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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,143 --> 00:00:12,245  MAN: Before we get into         the deep stuff, let's just talk, 2 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:13,747  let's give some basics.         3 00:00:13,847 --> 00:00:16,249  Remember, when you're answering these questions,                 4 00:00:16,349 --> 00:00:18,184    I'm not in the shot           5 00:00:18,284 --> 00:00:20,220   and they're never gonna hear   my voice.                        6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,654   Oh, boy. OK.                   7 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:25,592 WOMAN: The first                 word that I would use to         describe Jeffrey Epstein         8 00:00:25,692 --> 00:00:28,428   other than a predator          is 'mysterious'.                 9 00:00:29,662 --> 00:00:32,265   How did he become so wealthy?  10 00:00:32,365 --> 00:00:37,537   How did he ingratiate           himself into the exact            right social circles?          11 00:00:37,637 --> 00:00:41,074    How did he get away without   being caught for so long?        12 00:00:43,276 --> 00:00:45,645   (GIRLS LAUGH)                  13 00:00:48,982 --> 00:00:52,318  WOMAN: I never                   could have anticipated          14 00:00:52,419 --> 00:00:56,656  how diabolical                    Jeffrey Epstein was.           15 00:00:56,756 --> 00:00:59,626  MAN: There's something             deeply fucked up with you.    16 00:01:00,527 --> 00:01:01,628    At least something.           17 00:01:01,728 --> 00:01:03,430 We know there are things         deeply fucked up                 18 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:05,598   you will get through             in this film, right?           19 00:01:05,698 --> 00:01:08,201  MAN: Where I come from          you don't kill my brother        20 00:01:08,301 --> 00:01:09,636 and walk away from that.         21 00:01:11,638 --> 00:01:14,207    What are the Epstein files?   22 00:01:15,742 --> 00:01:19,446 WOMAN: The Epstein files          are all the information          that the government has         23 00:01:19,546 --> 00:01:22,615 regarding Jeffrey Epstein        and his co-conspirators.         24 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:28,154    MAN: Photographic evidence,    interviews of victims.          25 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:29,422   MAN 2: Emails written to him,  26 00:01:31,558 --> 00:01:34,027          tMAN 3: Court.           documents, FBI reports.         27 00:01:34,127 --> 00:01:39,299   And it is much more expansive  than you had ever even imagined. 28 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:41,968 MAN 4: People want to see names. 29 00:01:42,068 --> 00:01:44,137 They want to know                  who the sex traffickers are.   30 00:01:44,237 --> 00:01:46,339   They want to know who             the paedophiles are           31 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:47,640 and they want vengeance.         32 00:01:49,242 --> 00:01:52,245   WOMAN: Do you know the names      of powerful people            33 00:01:52,345 --> 00:01:54,681 who have not yet                   been named publicly?           34 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:55,715   Yes.                           35 00:01:56,749 --> 00:01:59,419    Congressman Khanna!           Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...        36 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:00,954 Nice to see you.                 ..from Australia.                37 00:02:01,054 --> 00:02:03,723 Why do you think                   it's a fight that has united   38 00:02:03,823 --> 00:02:06,326  a very divided                  political spectrum here?         39 00:02:06,426 --> 00:02:08,361  You can't rape underage girls.  40 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:10,263 You can't cover that up.         41 00:02:10,363 --> 00:02:12,832 MAN: Trump opened                up Pandora's box.                42 00:02:12,932 --> 00:02:16,736  He thought that he could crack    it open slightly and shut it.  43 00:02:16,836 --> 00:02:20,039   But the curse                   is not going back into the box. 44 00:02:21,407 --> 00:02:24,677   WOMAN: I don't understand why  the President fought it so hard. 45 00:02:24,777 --> 00:02:27,881    Releasing the Epstein files      is about revealing            46 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:32,218 all of that dirty, nasty,         horrible things that happened.  47 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:33,753    Why would he cover this up?   48 00:02:33,853 --> 00:02:36,890   MAN: I think he's protecting     rich and powerful men          49 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:40,260 who participated                    in sex trafficking.           50 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,228    REPORTER: 3 million pages,    51 00:02:42,328 --> 00:02:44,731  180,000 images.                 52 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,966  The latest dump                  from the Epstein files          53 00:02:47,066 --> 00:02:49,802  after weeks of                     political pressure.           54 00:02:49,903 --> 00:02:53,106    That moment                      created global shock waves.   55 00:02:53,206 --> 00:02:56,442    REPORTER: A day of extreme     jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.  56 00:02:56,543 --> 00:03:00,113   REPORTER 2: Norway's           Crown Princess is                facing intense scrutiny.         57 00:03:00,213 --> 00:03:02,015  REPORTER 3: Extraordinary news   out of the UK.                  58 00:03:02,115 --> 00:03:04,717 The former Prince Andrew            has been arrested.            59 00:03:04,817 --> 00:03:07,654 WOMAN: The Epstein files          are part of the Epstein story.  60 00:03:07,754 --> 00:03:09,856    You have to understand how    the Epstein files fit in         61 00:03:09,956 --> 00:03:11,824    to what Epstein was doing,    62 00:03:11,925 --> 00:03:16,129    and the failures of the US     government in doing their job.  63 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:20,400 WOMAN: The Epstein story            has one man at its centre,    64 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:22,802 one spider in the                   centre of the web.            65 00:03:22,902 --> 00:03:26,573  But that web could not            have been constructed          66 00:03:26,673 --> 00:03:29,142    without complicity.           67 00:03:30,476 --> 00:03:32,745   Do you think                   you're the devil himself?        68 00:03:32,845 --> 00:03:34,981 No. But I do have a good mirror. 69 00:03:58,137 --> 00:04:00,573 NEWSREADER: We are going to turn  now to the debate in Washington 70 00:04:00,673 --> 00:04:02,442 over the release                   of the Jeffrey Epstein files.  71 00:04:02,542 --> 00:04:05,645    Today, a group of survivors      of the Epstein controversy    72 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:07,547   will be here on Capitol Hill.  73 00:04:07,647 --> 00:04:10,550   Urgent new calls for           transparency from                   Epstein survivors,            74 00:04:10,650 --> 00:04:13,319    24 of whom are now             re-upping their demand          75 00:04:13,419 --> 00:04:16,923   that Congress release          all of the Epstein files.        76 00:04:17,023 --> 00:04:18,758  WOMAN: It's an                    honour to stand here           77 00:04:18,858 --> 00:04:22,328   for something America           is finally united on -          78 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:25,832   the immediate release            of the entire Epstein files.   79 00:04:28,401 --> 00:04:33,906   There's approximately            1,200 women that were             victims of Jeffrey Epstein    80 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:36,376  and they say other men.         81 00:04:36,476 --> 00:04:39,879    They've wanted justice and      they fought very hard for it.  82 00:04:39,979 --> 00:04:41,581 WOMAN: We are more than victims. 83 00:04:41,681 --> 00:04:44,250    We are mothers, daughters,    sisters, friends.                84 00:04:44,350 --> 00:04:45,985    And we will not be erased.    85 00:04:48,021 --> 00:04:51,591 MAN: Some of these women            have been at this 20 years.   86 00:04:51,691 --> 00:04:54,961   Some of them had, I believe,   almost given up.                 87 00:04:56,496 --> 00:04:59,399  But the fact that they             were invited to the capital     of the United States           88 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:10,009   and that every media outlet,     you know, showed up, they're   renewed in their efforts.        89 00:05:16,049 --> 00:05:19,786   This is me when I met          Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.           This is me when I met          Jeffrey Epstein.                 90 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:24,057    A lot of us, it was            the first time that we            had spoken publicly.           91 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:29,262  My name is Dani Bensky.           This was me at 17 years old.   92 00:05:29,362 --> 00:05:33,599 So we were just kind of standing   in solidarity with each other  93 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:35,168 and saying to the world,         94 00:05:35,268 --> 00:05:38,838 like, "There's more of us           than you thought."            95 00:05:38,938 --> 00:05:42,342    My name is Marina Lacerda.     I was minor victim one.         96 00:05:42,442 --> 00:05:46,379    My name is Gena-Lisa Jones      and I was only 14 years old.   97 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:48,381    My name is Chauntae Davis.    98 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:49,816   My name is Laura Bloom McGee.  99 00:05:49,916 --> 00:05:52,418 My name is Haley Robson.         My name is Anoushka De Georgiou. 100 00:05:52,518 --> 00:05:54,887 My name is Courtney Wild.        My name is Lisa Phillips.        101 00:05:54,987 --> 00:05:56,689    My name is Ashley Rubright    102 00:05:56,789 --> 00:06:00,993  and I am a survivor of Jeffrey   Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.  103 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:07,100  When you're a survivor of abuse  from a serial predator,         104 00:06:12,338 --> 00:06:15,007  you just have this bond         with the other survivors.        We understand each other           like nobody else can.          105 00:06:20,179 --> 00:06:24,350   WOMAN: It's been a tremendous    mountain to move to get here.  106 00:06:29,188 --> 00:06:32,392   It took an incredible outcry   from the public,                 107 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:35,027   huge political will,           108 00:07:03,523 --> 00:07:07,260   aAnd that's many, many tears    from the survivors to get here. So we're just heading in           to meet with Ashley Rubright,  109 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,368 whoAnd she's only just started     speaking out publicly             about what happened to her.   110 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:18,471  We're this house here.          111 00:07:21,174 --> 00:07:23,376 Hi, Ashley. How are you?            Good. How are you?            112 00:07:23,476 --> 00:07:25,445  It's nice to meet you.            So nice to meet you. Come in.  113 00:07:25,545 --> 00:07:28,080 Thank you so much for having us.    Of course.                    114 00:07:28,181 --> 00:07:29,949  Oh, it's still very Christmassy    in here, isn't it?            115 00:07:30,049 --> 00:07:31,951   Yes.                           (LAUGHS)                         116 00:07:36,689 --> 00:07:40,426 When did you meet                Jeffrey Epstein?                 117 00:07:40,526 --> 00:07:44,263   So it was about 2002 to 2003   118 00:07:44,363 --> 00:07:49,135 and I would have                 been...about 15.                 119 00:07:53,272 --> 00:07:56,309  I was going to                  Summit Christian School.         120 00:07:58,678 --> 00:08:00,379   I was a cheerleader.           121 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,083  I was in dance,                    like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.   122 00:08:04,183 --> 00:08:08,754 Um, I was working                at a barbecue restaurant         123 00:08:08,855 --> 00:08:11,324 and one of my coworkers,         124 00:08:11,424 --> 00:08:13,960    he asked me one day           in the restaurant                125 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:17,997   if I would like to give a man     a massage for $200.           126 00:08:19,665 --> 00:08:25,071  I thought about it for a second and said, "Sure."                127 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:35,114  I just remember pulling           into his house in Palm Beach.  128 00:08:38,417 --> 00:08:41,153  And we were led                 into the kitchen.                129 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:48,461  And then Sarah Kellen came in,   his assistant.                  130 00:08:48,561 --> 00:08:50,363 Said it was time.                131 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:58,037 Then Sarah, she's the one          that led me upstairs.          132 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:03,376   I didn't look around.          I was just looking down.         133 00:09:03,476 --> 00:09:08,447  So all I remember was the pink   carpet on the spiral staircase. 134 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:18,391  And she opened the door         and said, "Alright, I'll           be back in an hour."           135 00:09:22,395 --> 00:09:27,166    I was shocked when I walked      into the bathroom.            136 00:09:30,269 --> 00:09:33,272  But then I calmed myself down,  thinking,                        137 00:09:33,372 --> 00:09:37,143  "Of course, he's naked because   that's how people get massages  138 00:09:37,243 --> 00:09:39,645    "and I should just               not be so shocked."           139 00:09:45,918 --> 00:09:48,554  He just kind of                    laid on the table.            140 00:09:48,654 --> 00:09:52,291    And then he told me              how to massage him.           141 00:09:55,661 --> 00:09:57,930   Then he flipped over.          142 00:09:58,030 --> 00:09:59,565  And...                          143 00:10:03,936 --> 00:10:06,572  That's... Things got...         144 00:10:06,672 --> 00:10:09,842  ..really way more inappropriate  there.                          145 00:10:09,942 --> 00:10:13,079   And he asked me to...          146 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:18,017    ..to take off my bra and...   147 00:10:18,117 --> 00:10:20,753   ..to pull up my skirt          148 00:10:20,853 --> 00:10:22,355  and...                          149 00:10:26,425 --> 00:10:29,295  He was touching himself          the whole time.                 150 00:10:29,395 --> 00:10:31,297  I was just trying not to look.  151 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:36,502   And he would grab me,          152 00:10:36,602 --> 00:10:39,338   grab my behind and...          153 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:46,445   I was just trying to            not be there, you know,         154 00:10:46,545 --> 00:10:47,747   at that time.                  155 00:10:47,847 --> 00:10:49,181  And...                          156 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:54,353   ..he finished and hopped up.   157 00:10:54,453 --> 00:10:55,454  And...                          158 00:10:56,889 --> 00:11:00,359   ..then Sarah came in              and led me back downstairs.   159 00:11:03,529 --> 00:11:05,297  I felt shocked.                 160 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:07,466  And then I remember...          161 00:11:08,934 --> 00:11:10,803    ..trying to rationalise it.   162 00:11:12,171 --> 00:11:15,408 It had to have just been            like a fluke, a one time...   163 00:11:16,409 --> 00:11:18,277   ..thing that he just           couldn't control.                164 00:11:21,747 --> 00:11:23,816   I did go back one more time.   165 00:11:24,483 --> 00:11:27,453  The second time, it escalated.  166 00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:31,424 I just remembered Jeffrey         bringing over a basket          167 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:36,295   and asking me to pick            one and asking me if             I knew how to use it.          168 00:11:36,395 --> 00:11:37,363  And...                          169 00:11:38,397 --> 00:11:40,299  ..he had me sit                   on the bathroom floor          170 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,302  and he sat on the edge            of the massage table.          171 00:11:44,937 --> 00:11:46,572   And I remember what happened.  172 00:11:47,807 --> 00:11:50,342   A basket of sex toys?            Yes.                           173 00:11:50,443 --> 00:11:52,712    Thank you for saying that.    Yeah. That's OK.                 174 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:02,888 So this was 2000.                175 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,659  And these are all just,           like, happy messages.          176 00:12:09,195 --> 00:12:12,231    I read some of my yearbooks   177 00:12:12,331 --> 00:12:14,633  and it was such                 a drastic change.                178 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:20,339   Right after Jeffrey,           179 00:12:20,439 --> 00:12:24,143    the messages, even my face.   180 00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:26,812  Everything had started            to just look darker.           181 00:12:28,614 --> 00:12:32,451    This one says, "We had fun    when you're not so mad."         182 00:12:32,551 --> 00:12:35,221 or, "You're sweet                   when you're not mad." Yeah.   183 00:12:36,355 --> 00:12:38,157   I was angry, and I...          184 00:12:39,458 --> 00:12:43,829  ..I didn't care who got         the brunt of it, at all.         185 00:12:44,897 --> 00:12:45,931   Yeah.                          186 00:12:47,199 --> 00:12:50,503  I stopped cheerleading,         I stopped dance.                 187 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:54,807 And I kind of went from, like... 188 00:12:56,475 --> 00:13:00,179    ..trying to do good              to just not caring.           189 00:13:02,882 --> 00:13:06,352    Did you tell anyone             what happened to you?          190 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:08,254    Just my friend Sean           191 00:13:08,354 --> 00:13:10,489 but nobody else.                 192 00:13:12,925 --> 00:13:16,328 I didn't think there was a story    to tell, really, you know?    193 00:13:24,270 --> 00:13:29,141  MAN: Mr Epstein, is it true you   were born January 20th, 1953?  194 00:13:29,241 --> 00:13:30,643   Yes.                           195 00:13:30,743 --> 00:13:32,511  Where?                          New York.                        196 00:13:33,479 --> 00:13:35,581    Where in New York.            