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[birds chirping]
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[pensive music playing]
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[Christine] After I got Sam's confession,
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I gave the audio
to the local police department.
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I say, "I got a bombshell."
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"I have evidence. I have proof.
I have the proof you've been waiting for."
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[Sam] It was not adultery.
It was obedience.
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And I expected, maybe, you know,
within three days I would get a call back.
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You know, "Yep, this is it.
We're gonna go arrest him."
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But it took a while
for the police to get back to us.
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So we kept filming.
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[pensive music continues]
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[Tolga] Here we are in the Bentley
with the man with the plan.
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Wow, what an interior.
I love it. The white jacket and the tan.
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[beeping]
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I would ask questions
to try to get more information.
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So, I'm sorry
that I'm not educated in this.
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[Sam] That's all right.
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But it was revealed to you,
what to do to save them?
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All I know is I was sitting
in one of our meetings one morning,
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and I was like, "Holy shit."
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And I said, "I will obey."
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'Cause the Lord told me
to… to do this thing.
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So do you think that
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the reason you had to witness it
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was so that you would hurt?
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It is pain.
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They're my sweethearts. There's nothing
on the earth more precious to me
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than the virtue
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of women in general and my own wives.
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I think he wanted somebody to say,
"Wow. You must be the new Messiah,
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that you would hurt like Jesus."
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-I…
-[Christine] Did you cry?
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I couldn't even cry. I didn't even… I…
I was so shocked, I didn't cry. I don't…
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I don't think.
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Yeah, I did, sorry. I did cry.
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But watch,
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you'll… you'll find out
that God made me a prophet,
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and you'll find out
that people will come back.
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-They'll come begging… me for forgiveness.
-[Tolga] Yeah.
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[Christine] Do you see
more wives joining the family?
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[chuckles]
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Probably.
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[hesitating] Yeah. Yeah.
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[music ends]
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[poignant music playing]
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[rooster crowing]
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[Esther] When Christine recorded Sam
talking about the sexual abuse,
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I knew that it had her really worried
and worked up in her feelings
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about what was going on there.
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She was worried about the girls.
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[Sam] Thank you so much, Christine,
for everything also.
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We love you and God bless you.
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[Christine] Eventually,
I heard back from the police,
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who said that wasn't enough evidence.
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[intriguing music playing]
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[Sgt. Wilkinson] Christine had told me
about the recording.
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In that recording,
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Sam talks about adult men
having sex with young women.
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Um, I don't remember
exact wording, obviously. I…
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I haven't listened to it
since I listened to it the first time.
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It's not something
I like to… to burden myself with
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as… as we go through these cases
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because there is a lot
of information that comes
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that… that hurts a gentle heart.
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[intriguing music continues]
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We had a tape.
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We had Christine Marie,
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who could testify
that she created the tape.
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-[Sam] Do you feel unclean?
-[underage wife] No.
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[Sam] There was not wickedness.
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[Sgt. Wilkinson] Based on
this single tape,
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I didn't have enough for a warrant.
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What was missing was the finer elements.
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There was more evidence needed
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before we could start
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knocking at the hornet's nest,
if you will.
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What we know
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and what we can prove
beyond a reasonable doubt
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are two very different things.
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[insects chirping]
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-[Christine] Hey, darlin'.
-[woman on phone] Hello.
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[Christine] I talked to the investigator
to find out what they thought
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after listening to the evidence.
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-[Lola] Yes?
-But nope.
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[Lola] Oh my gosh.
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[Christine] Even though the tape
was strong, Sam could deny it.
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[Lola] Wow.
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[inhales deeply] In the meantime,
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he's just the cruelest bastard
I've ever met.
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[Lola] Yeah.
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I was worried for my mom.
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At the time,
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my mom was at risk
of going to a darker and darker place
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because of her firsthand experience
following someone like Sam Bateman.
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Never judge. 'Cause I've been there.
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I lost everything.
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I was scammed, and I was, like,
uh, almost not here anymore.
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I lost everything to being, uh…
to not understanding
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who is… who to trust and who not to trust.
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[Lola] Predators have just
always been drawn to her
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'cause she really sees the best in people.
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She sees the best in people
to a fault. [laughs]
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[Lola on phone] Ugh, scary.
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I was worried for her, but I also knew
that she was the only one
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who could actually get him put in jail.
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And to do that,
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she would have to go even deeper.
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[music fades]
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[Sam] I don't know.
Is that how it's supposed to be?
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Underneath the collar?
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Like, if we put it under the collar,
then it's not seen.
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-Okay, so do you want me to start?
-[Christine] Yeah. Yeah.
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-Okay, once upon a time…
-[wives laugh]
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…many, many moons ago… [chuckles]
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[pensive music playing]
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[Christine] While we were filming,
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I was trying to get to know the girls more
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and to understand
the women in Sam's group.
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One person at a time?
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Okay, start with your name.
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[Sam] We call her Mother Anna.
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I changed her name,
and she didn't even get mad at me.
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-[chuckles]
-[Christine] Ah.
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How did you go to Samuel?
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[Anna] In 2019.
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I was 22, and nobody
was gettin' married, you know.
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-Our people weren't havin' children.
-[Christine] Yeah.
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[Anna] But then my parents
started having children again.
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So I felt like
it was the right thing to do.
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[Christine] Yeah, I can understand that.
