:31,158 --> 00:26:33,694
They fought constantly.
They pulled guns on each other.
571
00:26:33,794 --> 00:26:35,229
They threatened
to kill each other,
572
00:26:35,329 --> 00:26:36,730
walk off movies, et cetera.
573
00:26:36,831 --> 00:26:41,902
But they made five films
together between 1972 and '87.
574
00:26:42,002 --> 00:26:44,171
And they were good, good movies.
575
00:26:44,271 --> 00:26:46,707
Lawrence and Pace
made The Last Great Actor,
576
00:26:46,807 --> 00:26:48,476
which some people consider
577
00:26:48,577 --> 00:26:51,546
to be the greatest film
ever made.
578
00:26:51,846 --> 00:26:54,815
And often compared
to Citizen Kane.
579
00:26:54,915 --> 00:26:58,052
But the truth is,
without Lawrence's star power,
580
00:26:58,152 --> 00:27:00,054
there wouldn't have been
a film.
581
00:27:00,154 --> 00:27:03,891
And without that film,
there would be no Pace.
582
00:27:04,291 --> 00:27:06,994
Reality is that movie wouldn't
have been made without him.
583
00:27:07,094 --> 00:27:08,629
I was nobody.
584
00:27:08,729 --> 00:27:11,298
And he took a massive risk
by signing on to it.
585
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,034
And despite everything that's
happened between us since,
586
00:27:14,135 --> 00:27:16,203
I will always be grateful
to him for that.
587
00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:19,673
When Lawrence signed on
to do The Last Great Actor,
588
00:27:19,773 --> 00:27:21,041
I was shocked.
589
00:27:21,142 --> 00:27:26,046
Um, he had not done a movie
that small in a long time.
590
00:27:26,147 --> 00:27:28,382
Lawrence is great
in every movie he does.
591
00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:32,853
But in this one, he delivered
the performance of a lifetime.
592
00:27:33,154 --> 00:27:36,790
When I was a kid, you know,
I had this little bunk bed.
593
00:27:36,891 --> 00:27:40,394
And my, uh, my brother
would sleep underneath me.
594
00:27:42,196 --> 00:27:44,165
So I climbed down one night.
I couldn't sleep.
595
00:27:44,265 --> 00:27:45,799
I was thinking
about scary stuff, you know?
596
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:51,105
And, uh, there's this little
sculpture of a rattlesnake.
597
00:27:51,205 --> 00:27:53,674
It was my dad's favorite,
favorite sculpture.
598
00:27:53,774 --> 00:27:56,443
He got it in Arizona.
I don't know.
599
00:27:56,911 --> 00:27:58,679
I wanted to see it.
I wanted to play with it.
600
00:27:58,779 --> 00:28:01,215
So I grabbed it down
and I looked at it.
601
00:28:01,315 --> 00:28:04,553
And all of a sudden,
it slipped from my hands
602
00:28:04,653 --> 00:28:07,154
and just shattered
into a million pieces.
603
00:28:09,423 --> 00:28:11,325
All of a sudden, my...
604
00:28:11,626 --> 00:28:13,194
My dad flings open the door
605
00:28:13,294 --> 00:28:16,631
and he makes his face
just like this.
606
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:18,699
And his hands got so big!
607
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,802
And then he started wailing
on me and my brother!
608
00:28:21,902 --> 00:28:24,371
Just beating
the living piss out of us!
609
00:28:24,471 --> 00:28:26,874
And my brother's
in the corner of the bed just,
610
00:28:26,974 --> 00:28:30,945
"Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no!
611
00:28:32,012 --> 00:28:33,948
No!"
612
00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:37,384
And then my dad just shuts
the door and he leaves!
613
00:28:38,719 --> 00:28:40,921
And there's my brother, Luke,
614
00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:45,226
and he's in the corner,
and he's just like, "Why?
615
00:28:45,326 --> 00:28:47,394
"Why would he do that?
616
00:28:47,494 --> 00:28:50,097
"Why would he come in
in the middle of the night
617
00:28:50,197 --> 00:28:52,733
and just beat the shit
out of us?"
618
00:28:52,833 --> 00:28:55,469
And I knew why,
because I was fucking around,
619
00:28:55,570 --> 00:28:57,271
but he never knew.
620
00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:01,710
I never told him.
621
00:29:02,009 --> 00:29:04,646
Even to this day,
622
00:29:04,745 --> 00:29:06,247
I've never told him.
623
00:29:09,116 --> 00:29:10,784
Some people say
that is the greatest scene
624
00:29:10,884 --> 00:29:12,253
in film history.
625
00:29:12,353 --> 00:29:14,121
Their words, not mine.
626
00:29:14,589 --> 00:29:17,525
I have written the greatest
scene in film history.
627
00:29:17,626 --> 00:29:19,260
But it's not that one.
628
00:29:20,494 --> 00:29:21,696
After The Last Great Actor,
629
00:29:21,795 --> 00:29:23,931
everyone thought
that Lawrence and Pace
630
00:29:24,031 --> 00:29:27,301
were, you know, the next
Scorsese and De Niro.
631
00:29:27,401 --> 00:29:29,470
They made the film
for $1 million
632
00:29:29,571 --> 00:29:32,940
and it grossed $120 million.
633
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,176
Despite the success of the film,
both men swore
634
00:29:36,277 --> 00:29:38,580
that they would never
work together again.
635
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,849
In fact, no one who has
ever worked with Lawrence
636
00:29:41,949 --> 00:29:44,151
will work with him
a second time.
637
00:29:44,251 --> 00:29:46,655
And it's not
because people hate him.
638
00:29:46,755 --> 00:29:49,123
It's because they are scared
of him.
639
00:29:49,223 --> 00:29:52,259
Lawrence's talent
is his biggest enemy.
640
00:29:53,994 --> 00:29:56,096
I mean, about what anybody else
knows about him,
641
00:29:56,196 --> 00:29:59,800
he's probably the most talented
actor that's ever existed.
642
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,935
This guy's dedication
to his craft
643
00:30:02,036 --> 00:30:04,338
and to the arts
is second to none.
644
00:30:04,438 --> 00:30:06,373
Lawrence is dedicated
to performance.
645
00:30:06,473 --> 00:30:08,643
Man, if there's one guy
I've always been looking up to,
646
00:30:08,743 --> 00:30:09,977
it's him.
647
00:30:10,077 --> 00:30:13,280
I discovered Lawrence
when he was nine years old.
648
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:15,517
Sometimes, I wish
I really didn't
649
00:30:15,617 --> 00:30:18,653
because he never had a chance
to live a normal life.
650
00:30:18,753 --> 00:30:20,354
And I feel guilty
because of that.
651
00:30:20,454 --> 00:30:23,525
Yeah, I think he had
unrealistic expectations
652
00:30:23,625 --> 00:30:25,326
put on him from an early age.
653
00:30:25,426 --> 00:30:28,128
And although he fulfilled them
with talent,
654
00:30:28,228 --> 00:30:31,566
in his own body,
he never felt like himself.
655
00:30:32,066 --> 00:30:34,168
Why is Lawrence
a great actor?
656
00:30:34,268 --> 00:30:36,937
Uh, is it
because he wins many awards?
657
00:30:37,037 --> 00:30:39,340
Is it because
he commits himself
658
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,942
to the roles to the detriment
of himself
659
00:30:42,042 --> 00:30:44,713
and to everyone around him?
No, no, no, no.
660
00:30:44,813 --> 00:30:46,614
The hardest thing
for any actor to do
661
00:30:46,715 --> 00:30:48,148
is to lose themselves,
662
00:30:48,248 --> 00:30:51,085
to give up their own humanity
in place of the characters.
663
00:30:51,185 --> 00:30:54,922
Lawrence is great because he
has no self to lose.
664
00:30:55,022 --> 00:30:57,391
Lawrence is not a human being.
665
00:30:57,491 --> 00:30:58,693
He is an empty shell.
666
00:30:58,793 --> 00:31:00,662
Regardless of what you see
on screen,
667
00:31:00,762 --> 00:31:03,163
he is simply not there.
668
00:31:03,263 --> 00:31:07,134
Which is why he's able to do
anything once the camera rolls.
669
00:31:07,234 --> 00:31:11,271
The second you call cut,
the man is a disaster.
670
00:31:11,372 --> 00:31:13,907
Do you have any
idea who the killer might be?
671
00:31:14,007 --> 00:31:19,079
Oh. If I had to pick a guy,
672
00:31:19,179 --> 00:31:21,148
I think it's Lawrence.
673
00:31:21,248 --> 00:31:23,350
Lawrence is one
of these guys that,
674
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:24,918
I don't know
what they call 'em,
675
00:31:25,018 --> 00:31:27,689
but he'd get into a role
and he'd stay in that role
676
00:31:27,789 --> 00:31:29,089
through the whole movie.
677
00:31:29,189 --> 00:31:30,891
I mean, whether he was
in our car
678
00:31:30,991 --> 00:31:32,694
or ordering a hamburger
at McDonald's,
679
00:31:32,794 --> 00:31:34,061
he'd stay in that role.
680
00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:36,831
I mean, it's a little weird
when he does that.
681
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:38,566
So, you know,
when he goes home
682
00:31:38,666 --> 00:31:41,301
after playing Neil Armstrong,
I think he's thinking
683
00:31:41,402 --> 00:31:43,203
he's home,
walking on the moon.
684
00:31:43,303 --> 00:31:46,907
And when he goes home
as a crazed murderer,
685
00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,010
he might be a crazed murderer.
686
00:31:50,978 --> 00:31:52,547
Working with
Lawrence Hughes
687
00:31:52,647 --> 00:31:54,948
on Justice Explosion
was one of the most
688
00:31:55,048 --> 00:31:57,819
rewarding experiences
of my entire career.
689
00:31:57,918 --> 00:31:59,453
I often tell people,
690
00:31:59,554 --> 00:32:02,923
Lawrence is, is like
a wild Mustang.
691
00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:04,958
The good part of that is one
692
00:32:05,058 --> 00:32:08,061
of the most beautiful sights
you'll ever see.
693
00:32:08,162 --> 00:32:11,866
The bad side,
you try to ride him,
694
00:32:12,132 --> 00:32:13,267
you'll get bucked
from the saddle
695
00:32:13,367 --> 00:32:15,102
and he'll trample you to death.
696
00:32:15,202 --> 00:32:17,938
No one dedicates themselves
more than Lawrence.
697
00:32:18,205 --> 00:32:20,474
On Justice Explosion,
he started to lose it.
698
00:32:20,575 --> 00:32:22,242
We got calls
from the cast and crew
699
00:32:22,342 --> 00:32:25,814
saying he scared someone
or made someone cry every day.
700
00:32:25,914 --> 00:32:28,449
This is the reason I think
people believe that Lawrence
701
00:32:28,550 --> 00:32:29,818
is The Hollywood Killer.
702
00:32:29,918 --> 00:32:33,788
I mean, he had been
in over 30 films
703
00:32:33,888 --> 00:32:36,056
where he'd had to do
serious stunts.
704
00:32:36,156 --> 00:32:37,926
I mean, he has a background
in wrestling,
705
00:32:38,025 --> 00:32:40,227
boxing, jujitsu, wire work.
706
00:32:40,327 --> 00:32:44,331
It's really impressive,
his, like, physical ability.
707
00:32:44,431 --> 00:32:45,600
And...
708
00:32:47,569 --> 00:32:50,337
he might have been
the only one who was capable
709
00:32:50,437 --> 00:32:53,006
of committing
some of these crimes.
710
00:32:53,106 --> 00:32:55,175
He's certainly got
what it takes.
711
00:32:55,275 --> 00:32:57,779
Close, intimate relationship.
712
00:32:57,879 --> 00:33:00,949
Uh, disappeared
after the murder.
713
00:33:01,181 --> 00:33:04,284
Plays a lot
of unhinged characters.
714
00:33:04,686 --> 00:33:06,788
Known for not ever
breaking character,
715
00:33:06,888 --> 00:33:08,556
even when the film
is long gone.
716
00:33:08,656 --> 00:33:11,225
So he's living
split personality day to day.
717
00:33:11,325 --> 00:33:13,460
And in some ways,
I really admire that.
718
00:33:13,561 --> 00:33:15,530
Aside from
his connection to Pace,
719
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:19,199
Lawrence was also connected
to Dissident in another way,
720
00:33:19,299 --> 00:33:22,069
through his relationship
with Ava.
721
00:33:22,469 --> 00:33:25,138
Ava and Lawrence were together
on and off for three years.
722
00:33:25,239 --> 00:33:27,107
But during production
of Dissident,
723
00:33:27,207 --> 00:33:29,376
Ava ended things with him
for good.
724
00:33:29,476 --> 00:33:33,380
And this sent Lawrence
into a downward spiral.
725
00:33:33,681 --> 00:33:36,951
Despite a restraining order,
Lawrence kept showing up
726
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:38,252
anywhere she was,
727
00:33:38,352 --> 00:33:41,121
and even showed up
on the set of Dissident.
728
00:33:41,221 --> 00:33:42,289
-Hi.
-Hi, how you doing?
729
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:44,191
-Hey... Dustin.
-Lawrence. Nice to meet you.
730
00:33:44,291 --> 00:33:45,927
-How are you?
-Damn good.
731
00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:47,461
-Hi. Hi, how are you?
-Hi.
732
00:33:47,562 --> 00:33:49,531
No, no, let's
try it again, okay?
733
00:33:49,631 --> 00:33:53,001
Obviously, this did not go
over well with Pace.
734
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,234
- Larry Hughes?
- Hey.
735
00:33:54,334 --> 00:33:56,103
My old fucking friend.
How you doing?
736
00:33:56,203 --> 00:33:57,539
-Hey--
-Fucking come onto my set!
737
00:33:57,639 --> 00:33:59,774
You come onto my fucking set!
Yeah?
738
00:33:59,874 --> 00:34:02,844
After this, Lawrence
was banned from the set,
739
00:34:02,944 --> 00:34:05,312
which made him even more crazy.
740
00:34:05,713 --> 00:34:09,216
Me and my dad both begged
Lawrence to stop showing up,
741
00:34:09,316 --> 00:34:12,185
but he just snapped.
742
00:34:12,554 --> 00:34:14,556
He would do anything to try
and see her.
743
00:34:14,656 --> 00:34:16,591
Everyone needs to stay put.
Larry's here.
744
00:34:16,691 --> 00:34:17,892
He's going crazy outside,
745
00:34:17,992 --> 00:34:19,226
and I got Ava locked
in the trailer.
746
00:34:19,326 --> 00:34:20,427
So we just need to sort of,
747
00:34:20,528 --> 00:34:23,898
you know, shelter in place
until, um, he's done
748
00:34:23,998 --> 00:34:25,365
with whatever rant
he's going on.
749
00:34:25,465 --> 00:34:28,002
He kept calling me
and trying to figure out
750
00:34:28,101 --> 00:34:29,771
when Ava was on a break
751
00:34:29,871 --> 00:34:33,007
and when she was stepping out
for lunch or something.
752
00:34:33,106 --> 00:34:35,043
I had to stop answering
his calls
753
00:34:35,142 --> 00:34:37,344
'cause he was just...
freaking crazy.
754
00:34:37,444 --> 00:34:40,882
And production had security
guards on the perimeter.
755
00:34:40,982 --> 00:34:43,183
He could not get anywhere near.
756
00:34:43,283 --> 00:34:45,118
-It got crazy.
-He's obsessed.
757
00:34:45,218 --> 00:34:46,554
-No.
-It's not healthy.
758
00:34:46,654 --> 00:34:49,156
-It's absolutely bizarre.
-That's crazy. You know what?
759
00:34:49,256 --> 00:34:51,659
I'm going to keep my eyes open
because that is insane,
760
00:34:51,759 --> 00:34:53,928
and I want you to be comfortable
at all times on this set.
761
00:34:54,028 --> 00:34:55,295
-Thank you. Thank you.
-I'm serious.
762
00:34:55,395 --> 00:34:56,998
We've been knowing each other
for too long.
763
00:34:57,097 --> 00:34:58,398
Thank you. You're sweet.
764
00:34:58,498 --> 00:35:00,467
But if you, um, do you find me,
like, in a vat of oil
765
00:35:00,568 --> 00:35:02,202
or, like, dismembered
in the valley,
766
00:35:02,302 --> 00:35:05,640
like, just, you know,
probably him.
767
00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:07,075
Ava was over it.
768
00:35:07,174 --> 00:35:08,776
She didn't want to talk
to Lawrence anymore,
769
00:35:08,876 --> 00:35:10,310
and he knew that.