Brooklyn.                        197 00:13:48,928 --> 00:13:50,095    Hey, Adam.                       Hi, Grace.                    198 00:13:50,196 --> 00:13:51,530   How are you?                     Pleasure to meet you.          199 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:54,433   Nice to meet you too. Thanks    so much for doing this with us. 200 00:13:54,533 --> 00:13:56,535 My pleasure, my pleasure.        201 00:13:59,872 --> 00:14:03,142   Adam, can you tell me            a bit about yourself?          202 00:14:03,242 --> 00:14:07,780  Well, I've been a legal           journalist for close              to two decades now,           203 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,851 and the Southern District of      New York was my long-time beat. 204 00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:14,687 So you see a lot of cases        205 00:14:14,787 --> 00:14:18,824  of national and                    international significance     going into that court.          206 00:14:18,924 --> 00:14:21,460   And one of them just happened  to be Epstein's.                 207 00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:32,037  We are in Coney Island.         208 00:14:32,137 --> 00:14:33,939  Coney Island, Brooklyn.         209 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:48,487 We're right near                  where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.  210 00:14:48,587 --> 00:14:51,156   And this is actually            the Sea Gate community          211 00:14:51,257 --> 00:14:52,691   in the distance right there,   212 00:14:52,791 --> 00:14:54,827 Jeffrey Epstein's                 childhood home.                 213 00:15:01,934 --> 00:15:03,769    Jeffrey Epstein had              a modest upbringing           214 00:15:03,869 --> 00:15:06,105 in an immigrant community          in Brooklyn.                   215 00:15:06,205 --> 00:15:09,074   His father worked at the New      York City Parks Department.   216 00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:11,377  His mother worked at a school.  217 00:15:11,477 --> 00:15:13,979   And he had a younger brother,    Mark.                          218 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:18,384   He had a lifelong fascination  with math                        219 00:15:18,484 --> 00:15:21,487   and by all accounts,            was pretty good at it.          220 00:15:26,325 --> 00:15:28,427  This is The Dalton Prep School. 221 00:15:30,462 --> 00:15:33,732  It is where he                     got his first job.            222 00:15:35,367 --> 00:15:37,937    Even though he was               a college dropout,            223 00:15:38,037 --> 00:15:41,006   his first job was at           a very prestigious school        224 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:42,808   where he was a math teacher.   225 00:15:44,376 --> 00:15:46,545  One of the parents of a student 226 00:15:46,645 --> 00:15:49,515 introduced him to                the CEO of Bear Stearns,         227 00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:51,583    a man named Ace Greenberg,    228 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:54,320    where he got his first job     on Wall Street.                 229 00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:56,855  (GENERAL STOCK MARKET CHATTER)  230 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,765  We are on Wall Street,          231 00:16:06,865 --> 00:16:10,436   where Jeffrey Epstein          made his fortune.                232 00:16:13,539 --> 00:16:15,908 He was, by all accounts,          very charming.                  233 00:16:17,409 --> 00:16:20,412 Jeffrey Epstein tried to,          throughout his life,           234 00:16:20,512 --> 00:16:23,048   make connections with people     with money and power.          235 00:16:25,184 --> 00:16:28,620 He was able to get people           to trust him very quickly.    236 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:35,694 He won the trust of billionaires    like Leslie Wexner,           237 00:16:35,794 --> 00:16:38,230  who gave him power of attorney. 238 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:41,867  He won the trust of Leon Black, 239 00:16:41,967 --> 00:16:45,571   who paid him                   hundreds of millions of dollars, 240 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:48,374    far above the market rate.    241 00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:52,578    And from there, uh,              there is a lot of mystery,    242 00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:55,547    but we're getting a picture     more and more                  243 00:16:55,647 --> 00:16:58,317 of him finagling people,         244 00:16:58,417 --> 00:17:00,552 uh, wheeling and dealing,        245 00:17:00,652 --> 00:17:03,622   and ultimately became             fabulously wealthy.           246 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:10,362  This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper    East Side townhouse mansion   247 00:17:10,462 --> 00:17:15,567    and the famous, uh,            lantern over the door.          248 00:17:16,568 --> 00:17:18,670  He had a massage room in there. 249 00:17:21,173 --> 00:17:25,344  He had the dining room,           where he entertained.          250 00:17:25,444 --> 00:17:28,847    I mean, the photos            really do tell the story.        251 00:17:32,818 --> 00:17:36,155   Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine     Maxwell in the early 1990s.   252 00:17:38,357 --> 00:17:41,860    As the daughter of a media     tycoon, with a British accent,  253 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,463    she brought something that      Jeffrey Epstein didn't have -  254 00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:46,999   access to the elite.           255 00:17:47,099 --> 00:17:48,167   Have you got drinks?           256 00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:54,106 They socialised with politicians 257 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:57,309    with big names in academia,     finance, you name it.          258 00:17:57,409 --> 00:18:00,679   Whether it was the man known     at the time as Prince Andrew.  259 00:18:02,281 --> 00:18:05,217 Or whether it was                 former president Bill Clinton.  260 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:10,756 He had his private island        in the US Virgin Islands,        261 00:18:10,856 --> 00:18:14,393   a ranch outside of Santa Fe,   262 00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:16,995  property in Palm Beach          263 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:18,897   and in Paris.                  264 00:18:22,201 --> 00:18:27,139   He was flaunting his             jet-setting lifestyle           and his massive wealth.         265 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:37,649    JEFFREY EPSTEIN: Look at me   like you love me.                266 00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:39,017   I can't wait.                  267 00:18:41,386 --> 00:18:44,423  OK, so now I'm walking towards  268 00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:46,458  the lily pond.                  269 00:18:46,558 --> 00:18:49,061 I'm here on the beach by myself. 270 00:18:49,161 --> 00:18:52,831    This is my swimming           pool - my beach.                 271 00:18:52,931 --> 00:18:54,800  No-one's allowed to dock here.  272 00:18:56,502 --> 00:18:58,103    The luncheon place.           273 00:18:59,238 --> 00:19:00,172   The nursery.                   274 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,308    At the point there             is the library.                 275 00:19:08,847 --> 00:19:10,883 PHILLIPS: It's an honour            to stand here again           276 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:14,119   for something                    America is finally united on.  277 00:19:14,219 --> 00:19:17,656   The immediate release            of the entire Epstein files.   278 00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:26,665 So these are just                 my modelling pictures.          279 00:19:26,765 --> 00:19:29,301  Mm-hm.                          Like, when I started out.        280 00:19:29,401 --> 00:19:31,336  This is when I was 17.          281 00:19:31,436 --> 00:19:36,008  I would send these to modelling agencies to get started.         282 00:19:36,108 --> 00:19:38,243  I was a fashion                    model in New York,            283 00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:41,914   had worked my way up            since I was 15 or 16 years old. 284 00:19:42,014 --> 00:19:44,383 So this was from the actual week  I met Jeffrey.                  285 00:19:44,483 --> 00:19:45,851    Ah.                           286 00:19:45,951 --> 00:19:49,688  The year 2000 and I had booked,  like, a really big job.         287 00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:55,160   Our agent at the time, Jeff,      sent us to Tortola              on the Caribbean Sea.          288 00:19:58,397 --> 00:20:00,065    Tortola was a small island.   289 00:20:00,165 --> 00:20:02,201  There was really not that much    to do there.                   290 00:20:02,301 --> 00:20:05,237  So the other model was          like, "You know, we have           a free day tomorrow."          291 00:20:05,337 --> 00:20:08,840 She suggested we                  go see her friend, you           know, Jeffrey Epstein,          292 00:20:08,941 --> 00:20:10,776   that owned an island nearby.   293 00:20:12,144 --> 00:20:14,379    Yeah, we were both,           like maybe 22 years old.         294 00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:18,984    Spent the day just,             like, playing in the              pool, in the ocean.           295 00:20:19,084 --> 00:20:23,121  And there I met                   two other young blonde girls.  296 00:20:24,456 --> 00:20:27,759   Went to dinner that evening,      and I met Jeffrey Epstein.    297 00:20:29,294 --> 00:20:31,029    He was laser focused on me    298 00:20:31,129 --> 00:20:34,600   and asking so many questions      about my childhood            299 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:37,202  and my dreams and aspirations.  300 00:20:37,302 --> 00:20:40,339    I had told him in that time   that we had shared on the island 301 00:20:40,439 --> 00:20:42,007 that I wanted to                 be a Ford model,                 302 00:20:42,107 --> 00:20:44,710  and I kind of built up          this trust with this man.        303 00:20:48,213 --> 00:20:50,916  Getting ready to go to            sleep, there just was            a knock at the door,           304 00:20:51,016 --> 00:20:54,119 and one of the other young girls  poked her head in and was like, 305 00:20:54,219 --> 00:20:56,255 "Jeffrey's ready                   for his massage now."          306 00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:58,657   And I'm just like, "OK, well,  you go ahead, I'm going to bed." 307 00:20:58,757 --> 00:21:02,361  And she was just like,            "No, he said for you             to give the massage."          308 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:06,865 Long story short,                 like, I just had to go.         309 00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:13,372  And so I experienced, you know,  sexual abuse that evening, um,  310 00:21:13,472 --> 00:21:17,342  from Jeffrey and the other girl  that was there.                 311 00:21:39,197 --> 00:21:42,034   I think when you're younger,      you always blame yourself.    312 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,036   Like, "What did I do?           Was I flirting with this guy?"  313 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,105   Like, I went home and           I wanted nothing to do            with him after that.           314 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:51,376    And a few months had passed   and he called me.                315 00:21:54,446 --> 00:21:57,949  A lot of my modelling castings   would be here in Soho.          316 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:00,052 Right up here, when I was         walking, right up here          317 00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,187 was where I got the call           from Jeffrey.                  318 00:22:02,287 --> 00:22:06,658   He was very brief and to the     point that he had remembered,  319 00:22:06,758 --> 00:22:09,161 you know, my goals and ambitions  that I told him on the island - 320 00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:11,863    that I wanted to be a Ford    model, big dream of mine,        321 00:22:11,963 --> 00:22:14,833    and that he knew the owner      of the Ford Modelling Agency   322 00:22:14,933 --> 00:22:17,102    and for me to go over there      and meet with her.            323 00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:19,771 And I was just thinking,         324 00:22:19,871 --> 00:22:22,674  whatever happened to me            on the island wasn't good,    325 00:22:22,774 --> 00:22:24,743  but maybe he was trying            to make up for it,            326 00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:27,612   you know, by saying,            "I remember your goal,          327 00:22:27,713 --> 00:22:29,214    "well, I can help you out."   328 00:22:30,248 --> 00:22:31,683 During that time,                329 00:22:31,783 --> 00:22:34,753   were you ever abused           by Epstein again                 330 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:37,956 or any men in his orbit?         331 00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:40,092  So, yeah, I was                   abused by him again.           332 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:42,227    And through his connections   333 00:22:42,327 --> 00:22:45,130  where he would sent me          on auditions and things.         334 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:48,467   But back then, I wasn't aware   that I was trafficked.          335 00:22:50,969 --> 00:22:55,040    Can you explain a bit more    about how the trafficking        operation worked?                336 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:57,843   Well, auditions are castings      by Epstein.                   337 00:22:57,943 --> 00:22:59,544   So it's like,                     "Oh, let me just send you.    338 00:22:59,644 --> 00:23:02,547   "My friend is casting            a really big film right now."  339 00:23:02,647 --> 00:23:04,216 And you're sent somewhere        340 00:23:04,316 --> 00:23:07,419   where all of a sudden            you're propositioned for sex   341 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,989 and the people around you        are enforcing it.                342 00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:15,260  Just thought it                 was the business.                343 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,363   Just thought I was going to a   casting and audition, working,  344 00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:21,733  and that's kind of how some of  the older men were, just creepy. 345 00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:25,270 And I never connected it         to a more nefarious ring         346 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:28,273 that involved modelling agencies   and Epstein.                   347 00:23:29,808 --> 00:23:33,779  There were hundreds of          girls from these Eastern            European countries            348 00:23:33,879 --> 00:23:36,381 sent to Paris, sent to New York. 349 00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:39,417  You know, they were doing quite  abusive things to these models. 350 00:23:40,786 --> 00:23:42,988   It was like a                     well-oiled machine.           351 00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:48,427  Fast forward a few years later, 352 00:23:48,527 --> 00:23:53,131  I had a girlfriend who was also  involved in this Epstein world. 353 00:23:54,199 --> 00:23:56,134  She had came to me one evening    and said that                  354 00:23:56,234 --> 00:23:58,170 Jeffrey had made                    her go into a room,           355 00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,739  made to go have                 sex with somebody                356 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,676    and so she at that            time was scared.                 357 00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,878 I became scared,                 and we kind of...                358 00:24:06,978 --> 00:24:08,980 ..both kind of moved out         of New York at that time         359 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,184  and I never saw him again after that 'cause I was scared.        360 00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:25,430 KLASFELD: Jeffrey                Epstein's trail of sexual        abuse happened globally.         361 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:32,304    However, Palm Beach            was the centre, in many         ways, of the sexual abuse        362 00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:35,674   and where his crimes             were originally investigated.  363 00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:47,085   Hey there. We're just             driving around Palm Beach.    364 00:24:47,185 --> 00:24:48,987  Is there any way to get through  or no?                          365 00:24:49,087 --> 00:24:50,489    No, not...                     Is this closed?                 366 00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:52,991    Yeah. OK. Alright.              Just wanted to check.          367 00:24:53,091 --> 00:24:54,793 Why is it closed?                368 00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:57,496 Because Trump's in town.         369 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,469    So I'm Holly Baltz.           370 00:25:04,569 --> 00:25:09,641   I'm a retired investigations   editor from the Palm Beach Post. 371 00:25:09,741 --> 00:25:11,476    Just newly retired.           372 00:25:12,811 --> 00:25:18,049    We, as in the Post, covered   Epstein from the very beginning. 373 00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:27,025  I never could have anticipated    how big this case got to be.   374 00:25:29,427 --> 00:25:32,731  Palm Beach Police first started   investigating Jeffrey Epstein  375 00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:36,535    when the stepmother           of a ninth grader                376 00:25:36,635 --> 00:25:38,603  at Royal Palm Beach High School reported                         377 00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:43,241  that a wealthy man had molested  her daughter in March of 2005.  378 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:47,178    This is the east/west route   379 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,248  that goes past                    Royal Palm Beach High School.  