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MAN: Before we get into
the deep stuff, let's just talk,
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let's give some basics.
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Remember, when you're answering
these questions,
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I'm not in the shot
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and they're never gonna hear
my voice.
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Oh, boy. OK.
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WOMAN: The first
word that I would use to
describe Jeffrey Epstein
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other than a predator
is 'mysterious'.
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How did he become so wealthy?
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How did he ingratiate
himself into the exact
right social circles?
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How did he get away without
being caught for so long?
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(GIRLS LAUGH)
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WOMAN: I never
could have anticipated
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how diabolical
Jeffrey Epstein was.
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MAN: There's something
deeply fucked up with you.
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At least something.
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We know there are things
deeply fucked up
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you will get through
in this film, right?
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MAN: Where I come from
you don't kill my brother
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and walk away from that.
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What are the Epstein files?
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WOMAN: The Epstein files
are all the information
that the government has
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regarding Jeffrey Epstein
and his co-conspirators.
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MAN: Photographic evidence,
interviews of victims.
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MAN 2: Emails written to him,
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tMAN 3: Court.
documents, FBI reports.
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And it is much more expansive
than you had ever even imagined.
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MAN 4: People want to see names.
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They want to know
who the sex traffickers are.
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They want to know who
the paedophiles are
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and they want vengeance.
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WOMAN: Do you know the names
of powerful people
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who have not yet
been named publicly?
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Yes.
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Congressman Khanna!
Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...
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Nice to see you.
..from Australia.
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Why do you think
it's a fight that has united
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a very divided
political spectrum here?
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You can't rape underage girls.
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You can't cover that up.
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MAN: Trump opened
up Pandora's box.
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He thought that he could crack
it open slightly and shut it.
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But the curse
is not going back into the box.
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WOMAN: I don't understand why
the President fought it so hard.
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Releasing the Epstein files
is about revealing
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all of that dirty, nasty,
horrible things that happened.
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Why would he cover this up?
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MAN: I think he's protecting
rich and powerful men
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who participated
in sex trafficking.
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REPORTER: 3 million pages,
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180,000 images.
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The latest dump
from the Epstein files
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after weeks of
political pressure.
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That moment
created global shock waves.
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REPORTER: A day of extreme
jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.
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REPORTER 2: Norway's
Crown Princess is
facing intense scrutiny.
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REPORTER 3: Extraordinary news
out of the UK.
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The former Prince Andrew
has been arrested.
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WOMAN: The Epstein files
are part of the Epstein story.
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You have to understand how
the Epstein files fit in
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to what Epstein was doing,
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and the failures of the US
government in doing their job.
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WOMAN: The Epstein story
has one man at its centre,
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one spider in the
centre of the web.
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But that web could not
have been constructed
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without complicity.
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Do you think
you're the devil himself?
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No. But I do have a good mirror.
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NEWSREADER: We are going to turn
now to the debate in Washington
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over the release
of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
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Today, a group of survivors
of the Epstein controversy
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will be here on Capitol Hill.
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Urgent new calls for
transparency from
Epstein survivors,
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24 of whom are now
re-upping their demand
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that Congress release
all of the Epstein files.
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WOMAN: It's an
honour to stand here
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for something America
is finally united on -
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the immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.
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There's approximately
1,200 women that were
victims of Jeffrey Epstein
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and they say other men.
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They've wanted justice and
they fought very hard for it.
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WOMAN: We are more than victims.
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We are mothers, daughters,
sisters, friends.
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And we will not be erased.
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MAN: Some of these women
have been at this 20 years.
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Some of them had, I believe,
almost given up.
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But the fact that they
were invited to the capital
of the United States
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and that every media outlet,
you know, showed up, they're
renewed in their efforts.
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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein.
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A lot of us, it was
the first time that we
had spoken publicly.
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My name is Dani Bensky.
This was me at 17 years old.
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So we were just kind of standing
in solidarity with each other
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and saying to the world,
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like, "There's more of us
than you thought."
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My name is Marina Lacerda.
I was minor victim one.
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My name is Gena-Lisa Jones
and I was only 14 years old.
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My name is Chauntae Davis.
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My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
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My name is Haley Robson.
My name is Anoushka De Georgiou.
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My name is Courtney Wild.
My name is Lisa Phillips.
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My name is Ashley Rubright
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and I am a survivor of Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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When you're a survivor of abuse
from a serial predator,
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you just have this bond
with the other survivors.
We understand each other
like nobody else can.
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WOMAN: It's been a tremendous
mountain to move to get here.
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It took an incredible outcry
from the public,
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huge political will,
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aAnd that's many, many tears
from the survivors to get here.
So we're just heading in
to meet with Ashley Rubright,
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whoAnd she's only just started
speaking out publicly
about what happened to her.
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We're this house here.
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Hi, Ashley. How are you?
Good. How are you?
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It's nice to meet you.
So nice to meet you. Come in.
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Thank you so much for having us.
Of course.
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Oh, it's still very Christmassy
in here, isn't it?
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Yes.
(LAUGHS)
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When did you meet
Jeffrey Epstein?
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So it was about 2002 to 2003
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and I would have
been...about 15.
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I was going to
Summit Christian School.
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I was a cheerleader.
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I was in dance,
like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
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Um, I was working
at a barbecue restaurant
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and one of my coworkers,
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he asked me one day
in the restaurant
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if I would like to give a man
a massage for $200.
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I thought about it for a second
and said, "Sure."
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I just remember pulling
into his house in Palm Beach.
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And we were led
into the kitchen.
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And then Sarah Kellen came in,
his assistant.
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Said it was time.
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Then Sarah, she's the one
that led me upstairs.
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I didn't look around.
I was just looking down.
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So all I remember was the pink
carpet on the spiral staircase.
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And she opened the door
and said, "Alright, I'll
be back in an hour."
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I was shocked when I walked
into the bathroom.
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But then I calmed myself down,
thinking,
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"Of course, he's naked because
that's how people get massages
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"and I should just
not be so shocked."
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He just kind of
laid on the table.
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And then he told me
how to massage him.
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Then he flipped over.
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And...
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That's... Things got...
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..really way more inappropriate
there.
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And he asked me to...
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..to take off my bra and...
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..to pull up my skirt
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and...
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He was touching himself
the whole time.
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I was just trying not to look.
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And he would grab me,
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grab my behind and...
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I was just trying to
not be there, you know,
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at that time.
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And...
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..he finished and hopped up.
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And...
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..then Sarah came in
and led me back downstairs.
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I felt shocked.
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And then I remember...
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..trying to rationalise it.
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It had to have just been
like a fluke, a one time...
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..thing that he just
couldn't control.
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I did go back one more time.
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The second time, it escalated.
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I just remembered Jeffrey
bringing over a basket
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and asking me to pick
one and asking me if
I knew how to use it.
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And...
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..he had me sit
on the bathroom floor
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and he sat on the edge
of the massage table.
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And I remember what happened.
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A basket of sex toys?
Yes.
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Thank you for saying that.
Yeah. That's OK.
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So this was 2000.
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And these are all just,
like, happy messages.
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I read some of my yearbooks
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and it was such
a drastic change.
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Right after Jeffrey,
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the messages, even my face.
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Everything had started
to just look darker.
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This one says, "We had fun
when you're not so mad."
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or, "You're sweet
when you're not mad." Yeah.
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I was angry, and I...
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..I didn't care who got
the brunt of it, at all.
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Yeah.
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I stopped cheerleading,
I stopped dance.
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And I kind of went from, like...
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..trying to do good
to just not caring.
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Did you tell anyone
what happened to you?
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Just my friend Sean
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but nobody else.
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I didn't think there was a story
to tell, really, you know?
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MAN: Mr Epstein, is it true you
were born January 20th, 1953?
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Yes.
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Where?
New York.
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Where in New York.
Brooklyn.
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Hey, Adam.
Hi, Grace.
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How are you?
Pleasure to meet you.
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Nice to meet you too. Thanks
so much for doing this with us.
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My pleasure, my pleasure.
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Adam, can you tell me
a bit about yourself?
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Well, I've been a legal
journalist for close
to two decades now,
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and the Southern District of
New York was my long-time beat.
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So you see a lot of cases
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of national and
international significance
going into that court.
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And one of them just happened
to be Epstein's.
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We are in Coney Island.
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Coney Island, Brooklyn.
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We're right near
where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
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And this is actually
the Sea Gate community
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in the distance right there,
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Jeffrey Epstein's
childhood home.
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Jeffrey Epstein had
a modest upbringing
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in an immigrant community
in Brooklyn.
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His father worked at the New
York City Parks Department.
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His mother worked at a school.
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And he had a younger brother,
Mark.
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He had a lifelong fascination
with math
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and by all accounts,
was pretty good at it.
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This is The Dalton Prep School.
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It is where he
got his first job.
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Even though he was
a college dropout,
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his first job was at
a very prestigious school
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where he was a math teacher.
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One of the parents of a student
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introduced him to
the CEO of Bear Stearns,
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a man named Ace Greenberg,
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where he got his first job
on Wall Street.
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(GENERAL STOCK MARKET CHATTER)
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We are on Wall Street,
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where Jeffrey Epstein
made his fortune.
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He was, by all accounts,
very charming.
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Jeffrey Epstein tried to,
throughout his life,
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make connections with people
with money and power.
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He was able to get people
to trust him very quickly.
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He won the trust of billionaires
like Leslie Wexner,
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who gave him power of attorney.
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He won the trust of Leon Black,
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who paid him
hundreds of millions of dollars,
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far above the market rate.
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And from there, uh,
there is a lot of mystery,
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but we're getting a picture
more and more
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of him finagling people,
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uh, wheeling and dealing,
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and ultimately became
fabulously wealthy.
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This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper
East Side townhouse mansion
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and the famous, uh,
lantern over the door.
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He had a massage room in there.
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He had the dining room,
where he entertained.
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I mean, the photos
really do tell the story.
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Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine
Maxwell in the early 1990s.
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As the daughter of a media
tycoon, with a British accent,
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she brought something that
Jeffrey Epstein didn't have -
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access to the elite.
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Have you got drinks?
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They socialised with politicians
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with big names in academia,
finance, you name it.
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Whether it was the man known
at the time as Prince Andrew.
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Or whether it was
former president Bill Clinton.
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He had his private island
in the US Virgin Islands,
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a ranch outside of Santa Fe,
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property in Palm Beach
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and in Paris.
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He was flaunting his
jet-setting lifestyle
and his massive wealth.
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JEFFREY EPSTEIN: Look at me
like you love me.
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I can't wait.
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OK, so now I'm walking towards
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the lily pond.
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I'm here on the beach by myself.
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This is my swimming
pool - my beach.
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No-one's allowed to dock here.
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The luncheon place.
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The nursery.
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At the point there
is the library.
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PHILLIPS: It's an honour
to stand here again
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for something
America is finally united on.
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The immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.
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So these are just
my modelling pictures.
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Mm-hm.
Like, when I started out.
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This is when I was 17.
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I would send these to modelling
agencies to get started.
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I was a fashion
model in New York,
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had worked my way up
since I was 15 or 16 years old.
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So this was from the actual week
I met Jeffrey.
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Ah.
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The year 2000 and I had booked,
like, a really big job.
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Our agent at the time, Jeff,
sent us to Tortola
on the Caribbean Sea.
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Tortola was a small island.
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There was really not that much
to do there.
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So the other model was
like, "You know, we have
a free day tomorrow."
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She suggested we
go see her friend, you
know, Jeffrey Epstein,
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that owned an island nearby.
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Yeah, we were both,
like maybe 22 years old.
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Spent the day just,
like, playing in the
pool, in the ocean.
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And there I met
two other young blonde girls.
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Went to dinner that evening,
and I met Jeffrey Epstein.
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He was laser focused on me
298
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and asking so many questions
about my childhood
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and my dreams and aspirations.
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I had told him in that time
that we had shared on the island
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that I wanted to
be a Ford model,
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and I kind of built up
this trust with this man.
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Getting ready to go to
sleep, there just was
a knock at the door,
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and one of the other young girls
poked her head in and was like,
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"Jeffrey's ready
for his massage now."
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And I'm just like, "OK, well,
you go ahead, I'm going to bed."
307
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And she was just like,
"No, he said for you
to give the massage."
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Long story short,
like, I just had to go.
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And so I experienced, you know,
sexual abuse that evening, um,
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from Jeffrey and the other girl
that was there.
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I think when you're younger,
you always blame yourself.
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Like, "What did I do?
Was I flirting with this guy?"
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Like, I went home and
I wanted nothing to do
with him after that.
314
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And a few months had passed
and he called me.
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A lot of my modelling castings
would be here in Soho.
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Right up here, when I was
walking, right up here
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was where I got the call
from Jeffrey.