770
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,014
I mean, I remember her
telling me that,
771
00:35:13,113 --> 00:35:15,248
uh, she was terrified of him.
772
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:17,217
But he kept calling.
773
00:35:17,317 --> 00:35:18,620
Please calm down
and listen to me!
774
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,120
- I am listening!
- Please.
775
00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:21,388
You need
to make a choice.
776
00:35:21,488 --> 00:35:23,256
It's either me or the film.
777
00:35:23,357 --> 00:35:25,258
No, I'm always going to choose
the film!
778
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,494
You'll regret this!
Mark my words!
779
00:35:27,595 --> 00:35:29,797
-You'll regret this!
-Babe--
780
00:35:29,897 --> 00:35:31,699
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
And now what do we do?
781
00:35:31,799 --> 00:35:34,301
We go to the thing, and we block
the number, right?
782
00:35:34,401 --> 00:35:36,336
Give me the finger. There we go.
783
00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:37,772
We hit that. There we go.
784
00:35:37,872 --> 00:35:40,374
-And now where do we have block?
-You have to scroll down.
785
00:35:40,474 --> 00:35:42,376
We scroll down. Okay, okay.
786
00:35:42,476 --> 00:35:44,045
And now we blocked him.
Look at that.
787
00:35:45,445 --> 00:35:46,814
And now we don't have
to worry about it ever again.
788
00:35:46,914 --> 00:35:48,816
These calls were scary.
789
00:35:48,916 --> 00:35:50,417
I mean, he would call all of us
790
00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:54,221
and just yell over and over to
get Ava to pick up the phone.
791
00:35:54,321 --> 00:35:55,422
And I'll tell you this.
792
00:35:55,523 --> 00:35:57,424
Every call was worse
than the last.
793
00:35:57,525 --> 00:35:59,426
I'm going
to destroy this film,
794
00:35:59,527 --> 00:36:01,562
and I'm going to destroy you!
Okay?
795
00:36:01,663 --> 00:36:05,232
And if I, if Ava isn't on
a fucking plane in 30 minutes,
796
00:36:05,332 --> 00:36:06,534
I'm going to come to that set
797
00:36:06,634 --> 00:36:08,970
and drag her off
by her fucking hair!
798
00:36:09,070 --> 00:36:12,372
There are a few reasons why
this clip is so important.
799
00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:16,911
One being that Lawrence says,
"I will destroy this film,"
800
00:36:17,011 --> 00:36:20,715
which is a theory as to why
he murdered the other girls.
801
00:36:20,815 --> 00:36:24,184
The second is because
this was the last call
802
00:36:24,284 --> 00:36:26,754
ever made
from Lawrence's phone
803
00:36:26,854 --> 00:36:30,158
and the last time
anyone heard from him.
804
00:36:30,424 --> 00:36:34,194
Ava Bergman was murdered
the following day.
805
00:36:37,832 --> 00:36:42,837
Help-- Help me!
806
00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:47,340
Help! No! Please!
807
00:36:47,441 --> 00:36:50,444
Please! Help me! No!
808
00:37:08,696 --> 00:37:10,832
That's the problem
these days.
809
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:15,435
We want to show everything
and be grisly.
810
00:37:16,738 --> 00:37:17,872
Detail.
811
00:37:19,272 --> 00:37:21,909
The idea that this, this fucker
812
00:37:22,009 --> 00:37:26,413
was holding a phone
while he's attempting to...
813
00:37:30,818 --> 00:37:32,385
Hm.
814
00:37:32,653 --> 00:37:34,488
This is the world we live in.
815
00:37:35,523 --> 00:37:37,658
It's really fucking dark.
816
00:37:38,059 --> 00:37:41,162
The initial
investigation by the LAPD
817
00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:43,564
uncovered no
physical evidence.
818
00:37:43,664 --> 00:37:47,201
But none of that mattered,
because everyone was convinced
819
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:48,803
it was Lawrence Hughes.
820
00:37:48,903 --> 00:37:51,471
And even with
an international search,
821
00:37:51,572 --> 00:37:53,306
no one could find him.
822
00:37:53,406 --> 00:37:56,409
His whereabouts remain unknown.
823
00:37:56,677 --> 00:37:59,647
Despite this tragedy,
shooting for Dissident
824
00:37:59,747 --> 00:38:03,050
resumed 24 hours later
with a new actress.
825
00:38:03,151 --> 00:38:06,254
After losing a lead actress
in such a horrible way,
826
00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:09,223
most producers would cut
their losses
827
00:38:09,322 --> 00:38:11,192
and shut down the film.
828
00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:13,426
Tedd is not most producers.
829
00:38:13,528 --> 00:38:15,797
Now let's meet
our third suspect,
830
00:38:15,897 --> 00:38:18,132
Tedd Mankiewicz.
831
00:38:18,566 --> 00:38:20,835
Like, Jesus Christ,
can I get a fluffer here?
832
00:38:20,935 --> 00:38:23,436
I'm spritzin' everywhere.
It's actually not even cold.
833
00:38:23,538 --> 00:38:26,174
I just, like, have to wait
on my nuts.
834
00:38:26,274 --> 00:38:27,809
Got fucking drool
coming out of my mouth.
835
00:38:27,909 --> 00:38:31,212
I got ball sweat.
Feel like I've lost 10 pounds.
836
00:38:31,311 --> 00:38:32,647
You're like,
"Did you fuck Barb?"
837
00:38:32,747 --> 00:38:34,849
And I go,
"Oh, I fucked her to death,
838
00:38:34,949 --> 00:38:36,851
but I didn't kill her."
839
00:38:37,151 --> 00:38:39,687
First, let's start
by understanding who Tedd is.
840
00:38:39,787 --> 00:38:41,255
Not only is he one of the most
841
00:38:41,388 --> 00:38:43,090
powerful people in Hollywood,
842
00:38:43,191 --> 00:38:46,426
he represented all three of
the women that were murdered.
843
00:38:46,527 --> 00:38:49,864
The one who survived,
two of the suspects,
844
00:38:49,964 --> 00:38:54,501
was a suspect himself,
and was having an affair
845
00:38:54,602 --> 00:38:57,605
with Barbera Ball at the time
of her death,
846
00:38:57,705 --> 00:39:01,408
something that his wife
was very upset about.
847
00:39:01,509 --> 00:39:03,511
All roads lead back to Tedd,
okay?
848
00:39:03,611 --> 00:39:06,647
He got John into producing.
He got Lawrence into acting.
849
00:39:06,747 --> 00:39:10,417
Produced Pace's first film.
Made Melvin a movie star.
850
00:39:10,518 --> 00:39:11,919
Shared a lover with Dustin.
851
00:39:12,019 --> 00:39:15,323
And he's thanked more than God
at the Oscars.
852
00:39:15,690 --> 00:39:17,925
I've got a soft spot for Tedd.
853
00:39:18,259 --> 00:39:20,027
He's the best manager
of all time.
854
00:39:20,127 --> 00:39:21,963
But I understand that Tedd
has made some enemies
855
00:39:22,063 --> 00:39:22,997
in this business.
856
00:39:23,097 --> 00:39:24,532
A lot of people hate him,
857
00:39:24,632 --> 00:39:27,802
and Pace may be at the top
of that list.
858
00:39:27,902 --> 00:39:33,440
The devil never convinced
the world that he did not exist.
859
00:39:33,541 --> 00:39:35,910
No. The devil exists.
860
00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:38,045
Tedd Mankiewicz exists.
861
00:39:38,145 --> 00:39:39,680
The man is real.
862
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:43,184
And he's out there,
and you all sit back and go,
863
00:39:43,284 --> 00:39:45,253
"I don't know. I don't know.
864
00:39:45,353 --> 00:39:48,055
Is evil real?
Is darkness real?"
865
00:39:48,155 --> 00:39:50,658
Look in the fucking mirror.
866
00:39:52,492 --> 00:39:54,562
I know that a lot of people
talk shit about Tedd
867
00:39:54,662 --> 00:39:56,097
-Mm-hmm.
-I totally get that.
868
00:39:56,197 --> 00:40:01,802
But for me, it's like, I know
that he would legit kill for me.
869
00:40:01,903 --> 00:40:04,071
I've never killed anyone
for a client.
870
00:40:04,171 --> 00:40:07,909
But I would, and that's why
they fucking signed with me.
871
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:09,944
During my investigation
into Tedd,
872
00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:15,316
I found that he would normally
do one set visit on his movies.
873
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:20,187
On Dissident, he visited set
four times a week.
874
00:40:20,288 --> 00:40:21,722
Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen,
875
00:40:21,822 --> 00:40:23,591
can we get a round
of applause here?
876
00:40:23,691 --> 00:40:24,792
You understand what's happening?
877
00:40:24,892 --> 00:40:26,661
Yeah, the Antichrist
has returned.
878
00:40:26,761 --> 00:40:28,229
All right?
So that means we rejoice.
879
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:29,764
What do producers do?
880
00:40:29,864 --> 00:40:33,301
They are supposed
to put together the elements
881
00:40:33,401 --> 00:40:35,503
that lead you
to making the film.
882
00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:38,205
Why would that entitle them
883
00:40:38,306 --> 00:40:40,741
to be on the set
once it's begun?
884
00:40:42,076 --> 00:40:44,245
Their job is prologue.
885
00:40:44,345 --> 00:40:45,813
They are the preamble.
886
00:40:45,913 --> 00:40:49,350
They are the Greek chorus
before the play begins.
887
00:40:49,449 --> 00:40:52,720
Once the story starts, fuck off.
888
00:40:53,955 --> 00:40:57,191
The moment Tedd Mankiewicz
arrives on set,
889
00:40:58,192 --> 00:41:00,294
whole energy shifts.
890
00:41:00,394 --> 00:41:02,730
The luckiest day of
your life is when you met me.
891
00:41:02,830 --> 00:41:03,931
What are you
talking about?
892
00:41:04,031 --> 00:41:05,498
Everyone says
you suck now,
893
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,234
and this movie will never be
894
00:41:07,335 --> 00:41:08,536
as good as
The Last Great Actor.
895
00:41:08,636 --> 00:41:09,637
This movie
will never be
896
00:41:09,737 --> 00:41:11,105
as good as
The Last Great Actor?
897
00:41:11,205 --> 00:41:12,340
Yeah, totally.
898
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,607
You think maybe
that's because you're standing
899
00:41:13,708 --> 00:41:14,809
in the middle
of my fucking shot?
900
00:41:14,909 --> 00:41:16,143
And if that
wasn't bad enough,
901
00:41:16,243 --> 00:41:18,245
the motherfucker would walk in
and show you
902
00:41:18,346 --> 00:41:20,047
how to do your scene.
903
00:41:22,149 --> 00:41:23,818
This is how you cock a gun.
904
00:41:23,918 --> 00:41:26,087
There's two things you need
to be able to do
905
00:41:26,187 --> 00:41:27,388
to be a movie star.
906
00:41:27,487 --> 00:41:28,956
Kiss the girl...
907
00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:32,026
and fire a gun.
908
00:41:32,126 --> 00:41:35,162
-And you can't do either.
-Just don't overthink it.
909
00:41:35,262 --> 00:41:37,431
Acting is so fucking easy.
910
00:41:37,531 --> 00:41:38,733
Most of the time, these people
911
00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,068
just get so caught up
in their own heads.
912
00:41:41,168 --> 00:41:42,203
They're lazy.
913
00:41:42,303 --> 00:41:45,006
Most of them don't have talent
to begin with.
914
00:41:45,106 --> 00:41:47,074
So I show up
and I show them what to do.
915
00:41:47,174 --> 00:41:50,378
I don't know why so many people
get offended by this.
916
00:41:50,478 --> 00:41:52,113
Do you think Reese Witherspoon
blinks?
917
00:41:52,213 --> 00:41:52,980
No.
918
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,615
Do you think
Nicole Kidman blinks?
919
00:41:54,715 --> 00:41:56,917
-No.
-Then why would you blink?
920
00:41:57,485 --> 00:41:58,652
I don't know.
921
00:41:58,753 --> 00:42:00,321
Give me more Meryl Streep.
922
00:42:00,421 --> 00:42:01,756
Okay.
923
00:42:01,856 --> 00:42:04,091
Look at the camera
and don't blink.
924
00:42:05,793 --> 00:42:07,094
Tedd was like a steamroller.
925
00:42:07,194 --> 00:42:09,964
He'd come in there
and intimidate everybody.
926
00:42:16,337 --> 00:42:19,707
Yeah, every so often,
I would go up to Ivan and say,
927
00:42:19,807 --> 00:42:21,942
"You sure you want me
to keep this camera rolling?"
928
00:42:22,043 --> 00:42:24,445
I mean,
some of the circumstances
929
00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:26,580
were a little sketchy.
930
00:42:26,881 --> 00:42:28,816
Tedd Mankiewicz
was a fucking animal.
931
00:42:28,916 --> 00:42:30,584
Did he know what he was doing?
Sure.
932
00:42:30,684 --> 00:42:32,486
Yes, okay.
Was he very good at his job?
933
00:42:32,586 --> 00:42:36,057
Also, yes.
The man was a fucking animal.
934
00:42:36,157 --> 00:42:38,893
To understand why Tedd
is a suspect,
935
00:42:38,993 --> 00:42:41,629
we have to talk
about Barbera Ball,
936
00:42:41,729 --> 00:42:43,564
the second murder victim,
937
00:42:43,664 --> 00:42:46,267
and how she ended up
in Dissident.
938
00:42:46,367 --> 00:42:50,438
Barbera made a name for herself
when she was cast in Breathe
939
00:42:50,539 --> 00:42:52,673
alongside Lawrence Hughes.
940
00:43:00,147 --> 00:43:03,050
I believe I went to school
with that chap.
941
00:43:10,324 --> 00:43:12,159
Should I go approach him?
942
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,061
Oui.
943
00:43:14,161 --> 00:43:15,963
Your French isn't
that good anymore.
944
00:43:16,063 --> 00:43:19,967
-I think you need some practice.
-Good enough.
945
00:43:20,067 --> 00:43:21,536
Whatever you say.
946
00:43:21,635 --> 00:43:23,137
On y va.
947
00:43:25,072 --> 00:43:27,875
Every actress in the world
wanted that role.
948
00:43:28,242 --> 00:43:31,078
But my dad made sure
that Barbera got it.
949
00:43:31,445 --> 00:43:35,249
After the success of Breathe,
Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident
950
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:37,818
without ever talking to Pace
about it.
951
00:43:37,918 --> 00:43:39,420
Pace is quoted as saying
952
00:43:39,521 --> 00:43:42,890
he hated Barbera Ball
more than his own mother,
953
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:45,159
who abandoned him as a child.
954
00:43:48,129 --> 00:43:50,431
Barbera, am I looking
at the monitor?
955
00:43:50,532 --> 00:43:51,699
I can't, I can't tell.
956
00:43:51,799 --> 00:43:53,067
There's four cameras
on this fucking scene.
957
00:43:53,167 --> 00:43:54,969
One of them can probably see it.
I can't see it.
958
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:56,770
I'm not watching the camera.
I'm watching you.
959
00:43:56,871 --> 00:43:58,439
I'm watching your reaction.
You know what I see?
960
00:43:58,540 --> 00:43:59,807
-What?
-I see fear.
961
00:43:59,907 --> 00:44:00,841
Why do I see fear?
962
00:44:00,941 --> 00:44:02,309
This gun has got no bullets
in it.
963
00:44:02,409 --> 00:44:03,578
It's not even a real gun.
964
00:44:03,677 --> 00:44:04,745
I mean, let me
show you something, Barbera.
965
00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:06,447
You see this? All right?
This is my fucking gun.
966
00:44:06,548 --> 00:44:09,683
This shit's loaded.
Am I afraid? No!
967
00:44:09,783 --> 00:44:13,487
You wanted Barbera
taken out of the film.
968
00:44:13,787 --> 00:44:14,822
-Why?
-Absolutely.
969
00:44:14,922 --> 00:44:17,158
Uh, because she's not very good.
970
00:44:17,258 --> 00:44:20,861
So, uh, once she was forced
upon me,
971
00:44:20,961 --> 00:44:22,696
I did what anyone does
972
00:44:22,796 --> 00:44:24,999
when they are put
in a compromising situation
973
00:44:25,099 --> 00:44:26,367
that they did not ask
to be in.
974
00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:29,403
They try to get out.
And that's what I did.
975
00:44:29,504 --> 00:44:31,739
-How much does she want this?
-A lot more than this film.
976
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,274
Okay, so then why is she here?
