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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:02,070 --> 00:01:06,170 Subtitle synced and corrected by coolsuren. 2 00:01:06,171 --> 00:01:07,463 Welcome to Barcelona. 3 00:01:07,464 --> 00:01:11,926 Almost 100,000 people here in the Nou Camp this evening. 4 00:01:12,886 --> 00:01:15,846 It really is an extraordinary atmosphere. 5 00:01:21,019 --> 00:01:23,437 But you do wonder is fate now taking a hand 6 00:01:23,438 --> 00:01:25,481 in Manchester United's destiny. 7 00:01:25,482 --> 00:01:29,694 They have made their own luck with their boldness and their adventure, 8 00:01:29,695 --> 00:01:35,116 but they have had just enough luck to stand here on the brink of history. 9 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:37,868 It's the chance of a lifetime. 10 00:01:38,787 --> 00:01:40,788 A treble chance, 11 00:01:40,789 --> 00:01:45,418 the likes of which no English team has had before, or may ever get again. 12 00:01:59,766 --> 00:02:05,980 is not a year on which I shall look back with undiluted pleasure. 13 00:02:05,981 --> 00:02:08,065 One of Manchester's busiest shopping streets, 14 00:02:08,066 --> 00:02:10,067 suddenly a living hell. 15 00:02:10,068 --> 00:02:12,945 A bomb planted in bushes behind Kendals department store 16 00:02:12,946 --> 00:02:15,823 showered office workers with flying glass. 17 00:02:19,619 --> 00:02:22,121 Smash the poll tax and smash the Tories 18 00:02:22,122 --> 00:02:26,167 and in the end put an end to this Tory government itself. 19 00:02:36,928 --> 00:02:40,389 I've only got one thing to say, it's nice to be back. 20 00:03:18,011 --> 00:03:19,136 ll' is clear tonight 21 00:03:19,137 --> 00:03:22,390 that it is no longer a matter of whether, but when there is a royal divorce. 22 00:03:35,821 --> 00:03:38,614 England's shattered players arrived back at the hotel. 23 00:03:38,615 --> 00:03:43,494 A few hours later we once again saw the dark face of English football. 24 00:03:43,495 --> 00:03:47,832 It has turned out to be an annus horribilis. 25 00:03:49,459 --> 00:03:51,085 A club of this size, 26 00:03:51,086 --> 00:03:58,175 one would expect at the platform, the stage, everything is geared to doing very, very well. 27 00:03:59,219 --> 00:04:02,531 And that very, very well means winning the league. 28 00:04:02,532 --> 00:04:03,907 I was a Man United supporter, 29 00:04:03,908 --> 00:04:07,161 and it's extra special when you get the coaching job there. 30 00:04:07,162 --> 00:04:11,790 When Sir Alex took over, everybody realised that he wanted a vibrant youth system. 31 00:04:11,791 --> 00:04:15,794 And he said to me straight out, as typically Sir Alex does, 32 00:04:15,795 --> 00:04:19,590 he says, "I'm not entirely satisfied with the youth system," you know. 33 00:04:19,591 --> 00:04:22,968 He'd only been there probably a few weeks, or a month. 34 00:04:22,969 --> 00:04:25,262 I said, "Well, you know, we've had Norman Whiteside through, 35 00:04:25,263 --> 00:04:26,722 "and Mark Hughes through." 36 00:04:26,723 --> 00:04:30,976 And he looked at me with those steely eyes and he said, "That's not enough." 37 00:04:30,977 --> 00:04:35,105 I said, "Do you know how many local scouts Manchester City have got, 38 00:04:35,106 --> 00:04:36,940 "and how many Manchester United have got?" 39 00:04:36,941 --> 00:04:42,877 When I told him, he was staggered, he was absolutely staggered. 40 00:04:42,878 --> 00:04:44,421 And I'm not exaggerating, 41 00:04:44,422 --> 00:04:48,925 within a month he trebled the scouting system at Manchester United, 42 00:04:48,926 --> 00:05:29,215 and that's when we started getting the players. 43 00:05:29,216 --> 00:05:33,386 Nicky Butt, what an absolute warrior. What a great player Nicky Butt was. 44 00:05:33,387 --> 00:05:36,222 Another Bryan Robson. Without question. 45 00:05:36,223 --> 00:05:38,641 I think he nicknamed himself One Nut Butt. 46 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:41,478 He used to just head-butt people and knock 'em out, he said. 47 00:05:41,479 --> 00:05:44,314 I think the lads were always a bit nervous about giving Butty a nickname, 48 00:05:44,315 --> 00:05:47,442 'cause you didn't how he was going to react, he might just give you a dig. 49 00:05:47,443 --> 00:05:48,651 You just don't mess with him. 50 00:05:49,904 --> 00:05:52,489 Scholesy was like the joker that got away with it all the time. 51 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:54,324 We kind of nicknamed him The Ghost. 52 00:05:54,325 --> 00:05:56,659 You know, he'd just disappear at some point. 53 00:05:56,660 --> 00:05:59,287 I know what Scholesy was like, he was a little rascal. 54 00:05:59,288 --> 00:06:04,000 And if somebody's underpants were missing, I knew who it'd be. Paul Scholes. 55 00:06:04,001 --> 00:06:07,003 You've got a kid who's smaller than most. 56 00:06:07,004 --> 00:06:10,173 He's got asthma. He's not the quickest, 57 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:14,344 but the best player I've ever played with. Work that out. 58 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:22,852 When I first saw Giggsy, I just saw this really skinny kid. 59 00:06:22,853 --> 00:06:24,437 There's no flashness to him. 60 00:06:24,438 --> 00:06:28,566 He's probably the most down-to-earth superstar I've ever met. 61 00:06:28,567 --> 00:06:31,069 One minute he can be the most serious man in the world, 62 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:35,782 where he can be eye-balling somebody and really deep-eye staring at somebody, 63 00:06:35,783 --> 00:06:38,535 and then next minute he can be dancing on the table doing Elvis, so... 64 00:06:39,787 --> 00:06:43,081 The thing that struck me early on about Becks was his appearance. 65 00:06:43,082 --> 00:06:45,625 You thought, "He's too pretty to be a football player." 66 00:06:45,626 --> 00:06:47,043 That was his nickname, "Pretty Boy". 67 00:06:47,044 --> 00:06:49,379 You just think he's a flash cockney. 68 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:51,756 I used to call him "Treacle". 69 00:06:51,757 --> 00:06:54,884 "All right, Treacle." You know, and just... That was his nickname. 70 00:06:54,885 --> 00:07:00,306 We still all know him, I still see him in his red Escort Mexico. 71 00:07:00,307 --> 00:07:01,891 That's how I look at him. 72 00:07:03,435 --> 00:07:06,020 "Busy Brothers", "Busy One and Two", 73 00:07:06,021 --> 00:07:07,730 "Nervous Nevilles". 74 00:07:07,731 --> 00:07:11,151 "Nervous Nevilles", yeah. He was a bit jittery on the ball at times. 75 00:07:11,152 --> 00:07:13,736 Gary and Phil could be. Not always, though. 76 00:07:14,822 --> 00:07:16,698 I think Freddie Flintoff on interviews has said 77 00:07:16,699 --> 00:07:19,409 that the best day of his cricket career was when Phil Neville retired, 78 00:07:19,410 --> 00:07:22,495 because he then became the best all-rounder in Lancashire. 79 00:07:22,496 --> 00:07:25,456 He's just bubbly, he's always happy. 80 00:07:25,457 --> 00:07:27,625 Another difference from him and Gaz. 81 00:07:30,754 --> 00:07:32,130 Gary was the geek, wasn't he? 82 00:07:32,131 --> 00:07:36,426 He was always sorting things out and everyone just started calling him Busy and... 83 00:07:36,427 --> 00:07:39,345 Actually, Busy we always used to call him. 84 00:07:40,931 --> 00:07:43,641 Everybody, the lads used to walk past me going... 85 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:52,275 I grew up in Bury. Lived in a terraced house opposite a park. 86 00:07:52,276 --> 00:07:54,360 All I remember about being a kid 87 00:07:54,361 --> 00:07:57,614 is playing football, playing cricket at the cricket club. 88 00:07:57,615 --> 00:08:00,783 And massively about my dad taking me to United as a kid. 89 00:08:00,784 --> 00:08:05,205 I always remember the first time I went and I was absolutely mesmerised. 90 00:08:05,206 --> 00:08:07,332 You always thought next year will be our year. 91 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:09,959 "We'll win the league. We'll win the league." We never did. 92 00:08:10,586 --> 00:08:12,962 All I ever wanted to be was a football player. 93 00:08:12,963 --> 00:08:15,423 And the only club I ever wanted to play at was United. 94 00:08:15,424 --> 00:08:19,135 And Gary was one of them lads that when you know him, you love him to death, 95 00:08:19,136 --> 00:08:21,471 he's a great lad, everyone likes him. 96 00:08:21,472 --> 00:08:25,058 And when you don't know him he has this persona of not being a nice person. 97 00:08:25,059 --> 00:08:26,809 I couldn't stand his guts when I was younger. 98 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:29,896 And all I wanted to do was kick him whenever I played against his local team. 99 00:08:29,897 --> 00:08:34,734 Gary Neville was nowhere near as talented technically as the other boys. 100 00:08:34,735 --> 00:08:35,860 And he won't mind me saying that. 101 00:08:35,861 --> 00:08:38,571 I always felt as though I had to work 102 00:08:39,198 --> 00:08:41,282 extra all the time. 103 00:08:41,283 --> 00:08:43,826 And just live and eat better than anybody else. 104 00:08:43,827 --> 00:08:46,454 I've given up on it a little bit now. 105 00:08:47,331 --> 00:08:50,541 I made a conscious decision at 16, when I left school, 106 00:08:50,542 --> 00:08:54,587 that I couldn't continue to see the friends that I had been friends at school with, 107 00:08:54,588 --> 00:08:58,841 because I knew full well I would get drawn into doing things 108 00:08:58,842 --> 00:09:01,803 that 16 to 18-year-old lads did, and I couldn't do it. 109 00:09:01,804 --> 00:09:03,846 I couldn't do it. I couldn't have any regrets. 110 00:09:03,847 --> 00:09:05,932 And he wanted to make himself a player. 111 00:09:05,933 --> 00:09:08,059 I didn't make him a player, he made himself a player. 112 00:09:10,354 --> 00:09:14,607 Eric Harrison was a massive influence on me. He was just what I needed. 113 00:09:14,608 --> 00:09:17,805 Took absolutely no. 114 00:09:17,806 --> 00:09:20,891 I remember my wife watching me one day, because we were going to... 115 00:09:20,892 --> 00:09:24,019 She wanted to go to the Trafford Centre after a training session. 116 00:09:24,020 --> 00:09:27,523 I got in the car, and she was sat in the car, she said, "You're a disgrace." 117 00:09:27,524 --> 00:09:28,899 I said, "What do you mean?" 118 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:31,902 She said, "You wouldn't do that to your children, would you?" 119 00:09:31,903 --> 00:09:36,865 Eric has grounded them people, and he's put into 'em morals and "treat people right". 120 00:09:36,866 --> 00:09:38,784 I think that if you're looking at Becks, 121 00:09:38,785 --> 00:09:41,453 probably one of the biggest sports stars in the world, 122 00:09:41,454 --> 00:09:44,665 you know, and he's still grounded. You know, we can thank Eric for that. 123 00:09:44,666 --> 00:09:48,126 You've got to make those demands to be successful out there. 124 00:09:48,127 --> 00:09:52,089 Those who could cope with those demands played, those who didn't... 125 00:09:52,090 --> 00:09:53,215 And that's football. 126 00:09:53,216 --> 00:09:56,093 The one I was most disappointed in was Raphael Burke. 127 00:09:56,094 --> 00:09:59,179 Supremely talented player. I wish he had have had that right attitude 128 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:00,597 because he would have been a first-team player. 129 00:10:01,391 --> 00:10:04,935 For me, I thought I was talented, but I didn't dedicate like these guys. 130 00:10:04,936 --> 00:10:08,230 When people say, "What was Becks like?" Or, "What was Giggs like?" 131 00:10:08,231 --> 00:10:10,482 I say, "Well, the first thing is they sacrificed." 132 00:10:10,483 --> 00:10:13,902 If you're gonna even have a tiny chance of being like them, 133 00:10:13,903 --> 00:10:17,698 if you don't practise or you don't sacrifice, you haven't got a chance. 134 00:10:17,699 --> 00:10:21,201 I made Gary my youth-team captain of the Class of '92. 135 00:10:21,202 --> 00:10:23,453 And he was a fantastic captain. 136 00:10:23,454 --> 00:10:24,788 Gary was the leader, 137 00:10:24,789 --> 00:10:30,377 because if you saw Gary doing something different on the pitch, after training, 138 00:10:30,378 --> 00:10:35,007 it had me thinking, "Well, if he's doing it, I need to be doing something." 139 00:10:35,008 --> 00:10:36,633 You know, he was the captain of the team. 140 00:10:36,634 --> 00:10:39,970 So he always took on the mantle of looking after everyone. 141 00:10:39,971 --> 00:10:43,307 I thought he was the glue that held them lads together. 142 00:10:43,308 --> 00:10:46,935 Like our, I don't know, Uncle Gary, he is. He does everything for us. 143 00:10:48,146 --> 00:10:49,563 It's just the way it is. 144 00:10:49,564 --> 00:10:53,984 We phone each other up now and again, and I just go like that... 145 00:10:53,985 --> 00:10:55,611 "Have you finished yet?" 146 00:10:55,612 --> 00:10:59,990 Oh, dear me, he talks for England, he does, you know. And Phil's not bad as well. 147 00:11:00,491 --> 00:11:03,285 Gaz and Phil would be, like, throwing balls up at each other. 148 00:11:03,286 --> 00:11:06,246 They'd be like, you know, jogging on the spot. 149 00:11:06,247 --> 00:11:09,416 "Lads, relax, there's an hour to go till kick-off yet. Relax." 150 00:11:09,417 --> 00:11:12,419 If you laid back, then you just sat there, just looking at them, 151 00:11:12,420 --> 00:11:14,504 and just, "What you doing?" "What are you doing?" 152 00:11:14,505 --> 00:11:15,714 And they were probably doing the same. 153 00:11:15,715 --> 00:11:17,841 You can probably just imagine them speaking to each other. 154 00:11:17,842 --> 00:11:20,344 "Phil, have you seen these? It's cup final. Look at them. 155 00:11:20,345 --> 00:11:22,679 "They're not even prepared right. We're prepared. 156 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:24,681 "Are you prepared? Yeah, I'm prepared. 157 00:11:24,682 --> 00:11:27,100 "Yeah. Right. Well, we're prepared. Never mind these." 158 00:11:27,101 --> 00:11:31,271 You know, you can just imagine it, that's what they were like from an early age. 159 00:11:31,272 --> 00:11:34,775 They were just all about the focus, and it worked. 160 00:11:39,989 --> 00:11:42,908 I'd had two really bad experiences in the Youth Cup. 161 00:11:42,909 --> 00:11:45,369 I played as a schoolboy, we got beat in the semi-final. 162 00:11:45,370 --> 00:11:49,206 Played as a first-year apprentice, and got knocked out in the semi-final. 163 00:11:49,207 --> 00:11:51,249 So I was desperate to win it, absolutely desperate, 164 00:11:51,250 --> 00:11:53,293 even though I'd played a few games in the first team. 165 00:11:55,213 --> 00:11:59,549 The football was so good, I think. It was just so enjoyable to play in that. 166 00:11:59,550 --> 00:12:02,052 We'd be winning four, five, six-nil most weeks. 167 00:12:02,637 --> 00:12:05,138 And here's Ben Thornley. Could go it all alone! 168 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:07,224 He's scored! 169 00:12:09,143 --> 00:12:12,229 Switzer trying to get in behind and there are people in the middle... 170 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:14,064 And it could come to... It's Giggs! 171 00:12:14,565 --> 00:12:17,776 One of the things that I remember is Butty's overhead kick, you know. 172 00:12:20,863 --> 00:12:24,366 Didn't go in, but he got so excited about it. 173 00:12:24,367 --> 00:12:27,661 There was only going to be one result for this team, it was just... 174 00:12:27,662 --> 00:12:28,912 You just knew. 175 00:12:36,421 --> 00:12:38,255 And that was a really tough game. 176 00:12:38,256 --> 00:12:41,258 But I mean, that was the biggest relief I've ever had in my life, 177 00:12:41,259 --> 00:12:43,593 to come off that field winners of the Youth Cup, you know, 178 00:12:43,594 --> 00:12:45,721 and see them lifting the Youth Cup. 179 00:12:45,722 --> 00:12:47,180 It was sensational. 180 00:12:47,181 --> 00:12:50,517 How many of these faces will we ever see 181 00:12:50,518 --> 00:12:52,352 in a Manchester United first team? 182 00:12:53,104 --> 00:12:54,354 They hadn't won it for such a long time. 183 00:12:54,355 --> 00:13:01,035 I think it was the Busby Babes who won it last time, I think. 184 00:13:01,036 --> 00:13:02,953 Went in the changing rooms and the manager was there, 185 00:13:02,954 --> 00:13:05,622 the players were there, the first-team players were there. 186 00:13:05,623 --> 00:13:07,041 All the staff was there. Directors were there. 187 00:13:09,627 --> 00:13:11,003 It was massive. It was huge. 188 00:13:11,004 --> 00:13:14,840 And I put that medal alongside every other medal that I've made. 189 00:13:14,841 --> 00:13:16,800 I wouldn't put it any higher, I wouldn't put it any lower, 190 00:13:16,801 --> 00:13:19,386 it's on a par with every single medal that I've ever won, 191 00:13:19,387 --> 00:13:22,473 because at the time, at 16, 17, 18, it's the biggest medal you can win. 192 00:13:23,099 --> 00:13:26,643 We had a great team spirit. Great bunch of lads. Great coaches. 193 00:13:26,644 --> 00:13:27,978 We hadn't won it for a long time, 194 00:13:27,979 --> 00:13:31,023 and we lifted the cup at Old Trafford, we couldn't ask for much more really. 195 00:13:31,024 --> 00:13:34,568 It was an achievement, but it's never enough to just win one trophy. 