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[Sam] Okay, Mother Shiny,
we're ready to hear some stuff.
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To just have the impression
and go to a man
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was completely against our traditions.
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And yet, in my mind, I wanted to do it
because I wanted a baby so dang bad.
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And Samuel's name, it came into my mind.
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It said, "You belong to him."
This thing in the back of my mind.
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-[Christine] He did? Oh…
-No, in the back of my mind.
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-It was a still, small voice.
-A still, small voice.
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-But it shook you to the very center.
-Yeah, it was very clear.
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"You are a part
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of the greatest events in history."
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I know it's gonna sound weird,
but the spirit of God tells me to tell you
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that there was a power that linked
everything through the whole universe.
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I don't know why
the Lord opened my eyes to see,
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but I did.
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This is… This is real. It's a real thing.
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Am I wrong?
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-No.
-[Sam's wife] No.
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I… I'm not wrong.
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[Christine] I knew
they were putting on a show,
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but I didn't know exactly
what was going on behind the scenes.
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[music fades]
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[Sam on phone] Hello, Christine.
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Um, some of the girls were saying
that you wanted to hear more testimonies.
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Is that true or…?
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You bet it is.
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It's so inspiring to hear them,
and I think it serves you well.
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[Christine] I was not permitted
to be alone with the underage girls.
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How are you?
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But Sam started sending
his wives over to my house
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because he wanted us to film
these storytelling testimony sessions
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for the documentary.
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-[poignant music playing]
-[Sam's wife] Yay!
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[Christine] He wanted to capture
how much his girls love him.
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[chuckling]
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-[Sam's wife] Let's do it.
-[dog barking]
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[Christine] Do you guys want to, um, eat…
eat while she's talking?
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Just… Just don't burp.
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[women laughing]
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-[Christine] Are these your wedding rings?
-Yeah.
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[wives giggling]
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-[Christine] Do you have one?
-Yeah.
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That's what happens when you're
married to the best man in the world.
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[Christine] I wanna hear your thoughts
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about how you came to know
you were to be his wife.
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I knew that the Heavenly Father
wanted me to come be a part of his family.
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This is where I wanna be,
so that's why I'm here.
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I know that, like, he is
my only connection to Heavenly Father.
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I cannot get
to Heavenly Father without him.
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I have to have him. [chuckles]
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-[Christine] It's pretty powerful.
-[chuckles]
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-Your eternal life is in his hands?
-Mm-hmm.
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[Christine] Had you already told
your mother and father?
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My father knew about it when he called me.
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[Christine] How did you find out?
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She came and told me.
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There is one man on this earth I trust,
and that is Samuel Bateman.
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Samuel has come to wake us up to where…
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where we're headed if we don't obey.
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[Sam's wife] We're gonna head now.
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[Christine] Tell Samuel
it was very successful.
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See you.
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[crickets chirping]
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[Christine] Does it seem to you
that all those ladies love him?
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[Tolga] They don't love him.
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I mean, it's like… Ugh!
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-I mean, that…
-Remember, when you're undercover…
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you have to put your…
you have to compartmentalize.
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[Tolga] I mean, those girls trust you.
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More important that he's trusting you.
You know what I mean?
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That's… You gotta keep that going.
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[Christine] What do you think
about the mothers of these girls?
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[Tolga] The older ones have some problems,
but they deal with it, you know?
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Looking at all the girls there
that were Julia's…
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[Tolga] Yeah.
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[Christine] All of a sudden,
she has an empty nest
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because Samuel has taken
all her daughters.
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[tense music playing]
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[Tolga] That's fucked up.
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[Christine] All of those children,
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Julia thought
she was gonna continue raising.
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She didn't expect to lose **** at age ten.
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-You know?
-[Tolga] Yeah.
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[Christine] My heart
really breaks for her.
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-[Tolga] For Julia, yeah.
-[Christine] Yeah.
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This is such a fictional world.
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[birds chirping]
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[music fades]
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People didn't just jump into the situation
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with just open arms.
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[pensive music playing]
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My husband, Moroni,
and I had been married for over 25 years.
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And we didn't have any communication
with the prophet Warren Jeffs
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for many years.
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Not having church leadership
just right there to counsel with,
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it was hard.
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So I would ask questions to Moroni.
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Nothin' worth… worth anything
in this life is easy.
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[Julia] Women are taught
to submit to the men.
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And as the father,
he was the ruling power over our family.
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And so when Moroni started following Sam,
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that made me make that change too.
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And so, many of my sister-wives
and all of my daughters went to Sam.
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Some people do those fancy braids,
but I never learned how to do 'em.
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I did question the things we were doin'.
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But I said, well, maybe there's something
I'm not comprehending or understanding,
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and if I'll just hang on,
I can better understand it.
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Because I felt like he wouldn't
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ask me to do something
that would be harmful to myself
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or destructive to our family.
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[pensive music continues]
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[music fades]
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[Christine] So keep this
very, very confidential.
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It became clear
that if I wanted real information,
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I would have to talk to somebody
who was not under Sam's control.
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We have things to talk about.
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Moroni had a son named Warren Levi,
who did not support Sam.
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He was very worried
about his mother and his sisters
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and agreed to secretly meet with me.
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[Warren Levi] Starting in 2019,
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Sam married seven of my sisters
ranging in age from 20-ish
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down to nine years old.
