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{\an8}♪ ♪
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7-Adam-15, we're code 6
at the 911 call location.
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Any further contact from
the distressed individual?
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Negative.
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Do you want me to startadditional units?
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Uh, no. Give us a minute
to scope it out first.
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- You ready?
- Do I have a choice?
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{\an8}That's the spirit.
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LAPD.
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We've received a distress call
from this location.
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We are making entry.
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♪ ♪
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Ooh.
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Oh.
Do you feel that?
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Feel what?
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Ah, something evil's
in here.
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Well, sure smells like it.
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-I can't die.
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Won't let me die.
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Police.
Show yourself.
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I can't die.
It's inside of me.
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- It won't let me die.
- Don't touch that, all right?
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Just--call this in.
Call it in.
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I need an RA to my location
for a stabbing victim.
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So I usually sit
right next to camera
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to keep the eyeline tight.
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Then I'll just sit
on the other side.
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No, because then
you'll split his look.
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- I don't think it matters.
- Oh, hey. Hi.
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Thanks--thanks again
for sitting down with me.
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- Us.
- What? Oh, right, us.
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Uh, why are you filming?
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{\an8}- Oh, I just wanted to document
the new partnership.
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{\an8}Abigail was very excited.
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- It's not a partnership.
- It's totally a partnership.
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- The judge was very clear.
- The judge?
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My name is Abigail Tierney.
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I'm currently trapped
inside a secret lab
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at Westview Psychiatric.
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All attempts at escape
have proven fruitless.
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I may have inadvertently used
some of Abigail's footage
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in my last documentary without
gaining the proper permissions.
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Translation, he stole
my intellectual property,
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I sued, and the judge
gave him a choice--
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pay me 200 thou in damages
or give me equal partnership
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in his next project.
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He never said equal,
but you know what?
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Never mind.
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Let's focus on the story
that we're here to tell.
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Have a seat.
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Perhaps the most shocking
case of murder
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and mayhem we've ever seen.
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Would you say
that's a fair assessment?
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Um--
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No, no, stay--stay back.
Stay back. Stay back.
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- You don't understand.
- OK, relax.
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OK, we're trying to help you.
Who stabbed you?
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I stabbed myself.
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It's inside of me.
I've tried everything else.
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I can't kill it.
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I can't die.
See?
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No, don't pull that--
don't pull it out!
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Oh, God.
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Oh, he died instantly.
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I mean, the wound was fatal.
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You can't stab yourself
in the heart and survive.
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But the way the knife
was lodged,
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he wasn't bleeding.
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Once he pulled it out--
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- It was blood fountain city.
- Not exactly, but--
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As shocking as that was,
it was far from
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the most shocking thing
you found.
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Oh, we should get him
to say that
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to set up the opening credits.
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That's not--we--
we don't put words
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in people's mouths.
It's a documentary.
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Yeah, it was, uh,
straight-up crazy.
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- You don't think--
- There's a body in there.
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May have finally found it.
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Please don't kill us.
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We will join your cult.
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- Oh.
- Oh, God.
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{\an8}- You arrived on scene
as the sergeant's supervisor?
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{\an8}Yes.
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{\an8}I got there before
the ambulance,
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{\an8}not that there was any aid
they could have rendered.
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{\an8}- Is there a reason
you didn't want us
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{\an8}to interview you with Tim?
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{\an8}What?
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No. We're just--
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{\an8}just shaking it up.
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{\an8}- Let's-- let's--
let's stay focused.
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{\an8}Were you the first
to recognize the victim?
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{\an8}Uh, sort of.
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{\an8}I thought I knew his face,
but it wasn't until
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{\an8}we ran his prints
that we got a name.
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{\an8}Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
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{\an8}He had been with
the department for 30 years
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and was a little bit
of a legend,
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{\an8}mostly because he made a series
of training videos
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{\an8}from the mid-'90s
till his retirement in 2015,
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{\an8}which by modern standards,
are a little cringe.
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{\an8}- Hey, everybody.
Rich Rowley here
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{\an8}with another installment of...
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{\an8}♪ ♪
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{\an8}Now, today, we're gonna
be talking about
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{\an8}proper cuffing technique.
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{\an8}Excuse me, officer?
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{\an8}I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
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{\an8}Would you mind
cuffing me in front?
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{\an8}Pretty lady like you,
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{\an8}what's the worst
that could happen?
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{\an8}- Thank you.
You're welcome.
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{\an8}-
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{\an8}Rich was a trip.
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{\an8}The life of the party,
at least early in his career.
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{\an8}Then as the years went on,
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{\an8}he became a little, uh, crazy.
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{\an8}Crazy how?
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{\an8}- He was deep into
conspiracy theories.
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{\an8}He had a real thing
for cults and cabals.
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{\an8}- To be fair, Los Angeles does
have a pretty dark history.
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{\an8}But Rich took it
to the next level,
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{\an8}and his training videos
got more
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{\an8}and more intense because of it.
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{\an8}We finally got around
to updating the videos
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{\an8}this last year, but that
caused quite a controversy
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{\an8}with some of
the older officers.
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{\an8}They said we were
being insensitive.
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{\an8}- Why would updating training
videos be insensitive?
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{\an8}- Even three years on,
a lot of his friends
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{\an8}were still mourning his death
and saw the videos as a way
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{\an8}- to keep his memory alive.
I'm sorry.
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{\an8}I thought Rich died
six months ago.
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{\an8}- Yeah.
He did.
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{\an8}I'm talking about
the first time.
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Divers are searching for
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any signs of retired
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{\an8}Los Angeles police officerRichard Rowley
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{\an8}after a sailing tripgone wrong.
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{\an8}Coast Guard respondedto a distress call
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{\an8}this morningfrom Rowley's wife,
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{\an8}who says the 55-year-oldfell overboard
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{\an8}after the sailboathe was captaining
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{\an8}was struck by a rogue wave.
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{\an8}- Any time someone disappears
from a boating trip,
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{\an8}it automatically sets off
alarm bells.
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{\an8}Why is that?
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{\an8}- It's just an ideal place
to cover up a crime.
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{\an8}Throw a body overboard,
weigh it down,
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{\an8}the likelihood of us
recovering it before
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{\an8}it becomes fish food is low.
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{\an8}- And circumstances
were suspicious.
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{\an8}By all accounts,
Rich was a skilled sailor,
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{\an8}it was a calm day, and the
only witness to his demise
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{\an8}was Darla Phillips,
his on again, off again
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{\an8}girlfriend, who he married
five days prior.
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{\an8}So you suspected foul play?
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{\an8}
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{\an8}- Not necessarily,
but we couldn't rule it out.
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{\an8}- Why wasn't Rich
wearing a life vest?
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{\an8}- He never did.
He was a strong swimmer.
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{\an8}He must have hit
his head when he fell.
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{\an8}- Why didn't you
jump in after him?
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{\an8}- I'm scared of dark water.
Dark water?
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{\an8}- Water you can't see
the bottom of.
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{\an8}Just blackness
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{\an8}with God knows what
lurking below.
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{\an8}- You stand to inherit
Rich's entire police pension.
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{\an8}That's quite a bit of money.
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{\an8}How dare you?
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{\an8}I just watched the love of
my life die in front of me.
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{\an8}- We don't know that
for sure yet.
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{\an8}They haven't found his body.
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{\an8}Unless you know more
that you're not telling us.
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{\an8}Go to hell!
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{\an8}This interview is over.
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{\an8}- Did it ever occur to you
that Rich might still be alive?
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{\an8}- As we said, we couldn't
rule anything out,
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{\an8}but there was no evidence
that he'd faked his death.
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{\an8}- Until he turned up
dead again.
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{\an8}Needless to say, we had
a few more questions for Darla.
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{\an8}- Helping someone fake
their death isn't a crime.
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{\an8}- I checked.
You're right,
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{\an8}but profiting
off of that death,
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{\an8}collecting Rich's pension
and his life insurance,
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{\an8}that's fraud.
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{\an8}- Not to mention the resources
that were wasted
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{\an8}trying to recover his body.
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{\an8}You could be facing
some serious charges.
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{\an8}So tell us.
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{\an8}Why did Rich want to
fake his death?
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{\an8}- After Rich retired,
he kind of fell apart.
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{\an8}His drinking got worse,
and his paranoia.
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{\an8}He was always a little intense,
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{\an8}but it started to get scary.
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{\an8}He covered all his windows
with newspapers,
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{\an8}started writing down the
license plates of passing cars.
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{\an8}What was he so afraid of?
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{\an8}- He said there was
this group, like,
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{\an8}a secret society of dangerous
and powerful people.
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{\an8}He'd been on to them for years.
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{\an8}He said that they found out
about him,
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{\an8}that he was in danger
because of it.
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{\an8}It was too much for me,
so I broke up with him.
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{\an8}And then a year later,
he showed up on my doorstep
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and asked me to help him
fake his death
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in return for his pension.
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I needed the money.
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So we got married,
and we did the deed,
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and I never saw him again.
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So you have no idea why there
was a coffin in his garage?
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We'll probably hold
this piece of the puzzle
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until the end of the first act,
you know,
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{\an8}hit the audience
with a twist when
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{\an8}- it's dramatically expedient.
Yeah.
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{\an8}Seems manipulative.
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{\an8}All good storytelling is, so.
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{\an8}- Just tell us about
finding the coffin.
