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 MAN: Before we get into        
the deep stuff, let's just talk,

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 let's give some basics.        

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 Remember, when you're answering
these questions,                

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   I'm not in the shot          

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  and they're never gonna hear  
my voice.                       

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  Oh, boy. OK.                  

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WOMAN: The first                
word that I would use to        
describe Jeffrey Epstein        

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  other than a predator         
is 'mysterious'.                

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  How did he become so wealthy? 

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  How did he ingratiate         
 himself into the exact         
  right social circles?         

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   How did he get away without  
being caught for so long?       

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  (GIRLS LAUGH)                 

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 WOMAN: I never                 
 could have anticipated         

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 how diabolical                 
  Jeffrey Epstein was.          

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 MAN: There's something         
   deeply fucked up with you.   

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   At least something.          

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We know there are things        
deeply fucked up                

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  you will get through          
  in this film, right?          

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 MAN: Where I come from         
you don't kill my brother       

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and walk away from that.        

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   What are the Epstein files?  

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WOMAN: The Epstein files        
 are all the information        
 that the government has        

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regarding Jeffrey Epstein       
and his co-conspirators.        

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   MAN: Photographic evidence,  
 interviews of victims.         

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  MAN 2: Emails written to him, 

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         tMAN 3: Court.         
 documents, FBI reports.        

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  And it is much more expansive 
than you had ever even imagined.

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MAN 4: People want to see names.

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They want to know               
  who the sex traffickers are.  

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  They want to know who         
   the paedophiles are          

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and they want vengeance.        

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  WOMAN: Do you know the names  
   of powerful people           

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who have not yet                
  been named publicly?          

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  Yes.                          

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   Congressman Khanna!          
Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...       

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Nice to see you.                
..from Australia.               

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Why do you think                
  it's a fight that has united  

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 a very divided                 
political spectrum here?        

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 You can't rape underage girls. 

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You can't cover that up.        

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MAN: Trump opened               
up Pandora's box.               

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 He thought that he could crack 
  it open slightly and shut it. 

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  But the curse                 
 is not going back into the box.

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  WOMAN: I don't understand why 
the President fought it so hard.

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   Releasing the Epstein files  
   is about revealing           

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all of that dirty, nasty,       
 horrible things that happened. 

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   Why would he cover this up?  

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  MAN: I think he's protecting  
  rich and powerful men         

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who participated                
   in sex trafficking.          

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   REPORTER: 3 million pages,   

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 180,000 images.                

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 The latest dump                
 from the Epstein files         

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 after weeks of                 
   political pressure.          

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   That moment                  
   created global shock waves.  

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   REPORTER: A day of extreme   
 jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer. 

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  REPORTER 2: Norway's          
Crown Princess is               
facing intense scrutiny.        

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 REPORTER 3: Extraordinary news 
 out of the UK.                 

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The former Prince Andrew        
   has been arrested.           

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WOMAN: The Epstein files        
 are part of the Epstein story. 

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   You have to understand how   
the Epstein files fit in        

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   to what Epstein was doing,   

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   and the failures of the US   
 government in doing their job. 

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WOMAN: The Epstein story        
   has one man at its centre,   

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one spider in the               
   centre of the web.           

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 But that web could not         
  have been constructed         

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   without complicity.          

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  Do you think                  
you're the devil himself?       

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No. But I do have a good mirror.

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NEWSREADER: We are going to turn
 now to the debate in Washington

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over the release                
  of the Jeffrey Epstein files. 

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   Today, a group of survivors  
   of the Epstein controversy   

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  will be here on Capitol Hill. 

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  Urgent new calls for          
transparency from               
   Epstein survivors,           

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   24 of whom are now           
 re-upping their demand         

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  that Congress release         
all of the Epstein files.       

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 WOMAN: It's an                 
  honour to stand here          

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  for something America         
 is finally united on -         

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  the immediate release         
  of the entire Epstein files.  

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  There's approximately         
  1,200 women that were         
   victims of Jeffrey Epstein   

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 and they say other men.        

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   They've wanted justice and   
  they fought very hard for it. 

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WOMAN: We are more than victims.

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   We are mothers, daughters,   
sisters, friends.               

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   And we will not be erased.   

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MAN: Some of these women        
   have been at this 20 years.  

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  Some of them had, I believe,  
almost given up.                

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 But the fact that they         
   were invited to the capital  
  of the United States          

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  and that every media outlet,  
  you know, showed up, they're  
renewed in their efforts.       

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  This is me when I met         
Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.        
  This is me when I met         
Jeffrey Epstein.                

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   A lot of us, it was          
 the first time that we         
  had spoken publicly.          

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 My name is Dani Bensky.        
  This was me at 17 years old.  

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So we were just kind of standing
  in solidarity with each other 

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and saying to the world,        

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like, "There's more of us       
   than you thought."           

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   My name is Marina Lacerda.   
 I was minor victim one.        

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   My name is Gena-Lisa Jones   
  and I was only 14 years old.  

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   My name is Chauntae Davis.   

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  My name is Laura Bloom McGee. 

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My name is Haley Robson.        
My name is Anoushka De Georgiou.

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My name is Courtney Wild.       
My name is Lisa Phillips.       

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   My name is Ashley Rubright   

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 and I am a survivor of Jeffrey 
 Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 

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 When you're a survivor of abuse
 from a serial predator,        

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 you just have this bond        
with the other survivors.       
We understand each other        
  like nobody else can.         

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  WOMAN: It's been a tremendous 
  mountain to move to get here. 

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  It took an incredible outcry  
from the public,                

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  huge political will,          

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  aAnd that's many, many tears  
 from the survivors to get here.
So we're just heading in        
  to meet with Ashley Rubright, 

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whoAnd she's only just started  
  speaking out publicly         
   about what happened to her.  

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 We're this house here.         

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Hi, Ashley. How are you?        
   Good. How are you?           

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 It's nice to meet you.         
  So nice to meet you. Come in. 

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Thank you so much for having us.
   Of course.                   

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 Oh, it's still very Christmassy
   in here, isn't it?           

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  Yes.                          
(LAUGHS)                        

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When did you meet               
Jeffrey Epstein?                

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  So it was about 2002 to 2003  

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and I would have                
been...about 15.                

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 I was going to                 
Summit Christian School.        

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  I was a cheerleader.          

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 I was in dance,                
   like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.  

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Um, I was working               
at a barbecue restaurant        

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and one of my coworkers,        

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   he asked me one day          
in the restaurant               

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  if I would like to give a man 
   a massage for $200.          

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 I thought about it for a second
and said, "Sure."               

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 I just remember pulling        
  into his house in Palm Beach. 

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 And we were led                
into the kitchen.               

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 And then Sarah Kellen came in, 
 his assistant.                 

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Said it was time.               

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Then Sarah, she's the one       
  that led me upstairs.         

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  I didn't look around.         
I was just looking down.        

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 So all I remember was the pink 
 carpet on the spiral staircase.

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 And she opened the door        
and said, "Alright, I'll        
  be back in an hour."          

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   I was shocked when I walked  
   into the bathroom.           

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 But then I calmed myself down, 
thinking,                       

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 "Of course, he's naked because 
 that's how people get massages 

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   "and I should just           
   not be so shocked."          

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 He just kind of                
   laid on the table.           

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   And then he told me          
   how to massage him.          

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  Then he flipped over.         

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 And...                         

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 That's... Things got...        

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 ..really way more inappropriate
 there.                         

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  And he asked me to...         

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   ..to take off my bra and...  

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  ..to pull up my skirt         

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 and...                         

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 He was touching himself        
 the whole time.                

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 I was just trying not to look. 

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  And he would grab me,         

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  grab my behind and...         

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  I was just trying to          
 not be there, you know,        

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  at that time.                 

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 And...                         

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  ..he finished and hopped up.  

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 And...                         

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  ..then Sarah came in          
   and led me back downstairs.  

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 I felt shocked.                

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 And then I remember...         

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   ..trying to rationalise it.  

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It had to have just been        
   like a fluke, a one time...  

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  ..thing that he just          
couldn't control.               

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  I did go back one more time.  

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 The second time, it escalated. 

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I just remembered Jeffrey       
 bringing over a basket         

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  and asking me to pick         
  one and asking me if          
  I knew how to use it.         

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 And...                         

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 ..he had me sit                
  on the bathroom floor         

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 and he sat on the edge         
  of the massage table.         

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  And I remember what happened. 

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  A basket of sex toys?         
  Yes.                          

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   Thank you for saying that.   
Yeah. That's OK.                

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So this was 2000.               

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 And these are all just,        
  like, happy messages.         

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   I read some of my yearbooks  

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 and it was such                
a drastic change.               

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  Right after Jeffrey,          

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   the messages, even my face.  

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 Everything had started         
  to just look darker.          

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   This one says, "We had fun   
when you're not so mad."        

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or, "You're sweet               
   when you're not mad." Yeah.  

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  I was angry, and I...         

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 ..I didn't care who got        
the brunt of it, at all.        

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  Yeah.                         

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 I stopped cheerleading,        
I stopped dance.                

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And I kind of went from, like...

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   ..trying to do good          
   to just not caring.          

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   Did you tell anyone          
  what happened to you?         

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   Just my friend Sean          

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but nobody else.                

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I didn't think there was a story
   to tell, really, you know?   

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 MAN: Mr Epstein, is it true you
  were born January 20th, 1953? 

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  Yes.                          

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 Where?                         
New York.                       

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   Where in New York.           
Brooklyn.                       

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   Hey, Adam.                   
   Hi, Grace.                   

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  How are you?                  
  Pleasure to meet you.         

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  Nice to meet you too. Thanks  
 so much for doing this with us.

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My pleasure, my pleasure.       

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  Adam, can you tell me         
  a bit about yourself?         

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 Well, I've been a legal        
  journalist for close          
   to two decades now,          

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and the Southern District of    
 New York was my long-time beat.

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So you see a lot of cases       

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 of national and                
   international significance   
 going into that court.         

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  And one of them just happened 
to be Epstein's.                

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 We are in Coney Island.        

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 Coney Island, Brooklyn.        

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We're right near                
 where Jeffrey Epstein grew up. 

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  And this is actually          
 the Sea Gate community         

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  in the distance right there,  

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Jeffrey Epstein's               
 childhood home.                

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   Jeffrey Epstein had          
   a modest upbringing          

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in an immigrant community       
  in Brooklyn.                  

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  His father worked at the New  
   York City Parks Department.  

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 His mother worked at a school. 

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  And he had a younger brother, 
  Mark.                         

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  He had a lifelong fascination 
with math                       

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  and by all accounts,          
 was pretty good at it.         

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 This is The Dalton Prep School.

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 It is where he                 
   got his first job.           

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   Even though he was           
   a college dropout,           

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  his first job was at          
a very prestigious school       

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  where he was a math teacher.  

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 One of the parents of a student

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introduced him to               
the CEO of Bear Stearns,        

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   a man named Ace Greenberg,   

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   where he got his first job   
 on Wall Street.                

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 (GENERAL STOCK MARKET CHATTER) 

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 We are on Wall Street,         

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  where Jeffrey Epstein         
made his fortune.               

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He was, by all accounts,        
 very charming.                 

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Jeffrey Epstein tried to,       
  throughout his life,          

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  make connections with people  
  with money and power.         

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He was able to get people       
   to trust him very quickly.   

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He won the trust of billionaires
   like Leslie Wexner,          

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 who gave him power of attorney.

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 He won the trust of Leon Black,

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  who paid him                  
hundreds of millions of dollars,

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   far above the market rate.   

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   And from there, uh,          
   there is a lot of mystery,   

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   but we're getting a picture  
  more and more                 

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of him finagling people,        

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uh, wheeling and dealing,       

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  and ultimately became         
   fabulously wealthy.          

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 This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper
   East Side townhouse mansion  

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   and the famous, uh,          
 lantern over the door.         

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 He had a massage room in there.

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 He had the dining room,        
  where he entertained.         

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   I mean, the photos           
really do tell the story.       

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  Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine 
   Maxwell in the early 1990s.  

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   As the daughter of a media   
 tycoon, with a British accent, 

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   she brought something that   
  Jeffrey Epstein didn't have - 

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  access to the elite.          

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  Have you got drinks?          

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They socialised with politicians

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   with big names in academia,  
  finance, you name it.         

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  Whether it was the man known  
  at the time as Prince Andrew. 

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Or whether it was               
 former president Bill Clinton. 

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He had his private island       
in the US Virgin Islands,       

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  a ranch outside of Santa Fe,  

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 property in Palm Beach         

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  and in Paris.                 

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  He was flaunting his          
  jet-setting lifestyle         
 and his massive wealth.        

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   JEFFREY EPSTEIN: Look at me  
like you love me.               

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  I can't wait.                 

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 OK, so now I'm walking towards 

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 the lily pond.                 

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I'm here on the beach by myself.

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   This is my swimming          
pool - my beach.                

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 No-one's allowed to dock here. 

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   The luncheon place.          

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  The nursery.                  

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   At the point there           
 is the library.                

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PHILLIPS: It's an honour        
   to stand here again          

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  for something                 
  America is finally united on. 

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  The immediate release         
  of the entire Epstein files.  

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So these are just               
 my modelling pictures.         

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 Mm-hm.                         
Like, when I started out.       

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 This is when I was 17.         

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 I would send these to modelling
agencies to get started.        

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 I was a fashion                
   model in New York,           

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  had worked my way up          
 since I was 15 or 16 years old.

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So this was from the actual week
 I met Jeffrey.                 

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   Ah.                          

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 The year 2000 and I had booked,
 like, a really big job.        

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  Our agent at the time, Jeff,  
   sent us to Tortola           
  on the Caribbean Sea.         

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   Tortola was a small island.  

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 There was really not that much 
  to do there.                  

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 So the other model was         
like, "You know, we have        
  a free day tomorrow."         

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She suggested we                
 go see her friend, you         
 know, Jeffrey Epstein,         

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  that owned an island nearby.  

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   Yeah, we were both,          
like maybe 22 years old.        

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   Spent the day just,          
  like, playing in the          
   pool, in the ocean.          

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 And there I met                
  two other young blonde girls. 