380 00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:55,120 You know, it wasn't just           the one girl.                  381 00:25:56,388 --> 00:26:01,359    Police found that a number     of victims were recruited here. 382 00:26:04,095 --> 00:26:06,765   They started                   interviewing more girls,         383 00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:10,168  and every time they did, it was    like peeling back an onion.   384 00:26:22,781 --> 00:26:26,618  Not only were the girls getting    sexually abused themselves,   385 00:26:26,718 --> 00:26:30,488  but he also offered to pay them  if they'd bring their friends.  386 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,792 Um, and these were girls          who didn't have a lot of money. 387 00:26:37,395 --> 00:26:41,366 KLASFELD: During                  Jeffrey Epstein's first          criminal investigation,         388 00:26:41,466 --> 00:26:44,836   many of the survivors           started finding lawyers         389 00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:50,108 who were willing to bring          their stories forward             and file lawsuits.            390 00:26:50,208 --> 00:26:54,279 MAN: I first got involved          in the Epstein matter             back in about 2006.           391 00:26:55,714 --> 00:27:00,118   I was working at a litigation   firm here in Palm Beach County  392 00:27:00,218 --> 00:27:03,955  and a young girl walked         into our office with her parents 393 00:27:08,994 --> 00:27:10,895 and told a crazy story about      a rich man on Palm Beach Island   that had paid her about $200   394 00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:12,797 to go to the home                 and give him a massage          395 00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:15,834    that turned into a              sexually explicit and           inappropriate massage.          396 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:19,270    Initially,                       I didn't quite believe her,   397 00:27:19,371 --> 00:27:21,940  to be perfectly honest,           it sounded pretty incredible.  398 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,643  But once I interviewed            the police detective           399 00:27:24,743 --> 00:27:26,678    that was conducting              the investigation,            400 00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:28,179  I realised that this was real.  401 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:33,118   Michael Reiter was the chief      of police back at the time.   402 00:27:33,218 --> 00:27:35,654    And Joe Recarey was            the lead investigator.          403 00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:40,025 Correct?                         404 00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:41,760  OK. You were like the houseman? 405 00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:46,564 What can you tell me about that? 406 00:27:52,437 --> 00:27:54,739   So he can massage in             the morning, massage           in the afternoon.                407 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,174    And besides that...           408 00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:58,710    OK.                           409 00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:00,211  And actually...                 410 00:28:03,581 --> 00:28:07,018 BALTZ: As police officers         gathered the evidence,          411 00:28:07,118 --> 00:28:11,356   Epstein put together           a huge team of...                412 00:28:11,456 --> 00:28:14,125 It was like a dream team.        413 00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:26,471    and attorneys who,            uh, were very aggressive.torneys    KUVIN: It is widely             reported that Jeffrey             Epstein and his legal team    414 00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:29,874  had some of the victims           followed by blacked-out SUVs,  415 00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:33,678  uh, you know, showed...            showing up at their houses.   416 00:28:33,778 --> 00:28:36,848 But they were also investigating    the lead investigator, Joe.   417 00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:38,750 And I asked to meet him.         418 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:43,154 So he picked a Starbucks           in downtown West Palm Beach.   419 00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:45,423  And when I sat down and         I started talking to him,        420 00:28:45,523 --> 00:28:47,792 his head was on a swivel            and he kept looking around.   421 00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,961   And I said, "What are you...     what are you doing?"           422 00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:53,298  And I'll never forget,             he looks at me and he says,   423 00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:57,302 "You have no idea                   what they're doing to me."    424 00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,771   They had been digging             through his personal trash,   425 00:28:59,871 --> 00:29:01,139    and he said to me,            426 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,676    "I've never seen this kind    of an operation before."         427 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:16,521 But Palm Beach Police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein. 428 00:29:16,621 --> 00:29:19,357   We're police officers           of Palm Beach County, Florida.  429 00:29:19,457 --> 00:29:21,659    They kept amassing victims.   430 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,596  The premises occupied or under   the control of Jeffrey Epstein. 431 00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:26,931 White male. Date                 of birth 1/20/53.                432 00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,670 KLASFELD: When the first          criminal investigation             of Jeffrey Epstein            433 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,472   was going on,                  434 00:29:34,572 --> 00:29:38,176   it had originally seemed like    something that could sustain   435 00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:40,779    an indictment with            dozens of counts,                436 00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:45,150    that Palm Beach Police were     building a very strong case.   437 00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,086 But when the entire case          was packaged up                 438 00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:50,221 and given to the                 state attorney...                439 00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:54,025 ..the state attorney here        in Palm Beach at the time        440 00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,394   decided not to file charges.   441 00:29:56,494 --> 00:30:01,032  Chief of Police Michael          Reiter was so upset at           the lack of prosecution         442 00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:02,567    on the state level            443 00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:05,236   that he elevated this            to the federal level.          444 00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:10,775  BALTZ: The FBI was keen            to prosecute in the             beginning, for sure.           445 00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:16,080 And they found very much similar   things as Palm Beach Police,   446 00:30:16,181 --> 00:30:17,482 but new victims.                 447 00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:23,388 And what came of that was         a draft indictment, 60 counts.  448 00:30:24,455 --> 00:30:27,392 However, this giant case          that Palm Beach Police          449 00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:30,195 spent so much time investigating 450 00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:33,331  pleaded down to                   a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal  451 00:30:33,431 --> 00:30:37,001  after intense lobbying            by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.  452 00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,438    The charges                      that they ended up bringing   453 00:30:40,538 --> 00:30:43,908 were solicitation                  for prostitution of a minor.   454 00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:48,446  It's basically calling             these victims prostitutes.    455 00:30:48,546 --> 00:30:52,317   The deal was approved           by then US attorney Alex Acosta 456 00:30:52,417 --> 00:30:55,086   and then kept secret           from the victims.                457 00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:58,656 And I think that                 the sweetheart plea deal         458 00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:01,626    was, in many ways,            the original sin of this.        459 00:31:03,628 --> 00:31:06,397   KUVIN: It was one of the most     awful deals I've ever seen.   460 00:31:06,497 --> 00:31:11,035    There isn't a plea            deal before or since that        I've ever seen like this.        461 00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:19,677 It gave complete immunity          to not just Epstein,           462 00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:22,647  but it included                    and not limited to            463 00:31:22,747 --> 00:31:26,184 potential co-conspirators           Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,   464 00:31:26,284 --> 00:31:28,887 Lesley Groff, and                Nadia Marcinkova.                465 00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:32,090    TOBIN: And so these           are some of the women who           helped recruit other girls?   466 00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:33,992    Yeah, in the sexual            pyramid scheme,                 467 00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:36,327  these were the people that were    really at the third level,    468 00:31:36,427 --> 00:31:38,930  right below Ghislaine Maxwell.  469 00:31:41,432 --> 00:31:44,335 REPORTER: Jeffrey Epstein        went to jail just before            10:00 this morning.           470 00:31:44,435 --> 00:31:46,271 He pleaded guilty in open court. 471 00:31:46,371 --> 00:31:48,373    He agreed to serve              a total of 18 months           472 00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:49,908  in a Palm Beach                    detention facility.           473 00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,280   People who commit sex crimes    against minors                  474 00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,082 go to prison for                 a very long time.                475 00:31:59,017 --> 00:32:00,785   Not Jeffrey Epstein.           476 00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:04,455    He was sentenced to              18 months in jail.            477 00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:10,795 He could get work release for 12   hours a day, six days a week.  478 00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,233   FREEMAN: He wound up             being in a cushy jail          479 00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:18,136   where he was the only person     in that wing.                  480 00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:23,174    He could go out, go              to his office, take             a walk on the beach,           481 00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:27,145   do whatever he wanted           during the day.                   That's no kind of punishment.  482 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:31,182   KUVIN: We had been litigating   against Epstein                 483 00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:33,484  on behalf of one of my clients. 484 00:32:33,584 --> 00:32:36,554 He was being allowed out           during days.                   485 00:32:36,654 --> 00:32:39,090   So we noticed Epstein           for deposition.                 486 00:32:41,025 --> 00:32:43,861 Could you please give us            your name? Jeffrey Epstein.   487 00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:46,764    So I wanted him to realise    I didn't care who he was,        488 00:32:46,864 --> 00:32:49,133    what his power was,             what his status was,           489 00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:51,803    I was gonna ask him             the most embarrassing           possible thing I could.         490 00:32:53,071 --> 00:32:55,440   Is it true, sir, that, um...   491 00:32:56,774 --> 00:33:00,478 ..you have what's been described  as an egg-shaped penis?         492 00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:05,717   He hears me ask the question,   watch him look at his lawyers,  493 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,685  like, "Can you believe            he's asking me this?"          494 00:33:07,785 --> 00:33:10,755  MAN: And I'm going to give you    the first warning, Mr Kuvin.   495 00:33:10,855 --> 00:33:13,124    I had been the first lawyer   to ask him any questions         496 00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,360 in the cases that                 had been filed.                 497 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:19,597 One witness described your penis  as oval-shaped,                 498 00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,933  thin and small towards          the head portion.                499 00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,435 See, he's angry.                 He's ready to walk out the door. 500 00:33:24,535 --> 00:33:26,738 And then he sees that the        attorneys are gonna talk.        501 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:30,341   That serves no other purpose   other than embarrass Mr Epstein. 502 00:33:30,441 --> 00:33:32,643   It's just totally unethical.    It's improper.                  503 00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,178  The purpose of that question is 504 00:33:34,278 --> 00:33:38,149  how could a 14-year-old           know what his private          part looked like?                505 00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:42,487 That question was                  directly relevant to            the claims in the case.         506 00:33:42,587 --> 00:33:45,023   The deposition is terminated    at this point.                  507 00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:47,525    OK. Thanks a lot. I           appreciate it. Thank you.        508 00:33:51,162 --> 00:33:53,331 Shortest deposition I've           ever taken. (LAUGHS)           509 00:33:53,431 --> 00:33:54,899   Ever.                            Ever.                          510 00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:58,069  Wow. So he probably is feeling   pretty confident at this point  511 00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,338 that he's gotten away with this.    Pretty much. Yeah.            512 00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:01,806   I mean, he had done his deal,  513 00:34:01,906 --> 00:34:03,908    and now he was just           getting through the civil cases, 514 00:34:04,008 --> 00:34:06,077   thinking that it was            all over and all done.          515 00:34:21,526 --> 00:34:25,463 NEWSREADER: A few steps,           a smile and a wave to           the deputy at the door.         516 00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:28,065    We watched Jeffrey Epstein    walk out of jail.                517 00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:32,236 Epstein served 13 months         of an 18-month sentence.         518 00:34:32,336 --> 00:34:34,338 MAN: He's very happy that        his jail sentence is over        519 00:34:34,439 --> 00:34:37,041 and he can begin                    a new chapter in his life.    520 00:34:38,876 --> 00:34:41,245  KLASFELD: When Jeffrey Epstein  got out of jail,                 521 00:34:41,345 --> 00:34:42,947 the fact that he was prosecuted, 522 00:34:43,047 --> 00:34:45,783   the fact that he was           a registered sex offender        523 00:34:45,883 --> 00:34:47,852  didn't seem to stand in the way 524 00:34:47,952 --> 00:34:52,957 of his re-entry into high           society, wealth and power.    525 00:34:55,793 --> 00:34:59,497  The power and influence he had  convinced a lot of people        526 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:00,865  to look the other way.          527 00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:03,901   Prince Andrew looked            the other way.                  528 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:10,575  We also saw Bill Gates meeting   with Epstein, despite his past. 529 00:35:12,176 --> 00:35:14,745    WOMAN: He was some sort of     soothsayer, apparently,         530 00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:18,082   to a lot of these men          that were asking him for advice. 531 00:35:18,182 --> 00:35:21,719   I think that a lot of people     probably knew                  532 00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:23,621  that everything                 was not on the up and up,        533 00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,592 but for whatever reason,         they wanted to be a part           of his inner circle.           534 00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:35,566   I had a reporter who             was covering Epstein            every step of the way.          535 00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:40,638 It was difficult                  to get people to pay attention. 536 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:46,577   They felt like he had served      his time and there you go.    537 00:35:46,677 --> 00:35:49,313   Epstein's conviction           wasn't even a speed bump.        538 00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:55,386 I've been researching and         writing about child trafficking 539 00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,555 since 2002, 2003,                540 00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,191 and I had this intuition           that Jeffrey Epstein           541 00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:08,466  was very similar to the network  that I'd investigated,            and I just felt that            something was seriously wrong.  542 00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:12,803    So in 2012, I went             down to Florida                 543 00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,174    and I had the good fortune       of getting the black book.    544 00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:24,215   The black book is just a list   of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.  545 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:28,319   It has billionaires,           546 00:36:28,419 --> 00:36:30,321  some people in showbiz,         547 00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:32,056   captains of industry.          