977
00:44:33,374 --> 00:44:36,243
Wouldn't you rather spend it
on the film rather than her?
978
00:44:36,343 --> 00:44:37,211
Think about it.
979
00:44:37,311 --> 00:44:38,613
Oh, you hadn't even thought
about that.
980
00:44:38,712 --> 00:44:40,214
We could get someone
who was more talented
981
00:44:40,314 --> 00:44:41,048
and less expensive.
982
00:44:41,148 --> 00:44:42,617
There isn't somebody
more talented.
983
00:44:42,716 --> 00:44:43,984
You don't think there's anyone
more talented?
984
00:44:44,084 --> 00:44:45,452
-No, I don't.
-Oh, my God.
985
00:44:45,554 --> 00:44:47,622
The myopic... Jesus.
986
00:44:47,721 --> 00:44:49,524
This is a normal occurrence.
987
00:44:49,624 --> 00:44:51,692
I had to go to set every day
988
00:44:51,792 --> 00:44:53,628
to make sure Barbera stayed
in the film.
989
00:44:53,727 --> 00:44:55,229
Your female lead
is out of frame.
990
00:44:55,329 --> 00:44:56,397
Yes, I know, I know.
991
00:44:56,497 --> 00:44:57,965
This is how we're going
to do the movie now, okay?
992
00:44:58,065 --> 00:44:59,534
My dad's going to see
the dailies.
993
00:44:59,634 --> 00:45:00,868
What do you think
he's gonna say?
994
00:45:00,968 --> 00:45:02,836
I think he's going to whine
and bitch like a child.
995
00:45:02,937 --> 00:45:04,673
You're whining and bitching
like a child
996
00:45:04,772 --> 00:45:06,073
because you can't
have a two-person scene.
997
00:45:06,173 --> 00:45:07,341
Barbera's out of the movie,
Effy.
998
00:45:07,441 --> 00:45:08,543
That's not how it works.
999
00:45:08,643 --> 00:45:12,514
Pace needed his North
Star for that character.
1000
00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:14,181
And Barbera wasn't it.
1001
00:45:14,281 --> 00:45:17,718
So he was determined to make
her life a living hell.
1002
00:45:17,818 --> 00:45:19,220
You're killing me.
You're literally killing me.
1003
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,754
-Yes. I'm going to kill you.
-Oh, yeah.
1004
00:45:20,854 --> 00:45:22,223
I feel like you're going
to kill me.
1005
00:45:22,323 --> 00:45:23,157
I'm working up to it.
1006
00:45:23,257 --> 00:45:24,559
Every single fucking day I come
to set,
1007
00:45:24,659 --> 00:45:26,026
I don't know what's going
to happen.
1008
00:45:26,126 --> 00:45:28,630
Barbera was living
in a constant state of fear.
1009
00:45:28,729 --> 00:45:30,297
But not from being murdered.
1010
00:45:30,397 --> 00:45:33,535
She was more afraid
of being fired than dying.
1011
00:45:33,635 --> 00:45:35,402
She would tell me all the time
1012
00:45:35,502 --> 00:45:37,137
how she thought
she was going to get fired.
1013
00:45:37,238 --> 00:45:39,940
I mean, I think she said that
to me almost every single day.
1014
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,976
And it got to a certain point
1015
00:45:42,076 --> 00:45:43,777
where I thought it was going
to happen too.
1016
00:45:43,877 --> 00:45:46,814
I think the fact
that she's this bad
1017
00:45:46,914 --> 00:45:48,717
violates the terms
of the contract.
1018
00:45:48,816 --> 00:45:50,284
And I think we can
get rid of her
1019
00:45:50,384 --> 00:45:52,721
without actually triggering
any type of lawsuit.
1020
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:54,088
She's the star
of the fucking movie.
1021
00:45:54,188 --> 00:45:55,690
We've been shooting
for three months.
1022
00:45:55,823 --> 00:45:56,725
But not if we fire her.
1023
00:45:56,824 --> 00:45:58,092
She's not coming
out of the movie.
1024
00:45:58,192 --> 00:46:00,094
Pace was never a fan of Barbera.
1025
00:46:00,194 --> 00:46:03,797
And he asked me multiple times
if we could replace her.
1026
00:46:03,897 --> 00:46:05,432
I need Barbera gone.
1027
00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:08,235
Your father is asking me
to sculpt with razor wire.
1028
00:46:08,335 --> 00:46:10,804
I have always respected you,
okay?
1029
00:46:10,904 --> 00:46:14,041
I've always respected
your artistic vision.
1030
00:46:14,141 --> 00:46:17,077
And I just, I need you
to let this one go
1031
00:46:17,177 --> 00:46:20,981
because my dad is never going
to fire Barbera.
1032
00:46:21,081 --> 00:46:22,182
-That's it.
-Okay, okay.
1033
00:46:22,283 --> 00:46:23,917
Do you think, do you think
this is the first time
1034
00:46:24,018 --> 00:46:25,286
I've been told
I can't do something
1035
00:46:25,386 --> 00:46:27,354
-or I have to let something go?
-I'm letting you know.
1036
00:46:27,454 --> 00:46:29,089
I am a screenwriter, okay?
1037
00:46:29,189 --> 00:46:32,026
I create worlds
and I fucking destroy them.
1038
00:46:32,126 --> 00:46:34,094
And if you make me
destroy this world,
1039
00:46:34,194 --> 00:46:35,996
I will do it. You understand?
1040
00:46:36,096 --> 00:46:37,632
Then you're not going
to have a movie, Pace.
1041
00:46:37,732 --> 00:46:38,932
I don't give a fuck
about the movie.
1042
00:46:39,033 --> 00:46:40,834
-I do.
-I don't care what you think.
1043
00:46:40,934 --> 00:46:42,537
I care about making art.
1044
00:46:42,637 --> 00:46:46,206
And if she is in this film,
it doesn't exist anymore.
1045
00:46:46,307 --> 00:46:48,710
There is no story,
there is no beauty,
1046
00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:49,910
there is no art.
1047
00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:51,646
So I may as well burn
the fucking thing down.
1048
00:46:51,746 --> 00:46:53,914
-You understand?
-Then go ahead.
1049
00:46:54,014 --> 00:46:55,316
-Burn the thing down.
-Great.
1050
00:46:55,416 --> 00:46:57,351
Okay.
Remember that you said that!
1051
00:46:57,451 --> 00:46:59,486
And then don't come crying
to me when it's over.
1052
00:46:59,587 --> 00:47:00,921
Remember.
1053
00:47:02,323 --> 00:47:04,626
Pace threatened Barbera
all the time.
1054
00:47:04,726 --> 00:47:07,995
And when it was decided that she
was staying in the film,
1055
00:47:08,095 --> 00:47:09,764
he couldn't handle it.
1056
00:47:09,863 --> 00:47:10,864
Hey, what's up?
1057
00:47:10,964 --> 00:47:12,433
Um, I'm sat here
with Pace right now.
1058
00:47:12,534 --> 00:47:15,670
He doesn't believe, uh, anything
that I'm saying right now.
1059
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:17,237
So do you mind refreshing
his mind
1060
00:47:17,338 --> 00:47:18,972
and telling him
what you told me?
1061
00:47:19,073 --> 00:47:20,074
Hey, Pace.
1062
00:47:20,174 --> 00:47:21,543
I just got off the phone
with Mocker.
1063
00:47:21,643 --> 00:47:23,977
And Barbera's staying
in the fucking film.
1064
00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:26,847
So do whatever you want
with that information.
1065
00:47:27,716 --> 00:47:30,050
Okay. Uh, Barbie.
1066
00:47:30,351 --> 00:47:32,453
-Uh, I gotta apologize to you.
-Yeah?
1067
00:47:32,554 --> 00:47:34,154
-Okay?
-Is this sincere?
1068
00:47:34,254 --> 00:47:37,091
Yes. That was the easy way
for you to leave this film.
1069
00:47:37,191 --> 00:47:39,193
And now we do it the hard way.
All right?
1070
00:47:39,293 --> 00:47:42,029
-Good luck.
-Thanks. Appreciate it.
1071
00:47:42,129 --> 00:47:44,398
I always adored Barbera.
1072
00:47:44,699 --> 00:47:46,768
She had such a hard time
on set.
1073
00:47:46,867 --> 00:47:49,169
She didn't deserve
how she was treated.
1074
00:47:49,269 --> 00:47:51,238
I don't know
who to trust anymore.
1075
00:47:51,338 --> 00:47:54,609
I don't know who are my friends.
Everyone's fucking mean.
1076
00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:57,812
Well, you know you got me.
1077
00:47:57,911 --> 00:48:00,881
I'm lucky I do.
You and your dad.
1078
00:48:00,981 --> 00:48:03,852
Initially, there was a lot
of confusion as to why
1079
00:48:03,951 --> 00:48:06,887
Tedd was fighting so hard
to keep her in the film.
1080
00:48:07,187 --> 00:48:11,091
There's a very simple reason
Tedd refused to replace her.
1081
00:48:11,191 --> 00:48:13,561
Because they were having
an affair.
1082
00:48:13,661 --> 00:48:15,764
They managed to keep
their relationship quiet
1083
00:48:15,864 --> 00:48:16,798
for over a year.
1084
00:48:16,897 --> 00:48:18,332
But once Barbera was on set,
1085
00:48:18,432 --> 00:48:21,268
Tedd could no longer keep
the relationship secret.
1086
00:48:21,368 --> 00:48:24,204
His jealousy and paranoia
drove him
1087
00:48:24,304 --> 00:48:27,842
to make sure everyone knew
she was his.
1088
00:48:27,941 --> 00:48:30,244
And what made him so paranoid
1089
00:48:30,344 --> 00:48:33,882
was Barbera's castmate
and former lover,
1090
00:48:33,981 --> 00:48:36,383
Dustin Scott.
1091
00:48:36,684 --> 00:48:41,188
The story of their romance
is shrouded with intrigue.
1092
00:48:41,288 --> 00:48:44,391
I mean, Tedd and Barbera
were having an affair.
1093
00:48:44,491 --> 00:48:47,461
Dustin and Barbera were having
an affair.
1094
00:48:47,562 --> 00:48:51,666
It was like the inception
of affairs.
1095
00:48:51,766 --> 00:48:53,967
So Dustin was in love
with Barbera
1096
00:48:54,067 --> 00:48:56,136
and Barbera was in love
with Tedd.
1097
00:48:56,236 --> 00:48:58,907
And it was disaster
for all of us.
1098
00:48:59,006 --> 00:49:01,810
Are you having a relationship
with Barbera?
1099
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:03,043
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
1100
00:49:03,143 --> 00:49:04,411
And you're aware that she
is currently having
1101
00:49:04,512 --> 00:49:06,313
a relationship
with Tedd Mankiewicz?
1102
00:49:06,413 --> 00:49:07,181
Yeah.
1103
00:49:07,281 --> 00:49:08,783
And you thought,
in your infinite wisdom,
1104
00:49:08,883 --> 00:49:11,151
that this was a good idea
for you to do?
1105
00:49:12,252 --> 00:49:14,121
She was my girlfriend first,
and...
1106
00:49:14,221 --> 00:49:15,657
Okay. With the playground rules.
1107
00:49:15,757 --> 00:49:16,925
Brilliant.
1108
00:49:17,024 --> 00:49:18,392
Can you talk to me
a little bit about
1109
00:49:18,492 --> 00:49:20,227
Dustin and Barbera's
love affair?
1110
00:49:20,829 --> 00:49:22,764
Mm, yeah, um,
1111
00:49:22,864 --> 00:49:25,667
I know they were
childhood sweethearts
1112
00:49:25,767 --> 00:49:27,367
and then, uh, had some sort
1113
00:49:27,468 --> 00:49:30,304
of large, uh, profound
relationship,
1114
00:49:30,404 --> 00:49:32,774
I guess, at least for Dustin.
1115
00:49:32,874 --> 00:49:35,242
Uh, and then
it started up again.
1116
00:49:35,342 --> 00:49:37,344
Basically, the moment
she arrived on the set,
1117
00:49:37,444 --> 00:49:39,614
which obviously drove
Tedd insane.
1118
00:49:39,714 --> 00:49:42,617
He is a man that cannot
comprehend things
1119
00:49:42,717 --> 00:49:44,151
he cannot control.
1120
00:49:44,251 --> 00:49:47,221
Dustin, I want you to kiss her
like you know he's watching.
1121
00:49:47,321 --> 00:49:48,989
Because he is.
You know what I'm saying?
1122
00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:50,224
You're trying
to make me jealous.
1123
00:49:50,324 --> 00:49:51,526
No, no, no,
I'm trying to make you
1124
00:49:51,626 --> 00:49:52,794
understand that you're
a lesser man.
1125
00:49:52,894 --> 00:49:54,161
What am I
supposed to do?
1126
00:49:54,261 --> 00:49:56,063
You're supposed to like it more
than you like kissing him.
1127
00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:57,164
I'm jealous right now.
1128
00:49:57,264 --> 00:49:58,465
I want you to... You're jealous?
1129
00:49:58,566 --> 00:50:00,067
It's working?
We're having a reaction?
1130
00:50:00,167 --> 00:50:01,468
Don't say that out loud.
1131
00:50:01,569 --> 00:50:03,036
Doesn't it feel
good to have a human emotion?
1132
00:50:03,136 --> 00:50:04,304
You know what I mean?
1133
00:50:04,404 --> 00:50:06,139
I think there's a...
Oh, there it is. Look at that.
1134
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,142
Imagine you met
the love of your life.
1135
00:50:09,878 --> 00:50:12,246
And you had a beautiful romance.
1136
00:50:12,346 --> 00:50:15,717
And then you fucked it all up.
You break up.
1137
00:50:15,817 --> 00:50:17,384
You're miserable.
1138
00:50:17,652 --> 00:50:20,354
And then you're working
on this movie
1139
00:50:20,454 --> 00:50:23,490
and you find out
that your ex-lover
1140
00:50:23,591 --> 00:50:26,393
is now gonna be with you
every single day.
1141
00:50:26,493 --> 00:50:29,029
Sex scenes, kissing scenes.
1142
00:50:29,129 --> 00:50:31,398
And you have to watch
the person that you love
1143
00:50:31,498 --> 00:50:33,668
be in love with somebody else.
1144
00:50:33,768 --> 00:50:36,436
And if that wasn't bad enough,
her new boyfriend
1145
00:50:36,538 --> 00:50:40,374
was my boss and would tell me
what to do every day.
1146
00:50:40,474 --> 00:50:42,977
You're grabbing her tits like
it's an eighth-grade dance.
1147
00:50:43,076 --> 00:50:44,846
Grab her like this.
1148
00:50:44,946 --> 00:50:47,180
Let me get to your level.
1149
00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:50,350
If you cross me again,
I'll fucking kill you.
1150
00:50:51,084 --> 00:50:52,787
Yeah, that's how it's done.
1151
00:50:54,022 --> 00:50:55,723
Tedd was always fucking
with Dustin.
1152
00:50:55,823 --> 00:50:59,027
He would do these, like,
psychological mind games
1153
00:50:59,126 --> 00:51:00,662
for dominance.
1154
00:51:00,762 --> 00:51:04,032
And it was abusive.
1155
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,634
I just can't believe that you do
that shit in front of me, okay?
1156
00:51:06,734 --> 00:51:08,803
It's so fucking disrespectful.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
1157
00:51:08,903 --> 00:51:11,104
Do you know how many fucking
times I've heard this from you?
1158
00:51:11,204 --> 00:51:12,640
What do you mean?
1159
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:14,374
Do you know how many times I've
heard you say that shit to him?
1160
00:51:14,474 --> 00:51:17,845
Tedd uses a tactic called
disruption of thought freedom.
1161
00:51:17,946 --> 00:51:19,379
It's a genius military strategy
1162
00:51:19,479 --> 00:51:22,249
to take over someone's brain
and ruin them.
1163
00:51:22,584 --> 00:51:24,586
And that's how
he broke Dustin.
1164
00:51:27,387 --> 00:51:28,690
I...
1165
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:33,393
I truly believe you only get
one real love in your life.
1166
00:51:33,728 --> 00:51:37,331
That one person that's
supposed to be there with you,
1167
00:51:37,431 --> 00:51:39,567
going through
the ups and downs, and...
1168
00:51:40,001 --> 00:51:43,538
And it was Barbera.
We were meant for each other.
1169
00:51:44,371 --> 00:51:45,607
And I fucked it up.
1170
00:51:45,707 --> 00:51:49,376
And the really funny thing
is that the one person
1171
00:51:49,476 --> 00:51:51,311
who was trying to help me
fix this relationship
1172
00:51:51,411 --> 00:51:54,749
more than anyone else
was Pace.