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Married is just a phrase to say that
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Sam currently can do whatever he pleases…
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-Right.
-…with the girls.
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[Christine] Did you ever see
Sam kiss the underage girls?
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Yes.
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Oh my goodness.
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[brooding music playing]
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There was none of 'em that went easy
to get married to Sam. Not one of 'em.
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Every one of 'em
referred to him as the devil.
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I remember Sam came to me, and he's like,
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"The Lord has told me
that your little sister belongs to me."
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But I was like, "She's nine years old.
She's not ready for this mentally."
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But we've been taught
to respect our fathers.
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Don't question.
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The girls trust Moroni,
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and Moroni is owned by Sam Bateman.
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[brooding music continues]
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-[tapping]
-[Tolga] There you go.
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I knew the parallel
between every one of the prophets
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and… President Samuel R. Bateman.
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[Tolga] That's powerful stuff.
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I started spending a lot of time
with Sam's male followers.
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Especially Moroni.
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I'm learning from you.
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I wanted to understand why he's convinced
that Sam is speaking for God.
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How do you know
Samuel is the true prophet of God?
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I knew he had a position
before Heavenly Father that was above me.
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I… I could tell.
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[Tolga] All of a sudden,
Sam felt this and that and whatever?
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Oh, Tolga, this thing is so deep.
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Oh.
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[Christine] About eight months before
Sam named himself the prophet,
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Moroni started doing his own thinking.
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It's a time no one was supposed to be
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getting married, having babies.
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But Moroni started taking new wives
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and having children
without the blessings of Warren Jeffs.
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He was shunned by the town.
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He didn't know,
would he ever be FLDS again?
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I mean, that was his culture,
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his lifelong investment.
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He felt like
he had really sinned against God.
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[Moroni] We're in a hell of a fix.
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We say we know the spirit of God,
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but I've dabbled.
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We're gonna get
the shit whipped out of us.
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[Christine] Moroni,
he thinks, "I'm going to hell."
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"Life is over."
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But Sam, who now represents himself
as speaking for Warren Jeffs,
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starts embracing Moroni.
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He's offering a path
to salvation, basically.
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[keyboard clacking]
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Sam was putting him
and his family up on a pedestal.
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-[kid giggling]
-Hi, son.
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-[kid] I'm trying to hide, yeah.
-I know, but you gotta catch me first.
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Ahh!
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Moroni's like, "I have a second chance."
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At that point, Sam becomes God to Moroni.
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No man chose Samuel Rappylee Bateman.
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[intriguing music playing]
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God hath done it.
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Sam had no reservations now
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about commanding that people obey him.
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[keyboard clacking]
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Moroni would take his money,
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give everything to Sam,
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and then Sam wanted more
and more and more.
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Like Moroni's wives and daughters.
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-[Tolga] Yeah…
-Is that still recording?
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[Tolga] Yeah, sorry.
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-[crickets chirping]
-[wind whooshing]
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[Christine] We actually
are borrowing someone's car
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so nobody can recognize our car.
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[woman on phone] Oh, good.
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Come, and there's a house
with a white fence all the way around it.
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[Christine] Okay.
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-[brooding music playing]
-We'll just sit here quietly.
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I was looking to talk
to somebody that was on the inside
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who had talked to the girls one-on-one.
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[line ringing]
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Hey, I'm in the black car. Come on out.
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[Tolga] You're putting your beams
in somebody's bedroom.
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[Christine] There was an FLDS lady
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who was related
to all of the people who followed Sam
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in one way or another.
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She was really concerned
about what was going on.
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He has 'em so flippin' mixed up,
it's not funny.
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[Christine] There are children
being sexually molested.
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[Netty] It just doesn't make sense.
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Why does a girl have to get ruined
before she can get help?
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He is a predator.
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Using everything that they've been taught
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and turning it.
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[Christine] Yep.
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When he goes and digs into the scriptures,
and he tries to manipulate things
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and twist them to capture their purity.
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And they don't realize.
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I just, like…
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-Inside I really am grateful, but like…
-[baby crying]
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…like, there's all this selfishness.
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That's why you have to exert
that positive energy, and it goes away.
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Exert it, fervently.
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00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:51,880
-Okay?
-Okay.
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-And then just cheer up, babe.
-Okay.
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Thanks.
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[Christine] Naomi, who we call "Nomz,"
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was always next to Sam.
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[Netty] She only thinks
what he's planted in there.
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She doesn't even have
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a mind of her own anymore.
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She had been harassed to no end,
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and she finally got to the point
where she was exhausted,
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and she gave in.
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Oh boy.
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Nomz's aunt said,
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"I really don't know
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how this is gonna end up."
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She's seen the battle
that Nomz has mentally fought.
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It'll last forever.
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I don't mind that.
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[Naomi's aunt] My niece Naomi married Sam.
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It was really heartbreaking to my sister.
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Nomz, she was under a lot of pressure
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to go be part of Sam's family.
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[ominous music playing]
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-[Christine] You're wife number…?
-I'm 13.
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-[Christine] You're 13. Okay.
-Wife number 13.
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Okay.
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[Christine] It was Ladell Jr.
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who brought her
into the Sam Bateman group.
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[Tolga] What's your relation to Ladell?
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00:20:04,077 --> 00:20:05,871
-He's my cousin.