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He was very brief and to the
point that he had remembered,
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you know, my goals and ambitions
that I told him on the island -
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that I wanted to be a Ford
model, big dream of mine,
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and that he knew the owner
of the Ford Modelling Agency
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and for me to go over there
and meet with her.
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And I was just thinking,
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whatever happened to me
on the island wasn't good,
325
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but maybe he was trying
to make up for it,
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you know, by saying,
"I remember your goal,
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"well, I can help you out."
328
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During that time,
329
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were you ever abused
by Epstein again
330
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or any men in his orbit?
331
00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:40,092
So, yeah, I was
abused by him again.
332
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And through his connections
333
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where he would sent me
on auditions and things.
334
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But back then, I wasn't aware
that I was trafficked.
335
00:22:50,969 --> 00:22:55,040
Can you explain a bit more
about how the trafficking
operation worked?
336
00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:57,843
Well, auditions are castings
by Epstein.
337
00:22:57,943 --> 00:22:59,544
So it's like,
"Oh, let me just send you.
338
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"My friend is casting
a really big film right now."
339
00:23:02,647 --> 00:23:04,216
And you're sent somewhere
340
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where all of a sudden
you're propositioned for sex
341
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and the people around you
are enforcing it.
342
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Just thought it
was the business.
343
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Just thought I was going to a
casting and audition, working,
344
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and that's kind of how some of
the older men were, just creepy.
345
00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:25,270
And I never connected it
to a more nefarious ring
346
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:28,273
that involved modelling agencies
and Epstein.
347
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There were hundreds of
girls from these Eastern
European countries
348
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sent to Paris, sent to New York.
349
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You know, they were doing quite
abusive things to these models.
350
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It was like a
well-oiled machine.
351
00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:48,427
Fast forward a few years later,
352
00:23:48,527 --> 00:23:53,131
I had a girlfriend who was also
involved in this Epstein world.
353
00:23:54,199 --> 00:23:56,134
She had came to me one evening
and said that
354
00:23:56,234 --> 00:23:58,170
Jeffrey had made
her go into a room,
355
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,739
made to go have
sex with somebody
356
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,676
and so she at that
time was scared.
357
00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,878
I became scared,
and we kind of...
358
00:24:06,978 --> 00:24:08,980
..both kind of moved out
of New York at that time
359
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,184
and I never saw him again after
that 'cause I was scared.
360
00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:25,430
KLASFELD: Jeffrey
Epstein's trail of sexual
abuse happened globally.
361
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However, Palm Beach
was the centre, in many
ways, of the sexual abuse
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00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:35,674
and where his crimes
were originally investigated.
363
00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:47,085
Hey there. We're just
driving around Palm Beach.
364
00:24:47,185 --> 00:24:48,987
Is there any way to get through
or no?
365
00:24:49,087 --> 00:24:50,489
No, not...
Is this closed?
366
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:52,991
Yeah. OK. Alright.
Just wanted to check.
367
00:24:53,091 --> 00:24:54,793
Why is it closed?
368
00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:57,496
Because Trump's in town.
369
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,469
So I'm Holly Baltz.
370
00:25:04,569 --> 00:25:09,641
I'm a retired investigations
editor from the Palm Beach Post.
371
00:25:09,741 --> 00:25:11,476
Just newly retired.
372
00:25:12,811 --> 00:25:18,049
We, as in the Post, covered
Epstein from the very beginning.
373
00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:27,025
I never could have anticipated
how big this case got to be.
374
00:25:29,427 --> 00:25:32,731
Palm Beach Police first started
investigating Jeffrey Epstein
375
00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:36,535
when the stepmother
of a ninth grader
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00:25:36,635 --> 00:25:38,603
at Royal Palm Beach High School
reported
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00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:43,241
that a wealthy man had molested
her daughter in March of 2005.
378
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:47,178
This is the east/west route
379
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,248
that goes past
Royal Palm Beach High School.
380
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:55,120
You know, it wasn't just
the one girl.
381
00:25:56,388 --> 00:26:01,359
Police found that a number
of victims were recruited here.
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00:26:04,095 --> 00:26:06,765
They started
interviewing more girls,
383
00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:10,168
and every time they did, it was
like peeling back an onion.
384
00:26:22,781 --> 00:26:26,618
Not only were the girls getting
sexually abused themselves,
385
00:26:26,718 --> 00:26:30,488
but he also offered to pay them
if they'd bring their friends.
386
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,792
Um, and these were girls
who didn't have a lot of money.
387
00:26:37,395 --> 00:26:41,366
KLASFELD: During
Jeffrey Epstein's first
criminal investigation,
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00:26:41,466 --> 00:26:44,836
many of the survivors
started finding lawyers
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00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:50,108
who were willing to bring
their stories forward
and file lawsuits.
390
00:26:50,208 --> 00:26:54,279
MAN: I first got involved
in the Epstein matter
back in about 2006.
391
00:26:55,714 --> 00:27:00,118
I was working at a litigation
firm here in Palm Beach County
392
00:27:00,218 --> 00:27:03,955
and a young girl walked
into our office with her parents
393
00:27:08,994 --> 00:27:10,895
and told a crazy story about
a rich man on Palm Beach Island
that had paid her about $200
394
00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:12,797
to go to the home
and give him a massage
395
00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:15,834
that turned into a
sexually explicit and
inappropriate massage.
396
00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:19,270
Initially,
I didn't quite believe her,
397
00:27:19,371 --> 00:27:21,940
to be perfectly honest,
it sounded pretty incredible.
398
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,643
But once I interviewed
the police detective
399
00:27:24,743 --> 00:27:26,678
that was conducting
the investigation,
400
00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:28,179
I realised that this was real.
401
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:33,118
Michael Reiter was the chief
of police back at the time.
402
00:27:33,218 --> 00:27:35,654
And Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator.
403
00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:40,025
Correct?
404
00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:41,760
OK. You were like the houseman?
405
00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:46,564
What can you tell me about that?
406
00:27:52,437 --> 00:27:54,739
So he can massage in
the morning, massage
in the afternoon.
407
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,174
And besides that...
408
00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:58,710
OK.
409
00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:00,211
And actually...
410
00:28:03,581 --> 00:28:07,018
BALTZ: As police officers
gathered the evidence,
411
00:28:07,118 --> 00:28:11,356
Epstein put together
a huge team of...
412
00:28:11,456 --> 00:28:14,125
It was like a dream team.
413
00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:26,471
and attorneys who,
uh, were very aggressive.torneys
KUVIN: It is widely
reported that Jeffrey
Epstein and his legal team
414
00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:29,874
had some of the victims
followed by blacked-out SUVs,
415
00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:33,678
uh, you know, showed...
showing up at their houses.
416
00:28:33,778 --> 00:28:36,848
But they were also investigating
the lead investigator, Joe.
417
00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:38,750
And I asked to meet him.
418
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:43,154
So he picked a Starbucks
in downtown West Palm Beach.
419
00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:45,423
And when I sat down and
I started talking to him,
420
00:28:45,523 --> 00:28:47,792
his head was on a swivel
and he kept looking around.
421
00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,961
And I said, "What are you...
what are you doing?"
422
00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:53,298
And I'll never forget,
he looks at me and he says,
423
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:57,302
"You have no idea
what they're doing to me."
424
00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,771
They had been digging
through his personal trash,
425
00:28:59,871 --> 00:29:01,139
and he said to me,
426
00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,676
"I've never seen this kind
of an operation before."
427
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:16,521
But Palm Beach Police, they were
very dogged in pursuing Epstein.
428
00:29:16,621 --> 00:29:19,357
We're police officers
of Palm Beach County, Florida.
429
00:29:19,457 --> 00:29:21,659
They kept amassing victims.
430
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,596
The premises occupied or under
the control of Jeffrey Epstein.
431
00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:26,931
White male. Date
of birth 1/20/53.
432
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,670
KLASFELD: When the first
criminal investigation
of Jeffrey Epstein
433
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,472
was going on,
434
00:29:34,572 --> 00:29:38,176
it had originally seemed like
something that could sustain
435
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:40,779
an indictment with
dozens of counts,
436
00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:45,150
that Palm Beach Police were
building a very strong case.
437
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,086
But when the entire case
was packaged up
438
00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:50,221
and given to the
state attorney...
439
00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:54,025
..the state attorney here
in Palm Beach at the time
440
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,394
decided not to file charges.
441
00:29:56,494 --> 00:30:01,032
Chief of Police Michael
Reiter was so upset at
the lack of prosecution
442
00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:02,567
on the state level
443
00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:05,236
that he elevated this
to the federal level.
444
00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:10,775
BALTZ: The FBI was keen
to prosecute in the
beginning, for sure.
445
00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:16,080
And they found very much similar
things as Palm Beach Police,
446
00:30:16,181 --> 00:30:17,482
but new victims.
447
00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:23,388
And what came of that was
a draft indictment, 60 counts.
448
00:30:24,455 --> 00:30:27,392
However, this giant case
that Palm Beach Police
449
00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:30,195
spent so much time investigating
450
00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:33,331
pleaded down to
a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal
451
00:30:33,431 --> 00:30:37,001
after intense lobbying
by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
452
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,438
The charges
that they ended up bringing
453
00:30:40,538 --> 00:30:43,908
were solicitation
for prostitution of a minor.
454
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:48,446
It's basically calling
these victims prostitutes.
455
00:30:48,546 --> 00:30:52,317
The deal was approved
by then US attorney Alex Acosta
456
00:30:52,417 --> 00:30:55,086
and then kept secret
from the victims.
457
00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:58,656
And I think that
the sweetheart plea deal
458
00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:01,626
was, in many ways,
the original sin of this.
459
00:31:03,628 --> 00:31:06,397
KUVIN: It was one of the most
awful deals I've ever seen.
460
00:31:06,497 --> 00:31:11,035
There isn't a plea
deal before or since that
I've ever seen like this.
461
00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:19,677
It gave complete immunity
to not just Epstein,
462
00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:22,647
but it included
and not limited to
463
00:31:22,747 --> 00:31:26,184
potential co-conspirators
Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,
464
00:31:26,284 --> 00:31:28,887
Lesley Groff, and
Nadia Marcinkova.
465
00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:32,090
TOBIN: And so these
are some of the women who
helped recruit other girls?
466
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:33,992
Yeah, in the sexual
pyramid scheme,
467
00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:36,327
these were the people that were
really at the third level,
468
00:31:36,427 --> 00:31:38,930
right below Ghislaine Maxwell.
469
00:31:41,432 --> 00:31:44,335
REPORTER: Jeffrey Epstein
went to jail just before
10:00 this morning.
470
00:31:44,435 --> 00:31:46,271
He pleaded guilty in open court.
471
00:31:46,371 --> 00:31:48,373
He agreed to serve
a total of 18 months
472
00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:49,908
in a Palm Beach
detention facility.
473
00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,280
People who commit sex crimes
against minors
474
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,082
go to prison for
a very long time.
475
00:31:59,017 --> 00:32:00,785
Not Jeffrey Epstein.
476
00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:04,455
He was sentenced to
18 months in jail.
477
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:10,795
He could get work release for 12
hours a day, six days a week.
478
00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,233
FREEMAN: He wound up
being in a cushy jail
479
00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:18,136
where he was the only person
in that wing.
480
00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:23,174
He could go out, go
to his office, take
a walk on the beach,
481
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:27,145
do whatever he wanted
during the day.
That's no kind of punishment.
482
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:31,182
KUVIN: We had been litigating
against Epstein
483
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:33,484
on behalf of one of my clients.
484
00:32:33,584 --> 00:32:36,554
He was being allowed out
during days.
485
00:32:36,654 --> 00:32:39,090
So we noticed Epstein
for deposition.
486
00:32:41,025 --> 00:32:43,861
Could you please give us
your name? Jeffrey Epstein.
487
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:46,764
So I wanted him to realise
I didn't care who he was,
488
00:32:46,864 --> 00:32:49,133
what his power was,
what his status was,
489
00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:51,803
I was gonna ask him
the most embarrassing
possible thing I could.
490
00:32:53,071 --> 00:32:55,440
Is it true, sir, that, um...
491
00:32:56,774 --> 00:33:00,478
..you have what's been described
as an egg-shaped penis?
492
00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:05,717
He hears me ask the question,
watch him look at his lawyers,
493
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,685
like, "Can you believe
he's asking me this?"
494
00:33:07,785 --> 00:33:10,755
MAN: And I'm going to give you
the first warning, Mr Kuvin.
495
00:33:10,855 --> 00:33:13,124
I had been the first lawyer
to ask him any questions
496
00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,360
in the cases that
had been filed.
497
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:19,597
One witness described your penis
as oval-shaped,
498
00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,933
thin and small towards
the head portion.
499
00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,435
See, he's angry.
He's ready to walk out the door.
