1 00:00:02,949 --> 00:00:05,952 {\an8} 2 00:00:05,952 --> 00:00:08,955 {\an8} 3 00:00:08,955 --> 00:00:15,754 {\an8}♪ ♪ 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,300 7-Adam-15, we're code 6 at the 911 call location. 5 00:00:20,300 --> 00:00:22,010 Any further contact from the distressed individual? 6 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:23,345 Negative. 7 00:00:23,345 --> 00:00:24,888 Do you want me to start additional units? 8 00:00:24,888 --> 00:00:27,682 Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first. 9 00:00:27,682 --> 00:00:29,810 - You ready? - Do I have a choice? 10 00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:31,102 {\an8}That's the spirit. 11 00:00:32,896 --> 00:00:35,941 {\an8} 12 00:00:38,485 --> 00:00:39,945 LAPD. 13 00:00:39,945 --> 00:00:41,905 We've received a distress call from this location. 14 00:00:41,905 --> 00:00:44,491 We are making entry. 15 00:00:44,491 --> 00:00:46,493 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:46,493 --> 00:00:47,994 Ooh. 17 00:00:47,994 --> 00:00:51,331 ♪ ♪ 18 00:00:51,331 --> 00:00:53,708 Oh. Do you feel that? 19 00:00:53,708 --> 00:00:54,709 Feel what? 20 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:56,878 Ah, something evil's in here. 21 00:00:56,878 --> 00:00:58,672 Well, sure smells like it. 22 00:01:06,304 --> 00:01:09,933 - I can't die. 23 00:01:09,933 --> 00:01:14,396 Won't let me die. 24 00:01:14,396 --> 00:01:16,857 Police. Show yourself. 25 00:01:19,401 --> 00:01:21,987 I can't die. It's inside of me. 26 00:01:21,987 --> 00:01:24,364 - It won't let me die. - Don't touch that, all right? 27 00:01:24,364 --> 00:01:26,032 Just--call this in. Call it in. 28 00:01:26,032 --> 00:01:28,285 I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim. 29 00:01:28,285 --> 00:01:29,869 So I usually sit right next to camera 30 00:01:29,869 --> 00:01:31,121 to keep the eyeline tight. 31 00:01:31,121 --> 00:01:32,789 Then I'll just sit on the other side. 32 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:34,124 No, because then you'll split his look. 33 00:01:34,124 --> 00:01:36,126 - I don't think it matters. - Oh, hey. Hi. 34 00:01:36,126 --> 00:01:37,961 Thanks--thanks again for sitting down with me. 35 00:01:37,961 --> 00:01:40,589 - Us. - What? Oh, right, us. 36 00:01:40,589 --> 00:01:42,757 Uh, why are you filming? 37 00:01:42,757 --> 00:01:44,426 {\an8}- Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. 38 00:01:44,426 --> 00:01:46,094 {\an8}Abigail was very excited. 39 00:01:46,094 --> 00:01:47,971 - It's not a partnership. - It's totally a partnership. 40 00:01:47,971 --> 00:01:50,181 - The judge was very clear. - The judge? 41 00:01:50,181 --> 00:01:51,558 My name is Abigail Tierney. 42 00:01:51,558 --> 00:01:53,602 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 43 00:01:53,602 --> 00:01:54,978 at Westview Psychiatric. 44 00:01:54,978 --> 00:01:57,564 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 45 00:01:57,564 --> 00:01:59,899 I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage 46 00:01:59,899 --> 00:02:02,861 in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions. 47 00:02:02,861 --> 00:02:06,072 Translation, he stole my intellectual property, 48 00:02:06,072 --> 00:02:08,533 I sued, and the judge gave him a choice-- 49 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:10,619 pay me 200 thou in damages or give me equal partnership 50 00:02:10,619 --> 00:02:12,078 in his next project. 51 00:02:12,078 --> 00:02:13,496 He never said equal, but you know what? 52 00:02:13,496 --> 00:02:15,206 Never mind. 53 00:02:15,206 --> 00:02:17,042 Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell. 54 00:02:17,042 --> 00:02:18,335 Have a seat. 55 00:02:19,753 --> 00:02:22,130 Perhaps the most shocking case of murder 56 00:02:22,130 --> 00:02:23,715 and mayhem we've ever seen. 57 00:02:23,715 --> 00:02:25,091 Would you say that's a fair assessment? 58 00:02:25,091 --> 00:02:26,927 Um-- 59 00:02:26,927 --> 00:02:28,553 No, no, stay--stay back. Stay back. Stay back. 60 00:02:28,553 --> 00:02:29,888 - You don't understand. - OK, relax. 61 00:02:29,888 --> 00:02:32,223 OK, we're trying to help you. Who stabbed you? 62 00:02:32,223 --> 00:02:34,225 I stabbed myself. 63 00:02:34,225 --> 00:02:36,978 It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. 64 00:02:36,978 --> 00:02:38,188 I can't kill it. 65 00:02:38,188 --> 00:02:40,815 I can't die. See? 66 00:02:40,815 --> 00:02:42,400 No, don't pull that-- don't pull it out! 67 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,693 Oh, God. 68 00:02:46,112 --> 00:02:47,364 Oh, he died instantly. 69 00:02:47,364 --> 00:02:49,783 I mean, the wound was fatal. 70 00:02:49,783 --> 00:02:52,661 You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive. 71 00:02:52,661 --> 00:02:55,872 But the way the knife was lodged, 72 00:02:55,872 --> 00:02:56,956 he wasn't bleeding. 73 00:02:56,956 --> 00:02:58,708 Once he pulled it out-- 74 00:02:58,708 --> 00:03:01,336 - It was blood fountain city. - Not exactly, but-- 75 00:03:01,336 --> 00:03:03,546 As shocking as that was, it was far from 76 00:03:03,546 --> 00:03:05,173 the most shocking thing you found. 77 00:03:05,173 --> 00:03:06,508 Oh, we should get him to say that 78 00:03:06,508 --> 00:03:08,009 to set up the opening credits. 79 00:03:08,009 --> 00:03:09,761 That's not--we-- we don't put words 80 00:03:09,761 --> 00:03:11,513 in people's mouths. It's a documentary. 81 00:03:13,932 --> 00:03:17,102 Yeah, it was, uh, straight-up crazy. 82 00:03:18,478 --> 00:03:20,355 - You don't think-- - There's a body in there. 83 00:03:22,107 --> 00:03:23,316 May have finally found it. 84 00:03:25,235 --> 00:03:26,569 Please don't kill us. 85 00:03:26,569 --> 00:03:28,279 We will join your cult. 86 00:03:28,279 --> 00:03:30,031 - Oh. - Oh, God. 87 00:03:30,031 --> 00:03:32,409 {\an8}- You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor? 88 00:03:32,409 --> 00:03:33,702 {\an8}Yes. 89 00:03:33,702 --> 00:03:35,829 {\an8}I got there before the ambulance, 90 00:03:35,829 --> 00:03:37,706 {\an8}not that there was any aid they could have rendered. 91 00:03:37,706 --> 00:03:39,249 {\an8}- Is there a reason you didn't want us 92 00:03:39,249 --> 00:03:40,750 {\an8}to interview you with Tim? 93 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:41,918 {\an8}What? 94 00:03:41,918 --> 00:03:43,503 {\an8} No. We're just-- 95 00:03:43,503 --> 00:03:45,338 {\an8}just shaking it up. 96 00:03:45,338 --> 00:03:46,715 {\an8}- Let's-- let's-- let's stay focused. 97 00:03:46,715 --> 00:03:48,508 {\an8}Were you the first to recognize the victim? 98 00:03:48,508 --> 00:03:50,635 {\an8}Uh, sort of. 99 00:03:50,635 --> 00:03:53,513 {\an8}I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until 100 00:03:53,513 --> 00:03:54,806 {\an8}we ran his prints that we got a name. 101 00:03:54,806 --> 00:03:57,767 {\an8}Rich Rowley was retired LAPD. 102 00:03:57,767 --> 00:03:59,728 {\an8}He had been with the department for 30 years 103 00:03:59,728 --> 00:04:01,312 and was a little bit of a legend, 104 00:04:01,312 --> 00:04:04,607 {\an8}mostly because he made a series of training videos 105 00:04:04,607 --> 00:04:08,194 {\an8}from the mid-'90s till his retirement in 2015, 106 00:04:08,194 --> 00:04:12,157 {\an8}which by modern standards, are a little cringe. 107 00:04:12,157 --> 00:04:14,075 {\an8}- Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here 108 00:04:14,075 --> 00:04:16,202 {\an8}with another installment of... 109 00:04:16,202 --> 00:04:18,288 {\an8}♪ ♪ 110 00:04:18,288 --> 00:04:20,540 {\an8}Now, today, we're gonna be talking about 111 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:23,209 {\an8}proper cuffing technique. 112 00:04:23,209 --> 00:04:24,335 {\an8}Excuse me, officer? 113 00:04:24,335 --> 00:04:26,588 {\an8}I hurt my shoulder at the gym. 114 00:04:26,588 --> 00:04:28,465 {\an8}Would you mind cuffing me in front? 115 00:04:29,883 --> 00:04:32,927 {\an8}Pretty lady like you, 116 00:04:32,927 --> 00:04:35,013 {\an8}what's the worst that could happen? 117 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:36,848 {\an8} 118 00:04:36,848 --> 00:04:39,726 {\an8}- Thank you. You're welcome. 119 00:04:39,726 --> 00:04:42,145 {\an8}- 120 00:04:42,145 --> 00:04:43,646 {\an8}Rich was a trip. 121 00:04:43,646 --> 00:04:46,649 {\an8}The life of the party, at least early in his career. 122 00:04:46,649 --> 00:04:48,401 {\an8}Then as the years went on, 123 00:04:48,401 --> 00:04:52,113 {\an8}he became a little, uh, crazy. 124 00:04:52,113 --> 00:04:53,531 {\an8}Crazy how? 125 00:04:53,531 --> 00:04:55,450 {\an8}- He was deep into conspiracy theories. 126 00:04:55,450 --> 00:04:59,120 {\an8}He had a real thing for cults and cabals. 127 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,498 {\an8}- To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history. 128 00:05:01,498 --> 00:05:04,084 {\an8}But Rich took it to the next level, 129 00:05:04,084 --> 00:05:05,502 {\an8}and his training videos got more 130 00:05:05,502 --> 00:05:06,920 {\an8}and more intense because of it. 131 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,630 {\an8}We finally got around to updating the videos 132 00:05:08,630 --> 00:05:11,549 {\an8}this last year, but that caused quite a controversy 133 00:05:11,549 --> 00:05:12,967 {\an8}with some of the older officers. 134 00:05:12,967 --> 00:05:15,345 {\an8}They said we were being insensitive. 135 00:05:15,345 --> 00:05:17,931 {\an8}- Why would updating training videos be insensitive? 136 00:05:17,931 --> 00:05:20,475 {\an8}- Even three years on, a lot of his friends 137 00:05:20,475 --> 00:05:22,894 {\an8}were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a way 138 00:05:22,894 --> 00:05:25,271 {\an8}- to keep his memory alive. I'm sorry. 