196 00:13:35,528 --> 00:13:39,198 "Okay, next year we're going to do it again." 197 00:13:45,288 --> 00:13:47,456 Best time of my career was my apprenticeship. 198 00:13:47,457 --> 00:13:49,208 You go to work every day together with your mates, 199 00:13:49,209 --> 00:13:51,126 you've got no cares in the world, it's just fun. 200 00:13:51,127 --> 00:13:52,252 You knew you was good, 201 00:13:52,253 --> 00:13:54,338 you knew you was better than most teams you played against. 202 00:13:54,339 --> 00:13:57,257 But they were the best times in my career, I can still say that now. 203 00:14:10,897 --> 00:14:14,358 What happened at The Cliff when we was kids was the old apprentices, 204 00:14:14,359 --> 00:14:17,694 or the first-year pro, would always, you know... 205 00:14:19,239 --> 00:14:23,534 get hold of the first-year apprentices, which was us, do all sorts. 206 00:14:23,535 --> 00:14:25,327 Most of the things are unspeakable. 207 00:14:25,328 --> 00:14:28,789 It was the end of that era where it was just the done thing. 208 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:32,126 Where part of your initiation, part of your growing-up process, 209 00:14:32,127 --> 00:14:36,046 your toughening-up process, was to put you in situations that you didn't like. 210 00:14:36,047 --> 00:14:40,175 They put me in a kit bag and padlocked it up once and put me on a bus. 211 00:14:40,176 --> 00:14:42,511 And then did the same with Scholesy the week later. 212 00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:46,390 Nicky wasn't small, but I was tiny, so I'd fit in quite easily. 213 00:14:46,391 --> 00:14:48,934 And you'd end up smacking the bag like this, 214 00:14:48,935 --> 00:14:52,396 and you'd be in the middle of Old Trafford in the laundry getting plucked out. 215 00:14:52,397 --> 00:14:54,731 So it were unlocked and sent back. 216 00:14:54,732 --> 00:14:58,819 At dinner times, you just knew when you've had your dinner, that's it, 217 00:14:58,820 --> 00:15:01,321 the second-years were gonna absolutely try and abuse you. 218 00:15:01,322 --> 00:15:03,282 And we just all used to go and hide somewhere. 219 00:15:03,283 --> 00:15:04,908 I think we used to hide in the big gym. 220 00:15:04,909 --> 00:15:11,081 When it comes to initiations, a lot of people, it would be over in 20 seconds, 15 seconds. 221 00:15:12,083 --> 00:15:15,794 They would just do something stupid, you'd get a round of, "That was brilliant", 222 00:15:15,795 --> 00:15:19,965 you get a round of applause, right, you don't have to do anything again. 223 00:15:19,966 --> 00:15:22,718 There would be the odd player who wouldn't do it, 224 00:15:22,719 --> 00:15:25,721 or didn't want to do it, or would do it rubbish, 225 00:15:25,722 --> 00:15:28,140 and then you would be on 'em. 226 00:15:28,766 --> 00:15:31,935 There's one time they put Scholesy in the dryer and... 227 00:15:31,936 --> 00:15:33,520 I don't know whether they turned it on, 228 00:15:33,521 --> 00:15:36,899 but they shut the door and they might've just turned it on and off like that, quick. 229 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:38,775 I think he had a panic attack. 230 00:15:38,776 --> 00:15:40,777 But it was a big old industrial dryer, as well. 231 00:15:40,778 --> 00:15:42,237 I think that's what brought his asthma on. 232 00:15:44,199 --> 00:15:47,284 The nightclub scene was the best. You had to chat someone up. 233 00:15:47,285 --> 00:15:48,827 I had to do that with you once. 234 00:15:48,828 --> 00:15:50,120 - Chat them up? - Yeah. 235 00:15:50,121 --> 00:15:54,791 It wasn't my greatest skill when I was a young kid, chatting girls up. 236 00:15:56,044 --> 00:15:59,838 I had to perform sexual actions to Clayton Blackmore's calendar. 237 00:15:59,839 --> 00:16:01,423 No! 238 00:16:01,424 --> 00:16:03,717 - On the bed? - Yeah, on the bed. 239 00:16:03,718 --> 00:16:05,761 Yeah, that was my worst one. 240 00:16:05,762 --> 00:16:07,888 Boot polish, as well, on the... 241 00:16:07,889 --> 00:16:10,349 I had a boot-polish number put on the back of my... 242 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:12,059 - The bongs on your back? - What about the spoon in your mouth? 243 00:16:12,060 --> 00:16:13,268 What, did they draw the kit on you? 244 00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:14,978 I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure who did it, but... 245 00:16:14,979 --> 00:16:16,146 Giggsy used to draw the kit on him. 246 00:16:16,147 --> 00:16:17,314 - Do you not think... - it was you! 247 00:16:17,315 --> 00:16:19,733 - It was part of his initiation. - Don't even know why you're here. 248 00:16:19,734 --> 00:16:22,319 Right, and look how you turned out. 249 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,488 - No, I didn't enjoy it. - You're welcome. 250 00:16:25,657 --> 00:16:28,659 - You was horrible, Giggsy. - I hated him. 251 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:30,535 It made you solid, it made you hard, it made you tough. 252 00:16:30,536 --> 00:16:34,790 It made you not be soared of looking a fool in front of your friends. 253 00:16:34,791 --> 00:16:39,253 Not be scared of, you know, saying things out loud in front of older players. 254 00:16:39,254 --> 00:16:42,881 So, although it probably, nowadays, could be classed as bullying, 255 00:16:42,882 --> 00:16:46,551 it was a massive part of becoming a player at the club. 256 00:16:46,552 --> 00:16:49,888 Because if you're a 20-year-old lad and something's wrong on the pitch, 257 00:16:49,889 --> 00:16:52,516 if you've not got the bollocks and go and say it to the older players, 258 00:16:52,517 --> 00:16:54,518 then you've got no chance of making it at Man United. 259 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:58,146 Even though I hated it, and it used to make me ill, 260 00:16:58,147 --> 00:17:02,526 I still think there's part of that old-school values and that toughening-up process 261 00:17:02,527 --> 00:17:05,195 that the kids nowadays miss out on. 262 00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:09,491 I'm happy that us lot came through at that time, 263 00:17:09,492 --> 00:17:13,036 because when we came into being reserve-team players, 264 00:17:13,037 --> 00:17:15,038 we were the players that stopped it. 265 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:20,711 We were the players that kind of knew it wasn't right to do these kinds of things. 266 00:17:21,546 --> 00:17:36,845 And it stopped. 267 00:17:36,846 --> 00:17:40,932 Got to remember that in the, sort of, '60s, '70s and '80s, 268 00:17:40,933 --> 00:17:45,061 that Liverpool had an incredible time, you know, in music, football, 269 00:17:45,062 --> 00:17:46,396 and I suppose in some ways, 270 00:17:46,397 --> 00:17:48,356 this last 20 years has been Manchester's time. 271 00:17:48,357 --> 00:17:52,360 The Stone Roses, Oasis. United winning the league. 272 00:17:52,361 --> 00:17:55,238 But the two cities have got a lot of similarities. 273 00:17:55,239 --> 00:17:58,825 The spirit and fight, the honesty, the integrity of the people. 274 00:17:58,826 --> 00:18:01,203 There's tribalness to it. Why shouldn't there be? 275 00:18:22,767 --> 00:18:24,226 When was your first goal here? 276 00:18:24,227 --> 00:18:25,519 Galatasaray. 277 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,937 - Was it? - Oh, yeah. 278 00:18:26,938 --> 00:18:29,105 - Was it that scuff into the corner? - Yeah. 279 00:18:29,106 --> 00:18:30,565 Proper scuff. 280 00:18:30,566 --> 00:18:32,692 - When was yours, Scholesy? - Trying to think. 281 00:18:35,947 --> 00:18:39,214 Do you remember you used to play at all? Have you just completely forgotten already? 282 00:18:39,215 --> 00:18:43,594 I remember, '99 season, January, Liverpool. 283 00:18:43,595 --> 00:18:45,095 - The FA Cup? - In the FA Cup. 284 00:18:45,889 --> 00:18:47,598 - One-nil down, weren't we, with what... - Yeah... 285 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:49,725 - Five minutes to go. - Michael scored for them, didn't he? 286 00:18:49,726 --> 00:18:51,894 - Michael Owen? - Yeah. 287 00:18:51,895 --> 00:18:53,437 That's was my fault, as well. 288 00:18:55,231 --> 00:18:57,733 They just got a cross in, I just couldn't get my head there in time. 289 00:18:57,734 --> 00:18:59,234 - You remember? - You left your runner. 290 00:18:59,235 --> 00:19:01,570 I think you blamed me, as well. Again. 291 00:19:01,571 --> 00:19:03,405 I always remember the goals I give away, me. 292 00:19:04,866 --> 00:19:06,867 There's that many of them, though, aren't there? 293 00:19:07,577 --> 00:19:09,912 I thought that was the best atmosphere of the season. 294 00:19:09,913 --> 00:19:11,372 - To be fair. - Yeah. 295 00:19:11,373 --> 00:19:15,376 Yeah. That last couple of minutes here. That's where it all started, I think. 296 00:19:23,176 --> 00:19:25,260 I think the beginning of the season, '98/'99, 297 00:19:25,261 --> 00:19:27,513 I don't think it was any different to any other season. 298 00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:29,807 We knew we had a good team, a good squad. 299 00:19:29,808 --> 00:19:31,225 We expected to go and do well. 300 00:19:31,226 --> 00:19:33,769 Our form was inconsistent in the early parts of the season. 301 00:19:33,770 --> 00:19:35,396 We were conceding goals. 302 00:19:35,397 --> 00:19:37,564 We were exciting, the attacking football was brilliant, 303 00:19:37,565 --> 00:19:39,483 but we were still conceding goals in the league. 304 00:19:40,777 --> 00:19:43,862 But at the turn at Christmas, the FA Cup against Liverpool... 305 00:19:44,989 --> 00:19:46,448 What a game that was. 306 00:19:47,784 --> 00:19:50,327 And then it just seemed to snowball from there. 307 00:19:52,706 --> 00:19:53,872 You know, the season hasn't been 308 00:19:53,873 --> 00:19:55,666 all Manchester United had hoped for. 309 00:19:55,667 --> 00:19:57,167 Not so far. 310 00:19:57,168 --> 00:20:00,629 But an FA Cup tie against what is a young Liverpool team, 311 00:20:00,630 --> 00:20:02,381 at this stage, could change that. 312 00:20:02,382 --> 00:20:04,091 One-nil down. 313 00:20:04,092 --> 00:20:10,815 Four minutes, five minutes to go. 314 00:20:10,816 --> 00:20:13,151 Beckham may just take this on. 315 00:20:14,153 --> 00:20:17,029 Lifted towards the head of Cole... And Yorke! 316 00:20:17,030 --> 00:20:20,199 When you're one-nil down and you score that equaliser, 317 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,326 you know it's coming. 318 00:20:22,327 --> 00:20:25,455 Into Cole again... May break for Scholes. 319 00:20:25,456 --> 00:20:27,979 Solskjaer! 320 00:20:27,980 --> 00:20:30,982 You know, for us to come back and score two late goals, 321 00:20:30,983 --> 00:20:33,818 sort of set the tone of the season, and it was, for me, 322 00:20:33,819 --> 00:20:35,945 it was the turning point that... 323 00:20:35,946 --> 00:20:38,698 Teams knew that, no matter what the score was, 324 00:20:38,699 --> 00:20:40,575 we would still come back at them. 325 00:20:40,576 --> 00:20:46,036 It's at the back of their mind that, "They always come back, these." 326 00:20:46,037 --> 00:20:48,663 The story of Manchester United was great. 327 00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:57,381 Us great players... Now we could feel... 328 00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:00,467 like the ghosts. 329 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:11,395 I remember walking the corridors up to the manager's office at Old Trafford. 330 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:14,314 And the smell of Sir Matt Busby's pipe. 331 00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:16,983 You just knew there was a big... 332 00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:20,028 Just a big presence about him still there and... 333 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:23,657 You just walked past and, you know, you might see him now and again. 334 00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,700 The door would always be open. 335 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:28,412 I look back now and think, you know, we should have gone in more 336 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:30,163 and talked to him more, but you were scared. 337 00:21:30,164 --> 00:21:31,998 This was like a god. 338 00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:37,212 And there were two, like, big important books in our family. 339 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:39,005 One was a massive Bible. 340 00:21:39,006 --> 00:21:40,882 And the other book was the photo album, 341 00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:43,510 you know, like black-and-white photos of us as little kids. 342 00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:49,391 And with a, you know, big extended family around the area and all that kind of stuff. 343 00:21:49,392 --> 00:21:53,645 Biggest picture in that book, at the back, was the Busby Babes. 344 00:21:54,897 --> 00:21:56,565 On the fringe of a Munich Airport 345 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:58,275 lies the wreckage of an airliner 346 00:21:58,276 --> 00:22:02,195 still smouldering from a crash, in which 21 people were killed. 347 00:22:03,239 --> 00:22:06,032 I heard it at school. 348 00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:09,661 I heard that news at school, and I was crying my eyes out at school. 349 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:12,122 You know, and I mean the teacher took me to another room, 350 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,416 I was that emotional about it, you know. 351 00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:16,960 And I thought, they can't be dead. 352 00:22:16,961 --> 00:22:20,797 The teacher said to me, "Sorry, Eric, I'm sorry, they are." 353 00:22:23,176 --> 00:22:25,886 I think probably 17, 18, we'd won the Youth Cup, 354 00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:28,680 the Busby Babe comparison started to come out. 355 00:22:29,515 --> 00:22:31,433 You've got big footsteps to follow here. 356 00:22:31,434 --> 00:22:36,313 You've got lads who were young men, just wanting to play football, 357 00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:38,273 wanting to dream like we're dreaming. 358 00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:42,319 Their legacy is enormous. 359 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,198 Everything you see there at that club today was built out of that tragedy 360 00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:48,909 and Sir Matt Busby's determination to grow another team. 361 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:53,953 To rebound. To go again. 362 00:22:53,954 --> 00:22:56,372 Obviously what he created at Manchester United 363 00:22:56,373 --> 00:23:00,877 led to what the boss had created at Manchester United and what, 364 00:23:00,878 --> 00:23:03,755 you know, we were part of. 365 00:23:03,756 --> 00:23:22,784 And you feel that. 366 00:23:22,785 --> 00:23:24,953 I was born in Cardiff. My dad played rugby, 367 00:23:24,954 --> 00:23:26,913 so he signed professionally for Swinton, 368 00:23:26,914 --> 00:23:29,916 so I moved to Manchester when I was seven. 369 00:23:29,917 --> 00:23:32,836 Everyone on my street was United fans, 370 00:23:32,837 --> 00:23:35,630 and I used to go watch them, Stretford End, United Road. 371 00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:39,134 Go with my mates, catch the match bus, the 26. 372 00:23:39,135 --> 00:23:41,178 Try and climb over the fence and get in for nothing. 373 00:23:41,179 --> 00:23:45,307 You know, all that sort of stuff, as a United fan, I used to do. 374 00:23:45,308 --> 00:23:47,976 First time I seen him play, I was like, "Oh, my God, 375 00:23:47,977 --> 00:23:49,811 "What have I just seen?" 376 00:23:49,812 --> 00:23:52,731 If that's the standard that we have to get to, I'm done. 377 00:23:52,732 --> 00:23:54,733 I'm finished. What's the point? 378 00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:57,778 You know what I mean? Go back to Bury. 379 00:23:57,779 --> 00:24:00,072 Kick your little ball against a wall. 380 00:24:00,073 --> 00:24:03,283 Just get off this pitch away from him, because honestly he was unbelievable. 381 00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:06,369 Ryan Wilson again. 382 00:24:06,370 --> 00:24:08,914 He is Salford's star man. 383 00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:12,292 That's a terrific pass for Winwood. Oh, that's a marvellous goal. 384 00:24:12,293 --> 00:24:13,835 We were nowhere near him, do you know what I mean? 385 00:24:13,836 --> 00:24:55,301 We weren't even in the same bracket as him. 386 00:24:55,302 --> 00:24:58,847 Yes, when I arrived, Giggs was playing. Yeah. 387 00:25:00,224 --> 00:25:04,978 Yeah, and now I retired, what, 15 years ago and he still plays. 388 00:25:07,148 --> 00:25:08,940 It's crazy. 389 00:25:08,941 --> 00:25:12,694 I'll never forget the manager, sort of, naming the team 390 00:25:12,695 --> 00:25:15,238 in the old dressing rooms at Old Trafford. 391 00:25:15,239 --> 00:25:18,533 And I'm just sat there and I'm not not listening to him, 392 00:25:18,534 --> 00:25:22,579 but sort of half not interested, because I didn't think I was playing. 