548 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:38,296  Um, and multiple girls           were in the black book.         549 00:36:41,799 --> 00:36:44,302 I started talking                  to some of the girls,          550 00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:48,773   and they told me that they'd    been flown here or flown there  551 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,642 and then one told me that         she'd been flown to an island.  552 00:36:52,276 --> 00:36:54,278    So in 2012,                   553 00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:58,516    I believed Jeffrey Epstein     was running a network.          554 00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,418  And I also had the flight logs. 555 00:37:01,752 --> 00:37:04,822   So were these                  the flight logs just for         his private plane, then?         556 00:37:04,922 --> 00:37:05,790   Yes.                           557 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,593  Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,  558 00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:10,995   Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.   559 00:37:11,095 --> 00:37:13,030    I mean, there were a number    of very powerful people         560 00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,133   that were flying with          Jeffrey Epstein.                 561 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:20,104 And there were a number of girls    on the flight logs,           562 00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:24,442    and I assumed that            some of them were minors.        563 00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:33,017  I worked on getting that story     published for three years,    564 00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:37,855   and finally Gawker stepped up   and published my work.          565 00:37:40,891 --> 00:37:43,361   The mainstream media            just didn't want to embrace it. 566 00:37:48,232 --> 00:37:51,869  KLASFELD: After                 that point, we would get         glimpses of information.         567 00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:57,908   Virginia Giuffre, one          of the Epstein survivors         from Palm Beach,                 568 00:37:58,009 --> 00:38:02,046  had moved to Australia           after escaping Jeffrey Epstein. 569 00:38:02,146 --> 00:38:06,417 She claimed that she was         trafficked to then-Prince Andrew 570 00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:07,952   when she was a minor.          571 00:38:08,052 --> 00:38:09,920  She was 17 at the time.         572 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:12,990   Can you tell me about             the photo that she provided   573 00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:17,061  to a newspaper in 2011?         574 00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:21,365   Virginia Giuffre had produced  a now infamous photograph        575 00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,567    of her, then-Prince Andrew    576 00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:25,736  and Ghislaine Maxwell.          577 00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:29,140  Andrew claimed                     that it was a fake            578 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,842  and denied criminal wrongdoing. 579 00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:34,945  BRYANT: Thing about Virginia is 580 00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:37,615  she'd been with Epstein           for a couple of years          581 00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:39,984 and he had taken her everyplace. 582 00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:43,621  So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network                583 00:38:43,721 --> 00:38:47,158   and she was launching            civil suits,                   584 00:38:47,258 --> 00:38:51,662   and she named Jeffrey            Epstein and Ghislaine           Maxwell as perpetrators         585 00:38:51,762 --> 00:38:53,164    who trafficked her            586 00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:55,199  to his rich and                 powerful cronies.                587 00:38:57,268 --> 00:39:02,073    But she wasn't being taken     seriously by the media.         588 00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:08,612   Jeffrey Epstein very             aggressively bullied              media organisations           589 00:39:08,713 --> 00:39:11,082    that tried to look            under that rock.                 590 00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:21,158  Things remained kind of dormant  for a number of years,            until another story came out      of the Miami Herald           591 00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:24,095   and a reporter that went back   and looked at some of the deals 592 00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:26,163 that were struck                   with Jeffrey Epstein.          593 00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:31,736    Julie Brown, her reporting       really opened up the case.    594 00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:33,404    One second.                   595 00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:36,140 Oh, you're calling Julie?        596 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,908   Good morning.                  597 00:39:38,008 --> 00:39:40,444    Good morning. How are you?     I'm wonderful.                  598 00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:45,116  I have a very pleasant             Australian reporter           here in my office                599 00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:48,919    uh, that would like           to chat with you                 600 00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:50,788    if you could give her time.   601 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:51,822 Hang on.                            OK.                           602 00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:53,657    Hi, Julie.                    603 00:39:53,758 --> 00:39:55,259   I've been contacted by a lot     of people...                   604 00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,028    Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard      to keep it straight but...    605 00:39:58,129 --> 00:39:59,230   Yeah.                          606 00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:02,032 Yeah, give me a call. But          this week is not a good week.  607 00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:06,003  So we can talk about it later.   OK. Yeah, sure.                 608 00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:22,453  Hey, Julie. I'm so glad            we could make this happen.    609 00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:24,255   Yes.                            (BOTH CHUCKLE)                  610 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,425   Persistence pays off, right?     Yep. It's OK.                  611 00:40:27,525 --> 00:40:30,261   Especially since you           were willing to come all         the way to Philadelphia.         612 00:40:30,361 --> 00:40:32,329  I thought, "Oh, my God.         This girl's never gonna give up. 613 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,265 "I might as well                  just get it over with."         614 00:40:36,233 --> 00:40:39,603  Tell me how you came to           investigate Jeffrey Epstein.   615 00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:43,874  Well, I started                  investigating it right            before the election in 2016.   616 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:48,913    Most journalists in            America knew, you know,         617 00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:51,382  something about                 the Jeffrey Epstein case,        618 00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:54,051   especially Epstein's           sweetheart deal.                 619 00:40:54,151 --> 00:40:55,953  Very lenient plea deal.         620 00:40:56,053 --> 00:40:58,155  And there was a lot of stories   about,                          621 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:04,962    "How did he get this deal?      This doesn't make any sense."    But nothing that I could find  really showed me                 622 00:41:05,062 --> 00:41:07,164 how he got away with this crime. 623 00:41:07,264 --> 00:41:10,000   And so I just started           requesting the records,         624 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,903    not knowing                    where it was going to lead me.  625 00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:16,507   Somehow, I got a list            of almost a hundred victims.   626 00:41:18,008 --> 00:41:22,880  In the end, I had like           four victims that were           willing to go and talk.         627 00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,949 And in the middle                 when I was doing that,          628 00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:30,321 Trump nominated Alexander Acosta  to be Labor secretary.          629 00:41:30,421 --> 00:41:33,958  I want to thank President Trump   for the privilege of serving.  630 00:41:34,058 --> 00:41:37,061 Acosta was the US                Attorney in Miami                631 00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:39,964  that signed off                   on Epstein's sweetheart deal.  632 00:41:40,064 --> 00:41:42,433   I, Alexander Acosta,             do solemnly swear...           633 00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:47,271 So then I pitched a story         that we would go to the victims 634 00:41:47,371 --> 00:41:51,108  and ask them, you know,           what they think about the man  635 00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:53,344  that let their predator           off the hook,                  636 00:41:53,444 --> 00:41:55,212  who is now, by                     the way, in charge            637 00:41:55,312 --> 00:41:58,849 of one of the largest government  agencies in the country         638 00:41:58,949 --> 00:42:01,352  with oversight                    of human trafficking.          639 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,889   It was a high pressure story   640 00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:07,324    because it involved              a lot of important people.    641 00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:11,695   It was going to be put online     very early in the morning,    642 00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:15,366  so we sort of braced ourselves,  I guess you could say.          643 00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:18,536   And at the time that morning,   there was a funny story         644 00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:20,104    that was at the top              of our leaderboard.           645 00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:22,139 My story was at the very bottom. 646 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,409 And so I packed everything up. I thought, "That's it for the day. 647 00:42:25,509 --> 00:42:28,512   "You know, I'm going to take     the day off."                  648 00:42:28,612 --> 00:42:31,215    And I was getting all ready   and another reporter said to me, 649 00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:32,850   "Julie, look at this story."   650 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:35,452 And it was going                 boom, boom, boom.                651 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,161  at the disturbing case           wiof Jeffrey Epstein.ok            Joining me this morning is    Julie Brown of the Miami Herald. 652 00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:48,999   Investigative reporter behind     the Miami Herald expose...      Julie Brown, let me ask you,     set the scene for us.          653 00:42:51,335 --> 00:42:54,705    KUVIN: This story uncovered      this underbelly of society,   654 00:42:54,805 --> 00:42:56,273 of the rich and powerful         655 00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,977    and what they were doing to    people who were less powerful.  656 00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:02,246   KLASFELD: The                     Miami Herald series           657 00:43:02,346 --> 00:43:05,282  drops in November 2018.         658 00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:13,891   It had such an impact that by     July of the following year,   659 00:43:13,991 --> 00:43:18,262  Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and   charged with sex trafficking.  660 00:43:20,331 --> 00:43:22,600   REPORTER: Billionaire Jeffrey  Epstein has been arrested        661 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,736    for alleged sex trafficking    of young girls,                 662 00:43:25,836 --> 00:43:28,872  and agents have been coming in  and out of his Manhattan mansion 663 00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:30,274   all morning.                   664 00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:31,976  MAN: Epstein is charged            in a two-count indictment.    665 00:43:32,076 --> 00:43:35,012    First - conspiracy            to commit sex trafficking        666 00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:37,715    and second, sex trafficking      of underage girls,            667 00:43:37,815 --> 00:43:41,485    beginning in at least 2002    and continuing until 2005        668 00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:49,793    at his mansion in New York       and in Palm Beach, Florida.    I'm not going into any dealings    with main justice,            669 00:43:49,893 --> 00:43:51,328 I will say that we were assisted 670 00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:53,831    from some excellent           investigative journalism.        671 00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:57,968 BROWN: I just got a call            from the news desk saying,    672 00:43:58,068 --> 00:43:59,903  "We just got something            over the wire                  673 00:44:00,004 --> 00:44:02,072 "that said that Epstein's         been arrested."                 674 00:44:02,172 --> 00:44:04,174 I was like, oh, you know,           it was incredible.            675 00:44:04,274 --> 00:44:06,276  I was just... I                   couldn't believe it.           676 00:44:08,445 --> 00:44:10,547    Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.   677 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,717 Thanks so much for taking          the time to talk to me today.  678 00:44:13,817 --> 00:44:14,852   Sure.                          679 00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:16,453  When your brother was arrested, 680 00:44:16,553 --> 00:44:19,590 can you tell me what that         was like, that moment?          681 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:24,928 Jeffrey gets arrested, you know,    we spoke the night before.    682 00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:26,463 He called me from Paris.         683 00:44:26,563 --> 00:44:29,166 Just a normal, you know, "What's    new? How you doing?" call.    684 00:44:29,266 --> 00:44:32,369    And then he flies home the     next day and he gets arrested.  685 00:44:33,971 --> 00:44:39,076  BROWN: I wanted                 to be at his first court         appearance the next day.         686 00:44:40,477 --> 00:44:43,280 He looked like such a small man. 687 00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:47,518  You know, small, frail,          you know, human being.          688 00:44:47,618 --> 00:44:51,588  Um, just looked                   lost, quite frankly.           689 00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:54,324   I don't think he ever thought   he was going to be rearrested.  690 00:44:54,425 --> 00:44:56,427 REPORTER: Now, yesterday,         we were there in court.         691 00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:58,696 His attorneys are arguing           that Epstein struck a deal    692 00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:02,166 with federal prosecutors          in Florida over similar crimes, 693 00:45:02,266 --> 00:45:04,668   granting him immunity           after he pleaded guilty         694 00:45:04,768 --> 00:45:06,637    to a lesser charge.           695 00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:10,240    The US attorney who struck     that deal is Alexander Acosta.  696 00:45:11,675 --> 00:45:14,845   BROWN: At that point,            the media started in           Washington asking Trump,         697 00:45:14,945 --> 00:45:18,615  "What's going to happen          with Alexander Acosta?"         698 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:19,950  Good afternoon.                 699 00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:24,254    And I remember that Acosta      did have a press conference.   700 00:45:24,354 --> 00:45:28,592  We believe that                    we proceeded appropriately.   701 00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:35,165    There was value to            getting a guilty plea and         having him registered.          702 00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,134  Thank you very much. Thank you. 703 00:45:39,136 --> 00:45:42,005    BROWN: And I just remember    listening to him,                704 00:45:42,106 --> 00:45:45,075 thinking, "These                 are all excuses.                 705 00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:46,810    "They don't work anymore."    706 00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:49,947   And apparently it didn't work  707 00:45:50,047 --> 00:45:54,284 because he then,                  um, you know, resigned.         708 00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:56,653   And so I called the President    this morning.                  709 00:45:56,754 --> 00:46:00,724   I told him that I thought the   right thing was to step aside.  710 00:46:00,824 --> 00:46:01,759    (REPORTERS CLAMOUR)           711 00:46:01,825 --> 00:46:03,427 FREEMAN: Finally, it seemed like  the government                  712 00:46:03,527 --> 00:46:05,496    was actually taking            this seriously                  713 00:46:10,667 --> 00:46:14,271    by charging Epstein             with ssex trafficking.          And after that,                 other victims started to         realise, "I'm not alone."        714 00:46:17,541 --> 00:46:20,978  RUBRIGHT: When he was arrested,  a lot of us were happy          715 00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:25,382  that there was a second            chance for possibly             some actual justice,           716 00:46:25,482 --> 00:46:28,519   because what happened in 2008   wasn't justice                  717 00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:30,654  or him being held accountable.  