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{\an8}- So once I arrived,
and we secured the crime scene,
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we cleared
the rest of the house,
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and then we moved on
to the garage.
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Oh.
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Oh, you don't think there's--
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That there's a body in there?
I absolutely do.
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OK, are we gonna open it?
'Cause I don't wanna open it.
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What do you think?
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I mean,
it's clearly been dug up.
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Given the state of the coffin,
it's clearly been
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underground for a few years.
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If there is a body in there,
it's likely long dead.
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- Unless--
- Unless what?
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Unless he put a fresh victim
in an old coffin.
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OK, got it.
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- Got it?
- Yep.
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Oh.
Oh, God.
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The body belonged to
a 54-year-old truck driver
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named Marcus Ford,
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who was the victim ofan unsolved homicide
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back in 2020.
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How was he killed?
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Uh, he was stabbed
in the heart.
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Just like Rich.
249
00:09:49,827 --> 00:09:52,455
Wait, Rich murdered
Marcus Ford.
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- Did I just solve the case?
- No.
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We were able to alibi Rich out.
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He was hospitalized with double
pneumonia the day Marcus died.
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Medical records say
he was so weak that,
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uh, he could barely
get out of bed.
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Or that's what
he wanted you to think.
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Moving on.
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Digging up a body's
no easy task.
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Why would Rich go
to all that trouble?
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Initially,
we thought it was simply
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the demented act of
a clearly disturbed mind,
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and in some ways, it was.
262
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But then we found the tattoo.
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At first, it was
a little bit difficult
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00:10:22,276 --> 00:10:24,195
to make out exactly
what it was.
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A half a decade of decomp
does a number on the skin.
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00:10:27,615 --> 00:10:30,201
But when we look back
at the case file,
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there was a photo of it taken
during the original autopsy.
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That's actually kind of sick.
269
00:10:33,955 --> 00:10:36,082
I wonder if there's a way
to track down the artist.
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I've been meaning
to start the sleeve
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on my other arm, like a--
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To my collaborator's point,
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lots of people have tattoos.
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What was it about this one
that jumped out at you?
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Well, something about it
was familiar to both of us,
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but we couldn't place it.
277
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So we started asking around,
and the answer couldn't come
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from a more unlikely place.
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I watched the Rich Rowley
training videos
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more than any person alive,
281
00:11:00,815 --> 00:11:04,360
so I recognized
the symbol immediately.
282
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{\an8}- Sometimes,
citizens panic when
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{\an8}they can't get in touch with
their friends or loved ones.
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That is why we always
advise the public
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to wait 24 hours before
reporting someone missing.
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While most missing
person reports stem
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from a lapse
in communication,
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every once in a while,
you'll encounter
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a true, workable case.
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00:11:22,837 --> 00:11:25,631
Officer, help.
My sister is missing.
291
00:11:25,631 --> 00:11:27,091
When's the last time
you saw her?
292
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Last night at the bar.
293
00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:31,137
Her boyfriend said
she never made it home.
294
00:11:31,137 --> 00:11:34,974
You always wanna take a
report like this one seriously.
295
00:11:34,974 --> 00:11:37,560
- So Rich hid the same symbolin his training videos
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that was tattooed onthe body of a murder victim.
297
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What did you think that meant?
298
00:11:42,148 --> 00:11:44,400
Uh, I don't know.
299
00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,151
I can't believe
I'm saying this,
300
00:11:45,151 --> 00:11:46,360
but Smitty was right.
301
00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,362
In lesson 187,
the tattoo symbol
302
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was hidden in the background,
303
00:11:50,239 --> 00:11:51,949
although the instructions
304
00:11:51,949 --> 00:11:54,243
to wait 24 hours before
reporting a missing person
305
00:11:54,243 --> 00:11:56,162
are wildly outdated.
306
00:11:56,162 --> 00:11:57,914
Anyways, it got me thinking.
307
00:11:57,914 --> 00:12:01,083
What if Rich put messages
in other videos?
308
00:12:01,083 --> 00:12:02,335
What kind of messages?
309
00:12:02,335 --> 00:12:03,794
I'm not totally sure yet.
310
00:12:03,794 --> 00:12:05,838
I binged every single
Rich training video
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I could get my hands on.
312
00:12:06,839 --> 00:12:08,382
Yeah, it's been
a fun few nights.
313
00:12:08,382 --> 00:12:10,301
And I did find a few
other possible leads,
314
00:12:10,301 --> 00:12:11,636
but there's a problem.
315
00:12:11,636 --> 00:12:12,929
The department's
archive is incomplete,
316
00:12:12,929 --> 00:12:14,347
and without all of the videos,
317
00:12:14,347 --> 00:12:15,514
I can't be sure
that I'm not missing
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a vital piece of information.
319
00:12:16,933 --> 00:12:18,809
So what happened
to the missing videos?
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00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:20,978
So when the training topics
and the videos
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00:12:20,978 --> 00:12:24,607
become outdated because
of new laws or protocols,
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00:12:24,607 --> 00:12:26,317
the department has
to make new ones,
323
00:12:26,317 --> 00:12:28,778
and obsolete videos
are supposed to be digitized
324
00:12:28,778 --> 00:12:31,989
and archived
for historical record.
325
00:12:31,989 --> 00:12:34,367
But Rich's were just gone.
326
00:12:34,367 --> 00:12:35,993
Gone as in destroyed?
327
00:12:35,993 --> 00:12:38,621
- Like a cover-up?
- No one's saying that.
328
00:12:38,621 --> 00:12:40,831
Most likely,
it was a human error.
329
00:12:40,831 --> 00:12:43,459
You know, someone got lazy,
didn't archive them.
330
00:12:43,459 --> 00:12:45,294
I tried reaching out
to the production company
331
00:12:45,294 --> 00:12:48,464
that made the videos to see
if they had any copies left.
332
00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:51,509
Bad news is they went out
of business a few years back
333
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:53,386
and auctioned off
all their equipment.
334
00:12:53,386 --> 00:12:55,471
What's the good news?
335
00:12:55,471 --> 00:12:58,766
Well, I managed to track down
the auction logs,
336
00:12:58,766 --> 00:13:00,768
and I actually know
the person who purchased
337
00:13:00,768 --> 00:13:03,229
the studio's old hard drives.
338
00:13:03,229 --> 00:13:06,482
Careful, I'm very ticklish,
like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
339
00:13:06,482 --> 00:13:07,483
Same.
340
00:13:07,483 --> 00:13:09,527
I hear it's a sign
of intelligence.
341
00:13:09,527 --> 00:13:10,820
- Is that a fact?
- Yep.
342
00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:13,447
Then I am smart
as the dickens.
343
00:13:13,447 --> 00:13:15,199
So you purchased hard drives
344
00:13:15,199 --> 00:13:17,034
{\an8}from Speak Now Studios?
345
00:13:17,034 --> 00:13:19,120
{\an8}- Yeah. Dropout was still
in its infancy.
346
00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,414
I was building the company
from the ground up.
347
00:13:21,414 --> 00:13:23,666
We had to be smart about
how we were spending our money.
348
00:13:23,666 --> 00:13:26,335
We bought a huge amount
of equipment secondhand--
349
00:13:26,335 --> 00:13:28,254
hard drives, cameras, wigs.
350
00:13:28,254 --> 00:13:31,299
Wait, you bought
second-hand wigs?
351
00:13:31,299 --> 00:13:32,591
Give them a little shake
before we put them on.
352
00:13:32,591 --> 00:13:34,051
That's awesome.
353
00:13:34,051 --> 00:13:35,303
Do you still have
that wig connect?
354
00:13:35,303 --> 00:13:37,930
'Cause I'd love a referral.
My guy is--
355
00:13:37,930 --> 00:13:39,807
Back on track.
356
00:13:39,807 --> 00:13:42,059
The hard drives you bought
contain police training videos.
357
00:13:42,059 --> 00:13:43,644
Did you happen to watch
any of them?
358
00:13:43,644 --> 00:13:45,646
Of course.
Rich Rowley, right?
359
00:13:45,646 --> 00:13:47,648
We were obsessed
with those videos.
360
00:13:47,648 --> 00:13:50,359
We probably watched them,
like, a dozen times.
361
00:13:50,359 --> 00:13:53,029
I'm Rich Rowley, and this is
"Survive the Streets."
362
00:13:53,029 --> 00:13:54,655
Oh, that's great.
363
00:13:54,655 --> 00:13:56,032
Vic can do
the best impression.
364
00:13:56,032 --> 00:13:57,950
Do you think you'd be able
to make copies for us?
365
00:13:57,950 --> 00:14:00,328
I totally would,
366
00:14:00,328 --> 00:14:01,620
but I can't because
367
00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:03,331
we wiped all of those
hard drives
368
00:14:03,331 --> 00:14:04,915
to use as servers months ago.
369
00:14:04,915 --> 00:14:06,792
Sorry I couldn't be
of more help.
370
00:14:06,792 --> 00:14:10,629
You'll still feature
this interview, right?
371
00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:12,214
- Yeah.
- Yeah, probably not.
372
00:14:12,214 --> 00:14:14,008
Wait, you said you
and the Dropout crew
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00:14:14,008 --> 00:14:16,761
watched the video, like,
dozens of times, right?
374
00:14:16,761 --> 00:14:18,888
Yes, sometimes on an edible,
mostly sober.