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  Went to dinner that evening,  
   and I met Jeffrey Epstein.   

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   He was laser focused on me   

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  and asking so many questions  
   about my childhood           

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 and my dreams and aspirations. 

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   I had told him in that time  
that we had shared on the island

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that I wanted to                
be a Ford model,                

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 and I kind of built up         
this trust with this man.       

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 Getting ready to go to         
  sleep, there just was         
  a knock at the door,          

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and one of the other young girls
 poked her head in and was like,

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"Jeffrey's ready                
  for his massage now."         

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  And I'm just like, "OK, well, 
you go ahead, I'm going to bed."

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 And she was just like,         
  "No, he said for you          
  to give the massage."         

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Long story short,               
 like, I just had to go.        

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 And so I experienced, you know,
 sexual abuse that evening, um, 

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 from Jeffrey and the other girl
 that was there.                

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  I think when you're younger,  
   you always blame yourself.   

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  Like, "What did I do?         
 Was I flirting with this guy?" 

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  Like, I went home and         
 I wanted nothing to do         
  with him after that.          

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   And a few months had passed  
and he called me.               

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 A lot of my modelling castings 
 would be here in Soho.         

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Right up here, when I was       
 walking, right up here         

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was where I got the call        
  from Jeffrey.                 

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  He was very brief and to the  
  point that he had remembered, 

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you know, my goals and ambitions
 that I told him on the island -

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   that I wanted to be a Ford   
model, big dream of mine,       

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   and that he knew the owner   
  of the Ford Modelling Agency  

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   and for me to go over there  
   and meet with her.           

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And I was just thinking,        

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 whatever happened to me        
   on the island wasn't good,   

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 but maybe he was trying        
   to make up for it,           

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  you know, by saying,          
 "I remember your goal,         

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   "well, I can help you out."  

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During that time,               

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  were you ever abused          
by Epstein again                

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or any men in his orbit?        

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 So, yeah, I was                
  abused by him again.          

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   And through his connections  

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 where he would sent me         
on auditions and things.        

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  But back then, I wasn't aware 
 that I was trafficked.         

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   Can you explain a bit more   
about how the trafficking       
operation worked?               

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00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:57,843
  Well, auditions are castings  
   by Epstein.                  

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  So it's like,                 
   "Oh, let me just send you.   

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  "My friend is casting         
  a really big film right now." 

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00:23:02,647 --> 00:23:04,216
And you're sent somewhere       

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00:23:04,316 --> 00:23:07,419
  where all of a sudden         
  you're propositioned for sex  

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00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,989
and the people around you       
are enforcing it.               

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 Just thought it                
was the business.               

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00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,363
  Just thought I was going to a 
 casting and audition, working, 

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 and that's kind of how some of 
the older men were, just creepy.

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And I never connected it        
to a more nefarious ring        

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00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:28,273
that involved modelling agencies
  and Epstein.                  

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 There were hundreds of         
girls from these Eastern        
   European countries           

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sent to Paris, sent to New York.

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00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:39,417
 You know, they were doing quite
 abusive things to these models.

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  It was like a                 
   well-oiled machine.          

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00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:48,427
 Fast forward a few years later,

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 I had a girlfriend who was also
 involved in this Epstein world.

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 She had came to me one evening 
  and said that                 

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Jeffrey had made                
   her go into a room,          

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00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,739
 made to go have                
sex with somebody               

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00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,676
   and so she at that           
time was scared.                

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00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,878
I became scared,                
and we kind of...               

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00:24:06,978 --> 00:24:08,980
..both kind of moved out        
of New York at that time        

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00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,184
 and I never saw him again after
that 'cause I was scared.       

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KLASFELD: Jeffrey               
Epstein's trail of sexual       
abuse happened globally.        

361
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:32,304
   However, Palm Beach          
 was the centre, in many        
ways, of the sexual abuse       

362
00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:35,674
  and where his crimes          
  were originally investigated. 

363
00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:47,085
  Hey there. We're just         
   driving around Palm Beach.   

364
00:24:47,185 --> 00:24:48,987
 Is there any way to get through
 or no?                         

365
00:24:49,087 --> 00:24:50,489
   No, not...                   
 Is this closed?                

366
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:52,991
   Yeah. OK. Alright.           
  Just wanted to check.         

367
00:24:53,091 --> 00:24:54,793
Why is it closed?               

368
00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:57,496
Because Trump's in town.        

369
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,469
   So I'm Holly Baltz.          

370
00:25:04,569 --> 00:25:09,641
  I'm a retired investigations  
editor from the Palm Beach Post.

371
00:25:09,741 --> 00:25:11,476
   Just newly retired.          

372
00:25:12,811 --> 00:25:18,049
   We, as in the Post, covered  
Epstein from the very beginning.

373
00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:27,025
 I never could have anticipated 
  how big this case got to be.  

374
00:25:29,427 --> 00:25:32,731
 Palm Beach Police first started
  investigating Jeffrey Epstein 

375
00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:36,535
   when the stepmother          
of a ninth grader               

376
00:25:36,635 --> 00:25:38,603
 at Royal Palm Beach High School
reported                        

377
00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:43,241
 that a wealthy man had molested
 her daughter in March of 2005. 

378
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:47,178
   This is the east/west route  

379
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,248
 that goes past                 
  Royal Palm Beach High School. 

380
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:55,120
You know, it wasn't just        
  the one girl.                 

381
00:25:56,388 --> 00:26:01,359
   Police found that a number   
 of victims were recruited here.

382
00:26:04,095 --> 00:26:06,765
  They started                  
interviewing more girls,        

383
00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:10,168
 and every time they did, it was
   like peeling back an onion.  

384
00:26:22,781 --> 00:26:26,618
 Not only were the girls getting
   sexually abused themselves,  

385
00:26:26,718 --> 00:26:30,488
 but he also offered to pay them
 if they'd bring their friends. 

386
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,792
Um, and these were girls        
 who didn't have a lot of money.

387
00:26:37,395 --> 00:26:41,366
KLASFELD: During                
 Jeffrey Epstein's first        
 criminal investigation,        

388
00:26:41,466 --> 00:26:44,836
  many of the survivors         
 started finding lawyers        

389
00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:50,108
who were willing to bring       
  their stories forward         
   and file lawsuits.           

390
00:26:50,208 --> 00:26:54,279
MAN: I first got involved       
  in the Epstein matter         
   back in about 2006.          

391
00:26:55,714 --> 00:27:00,118
  I was working at a litigation 
 firm here in Palm Beach County 

392
00:27:00,218 --> 00:27:03,955
 and a young girl walked        
into our office with her parents

393
00:27:08,994 --> 00:27:10,895
and told a crazy story about    
 a rich man on Palm Beach Island
  that had paid her about $200  

394
00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:12,797
to go to the home               
 and give him a massage         

395
00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:15,834
   that turned into a           
  sexually explicit and         
 inappropriate massage.         

396
00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:19,270
   Initially,                   
   I didn't quite believe her,  

397
00:27:19,371 --> 00:27:21,940
 to be perfectly honest,        
  it sounded pretty incredible. 

398
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,643
 But once I interviewed         
  the police detective          

399
00:27:24,743 --> 00:27:26,678
   that was conducting          
   the investigation,           

400
00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:28,179
 I realised that this was real. 

401
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:33,118
  Michael Reiter was the chief  
   of police back at the time.  

402
00:27:33,218 --> 00:27:35,654
   And Joe Recarey was          
 the lead investigator.         

403
00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:40,025
Correct?                        

404
00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:41,760
 OK. You were like the houseman?

405
00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:46,564
What can you tell me about that?

406
00:27:52,437 --> 00:27:54,739
  So he can massage in          
  the morning, massage          
in the afternoon.               

407
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,174
   And besides that...          

408
00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:58,710
   OK.                          

409
00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:00,211
 And actually...                

410
00:28:03,581 --> 00:28:07,018
BALTZ: As police officers       
 gathered the evidence,         

411
00:28:07,118 --> 00:28:11,356
  Epstein put together          
a huge team of...               

412
00:28:11,456 --> 00:28:14,125
It was like a dream team.       

413
00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:26,471
   and attorneys who,           
uh, were very aggressive.torneys
   KUVIN: It is widely          
  reported that Jeffrey         
   Epstein and his legal team   

414
00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:29,874
 had some of the victims        
  followed by blacked-out SUVs, 

415
00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:33,678
 uh, you know, showed...        
   showing up at their houses.  

416
00:28:33,778 --> 00:28:36,848
But they were also investigating
   the lead investigator, Joe.  

417
00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:38,750
And I asked to meet him.        

418
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:43,154
So he picked a Starbucks        
  in downtown West Palm Beach.  

419
00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:45,423
 And when I sat down and        
I started talking to him,       

420
00:28:45,523 --> 00:28:47,792
his head was on a swivel        
   and he kept looking around.  

421
00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,961
  And I said, "What are you...  
  what are you doing?"          

422
00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:53,298
 And I'll never forget,         
   he looks at me and he says,  

423
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:57,302
"You have no idea               
   what they're doing to me."   

424
00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,771
  They had been digging         
   through his personal trash,  

425
00:28:59,871 --> 00:29:01,139
   and he said to me,           

426
00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,676
   "I've never seen this kind   
of an operation before."        

427
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:16,521
But Palm Beach Police, they were
very dogged in pursuing Epstein.

428
00:29:16,621 --> 00:29:19,357
  We're police officers         
 of Palm Beach County, Florida. 

429
00:29:19,457 --> 00:29:21,659
   They kept amassing victims.  

430
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,596
 The premises occupied or under 
 the control of Jeffrey Epstein.

431
00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:26,931
White male. Date                
of birth 1/20/53.               

432
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,670
KLASFELD: When the first        
 criminal investigation         
   of Jeffrey Epstein           

433
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,472
  was going on,                 

434
00:29:34,572 --> 00:29:38,176
  it had originally seemed like 
  something that could sustain  

435
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:40,779
   an indictment with           
dozens of counts,               

436
00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:45,150
   that Palm Beach Police were  
  building a very strong case.  

437
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,086
But when the entire case        
 was packaged up                

438
00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:50,221
and given to the                
state attorney...               

439
00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:54,025
..the state attorney here       
in Palm Beach at the time       

440
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,394
  decided not to file charges.  

441
00:29:56,494 --> 00:30:01,032
 Chief of Police Michael        
 Reiter was so upset at         
 the lack of prosecution        

442
00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:02,567
   on the state level           

443
00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:05,236
  that he elevated this         
  to the federal level.         

444
00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:10,775
 BALTZ: The FBI was keen        
   to prosecute in the          
  beginning, for sure.          

445
00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:16,080
And they found very much similar
  things as Palm Beach Police,  

446
00:30:16,181 --> 00:30:17,482
but new victims.                

447
00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:23,388
And what came of that was       
 a draft indictment, 60 counts. 

448
00:30:24,455 --> 00:30:27,392
However, this giant case        
 that Palm Beach Police         

449
00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:30,195
spent so much time investigating

450
00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:33,331
 pleaded down to                
  a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal 

451
00:30:33,431 --> 00:30:37,001
 after intense lobbying         
  by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers. 

452
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,438
   The charges                  
   that they ended up bringing  

453
00:30:40,538 --> 00:30:43,908
were solicitation               
  for prostitution of a minor.  

454
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:48,446
 It's basically calling         
   these victims prostitutes.   

455
00:30:48,546 --> 00:30:52,317
  The deal was approved         
 by then US attorney Alex Acosta

456
00:30:52,417 --> 00:30:55,086
  and then kept secret          
from the victims.               

457
00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:58,656
And I think that                
the sweetheart plea deal        

458
00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:01,626
   was, in many ways,           
the original sin of this.       

459
00:31:03,628 --> 00:31:06,397
  KUVIN: It was one of the most 
   awful deals I've ever seen.  

460
00:31:06,497 --> 00:31:11,035
   There isn't a plea           
deal before or since that       
I've ever seen like this.       

461
00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:19,677
It gave complete immunity       
  to not just Epstein,          

462
00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:22,647
 but it included                
   and not limited to           

463
00:31:22,747 --> 00:31:26,184
potential co-conspirators       
   Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,  

464
00:31:26,284 --> 00:31:28,887
Lesley Groff, and               
Nadia Marcinkova.               

465
00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:32,090
   TOBIN: And so these          
are some of the women who       
   helped recruit other girls?  

466
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:33,992
   Yeah, in the sexual          
 pyramid scheme,                

467
00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:36,327
 these were the people that were
   really at the third level,   

468
00:31:36,427 --> 00:31:38,930
 right below Ghislaine Maxwell. 

469
00:31:41,432 --> 00:31:44,335
REPORTER: Jeffrey Epstein       
went to jail just before        
   10:00 this morning.          

470
00:31:44,435 --> 00:31:46,271
He pleaded guilty in open court.

471
00:31:46,371 --> 00:31:48,373
   He agreed to serve           
  a total of 18 months          

472
00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:49,908
 in a Palm Beach                
   detention facility.          

473
00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,280
  People who commit sex crimes  
 against minors                 

474
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,082
go to prison for                
a very long time.               

475
00:31:59,017 --> 00:32:00,785
  Not Jeffrey Epstein.          

476
00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:04,455
   He was sentenced to          
   18 months in jail.           

477
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:10,795
He could get work release for 12
  hours a day, six days a week. 

478
00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,233
  FREEMAN: He wound up          
  being in a cushy jail         

479
00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:18,136
  where he was the only person  
  in that wing.                 

480
00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:23,174
   He could go out, go          
   to his office, take          
  a walk on the beach,          

481
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:27,145
  do whatever he wanted         
 during the day.                
  That's no kind of punishment. 

482
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:31,182
  KUVIN: We had been litigating 
 against Epstein                

483
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:33,484
 on behalf of one of my clients.

484
00:32:33,584 --> 00:32:36,554
He was being allowed out        
  during days.                  

485
00:32:36,654 --> 00:32:39,090
  So we noticed Epstein         
 for deposition.                

486
00:32:41,025 --> 00:32:43,861
Could you please give us        
   your name? Jeffrey Epstein.  