500
00:33:24,535 --> 00:33:26,738
And then he sees that the
attorneys are gonna talk.
501
00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:30,341
That serves no other purpose
other than embarrass Mr Epstein.
502
00:33:30,441 --> 00:33:32,643
It's just totally unethical.
It's improper.
503
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,178
The purpose of that question is
504
00:33:34,278 --> 00:33:38,149
how could a 14-year-old
know what his private
part looked like?
505
00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:42,487
That question was
directly relevant to
the claims in the case.
506
00:33:42,587 --> 00:33:45,023
The deposition is terminated
at this point.
507
00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:47,525
OK. Thanks a lot. I
appreciate it. Thank you.
508
00:33:51,162 --> 00:33:53,331
Shortest deposition I've
ever taken. (LAUGHS)
509
00:33:53,431 --> 00:33:54,899
Ever.
Ever.
510
00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:58,069
Wow. So he probably is feeling
pretty confident at this point
511
00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,338
that he's gotten away with this.
Pretty much. Yeah.
512
00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:01,806
I mean, he had done his deal,
513
00:34:01,906 --> 00:34:03,908
and now he was just
getting through the civil cases,
514
00:34:04,008 --> 00:34:06,077
thinking that it was
all over and all done.
515
00:34:21,526 --> 00:34:25,463
NEWSREADER: A few steps,
a smile and a wave to
the deputy at the door.
516
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:28,065
We watched Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail.
517
00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:32,236
Epstein served 13 months
of an 18-month sentence.
518
00:34:32,336 --> 00:34:34,338
MAN: He's very happy that
his jail sentence is over
519
00:34:34,439 --> 00:34:37,041
and he can begin
a new chapter in his life.
520
00:34:38,876 --> 00:34:41,245
KLASFELD: When Jeffrey Epstein
got out of jail,
521
00:34:41,345 --> 00:34:42,947
the fact that he was prosecuted,
522
00:34:43,047 --> 00:34:45,783
the fact that he was
a registered sex offender
523
00:34:45,883 --> 00:34:47,852
didn't seem to stand in the way
524
00:34:47,952 --> 00:34:52,957
of his re-entry into high
society, wealth and power.
525
00:34:55,793 --> 00:34:59,497
The power and influence he had
convinced a lot of people
526
00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:00,865
to look the other way.
527
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:03,901
Prince Andrew looked
the other way.
528
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:10,575
We also saw Bill Gates meeting
with Epstein, despite his past.
529
00:35:12,176 --> 00:35:14,745
WOMAN: He was some sort of
soothsayer, apparently,
530
00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:18,082
to a lot of these men
that were asking him for advice.
531
00:35:18,182 --> 00:35:21,719
I think that a lot of people
probably knew
532
00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:23,621
that everything
was not on the up and up,
533
00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,592
but for whatever reason,
they wanted to be a part
of his inner circle.
534
00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:35,566
I had a reporter who
was covering Epstein
every step of the way.
535
00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:40,638
It was difficult
to get people to pay attention.
536
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:46,577
They felt like he had served
his time and there you go.
537
00:35:46,677 --> 00:35:49,313
Epstein's conviction
wasn't even a speed bump.
538
00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:55,386
I've been researching and
writing about child trafficking
539
00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,555
since 2002, 2003,
540
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,191
and I had this intuition
that Jeffrey Epstein
541
00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:08,466
was very similar to the network
that I'd investigated,
and I just felt that
something was seriously wrong.
542
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:12,803
So in 2012, I went
down to Florida
543
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,174
and I had the good fortune
of getting the black book.
544
00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:24,215
The black book is just a list
of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
545
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:28,319
It has billionaires,
546
00:36:28,419 --> 00:36:30,321
some people in showbiz,
547
00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:32,056
captains of industry.
548
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:38,296
Um, and multiple girls
were in the black book.
549
00:36:41,799 --> 00:36:44,302
I started talking
to some of the girls,
550
00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:48,773
and they told me that they'd
been flown here or flown there
551
00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,642
and then one told me that
she'd been flown to an island.
552
00:36:52,276 --> 00:36:54,278
So in 2012,
553
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:58,516
I believed Jeffrey Epstein
was running a network.
554
00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,418
And I also had the flight logs.
555
00:37:01,752 --> 00:37:04,822
So were these
the flight logs just for
his private plane, then?
556
00:37:04,922 --> 00:37:05,790
Yes.
557
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,593
Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,
558
00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:10,995
Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
559
00:37:11,095 --> 00:37:13,030
I mean, there were a number
of very powerful people
560
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,133
that were flying with
Jeffrey Epstein.
561
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:20,104
And there were a number of girls
on the flight logs,
562
00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:24,442
and I assumed that
some of them were minors.
563
00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:33,017
I worked on getting that story
published for three years,
564
00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:37,855
and finally Gawker stepped up
and published my work.
565
00:37:40,891 --> 00:37:43,361
The mainstream media
just didn't want to embrace it.
566
00:37:48,232 --> 00:37:51,869
KLASFELD: After
that point, we would get
glimpses of information.
567
00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:57,908
Virginia Giuffre, one
of the Epstein survivors
from Palm Beach,
568
00:37:58,009 --> 00:38:02,046
had moved to Australia
after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.
569
00:38:02,146 --> 00:38:06,417
She claimed that she was
trafficked to then-Prince Andrew
570
00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:07,952
when she was a minor.
571
00:38:08,052 --> 00:38:09,920
She was 17 at the time.
572
00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:12,990
Can you tell me about
the photo that she provided
573
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:17,061
to a newspaper in 2011?
574
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:21,365
Virginia Giuffre had produced
a now infamous photograph
575
00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,567
of her, then-Prince Andrew
576
00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:25,736
and Ghislaine Maxwell.
577
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:29,140
Andrew claimed
that it was a fake
578
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,842
and denied criminal wrongdoing.
579
00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:34,945
BRYANT: Thing about Virginia is
580
00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:37,615
she'd been with Epstein
for a couple of years
581
00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:39,984
and he had taken her everyplace.
582
00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:43,621
So she was pretty knowledgeable
about his network
583
00:38:43,721 --> 00:38:47,158
and she was launching
civil suits,
584
00:38:47,258 --> 00:38:51,662
and she named Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine
Maxwell as perpetrators
585
00:38:51,762 --> 00:38:53,164
who trafficked her
586
00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:55,199
to his rich and
powerful cronies.
587
00:38:57,268 --> 00:39:02,073
But she wasn't being taken
seriously by the media.
588
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:08,612
Jeffrey Epstein very
aggressively bullied
media organisations
589
00:39:08,713 --> 00:39:11,082
that tried to look
under that rock.
590
00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:21,158
Things remained kind of dormant
for a number of years,
until another story came out
of the Miami Herald
591
00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:24,095
and a reporter that went back
and looked at some of the deals
592
00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:26,163
that were struck
with Jeffrey Epstein.
593
00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:31,736
Julie Brown, her reporting
really opened up the case.
594
00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:33,404
One second.
595
00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:36,140
Oh, you're calling Julie?
596
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,908
Good morning.
597
00:39:38,008 --> 00:39:40,444
Good morning. How are you?
I'm wonderful.
598
00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:45,116
I have a very pleasant
Australian reporter
here in my office
599
00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:48,919
uh, that would like
to chat with you
600
00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:50,788
if you could give her time.
601
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:51,822
Hang on.
OK.
602
00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:53,657
Hi, Julie.
603
00:39:53,758 --> 00:39:55,259
I've been contacted by a lot
of people...
604
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,028
Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard
to keep it straight but...
605
00:39:58,129 --> 00:39:59,230
Yeah.
606
00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:02,032
Yeah, give me a call. But
this week is not a good week.
607
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:06,003
So we can talk about it later.
OK. Yeah, sure.
608
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:22,453
Hey, Julie. I'm so glad
we could make this happen.
609
00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:24,255
Yes.
(BOTH CHUCKLE)
610
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,425
Persistence pays off, right?
Yep. It's OK.
611
00:40:27,525 --> 00:40:30,261
Especially since you
were willing to come all
the way to Philadelphia.
612
00:40:30,361 --> 00:40:32,329
I thought, "Oh, my God.
This girl's never gonna give up.
613
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,265
"I might as well
just get it over with."
614
00:40:36,233 --> 00:40:39,603
Tell me how you came to
investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
615
00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:43,874
Well, I started
investigating it right
before the election in 2016.
616
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:48,913
Most journalists in
America knew, you know,
617
00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:51,382
something about
the Jeffrey Epstein case,
618
00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:54,051
especially Epstein's
sweetheart deal.
619
00:40:54,151 --> 00:40:55,953
Very lenient plea deal.
620
00:40:56,053 --> 00:40:58,155
And there was a lot of stories
about,
621
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:04,962
"How did he get this deal?
This doesn't make any sense."
But nothing that I could find
really showed me
622
00:41:05,062 --> 00:41:07,164
how he got away with this crime.
623
00:41:07,264 --> 00:41:10,000
And so I just started
requesting the records,
624
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,903
not knowing
where it was going to lead me.
625
00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:16,507
Somehow, I got a list
of almost a hundred victims.
626
00:41:18,008 --> 00:41:22,880
In the end, I had like
four victims that were
willing to go and talk.
627
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,949
And in the middle
when I was doing that,
628
00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:30,321
Trump nominated Alexander Acosta
to be Labor secretary.
629
00:41:30,421 --> 00:41:33,958
I want to thank President Trump
for the privilege of serving.
630
00:41:34,058 --> 00:41:37,061
Acosta was the US
Attorney in Miami
631
00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:39,964
that signed off
on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
632
00:41:40,064 --> 00:41:42,433
I, Alexander Acosta,
do solemnly swear...
633
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:47,271
So then I pitched a story
that we would go to the victims
634
00:41:47,371 --> 00:41:51,108
and ask them, you know,
what they think about the man
635
00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:53,344
that let their predator
off the hook,
636
00:41:53,444 --> 00:41:55,212
who is now, by
the way, in charge
637
00:41:55,312 --> 00:41:58,849
of one of the largest government
agencies in the country
638
00:41:58,949 --> 00:42:01,352
with oversight
of human trafficking.
639
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,889
It was a high pressure story
640
00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:07,324
because it involved
a lot of important people.
641
00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:11,695
It was going to be put online
very early in the morning,
642
00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:15,366
so we sort of braced ourselves,
I guess you could say.
643
00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:18,536
And at the time that morning,
there was a funny story
644
00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:20,104
that was at the top
of our leaderboard.
645
00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:22,139
My story was at the very bottom.
646
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,409
And so I packed everything up. I
thought, "That's it for the day.
647
00:42:25,509 --> 00:42:28,512
"You know, I'm going to take
the day off."
648
00:42:28,612 --> 00:42:31,215
And I was getting all ready
and another reporter said to me,
649
00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:32,850
"Julie, look at this story."
650
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:35,452
And it was going
boom, boom, boom.
651
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,161
at the disturbing case
wiof Jeffrey Epstein.ok
Joining me this morning is
Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.
652
00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:48,999
Investigative reporter behind
the Miami Herald expose...
Julie Brown, let me ask you,
set the scene for us.
653
00:42:51,335 --> 00:42:54,705
KUVIN: This story uncovered
this underbelly of society,
654
00:42:54,805 --> 00:42:56,273
of the rich and powerful
655
00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,977
and what they were doing to
people who were less powerful.
656
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:02,246
KLASFELD: The
Miami Herald series
657
00:43:02,346 --> 00:43:05,282
drops in November 2018.
658
00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:13,891
It had such an impact that by
July of the following year,
659
00:43:13,991 --> 00:43:18,262
Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and
charged with sex trafficking.
660
00:43:20,331 --> 00:43:22,600
REPORTER: Billionaire Jeffrey
Epstein has been arrested
661
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,736
for alleged sex trafficking
of young girls,
662
00:43:25,836 --> 00:43:28,872
and agents have been coming in
and out of his Manhattan mansion
663
00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:30,274
all morning.
664
00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:31,976
MAN: Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.
665
00:43:32,076 --> 00:43:35,012
First - conspiracy
to commit sex trafficking
666
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:37,715
and second, sex trafficking
of underage girls,
667
00:43:37,815 --> 00:43:41,485
beginning in at least 2002
and continuing until 2005
668
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:49,793
at his mansion in New York
and in Palm Beach, Florida.
I'm not going into any dealings
with main justice,
669
00:43:49,893 --> 00:43:51,328
I will say that we were assisted
670
00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:53,831
from some excellent
investigative journalism.
671
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:57,968
BROWN: I just got a call
from the news desk saying,
672
00:43:58,068 --> 00:43:59,903
"We just got something
over the wire
673
00:44:00,004 --> 00:44:02,072
"that said that Epstein's
been arrested."