393 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:24,622 So left wing is last. 394 00:25:24,623 --> 00:25:26,374 And he... And I'll never forget it. 395 00:25:26,375 --> 00:25:29,127 It was like, "And Ryan, you'll play on the left today." 396 00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:35,175 I was like, "Did you say my name there?" And like... 397 00:25:35,176 --> 00:25:38,052 started... I don't like flying. 398 00:25:38,053 --> 00:25:39,470 So when we're taking off, 399 00:25:39,471 --> 00:25:41,723 I've got, like, sweaty palms like you wouldn't believe. 400 00:25:41,724 --> 00:25:44,434 And it was like... It was exactly the same feeling. 401 00:25:44,435 --> 00:25:47,896 Number 14 is 17-year-old Ryan Giggs. 402 00:25:48,772 --> 00:25:51,608 We looked at him and thought, "That's our motivation." 403 00:25:51,609 --> 00:25:54,611 "You know, if the manager's giving him a chance, 404 00:25:54,612 --> 00:25:56,863 "then surely he's going to give us a chance at some point." 405 00:25:57,573 --> 00:25:59,282 And this is Giggs! 406 00:25:59,283 --> 00:26:01,618 Oh, he's just getting better and better! 407 00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:06,956 The manager used to always say, if I'd ever I had a shave, 408 00:26:06,957 --> 00:26:09,959 then the next day in training he'd just look at me, 409 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,630 "You was out last night, weren't you?" And I'd go, "No." 410 00:26:13,631 --> 00:26:16,257 He'd go, "Yes, you was. You always have a shave. 411 00:26:16,258 --> 00:26:17,550 "When you've gone out, you always have a shave, 412 00:26:17,551 --> 00:26:19,427 "you're always clean-shaven." 413 00:26:19,428 --> 00:26:22,597 So from then on, I just learned, if I went out, I just wouldn't shave. 414 00:26:26,644 --> 00:26:28,269 I think growing up in Manchester, in the '90s, 415 00:26:28,270 --> 00:26:31,105 obviously it was brilliant, it was massive. 416 00:26:31,106 --> 00:26:35,026 It was the time of The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspiral Carpets, 417 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:36,694 all the house music, 418 00:26:36,695 --> 00:26:38,655 and it was the place to be. 419 00:26:38,656 --> 00:26:41,366 - I mean, it was a ridiculous place. - The Hacienda. The Boardwalk. 420 00:26:41,367 --> 00:26:43,368 We were going to concerts, Spike Island, 421 00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:45,078 and it was a real special time really. 422 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,289 I remember once the whole Man United team went to the Hacienda. 423 00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:51,376 Wouldn't happen nowadays with the press everywhere, but... 424 00:26:51,377 --> 00:26:55,505 You'd have what's called a player's pass, a Man United player's pass. 425 00:26:55,506 --> 00:26:57,632 So every, like... 426 00:26:57,633 --> 00:26:59,342 professional had one. 427 00:26:59,343 --> 00:27:01,427 And certain clubs, you'd get in free with it. 428 00:27:02,263 --> 00:27:06,766 So you'd go out with your player's pass, show it the bouncer, you know, "Let me in." 429 00:27:06,767 --> 00:27:09,519 That was a good thing that I liked about my upbringing in Manchester, 430 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,690 was everyone looked after each other. If you was a good-enough guy, 431 00:27:13,691 --> 00:27:15,858 you didn't show off too much and you weren't big-headed, 432 00:27:15,859 --> 00:27:16,985 the bouncer looked after you. 433 00:27:16,986 --> 00:27:20,822 It just seemed like the magic dust literally had been sprayed all over the city. 434 00:27:20,823 --> 00:27:23,491 So it was good to see the football and the music thing. 435 00:27:23,492 --> 00:27:26,953 You know, what else is there? What else is there? 436 00:27:27,871 --> 00:27:29,539 Manchester reinvented itself. 437 00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:35,378 It didn't wait for a leader to do that for it. In fact, it took the disinterest 438 00:27:35,379 --> 00:27:40,883 that was clearly shown to it by Margaret Thatcher's premiership, 439 00:27:40,884 --> 00:27:45,054 and it took that as actually a signal to do it itself. 440 00:27:45,055 --> 00:27:48,683 We can't even get out, we're walking on cockroaches, beetles. 441 00:27:48,684 --> 00:27:51,227 In flats in this block? 442 00:27:51,228 --> 00:27:52,895 In these flats over here. 443 00:27:52,896 --> 00:27:57,066 We've got people coming up using the place as brothels and everything all over the place. 444 00:27:57,067 --> 00:27:58,401 It's disgusting. 445 00:27:58,944 --> 00:28:02,196 We all grew up as Thatcher's children and... 446 00:28:02,197 --> 00:28:06,075 You know, hand on my heart, that bitch gave me my start in music, man, 447 00:28:06,076 --> 00:28:08,369 because she put me on the dole straight out of school. 448 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:10,913 And where else would I have got the chance to learn an instrument? 449 00:28:10,914 --> 00:28:14,584 There are some great northern cities that actually aren't beholden to anyone, 450 00:28:14,585 --> 00:28:18,004 you know, and no matter how bad it gets, they will regenerate themselves. 451 00:28:18,005 --> 00:28:22,675 Now, the football teams, of course, especially United, is a symbol of that. 452 00:28:23,761 --> 00:28:29,015 Sharpey loved to go out, loved to party and have a good time. 453 00:28:29,016 --> 00:28:32,935 For me, he was the one who I had, probably, the most in common with because of the age. 454 00:28:32,936 --> 00:28:37,273 I've seen Giggsy and Lee Sharpe and a few of the guys out and about in town 455 00:28:37,274 --> 00:28:40,610 and in the clubs at the time and what have you. 456 00:28:40,611 --> 00:28:44,072 I suppose we should have took it on ourselves to tell them to naff off home 457 00:28:44,073 --> 00:28:48,034 and get an early night, before there's a Liverpool game coming up or summat. 458 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,913 But it's not our place to do that, is it? 459 00:28:51,914 --> 00:28:54,791 Fergie had his little network of guys out there doing just that, 460 00:28:54,792 --> 00:28:56,709 didn't he, I suppose, so... 461 00:28:57,419 --> 00:29:02,924 The gaffer had been tipped off that me and Sharpey were going out. 462 00:29:03,425 --> 00:29:27,544 So he's just totally surprised us, and we're at Sharpey's house... 463 00:29:27,545 --> 00:29:30,672 He threw my mate out. He threw the girls out. 464 00:29:30,673 --> 00:29:33,967 He's going, "Where's that... Where's Sharpey?" 465 00:29:33,968 --> 00:29:36,636 So one of my other mates has ran upstairs, 466 00:29:36,637 --> 00:29:39,180 said, "Sharpey!" Sharpey's in the mirror, just... 467 00:29:39,181 --> 00:29:40,598 He's getting dressed. 468 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,017 He's in his bedroom just, you know, putting his jacket on. 469 00:29:44,103 --> 00:29:45,895 "Your gaffer's here, your gaffer's here." 470 00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:48,982 Sharpey's gone, "Yeah, all right, yeah. Of course he is, yeah." 471 00:29:48,983 --> 00:29:51,860 Carried on sort of like getting ready. 472 00:29:51,861 --> 00:29:54,612 And in the mirror, he seen the gaffer walking up the stairs. 473 00:29:55,698 --> 00:29:58,324 At this time, the apprentices can hear his voice, 474 00:29:58,325 --> 00:30:00,160 because there was a few of the apprentices out. 475 00:30:00,161 --> 00:30:03,663 They've hid in the wardrobe, they've hid under the bed, 476 00:30:03,664 --> 00:30:05,373 one of them jumped out the window. 477 00:30:06,584 --> 00:30:09,377 And he didn't know about them. They didn't get caught. 478 00:30:09,378 --> 00:30:12,213 So anyway, he's caught me and Sharpey red-handed. 479 00:30:12,214 --> 00:30:15,476 And he's just sat us down and he's absolutely battered us. 480 00:30:15,477 --> 00:30:18,020 "Sharpey, you're going back in digs, you're not having your own house. 481 00:30:18,021 --> 00:30:19,438 "You've had too many chances." 482 00:30:19,439 --> 00:30:23,609 And he said to me, he's gone, "Do you want to end up like him?" 483 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:27,738 From that day on, really, I was a little bit more focused, 484 00:30:27,739 --> 00:30:35,988 and obviously I'd seen the gaffer snap before, but not like that. 485 00:30:35,989 --> 00:30:39,033 The last thing that either club needed was a replay, 486 00:30:39,034 --> 00:30:40,826 but here we are. 487 00:30:40,827 --> 00:30:45,247 United already committed to two games a week between now and the end of May, 488 00:30:45,248 --> 00:30:47,875 or they are if they're to keep thinking about a treble. 489 00:30:48,543 --> 00:30:51,462 And let's not forget the double's still on for Arsenal. 490 00:30:51,463 --> 00:30:53,672 Something's got to give here. 491 00:30:58,804 --> 00:31:00,930 We'd played, I think, about three or four days before. 492 00:31:00,931 --> 00:31:03,849 We had Juventus coming up, we were doing well in the league. 493 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:07,645 So the manager decided to change things. I'd played in the first game. 494 00:31:07,646 --> 00:31:09,897 We'd had a goal disallowed, and we felt that we should have won it. 495 00:31:10,524 --> 00:31:14,026 And I just wanted to play in that game. And I was subbed. 496 00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:20,241 At that point in our careers, Arsenal was the rivals. 497 00:31:20,242 --> 00:31:23,577 It was such a great Arsenal team, it was the best team 498 00:31:23,578 --> 00:31:25,704 that, probably, we played against domestically. 499 00:31:25,705 --> 00:31:29,750 Power, pace, aggression, experience, skill. 500 00:31:29,751 --> 00:31:32,336 They had everything. And... 501 00:31:33,755 --> 00:31:35,589 They were such a tough team to play against. 502 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:38,884 I mean, Martin Keown from England, and they were all... 503 00:31:38,885 --> 00:31:41,053 And David Seaman, they were all great lads, I really like them. 504 00:31:41,054 --> 00:31:43,055 But on the pitch, there was just a real hatred. 505 00:31:43,056 --> 00:31:45,641 And it had been such a tiring game. 506 00:31:45,642 --> 00:31:50,020 You know, going 1-nil up, then 1-1, and then... 507 00:31:50,021 --> 00:31:53,357 Keaney got sent off, so we're playing, obviously, a man down. 508 00:31:53,358 --> 00:31:54,984 There were so many emotions as well. 509 00:31:56,611 --> 00:31:58,320 I probably should have came off. 510 00:31:58,321 --> 00:32:01,157 I was physically and mentally exhausted. 511 00:32:01,158 --> 00:32:05,327 It was such an emotionally charged evening that I just hit a brick wall. 512 00:32:05,328 --> 00:32:08,247 The ball came across to Ray Parlour and he was taking me on. 513 00:32:08,248 --> 00:32:11,458 And I remember feeling shattered. 514 00:32:11,459 --> 00:32:15,838 I actually remember him running at me, to this day, thinking, "I'm dead here." 515 00:32:16,381 --> 00:32:19,967 So I just collapsed on the floor, thinking I've got to make a tackle. 516 00:32:19,968 --> 00:32:23,304 And it was a tired... I made the wrong decision. 517 00:32:24,556 --> 00:32:30,895 And when I give the penalty away, I remember thinking, "Life's over. 518 00:32:30,896 --> 00:32:32,104 I'm dead- 519 00:32:32,105 --> 00:32:34,023 "I'd rather die than this penalty go in." 520 00:32:34,024 --> 00:32:38,110 And it was one of those moments when I honestly thought, 521 00:32:38,111 --> 00:32:39,945 if Dennis Bergkamp would have scored, 522 00:32:39,946 --> 00:32:42,781 my Man United career would have probably been finished. 523 00:32:55,754 --> 00:32:58,631 Me and Phil go to celebrate with Peter Schmeichel, 524 00:32:58,632 --> 00:33:01,967 he literally shoves us the other side of the box. 525 00:33:01,968 --> 00:33:05,054 He literally clothes-lined me away. And I was back on it. 526 00:33:05,055 --> 00:33:06,639 The game was getting a bit stretched. 527 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,642 So I think the manager thought it would be perfect for me to come on now, 528 00:33:09,643 --> 00:33:14,772 fresh legs, and the managerjust says, "I think the right back's tiring. 529 00:33:16,316 --> 00:33:20,444 "Whenever you get a chance, run at him. Make something happen." 530 00:33:20,445 --> 00:33:23,197 You're 10 men, you're thinking it's going to penalties. 531 00:33:23,198 --> 00:33:24,657 You're hanging on. 532 00:33:25,325 --> 00:33:28,410 Arsenal have sort of wave after wave of attack. 533 00:33:28,411 --> 00:33:30,246 And then Giggsy picks the ball up. 534 00:33:30,247 --> 00:33:32,957 Patrick Vieira plays the ball square. 535 00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:35,292 And I just remember Giggsy setting off. 536 00:33:35,293 --> 00:33:39,338 When I sprint, you can tell I'm sprinting. Everything is moving. 537 00:33:39,339 --> 00:33:42,466 With Giggsy it's almost slow motion, 538 00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:47,012 he glides on the top of the surface, his feet don't touch the ground. 539 00:33:47,013 --> 00:33:50,099 He picked the ball up. And I was at left back behind him, 540 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,978 and I was shouting, "Giggsy, Giggsy, I'm on my way." 541 00:33:53,979 --> 00:33:55,854 Thinking I was going to overlap him. 542 00:33:58,733 --> 00:34:02,319 And Giggsy just went further and further and further away from me. 543 00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:06,615 He starts running at players, and I've seen Giggsy do this 544 00:34:06,616 --> 00:34:10,286 since I was 15 years old. 545 00:34:10,287 --> 00:34:13,330 I stood still and it was like slow motion. 546 00:34:13,331 --> 00:34:16,125 In and out, gliding in and out. He was like a gazelle. 547 00:34:16,126 --> 00:34:18,711 He had this grace about him. 548 00:34:18,712 --> 00:34:22,756 And he was making body movements without even touching the ball. 549 00:34:22,757 --> 00:34:26,051 And Lee Dixon went for one, Martin Keown went for one. 550 00:34:27,178 --> 00:34:30,597 I just saw him going through, going through, keeping on going. 551 00:34:30,598 --> 00:34:32,683 I'm thinking Scholes is coming in back post. 552 00:34:32,684 --> 00:34:34,351 Look at Scholesy, look at Scholesy. 553 00:34:34,894 --> 00:34:37,730 And all he had to do was square it to me 554 00:34:37,731 --> 00:34:39,940 and I'd make a big run 555 00:34:39,941 --> 00:34:42,276 and I tell you, I think I was still 20 yards behind him, 556 00:34:42,277 --> 00:34:43,944 and I was sprinting as fast as I could. 557 00:34:43,945 --> 00:34:47,990 That was Ryan Giggs, whether he was playing on Lower Broughton Road, 558 00:34:47,991 --> 00:34:51,452 Littleton Road, The Cliff training ground, Carrington... 559 00:34:51,453 --> 00:34:54,413 That was what Ryan Giggs was all about. 560 00:34:54,414 --> 00:34:56,332 This was Giggsy's moment. 561 00:35:05,759 --> 00:35:07,426 What a goal! 562 00:35:08,386 --> 00:35:12,264 You have seen a magician wave a wand! 563 00:35:14,225 --> 00:35:16,643 And conjure up a trick 564 00:35:16,644 --> 00:35:22,775 which the FA Cup and all its glorious past can revel in. 565 00:35:22,776 --> 00:35:25,611 You just lose yourself and don't know what you're doing. 566 00:35:25,612 --> 00:35:27,404 And everything... 567 00:35:28,656 --> 00:35:30,824 Sanity just goes out of your head. 568 00:35:30,825 --> 00:35:34,453 And I just decided to take my shirt off and just... 569 00:35:35,246 --> 00:35:36,455 start swinging it. 570 00:35:37,874 --> 00:35:40,459 The team were coming over. Fans were coming over. 571 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:42,336 They were on top of me and it's just... 572 00:35:42,337 --> 00:35:43,962 unbelievable. 573 00:35:44,756 --> 00:35:48,592 How many times are you going to see a goal like that in your lifetime? 574 00:35:48,593 --> 00:35:51,136 Especially scored by one of your lads as well. 575 00:35:51,137 --> 00:35:52,805 It is the best goal I've ever seen. 576 00:35:52,806 --> 00:35:56,141 Just for everything, how important it was, 577 00:35:56,142 --> 00:35:57,851 and the way he did it, who he went past. 578 00:35:57,852 --> 00:36:01,522 As a defender, you look at those lads differently, 579 00:36:01,523 --> 00:36:04,650 and they're the heroes for you, they produce the biggest moments, 580 00:36:04,651 --> 00:36:07,361 at the best times, when you need them. 581 00:36:07,362 --> 00:36:09,780 And throughout that season they all delivered. 582 00:36:09,781 --> 00:36:10,864 Every single one of them. 583 00:36:10,865 --> 00:36:14,079 But Giggsy's moment is the stand-out moment. 584 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,330 I mean, I think if they'd have won, 585 00:36:15,331 --> 00:36:17,666 they might have gone on and won the double, but... 586 00:36:17,667 --> 00:36:18,959 Have you ever seen the footage when, 587 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,211 you know, when he scores the goal and goes like this... 588 00:36:21,212 --> 00:36:23,672 - Watch the footage of Scholesy... - I got into the goal. 589 00:36:23,673 --> 00:36:27,550 He goes in the goal and goes like this... He's probably thinking, what am I doing? 