375
00:14:18,888 --> 00:14:20,806
I have an idea.
376
00:14:20,806 --> 00:14:22,266
OK, so then he'd be like,
don't forget to check
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00:14:22,266 --> 00:14:23,768
the closet or you'll die.
So I don't know.
378
00:14:23,768 --> 00:14:25,478
I think it's
a little bit more like,
379
00:14:25,478 --> 00:14:27,271
like, if you forget
to check the closet,
380
00:14:27,271 --> 00:14:29,982
Freddy, Jason, and Chucky
will rip off your scrote!
381
00:14:29,982 --> 00:14:31,734
OK, I think
there's less foot stuff.
382
00:14:31,734 --> 00:14:33,319
I feel like he's like--
383
00:14:33,319 --> 00:14:35,321
and then your crazy
methy ex-girlfriend
384
00:14:35,321 --> 00:14:37,531
who's been hiding in
the hallway closet
385
00:14:37,531 --> 00:14:39,408
will chainsaw your face
when you get home
386
00:14:39,408 --> 00:14:41,285
because you forgot
to clear the room!
387
00:14:41,285 --> 00:14:42,286
- Clear the room!
- Clear the room!
388
00:14:42,286 --> 00:14:43,871
Check the room.
389
00:14:43,871 --> 00:14:45,831
I think he was so close
to pulling out his gun--
390
00:14:45,831 --> 00:14:47,583
- What are you guys doing?
- That's a great question.
391
00:14:47,583 --> 00:14:49,210
They're reenacting
the police training videos
392
00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:50,544
since you guys wiped them
off your hard drive.
393
00:14:50,544 --> 00:14:52,213
Oh, the Rich Rowley ones.
394
00:14:52,213 --> 00:14:53,714
- Those are so funny.
- Right.
395
00:14:53,714 --> 00:14:55,216
I actually stole
one of the hard drives
396
00:14:55,216 --> 00:14:56,425
so I could watch it
when I'm in the tub.
397
00:14:56,425 --> 00:14:57,593
You talking about
your tub again?
398
00:14:57,593 --> 00:14:58,761
- Say what?
- A little self-care.
399
00:14:58,761 --> 00:15:00,513
You know,
trying to relax a little more.
400
00:15:00,513 --> 00:15:02,598
- It's not working.
- Can we have it?
401
00:15:02,598 --> 00:15:04,225
If you want to borrow it,
I could, you know.
402
00:15:04,225 --> 00:15:05,685
No, I think this is
actually working great.
403
00:15:05,685 --> 00:15:08,187
- I mean, you could. OK.
- Keep this up.
404
00:15:08,187 --> 00:15:09,063
- Riffing.
- Clearing the room.
405
00:15:09,063 --> 00:15:10,398
Help us.
406
00:15:10,398 --> 00:15:11,649
OK, I finally
finished watching
407
00:15:11,649 --> 00:15:13,234
all of the Rich
training videos,
408
00:15:13,234 --> 00:15:14,693
and there is a lot.
409
00:15:14,693 --> 00:15:17,780
Um, take lesson 277--
410
00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:22,785
My azaleas!
411
00:15:22,785 --> 00:15:26,414
A cold case where victim
Azalea Robinson was found
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00:15:26,414 --> 00:15:28,249
stabbed near a ski resort.
413
00:15:28,249 --> 00:15:29,625
- You're kidding.
- No.
414
00:15:29,625 --> 00:15:32,628
And in lesson 290,
Rich is holding a folder
415
00:15:32,628 --> 00:15:34,422
with a Post-It note
on the back with a brown star
416
00:15:34,422 --> 00:15:35,756
- drawn on it.
- I'm lost.
417
00:15:35,756 --> 00:15:38,509
Right, so I looked up
the cold cases
418
00:15:38,509 --> 00:15:40,219
to see if there were
any victims with names
419
00:15:40,219 --> 00:15:42,138
like Star or Stella,
420
00:15:42,138 --> 00:15:43,639
and there was one hit,
421
00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:45,141
Stella Brown,
422
00:15:45,141 --> 00:15:47,435
also found stabbed
in the chest.
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00:15:47,435 --> 00:15:49,395
In all,
Lucy found clues pointing
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00:15:49,395 --> 00:15:51,814
to seven different cold cases.
425
00:15:51,814 --> 00:15:53,816
But why was Rich hiding
the names of murder victims
426
00:15:53,816 --> 00:15:55,651
in police training videos?
427
00:15:55,651 --> 00:15:56,902
Based on what
we could piece together,
428
00:15:56,902 --> 00:15:59,196
he believed he had stumbled
upon a conspiracy--
429
00:15:59,196 --> 00:16:01,532
a series of connected murders
committed by person
430
00:16:01,532 --> 00:16:03,159
or persons unknown.
431
00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:04,952
If that were the case,
why not just report
432
00:16:04,952 --> 00:16:07,329
his suspicion?
He was a cop for 30 years.
433
00:16:07,329 --> 00:16:09,832
Well, Rich had
a bit of a reputation
434
00:16:09,832 --> 00:16:14,378
within the department for,
shall we say, magical thinking.
435
00:16:14,378 --> 00:16:18,215
So unfortunately, his theory
was dismissed out of hand.
436
00:16:18,215 --> 00:16:20,176
But why did he think
the murders were connected?
437
00:16:20,176 --> 00:16:21,677
Well, for starters,
they were all stabbed
438
00:16:21,677 --> 00:16:23,804
in the chest,
but more importantly,
439
00:16:23,804 --> 00:16:25,431
each victim was found
with a penny
440
00:16:25,431 --> 00:16:26,891
either in or on their person.
441
00:16:26,891 --> 00:16:28,225
What do you mean "in"?
442
00:16:28,225 --> 00:16:30,352
One had a penny
in her stomach.
443
00:16:30,352 --> 00:16:32,521
Another had one
shoved up his nose.
444
00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:33,856
Stella Brown lucked out.
445
00:16:33,856 --> 00:16:35,774
Hers was just
clasped in her hand.
446
00:16:35,774 --> 00:16:38,277
And when we re-examined
Marcus Ford's corpse,
447
00:16:38,277 --> 00:16:41,655
the ME found one inserted into
the heel of his left foot.
448
00:16:41,655 --> 00:16:43,365
Why?
449
00:16:43,365 --> 00:16:45,659
Did we mention that
they were all minted in 1930?
450
00:16:45,659 --> 00:16:47,912
OK.
Well, I just got goosebumps.
451
00:16:47,912 --> 00:16:50,122
Rich's autopsy also revealed
that he had swallowed
452
00:16:50,122 --> 00:16:52,249
close to 50 pennies
before he died.
453
00:16:52,249 --> 00:16:53,501
Gross.
454
00:16:53,501 --> 00:16:55,211
So at this point,
was your theory--
455
00:16:55,211 --> 00:16:57,087
I actually have no idea what
their theory would have been.
456
00:16:57,087 --> 00:16:59,757
Yeah, well, I would tell you,
but we were way off the mark,
457
00:16:59,757 --> 00:17:01,967
which we were about to discover
458
00:17:01,967 --> 00:17:04,762
when we got access
to his cloud account.
459
00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:07,389
OK.
460
00:17:07,389 --> 00:17:09,975
I may have finally found it.
461
00:17:09,975 --> 00:17:12,728
I am so close to getting
some real answers.
462
00:17:14,939 --> 00:17:17,066
See that?
463
00:17:24,114 --> 00:17:30,871
♪ ♪
464
00:17:30,871 --> 00:17:33,374
Oh, whoa.
465
00:17:33,374 --> 00:17:34,375
Ha!
466
00:17:36,377 --> 00:17:38,420
Oh, my God.
No! No.
467
00:17:40,965 --> 00:17:43,384
- For a guypretending to be dead,
468
00:17:43,384 --> 00:17:45,261
breaking into a secure
military facility
469
00:17:45,261 --> 00:17:47,304
doesn't seem like
the best idea.
470
00:17:47,304 --> 00:17:50,975
Well, he wasn't just breaking
into any military facility.
471
00:17:50,975 --> 00:17:52,434
It was Area 67.
472
00:17:52,434 --> 00:17:53,727
What does that mean?
473
00:17:53,727 --> 00:17:56,438
That's where the government
keeps the aliens.
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00:17:56,438 --> 00:18:00,234
♪ ♪
475
00:18:04,697 --> 00:18:05,573
So Rich broke into
a secret government base
476
00:18:05,573 --> 00:18:07,449
on the hunt for
a massive conspiracy,
477
00:18:07,449 --> 00:18:08,951
then stabbed himself
in the chest?
478
00:18:08,951 --> 00:18:10,536
I mean, at that point,
it's obvious what happened.
479
00:18:10,536 --> 00:18:12,454
- Is it?
- Come on.
480
00:18:12,454 --> 00:18:14,540
Remember what Rich said
right before he died?
481
00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:16,125
I can't die.
482
00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:17,084
It's inside of me.
483
00:18:17,084 --> 00:18:18,836
It won't let me die.
484
00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,254
Yeah, I'm not following.
485
00:18:20,254 --> 00:18:23,007
Rich was exposed
to an alien parasite.
486
00:18:23,007 --> 00:18:25,551
It was inside him.
487
00:18:25,551 --> 00:18:28,095
Were you familiar
with Area 67?