139 00:05:25,271 --> 00:05:26,564 {\an8}I thought Rich died six months ago. 140 00:05:26,564 --> 00:05:28,566 {\an8}- Yeah. He did. 141 00:05:28,566 --> 00:05:29,984 {\an8}I'm talking about the first time. 142 00:05:29,984 --> 00:05:31,736 Divers are searching for 143 00:05:31,736 --> 00:05:33,279 any signs of retired 144 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,282 {\an8}Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley 145 00:05:36,282 --> 00:05:38,201 {\an8}after a sailing trip gone wrong. 146 00:05:38,201 --> 00:05:40,703 {\an8}Coast Guard responded to a distress call 147 00:05:40,703 --> 00:05:42,664 {\an8}this morning from Rowley's wife, 148 00:05:42,664 --> 00:05:44,958 {\an8}who says the 55-year-old fell overboard 149 00:05:44,958 --> 00:05:46,960 {\an8}after the sailboat he was captaining 150 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,921 {\an8}was struck by a rogue wave. 151 00:05:49,921 --> 00:05:52,090 {\an8}- Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, 152 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:53,633 {\an8}it automatically sets off alarm bells. 153 00:05:53,633 --> 00:05:55,260 {\an8}Why is that? 154 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:57,095 {\an8}- It's just an ideal place to cover up a crime. 155 00:05:57,095 --> 00:05:58,847 {\an8}Throw a body overboard, weigh it down, 156 00:05:58,847 --> 00:06:00,723 {\an8}the likelihood of us recovering it before 157 00:06:00,723 --> 00:06:02,767 {\an8}it becomes fish food is low. 158 00:06:02,767 --> 00:06:05,436 {\an8}- And circumstances were suspicious. 159 00:06:05,436 --> 00:06:07,772 {\an8}By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor, 160 00:06:07,772 --> 00:06:10,233 {\an8}it was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise 161 00:06:10,233 --> 00:06:13,444 {\an8}was Darla Phillips, his on again, off again 162 00:06:13,444 --> 00:06:15,488 {\an8}girlfriend, who he married five days prior. 163 00:06:15,488 --> 00:06:17,156 {\an8}So you suspected foul play? 164 00:06:17,156 --> 00:06:19,868 {\an8} 165 00:06:19,868 --> 00:06:22,203 {\an8}- Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out. 166 00:06:22,203 --> 00:06:23,955 {\an8}- Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest? 167 00:06:23,955 --> 00:06:27,166 {\an8}- He never did. He was a strong swimmer. 168 00:06:27,166 --> 00:06:29,419 {\an8}He must have hit his head when he fell. 169 00:06:29,419 --> 00:06:31,171 {\an8}- Why didn't you jump in after him? 170 00:06:31,171 --> 00:06:33,715 {\an8}- I'm scared of dark water. Dark water? 171 00:06:33,715 --> 00:06:36,175 {\an8}- Water you can't see the bottom of. 172 00:06:36,175 --> 00:06:38,261 {\an8}Just blackness 173 00:06:38,261 --> 00:06:40,597 {\an8}with God knows what lurking below. 174 00:06:40,597 --> 00:06:43,183 {\an8}- You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension. 175 00:06:43,183 --> 00:06:44,601 {\an8}That's quite a bit of money. 176 00:06:44,601 --> 00:06:46,519 {\an8}How dare you? 177 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:50,899 {\an8}I just watched the love of my life die in front of me. 178 00:06:50,899 --> 00:06:52,817 {\an8}- We don't know that for sure yet. 179 00:06:52,817 --> 00:06:54,944 {\an8}They haven't found his body. 180 00:06:54,944 --> 00:06:59,073 {\an8}Unless you know more that you're not telling us. 181 00:06:59,073 --> 00:07:00,825 {\an8}Go to hell! 182 00:07:00,825 --> 00:07:02,535 {\an8}This interview is over. 183 00:07:02,535 --> 00:07:05,038 {\an8}- Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive? 184 00:07:05,038 --> 00:07:06,956 {\an8}- As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, 185 00:07:06,956 --> 00:07:10,501 {\an8}but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death. 186 00:07:10,501 --> 00:07:12,128 {\an8}- Until he turned up dead again. 187 00:07:12,128 --> 00:07:14,714 {\an8}Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla. 188 00:07:14,714 --> 00:07:17,091 {\an8}- Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime. 189 00:07:17,091 --> 00:07:18,509 {\an8}- I checked. You're right, 190 00:07:18,509 --> 00:07:20,303 {\an8}but profiting off of that death, 191 00:07:20,303 --> 00:07:22,138 {\an8}collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, 192 00:07:22,138 --> 00:07:24,098 {\an8}that's fraud. 193 00:07:24,098 --> 00:07:26,392 {\an8}- Not to mention the resources that were wasted 194 00:07:26,392 --> 00:07:27,644 {\an8}trying to recover his body. 195 00:07:27,644 --> 00:07:30,188 {\an8}You could be facing some serious charges. 196 00:07:30,188 --> 00:07:32,440 {\an8}So tell us. 197 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,359 {\an8}Why did Rich want to fake his death? 198 00:07:35,693 --> 00:07:39,614 {\an8}- After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart. 199 00:07:39,614 --> 00:07:43,534 {\an8}His drinking got worse, and his paranoia. 200 00:07:43,534 --> 00:07:46,037 {\an8}He was always a little intense, 201 00:07:46,037 --> 00:07:48,498 {\an8}but it started to get scary. 202 00:07:48,498 --> 00:07:51,834 {\an8}He covered all his windows with newspapers, 203 00:07:51,834 --> 00:07:55,505 {\an8}started writing down the license plates of passing cars. 204 00:07:55,505 --> 00:07:57,423 {\an8}What was he so afraid of? 205 00:07:57,423 --> 00:08:00,176 {\an8}- He said there was this group, like, 206 00:08:00,176 --> 00:08:05,348 {\an8}a secret society of dangerous and powerful people. 207 00:08:05,348 --> 00:08:07,225 {\an8}He'd been on to them for years. 208 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:09,018 {\an8}He said that they found out about him, 209 00:08:09,018 --> 00:08:11,187 {\an8}that he was in danger because of it. 210 00:08:11,187 --> 00:08:14,148 {\an8}It was too much for me, so I broke up with him. 211 00:08:14,148 --> 00:08:18,152 {\an8}And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep 212 00:08:18,152 --> 00:08:21,281 and asked me to help him fake his death 213 00:08:21,281 --> 00:08:23,866 in return for his pension. 214 00:08:23,866 --> 00:08:25,368 I needed the money. 215 00:08:25,368 --> 00:08:28,246 So we got married, and we did the deed, 216 00:08:28,246 --> 00:08:30,206 and I never saw him again. 217 00:08:30,206 --> 00:08:34,127 So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage? 218 00:08:34,127 --> 00:08:35,628 We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle 219 00:08:35,628 --> 00:08:37,380 until the end of the first act, you know, 220 00:08:37,380 --> 00:08:38,589 {\an8}hit the audience with a twist when 221 00:08:38,589 --> 00:08:40,591 {\an8}- it's dramatically expedient. Yeah. 222 00:08:40,591 --> 00:08:41,759 {\an8}Seems manipulative. 223 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:43,261 {\an8}All good storytelling is, so. 224 00:08:43,261 --> 00:08:45,888 {\an8}- Just tell us about finding the coffin. 225 00:08:45,888 --> 00:08:49,767 {\an8}- So once I arrived, and we secured the crime scene, 226 00:08:49,767 --> 00:08:51,561 we cleared the rest of the house, 227 00:08:51,561 --> 00:08:52,395 and then we moved on to the garage. 228 00:08:56,899 --> 00:08:57,900 Oh. 229 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:59,819 Oh, you don't think there's-- 230 00:08:59,819 --> 00:09:03,114 That there's a body in there? I absolutely do. 231 00:09:03,114 --> 00:09:06,743 OK, are we gonna open it? 'Cause I don't wanna open it. 232 00:09:06,743 --> 00:09:08,202 What do you think? 233 00:09:08,202 --> 00:09:10,580 I mean, it's clearly been dug up. 234 00:09:10,580 --> 00:09:12,749 Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been 235 00:09:12,749 --> 00:09:14,208 underground for a few years. 236 00:09:14,208 --> 00:09:16,961 If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead. 237 00:09:16,961 --> 00:09:19,589 - Unless-- - Unless what? 238 00:09:19,589 --> 00:09:22,550 Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin. 239 00:09:25,011 --> 00:09:26,929 OK, got it. 240 00:09:26,929 --> 00:09:28,348 - Got it? - Yep. 241 00:09:28,348 --> 00:09:30,516 Oh. Oh, God. 242 00:09:37,774 --> 00:09:39,192 The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver 243 00:09:39,192 --> 00:09:41,194 named Marcus Ford, 244 00:09:41,194 --> 00:09:43,029 who was the victim of an unsolved homicide 245 00:09:43,029 --> 00:09:44,614 back in 2020. 246 00:09:44,614 --> 00:09:45,656 How was he killed? 247 00:09:45,656 --> 00:09:47,658 Uh, he was stabbed in the heart. 248 00:09:47,658 --> 00:09:49,827 Just like Rich. 249 00:09:49,827 --> 00:09:52,455 Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford. 250 00:09:52,455 --> 00:09:54,415 - Did I just solve the case? - No. 251 00:09:54,415 --> 00:09:58,294 We were able to alibi Rich out. 252 00:09:58,294 --> 00:10:00,546 He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died. 253 00:10:00,546 --> 00:10:02,757 Medical records say he was so weak that, 254 00:10:02,757 --> 00:10:04,425 uh, he could barely get out of bed. 255 00:10:04,425 --> 00:10:05,968 Or that's what he wanted you to think. 256 00:10:05,968 --> 00:10:07,261 Moving on. 257 00:10:07,261 --> 00:10:08,638 Digging up a body's no easy task. 258 00:10:08,638 --> 00:10:10,348 Why would Rich go to all that trouble? 259 00:10:10,348 --> 00:10:12,683 Initially, we thought it was simply 260 00:10:12,683 --> 00:10:16,104 the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind, 261 00:10:16,104 --> 00:10:17,939 and in some ways, it was. 262 00:10:17,939 --> 00:10:20,441 But then we found the tattoo. 