590 00:36:27,551 --> 00:36:28,802 - I've never seen it. - Have you seen it? 591 00:36:28,803 --> 00:36:30,845 Because I was running waiting for you to square it. 592 00:36:30,846 --> 00:36:33,223 And you ran away celebrating, and you take your top off, 593 00:36:33,224 --> 00:36:34,557 and I go like that... 594 00:36:38,187 --> 00:36:40,397 That'd had have got me out jail, Scholesy, that one. 595 00:36:40,398 --> 00:37:48,661 - Right next to me. - Yeah, it would have done, yeah. 596 00:37:48,662 --> 00:37:50,789 I used to play two or three years above myself. 597 00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:54,542 I wasn't-just in my own age group playing at centre back or fullback or in midfield, 598 00:37:54,543 --> 00:37:57,378 so I was playing with men when I was only a boy. 599 00:37:57,379 --> 00:38:00,423 So I realised early on that to get forward in the game, 600 00:38:00,424 --> 00:38:02,842 I needed many strings to my bow. 601 00:38:03,886 --> 00:38:07,097 The England manager used to say to me, you need to nail down one position. 602 00:38:07,098 --> 00:38:08,306 You need to nail down one position, 603 00:38:08,307 --> 00:38:11,267 if you do that, you'll have a bigger, better, longer career. 604 00:38:11,268 --> 00:38:13,061 And I used to come away thinking, 605 00:38:13,062 --> 00:38:16,314 that is the biggest load of rubbish that I've ever heard in my life. 606 00:38:16,315 --> 00:38:18,399 I'm 19, I'm 20, 607 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,694 I'm a regular in Man United's first-team squad. 608 00:38:21,695 --> 00:38:23,571 And I think it was probably one of the times 609 00:38:23,572 --> 00:38:25,907 when I probably did have to be strong with myself, 610 00:38:25,908 --> 00:38:28,552 that what I was doing and what I believed in was right. 611 00:38:28,553 --> 00:38:31,430 Phil was always popular, because he was... 612 00:38:31,431 --> 00:38:33,474 He was comfortable around anyone's company. 613 00:38:33,475 --> 00:38:36,894 He was one of them people who were good in the dressing room, 614 00:38:36,895 --> 00:38:40,856 and good to have around, because he would just make people feel at ease. 615 00:38:44,319 --> 00:38:48,864 As a fullback, you need to develop a trick, and mine was a step-over. 616 00:38:51,242 --> 00:38:53,202 And I worked on it every day. 617 00:38:53,203 --> 00:38:56,080 And I did it in a game once at Old Trafford. 618 00:38:56,081 --> 00:39:00,668 I did a step-over, got to the by-line, crossed it, and... we nearly scored. 619 00:39:00,669 --> 00:39:05,172 And as I was running back, Butty, Becks, Keano, 620 00:39:05,715 --> 00:39:08,592 they were laughing their heads off. Just laughing their heads off, 621 00:39:08,593 --> 00:39:12,388 and I could not understand for the life of me why they were laughing. 622 00:39:12,389 --> 00:39:16,266 I'd just done the best step-over that this club has ever seen, 623 00:39:16,267 --> 00:39:19,937 and they're absolutely wetting themselves laughing. 624 00:39:19,938 --> 00:39:24,358 So the next time I get the ball, I threw in a double step-over, 625 00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:26,902 and the crowd, you know, they were cheering, 626 00:39:26,903 --> 00:39:28,529 and I think they thought I was taking the mickey. 627 00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:30,614 But this is something that I was serious about 628 00:39:30,615 --> 00:39:33,075 and I've worked on for six months. 629 00:39:33,076 --> 00:39:35,577 And I'd just produced it at Old Trafford against Southampton. 630 00:39:35,578 --> 00:39:38,080 So I turned round after the double step-over, 631 00:39:38,081 --> 00:39:42,126 and Roy Keane looked at me and just said, "Stop f'ing about." 632 00:39:42,127 --> 00:39:44,294 I wasn't too happy when... 633 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:47,756 I'm playing in a game, and I'm thinking, 634 00:39:47,757 --> 00:39:51,719 "They're singing my song, you know, for the first few seconds, and then..." 635 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,804 # Phil, Phil Will tear you a... # 636 00:39:53,805 --> 00:39:54,972 Whoa! Whoa! 637 00:39:54,973 --> 00:39:56,765 "That's not right. Phil? 638 00:39:56,766 --> 00:39:58,308 "No, it's my song." 639 00:39:58,309 --> 00:40:03,313 it must have not been that good, because everyone used to slaughter me about it. 640 00:40:06,317 --> 00:40:08,569 For Ferguson, it was important. 641 00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:11,947 The academy, young players was very important. 642 00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:16,285 Then we could see that it was a great generation, 643 00:40:16,286 --> 00:40:19,246 and we could hear the coaches and everybody. 644 00:40:20,415 --> 00:40:21,707 It was a great generation. 645 00:40:21,708 --> 00:40:24,001 And then you have to have the... 646 00:40:24,961 --> 00:40:28,414 It's simple, then to have the manager who gives them the chance to play. 647 00:40:28,415 --> 00:40:31,292 I remember I was on holiday, I think I was in Cyprus, 648 00:40:31,293 --> 00:40:33,502 and I pick up the paper and you see all these players are going, 649 00:40:33,503 --> 00:40:35,838 and you're thinking, "Wow, what's going on here?" 650 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:39,342 They must be going to go and buy some proper big players to replace them. 651 00:40:39,343 --> 00:40:42,678 Obviously the manager was looking at where we could improve, 652 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,474 but I don't think anyone could foresee what he was going to do. 653 00:40:46,475 --> 00:40:49,310 You know Mark Hughes, Andrei Kanchelskis and Paul Ince. 654 00:40:49,311 --> 00:40:52,188 You know, three massive players for United. 655 00:40:52,189 --> 00:40:55,024 To be fair to the gaffer, he stood by us, didn't he? 656 00:40:55,025 --> 00:40:58,402 He could have bought any player he wanted. 657 00:40:58,403 --> 00:41:01,197 He was under pressure around that time, the gaffer, wasn't he? 658 00:41:01,782 --> 00:41:03,741 The three players that went... 659 00:41:03,742 --> 00:41:04,992 - Massive. - Massive. 660 00:41:04,993 --> 00:41:06,744 - Fan player. You know. - The fans loved them. 661 00:41:06,745 --> 00:41:09,997 - Fans loved them. - Scholes, I suppose, came in for Sparky. 662 00:41:09,998 --> 00:41:12,124 You came in for Incey, you for Andrei. 663 00:41:12,125 --> 00:41:13,876 Me for Paul Parker. Because we were, like, 664 00:41:13,877 --> 00:41:18,693 we were all replacing brilliant players, weren't we, do you know what I mean? 665 00:41:18,694 --> 00:41:20,486 It's a great risk. 666 00:41:23,866 --> 00:41:25,575 But... 667 00:41:25,576 --> 00:41:27,160 he knew it. 668 00:41:27,161 --> 00:41:28,620 And he was right. 669 00:41:28,621 --> 00:41:30,705 And for me, of course, it was great to play 670 00:41:30,706 --> 00:41:33,541 with a generation of players, win things with them. 671 00:41:34,293 --> 00:41:37,086 Be a bit in the middle of that, you know? 672 00:41:37,087 --> 00:41:40,673 And help the new players, and young players. 673 00:41:41,467 --> 00:41:43,593 And then we'd go back to training and he'd still not bought any, 674 00:41:43,594 --> 00:41:45,178 he's still not bought any. And before you know it, 675 00:41:45,179 --> 00:41:48,389 we were playing Aston Villa the first clay of the year, and we was all in the team. 676 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:52,060 After the first half an hour or something, we were 3-nil down. 677 00:41:52,061 --> 00:41:53,394 It was a disaster, really... 678 00:41:53,395 --> 00:41:54,562 And Taylor's made it three! 679 00:41:54,563 --> 00:41:55,772 at Aston Villa. 680 00:41:55,773 --> 00:41:57,523 It's going from bad to worse. 681 00:41:57,524 --> 00:41:58,775 After the game we were thinking, 682 00:41:58,776 --> 00:42:01,027 "We've let the manager down, he's put his faith in us, 683 00:42:01,028 --> 00:42:02,612 "we're only young, the fans are going to hate us, 684 00:42:02,613 --> 00:42:05,323 "everyone's going to hate us because we're wrecking the club." 685 00:42:05,324 --> 00:42:08,409 I think they've got problems. I wouldn't say they've got major problems. 686 00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:13,331 Obviously, three players have departed. The trick is always buy when you're strong. 687 00:42:13,332 --> 00:42:16,376 So he needs to buy players. You can't win anything with kids. 688 00:42:16,377 --> 00:42:18,378 You look at that line-up Manchester United had today, 689 00:42:18,379 --> 00:42:20,880 and Aston Villa, at quarter past two when they get the team sheet, 690 00:42:20,881 --> 00:42:21,965 it's just going to give them a lift, 691 00:42:21,966 --> 00:42:24,926 and it'll happen every time he plays the kids. He's got to buy players. 692 00:42:24,927 --> 00:42:27,553 In truth, that night, watching Match Of The Day, 693 00:42:27,554 --> 00:42:32,016 I felt exactly the same as what Alan Hansen said, we wasn't good enough. 694 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,104 We wanted to believe in it. And we tried everything to win it. 695 00:42:37,356 --> 00:42:39,065 But to be realistic... 696 00:42:40,818 --> 00:42:43,528 With five new players 697 00:42:45,906 --> 00:42:47,740 coming from the academy, 698 00:42:49,368 --> 00:42:50,743 19 years old, 699 00:42:51,286 --> 00:42:54,914 it's not very realistic to think that you can win things. 700 00:42:55,749 --> 00:43:00,920 I wasn't probably at that stage of my career where I felt comfortable to sort of, 701 00:43:01,755 --> 00:43:04,257 you know, "Don't worry about it, it'll be all right." 702 00:43:04,258 --> 00:43:05,425 You know, I wasn't at that... 703 00:43:05,426 --> 00:43:08,261 'Cause I didn't know whether it was going to be all right or not, you know? 704 00:43:08,262 --> 00:43:12,056 They have got star names to come in. They've got Cole and Giggs. 705 00:43:12,057 --> 00:43:13,433 - Cantona, in due course. - Cantona. 706 00:43:13,434 --> 00:43:14,684 - And Steve Bruce. - Bruce. 707 00:43:14,685 --> 00:43:17,020 Still not enough. The trick of winning the championship 708 00:43:17,021 --> 00:43:19,188 is having strength in depth. They just haven't got it. 709 00:43:20,441 --> 00:43:24,986 But we tried so hard and they were so exceptional, 710 00:43:25,738 --> 00:43:29,657 and Ferguson helped them to learn things so quickly... 711 00:43:31,035 --> 00:43:32,660 that we won it. 712 00:43:35,456 --> 00:43:36,998 And we won the double. 713 00:43:37,583 --> 00:43:38,916 Premier League and the Cup. 714 00:43:38,917 --> 00:43:40,501 Eric, when he come back from his suspension, 715 00:43:40,502 --> 00:43:46,382 he was phenomenal really and really did carry the team quite a lot of the time. 716 00:43:46,383 --> 00:43:48,426 You don't win anything with kids, he's right. 717 00:43:48,427 --> 00:43:49,510 You don't win anything with kids. 718 00:43:49,511 --> 00:43:54,307 We won because we were part of a team that had Roy Keane in it, 719 00:43:54,850 --> 00:43:56,642 and we had Bruce, Palliate, 720 00:43:56,643 --> 00:43:59,687 we had all these top experienced players 721 00:44:00,564 --> 00:44:02,815 who got the young lads through it, really. 722 00:44:31,303 --> 00:44:34,722 We didn't realise how special it was, to be honest, I think, at the time. 723 00:44:34,723 --> 00:44:38,309 Because, you know, we're all in the team. 724 00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:42,563 There was not one piece of jealousy between any of us 725 00:44:42,564 --> 00:44:46,767 and all we were worried about was staying in the team and doing well. 726 00:44:46,768 --> 00:44:48,811 I didn't play in the '96 final. 727 00:44:48,812 --> 00:44:50,145 In the final, we played Arsenal. 728 00:44:50,146 --> 00:44:51,689 He came round to my room in the morning, 729 00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:53,816 I could hear him coughing outside, you know, that... 730 00:44:53,817 --> 00:44:55,526 Came in and said he wasn't playing, you know, 731 00:44:55,527 --> 00:44:58,320 but you hear his cough outside the door down the corridor. 732 00:44:58,321 --> 00:45:01,240 If you knew you were getting dropped, I just didn't answer the door. 733 00:45:01,241 --> 00:45:04,410 If he can't find you, he can't drop you. Can he? 734 00:45:04,411 --> 00:45:05,577 - Go missing. - Yeah. 735 00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:07,371 You did used to wait for that knock though, didn't you? 736 00:45:07,372 --> 00:45:08,998 - Yeah, used to wait for the knock. - About 11-ish. 737 00:45:09,916 --> 00:45:11,917 I remember once him coming up to me, 738 00:45:12,961 --> 00:45:16,714 I think it was Thursday, before a game on a Saturday. 739 00:45:16,715 --> 00:45:19,091 And he said, "I'm not playing you on Saturday, son." 740 00:45:19,092 --> 00:45:24,263 He said, "I've got a game for you, two weeks on Saturday, 741 00:45:24,264 --> 00:45:26,724 "it's just the game for you." I was like, 742 00:45:28,727 --> 00:45:32,396 "So I'm not playing for four games?" "You make sure you prepare for that one. 743 00:45:32,397 --> 00:45:34,148 "I need you in that game." 744 00:45:35,191 --> 00:45:38,402 And I was like, "Right, he needs me in that game." 745 00:45:38,403 --> 00:45:41,405 I'm thinking, "Have I been dropped for four games, 746 00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:43,574 "or have I been told that I'm brilliant and I'm needed for that?" 747 00:45:43,575 --> 00:45:45,305 I couldn't work it out. 748 00:45:45,306 --> 00:45:48,141 What's the best excuse he gave you for leaving you out? 749 00:45:48,142 --> 00:45:49,642 - Too hot. - Too hot? 750 00:45:49,643 --> 00:45:51,394 - "Really, Scholesy, it's too hot." - "Too hot for you." 751 00:45:51,395 --> 00:45:53,146 "Sharpey always does well at Villa Park. 752 00:45:53,147 --> 00:45:55,231 "He always does well, so I'm not going to play you." 753 00:45:55,232 --> 00:45:57,984 He said he was leaving me out of Chelsea once because 754 00:45:57,985 --> 00:46:03,323 they had some Combat 18 fanatics in the crowd, 755 00:46:03,324 --> 00:46:06,076 and he thought I was a bit too young for it. 756 00:46:06,077 --> 00:46:07,202 Best one he gave me was, 757 00:46:07,203 --> 00:46:10,121 "it's a nice ground, and you come into your own on a heavy pitch, 758 00:46:10,122 --> 00:46:12,832 "so in November you'll be my player." 759 00:46:12,833 --> 00:46:16,795 So I only played one month a year, me, one month a season. 760 00:46:18,047 --> 00:46:23,051 Thing about Nicky is, regardless of his age, he always had that... 761 00:46:24,178 --> 00:46:30,183 schoolboy, 9, 10, 11-year-old look on his face, of up to no good. 762 00:46:30,184 --> 00:46:33,269 Sir Alex used to say, "Butt, you're up to no good." 763 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:34,395 All the time. 764 00:46:35,731 --> 00:46:36,981 Silly little childish things. 765 00:46:36,982 --> 00:46:40,360 I did one once with a teapot and Peter Schmeichel. 766 00:46:40,361 --> 00:46:43,196 You know, big 6'8" man, giant. 767 00:46:43,197 --> 00:46:46,366 You'd come in the dressing room and there was a tray of sandwiches 768 00:46:46,367 --> 00:46:51,412 and, you know, the big hot silver pots with tea in or coffee. 769 00:46:52,164 --> 00:46:56,334 Obviously we were just sat in the dressing room, a freezing cold day. 770 00:46:56,877 --> 00:47:00,713 Peter Schmeichel, obviously, he walks up to get a sandwich and a cup of tea, 771 00:47:00,714 --> 00:47:02,924 absolutely bollocks. 772 00:47:03,467 --> 00:47:09,139 I put a steaming-hot kettle on the bed, and I put it behind his arse, like that, 773 00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:11,057 so I was sort of like that, looking at the lads, laughing, 774 00:47:11,058 --> 00:47:13,977 thinking he's just going to touch it there. 775 00:47:13,978 --> 00:47:17,063 And I've looked round like that, he's turned round, full pirouette 776 00:47:17,064 --> 00:47:19,357 and caught his manhood right on the pot. 777 00:47:19,358 --> 00:47:21,901 And you heard a little... like that as well. 778 00:47:21,902 --> 00:47:25,947 And we're just looking in absolute disbelief, and can't believe what he's done. 779 00:47:25,948 --> 00:47:28,491 And all I hear is... 780 00:47:29,451 --> 00:47:30,535 "What are you doing?" 781 00:47:31,328 --> 00:47:33,746 Screamed as loud as he could. 782 00:47:33,747 --> 00:47:36,207 He's just going to kill me. So I literally dropped the kettle 783 00:47:36,208 --> 00:47:39,752 and I was just legging it right round, all round The Cliff, and he's chasing me. 784 00:47:39,753 --> 00:47:41,754 Ended up having a big blister on the end of it. 785 00:47:41,755 --> 00:47:46,384 I don't what he was thinking. It was just a naughty school kid in him. 786 00:47:46,385 --> 00:47:47,927 "Right, I've got a pot here, he's... 787 00:47:47,928 --> 00:47:50,305 "Right, I think I'll have to do that, there's nothing else I can... 788 00:47:50,306 --> 00:47:51,598 "Right, I'll do it." 789 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,183 And I don't... 790 00:47:53,184 --> 00:47:55,685 I think he just lost himself. 791 00:47:55,686 --> 00:47:57,937 It is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. 792 00:47:57,938 --> 00:47:59,105 Brilliant. 793 00:47:59,106 --> 00:48:00,565 Manchester was absolutely brilliant. 794 00:48:00,566 --> 00:48:03,985 We were young lads playing for United. What couldn't we be happy about? 