488
00:18:28,095 --> 00:18:29,888
I'd heard of it.
Yeah.
489
00:18:29,888 --> 00:18:32,600
There's this AM radio station
I used to listen to
490
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,226
back in Foxburg.
491
00:18:34,226 --> 00:18:35,853
Kept me awake when
I was working late.
492
00:18:35,853 --> 00:18:38,689
The host was obsessed
with UFOs.
493
00:18:38,689 --> 00:18:40,900
- "Val's Velvet Bunker"?
- That's the one.
494
00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,194
He was a little bit out there,
but always entertaining.
495
00:18:44,194 --> 00:18:47,573
{\an8}Area 51 is theater.
496
00:18:47,573 --> 00:18:49,283
{\an8}Do you believe?
497
00:18:49,283 --> 00:18:52,119
Do you really believethe most secretive
498
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,747
military installationin the world would let itself
499
00:18:54,747 --> 00:18:56,749
become a tourist attraction?
500
00:18:56,749 --> 00:18:58,042
No, no, no, no.
501
00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:00,711
Area 51 is the distraction.
502
00:19:00,711 --> 00:19:03,672
Area 67 is the real deal.
503
00:19:03,672 --> 00:19:06,216
You know why Californiahas all those earthquakes?
504
00:19:06,216 --> 00:19:08,969
It's not the San AndreasFault, my friends.
505
00:19:08,969 --> 00:19:12,139
It's the sonic resonancefrom Area 67's
506
00:19:12,139 --> 00:19:13,974
underground testing chambers.
507
00:19:13,974 --> 00:19:15,893
Did you believe
in his theories?
508
00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:17,311
No, no.
509
00:19:17,311 --> 00:19:19,104
Like I said,
just entertainment.
510
00:19:19,104 --> 00:19:20,064
Let's hear from a caller.
511
00:19:20,064 --> 00:19:21,815
{\an8}Hi, name's John.
512
00:19:21,815 --> 00:19:22,983
{\an8}Longtime listener,fourth-time caller.
513
00:19:22,983 --> 00:19:25,653
- Hey, John from Foxburg.Welcome back.
514
00:19:25,653 --> 00:19:26,779
What have you gotfor us tonight?
515
00:19:26,779 --> 00:19:29,365
- I swear to GodI just saw a UFO.
516
00:19:31,659 --> 00:19:34,745
John is such a common name.
517
00:19:34,745 --> 00:19:37,373
I'm open to the possibility
of extraterrestrial life.
518
00:19:37,373 --> 00:19:38,666
{\an8}- You are?
Yeah.
519
00:19:38,666 --> 00:19:40,292
{\an8}I mean, it's a big universe.
520
00:19:40,292 --> 00:19:42,336
{\an8}- Anything could be out there.
I don't know.
521
00:19:42,336 --> 00:19:45,172
People who claim to have seen
aliens tend to be a little off.
522
00:19:45,172 --> 00:19:46,965
You were friends
with a corpse, right?
523
00:19:46,965 --> 00:19:48,342
Well, yeah,
we were more than friends,
524
00:19:48,342 --> 00:19:49,969
but fair enough.
OK.
525
00:19:49,969 --> 00:19:52,388
Legally, is it necrophilia
526
00:19:52,388 --> 00:19:53,972
if she only did
over the clothes stuff?
527
00:19:53,972 --> 00:19:56,475
- That's a great question.
- Oh, I definitely believe.
528
00:19:56,475 --> 00:19:58,268
In fact,
529
00:19:58,268 --> 00:20:00,521
I've been abducted by aliens.
530
00:20:00,521 --> 00:20:02,898
- Really?
- Multiple times.
531
00:20:02,898 --> 00:20:06,318
Apparently,
I'm a fascinating subject.
532
00:20:06,318 --> 00:20:09,530
I remember the last time
Smitty was "abducted."
533
00:20:09,530 --> 00:20:11,198
Turns out he partied
too hard in Vegas
534
00:20:11,198 --> 00:20:12,825
and woke up in Wisconsin.
535
00:20:12,825 --> 00:20:14,576
Missing time,
536
00:20:14,576 --> 00:20:17,538
one of the hallmarks
of alien abductions.
537
00:20:17,538 --> 00:20:19,665
- And binge drinking.
- Point is,
538
00:20:19,665 --> 00:20:22,334
the government
had little gray men
539
00:20:22,334 --> 00:20:24,753
in their secret labs
for decades.
540
00:20:24,753 --> 00:20:26,547
What are they
doing with them?
541
00:20:26,547 --> 00:20:29,174
They're implanting the aliens
in unsuspecting hosts
542
00:20:29,174 --> 00:20:30,801
and taking over their bodies.
543
00:20:30,801 --> 00:20:34,388
You just never know
who might be one of them.
544
00:20:36,015 --> 00:20:38,892
{\an8}- Some people in the station
believed Rich stabbed himself
545
00:20:38,892 --> 00:20:40,853
{\an8}to kill an alien parasite,
546
00:20:40,853 --> 00:20:42,354
but I wouldn't say
547
00:20:42,354 --> 00:20:44,314
that was a dominant theory.
548
00:20:44,314 --> 00:20:45,858
It wasn't long before
we figured out
549
00:20:45,858 --> 00:20:48,318
Rich believed something darker,
550
00:20:48,318 --> 00:20:50,738
and it was connected
to the seven murders.
551
00:20:50,738 --> 00:20:52,364
Then why did Rich break
into the army base?
552
00:20:52,364 --> 00:20:54,992
{\an8}Yes, I remember the incident.
553
00:20:54,992 --> 00:20:56,452
{\an8}Rich Rowley
cut through a fence.
554
00:20:56,452 --> 00:20:58,620
{\an8}He trespassed on
government property.
555
00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:01,331
He was promptly apprehended
and sent on his way.
556
00:21:01,331 --> 00:21:03,876
Do you have any idea
what Rich was looking for?
557
00:21:03,876 --> 00:21:06,670
Uh, as it turns out,
he was looking for me.
558
00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:09,882
But not because of
any alleged aliens.
559
00:21:09,882 --> 00:21:12,301
So why did he come?
560
00:21:12,301 --> 00:21:15,262
Uh, this part is a--
561
00:21:15,262 --> 00:21:17,973
is a little bit embarrassing.
Um...
562
00:21:17,973 --> 00:21:20,267
before I found my calling
in the military,
563
00:21:20,267 --> 00:21:23,020
I thought that
I wanted to be an actor,
564
00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,981
and I was in a few DTV movies.
565
00:21:25,981 --> 00:21:27,107
What's DTV?
566
00:21:27,107 --> 00:21:28,233
You're so young.
567
00:21:28,233 --> 00:21:29,693
Uh, direct to video.
568
00:21:29,693 --> 00:21:32,029
They made all these
super cheap movies
569
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:33,822
back in the '80s and '90s.
570
00:21:33,822 --> 00:21:35,365
You make them as cheaplyas possible
571
00:21:35,365 --> 00:21:37,409
and then hope that someonewas drawn in enough
572
00:21:37,409 --> 00:21:39,828
{\an8}by the cover art to rent them.
573
00:21:39,828 --> 00:21:42,414
{\an8}- A guy can't have a side gig?
Totally.
574
00:21:42,414 --> 00:21:43,999
How did you get into acting?
575
00:21:43,999 --> 00:21:46,543
{\an8}- Some director scouted me
when I pulled him over.
576
00:21:46,543 --> 00:21:49,338
{\an8}He said I had a bitchin' bod.
577
00:21:49,338 --> 00:21:51,006
Well, he wasn't wrong.
578
00:21:51,006 --> 00:21:53,884
But I gave it up 'cause
the people of this city
579
00:21:53,884 --> 00:21:55,969
- needed a savior.
- Mm.
580
00:21:55,969 --> 00:21:58,222
Yeah, you are the model
of public service.
581
00:21:58,222 --> 00:22:00,057
Right.
582
00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:03,102
Anyway, Rich became
interested in this terrible
583
00:22:03,102 --> 00:22:06,313
B movie that I was in.
I played a monk.
584
00:22:06,313 --> 00:22:08,857
It was called
"300 Days of Hell."
585
00:22:10,859 --> 00:22:13,112
{\an8}
586
00:22:13,112 --> 00:22:14,988
Terrible B movie,
that's what he called it?
587
00:22:14,988 --> 00:22:17,366
"300 Days of Hell" is the
scariest film of the 1990s.
588
00:22:17,366 --> 00:22:18,951
Really?
589
00:22:18,951 --> 00:22:20,911
"The Ring", "Scream,"
"Blair Witch Project"?
590
00:22:20,911 --> 00:22:22,871
Which one of us executive
produced a horror movie?
591
00:22:22,871 --> 00:22:25,124
Trust me, "THDOH"
592
00:22:25,124 --> 00:22:27,126
is true nightmare fuel.
593
00:22:27,126 --> 00:22:29,211
It's not that scary.
594
00:22:29,211 --> 00:22:31,755
She made me watch it at the
beginning of our relationship.
595
00:22:31,755 --> 00:22:34,633
When he was still
trying to impress me.
596
00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:36,760
You wanna watch it
again tonight?
597
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,513
I would.
Totally.
598
00:22:39,513 --> 00:22:42,516
I do have plans, though.
599
00:22:42,516 --> 00:22:44,101
Yeah I'm not watching
that crap,
600
00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:45,811
even if it is for a case.