-[Tolga] Oh, he's your cousin.
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00:20:05,954 --> 00:20:10,334
Yeah, and he was also, like,
my caretaker for ten years.
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[Carole] Since Nomz was very young,
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Lud took care of her family.
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She really idolized Lud.
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00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:25,807
And when he started
to get in cahoots with Sam,
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he wanted Nomz to be
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a part of Sam's thing.
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Her mom tried really hard
to talk her out of it.
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But Nomz respected and loved Lud.
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He's like, "I feel impressed that
you should come out and listen to Samuel."
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Father Samuel, he said,
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"Heavenly Father impressed me
to tell you that you belong in my family."
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And like, I went, like, stone-cold.
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00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:58,966
Like, "No way. There goes my whole life.
There goes everything."
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00:20:59,049 --> 00:20:59,967
I mean… [chuckles]
401
00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:03,762
Ladell would talk to her,
and he would send her texts.
402
00:21:05,055 --> 00:21:07,474
It took a very long time to convince her.
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00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:11,937
[Naomi] It wasn't till, like, November
that I actually got married.
404
00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:17,192
But once I had committed,
like, submitted myself to it
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00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:20,779
was when Heavenly Father
gave me the courage and the strength.
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She'd been coerced
and kind of manipulated into it.
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00:21:27,703 --> 00:21:30,831
[Naomi] I mean, I was like,
this has to be right.
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00:21:30,914 --> 00:21:33,041
If it's not right, what is?
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00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:34,376
I would like to know.
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00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:38,297
I've lived my entire life
not knowing what the right thing is,
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00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:39,840
and I wanna know what is right.
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[Christine] So,
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00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,636
Naomi, did you make the right decision?
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00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,346
I did. [chuckles]
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00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:50,684
The only thing I regret
is that I didn't go sooner.
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00:21:50,767 --> 00:21:53,478
-[Christine] Really? Wow.
-That's the only thing I regret in life.
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00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:56,606
[Carole] We groomed our girls for this.
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We're not teaching them
to question authority.
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00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:03,405
We're not teaching them
to be critical thinkers.
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00:22:04,197 --> 00:22:06,325
We're teaching 'em strict obedience.
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00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:15,625
[music fades]
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00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:18,128
[Christine] What do you think
represents you guys really well?
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00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:20,130
-Class. Probably.
-[laughing]
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00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:21,548
I don't know. What you think?
425
00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:24,551
-Yeah.
-[Christine] When do you do class next?
426
00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:26,845
-We can do it right now.
-[Christine gasps] Let's do it.
427
00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:30,515
Sam did a lot of trainings.
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00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:32,934
Hours and hours and hours of class.
429
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,688
And they became
more bizarre by the minute.
430
00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:38,106
Good.
431
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:39,900
Anyway, I was just explaining
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00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,319
that, uh, goals…
433
00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:44,404
Goals are so important.
434
00:22:44,488 --> 00:22:46,448
So write down your goals.
We actually have--
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00:22:46,531 --> 00:22:49,034
I don't have mine with me,
but we have goal cards.
436
00:22:49,117 --> 00:22:50,994
Pull out your goal cards, would ya?
437
00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:54,581
-I'd love to hear some of your goals.
-[Sam] Yes.
438
00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:58,377
My goals are to be
the most influential person on Earth.
439
00:22:58,460 --> 00:22:59,336
[Christine] Mm-hmm.
440
00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:05,675
And to… govern North and South America
and probably England.
441
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:07,010
[Christine] Okay.
442
00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:08,011
[babies cooing]
443
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,263
[Sam] And to bring
the Queen of England to my home.
444
00:23:10,347 --> 00:23:12,474
[pensive music playing]
445
00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:15,227
[Sam] And I believe that
that's part of my mission.
446
00:23:16,978 --> 00:23:19,189
But she's not gonna come
to this chicken coop.
447
00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:21,274
She just ain't.
448
00:23:22,025 --> 00:23:23,026
[Christine] Wow.
449
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:26,029
Get the house, would you? Real quick.
450
00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,991
This is what I've drawn up here.
451
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,743
[Christine] "Coming soon!"
452
00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:36,039
[Sam] One of the most beautiful homes
I've ever seen, and I know it'll happen.
453
00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:39,167
-That's beautiful. Did you get that?
-[Tolga] I got it.
454
00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:41,169
[whispering] That was weird.
455
00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:46,508
He's building this fantasy world
456
00:23:46,591 --> 00:23:48,260
with all these followers.
457
00:23:48,343 --> 00:23:50,929
[Sam's wife] These are things
we're envisioning as time goes on.
458
00:23:51,012 --> 00:23:53,265
Things that we…
Some of 'em, we already have.
459
00:23:53,348 --> 00:23:54,433
[Christine] Oh!
460
00:23:55,517 --> 00:23:59,688
And then he also started
putting things on YouTube.
461
00:23:59,771 --> 00:24:01,440
Hi. Samuel Bateman here.
462
00:24:01,523 --> 00:24:03,358
Hi. Samuel Bateman here.
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00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:07,821
I want to make a channel where I can
help other people take a step up.
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00:24:07,904 --> 00:24:11,450
All the extremely rich people say is,
"Find a mentor."
465
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,286
He was following these self-help gurus,
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00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:16,872
and he would regurgitate what he learned.