487
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:46,764
   So I wanted him to realise   
I didn't care who he was,       

488
00:32:46,864 --> 00:32:49,133
   what his power was,          
  what his status was,          

489
00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:51,803
   I was gonna ask him          
  the most embarrassing         
 possible thing I could.        

490
00:32:53,071 --> 00:32:55,440
  Is it true, sir, that, um...  

491
00:32:56,774 --> 00:33:00,478
..you have what's been described
 as an egg-shaped penis?        

492
00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:05,717
  He hears me ask the question, 
 watch him look at his lawyers, 

493
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,685
 like, "Can you believe         
  he's asking me this?"         

494
00:33:07,785 --> 00:33:10,755
 MAN: And I'm going to give you 
  the first warning, Mr Kuvin.  

495
00:33:10,855 --> 00:33:13,124
   I had been the first lawyer  
to ask him any questions        

496
00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,360
in the cases that               
 had been filed.                

497
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:19,597
One witness described your penis
 as oval-shaped,                

498
00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,933
 thin and small towards         
the head portion.               

499
00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,435
See, he's angry.                
He's ready to walk out the door.

500
00:33:24,535 --> 00:33:26,738
And then he sees that the       
attorneys are gonna talk.       

501
00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:30,341
  That serves no other purpose  
other than embarrass Mr Epstein.

502
00:33:30,441 --> 00:33:32,643
  It's just totally unethical.  
 It's improper.                 

503
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,178
 The purpose of that question is

504
00:33:34,278 --> 00:33:38,149
 how could a 14-year-old        
  know what his private         
part looked like?               

505
00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:42,487
That question was               
  directly relevant to          
 the claims in the case.        

506
00:33:42,587 --> 00:33:45,023
  The deposition is terminated  
 at this point.                 

507
00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:47,525
   OK. Thanks a lot. I          
appreciate it. Thank you.       

508
00:33:51,162 --> 00:33:53,331
Shortest deposition I've        
  ever taken. (LAUGHS)          

509
00:33:53,431 --> 00:33:54,899
  Ever.                         
  Ever.                         

510
00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:58,069
 Wow. So he probably is feeling 
 pretty confident at this point 

511
00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,338
that he's gotten away with this.
   Pretty much. Yeah.           

512
00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:01,806
  I mean, he had done his deal, 

513
00:34:01,906 --> 00:34:03,908
   and now he was just          
getting through the civil cases,

514
00:34:04,008 --> 00:34:06,077
  thinking that it was          
 all over and all done.         

515
00:34:21,526 --> 00:34:25,463
NEWSREADER: A few steps,        
  a smile and a wave to         
 the deputy at the door.        

516
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:28,065
   We watched Jeffrey Epstein   
walk out of jail.               

517
00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:32,236
Epstein served 13 months        
of an 18-month sentence.        

518
00:34:32,336 --> 00:34:34,338
MAN: He's very happy that       
his jail sentence is over       

519
00:34:34,439 --> 00:34:37,041
and he can begin                
   a new chapter in his life.   

520
00:34:38,876 --> 00:34:41,245
 KLASFELD: When Jeffrey Epstein 
got out of jail,                

521
00:34:41,345 --> 00:34:42,947
the fact that he was prosecuted,

522
00:34:43,047 --> 00:34:45,783
  the fact that he was          
a registered sex offender       

523
00:34:45,883 --> 00:34:47,852
 didn't seem to stand in the way

524
00:34:47,952 --> 00:34:52,957
of his re-entry into high       
   society, wealth and power.   

525
00:34:55,793 --> 00:34:59,497
 The power and influence he had 
convinced a lot of people       

526
00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:00,865
 to look the other way.         

527
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:03,901
  Prince Andrew looked          
 the other way.                 

528
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:10,575
 We also saw Bill Gates meeting 
 with Epstein, despite his past.

529
00:35:12,176 --> 00:35:14,745
   WOMAN: He was some sort of   
 soothsayer, apparently,        

530
00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:18,082
  to a lot of these men         
that were asking him for advice.

531
00:35:18,182 --> 00:35:21,719
  I think that a lot of people  
  probably knew                 

532
00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:23,621
 that everything                
was not on the up and up,       

533
00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,592
but for whatever reason,        
they wanted to be a part        
  of his inner circle.          

534
00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:35,566
  I had a reporter who          
  was covering Epstein          
 every step of the way.         

535
00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:40,638
It was difficult                
 to get people to pay attention.

536
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:46,577
  They felt like he had served  
   his time and there you go.   

537
00:35:46,677 --> 00:35:49,313
  Epstein's conviction          
wasn't even a speed bump.       

538
00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:55,386
I've been researching and       
 writing about child trafficking

539
00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,555
since 2002, 2003,               

540
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,191
and I had this intuition        
  that Jeffrey Epstein          

541
00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:08,466
 was very similar to the network
 that I'd investigated,         
  and I just felt that          
 something was seriously wrong. 

542
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:12,803
   So in 2012, I went           
 down to Florida                

543
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,174
   and I had the good fortune   
   of getting the black book.   

544
00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:24,215
  The black book is just a list 
 of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts. 

545
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:28,319
  It has billionaires,          

546
00:36:28,419 --> 00:36:30,321
 some people in showbiz,        

547
00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:32,056
  captains of industry.         

548
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:38,296
 Um, and multiple girls         
 were in the black book.        

549
00:36:41,799 --> 00:36:44,302
I started talking               
  to some of the girls,         

550
00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:48,773
  and they told me that they'd  
 been flown here or flown there 

551
00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,642
and then one told me that       
 she'd been flown to an island. 

552
00:36:52,276 --> 00:36:54,278
   So in 2012,                  

553
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:58,516
   I believed Jeffrey Epstein   
 was running a network.         

554
00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,418
 And I also had the flight logs.

555
00:37:01,752 --> 00:37:04,822
  So were these                 
the flight logs just for        
his private plane, then?        

556
00:37:04,922 --> 00:37:05,790
  Yes.                          

557
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,593
 Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, 

558
00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:10,995
  Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.  

559
00:37:11,095 --> 00:37:13,030
   I mean, there were a number  
 of very powerful people        

560
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,133
  that were flying with         
Jeffrey Epstein.                

561
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:20,104
And there were a number of girls
   on the flight logs,          

562
00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:24,442
   and I assumed that           
some of them were minors.       

563
00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:33,017
 I worked on getting that story 
   published for three years,   

564
00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:37,855
  and finally Gawker stepped up 
 and published my work.         

565
00:37:40,891 --> 00:37:43,361
  The mainstream media          
 just didn't want to embrace it.

566
00:37:48,232 --> 00:37:51,869
 KLASFELD: After                
that point, we would get        
glimpses of information.        

567
00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:57,908
  Virginia Giuffre, one         
of the Epstein survivors        
from Palm Beach,                

568
00:37:58,009 --> 00:38:02,046
 had moved to Australia         
 after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.

569
00:38:02,146 --> 00:38:06,417
She claimed that she was        
trafficked to then-Prince Andrew

570
00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:07,952
  when she was a minor.         

571
00:38:08,052 --> 00:38:09,920
 She was 17 at the time.        

572
00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:12,990
  Can you tell me about         
   the photo that she provided  

573
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:17,061
 to a newspaper in 2011?        

574
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:21,365
  Virginia Giuffre had produced 
a now infamous photograph       

575
00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,567
   of her, then-Prince Andrew   

576
00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:25,736
 and Ghislaine Maxwell.         

577
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:29,140
 Andrew claimed                 
   that it was a fake           

578
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,842
 and denied criminal wrongdoing.

579
00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:34,945
 BRYANT: Thing about Virginia is

580
00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:37,615
 she'd been with Epstein        
  for a couple of years         

581
00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:39,984
and he had taken her everyplace.

582
00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:43,621
 So she was pretty knowledgeable
about his network               

583
00:38:43,721 --> 00:38:47,158
  and she was launching         
  civil suits,                  

584
00:38:47,258 --> 00:38:51,662
  and she named Jeffrey         
  Epstein and Ghislaine         
 Maxwell as perpetrators        

585
00:38:51,762 --> 00:38:53,164
   who trafficked her           

586
00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:55,199
 to his rich and                
powerful cronies.               

587
00:38:57,268 --> 00:39:02,073
   But she wasn't being taken   
 seriously by the media.        

588
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:08,612
  Jeffrey Epstein very          
  aggressively bullied          
   media organisations          

589
00:39:08,713 --> 00:39:11,082
   that tried to look           
under that rock.                

590
00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:21,158
 Things remained kind of dormant
 for a number of years,         
  until another story came out  
   of the Miami Herald          

591
00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:24,095
  and a reporter that went back 
 and looked at some of the deals

592
00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:26,163
that were struck                
  with Jeffrey Epstein.         

593
00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:31,736
   Julie Brown, her reporting   
   really opened up the case.   

594
00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:33,404
   One second.                  

595
00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:36,140
Oh, you're calling Julie?       

596
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,908
  Good morning.                 

597
00:39:38,008 --> 00:39:40,444
   Good morning. How are you?   
 I'm wonderful.                 

598
00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:45,116
 I have a very pleasant         
   Australian reporter          
here in my office               

599
00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:48,919
   uh, that would like          
to chat with you                

600
00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:50,788
   if you could give her time.  

601
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:51,822
Hang on.                        
   OK.                          

602
00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:53,657
   Hi, Julie.                   

603
00:39:53,758 --> 00:39:55,259
  I've been contacted by a lot  
  of people...                  

604
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,028
   Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard  
   to keep it straight but...   

605
00:39:58,129 --> 00:39:59,230
  Yeah.                         

606
00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:02,032
Yeah, give me a call. But       
  this week is not a good week. 

607
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:06,003
 So we can talk about it later. 
 OK. Yeah, sure.                

608
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:22,453
 Hey, Julie. I'm so glad        
   we could make this happen.   

609
00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:24,255
  Yes.                          
 (BOTH CHUCKLE)                 

610
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,425
  Persistence pays off, right?  
  Yep. It's OK.                 

611
00:40:27,525 --> 00:40:30,261
  Especially since you          
were willing to come all        
the way to Philadelphia.        

612
00:40:30,361 --> 00:40:32,329
 I thought, "Oh, my God.        
This girl's never gonna give up.

613
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,265
"I might as well                
 just get it over with."        

614
00:40:36,233 --> 00:40:39,603
 Tell me how you came to        
  investigate Jeffrey Epstein.  

615
00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:43,874
 Well, I started                
 investigating it right         
  before the election in 2016.  

616
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:48,913
   Most journalists in          
 America knew, you know,        

617
00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:51,382
 something about                
the Jeffrey Epstein case,       

618
00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:54,051
  especially Epstein's          
sweetheart deal.                

619
00:40:54,151 --> 00:40:55,953
 Very lenient plea deal.        

620
00:40:56,053 --> 00:40:58,155
 And there was a lot of stories 
 about,                         

621
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:04,962
   "How did he get this deal?   
  This doesn't make any sense." 
  But nothing that I could find 
really showed me                

622
00:41:05,062 --> 00:41:07,164
how he got away with this crime.

623
00:41:07,264 --> 00:41:10,000
  And so I just started         
 requesting the records,        

624
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,903
   not knowing                  
 where it was going to lead me. 

625
00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:16,507
  Somehow, I got a list         
  of almost a hundred victims.  

626
00:41:18,008 --> 00:41:22,880
 In the end, I had like         
 four victims that were         
 willing to go and talk.        

627
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,949
And in the middle               
 when I was doing that,         

628
00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:30,321
Trump nominated Alexander Acosta
 to be Labor secretary.         

629
00:41:30,421 --> 00:41:33,958
 I want to thank President Trump
  for the privilege of serving. 

630
00:41:34,058 --> 00:41:37,061
Acosta was the US               
Attorney in Miami               

631
00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:39,964
 that signed off                
  on Epstein's sweetheart deal. 

632
00:41:40,064 --> 00:41:42,433
  I, Alexander Acosta,          
  do solemnly swear...          

633
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:47,271
So then I pitched a story       
 that we would go to the victims

634
00:41:47,371 --> 00:41:51,108
 and ask them, you know,        
  what they think about the man 

635
00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:53,344
 that let their predator        
  off the hook,                 

636
00:41:53,444 --> 00:41:55,212
 who is now, by                 
   the way, in charge           

637
00:41:55,312 --> 00:41:58,849
of one of the largest government
 agencies in the country        

638
00:41:58,949 --> 00:42:01,352
 with oversight                 
  of human trafficking.         

639
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,889
  It was a high pressure story  

640
00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:07,324
   because it involved          
   a lot of important people.   

641
00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:11,695
  It was going to be put online 
   very early in the morning,   

642
00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:15,366
 so we sort of braced ourselves,
 I guess you could say.         

643
00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:18,536
  And at the time that morning, 
 there was a funny story        

644
00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:20,104
   that was at the top          
   of our leaderboard.          

645
00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:22,139
My story was at the very bottom.

646
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,409
And so I packed everything up. I
thought, "That's it for the day.

647
00:42:25,509 --> 00:42:28,512
  "You know, I'm going to take  
  the day off."                 

648
00:42:28,612 --> 00:42:31,215
   And I was getting all ready  
and another reporter said to me,

649
00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:32,850
  "Julie, look at this story."  

650
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:35,452
And it was going                
boom, boom, boom.               

651
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,161
 at the disturbing case         
 wiof Jeffrey Epstein.ok        
   Joining me this morning is   
Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.

652
00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:48,999
  Investigative reporter behind 
   the Miami Herald expose...   
  Julie Brown, let me ask you,  
  set the scene for us.         

653
00:42:51,335 --> 00:42:54,705
   KUVIN: This story uncovered  
   this underbelly of society,  

654
00:42:54,805 --> 00:42:56,273
of the rich and powerful        

655
00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,977
   and what they were doing to  
 people who were less powerful. 

656
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:02,246
  KLASFELD: The                 
   Miami Herald series          

657
00:43:02,346 --> 00:43:05,282
 drops in November 2018.        

658
00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:13,891
  It had such an impact that by 
   July of the following year,  

659
00:43:13,991 --> 00:43:18,262
 Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and
  charged with sex trafficking. 