263 00:10:20,441 --> 00:10:22,276 At first, it was a little bit difficult 264 00:10:22,276 --> 00:10:24,195 to make out exactly what it was. 265 00:10:24,195 --> 00:10:27,615 A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin. 266 00:10:27,615 --> 00:10:30,201 But when we look back at the case file, 267 00:10:30,201 --> 00:10:32,578 there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy. 268 00:10:32,578 --> 00:10:33,955 That's actually kind of sick. 269 00:10:33,955 --> 00:10:36,082 I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist. 270 00:10:36,082 --> 00:10:37,250 I've been meaning to start the sleeve 271 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:39,127 on my other arm, like a-- 272 00:10:39,127 --> 00:10:40,628 To my collaborator's point, 273 00:10:40,628 --> 00:10:42,713 lots of people have tattoos. 274 00:10:42,713 --> 00:10:45,007 What was it about this one that jumped out at you? 275 00:10:45,007 --> 00:10:48,261 Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, 276 00:10:48,261 --> 00:10:50,096 but we couldn't place it. 277 00:10:50,096 --> 00:10:53,558 So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come 278 00:10:53,558 --> 00:10:56,477 from a more unlikely place. 279 00:10:56,477 --> 00:10:58,354 I watched the Rich Rowley training videos 280 00:10:58,354 --> 00:11:00,815 more than any person alive, 281 00:11:00,815 --> 00:11:04,360 so I recognized the symbol immediately. 282 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,571 {\an8}- Sometimes, citizens panic when 283 00:11:06,571 --> 00:11:09,240 {\an8}they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones. 284 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,284 That is why we always advise the public 285 00:11:11,284 --> 00:11:14,704 to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing. 286 00:11:14,704 --> 00:11:16,664 While most missing person reports stem 287 00:11:16,664 --> 00:11:18,374 from a lapse in communication, 288 00:11:18,374 --> 00:11:20,251 every once in a while, you'll encounter 289 00:11:20,251 --> 00:11:22,837 a true, workable case. 290 00:11:22,837 --> 00:11:25,631 Officer, help. My sister is missing. 291 00:11:25,631 --> 00:11:27,091 When's the last time you saw her? 292 00:11:27,091 --> 00:11:28,759 Last night at the bar. 293 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:31,137 Her boyfriend said she never made it home. 294 00:11:31,137 --> 00:11:34,974 You always wanna take a report like this one seriously. 295 00:11:34,974 --> 00:11:37,560 - So Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos 296 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:39,937 that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim. 297 00:11:39,937 --> 00:11:42,148 What did you think that meant? 298 00:11:42,148 --> 00:11:44,400 Uh, I don't know. 299 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,151 I can't believe I'm saying this, 300 00:11:45,151 --> 00:11:46,360 but Smitty was right. 301 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,362 In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol 302 00:11:48,362 --> 00:11:50,239 was hidden in the background, 303 00:11:50,239 --> 00:11:51,949 although the instructions 304 00:11:51,949 --> 00:11:54,243 to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person 305 00:11:54,243 --> 00:11:56,162 are wildly outdated. 306 00:11:56,162 --> 00:11:57,914 Anyways, it got me thinking. 307 00:11:57,914 --> 00:12:01,083 What if Rich put messages in other videos? 308 00:12:01,083 --> 00:12:02,335 What kind of messages? 309 00:12:02,335 --> 00:12:03,794 I'm not totally sure yet. 310 00:12:03,794 --> 00:12:05,838 I binged every single Rich training video 311 00:12:05,838 --> 00:12:06,839 I could get my hands on. 312 00:12:06,839 --> 00:12:08,382 Yeah, it's been a fun few nights. 313 00:12:08,382 --> 00:12:10,301 And I did find a few other possible leads, 314 00:12:10,301 --> 00:12:11,636 but there's a problem. 315 00:12:11,636 --> 00:12:12,929 The department's archive is incomplete, 316 00:12:12,929 --> 00:12:14,347 and without all of the videos, 317 00:12:14,347 --> 00:12:15,514 I can't be sure that I'm not missing 318 00:12:15,514 --> 00:12:16,933 a vital piece of information. 319 00:12:16,933 --> 00:12:18,809 So what happened to the missing videos? 320 00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:20,978 So when the training topics and the videos 321 00:12:20,978 --> 00:12:24,607 become outdated because of new laws or protocols, 322 00:12:24,607 --> 00:12:26,317 the department has to make new ones, 323 00:12:26,317 --> 00:12:28,778 and obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized 324 00:12:28,778 --> 00:12:31,989 and archived for historical record. 325 00:12:31,989 --> 00:12:34,367 But Rich's were just gone. 326 00:12:34,367 --> 00:12:35,993 Gone as in destroyed? 327 00:12:35,993 --> 00:12:38,621 - Like a cover-up? - No one's saying that. 328 00:12:38,621 --> 00:12:40,831 Most likely, it was a human error. 329 00:12:40,831 --> 00:12:43,459 You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them. 330 00:12:43,459 --> 00:12:45,294 I tried reaching out to the production company 331 00:12:45,294 --> 00:12:48,464 that made the videos to see if they had any copies left. 332 00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:51,509 Bad news is they went out of business a few years back 333 00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:53,386 and auctioned off all their equipment. 334 00:12:53,386 --> 00:12:55,471 What's the good news? 335 00:12:55,471 --> 00:12:58,766 Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, 336 00:12:58,766 --> 00:13:00,768 and I actually know the person who purchased 337 00:13:00,768 --> 00:13:03,229 the studio's old hard drives. 338 00:13:03,229 --> 00:13:06,482 Careful, I'm very ticklish, like the Pillsbury Doughboy. 339 00:13:06,482 --> 00:13:07,483 Same. 340 00:13:07,483 --> 00:13:09,527 I hear it's a sign of intelligence. 341 00:13:09,527 --> 00:13:10,820 - Is that a fact? - Yep. 342 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:13,447 Then I am smart as the dickens. 343 00:13:13,447 --> 00:13:15,199 So you purchased hard drives 344 00:13:15,199 --> 00:13:17,034 {\an8}from Speak Now Studios? 345 00:13:17,034 --> 00:13:19,120 {\an8}- Yeah. Dropout was still in its infancy. 346 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,414 I was building the company from the ground up. 347 00:13:21,414 --> 00:13:23,666 We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. 348 00:13:23,666 --> 00:13:26,335 We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand-- 349 00:13:26,335 --> 00:13:28,254 hard drives, cameras, wigs. 350 00:13:28,254 --> 00:13:31,299 Wait, you bought second-hand wigs? 351 00:13:31,299 --> 00:13:32,591 Give them a little shake before we put them on. 352 00:13:32,591 --> 00:13:34,051 That's awesome. 353 00:13:34,051 --> 00:13:35,303 Do you still have that wig connect? 354 00:13:35,303 --> 00:13:37,930 'Cause I'd love a referral. My guy is-- 355 00:13:37,930 --> 00:13:39,807 Back on track. 356 00:13:39,807 --> 00:13:42,059 The hard drives you bought contain police training videos. 357 00:13:42,059 --> 00:13:43,644 Did you happen to watch any of them? 358 00:13:43,644 --> 00:13:45,646 Of course. Rich Rowley, right? 359 00:13:45,646 --> 00:13:47,648 We were obsessed with those videos. 360 00:13:47,648 --> 00:13:50,359 We probably watched them, like, a dozen times. 361 00:13:50,359 --> 00:13:53,029 I'm Rich Rowley, and this is "Survive the Streets." 362 00:13:53,029 --> 00:13:54,655 Oh, that's great. 363 00:13:54,655 --> 00:13:56,032 Vic can do the best impression. 364 00:13:56,032 --> 00:13:57,950 Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us? 365 00:13:57,950 --> 00:14:00,328 I totally would, 366 00:14:00,328 --> 00:14:01,620 but I can't because 367 00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:03,331 we wiped all of those hard drives 368 00:14:03,331 --> 00:14:04,915 to use as servers months ago. 369 00:14:04,915 --> 00:14:06,792 Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 370 00:14:06,792 --> 00:14:10,629 You'll still feature this interview, right? 371 00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:12,214 - Yeah. - Yeah, probably not. 372 00:14:12,214 --> 00:14:14,008 Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew 373 00:14:14,008 --> 00:14:16,761 watched the video, like, dozens of times, right? 374 00:14:16,761 --> 00:14:18,888 Yes, sometimes on an edible, mostly sober. 375 00:14:18,888 --> 00:14:20,806 I have an idea. 376 00:14:20,806 --> 00:14:22,266 OK, so then he'd be like, don't forget to check 377 00:14:22,266 --> 00:14:23,768 the closet or you'll die. So I don't know. 378 00:14:23,768 --> 00:14:25,478 I think it's a little bit more like, 379 00:14:25,478 --> 00:14:27,271 like, if you forget to check the closet, 380 00:14:27,271 --> 00:14:29,982 Freddy, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrote! 381 00:14:29,982 --> 00:14:31,734 OK, I think there's less foot stuff. 382 00:14:31,734 --> 00:14:33,319 I feel like he's like-- 383 00:14:33,319 --> 00:14:35,321 and then your crazy methy ex-girlfriend 384 00:14:35,321 --> 00:14:37,531 who's been hiding in the hallway closet 385 00:14:37,531 --> 00:14:39,408 will chainsaw your face when you get home 386 00:14:39,408 --> 00:14:41,285 because you forgot to clear the room! 387 00:14:41,285 --> 00:14:42,286 - Clear the room! - Clear the room! 388 00:14:42,286 --> 00:14:43,871 Check the room. 389 00:14:43,871 --> 00:14:45,831 I think he was so close to pulling out his gun-- 390 00:14:45,831 --> 00:14:47,583 - What are you guys doing? - That's a great question. 391 00:14:47,583 --> 00:14:49,210 They're reenacting the police training videos 392 00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:50,544 since you guys wiped them off your hard drive. 