1173
00:51:56,751 --> 00:51:59,386
Now did Pace really want us
to get back together
1174
00:51:59,486 --> 00:52:01,321
'cause he cared about us?
I don't think so.
1175
00:52:01,421 --> 00:52:04,491
I think he was really just
trying to fuck with Tedd.
1176
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:09,363
But, nonetheless, he was being
a couples counselor,
1177
00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,866
trying anything
and everything he could
1178
00:52:11,966 --> 00:52:14,068
to bring us back together.
1179
00:52:14,468 --> 00:52:18,539
And if Barbera
wouldn't have died,
1180
00:52:19,439 --> 00:52:21,643
I think it would have worked.
1181
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:25,546
I was doing what I could to...
1182
00:52:26,014 --> 00:52:27,715
to, well, not mend
the relationship,
1183
00:52:27,815 --> 00:52:29,951
I just needed them to be able
to get through a fucking scene.
1184
00:52:30,051 --> 00:52:34,522
And, and in, in that context,
that required her to be able
1185
00:52:34,622 --> 00:52:38,225
to, uh, look him in the eye
without rolling her eyes
1186
00:52:38,325 --> 00:52:40,160
or vomiting or screaming
1187
00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:41,963
or any of the things
that would happen
1188
00:52:42,063 --> 00:52:43,363
when she would see him.
1189
00:52:43,463 --> 00:52:45,499
You are welcome to attach
a humanitarian instinct to me
1190
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,135
whenever you like.
You would be wrong.
1191
00:52:47,234 --> 00:52:49,103
I'm simply doing
what is necessary
1192
00:52:49,202 --> 00:52:51,171
to get the film made.
1193
00:52:51,539 --> 00:52:54,207
No! No, no, no! Stop it!
Stop! Right now! No, no.
1194
00:52:54,307 --> 00:52:55,510
No, no, listen. Okay?
1195
00:52:55,610 --> 00:52:57,411
Kissing is elemental.
It's primordial.
1196
00:52:57,512 --> 00:52:58,980
It's deeper than sex, right?
1197
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,381
It's just, it's natural, okay?
1198
00:53:01,481 --> 00:53:03,818
I don't want to see sex.
I want to see love.
1199
00:53:03,918 --> 00:53:05,019
Okay? Show me.
1200
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,487
-I give love.
-Show me. Show me love.
1201
00:53:07,789 --> 00:53:09,123
I heard the rumors.
1202
00:53:09,222 --> 00:53:10,457
I tried to warn Dustin
1203
00:53:10,558 --> 00:53:12,259
about not getting involved
with Barbera,
1204
00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:13,961
but he didn't listen.
1205
00:53:14,062 --> 00:53:16,564
And when my dad found out,
it was actually worse
1206
00:53:16,664 --> 00:53:18,166
than I thought it would be.
1207
00:53:18,265 --> 00:53:20,200
Did you fuck Barb?
1208
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,770
-No! I didn't--
-Dirty Dick Dustin.
1209
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:24,505
-Dirty Dick Dustin.
-I didn't do anything.
1210
00:53:24,605 --> 00:53:26,174
- Tedd, Tedd, Tedd.
- Pull your dick out.
1211
00:53:26,273 --> 00:53:27,842
I want to see
if it smells like Barb.
1212
00:53:27,942 --> 00:53:29,544
Pull your dick out.
1213
00:53:29,644 --> 00:53:31,913
Starting a war
with a guy like Tedd,
1214
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:34,247
someone with an infinite amount
of resources,
1215
00:53:34,347 --> 00:53:37,451
wouldn't even bode well for me,
let alone Dustin.
1216
00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:39,352
I'll have Dustin
killed right now
1217
00:53:39,453 --> 00:53:40,822
if you just cast Chalamet.
1218
00:53:40,922 --> 00:53:43,323
Uh, could you have
him killed without, uh, Timmy?
1219
00:53:43,423 --> 00:53:44,692
Absolutely not.
1220
00:53:44,792 --> 00:53:46,259
Why does it have
to be Timmy to kill--
1221
00:53:46,359 --> 00:53:47,628
You gotta give,
you gotta give me something.
1222
00:53:47,729 --> 00:53:48,896
No, but can we get
somebody else?
1223
00:53:48,996 --> 00:53:50,430
I'll have nothing for me
to kill Dustin.
1224
00:53:50,531 --> 00:53:52,734
They say all is fair
in love and war,
1225
00:53:52,834 --> 00:53:55,402
so Dustin decided
to tell Tedd's wife
1226
00:53:55,502 --> 00:53:57,304
about the affair
with Barbera,
1227
00:53:57,404 --> 00:54:01,374
which caused her to confront him
in front of everyone.
1228
00:54:01,475 --> 00:54:02,777
-Who told you that?
-You've been cheating on me.
1229
00:54:02,877 --> 00:54:04,411
-I've never fucking cheated.
-Tell me the truth.
1230
00:54:04,512 --> 00:54:05,947
-I know you've been doing it!
-I am telling you the truth.
1231
00:54:06,047 --> 00:54:08,281
-You've never... This is--
-I've never cheated on you.
1232
00:54:08,381 --> 00:54:09,416
Yes, you have!
1233
00:54:09,517 --> 00:54:10,752
What the fuck are you
even talking about?
1234
00:54:10,852 --> 00:54:12,720
-You've never told me the truth.
-Who told you that shit?
1235
00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:14,387
I'm not going
to tell you who told me,
1236
00:54:14,488 --> 00:54:16,624
-but I know that it's true.
-Was it Dustin?
1237
00:54:16,724 --> 00:54:18,626
After this
was filmed,
1238
00:54:18,726 --> 00:54:20,762
Ted's wife threatened
to leave him
1239
00:54:20,862 --> 00:54:22,530
if he didn't end things
with Barbera.
1240
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:24,899
And with her ability
to prove infidelity,
1241
00:54:24,999 --> 00:54:28,202
he was looking
at a billion-dollar divorce.
1242
00:54:28,301 --> 00:54:30,303
Two days later, Barbera Ball
1243
00:54:30,403 --> 00:54:32,707
was murdered
by The Hollywood Killer.
1244
00:54:44,417 --> 00:54:46,821
I don't understand
why the man isn't in prison.
1245
00:54:46,921 --> 00:54:49,690
He had the motive.
Obviously, he had the access.
1246
00:54:49,791 --> 00:54:52,026
He was sleeping
with the woman killed.
1247
00:54:52,126 --> 00:54:56,831
To me, to anyone with eyes
or who is not being paid,
1248
00:54:56,931 --> 00:54:58,032
it should be obvious.
1249
00:54:58,132 --> 00:55:02,435
But in order to avoid
a fifth lawsuit from the man,
1250
00:55:03,538 --> 00:55:05,973
I'll call him
an alleged murderer.
1251
00:55:06,073 --> 00:55:08,109
Who's alleging it? I am.
1252
00:55:08,209 --> 00:55:10,244
My dad would never hurt Barbera.
1253
00:55:10,343 --> 00:55:12,246
She made him so happy.
1254
00:55:12,345 --> 00:55:13,815
I've never seen him
love anyone
1255
00:55:13,915 --> 00:55:15,315
as much as he loved her.
1256
00:55:15,415 --> 00:55:16,884
What they shared
was like something
1257
00:55:16,984 --> 00:55:18,418
you read in a romance novel.
1258
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:20,320
He always said
that she reminded him
1259
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:21,989
of a Caravaggio painting.
1260
00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:24,692
I've never heard him talk
about anyone like that.
1261
00:55:24,792 --> 00:55:26,661
I saw so much
greatness in her
1262
00:55:26,761 --> 00:55:29,297
as a human being, her talent.
1263
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,935
She was my everything.
1264
00:55:35,203 --> 00:55:36,704
Do you miss her?
1265
00:55:36,804 --> 00:55:40,708
I miss her more than any
human being that's ever lived.
1266
00:55:40,808 --> 00:55:43,410
Tedd's phone records
show no calls
1267
00:55:43,511 --> 00:55:45,345
on the day Barbera died.
1268
00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:50,685
On a normal day,
he averages 250 to 300 calls.
1269
00:55:50,785 --> 00:55:52,520
My dad and I went
to Saint Moritz
1270
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,589
for a few hours to look
at a new house he was building,
1271
00:55:54,689 --> 00:55:57,457
and he broke his phone
at the airport.
1272
00:55:57,558 --> 00:56:00,528
But I can assure you
that his alibi is real,
1273
00:56:00,628 --> 00:56:01,896
and I was with him.
1274
00:56:01,996 --> 00:56:04,565
During any investigation,
it's always fascinating
1275
00:56:04,665 --> 00:56:08,736
to see who a suspect thinks
could have committed the crime.
1276
00:56:08,836 --> 00:56:12,073
And in this case,
there's footage of it.
1277
00:56:12,405 --> 00:56:13,674
I'm not going to jail.
1278
00:56:13,774 --> 00:56:15,576
Rich people don't go to jail.
1279
00:56:15,676 --> 00:56:17,612
I wasn't even in the country,
I swear.
1280
00:56:17,712 --> 00:56:19,347
You can check
all the flight logs.
1281
00:56:19,446 --> 00:56:22,382
Everybody knows
Dustin fucking killed her.
1282
00:56:22,482 --> 00:56:25,887
I have so many videos.
Tell them I'll cut a deal.
1283
00:56:26,153 --> 00:56:28,856
We're now going to dive
into our fourth suspect,
1284
00:56:28,956 --> 00:56:30,423
Dustin Scott.
1285
00:56:30,524 --> 00:56:33,160
There are many reasons
why Dustin is a suspect,
1286
00:56:33,261 --> 00:56:36,564
but one stands out
above them all.
1287
00:56:40,001 --> 00:56:42,703
Dustin! Dust--
1288
00:56:43,037 --> 00:56:46,274
That video does not get you
a conviction.
1289
00:56:46,374 --> 00:56:48,408
It does, however,
tell us something,
1290
00:56:48,509 --> 00:56:51,712
that Dustin was the last thought
on Barbera's mind.
1291
00:56:52,546 --> 00:56:54,548
But why Dustin?
1292
00:56:54,649 --> 00:56:57,484
Was it because
she was saying goodbye
1293
00:56:57,585 --> 00:56:58,853
to the love of her life,
1294
00:56:58,953 --> 00:57:02,924
or because the love
of her life was killing her?
1295
00:57:07,261 --> 00:57:08,428
You got that, right?
1296
00:57:08,529 --> 00:57:10,097
Got it.
Won't use it. Do it again.
1297
00:57:11,899 --> 00:57:14,501
Put my hat back on.
You're a fucking bitch.
1298
00:57:17,605 --> 00:57:19,307
I know he was a pain
in the ass,
1299
00:57:19,407 --> 00:57:21,575
but I'll always feel sorry
for this kid.
1300
00:57:21,676 --> 00:57:25,079
I mean, this movie
ripped out his soul.
1301
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,615
I love Dustin Scott.
1302
00:57:27,715 --> 00:57:30,450
I just think he has
1303
00:57:30,551 --> 00:57:33,821
one of the most
expressive faces.
1304
00:57:33,921 --> 00:57:37,124
Um, his performances
are in the eyes,
1305
00:57:37,224 --> 00:57:38,626
gateway to the soul, his body.
1306
00:57:38,726 --> 00:57:39,927
He puts everything into it.
1307
00:57:40,027 --> 00:57:41,829
I mean, he's, he's
a very emotional actor,
1308
00:57:41,929 --> 00:57:45,633
and I think
he is literally a human PSA
1309
00:57:45,733 --> 00:57:50,171
about, don't be an actor,
don't put your kids in acting.
1310
00:57:50,271 --> 00:57:54,775
I mean, every single thing,
uh, that actors,
1311
00:57:54,875 --> 00:57:59,013
every trap actors can step in,
he's actually stepped in.
1312
00:57:59,113 --> 00:58:01,515
Uh, a lot of the trysts
that he had,
1313
00:58:01,615 --> 00:58:04,285
the women that he was with,
1314
00:58:04,385 --> 00:58:06,020
uh, some
of the, the controversy
1315
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,589
that he caused
because of his relationships,
1316
00:58:08,689 --> 00:58:10,524
we don't see any of that.
1317
00:58:10,624 --> 00:58:11,892
We just see this,
and we think
1318
00:58:11,993 --> 00:58:14,095
this is the only thing that's
happening in this frame.
1319
00:58:14,195 --> 00:58:17,665
But there is another
behind the scenes,
1320
00:58:17,765 --> 00:58:19,333
which is what actually happens
off the set.
1321
00:58:19,433 --> 00:58:23,304
So, yeah, Dustin looks like
he is just being pummeled.
1322
00:58:23,404 --> 00:58:24,638
He's the martyr for everyone.
1323
00:58:24,739 --> 00:58:26,073
He's the whipping boy here.
1324
00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:30,544
Um, but what Dustin does off
the set is pretty outrageous.
1325
00:58:30,644 --> 00:58:31,946
I swear to God, if you bring
1326
00:58:32,046 --> 00:58:34,548
another fucking prostitute--
sex worker on set again,
1327
00:58:34,648 --> 00:58:36,050
I will kick your ass.
1328
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:39,453
Dustin really took
Barbera's death hard.
1329
00:58:39,687 --> 00:58:41,222
He was doing
all kinds of drugs.
1330
00:58:41,322 --> 00:58:43,924
We found him in a gutter,
1331
00:58:44,025 --> 00:58:47,561
unconscious at a strip club,
4:00 in the morning.
1332
00:58:47,862 --> 00:58:49,897
We covered it up from the press.
1333
00:58:50,231 --> 00:58:53,300
I would do whatever it took
to keep him upright
1334
00:58:53,401 --> 00:58:54,535
in this movie.
1335
00:58:54,635 --> 00:58:56,904
I already got, you know,
the investments there.
1336
00:58:57,004 --> 00:58:58,406
We were way into this thing
1337
00:58:58,507 --> 00:59:02,109
and Dustin has to be healthy,
and he was a fucking mess.
1338
00:59:02,209 --> 00:59:03,344
So my, my question for you,
1339
00:59:03,444 --> 00:59:05,546
and I want you to take this
with you into the scene, is,
1340
00:59:05,646 --> 00:59:07,448
what recently happened
to Barbera,
1341
00:59:07,548 --> 00:59:08,883
uh, what do we think
about the idea
1342
00:59:08,983 --> 00:59:12,653
that maybe you don't remember
what, what you may have done?
1343
00:59:12,753 --> 00:59:14,388
'Cause I know you don't think
you did anything,
1344
00:59:14,488 --> 00:59:18,426
but what about
what you don't remember?
1345
00:59:18,793 --> 00:59:21,062
I remember one time,
growing up as a kid,
1346
00:59:21,162 --> 00:59:24,331
some money came up missing
at a church bingo,
1347
00:59:24,432 --> 00:59:26,767
and Father McCauley got
so upset,
1348
00:59:26,867 --> 00:59:29,538
he bitch-slapped
Sister Elizabeth.
1349
00:59:29,804 --> 00:59:32,473
I mean, if you push someone
far enough,
1350
00:59:32,573 --> 00:59:34,375
it can get out of hand.
1351
00:59:34,475 --> 00:59:35,910
I want you to hang
1352
00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:37,311
the inadequacy
of your performance
1353
00:59:37,411 --> 00:59:39,880
around your neck and wear it
like a fucking albatross.
1354
00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:41,782
You understand?
It's a millstone, all right?
1355
00:59:41,882 --> 00:59:43,117
You're dragging all of us down.
1356
00:59:43,217 --> 00:59:44,718
-All right.
-It's like a, it's a thing.
1357
00:59:44,819 --> 00:59:45,986
- If I pull this...
- Okay, yeah.
1358
00:59:46,087 --> 00:59:47,655
...you can feel that, right?
You can feel that.
1359
00:59:47,755 --> 00:59:49,390
I gotta hang you with this shit.
1360
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:50,791
That's how bad
your performance is.
1361
00:59:50,891 --> 00:59:52,493
I could use it to kill you.
1362
00:59:52,593 --> 00:59:54,895
Doing the same scenes
1363
00:59:54,995 --> 00:59:57,998
over and over again
on multiple occasions,
1364
00:59:58,099 --> 01:00:00,234
it kind of takes it
out of you.
1365
01:00:00,334 --> 01:00:01,268
It's like if you had
1366
01:00:01,368 --> 01:00:02,870
a tube of toothpaste
that's already empty
1367
01:00:02,970 --> 01:00:04,371
and you just keep squeezing it
and you think
1368
01:00:04,472 --> 01:00:06,273
something's going to come out,
but there's nothing in there
1369
01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:09,743
and you're just crushing it
in your fucking palm.