660
00:43:20,331 --> 00:43:22,600
  REPORTER: Billionaire Jeffrey 
Epstein has been arrested       

661
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,736
   for alleged sex trafficking  
 of young girls,                

662
00:43:25,836 --> 00:43:28,872
 and agents have been coming in 
and out of his Manhattan mansion

663
00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:30,274
  all morning.                  

664
00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:31,976
 MAN: Epstein is charged        
   in a two-count indictment.   

665
00:43:32,076 --> 00:43:35,012
   First - conspiracy           
to commit sex trafficking       

666
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:37,715
   and second, sex trafficking  
   of underage girls,           

667
00:43:37,815 --> 00:43:41,485
   beginning in at least 2002   
and continuing until 2005       

668
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:49,793
   at his mansion in New York   
   and in Palm Beach, Florida.  
 I'm not going into any dealings
   with main justice,           

669
00:43:49,893 --> 00:43:51,328
I will say that we were assisted

670
00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:53,831
   from some excellent          
investigative journalism.       

671
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:57,968
BROWN: I just got a call        
   from the news desk saying,   

672
00:43:58,068 --> 00:43:59,903
 "We just got something         
  over the wire                 

673
00:44:00,004 --> 00:44:02,072
"that said that Epstein's       
 been arrested."                

674
00:44:02,172 --> 00:44:04,174
I was like, oh, you know,       
   it was incredible.           

675
00:44:04,274 --> 00:44:06,276
 I was just... I                
  couldn't believe it.          

676
00:44:08,445 --> 00:44:10,547
   Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.  

677
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,717
Thanks so much for taking       
  the time to talk to me today. 

678
00:44:13,817 --> 00:44:14,852
  Sure.                         

679
00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:16,453
 When your brother was arrested,

680
00:44:16,553 --> 00:44:19,590
can you tell me what that       
 was like, that moment?         

681
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:24,928
Jeffrey gets arrested, you know,
   we spoke the night before.   

682
00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:26,463
He called me from Paris.        

683
00:44:26,563 --> 00:44:29,166
Just a normal, you know, "What's
   new? How you doing?" call.   

684
00:44:29,266 --> 00:44:32,369
   And then he flies home the   
 next day and he gets arrested. 

685
00:44:33,971 --> 00:44:39,076
 BROWN: I wanted                
to be at his first court        
appearance the next day.        

686
00:44:40,477 --> 00:44:43,280
He looked like such a small man.

687
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:47,518
 You know, small, frail,        
 you know, human being.         

688
00:44:47,618 --> 00:44:51,588
 Um, just looked                
  lost, quite frankly.          

689
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:54,324
  I don't think he ever thought 
 he was going to be rearrested. 

690
00:44:54,425 --> 00:44:56,427
REPORTER: Now, yesterday,       
 we were there in court.        

691
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:58,696
His attorneys are arguing       
   that Epstein struck a deal   

692
00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:02,166
with federal prosecutors        
 in Florida over similar crimes,

693
00:45:02,266 --> 00:45:04,668
  granting him immunity         
 after he pleaded guilty        

694
00:45:04,768 --> 00:45:06,637
   to a lesser charge.          

695
00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:10,240
   The US attorney who struck   
 that deal is Alexander Acosta. 

696
00:45:11,675 --> 00:45:14,845
  BROWN: At that point,         
  the media started in          
Washington asking Trump,        

697
00:45:14,945 --> 00:45:18,615
 "What's going to happen        
 with Alexander Acosta?"        

698
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:19,950
 Good afternoon.                

699
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:24,254
   And I remember that Acosta   
  did have a press conference.  

700
00:45:24,354 --> 00:45:28,592
 We believe that                
   we proceeded appropriately.  

701
00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:35,165
   There was value to           
getting a guilty plea and       
 having him registered.         

702
00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,134
 Thank you very much. Thank you.

703
00:45:39,136 --> 00:45:42,005
   BROWN: And I just remember   
listening to him,               

704
00:45:42,106 --> 00:45:45,075
thinking, "These                
are all excuses.                

705
00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:46,810
   "They don't work anymore."   

706
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:49,947
  And apparently it didn't work 

707
00:45:50,047 --> 00:45:54,284
because he then,                
 um, you know, resigned.        

708
00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:56,653
  And so I called the President 
  this morning.                 

709
00:45:56,754 --> 00:46:00,724
  I told him that I thought the 
 right thing was to step aside. 

710
00:46:00,824 --> 00:46:01,759
   (REPORTERS CLAMOUR)          

711
00:46:01,825 --> 00:46:03,427
FREEMAN: Finally, it seemed like
 the government                 

712
00:46:03,527 --> 00:46:05,496
   was actually taking          
 this seriously                 

713
00:46:10,667 --> 00:46:14,271
   by charging Epstein          
  with ssex trafficking.        
 And after that,                
other victims started to        
realise, "I'm not alone."       

714
00:46:17,541 --> 00:46:20,978
 RUBRIGHT: When he was arrested,
 a lot of us were happy         

715
00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:25,382
 that there was a second        
   chance for possibly          
  some actual justice,          

716
00:46:25,482 --> 00:46:28,519
  because what happened in 2008 
 wasn't justice                 

717
00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:30,654
 or him being held accountable. 

718
00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:33,423
   And at that point,           

719
00:46:33,524 --> 00:46:37,594
I reached out to the FBI        
  and I was like, uh...         

720
00:46:38,729 --> 00:46:40,631
  .."Here's another one         
of us," you know?               

721
00:46:40,731 --> 00:46:45,469
 Um, "And I-I want to be        
  a part of bringing him down." 

722
00:47:00,651 --> 00:47:02,786
KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein       
 was staying at                 

723
00:47:02,886 --> 00:47:04,788
   the rather notorious prison  

724
00:47:04,888 --> 00:47:08,625
where people await trial        
   on serious offences          

725
00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,794
in the Southern District        
  of New York.                  

726
00:47:12,796 --> 00:47:15,599
  MAN: The Metropolitan         
Correctional Centre in Manhattan

727
00:47:15,699 --> 00:47:18,235
  is an environment completely  
   foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.  

728
00:47:20,938 --> 00:47:22,706
   The conditions were filthy.  

729
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:28,145
  Rodents, cockroaches          
   all over the place.          
I agreed to represent him       

730
00:47:28,245 --> 00:47:30,247
   and I met with him.          

731
00:47:31,415 --> 00:47:33,517
  But just before that,         
 there was this incident        

732
00:47:33,617 --> 00:47:35,185
 in which there was a suggestion

733
00:47:35,285 --> 00:47:36,720
that he tried to commit suicide.

734
00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:40,257
 REPORTER: The multi-millionaire
   and convicted sex offender   

735
00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:44,728
is now on suicide               
watch after he was found        
injured in his jail cell.       

736
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:48,165
   SCHOEN: I met with Jeffrey   
  Epstein on August 1st         

737
00:47:48,265 --> 00:47:49,933
  for about five or six hours.  

738
00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:53,470
  He denied that he had         
tried to commit suicide.        

739
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:56,907
 The story that he told         
 about what had happened        

740
00:47:57,007 --> 00:47:58,442
  was that the cellmate he had  

741
00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:00,277
   forced him                   
 to put a rope around his neck, 

742
00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:02,446
  something, and pulled it, um, 

743
00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,414
just to see the reaction        
   Epstein would have.          

744
00:48:06,283 --> 00:48:08,518
 But he told the                
  correctional officers         

745
00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:10,020
that he couldn't remember       
what had happened               

746
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,623
  because he was afraid         
 if he got that guy in trouble, 

747
00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:14,725
   that he would have           
trouble himself.                

748
00:48:16,193 --> 00:48:19,429
 TOBIN: How was Jeffrey         
   Epstein's mood that          
 day when you look back?        

749
00:48:19,529 --> 00:48:22,766
   Good. I mean, he, again, he  
 didn't like being in the jail. 

750
00:48:22,866 --> 00:48:25,802
 Um, but he was adamant         
about wanting to fight the case,

751
00:48:25,902 --> 00:48:27,437
  and he was energised          
 by our meeting.                

752
00:48:27,537 --> 00:48:29,606
   I think he thought           
 he had a strong legal argument,

753
00:48:29,706 --> 00:48:31,975
  for example, on the agreement 
that he had made                

754
00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:34,978
 that he felt would have        
 barred his prosecution.        

755
00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:38,148
  But nine days later,          

756
00:48:38,248 --> 00:48:40,450
   the last thing I would have  
 imagined at the time happened. 

757
00:48:44,021 --> 00:48:45,389
NEWSREADER: NBC News has learned

758
00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:49,092
that disgraced financier        
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.        

759
00:48:49,192 --> 00:48:51,094
  NEWSREADER 2: Sources         
telling ABC News                

760
00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:57,701
that accused sex                
   trafficker Jeffrey Epstein   
  has died by suicide.          
  MAN: It appeared that         
   he had hung himself          

761
00:48:57,801 --> 00:49:01,805
  We're trying to figure out if 
 he was still on suicide watch. 

762
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,541
  KLASFELD: It was astonishing. 

763
00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:10,180
  This is someone who is being  
 prosecuted for historic crimes.

764
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,816
   The world's                  
  attention is on this.         

765
00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:16,420
 How is this man                
allowed to turn up dead?        

766
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,502
 MAthat Jeffrey was found deadxt
from an apparent suicide.he news
 And at first, I had...         
  I had no reason to doubt it,  

767
00:49:32,602 --> 00:49:34,438
   because, you know,           
 he was in jail                 

768
00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:37,040
   and was facing a long time   
  in jail, potentially.         

769
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,776
 And I knew he wouldn't want to 
 live that way in jail.         

770
00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:41,545
 So, I had no reason to doubt it

771
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,647
   and I accepted that          
  he committed suicide.         

772
00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:46,516
  Anyway, the next day,         
 I had to come back to New York 

773
00:49:46,616 --> 00:49:48,151
  to identify his body.         

774
00:49:48,251 --> 00:49:49,786
   As a family member,          
 I had the right                

775
00:49:49,886 --> 00:49:52,022
   to have my own pathologist   
 at the autopsy.                

776
00:49:52,122 --> 00:49:54,524
  You know, just to see         
   everything was done right.   

777
00:49:55,926 --> 00:49:58,829
 I spoke to his brother,        
   I insisted that the          
 person I consider to be        

778
00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:00,731
  the top forensic pathologist  
  in the world                  

779
00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,567
 participate in                 
 an independent autopsy.        

780
00:50:04,768 --> 00:50:06,570
 So, his name is Michael Baden. 

781
00:50:08,038 --> 00:50:12,743
 I was medical examiner         
 for the New York State         
   Police for 25 years          

782
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:17,748
and did more than               
20,000 autopsies.               

783
00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:30,694
that was going to be done       
  the next day.end the autopsy  
   The history was that he was  
 found having committed suicide 

784
00:50:30,794 --> 00:50:33,563
  by hanging in his jail cell.  

785
00:50:35,298 --> 00:50:37,000
 When looking at                
   the body, there was          

786
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:41,104
  a little odd situation there  
   because the ligature furrow  

787
00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:44,174
 around the neck was horizontal.

788
00:50:45,308 --> 00:50:46,576
 In a suicidal hanging,         

789
00:50:46,676 --> 00:50:49,513
  the ligature mark is usually  

790
00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:52,382
  up the high part of the neck  
and goes upwards.               

791
00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:56,453
And then the moment of surprise,

792
00:50:56,553 --> 00:50:58,789
  there were three fractures -  

793
00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:01,091
  two of the thyroid cartilage, 

794
00:51:01,191 --> 00:51:03,293
   which is the Adam's apple,   

795
00:51:03,393 --> 00:51:07,464
   and one of the hyoid bone.   

796
00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:11,168
   In 50 years of doing this,   
  I've never seen that.         

797
00:51:11,268 --> 00:51:12,869
That's much more common,        

798
00:51:12,969 --> 00:51:17,674
   a crushing injury,           
  in a homicidal strangulation. 

799
00:51:17,774 --> 00:51:19,443
   So, I think, at that point,  

800
00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:24,481
 there was concern as to        
 whether it was suicide         
   as thought or not.           

801
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:29,619
 SCHOEN: So, the medical        
  examiner of New York          
 City, who conducted it,        

802
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,222
she said that it                
   was inconclusive -           

803
00:51:32,322 --> 00:51:33,690
she couldn't say it was suicide.

804
00:51:37,794 --> 00:51:40,397
BADEN: But then her boss,       
three or four days later,       

805
00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:42,899
 changed it to suicide.         

806
00:51:46,336 --> 00:51:49,673
 MARK EPSTEIN: And then,        
  OK, now all kinds of          
questions start coming up       

807
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:51,108
and wheels start turning.       

808
00:51:52,209 --> 00:51:53,643
  (HORN BLARES)                 

809
00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:57,514
Barbara Sampson,                
  the chief medical examiner -  

810
00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:59,483
and she was not at the autopsy -

811
00:51:59,583 --> 00:52:03,420
   and so she comes up          
 with the conclusion of         
 suicide based on what?         

812
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,189
  NEWSREADER: Tonight, Jeffrey  
 Epstein's attorneys questioning

813
00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:09,326
whether his death was a suicide,
  saying they will even         

814
00:52:09,426 --> 00:52:10,727
 pursue, quote:                 

815
00:52:18,668 --> 00:52:20,804
   And it turned out somehow,   
   magically,                   

816
00:52:20,904 --> 00:52:23,006
the cameras malfunctioned       
that day                        

817
00:52:23,106 --> 00:52:26,009
 or was in a place where        
the camera didn't reach.        

818
00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:29,713
 So, this is now a correctional 
 officer taking an inmate down. 

819
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:33,383
 This is supposed to be         
  Jeffrey Epstein now.          

820
00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:37,687
You're talking about August 9th,
 at almost 8:00 in the evening. 

821
00:52:37,787 --> 00:52:39,322
August 10th is when he was dead.

822
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:41,925
  Do you think it's suspicious  

823
00:52:42,025 --> 00:52:44,794
 that there's only this         
   one camera angle available?  

824
00:52:44,895 --> 00:52:46,963
   That that's the only image?  

825
00:52:47,063 --> 00:52:50,100
 If that's accurate, yes, I do, 
I think it's suspicious.        