674
00:44:02,172 --> 00:44:04,174
I was like, oh, you know,
it was incredible.
675
00:44:04,274 --> 00:44:06,276
I was just... I
couldn't believe it.
676
00:44:08,445 --> 00:44:10,547
Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.
677
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,717
Thanks so much for taking
the time to talk to me today.
678
00:44:13,817 --> 00:44:14,852
Sure.
679
00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:16,453
When your brother was arrested,
680
00:44:16,553 --> 00:44:19,590
can you tell me what that
was like, that moment?
681
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:24,928
Jeffrey gets arrested, you know,
we spoke the night before.
682
00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:26,463
He called me from Paris.
683
00:44:26,563 --> 00:44:29,166
Just a normal, you know, "What's
new? How you doing?" call.
684
00:44:29,266 --> 00:44:32,369
And then he flies home the
next day and he gets arrested.
685
00:44:33,971 --> 00:44:39,076
BROWN: I wanted
to be at his first court
appearance the next day.
686
00:44:40,477 --> 00:44:43,280
He looked like such a small man.
687
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:47,518
You know, small, frail,
you know, human being.
688
00:44:47,618 --> 00:44:51,588
Um, just looked
lost, quite frankly.
689
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:54,324
I don't think he ever thought
he was going to be rearrested.
690
00:44:54,425 --> 00:44:56,427
REPORTER: Now, yesterday,
we were there in court.
691
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:58,696
His attorneys are arguing
that Epstein struck a deal
692
00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:02,166
with federal prosecutors
in Florida over similar crimes,
693
00:45:02,266 --> 00:45:04,668
granting him immunity
after he pleaded guilty
694
00:45:04,768 --> 00:45:06,637
to a lesser charge.
695
00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:10,240
The US attorney who struck
that deal is Alexander Acosta.
696
00:45:11,675 --> 00:45:14,845
BROWN: At that point,
the media started in
Washington asking Trump,
697
00:45:14,945 --> 00:45:18,615
"What's going to happen
with Alexander Acosta?"
698
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:19,950
Good afternoon.
699
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:24,254
And I remember that Acosta
did have a press conference.
700
00:45:24,354 --> 00:45:28,592
We believe that
we proceeded appropriately.
701
00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:35,165
There was value to
getting a guilty plea and
having him registered.
702
00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,134
Thank you very much. Thank you.
703
00:45:39,136 --> 00:45:42,005
BROWN: And I just remember
listening to him,
704
00:45:42,106 --> 00:45:45,075
thinking, "These
are all excuses.
705
00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:46,810
"They don't work anymore."
706
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:49,947
And apparently it didn't work
707
00:45:50,047 --> 00:45:54,284
because he then,
um, you know, resigned.
708
00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:56,653
And so I called the President
this morning.
709
00:45:56,754 --> 00:46:00,724
I told him that I thought the
right thing was to step aside.
710
00:46:00,824 --> 00:46:01,759
(REPORTERS CLAMOUR)
711
00:46:01,825 --> 00:46:03,427
FREEMAN: Finally, it seemed like
the government
712
00:46:03,527 --> 00:46:05,496
was actually taking
this seriously
713
00:46:10,667 --> 00:46:14,271
by charging Epstein
with ssex trafficking.
And after that,
other victims started to
realise, "I'm not alone."
714
00:46:17,541 --> 00:46:20,978
RUBRIGHT: When he was arrested,
a lot of us were happy
715
00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:25,382
that there was a second
chance for possibly
some actual justice,
716
00:46:25,482 --> 00:46:28,519
because what happened in 2008
wasn't justice
717
00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:30,654
or him being held accountable.
718
00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:33,423
And at that point,
719
00:46:33,524 --> 00:46:37,594
I reached out to the FBI
and I was like, uh...
720
00:46:38,729 --> 00:46:40,631
.."Here's another one
of us," you know?
721
00:46:40,731 --> 00:46:45,469
Um, "And I-I want to be
a part of bringing him down."
722
00:47:00,651 --> 00:47:02,786
KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein
was staying at
723
00:47:02,886 --> 00:47:04,788
the rather notorious prison
724
00:47:04,888 --> 00:47:08,625
where people await trial
on serious offences
725
00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,794
in the Southern District
of New York.
726
00:47:12,796 --> 00:47:15,599
MAN: The Metropolitan
Correctional Centre in Manhattan
727
00:47:15,699 --> 00:47:18,235
is an environment completely
foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.
728
00:47:20,938 --> 00:47:22,706
The conditions were filthy.
729
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:28,145
Rodents, cockroaches
all over the place.
I agreed to represent him
730
00:47:28,245 --> 00:47:30,247
and I met with him.
731
00:47:31,415 --> 00:47:33,517
But just before that,
there was this incident
732
00:47:33,617 --> 00:47:35,185
in which there was a suggestion
733
00:47:35,285 --> 00:47:36,720
that he tried to commit suicide.
734
00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:40,257
REPORTER: The multi-millionaire
and convicted sex offender
735
00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:44,728
is now on suicide
watch after he was found
injured in his jail cell.
736
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:48,165
SCHOEN: I met with Jeffrey
Epstein on August 1st
737
00:47:48,265 --> 00:47:49,933
for about five or six hours.
738
00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:53,470
He denied that he had
tried to commit suicide.
739
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:56,907
The story that he told
about what had happened
740
00:47:57,007 --> 00:47:58,442
was that the cellmate he had
741
00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:00,277
forced him
to put a rope around his neck,
742
00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:02,446
something, and pulled it, um,
743
00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,414
just to see the reaction
Epstein would have.
744
00:48:06,283 --> 00:48:08,518
But he told the
correctional officers
745
00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:10,020
that he couldn't remember
what had happened
746
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,623
because he was afraid
if he got that guy in trouble,
747
00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:14,725
that he would have
trouble himself.
748
00:48:16,193 --> 00:48:19,429
TOBIN: How was Jeffrey
Epstein's mood that
day when you look back?
749
00:48:19,529 --> 00:48:22,766
Good. I mean, he, again, he
didn't like being in the jail.
750
00:48:22,866 --> 00:48:25,802
Um, but he was adamant
about wanting to fight the case,
751
00:48:25,902 --> 00:48:27,437
and he was energised
by our meeting.
752
00:48:27,537 --> 00:48:29,606
I think he thought
he had a strong legal argument,
753
00:48:29,706 --> 00:48:31,975
for example, on the agreement
that he had made
754
00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:34,978
that he felt would have
barred his prosecution.
755
00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:38,148
But nine days later,
756
00:48:38,248 --> 00:48:40,450
the last thing I would have
imagined at the time happened.
757
00:48:44,021 --> 00:48:45,389
NEWSREADER: NBC News has learned
758
00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:49,092
that disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
759
00:48:49,192 --> 00:48:51,094
NEWSREADER 2: Sources
telling ABC News
760
00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:57,701
that accused sex
trafficker Jeffrey Epstein
has died by suicide.
MAN: It appeared that
he had hung himself
761
00:48:57,801 --> 00:49:01,805
We're trying to figure out if
he was still on suicide watch.
762
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,541
KLASFELD: It was astonishing.
763
00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:10,180
This is someone who is being
prosecuted for historic crimes.
764
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,816
The world's
attention is on this.
765
00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:16,420
How is this man
allowed to turn up dead?
766
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,502
MAthat Jeffrey was found deadxt
from an apparent suicide.he news
And at first, I had...
I had no reason to doubt it,
767
00:49:32,602 --> 00:49:34,438
because, you know,
he was in jail
768
00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:37,040
and was facing a long time
in jail, potentially.
769
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,776
And I knew he wouldn't want to
live that way in jail.
770
00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:41,545
So, I had no reason to doubt it
771
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,647
and I accepted that
he committed suicide.
772
00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:46,516
Anyway, the next day,
I had to come back to New York
773
00:49:46,616 --> 00:49:48,151
to identify his body.
774
00:49:48,251 --> 00:49:49,786
As a family member,
I had the right
775
00:49:49,886 --> 00:49:52,022
to have my own pathologist
at the autopsy.
776
00:49:52,122 --> 00:49:54,524
You know, just to see
everything was done right.
777
00:49:55,926 --> 00:49:58,829
I spoke to his brother,
I insisted that the
person I consider to be
778
00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:00,731
the top forensic pathologist
in the world
779
00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,567
participate in
an independent autopsy.
780
00:50:04,768 --> 00:50:06,570
So, his name is Michael Baden.
781
00:50:08,038 --> 00:50:12,743
I was medical examiner
for the New York State
Police for 25 years
782
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:17,748
and did more than
20,000 autopsies.
783
00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:30,694
that was going to be done
the next day.end the autopsy
The history was that he was
found having committed suicide
784
00:50:30,794 --> 00:50:33,563
by hanging in his jail cell.
785
00:50:35,298 --> 00:50:37,000
When looking at
the body, there was
786
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:41,104
a little odd situation there
because the ligature furrow
787
00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:44,174
around the neck was horizontal.
788
00:50:45,308 --> 00:50:46,576
In a suicidal hanging,
789
00:50:46,676 --> 00:50:49,513
the ligature mark is usually
790
00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:52,382
up the high part of the neck
and goes upwards.
791
00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:56,453
And then the moment of surprise,
792
00:50:56,553 --> 00:50:58,789
there were three fractures -
793
00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:01,091
two of the thyroid cartilage,
794
00:51:01,191 --> 00:51:03,293
which is the Adam's apple,
795
00:51:03,393 --> 00:51:07,464
and one of the hyoid bone.
796
00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:11,168
In 50 years of doing this,
I've never seen that.
797
00:51:11,268 --> 00:51:12,869
That's much more common,
798
00:51:12,969 --> 00:51:17,674
a crushing injury,
in a homicidal strangulation.
799
00:51:17,774 --> 00:51:19,443
So, I think, at that point,
800
00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:24,481
there was concern as to
whether it was suicide
as thought or not.
801
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:29,619
SCHOEN: So, the medical
examiner of New York
City, who conducted it,
802
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,222
she said that it
was inconclusive -
803
00:51:32,322 --> 00:51:33,690
she couldn't say it was suicide.
804
00:51:37,794 --> 00:51:40,397
BADEN: But then her boss,
three or four days later,
805
00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:42,899
changed it to suicide.
806
00:51:46,336 --> 00:51:49,673
MARK EPSTEIN: And then,
OK, now all kinds of
questions start coming up
807
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:51,108
and wheels start turning.
808
00:51:52,209 --> 00:51:53,643
(HORN BLARES)
809
00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:57,514
Barbara Sampson,
the chief medical examiner -
810
00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:59,483
and she was not at the autopsy -
811
00:51:59,583 --> 00:52:03,420
and so she comes up
with the conclusion of
suicide based on what?
812
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,189
NEWSREADER: Tonight, Jeffrey
Epstein's attorneys questioning
813
00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:09,326
whether his death was a suicide,
saying they will even
814
00:52:09,426 --> 00:52:10,727
pursue, quote:
815
00:52:18,668 --> 00:52:20,804
And it turned out somehow,
magically,
816
00:52:20,904 --> 00:52:23,006
the cameras malfunctioned
that day
817
00:52:23,106 --> 00:52:26,009
or was in a place where
the camera didn't reach.
818
00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:29,713
So, this is now a correctional
officer taking an inmate down.
819
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:33,383
This is supposed to be
Jeffrey Epstein now.
820
00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:37,687
You're talking about August 9th,
at almost 8:00 in the evening.
821
00:52:37,787 --> 00:52:39,322
August 10th is when he was dead.
822
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:41,925
Do you think it's suspicious
823
00:52:42,025 --> 00:52:44,794
that there's only this
one camera angle available?
824
00:52:44,895 --> 00:52:46,963
That that's the only image?
825
00:52:47,063 --> 00:52:50,100
If that's accurate, yes, I do,
I think it's suspicious.
826
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,671
And, um, you might
say coincidental that the
cameras are malfunctioning,
827
00:52:54,771 --> 00:52:57,307
you know, around that time,
but pretty unbelievable.
828
00:53:00,277 --> 00:53:03,213
There were so many anomalies
that night.
His cellmate had been taken out,
829
00:53:03,313 --> 00:53:05,448
the guards were sleeping,
830
00:53:05,549 --> 00:53:08,118
the cameras were down.
831
00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:12,022
All of these mysterious
things fuelled a lot
of conspiracy theories.
832
00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:14,057
There's just no way
you can hang yourself
833
00:53:14,157 --> 00:53:15,926
off of a bunk bed
at that height.
834
00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:18,261
I think we have found
Jeffrey Epstein's killer.
835
00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,530
And it's the most secure federal
lockup in the United States,
836
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:21,598
and he got murdered in it.
837
00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:23,166
Who has the power to do that?
838
00:53:27,404 --> 00:53:31,107
I've been studying conspiracy
theories for 15 years.