718 00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:33,423    And at that point,            719 00:46:33,524 --> 00:46:37,594 I reached out to the FBI           and I was like, uh...          720 00:46:38,729 --> 00:46:40,631   .."Here's another one          of us," you know?                721 00:46:40,731 --> 00:46:45,469  Um, "And I-I want to be           a part of bringing him down."  722 00:47:00,651 --> 00:47:02,786 KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein         was staying at                  723 00:47:02,886 --> 00:47:04,788    the rather notorious prison   724 00:47:04,888 --> 00:47:08,625 where people await trial            on serious offences           725 00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,794 in the Southern District           of New York.                   726 00:47:12,796 --> 00:47:15,599   MAN: The Metropolitan          Correctional Centre in Manhattan 727 00:47:15,699 --> 00:47:18,235   is an environment completely      foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.   728 00:47:20,938 --> 00:47:22,706    The conditions were filthy.   729 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:28,145   Rodents, cockroaches              all over the place.           I agreed to represent him        730 00:47:28,245 --> 00:47:30,247    and I met with him.           731 00:47:31,415 --> 00:47:33,517   But just before that,           there was this incident         732 00:47:33,617 --> 00:47:35,185  in which there was a suggestion 733 00:47:35,285 --> 00:47:36,720 that he tried to commit suicide. 734 00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:40,257  REPORTER: The multi-millionaire    and convicted sex offender    735 00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:44,728 is now on suicide                watch after he was found         injured in his jail cell.        736 00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:48,165    SCHOEN: I met with Jeffrey      Epstein on August 1st          737 00:47:48,265 --> 00:47:49,933   for about five or six hours.   738 00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:53,470   He denied that he had          tried to commit suicide.         739 00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:56,907  The story that he told           about what had happened         740 00:47:57,007 --> 00:47:58,442   was that the cellmate he had   741 00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:00,277    forced him                     to put a rope around his neck,  742 00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:02,446   something, and pulled it, um,  743 00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,414 just to see the reaction            Epstein would have.           744 00:48:06,283 --> 00:48:08,518  But he told the                   correctional officers          745 00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:10,020 that he couldn't remember        what had happened                746 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,623   because he was afraid           if he got that guy in trouble,  747 00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:14,725    that he would have            trouble himself.                 748 00:48:16,193 --> 00:48:19,429  TOBIN: How was Jeffrey             Epstein's mood that            day when you look back?         749 00:48:19,529 --> 00:48:22,766    Good. I mean, he, again, he    didn't like being in the jail.  750 00:48:22,866 --> 00:48:25,802  Um, but he was adamant          about wanting to fight the case, 751 00:48:25,902 --> 00:48:27,437   and he was energised            by our meeting.                 752 00:48:27,537 --> 00:48:29,606    I think he thought             he had a strong legal argument, 753 00:48:29,706 --> 00:48:31,975   for example, on the agreement  that he had made                 754 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:34,978  that he felt would have          barred his prosecution.         755 00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:38,148   But nine days later,           756 00:48:38,248 --> 00:48:40,450    the last thing I would have    imagined at the time happened.  757 00:48:44,021 --> 00:48:45,389 NEWSREADER: NBC News has learned 758 00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:49,092 that disgraced financier         Jeffrey Epstein is dead.         759 00:48:49,192 --> 00:48:51,094   NEWSREADER 2: Sources          telling ABC News                 760 00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:57,701 that accused sex                    trafficker Jeffrey Epstein      has died by suicide.             MAN: It appeared that             he had hung himself           761 00:48:57,801 --> 00:49:01,805   We're trying to figure out if   he was still on suicide watch.  762 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,541   KLASFELD: It was astonishing.  763 00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:10,180   This is someone who is being    prosecuted for historic crimes. 764 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,816    The world's                     attention is on this.          765 00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:16,420  How is this man                 allowed to turn up dead?         766 00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,502  MAthat Jeffrey was found deadxt from an apparent suicide.he news  And at first, I had...            I had no reason to doubt it,   767 00:49:32,602 --> 00:49:34,438    because, you know,             he was in jail                  768 00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:37,040    and was facing a long time      in jail, potentially.          769 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,776  And I knew he wouldn't want to   live that way in jail.          770 00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:41,545  So, I had no reason to doubt it 771 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,647    and I accepted that             he committed suicide.          772 00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:46,516   Anyway, the next day,           I had to come back to New York  773 00:49:46,616 --> 00:49:48,151   to identify his body.          774 00:49:48,251 --> 00:49:49,786    As a family member,            I had the right                 775 00:49:49,886 --> 00:49:52,022    to have my own pathologist     at the autopsy.                 776 00:49:52,122 --> 00:49:54,524   You know, just to see             everything was done right.    777 00:49:55,926 --> 00:49:58,829  I spoke to his brother,            I insisted that the            person I consider to be         778 00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:00,731   the top forensic pathologist     in the world                   779 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,567  participate in                   an independent autopsy.         780 00:50:04,768 --> 00:50:06,570  So, his name is Michael Baden.  781 00:50:08,038 --> 00:50:12,743  I was medical examiner           for the New York State             Police for 25 years           782 00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:17,748 and did more than                20,000 autopsies.                783 00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:30,694 that was going to be done          the next day.end the autopsy      The history was that he was    found having committed suicide  784 00:50:30,794 --> 00:50:33,563   by hanging in his jail cell.   785 00:50:35,298 --> 00:50:37,000  When looking at                    the body, there was           786 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:41,104   a little odd situation there      because the ligature furrow   787 00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:44,174  around the neck was horizontal. 788 00:50:45,308 --> 00:50:46,576  In a suicidal hanging,          789 00:50:46,676 --> 00:50:49,513   the ligature mark is usually   790 00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:52,382   up the high part of the neck   and goes upwards.                791 00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:56,453 And then the moment of surprise, 792 00:50:56,553 --> 00:50:58,789   there were three fractures -   793 00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:01,091   two of the thyroid cartilage,  794 00:51:01,191 --> 00:51:03,293    which is the Adam's apple,    795 00:51:03,393 --> 00:51:07,464    and one of the hyoid bone.    796 00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:11,168    In 50 years of doing this,      I've never seen that.          797 00:51:11,268 --> 00:51:12,869 That's much more common,         798 00:51:12,969 --> 00:51:17,674    a crushing injury,              in a homicidal strangulation.  799 00:51:17,774 --> 00:51:19,443    So, I think, at that point,   800 00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:24,481  there was concern as to          whether it was suicide             as thought or not.            801 00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:29,619  SCHOEN: So, the medical           examiner of New York            City, who conducted it,         802 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,222 she said that it                    was inconclusive -            803 00:51:32,322 --> 00:51:33,690 she couldn't say it was suicide. 804 00:51:37,794 --> 00:51:40,397 BADEN: But then her boss,        three or four days later,        805 00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:42,899  changed it to suicide.          806 00:51:46,336 --> 00:51:49,673  MARK EPSTEIN: And then,           OK, now all kinds of           questions start coming up        807 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:51,108 and wheels start turning.        808 00:51:52,209 --> 00:51:53,643   (HORN BLARES)                  809 00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:57,514 Barbara Sampson,                   the chief medical examiner -   810 00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:59,483 and she was not at the autopsy - 811 00:51:59,583 --> 00:52:03,420    and so she comes up            with the conclusion of           suicide based on what?          812 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,189   NEWSREADER: Tonight, Jeffrey    Epstein's attorneys questioning 813 00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:09,326 whether his death was a suicide,   saying they will even          814 00:52:09,426 --> 00:52:10,727  pursue, quote:                  815 00:52:18,668 --> 00:52:20,804    And it turned out somehow,       magically,                    816 00:52:20,904 --> 00:52:23,006 the cameras malfunctioned        that day                         817 00:52:23,106 --> 00:52:26,009  or was in a place where         the camera didn't reach.         818 00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:29,713  So, this is now a correctional   officer taking an inmate down.  819 00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:33,383  This is supposed to be            Jeffrey Epstein now.           820 00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:37,687 You're talking about August 9th,  at almost 8:00 in the evening.  821 00:52:37,787 --> 00:52:39,322 August 10th is when he was dead. 822 00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:41,925   Do you think it's suspicious   823 00:52:42,025 --> 00:52:44,794  that there's only this             one camera angle available?   824 00:52:44,895 --> 00:52:46,963    That that's the only image?   825 00:52:47,063 --> 00:52:50,100  If that's accurate, yes, I do,  I think it's suspicious.         826 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,671    And, um, you might            say coincidental that the           cameras are malfunctioning,   827 00:52:54,771 --> 00:52:57,307    you know, around that time,   but pretty unbelievable.         828 00:53:00,277 --> 00:53:03,213   There were so many anomalies      that night.                   His cellmate had been taken out, 829 00:53:03,313 --> 00:53:05,448 the guards were sleeping,        830 00:53:05,549 --> 00:53:08,118  the cameras were down.          831 00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:12,022  All of these mysterious           things fuelled a lot            of conspiracy theories.         832 00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:14,057    There's just no way             you can hang yourself          833 00:53:14,157 --> 00:53:15,926 off of a bunk bed                 at that height.                 834 00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:18,261   I think we have found          Jeffrey Epstein's killer.        835 00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,530 And it's the most secure federal   lockup in the United States,   836 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:21,598    and he got murdered in it.    837 00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:23,166   Who has the power to do that?  838 00:53:27,404 --> 00:53:31,107   I've been studying conspiracy   theories for 15 years.          839 00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:35,045  When I polled Americans           asking them what they          thought about his death,         840 00:53:35,145 --> 00:53:37,247 half the country                   thought it was a conspiracy,   841 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,023    who were trying to cover up     ttheir involvement with him.      And you don't normally get,   842 00:53:47,123 --> 00:53:50,560  uh, conspiracy theories getting    half the country to buy in.   843 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,262   Yeah, I don't believe           any conspiracy theory,          844 00:53:52,362 --> 00:53:54,497 but the fact that                  he wanted to fight this case,  845 00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,033 uh, until the day                 before he died,                 846 00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:59,703 um, says to me that it's          unlikely he committed suicide.  847 00:54:02,305 --> 00:54:04,574  MARK EPSTEIN: I believe         he was murdered.                 848 00:54:04,674 --> 00:54:07,277   And if they do a real           investigation and they          talk to the right people,        849 00:54:07,377 --> 00:54:10,013   they could figure out          what actually took place.        850 00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:15,919    Do you believe that              Epstein committed suicide?    851 00:54:16,019 --> 00:54:18,588 No. No, I just don't believe it. 852 00:54:18,688 --> 00:54:20,824 Um...no.                         853 00:54:21,691 --> 00:54:25,061  He had only been there            for a month.                   854 00:54:26,296 --> 00:54:29,065   I just think it was too soon    for him to throw in the towel.  855 00:54:31,901 --> 00:54:33,937    PHILLIPS: From the Jeffrey      Epstein that I knew,           856 00:54:34,037 --> 00:54:36,973    no, I don't think he killed    himself, I just don't.          857 00:54:37,073 --> 00:54:39,709  And I believe he always thought  he was going to get out of it.  858 00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:43,747    MAN: He knew that he wasn't     going to get the slap           on the wrist this time.         859 00:54:43,847 --> 00:54:47,083    Uh, very damaging documents     in the case came out,          860 00:54:47,183 --> 00:54:50,186 two days before,                   he changed his will.           861 00:54:50,286 --> 00:54:53,757   A lot of people think             he might have been killed,    862 00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:56,293  others think he killed himself. 863 00:54:56,393 --> 00:54:59,129  LEVINE: I really think            he decided to take his life.   864 00:54:59,229 --> 00:55:02,699 That was the last bit of control   that he had.                   865 00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:06,903  BALTZ: When I heard about that, 866 00:55:07,003 --> 00:55:11,207    I just...I was heartbroken    for these girls.                 867 00:55:13,209 --> 00:55:15,045    NEWSREADER: A federal judge   has officially dismissed         868 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,314 the criminal case                against Jeffrey Epstein.         869 00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:21,184  BALTZ: They have never           gotten justice,                 870 00:55:21,284 --> 00:55:24,321  and, you know,                  they didn't deserve this.        871 00:55:27,791 --> 00:55:31,828   PHILLIPS: I was going           through my own feelings           in 2019 when he died.          872 00:55:31,928 --> 00:55:33,997  Uh, he was kind                    of a mentor to me,            873 00:55:34,097 --> 00:55:35,865    but he was also my abuser.    874 00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:43,173  Uand I wanted to know answers    about my life.ing time for me,    So I reached out at that time     to other survivors            875 00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:45,342   and called Virginia.           876 00:55:46,276 --> 00:55:48,178  I had my first                   conversation with her.          877 00:55:49,713 --> 00:55:52,315  There's just something             that she had in her           878 00:55:52,415 --> 00:55:54,784    that I looked up to           879 00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:59,222   and I really thought            was very brave.                 880 00:56:03,193 --> 00:56:06,096    BALTZ: We are here             in Loxahatchee Groves,          881 00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:09,099   which is a rural part            of Palm Beach County,          882 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:13,336 in which Virginia                Roberts Giuffre grew up.         883 00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:16,973  Not terribly affluent.          884 00:56:19,142 --> 00:56:21,177 GIUFFRE: I was recruited            at a very young age           885 00:56:21,277 --> 00:56:26,049  from Mar-a-Lago                 and entrapped in a world         that I didn't understand,        886 00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:28,251  and I've been fighting            that very world to this day.   887 00:56:28,351 --> 00:56:31,121    And I won't stop fighting.    I will never be silenced.        888 00:56:32,655 --> 00:56:38,161    BALTZ: And here we               have Mar-a-Lago, President       Trump's, uh, private club.    889 00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:43,366   Virginia Giuffre was            a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago,  890 00:56:43,466 --> 00:56:47,570   and Ghislaine Maxwell           used to go there for massages.  891 00:56:49,606 --> 00:56:53,843  Ghislaine Maxwell asked           her if she wanted to            learn to be a masseuse          892 00:56:53,943 --> 00:56:56,179  and to come to Epstein's house, 893 00:56:56,279 --> 00:56:59,516    and that was where              she suffered the first abuse.  