467
00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:19,666
"Your word is your bond"
is really how you should think.
468
00:24:19,749 --> 00:24:22,919
When you make that commitment
or say something, make sure you do it.
469
00:24:23,503 --> 00:24:26,465
I've been talking
every day in our classes.
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00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:29,968
Don't think negative thoughts. Don't think
that something's gonna go wrong.
471
00:24:30,051 --> 00:24:32,637
It literally will draw it to you.
472
00:24:32,721 --> 00:24:33,847
Yeah, for sure.
473
00:24:34,931 --> 00:24:36,892
[Christine] Everything he said and did,
474
00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:41,396
I had to act like everything's okay.
We're cool with it.
475
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,397
[chuckles]
476
00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:45,066
[Sam] Surround yourself with great people.
477
00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,152
[Christine] That's why
I like to be around you guys.
478
00:24:47,235 --> 00:24:49,905
-[chuckling]
-Feelings are mutual.
479
00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:51,656
[pensive music continues]
480
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:53,742
I'm so grateful for what Christine does.
481
00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:55,952
She… She just loves people.
482
00:24:57,204 --> 00:25:00,415
She was going over there a lot.
483
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,501
[indistinct chatter]
484
00:25:03,376 --> 00:25:05,754
There were people who thought
485
00:25:06,254 --> 00:25:09,508
that Christine was there
supporting him and helping him.
486
00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:10,884
[Christine] Precious.
487
00:25:10,967 --> 00:25:13,053
Truly a daughter of the king.
488
00:25:14,471 --> 00:25:18,934
There were a lot of people
accusing her of empowering him.
489
00:25:19,017 --> 00:25:19,893
[laughing]
490
00:25:19,976 --> 00:25:21,520
[Christine] Are you serious?
491
00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:23,563
I couldn't defend myself.
492
00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:27,817
I couldn't come out with the fact
that I was playing a role
493
00:25:29,653 --> 00:25:33,114
because my plan, it was working.
494
00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:37,285
[Tolga] This is recording,
and this is recording.
495
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:42,207
They started being a little more loose
with the things they would say.
496
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,210
[Tolga] Okay, whoever has the mic.
497
00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:46,628
[Christine] Forgive me for asking,
498
00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:49,589
but how did you get a crash course
in the birds and the bees
499
00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:51,675
between the time you got married?
500
00:25:52,175 --> 00:25:54,886
He ended up telling me.
I was innocent as heck.
501
00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:56,888
[Christine] So Samuel himself taught you?
502
00:25:56,972 --> 00:25:58,515
How old are you?
503
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,267
Fifteen.
504
00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:01,768
[unsettling music playing]
505
00:26:01,851 --> 00:26:05,188
[Sam's wife] There's no such thing
as an underage marriage in the priesthood.
506
00:26:05,272 --> 00:26:06,356
The Lord can tell,
507
00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:11,861
and why would he hold the 15-year-old back
from the blessings, if she's ready?
508
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:16,199
[Christine] They were talking openly
about the sexual activity
509
00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:19,035
that Sam was doing
with the underage girls.
510
00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:20,996
[Sam's wife] He had made it seem
511
00:26:22,372 --> 00:26:24,833
so sacred and…
512
00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:25,792
[Christine] Mm-hmm.
513
00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:28,878
…like, celestial.
I don't know how else to put it.
514
00:26:28,962 --> 00:26:32,299
And he said it brings such an increase,
like, of the spirit of God.
515
00:26:33,967 --> 00:26:36,720
That resulted in another call
to the police.
516
00:26:36,803 --> 00:26:40,348
Christine is telling the local police,
"This is human trafficking."
517
00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:45,103
The local police said, "Just give us
everything you have. We'll look at it."
518
00:26:45,186 --> 00:26:46,938
[mouse clicking]
519
00:26:47,772 --> 00:26:50,150
They went through it for months.
Nothing happens.
520
00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:53,111
-We are flying very close to the sun.
-[Lola on phone] Yeah.
521
00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:55,030
We get no guidance at all.
522
00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:56,448
And I wish
523
00:26:56,948 --> 00:27:00,869
that I could discuss what our strategy is
524
00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:03,455
with somebody in law enforcement,
525
00:27:03,538 --> 00:27:06,541
and I mean, we're sitting around
shooting from the hip,
526
00:27:07,334 --> 00:27:09,085
and I… I feel so alone.
527
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:10,712
[Lola] God, those girls.
528
00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:13,923
[Tolga] I'd be filming something,
529
00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:18,887
and there's always two or three girls
in the back, completely destroyed.
530
00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:22,641
You could just see them crying.
531
00:27:23,516 --> 00:27:26,561
The law wants you
to basically get in bed with them
532
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:30,482
and film it before the guy's arrested.
533
00:27:30,565 --> 00:27:32,317
I mean, what kind of fucking shit is that?
534
00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,946
[Esther] It was like Sam felt like he had
535
00:27:37,781 --> 00:27:39,658
all authority to do whatever he wanted.
536
00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:42,619
I think he felt like
that he was unstoppable.
537
00:27:42,702 --> 00:27:45,664
I don't know, do you feel
forced to be here or anything?
538
00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:46,665
[Sam's wife] No.
539
00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:49,584
No? Are you lying?
540
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:50,543
No.