839
00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:35,045
When I polled Americans
asking them what they
thought about his death,
840
00:53:35,145 --> 00:53:37,247
half the country
thought it was a conspiracy,
841
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,023
who were trying to cover up
ttheir involvement with him.
And you don't normally get,
842
00:53:47,123 --> 00:53:50,560
uh, conspiracy theories getting
half the country to buy in.
843
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,262
Yeah, I don't believe
any conspiracy theory,
844
00:53:52,362 --> 00:53:54,497
but the fact that
he wanted to fight this case,
845
00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,033
uh, until the day
before he died,
846
00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:59,703
um, says to me that it's
unlikely he committed suicide.
847
00:54:02,305 --> 00:54:04,574
MARK EPSTEIN: I believe
he was murdered.
848
00:54:04,674 --> 00:54:07,277
And if they do a real
investigation and they
talk to the right people,
849
00:54:07,377 --> 00:54:10,013
they could figure out
what actually took place.
850
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:15,919
Do you believe that
Epstein committed suicide?
851
00:54:16,019 --> 00:54:18,588
No. No, I just don't believe it.
852
00:54:18,688 --> 00:54:20,824
Um...no.
853
00:54:21,691 --> 00:54:25,061
He had only been there
for a month.
854
00:54:26,296 --> 00:54:29,065
I just think it was too soon
for him to throw in the towel.
855
00:54:31,901 --> 00:54:33,937
PHILLIPS: From the Jeffrey
Epstein that I knew,
856
00:54:34,037 --> 00:54:36,973
no, I don't think he killed
himself, I just don't.
857
00:54:37,073 --> 00:54:39,709
And I believe he always thought
he was going to get out of it.
858
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:43,747
MAN: He knew that he wasn't
going to get the slap
on the wrist this time.
859
00:54:43,847 --> 00:54:47,083
Uh, very damaging documents
in the case came out,
860
00:54:47,183 --> 00:54:50,186
two days before,
he changed his will.
861
00:54:50,286 --> 00:54:53,757
A lot of people think
he might have been killed,
862
00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:56,293
others think he killed himself.
863
00:54:56,393 --> 00:54:59,129
LEVINE: I really think
he decided to take his life.
864
00:54:59,229 --> 00:55:02,699
That was the last bit of control
that he had.
865
00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:06,903
BALTZ: When I heard about that,
866
00:55:07,003 --> 00:55:11,207
I just...I was heartbroken
for these girls.
867
00:55:13,209 --> 00:55:15,045
NEWSREADER: A federal judge
has officially dismissed
868
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,314
the criminal case
against Jeffrey Epstein.
869
00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:21,184
BALTZ: They have never
gotten justice,
870
00:55:21,284 --> 00:55:24,321
and, you know,
they didn't deserve this.
871
00:55:27,791 --> 00:55:31,828
PHILLIPS: I was going
through my own feelings
in 2019 when he died.
872
00:55:31,928 --> 00:55:33,997
Uh, he was kind
of a mentor to me,
873
00:55:34,097 --> 00:55:35,865
but he was also my abuser.
874
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:43,173
Uand I wanted to know answers
about my life.ing time for me,
So I reached out at that time
to other survivors
875
00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:45,342
and called Virginia.
876
00:55:46,276 --> 00:55:48,178
I had my first
conversation with her.
877
00:55:49,713 --> 00:55:52,315
There's just something
that she had in her
878
00:55:52,415 --> 00:55:54,784
that I looked up to
879
00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:59,222
and I really thought
was very brave.
880
00:56:03,193 --> 00:56:06,096
BALTZ: We are here
in Loxahatchee Groves,
881
00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:09,099
which is a rural part
of Palm Beach County,
882
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:13,336
in which Virginia
Roberts Giuffre grew up.
883
00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:16,973
Not terribly affluent.
884
00:56:19,142 --> 00:56:21,177
GIUFFRE: I was recruited
at a very young age
885
00:56:21,277 --> 00:56:26,049
from Mar-a-Lago
and entrapped in a world
that I didn't understand,
886
00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:28,251
and I've been fighting
that very world to this day.
887
00:56:28,351 --> 00:56:31,121
And I won't stop fighting.
I will never be silenced.
888
00:56:32,655 --> 00:56:38,161
BALTZ: And here we
have Mar-a-Lago, President
Trump's, uh, private club.
889
00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:43,366
Virginia Giuffre was
a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago,
890
00:56:43,466 --> 00:56:47,570
and Ghislaine Maxwell
used to go there for massages.
891
00:56:49,606 --> 00:56:53,843
Ghislaine Maxwell asked
her if she wanted to
learn to be a masseuse
892
00:56:53,943 --> 00:56:56,179
and to come to Epstein's house,
893
00:56:56,279 --> 00:56:59,516
and that was where
she suffered the first abuse.
894
00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:02,852
LAWYER: Do you know
Virginia Roberts?
895
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,622
So, she's... Say again, who?
896
00:57:05,722 --> 00:57:06,990
Virginia Roberts.
897
00:57:08,458 --> 00:57:09,325
Can you spell it?
898
00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:13,196
Common spelling.
Can you spell it for me, please?
899
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:17,534
R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
900
00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:21,137
And, just for the record,
I can only spell it the
way that it was spelled
901
00:57:21,237 --> 00:57:23,873
in your flight logs
from your airplane.
902
00:57:26,843 --> 00:57:29,712
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
was instrumental
903
00:57:29,813 --> 00:57:31,281
in this story coming forward.
904
00:57:31,381 --> 00:57:34,217
She is the reason,
to a very large extent,
905
00:57:34,317 --> 00:57:36,820
that Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell
906
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,354
were even prosecuted,
907
00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:41,958
because of the trail,
of the public record
908
00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:44,427
that she left in
her civil lawsuits.
909
00:57:46,763 --> 00:57:51,167
BROWN: Virginia Giuffre
was not only key in
exposing Jeffrey Epstein,
910
00:57:51,267 --> 00:57:54,838
you know, she named names
of other people,
911
00:57:54,938 --> 00:57:56,439
such as Prince Andrew.
912
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,176
NEWSREADER: Abuse
allegations that have
been plaguing the Prince
913
00:58:00,276 --> 00:58:04,113
for years now laid bare
on prime-time TV.
914
00:58:04,214 --> 00:58:06,983
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
alleges Prince Andrew
915
00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:11,087
first sexually abused her
at Ms Maxwell's London home.
916
00:58:11,187 --> 00:58:12,889
GIUFFRE: Ghislaine woke me
up in the morning and said,
917
00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:14,390
"You're gonna meet
a prince today."
918
00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:17,293
I didn't know at that point
919
00:58:17,393 --> 00:58:20,997
that I was going to be
trafficked to that prince.
920
00:58:21,097 --> 00:58:24,234
And Ghislaine said,
"He's coming back to the house,
921
00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:28,104
"and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein."
922
00:58:28,204 --> 00:58:30,840
EMILY MAITLIS: One of Epstein's
accusers, Virginia Roberts...
923
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:33,343
Yeah. ..has made
allegations against you.
924
00:58:40,216 --> 00:58:42,619
It's been six years now...
Yeah.
925
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,589
..since that famous, infamous
interview with Prince Andrew.
926
00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,826
Did you ever think
that you would still be
talking about it now?
927
00:58:49,926 --> 00:58:53,630
In a way, I wish the
whole conversation
had started earlier.
928
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:59,068
You know, we knew when we did it
that it had to be a document,
929
00:58:59,168 --> 00:59:01,571
a public record,
in case it was ever useful.
930
00:59:04,107 --> 00:59:06,509
He was in the room
when I arrived.
931
00:59:06,609 --> 00:59:09,279
He looked ready for it.
932
00:59:16,019 --> 00:59:22,058
to kind of get it off
his chest, frankly.ng time
There is no good time
to talk about Mr Epstein.
933
00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:26,863
My sense is that he thought
he was his own best weapon
934
00:59:26,963 --> 00:59:29,299
in terms of killing
the story dead.
935
00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:32,969
She says she met you in 2001,
936
00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:35,638
and she went on to
have sex with you
937
00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:39,809
in a house in Belgravia
belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.
938
00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:41,477
Didn't happen.
939
00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:43,646
Do you remember her?
940
00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:45,048
No.
941
00:59:45,148 --> 00:59:47,784
He tried to tell me
that it was a fake photo.
942
00:59:47,884 --> 00:59:53,156
We can't be certain as
to whether or not that's
my hand on-on-on her,
943
00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:56,292
uh, whatever it is,
left...left side.
944
00:59:56,392 --> 00:59:59,963
He'd worked out his, um, alibi.
945
01:00:00,063 --> 01:00:06,135
I'd taken Beatrice to
a PizzaExpress in Woking.
946
01:00:06,235 --> 01:00:08,638
His team had thought
it had gone pretty well.
947
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:17,981
afNEWSREADER 2: One UKsedrince
paper calling the Princeh
entitled and obtuse.
948
01:00:18,081 --> 01:00:20,283
NEWSREADER 3: Four days
after Newsnight broadcast
949
01:00:20,383 --> 01:00:23,653
its interview with
Prince Andrew, he's
made this announcement.
950
01:00:23,753 --> 01:00:26,623
"I have asked Her Majesty
if I may step back from
951
01:00:26,723 --> 01:00:28,992
"public duties
for the foreseeable future,
952
01:00:29,092 --> 01:00:31,194
"and she has given
her permission."
953
01:00:31,294 --> 01:00:35,031
BRYANT: The interview
that he gave the BBC,
954
01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:38,434
that was beyond disingenuous.
955
01:00:39,736 --> 01:00:42,305
He started his slow decline
956
01:00:42,405 --> 01:00:46,242
to ultimately being
stripped of his princehood.
957
01:00:46,342 --> 01:00:49,679
And I think that that was
the beginning of the end.
958
01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:53,616
It's...it's an eye for an eye,
a scar for a scar.
959
01:00:57,053 --> 01:00:58,855
No matter how much
I go through therapy,
960
01:00:58,955 --> 01:01:02,425
I'm embedded with scars
that will never leave me, ever.
961
01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:11,100
KLASFELD: Virginia Giuffre
was also instrumental to
962
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,737
the downfall of the other
person in that photograph
- Ghislaine Maxwell.
963
01:01:16,773 --> 01:01:21,044
In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was
sentenced to 20 years in prison
964
01:01:21,144 --> 01:01:23,112
for sex trafficking
and other crimes.
965
01:01:26,616 --> 01:01:29,686
But there was
a growing public outrage
966
01:01:29,786 --> 01:01:34,390
that she was the only
person to face consequences
in the Epstein scandal.
967
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:36,826
People were asking,
"What about the men?"
968
01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:40,596
No-one had brought charges,
969
01:01:40,697 --> 01:01:45,334
and this was across Republican
and Democratic administrations.
970
01:01:48,905 --> 01:01:53,176
TOBIN: When and how did
concerns about Epstein's crimes
971
01:01:53,276 --> 01:01:57,113
start spilling over into
the territory of the public
972
01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,215
really wanting to see the files?
973
01:01:59,315 --> 01:02:03,319
Donald Trump really was the one
who prompted that.
974
01:02:06,656 --> 01:02:10,159
Then he got to be embroiled
in it himself.
975
01:02:13,262 --> 01:02:14,897
REPORTER: Donald Trump's name
is all over these files.
976
01:02:14,997 --> 01:02:17,266
REPORTER 2: Flight logs show
Trump travelled on Epstein's
977
01:02:17,366 --> 01:02:20,870
private jet many more times
than prosecutors were aware.
978
01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:27,276
LAWYER: Have you ever had
a personal relationship
with Donald Trump?
979
01:02:28,578 --> 01:02:30,713
What do you mean by
"personal relationship", sir?
980
01:02:30,813 --> 01:02:33,950
Have you socialised with him?
Yes, sir.
981
01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,718
Yes?
Yes, sir.
982
01:02:35,818 --> 01:02:38,621
Have you ever socialised
with Donald Trump
983
01:02:38,721 --> 01:02:43,760
in the presence of females
under the age of 18?
984
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:50,900
Though I'd like to answer
that question, at least today,
985
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,268
I'm going to have to assert my
986
01:02:52,368 --> 01:02:55,304
Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth
Amendment rights, sir.
987
01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:59,976
KLASFELD: It's indisputable
that Trump had
988
01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:03,112
a long-term friendship
with Epstein.
989
01:03:03,212 --> 01:03:04,714
He told the world about it.
990
01:03:04,814 --> 01:03:08,317
Do you still think Jeffrey
Epstein is a terrific guy?
991
01:03:08,417 --> 01:03:10,653
Well, I knew him, like everybody
in Palm Beach knew him.
992
01:03:10,753 --> 01:03:12,255
I mean, people
in Palm Beach knew him.