601
00:22:45,811 --> 00:22:48,063
I see enough horror on the job.
602
00:22:48,063 --> 00:22:51,108
That being said,
"300 Days of Hell"
603
00:22:51,108 --> 00:22:53,110
was our first real window
into the rabbit hole
604
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:54,528
that Rich had gone down.
605
00:22:54,528 --> 00:22:56,071
A rabbit hole filled
with demons--
606
00:22:56,071 --> 00:22:58,991
or rather, a demon.
607
00:22:58,991 --> 00:23:00,701
So Rich believed a demon
had killed all those people?
608
00:23:00,701 --> 00:23:02,411
No, the killers
were definitely human.
609
00:23:02,411 --> 00:23:04,204
- Killers, plural?
- Yeah.
610
00:23:04,204 --> 00:23:06,665
There was different trace DNA
on all the bodies,
611
00:23:06,665 --> 00:23:08,792
all from different subjects,
and none of them
612
00:23:08,792 --> 00:23:11,211
- were in the system.
- Meaning?
613
00:23:11,211 --> 00:23:12,462
The murders were committed
by a group of people
614
00:23:12,462 --> 00:23:14,548
with shared beliefs.
615
00:23:14,548 --> 00:23:15,757
A murder cult?
616
00:23:15,757 --> 00:23:18,218
The cult believed a demon
named Malaphus
617
00:23:18,218 --> 00:23:20,554
had been possessing people
all across the city,
618
00:23:20,554 --> 00:23:24,516
jumping from host to host, and
it was up to them to stop it.
619
00:23:24,516 --> 00:23:27,311
{\an8}
620
00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:35,152
{\an8}- The legend of Malaphus
is centuries old.
621
00:23:35,152 --> 00:23:38,363
{\an8}The first mention we see of him
is 1433's
622
00:23:38,363 --> 00:23:40,574
"Lesser Grimoire of Solomon"
623
00:23:40,574 --> 00:23:44,161
by Slovenian inquisitor
Terentius Bruma,
624
00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:48,290
a reference text of demons
and their attributes.
625
00:23:48,290 --> 00:23:50,417
- Gnarly.
- Right?
626
00:23:50,417 --> 00:23:53,420
He's also known as
the Deceiver, the Infestor,
627
00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:56,006
and Demon of 300 days.
Why?
628
00:23:56,006 --> 00:23:58,342
Once summoned to Earth,
Malaphus won't rest
629
00:23:58,342 --> 00:24:00,135
until he finds a human host.
630
00:24:00,135 --> 00:24:03,055
After possession begins,
he incubates
631
00:24:03,055 --> 00:24:05,265
300 days.
632
00:24:05,265 --> 00:24:06,808
What happens after 300 days?
633
00:24:06,808 --> 00:24:08,602
He reaches full strength,
634
00:24:08,602 --> 00:24:11,897
and his power
becomes uncontainable.
635
00:24:11,897 --> 00:24:13,273
Uh-oh.
636
00:24:14,650 --> 00:24:16,902
Um, if Malaphus
was summoned to Earth,
637
00:24:16,902 --> 00:24:18,528
how would one stop him?
638
00:24:18,528 --> 00:24:21,907
Bruma suggests killing the
host might slow Malaphus down,
639
00:24:21,907 --> 00:24:25,619
forcing him to regenerate
before he can find a new host,
640
00:24:25,619 --> 00:24:28,413
a process
that also can be slowed
641
00:24:28,413 --> 00:24:30,916
by the use of copper.
642
00:24:30,916 --> 00:24:33,585
- It was the pennies.
- The pennies.
643
00:24:33,585 --> 00:24:35,128
It all came back
to the pennies.
644
00:24:35,128 --> 00:24:38,715
Before 1984,
U.S. pennies were 95% copper.
645
00:24:38,715 --> 00:24:41,260
So the copper in the pennies
was meant to bind the demon,
646
00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:42,594
but what about the 1930 part?
647
00:24:42,594 --> 00:24:45,430
Uh, are you familiar
with numerology?
648
00:24:46,974 --> 00:24:49,685
Some ancient peoples--
and Taylor Swift--
649
00:24:49,685 --> 00:24:52,688
believed there was
a mystical connection
650
00:24:52,688 --> 00:24:55,482
between letters and numbers.
651
00:24:55,482 --> 00:24:57,651
Using the Chaldean method,
the name Malaphus
652
00:24:57,651 --> 00:24:59,736
becomes a digit, 1930.
653
00:24:59,736 --> 00:25:02,280
- So you're saying--
- We had a theory.
654
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,908
Whoever killed those people
believed the victims
655
00:25:04,908 --> 00:25:07,077
were possessed by Malaphus.
656
00:25:07,077 --> 00:25:10,831
They had to reach
Malaphus's host before
657
00:25:10,831 --> 00:25:12,541
he reached his true form.
658
00:25:12,541 --> 00:25:14,042
A 1930 penny was
the perfect tool.
659
00:25:14,042 --> 00:25:16,628
Yeah, Rich's talk of,
"it's inside me,
660
00:25:16,628 --> 00:25:18,964
it won't let me die,"
he thought he was infested
661
00:25:18,964 --> 00:25:20,382
by this demon, too,
662
00:25:20,382 --> 00:25:21,925
and that's why
he killed himself.
663
00:25:21,925 --> 00:25:23,427
Wait.
664
00:25:23,427 --> 00:25:24,845
I thought Rich didn't
believe in Malaphus.
665
00:25:24,845 --> 00:25:27,139
Isn't that why he was
trying to stop the cult?
666
00:25:27,139 --> 00:25:29,391
Well, yes, but, I mean,
years of obsession and paranoia
667
00:25:29,391 --> 00:25:31,351
can do a number
on a person's psyche.
668
00:25:31,351 --> 00:25:32,477
I mean, it seems as though,
in the end,
669
00:25:32,477 --> 00:25:34,146
Rich could no longer
distinguish
670
00:25:34,146 --> 00:25:35,772
fantasy from reality.
671
00:25:35,772 --> 00:25:37,524
And you got this theory
from Rich's files?
672
00:25:37,524 --> 00:25:39,568
Well, I mean,
we actually got it from Lopez.
673
00:25:39,568 --> 00:25:42,154
And they say watching
old horror movies
674
00:25:42,154 --> 00:25:44,448
isn't a good use of time.
675
00:25:44,448 --> 00:25:46,700
I never said that.
676
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,703
{\an8}
677
00:25:49,703 --> 00:25:53,915
{\an8}♪ ♪
678
00:25:53,915 --> 00:25:56,126
Are we safe, brother?
679
00:25:56,126 --> 00:25:58,128
Is Malaphus banished?
680
00:25:58,128 --> 00:25:59,880
His sigil is drawn.
681
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,798
The rite is spoken.
682
00:26:01,798 --> 00:26:05,802
We have sealed his last
human vessel with copper.
683
00:26:08,764 --> 00:26:12,225
♪ ♪
684
00:26:12,225 --> 00:26:14,019
Heaven forgive us.
685
00:26:14,019 --> 00:26:15,979
Indeed.
686
00:26:15,979 --> 00:26:18,023
For hell will not.
687
00:26:19,191 --> 00:26:21,401
Midnight,
688
00:26:21,401 --> 00:26:24,446
the 300th day.
689
00:26:24,446 --> 00:26:27,074
Our task was done
none too soon.
690
00:26:30,994 --> 00:26:32,829
♪ ♪
691
00:26:36,083 --> 00:26:39,461
♪ ♪
692
00:26:42,255 --> 00:26:44,674
♪ ♪
693
00:26:47,969 --> 00:26:53,350
♪ ♪
694
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:55,394
-
- Yeah, that was me.
695
00:26:57,771 --> 00:26:59,564
- Do you guys want a glass?
- No, I'm good.
696
00:26:59,564 --> 00:27:02,067
Oh, you got
anything stronger?
697
00:27:02,067 --> 00:27:04,611
Fine.
I'll just take a glass.
698
00:27:04,611 --> 00:27:06,655
OK, I'll, just--
I'll have nothing, actually.
699
00:27:06,655 --> 00:27:08,448
No fun for me.
700
00:27:08,448 --> 00:27:12,244
Yeah, that was
my first big movie role.
701
00:27:12,244 --> 00:27:15,914
Well, my only one, really.
702
00:27:15,914 --> 00:27:18,792
Rich was so excited
when I told him I booked it.
703
00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:20,752
He helped me run lines.
704
00:27:20,752 --> 00:27:22,337
Did Rich buy in
to the Malaphus mythology?
705
00:27:22,337 --> 00:27:24,005
No.
706
00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:26,007
Weirdly, given all
the conspiracies that Rich
707
00:27:26,007 --> 00:27:29,177
believed in,
he was a total atheist.
708
00:27:29,177 --> 00:27:31,096
But I wouldn't have
blamed him after everything
709
00:27:31,096 --> 00:27:32,639
that happened on that shoot.
710
00:27:32,639 --> 00:27:34,349
Like what?
711
00:27:35,642 --> 00:27:37,561
Before production wrapped,
712
00:27:37,561 --> 00:27:39,563
the DP was paralyzed
driving to set.
713
00:27:39,563 --> 00:27:42,107
A stunt person had
his leg amputated.
714
00:27:42,107 --> 00:27:43,984
There were divorces,
bankruptcies.