1370
01:00:13,714 --> 01:00:16,684
I'm the tube
of empty toothpaste.
1371
01:00:17,651 --> 01:00:18,886
I think I might faint.
1372
01:00:18,986 --> 01:00:20,888
-You're going to faint? Why?
-I don't know.
1373
01:00:20,988 --> 01:00:24,291
Have you read this scene?
Is this a fainting scene?
1374
01:00:25,392 --> 01:00:26,861
-Okay, Martin, you see that?
-Whoa, whoa, whoa.
1375
01:00:26,961 --> 01:00:28,896
No, no, don't touch him.
You understand what happened?
1376
01:00:28,996 --> 01:00:30,664
This man's talent
cannot overcome
1377
01:00:30,764 --> 01:00:31,999
his given circumstances.
1378
01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:33,734
That's what we call bad acting,
all right?
1379
01:00:33,834 --> 01:00:35,302
Don't look at him.
Do the scene without him.
1380
01:00:35,402 --> 01:00:37,506
I'm going to back up and get
the shot, all right?
1381
01:00:37,606 --> 01:00:39,306
Okay, let's go!
1382
01:00:42,176 --> 01:00:47,549
This film took pieces of me
that I will never get back.
1383
01:00:47,648 --> 01:00:49,049
I fucking hate you! All you do
1384
01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:51,520
is you yell and you lie
and you yell and you lie!
1385
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,720
And I can't take it anymore!
1386
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:54,556
Why don't you do something
about it, Dustin?
1387
01:00:54,655 --> 01:00:56,023
Fuck!
1388
01:00:56,123 --> 01:00:57,592
Now we're going
to learn about acting.
1389
01:00:57,725 --> 01:00:59,628
What is acting, Dustin?
Acting is...
1390
01:01:00,928 --> 01:01:02,730
It's being acting, okay?
We're not trying to win.
1391
01:01:02,830 --> 01:01:04,965
All right, okay, now...
1392
01:01:09,336 --> 01:01:10,871
All right, Marty.
1393
01:01:11,172 --> 01:01:14,375
Um, I need something
sort of tempting.
1394
01:01:14,775 --> 01:01:17,278
Pace used to tell me
to never argue with Dustin
1395
01:01:17,546 --> 01:01:20,681
because it's hard to win
a fight with a smart person,
1396
01:01:20,781 --> 01:01:23,684
but impossible to win one
with a crazy person.
1397
01:01:23,784 --> 01:01:25,319
I worked with the guy
for five years.
1398
01:01:25,419 --> 01:01:28,122
There's no doubt in my mind
he could be the killer.
1399
01:01:28,222 --> 01:01:32,661
The things I've seen,
you wouldn't believe it.
1400
01:01:33,093 --> 01:01:34,962
Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay?
Just shut the fuck up!
1401
01:01:35,062 --> 01:01:36,531
- Shut up?
- Yeah, shut--
1402
01:01:36,631 --> 01:01:37,765
-More an angle.
-I'll shut up?
1403
01:01:37,865 --> 01:01:39,133
-More an angle.
-Shut up? I'm sick of you!
1404
01:01:39,233 --> 01:01:40,901
Marty, Marty, what did I
tell you about the carotid?
1405
01:01:41,001 --> 01:01:42,203
-Martin!
-You put pressure right here.
1406
01:01:42,303 --> 01:01:43,470
-Martin, I'm sorry!
-Then he'll go to sleep.
1407
01:01:43,572 --> 01:01:44,838
Very close to me.
1408
01:01:44,939 --> 01:01:46,575
And then brace the back
of his head here. Break it here.
1409
01:01:46,675 --> 01:01:47,975
You know, not many people
know this,
1410
01:01:48,075 --> 01:01:50,645
but I actually used to go
to middle school with Dustin.
1411
01:01:50,744 --> 01:01:52,112
Um, he had a nickname.
1412
01:01:52,213 --> 01:01:55,115
Back then, it was, uh,
it was Bundy.
1413
01:01:55,216 --> 01:01:57,619
Not for Al Bundy,
but for Ted Bundy,
1414
01:01:57,718 --> 01:01:58,852
because he was voted
1415
01:01:58,953 --> 01:02:00,387
"most likely to become
a serial killer"
1416
01:02:00,487 --> 01:02:01,922
in our yearbook.
1417
01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:06,060
You know, when I really think
about it, Dustin makes sense.
1418
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,162
I let him
go down on me once.
1419
01:02:09,163 --> 01:02:11,131
Blind man looking for a nickel.
1420
01:02:11,398 --> 01:02:14,868
There's this moment when a man
is between your legs.
1421
01:02:14,969 --> 01:02:18,607
You can feel that energy
just, you know, coming up,
1422
01:02:18,707 --> 01:02:21,242
and I got that,
I got that murder energy.
1423
01:02:22,209 --> 01:02:24,613
What? You're not
rolling fucking...
1424
01:02:24,713 --> 01:02:26,313
I just...
1425
01:02:26,615 --> 01:02:28,415
Oh, my fucking God!
What are we...
1426
01:02:28,516 --> 01:02:30,217
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
1427
01:02:30,317 --> 01:02:32,119
I've been doing this
for four fucking years,
1428
01:02:32,219 --> 01:02:34,522
and now you're not even,
you can't roll fucking sound?
1429
01:02:34,623 --> 01:02:35,756
What?
1430
01:02:35,856 --> 01:02:38,025
I was supposed to be
a movie star, Pace!
1431
01:02:38,125 --> 01:02:39,694
I was supposed to be
a movie star!
1432
01:02:39,793 --> 01:02:41,128
Now I'm going to rehab,
1433
01:02:41,228 --> 01:02:42,997
and I'm gonna fucking work
at a McDonald's
1434
01:02:43,097 --> 01:02:44,198
because of this goddamn...
1435
01:02:44,298 --> 01:02:46,133
Fuck these fucking
asshole punks!
1436
01:02:46,233 --> 01:02:47,134
I'm fucking done!
1437
01:02:47,234 --> 01:02:51,472
I'm telling you,
Dustin is The Hollywood Killer.
1438
01:02:51,573 --> 01:02:53,407
That guy? That's a killer?
1439
01:02:53,508 --> 01:02:55,776
I mean, come on. He's so dumb.
1440
01:02:55,876 --> 01:02:57,746
Everybody knows this,
you know?
1441
01:02:57,845 --> 01:02:59,380
He's about as smart
as mayonnaise.
1442
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,117
He's like the character from
Sling Blade in real life.
1443
01:03:03,752 --> 01:03:04,918
The only person
1444
01:03:05,019 --> 01:03:08,489
that Dustin really wanted
to kill was himself.
1445
01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:12,793
I can't do this anymore!
1446
01:03:12,893 --> 01:03:18,132
Why is this happening to me?
1447
01:03:20,467 --> 01:03:23,437
Churchill famously said that,
when you are going through hell,
1448
01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:24,905
you just keep going.
1449
01:03:25,005 --> 01:03:28,175
Dustin's hell is within him,
but he is a coward,
1450
01:03:28,275 --> 01:03:30,277
so he distracts himself
with women.
1451
01:03:30,377 --> 01:03:32,012
He had a relationship
with Ava,
1452
01:03:32,112 --> 01:03:35,082
and then, obviously, he had
his relationship with Barbera,
1453
01:03:35,182 --> 01:03:37,719
and when she was killed,
he moved on to Greata,
1454
01:03:37,818 --> 01:03:38,919
and when she was killed,
1455
01:03:39,019 --> 01:03:41,488
he attempted a relationship
with Audrey.
1456
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:44,526
The problem is that, when you
have that inferno within you,
1457
01:03:44,626 --> 01:03:48,462
when you want to taste
the heart of darkness,
1458
01:03:48,563 --> 01:03:49,798
you must release it,
1459
01:03:49,897 --> 01:03:51,800
because whether or not
you do it,
1460
01:03:51,899 --> 01:03:54,803
it will find you.
It will come for you.
1461
01:03:54,902 --> 01:03:57,371
And if you don't rise
to meet it,
1462
01:03:57,471 --> 01:03:59,073
it will swallow you whole.
1463
01:04:01,509 --> 01:04:03,778
I don't think that he's okay.
1464
01:04:03,877 --> 01:04:05,012
Mm, he's fine. He's okay.
1465
01:04:06,715 --> 01:04:08,015
Are we... Are we gonna break?
1466
01:04:08,115 --> 01:04:09,617
Yeah, break.
Get off set for a second.
1467
01:04:09,718 --> 01:04:11,018
Just fuck off.
1468
01:04:11,118 --> 01:04:13,788
No, you can drink the water
out of my shot.
1469
01:04:13,887 --> 01:04:14,988
Get the fuck out.
1470
01:04:15,089 --> 01:04:17,224
Can somebody... Oh!
1471
01:04:17,324 --> 01:04:18,292
I need my mom!
1472
01:04:18,392 --> 01:04:19,860
Yeah,
you know what, Marty?
1473
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,895
I think you should clear out,
too.
1474
01:04:29,503 --> 01:04:35,075
I pinned the camera down,
because I was watching a murder,
1475
01:04:35,175 --> 01:04:38,445
a very slow murder
in front of me.
1476
01:04:38,546 --> 01:04:41,048
During his tenure
on Dissident,
1477
01:04:41,148 --> 01:04:45,285
Dustin allegedly slept
with all three of the victims,
1478
01:04:45,653 --> 01:04:48,857
was committed to
a psychiatric ward twice,
1479
01:04:48,956 --> 01:04:53,661
and overdosed once
the day after Barbera died.
1480
01:04:53,762 --> 01:04:55,896
Dustin Scott
was never charged.
1481
01:04:55,996 --> 01:04:58,432
However, when Barbera
was murdered,
1482
01:04:58,533 --> 01:05:02,169
despite a public outcry
to shut down the film,
1483
01:05:02,269 --> 01:05:05,540
the search
for a new actress was on.
1484
01:05:05,774 --> 01:05:07,274
At this point,
1485
01:05:08,275 --> 01:05:11,579
uh, we are in the maelstrom.
1486
01:05:11,979 --> 01:05:14,014
This ship is taking on water.
1487
01:05:14,114 --> 01:05:16,818
The waves are crashing over
the deck.
1488
01:05:17,251 --> 01:05:19,286
The crew is mostly dead
of scurvy,
1489
01:05:19,386 --> 01:05:22,089
and the ones
that are still alive...
1490
01:05:23,825 --> 01:05:26,160
are considering mutiny.
1491
01:05:26,427 --> 01:05:30,464
And then at this exact moment,
a ship appears on the horizon.
1492
01:05:30,565 --> 01:05:32,634
A ship with its cannons firing
directly at us,
1493
01:05:32,734 --> 01:05:37,137
flying a pirate flag
with the name Greata Daniels.
1494
01:05:37,237 --> 01:05:39,741
-What is inside you?
-I've never died before.
1495
01:05:39,841 --> 01:05:41,008
You've never died before?
1496
01:05:41,108 --> 01:05:42,342
What a fucking statement
that is.
1497
01:05:42,443 --> 01:05:45,479
Fucking obvious.
What is inside you, Greata?
1498
01:05:45,580 --> 01:05:47,715
-Nothing.
-Exactly.
1499
01:05:47,816 --> 01:05:49,483
There's a saying in Hollywood.
1500
01:05:49,584 --> 01:05:51,285
The show must go on.
1501
01:05:51,385 --> 01:05:56,323
And with that, Dissident cast
its third lead actress,
1502
01:05:56,423 --> 01:05:57,926
Greata Daniels.
1503
01:05:58,058 --> 01:06:01,629
Sometimes I think
you just say fancy words
1504
01:06:01,729 --> 01:06:04,064
and think that they make sense,
1505
01:06:04,164 --> 01:06:05,999
but they don't,
because you just want
1506
01:06:06,099 --> 01:06:07,669
to impress everybody around you.
1507
01:06:07,769 --> 01:06:11,773
Greata was a combination of
Marla Singer from Fight Club
1508
01:06:11,873 --> 01:06:14,174
and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl.
1509
01:06:14,274 --> 01:06:15,810
A beautiful disaster.
1510
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:17,177
You're so creepy.
Do you know that?
1511
01:06:17,277 --> 01:06:18,178
It's part of the thing.
1512
01:06:18,278 --> 01:06:20,247
I love it, but, like,
1513
01:06:20,347 --> 01:06:22,650
the shit that comes out
of your mouth sometimes
1514
01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:24,719
is just mind-blowing.
1515
01:06:25,118 --> 01:06:26,921
Greata was
a shooting star in the sky.
1516
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:32,359
Greata was a genius
1517
01:06:32,459 --> 01:06:33,728
wrapped in pain.
1518
01:06:33,828 --> 01:06:37,732
When I find girls like this,
I peel them like an onion.
1519
01:06:38,031 --> 01:06:40,234
And I peel all the pain
and the hurt
1520
01:06:40,334 --> 01:06:44,004
and the trauma
and the distrust.
1521
01:06:44,371 --> 01:06:46,306
And you know
what's in that onion?
1522
01:06:47,441 --> 01:06:48,643
A pearl.
1523
01:06:48,743 --> 01:06:50,712
I don't think Greata was ready
for Dissident,
1524
01:06:50,812 --> 01:06:54,949
but Dissident definitely
wasn't ready for Greata.
1525
01:06:55,048 --> 01:06:56,083
They explained this to me.
1526
01:06:56,183 --> 01:06:57,719
She, she's an alcoholic, right?
1527
01:06:57,819 --> 01:07:00,688
-That's what we're dealing with?
-No, no, no, no, no.
1528
01:07:00,788 --> 01:07:02,122
This just keeps her level.
1529
01:07:02,222 --> 01:07:04,726
-It keeps her on an even keel.
-It's my natural state.
1530
01:07:04,826 --> 01:07:07,227
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we
keep her at this even keel.
1531
01:07:07,327 --> 01:07:08,395
She's drunk
right at this moment?
1532
01:07:08,495 --> 01:07:09,631
No, no, I wouldn't
call it drunk.
1533
01:07:09,731 --> 01:07:11,098
-I would call it...
-You know what, Pearl?
1534
01:07:11,198 --> 01:07:12,567
A state of meditation.
1535
01:07:12,667 --> 01:07:14,802
That's exactly what we call it,
a state of meditation.
1536
01:07:14,903 --> 01:07:18,238
-It makes me a better actor.
-Yeah, and keep her even.
1537
01:07:18,606 --> 01:07:21,776
She was supposed to be
in rehab for 120 days.
1538
01:07:21,876 --> 01:07:25,613
We picked her up for production
on the 30th day.
1539
01:07:26,981 --> 01:07:28,816
I shot up
some Benadryl last night,
1540
01:07:28,917 --> 01:07:31,786
and then I did a lot of cocaine.
1541
01:07:32,486 --> 01:07:34,187
Do you think I'm gonna die?
1542
01:07:35,055 --> 01:07:36,024
What?
1543
01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:39,159
She just wasn't really easy
to work with,
1544
01:07:39,259 --> 01:07:42,329
but the second that she
really committed herself,
1545
01:07:42,429 --> 01:07:46,400
she's so talented
and incredible to watch.
1546
01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:50,203
I would find myself watching
her, like, magnetized almost,
1547
01:07:50,304 --> 01:07:52,339
like I could not take
my eyes away.
1548
01:07:52,439 --> 01:07:54,909
It was insane,
and everybody felt like that.
1549
01:07:55,009 --> 01:07:57,344
Everyone was obsessed
with her.
1550
01:07:57,444 --> 01:07:59,079
I mean, she could
have been a cult leader,
1551
01:07:59,179 --> 01:08:01,015
and we all would have
blindly followed
1552
01:08:01,114 --> 01:08:03,851
her every single move.
1553
01:08:04,284 --> 01:08:06,721
A little cute puppy,
and you just want to squeeze it
1554
01:08:06,821 --> 01:08:08,155
and throw it in the trash can.
1555
01:08:08,255 --> 01:08:09,724
I usually want to grab them
by their ankles and just,
1556
01:08:09,824 --> 01:08:10,959
you know, against the wall.
1557
01:08:11,059 --> 01:08:13,093
No, but, like, when a baby
is so cute, you just want to...
1558
01:08:13,193 --> 01:08:15,597
Greata was the most
unpredictable person
1559
01:08:15,697 --> 01:08:16,931
I've ever met.