541
00:27:51,127 --> 00:27:53,672
How do you know
that I'm not just deceiving you?
542
00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,132
[Christine] Sam was very clever
543
00:27:56,216 --> 00:28:01,680
because he married
some of the mothers of the child brides.
544
00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:05,350
So when Child and Family Services
interviewed them,
545
00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,061
he could say, "The mothers are here too."
546
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:12,565
Did you know that the CPS has been here,
and they didn't find anything?
547
00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:14,651
Of course not.
548
00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:16,903
We're not doing wrong.
549
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:18,988
[unsettling music continues]
550
00:28:21,157 --> 00:28:24,327
[Mike] I've covered
virtually every significant
551
00:28:24,411 --> 00:28:27,163
and not-so-significant bad guy
in this story.
552
00:28:27,247 --> 00:28:30,083
I don't know a single individual
553
00:28:30,166 --> 00:28:34,170
that has set off more flares,
waved more red flags
554
00:28:34,254 --> 00:28:35,380
than Samuel Bateman.
555
00:28:37,298 --> 00:28:40,802
I became acquainted
with Christine and Tolga,
556
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:42,971
and I knew what they were doing,
557
00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:44,514
but they're not cops.
558
00:28:45,265 --> 00:28:48,268
If that's what law enforcement needs
to bust a case,
559
00:28:48,351 --> 00:28:50,729
getting a documentary crew inside,
560
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:53,773
and they still don't act
with any sense of urgency…
561
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:57,152
[crickets chirping]
562
00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:02,407
[line ringing]
563
00:29:06,286 --> 00:29:08,288
[on voicemail] This is
Sergeant David Wilkinson
564
00:29:08,371 --> 00:29:10,540
with the Colorado City Marshal's Office.
565
00:29:10,623 --> 00:29:13,835
Please leave me a detailed voice message.
Thank you.
566
00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:14,919
[voicemail chimes]
567
00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:19,299
There were so many things
that I didn't know.
568
00:29:19,382 --> 00:29:21,092
I didn't know how to proceed.
569
00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:23,762
And I was incredibly scared
570
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:27,098
of what was
really happening in Sam's house.
571
00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:30,643
What is going on when we're not there?
572
00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,980
What abuse could be stopped?
573
00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:36,733
[line ringing]
574
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:40,820
I called Sergeant Wilkinson
a number of times.
575
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:42,530
[Sgt. Wilkinson on phone]
Hello, Christine.
576
00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:45,867
Christine Marie kept feeding us
information that she gathered,
577
00:29:46,701 --> 00:29:49,370
and so I was working
desperately to follow up
578
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,456
on each of the pieces of information
579
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:53,666
to make sure that we established
580
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:57,378
and could support
everything we presented to a prosecutor.
581
00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:01,174
And as some would say,
tie it up in a pretty little bow.
582
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:05,011
[on phone] Again,
this is still a work in progress.
583
00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:07,680
[Christine] And I let him know
584
00:30:07,764 --> 00:30:09,766
I thought the FBI should be involved.
585
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:14,687
He said the FBI requires,
you know, multi-state criminal activity.
586
00:30:16,022 --> 00:30:18,817
And I said, "Well, we have it."
587
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,110
[Sam's wife chuckling]
We went to Colorado.
588
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:23,947
-[Tolga chuckling] You did?
-We went to Lincoln, Nebraska.
589
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:27,325
-[Tolga] Nebraska? Why Nebraska?
-It was just where Moroni was inspired.
590
00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:29,118
[Tolga] Oh, Moroni. Yeah. Got it.
591
00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:32,497
[Christine] There's Lincoln, Nebraska.
There's Monument, Colorado.
592
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,624
There's Utah and Arizona.
593
00:30:34,707 --> 00:30:37,502
It was interstate human trafficking.
594
00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:40,004
And eventually,
595
00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:43,508
my pestering did have a positive effect.
596
00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,677
[pensive music playing]
597
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,136
[Sgt. Wilkinson] Hello, Christine.
598
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,096
Hi.
599
00:30:48,179 --> 00:30:52,725
Sergeant Wilkinson called me and said,
"I have some news you're gonna like."
600
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:55,728
"We're going to have a meeting,
601
00:30:55,812 --> 00:30:58,106
and we would like you to do a presentation
602
00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:00,859
on what you know
about the Sam Bateman group."
603
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:06,072
[Sgt. Wilkinson] So are you okay
with 2:30 to the FBI field office?
604
00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:07,073
Yes.
605
00:31:07,156 --> 00:31:11,244
[Sgt. Wilkinson] You're gonna be meeting
with a Dawn Martin out of Flagstaff.
606
00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:19,377
[music fades]
607
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:24,132
[Christine] I want to video journal
where we're going right now.
608
00:31:25,258 --> 00:31:29,470
Tolga and I are on the way
to talk to the FBI.
609
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,434
It's complicated
because, like, two hours ago,
610
00:31:34,517 --> 00:31:37,061
many of these girls were at my house.
611
00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:38,938
[poignant music playing]
612
00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:42,692
If they know
that I am the one turning stuff in,
613
00:31:43,776 --> 00:31:46,696
then they will never trust
an outsider again.
614
00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:50,450
[Tolga] Well, this is what you do, baby.
You're trying to stop child rape.
615
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:53,369
-This is no joke.