795 00:48:03,986 --> 00:48:05,445 We were doing everything that you wanted to do, 796 00:48:05,446 --> 00:48:08,406 with the badge that you wanted to wear, winning. 797 00:48:08,407 --> 00:48:10,950 At the time there was a lot of optimism. 798 00:48:10,951 --> 00:48:13,161 You know, six lads from the youth team have gone through 799 00:48:13,162 --> 00:48:15,121 and are regulars now in the United team. 800 00:48:15,122 --> 00:48:17,790 It was becoming a young person's world, you know? 801 00:48:17,791 --> 00:48:21,002 Music was changing. Politics was changing. Football was changing. 802 00:48:21,003 --> 00:48:26,257 You had a young band from Burnage, Oasis, just ruling the world. 803 00:48:26,258 --> 00:48:29,886 And it gave a lot of optimism. You could feel it within the country. 804 00:48:29,887 --> 00:48:32,597 Life in England was just going along nicely. 805 00:48:32,598 --> 00:48:34,807 And then all of a sudden there was this razzmatazz. 806 00:48:38,812 --> 00:48:44,984 There was this surge, this tidal wave of culture that suddenly dominated. 807 00:48:44,985 --> 00:48:48,238 Suddenly, luck sparkled in front of the world. 808 00:48:51,909 --> 00:48:55,411 I got a Union Jack guitar, and I sent it to him to sign, 809 00:48:55,412 --> 00:48:57,455 and I really should have known better, to be fair. 810 00:48:57,456 --> 00:49:02,460 He sent it back with, "To Gary, how many England caps do you deserve? 811 00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:05,630 "I'll tell you, none. Lots of love, Noel Gallagher." 812 00:49:05,631 --> 00:49:07,215 And put "MCFC" all over it. 813 00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:15,014 There was that feeling in that few years preceding that, 814 00:49:15,015 --> 00:49:17,725 the public spirit had disappeared. 815 00:49:17,726 --> 00:49:22,146 This long period of individuality, of selfishness, 816 00:49:22,147 --> 00:49:23,731 there's no such thing as society. 817 00:49:23,732 --> 00:49:29,195 That led inexorably to us wanting to re-establish a sense of idealism. 818 00:49:31,198 --> 00:49:35,243 Seventeen years of hurt never stopped us dreaming. 819 00:49:35,244 --> 00:49:36,744 Labour is coming home! 820 00:49:39,999 --> 00:49:43,626 I was constantly aware of the fact that I was young, very young. 821 00:49:43,627 --> 00:49:46,379 And I remember the very first day I came into Downing Street, 822 00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:48,756 going down to meet the head of the Civil Service, 823 00:49:48,757 --> 00:49:52,885 who was much more senior figure from the British establishment, 824 00:49:52,886 --> 00:49:58,224 and he looked at me and said, "Well done. What now?" 825 00:49:58,225 --> 00:50:01,311 You don't realise until you look back how important a time that was, 826 00:50:01,312 --> 00:50:04,272 and how fortunate you was to be around the place in them days. 827 00:50:04,898 --> 00:50:09,110 What those young players felt was possible for them as players, 828 00:50:09,111 --> 00:50:12,905 there was a curious kind of echo in culture, in art and in politics. 829 00:50:13,657 --> 00:50:18,244 I mean, when I look back now and think of the changes we made to the House of Lords, 830 00:50:18,245 --> 00:50:19,412 getting rid of the Hereditary Peers, 831 00:50:19,413 --> 00:50:21,622 Scottish Devolution, giving Scotland 832 00:50:21,623 --> 00:50:23,374 its first parliament, and then peace in Northern Ireland, 833 00:50:23,375 --> 00:50:24,751 sometimes I think 834 00:50:24,752 --> 00:50:28,588 what was great about the spirit of that time was that 835 00:50:29,757 --> 00:50:33,593 what, on rational analysis was impossible, 836 00:50:34,094 --> 00:50:38,431 became imbued by a spirit of possibility and was actually done. 837 00:50:38,432 --> 00:50:41,559 There was a kind of hope crept back into everything 838 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,438 and it was a great time of change, and it's party time, you know. 839 00:50:45,439 --> 00:50:47,148 It was good times. 840 00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:51,069 The Stretford End gets knocked down 841 00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:54,572 and all of a sudden you've got this massive big new stadium at Old Trafford. 842 00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:58,910 You've got stadiums going out around the world, bigger and better. 843 00:50:58,911 --> 00:51:00,745 Everything was getting bigger and better. 844 00:51:00,746 --> 00:51:02,330 The game became completely different. 845 00:51:02,331 --> 00:51:04,957 The way in which it was viewed. The way in which it was televised. 846 00:51:04,958 --> 00:51:07,710 The money that came into the game. The wages going up. 847 00:51:08,796 --> 00:51:12,965 English soccer became a major pan' of our identity. 848 00:51:12,966 --> 00:51:16,886 Suddenly it went from something that was politically kind of irrelevant 849 00:51:16,887 --> 00:51:20,473 to something that was politically important. 850 00:51:20,474 --> 00:51:23,810 We were part, probably, of a revolution, in a way. 851 00:51:23,811 --> 00:51:28,147 I suppose if you had to pick a footballer to epitomise that, more than any, 852 00:51:28,148 --> 00:51:29,232 it would be David Beckham. 853 00:51:44,123 --> 00:51:48,167 I grew up in East London. Born in Leytonstone. 854 00:51:48,168 --> 00:51:53,965 Lived in Leytonstone, right near the dog track for about 10 years, 855 00:51:53,966 --> 00:51:56,843 and then we moved to Chingford, posh part of East London. 856 00:51:56,844 --> 00:52:04,225 We stayed there up until I left for Manchester, which was when I was 15 years old. 857 00:52:04,226 --> 00:52:08,479 My dad was a huge Man United fan, all he talked about was United. 858 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,523 His favourite player was Bobby Charlton. 859 00:52:10,524 --> 00:52:12,859 My middle name is Robert Joseph. 860 00:52:12,860 --> 00:52:17,530 "Robert" because of Bobby Charlton, and "Joseph" because of my granddad. 861 00:52:18,073 --> 00:52:23,453 My granddad was a Tottenham fan. He'd been a season ticket holder for 50 years. 862 00:52:23,454 --> 00:52:28,916 So at Christmas, my dad always used to buy me a Man United kit, the new Man United kit. 863 00:52:28,917 --> 00:52:32,295 And my granddad always used to buy me the Tottenham kit. 864 00:52:32,296 --> 00:52:35,173 What was it like when you signed? How did you feel when you... 865 00:52:35,174 --> 00:52:38,593 it was brilliant. Straight from when we left here. 866 00:52:39,303 --> 00:52:42,555 When we got there, it was just brilliant. 867 00:52:42,556 --> 00:52:44,724 Signing the paper and that. 868 00:52:45,309 --> 00:52:47,393 Just couldn't believe it was happening. 869 00:52:47,394 --> 00:52:49,896 Becks turned up to United, and he looked like a Man United mascot. 870 00:52:49,897 --> 00:52:53,316 He had all the tracksuits, scarves, caps, Bobby Charlton badges. 871 00:52:53,317 --> 00:52:55,651 But he was just a fanatic Man United fan. 872 00:52:56,236 --> 00:52:59,906 It was a weird experience for us local lads to see 873 00:53:00,741 --> 00:53:04,744 a cockney lad knowing more about United than we did. 874 00:53:05,579 --> 00:53:07,079 A bit embarrassing. 875 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,416 Sir Alex Ferguson would just call my mum and dad's house, 876 00:53:10,417 --> 00:53:14,962 and my mum would answer and it would be this strong Scottish accent 877 00:53:14,963 --> 00:53:19,425 saying, "Mrs Beckham, it's Alex Ferguson," and my mum would be like... 878 00:53:21,261 --> 00:53:24,805 To my dad, you know. And my dad would be like, "No way". 879 00:53:24,806 --> 00:53:27,767 So my dad would come on the phone and he'd just have a chat, 880 00:53:27,768 --> 00:53:31,604 say, "How's David doing? How did he do last weekend?" 881 00:53:31,605 --> 00:53:35,191 And most of the time my dad would say, "He did all right, but he can do better". 882 00:53:35,192 --> 00:53:36,667 Because that's what my dad did. 883 00:53:36,668 --> 00:53:40,296 And Brucey and Robbo would just take the Mick out of him. 884 00:53:40,297 --> 00:53:42,298 "Flipping heck, he must be some player. 885 00:53:42,299 --> 00:53:44,133 "What's he doing in Man United's dressing room?" 886 00:53:44,134 --> 00:53:46,594 I'd go in the changing room and I'd help Norman 887 00:53:46,595 --> 00:53:50,139 pick up the dirty pants, the dirty socks, the dirty shorts from the... 888 00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:51,557 I was loving it. 889 00:53:51,558 --> 00:53:53,642 It was Man United, Man United players 890 00:53:53,643 --> 00:53:56,979 just kind of dropping their underwear on the floor, 891 00:53:56,980 --> 00:54:25,549 and I was grabbing it, putting it in the box. 892 00:54:25,550 --> 00:54:27,176 And won't you miss home? 893 00:54:27,177 --> 00:54:32,598 I probably will miss it a little bit, but I'll be doing what I want to do, so... 894 00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:36,143 What I've always admired about David is his mental toughness is phenomenal. 895 00:54:36,144 --> 00:54:39,188 I mean, people can say whatever they want about him who don't know him, 896 00:54:39,189 --> 00:54:47,770 but mental toughness, he's as tough as anybody you'll ever, ever, ever meet. 897 00:54:47,771 --> 00:54:50,773 We all got given car deals with Honda. 898 00:54:51,358 --> 00:54:53,526 So we all had these Honda Preludes. 899 00:54:53,527 --> 00:54:57,363 I'd waited for so many months for that car, so many years. 900 00:54:57,364 --> 00:55:01,242 You know, all the players had had their car before me. 901 00:55:01,243 --> 00:55:05,747 I was literally... I think you had to play 21 games, 902 00:55:05,748 --> 00:55:11,211 and I was on 18 or 19 for, like, six or eight months, which was killing me. 903 00:55:11,212 --> 00:55:12,295 Because I was so close. 904 00:55:15,466 --> 00:55:20,720 I went down to Honda, ordered my car, you know, came out with my Prelude. 905 00:55:20,721 --> 00:55:21,971 I was so happy with it. 906 00:55:21,972 --> 00:55:23,890 Becks had a black one. 907 00:55:24,433 --> 00:55:26,226 He paid extra for leather seats. 908 00:55:26,227 --> 00:55:27,644 I used my FA Cup bonus. 909 00:55:27,645 --> 00:55:30,939 I used every penny that I had. 910 00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:33,524 He paid extra for these special alloys. 911 00:55:33,525 --> 00:55:35,860 And the dealer, he said to me, 912 00:55:35,861 --> 00:55:39,614 he said, "You know that you have to give this car back after a year?" 913 00:55:39,615 --> 00:55:40,907 And I was saying, "Yeah, yeah, it'll be fine." 914 00:55:40,908 --> 00:55:42,992 We'd just use each other's cars. 915 00:55:42,993 --> 00:55:46,829 Every day we would use Becks', 'cause he had these leather seats. 916 00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:48,331 And he would go mad. 917 00:55:48,332 --> 00:55:51,125 Because we'd got our football boots on, so we're dirtying his car. 918 00:55:51,126 --> 00:55:54,420 And he's, "Lads, lads, don't scuff the leather, whatever you do." 919 00:55:54,421 --> 00:55:56,839 I can't actually remember saying it. 920 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,009 But it sounds like something that I would say. 921 00:56:00,010 --> 00:56:01,344 As soon as he said that, 922 00:56:01,345 --> 00:56:04,347 every day, we would stand outside his car, "Are you ready, Becks?" 923 00:56:04,348 --> 00:56:05,765 "We're ready to go over." 924 00:56:05,766 --> 00:56:08,726 And he would have to drive over, and we would just ruin his seats... 925 00:56:08,727 --> 00:56:12,647 Just ruin, you know, put our studs over the seats. 926 00:56:12,648 --> 00:56:15,024 It got nicked in the end, the car. 927 00:56:15,025 --> 00:56:17,110 But it looked great while I had it. 928 00:56:19,863 --> 00:56:23,992 The goal he scored against Wimbledon, he practised that in training every single day. 929 00:56:23,993 --> 00:56:26,035 Every single day he'd do that. 930 00:56:26,036 --> 00:56:27,537 Just booting balls from the halfway line. 931 00:56:27,538 --> 00:56:31,541 I call it booting, he was striking them, from the halfway line, towards the goal. 932 00:56:31,542 --> 00:56:34,043 Striking the ball, he was incredible. 933 00:56:39,258 --> 00:56:41,759 I was injured that game. 934 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,429 One of my mates said, "Becks just scored from the halfway line." 935 00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:47,515 So I'm thinking, "Slight exaggeration. 936 00:56:47,516 --> 00:56:51,728 "Probably scored like, maybe on the angle from 40 yards or something like that." 937 00:56:58,902 --> 00:57:02,155 I remember Eric Cantona just shaking his head and I'm thinking, 938 00:57:02,156 --> 00:57:05,575 "That's Eric Cantona, and he obviously thinks the goal was pretty good." 939 00:57:05,576 --> 00:57:09,329 The manager turned round to me and said, "Lucky that went in." 940 00:57:09,330 --> 00:57:11,956 'Cause I think I would have been pulled off. 941 00:57:11,957 --> 00:57:14,584 Even if he hadn't scored this goal, 942 00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:17,837 it was good idea. 943 00:57:19,631 --> 00:57:23,176 That was when I really all went like that and the publicity went like that. 944 00:57:23,177 --> 00:57:26,554 It must have been zoomed all around the world, that goal. 945 00:57:26,555 --> 00:57:28,681 The last person to do it would have been Pele, I think. 946 00:57:28,682 --> 00:57:30,433 And even he didn't score it. 947 00:57:30,434 --> 00:57:33,394 And do you know something, he wanted to be a star. 948 00:57:33,395 --> 00:57:37,065 He wanted to have leather in his car when we had cloth. 949 00:57:37,608 --> 00:57:40,693 He wanted to have the best speakers in his boot for the best music. 950 00:57:40,694 --> 00:57:42,779 He wanted to propel himself beyond football. 951 00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:46,491 Fashion was important to him. Music was important to him. 952 00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:50,078 Doing things more than just becoming a football player were important to him. 953 00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:56,125 I mean, Becks was obviously a huge star 954 00:57:56,126 --> 00:57:58,669 and just got bigger and bigger and bigger. 955 00:57:58,670 --> 00:58:04,258 But in regards to, in the dressing room, not a lot changed. Becks was Becks. 956 00:58:04,259 --> 00:58:06,511 He had a lot going on. You know, a lot of attention. 957 00:58:06,512 --> 00:58:10,348 He'd scored the goal against Wimbledon, he was now going out with Victoria. 958 00:58:10,349 --> 00:58:15,061 They were a massive story, so everything that they did, there was pressure on him. 959 00:58:15,062 --> 00:58:18,773 You know, what he's achieved is incredible in terms of his global appeal. 960 00:58:18,774 --> 00:58:20,274 I mean, it's phenomenal. 961 00:58:20,275 --> 00:58:23,736 To think that that's a football player, who can kick a football well. 962 00:58:23,737 --> 00:58:29,367 So I went to visit this obscure little Japanese school in the middle of nowhere, 963 00:58:29,368 --> 00:58:33,121 and I went in and was introduced to the school assembly. 964 00:58:35,165 --> 00:58:39,752 And I could see they hadn't the faintest idea, frankly, who I was, 965 00:58:39,753 --> 00:58:45,007 I'm not really sure they could have pointed to where Britain was on the map. 966 00:58:45,008 --> 00:58:48,594 And so finally, in desperation, I uttered the words "David Beckham", 967 00:58:48,595 --> 00:58:52,974 and then there was immediate ripple of recognition, and then you were away. 968 00:58:52,975 --> 00:58:55,268 A point of connection was established. 969 00:58:55,269 --> 00:58:58,521 Becks had always been comfortable with that. 970 00:58:58,522 --> 00:59:03,693 Right from the start really, where I wasn't as comfortable with it. 971 00:59:03,694 --> 00:59:06,362 And I felt that it was affecting my football. 972 00:59:06,363 --> 00:59:11,075 Becks did it in a way that it didn't affect his football. 973 00:59:11,076 --> 00:59:14,537 And luckily for me, sort of they left me alone, 974 00:59:14,538 --> 00:59:18,416 and then Becks sort of took it on to the next level. 975 00:59:18,417 --> 00:59:20,751 I thought, "How could he cope with this?" 976 00:59:20,752 --> 00:59:23,004 And he always did. He always did. 977 00:59:23,005 --> 00:59:26,466 And you were always worried as a friend, that... when would this have an impact? 978 00:59:30,304 --> 00:59:32,722 We played really well. We were playing great. 979 00:59:36,059 --> 00:59:39,437 And then I remember being absolutely hit from behind. 980 00:59:40,939 --> 00:59:42,565 I over-reacted, 981 00:59:44,526 --> 00:59:46,736 just kind of swung my leg up 982 00:59:48,655 --> 00:59:51,073 in a stupid way. 983 00:59:52,242 --> 00:59:55,578 As soon as I'd done that, I knew that I was off. 984 00:59:55,579 --> 00:59:58,831 I knew that I'd made a huge mistake. 985 01:00:02,586 --> 01:00:03,920 Oh, it's red! 986 01:00:04,546 --> 01:00:05,796 Oh, no! 987 01:00:07,925 --> 01:00:12,136 At the time I didn't realise what would come after that. 988 01:00:12,137 --> 01:00:14,722 I never thought that I would have to go through what I went through. 989 01:00:16,642 --> 01:00:20,728 I remember being sat in the changing room, no one was obviously in there. 