715
00:27:43,984 --> 00:27:45,527
Careers ended.
716
00:27:45,527 --> 00:27:49,573
One of the actors even died
in his hotel room.
717
00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:51,533
People say the production
was cursed.
718
00:27:51,533 --> 00:27:53,952
What about you?
What do you believe?
719
00:27:53,952 --> 00:27:58,248
I believe the real curse
was the director.
720
00:27:58,248 --> 00:28:01,168
He was a reckless maniac that
didn't know how to run a set.
721
00:28:01,168 --> 00:28:03,753
Cut.
Cut!
722
00:28:03,753 --> 00:28:06,131
{\an8}Arthur! Arthur!
723
00:28:06,131 --> 00:28:10,010
{\an8}Your strangulation,
it has to be real.
724
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:12,179
I wanna feel the life
draining from him.
725
00:28:12,179 --> 00:28:15,891
You, you--you cannot move
from your position,
726
00:28:15,891 --> 00:28:17,601
Not even an inch.
727
00:28:17,601 --> 00:28:21,855
Guys, this ritual is
extremely specific.
728
00:28:21,855 --> 00:28:23,940
OK?
Let's go again.
729
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:25,525
OK, I thought I was
choking you pretty well.
730
00:28:25,525 --> 00:28:26,985
I'm sorry.
731
00:28:26,985 --> 00:28:27,819
OK, I'm gonna choke you
a little harder.
732
00:28:27,819 --> 00:28:29,613
Ready?
733
00:28:29,613 --> 00:28:31,615
Douglas was real touchy
about the religious stuff.
734
00:28:31,615 --> 00:28:33,909
I guess he had grown up
in some sort of commune,
735
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:36,828
and this was all based on
stories he was told growing up.
736
00:28:36,828 --> 00:28:39,247
OK, but what I heard
is that they accidentally
737
00:28:39,247 --> 00:28:41,166
summoned Malaphus for real.
738
00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:42,876
The director found
some ancient tome
739
00:28:42,876 --> 00:28:46,254
and inserted the incantation
and rituals verbatim.
740
00:28:46,254 --> 00:28:47,631
Ooh, I love that.
741
00:28:47,631 --> 00:28:49,132
And that's
what got me thinking
742
00:28:49,132 --> 00:28:50,842
about the penny killings.
743
00:28:50,842 --> 00:28:53,762
We found the first victim
just a little under 300 days
744
00:28:53,762 --> 00:28:55,805
after the summoning ritual
was filmed.
745
00:28:55,805 --> 00:28:58,099
We knew Rich was aware
of the Malaphus legends.
746
00:28:58,099 --> 00:29:00,018
It was only natural
to link them.
747
00:29:00,018 --> 00:29:02,145
So Rich thought the penny
victims were killed by people
748
00:29:02,145 --> 00:29:03,939
trying to stop Malaphus.
749
00:29:03,939 --> 00:29:06,233
Was he able to identify
any of these killers?
750
00:29:06,233 --> 00:29:07,442
We know he tried.
751
00:29:08,818 --> 00:29:10,487
- Hi.
- Hey. How are you?
752
00:29:10,487 --> 00:29:12,864
- Jared.
- Hello. Wow.
753
00:29:12,864 --> 00:29:15,492
Um, it's a--it's a pleasure
to meet you, gentlemen.
754
00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:16,910
Pleasure to meet you too.
755
00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:18,411
Why don't you tell us
about yourselves?
756
00:29:18,411 --> 00:29:23,041
{\an8}- Yeah, we, uh, co-starredon a TV show together
757
00:29:23,041 --> 00:29:25,418
for 15 seasons
758
00:29:25,418 --> 00:29:27,170
called "Supernatural."
759
00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,339
Yeah, we played Sam
and Dean Winchester,
760
00:29:29,339 --> 00:29:33,176
brothers that, you know,
tracked and fought
761
00:29:33,176 --> 00:29:35,136
supernatural beings.
762
00:29:35,136 --> 00:29:36,805
- Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters."
- No.
763
00:29:36,805 --> 00:29:38,098
No, not like that.
764
00:29:38,098 --> 00:29:39,933
I mean, kind of like that.
765
00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:41,142
- No.- Yeah.
766
00:29:41,142 --> 00:29:43,478
OK, can you tell us
about your encounter
767
00:29:43,478 --> 00:29:45,272
- with Rich Rowley?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
768
00:29:45,272 --> 00:29:46,982
Rich Rowley.
769
00:29:46,982 --> 00:29:51,653
He came to a fan event we did
last year at MonsterCon.
770
00:29:51,653 --> 00:29:53,113
Yeah, you know,
most people show up,
771
00:29:53,113 --> 00:29:57,325
and they just want
an autograph or a photo.
772
00:29:57,325 --> 00:30:00,912
But Rich was a bit of
a different beast altogether.
773
00:30:00,912 --> 00:30:03,123
Yeah, yeah,
he was--he was super
774
00:30:03,123 --> 00:30:05,292
fixated on this one
particular episode
775
00:30:05,292 --> 00:30:07,669
- where we fought a demon.
- Malaphus.
776
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:09,838
Yeah, uh, that one.
777
00:30:09,838 --> 00:30:14,384
Anyway he seemed to think
we, like, knew more
778
00:30:14,384 --> 00:30:16,219
about it than we were saying.
779
00:30:16,219 --> 00:30:16,970
More about what?
780
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:18,847
Demon hunting.
781
00:30:18,847 --> 00:30:21,933
He kept, like, asking these
super pointed questions,
782
00:30:21,933 --> 00:30:24,144
like--like he was,
I don't know,
783
00:30:24,144 --> 00:30:25,312
testing us or something.
784
00:30:25,312 --> 00:30:27,522
- Did you have an answer?
- No.
785
00:30:27,522 --> 00:30:28,815
No, I mean, we didn't--
786
00:30:28,815 --> 00:30:30,442
we didn't come up
with these stories.
787
00:30:30,442 --> 00:30:32,110
You know, we just did
what the writers wrote.
788
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:33,653
It's called acting.
789
00:30:33,653 --> 00:30:35,864
There's no actualdemon hunters in real life.
790
00:30:35,864 --> 00:30:37,032
Exactly.
791
00:30:37,032 --> 00:30:38,950
Uh, that's not exactly true.
792
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:41,119
There is at least one.
793
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,956
And it actually connected
to the movie.
794
00:30:44,956 --> 00:30:46,916
We heard the directorbrought a priest named
795
00:30:46,916 --> 00:30:48,960
Father Simon McCabe
to bless the set
796
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,295
every day before filming.
797
00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:51,921
Well, it was either that
or the whole crew
798
00:30:51,921 --> 00:30:53,506
was going to walk.
799
00:30:53,506 --> 00:30:56,635
Does that name
mean anything to you?
800
00:30:56,635 --> 00:30:58,053
About 15 years ago.
801
00:30:58,053 --> 00:31:00,513
Lopez and I had just finished
our rookie years.
802
00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:02,849
We responded to a call
at a house.
803
00:31:02,849 --> 00:31:05,393
Priest doing an exorcism
with a 16-year-old girl.
804
00:31:05,393 --> 00:31:06,519
Had been going on
for three days.
805
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,356
Father, no.
806
00:31:09,356 --> 00:31:12,108
Police!
807
00:31:12,108 --> 00:31:13,735
Help her!
808
00:31:13,735 --> 00:31:15,945
Please!
809
00:31:21,368 --> 00:31:24,746
Get away from her!
810
00:31:24,746 --> 00:31:28,500
Father, forgive me.
811
00:31:36,841 --> 00:31:38,009
Did you feel like
you'd seen the devil?
812
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:39,219
The only thing in that room
that belonged in hell
813
00:31:39,219 --> 00:31:42,389
- was Father Simon.
- He kept saying he had to.
814
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:44,724
The whole way to the station,
"I'm sorry, I had to.
815
00:31:44,724 --> 00:31:46,226
I'm sorry, I had to."
816
00:31:46,226 --> 00:31:48,103
Because he believed
she was possessed?
817
00:31:48,103 --> 00:31:49,604
She had a brain tumor.
818
00:31:49,604 --> 00:31:52,148
That's what they found
after the autopsy.
819
00:31:52,148 --> 00:31:54,192
She needed a doctor,
not an exorcism.
820
00:31:54,192 --> 00:31:56,694
And he wasn't a man of God.
He was a killer.
821
00:31:56,694 --> 00:31:58,405
The courts agreed.
822
00:31:58,405 --> 00:32:01,324
So Father Simon was convicted
of first-degree murder.
823
00:32:01,324 --> 00:32:03,785
When we processed him,
we found a penny in his pocket.
824
00:32:03,785 --> 00:32:05,370
Nothing else, just a penny.
825
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:06,704
It didn't mean anything
at the time,
826
00:32:06,704 --> 00:32:08,748
but after Rich connected
those seven murders,
827
00:32:08,748 --> 00:32:10,667
it seemed likely
he was involved.
828
00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:12,585
Involved like,
he killed them?
829
00:32:12,585 --> 00:32:15,088
No, Simon was already
in prison when five
830
00:32:15,088 --> 00:32:17,549
of the murders took place,
and his DNA didn't match
831
00:32:17,549 --> 00:32:19,592
any that was found
on the corpses.