-I have to speak up. There's not a choice.
616
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:56,122
[Tolga] That's what I'm saying.
So you don't have a choice.
617
00:32:06,883 --> 00:32:08,301
[pensive music playing]
618
00:32:08,384 --> 00:32:10,511
[Christine] When we went
to the FBI office,
619
00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:14,557
I spoke to FBI agent Dawn Martin.
620
00:32:16,309 --> 00:32:19,062
[Dawn] By the time
this case was presented to me,
621
00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:20,897
I had been with the Bureau 18 years.
622
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:24,525
I had spent the previous ten years
working child sex crimes.
623
00:32:25,526 --> 00:32:28,613
This case was brought to us
by local law enforcement.
624
00:32:28,696 --> 00:32:31,532
They told me about Christine and Tolga,
625
00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:34,953
who had lived in the community
for several years
626
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:37,455
and had provided these video recordings.
627
00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:42,919
My understanding is some
of the agencies had incriminating videos
628
00:32:43,002 --> 00:32:45,546
as early as November of '21.
629
00:32:46,547 --> 00:32:49,133
I don't know why
it took 'em so long to come to the FBI.
630
00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:55,390
Christine had spent
evidently many, many months
631
00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:58,726
trying to get somebody to listen
and to do something.
632
00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:02,605
The first recording
that I heard was related
633
00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:06,067
to a November incident in a Bentley.
634
00:33:06,734 --> 00:33:10,947
[Sam] There could not be anything worse
than another man screwing my girls.
635
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,033
When somebody brags
about having young girls
636
00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:16,244
involved in sex acts with other men,
637
00:33:16,744 --> 00:33:18,788
how can you not investigate that?
638
00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:20,832
[Tolga] Okay, it's rolling. Go ahead.
639
00:33:20,915 --> 00:33:22,834
[Dawn] There were 23 wives,
640
00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,086
nine of which were minor children.
641
00:33:25,628 --> 00:33:26,963
[intriguing music playing]
642
00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:29,215
I realized that it needed
to be taken care of
643
00:33:29,298 --> 00:33:32,510
and taken care of
in a more expeditious manner.
644
00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:35,388
I just remember
645
00:33:36,723 --> 00:33:41,477
feeling like finally
somebody is sharing this burden with me.
646
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,147
Hide that. Hop in.
647
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:49,569
[Dawn] We try not to divulge names
of sources or confidential informants,
648
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:54,782
but I will say that Christine was in
a unique position to provide information.
649
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,827
[Christine] Well, I'm going to spend
a lot more time over there.
650
00:33:57,910 --> 00:33:59,495
-That is my goal.
-[Tolga] Yeah.
651
00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:01,873
[Dawn] When you start an investigation,
652
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:04,083
you do a little bit of a background check,
653
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:07,837
and I didn't have any concerns
working so closely with them
654
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,051
because they were providing
video evidence as raw footage.
655
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:14,302
[computer chimes]
656
00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:16,763
It was definitely
an unusual set of circumstances.
657
00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:19,766
Not very often do you have somebody
658
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:23,436
willing to and wanting to be recorded
all of the time.
659
00:34:24,979 --> 00:34:29,150
Especially talking about some
of the heinous crimes he was committing.
660
00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:33,404
But it is very difficult
to prosecute a case
661
00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:35,239
without someone to testify
662
00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:37,867
that they were the victim of a crime.
663
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:40,244
We did not have that.
664
00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:44,290
[Christine] I always feel inspired
when I come here.
665
00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,125
-[Sam's wives chuckling]
-[baby cooing]
666
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:49,087
[Dawn] Christine was
putting her all into this.
667
00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:51,089
Him and them.
668
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:53,716
[Dawn] She was there every day.
669
00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:57,053
-[Sam] I'm a billionaire.
-[Tolga] You are? Already?
670
00:34:57,136 --> 00:34:58,429
Put a price on one girl.
671
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:01,933
I'm the richest man on Earth
672
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:04,977
because Heavenly Father
blessed me with these girls.
673
00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,897
[Christine] I started to drop hints
674
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:09,774
a little more directly.
675
00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:11,859
Can I make a comment right here?
676
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,445
Okay, so there's a book
called The Gift of Fear,
677
00:35:14,529 --> 00:35:16,781
and I actually
would recommend you all read it
678
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:19,534
because it's how
to stay safe from predators.
679
00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:22,578
I asked that because
of my own personal story
680
00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:24,205
because there were actual things
681
00:35:24,288 --> 00:35:27,500
to help you really spot
people who have bad intentions.
682
00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:31,629
If somebody ignores when you say no,
683
00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:35,174
um, that is a red flag.
684
00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:37,635
That's what I'm saying. Be bold and blunt.
685
00:35:37,718 --> 00:35:40,763
If you say no, you mean it.
686
00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:43,349
[Christine] It's very good
for you guys to be aware of this.
687
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,187
[Sam] Somehow we've got to step up out
of this immorality.
688
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:52,900
And if there's some way that I could be
used as an instrument to help step up.
689
00:35:52,984 --> 00:35:54,443
Lift your mind to a loftier spirit.
690
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,362
-There's something better out there…
-Yeah.
691
00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:58,865
…than just lusting after women.
692
00:36:00,283 --> 00:36:05,663
I was hoping that one of the women
would think for themselves.