990 01:00:20,729 --> 01:00:24,857 All the players came in and I realised that we were knocked out. 991 01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:27,693 None of the players said a word to me. 992 01:00:27,694 --> 01:00:32,865 The only people that spoke to me was Gary, Scholesy, you know, the United players. 993 01:00:35,619 --> 01:00:39,580 And then Tony Adams came up to me and put his arm round me. 994 01:00:39,581 --> 01:00:44,210 He said, "Do you know what, son? Everyone makes mistakes. Forget it." 995 01:00:45,587 --> 01:00:48,381 I remember walking out and seeing my mum and dad stood there. 996 01:00:48,382 --> 01:00:52,468 And I was 21, I think, at the time, 21, 22. 997 01:00:53,178 --> 01:00:57,473 And I remember literally falling into my dad's arms, just... And I... 998 01:00:57,474 --> 01:01:01,519 I haven't sobbed like that 999 01:01:02,646 --> 01:01:04,105 for years. 1000 01:01:04,106 --> 01:01:13,034 But I don't know, my emotions just got the best of me. 1001 01:01:13,035 --> 01:01:16,621 The boss called me and he said, "Don't worry, son, 1002 01:01:16,622 --> 01:01:21,001 "it's over, you'll come back, you're a Manchester United player, 1003 01:01:21,002 --> 01:01:24,087 "we'll look after you, everyone's supporting you, 1004 01:01:24,088 --> 01:01:25,839 "don't even worry about anything. 1005 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,676 "Go away, have a few weeks holiday, get some rest, 1006 01:01:29,677 --> 01:01:31,219 "but when you come back to Manchester United, 1007 01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:33,179 "you know you've got the support of everyone." 1008 01:01:35,683 --> 01:01:40,937 David was the first England player to receive that level of abuse 1009 01:01:40,938 --> 01:01:44,399 for a mistake that someone had made on a football field. 1010 01:01:45,443 --> 01:01:48,778 It was sickening, it was vile, it was bordering on criminal, 1011 01:01:48,779 --> 01:01:50,530 some of the things that he had to put up with. 1012 01:01:51,657 --> 01:01:54,326 I had quite a few death threats. 1013 01:01:54,327 --> 01:01:56,870 I had bullets through the post... 1014 01:01:56,871 --> 01:02:03,418 Delivered, no address on them, just hand-delivered through my letterbox. 1015 01:02:03,419 --> 01:02:06,379 It happened to my brother in 2000, two years later. 1016 01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:08,965 My brother gives away the penalty against Romania... 1017 01:02:08,966 --> 01:02:11,176 I got absolutely abused. 1018 01:02:11,177 --> 01:02:15,096 Abused publicly, abused in the media. 1019 01:02:16,098 --> 01:02:18,391 And I found it really difficult. 1020 01:02:19,602 --> 01:02:21,519 My wife came home from work one day, 1021 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,522 the gates were on fire with an England flag on the gates. 1022 01:02:24,523 --> 01:02:26,399 You take your wife out for a romantic meal, 1023 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,029 and you go to the toilet before the meal, and you get threatened 1024 01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:32,238 to have your lights punched out, 1025 01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,115 and then you go out and you have to take your wife home. 1026 01:02:34,116 --> 01:02:37,327 I had journalists turning round to my granddad, turning round and saying, 1027 01:02:37,328 --> 01:02:41,247 "Do you realise what your grandson has done?" 1028 01:02:41,749 --> 01:02:45,210 You know, for me to have heard that, 1029 01:02:46,003 --> 01:02:51,257 that made me feel worse than anything else. 1030 01:02:51,258 --> 01:02:56,846 To be honest with you, what I suffered was 10% of what he went through. 1031 01:02:56,847 --> 01:02:59,432 It affected me so much, it knocked my confidence, 1032 01:02:59,433 --> 01:03:03,436 I needed to get some kind of happiness for football back in my life. 1033 01:03:03,979 --> 01:03:05,772 So I started to pray before matches. 1034 01:03:06,399 --> 01:03:08,942 I prayed that I'd make my wife, my children, 1035 01:03:08,943 --> 01:03:12,612 my mum and my dad, my sister, my brother proud of what they were seeing 1036 01:03:12,613 --> 01:03:15,532 from me out on the pitch, and that's all I did. 1037 01:03:15,533 --> 01:03:19,577 I said the same prayer every week for the rest of my career. 1038 01:03:20,705 --> 01:03:23,331 And he had the same attitude with Beckham, 1039 01:03:23,332 --> 01:03:26,084 when he was sent off with England, with me when I was... 1040 01:03:26,085 --> 01:03:30,630 sent off in Crystal Palace, and the club had the same attitude. 1041 01:03:31,507 --> 01:03:34,759 I played for France this time. 1042 01:03:35,302 --> 01:03:37,846 Manchester United asked me to sign a contract. 1043 01:03:38,556 --> 01:03:40,098 And I was banned for nine months. 1044 01:03:40,891 --> 01:03:57,665 In France, completely opposite attitude. 1045 01:03:57,666 --> 01:04:02,628 When things happen outside the club, it's like everything just closes. 1046 01:04:02,629 --> 01:04:05,089 You know, nothing gets in, nothing gets out. 1047 01:04:05,632 --> 01:04:06,924 The manager protects you. 1048 01:04:06,925 --> 01:04:08,217 When will you allow Mr Beckham 1049 01:04:08,218 --> 01:04:10,803 to talk about the incident during the World Cup? 1050 01:04:12,597 --> 01:04:16,183 Well, he doesn't need to talk about anything. He's a Manchester United player. 1051 01:04:17,185 --> 01:04:18,602 He can talk about Manchester United. 1052 01:04:20,313 --> 01:04:22,022 In French we say "merveilleux malheur". 1053 01:04:26,903 --> 01:04:30,406 Sometimes it happens, something bad to you, but you use it. 1054 01:04:31,324 --> 01:04:32,866 And the way you will take, 1055 01:04:32,867 --> 01:04:36,662 it will be even better than the way you will have taken 1056 01:04:36,663 --> 01:04:38,497 if it didn't happen. 1057 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,548 Oh, the new kit's out. 1058 01:04:47,549 --> 01:04:48,841 Sad day. 1059 01:04:49,551 --> 01:04:51,427 Not a sad day. 1060 01:04:51,428 --> 01:04:53,429 Is that the new kit? Oh, Scholesy. 1061 01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:55,931 First time you've not been in here for how long? 1062 01:04:55,932 --> 01:04:57,599 20 years. 1063 01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,560 Giggs is still there, though. 1064 01:05:00,061 --> 01:05:01,353 Ashley Young's. 1065 01:05:01,354 --> 01:05:03,731 Should I sit where I used to sit? 1066 01:05:04,357 --> 01:05:05,566 Are you sat in your seats? 1067 01:05:05,567 --> 01:05:06,942 - Yeah. - Sat in my seat, yeah. 1068 01:05:06,943 --> 01:05:08,319 They're sat in their seats, they've done me over. 1069 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,862 You're sat next to the keeper, aren't you, Gaz? 1070 01:05:09,863 --> 01:05:10,904 Here. 1071 01:05:23,001 --> 01:05:25,377 What's going to happen over the next two weeks, 1072 01:05:25,378 --> 01:05:31,759 if we're successful, could be the most momentous 10 days, 1073 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,344 you know, in the club's history. 1074 01:05:33,345 --> 01:05:36,263 Maybe in any English team's history as well, you know, 1075 01:05:36,264 --> 01:05:40,392 because the Champions League, the FA Cup, the Championship. 1076 01:05:40,393 --> 01:05:42,353 It's there for us. 1077 01:05:42,354 --> 01:05:43,812 Yeah, with the Tottenham game 1078 01:05:43,813 --> 01:05:47,858 it was the first game of three cup finals, that's how we... 1079 01:05:47,859 --> 01:05:52,112 It's 10 days, three games. You win them, history. It's... 1080 01:05:52,113 --> 01:05:55,282 You know, sounds simple, but that's what it was really. 1081 01:05:55,283 --> 01:06:00,371 The fact that we had to beat Tottenham kind of meant more to me 1082 01:06:00,372 --> 01:06:01,830 than probably most of the other lads. 1083 01:06:02,957 --> 01:06:07,294 The league title, their starter for three, is within reach. 1084 01:06:07,295 --> 01:06:10,506 Manchester United have put themselves within touching distance, 1085 01:06:10,507 --> 01:06:14,968 can Tottenham Hotspur, of all people, open the door for Arsenal? 1086 01:06:16,137 --> 01:06:18,680 Up to half time I could have scored three, four, five goals, 1087 01:06:18,681 --> 01:06:20,849 I had that many chances and, you know, blew it. 1088 01:06:22,143 --> 01:06:24,853 Of course, United being United, you have to do it the hard way. 1089 01:06:24,854 --> 01:06:26,772 Go 1-nil down. 1090 01:06:26,773 --> 01:06:29,316 You know, that's not in the script, you know, what's going on? 1091 01:06:29,984 --> 01:06:33,278 I had a great chance with my head and skied it. 1092 01:06:33,279 --> 01:06:37,116 And all of a sudden you kind of think, "it's not going to be our day, 1093 01:06:37,117 --> 01:06:39,535 "we're going to blow it on the last game of the season." 1094 01:06:39,536 --> 01:06:41,161 And then you just look for heroes. 1095 01:06:41,162 --> 01:06:43,622 Tottenham seemed to bring out the best in Becks. 1096 01:06:43,623 --> 01:06:45,082 He used to always score great goals. 1097 01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:48,669 Whatever stadium you are in the world, when the ball comes to him, 1098 01:06:48,670 --> 01:06:51,839 you know because he's practised so hard throughout his career, 1099 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,926 he's going to produce that same technique, same quality. 1100 01:06:55,927 --> 01:06:57,636 Giggs to Scholes. 1101 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,139 Scholes to Beckham. 1102 01:07:01,558 --> 01:07:03,767 It's in! It's 1-1! 1103 01:07:03,768 --> 01:07:05,644 It's David Beckham! 1104 01:07:07,188 --> 01:07:11,442 It was a great goal, great technique, everything what David was about, really. 1105 01:07:11,443 --> 01:07:15,237 Becks doesn't get the credit for some of the goals he scored. 1106 01:07:15,238 --> 01:07:19,741 He got robbed in the FA Cup semi-final, because I scored the goal, 1107 01:07:19,742 --> 01:07:24,079 everyone forgets about his goal, his 25-yard bending it past David Seaman. 1108 01:07:24,873 --> 01:07:28,083 The Tottenham goal was just... 1109 01:07:29,127 --> 01:07:30,377 Only Becks can score it. 1110 01:07:30,378 --> 01:07:34,715 It's like a whip-ping, it's just a ridiculous goal. 1111 01:07:34,716 --> 01:07:36,341 - Then you scored. - Yeah. 1112 01:07:36,342 --> 01:07:39,636 Just before half time. And then it just sort of lifted everything. 1113 01:07:39,637 --> 01:07:42,181 - I missed a load of chances as well. - We had so many chances, didn't we? 1114 01:07:42,182 --> 01:07:43,765 - I had about four or five chances. - Did you? 1115 01:07:43,766 --> 01:07:45,225 Great chances, yeah. 1116 01:07:45,226 --> 01:07:48,687 I got a bit of a roasting at half time, I remember, for that game. 1117 01:07:49,522 --> 01:07:51,440 "How many chances do you want to score here?" 1118 01:07:51,441 --> 01:07:53,233 Nothing was going right for us. 1119 01:07:53,234 --> 01:07:55,402 Scholesy obviously had a few chances. 1120 01:07:55,403 --> 01:07:57,529 It'd never happened before, 1121 01:07:57,530 --> 01:07:59,281 that we'd actually won it here, at Old Trafford. 1122 01:07:59,282 --> 01:08:01,074 Did you set the goal up, Gaz? 1123 01:08:01,075 --> 01:08:04,745 Yeah. A left-foot hoik. It was a wonderful hoik. 1124 01:08:04,746 --> 01:08:07,247 It was a cultured pass into his path, I thought. 1125 01:08:07,248 --> 01:08:09,875 My left-foot hoik down the channel to Coley, that he scored from. 1126 01:08:09,876 --> 01:08:11,752 Yeah, it was a big long ball, wasn't it? 1127 01:08:11,753 --> 01:08:13,170 A fluke. 1128 01:08:13,171 --> 01:08:14,588 If Scholes or Beckham had done that pass, 1129 01:08:14,589 --> 01:08:16,965 honestly, it would have been talked about forever more. 1130 01:08:18,051 --> 01:08:19,676 You leave a big divot, though. 1131 01:08:20,637 --> 01:08:21,803 A big nine-iron. 1132 01:08:21,804 --> 01:08:23,972 And the fact I hadn't looked before I played it. 1133 01:08:25,183 --> 01:08:28,101 It was a wonderful pass. it was Platini. 1134 01:08:28,645 --> 01:08:33,273 It was just a hoof down the channel, and Coley just dinked it over. 1135 01:08:34,192 --> 01:08:36,944 And then it's 2-1, and you're thinking, "Right, we're at it." 1136 01:08:36,945 --> 01:08:39,446 But then we were hanging on towards the end because we just... 1137 01:08:39,447 --> 01:08:40,906 We still needed to win. 1138 01:08:40,907 --> 01:08:44,451 And I remember being in the centre circle when the whistle went, I fell to my knees 1139 01:08:44,452 --> 01:08:47,829 and kind of held my hands in the air, and I turned around 1140 01:08:47,830 --> 01:08:51,542 and Butty, literally, comes along, lifts... 1141 01:08:51,543 --> 01:08:54,253 Grabs me by the shirt, lifts me up, and we celebrate. 1142 01:08:54,254 --> 01:08:57,172 Those are the special moments that I know my granddad 1143 01:08:57,173 --> 01:08:59,299 would have been kind of swearing at me, 1144 01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:04,346 but then also kind of really happy at the fact that I was going to win a league. 1145 01:09:04,347 --> 01:09:06,473 And I think he'd have been even more happier, 1146 01:09:06,474 --> 01:09:09,268 just because it'd have either meant us winning the league 1147 01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:10,978 or Arsenal winning the league. 1148 01:09:10,979 --> 01:09:12,604 And as a Tottenham fan, 1149 01:09:12,605 --> 01:09:14,898 he was happy that Man United was winning the league. 1150 01:09:15,733 --> 01:09:19,861 I mean, with Becks scoring that goal, it was the full turn-around really 1151 01:09:19,862 --> 01:09:24,157 from the start of the season, all the World Cup carry-on, 1152 01:09:24,158 --> 01:09:25,534 the backlash from that, 1153 01:09:25,535 --> 01:09:27,202 to having a brilliant season 1154 01:09:27,203 --> 01:09:31,331 and finishing it with such an important goal in the league decider. 1155 01:09:31,332 --> 01:09:34,334 And, you know, one ticked off the list, two to go. 1156 01:10:00,194 --> 01:10:04,406 I grew up on a place called Langley in Middleton, 1157 01:10:04,407 --> 01:10:07,242 it's just a council estate really, a rough area. 1158 01:10:07,243 --> 01:10:08,619 I didn't think it was a rough area. 1159 01:10:08,620 --> 01:10:12,497 People from outside probably do, but it wasn't the nicest of places, 1160 01:10:12,498 --> 01:10:16,501 I don't suppose, but it's where I grew up and I... 1161 01:10:16,502 --> 01:10:17,878 I enjoyed it. 1162 01:10:17,879 --> 01:10:21,965 We had like a square at the end of our street, and a big fence, 1163 01:10:21,966 --> 01:10:24,551 I would just boot a ball against that all day and... 1164 01:10:25,511 --> 01:10:28,722 Then the neighbours tried to ban me. Tried to stop me playing and... 1165 01:10:28,723 --> 01:10:31,433 I think there was always arguments with my dad and the next-door neighbour 1166 01:10:31,434 --> 01:10:33,060 about stopping me from playing. 1167 01:10:33,895 --> 01:10:37,064 Then you get the "No ball games" sign, don%you? 1168 01:10:37,065 --> 01:10:39,358 You're not allowed to play any more, you have to go off, 1169 01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:41,068 try and play football wherever you can. 1170 01:10:42,236 --> 01:10:44,905 He's hard to explain, Scholesy, 1171 01:10:44,906 --> 01:10:47,115 because there's probably three or four different sides to him. 1172 01:10:47,116 --> 01:10:49,826 As a character he was always quiet, 1173 01:10:49,827 --> 01:10:53,830 but, you know, with this dry sense of humour, and one-liners. 1174 01:10:53,831 --> 01:10:56,583 Finished training, straight off home. 1175 01:10:56,584 --> 01:10:58,752 You know, we would joke, "Where's Scholesy gone?" 1176 01:10:58,753 --> 01:11:00,462 Didn't even see him leave. 1177 01:11:00,463 --> 01:11:05,425 Goes back in his Bat Cave, in his room, his packet of Wine Gums, his Minstrels, 1178 01:11:05,426 --> 01:11:09,388 his M&Ms, whatever he has, watches his telly. 1179 01:11:09,389 --> 01:11:11,973 And the next time you'd see him is if you go round to his room, 1180 01:11:11,974 --> 01:11:14,101 and you'd go in his room, and it was funny 1181 01:11:14,102 --> 01:11:17,020 because whatever time of day you'd go into Paul Scholes' room, 1182 01:11:17,021 --> 01:11:20,399 it'd be pitch black. The curtains would be closed. 1183 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:26,106 He'd be in bed, with his shorts on, pitch black with the telly on. 1184 01:11:36,624 --> 01:11:40,252 But I suppose for me, Scholesy, I love that. It's just very romantic, 1185 01:11:40,253 --> 01:11:44,214 that idea of a guy who doesn't really care about all this, not so much. 1186 01:11:44,215 --> 01:11:46,049 Not really bothered about all that, really. 1187 01:11:46,050 --> 01:11:50,011 Just wants to play the game, get on with it and live a normal life. 1188 01:11:50,012 --> 01:11:53,014 I think a lot of us relate to that, you know. 1189 01:11:53,015 --> 01:11:55,559 People ask me to do interviews 1190 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,020 and I don't have to do them, to me it's just not necessary. 1191 01:11:59,021 --> 01:12:03,358 All I wanted to do was play football 1192 01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:07,147 and I never realised that all that side came with it, really. 