1560
01:08:17,031 --> 01:08:20,034
I mean, you never knew which
version of her you would get
1561
01:08:20,133 --> 01:08:22,169
or if she would even show up.
1562
01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:24,005
Okay, I'll definitely
come tomorrow.
1563
01:08:24,104 --> 01:08:25,405
Okay, fantastic.
1564
01:08:25,506 --> 01:08:27,575
So, again, uh, Martin,
for you...
1565
01:08:27,675 --> 01:08:30,277
You couldn't count on Greata
for much,
1566
01:08:30,377 --> 01:08:31,713
but what you could count on is
1567
01:08:31,813 --> 01:08:35,148
the bigger the day, the less
likely it is she shows up.
1568
01:08:35,248 --> 01:08:37,184
Greata would just do
whatever she wanted.
1569
01:08:37,284 --> 01:08:39,119
It didn't matter
if she was shooting 30 minutes
1570
01:08:39,219 --> 01:08:40,788
or 30 hours on set.
1571
01:08:40,888 --> 01:08:43,992
She would just vanish.
Nobody could find her.
1572
01:08:44,358 --> 01:08:45,960
All right, good morning, boys.
1573
01:08:46,060 --> 01:08:47,795
How we doing today?
Listen, I, uh,
1574
01:08:47,895 --> 01:08:49,097
I just got off the phone,
1575
01:08:49,196 --> 01:08:51,633
and Greata's gonna be
a no-show today.
1576
01:08:51,733 --> 01:08:52,499
What?
1577
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:53,801
Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming.
1578
01:08:53,901 --> 01:08:55,970
-What happened to Greata?
-Well, it doesn't matter.
1579
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:58,006
A series of events
probably occurred,
1580
01:08:58,106 --> 01:09:00,440
all involving,
you know, strangers' dicks
1581
01:09:00,541 --> 01:09:02,877
and, uh, and, you know,
Colombian cocaine.
1582
01:09:02,977 --> 01:09:04,012
But that's not the point.
1583
01:09:04,112 --> 01:09:05,613
The point is she's not going
to be here.
1584
01:09:05,713 --> 01:09:07,214
Greata's gonna do
whatever she wants
1585
01:09:07,314 --> 01:09:08,382
at any given moment.
1586
01:09:08,482 --> 01:09:10,918
Um, she's driven
purely by instinct
1587
01:09:11,019 --> 01:09:13,588
and her own id, I think.
1588
01:09:13,688 --> 01:09:16,524
If she wants cocaine,
that's what she's gonna do.
1589
01:09:16,624 --> 01:09:19,093
If she wants to show up on set,
great, she'll be there that day.
1590
01:09:19,226 --> 01:09:21,562
If not, tough shit.
1591
01:09:21,996 --> 01:09:24,565
We're getting ready
to do the big helicopter scene,
1592
01:09:24,666 --> 01:09:27,200
stuns several cameras,
everybody's in place.
1593
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:30,104
It's a big, it's a big scene
to pull off.
1594
01:09:30,203 --> 01:09:31,839
Helicopter is in the air.
1595
01:09:31,939 --> 01:09:34,441
Everything is ready,
and Greata doesn't show up.
1596
01:09:34,542 --> 01:09:36,577
Yeah. No, it's okay.
We'll come get you.
1597
01:09:36,678 --> 01:09:38,579
Lisa, where's your fucking
client, boo?
1598
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,181
-I'm leaving her a voicemail.
-She's not on the phone?
1599
01:09:41,281 --> 01:09:43,818
She is at a Vietnamese
restaurant in Burbank.
1600
01:09:43,918 --> 01:09:45,218
Okay, okay. Can we...
1601
01:09:45,318 --> 01:09:47,555
I think she just felt
1602
01:09:47,655 --> 01:09:50,490
that production revolved
around her.
1603
01:09:50,591 --> 01:09:54,095
No consideration for cast,
no consideration for crew,
1604
01:09:54,194 --> 01:09:56,030
no consideration for Pace.
1605
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:57,565
Everyone out here is scared
of you.
1606
01:09:57,665 --> 01:09:59,867
I'm not scared of you.
I'm sexually attracted to you.
1607
01:09:59,967 --> 01:10:01,536
We're fucking
done! I'm done!
1608
01:10:01,636 --> 01:10:03,370
-Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay.
-Fuck you! Fuck you!
1609
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:06,941
Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry.
It's not about you.
1610
01:10:07,041 --> 01:10:08,009
Fuck you! I'm done.
1611
01:10:08,109 --> 01:10:09,476
I love you too, Pace.
1612
01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:12,146
We contracted Greata
for nine months.
1613
01:10:12,245 --> 01:10:14,749
She was killed on the 60th day,
1614
01:10:15,016 --> 01:10:19,319
and of the 60 days,
she only showed up on set 37.
1615
01:10:19,419 --> 01:10:21,723
You can let her know,
or you let Tedd know,
1616
01:10:21,823 --> 01:10:23,290
that if she does not
come tomorrow,
1617
01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:24,491
I will fucking kill her,
1618
01:10:24,592 --> 01:10:25,960
'cause I don't appreciate
the volatility.
1619
01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:28,529
She's not here now,
she won't be here permanently.
1620
01:10:28,629 --> 01:10:29,463
That's it.
1621
01:10:29,564 --> 01:10:33,300
Greata was murdered that night
by THK.
1622
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,368
The video of her murder,
like the others,
1623
01:10:35,469 --> 01:10:38,305
was posted
moments after it was taken.
1624
01:10:38,405 --> 01:10:39,674
And the next day,
1625
01:10:39,774 --> 01:10:45,546
the FBI officially classified
THK as a serial killer.
1626
01:10:45,646 --> 01:10:47,280
And that's when I got involved.
1627
01:11:00,194 --> 01:11:06,399
There's a level of infamy
that a serial killer makes it to
1628
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:08,736
when they become
known forever.
1629
01:11:08,836 --> 01:11:10,605
Pop culture icons.
1630
01:11:10,705 --> 01:11:12,840
White women can't get enough.
1631
01:11:12,940 --> 01:11:17,044
BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac.
1632
01:11:17,477 --> 01:11:20,047
Now we've got
The Hollywood Killer.
1633
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,482
The first thing I did
when I got on this case
1634
01:11:22,583 --> 01:11:24,585
was to subpoena the footage.
1635
01:11:24,685 --> 01:11:25,953
Upon reviewing it, I learned
1636
01:11:26,053 --> 01:11:29,090
that the cameras were rolling
the entire time.
1637
01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:31,358
Something which I kept
to myself,
1638
01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:33,360
as I knew this would be
1639
01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:35,730
my greatest resource
of evidence.
1640
01:11:36,296 --> 01:11:38,065
And it was.
1641
01:11:38,166 --> 01:11:39,567
If anything ever happened to me,
1642
01:11:39,667 --> 01:11:42,103
if I ever died,
look at fucking Melvin.
1643
01:11:42,203 --> 01:11:43,403
It's definitely Melvin.
1644
01:11:43,503 --> 01:11:46,339
It's never a good sign
when the murdered person
1645
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,709
calls you out by name,
1646
01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:52,146
but that's what happened
to our fifth suspect.
1647
01:11:52,246 --> 01:11:54,115
Melvin Asher.
1648
01:11:54,215 --> 01:11:56,651
The overwhelming theory
on Melvin
1649
01:11:56,751 --> 01:11:58,719
is that he wasn't happy
with the actresses
1650
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:01,656
and killed them one by one
until he got
1651
01:12:01,756 --> 01:12:03,925
the one he thought
could win him an Oscar.
1652
01:12:04,025 --> 01:12:08,328
His relationship with Greata
certainly didn't help his case.
1653
01:12:08,428 --> 01:12:11,331
Greata, if you fuck this movie
up for me,
1654
01:12:11,431 --> 01:12:12,900
I'll kill you.
1655
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,871
The three things I look for
in every serial killer's mind
1656
01:12:16,971 --> 01:12:20,473
are lack of remorse,
the need to control,
1657
01:12:20,575 --> 01:12:24,111
and narcissistic
personality disorder.
1658
01:12:24,377 --> 01:12:25,680
Can you tell me
a little bit
1659
01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:27,380
about your relationship
with Melvin?
1660
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,317
Yeah, I, uh,
1661
01:12:29,416 --> 01:12:30,818
I was the lead
of The Tarantula Prince.
1662
01:12:30,918 --> 01:12:33,955
That's his first movie.
It's kind of what broke him out.
1663
01:12:34,055 --> 01:12:35,022
You're welcome.
1664
01:12:39,426 --> 01:12:42,129
To your death!
1665
01:13:01,315 --> 01:13:05,686
Yeah!
1666
01:13:06,287 --> 01:13:11,025
On paper, Melvin's probably
your prototype for a killer.
1667
01:13:11,125 --> 01:13:13,460
He's got the size,
he's got the anger,
1668
01:13:13,561 --> 01:13:15,029
he's got the snapping,
1669
01:13:15,129 --> 01:13:16,631
all the psychosis that goes
1670
01:13:16,731 --> 01:13:18,299
into being able
to murder someone.
1671
01:13:18,398 --> 01:13:20,368
Hey, have you seen
this man's intensity?
1672
01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:21,769
Wait till you interview him.
1673
01:13:21,869 --> 01:13:23,604
That guy doesn't say anything
on accident.
1674
01:13:23,704 --> 01:13:27,575
I think his entire life story
is rehearsed in a mirror, man.
1675
01:13:31,846 --> 01:13:35,316
Today is the day I win an Oscar.
1676
01:13:35,616 --> 01:13:38,319
I will win an Oscar today.
1677
01:13:38,418 --> 01:13:40,087
I am not a contender.
1678
01:13:40,187 --> 01:13:42,189
I am the fucking adventurer.
1679
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:44,358
I will win this fucking Oscar.
1680
01:13:44,457 --> 01:13:46,627
I am not a loser. I am a winner.
1681
01:13:46,727 --> 01:13:49,730
I am not a bridesmaid.
I'm the fucking bride.
1682
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:50,965
Let's go.
1683
01:13:52,499 --> 01:13:55,569
Do you think there's any chance
1684
01:13:55,670 --> 01:13:58,839
that Melvin Asher
was the killer?
1685
01:13:58,940 --> 01:14:02,877
Yeah, sure.
Uh, it's, uh, possible.
1686
01:14:03,244 --> 01:14:06,113
If I was to write the story
of Melvin as murderer,
1687
01:14:06,213 --> 01:14:07,515
I would tell it like this.
1688
01:14:07,615 --> 01:14:09,717
A man who has already achieved
1689
01:14:09,817 --> 01:14:12,119
great wealth and success
and fame
1690
01:14:12,219 --> 01:14:14,055
from the movies he's done
and yet is not satisfied.
1691
01:14:14,155 --> 01:14:15,756
He wants prestige.
He wants something more.
1692
01:14:15,856 --> 01:14:18,159
He wants to be taken seriously.
And he finds himself
1693
01:14:18,259 --> 01:14:20,528
on a movie where he believes
he can do just that.
1694
01:14:20,628 --> 01:14:22,596
And yet there are women
1695
01:14:22,697 --> 01:14:25,366
that he perceives to be
in his way.
1696
01:14:25,465 --> 01:14:27,500
Now, what does a man
1697
01:14:27,601 --> 01:14:29,737
who knows
he cannot achieve happiness
1698
01:14:29,837 --> 01:14:32,840
unless he wins an award
for this film,
1699
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:35,109
what is this man willing
to do?
1700
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:36,744
Would he kill for it?
1701
01:14:36,844 --> 01:14:39,647
In this story,
I believe he does.
1702
01:14:39,747 --> 01:14:43,351
You know, signing on to
Dissident was a dream for me.
1703
01:14:43,451 --> 01:14:44,484
Hey, Melvin.
1704
01:14:44,585 --> 01:14:47,154
What do you think bad acting
looks like?
1705
01:14:48,556 --> 01:14:50,057
-Like bad acting?
-There it is.
1706
01:14:50,157 --> 01:14:52,626
I see it. It's, it's like this.
I see it right now.
1707
01:14:52,727 --> 01:14:54,295
-Stop it.
-All right. All right, let's go.
1708
01:14:54,395 --> 01:14:57,465
Working with Pace is something
1709
01:14:57,565 --> 01:15:01,268
I wish every performer
could do.
1710
01:15:01,602 --> 01:15:05,039
Okay, he pulls the artist
from the actor.
1711
01:15:05,139 --> 01:15:07,274
And after doing
the Quick and Quicker films
1712
01:15:07,375 --> 01:15:09,143
for the last decade,
1713
01:15:09,243 --> 01:15:10,644
it's what I needed.
1714
01:15:10,745 --> 01:15:13,414
But knowing this footage
is out there,
1715
01:15:13,514 --> 01:15:15,316
I can understand how people
1716
01:15:15,416 --> 01:15:17,184
could have this perception
of me.
1717
01:15:17,284 --> 01:15:22,556
I hope they know that I truly,
truly cared about this film.
1718
01:15:22,857 --> 01:15:25,226
And then at my core, I'm...
1719
01:15:25,326 --> 01:15:27,561
You know, I'm just a good guy.
1720
01:15:27,661 --> 01:15:29,797
What the fuck, man?
1721
01:15:29,897 --> 01:15:33,100
Ivan, what are we
fucking doing?!
1722
01:15:34,135 --> 01:15:36,370
I know people have
their opinions on him,
1723
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:38,439
but I love Melvin.
1724
01:15:38,539 --> 01:15:39,874
He's my godfather.
1725
01:15:39,974 --> 01:15:42,043
He took that role
very seriously.
1726
01:15:42,143 --> 01:15:44,645
He postponed production
on a major motion picture
1727
01:15:44,745 --> 01:15:46,414
so he wouldn't miss
the opening night
1728
01:15:46,515 --> 01:15:47,882
of my school play.
1729
01:15:47,982 --> 01:15:50,851
He taught me how to drive
when I was, like, 13.
1730
01:15:50,951 --> 01:15:55,356
And he was the first person
to say, "Do it,"
1731
01:15:55,456 --> 01:15:57,591
when I wanted to make movies.
1732
01:15:57,691 --> 01:16:01,762
That being said,
he had issues with the girls.
1733
01:16:02,396 --> 01:16:03,764
He fought with Ava.
1734
01:16:03,864 --> 01:16:05,466
It's really hard to act
with somebody who's so dumb,
1735
01:16:05,566 --> 01:16:06,535
but it's okay.
1736
01:16:06,634 --> 01:16:07,668
This is a Melvin thing?
1737
01:16:07,768 --> 01:16:09,170
-Because of his stupidity?
-"So dumb"?
1738
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:11,272
We had an entire
meeting about how stupid he is.
1739
01:16:11,372 --> 01:16:12,406
"So dumb"?
1740
01:16:12,507 --> 01:16:13,974
I mean, he has
45 million dollars, so...
1741
01:16:14,075 --> 01:16:17,678
Yeah, you know communication
is only 30% verbal, right?
1742
01:16:17,778 --> 01:16:19,180
So what you said doesn't matter.
1743
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,215
I don't know that you know what
you're talking about at all.
1744
01:16:21,315 --> 01:16:22,450
I'm, guys, I'm so tired.
1745
01:16:22,551 --> 01:16:23,818
I really am hungry
and I gotta go.
1746
01:16:23,918 --> 01:16:24,952
Don't run away
from the fight.
1747
01:16:25,052 --> 01:16:26,487
-Just engage with him.
-Oh, no, no, no--
1748
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:27,955
He's an asshole. He's the worst.
1749
01:16:28,055 --> 01:16:30,024
An asshole? I was trying
to help. I was trying to help.
1750
01:16:30,124 --> 01:16:32,293
-Subtext, okay? Great, awesome.
-Oh, yeah.
1751
01:16:32,393 --> 01:16:33,327
Oh, okay. So you're just--
1752
01:16:33,427 --> 01:16:35,729
You're so smart, sweetie.
Yeah, just look pretty.
1753
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:37,631
You're very handsome.
That's good for you.
1754
01:16:37,731 --> 01:16:39,166
-Thank you. I appreciate that.
-Can we go?
1755
01:16:39,266 --> 01:16:42,303
He never thought Barbera
was right for the role.
1756
01:16:42,636 --> 01:16:44,705
-Get rid of her.
-No, I--
1757
01:16:44,805 --> 01:16:46,440
You know how much money
that's gonna cost?
1758
01:16:46,541 --> 01:16:47,842
You know,
all the things involved.
1759
01:16:47,942 --> 01:16:49,610
I don't know if I have it in me.
1760
01:16:49,710 --> 01:16:52,980
John, it'll cost you less money.