693
00:36:05,746 --> 00:36:08,416
[pensive music playing]
694
00:36:14,255 --> 00:36:17,341
[whimpering, barking]
695
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:22,805
[Christine] And then I started to notice
Julia coming over to my house
696
00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:25,558
with her little toddler,
visiting the animals.
697
00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:26,976
[chicks cheeping]
698
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,104
I was happy about that because usually
699
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,565
people who followed Sam
didn't come over alone.
700
00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:34,775
Well, she came over more than once.
701
00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:43,034
I even saw her one time
raking leaves in my yard.
702
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:48,456
I realized she was coming up
with reasons to come over here.
703
00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:53,169
Bingo.
704
00:36:54,837 --> 00:36:56,339
That's when it hit me.
705
00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:01,177
Julia has something to tell me.
706
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:07,058
I mean, I had been dreaming of the moment
707
00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:09,018
that somebody would come to me.
708
00:37:11,687 --> 00:37:14,732
[Julia] I sensed that Christine
709
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:17,818
was making herself available.
710
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,071
[somber music playing]
711
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:23,115
I did wonder
if she was the one I could go to
712
00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:25,159
and ask for this help.
713
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:29,622
And then I caught myself, and I'm like,
"There's no way, you cannot say this."
714
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:31,499
I said,
715
00:37:31,582 --> 00:37:34,252
"I want you to know
that anything you tell me,
716
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,754
I am not gonna tell Sam."
717
00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:40,508
She starts to tell me some things.
718
00:37:41,509 --> 00:37:42,885
She was really general.
719
00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:44,387
She let me know
720
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,890
there was a lot of suffering going on.
721
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:52,019
But she didn't come out
and say anything negative about Sam.
722
00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:57,024
I thought, "I know exactly what to do."
723
00:37:57,525 --> 00:38:02,154
I decided it was time
that I tell her my story.
724
00:38:05,992 --> 00:38:07,952
[Julia] We went in on her kitchen table,
725
00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:11,497
and she got out a file box.
726
00:38:12,164 --> 00:38:13,457
[Christine] So look at this.
727
00:38:15,334 --> 00:38:17,586
[Julia] And she started
to tell me a story.
728
00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:23,634
She started to tell how her mind was led,
729
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:26,429
deceitfully, little by little,
730
00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:29,056
by a false prophet
731
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,558
to do things
732
00:38:30,641 --> 00:38:33,144
that she'd have never done ever.
733
00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:36,981
[Christine] I too had been deceived.
734
00:38:37,481 --> 00:38:40,943
I believed
that I was the wife of a prophet.
735
00:38:42,695 --> 00:38:45,156
My false prophet told me,
736
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,241
"Obedience is everything."
737
00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:51,620
"Obedience is the key to eternal life."
738
00:38:51,704 --> 00:38:53,205
[somber music continues]
739
00:38:59,045 --> 00:39:01,547
He told me I needed to go through tests.
740
00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:05,176
It started in small steps.
741
00:39:05,259 --> 00:39:10,139
I had to sell things
that were very precious to me.
742
00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:14,894
I complied.
743
00:39:15,561 --> 00:39:18,522
I had already sacrificed my business.
744
00:39:19,023 --> 00:39:20,066
And then
745
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,527
he told me I had to
746
00:39:24,236 --> 00:39:26,030
be separated from my children.
747
00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:29,241
Then I had to go
748
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,244
live among the poor and needy
749
00:39:32,328 --> 00:39:34,580
and be abased before men.
750
00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:44,090
I believed that there would be,
751
00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:47,510
eventually, a divine payoff.
752
00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:52,932
And that meant I had to do
what he said or risk my soul.
753
00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:57,978
I was basically sex trafficked.
754
00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:02,775
One of his directions was
755
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:07,238
that he wanted proof
that I was being sexually exploited.
756
00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:08,280
So…
757
00:40:10,324 --> 00:40:12,326
somebody, a man,
758
00:40:13,035 --> 00:40:14,495
took a picture of me.
759
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,540
Little by little,
760
00:40:17,623 --> 00:40:20,126
with each test and each rebuke,
761
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:22,503
I got more confused.
762
00:40:23,003 --> 00:40:24,922
I couldn't even recognize myself.
763
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:30,261
He said I had to go through tests first
764
00:40:30,344 --> 00:40:32,805
to be worthy of being a prophet's wife.
765
00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:35,891
This whole underlined part right here.
766
00:40:35,975 --> 00:40:38,144
[Christine] Does that remind you
of Samuel?
767
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:40,896
Yeah.
768
00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:42,773
A lot of it does.
769
00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,026
It's just disgusting.
770
00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:48,946
And I just broke down.
771
00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:52,241
And I started to just say…
772
00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:55,369
[unsettling music playing]
773
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,247
"…We are in deep trouble with sexual sins
774
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:00,332
under this…
775
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:04,670
false idea of religion."
776
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:09,884
And I knew that to get help,
777
00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:12,803
I needed to reveal to this woman
778
00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:15,556
the sickening things I've done
779
00:41:16,348 --> 00:41:17,516
and been a part of.
780
00:41:20,269 --> 00:41:22,688
[music fades]
781
00:41:22,771 --> 00:41:24,773
[enigmatic music playing]
782
00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:21,330
[music fades]
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