832
00:32:19,592 --> 00:32:21,761
But he could have been part
of whatever group
833
00:32:21,761 --> 00:32:23,638
Rich was so afraid of.
834
00:32:23,638 --> 00:32:25,890
Which means he knew more
than he had told us.
835
00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:28,268
So we had to go back.
836
00:32:28,268 --> 00:32:31,062
Officers, I remember you.
837
00:32:31,062 --> 00:32:32,897
You--you were the ones
who tried to stop the ritual.
838
00:32:32,897 --> 00:32:34,649
Just wish we would
have gotten here sooner.
839
00:32:34,649 --> 00:32:36,192
Becca Scott
might still be alive.
840
00:32:36,192 --> 00:32:38,653
Oh, she was long gone
before you arrived.
841
00:32:38,653 --> 00:32:41,072
- The demon saw to that.
- Malaphus?
842
00:32:41,072 --> 00:32:42,657
Shh.
843
00:32:42,657 --> 00:32:44,951
Do not say its name
in my presence.
844
00:32:44,951 --> 00:32:47,871
What, are you afraid we
might accidentally summon it?
845
00:32:47,871 --> 00:32:50,582
You may scorn me
and my beliefs,
846
00:32:50,582 --> 00:32:52,459
but I have fought this evil.
847
00:32:52,459 --> 00:32:54,627
I know enough
to fear its power.
848
00:32:54,627 --> 00:32:57,172
What's more evil
than murdering a child?
849
00:32:57,172 --> 00:32:59,632
I took no pleasure
in the act.
850
00:32:59,632 --> 00:33:01,342
I'm grateful I had the courage
to do what was necessary.
851
00:33:01,342 --> 00:33:02,927
Courage?
852
00:33:02,927 --> 00:33:05,513
Tell us about the penny
that was in your pocket.
853
00:33:05,513 --> 00:33:07,515
In the movie
"300 Days of Hell",
854
00:33:07,515 --> 00:33:09,601
Malaphus is sealed inside
his host with copper
855
00:33:09,601 --> 00:33:11,311
before he can be killed--
856
00:33:11,311 --> 00:33:13,396
Uh, banished, not killed.
857
00:33:13,396 --> 00:33:15,148
What's the difference?
858
00:33:15,148 --> 00:33:18,318
The demon is a parasite.
859
00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:19,861
It needs a host.
860
00:33:19,861 --> 00:33:21,654
Once you kill the body
that inhabits it,
861
00:33:21,654 --> 00:33:23,490
it'll find a new one.
862
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:27,327
Becca Scott was just a single
battle in a larger war.
863
00:33:27,327 --> 00:33:31,664
If you're in here,
who's doing the fighting now?
864
00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:33,958
The Knights of Avila.
865
00:33:33,958 --> 00:33:35,960
Los Angeles
has a long history
866
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,546
of spiritualism,
esoteric religions
867
00:33:38,546 --> 00:33:40,131
that go back over 100 years.
868
00:33:40,131 --> 00:33:43,009
So think Aleister Crowley,
Jack Parsons,
869
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:45,011
- L. Ron Hubbard.
- He freaking loves this stuff.
870
00:33:45,011 --> 00:33:46,596
I do.
871
00:33:46,596 --> 00:33:48,556
Anyway, a lot of these groups
started out
872
00:33:48,556 --> 00:33:51,267
as fraternal orders,
similar to the Freemasons,
873
00:33:51,267 --> 00:33:53,228
where people would gather
and--and--share--
874
00:33:53,228 --> 00:33:54,521
- Men.
- Well, yeah.
875
00:33:54,521 --> 00:33:56,981
Yes, and--
and some women.
876
00:33:56,981 --> 00:34:00,109
And they would share new ideas,
explore philosophies.
877
00:34:00,109 --> 00:34:03,196
They also liked partying,
doing drugs,
878
00:34:03,196 --> 00:34:05,782
and performing
weird sex rituals.
879
00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:08,409
Sign me up.
880
00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:11,788
For the intellectual exchanging
of ideas, obviously.
881
00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:13,206
So the Knights of Avila
is one of these groups?
882
00:34:13,206 --> 00:34:14,958
It was.
883
00:34:14,958 --> 00:34:16,584
Like a lot of the similar
organizations at the time,
884
00:34:16,584 --> 00:34:18,127
it fell apart
when the founder died.
885
00:34:18,127 --> 00:34:19,212
It hasn't been active in--
886
00:34:19,212 --> 00:34:20,922
60 years?
887
00:34:20,922 --> 00:34:22,841
Then what was
Father Simon talking about?
888
00:34:22,841 --> 00:34:25,843
Based on Tim and Lopez's
conversation with Father Simon,
889
00:34:25,843 --> 00:34:27,679
we began to believe
that the group,
890
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,139
or at least the name,
891
00:34:30,139 --> 00:34:32,642
had been revived
sometime in the late '90s
892
00:34:32,642 --> 00:34:35,520
to the early 2000s
and re-branded
893
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,439
as some kind of
demon hunting cult.
894
00:34:38,439 --> 00:34:40,775
So Rich was actually right.
895
00:34:40,775 --> 00:34:42,944
There was a murderous cabal
after him.
896
00:34:42,944 --> 00:34:44,237
It seemed that way,
897
00:34:44,237 --> 00:34:46,364
and we were getting close
898
00:34:46,364 --> 00:34:48,575
to discovering
who their ringleader was.
899
00:34:48,575 --> 00:34:51,494
-
- I found him.
900
00:34:51,494 --> 00:34:53,746
- Found who?
- Doug Roberts.
901
00:34:53,746 --> 00:34:55,790
I wanna feel
the life draining from him!
902
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:57,417
Oh, you mean the director
of the sad little demon porn?
903
00:34:57,417 --> 00:34:58,793
Where?
904
00:34:58,793 --> 00:35:00,378
I was going through
some old industry trades
905
00:35:00,378 --> 00:35:02,922
from around the time "THDOH"
was slated to come out.
906
00:35:02,922 --> 00:35:05,133
One of the articles
mentioned that Roberts
907
00:35:05,133 --> 00:35:06,301
was a client
of Stewart Winecliff
908
00:35:06,301 --> 00:35:07,927
at the Golden Talent Agency.
909
00:35:07,927 --> 00:35:09,554
The guy hasn't made
a movie in 26 years.
910
00:35:09,554 --> 00:35:10,847
I doubt they still rep him.
911
00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:12,807
Not actively, no.
912
00:35:12,807 --> 00:35:14,684
But I called their offices,
and I bribed--
913
00:35:14,684 --> 00:35:16,853
or like, I talked one of
the assistants into giving me
914
00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:18,563
the address where
his residual checks are sent.
915
00:35:18,563 --> 00:35:20,148
It's downtown.
Let's go.
916
00:35:20,148 --> 00:35:21,858
Uh, hold on.
917
00:35:21,858 --> 00:35:23,318
You just wanna go
doorstep the guy?
918
00:35:23,318 --> 00:35:24,569
If that means
go knock on a door
919
00:35:24,569 --> 00:35:26,195
while also filming, then yes.
920
00:35:26,195 --> 00:35:28,406
Yeah, I'm not in the business
of gotcha journalism.
921
00:35:28,406 --> 00:35:31,492
What about the business
of making that paper?
922
00:35:31,492 --> 00:35:32,994
The guap?
923
00:35:32,994 --> 00:35:34,871
Money, guy.
924
00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:37,123
Come on, the doc business
is over-saturated these days.
925
00:35:37,123 --> 00:35:39,667
We need footage
that P-O-Ps,
926
00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:41,127
and what pops more
than blindsiding
927
00:35:41,127 --> 00:35:43,630
a potential cult leader?
928
00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:44,672
Come on.
929
00:35:44,672 --> 00:35:46,299
What's the worst
that could happen?
930
00:35:47,842 --> 00:35:50,470
- This is it.
- OK.
931
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:52,305
Um, here.
Here's your camera.
932
00:35:52,305 --> 00:35:54,182
Um, I don't operate.
933
00:35:54,182 --> 00:35:55,266
Oh, well.
934
00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:58,061
♪ ♪
935
00:35:58,061 --> 00:36:01,606
Now, you do.
936
00:36:01,606 --> 00:36:03,900
Let's go.
937
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,486
- What floor is it on?
- Eight.
938
00:36:06,486 --> 00:36:08,905
But there's an elevator.
Don't worry.
939
00:36:14,786 --> 00:36:17,956
- Are you sure it's that way?
- Yep.
940
00:36:17,956 --> 00:36:19,582
Nope.
941
00:36:19,582 --> 00:36:23,002
You know, at the risk of
being called a scaredy cat,
942
00:36:23,002 --> 00:36:25,004
you do understand
that this is inherently
943
00:36:25,004 --> 00:36:27,548
neither a wise
nor safe activity?
944
00:36:27,548 --> 00:36:29,759
You're asking a woman
if she understands
945
00:36:29,759 --> 00:36:33,388
that it's inherently dangerous
to go anywhere or do anything?
946
00:36:33,388 --> 00:36:36,265
When you put it that way,
I sound like an ass.
947
00:36:36,265 --> 00:36:37,350
Yeah.
948
00:36:39,977 --> 00:36:41,521
Maybe we should come back?
949
00:36:41,521 --> 00:36:43,940
Hey. Hello.