993
01:03:12,355 --> 01:03:14,223
He was a fixture in Palm Beach.
994
01:03:14,323 --> 01:03:16,259
KLASFELD: There was
the infamous interview
995
01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:19,662
where he called
Epstein a great guy,
996
01:03:19,762 --> 01:03:22,532
likes women "on
the younger side".
997
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:27,036
Jeffrey Epstein's
50th birthday book in 2003
998
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:31,174
has a drawing of
a nude female figure
999
01:03:31,274 --> 01:03:32,642
with Trump's name on it.
1000
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,478
He denies that
it's his signature,
1001
01:03:35,578 --> 01:03:37,914
we have multiple
handwriting experts
1002
01:03:38,014 --> 01:03:39,849
saying that it is.
1003
01:03:39,949 --> 01:03:41,717
I don't do drawings.
1004
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:43,452
I'm not a drawing person.
1005
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:46,355
KLASFELD: The fact
that he had such a long,
1006
01:03:46,455 --> 01:03:48,691
personal friendship with Epstein
1007
01:03:48,791 --> 01:03:50,693
raises questions about
1008
01:03:50,793 --> 01:03:53,629
what he knew about
Epstein's behaviour.
1009
01:03:53,729 --> 01:03:55,798
I had a falling out with him
a long time ago.
1010
01:03:55,898 --> 01:03:59,468
I don't think I've spoken to him
for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.
1011
01:04:06,275 --> 01:04:11,581
actually started becoming a big
tproblem for President Trump?
I think it became a problem soon
after he assumed office again.
1012
01:04:11,681 --> 01:04:14,050
We are going to drain the swamp,
1013
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:15,985
and we're going to do it
once and for all.
1014
01:04:21,824 --> 01:04:24,227
would you supportlection,
hreleasing the files?nt-blank,
Would you declassify
the Epstein files?
1015
01:04:24,327 --> 01:04:26,362
Yeah. Yeah, I would.
1016
01:04:26,462 --> 01:04:30,233
USCINSKI: And many of the people
around him, they said yes.
1017
01:04:30,333 --> 01:04:32,235
Seriously, we need to release
the Epstein list.
1018
01:04:32,335 --> 01:04:33,736
That is an important thing.
1019
01:04:42,278 --> 01:04:44,213
Hobut no-one on Epstein's list
has even been brought to light.
So, this was a campaign promise
1020
01:04:44,313 --> 01:04:46,649
that they had made
to their supporters.
1021
01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:50,519
Ghislaine. Look into her father,
Robert Maxwell.
1022
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,189
All the answers are right there.
Yeah. Because he was a spy.
1023
01:04:53,289 --> 01:04:55,558
Trump built a
coalition of followers
1024
01:04:55,658 --> 01:04:58,461
who are very conspiratorial
in their world views
1025
01:04:58,561 --> 01:05:02,131
and were already
Epstein conspiracy theorists.
1026
01:05:03,165 --> 01:05:05,368
You don't know that she's 16,
and she takes you in a room
1027
01:05:05,468 --> 01:05:07,870
and that room is filled
with cameras, that's...
1028
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:09,739
Blackmail.
Yeah.
1029
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:14,410
So, there were fantasies about
massive sex-trafficking rings,
1030
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:16,913
views about blackmail rings,
1031
01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:18,514
and that Epstein was controlling
1032
01:05:18,614 --> 01:05:20,650
all sorts of rich
and powerful people.
1033
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:22,885
I believe very strongly
he was a spy, yes.
1034
01:05:22,985 --> 01:05:24,654
And who do you think
he was working for?
1035
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,389
The Israelis.
1036
01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:30,526
USCINSKI: Trump cosied
up to QAnon, and it
created a lore around him
1037
01:05:30,626 --> 01:05:34,196
that he was bringing down
these evil, powerful people,
1038
01:05:34,297 --> 01:05:36,933
'cause the establishment
was entirely corrupt
1039
01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:39,235
and he was the outsider
who was going to come in
1040
01:05:39,335 --> 01:05:40,770
and drain the swamp.
1041
01:05:48,711 --> 01:05:50,813
So, early in
Trump's second term,
1042
01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:58,621
he appoints Pam Bondi
as Attorney-General,
and she runs with the Epstein
story almost immediately.
1043
01:06:01,223 --> 01:06:05,561
The DOJ may be releasingd Trump
hasthe list of Jeffrey
Epstein's clients?
1044
01:06:05,661 --> 01:06:08,464
KLASFELD: In February of 2025,
1045
01:06:08,564 --> 01:06:10,199
Bondi goes out and says
1046
01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:15,771
that she has the Epstein files
and the client list on her desk.
1047
01:06:21,544 --> 01:06:25,014
That's been a directive
rby PreThen there's a
180-degree reversal.
1048
01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:28,617
There's the release
of the July memo
1049
01:06:28,718 --> 01:06:31,887
from the FBI
and the Department of Justice.
1050
01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:34,724
And the July memo says
an extraordinary thing.
1051
01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:36,892
It says that there are more than
1052
01:06:36,993 --> 01:06:40,329
a thousand survivors of
Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,
1053
01:06:40,429 --> 01:06:42,965
and then says there's
nothing to investigate,
1054
01:06:43,065 --> 01:06:45,267
there's nothing to release,
1055
01:06:45,368 --> 01:06:46,669
turn the other way.
1056
01:06:47,837 --> 01:06:49,905
There was, quote,
"No client list
1057
01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:52,508
"or evidence that he blackmailed
prominent figures,"
1058
01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:55,044
according to a memo
detailing the findings.
1059
01:06:55,144 --> 01:06:58,714
The review also concluded
that Epstein died by suicide
1060
01:06:58,814 --> 01:07:00,983
while in custody at a Manhattan
correctional facility.
1061
01:07:01,083 --> 01:07:05,154
That memo just sent shock waves
throughout the American ether,
1062
01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:08,691
especially with the MAGA base
who was so invested.
1063
01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:11,127
All those videos are saying,
"Yeah, she's seen the videos,
1064
01:07:11,227 --> 01:07:12,528
"it's all coming out."
1065
01:07:12,628 --> 01:07:14,697
And then now it doesn't exist.
I mean, what? What?!
1066
01:07:14,797 --> 01:07:17,299
Joe, wanna check the tweet
that Elon just put out?
1067
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,201
"Time to drop the
really big bomb.
1068
01:07:19,301 --> 01:07:21,504
"Donald Trump is
in the Epstein files.
1069
01:07:21,604 --> 01:07:23,606
"That's the real reason
they have not been made public."
1070
01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,108
The Jeffrey Epstein case
has caused backlash
1071
01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:27,276
within President Trump's base,
1072
01:07:27,343 --> 01:07:30,446
fuelling conspiracy theories
that more details exist
1073
01:07:30,546 --> 01:07:32,448
but are being hidden
from the public.
1074
01:07:33,616 --> 01:07:35,384
MAN: I'm not gonna
play with these anymore.
1075
01:07:35,484 --> 01:07:37,186
MAGA hats are off.
1076
01:07:44,293 --> 01:07:46,095
Burn, baby, burn.
1077
01:07:46,195 --> 01:07:49,465
And this is a great
representation of
what's left of MAGA.
1078
01:07:50,966 --> 01:07:54,236
I think the President
always felt like he could
control his MAGA base,
1079
01:07:54,336 --> 01:07:55,738
but it's the influencers
1080
01:07:55,838 --> 01:07:58,374
who have also really
kept this story alive
1081
01:07:58,474 --> 01:08:00,543
and have been very
critical of him.
1082
01:08:00,643 --> 01:08:02,711
We voted for Trump
because we wanted justice,
1083
01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,648
and justice involves
actually holding accountable
1084
01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:07,516
the people who committed
that wrongdoing.
1085
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:20,463
It just continued and continued,
1086
01:08:20,563 --> 01:08:23,599
and the President himself
kept calling it a hoax.
1087
01:08:23,699 --> 01:08:25,734
Well, I haven't been
overly interested in it.
1088
01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:27,236
You know, it's something...
1089
01:08:27,336 --> 01:08:29,972
It's a hoax that's been built up
way beyond proportion.
1090
01:08:30,072 --> 01:08:32,675
I know it's a hoax.
It's started by Democrats.
1091
01:08:32,775 --> 01:08:34,276
When you call something a hoax,
1092
01:08:34,376 --> 01:08:36,412
and yet people know that there's
a tremendous amount of evidence
1093
01:08:36,512 --> 01:08:37,746
out there that it's not a hoax,
1094
01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:40,616
it makes them only want to
know more about it.
1095
01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:42,518
NEWSREADER: The President
writing on social media:
1096
01:08:52,228 --> 01:08:53,896
TRUMP: Some stupid Republicans
1097
01:08:53,996 --> 01:08:56,365
and foolish Republicans
fall into the net.
1098
01:08:56,465 --> 01:08:58,033
I call it the Epstein hoax.
1099
01:09:01,904 --> 01:09:03,539
Hello? Hi.
Come on in. Hi.
1100
01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:04,840
Marjorie.
Yes, hello.
1101
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:07,176
Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.
Nice to meet you.
1102
01:09:07,276 --> 01:09:10,846
Nice to meet you, too. Grab a
seat under this big ball light.
1103
01:09:10,946 --> 01:09:12,548
Yeah, that's quite a light.
I know, isn't it?
1104
01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:13,883
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
1105
01:09:15,618 --> 01:09:19,054
Do you think that these
supporters are losing
heart and losing trust
1106
01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:22,458
in President Trump now
because of the Epstein files?
1107
01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:26,962
MIt was a line in.
the sand for them.
1108
01:09:27,062 --> 01:09:29,665
They couldn't understand
it the same way I
couldn't understand it.
1109
01:09:29,765 --> 01:09:31,534
Why would he cover this up?
1110
01:09:31,634 --> 01:09:33,869
And that was, um...
1111
01:09:35,371 --> 01:09:39,175
That was something that
none of us ever expected
from President Trump.
1112
01:09:46,982 --> 01:09:50,619
I'm Rick Frazier,
and I presently live
in St Marys, Ohio.
1113
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,354
Mmm. It's good.
1114
01:09:52,454 --> 01:09:54,056
TOBIN: Mm. Strong?
Good coffee.
1115
01:10:00,529 --> 01:10:02,164
I'm a front-row Joe,
to one of his rallies.
six days ahead of time
1116
01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,033
TRUMP: It's very quick,
but it's brutal.
1117
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:06,936
I still worked hard to help
Trump, you know, get elected.
1118
01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,871
(CROWD CHEERS)
1119
01:10:08,971 --> 01:10:12,808
But, to be honest with you,
it pisses me off that -
1120
01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:14,376
if I can use that language -
1121
01:10:14,476 --> 01:10:16,845
that on one hand,
1122
01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:20,115
we were promised
by the President that
this is gonna happen.
1123
01:10:21,183 --> 01:10:22,651
Then, on the other hand,
1124
01:10:22,751 --> 01:10:25,754
he turns around
and it didn't happen.
1125
01:10:25,854 --> 01:10:29,825
I can't see why he...
who he's protecting.
1126
01:10:29,925 --> 01:10:32,561
I honestly, in my mind,
don't think he's involved.
1127
01:10:32,661 --> 01:10:34,964
You can be in
pictures with anyone,
1128
01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:38,100
but until we got transparency,
how do we know?
1129
01:10:44,373 --> 01:10:46,842
NEWSREADER: There is
new pressure on the
Trump Administration
1130
01:10:46,942 --> 01:10:49,979
from Republicans looking into
the Jeffrey Epstein case.
1131
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:52,548
DAVID PAKMAN: Donald Trump
is aimed at one of his own,
1132
01:10:52,648 --> 01:10:55,417
Republican congressman
Thomas Massie.
1133
01:10:55,517 --> 01:10:58,587
TRUMP: This moron Thomas Massie,
1134
01:10:58,687 --> 01:11:00,789
there's something
wrong with him.
1135
01:11:05,728 --> 01:11:09,131
When did you first start
becoming concerned
1136
01:11:09,231 --> 01:11:11,900
about what's now known
as the Epstein files?
1137
01:11:15,237 --> 01:11:17,640
So, it started
a couple years ago for me,
and it really came
to the forefront
1138
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,809
when President Trump
and people in his Cabinet
1139
01:11:20,909 --> 01:11:23,646
promised that they were going to
release these files.
1140
01:11:23,746 --> 01:11:26,682
But none of them followed
through on their promise,
1141
01:11:26,782 --> 01:11:28,984
which became suspicious to me.
1142
01:11:30,185 --> 01:11:33,389
My Democrat colleague
Ro Khanna, from California,
1143
01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:35,724
cares about the victims,
1144
01:11:35,824 --> 01:11:38,861
and so I reached out to him
and said,
1145
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:43,098
"Ro, um, if I do
a discharge petition,
1146
01:11:43,198 --> 01:11:48,804
"do you think you
could get every single
Democrat to sign it?"