826
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,671
   And, um, you might           
say coincidental that the       
   cameras are malfunctioning,  

827
00:52:54,771 --> 00:52:57,307
   you know, around that time,  
but pretty unbelievable.        

828
00:53:00,277 --> 00:53:03,213
  There were so many anomalies  
   that night.                  
His cellmate had been taken out,

829
00:53:03,313 --> 00:53:05,448
the guards were sleeping,       

830
00:53:05,549 --> 00:53:08,118
 the cameras were down.         

831
00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:12,022
 All of these mysterious        
  things fuelled a lot          
 of conspiracy theories.        

832
00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:14,057
   There's just no way          
  you can hang yourself         

833
00:53:14,157 --> 00:53:15,926
off of a bunk bed               
 at that height.                

834
00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:18,261
  I think we have found         
Jeffrey Epstein's killer.       

835
00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,530
And it's the most secure federal
  lockup in the United States,  

836
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:21,598
   and he got murdered in it.   

837
00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:23,166
  Who has the power to do that? 

838
00:53:27,404 --> 00:53:31,107
  I've been studying conspiracy 
 theories for 15 years.         

839
00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:35,045
 When I polled Americans        
  asking them what they         
thought about his death,        

840
00:53:35,145 --> 00:53:37,247
half the country                
  thought it was a conspiracy,  

841
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,023
   who were trying to cover up  
  ttheir involvement with him.  
   And you don't normally get,  

842
00:53:47,123 --> 00:53:50,560
 uh, conspiracy theories getting
   half the country to buy in.  

843
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,262
  Yeah, I don't believe         
 any conspiracy theory,         

844
00:53:52,362 --> 00:53:54,497
but the fact that               
  he wanted to fight this case, 

845
00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,033
uh, until the day               
 before he died,                

846
00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:59,703
um, says to me that it's        
 unlikely he committed suicide. 

847
00:54:02,305 --> 00:54:04,574
 MARK EPSTEIN: I believe        
he was murdered.                

848
00:54:04,674 --> 00:54:07,277
  And if they do a real         
 investigation and they         
talk to the right people,       

849
00:54:07,377 --> 00:54:10,013
  they could figure out         
what actually took place.       

850
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:15,919
   Do you believe that          
   Epstein committed suicide?   

851
00:54:16,019 --> 00:54:18,588
No. No, I just don't believe it.

852
00:54:18,688 --> 00:54:20,824
Um...no.                        

853
00:54:21,691 --> 00:54:25,061
 He had only been there         
  for a month.                  

854
00:54:26,296 --> 00:54:29,065
  I just think it was too soon  
 for him to throw in the towel. 

855
00:54:31,901 --> 00:54:33,937
   PHILLIPS: From the Jeffrey   
  Epstein that I knew,          

856
00:54:34,037 --> 00:54:36,973
   no, I don't think he killed  
 himself, I just don't.         

857
00:54:37,073 --> 00:54:39,709
 And I believe he always thought
 he was going to get out of it. 

858
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:43,747
   MAN: He knew that he wasn't  
  going to get the slap         
 on the wrist this time.        

859
00:54:43,847 --> 00:54:47,083
   Uh, very damaging documents  
  in the case came out,         

860
00:54:47,183 --> 00:54:50,186
two days before,                
  he changed his will.          

861
00:54:50,286 --> 00:54:53,757
  A lot of people think         
   he might have been killed,   

862
00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:56,293
 others think he killed himself.

863
00:54:56,393 --> 00:54:59,129
 LEVINE: I really think         
  he decided to take his life.  

864
00:54:59,229 --> 00:55:02,699
That was the last bit of control
  that he had.                  

865
00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:06,903
 BALTZ: When I heard about that,

866
00:55:07,003 --> 00:55:11,207
   I just...I was heartbroken   
for these girls.                

867
00:55:13,209 --> 00:55:15,045
   NEWSREADER: A federal judge  
has officially dismissed        

868
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,314
the criminal case               
against Jeffrey Epstein.        

869
00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:21,184
 BALTZ: They have never         
 gotten justice,                

870
00:55:21,284 --> 00:55:24,321
 and, you know,                 
they didn't deserve this.       

871
00:55:27,791 --> 00:55:31,828
  PHILLIPS: I was going         
 through my own feelings        
  in 2019 when he died.         

872
00:55:31,928 --> 00:55:33,997
 Uh, he was kind                
   of a mentor to me,           

873
00:55:34,097 --> 00:55:35,865
   but he was also my abuser.   

874
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:43,173
 Uand I wanted to know answers  
 about my life.ing time for me, 
  So I reached out at that time 
   to other survivors           

875
00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:45,342
  and called Virginia.          

876
00:55:46,276 --> 00:55:48,178
 I had my first                 
 conversation with her.         

877
00:55:49,713 --> 00:55:52,315
 There's just something         
   that she had in her          

878
00:55:52,415 --> 00:55:54,784
   that I looked up to          

879
00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:59,222
  and I really thought          
 was very brave.                

880
00:56:03,193 --> 00:56:06,096
   BALTZ: We are here           
 in Loxahatchee Groves,         

881
00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:09,099
  which is a rural part         
  of Palm Beach County,         

882
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:13,336
in which Virginia               
Roberts Giuffre grew up.        

883
00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:16,973
 Not terribly affluent.         

884
00:56:19,142 --> 00:56:21,177
GIUFFRE: I was recruited        
   at a very young age          

885
00:56:21,277 --> 00:56:26,049
 from Mar-a-Lago                
and entrapped in a world        
that I didn't understand,       

886
00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:28,251
 and I've been fighting         
  that very world to this day.  

887
00:56:28,351 --> 00:56:31,121
   And I won't stop fighting.   
I will never be silenced.       

888
00:56:32,655 --> 00:56:38,161
   BALTZ: And here we           
   have Mar-a-Lago, President   
   Trump's, uh, private club.   

889
00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:43,366
  Virginia Giuffre was          
 a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago, 

890
00:56:43,466 --> 00:56:47,570
  and Ghislaine Maxwell         
 used to go there for massages. 

891
00:56:49,606 --> 00:56:53,843
 Ghislaine Maxwell asked        
  her if she wanted to          
 learn to be a masseuse         

892
00:56:53,943 --> 00:56:56,179
 and to come to Epstein's house,

893
00:56:56,279 --> 00:56:59,516
   and that was where           
  she suffered the first abuse. 

894
00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:02,852
   LAWYER: Do you know          
Virginia Roberts?               

895
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,622
  So, she's... Say again, who?  

896
00:57:05,722 --> 00:57:06,990
Virginia Roberts.               

897
00:57:08,458 --> 00:57:09,325
Can you spell it?               

898
00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:13,196
Common spelling.                
Can you spell it for me, please?

899
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:17,534
 R-O-B-E-R-T-S.                 

900
00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:21,137
And, just for the record,       
 I can only spell it the        
 way that it was spelled        

901
00:57:21,237 --> 00:57:23,873
   in your flight logs          
   from your airplane.          

902
00:57:26,843 --> 00:57:29,712
Virginia Roberts Giuffre        
was instrumental                

903
00:57:29,813 --> 00:57:31,281
  in this story coming forward. 

904
00:57:31,381 --> 00:57:34,217
   She is the reason,           
 to a very large extent,        

905
00:57:34,317 --> 00:57:36,820
  that Jeffrey Epstein          
  and Ghislaine Maxwell         

906
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,354
  were even prosecuted,         

907
00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:41,958
  because of the trail,         
  of the public record          

908
00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:44,427
that she left in                
   her civil lawsuits.          

909
00:57:46,763 --> 00:57:51,167
 BROWN: Virginia Giuffre        
   was not only key in          
exposing Jeffrey Epstein,       

910
00:57:51,267 --> 00:57:54,838
you know, she named names       
of other people,                

911
00:57:54,938 --> 00:57:56,439
 such as Prince Andrew.         

912
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,176
NEWSREADER: Abuse               
  allegations that have         
been plaguing the Prince        

913
00:58:00,276 --> 00:58:04,113
 for years now laid bare        
on prime-time TV.               

914
00:58:04,214 --> 00:58:06,983
Virginia Roberts Giuffre        
  alleges Prince Andrew         

915
00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:11,087
first sexually abused her       
  at Ms Maxwell's London home.  

916
00:58:11,187 --> 00:58:12,889
   GIUFFRE: Ghislaine woke me   
   up in the morning and said,  

917
00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:14,390
   "You're gonna meet           
a prince today."                

918
00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:17,293
   I didn't know at that point  

919
00:58:17,393 --> 00:58:20,997
 that I was going to be         
   trafficked to that prince.   

920
00:58:21,097 --> 00:58:24,234
   And Ghislaine said,          
 "He's coming back to the house,

921
00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:28,104
  "and I want you to do for him 
what you do for Epstein."       

922
00:58:28,204 --> 00:58:30,840
 EMILY MAITLIS: One of Epstein's
  accusers, Virginia Roberts... 

923
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:33,343
Yeah. ..has made                
allegations against you.        

924
00:58:40,216 --> 00:58:42,619
   It's been six years now...   
  Yeah.                         

925
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,589
  ..since that famous, infamous 
  interview with Prince Andrew. 

926
00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,826
   Did you ever think           
 that you would still be        
  talking about it now?         

927
00:58:49,926 --> 00:58:53,630
  In a way, I wish the          
   whole conversation           
  had started earlier.          

928
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:59,068
You know, we knew when we did it
  that it had to be a document, 

929
00:58:59,168 --> 00:59:01,571
a public record,                
   in case it was ever useful.  

930
00:59:04,107 --> 00:59:06,509
   He was in the room           
 when I arrived.                

931
00:59:06,609 --> 00:59:09,279
 He looked ready for it.        

932
00:59:16,019 --> 00:59:22,058
  to kind of get it off         
   his chest, frankly.ng time   
  There is no good time         
to talk about Mr Epstein.       

933
00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:26,863
   My sense is that he thought  
   he was his own best weapon   

934
00:59:26,963 --> 00:59:29,299
   in terms of killing          
 the story dead.                

935
00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:32,969
  She says she met you in 2001, 

936
00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:35,638
   and she went on to           
have sex with you               

937
00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:39,809
 in a house in Belgravia        
 belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.

938
00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:41,477
 Didn't happen.                 

939
00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:43,646
  Do you remember her?          

940
00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:45,048
   No.                          

941
00:59:45,148 --> 00:59:47,784
   He tried to tell me          
that it was a fake photo.       

942
00:59:47,884 --> 00:59:53,156
 We can't be certain as         
to whether or not that's        
  my hand on-on-on her,         

943
00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:56,292
   uh, whatever it is,          
left...left side.               

944
00:59:56,392 --> 00:59:59,963
 He'd worked out his, um, alibi.

945
01:00:00,063 --> 01:00:06,135
  I'd taken Beatrice to         
a PizzaExpress in Woking.       

946
01:00:06,235 --> 01:00:08,638
  His team had thought          
it had gone pretty well.        

947
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:17,981
afNEWSREADER 2: One UKsedrince  
paper calling the Princeh       
  entitled and obtuse.          

948
01:00:18,081 --> 01:00:20,283
 NEWSREADER 3: Four days        
after Newsnight broadcast       

949
01:00:20,383 --> 01:00:23,653
   its interview with           
   Prince Andrew, he's          
 made this announcement.        

950
01:00:23,753 --> 01:00:26,623
"I have asked Her Majesty       
 if I may step back from        

951
01:00:26,723 --> 01:00:28,992
 "public duties                 
   for the foreseeable future,  

952
01:00:29,092 --> 01:00:31,194
   "and she has given           
her permission."                

953
01:00:31,294 --> 01:00:35,031
  BRYANT: The interview         
  that he gave the BBC,         

954
01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:38,434
  that was beyond disingenuous. 

955
01:00:39,736 --> 01:00:42,305
   He started his slow decline  

956
01:00:42,405 --> 01:00:46,242
   to ultimately being          
   stripped of his princehood.  

957
01:00:46,342 --> 01:00:49,679
And I think that that was       
the beginning of the end.       

958
01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:53,616
 It's...it's an eye for an eye, 
   a scar for a scar.           

959
01:00:57,053 --> 01:00:58,855
   No matter how much           
  I go through therapy,         

960
01:00:58,955 --> 01:01:02,425
 I'm embedded with scars        
 that will never leave me, ever.

961
01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:11,100
   KLASFELD: Virginia Giuffre   
was also instrumental to        

962
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,737
the downfall of the other       
person in that photograph       
  - Ghislaine Maxwell.          

963
01:01:16,773 --> 01:01:21,044
 In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was 
 sentenced to 20 years in prison

964
01:01:21,144 --> 01:01:23,112
   for sex trafficking          
and other crimes.               

965
01:01:26,616 --> 01:01:29,686
  But there was                 
a growing public outrage        

966
01:01:29,786 --> 01:01:34,390
  that she was the only         
   person to face consequences  
 in the Epstein scandal.        

967
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:36,826
   People were asking,          
  "What about the men?"         

968
01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:40,596
   No-one had brought charges,  

969
01:01:40,697 --> 01:01:45,334
 and this was across Republican 
 and Democratic administrations.

970
01:01:48,905 --> 01:01:53,176
 TOBIN: When and how did        
 concerns about Epstein's crimes

971
01:01:53,276 --> 01:01:57,113
start spilling over into        
   the territory of the public  

972
01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,215
really wanting to see the files?

973
01:01:59,315 --> 01:02:03,319
 Donald Trump really was the one
   who prompted that.           

974
01:02:06,656 --> 01:02:10,159
   Then he got to be embroiled  
 in it himself.                 

975
01:02:13,262 --> 01:02:14,897
  REPORTER: Donald Trump's name 
is all over these files.        

976
01:02:14,997 --> 01:02:17,266
  REPORTER 2: Flight logs show  
  Trump travelled on Epstein's  

977
01:02:17,366 --> 01:02:20,870
   private jet many more times  
  than prosecutors were aware.  

978
01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:27,276
LAWYER: Have you ever had       
 a personal relationship        
   with Donald Trump?           

979
01:02:28,578 --> 01:02:30,713
   What do you mean by          
  "personal relationship", sir? 