950
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:45,692
Douglas Roberts,
we're here to question you
951
00:36:45,692 --> 00:36:47,902
about murders and demons.
952
00:36:47,902 --> 00:36:50,154
That should get his attention.
953
00:36:50,154 --> 00:36:51,781
Oh.
954
00:36:51,781 --> 00:36:54,158
I am just an intern.
955
00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:02,625
So clearly we're not
deceased, which means--
956
00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:04,210
We saved you
from certain death.
957
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:05,628
I'm not sure
how certain it was, right?
958
00:37:05,628 --> 00:37:07,255
Oh, it felt
pretty certain to me.
959
00:37:07,255 --> 00:37:08,673
Please don't kill us.
960
00:37:08,673 --> 00:37:10,174
We will join your cult.
Is there a membership fee
961
00:37:10,174 --> 00:37:11,801
or a secret handshake?
962
00:37:11,801 --> 00:37:13,052
- I love a secret handshake.
- Ignore her.
963
00:37:13,052 --> 00:37:14,554
She's not right in the head.
964
00:37:14,554 --> 00:37:16,347
In fact, she has
short-term memory issues.
965
00:37:16,347 --> 00:37:18,141
So if you let her go now,
she won't remember any of this.
966
00:37:18,141 --> 00:37:19,934
Just shut up.
No one's going anywhere.
967
00:37:19,934 --> 00:37:21,185
I mean, technically,
we're all going somewhere.
968
00:37:25,773 --> 00:37:28,192
All right, let them go.
Put your hands up.
969
00:37:28,192 --> 00:37:31,821
{\an8}Up against the Jeep, now.
Let's go.
970
00:37:34,824 --> 00:37:36,617
♪ ♪
971
00:37:36,617 --> 00:37:38,870
Oh, hey.
972
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:41,456
Thanks for trying to save me,
even though
973
00:37:41,456 --> 00:37:43,249
I'm the one
who put us in danger.
974
00:37:43,249 --> 00:37:44,959
No problem.
975
00:37:44,959 --> 00:37:46,961
I was about to do
the same thing, but you just
976
00:37:46,961 --> 00:37:48,504
beat me to it.
977
00:37:48,504 --> 00:37:50,715
- I can be noble, too.
- No doubt.
978
00:37:50,715 --> 00:37:52,925
Uh,
I get very claustrophobic.
979
00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:55,011
Can I just point out how
claustrophobic I get, please?
980
00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:57,430
So when did you
and Douglas meet?
981
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:58,765
In the movie.
982
00:37:58,765 --> 00:38:02,518
He was, you know,
so commanding and driven
983
00:38:02,518 --> 00:38:04,395
and everything I wasn't.
984
00:38:04,395 --> 00:38:06,564
When did he start talking
about killing the demon?
985
00:38:06,564 --> 00:38:08,858
It was, uh, at least
a year after that.
986
00:38:08,858 --> 00:38:11,527
He would call me late at night
987
00:38:11,527 --> 00:38:13,613
and talk about the demon
and how scared
988
00:38:13,613 --> 00:38:15,156
he was for the world,
989
00:38:15,156 --> 00:38:17,784
and eventually
it started to make sense.
990
00:38:17,784 --> 00:38:20,953
And he told you that
someone was possessed?
991
00:38:20,953 --> 00:38:22,914
Correct.
Her name was Cynthia.
992
00:38:22,914 --> 00:38:24,582
Um,
993
00:38:24,582 --> 00:38:27,460
she cried when I tied her up,
and she kept saying
994
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:29,879
that she was not a demon.
995
00:38:29,879 --> 00:38:31,672
She begged me
to believe her, and--
996
00:38:35,885 --> 00:38:39,097
At that point,
he was very deep in my head.
997
00:38:39,097 --> 00:38:41,516
And then tonight,
you know, all the lies
998
00:38:41,516 --> 00:38:43,684
he was spewing at the end,
999
00:38:43,684 --> 00:38:45,520
it was like somebody
turned on a light switch.
1000
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,147
I could just see him
for who he was.
1001
00:38:48,147 --> 00:38:49,732
So pathetic.
1002
00:38:52,735 --> 00:38:55,279
We'll need you to write up
a detailed confession.
1003
00:38:59,992 --> 00:39:01,744
I would like to make a deal.
1004
00:39:03,454 --> 00:39:06,040
Uh, we have already located
your co-conspirators.
1005
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,210
You don't really have
anything to offer.
1006
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:12,338
You don't want to know what
an alien spaceship looks like?
1007
00:39:14,006 --> 00:39:17,760
I am all that stands between
the world
1008
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,345
and damnation.
1009
00:39:19,345 --> 00:39:21,222
So all of the people
that you had targeted,
1010
00:39:21,222 --> 00:39:25,017
they had to die
for the greater good?
1011
00:39:25,017 --> 00:39:28,771
Yes, and my heart breaks
for each of them.
1012
00:39:28,771 --> 00:39:31,816
But I will not let innocents
fall to perdition.
1013
00:39:31,816 --> 00:39:33,943
OK, have you had
your fill of BS?
1014
00:39:33,943 --> 00:39:35,111
God, yes.
1015
00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:36,195
OK, me, too.
1016
00:39:36,195 --> 00:39:40,575
So, uh, first victim,
Cynthia Green.
1017
00:39:40,575 --> 00:39:42,827
You dated for two years
before she cheated on you.
1018
00:39:42,827 --> 00:39:45,788
Marcus Ford, he worked as
a teamster on your movie,
1019
00:39:45,788 --> 00:39:48,583
then later sued you
for nonpayment.
1020
00:39:48,583 --> 00:39:52,837
Pamela Jones wrote a scathing
review of your movie.
1021
00:39:52,837 --> 00:39:54,005
Really? I--
1022
00:39:54,005 --> 00:39:56,090
I had no idea.
1023
00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:59,468
All seven victims were people
who wronged you in some way.
1024
00:39:59,468 --> 00:40:01,345
You don't even believe
in the demon.
1025
00:40:01,345 --> 00:40:03,389
You just used it as a tool
to get people with weak minds
1026
00:40:03,389 --> 00:40:05,266
to do your dirty work for you.
1027
00:40:07,393 --> 00:40:09,187
Exactly.
1028
00:40:09,187 --> 00:40:10,813
I was the director.
1029
00:40:10,813 --> 00:40:13,107
I think you'll find
I never laid a finger
1030
00:40:13,107 --> 00:40:14,942
on any of the victims.
1031
00:40:14,942 --> 00:40:18,404
And I think you will find
that Manson died in prison.
1032
00:40:18,404 --> 00:40:20,573
♪ ♪
1033
00:40:20,573 --> 00:40:22,116
All right.
1034
00:40:22,116 --> 00:40:23,618
Uh, anything else?
1035
00:40:23,618 --> 00:40:25,536
No, I think
we got everything.
1036
00:40:25,536 --> 00:40:27,663
OK.
1037
00:40:27,663 --> 00:40:29,999
- That was a crazy one, huh?
- Tell me about it.
1038
00:40:29,999 --> 00:40:32,168
And look, thanks so much
for all of your time,
1039
00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:33,794
and for saving our lives.
1040
00:40:33,794 --> 00:40:35,338
Anything for
my favorite documentarian.
1041
00:40:35,338 --> 00:40:36,631
Actually, the only
documentarian I know.
1042
00:40:36,631 --> 00:40:37,715
Not true.
1043
00:40:37,715 --> 00:40:39,926
- I'm a documentarian too.
- Of course.
1044
00:40:39,926 --> 00:40:42,803
Yes--oh, speaking of,
how did this whole
1045
00:40:42,803 --> 00:40:44,805
working together thing go?
1046
00:40:44,805 --> 00:40:47,058
Is this the start of
a beautiful friendship?
1047
00:40:47,058 --> 00:40:48,768
I don't know.
1048
00:40:48,768 --> 00:40:50,478
I mean, we have
very different styles
1049
00:40:50,478 --> 00:40:52,980
and instincts and, well,
basically everything,
1050
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:55,441
but I'd be open
to another collaboration.
1051
00:40:57,610 --> 00:41:00,696
Oh, um, it's just I--
1052
00:41:00,696 --> 00:41:03,824
I kind of signed an exclusive
three-film deal with Hulu?
1053
00:41:03,824 --> 00:41:05,910
What?
1054
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:07,662
Yeah, I--I sent them
a sizzle reel of this project,
1055
00:41:07,662 --> 00:41:10,539
just the me parts,
and they freaked.
1056
00:41:10,539 --> 00:41:12,249
Said I'm gonna be
"the new face of true crime."
1057
00:41:12,249 --> 00:41:13,834
- Their words.
- Wow.
1058
00:41:13,834 --> 00:41:16,212
I mean, you'd probably be able
to bring him along,
1059
00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:17,255
though, right?
1060
00:41:17,255 --> 00:41:20,174
Oh, totally.
Totally.
1061
00:41:22,051 --> 00:41:25,763
I gotta go, but thanks again.
Hello.
1062
00:41:25,763 --> 00:41:28,432
No, I said Toronto
and then Cannes.
1063
00:41:30,393 --> 00:41:32,395
She'll probably call you.
1064
00:41:32,395 --> 00:41:33,396
No.
1065
00:41:33,396 --> 00:41:34,480
♪ ♪
1066
00:41:41,404 --> 00:41:48,452
♪ ♪
1067
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,476
Damn it.
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