393 00:14:50,544 --> 00:14:52,213 Oh, the Rich Rowley ones. 394 00:14:52,213 --> 00:14:53,714 - Those are so funny. - Right. 395 00:14:53,714 --> 00:14:55,216 I actually stole one of the hard drives 396 00:14:55,216 --> 00:14:56,425 so I could watch it when I'm in the tub. 397 00:14:56,425 --> 00:14:57,593 You talking about your tub again? 398 00:14:57,593 --> 00:14:58,761 - Say what? - A little self-care. 399 00:14:58,761 --> 00:15:00,513 You know, trying to relax a little more. 400 00:15:00,513 --> 00:15:02,598 - It's not working. - Can we have it? 401 00:15:02,598 --> 00:15:04,225 If you want to borrow it, I could, you know. 402 00:15:04,225 --> 00:15:05,685 No, I think this is actually working great. 403 00:15:05,685 --> 00:15:08,187 - I mean, you could. OK. - Keep this up. 404 00:15:08,187 --> 00:15:09,063 - Riffing. - Clearing the room. 405 00:15:09,063 --> 00:15:10,398 Help us. 406 00:15:10,398 --> 00:15:11,649 OK, I finally finished watching 407 00:15:11,649 --> 00:15:13,234 all of the Rich training videos, 408 00:15:13,234 --> 00:15:14,693 and there is a lot. 409 00:15:14,693 --> 00:15:17,780 Um, take lesson 277-- 410 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:22,785 My azaleas! 411 00:15:22,785 --> 00:15:26,414 A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found 412 00:15:26,414 --> 00:15:28,249 stabbed near a ski resort. 413 00:15:28,249 --> 00:15:29,625 - You're kidding. - No. 414 00:15:29,625 --> 00:15:32,628 And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder 415 00:15:32,628 --> 00:15:34,422 with a Post-It note on the back with a brown star 416 00:15:34,422 --> 00:15:35,756 - drawn on it. - I'm lost. 417 00:15:35,756 --> 00:15:38,509 Right, so I looked up the cold cases 418 00:15:38,509 --> 00:15:40,219 to see if there were any victims with names 419 00:15:40,219 --> 00:15:42,138 like Star or Stella, 420 00:15:42,138 --> 00:15:43,639 and there was one hit, 421 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:45,141 Stella Brown, 422 00:15:45,141 --> 00:15:47,435 also found stabbed in the chest. 423 00:15:47,435 --> 00:15:49,395 In all, Lucy found clues pointing 424 00:15:49,395 --> 00:15:51,814 to seven different cold cases. 425 00:15:51,814 --> 00:15:53,816 But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims 426 00:15:53,816 --> 00:15:55,651 in police training videos? 427 00:15:55,651 --> 00:15:56,902 Based on what we could piece together, 428 00:15:56,902 --> 00:15:59,196 he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy-- 429 00:15:59,196 --> 00:16:01,532 a series of connected murders committed by person 430 00:16:01,532 --> 00:16:03,159 or persons unknown. 431 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:04,952 If that were the case, why not just report 432 00:16:04,952 --> 00:16:07,329 his suspicion? He was a cop for 30 years. 433 00:16:07,329 --> 00:16:09,832 Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation 434 00:16:09,832 --> 00:16:14,378 within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking. 435 00:16:14,378 --> 00:16:18,215 So unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand. 436 00:16:18,215 --> 00:16:20,176 But why did he think the murders were connected? 437 00:16:20,176 --> 00:16:21,677 Well, for starters, they were all stabbed 438 00:16:21,677 --> 00:16:23,804 in the chest, but more importantly, 439 00:16:23,804 --> 00:16:25,431 each victim was found with a penny 440 00:16:25,431 --> 00:16:26,891 either in or on their person. 441 00:16:26,891 --> 00:16:28,225 What do you mean "in"? 442 00:16:28,225 --> 00:16:30,352 One had a penny in her stomach. 443 00:16:30,352 --> 00:16:32,521 Another had one shoved up his nose. 444 00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:33,856 Stella Brown lucked out. 445 00:16:33,856 --> 00:16:35,774 Hers was just clasped in her hand. 446 00:16:35,774 --> 00:16:38,277 And when we re-examined Marcus Ford's corpse, 447 00:16:38,277 --> 00:16:41,655 the ME found one inserted into the heel of his left foot. 448 00:16:41,655 --> 00:16:43,365 Why? 449 00:16:43,365 --> 00:16:45,659 Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930? 450 00:16:45,659 --> 00:16:47,912 OK. Well, I just got goosebumps. 451 00:16:47,912 --> 00:16:50,122 Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed 452 00:16:50,122 --> 00:16:52,249 close to 50 pennies before he died. 453 00:16:52,249 --> 00:16:53,501 Gross. 454 00:16:53,501 --> 00:16:55,211 So at this point, was your theory-- 455 00:16:55,211 --> 00:16:57,087 I actually have no idea what their theory would have been. 456 00:16:57,087 --> 00:16:59,757 Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark, 457 00:16:59,757 --> 00:17:01,967 which we were about to discover 458 00:17:01,967 --> 00:17:04,762 when we got access to his cloud account. 459 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:07,389 OK. 460 00:17:07,389 --> 00:17:09,975 I may have finally found it. 461 00:17:09,975 --> 00:17:12,728 I am so close to getting some real answers. 462 00:17:14,939 --> 00:17:17,066 See that? 463 00:17:24,114 --> 00:17:30,871 ♪ ♪ 464 00:17:30,871 --> 00:17:33,374 Oh, whoa. 465 00:17:33,374 --> 00:17:34,375 Ha! 466 00:17:36,377 --> 00:17:38,420 Oh, my God. No! No. 467 00:17:40,965 --> 00:17:43,384 - For a guy pretending to be dead, 468 00:17:43,384 --> 00:17:45,261 breaking into a secure military facility 469 00:17:45,261 --> 00:17:47,304 doesn't seem like the best idea. 470 00:17:47,304 --> 00:17:50,975 Well, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility. 471 00:17:50,975 --> 00:17:52,434 It was Area 67. 472 00:17:52,434 --> 00:17:53,727 What does that mean? 473 00:17:53,727 --> 00:17:56,438 That's where the government keeps the aliens. 474 00:17:56,438 --> 00:18:00,234 ♪ ♪ 475 00:18:04,697 --> 00:18:05,573 So Rich broke into a secret government base 476 00:18:05,573 --> 00:18:07,449 on the hunt for a massive conspiracy, 477 00:18:07,449 --> 00:18:08,951 then stabbed himself in the chest? 478 00:18:08,951 --> 00:18:10,536 I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened. 479 00:18:10,536 --> 00:18:12,454 - Is it? - Come on. 480 00:18:12,454 --> 00:18:14,540 Remember what Rich said right before he died? 481 00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:16,125 I can't die. 482 00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:17,084 It's inside of me. 483 00:18:17,084 --> 00:18:18,836 It won't let me die. 484 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,254 Yeah, I'm not following. 485 00:18:20,254 --> 00:18:23,007 Rich was exposed to an alien parasite. 486 00:18:23,007 --> 00:18:25,551 It was inside him. 487 00:18:25,551 --> 00:18:28,095 Were you familiar with Area 67? 488 00:18:28,095 --> 00:18:29,888 I'd heard of it. Yeah. 489 00:18:29,888 --> 00:18:32,600 There's this AM radio station I used to listen to 490 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,226 back in Foxburg. 491 00:18:34,226 --> 00:18:35,853 Kept me awake when I was working late. 492 00:18:35,853 --> 00:18:38,689 The host was obsessed with UFOs. 493 00:18:38,689 --> 00:18:40,900 - "Val's Velvet Bunker"? - That's the one. 494 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,194 He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining. 495 00:18:44,194 --> 00:18:47,573 {\an8}Area 51 is theater. 496 00:18:47,573 --> 00:18:49,283 {\an8}Do you believe? 497 00:18:49,283 --> 00:18:52,119 Do you really believe the most secretive 498 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,747 military installation in the world would let itself 499 00:18:54,747 --> 00:18:56,749 become a tourist attraction? 500 00:18:56,749 --> 00:18:58,042 No, no, no, no. 501 00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:00,711 Area 51 is the distraction. 502 00:19:00,711 --> 00:19:03,672 Area 67 is the real deal. 503 00:19:03,672 --> 00:19:06,216 You know why California has all those earthquakes? 504 00:19:06,216 --> 00:19:08,969 It's not the San Andreas Fault, my friends. 505 00:19:08,969 --> 00:19:12,139 It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's 506 00:19:12,139 --> 00:19:13,974 underground testing chambers. 507 00:19:13,974 --> 00:19:15,893 Did you believe in his theories? 508 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:17,311 No, no. 509 00:19:17,311 --> 00:19:19,104 Like I said, just entertainment. 510 00:19:19,104 --> 00:19:20,064 Let's hear from a caller. 511 00:19:20,064 --> 00:19:21,815 {\an8}Hi, name's John. 512 00:19:21,815 --> 00:19:22,983 {\an8}Longtime listener, fourth-time caller. 513 00:19:22,983 --> 00:19:25,653 - Hey, John from Foxburg. Welcome back. 514 00:19:25,653 --> 00:19:26,779 What have you got for us tonight? 515 00:19:26,779 --> 00:19:29,365 - I swear to God I just saw a UFO. 516 00:19:31,659 --> 00:19:34,745 John is such a common name. 517 00:19:34,745 --> 00:19:37,373 I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. 518 00:19:37,373 --> 00:19:38,666 {\an8}- You are? Yeah. 519 00:19:38,666 --> 00:19:40,292 {\an8}I mean, it's a big universe. 520 00:19:40,292 --> 00:19:42,336 {\an8}- Anything could be out there. I don't know. 521 00:19:42,336 --> 00:19:45,172 People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off. 522 00:19:45,172 --> 00:19:46,965 You were friends with a corpse, right? 523 00:19:46,965 --> 00:19:48,342 Well, yeah, we were more than friends, 524 00:19:48,342 --> 00:19:49,969 but fair enough. OK. 525 00:19:49,969 --> 00:19:52,388 Legally, is it necrophilia 526 00:19:52,388 --> 00:19:53,972 if she only did over the clothes stuff? 527 00:19:53,972 --> 00:19:56,475 - That's a great question. - Oh, I definitely believe. 528 00:19:56,475 --> 00:19:58,268 In fact, 529 00:19:58,268 --> 00:20:00,521 I've been abducted by aliens. 