980
01:02:30,813 --> 01:02:33,950
  Have you socialised with him? 
Yes, sir.                       

981
01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,718
  Yes?                          
Yes, sir.                       

982
01:02:35,818 --> 01:02:38,621
Have you ever socialised        
with Donald Trump               

983
01:02:38,721 --> 01:02:43,760
   in the presence of females   
  under the age of 18?          

984
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:50,900
Though I'd like to answer       
 that question, at least today, 

985
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,268
 I'm going to have to assert my 

986
01:02:52,368 --> 01:02:55,304
   Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth  
 Amendment rights, sir.         

987
01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:59,976
   KLASFELD: It's indisputable  
 that Trump had                 

988
01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:03,112
 a long-term friendship         
  with Epstein.                 

989
01:03:03,212 --> 01:03:04,714
   He told the world about it.  

990
01:03:04,814 --> 01:03:08,317
   Do you still think Jeffrey   
   Epstein is a terrific guy?   

991
01:03:08,417 --> 01:03:10,653
Well, I knew him, like everybody
 in Palm Beach knew him.        

992
01:03:10,753 --> 01:03:12,255
 I mean, people                 
 in Palm Beach knew him.        

993
01:03:12,355 --> 01:03:14,223
 He was a fixture in Palm Beach.

994
01:03:14,323 --> 01:03:16,259
   KLASFELD: There was          
 the infamous interview         

995
01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:19,662
 where he called                
  Epstein a great guy,          

996
01:03:19,762 --> 01:03:22,532
 likes women "on                
   the younger side".           

997
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:27,036
Jeffrey Epstein's               
   50th birthday book in 2003   

998
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:31,174
has a drawing of                
  a nude female figure          

999
01:03:31,274 --> 01:03:32,642
with Trump's name on it.        

1000
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,478
 He denies that                 
   it's his signature,          

1001
01:03:35,578 --> 01:03:37,914
we have multiple                
   handwriting experts          

1002
01:03:38,014 --> 01:03:39,849
   saying that it is.           

1003
01:03:39,949 --> 01:03:41,717
  I don't do drawings.          

1004
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:43,452
I'm not a drawing person.       

1005
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:46,355
   KLASFELD: The fact           
that he had such a long,        

1006
01:03:46,455 --> 01:03:48,691
personal friendship with Epstein

1007
01:03:48,791 --> 01:03:50,693
 raises questions about         

1008
01:03:50,793 --> 01:03:53,629
   what he knew about           
  Epstein's behaviour.          

1009
01:03:53,729 --> 01:03:55,798
  I had a falling out with him  
a long time ago.                

1010
01:03:55,898 --> 01:03:59,468
I don't think I've spoken to him
  for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. 

1011
01:04:06,275 --> 01:04:11,581
 actually started becoming a big
 tproblem for President Trump?  
I think it became a problem soon
 after he assumed office again. 

1012
01:04:11,681 --> 01:04:14,050
We are going to drain the swamp,

1013
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:15,985
and we're going to do it        
once and for all.               

1014
01:04:21,824 --> 01:04:24,227
would you supportlection,       
 hreleasing the files?nt-blank, 
  Would you declassify          
   the Epstein files?           

1015
01:04:24,327 --> 01:04:26,362
  Yeah. Yeah, I would.          

1016
01:04:26,462 --> 01:04:30,233
USCINSKI: And many of the people
   around him, they said yes.   

1017
01:04:30,333 --> 01:04:32,235
  Seriously, we need to release 
the Epstein list.               

1018
01:04:32,335 --> 01:04:33,736
   That is an important thing.  

1019
01:04:42,278 --> 01:04:44,213
Hobut no-one on Epstein's list  
 has even been brought to light.
 So, this was a campaign promise

1020
01:04:44,313 --> 01:04:46,649
   that they had made           
  to their supporters.          

1021
01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:50,519
Ghislaine. Look into her father,
 Robert Maxwell.                

1022
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,189
All the answers are right there.
   Yeah. Because he was a spy.  

1023
01:04:53,289 --> 01:04:55,558
  Trump built a                 
 coalition of followers         

1024
01:04:55,658 --> 01:04:58,461
   who are very conspiratorial  
  in their world views          

1025
01:04:58,561 --> 01:05:02,131
and were already                
  Epstein conspiracy theorists. 

1026
01:05:03,165 --> 01:05:05,368
  You don't know that she's 16, 
   and she takes you in a room  

1027
01:05:05,468 --> 01:05:07,870
 and that room is filled        
 with cameras, that's...        

1028
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:09,739
   Blackmail.                   
  Yeah.                         

1029
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:14,410
 So, there were fantasies about 
 massive sex-trafficking rings, 

1030
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:16,913
  views about blackmail rings,  

1031
01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:18,514
and that Epstein was controlling

1032
01:05:18,614 --> 01:05:20,650
all sorts of rich               
  and powerful people.          

1033
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:22,885
 I believe very strongly        
   he was a spy, yes.           

1034
01:05:22,985 --> 01:05:24,654
  And who do you think          
   he was working for?          

1035
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,389
  The Israelis.                 

1036
01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:30,526
 USCINSKI: Trump cosied         
   up to QAnon, and it          
created a lore around him       

1037
01:05:30,626 --> 01:05:34,196
that he was bringing down       
  these evil, powerful people,  

1038
01:05:34,297 --> 01:05:36,933
'cause the establishment        
  was entirely corrupt          

1039
01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:39,235
 and he was the outsider        
who was going to come in        

1040
01:05:39,335 --> 01:05:40,770
  and drain the swamp.          

1041
01:05:48,711 --> 01:05:50,813
          So, early in          
  Trump's second term,          

1042
01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:58,621
  he appoints Pam Bondi         
  as Attorney-General,          
  and she runs with the Epstein 
story almost immediately.       

1043
01:06:01,223 --> 01:06:05,561
The DOJ may be releasingd Trump 
hasthe list of Jeffrey          
   Epstein's clients?           

1044
01:06:05,661 --> 01:06:08,464
 KLASFELD: In February of 2025, 

1045
01:06:08,564 --> 01:06:10,199
 Bondi goes out and says        

1046
01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:15,771
 that she has the Epstein files 
and the client list on her desk.

1047
01:06:21,544 --> 01:06:25,014
 That's been a directive        
  rby PreThen there's a         
  180-degree reversal.          

1048
01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:28,617
   There's the release          
of the July memo                

1049
01:06:28,718 --> 01:06:31,887
  from the FBI                  
 and the Department of Justice. 

1050
01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:34,724
 And the July memo says         
 an extraordinary thing.        

1051
01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:36,892
It says that there are more than

1052
01:06:36,993 --> 01:06:40,329
 a thousand survivors of        
Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,        

1053
01:06:40,429 --> 01:06:42,965
  and then says there's         
 nothing to investigate,        

1054
01:06:43,065 --> 01:06:45,267
   there's nothing to release,  

1055
01:06:45,368 --> 01:06:46,669
   turn the other way.          

1056
01:06:47,837 --> 01:06:49,905
There was, quote,               
 "No client list                

1057
01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:52,508
"or evidence that he blackmailed
   prominent figures,"          

1058
01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:55,044
   according to a memo          
 detailing the findings.        

1059
01:06:55,144 --> 01:06:58,714
The review also concluded       
  that Epstein died by suicide  

1060
01:06:58,814 --> 01:07:00,983
 while in custody at a Manhattan
 correctional facility.         

1061
01:07:01,083 --> 01:07:05,154
 That memo just sent shock waves
 throughout the American ether, 

1062
01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:08,691
  especially with the MAGA base 
  who was so invested.          

1063
01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:11,127
  All those videos are saying,  
  "Yeah, she's seen the videos, 

1064
01:07:11,227 --> 01:07:12,528
 "it's all coming out."         

1065
01:07:12,628 --> 01:07:14,697
 And then now it doesn't exist. 
  I mean, what? What?!          

1066
01:07:14,797 --> 01:07:17,299
   Joe, wanna check the tweet   
 that Elon just put out?        

1067
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,201
"Time to drop the               
really big bomb.                

1068
01:07:19,301 --> 01:07:21,504
"Donald Trump is                
  in the Epstein files.         

1069
01:07:21,604 --> 01:07:23,606
 "That's the real reason        
they have not been made public."

1070
01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,108
The Jeffrey Epstein case        
   has caused backlash          

1071
01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:27,276
 within President Trump's base, 

1072
01:07:27,343 --> 01:07:30,446
  fuelling conspiracy theories  
 that more details exist        

1073
01:07:30,546 --> 01:07:32,448
  but are being hidden          
from the public.                

1074
01:07:33,616 --> 01:07:35,384
   MAN: I'm not gonna           
play with these anymore.        

1075
01:07:35,484 --> 01:07:37,186
   MAGA hats are off.           

1076
01:07:44,293 --> 01:07:46,095
Burn, baby, burn.               

1077
01:07:46,195 --> 01:07:49,465
   And this is a great          
representation of               
  what's left of MAGA.          

1078
01:07:50,966 --> 01:07:54,236
  I think the President         
always felt like he could       
 control his MAGA base,         

1079
01:07:54,336 --> 01:07:55,738
but it's the influencers        

1080
01:07:55,838 --> 01:07:58,374
  who have also really          
  kept this story alive         

1081
01:07:58,474 --> 01:08:00,543
   and have been very           
critical of him.                

1082
01:08:00,643 --> 01:08:02,711
   We voted for Trump           
   because we wanted justice,   

1083
01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,648
  and justice involves          
  actually holding accountable  

1084
01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:07,516
the people who committed        
that wrongdoing.                

1085
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:20,463
It just continued and continued,

1086
01:08:20,563 --> 01:08:23,599
and the President himself       
 kept calling it a hoax.        

1087
01:08:23,699 --> 01:08:25,734
  Well, I haven't been          
overly interested in it.        

1088
01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:27,236
   You know, it's something...  

1089
01:08:27,336 --> 01:08:29,972
It's a hoax that's been built up
 way beyond proportion.         

1090
01:08:30,072 --> 01:08:32,675
   I know it's a hoax.          
   It's started by Democrats.   

1091
01:08:32,775 --> 01:08:34,276
 When you call something a hoax,

1092
01:08:34,376 --> 01:08:36,412
and yet people know that there's
 a tremendous amount of evidence

1093
01:08:36,512 --> 01:08:37,746
 out there that it's not a hoax,

1094
01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:40,616
   it makes them only want to   
   know more about it.          

1095
01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:42,518
NEWSREADER: The President       
writing on social media:        

1096
01:08:52,228 --> 01:08:53,896
 TRUMP: Some stupid Republicans 

1097
01:08:53,996 --> 01:08:56,365
 and foolish Republicans        
   fall into the net.           

1098
01:08:56,465 --> 01:08:58,033
   I call it the Epstein hoax.  

1099
01:09:01,904 --> 01:09:03,539
   Hello? Hi.                   
 Come on in. Hi.                

1100
01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:04,840
Marjorie.                       
   Yes, hello.                  

1101
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:07,176
  Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.          
Nice to meet you.               

1102
01:09:07,276 --> 01:09:10,846
  Nice to meet you, too. Grab a 
 seat under this big ball light.

1103
01:09:10,946 --> 01:09:12,548
   Yeah, that's quite a light.  
I know, isn't it?               

1104
01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:13,883
   Oh, my gosh. Yeah.           

1105
01:09:15,618 --> 01:09:19,054
 Do you think that these        
  supporters are losing         
 heart and losing trust         

1106
01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:22,458
 in President Trump now         
  because of the Epstein files? 

1107
01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:26,962
       MIt was a line in.       
   the sand for them.           

1108
01:09:27,062 --> 01:09:29,665
They couldn't understand        
it the same way I               
 couldn't understand it.        

1109
01:09:29,765 --> 01:09:31,534
   Why would he cover this up?  

1110
01:09:31,634 --> 01:09:33,869
   And that was, um...          

1111
01:09:35,371 --> 01:09:39,175
 That was something that        
none of us ever expected        
  from President Trump.         

1112
01:09:46,982 --> 01:09:50,619
I'm Rick Frazier,               
  and I presently live          
   in St Marys, Ohio.           

1113
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,354
 Mmm. It's good.                

1114
01:09:52,454 --> 01:09:54,056
   TOBIN: Mm. Strong?           
  Good coffee.                  

1115
01:10:00,529 --> 01:10:02,164
  I'm a front-row Joe,          
 to one of his rallies.         
 six days ahead of time         

1116
01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,033
 TRUMP: It's very quick,        
but it's brutal.                

1117
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:06,936
   I still worked hard to help  
  Trump, you know, get elected. 

1118
01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,871
 (CROWD CHEERS)                 

1119
01:10:08,971 --> 01:10:12,808
   But, to be honest with you,  
 it pisses me off that -        

1120
01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:14,376
  if I can use that language -  

1121
01:10:14,476 --> 01:10:16,845
that on one hand,               

1122
01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:20,115
we were promised                
  by the President that         
  this is gonna happen.         

1123
01:10:21,183 --> 01:10:22,651
Then, on the other hand,        

1124
01:10:22,751 --> 01:10:25,754
 he turns around                
  and it didn't happen.         

1125
01:10:25,854 --> 01:10:29,825
  I can't see why he...         
  who he's protecting.          

1126
01:10:29,925 --> 01:10:32,561
 I honestly, in my mind,        
   don't think he's involved.   

1127
01:10:32,661 --> 01:10:34,964
  You can be in                 
  pictures with anyone,         

1128
01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:38,100
 but until we got transparency, 
 how do we know?                

1129
01:10:44,373 --> 01:10:46,842
  NEWSREADER: There is          
   new pressure on the          
  Trump Administration          

1130
01:10:46,942 --> 01:10:49,979
  from Republicans looking into 
the Jeffrey Epstein case.       

1131
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:52,548
   DAVID PAKMAN: Donald Trump   
   is aimed at one of his own,  

1132
01:10:52,648 --> 01:10:55,417
 Republican congressman         
 Thomas Massie.                 

1133
01:10:55,517 --> 01:10:58,587
TRUMP: This moron Thomas Massie,

1134
01:10:58,687 --> 01:11:00,789
there's something               
 wrong with him.                