894 00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:02,852    LAWYER: Do you know           Virginia Roberts?                895 00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,622   So, she's... Say again, who?   896 00:57:05,722 --> 00:57:06,990 Virginia Roberts.                897 00:57:08,458 --> 00:57:09,325 Can you spell it?                898 00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:13,196 Common spelling.                 Can you spell it for me, please? 899 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:17,534  R-O-B-E-R-T-S.                  900 00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:21,137 And, just for the record,         I can only spell it the          way that it was spelled         901 00:57:21,237 --> 00:57:23,873    in your flight logs              from your airplane.           902 00:57:26,843 --> 00:57:29,712 Virginia Roberts Giuffre         was instrumental                 903 00:57:29,813 --> 00:57:31,281   in this story coming forward.  904 00:57:31,381 --> 00:57:34,217    She is the reason,             to a very large extent,         905 00:57:34,317 --> 00:57:36,820   that Jeffrey Epstein             and Ghislaine Maxwell          906 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,354   were even prosecuted,          907 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:41,958   because of the trail,            of the public record           908 00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:44,427 that she left in                    her civil lawsuits.           909 00:57:46,763 --> 00:57:51,167  BROWN: Virginia Giuffre            was not only key in           exposing Jeffrey Epstein,        910 00:57:51,267 --> 00:57:54,838 you know, she named names        of other people,                 911 00:57:54,938 --> 00:57:56,439  such as Prince Andrew.          912 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,176 NEWSREADER: Abuse                  allegations that have          been plaguing the Prince         913 00:58:00,276 --> 00:58:04,113  for years now laid bare         on prime-time TV.                914 00:58:04,214 --> 00:58:06,983 Virginia Roberts Giuffre           alleges Prince Andrew          915 00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:11,087 first sexually abused her          at Ms Maxwell's London home.   916 00:58:11,187 --> 00:58:12,889    GIUFFRE: Ghislaine woke me       up in the morning and said,   917 00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:14,390    "You're gonna meet            a prince today."                 918 00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:17,293    I didn't know at that point   919 00:58:17,393 --> 00:58:20,997  that I was going to be             trafficked to that prince.    920 00:58:21,097 --> 00:58:24,234    And Ghislaine said,            "He's coming back to the house, 921 00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:28,104   "and I want you to do for him  what you do for Epstein."        922 00:58:28,204 --> 00:58:30,840  EMILY MAITLIS: One of Epstein's   accusers, Virginia Roberts...  923 00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:33,343 Yeah. ..has made                 allegations against you.         924 00:58:40,216 --> 00:58:42,619    It's been six years now...      Yeah.                          925 00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,589   ..since that famous, infamous    interview with Prince Andrew.  926 00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,826    Did you ever think             that you would still be           talking about it now?          927 00:58:49,926 --> 00:58:53,630   In a way, I wish the              whole conversation              had started earlier.           928 00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:59,068 You know, we knew when we did it   that it had to be a document,  929 00:58:59,168 --> 00:59:01,571 a public record,                    in case it was ever useful.   930 00:59:04,107 --> 00:59:06,509    He was in the room             when I arrived.                 931 00:59:06,609 --> 00:59:09,279  He looked ready for it.         932 00:59:16,019 --> 00:59:22,058   to kind of get it off             his chest, frankly.ng time      There is no good time          to talk about Mr Epstein.        933 00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:26,863    My sense is that he thought      he was his own best weapon    934 00:59:26,963 --> 00:59:29,299    in terms of killing            the story dead.                 935 00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:32,969   She says she met you in 2001,  936 00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:35,638    and she went on to            have sex with you                937 00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:39,809  in a house in Belgravia          belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell. 938 00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:41,477  Didn't happen.                  939 00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:43,646   Do you remember her?           940 00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:45,048    No.                           941 00:59:45,148 --> 00:59:47,784    He tried to tell me           that it was a fake photo.        942 00:59:47,884 --> 00:59:53,156  We can't be certain as          to whether or not that's           my hand on-on-on her,          943 00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:56,292    uh, whatever it is,           left...left side.                944 00:59:56,392 --> 00:59:59,963  He'd worked out his, um, alibi. 945 01:00:00,063 --> 01:00:06,135   I'd taken Beatrice to          a PizzaExpress in Woking.        946 01:00:06,235 --> 01:00:08,638   His team had thought           it had gone pretty well.         947 01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:17,981 afNEWSREADER 2: One UKsedrince   paper calling the Princeh          entitled and obtuse.           948 01:00:18,081 --> 01:00:20,283  NEWSREADER 3: Four days         after Newsnight broadcast        949 01:00:20,383 --> 01:00:23,653    its interview with               Prince Andrew, he's            made this announcement.         950 01:00:23,753 --> 01:00:26,623 "I have asked Her Majesty         if I may step back from         951 01:00:26,723 --> 01:00:28,992  "public duties                     for the foreseeable future,   952 01:00:29,092 --> 01:00:31,194    "and she has given            her permission."                 953 01:00:31,294 --> 01:00:35,031   BRYANT: The interview            that he gave the BBC,          954 01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:38,434   that was beyond disingenuous.  955 01:00:39,736 --> 01:00:42,305    He started his slow decline   956 01:00:42,405 --> 01:00:46,242    to ultimately being              stripped of his princehood.   957 01:00:46,342 --> 01:00:49,679 And I think that that was        the beginning of the end.        958 01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:53,616  It's...it's an eye for an eye,     a scar for a scar.            959 01:00:57,053 --> 01:00:58,855    No matter how much              I go through therapy,          960 01:00:58,955 --> 01:01:02,425  I'm embedded with scars          that will never leave me, ever. 961 01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:11,100    KLASFELD: Virginia Giuffre    was also instrumental to         962 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,737 the downfall of the other        person in that photograph          - Ghislaine Maxwell.           963 01:01:16,773 --> 01:01:21,044  In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was   sentenced to 20 years in prison 964 01:01:21,144 --> 01:01:23,112    for sex trafficking           and other crimes.                965 01:01:26,616 --> 01:01:29,686   But there was                  a growing public outrage         966 01:01:29,786 --> 01:01:34,390   that she was the only             person to face consequences    in the Epstein scandal.         967 01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:36,826    People were asking,             "What about the men?"          968 01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:40,596    No-one had brought charges,   969 01:01:40,697 --> 01:01:45,334  and this was across Republican   and Democratic administrations. 970 01:01:48,905 --> 01:01:53,176  TOBIN: When and how did          concerns about Epstein's crimes 971 01:01:53,276 --> 01:01:57,113 start spilling over into            the territory of the public   972 01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,215 really wanting to see the files? 973 01:01:59,315 --> 01:02:03,319  Donald Trump really was the one    who prompted that.            974 01:02:06,656 --> 01:02:10,159    Then he got to be embroiled    in it himself.                  975 01:02:13,262 --> 01:02:14,897   REPORTER: Donald Trump's name  is all over these files.         976 01:02:14,997 --> 01:02:17,266   REPORTER 2: Flight logs show     Trump travelled on Epstein's   977 01:02:17,366 --> 01:02:20,870    private jet many more times     than prosecutors were aware.   978 01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:27,276 LAWYER: Have you ever had         a personal relationship            with Donald Trump?            979 01:02:28,578 --> 01:02:30,713    What do you mean by             "personal relationship", sir?  980 01:02:30,813 --> 01:02:33,950   Have you socialised with him?  Yes, sir.                        981 01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,718   Yes?                           Yes, sir.                        982 01:02:35,818 --> 01:02:38,621 Have you ever socialised         with Donald Trump                983 01:02:38,721 --> 01:02:43,760    in the presence of females      under the age of 18?           984 01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:50,900 Though I'd like to answer         that question, at least today,  985 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,268  I'm going to have to assert my  986 01:02:52,368 --> 01:02:55,304    Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth    Amendment rights, sir.          987 01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:59,976    KLASFELD: It's indisputable    that Trump had                  988 01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:03,112  a long-term friendship            with Epstein.                  989 01:03:03,212 --> 01:03:04,714    He told the world about it.   990 01:03:04,814 --> 01:03:08,317    Do you still think Jeffrey       Epstein is a terrific guy?    991 01:03:08,417 --> 01:03:10,653 Well, I knew him, like everybody  in Palm Beach knew him.         992 01:03:10,753 --> 01:03:12,255  I mean, people                   in Palm Beach knew him.         993 01:03:12,355 --> 01:03:14,223  He was a fixture in Palm Beach. 994 01:03:14,323 --> 01:03:16,259    KLASFELD: There was            the infamous interview          995 01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:19,662  where he called                   Epstein a great guy,           996 01:03:19,762 --> 01:03:22,532  likes women "on                    the younger side".            997 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:27,036 Jeffrey Epstein's                   50th birthday book in 2003    998 01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:31,174 has a drawing of                   a nude female figure           999 01:03:31,274 --> 01:03:32,642 with Trump's name on it.         1000 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,478  He denies that                     it's his signature,           1001 01:03:35,578 --> 01:03:37,914 we have multiple                    handwriting experts           1002 01:03:38,014 --> 01:03:39,849    saying that it is.            1003 01:03:39,949 --> 01:03:41,717   I don't do drawings.           1004 01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:43,452 I'm not a drawing person.        1005 01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:46,355    KLASFELD: The fact            that he had such a long,         1006 01:03:46,455 --> 01:03:48,691 personal friendship with Epstein 1007 01:03:48,791 --> 01:03:50,693  raises questions about          1008 01:03:50,793 --> 01:03:53,629    what he knew about              Epstein's behaviour.           1009 01:03:53,729 --> 01:03:55,798   I had a falling out with him   a long time ago.                 1010 01:03:55,898 --> 01:03:59,468 I don't think I've spoken to him   for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.  1011 01:04:06,275 --> 01:04:11,581  actually started becoming a big  tproblem for President Trump?   I think it became a problem soon  after he assumed office again.  1012 01:04:11,681 --> 01:04:14,050 We are going to drain the swamp, 1013 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:15,985 and we're going to do it         once and for all.                1014 01:04:21,824 --> 01:04:24,227 would you supportlection,         hreleasing the files?nt-blank,    Would you declassify              the Epstein files?            1015 01:04:24,327 --> 01:04:26,362   Yeah. Yeah, I would.           1016 01:04:26,462 --> 01:04:30,233 USCINSKI: And many of the people    around him, they said yes.    1017 01:04:30,333 --> 01:04:32,235   Seriously, we need to release  the Epstein list.                1018 01:04:32,335 --> 01:04:33,736    That is an important thing.   1019 01:04:42,278 --> 01:04:44,213 Hobut no-one on Epstein's list    has even been brought to light.  So, this was a campaign promise 1020 01:04:44,313 --> 01:04:46,649    that they had made              to their supporters.           1021 01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:50,519 Ghislaine. Look into her father,  Robert Maxwell.                 1022 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,189 All the answers are right there.    Yeah. Because he was a spy.   1023 01:04:53,289 --> 01:04:55,558   Trump built a                   coalition of followers          1024 01:04:55,658 --> 01:04:58,461    who are very conspiratorial     in their world views           1025 01:04:58,561 --> 01:05:02,131 and were already                   Epstein conspiracy theorists.  1026 01:05:03,165 --> 01:05:05,368   You don't know that she's 16,     and she takes you in a room   1027 01:05:05,468 --> 01:05:07,870  and that room is filled          with cameras, that's...         1028 01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:09,739    Blackmail.                      Yeah.                          1029 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:14,410  So, there were fantasies about   massive sex-trafficking rings,  1030 01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:16,913   views about blackmail rings,   1031 01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:18,514 and that Epstein was controlling 1032 01:05:18,614 --> 01:05:20,650 all sorts of rich                  and powerful people.           1033 01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:22,885  I believe very strongly            he was a spy, yes.            1034 01:05:22,985 --> 01:05:24,654   And who do you think              he was working for?           1035 01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,389   The Israelis.                  1036 01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:30,526  USCINSKI: Trump cosied             up to QAnon, and it           created a lore around him        1037 01:05:30,626 --> 01:05:34,196 that he was bringing down          these evil, powerful people,   1038 01:05:34,297 --> 01:05:36,933 'cause the establishment           was entirely corrupt           1039 01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:39,235  and he was the outsider         who was going to come in         1040 01:05:39,335 --> 01:05:40,770   and drain the swamp.           1041 01:05:48,711 --> 01:05:50,813           So, early in             Trump's second term,           1042 01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:58,621   he appoints Pam Bondi            as Attorney-General,             and she runs with the Epstein  story almost immediately.        1043 01:06:01,223 --> 01:06:05,561 The DOJ may be releasingd Trump  hasthe list of Jeffrey              Epstein's clients?            1044 01:06:05,661 --> 01:06:08,464  KLASFELD: In February of 2025,  1045 01:06:08,564 --> 01:06:10,199  Bondi goes out and says         1046 01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:15,771  that she has the Epstein files  and the client list on her desk. 1047 01:06:21,544 --> 01:06:25,014  That's been a directive           rby PreThen there's a            180-degree reversal.           1048 01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:28,617    There's the release           of the July memo                 1049 01:06:28,718 --> 01:06:31,887   from the FBI                    and the Department of Justice.  1050 01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:34,724  And the July memo says           an extraordinary thing.         1051 01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:36,892 It says that there are more than 1052 01:06:36,993 --> 01:06:40,329  a thousand survivors of         Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,         1053 01:06:40,429 --> 01:06:42,965   and then says there's           nothing to investigate,         1054 01:06:43,065 --> 01:06:45,267    there's nothing to release,   1055 01:06:45,368 --> 01:06:46,669    turn the other way.           1056 01:06:47,837 --> 01:06:49,905 There was, quote,                 "No client list                 1057 01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:52,508 "or evidence that he blackmailed    prominent figures,"           1058 01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:55,044    according to a memo            detailing the findings.         1059 01:06:55,144 --> 01:06:58,714 The review also concluded          that Epstein died by suicide   1060 01:06:58,814 --> 01:07:00,983  while in custody at a Manhattan  correctional facility.          1061 01:07:01,083 --> 01:07:05,154  That memo just sent shock waves  throughout the American ether,  1062 01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:08,691   especially with the MAGA base    who was so invested.           1063 01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:11,127   All those videos are saying,     "Yeah, she's seen the videos,  1064 01:07:11,227 --> 01:07:12,528  "it's all coming out."          1065 01:07:12,628 --> 01:07:14,697  And then now it doesn't exist.    I mean, what? What?!           1066 01:07:14,797 --> 01:07:17,299    Joe, wanna check the tweet     that Elon just put out?         1067 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,201 "Time to drop the                really big bomb.                 1068 01:07:19,301 --> 01:07:21,504 "Donald Trump is                   in the Epstein files.          1069 01:07:21,604 --> 01:07:23,606  "That's the real reason         they have not been made public." 1070 01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,108 The Jeffrey Epstein case            has caused backlash           1071 01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:27,276  within President Trump's base,  1072 01:07:27,343 --> 01:07:30,446   fuelling conspiracy theories    that more details exist         1073 01:07:30,546 --> 01:07:32,448   but are being hidden           from the public.                 