530 00:20:00,521 --> 00:20:02,898 - Really? - Multiple times. 531 00:20:02,898 --> 00:20:06,318 Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject. 532 00:20:06,318 --> 00:20:09,530 I remember the last time Smitty was "abducted." 533 00:20:09,530 --> 00:20:11,198 Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas 534 00:20:11,198 --> 00:20:12,825 and woke up in Wisconsin. 535 00:20:12,825 --> 00:20:14,576 Missing time, 536 00:20:14,576 --> 00:20:17,538 one of the hallmarks of alien abductions. 537 00:20:17,538 --> 00:20:19,665 - And binge drinking. - Point is, 538 00:20:19,665 --> 00:20:22,334 the government had little gray men 539 00:20:22,334 --> 00:20:24,753 in their secret labs for decades. 540 00:20:24,753 --> 00:20:26,547 What are they doing with them? 541 00:20:26,547 --> 00:20:29,174 They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts 542 00:20:29,174 --> 00:20:30,801 and taking over their bodies. 543 00:20:30,801 --> 00:20:34,388 You just never know who might be one of them. 544 00:20:36,015 --> 00:20:38,892 {\an8}- Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself 545 00:20:38,892 --> 00:20:40,853 {\an8}to kill an alien parasite, 546 00:20:40,853 --> 00:20:42,354 but I wouldn't say 547 00:20:42,354 --> 00:20:44,314 that was a dominant theory. 548 00:20:44,314 --> 00:20:45,858 It wasn't long before we figured out 549 00:20:45,858 --> 00:20:48,318 Rich believed something darker, 550 00:20:48,318 --> 00:20:50,738 and it was connected to the seven murders. 551 00:20:50,738 --> 00:20:52,364 Then why did Rich break into the army base? 552 00:20:52,364 --> 00:20:54,992 {\an8}Yes, I remember the incident. 553 00:20:54,992 --> 00:20:56,452 {\an8}Rich Rowley cut through a fence. 554 00:20:56,452 --> 00:20:58,620 {\an8}He trespassed on government property. 555 00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:01,331 He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way. 556 00:21:01,331 --> 00:21:03,876 Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for? 557 00:21:03,876 --> 00:21:06,670 Uh, as it turns out, he was looking for me. 558 00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:09,882 But not because of any alleged aliens. 559 00:21:09,882 --> 00:21:12,301 So why did he come? 560 00:21:12,301 --> 00:21:15,262 Uh, this part is a-- 561 00:21:15,262 --> 00:21:17,973 is a little bit embarrassing. Um... 562 00:21:17,973 --> 00:21:20,267 before I found my calling in the military, 563 00:21:20,267 --> 00:21:23,020 I thought that I wanted to be an actor, 564 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,981 and I was in a few DTV movies. 565 00:21:25,981 --> 00:21:27,107 What's DTV? 566 00:21:27,107 --> 00:21:28,233 You're so young. 567 00:21:28,233 --> 00:21:29,693 Uh, direct to video. 568 00:21:29,693 --> 00:21:32,029 They made all these super cheap movies 569 00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:33,822 back in the '80s and '90s. 570 00:21:33,822 --> 00:21:35,365 You make them as cheaply as possible 571 00:21:35,365 --> 00:21:37,409 and then hope that someone was drawn in enough 572 00:21:37,409 --> 00:21:39,828 {\an8}by the cover art to rent them. 573 00:21:39,828 --> 00:21:42,414 {\an8}- A guy can't have a side gig? Totally. 574 00:21:42,414 --> 00:21:43,999 How did you get into acting? 575 00:21:43,999 --> 00:21:46,543 {\an8}- Some director scouted me when I pulled him over. 576 00:21:46,543 --> 00:21:49,338 {\an8}He said I had a bitchin' bod. 577 00:21:49,338 --> 00:21:51,006 Well, he wasn't wrong. 578 00:21:51,006 --> 00:21:53,884 But I gave it up 'cause the people of this city 579 00:21:53,884 --> 00:21:55,969 - needed a savior. - Mm. 580 00:21:55,969 --> 00:21:58,222 Yeah, you are the model of public service. 581 00:21:58,222 --> 00:22:00,057 Right. 582 00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:03,102 Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible 583 00:22:03,102 --> 00:22:06,313 B movie that I was in. I played a monk. 584 00:22:06,313 --> 00:22:08,857 It was called "300 Days of Hell." 585 00:22:10,859 --> 00:22:13,112 {\an8} 586 00:22:13,112 --> 00:22:14,988 Terrible B movie, that's what he called it? 587 00:22:14,988 --> 00:22:17,366 "300 Days of Hell" is the scariest film of the 1990s. 588 00:22:17,366 --> 00:22:18,951 Really? 589 00:22:18,951 --> 00:22:20,911 "The Ring", "Scream," "Blair Witch Project"? 590 00:22:20,911 --> 00:22:22,871 Which one of us executive produced a horror movie? 591 00:22:22,871 --> 00:22:25,124 Trust me, "THDOH" 592 00:22:25,124 --> 00:22:27,126 is true nightmare fuel. 593 00:22:27,126 --> 00:22:29,211 It's not that scary. 594 00:22:29,211 --> 00:22:31,755 She made me watch it at the beginning of our relationship. 595 00:22:31,755 --> 00:22:34,633 When he was still trying to impress me. 596 00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:36,760 You wanna watch it again tonight? 597 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,513 I would. Totally. 598 00:22:39,513 --> 00:22:42,516 I do have plans, though. 599 00:22:42,516 --> 00:22:44,101 Yeah I'm not watching that crap, 600 00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:45,811 even if it is for a case. 601 00:22:45,811 --> 00:22:48,063 I see enough horror on the job. 602 00:22:48,063 --> 00:22:51,108 That being said, "300 Days of Hell" 603 00:22:51,108 --> 00:22:53,110 was our first real window into the rabbit hole 604 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:54,528 that Rich had gone down. 605 00:22:54,528 --> 00:22:56,071 A rabbit hole filled with demons-- 606 00:22:56,071 --> 00:22:58,991 or rather, a demon. 607 00:22:58,991 --> 00:23:00,701 So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people? 608 00:23:00,701 --> 00:23:02,411 No, the killers were definitely human. 609 00:23:02,411 --> 00:23:04,204 - Killers, plural? - Yeah. 610 00:23:04,204 --> 00:23:06,665 There was different trace DNA on all the bodies, 611 00:23:06,665 --> 00:23:08,792 all from different subjects, and none of them 612 00:23:08,792 --> 00:23:11,211 - were in the system. - Meaning? 613 00:23:11,211 --> 00:23:12,462 The murders were committed by a group of people 614 00:23:12,462 --> 00:23:14,548 with shared beliefs. 615 00:23:14,548 --> 00:23:15,757 A murder cult? 616 00:23:15,757 --> 00:23:18,218 The cult believed a demon named Malaphus 617 00:23:18,218 --> 00:23:20,554 had been possessing people all across the city, 618 00:23:20,554 --> 00:23:24,516 jumping from host to host, and it was up to them to stop it. 619 00:23:24,516 --> 00:23:27,311 {\an8} 620 00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:35,152 {\an8}- The legend of Malaphus is centuries old. 621 00:23:35,152 --> 00:23:38,363 {\an8}The first mention we see of him is 1433's 622 00:23:38,363 --> 00:23:40,574 "Lesser Grimoire of Solomon" 623 00:23:40,574 --> 00:23:44,161 by Slovenian inquisitor Terentius Bruma, 624 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:48,290 a reference text of demons and their attributes. 625 00:23:48,290 --> 00:23:50,417 - Gnarly. - Right? 626 00:23:50,417 --> 00:23:53,420 He's also known as the Deceiver, the Infestor, 627 00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:56,006 and Demon of 300 days. Why? 628 00:23:56,006 --> 00:23:58,342 Once summoned to Earth, Malaphus won't rest 629 00:23:58,342 --> 00:24:00,135 until he finds a human host. 630 00:24:00,135 --> 00:24:03,055 After possession begins, he incubates 631 00:24:03,055 --> 00:24:05,265 300 days. 632 00:24:05,265 --> 00:24:06,808 What happens after 300 days? 633 00:24:06,808 --> 00:24:08,602 He reaches full strength, 634 00:24:08,602 --> 00:24:11,897 and his power becomes uncontainable. 635 00:24:11,897 --> 00:24:13,273 Uh-oh. 636 00:24:14,650 --> 00:24:16,902 Um, if Malaphus was summoned to Earth, 637 00:24:16,902 --> 00:24:18,528 how would one stop him? 638 00:24:18,528 --> 00:24:21,907 Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malaphus down, 639 00:24:21,907 --> 00:24:25,619 forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host, 640 00:24:25,619 --> 00:24:28,413 a process that also can be slowed 641 00:24:28,413 --> 00:24:30,916 by the use of copper. 642 00:24:30,916 --> 00:24:33,585 - It was the pennies. - The pennies. 643 00:24:33,585 --> 00:24:35,128 It all came back to the pennies. 644 00:24:35,128 --> 00:24:38,715 Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper. 645 00:24:38,715 --> 00:24:41,260 So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, 646 00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:42,594 but what about the 1930 part? 647 00:24:42,594 --> 00:24:45,430 Uh, are you familiar with numerology? 648 00:24:46,974 --> 00:24:49,685 Some ancient peoples-- and Taylor Swift-- 649 00:24:49,685 --> 00:24:52,688 believed there was a mystical connection 650 00:24:52,688 --> 00:24:55,482 between letters and numbers. 651 00:24:55,482 --> 00:24:57,651 Using the Chaldean method, the name Malaphus 652 00:24:57,651 --> 00:24:59,736 becomes a digit, 1930. 653 00:24:59,736 --> 00:25:02,280 - So you're saying-- - We had a theory. 654 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,908 Whoever killed those people believed the victims 655 00:25:04,908 --> 00:25:07,077 were possessed by Malaphus. 656 00:25:07,077 --> 00:25:10,831 They had to reach Malaphus's host before 657 00:25:10,831 --> 00:25:12,541 he reached his true form. 658 00:25:12,541 --> 00:25:14,042 A 1930 penny was the perfect tool. 659 00:25:14,042 --> 00:25:16,628 Yeah, Rich's talk of, "it's inside me, 660 00:25:16,628 --> 00:25:18,964 it won't let me die," he thought he was infested 661 00:25:18,964 --> 00:25:20,382 by this demon, too, 662 00:25:20,382 --> 00:25:21,925 and that's why he killed himself. 