I'll waive my fee.
1761
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,549
And Greata?
1762
01:16:54,648 --> 01:16:58,185
Well, he despised Greata.
1763
01:16:58,587 --> 01:17:00,221
This has been the pinnacle
of my career,
1764
01:17:00,321 --> 01:17:01,822
working with each and every one
of you.
1765
01:17:01,922 --> 01:17:04,859
I appreciate and I love
1766
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:07,895
every single one of you
on this set, okay?
1767
01:17:07,995 --> 01:17:09,763
And I just wanna,
I just wanna thank you.
1768
01:17:09,864 --> 01:17:12,133
I love you all.
Uh, except for Greata.
1769
01:17:12,233 --> 01:17:14,401
I hope she fucking dies.
All right, that's it.
1770
01:17:14,502 --> 01:17:15,769
-Let's go.
-You're done?
1771
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:19,340
Working with Greata was
the worst experience of my life.
1772
01:17:19,707 --> 01:17:22,176
-She even know here lines?
-You know your line?
1773
01:17:23,444 --> 01:17:25,713
-Of course I know my lines.
-Can you say for me, please?
1774
01:17:28,617 --> 01:17:30,951
-Pearl?
-There you go.
1775
01:17:31,051 --> 01:17:34,054
Greata did not deserve
to be in this movie.
1776
01:17:34,155 --> 01:17:37,626
She had no respect for the craft
or her fellow actors.
1777
01:17:37,725 --> 01:17:38,893
She didn't even remember
her fucking line!
1778
01:17:38,993 --> 01:17:40,227
Okay, okay, okay.
You know what I want?
1779
01:17:40,327 --> 01:17:41,695
Where's her juice?
Where's her fucking--
1780
01:17:41,795 --> 01:17:42,863
No, no, this is what we need.
1781
01:17:42,963 --> 01:17:44,599
You've done the action films,
right? Okay?
1782
01:17:44,698 --> 01:17:45,900
I want you to apply
some pressure.
1783
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,168
Sleeper hold.
Don't let her pass out!
1784
01:17:47,268 --> 01:17:49,103
Bro, you gotta fucking
microdose her!
1785
01:17:49,203 --> 01:17:50,104
Just a little bit.
1786
01:17:50,204 --> 01:17:51,472
-Give her her alcohol.
-That's the microdose!
1787
01:17:51,573 --> 01:17:54,975
I wanted to be
exceptional in this film.
1788
01:17:55,075 --> 01:17:56,677
And she was inhibiting me
1789
01:17:56,777 --> 01:17:59,313
from reaching my potential
with this character.
1790
01:17:59,413 --> 01:18:01,182
And I have to be honest.
1791
01:18:03,150 --> 01:18:05,052
It affected me.
1792
01:18:05,452 --> 01:18:09,456
Greata, do you know how many
scenes in cars I've had to do
1793
01:18:09,558 --> 01:18:13,060
to do this scene
in this fucking car?
1794
01:18:13,528 --> 01:18:17,031
First you threaten me,
and then you fucking yell at me!
1795
01:18:17,131 --> 01:18:18,567
I don't know
who you think you are,
1796
01:18:18,667 --> 01:18:20,267
but you're messing
with the wrong person.
1797
01:18:20,367 --> 01:18:22,336
You really don't wanna
fucking threaten me.
1798
01:18:22,436 --> 01:18:26,707
Melvin hates Greata
more than I hate Tedd.
1799
01:18:27,174 --> 01:18:31,412
My entire fucking life
I worked to be here!
1800
01:18:31,513 --> 01:18:34,549
In this car? Right now?
God, that must be depressing.
1801
01:18:34,649 --> 01:18:37,218
It was never-ending,
all day,
1802
01:18:37,318 --> 01:18:40,487
every day.
Greata, Greata, Greata.
1803
01:18:43,357 --> 01:18:44,458
She's doing fucking coke.
1804
01:18:44,559 --> 01:18:46,528
She's showing up late.
It's un-fucking-believable, man!
1805
01:18:46,628 --> 01:18:47,928
Hey, calm down.
1806
01:18:48,028 --> 01:18:51,198
No, no, she's fucking up
Pace's words, right?
1807
01:18:51,298 --> 01:18:55,069
She's fucking up Ivan's vision,
and she's fucking up my Oscar!
1808
01:18:55,369 --> 01:18:56,737
It's fucking, God...
1809
01:18:56,837 --> 01:18:59,206
If it's meant to be,
you'll get the Oscar.
1810
01:18:59,306 --> 01:19:01,742
-I am gonna get the Oscar.
-That's what I'm talking about.
1811
01:19:01,842 --> 01:19:05,547
She's fucking it up, man!
Pisses me off.
1812
01:19:05,647 --> 01:19:07,781
If all that wasn't enough,
1813
01:19:07,881 --> 01:19:11,051
Pace got Melvin to confess
to the murders.
1814
01:19:11,151 --> 01:19:13,821
You can do it.
"I strangled those three women."
1815
01:19:13,921 --> 01:19:16,023
-I strangled those three women.
-"And it felt good."
1816
01:19:16,123 --> 01:19:18,292
-And it felt good.
-"And it felt right."
1817
01:19:18,392 --> 01:19:20,427
-And it felt right.
-"Because it was right.
1818
01:19:20,528 --> 01:19:23,063
Especially fucking Greata."
1819
01:19:23,163 --> 01:19:25,065
Oh, yeah, that one! That one!
1820
01:19:26,367 --> 01:19:27,669
Yes! Yes.
1821
01:19:27,768 --> 01:19:30,170
That one felt good.
1822
01:19:30,271 --> 01:19:33,874
When he admitted
that he did the murder,
1823
01:19:33,974 --> 01:19:36,110
we didn't know whether
it was maybe performance,
1824
01:19:36,210 --> 01:19:39,179
you know, he's going after
that Oscar or not,
1825
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,850
but, man, we all looked around
and said, "Holy shit."
1826
01:19:44,118 --> 01:19:46,954
What do you have
to say about the confession?
1827
01:19:48,657 --> 01:19:50,324
Method acting.
1828
01:19:51,292 --> 01:19:54,828
Melvin never wanted Ava,
Barbera, or Greata
1829
01:19:54,928 --> 01:19:56,397
in Dissident.
1830
01:19:56,497 --> 01:20:00,200
There was only one actress he
thought was right for the part.
1831
01:20:00,301 --> 01:20:03,772
And after every murder,
he would pitch her to Tedd.
1832
01:20:03,871 --> 01:20:06,273
Sort of singles
until we find a new actress.
1833
01:20:06,373 --> 01:20:07,875
-By the way, I talked to Tedd.
-Huh?
1834
01:20:07,975 --> 01:20:09,843
-Audrey's available.
-Who?
1835
01:20:09,943 --> 01:20:11,312
Audrey Evans.
1836
01:20:11,412 --> 01:20:13,380
Who is Audrey Evans?
1837
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:14,481
You feel inspired?
1838
01:20:14,582 --> 01:20:17,686
No, I don't feel inspired.
I'm fucking freezing.
1839
01:20:17,786 --> 01:20:19,721
You can't take inspiration
from the cold?
1840
01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:21,855
I fucking hate you.
I, I fucking hate you.
1841
01:20:21,955 --> 01:20:23,692
I fantasize
about you fucking dying.
1842
01:20:23,792 --> 01:20:25,794
I hope you get fucking syphilis.
You probably already have it
1843
01:20:25,893 --> 01:20:27,127
because you're sleeping
with Ava.
1844
01:20:27,227 --> 01:20:29,229
I fucking hate you.
Everyone fucking hates you!
1845
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:31,700
-Okay, okay, okay.
-And I hope you fucking die!
1846
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,602
Now let's meet our fourth
and final girl,
1847
01:20:34,703 --> 01:20:36,170
Audrey Evans.
1848
01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:38,673
Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan.
1849
01:20:38,773 --> 01:20:40,140
She's really
an excellent actress.
1850
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,576
She does all her own stunts.
1851
01:20:41,676 --> 01:20:44,411
There's really very little
that she has not accomplished.
1852
01:20:44,512 --> 01:20:47,881
I do think that her ending up
in Dissident makes sense.
1853
01:20:47,981 --> 01:20:50,851
She's there in a way
to avenge
1854
01:20:50,951 --> 01:20:52,986
her co-star from Blue Orchid,
Greata,
1855
01:20:53,087 --> 01:20:55,022
who had a tragic fate
on Dissident.
1856
01:20:55,122 --> 01:20:57,191
And I think, I think
she kicks ass in the film.
1857
01:20:57,291 --> 01:20:59,561
I think she does a great job.
1858
01:21:00,227 --> 01:21:03,063
I was so excited
to do this movie.
1859
01:21:04,164 --> 01:21:05,332
But...
1860
01:21:05,999 --> 01:21:07,868
The time has come.
1861
01:21:13,508 --> 01:21:15,008
For what?
1862
01:21:16,944 --> 01:21:18,445
It's time.
1863
01:21:19,913 --> 01:21:24,485
I'm sorry.
Are we going?
1864
01:21:24,586 --> 01:21:25,520
This film was a nightmare.
1865
01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:28,222
I've never had a worse time
doing something.
1866
01:21:28,322 --> 01:21:30,157
They don't give you a script.
1867
01:21:30,257 --> 01:21:31,392
They don't tell you
what's happening.
1868
01:21:31,492 --> 01:21:33,695
You don't even know who else
is in the scene.
1869
01:21:33,795 --> 01:21:35,295
They just go.
They press record.
1870
01:21:35,396 --> 01:21:37,766
Actually, I don't even know
if they ever did press record
1871
01:21:37,866 --> 01:21:39,433
because it's just
constantly rolling.
1872
01:21:39,534 --> 01:21:41,736
You just go.
And people are just saying shit.
1873
01:21:41,836 --> 01:21:43,437
And you just have to go with it.
1874
01:21:43,538 --> 01:21:45,874
Why are you going along
with what he says?
1875
01:21:45,973 --> 01:21:47,274
Sister, I'm at the bottom
of the call sheet.
1876
01:21:47,374 --> 01:21:49,343
"Sister"?
What am I the fucking sister?
1877
01:21:49,443 --> 01:21:50,244
It's not my place!
1878
01:21:50,344 --> 01:21:51,746
I thought you were
my fucking friend.
1879
01:21:51,846 --> 01:21:53,113
-You are a joke.
-I am your friend.
1880
01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:55,048
-You fucking pussy!
-Ah! I'm your friend!
1881
01:21:55,149 --> 01:21:56,383
-You're a fucking loser!
-I'm your friend!
1882
01:21:56,483 --> 01:21:59,319
-You're a fucking--
-No! No! Ah!
1883
01:21:59,420 --> 01:22:01,188
-Not in the water!
-I fucking hate you!
1884
01:22:01,288 --> 01:22:03,525
I thought you were my friend,
you piece of shit!
1885
01:22:03,625 --> 01:22:06,795
Why are you just going along
with whatever the fuck he says?
1886
01:22:09,697 --> 01:22:11,599
I have no control here.
1887
01:22:11,699 --> 01:22:12,867
What you have to understand
1888
01:22:12,966 --> 01:22:14,968
is that Audrey
comes into this film,
1889
01:22:15,068 --> 01:22:16,771
I don't know, 500 days into it
or something.
1890
01:22:16,871 --> 01:22:19,774
She's the fourth actress.
Three actresses have died.
1891
01:22:19,874 --> 01:22:21,241
She's got a lot
on her shoulders.
1892
01:22:21,341 --> 01:22:24,244
I mean, this is someone
who is following in footsteps
1893
01:22:24,344 --> 01:22:25,914
that are basically tainted.
1894
01:22:26,013 --> 01:22:27,448
And finally, most fundamental,
1895
01:22:27,549 --> 01:22:29,082
have you ever been inside
a Turkish prison?
1896
01:22:29,183 --> 01:22:31,351
-Why are you yelling?
-Why am I yelling?
1897
01:22:31,452 --> 01:22:33,555
Because I'm fucking passionate!
Why aren't you yelling?
1898
01:22:33,655 --> 01:22:38,225
After her first week on set,
Audrey called me and she said,
1899
01:22:38,325 --> 01:22:41,295
"I'm going to take over
this fucking movie."
1900
01:22:41,395 --> 01:22:44,866
Some people get on a bad set
and they see it as a problem.
1901
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,802
I see it as an opportunity.
1902
01:22:48,368 --> 01:22:51,972
An opportunity to take over
the whole fucking production.
1903
01:22:53,575 --> 01:22:55,677
Choose a fucking side.
1904
01:22:57,545 --> 01:22:58,880
Cut!
1905
01:22:58,979 --> 01:23:01,816
Holy shit. Oh, my God.
1906
01:23:01,916 --> 01:23:03,718
Oh, calm down.
It's not even loaded.
1907
01:23:03,818 --> 01:23:05,085
Sorry.
1908
01:23:05,352 --> 01:23:08,890
I started off
as Audrey's assistant,
1909
01:23:08,989 --> 01:23:10,525
um, which, as we all know,
1910
01:23:10,625 --> 01:23:13,895
and you guys have seen,
um, was brutal.
1911
01:23:14,027 --> 01:23:16,831
Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on!
1912
01:23:16,931 --> 01:23:18,232
Oh, God. Oh, sorry.
1913
01:23:18,332 --> 01:23:21,636
I was one
of Audrey's biggest fans.
1914
01:23:21,736 --> 01:23:23,270
Oh, it's so hot.
1915
01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:24,939
Your mother called
and your agent called.
1916
01:23:25,038 --> 01:23:26,674
Who would you like me
to call back first?
1917
01:23:26,774 --> 01:23:27,876
-My agent.
-Okay.
1918
01:23:27,976 --> 01:23:29,844
I got that. Oh, let me see.
1919
01:23:29,944 --> 01:23:32,446
I mean, I grew up looking up
to her.
1920
01:23:32,547 --> 01:23:35,115
She's one of those people
that does her own stunts.
1921
01:23:35,215 --> 01:23:38,820
She's like the modern day
female version of Tom Cruise.
1922
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,420
She's pretty incredible
and amazing.
1923
01:23:40,522 --> 01:23:43,591
Um, except she's just
a terrible person.
1924
01:23:44,559 --> 01:23:45,994
I'm just really overwhelmed!
1925
01:23:46,093 --> 01:23:48,161
How is he supposed to do his job
if you're standing here crying?
1926
01:23:48,262 --> 01:23:51,331
-Yeah, you think about that.
-Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa!
1927
01:23:51,431 --> 01:23:54,836
Oh, my God,
just go to my trailer!
1928
01:23:55,168 --> 01:23:58,071
Fuck me! Sorry, she's just...
1929
01:23:58,171 --> 01:24:00,140
I remember Audrey's first day.
1930
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,408
Pace said he wanted to test her,
1931
01:24:01,509 --> 01:24:04,278
but I think he wanted
to make her quit.
1932
01:24:04,378 --> 01:24:07,381
I need
less acting from the fire!
1933
01:24:07,481 --> 01:24:10,852
Down! Take it down!
1934
01:24:10,952 --> 01:24:13,788
Look, we burned
through 11 Ferraris that day
1935
01:24:13,888 --> 01:24:16,024
to get a 10-second scene.
1936
01:24:16,290 --> 01:24:19,159
To Audrey, this was
all insane, but to all of us,
1937
01:24:19,259 --> 01:24:22,597
this was just another
typical day on Dissident.
1938
01:24:22,697 --> 01:24:25,600
You met me at
a strange time in my life.
1939
01:24:29,303 --> 01:24:32,105
We were so fortunate
to have Audrey.
1940
01:24:32,205 --> 01:24:33,473
She made this movie
1941
01:24:33,575 --> 01:24:36,310
and was just a pleasure
to share scenes with.
1942
01:24:36,410 --> 01:24:38,813
I know Audrey hated
Pace's methods,
1943
01:24:38,913 --> 01:24:40,782
but that's what it takes.
1944
01:24:40,882 --> 01:24:44,552
He does whatever he needs to get
the best out of you.
1945
01:24:44,652 --> 01:24:46,486
The real question
before we begin is,
1946
01:24:46,588 --> 01:24:49,691
do either of you know
what a paradox is?
1947
01:24:49,791 --> 01:24:51,559
-No.
-God, no.
1948
01:24:51,659 --> 01:24:53,995
And that's what he did
for Audrey.
1949
01:24:54,127 --> 01:24:55,897
He challenged her.
1950
01:24:55,997 --> 01:24:58,332
Both of you are movie stars
1951
01:24:58,432 --> 01:25:00,902
and yet are completely
without talent.