1135
01:11:05,728 --> 01:11:09,131
When did you first start        
   becoming concerned           

1136
01:11:09,231 --> 01:11:11,900
 about what's now known         
  as the Epstein files?         

1137
01:11:15,237 --> 01:11:17,640
 So, it started                 
   a couple years ago for me,   
   and it really came           
to the forefront                

1138
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,809
  when President Trump          
and people in his Cabinet       

1139
01:11:20,909 --> 01:11:23,646
promised that they were going to
  release these files.          

1140
01:11:23,746 --> 01:11:26,682
But none of them followed       
through on their promise,       

1141
01:11:26,782 --> 01:11:28,984
 which became suspicious to me. 

1142
01:11:30,185 --> 01:11:33,389
  My Democrat colleague         
   Ro Khanna, from California,  

1143
01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:35,724
cares about the victims,        

1144
01:11:35,824 --> 01:11:38,861
   and so I reached out to him  
and said,                       

1145
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:43,098
"Ro, um, if I do                
  a discharge petition,         

1146
01:11:43,198 --> 01:11:48,804
"do you think you               
 could get every single         
  Democrat to sign it?"         

1147
01:11:48,904 --> 01:11:51,707
   And he did deliver           
on that promise.                

1148
01:11:59,281 --> 01:12:01,884
 Nafor the release oftisan push 
  ithe Epstein files.as Massie  
People feel that                
the rich and the powerful       

1149
01:12:01,984 --> 01:12:04,186
 have been not held accountable,

1150
01:12:04,286 --> 01:12:06,322
 that they have                 
a different set of rules,       

1151
01:12:06,422 --> 01:12:08,824
  and that there may be         
 government officials involved. 

1152
01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:12,227
NEWSREADER: Thomas Massie       
 just filed a discharge petition

1153
01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:15,164
   to force this vote           
 on releasing the files.        

1154
01:12:15,264 --> 01:12:16,865
  That's something that         
  Speaker Mike Johnson          

1155
01:12:16,965 --> 01:12:18,934
has really been trying to avoid.

1156
01:12:19,034 --> 01:12:21,203
REPORTER: The White House       
 has warned Republicans         

1157
01:12:21,303 --> 01:12:22,871
not to side with Massie.        

1158
01:12:22,971 --> 01:12:25,474
   Even a White House official  
  telling reporters last night  

1159
01:12:25,574 --> 01:12:28,243
that this would be viewed       
 as an act of hostility.        

1160
01:12:33,349 --> 01:12:37,486
Well, I have a 98% voting record
   with the President,          

1161
01:12:37,586 --> 01:12:40,356
   was one of his most          
loyal defenders.                

1162
01:12:40,456 --> 01:12:44,026
 Marjorie Taylor Greene,        
  please come up. Come.         

1163
01:12:44,126 --> 01:12:46,462
CROWD: (CHANTS) MTG! MTG!       

1164
01:12:46,562 --> 01:12:47,996
Thank you, Mr President.        

1165
01:12:48,097 --> 01:12:52,134
Alright, Georgia, we know       
 what we're going to do in 2024.

1166
01:12:52,234 --> 01:12:56,238
   He was angry at me           
  for siding with Thomas Massie 

1167
01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:58,273
 and signing on                 
 the discharge petition.        

1168
01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,909
To me, it was a matter of       
 right and wrong                

1169
01:13:01,009 --> 01:13:02,778
and standing up for these women.

1170
01:13:02,878 --> 01:13:05,781
 The greatest president         
in United States history,       

1171
01:13:05,881 --> 01:13:08,250
Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?

1172
01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:11,520
  (CROWD ROARS)                 

1173
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:12,821
CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene,

1174
01:13:12,921 --> 01:13:14,890
she's the female version        
of Donald Trump.                

1175
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:17,025
She was full-blood MAGA.        

1176
01:13:17,126 --> 01:13:20,863
  So, for her to be one of the  
 people to stand up against him 

1177
01:13:20,963 --> 01:13:24,967
   is very significant          
  in American politics.         

1178
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,036
He was losing control of        
 the situation.                 

1179
01:13:29,905 --> 01:13:32,975
  TOBIN: When you sign          
that discharge petition,        

1180
01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:36,445
afterwards you took a phone call
  with President Trump.         

1181
01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:40,349
  He said that it was going to  
hurt people that he knew.       

1182
01:13:40,449 --> 01:13:41,784
  What people?                  

1183
01:13:41,884 --> 01:13:44,887
I don't know. I still don't know
that to this day.               

1184
01:13:44,987 --> 01:13:48,190
But the way he treated me       
and the names that he called me,

1185
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:51,393
   sent death threats upon me   
  and then my children.         

1186
01:13:51,493 --> 01:13:54,229
   (CROWD CHATTERS AND CHEERS)  

1187
01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,269
TAYLOR GREENE: This is my       
 fifth year in Congress         

1188
01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:02,604
 and this is the largest        
press conference                

1189
01:14:02,704 --> 01:14:05,073
  that I've seen since          
 I've been here.                

1190
01:14:05,174 --> 01:14:07,409
KLASFELD: As people like        
 Marjorie Taylor Greene         

1191
01:14:07,509 --> 01:14:11,346
started getting involved,       
  the snowball started rolling. 

1192
01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:13,816
 TAYLOR GREENE:                 
   This is not about politics,  

1193
01:14:13,916 --> 01:14:17,352
 this is a boiling point        
  in American history.          

1194
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,955
  KLASFELD: We see some         
 very effective advocacy        

1195
01:14:20,055 --> 01:14:22,357
on behalf of the                
   victims themselves.          

1196
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:25,160
   Why did he get away          
with it in 2008?                

1197
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:28,096
 Why was Jeffrey Epstein        
  so protected?                 

1198
01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:30,265
  Why was Maxwell the only one  
held accountable                

1199
01:14:30,365 --> 01:14:32,000
   when so many others          
 played a role?                 

1200
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,002
 Let the public know the truth. 

1201
01:14:35,337 --> 01:14:38,273
  WOMAN: I speak today not only 
 in service of my own recovery, 

1202
01:14:38,373 --> 01:14:42,344
but to honour the lives,        
   the courage and sacrifices   

1203
01:14:42,444 --> 01:14:44,847
   of Virginia Giuffre          

1204
01:14:44,947 --> 01:14:46,615
 and others who                 
   could not continue.          

1205
01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:52,354
   NEWSREADER: Victims          
  of the convicted sex          
offender Jeffrey Epstein        

1206
01:14:52,454 --> 01:14:54,756
have paid tribute               
   to Virginia Giuffre          

1207
01:14:54,857 --> 01:14:57,192
  at a rally in Washington, DC. 

1208
01:14:57,292 --> 01:15:00,062
  She took her own life         
   in April this year.          

1209
01:15:01,463 --> 01:15:03,799
   BALTZ: It made me very sad   
when she passed.                

1210
01:15:04,967 --> 01:15:08,837
  This sort of damage,          
  you can stuff it down         
  for years and years,          

1211
01:15:08,937 --> 01:15:11,306
 but the effects                
  will always catch up.         

1212
01:15:11,406 --> 01:15:14,376
Virginia said it                
   best, and I quote,           

1213
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:20,682
""Not until the justice,        
 system makes an example        
   out of these people          

1214
01:15:20,782 --> 01:15:22,551
   "with so-called privileges.  

1215
01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:24,786
 "I just call it money."        

1216
01:15:24,887 --> 01:15:26,088
 People believe her now.        

1217
01:15:27,089 --> 01:15:28,390
   I mean, she won...           

1218
01:15:29,558 --> 01:15:31,093
 ..in a sad way.                

1219
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:40,736
KHANNA: So we gather here       
   on the steps of the Capitol  

1220
01:15:40,836 --> 01:15:43,138
to confront these               
 corrupt forces.                

1221
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:49,711
  We know we have 212 Democrats 
  and we have four Republicans, 

1222
01:15:49,811 --> 01:15:51,480
 courageous Republicans.        

1223
01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:55,317
 The only supporters that I got 
   from my discharge petition   

1224
01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:58,453
on the Republican side of       
the aisle were all women.       

1225
01:15:58,554 --> 01:15:59,955
 Marjorie Taylor Greene,        

1226
01:16:00,055 --> 01:16:01,757
 Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace. 

1227
01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:07,296
  They were woken up at         
 5am in the morning with        
  the President saying,         

1228
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,131
"F this, F that.                

1229
01:16:09,231 --> 01:16:11,600
  "Get your effing name         
   off of this thing."          

1230
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:15,103
 But, to their credit, all three
  of those women stayed strong. 

1231
01:16:16,538 --> 01:16:19,908
   KLASFELD: There was a time   
when few believed               

1232
01:16:20,008 --> 01:16:24,580
that they would actually        
   be able to get the           
 passage of these files.        

1233
01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:28,884
  And it was only after         
  it became very clear          

1234
01:16:28,984 --> 01:16:31,286
  that Trump was going          
  to lose on this vote,         

1235
01:16:31,386 --> 01:16:35,390
  then finally                  
he claimed to support it.       

1236
01:16:36,558 --> 01:16:39,928
 We've done a great job,        
 and I hate to see that,        

1237
01:16:40,028 --> 01:16:43,398
uh, deflect from                
the great job we've done.       

1238
01:16:43,498 --> 01:16:45,634
   So I'm all for it.           

1239
01:16:45,734 --> 01:16:49,538
What eventually happened        
  was a nearly unanimous vote.  

1240
01:16:50,372 --> 01:16:55,110
The yeas are 427,               
the nays are one.               

1241
01:16:55,210 --> 01:16:56,878
   The bill is passed,          

1242
01:16:56,979 --> 01:17:01,083
 and without objection,         
the motion to reconsider        
  is laid on the table.         

1243
01:17:02,551 --> 01:17:04,486
  (CHEERING, APPLAUSE)          

1244
01:17:05,887 --> 01:17:09,791
Mr Speaker, today               
   is an extraordinary          
  day in this chamber.          

1245
01:17:09,891 --> 01:17:13,195
   This is about the powerless  

1246
01:17:13,295 --> 01:17:18,900
taking power away               
 from the very powerful.        

1247
01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:21,603
  When Trump backflipped on it, 

1248
01:17:21,703 --> 01:17:23,605
   the survivors won.           

1249
01:17:23,705 --> 01:17:27,843
 The Senate has passed the bill 
under unanimous consent!        

1250
01:17:27,943 --> 01:17:30,579
   (ALL CHEER)                  

1251
01:17:32,681 --> 01:17:34,383
REPORTER: The bill forces       
 the Justice Department         

1252
01:17:34,483 --> 01:17:37,719
 to release Epstein file        
documents within 30 days.       

1253
01:17:37,819 --> 01:17:40,389
   (ALL CHEER)                  

1254
01:17:57,773 --> 01:18:01,243
 Once the Epstein Files         
  Transparency Act became law,  

1255
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:04,680
 there was a deadline -         
 December 19th -                

1256
01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:06,581
 for the release of everything. 

1257
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,384
REPORTER: Deputy                
  Attorney-General Todd         
 Blanche says, however,         

1258
01:18:09,484 --> 01:18:12,387
 several hundred thousand pages 
 of records will be made public,

1259
01:18:12,487 --> 01:18:14,790
with more to come               
  in the coming weeks.          

1260
01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:15,891
Hundreds of thousands...        

1261
01:18:15,991 --> 01:18:17,459
  FRAZIER: I could sit at home  

1262
01:18:17,559 --> 01:18:19,428
   and just stay on the couch   
  and not be involved,          

1263
01:18:19,528 --> 01:18:23,298
   but being here is historic.  

1264
01:18:24,332 --> 01:18:26,334
   We got a few hours           
till we find out.               

1265
01:18:26,435 --> 01:18:28,937
   REPORTER: But we're talking  
 about a tonnage of information 

1266
01:18:29,037 --> 01:18:31,873
 that may take some time        
just to process.                

1267
01:18:31,973 --> 01:18:34,443
     The Justice Department     
  has now begun                 

1268
01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:37,379
         the release of         
   the Epstein files.           

1269
01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:45,087
  The first release was a blip  
  on the radar, not even that.  

1270
01:18:45,187 --> 01:18:47,456
   There was a picture          
of Bill Clinton.                

1271
01:18:47,556 --> 01:18:49,891
  There was very little         
   about Donald Trump.          

1272
01:18:49,991 --> 01:18:54,396
 It was widely regarded         
 to have few major revelations. 

1273
01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:59,267
 NEWSREADER: At least 550 pages 
  were fully redacted.          

1274
01:18:59,367 --> 01:19:01,269
  NEWSREADER 2: We have         
just a fraction right now       

1275
01:19:01,369 --> 01:19:03,004
  of what is believed to exist. 

1276
01:19:04,206 --> 01:19:05,440
   We haven't received          
  Pfull transparency,           
  failed, in our book.          

1277
01:19:10,212 --> 01:19:12,881
 and it's an incomplete         
  release of the files.         
  FRAZIER: That must be his...  
his prison cell.                

1278
01:19:12,981 --> 01:19:17,319
 I'm pretty disappointed        
since we were told transparency,

1279
01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:19,387
 and we're not really seeing it.

1280
01:19:32,734 --> 01:19:37,305
I dThey're flouting the spirit  
tgoand the letter of the law.   
  KLASFELD: People kept         
 trying to push for the         
  release of the files,         

1281
01:19:37,405 --> 01:19:39,641
  and six weeks later,          
all of a sudden,                

1282
01:19:39,741 --> 01:19:43,612
  3.5 million documents         
 hit the public.                

1283
01:19:45,847 --> 01:19:47,949
  NEWSREADER: 3 million         
   pages of documents,          

1284
01:19:48,049 --> 01:19:51,486
180,000 images and 2,000 videos.

1285
01:19:51,586 --> 01:19:53,622
   The latest release           
   of files related to          

1286
01:19:53,722 --> 01:19:56,124
 the paedophile                 
   Jeffrey Epstein is shocking  

1287
01:19:56,224 --> 01:19:58,493
  in its size and its content.  