663 00:25:21,925 --> 00:25:23,427 Wait. 664 00:25:23,427 --> 00:25:24,845 I thought Rich didn't believe in Malaphus. 665 00:25:24,845 --> 00:25:27,139 Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult? 666 00:25:27,139 --> 00:25:29,391 Well, yes, but, I mean, years of obsession and paranoia 667 00:25:29,391 --> 00:25:31,351 can do a number on a person's psyche. 668 00:25:31,351 --> 00:25:32,477 I mean, it seems as though, in the end, 669 00:25:32,477 --> 00:25:34,146 Rich could no longer distinguish 670 00:25:34,146 --> 00:25:35,772 fantasy from reality. 671 00:25:35,772 --> 00:25:37,524 And you got this theory from Rich's files? 672 00:25:37,524 --> 00:25:39,568 Well, I mean, we actually got it from Lopez. 673 00:25:39,568 --> 00:25:42,154 And they say watching old horror movies 674 00:25:42,154 --> 00:25:44,448 isn't a good use of time. 675 00:25:44,448 --> 00:25:46,700 I never said that. 676 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,703 {\an8} 677 00:25:49,703 --> 00:25:53,915 {\an8}♪ ♪ 678 00:25:53,915 --> 00:25:56,126 Are we safe, brother? 679 00:25:56,126 --> 00:25:58,128 Is Malaphus banished? 680 00:25:58,128 --> 00:25:59,880 His sigil is drawn. 681 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,798 The rite is spoken. 682 00:26:01,798 --> 00:26:05,802 We have sealed his last human vessel with copper. 683 00:26:08,764 --> 00:26:12,225 ♪ ♪ 684 00:26:12,225 --> 00:26:14,019 Heaven forgive us. 685 00:26:14,019 --> 00:26:15,979 Indeed. 686 00:26:15,979 --> 00:26:18,023 For hell will not. 687 00:26:19,191 --> 00:26:21,401 Midnight, 688 00:26:21,401 --> 00:26:24,446 the 300th day. 689 00:26:24,446 --> 00:26:27,074 Our task was done none too soon. 690 00:26:30,994 --> 00:26:32,829 ♪ ♪ 691 00:26:36,083 --> 00:26:39,461 ♪ ♪ 692 00:26:42,255 --> 00:26:44,674 ♪ ♪ 693 00:26:47,969 --> 00:26:53,350 ♪ ♪ 694 00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:55,394 - - Yeah, that was me. 695 00:26:57,771 --> 00:26:59,564 - Do you guys want a glass? - No, I'm good. 696 00:26:59,564 --> 00:27:02,067 Oh, you got anything stronger? 697 00:27:02,067 --> 00:27:04,611 Fine. I'll just take a glass. 698 00:27:04,611 --> 00:27:06,655 OK, I'll, just-- I'll have nothing, actually. 699 00:27:06,655 --> 00:27:08,448 No fun for me. 700 00:27:08,448 --> 00:27:12,244 Yeah, that was my first big movie role. 701 00:27:12,244 --> 00:27:15,914 Well, my only one, really. 702 00:27:15,914 --> 00:27:18,792 Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it. 703 00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:20,752 He helped me run lines. 704 00:27:20,752 --> 00:27:22,337 Did Rich buy in to the Malaphus mythology? 705 00:27:22,337 --> 00:27:24,005 No. 706 00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:26,007 Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich 707 00:27:26,007 --> 00:27:29,177 believed in, he was a total atheist. 708 00:27:29,177 --> 00:27:31,096 But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything 709 00:27:31,096 --> 00:27:32,639 that happened on that shoot. 710 00:27:32,639 --> 00:27:34,349 Like what? 711 00:27:35,642 --> 00:27:37,561 Before production wrapped, 712 00:27:37,561 --> 00:27:39,563 the DP was paralyzed driving to set. 713 00:27:39,563 --> 00:27:42,107 A stunt person had his leg amputated. 714 00:27:42,107 --> 00:27:43,984 There were divorces, bankruptcies. 715 00:27:43,984 --> 00:27:45,527 Careers ended. 716 00:27:45,527 --> 00:27:49,573 One of the actors even died in his hotel room. 717 00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:51,533 People say the production was cursed. 718 00:27:51,533 --> 00:27:53,952 What about you? What do you believe? 719 00:27:53,952 --> 00:27:58,248 I believe the real curse was the director. 720 00:27:58,248 --> 00:28:01,168 He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set. 721 00:28:01,168 --> 00:28:03,753 Cut. Cut! 722 00:28:03,753 --> 00:28:06,131 {\an8}Arthur! Arthur! 723 00:28:06,131 --> 00:28:10,010 {\an8}Your strangulation, it has to be real. 724 00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:12,179 I wanna feel the life draining from him. 725 00:28:12,179 --> 00:28:15,891 You, you--you cannot move from your position, 726 00:28:15,891 --> 00:28:17,601 Not even an inch. 727 00:28:17,601 --> 00:28:21,855 Guys, this ritual is extremely specific. 728 00:28:21,855 --> 00:28:23,940 OK? Let's go again. 729 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:25,525 OK, I thought I was choking you pretty well. 730 00:28:25,525 --> 00:28:26,985 I'm sorry. 731 00:28:26,985 --> 00:28:27,819 OK, I'm gonna choke you a little harder. 732 00:28:27,819 --> 00:28:29,613 Ready? 733 00:28:29,613 --> 00:28:31,615 Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff. 734 00:28:31,615 --> 00:28:33,909 I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune, 735 00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:36,828 and this was all based on stories he was told growing up. 736 00:28:36,828 --> 00:28:39,247 OK, but what I heard is that they accidentally 737 00:28:39,247 --> 00:28:41,166 summoned Malaphus for real. 738 00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:42,876 The director found some ancient tome 739 00:28:42,876 --> 00:28:46,254 and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim. 740 00:28:46,254 --> 00:28:47,631 Ooh, I love that. 741 00:28:47,631 --> 00:28:49,132 And that's what got me thinking 742 00:28:49,132 --> 00:28:50,842 about the penny killings. 743 00:28:50,842 --> 00:28:53,762 We found the first victim just a little under 300 days 744 00:28:53,762 --> 00:28:55,805 after the summoning ritual was filmed. 745 00:28:55,805 --> 00:28:58,099 We knew Rich was aware of the Malaphus legends. 746 00:28:58,099 --> 00:29:00,018 It was only natural to link them. 747 00:29:00,018 --> 00:29:02,145 So Rich thought the penny victims were killed by people 748 00:29:02,145 --> 00:29:03,939 trying to stop Malaphus. 749 00:29:03,939 --> 00:29:06,233 Was he able to identify any of these killers? 750 00:29:06,233 --> 00:29:07,442 We know he tried. 751 00:29:08,818 --> 00:29:10,487 - Hi. - Hey. How are you? 752 00:29:10,487 --> 00:29:12,864 - Jared. - Hello. Wow. 753 00:29:12,864 --> 00:29:15,492 Um, it's a--it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. 754 00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:16,910 Pleasure to meet you too. 755 00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:18,411 Why don't you tell us about yourselves? 756 00:29:18,411 --> 00:29:23,041 {\an8}- Yeah, we, uh, co-starred on a TV show together 757 00:29:23,041 --> 00:29:25,418 for 15 seasons 758 00:29:25,418 --> 00:29:27,170 called "Supernatural." 759 00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,339 Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, 760 00:29:29,339 --> 00:29:33,176 brothers that, you know, tracked and fought 761 00:29:33,176 --> 00:29:35,136 supernatural beings. 762 00:29:35,136 --> 00:29:36,805 - Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters." - No. 763 00:29:36,805 --> 00:29:38,098 No, not like that. 764 00:29:38,098 --> 00:29:39,933 I mean, kind of like that. 765 00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:41,142 - No. - Yeah. 766 00:29:41,142 --> 00:29:43,478 OK, can you tell us about your encounter 767 00:29:43,478 --> 00:29:45,272 - with Rich Rowley? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 768 00:29:45,272 --> 00:29:46,982 Rich Rowley. 769 00:29:46,982 --> 00:29:51,653 He came to a fan event we did last year at MonsterCon. 770 00:29:51,653 --> 00:29:53,113 Yeah, you know, most people show up, 771 00:29:53,113 --> 00:29:57,325 and they just want an autograph or a photo. 772 00:29:57,325 --> 00:30:00,912 But Rich was a bit of a different beast altogether. 773 00:30:00,912 --> 00:30:03,123 Yeah, yeah, he was--he was super 774 00:30:03,123 --> 00:30:05,292 fixated on this one particular episode 775 00:30:05,292 --> 00:30:07,669 - where we fought a demon. - Malaphus. 776 00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:09,838 Yeah, uh, that one. 777 00:30:09,838 --> 00:30:14,384 Anyway he seemed to think we, like, knew more 778 00:30:14,384 --> 00:30:16,219 about it than we were saying. 779 00:30:16,219 --> 00:30:16,970 More about what? 780 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:18,847 Demon hunting. 781 00:30:18,847 --> 00:30:21,933 He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions, 782 00:30:21,933 --> 00:30:24,144 like--like he was, I don't know, 783 00:30:24,144 --> 00:30:25,312 testing us or something. 784 00:30:25,312 --> 00:30:27,522 - Did you have an answer? - No. 785 00:30:27,522 --> 00:30:28,815 No, I mean, we didn't-- 786 00:30:28,815 --> 00:30:30,442 we didn't come up with these stories. 787 00:30:30,442 --> 00:30:32,110 You know, we just did what the writers wrote. 788 00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:33,653 It's called acting. 789 00:30:33,653 --> 00:30:35,864 There's no actual demon hunters in real life. 790 00:30:35,864 --> 00:30:37,032 Exactly. 791 00:30:37,032 --> 00:30:38,950 Uh, that's not exactly true. 792 00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:41,119 There is at least one. 793 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,956 And it actually connected to the movie. 794 00:30:44,956 --> 00:30:46,916 We heard the director brought a priest named 795 00:30:46,916 --> 00:30:48,960 Father Simon McCabe to bless the set 796 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,295 every day before filming. 797 00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:51,921 Well, it was either that or the whole crew 798 00:30:51,921 --> 00:30:53,506 was going to walk. 799 00:30:53,506 --> 00:30:56,635 Does that name mean anything to you? 800 00:30:56,635 --> 00:30:58,053 About 15 years ago. 801 00:30:58,053 --> 00:31:00,513 Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years. 