1147
01:11:48,904 --> 01:11:51,707
And he did deliver
on that promise.
1148
01:11:59,281 --> 01:12:01,884
Nafor the release oftisan push
ithe Epstein files.as Massie
People feel that
the rich and the powerful
1149
01:12:01,984 --> 01:12:04,186
have been not held accountable,
1150
01:12:04,286 --> 01:12:06,322
that they have
a different set of rules,
1151
01:12:06,422 --> 01:12:08,824
and that there may be
government officials involved.
1152
01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:12,227
NEWSREADER: Thomas Massie
just filed a discharge petition
1153
01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:15,164
to force this vote
on releasing the files.
1154
01:12:15,264 --> 01:12:16,865
That's something that
Speaker Mike Johnson
1155
01:12:16,965 --> 01:12:18,934
has really been trying to avoid.
1156
01:12:19,034 --> 01:12:21,203
REPORTER: The White House
has warned Republicans
1157
01:12:21,303 --> 01:12:22,871
not to side with Massie.
1158
01:12:22,971 --> 01:12:25,474
Even a White House official
telling reporters last night
1159
01:12:25,574 --> 01:12:28,243
that this would be viewed
as an act of hostility.
1160
01:12:33,349 --> 01:12:37,486
Well, I have a 98% voting record
with the President,
1161
01:12:37,586 --> 01:12:40,356
was one of his most
loyal defenders.
1162
01:12:40,456 --> 01:12:44,026
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
please come up. Come.
1163
01:12:44,126 --> 01:12:46,462
CROWD: (CHANTS) MTG! MTG!
1164
01:12:46,562 --> 01:12:47,996
Thank you, Mr President.
1165
01:12:48,097 --> 01:12:52,134
Alright, Georgia, we know
what we're going to do in 2024.
1166
01:12:52,234 --> 01:12:56,238
He was angry at me
for siding with Thomas Massie
1167
01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:58,273
and signing on
the discharge petition.
1168
01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,909
To me, it was a matter of
right and wrong
1169
01:13:01,009 --> 01:13:02,778
and standing up for these women.
1170
01:13:02,878 --> 01:13:05,781
The greatest president
in United States history,
1171
01:13:05,881 --> 01:13:08,250
Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?
1172
01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:11,520
(CROWD ROARS)
1173
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:12,821
CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene,
1174
01:13:12,921 --> 01:13:14,890
she's the female version
of Donald Trump.
1175
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:17,025
She was full-blood MAGA.
1176
01:13:17,126 --> 01:13:20,863
So, for her to be one of the
people to stand up against him
1177
01:13:20,963 --> 01:13:24,967
is very significant
in American politics.
1178
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,036
He was losing control of
the situation.
1179
01:13:29,905 --> 01:13:32,975
TOBIN: When you sign
that discharge petition,
1180
01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:36,445
afterwards you took a phone call
with President Trump.
1181
01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:40,349
He said that it was going to
hurt people that he knew.
1182
01:13:40,449 --> 01:13:41,784
What people?
1183
01:13:41,884 --> 01:13:44,887
I don't know. I still don't know
that to this day.
1184
01:13:44,987 --> 01:13:48,190
But the way he treated me
and the names that he called me,
1185
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:51,393
sent death threats upon me
and then my children.
1186
01:13:51,493 --> 01:13:54,229
(CROWD CHATTERS AND CHEERS)
1187
01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,269
TAYLOR GREENE: This is my
fifth year in Congress
1188
01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:02,604
and this is the largest
press conference
1189
01:14:02,704 --> 01:14:05,073
that I've seen since
I've been here.
1190
01:14:05,174 --> 01:14:07,409
KLASFELD: As people like
Marjorie Taylor Greene
1191
01:14:07,509 --> 01:14:11,346
started getting involved,
the snowball started rolling.
1192
01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:13,816
TAYLOR GREENE:
This is not about politics,
1193
01:14:13,916 --> 01:14:17,352
this is a boiling point
in American history.
1194
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,955
KLASFELD: We see some
very effective advocacy
1195
01:14:20,055 --> 01:14:22,357
on behalf of the
victims themselves.
1196
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:25,160
Why did he get away
with it in 2008?
1197
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:28,096
Why was Jeffrey Epstein
so protected?
1198
01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:30,265
Why was Maxwell the only one
held accountable
1199
01:14:30,365 --> 01:14:32,000
when so many others
played a role?
1200
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,002
Let the public know the truth.
1201
01:14:35,337 --> 01:14:38,273
WOMAN: I speak today not only
in service of my own recovery,
1202
01:14:38,373 --> 01:14:42,344
but to honour the lives,
the courage and sacrifices
1203
01:14:42,444 --> 01:14:44,847
of Virginia Giuffre
1204
01:14:44,947 --> 01:14:46,615
and others who
could not continue.
1205
01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:52,354
NEWSREADER: Victims
of the convicted sex
offender Jeffrey Epstein
1206
01:14:52,454 --> 01:14:54,756
have paid tribute
to Virginia Giuffre
1207
01:14:54,857 --> 01:14:57,192
at a rally in Washington, DC.
1208
01:14:57,292 --> 01:15:00,062
She took her own life
in April this year.
1209
01:15:01,463 --> 01:15:03,799
BALTZ: It made me very sad
when she passed.
1210
01:15:04,967 --> 01:15:08,837
This sort of damage,
you can stuff it down
for years and years,
1211
01:15:08,937 --> 01:15:11,306
but the effects
will always catch up.
1212
01:15:11,406 --> 01:15:14,376
Virginia said it
best, and I quote,
1213
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:20,682
""Not until the justice,
system makes an example
out of these people
1214
01:15:20,782 --> 01:15:22,551
"with so-called privileges.
1215
01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:24,786
"I just call it money."
1216
01:15:24,887 --> 01:15:26,088
People believe her now.
1217
01:15:27,089 --> 01:15:28,390
I mean, she won...
1218
01:15:29,558 --> 01:15:31,093
..in a sad way.
1219
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:40,736
KHANNA: So we gather here
on the steps of the Capitol
1220
01:15:40,836 --> 01:15:43,138
to confront these
corrupt forces.
1221
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:49,711
We know we have 212 Democrats
and we have four Republicans,
1222
01:15:49,811 --> 01:15:51,480
courageous Republicans.
1223
01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:55,317
The only supporters that I got
from my discharge petition
1224
01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:58,453
on the Republican side of
the aisle were all women.
1225
01:15:58,554 --> 01:15:59,955
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
1226
01:16:00,055 --> 01:16:01,757
Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.
1227
01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:07,296
They were woken up at
5am in the morning with
the President saying,
1228
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,131
"F this, F that.
1229
01:16:09,231 --> 01:16:11,600
"Get your effing name
off of this thing."
1230
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:15,103
But, to their credit, all three
of those women stayed strong.
1231
01:16:16,538 --> 01:16:19,908
KLASFELD: There was a time
when few believed
1232
01:16:20,008 --> 01:16:24,580
that they would actually
be able to get the
passage of these files.
1233
01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:28,884
And it was only after
it became very clear
1234
01:16:28,984 --> 01:16:31,286
that Trump was going
to lose on this vote,
1235
01:16:31,386 --> 01:16:35,390
then finally
he claimed to support it.
1236
01:16:36,558 --> 01:16:39,928
We've done a great job,
and I hate to see that,
1237
01:16:40,028 --> 01:16:43,398
uh, deflect from
the great job we've done.
1238
01:16:43,498 --> 01:16:45,634
So I'm all for it.
1239
01:16:45,734 --> 01:16:49,538
What eventually happened
was a nearly unanimous vote.
1240
01:16:50,372 --> 01:16:55,110
The yeas are 427,
the nays are one.
1241
01:16:55,210 --> 01:16:56,878
The bill is passed,
1242
01:16:56,979 --> 01:17:01,083
and without objection,
the motion to reconsider
is laid on the table.
1243
01:17:02,551 --> 01:17:04,486
(CHEERING, APPLAUSE)
1244
01:17:05,887 --> 01:17:09,791
Mr Speaker, today
is an extraordinary
day in this chamber.
1245
01:17:09,891 --> 01:17:13,195
This is about the powerless
1246
01:17:13,295 --> 01:17:18,900
taking power away
from the very powerful.
1247
01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:21,603
When Trump backflipped on it,
1248
01:17:21,703 --> 01:17:23,605
the survivors won.
1249
01:17:23,705 --> 01:17:27,843
The Senate has passed the bill
under unanimous consent!
1250
01:17:27,943 --> 01:17:30,579
(ALL CHEER)
1251
01:17:32,681 --> 01:17:34,383
REPORTER: The bill forces
the Justice Department
1252
01:17:34,483 --> 01:17:37,719
to release Epstein file
documents within 30 days.
1253
01:17:37,819 --> 01:17:40,389
(ALL CHEER)
1254
01:17:57,773 --> 01:18:01,243
Once the Epstein Files
Transparency Act became law,
1255
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:04,680
there was a deadline -
December 19th -
1256
01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:06,581
for the release of everything.
1257
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,384
REPORTER: Deputy
Attorney-General Todd
Blanche says, however,
1258
01:18:09,484 --> 01:18:12,387
several hundred thousand pages
of records will be made public,
1259
01:18:12,487 --> 01:18:14,790
with more to come
in the coming weeks.
1260
01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:15,891
Hundreds of thousands...
1261
01:18:15,991 --> 01:18:17,459
FRAZIER: I could sit at home
1262
01:18:17,559 --> 01:18:19,428
and just stay on the couch
and not be involved,
1263
01:18:19,528 --> 01:18:23,298
but being here is historic.
1264
01:18:24,332 --> 01:18:26,334
We got a few hours
till we find out.
1265
01:18:26,435 --> 01:18:28,937
REPORTER: But we're talking
about a tonnage of information
1266
01:18:29,037 --> 01:18:31,873
that may take some time
just to process.
1267
01:18:31,973 --> 01:18:34,443
The Justice Department
has now begun
1268
01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:37,379
the release of
the Epstein files.
1269
01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:45,087
The first release was a blip
on the radar, not even that.
1270
01:18:45,187 --> 01:18:47,456
There was a picture
of Bill Clinton.
1271
01:18:47,556 --> 01:18:49,891
There was very little
about Donald Trump.
1272
01:18:49,991 --> 01:18:54,396
It was widely regarded
to have few major revelations.
1273
01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:59,267
NEWSREADER: At least 550 pages
were fully redacted.
1274
01:18:59,367 --> 01:19:01,269
NEWSREADER 2: We have
just a fraction right now
1275
01:19:01,369 --> 01:19:03,004
of what is believed to exist.
1276
01:19:04,206 --> 01:19:05,440
We haven't received
Pfull transparency,
failed, in our book.
1277
01:19:10,212 --> 01:19:12,881
and it's an incomplete
release of the files.
FRAZIER: That must be his...
his prison cell.
1278
01:19:12,981 --> 01:19:17,319
I'm pretty disappointed
since we were told transparency,
1279
01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:19,387
and we're not really seeing it.
1280
01:19:32,734 --> 01:19:37,305
I dThey're flouting the spirit
tgoand the letter of the law.
KLASFELD: People kept
trying to push for the
release of the files,
1281
01:19:37,405 --> 01:19:39,641
and six weeks later,
all of a sudden,
1282
01:19:39,741 --> 01:19:43,612
3.5 million documents
hit the public.
1283
01:19:45,847 --> 01:19:47,949
NEWSREADER: 3 million
pages of documents,
1284
01:19:48,049 --> 01:19:51,486
180,000 images and 2,000 videos.
1285
01:19:51,586 --> 01:19:53,622
The latest release
of files related to
1286
01:19:53,722 --> 01:19:56,124
the paedophile
Jeffrey Epstein is shocking
1287
01:19:56,224 --> 01:19:58,493
in its size and its content.
1288
01:19:58,593 --> 01:20:01,463
NEWSREADER 2: Of the 180,000
images released,
1289
01:20:01,563 --> 01:20:03,632
these pictures of
the King's brother
1290
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,801
seem to be what everyone
is talking about.
1291
01:20:05,901 --> 01:20:09,871
NEWSREADER 3: Police are
assessing claims Andrew
Mountbatten-Windsor
1292
01:20:14,676 --> 01:20:18,513
shared confidential reports
with Jeffrey Epstein.
KLASFELD: All of a
sudden, there are global
investigations in Europe.
1293
01:20:19,681 --> 01:20:21,383
NEWSREADER: Active
investigations are now under way
1294
01:20:21,483 --> 01:20:23,485
in at least 10 countries.