1074 01:07:33,616 --> 01:07:35,384    MAN: I'm not gonna            play with these anymore.         1075 01:07:35,484 --> 01:07:37,186    MAGA hats are off.            1076 01:07:44,293 --> 01:07:46,095 Burn, baby, burn.                1077 01:07:46,195 --> 01:07:49,465    And this is a great           representation of                  what's left of MAGA.           1078 01:07:50,966 --> 01:07:54,236   I think the President          always felt like he could         control his MAGA base,          1079 01:07:54,336 --> 01:07:55,738 but it's the influencers         1080 01:07:55,838 --> 01:07:58,374   who have also really             kept this story alive          1081 01:07:58,474 --> 01:08:00,543    and have been very            critical of him.                 1082 01:08:00,643 --> 01:08:02,711    We voted for Trump               because we wanted justice,    1083 01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,648   and justice involves             actually holding accountable   1084 01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:07,516 the people who committed         that wrongdoing.                 1085 01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:20,463 It just continued and continued, 1086 01:08:20,563 --> 01:08:23,599 and the President himself         kept calling it a hoax.         1087 01:08:23,699 --> 01:08:25,734   Well, I haven't been           overly interested in it.         1088 01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:27,236    You know, it's something...   1089 01:08:27,336 --> 01:08:29,972 It's a hoax that's been built up  way beyond proportion.          1090 01:08:30,072 --> 01:08:32,675    I know it's a hoax.              It's started by Democrats.    1091 01:08:32,775 --> 01:08:34,276  When you call something a hoax, 1092 01:08:34,376 --> 01:08:36,412 and yet people know that there's  a tremendous amount of evidence 1093 01:08:36,512 --> 01:08:37,746  out there that it's not a hoax, 1094 01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:40,616    it makes them only want to       know more about it.           1095 01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:42,518 NEWSREADER: The President        writing on social media:         1096 01:08:52,228 --> 01:08:53,896  TRUMP: Some stupid Republicans  1097 01:08:53,996 --> 01:08:56,365  and foolish Republicans            fall into the net.            1098 01:08:56,465 --> 01:08:58,033    I call it the Epstein hoax.   1099 01:09:01,904 --> 01:09:03,539    Hello? Hi.                     Come on in. Hi.                 1100 01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:04,840 Marjorie.                           Yes, hello.                   1101 01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:07,176   Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.           Nice to meet you.                1102 01:09:07,276 --> 01:09:10,846   Nice to meet you, too. Grab a   seat under this big ball light. 1103 01:09:10,946 --> 01:09:12,548    Yeah, that's quite a light.   I know, isn't it?                1104 01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:13,883    Oh, my gosh. Yeah.            1105 01:09:15,618 --> 01:09:19,054  Do you think that these           supporters are losing           heart and losing trust          1106 01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:22,458  in President Trump now            because of the Epstein files?  1107 01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:26,962        MIt was a line in.           the sand for them.            1108 01:09:27,062 --> 01:09:29,665 They couldn't understand         it the same way I                 couldn't understand it.         1109 01:09:29,765 --> 01:09:31,534    Why would he cover this up?   1110 01:09:31,634 --> 01:09:33,869    And that was, um...           1111 01:09:35,371 --> 01:09:39,175  That was something that         none of us ever expected           from President Trump.          1112 01:09:46,982 --> 01:09:50,619 I'm Rick Frazier,                  and I presently live              in St Marys, Ohio.            1113 01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,354  Mmm. It's good.                 1114 01:09:52,454 --> 01:09:54,056    TOBIN: Mm. Strong?              Good coffee.                   1115 01:10:00,529 --> 01:10:02,164   I'm a front-row Joe,            to one of his rallies.           six days ahead of time          1116 01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,033  TRUMP: It's very quick,         but it's brutal.                 1117 01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:06,936    I still worked hard to help     Trump, you know, get elected.  1118 01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,871  (CROWD CHEERS)                  1119 01:10:08,971 --> 01:10:12,808    But, to be honest with you,    it pisses me off that -         1120 01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:14,376   if I can use that language -   1121 01:10:14,476 --> 01:10:16,845 that on one hand,                1122 01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:20,115 we were promised                   by the President that            this is gonna happen.          1123 01:10:21,183 --> 01:10:22,651 Then, on the other hand,         1124 01:10:22,751 --> 01:10:25,754  he turns around                   and it didn't happen.          1125 01:10:25,854 --> 01:10:29,825   I can't see why he...            who he's protecting.           1126 01:10:29,925 --> 01:10:32,561  I honestly, in my mind,            don't think he's involved.    1127 01:10:32,661 --> 01:10:34,964   You can be in                    pictures with anyone,          1128 01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:38,100  but until we got transparency,   how do we know?                 1129 01:10:44,373 --> 01:10:46,842   NEWSREADER: There is              new pressure on the             Trump Administration           1130 01:10:46,942 --> 01:10:49,979   from Republicans looking into  the Jeffrey Epstein case.        1131 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:52,548    DAVID PAKMAN: Donald Trump       is aimed at one of his own,   1132 01:10:52,648 --> 01:10:55,417  Republican congressman           Thomas Massie.                  1133 01:10:55,517 --> 01:10:58,587 TRUMP: This moron Thomas Massie, 1134 01:10:58,687 --> 01:11:00,789 there's something                 wrong with him.                 1135 01:11:05,728 --> 01:11:09,131 When did you first start            becoming concerned            1136 01:11:09,231 --> 01:11:11,900  about what's now known            as the Epstein files?          1137 01:11:15,237 --> 01:11:17,640  So, it started                     a couple years ago for me,       and it really came            to the forefront                 1138 01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,809   when President Trump           and people in his Cabinet        1139 01:11:20,909 --> 01:11:23,646 promised that they were going to   release these files.           1140 01:11:23,746 --> 01:11:26,682 But none of them followed        through on their promise,        1141 01:11:26,782 --> 01:11:28,984  which became suspicious to me.  1142 01:11:30,185 --> 01:11:33,389   My Democrat colleague             Ro Khanna, from California,   1143 01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:35,724 cares about the victims,         1144 01:11:35,824 --> 01:11:38,861    and so I reached out to him   and said,                        1145 01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:43,098 "Ro, um, if I do                   a discharge petition,          1146 01:11:43,198 --> 01:11:48,804 "do you think you                 could get every single            Democrat to sign it?"          1147 01:11:48,904 --> 01:11:51,707    And he did deliver            on that promise.                 1148 01:11:59,281 --> 01:12:01,884  Nafor the release oftisan push    ithe Epstein files.as Massie   People feel that                 the rich and the powerful        1149 01:12:01,984 --> 01:12:04,186  have been not held accountable, 1150 01:12:04,286 --> 01:12:06,322  that they have                  a different set of rules,        1151 01:12:06,422 --> 01:12:08,824   and that there may be           government officials involved.  1152 01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:12,227 NEWSREADER: Thomas Massie         just filed a discharge petition 1153 01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:15,164    to force this vote             on releasing the files.         1154 01:12:15,264 --> 01:12:16,865   That's something that            Speaker Mike Johnson           1155 01:12:16,965 --> 01:12:18,934 has really been trying to avoid. 1156 01:12:19,034 --> 01:12:21,203 REPORTER: The White House         has warned Republicans          1157 01:12:21,303 --> 01:12:22,871 not to side with Massie.         1158 01:12:22,971 --> 01:12:25,474    Even a White House official     telling reporters last night   1159 01:12:25,574 --> 01:12:28,243 that this would be viewed         as an act of hostility.         1160 01:12:33,349 --> 01:12:37,486 Well, I have a 98% voting record    with the President,           1161 01:12:37,586 --> 01:12:40,356    was one of his most           loyal defenders.                 1162 01:12:40,456 --> 01:12:44,026  Marjorie Taylor Greene,           please come up. Come.          1163 01:12:44,126 --> 01:12:46,462 CROWD: (CHANTS) MTG! MTG!        1164 01:12:46,562 --> 01:12:47,996 Thank you, Mr President.         1165 01:12:48,097 --> 01:12:52,134 Alright, Georgia, we know         what we're going to do in 2024. 1166 01:12:52,234 --> 01:12:56,238    He was angry at me              for siding with Thomas Massie  1167 01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:58,273  and signing on                   the discharge petition.         1168 01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,909 To me, it was a matter of         right and wrong                 1169 01:13:01,009 --> 01:13:02,778 and standing up for these women. 1170 01:13:02,878 --> 01:13:05,781  The greatest president          in United States history,        1171 01:13:05,881 --> 01:13:08,250 Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia? 1172 01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:11,520   (CROWD ROARS)                  1173 01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:12,821 CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1174 01:13:12,921 --> 01:13:14,890 she's the female version         of Donald Trump.                 1175 01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:17,025 She was full-blood MAGA.         1176 01:13:17,126 --> 01:13:20,863   So, for her to be one of the    people to stand up against him  1177 01:13:20,963 --> 01:13:24,967    is very significant             in American politics.          1178 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,036 He was losing control of          the situation.                  1179 01:13:29,905 --> 01:13:32,975   TOBIN: When you sign           that discharge petition,         1180 01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:36,445 afterwards you took a phone call   with President Trump.          1181 01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:40,349   He said that it was going to   hurt people that he knew.        1182 01:13:40,449 --> 01:13:41,784   What people?                   1183 01:13:41,884 --> 01:13:44,887 I don't know. I still don't know that to this day.                1184 01:13:44,987 --> 01:13:48,190 But the way he treated me        and the names that he called me, 1185 01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:51,393    sent death threats upon me      and then my children.          1186 01:13:51,493 --> 01:13:54,229    (CROWD CHATTERS AND CHEERS)   1187 01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,269 TAYLOR GREENE: This is my         fifth year in Congress          1188 01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:02,604  and this is the largest         press conference                 1189 01:14:02,704 --> 01:14:05,073   that I've seen since            I've been here.                 1190 01:14:05,174 --> 01:14:07,409 KLASFELD: As people like          Marjorie Taylor Greene          1191 01:14:07,509 --> 01:14:11,346 started getting involved,          the snowball started rolling.  1192 01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:13,816  TAYLOR GREENE:                     This is not about politics,   1193 01:14:13,916 --> 01:14:17,352  this is a boiling point           in American history.           1194 01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,955   KLASFELD: We see some           very effective advocacy         1195 01:14:20,055 --> 01:14:22,357 on behalf of the                    victims themselves.           1196 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:25,160    Why did he get away           with it in 2008?                 1197 01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:28,096  Why was Jeffrey Epstein           so protected?                  1198 01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:30,265   Why was Maxwell the only one   held accountable                 1199 01:14:30,365 --> 01:14:32,000    when so many others            played a role?                  1200 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,002  Let the public know the truth.  1201 01:14:35,337 --> 01:14:38,273   WOMAN: I speak today not only   in service of my own recovery,  1202 01:14:38,373 --> 01:14:42,344 but to honour the lives,            the courage and sacrifices    1203 01:14:42,444 --> 01:14:44,847    of Virginia Giuffre           1204 01:14:44,947 --> 01:14:46,615  and others who                     could not continue.           1205 01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:52,354    NEWSREADER: Victims             of the convicted sex           offender Jeffrey Epstein         1206 01:14:52,454 --> 01:14:54,756 have paid tribute                   to Virginia Giuffre           1207 01:14:54,857 --> 01:14:57,192   at a rally in Washington, DC.  1208 01:14:57,292 --> 01:15:00,062   She took her own life             in April this year.           1209 01:15:01,463 --> 01:15:03,799    BALTZ: It made me very sad    when she passed.                 1210 01:15:04,967 --> 01:15:08,837   This sort of damage,             you can stuff it down            for years and years,           1211 01:15:08,937 --> 01:15:11,306  but the effects                   will always catch up.          1212 01:15:11,406 --> 01:15:14,376 Virginia said it                    best, and I quote,            1213 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:20,682 ""Not until the justice,          system makes an example            out of these people           1214 01:15:20,782 --> 01:15:22,551    "with so-called privileges.   1215 01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:24,786  "I just call it money."         1216 01:15:24,887 --> 01:15:26,088  People believe her now.         1217 01:15:27,089 --> 01:15:28,390    I mean, she won...            1218 01:15:29,558 --> 01:15:31,093  ..in a sad way.                 1219 01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:40,736 KHANNA: So we gather here           on the steps of the Capitol   1220 01:15:40,836 --> 01:15:43,138 to confront these                 corrupt forces.                 1221 01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:49,711   We know we have 212 Democrats    and we have four Republicans,  1222 01:15:49,811 --> 01:15:51,480  courageous Republicans.         1223 01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:55,317  The only supporters that I got     from my discharge petition    1224 01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:58,453 on the Republican side of        the aisle were all women.        1225 01:15:58,554 --> 01:15:59,955  Marjorie Taylor Greene,         1226 01:16:00,055 --> 01:16:01,757  Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.  1227 01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:07,296   They were woken up at           5am in the morning with           the President saying,          1228 01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,131 "F this, F that.                 1229 01:16:09,231 --> 01:16:11,600   "Get your effing name             off of this thing."           1230 01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:15,103  But, to their credit, all three   of those women stayed strong.  1231 01:16:16,538 --> 01:16:19,908    KLASFELD: There was a time    when few believed                1232 01:16:20,008 --> 01:16:24,580 that they would actually            be able to get the             passage of these files.         1233 01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:28,884   And it was only after            it became very clear           1234 01:16:28,984 --> 01:16:31,286   that Trump was going             to lose on this vote,          1235 01:16:31,386 --> 01:16:35,390   then finally                   he claimed to support it.        1236 01:16:36,558 --> 01:16:39,928  We've done a great job,          and I hate to see that,         1237 01:16:40,028 --> 01:16:43,398 uh, deflect from                 the great job we've done.        1238 01:16:43,498 --> 01:16:45,634    So I'm all for it.            1239 01:16:45,734 --> 01:16:49,538 What eventually happened           was a nearly unanimous vote.   1240 01:16:50,372 --> 01:16:55,110 The yeas are 427,                the nays are one.                1241 01:16:55,210 --> 01:16:56,878    The bill is passed,           1242 01:16:56,979 --> 01:17:01,083  and without objection,          the motion to reconsider           is laid on the table.          1243 01:17:02,551 --> 01:17:04,486   (CHEERING, APPLAUSE)           1244 01:17:05,887 --> 01:17:09,791 Mr Speaker, today                   is an extraordinary             day in this chamber.           1245 01:17:09,891 --> 01:17:13,195    This is about the powerless   1246 01:17:13,295 --> 01:17:18,900 taking power away                 from the very powerful.         1247 01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:21,603   When Trump backflipped on it,  1248 01:17:21,703 --> 01:17:23,605    the survivors won.            1249 01:17:23,705 --> 01:17:27,843  The Senate has passed the bill  under unanimous consent!         1250 01:17:27,943 --> 01:17:30,579    (ALL CHEER)                   1251 01:17:32,681 --> 01:17:34,383 REPORTER: The bill forces         the Justice Department          1252 01:17:34,483 --> 01:17:37,719  to release Epstein file         documents within 30 days.        1253 01:17:37,819 --> 01:17:40,389    (ALL CHEER)                   1254 01:17:57,773 --> 01:18:01,243  Once the Epstein Files            Transparency Act became law,   1255 01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:04,680  there was a deadline -           December 19th -                 1256 01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:06,581  for the release of everything.  1257 01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,384 REPORTER: Deputy                   Attorney-General Todd           Blanche says, however,          1258 01:18:09,484 --> 01:18:12,387  several hundred thousand pages   of records will be made public, 1259 01:18:12,487 --> 01:18:14,790 with more to come                  in the coming weeks.           