802 00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:02,849 We responded to a call at a house. 803 00:31:02,849 --> 00:31:05,393 Priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl. 804 00:31:05,393 --> 00:31:06,519 Had been going on for three days. 805 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,356 Father, no. 806 00:31:09,356 --> 00:31:12,108 Police! 807 00:31:12,108 --> 00:31:13,735 Help her! 808 00:31:13,735 --> 00:31:15,945 Please! 809 00:31:21,368 --> 00:31:24,746 Get away from her! 810 00:31:24,746 --> 00:31:28,500 Father, forgive me. 811 00:31:36,841 --> 00:31:38,009 Did you feel like you'd seen the devil? 812 00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:39,219 The only thing in that room that belonged in hell 813 00:31:39,219 --> 00:31:42,389 - was Father Simon. - He kept saying he had to. 814 00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:44,724 The whole way to the station, "I'm sorry, I had to. 815 00:31:44,724 --> 00:31:46,226 I'm sorry, I had to." 816 00:31:46,226 --> 00:31:48,103 Because he believed she was possessed? 817 00:31:48,103 --> 00:31:49,604 She had a brain tumor. 818 00:31:49,604 --> 00:31:52,148 That's what they found after the autopsy. 819 00:31:52,148 --> 00:31:54,192 She needed a doctor, not an exorcism. 820 00:31:54,192 --> 00:31:56,694 And he wasn't a man of God. He was a killer. 821 00:31:56,694 --> 00:31:58,405 The courts agreed. 822 00:31:58,405 --> 00:32:01,324 So Father Simon was convicted of first-degree murder. 823 00:32:01,324 --> 00:32:03,785 When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket. 824 00:32:03,785 --> 00:32:05,370 Nothing else, just a penny. 825 00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:06,704 It didn't mean anything at the time, 826 00:32:06,704 --> 00:32:08,748 but after Rich connected those seven murders, 827 00:32:08,748 --> 00:32:10,667 it seemed likely he was involved. 828 00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:12,585 Involved like, he killed them? 829 00:32:12,585 --> 00:32:15,088 No, Simon was already in prison when five 830 00:32:15,088 --> 00:32:17,549 of the murders took place, and his DNA didn't match 831 00:32:17,549 --> 00:32:19,592 any that was found on the corpses. 832 00:32:19,592 --> 00:32:21,761 But he could have been part of whatever group 833 00:32:21,761 --> 00:32:23,638 Rich was so afraid of. 834 00:32:23,638 --> 00:32:25,890 Which means he knew more than he had told us. 835 00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:28,268 So we had to go back. 836 00:32:28,268 --> 00:32:31,062 Officers, I remember you. 837 00:32:31,062 --> 00:32:32,897 You--you were the ones who tried to stop the ritual. 838 00:32:32,897 --> 00:32:34,649 Just wish we would have gotten here sooner. 839 00:32:34,649 --> 00:32:36,192 Becca Scott might still be alive. 840 00:32:36,192 --> 00:32:38,653 Oh, she was long gone before you arrived. 841 00:32:38,653 --> 00:32:41,072 - The demon saw to that. - Malaphus? 842 00:32:41,072 --> 00:32:42,657 Shh. 843 00:32:42,657 --> 00:32:44,951 Do not say its name in my presence. 844 00:32:44,951 --> 00:32:47,871 What, are you afraid we might accidentally summon it? 845 00:32:47,871 --> 00:32:50,582 You may scorn me and my beliefs, 846 00:32:50,582 --> 00:32:52,459 but I have fought this evil. 847 00:32:52,459 --> 00:32:54,627 I know enough to fear its power. 848 00:32:54,627 --> 00:32:57,172 What's more evil than murdering a child? 849 00:32:57,172 --> 00:32:59,632 I took no pleasure in the act. 850 00:32:59,632 --> 00:33:01,342 I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary. 851 00:33:01,342 --> 00:33:02,927 Courage? 852 00:33:02,927 --> 00:33:05,513 Tell us about the penny that was in your pocket. 853 00:33:05,513 --> 00:33:07,515 In the movie "300 Days of Hell", 854 00:33:07,515 --> 00:33:09,601 Malaphus is sealed inside his host with copper 855 00:33:09,601 --> 00:33:11,311 before he can be killed-- 856 00:33:11,311 --> 00:33:13,396 Uh, banished, not killed. 857 00:33:13,396 --> 00:33:15,148 What's the difference? 858 00:33:15,148 --> 00:33:18,318 The demon is a parasite. 859 00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:19,861 It needs a host. 860 00:33:19,861 --> 00:33:21,654 Once you kill the body that inhabits it, 861 00:33:21,654 --> 00:33:23,490 it'll find a new one. 862 00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:27,327 Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war. 863 00:33:27,327 --> 00:33:31,664 If you're in here, who's doing the fighting now? 864 00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:33,958 The Knights of Avila. 865 00:33:33,958 --> 00:33:35,960 Los Angeles has a long history 866 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,546 of spiritualism, esoteric religions 867 00:33:38,546 --> 00:33:40,131 that go back over 100 years. 868 00:33:40,131 --> 00:33:43,009 So think Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, 869 00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:45,011 - L. Ron Hubbard. - He freaking loves this stuff. 870 00:33:45,011 --> 00:33:46,596 I do. 871 00:33:46,596 --> 00:33:48,556 Anyway, a lot of these groups started out 872 00:33:48,556 --> 00:33:51,267 as fraternal orders, similar to the Freemasons, 873 00:33:51,267 --> 00:33:53,228 where people would gather and--and--share-- 874 00:33:53,228 --> 00:33:54,521 - Men. - Well, yeah. 875 00:33:54,521 --> 00:33:56,981 Yes, and-- and some women. 876 00:33:56,981 --> 00:34:00,109 And they would share new ideas, explore philosophies. 877 00:34:00,109 --> 00:34:03,196 They also liked partying, doing drugs, 878 00:34:03,196 --> 00:34:05,782 and performing weird sex rituals. 879 00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:08,409 Sign me up. 880 00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:11,788 For the intellectual exchanging of ideas, obviously. 881 00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:13,206 So the Knights of Avila is one of these groups? 882 00:34:13,206 --> 00:34:14,958 It was. 883 00:34:14,958 --> 00:34:16,584 Like a lot of the similar organizations at the time, 884 00:34:16,584 --> 00:34:18,127 it fell apart when the founder died. 885 00:34:18,127 --> 00:34:19,212 It hasn't been active in-- 886 00:34:19,212 --> 00:34:20,922 60 years? 887 00:34:20,922 --> 00:34:22,841 Then what was Father Simon talking about? 888 00:34:22,841 --> 00:34:25,843 Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with Father Simon, 889 00:34:25,843 --> 00:34:27,679 we began to believe that the group, 890 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,139 or at least the name, 891 00:34:30,139 --> 00:34:32,642 had been revived sometime in the late '90s 892 00:34:32,642 --> 00:34:35,520 to the early 2000s and re-branded 893 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,439 as some kind of demon hunting cult. 894 00:34:38,439 --> 00:34:40,775 So Rich was actually right. 895 00:34:40,775 --> 00:34:42,944 There was a murderous cabal after him. 896 00:34:42,944 --> 00:34:44,237 It seemed that way, 897 00:34:44,237 --> 00:34:46,364 and we were getting close 898 00:34:46,364 --> 00:34:48,575 to discovering who their ringleader was. 899 00:34:48,575 --> 00:34:51,494 - - I found him. 900 00:34:51,494 --> 00:34:53,746 - Found who? - Doug Roberts. 901 00:34:53,746 --> 00:34:55,790 I wanna feel the life draining from him! 902 00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:57,417 Oh, you mean the director of the sad little demon porn? 903 00:34:57,417 --> 00:34:58,793 Where? 904 00:34:58,793 --> 00:35:00,378 I was going through some old industry trades 905 00:35:00,378 --> 00:35:02,922 from around the time "THDOH" was slated to come out. 906 00:35:02,922 --> 00:35:05,133 One of the articles mentioned that Roberts 907 00:35:05,133 --> 00:35:06,301 was a client of Stewart Winecliff 908 00:35:06,301 --> 00:35:07,927 at the Golden Talent Agency. 909 00:35:07,927 --> 00:35:09,554 The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years. 910 00:35:09,554 --> 00:35:10,847 I doubt they still rep him. 911 00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:12,807 Not actively, no. 912 00:35:12,807 --> 00:35:14,684 But I called their offices, and I bribed-- 913 00:35:14,684 --> 00:35:16,853 or like, I talked one of the assistants into giving me 914 00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:18,563 the address where his residual checks are sent. 915 00:35:18,563 --> 00:35:20,148 It's downtown. Let's go. 916 00:35:20,148 --> 00:35:21,858 Uh, hold on. 917 00:35:21,858 --> 00:35:23,318 You just wanna go doorstep the guy? 918 00:35:23,318 --> 00:35:24,569 If that means go knock on a door 919 00:35:24,569 --> 00:35:26,195 while also filming, then yes. 920 00:35:26,195 --> 00:35:28,406 Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism. 921 00:35:28,406 --> 00:35:31,492 What about the business of making that paper? 922 00:35:31,492 --> 00:35:32,994 The guap? 923 00:35:32,994 --> 00:35:34,871 Money, guy. 924 00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:37,123 Come on, the doc business is over-saturated these days. 925 00:35:37,123 --> 00:35:39,667 We need footage that P-O-Ps, 926 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:41,127 and what pops more than blindsiding 927 00:35:41,127 --> 00:35:43,630 a potential cult leader? 928 00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:44,672 Come on. 929 00:35:44,672 --> 00:35:46,299 What's the worst that could happen? 930 00:35:47,842 --> 00:35:50,470 - This is it. - OK. 931 00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:52,305 Um, here. Here's your camera. 