1295
01:20:30,125 --> 01:20:32,260
NEWSREADER: In Europe, the
former prime minister of Norway
in a search of any potential
invictims from that country.
1296
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,763
has been charged
with gross corruption.
1297
01:20:40,402 --> 01:20:42,370
would investigateoland's prime
pothe convand Russianffenderry
intelligence services.
1298
01:20:43,338 --> 01:20:46,274
KLASFELD: The
people who maintained a
friendship with Epstein,
1299
01:20:46,374 --> 01:20:48,310
communications that
they thought were private
1300
01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:52,347
are now filling the pages
of newspapers internationally.
1301
01:20:53,982 --> 01:20:56,518
JESSE WEBER: My gosh,
was this embarrassing?
1302
01:20:56,618 --> 01:20:58,386
Can we start with Peter Attia?
1303
01:21:08,196 --> 01:21:10,799
CHRIS KENNY: Good Lord,
another very prominent person
1304
01:21:10,899 --> 01:21:13,235
caught up in all this
is Bill Gates, of course.
1305
01:21:13,335 --> 01:21:14,970
Claims that he picked up
1306
01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:18,240
a sexually transmitted disease
from a Russian woman.
1307
01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:20,475
He's denied that publicly.
1308
01:21:20,575 --> 01:21:22,844
WEBER: We have this footage
where Steve Bannon
1309
01:21:22,944 --> 01:21:27,382
is interviewing Epstein to try
to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
1310
01:21:27,482 --> 01:21:29,317
At the same time,
people are making sense
1311
01:21:29,417 --> 01:21:31,019
of the 3.5 million files,
1312
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:35,690
there's Congress, who is
continuing to investigate this
1313
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:38,026
and continuing to
call witnesses,
1314
01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:39,961
including the Attorney-General.
1315
01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:46,701
NEWSREADER: Alright, getting
back to our breaking news,
1316
01:21:46,801 --> 01:21:48,870
Attorney-General Pam Bondi
is set to testify
1317
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:51,806
before the House Judiciary
Committee at any moment now.
1318
01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:54,175
NEWSREADER 2: Survivors say
their identities were exposed
1319
01:21:54,276 --> 01:21:56,011
because of inadequate redaction.
1320
01:21:57,946 --> 01:21:59,848
PHILLIPS: Well, right now, we're
heading over to the Capitol.
1321
01:21:59,948 --> 01:22:04,452
I have a meeting with
Congressman Lou Correa.
1322
01:22:04,552 --> 01:22:08,757
After that, we'll be heading
over to Pam Bondi's hearing.
1323
01:22:18,533 --> 01:22:20,435
We have Congress
working on our side,
1324
01:22:20,535 --> 01:22:23,038
and, you know, they want answers
just as much as we do.
1325
01:22:24,706 --> 01:22:26,942
Hi. Nice to meet you.
Hi.
1326
01:22:27,042 --> 01:22:29,244
Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you.
Pleasure meeting you.
1327
01:22:29,344 --> 01:22:31,446
Come on in. We have a
camera guy following us.
1328
01:22:31,546 --> 01:22:33,882
Oh, my, I should
have put my tie on.
1329
01:22:40,288 --> 01:22:42,324
I wanna take a
moment to acknowledge
1330
01:22:42,424 --> 01:22:45,293
the Epstein survivors
who are here today.
1331
01:22:45,393 --> 01:22:48,596
I am deeply sorry
for what any victim,
1332
01:22:48,697 --> 01:22:51,533
any victim has been through.
1333
01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:57,505
Attorney-General Bondi, will you
turn to them now and apologise
1334
01:22:57,605 --> 01:23:02,377
for what your Department of
Justice has put them through
1335
01:23:02,477 --> 01:23:05,547
with the absolutely
unacceptable release of
1336
01:23:05,647 --> 01:23:08,616
the Epstein files
and their information.
1337
01:23:17,559 --> 01:23:21,196
PHILLIPS: I was pretty
shocked that she just
didn't even turn her head,
1338
01:23:21,296 --> 01:23:24,499
just not even just a little bit
just to acknowledge.
1339
01:23:24,599 --> 01:23:26,334
It doesn't even have to be
an apology,
1340
01:23:26,434 --> 01:23:28,436
but to acknowledge
that we were there
1341
01:23:28,536 --> 01:23:31,006
and that we represent
1,200 survivors.
1342
01:23:33,475 --> 01:23:35,710
To my right is an email
1343
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:38,580
that was sent by
the victims' lawyers to the DOJ.
1344
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,149
It was a list of names
not to release.
1345
01:23:41,249 --> 01:23:43,752
They released this email!
1346
01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:48,189
Literally the worst
thing you could do to
the survivors, you did.
1347
01:23:48,289 --> 01:23:50,225
And we know you touched
the document
1348
01:23:50,325 --> 01:23:51,860
because you redacted
the lawyer's name,
1349
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,095
but you left
the survivor's name there.
1350
01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:57,332
MAN: So, I really have
just one question for you.
1351
01:23:57,432 --> 01:24:00,635
How many of Epstein's
co-conspirators
have you indicted?
1352
01:24:00,735 --> 01:24:04,672
How many perpetrators
are you even investigating?
1353
01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,275
First, you showed a...
1354
01:24:07,375 --> 01:24:09,377
I find it...
How many have you indicted?
1355
01:24:09,477 --> 01:24:11,546
Excuse me,
I'm gonna answer the question.
1356
01:24:11,646 --> 01:24:12,614
Answer my question.
1357
01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:13,882
No, I'm gonna
answer the question
1358
01:24:13,982 --> 01:24:15,750
the way I want to answer
the question.
1359
01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:18,019
No, you can answer
the question... Your
theatrics are ridiculous.
1360
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:19,220
..the way I asked it.
1361
01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:25,994
PHILLIPS: I really got to see,
like, in the flesh, in person,
1362
01:24:26,094 --> 01:24:27,595
like, wow...
1363
01:24:28,997 --> 01:24:32,867
..they really are
turning a blind eye to
this for whatever reason.
1364
01:24:32,967 --> 01:24:35,970
And it only makes you
think that there's got
to be a real reason why,
1365
01:24:36,071 --> 01:24:37,138
right?
1366
01:24:39,374 --> 01:24:42,911
WOMAN: Madam Attorney-General,
will you meet with survivors
after this?
1367
01:24:43,011 --> 01:24:46,247
MAN: You're a disgrace to the
legal profession and to women.
1368
01:24:46,347 --> 01:24:49,617
What a shame you are!
Shameful person!
1369
01:24:52,087 --> 01:24:54,956
TOBIN: Are you looking at
the reaction
1370
01:24:55,056 --> 01:24:57,692
in Europe and the UK
and other parts of the world
1371
01:24:57,792 --> 01:25:00,528
and scratching your head
with what's going on here?
1372
01:25:00,628 --> 01:25:04,599
Yes. And I see
a different attitude overseas.
1373
01:25:04,699 --> 01:25:08,503
The untouchables
are touchable now.
1374
01:25:09,237 --> 01:25:11,673
Breaking news about
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
1375
01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:15,376
The BBC understands that he
has been arrested on suspicion
1376
01:25:15,477 --> 01:25:17,579
of misconduct in public office.
1377
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,814
NEWSREADER: It comes weeks
after the Justice Department
1378
01:25:19,914 --> 01:25:21,883
released emails
Andrew allegedly sent to
1379
01:25:21,983 --> 01:25:25,620
the late sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.
1380
01:25:32,794 --> 01:25:33,928
we'd always imagined
that it could come to this place
and he was arrested,
1381
01:25:34,028 --> 01:25:36,798
and I still found myself
absolutely speechless
1382
01:25:36,898 --> 01:25:38,800
for the first couple of hours.
1383
01:25:41,736 --> 01:25:43,471
NEWSREADER: Andrew was serving
as a UKand appears to have time,
forwarded Epstein
1384
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,443
British government documents
on trade policy.
But this wasn't the story
that we were following at all,
1385
01:25:48,543 --> 01:25:50,211
this was something
completely different.
1386
01:25:50,311 --> 01:25:54,449
REPORTER: Now Peter
Mandelson, who was the
UK ambassador to the US,
1387
01:25:54,549 --> 01:25:56,217
has also now been arrested.
1388
01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:59,821
And, you know, it's
fascinating to see how
far this chain will go.
1389
01:25:59,921 --> 01:26:02,590
We are probably
only at the very beginning.
1390
01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:15,436
CEObut I haven't seenle
gany arrests or investigations
here in the United States
from this Department of Justice.
1391
01:26:16,571 --> 01:26:20,542
As an American journalist
looking at everything
happening in Europe,
1392
01:26:20,642 --> 01:26:24,479
this is how
sophisticated democracies react
1393
01:26:24,579 --> 01:26:25,947
to alarming information -
1394
01:26:26,047 --> 01:26:27,048
they investigate.
1395
01:26:27,148 --> 01:26:29,784
I have nothing to hide.
I've been exonerated.
1396
01:26:29,884 --> 01:26:32,287
I have nothing to do with
Jeffrey Epstein.
1397
01:26:32,387 --> 01:26:35,423
KLASFELD: What we're seeing
in the United States is
1398
01:26:35,523 --> 01:26:37,859
Trump's Justice Department
trying to say
1399
01:26:37,959 --> 01:26:40,028
that there is
nothing to see here.
1400
01:26:40,128 --> 01:26:42,163
WEBER: Is there evidence
that Jeffrey Epstein
1401
01:26:42,263 --> 01:26:45,400
was trafficking girls
to other powerful men?
1402
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:48,703
According to the Associated
Press's review of the files,
1403
01:26:48,803 --> 01:26:50,271
the FBI says no.
1404
01:26:52,073 --> 01:26:55,510
In regards to the sex
trafficking and the abuse,
1405
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:57,845
do you personally
know of evidence
1406
01:26:57,946 --> 01:27:01,649
that exists within
the Department of Justice,
1407
01:27:01,749 --> 01:27:05,286
within the FBI,
that has not come out yet?
1408
01:27:05,386 --> 01:27:07,889
I do. I do.
1409
01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:14,729
BALTZ: You know,
when you have different girls
1410
01:27:14,829 --> 01:27:18,800
telling the same stories,
corroborating each other...
1411
01:27:19,968 --> 01:27:22,437
..that's powerful,
really powerful.
1412
01:27:22,537 --> 01:27:24,439
So, and again,
1413
01:27:24,539 --> 01:27:29,010
I think we have to believe
victims and survivors
of this sort of thing.
1414
01:27:31,179 --> 01:27:34,782
I know of people
that girls were traded out to
1415
01:27:34,882 --> 01:27:36,918
that have not come out.
1416
01:27:40,622 --> 01:27:42,657
I tend to believe that
1417
01:27:42,757 --> 01:27:45,126
this story
is going to outlive me
1418
01:27:45,226 --> 01:27:48,529
because it's filled with
so many mysteries,
1419
01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:50,031
things people don't know.
1420
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,737
We don't know the depth
of the cover-up yet,
1421
01:27:55,837 --> 01:28:01,776
but I think this will
eventually rank up there
with, uh, Watergate.
1422
01:28:01,876 --> 01:28:04,012
CARLSON: Hopefully
the American public's
1423
01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:06,281
going to continue
to care about this story
1424
01:28:06,381 --> 01:28:11,152
and continue to demand
that we get all of the answers.
1425
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,957
We're done
laying down and being quiet.
1426
01:28:16,057 --> 01:28:17,925
Now we're screaming in public.
1427
01:28:20,228 --> 01:28:21,729
BANNON: It's a serious question.
Oh, sorry.
1428
01:28:21,829 --> 01:28:23,998
Do you think
you're the devil himself?
1429
01:28:24,098 --> 01:28:25,633
I don't know.
Why would you say that?
1430
01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:28,236
Because you have all
the attributes. You're
incredibly smart.
1431
01:28:28,336 --> 01:28:29,937
You remember, the devil...
Is the devil smart?
1432
01:28:30,038 --> 01:28:32,774
The devil's brilliant.
1433
01:28:32,874 --> 01:28:35,610
SPENCER: Jeffrey Epstein
was the true epitome of evil.
1434
01:28:35,710 --> 01:28:40,848
Very polished,
wealthy, well-spoken,
very intelligent man.
1435
01:28:40,948 --> 01:28:44,218
And he used all
of that for evil.
1436
01:28:46,854 --> 01:28:49,123
MAITLIS: We do not
do this story justice
1437
01:28:49,223 --> 01:28:51,426
if we think
it starts and ends with Epstein.
1438
01:28:51,526 --> 01:28:52,660
Of course it doesn't.
1439
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,797
There is so much further to go.
1440
01:29:05,406 --> 01:29:07,175
Captions by Red Bee Media
1441
01:29:07,275 --> 01:29:09,243
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Broadcasting Corporation
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