1260 01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:15,891 Hundreds of thousands...         1261 01:18:15,991 --> 01:18:17,459   FRAZIER: I could sit at home   1262 01:18:17,559 --> 01:18:19,428    and just stay on the couch      and not be involved,           1263 01:18:19,528 --> 01:18:23,298    but being here is historic.   1264 01:18:24,332 --> 01:18:26,334    We got a few hours            till we find out.                1265 01:18:26,435 --> 01:18:28,937    REPORTER: But we're talking    about a tonnage of information  1266 01:18:29,037 --> 01:18:31,873  that may take some time         just to process.                 1267 01:18:31,973 --> 01:18:34,443      The Justice Department        has now begun                  1268 01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:37,379          the release of             the Epstein files.            1269 01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:45,087   The first release was a blip     on the radar, not even that.   1270 01:18:45,187 --> 01:18:47,456    There was a picture           of Bill Clinton.                 1271 01:18:47,556 --> 01:18:49,891   There was very little             about Donald Trump.           1272 01:18:49,991 --> 01:18:54,396  It was widely regarded           to have few major revelations.  1273 01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:59,267  NEWSREADER: At least 550 pages    were fully redacted.           1274 01:18:59,367 --> 01:19:01,269   NEWSREADER 2: We have          just a fraction right now        1275 01:19:01,369 --> 01:19:03,004   of what is believed to exist.  1276 01:19:04,206 --> 01:19:05,440    We haven't received             Pfull transparency,              failed, in our book.           1277 01:19:10,212 --> 01:19:12,881  and it's an incomplete            release of the files.            FRAZIER: That must be his...   his prison cell.                 1278 01:19:12,981 --> 01:19:17,319  I'm pretty disappointed         since we were told transparency, 1279 01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:19,387  and we're not really seeing it. 1280 01:19:32,734 --> 01:19:37,305 I dThey're flouting the spirit   tgoand the letter of the law.      KLASFELD: People kept           trying to push for the            release of the files,          1281 01:19:37,405 --> 01:19:39,641   and six weeks later,           all of a sudden,                 1282 01:19:39,741 --> 01:19:43,612   3.5 million documents           hit the public.                 1283 01:19:45,847 --> 01:19:47,949   NEWSREADER: 3 million             pages of documents,           1284 01:19:48,049 --> 01:19:51,486 180,000 images and 2,000 videos. 1285 01:19:51,586 --> 01:19:53,622    The latest release               of files related to           1286 01:19:53,722 --> 01:19:56,124  the paedophile                     Jeffrey Epstein is shocking   1287 01:19:56,224 --> 01:19:58,493   in its size and its content.   1288 01:19:58,593 --> 01:20:01,463   NEWSREADER 2: Of the 180,000   images released,                 1289 01:20:01,563 --> 01:20:03,632 these pictures of                   the King's brother            1290 01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,801 seem to be what everyone         is talking about.                1291 01:20:05,901 --> 01:20:09,871 NEWSREADER 3: Police are          assessing claims Andrew            Mountbatten-Windsor           1292 01:20:14,676 --> 01:20:18,513    shared confidential reports     with Jeffrey Epstein.             KLASFELD: All of a            sudden, there are global         investigations in Europe.        1293 01:20:19,681 --> 01:20:21,383    NEWSREADER: Active            investigations are now under way 1294 01:20:21,483 --> 01:20:23,485 in at least 10 countries.        1295 01:20:30,125 --> 01:20:32,260    NEWSREADER: In Europe, the     former prime minister of Norway   in a search of any potential    invictims from that country.    1296 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,763 has been charged                  with gross corruption.          1297 01:20:40,402 --> 01:20:42,370 would investigateoland's prime    pothe convand Russianffenderry   intelligence services.          1298 01:20:43,338 --> 01:20:46,274   KLASFELD: The                   people who maintained a         friendship with Epstein,         1299 01:20:46,374 --> 01:20:48,310    communications that           they thought were private        1300 01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:52,347 are now filling the pages         of newspapers internationally.  1301 01:20:53,982 --> 01:20:56,518   JESSE WEBER: My gosh,           was this embarrassing?          1302 01:20:56,618 --> 01:20:58,386  Can we start with Peter Attia?  1303 01:21:08,196 --> 01:21:10,799  CHRIS KENNY: Good Lord,           another very prominent person  1304 01:21:10,899 --> 01:21:13,235   caught up in all this          is Bill Gates, of course.        1305 01:21:13,335 --> 01:21:14,970 Claims that he picked up         1306 01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:18,240  a sexually transmitted disease    from a Russian woman.          1307 01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:20,475    He's denied that publicly.    1308 01:21:20,575 --> 01:21:22,844    WEBER: We have this footage      where Steve Bannon            1309 01:21:22,944 --> 01:21:27,382  is interviewing Epstein to try  to rehabilitate Epstein's image. 1310 01:21:27,482 --> 01:21:29,317 At the same time,                 people are making sense         1311 01:21:29,417 --> 01:21:31,019 of the 3.5 million files,        1312 01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:35,690 there's Congress, who is          continuing to investigate this  1313 01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:38,026 and continuing to                 call witnesses,                 1314 01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:39,961  including the Attorney-General. 1315 01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:46,701   NEWSREADER: Alright, getting      back to our breaking news,    1316 01:21:46,801 --> 01:21:48,870    Attorney-General Pam Bondi    is set to testify                1317 01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:51,806    before the House Judiciary      Committee at any moment now.   1318 01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:54,175    NEWSREADER 2: Survivors say     their identities were exposed  1319 01:21:54,276 --> 01:21:56,011 because of inadequate redaction. 1320 01:21:57,946 --> 01:21:59,848 PHILLIPS: Well, right now, we're   heading over to the Capitol.   1321 01:21:59,948 --> 01:22:04,452   I have a meeting with           Congressman Lou Correa.         1322 01:22:04,552 --> 01:22:08,757   After that, we'll be heading     over to Pam Bondi's hearing.   1323 01:22:18,533 --> 01:22:20,435 We have Congress                   working on our side,           1324 01:22:20,535 --> 01:22:23,038 and, you know, they want answers  just as much as we do.          1325 01:22:24,706 --> 01:22:26,942   Hi. Nice to meet you.             Hi.                           1326 01:22:27,042 --> 01:22:29,244    Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you.     Pleasure meeting you.          1327 01:22:29,344 --> 01:22:31,446   Come on in. We have a          camera guy following us.         1328 01:22:31,546 --> 01:22:33,882 Oh, my, I should                    have put my tie on.           1329 01:22:40,288 --> 01:22:42,324  I wanna take a                    moment to acknowledge          1330 01:22:42,424 --> 01:22:45,293   the Epstein survivors             who are here today.           1331 01:22:45,393 --> 01:22:48,596 I am deeply sorry                  for what any victim,           1332 01:22:48,697 --> 01:22:51,533   any victim has been through.   1333 01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:57,505 Attorney-General Bondi, will you  turn to them now and apologise  1334 01:22:57,605 --> 01:23:02,377    for what your Department of     Justice has put them through   1335 01:23:02,477 --> 01:23:05,547    with the absolutely            unacceptable release of         1336 01:23:05,647 --> 01:23:08,616 the Epstein files                 and their information.          1337 01:23:17,559 --> 01:23:21,196  PHILLIPS: I was pretty            shocked that she just             didn't even turn her head,    1338 01:23:21,296 --> 01:23:24,499  just not even just a little bit   just to acknowledge.           1339 01:23:24,599 --> 01:23:26,334    It doesn't even have to be       an apology,                   1340 01:23:26,434 --> 01:23:28,436    but to acknowledge               that we were there            1341 01:23:28,536 --> 01:23:31,006   and that we represent          1,200 survivors.                 1342 01:23:33,475 --> 01:23:35,710  To my right is an email         1343 01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:38,580 that was sent by                 the victims' lawyers to the DOJ. 1344 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,149  It was a list of names           not to release.                 1345 01:23:41,249 --> 01:23:43,752 They released this email!        1346 01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:48,189    Literally the worst             thing you could do to           the survivors, you did.         1347 01:23:48,289 --> 01:23:50,225  And we know you touched           the document                   1348 01:23:50,325 --> 01:23:51,860   because you redacted              the lawyer's name,            1349 01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,095   but you left                      the survivor's name there.    1350 01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:57,332  MAN: So, I really have             just one question for you.    1351 01:23:57,432 --> 01:24:00,635   How many of Epstein's           co-conspirators                    have you indicted?            1352 01:24:00,735 --> 01:24:04,672   How many perpetrators             are you even investigating?   1353 01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,275  First, you showed a...          1354 01:24:07,375 --> 01:24:09,377   I find it...                      How many have you indicted?   1355 01:24:09,477 --> 01:24:11,546    Excuse me,                     I'm gonna answer the question.  1356 01:24:11,646 --> 01:24:12,614    Answer my question.           1357 01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:13,882   No, I'm gonna                     answer the question           1358 01:24:13,982 --> 01:24:15,750 the way I want to answer           the question.                  1359 01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:18,019    No, you can answer              the question... Your           theatrics are ridiculous.        1360 01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:19,220   ..the way I asked it.          1361 01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:25,994  PHILLIPS: I really got to see,   like, in the flesh, in person,  1362 01:24:26,094 --> 01:24:27,595   like, wow...                   1363 01:24:28,997 --> 01:24:32,867 ..they really are                 turning a blind eye to          this for whatever reason.        1364 01:24:32,967 --> 01:24:35,970   And it only makes you           think that there's got          to be a real reason why,         1365 01:24:36,071 --> 01:24:37,138  right?                          1366 01:24:39,374 --> 01:24:42,911  WOMAN: Madam Attorney-General,    will you meet with survivors      after this?                   1367 01:24:43,011 --> 01:24:46,247   MAN: You're a disgrace to the   legal profession and to women.  1368 01:24:46,347 --> 01:24:49,617   What a shame you are!          Shameful person!                 1369 01:24:52,087 --> 01:24:54,956 TOBIN: Are you looking at          the reaction                   1370 01:24:55,056 --> 01:24:57,692   in Europe and the UK             and other parts of the world   1371 01:24:57,792 --> 01:25:00,528 and scratching your head            with what's going on here?    1372 01:25:00,628 --> 01:25:04,599  Yes. And I see                   a different attitude overseas.  1373 01:25:04,699 --> 01:25:08,503         The untouchables            are touchable now.            1374 01:25:09,237 --> 01:25:11,673    Breaking news about              Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.   1375 01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:15,376    The BBC understands that he    has been arrested on suspicion  1376 01:25:15,477 --> 01:25:17,579  of misconduct in public office. 1377 01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,814    NEWSREADER: It comes weeks      after the Justice Department   1378 01:25:19,914 --> 01:25:21,883  released emails                 Andrew allegedly sent to         1379 01:25:21,983 --> 01:25:25,620   the late sex offender          Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.        1380 01:25:32,794 --> 01:25:33,928   we'd always imagined           that it could come to this place   and he was arrested,           1381 01:25:34,028 --> 01:25:36,798 and I still found myself           absolutely speechless          1382 01:25:36,898 --> 01:25:38,800  for the first couple of hours.  1383 01:25:41,736 --> 01:25:43,471  NEWSREADER: Andrew was serving  as a UKand appears to have time, forwarded Epstein                1384 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,443   British government documents   on trade policy.                 But this wasn't the story         that we were following at all,  1385 01:25:48,543 --> 01:25:50,211    this was something              completely different.          1386 01:25:50,311 --> 01:25:54,449    REPORTER: Now Peter            Mandelson, who was the          UK ambassador to the US,         1387 01:25:54,549 --> 01:25:56,217    has also now been arrested.   1388 01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:59,821    And, you know, it's            fascinating to see how           far this chain will go.         1389 01:25:59,921 --> 01:26:02,590  We are probably                    only at the very beginning.   1390 01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:15,436 CEObut I haven't seenle           gany arrests or investigations  here in the United States        from this Department of Justice. 1391 01:26:16,571 --> 01:26:20,542 As an American journalist          looking at everything            happening in Europe,           1392 01:26:20,642 --> 01:26:24,479    this is how                    sophisticated democracies react 1393 01:26:24,579 --> 01:26:25,947 to alarming information -        1394 01:26:26,047 --> 01:26:27,048 they investigate.                1395 01:26:27,148 --> 01:26:29,784  I have nothing to hide.           I've been exonerated.          1396 01:26:29,884 --> 01:26:32,287 I have nothing to do with        Jeffrey Epstein.                 1397 01:26:32,387 --> 01:26:35,423    KLASFELD: What we're seeing    in the United States is         1398 01:26:35,523 --> 01:26:37,859    Trump's Justice Department      trying to say                  1399 01:26:37,959 --> 01:26:40,028   that there is                    nothing to see here.           1400 01:26:40,128 --> 01:26:42,163 WEBER: Is there evidence           that Jeffrey Epstein           1401 01:26:42,263 --> 01:26:45,400   was trafficking girls           to other powerful men?          1402 01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:48,703    According to the Associated     Press's review of the files,   1403 01:26:48,803 --> 01:26:50,271 the FBI says no.                 1404 01:26:52,073 --> 01:26:55,510   In regards to the sex             trafficking and the abuse,    1405 01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:57,845 do you personally                know of evidence                 1406 01:26:57,946 --> 01:27:01,649    that exists within               the Department of Justice,    1407 01:27:01,749 --> 01:27:05,286  within the FBI,                    that has not come out yet?    1408 01:27:05,386 --> 01:27:07,889    I do. I do.                   1409 01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:14,729 BALTZ: You know,                   when you have different girls  1410 01:27:14,829 --> 01:27:18,800 telling the same stories,           corroborating each other...   1411 01:27:19,968 --> 01:27:22,437    ..that's powerful,            really powerful.                 1412 01:27:22,537 --> 01:27:24,439  So, and again,                  1413 01:27:24,539 --> 01:27:29,010    I think we have to believe      victims and survivors           of this sort of thing.          1414 01:27:31,179 --> 01:27:34,782 I know of people                   that girls were traded out to  1415 01:27:34,882 --> 01:27:36,918  that have not come out.         1416 01:27:40,622 --> 01:27:42,657  I tend to believe that          1417 01:27:42,757 --> 01:27:45,126    this story                     is going to outlive me          1418 01:27:45,226 --> 01:27:48,529 because it's filled with            so many mysteries,            1419 01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:50,031 things people don't know.        1420 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,737  We don't know the depth           of the cover-up yet,           1421 01:27:55,837 --> 01:28:01,776   but I think this will          eventually rank up there           with, uh, Watergate.           1422 01:28:01,876 --> 01:28:04,012    CARLSON: Hopefully              the American public's          1423 01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:06,281 going to continue                to care about this story         1424 01:28:06,381 --> 01:28:11,152  and continue to demand           that we get all of the answers. 1425 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,957    We're done                      laying down and being quiet.   1426 01:28:16,057 --> 01:28:17,925  Now we're screaming in public.  1427 01:28:20,228 --> 01:28:21,729 BANNON: It's a serious question.    Oh, sorry.                    1428 01:28:21,829 --> 01:28:23,998   Do you think                   you're the devil himself?        1429 01:28:24,098 --> 01:28:25,633   I don't know.                   Why would you say that?         1430 01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:28,236   Because you have all            the attributes. You're          incredibly smart.                1431 01:28:28,336 --> 01:28:29,937    You remember, the devil...       Is the devil smart?           1432 01:28:30,038 --> 01:28:32,774  The devil's brilliant.          1433 01:28:32,874 --> 01:28:35,610 SPENCER: Jeffrey Epstein           was the true epitome of evil.  1434 01:28:35,710 --> 01:28:40,848  Very polished,                    wealthy, well-spoken,            very intelligent man.          1435 01:28:40,948 --> 01:28:44,218  And he used all                 of that for evil.                1436 01:28:46,854 --> 01:28:49,123    MAITLIS: We do not              do this story justice          1437 01:28:49,223 --> 01:28:51,426    if we think                   it starts and ends with Epstein. 1438 01:28:51,526 --> 01:28:52,660   Of course it doesn't.          1439 01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,797  There is so much further to go. 1440 01:29:05,406 --> 01:29:07,175 Captions by Red Bee Media        1441 01:29:07,275 --> 01:29:09,243   Copyright Australian           Broadcasting Corporation         181195

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