1193 01:12:07,148 --> 01:12:11,735 There is nothing more beautiful than seeing him arrive in that hole, 1194 01:12:11,736 --> 01:12:14,696 everybody is faffing about in the penalty area, 1195 01:12:14,697 --> 01:12:17,365 there's a big hole outside the penalty area, 1196 01:12:17,366 --> 01:12:20,076 outside the penalty box, and there he is arriving. 1197 01:12:21,078 --> 01:12:22,746 Back for Scholes. Oh! 1198 01:12:23,539 --> 01:12:26,583 That's one of the kind of great moments in life, I think, 1199 01:12:26,584 --> 01:12:29,085 seeing Paul Scholes arise for a screamer. 1200 01:12:29,086 --> 01:12:33,423 The best way that I found it was to try and keep things as simple as... 1201 01:12:33,424 --> 01:12:35,842 as they possibly could be. 1202 01:12:35,843 --> 01:12:38,511 I think the minute you start trying to do things you can't... 1203 01:12:38,512 --> 01:12:40,221 you're not good at, like, 1204 01:12:40,222 --> 01:12:44,267 say if I went started trying dribbling, trying to beat people, it'd be a waste of time. 1205 01:12:44,268 --> 01:12:46,936 I mean, if you know Scholesy, you just don't turn your back on him. 1206 01:12:48,356 --> 01:12:50,940 You know, you go out and train, we'd be on a field 1207 01:12:50,941 --> 01:12:54,944 and if you needed a piss or something, you'd go over in the bushes. 1208 01:12:54,945 --> 01:12:56,237 But you'd never turn your back. 1209 01:12:56,238 --> 01:12:59,908 I mean, you learnt that as a young player, you never turn your back, so you'd be... 1210 01:13:00,493 --> 01:13:01,785 You know, you'd be... 1211 01:13:01,786 --> 01:13:04,954 I always try and hit someone on the back of the head. 1212 01:13:04,955 --> 01:13:06,206 Not intentionally... 1213 01:13:06,207 --> 01:13:07,374 Well, a little bit intentionally, 1214 01:13:07,375 --> 01:13:09,417 just aim for them if they weren't quite watching. 1215 01:13:10,628 --> 01:13:15,048 You'd go over and Scholesy would just be peppering balls at them. 1216 01:13:15,049 --> 01:13:18,927 And now and again he'd obviously hit you. More often than not, actually. 1217 01:13:18,928 --> 01:13:21,971 So, if you were new, or if you were a foreign player, 1218 01:13:21,972 --> 01:13:26,309 and you didn't know Scholesy, you soon got to know, 1219 01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:29,437 if you're going to have a piss, then don't turn your back. 1220 01:13:29,438 --> 01:13:32,482 One day I did catch Phil Neville with a beauty, actually. 1221 01:13:32,483 --> 01:13:35,485 It was about 60 yards away, right on the other side of the pitch, 1222 01:13:35,486 --> 01:13:38,530 and I think he was doing a bit of extra running after training. 1223 01:13:38,531 --> 01:13:39,823 A few of the lads were sat down. 1224 01:13:39,824 --> 01:13:43,660 I've smacked a ball and it's just hit him full on the head 1225 01:13:43,661 --> 01:13:45,995 and he's gone down eating grass and everything. 1226 01:13:45,996 --> 01:13:49,332 We're just on the floor pissing ourselves, 1227 01:13:49,333 --> 01:13:52,127 and he didn't have a clue which one of us it was. 1228 01:13:52,128 --> 01:13:53,795 It was one of them perfect moments. 1229 01:13:54,964 --> 01:13:58,842 But like I say, I just saw that as a bit of passing practice, really. 1230 01:14:07,351 --> 01:14:10,687 The FA Cup final to me, and probably to you lot as well, 1231 01:14:10,688 --> 01:14:12,439 growing up as a kid it's... 1232 01:14:13,816 --> 01:14:17,569 It's something you look forward to. The twin towers at Wembley, the... 1233 01:14:18,571 --> 01:14:21,448 Just the full day, I think, getting up from 9:00 in the morning, 1234 01:14:21,449 --> 01:14:22,866 whoever is playing in it, 1235 01:14:22,867 --> 01:14:25,368 it was just the biggest day of the football year for me. 1236 01:14:26,287 --> 01:14:30,665 It was the biggest thing in my eyes as a kid, was the FA Cup final, 1237 01:14:31,876 --> 01:14:37,088 and trying to think about being able to be involved in one, or a couple of them, 1238 01:14:37,089 --> 01:14:39,048 was just something you'd laugh about as a kid. 1239 01:14:39,049 --> 01:14:41,217 If you told your teacher you were going to do that, 1240 01:14:41,218 --> 01:14:44,608 he'd probably piss himself laughing at you. 1241 01:14:44,609 --> 01:14:46,902 The FA Cup final is the time-honoured finale to the domestic season. 1242 01:14:50,782 --> 01:14:54,242 But if Manchester United can complete the English double here today, 1243 01:14:54,243 --> 01:14:58,872 a European treble, a unique treble, falls within their compass... 1244 01:14:58,873 --> 01:15:04,002 So the FA Cup final comes on the Saturday, and we just want peace. 1245 01:15:04,003 --> 01:15:07,839 We were playing against Newcastle, and you just want a comfortable game. 1246 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:12,594 You never get that in an FA Cup final, it's always nervy, it's always tense. 1247 01:15:12,595 --> 01:15:14,596 But we got a comfortable game. 1248 01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:16,348 We played really well in the first half. 1249 01:15:16,349 --> 01:15:19,893 We lost Keaney after about 20 minutes, which was a blow. 1250 01:15:19,894 --> 01:15:21,228 Then Teddy came on. 1251 01:15:21,229 --> 01:15:23,939 Even in adversity, things that went wrong for us 1252 01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:26,274 ended up being a positive, because the lad that came on scored. 1253 01:15:27,735 --> 01:15:31,196 Scholes... That's perfect for Sheringham! 1254 01:15:31,197 --> 01:15:33,740 The substitute scores instantly! 1255 01:15:33,741 --> 01:15:38,286 And Paul Scholes, who won't have any part to play in Barcelona sadly, 1256 01:15:38,287 --> 01:15:41,456 played a big part in that goal! 1257 01:15:41,457 --> 01:15:44,209 And Scholesy manages to do what he normally does, 1258 01:15:44,210 --> 01:15:46,128 scores big goals on big occasions. 1259 01:15:48,589 --> 01:15:52,884 Not just to play in one, but to score in an FA Cup final was... 1260 01:15:52,885 --> 01:15:54,928 To me, it's the best thing I've done. 1261 01:15:55,805 --> 01:15:59,141 Sheringham... Scholes! It's two. 1262 01:15:59,142 --> 01:16:03,895 I think, again, like Scholesy, it sort of goes under the radar, that goal. 1263 01:16:03,896 --> 01:16:07,107 Pan' of me thinks that he was happy that it was sandwiched in between 1264 01:16:07,108 --> 01:16:09,609 two of the biggest games. He scored the winning goal. 1265 01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:11,736 Normally, if you score the winning goal in the cup final, 1266 01:16:11,737 --> 01:16:13,989 your face is on the front page of the newspapers 1267 01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:15,574 and you're shown all summer. 1268 01:16:15,575 --> 01:16:19,452 And it just got lost in the euphoria of the previous seven days 1269 01:16:19,453 --> 01:16:21,496 and the next three days. 1270 01:16:21,497 --> 01:16:25,750 And it sums up Scholesy's character in a way, because he wasn't bothered, 1271 01:16:25,751 --> 01:16:30,505 and this was a lad that just scored the winning goal, FA Cup final. Go home. 1272 01:16:30,506 --> 01:16:33,675 Play with his kids. Have a beer. End of story. 1273 01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:42,350 One thing that the times did represent, and in a way those individuals represented, 1274 01:16:43,102 --> 01:16:47,731 was an understanding that although we lived in more individualistic times, 1275 01:16:47,732 --> 01:16:51,943 yet there was still a unique capacity 1276 01:16:51,944 --> 01:16:54,779 to be greater together than you were alone. 1277 01:16:54,780 --> 01:16:59,284 I think in our eyes we were just playing a game of football with our mates. 1278 01:16:59,285 --> 01:17:01,077 I know it sounds a bit... 1279 01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:05,081 Sounds a bit stupid when you think, "God, you're playing for Man United," 1280 01:17:05,082 --> 01:17:07,959 but we were lucky enough to play well together, 1281 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,837 and at the same time are playing for the biggest club in the world. 1282 01:17:10,838 --> 01:17:12,088 We bounced off each other. 1283 01:17:12,089 --> 01:17:14,549 We were all pals, we all went out, socialised together. 1284 01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:17,260 We'd even go out with our girlfriends in groups. 1285 01:17:17,261 --> 01:17:18,637 We was just 1286 01:17:18,638 --> 01:17:22,974 six young lads who were enjoying life like you couldn't believe, really. 1287 01:17:22,975 --> 01:17:24,851 It was just one of them... It was like a dream. 1288 01:17:24,852 --> 01:17:28,480 No matter where we were from, no matter how we were brought up, 1289 01:17:28,481 --> 01:17:32,525 no matter what we'd been through, through our B-Team, A-Team, 1290 01:17:32,526 --> 01:17:36,655 reserve-team years, we all had each other's back. 1291 01:17:36,656 --> 01:17:38,782 When you talk about brothers, me and my brother, 1292 01:17:38,783 --> 01:17:41,451 it wasn't just that, everyone was like a brother. 1293 01:17:41,452 --> 01:17:43,578 You know, whether you'd grown up through the ranks, 1294 01:17:43,579 --> 01:17:45,956 or it was a team-mate that had been bought in, 1295 01:17:45,957 --> 01:17:47,165 you really looked after one. 1296 01:17:47,166 --> 01:17:51,753 If someone got hurt, we always tried to make sure we got the person back, 1297 01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:54,839 and it was usually Nicky that did. 1298 01:18:05,977 --> 01:18:08,979 Yeah, growing up in Gorton was just a joy, really. 1299 01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:12,232 I was always with all my mates, it was a real working-class place. 1300 01:18:12,858 --> 01:18:14,526 You know, everyone looked after each other. 1301 01:18:14,527 --> 01:18:17,028 No matter where you went, the doors were always open. 1302 01:18:17,029 --> 01:18:21,283 Butty's from Gorton, and I think it's where they filmed Shameless, 1303 01:18:21,284 --> 01:18:22,951 so it gives you a bit of an idea of the area. 1304 01:18:22,952 --> 01:18:25,912 But obviously Butty is proud of where he comes from. 1305 01:18:25,913 --> 01:18:29,916 I think one of his first cars was an Orion. 1306 01:18:29,917 --> 01:18:32,043 I remember getting in it once, 1307 01:18:32,044 --> 01:18:35,714 and I looked down, and there's a chain about that thick. 1308 01:18:36,882 --> 01:18:38,550 "Butty, what is that?" 1309 01:18:38,551 --> 01:18:42,262 He went, "No, no, where I live, you've got to have one of these." 1310 01:18:42,263 --> 01:18:45,724 And he used to wrap it round the gearstick, wrap it round the steering wheel, 1311 01:18:45,725 --> 01:18:48,893 and it was the thickest chain... I'm surprised that the car could even move. 1312 01:18:48,894 --> 01:18:52,897 It was like an anchor, and it was just purely for security. 1313 01:18:53,482 --> 01:18:57,277 He was a tough lad, he was streetwise. 1314 01:18:57,278 --> 01:19:02,407 If there was ever any trouble, then you knew you could just look to your right or left 1315 01:19:02,408 --> 01:19:04,826 and Nicky would be there to sort it out. 1316 01:19:04,827 --> 01:19:07,245 I think he looked after Gary a few times as well, actually. 1317 01:19:07,246 --> 01:19:11,249 Down tunnels, it's always nice to have a couple of lads alongside you, isn't it? 1318 01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:12,625 He wasn't the biggest, Butty. 1319 01:19:12,626 --> 01:19:15,962 But he had good technique of how to get into people, you know what I mean? 1320 01:19:15,963 --> 01:19:17,856 You know, people know how to hit people. 1321 01:19:17,857 --> 01:19:22,110 Nicky, at youth level, was the best player in the team. 1322 01:19:22,111 --> 01:19:23,820 He had an unbelievable temperament, 1323 01:19:23,821 --> 01:19:26,615 he could play on any stage, at any level, and not be phased. 1324 01:19:30,953 --> 01:19:33,246 We started thinking this is going to be magical, 1325 01:19:33,247 --> 01:19:38,001 probably after the FA Cup, 'cause all the hype was about the treble, 1326 01:19:38,002 --> 01:19:39,544 but we never really mentioned it. 1327 01:19:39,545 --> 01:19:41,129 Everyone must have thought about it deep down, 1328 01:19:41,130 --> 01:19:43,632 but it never got... it never come out vocally. 1329 01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:46,635 We had a big problem, 1330 01:19:46,636 --> 01:19:51,556 because Keane and Scholes were banned for the final of the European Cup. 1331 01:19:51,557 --> 01:19:53,100 Scholes tackle. 1332 01:19:53,101 --> 01:19:54,226 Well, he won the ball. 1333 01:19:55,728 --> 01:20:00,232 But the ref... Oh, it's a yellow card! And he'll miss the final if United get there. 1334 01:20:00,233 --> 01:20:03,819 I knew from that point I wasn't going to be available 1335 01:20:03,820 --> 01:20:06,196 for the Champions League final, and that was that. 1336 01:20:06,197 --> 01:20:08,198 Nothing I could do about it. 1337 01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,575 Do you know what I mean? Obviously you're disappointed at the time, 1338 01:20:10,576 --> 01:20:12,994 a little bit disappointed in the dressing room, 1339 01:20:12,995 --> 01:20:15,038 but the most important thing was that we'd got there. 1340 01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,167 I think the biggest disappointment was Roy missing it, 1341 01:20:19,168 --> 01:20:21,795 'cause he had been so good in that semi-final 1342 01:20:21,796 --> 01:20:25,966 that it was going to be major problem for us really, not having Roy. 1343 01:20:40,314 --> 01:20:41,982 We needed someone... 1344 01:20:41,983 --> 01:20:45,277 We needed someone that was willing to take the fight to Bayern Munich, 1345 01:20:45,278 --> 01:20:49,322 and in Nicky Butt we had the perfect person. He's fearless. 1346 01:20:49,323 --> 01:20:52,200 You know, you go to war, you take Nicky Butt with you. 1347 01:20:52,201 --> 01:20:57,289 You know, the manager told him, "Forget the FA Cup final. Forget it. 1348 01:20:57,290 --> 01:21:00,208 "You're playing in the Champions League final. You know, I can't risk it." 1349 01:21:00,209 --> 01:21:02,878 I was distraught, I was thinking... I was devastated. 1350 01:21:02,879 --> 01:21:05,630 I was thinking, I was just saying to the manager, "Well, it's the FA Cup." 1351 01:21:05,631 --> 01:21:07,841 But I knew, ultimately, the end, 1352 01:21:07,842 --> 01:21:11,511 the reward at the end was massive for myself. And the club. 1353 01:21:12,472 --> 01:21:17,267 He's the, you know, the only real proper centre midfielder in the team. 1354 01:21:17,268 --> 01:21:20,520 So there was a big of pressure on him as well, and it was against a very good team. 1355 01:21:23,191 --> 01:21:24,691 They're showing their character now. 1356 01:21:24,692 --> 01:21:29,946 The team spirit has been fantastic since beating Liverpool in the cup tie. 1357 01:21:29,947 --> 01:21:32,699 Sort of a focus on the essential 1358 01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:35,577 of never giving in, and team spirit, and determination. 1359 01:21:36,621 --> 01:21:39,664 I was completely on my arse, and I had to sell my Lambretta. 1360 01:21:39,665 --> 01:21:43,460 My most prized possession is my Lambretta scooter, 1361 01:21:43,461 --> 01:21:46,588 and I sold it on the Monday, the game was on the Wednesday. 1362 01:21:46,589 --> 01:21:49,758 And then booked us on a week's holiday to Salou, 1363 01:21:49,759 --> 01:21:53,720 and then get 400 quid each for a ticket. I was like, the crowd we were in... 1364 01:21:53,721 --> 01:21:56,264 It was any means necessary, you know. 1365 01:22:01,270 --> 01:22:04,606 The Nou Camp is one of the iconic venues. 1366 01:22:04,607 --> 01:22:07,442 It wasn't plush, it was pretty old, really. 1367 01:22:07,443 --> 01:22:10,904 You go down the tunnel, it was bare concrete walls. 1368 01:22:10,905 --> 01:22:13,114 On the right-hand side there's a little room, 1369 01:22:13,115 --> 01:22:17,077 it's like a little chapel where you go in and pray. 1370 01:22:17,078 --> 01:22:18,870 Before you're going out to get killed, 1371 01:22:18,871 --> 01:22:20,664 you've got to go in and say a prayer first type thing, 1372 01:22:20,665 --> 01:22:23,416 and then you come to the bottom of the tunnel, 1373 01:22:23,417 --> 01:22:25,627 and at the Nou Camp the steps go up. 1374 01:22:25,628 --> 01:22:30,131 And as you're coming up the steps, all you can see is the stadium above you. 1375 01:22:30,132 --> 01:22:33,885 Manchester United were the first English club to lift the European Cup, 1376 01:22:33,886 --> 01:22:38,723 but no Manchester United team, no English team, has ever won this treble. 1377 01:22:38,724 --> 01:22:41,142 History beckons tonight. 1378 01:22:41,143 --> 01:22:43,270 The amount of Man United fans that were there was phenomenal 1379 01:22:43,271 --> 01:22:46,314 compared to Munich. We took up three-quarters of the ground. 1380 01:22:46,315 --> 01:22:49,484 You knew you were in a massive game then, and then you just look for your family, 1381 01:22:49,485 --> 01:22:52,571 give them a little wave and then it's just game on then. 1382 01:22:52,572 --> 01:22:53,822 This is it for us. 1383 01:22:53,823 --> 01:22:58,868 This is the moment where we either become Manchester United legends, 1384 01:22:58,869 --> 01:23:02,289 or we just win the league and the FA Cup. 1385 01:23:03,291 --> 01:23:07,085 The game didn't go great, obviously, with the start. 