932 00:35:52,305 --> 00:35:54,182 Um, I don't operate. 933 00:35:54,182 --> 00:35:55,266 Oh, well. 934 00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:58,061 ♪ ♪ 935 00:35:58,061 --> 00:36:01,606 Now, you do. 936 00:36:01,606 --> 00:36:03,900 Let's go. 937 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,486 - What floor is it on? - Eight. 938 00:36:06,486 --> 00:36:08,905 But there's an elevator. Don't worry. 939 00:36:14,786 --> 00:36:17,956 - Are you sure it's that way? - Yep. 940 00:36:17,956 --> 00:36:19,582 Nope. 941 00:36:19,582 --> 00:36:23,002 You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat, 942 00:36:23,002 --> 00:36:25,004 you do understand that this is inherently 943 00:36:25,004 --> 00:36:27,548 neither a wise nor safe activity? 944 00:36:27,548 --> 00:36:29,759 You're asking a woman if she understands 945 00:36:29,759 --> 00:36:33,388 that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything? 946 00:36:33,388 --> 00:36:36,265 When you put it that way, I sound like an ass. 947 00:36:36,265 --> 00:36:37,350 Yeah. 948 00:36:39,977 --> 00:36:41,521 Maybe we should come back? 949 00:36:41,521 --> 00:36:43,940 Hey. Hello. 950 00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:45,692 Douglas Roberts, we're here to question you 951 00:36:45,692 --> 00:36:47,902 about murders and demons. 952 00:36:47,902 --> 00:36:50,154 That should get his attention. 953 00:36:50,154 --> 00:36:51,781 Oh. 954 00:36:51,781 --> 00:36:54,158 I am just an intern. 955 00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:02,625 So clearly we're not deceased, which means-- 956 00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:04,210 We saved you from certain death. 957 00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:05,628 I'm not sure how certain it was, right? 958 00:37:05,628 --> 00:37:07,255 Oh, it felt pretty certain to me. 959 00:37:07,255 --> 00:37:08,673 Please don't kill us. 960 00:37:08,673 --> 00:37:10,174 We will join your cult. Is there a membership fee 961 00:37:10,174 --> 00:37:11,801 or a secret handshake? 962 00:37:11,801 --> 00:37:13,052 - I love a secret handshake. - Ignore her. 963 00:37:13,052 --> 00:37:14,554 She's not right in the head. 964 00:37:14,554 --> 00:37:16,347 In fact, she has short-term memory issues. 965 00:37:16,347 --> 00:37:18,141 So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this. 966 00:37:18,141 --> 00:37:19,934 Just shut up. No one's going anywhere. 967 00:37:19,934 --> 00:37:21,185 I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere. 968 00:37:25,773 --> 00:37:28,192 All right, let them go. Put your hands up. 969 00:37:28,192 --> 00:37:31,821 {\an8}Up against the Jeep, now. Let's go. 970 00:37:34,824 --> 00:37:36,617 ♪ ♪ 971 00:37:36,617 --> 00:37:38,870 Oh, hey. 972 00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:41,456 Thanks for trying to save me, even though 973 00:37:41,456 --> 00:37:43,249 I'm the one who put us in danger. 974 00:37:43,249 --> 00:37:44,959 No problem. 975 00:37:44,959 --> 00:37:46,961 I was about to do the same thing, but you just 976 00:37:46,961 --> 00:37:48,504 beat me to it. 977 00:37:48,504 --> 00:37:50,715 - I can be noble, too. - No doubt. 978 00:37:50,715 --> 00:37:52,925 Uh, I get very claustrophobic. 979 00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:55,011 Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please? 980 00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:57,430 So when did you and Douglas meet? 981 00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:58,765 In the movie. 982 00:37:58,765 --> 00:38:02,518 He was, you know, so commanding and driven 983 00:38:02,518 --> 00:38:04,395 and everything I wasn't. 984 00:38:04,395 --> 00:38:06,564 When did he start talking about killing the demon? 985 00:38:06,564 --> 00:38:08,858 It was, uh, at least a year after that. 986 00:38:08,858 --> 00:38:11,527 He would call me late at night 987 00:38:11,527 --> 00:38:13,613 and talk about the demon and how scared 988 00:38:13,613 --> 00:38:15,156 he was for the world, 989 00:38:15,156 --> 00:38:17,784 and eventually it started to make sense. 990 00:38:17,784 --> 00:38:20,953 And he told you that someone was possessed? 991 00:38:20,953 --> 00:38:22,914 Correct. Her name was Cynthia. 992 00:38:22,914 --> 00:38:24,582 Um, 993 00:38:24,582 --> 00:38:27,460 she cried when I tied her up, and she kept saying 994 00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:29,879 that she was not a demon. 995 00:38:29,879 --> 00:38:31,672 She begged me to believe her, and-- 996 00:38:35,885 --> 00:38:39,097 At that point, he was very deep in my head. 997 00:38:39,097 --> 00:38:41,516 And then tonight, you know, all the lies 998 00:38:41,516 --> 00:38:43,684 he was spewing at the end, 999 00:38:43,684 --> 00:38:45,520 it was like somebody turned on a light switch. 1000 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,147 I could just see him for who he was. 1001 00:38:48,147 --> 00:38:49,732 So pathetic. 1002 00:38:52,735 --> 00:38:55,279 We'll need you to write up a detailed confession. 1003 00:38:59,992 --> 00:39:01,744 I would like to make a deal. 1004 00:39:03,454 --> 00:39:06,040 Uh, we have already located your co-conspirators. 1005 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,210 You don't really have anything to offer. 1006 00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:12,338 You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like? 1007 00:39:14,006 --> 00:39:17,760 I am all that stands between the world 1008 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,345 and damnation. 1009 00:39:19,345 --> 00:39:21,222 So all of the people that you had targeted, 1010 00:39:21,222 --> 00:39:25,017 they had to die for the greater good? 1011 00:39:25,017 --> 00:39:28,771 Yes, and my heart breaks for each of them. 1012 00:39:28,771 --> 00:39:31,816 But I will not let innocents fall to perdition. 1013 00:39:31,816 --> 00:39:33,943 OK, have you had your fill of BS? 1014 00:39:33,943 --> 00:39:35,111 God, yes. 1015 00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:36,195 OK, me, too. 1016 00:39:36,195 --> 00:39:40,575 So, uh, first victim, Cynthia Green. 1017 00:39:40,575 --> 00:39:42,827 You dated for two years before she cheated on you. 1018 00:39:42,827 --> 00:39:45,788 Marcus Ford, he worked as a teamster on your movie, 1019 00:39:45,788 --> 00:39:48,583 then later sued you for nonpayment. 1020 00:39:48,583 --> 00:39:52,837 Pamela Jones wrote a scathing review of your movie. 1021 00:39:52,837 --> 00:39:54,005 Really? I-- 1022 00:39:54,005 --> 00:39:56,090 I had no idea. 1023 00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:59,468 All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way. 1024 00:39:59,468 --> 00:40:01,345 You don't even believe in the demon. 1025 00:40:01,345 --> 00:40:03,389 You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds 1026 00:40:03,389 --> 00:40:05,266 to do your dirty work for you. 1027 00:40:07,393 --> 00:40:09,187 Exactly. 1028 00:40:09,187 --> 00:40:10,813 I was the director. 1029 00:40:10,813 --> 00:40:13,107 I think you'll find I never laid a finger 1030 00:40:13,107 --> 00:40:14,942 on any of the victims. 1031 00:40:14,942 --> 00:40:18,404 And I think you will find that Manson died in prison. 1032 00:40:18,404 --> 00:40:20,573 ♪ ♪ 1033 00:40:20,573 --> 00:40:22,116 All right. 1034 00:40:22,116 --> 00:40:23,618 Uh, anything else? 1035 00:40:23,618 --> 00:40:25,536 No, I think we got everything. 1036 00:40:25,536 --> 00:40:27,663 OK. 1037 00:40:27,663 --> 00:40:29,999 - That was a crazy one, huh? - Tell me about it. 1038 00:40:29,999 --> 00:40:32,168 And look, thanks so much for all of your time, 1039 00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:33,794 and for saving our lives. 1040 00:40:33,794 --> 00:40:35,338 Anything for my favorite documentarian. 1041 00:40:35,338 --> 00:40:36,631 Actually, the only documentarian I know. 1042 00:40:36,631 --> 00:40:37,715 Not true. 1043 00:40:37,715 --> 00:40:39,926 - I'm a documentarian too. - Of course. 1044 00:40:39,926 --> 00:40:42,803 Yes--oh, speaking of, how did this whole 1045 00:40:42,803 --> 00:40:44,805 working together thing go? 1046 00:40:44,805 --> 00:40:47,058 Is this the start of a beautiful friendship? 1047 00:40:47,058 --> 00:40:48,768 I don't know. 1048 00:40:48,768 --> 00:40:50,478 I mean, we have very different styles 1049 00:40:50,478 --> 00:40:52,980 and instincts and, well, basically everything, 1050 00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:55,441 but I'd be open to another collaboration. 1051 00:40:57,610 --> 00:41:00,696 Oh, um, it's just I-- 1052 00:41:00,696 --> 00:41:03,824 I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu? 1053 00:41:03,824 --> 00:41:05,910 What? 1054 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:07,662 Yeah, I--I sent them a sizzle reel of this project, 1055 00:41:07,662 --> 00:41:10,539 just the me parts, and they freaked. 1056 00:41:10,539 --> 00:41:12,249 Said I'm gonna be "the new face of true crime." 1057 00:41:12,249 --> 00:41:13,834 - Their words. - Wow. 1058 00:41:13,834 --> 00:41:16,212 I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, 1059 00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:17,255 though, right? 1060 00:41:17,255 --> 00:41:20,174 Oh, totally. Totally. 1061 00:41:22,051 --> 00:41:25,763 I gotta go, but thanks again. Hello. 1062 00:41:25,763 --> 00:41:28,432 No, I said Toronto and then Cannes. 1063 00:41:30,393 --> 00:41:32,395 She'll probably call you. 1064 00:41:32,395 --> 00:41:33,396 No. 1065 00:41:33,396 --> 00:41:34,480 ♪ ♪ 1066 00:41:41,404 --> 00:41:48,452 ♪ ♪ 1067 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,476 Damn it.