1952
01:25:01,002 --> 01:25:02,336
-This is a paradox.
-What?
1953
01:25:02,436 --> 01:25:04,706
It's not
that she's deeply untalented.
1954
01:25:04,806 --> 01:25:05,707
I won't say that.
1955
01:25:05,807 --> 01:25:08,743
I, I don't think Audrey
is, is untalented.
1956
01:25:08,843 --> 01:25:10,545
The, the issue is, you know,
1957
01:25:10,645 --> 01:25:13,648
what is your talent,
uh, being used for?
1958
01:25:13,748 --> 01:25:16,751
And like a cancer,
uh, Audrey's talent
1959
01:25:16,851 --> 01:25:21,990
is to turn the facets of life
of the film
1960
01:25:22,090 --> 01:25:23,091
in on themselves
1961
01:25:23,190 --> 01:25:25,727
and to destroy
from, from within.
1962
01:25:25,827 --> 01:25:30,565
Um, so a talented girl,
uh, uh, a terrible actress.
1963
01:25:30,665 --> 01:25:33,801
Whether you like him
or not, Pace is the boss.
1964
01:25:34,201 --> 01:25:36,671
And Audrey always wants to be
the boss.
1965
01:25:36,771 --> 01:25:37,839
She's a control freak.
1966
01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:41,375
She needs to take over
everything and manipulate it.
1967
01:25:41,475 --> 01:25:44,012
I'm about to
fucking direct this myself
1968
01:25:44,112 --> 01:25:45,813
if you don't fucking figure
your shit out!
1969
01:25:45,913 --> 01:25:49,416
I have, like, 0% body fat,
I'm fucking freezing,
1970
01:25:49,517 --> 01:25:52,386
and this has been going on
way too long!
1971
01:25:53,521 --> 01:25:54,622
Ah, shit!
1972
01:25:54,722 --> 01:25:57,725
-Don't fucking touch me!
-I don't know.
1973
01:25:57,825 --> 01:25:59,393
God, fuck!
1974
01:25:59,493 --> 01:26:01,829
I need you
to get this pine cone down!
1975
01:26:01,929 --> 01:26:05,232
Oh, my God! Where are you going?
1976
01:26:05,332 --> 01:26:07,969
To get the pine cone down!
1977
01:26:08,268 --> 01:26:09,737
I called Tedd,
crying,
1978
01:26:09,837 --> 01:26:13,206
begged him to get me out
of this shit show.
1979
01:26:13,541 --> 01:26:16,110
And I'll never forget
what he said.
1980
01:26:16,511 --> 01:26:19,814
He said, "The only way you're
getting out of this film
1981
01:26:19,914 --> 01:26:21,549
is in a body bag."
1982
01:26:24,418 --> 01:26:27,220
You just make up your mind,
I will do whatever you want.
1983
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,290
Just choose one thing
and I will fucking...
1984
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:31,491
You'll do whatever I want?
1985
01:26:31,592 --> 01:26:32,860
I will, I will do
whatever you want.
1986
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,930
That's fantastic.
Quit! Quit.
1987
01:26:37,297 --> 01:26:38,498
Quit. Leave the set.
1988
01:26:38,599 --> 01:26:41,536
I can't fire you 'cause I, I
already fired, uh, Barb,
1989
01:26:41,636 --> 01:26:43,071
tried to, then they killed her.
1990
01:26:43,171 --> 01:26:44,271
Greata, tried,
then they killed her.
1991
01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:45,807
Well, hopefully,
they'll fucking kill me.
1992
01:26:45,907 --> 01:26:48,142
I... God, you're
preaching to the fucking choir!
1993
01:26:48,241 --> 01:26:49,977
But if you want to avoid that,
1994
01:26:50,078 --> 01:26:52,113
why don't you just walk off
the set?
1995
01:26:52,345 --> 01:26:54,115
You know what I mean?
Wouldn't that be easier?
1996
01:26:54,214 --> 01:26:55,516
You just let go.
1997
01:26:55,616 --> 01:26:57,417
Imagine someone has their hands
around your throat, okay?
1998
01:26:57,518 --> 01:26:58,753
Just tell me what you want--
1999
01:26:58,853 --> 01:27:00,287
And they're--
I want you to quit.
2000
01:27:00,387 --> 01:27:01,689
I just want you to die.
You're struggling.
2001
01:27:01,789 --> 01:27:03,423
You're fighting back.
Just let go.
2002
01:27:03,524 --> 01:27:06,728
Let darkness take you.
Return to the void.
2003
01:27:06,828 --> 01:27:08,529
Just let go. There it is.
2004
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:10,330
There it is. She's letting go.
2005
01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:12,867
We see that? Let go. Okay.
2006
01:27:12,967 --> 01:27:13,968
Keep letting go.
2007
01:27:14,068 --> 01:27:15,335
Beautiful. Can we roll?
2008
01:27:15,435 --> 01:27:18,873
- We rolling? Okay. Let go.
- Yeah, we're rolling.
2009
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,777
This is beautiful.
All right. And action.
2010
01:27:25,445 --> 01:27:28,381
No, you're holding on.
Let go. Let go!
2011
01:27:28,482 --> 01:27:30,585
No, don't make a snow angel.
There it is!
2012
01:27:30,685 --> 01:27:31,552
She let go.
2013
01:27:31,652 --> 01:27:33,821
Pace can say he hated Audrey
all he wants,
2014
01:27:33,921 --> 01:27:36,691
but he did all of this
very intentionally to get
2015
01:27:36,791 --> 01:27:39,160
the performance out of her
that he wanted.
2016
01:27:39,259 --> 01:27:40,795
And it worked.
2017
01:27:43,197 --> 01:27:46,399
If you're lucky enough to get
out of here with your life,
2018
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:49,402
you better thank whatever God
you pray to.
2019
01:27:50,972 --> 01:27:52,540
You don't work
with people like Audrey.
2020
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,509
You subvert them.
You survive them.
2021
01:27:54,609 --> 01:27:57,111
You participate
in little wars against them.
2022
01:27:57,211 --> 01:28:00,280
Small coups. You undermine them.
2023
01:28:01,215 --> 01:28:03,316
And you hope to God
that they die
2024
01:28:03,416 --> 01:28:05,119
of some sort of coronary event
2025
01:28:05,219 --> 01:28:07,088
before they ever complete
whatever task
2026
01:28:07,188 --> 01:28:08,856
they have set out on.
2027
01:28:11,424 --> 01:28:14,195
Which brings us
to Audrey's attempted murder.
2028
01:28:14,327 --> 01:28:16,631
As you have seen,
even someone as gifted
2029
01:28:16,731 --> 01:28:18,398
as gifted as
The Hollywood Killer
2030
01:28:18,498 --> 01:28:21,903
was not able to complete
a scene with her.
2031
01:28:22,003 --> 01:28:23,905
Or was he?
2032
01:29:41,182 --> 01:29:43,483
Despite...
2033
01:29:43,584 --> 01:29:47,420
having all
of the circumstances
2034
01:29:47,521 --> 01:29:49,557
that allowed him to complete
2035
01:29:49,657 --> 01:29:53,227
these previous murders
successfully abdicates.
2036
01:29:53,327 --> 01:29:56,030
Have you seen the video?
He lets her go.
2037
01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:58,599
Help!
2038
01:30:02,270 --> 01:30:06,073
Help!
2039
01:30:06,473 --> 01:30:07,775
Production on Dissident
wrapped
2040
01:30:07,875 --> 01:30:09,510
two days
after the attempted murder,
2041
01:30:09,610 --> 01:30:11,712
and as of the recording
of this interview,
2042
01:30:11,812 --> 01:30:14,414
The Hollywood Killer
has stopped,
2043
01:30:14,715 --> 01:30:17,251
leading many people
to believe that the killings
2044
01:30:17,351 --> 01:30:19,620
were motivated
by the killer's desire
2045
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,622
to shut down Dissident.
2046
01:30:22,256 --> 01:30:23,791
With that in mind,
2047
01:30:23,891 --> 01:30:27,427
I want to look back
at all of the suspects.
2048
01:30:27,728 --> 01:30:29,730
Christopher Pace swore
2049
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:32,767
that he would do anything
to protect his film,
2050
01:30:32,867 --> 01:30:35,002
even burn it to the ground.
2051
01:30:35,102 --> 01:30:39,140
Lawrence Hughes was devastated
with Ava leaving him
2052
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,943
and vowed to destroy the film.
2053
01:30:42,043 --> 01:30:42,944
Tedd Mankiewicz,
2054
01:30:43,044 --> 01:30:45,179
with a billion-dollar divorce
looming,
2055
01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:49,083
his reputation on the line,
and an ego-shattering affair
2056
01:30:49,183 --> 01:30:51,052
between Dustin and Barbera,
2057
01:30:51,152 --> 01:30:55,723
some say Dissident hurt Tedd
more than anyone else.
2058
01:30:55,823 --> 01:30:59,492
No one wanted the film to end
more than Dustin.
2059
01:30:59,593 --> 01:31:02,363
His downward spiral
of heartbreak, addiction,
2060
01:31:02,462 --> 01:31:07,467
and death took him to the edge
and pushed him right off.
2061
01:31:07,735 --> 01:31:12,273
Melvin Asher, on his quest
for perfection, as an actor,
2062
01:31:12,373 --> 01:31:15,676
Melvin made it clear
that he would destroy anyone
2063
01:31:15,776 --> 01:31:17,845
who stood in his way.
2064
01:31:17,945 --> 01:31:19,880
When I started,
I thought I was trying
2065
01:31:19,981 --> 01:31:21,949
to find something like
the Zodiac Killer.
2066
01:31:22,049 --> 01:31:25,319
But the longer this went on,
the more I realized this may be
2067
01:31:25,419 --> 01:31:28,322
more of
a Orient Express situation.
2068
01:31:28,422 --> 01:31:30,524
All the suspects
were isolated,
2069
01:31:30,624 --> 01:31:34,762
fed disinformation,
then weaponized with rage.
2070
01:31:34,862 --> 01:31:37,598
Hollywood Killer's
cinematic fingerprint
2071
01:31:37,698 --> 01:31:39,567
is different
in each of the murders.
2072
01:31:39,667 --> 01:31:41,435
We are watching
different killers
2073
01:31:41,535 --> 01:31:43,604
working from the same script.
2074
01:31:43,704 --> 01:31:46,807
But the question is,
who wrote it?
2075
01:31:46,907 --> 01:31:50,444
After 20 years
of profiling serial killers,
2076
01:31:50,544 --> 01:31:52,680
there's one thing
I can tell you.
2077
01:31:52,780 --> 01:31:54,915
There's no way one suspect
2078
01:31:55,016 --> 01:31:56,817
could have killed
all three victims.
2079
01:31:56,917 --> 01:31:59,387
And there's no way
these people work together.
2080
01:31:59,487 --> 01:32:01,856
So after considering
all possibilities,
2081
01:32:01,956 --> 01:32:04,458
only one person
stood to benefit
2082
01:32:04,558 --> 01:32:06,394
from all three deaths.
2083
01:32:06,494 --> 01:32:08,796
The man who owns 20%
of the film,
2084
01:32:08,896 --> 01:32:11,532
who kept the cameras rolling
the whole time,
2085
01:32:11,632 --> 01:32:14,568
and used the murders
of these three actresses
2086
01:32:14,668 --> 01:32:18,072
to launch the most impactful
marketing campaign
2087
01:32:18,172 --> 01:32:20,007
in cinema history.
2088
01:32:24,045 --> 01:32:26,213
They say there's nothing
more deceptive
2089
01:32:26,313 --> 01:32:27,815
than an obvious fact.
2090
01:32:27,915 --> 01:32:31,852
And the fact is
the mastermind of all of this
2091
01:32:31,952 --> 01:32:36,023
was there the whole time,
hiding in plain sight.
2092
01:32:36,123 --> 01:32:38,726
I've been working on this
documentary for a long time.
2093
01:32:38,826 --> 01:32:41,896
And I think when it comes out
and people see this,
2094
01:32:41,996 --> 01:32:44,598
they're going to think
that you did this on purpose.
2095
01:32:45,166 --> 01:32:46,867
You know what?
2096
01:32:46,967 --> 01:32:51,205
This world is all about
the court of public opinion.
2097
01:32:51,305 --> 01:32:53,074
And I'm not interested in it.
2098
01:32:53,174 --> 01:32:55,743
I'm just interested
in creating art.
2099
01:32:55,843 --> 01:32:58,946
Hopefully, my work will be
judged by the art that I leave,
2100
01:32:59,046 --> 01:33:00,147
that I create.
2101
01:33:00,247 --> 01:33:02,416
There's no denying that.
Dissident is a masterpiece
2102
01:33:02,517 --> 01:33:05,453
and the biggest movie
of all time.
2103
01:33:05,554 --> 01:33:07,556
And it changed
the film industry forever.
2104
01:33:07,655 --> 01:33:11,092
I know.
I think that's my legacy.
2105
01:33:14,061 --> 01:33:15,763
So I guess
the question I wanna know,
2106
01:33:15,863 --> 01:33:17,932
and I guess the question
everybody wants to know, is,
2107
01:33:18,032 --> 01:33:20,234
did you know
this was gonna happen?
2108
01:33:25,372 --> 01:33:28,309
Every great cinematic villain
has that moment
2109
01:33:28,409 --> 01:33:29,877
when they reveal their plan.
2110
01:33:29,977 --> 01:33:33,147
They do it because they know,
no matter what they say,
2111
01:33:33,247 --> 01:33:34,648
you can't stop it.
2112
01:33:34,748 --> 01:33:37,451
But Demy's plan was
to change Hollywood forever.
2113
01:33:37,552 --> 01:33:38,886
And he did that.
2114
01:33:38,986 --> 01:33:42,123
Give someone a mirror
and they will see themselves.
2115
01:33:42,223 --> 01:33:45,126
Give them art
and you will see their soul.
2116
01:33:45,226 --> 01:33:49,531
And now his masterpiece
is complete.
2117
01:33:49,630 --> 01:33:53,267
We burned
through $90 million of film.
2118
01:33:53,535 --> 01:33:54,702
If you ruin
this movie,
2119
01:33:54,802 --> 01:33:55,903
I'll have you killed.
2120
01:33:56,003 --> 01:33:57,471
What does it take
to be an actor?
2121
01:33:57,572 --> 01:33:58,706
Do you think
I'm gonna die?
2122
01:33:58,806 --> 01:34:00,307
I got
that murder energy.
2123
01:34:00,407 --> 01:34:02,943
Does yelling make a scene good?
2124
01:34:03,043 --> 01:34:04,546
The only way
you're getting out of here
2125
01:34:04,645 --> 01:34:05,746
is in a body bag.
2126
01:34:05,846 --> 01:34:07,114
There are no
second takes in life.
2127
01:34:07,214 --> 01:34:09,551
It's unfortunate
the way it is all laid out.
2128
01:34:11,553 --> 01:34:12,820
I don't want to die.
2129
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,156
I miss her more
than any human being
2130
01:34:15,256 --> 01:34:16,357
that's ever lived.
2131
01:34:16,457 --> 01:34:18,025
They hear
that level of passion.
2132
01:34:18,125 --> 01:34:19,760
They hear that level
of commitment.
2133
01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:21,729
And they want to be
involved in it.
2134
01:34:21,829 --> 01:34:23,197
Why do you watch this?
2135
01:34:23,297 --> 01:34:25,466
What I'm here for
is for that image.
2136
01:34:25,567 --> 01:34:27,768
Now we're going
to have to improvise.
2137
01:34:27,868 --> 01:34:29,937
You find out about
three women
2138
01:34:30,037 --> 01:34:32,173
starring in this
one movie all die.
2139
01:34:32,273 --> 01:34:34,074
You don't get news
like that every day.
2140
01:34:34,175 --> 01:34:35,743
Making a film
requires
2141
01:34:35,843 --> 01:34:37,278
the greatest sacrifice.
2142
01:34:37,378 --> 01:34:39,947
He might be the best
director that we've ever seen.
2143
01:34:40,047 --> 01:34:41,650
And it's often
reputation.
2144
01:34:41,749 --> 01:34:43,284
That's the intent
of all my work.
2145
01:34:43,384 --> 01:34:46,621
I can just do
things that I normally...
2146
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,022
Do you know how many actresses
2147
01:34:48,122 --> 01:34:49,924
have died trying
to make this film?
2148
01:34:50,024 --> 01:34:52,026
It's the greatest
story ever told.
2149
01:34:52,126 --> 01:34:54,596
And Hollywood didn't write it.