1386 01:23:07,086 --> 01:23:10,338 And they were such a powerful team, such an experienced team, 1387 01:23:10,339 --> 01:23:12,132 that you thought, back of your mind, 1388 01:23:12,133 --> 01:23:15,093 "Is it one too many to come back in this game? 1389 01:23:15,094 --> 01:23:18,346 "We'd done it so much, have we run out of luck? 1390 01:23:18,347 --> 01:23:20,390 "Have we run out of something, 1391 01:23:20,975 --> 01:23:22,934 "um, at the crucial point?" 1392 01:23:22,935 --> 01:23:25,186 And Manchester United, as they've done 1393 01:23:25,187 --> 01:23:27,897 time and time again on this European run, 1394 01:23:27,898 --> 01:23:29,649 have made it hard for themselves. 1395 01:23:31,027 --> 01:23:34,571 At half-time, I remember the manager sitting down with us, 1396 01:23:34,572 --> 01:23:38,700 and I could tell, you know, there was a few nerves throughout the team and players. 1397 01:23:39,285 --> 01:23:43,038 He told us, "Just think how you would feel 1398 01:23:43,039 --> 01:23:46,124 "if you had to walk past that Champions League trophy 1399 01:23:46,125 --> 01:23:49,085 "and you couldn't touch it, you couldn't pick it up. 1400 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,379 "You know, you hadn't won it. 1401 01:23:51,881 --> 01:23:57,385 "So, if you're feeling tired, or if you feel like you can't run any more, 1402 01:23:57,386 --> 01:23:58,511 "just think Of that." 1403 01:23:58,512 --> 01:24:01,765 "Just think of having to walk past it and you can't pick it up, 1404 01:24:01,766 --> 01:24:03,850 "you can't touch it, you can't kiss it." 1405 01:24:05,144 --> 01:24:07,187 The only doubts that I ever had 1406 01:24:07,188 --> 01:24:10,231 were probably in the last half an hour of the Champions League final. 1407 01:24:10,733 --> 01:24:12,859 Because Bayern Munich were still getting chances. 1408 01:24:13,402 --> 01:24:15,737 They were hitting the bar, they were hitting the post. 1409 01:24:16,614 --> 01:24:20,367 And we weren't playing well. Things weren't happening for us. 1410 01:24:20,368 --> 01:24:23,578 We weren't getting our crosses in. I wasn't overlapping. 1411 01:24:23,579 --> 01:24:25,830 Giggsy wasn't getting his dribbles in. 1412 01:24:25,831 --> 01:24:28,750 We didn't have the combinations between Yorke and Cole. 1413 01:24:28,751 --> 01:24:31,586 Things that we'd done all year... The moment... 1414 01:24:31,587 --> 01:24:33,755 There was no momentum in the game. 1415 01:24:33,756 --> 01:24:35,590 And all of a sudden, with about 15 minutes to go, 1416 01:24:35,591 --> 01:24:37,676 Becks came out to the right-hand side. 1417 01:24:37,677 --> 01:24:39,761 We made a couple of changes. 1418 01:24:39,762 --> 01:24:41,805 Teddy came on. Ole came on. 1419 01:24:41,806 --> 01:24:45,433 And all of a sudden I thought, "Here we go." 1420 01:24:47,436 --> 01:24:49,521 It was disaster for the club, Roy Keane missing it. 1421 01:24:49,522 --> 01:24:51,523 Disaster for Roy Keane. 1422 01:24:51,524 --> 01:24:55,110 But maybe that was God's way of saying this is Nicky Butt's moment. 1423 01:24:56,737 --> 01:25:00,365 If people ever sort of doubted, how good a player Butty was, 1424 01:25:00,366 --> 01:25:03,535 then that shows everything about the player, 1425 01:25:03,536 --> 01:25:06,287 because he was just a rock that night. 1426 01:25:07,456 --> 01:25:09,124 He was immense. I was there. 1427 01:25:09,125 --> 01:25:10,375 What a guy. 1428 01:25:10,376 --> 01:25:12,377 Gorton, there you go. 1429 01:25:12,378 --> 01:25:15,004 He's from Manchester. He knows what it meant. 1430 01:25:15,005 --> 01:25:16,172 You know what I mean? 1431 01:25:16,173 --> 01:25:18,258 But if it goes back to fundamentally what it was about, 1432 01:25:18,259 --> 01:25:20,385 it was about us keeping driving forward, keep attacking. 1433 01:25:20,386 --> 01:25:22,887 We got corner after corner after corner and... 1434 01:25:23,472 --> 01:25:27,475 And with people like Becks on the pitch to put balls in like that, 1435 01:25:27,476 --> 01:25:31,229 and the attacking power we had, and the aerial power we had, 1436 01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:33,148 you know, it should only be a matter of time. 1437 01:25:33,774 --> 01:25:37,819 Manchester United teams under Sir Alex Ferguson always went to the end. 1438 01:25:37,820 --> 01:25:41,322 Always. Because we always felt, "Get one goal, we'll always get another. 1439 01:25:41,323 --> 01:25:42,699 "We'll always get a chance." 1440 01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:46,453 Three minutes to go, "Don't panic, we always get a chance." 1441 01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:50,248 Three added minutes. David Beckham. 1442 01:25:51,417 --> 01:25:52,959 Now Gary Neville. 1443 01:25:54,336 --> 01:25:57,172 Cross deflected. Effenberg. Out for a corner. 1444 01:25:57,173 --> 01:25:59,007 Can Manchester United score? 1445 01:25:59,008 --> 01:26:00,675 They always score. 1446 01:26:00,676 --> 01:26:02,427 And I remember sprinting over to the corner, 1447 01:26:02,428 --> 01:26:05,013 and I had a good feeling because I knew that 1448 01:26:05,014 --> 01:26:07,849 I'd been kind of playing pretty well in the game. 1449 01:26:09,477 --> 01:26:13,104 And I remember putting the ball down, and it's really tight in the corners. 1450 01:26:13,105 --> 01:26:14,689 I could hear the United fans. 1451 01:26:15,858 --> 01:26:18,359 But I was just concentrating more 1452 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:22,697 on watching Peter Schmeichel run up from his goal, 1453 01:26:22,698 --> 01:26:27,202 and knowing that, as a kid, if I put a bad cross in 1454 01:26:27,203 --> 01:26:30,580 while we're warming the goalkeepers up, 1455 01:26:30,581 --> 01:26:32,791 Pete would absolutely kill us. 1456 01:26:32,792 --> 01:26:35,627 I think those moments, when I was a youth-team player, 1457 01:26:35,628 --> 01:26:38,797 prepared me for moments like this. 1458 01:26:39,465 --> 01:26:41,883 Schmeichel is forward. Can he score another in Europe? 1459 01:26:41,884 --> 01:26:44,010 - He's got one in Europe already. - Beckham. 1460 01:26:44,011 --> 01:26:47,472 In towards Schmeichel. It's come for Dwight Yorke. 1461 01:26:47,473 --> 01:26:48,890 Cleared. Giggs with a shot! 1462 01:26:48,891 --> 01:26:50,099 Sheringham! 1463 01:26:53,687 --> 01:26:56,648 So then we were back in the game. Everyone was celebrating. 1464 01:26:56,649 --> 01:27:00,193 Everyone was like, you know, we've got it to extra time. 1465 01:27:00,194 --> 01:27:05,240 I looked at the players that I'd grown up with on the pitch at that time, 1466 01:27:05,241 --> 01:27:10,078 and I knew that they knew that it wasn't over. 1467 01:27:13,582 --> 01:27:16,793 I'm thinking, shit, we've got extra time now, I better get my legs going again. 1468 01:27:16,794 --> 01:27:19,754 So I've sprinted right back, for, like, about 50 yards, 1469 01:27:19,755 --> 01:27:21,172 trying to get some blood going through my legs. 1470 01:27:21,173 --> 01:27:24,926 As soon as we equalised, 1471 01:27:26,387 --> 01:27:27,887 my mindset just switched. 1472 01:27:27,888 --> 01:27:29,806 "Get this to extra time, we're going to beat them." 1473 01:27:29,807 --> 01:27:31,266 That was my mindset straight away. 1474 01:27:31,267 --> 01:27:32,600 "We're going to beat them in extra time." 1475 01:27:32,601 --> 01:27:37,605 And the next minute and a half, I couldn't even tell you what happened. 1476 01:27:37,606 --> 01:27:39,732 That's an out-of-body experience, that. 1477 01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:43,945 We won the ball back again. We broke forward. 1478 01:27:43,946 --> 01:27:45,446 We got another corner. 1479 01:27:45,948 --> 01:27:48,449 I'm getting goosebumps just... I can feel it. 1480 01:27:48,450 --> 01:27:52,537 I remember the feeling of getting that ball in the corner, 1481 01:27:53,455 --> 01:27:56,291 knowing that I'm going to put a good corner in again. 1482 01:28:01,005 --> 01:28:04,173 And then everything just literally erupted. 1483 01:28:05,092 --> 01:28:07,969 In to Sheringham... And Solskjaer has got it! 1484 01:28:16,645 --> 01:28:19,230 This was what was meant to happen. 1485 01:28:19,815 --> 01:28:23,359 There's no greater feeling than scoring in the last minute to win a game. 1486 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,486 You know, I've had kids. 1487 01:28:25,487 --> 01:28:26,905 I've had kids and I've got married, 1488 01:28:26,906 --> 01:28:29,324 but it's the greatest feeling in the whole wide world. 1489 01:28:29,325 --> 01:28:31,618 I don't remember the final whistle, to be honest with you. 1490 01:28:31,619 --> 01:28:32,952 It was like the game was over then. 1491 01:28:35,831 --> 01:28:36,915 History is made. 1492 01:28:36,916 --> 01:28:38,666 As soon as the final whistle went, 1493 01:28:38,667 --> 01:28:42,921 it was relief, it was excitement, it was joy, it was everything. 1494 01:28:42,922 --> 01:28:46,174 And I just went to my knees and just started sobbing. 1495 01:28:46,842 --> 01:28:49,344 I just remember lying on the floor, looking up, thinking, 1496 01:28:49,345 --> 01:28:52,263 almost nearly crying on the pitch, thinking, "Oh, my God. 1497 01:28:52,264 --> 01:28:54,182 "What has just happened here?" 1498 01:28:54,183 --> 01:28:56,809 I went up to Gary, the lights were on, nobody was in. 1499 01:28:56,810 --> 01:29:00,396 His eyes were glazed. His eyeballs were rolling. 1500 01:29:00,397 --> 01:29:04,651 I looked up and the first person coming towards me was the gaffer. 1501 01:29:05,194 --> 01:29:07,445 And just got up and just hugged him. 1502 01:29:07,446 --> 01:29:10,907 But that night you felt you were hugging and you just never wanted to let go. 1503 01:29:10,908 --> 01:29:14,369 The best feeling I've ever had on a football pitch. The best... 1504 01:29:15,454 --> 01:29:16,788 Best I've ever felt. 1505 01:29:16,789 --> 01:29:19,540 It's the greatest day of my life, 1506 01:29:19,541 --> 01:29:21,751 and it's hard for me to comprehend it. 1507 01:29:22,378 --> 01:29:25,171 Gary Neville, 24. Phil Neville, 22. 1508 01:29:25,172 --> 01:29:30,426 David Beckham, 24. Nicky Butt, 24. Giggs, 25. 1509 01:29:30,427 --> 01:29:36,599 Whatever they achieve in their futures, I doubt that they will ever, ever cap this. 1510 01:29:38,102 --> 01:29:42,480 Manchester United are Champions of Europe again. 1511 01:29:42,481 --> 01:29:46,150 I remember feeling Scholesy should have been out there with us. 1512 01:29:46,151 --> 01:29:50,822 The image that I like most is when we all make a tunnel for Scholesy and Keaney 1513 01:29:50,823 --> 01:29:52,782 and they come through and carry the European Cup, 1514 01:29:52,783 --> 01:29:57,120 because they were absolutely critical to everything that we achieved that season. 1515 01:29:57,121 --> 01:29:59,872 I'd rather have just gone in the dressing room 1516 01:29:59,873 --> 01:30:03,418 and waited for everyone, really, and congratulated people that way, 1517 01:30:03,419 --> 01:30:08,923 but, you know, I suppose the players made a big deal out of it, 1518 01:30:08,924 --> 01:30:12,885 and me and Roy embarrassingly were on the pitch. 1519 01:30:23,355 --> 01:30:24,689 I'll never ever forget that. 1520 01:30:24,690 --> 01:30:27,650 After all them years of waiting and then to see it, 1521 01:30:27,651 --> 01:30:32,780 your team win the Champions League in your lifetime, in such amazing fashion. 1522 01:30:32,781 --> 01:30:36,034 In fact, I missed the winning goal, I was crying like a baby. 1523 01:30:36,035 --> 01:30:37,952 Once that first goal went in. 1524 01:30:38,787 --> 01:30:41,914 I missed the winning goal. I was just slumped on my seat. 1525 01:30:42,458 --> 01:30:44,959 I was just out of it emotionally, gone, you know? 1526 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,128 I've always been... 1527 01:30:48,464 --> 01:30:50,965 Never got carried away, never ever got carried away. 1528 01:30:50,966 --> 01:30:53,468 I nearly got carried away that night, you know, but... 1529 01:30:53,469 --> 01:30:56,137 So excited, but it made me immensely proud. 1530 01:30:59,892 --> 01:31:04,937 The romance of the last-minute never-say-die moment, of them winning 1531 01:31:04,938 --> 01:31:06,939 I suppose was very special. 1532 01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:10,318 That continuity between 1533 01:31:11,612 --> 01:31:14,238 the Busby Babes being lost as a team, 1534 01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:20,495 you know, that potential, that wonder, that was so tragically interrupted, 1535 01:31:20,496 --> 01:31:23,331 and then being renewed by that manager again, 1536 01:31:23,332 --> 01:31:27,085 ten years later to win the European Cup, and then 30 years later, 1537 01:31:27,086 --> 01:31:30,505 to have to wait 30 years just to see them do it again, was... 1538 01:31:31,006 --> 01:31:33,216 Yeah, it was very, very special, I think, really. 1539 01:31:35,886 --> 01:31:37,804 You were massively aware that night 1540 01:31:37,805 --> 01:31:40,598 of what you were representing in the history of the club, 1541 01:31:40,599 --> 01:31:45,186 because that's where the club, and all its tradition, 1542 01:31:46,271 --> 01:31:50,525 all its history that it's got, comes back and just comes all into one moment. 1543 01:31:50,526 --> 01:31:52,568 And that night seemed to be just one of those moments. 1544 01:31:57,074 --> 01:31:59,826 I think winning the European Cup is massive for anybody, 1545 01:31:59,827 --> 01:32:04,372 but when you've won it with lads that you've grew up with all your life, 1546 01:32:04,373 --> 01:32:07,333 and we've got good pictures now of the six of us 1547 01:32:07,334 --> 01:32:11,337 with the European Cup, and it's, like, some of us knew each other from 12. 1548 01:32:13,173 --> 01:32:16,342 I never look back. I don't like to look back, I always like to look forward. 1549 01:32:16,343 --> 01:32:18,219 But if you said to me, "Could you live 10 days again?", 1550 01:32:18,220 --> 01:32:19,846 it would be those 10 days. 1551 01:32:19,847 --> 01:32:21,514 It's unbelievable. 1552 01:32:24,476 --> 01:32:26,769 It's perfect script. 1553 01:32:28,897 --> 01:32:30,106 Yeah. 1554 01:32:30,107 --> 01:32:31,524 It's romantic. 1555 01:32:31,525 --> 01:32:35,631 Only sports can give you this kind of emotion. 1556 01:32:35,632 --> 01:32:41,345 But the one thing, when you look back, in 100 years, the treble of '99 will be... 1557 01:32:42,139 --> 01:32:44,015 That will never be forgotten, that. 1558 01:32:44,016 --> 01:32:50,313 I think there are special moments in time when a whole series of things come together, 1559 01:32:50,314 --> 01:32:55,484 when you had those young people from, you know, very ordinary backgrounds, 1560 01:32:55,485 --> 01:32:58,529 who suddenly symbolised, represented something new 1561 01:32:58,530 --> 01:33:02,742 and had that extraordinary ability to achieve. 1562 01:33:03,243 --> 01:33:06,245 And to achieve in a way 1563 01:33:07,247 --> 01:33:08,581 that people hadn't done before. 1564 01:33:08,582 --> 01:33:12,877 You always hope and think that things will happen again. 1565 01:33:12,878 --> 01:33:16,297 But will there ever be a time where six lads 1566 01:33:16,298 --> 01:33:21,385 who grew up from the age of 12, 13, come through and win a treble, 1567 01:33:21,386 --> 01:33:24,639 having supported the club? I'm not sure. 1568 01:33:25,265 --> 01:33:26,974 I'm not sure it can happen again. 1569 01:33:26,975 --> 01:33:29,518 I'm not sure football, the way in which it's going to go, 1570 01:33:29,519 --> 01:33:31,896 I'm not sure football, in the way, in the immediacy of life now, 1571 01:33:31,897 --> 01:33:33,522 where everything's got to be instant, 1572 01:33:33,523 --> 01:33:39,820 I don't think you'll ever see six, seven players coming through in British football again. 1573 01:33:39,821 --> 01:33:44,408 Well, you probably dream about playing for Man United, don't you, but... 1574 01:33:44,409 --> 01:33:48,204 The reality for most people, it's not going to happen. 1575 01:33:48,205 --> 01:33:51,832 And we were just the lucky ones that it did happen to. 1576 01:33:51,833 --> 01:33:55,503 We managed to all play with each other right through the youth team, 1577 01:33:55,504 --> 01:33:59,840 straight through to the first team. It doesn't really happen at that many places, 1578 01:34:00,550 --> 01:34:03,886 and will anything like that happen again? I'm not too sure. 1579 01:34:06,723 --> 01:34:12,853 Until recently, where I sat back and looked at old videos, looked at old pictures, 1580 01:34:12,854 --> 01:34:16,440 and really kind of thought about what it was like 1581 01:34:16,441 --> 01:34:20,653 with these players that I'd grown up with, to win what we'd won, 1582 01:34:20,654 --> 01:34:24,532 to turn round and see, you know, Gary behind me... 1583 01:34:24,533 --> 01:34:27,201 We'd grown up in those positions. 1584 01:34:27,202 --> 01:34:31,038 You know, to look to the side and see Scholesy and Butty and Giggsy. 1585 01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:35,876 You know, to look back to see Phil. You know, this was... 1586 01:34:37,546 --> 01:34:41,215 This was more special than anything I've been involved in 1587 01:34:41,216 --> 01:34:44,016 through my whole life and my whole career. 1588 01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:48,240 Subtitle synced and corrected by coolsuren. 145882

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