1288
01:19:58,593 --> 01:20:01,463
  NEWSREADER 2: Of the 180,000  
images released,                

1289
01:20:01,563 --> 01:20:03,632
these pictures of               
   the King's brother           

1290
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,801
seem to be what everyone        
is talking about.               

1291
01:20:05,901 --> 01:20:09,871
NEWSREADER 3: Police are        
 assessing claims Andrew        
   Mountbatten-Windsor          

1292
01:20:14,676 --> 01:20:18,513
   shared confidential reports  
  with Jeffrey Epstein.         
   KLASFELD: All of a           
sudden, there are global        
investigations in Europe.       

1293
01:20:19,681 --> 01:20:21,383
   NEWSREADER: Active           
investigations are now under way

1294
01:20:21,483 --> 01:20:23,485
in at least 10 countries.       

1295
01:20:30,125 --> 01:20:32,260
   NEWSREADER: In Europe, the   
 former prime minister of Norway
  in a search of any potential  
 invictims from that country.   

1296
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,763
has been charged                
 with gross corruption.         

1297
01:20:40,402 --> 01:20:42,370
would investigateoland's prime  
 pothe convand Russianffenderry 
 intelligence services.         

1298
01:20:43,338 --> 01:20:46,274
  KLASFELD: The                 
 people who maintained a        
friendship with Epstein,        

1299
01:20:46,374 --> 01:20:48,310
   communications that          
they thought were private       

1300
01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:52,347
are now filling the pages       
 of newspapers internationally. 

1301
01:20:53,982 --> 01:20:56,518
  JESSE WEBER: My gosh,         
 was this embarrassing?         

1302
01:20:56,618 --> 01:20:58,386
 Can we start with Peter Attia? 

1303
01:21:08,196 --> 01:21:10,799
 CHRIS KENNY: Good Lord,        
  another very prominent person 

1304
01:21:10,899 --> 01:21:13,235
  caught up in all this         
is Bill Gates, of course.       

1305
01:21:13,335 --> 01:21:14,970
Claims that he picked up        

1306
01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:18,240
 a sexually transmitted disease 
  from a Russian woman.         

1307
01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:20,475
   He's denied that publicly.   

1308
01:21:20,575 --> 01:21:22,844
   WEBER: We have this footage  
   where Steve Bannon           

1309
01:21:22,944 --> 01:21:27,382
 is interviewing Epstein to try 
to rehabilitate Epstein's image.

1310
01:21:27,482 --> 01:21:29,317
At the same time,               
 people are making sense        

1311
01:21:29,417 --> 01:21:31,019
of the 3.5 million files,       

1312
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:35,690
there's Congress, who is        
 continuing to investigate this 

1313
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:38,026
and continuing to               
 call witnesses,                

1314
01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:39,961
 including the Attorney-General.

1315
01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:46,701
  NEWSREADER: Alright, getting  
   back to our breaking news,   

1316
01:21:46,801 --> 01:21:48,870
   Attorney-General Pam Bondi   
is set to testify               

1317
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:51,806
   before the House Judiciary   
  Committee at any moment now.  

1318
01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:54,175
   NEWSREADER 2: Survivors say  
  their identities were exposed 

1319
01:21:54,276 --> 01:21:56,011
because of inadequate redaction.

1320
01:21:57,946 --> 01:21:59,848
PHILLIPS: Well, right now, we're
  heading over to the Capitol.  

1321
01:21:59,948 --> 01:22:04,452
  I have a meeting with         
 Congressman Lou Correa.        

1322
01:22:04,552 --> 01:22:08,757
  After that, we'll be heading  
  over to Pam Bondi's hearing.  

1323
01:22:18,533 --> 01:22:20,435
We have Congress                
  working on our side,          

1324
01:22:20,535 --> 01:22:23,038
and, you know, they want answers
 just as much as we do.         

1325
01:22:24,706 --> 01:22:26,942
  Hi. Nice to meet you.         
   Hi.                          

1326
01:22:27,042 --> 01:22:29,244
   Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you.  
  Pleasure meeting you.         

1327
01:22:29,344 --> 01:22:31,446
  Come on in. We have a         
camera guy following us.        

1328
01:22:31,546 --> 01:22:33,882
Oh, my, I should                
   have put my tie on.          

1329
01:22:40,288 --> 01:22:42,324
 I wanna take a                 
  moment to acknowledge         

1330
01:22:42,424 --> 01:22:45,293
  the Epstein survivors         
   who are here today.          

1331
01:22:45,393 --> 01:22:48,596
I am deeply sorry               
  for what any victim,          

1332
01:22:48,697 --> 01:22:51,533
  any victim has been through.  

1333
01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:57,505
Attorney-General Bondi, will you
 turn to them now and apologise 

1334
01:22:57,605 --> 01:23:02,377
   for what your Department of  
  Justice has put them through  

1335
01:23:02,477 --> 01:23:05,547
   with the absolutely          
 unacceptable release of        

1336
01:23:05,647 --> 01:23:08,616
the Epstein files               
 and their information.         

1337
01:23:17,559 --> 01:23:21,196
 PHILLIPS: I was pretty         
  shocked that she just         
   didn't even turn her head,   

1338
01:23:21,296 --> 01:23:24,499
 just not even just a little bit
  just to acknowledge.          

1339
01:23:24,599 --> 01:23:26,334
   It doesn't even have to be   
   an apology,                  

1340
01:23:26,434 --> 01:23:28,436
   but to acknowledge           
   that we were there           

1341
01:23:28,536 --> 01:23:31,006
  and that we represent         
1,200 survivors.                

1342
01:23:33,475 --> 01:23:35,710
 To my right is an email        

1343
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:38,580
that was sent by                
the victims' lawyers to the DOJ.

1344
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,149
 It was a list of names         
 not to release.                

1345
01:23:41,249 --> 01:23:43,752
They released this email!       

1346
01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:48,189
   Literally the worst          
  thing you could do to         
 the survivors, you did.        

1347
01:23:48,289 --> 01:23:50,225
 And we know you touched        
  the document                  

1348
01:23:50,325 --> 01:23:51,860
  because you redacted          
   the lawyer's name,           

1349
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,095
  but you left                  
   the survivor's name there.   

1350
01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:57,332
 MAN: So, I really have         
   just one question for you.   

1351
01:23:57,432 --> 01:24:00,635
  How many of Epstein's         
 co-conspirators                
   have you indicted?           

1352
01:24:00,735 --> 01:24:04,672
  How many perpetrators         
   are you even investigating?  

1353
01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,275
 First, you showed a...         

1354
01:24:07,375 --> 01:24:09,377
  I find it...                  
   How many have you indicted?  

1355
01:24:09,477 --> 01:24:11,546
   Excuse me,                   
 I'm gonna answer the question. 

1356
01:24:11,646 --> 01:24:12,614
   Answer my question.          

1357
01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:13,882
  No, I'm gonna                 
   answer the question          

1358
01:24:13,982 --> 01:24:15,750
the way I want to answer        
  the question.                 

1359
01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:18,019
   No, you can answer           
  the question... Your          
theatrics are ridiculous.       

1360
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:19,220
  ..the way I asked it.         

1361
01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:25,994
 PHILLIPS: I really got to see, 
 like, in the flesh, in person, 

1362
01:24:26,094 --> 01:24:27,595
  like, wow...                  

1363
01:24:28,997 --> 01:24:32,867
..they really are               
 turning a blind eye to         
this for whatever reason.       

1364
01:24:32,967 --> 01:24:35,970
  And it only makes you         
 think that there's got         
to be a real reason why,        

1365
01:24:36,071 --> 01:24:37,138
 right?                         

1366
01:24:39,374 --> 01:24:42,911
 WOMAN: Madam Attorney-General, 
  will you meet with survivors  
   after this?                  

1367
01:24:43,011 --> 01:24:46,247
  MAN: You're a disgrace to the 
 legal profession and to women. 

1368
01:24:46,347 --> 01:24:49,617
  What a shame you are!         
Shameful person!                

1369
01:24:52,087 --> 01:24:54,956
TOBIN: Are you looking at       
  the reaction                  

1370
01:24:55,056 --> 01:24:57,692
  in Europe and the UK          
  and other parts of the world  

1371
01:24:57,792 --> 01:25:00,528
and scratching your head        
   with what's going on here?   

1372
01:25:00,628 --> 01:25:04,599
 Yes. And I see                 
 a different attitude overseas. 

1373
01:25:04,699 --> 01:25:08,503
        The untouchables        
   are touchable now.           

1374
01:25:09,237 --> 01:25:11,673
   Breaking news about          
   Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.  

1375
01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:15,376
   The BBC understands that he  
 has been arrested on suspicion 

1376
01:25:15,477 --> 01:25:17,579
 of misconduct in public office.

1377
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,814
   NEWSREADER: It comes weeks   
  after the Justice Department  

1378
01:25:19,914 --> 01:25:21,883
 released emails                
Andrew allegedly sent to        

1379
01:25:21,983 --> 01:25:25,620
  the late sex offender         
Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.       

1380
01:25:32,794 --> 01:25:33,928
  we'd always imagined          
that it could come to this place
  and he was arrested,          

1381
01:25:34,028 --> 01:25:36,798
and I still found myself        
  absolutely speechless         

1382
01:25:36,898 --> 01:25:38,800
 for the first couple of hours. 

1383
01:25:41,736 --> 01:25:43,471
 NEWSREADER: Andrew was serving 
as a UKand appears to have time,
forwarded Epstein               

1384
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,443
  British government documents  
on trade policy.                
But this wasn't the story       
 that we were following at all, 

1385
01:25:48,543 --> 01:25:50,211
   this was something           
  completely different.         

1386
01:25:50,311 --> 01:25:54,449
   REPORTER: Now Peter          
 Mandelson, who was the         
UK ambassador to the US,        

1387
01:25:54,549 --> 01:25:56,217
   has also now been arrested.  

1388
01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:59,821
   And, you know, it's          
 fascinating to see how         
 far this chain will go.        

1389
01:25:59,921 --> 01:26:02,590
 We are probably                
   only at the very beginning.  

1390
01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:15,436
CEObut I haven't seenle         
 gany arrests or investigations 
here in the United States       
from this Department of Justice.

1391
01:26:16,571 --> 01:26:20,542
As an American journalist       
  looking at everything         
  happening in Europe,          

1392
01:26:20,642 --> 01:26:24,479
   this is how                  
 sophisticated democracies react

1393
01:26:24,579 --> 01:26:25,947
to alarming information -       

1394
01:26:26,047 --> 01:26:27,048
they investigate.               

1395
01:26:27,148 --> 01:26:29,784
 I have nothing to hide.        
  I've been exonerated.         

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I have nothing to do with       
Jeffrey Epstein.                

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   KLASFELD: What we're seeing  
 in the United States is        

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01:26:35,523 --> 01:26:37,859
   Trump's Justice Department   
  trying to say                 

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01:26:37,959 --> 01:26:40,028
  that there is                 
  nothing to see here.          

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01:26:40,128 --> 01:26:42,163
WEBER: Is there evidence        
  that Jeffrey Epstein          

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01:26:42,263 --> 01:26:45,400
  was trafficking girls         
 to other powerful men?         

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01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:48,703
   According to the Associated  
  Press's review of the files,  

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01:26:48,803 --> 01:26:50,271
the FBI says no.                

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01:26:52,073 --> 01:26:55,510
  In regards to the sex         
   trafficking and the abuse,   

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01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:57,845
do you personally               
know of evidence                

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01:26:57,946 --> 01:27:01,649
   that exists within           
   the Department of Justice,   

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01:27:01,749 --> 01:27:05,286
 within the FBI,                
   that has not come out yet?   

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01:27:05,386 --> 01:27:07,889
   I do. I do.                  

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01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:14,729
BALTZ: You know,                
  when you have different girls 

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telling the same stories,       
   corroborating each other...  

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01:27:19,968 --> 01:27:22,437
   ..that's powerful,           
really powerful.                

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 So, and again,                 

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   I think we have to believe   
  victims and survivors         
 of this sort of thing.         

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01:27:31,179 --> 01:27:34,782
I know of people                
  that girls were traded out to 

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01:27:34,882 --> 01:27:36,918
 that have not come out.        

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01:27:40,622 --> 01:27:42,657
 I tend to believe that         

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01:27:42,757 --> 01:27:45,126
   this story                   
 is going to outlive me         

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01:27:45,226 --> 01:27:48,529
because it's filled with        
   so many mysteries,           

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01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:50,031
things people don't know.       

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01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,737
 We don't know the depth        
  of the cover-up yet,          

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01:27:55,837 --> 01:28:01,776
  but I think this will         
eventually rank up there        
  with, uh, Watergate.          

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   CARLSON: Hopefully           
  the American public's         

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01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:06,281
going to continue               
to care about this story        

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01:28:06,381 --> 01:28:11,152
 and continue to demand         
 that we get all of the answers.

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01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,957
   We're done                   
  laying down and being quiet.  

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01:28:16,057 --> 01:28:17,925
 Now we're screaming in public. 

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01:28:20,228 --> 01:28:21,729
BANNON: It's a serious question.
   Oh, sorry.                   

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01:28:21,829 --> 01:28:23,998
  Do you think                  
you're the devil himself?       

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01:28:24,098 --> 01:28:25,633
  I don't know.                 
 Why would you say that?        

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01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:28,236
  Because you have all          
 the attributes. You're         
incredibly smart.               

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01:28:28,336 --> 01:28:29,937
   You remember, the devil...   
   Is the devil smart?          

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01:28:30,038 --> 01:28:32,774
 The devil's brilliant.         

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01:28:32,874 --> 01:28:35,610
SPENCER: Jeffrey Epstein        
  was the true epitome of evil. 

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01:28:35,710 --> 01:28:40,848
 Very polished,                 
  wealthy, well-spoken,         
  very intelligent man.         

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01:28:40,948 --> 01:28:44,218
 And he used all                
of that for evil.               

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01:28:46,854 --> 01:28:49,123
   MAITLIS: We do not           
  do this story justice         

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01:28:49,223 --> 01:28:51,426
   if we think                  
it starts and ends with Epstein.

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01:28:51,526 --> 01:28:52,660
  Of course it doesn't.         

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01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,797
 There is so much further to go.

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