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Nice to meet you.
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- Okay.
- Yes.
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[Sacha Baron Cohen] In Borat
Subsequent Moviefilm,
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I lived with two
conspiracy theorists,
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in character, for several days.
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- Vaccines.
- Bill Gates.
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- Mail-in ballots.
- Chinese virus.
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- Drink their blood.
- Not nice.
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[Sacha] The myths
and misinformation
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they shared with Borat
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fuel a dangerous rhetoric
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that is tearing apart societies
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in front of our eyes.
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In this series of episodes,
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we'll introduce Jim and Jerry
to world-leading experts,
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doctors and academics,
who will address
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some of the most dangerous
conspiracies head-on
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and debunk them face-to-face.
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Hello, Jim and Jerry.
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This is Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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[Jim] You know
these pallets of bricks
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that are being thrown
at the cops?
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- Yeah.
- Do you know who owns that?
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- Bill Gates.
- [Jerry] Yeah.
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Bill Gates makes gates?
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He makes bricks.
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[narrator] In 2020, during
Black Lives Matter protests,
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photos circulated
on social media
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of conspicuous pallets of bricks
in protest areas.
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The posts, a warning
to fellow protesters,
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suggested that the bricks
had been placed by police
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to incite violence
and property destruction
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as a way to increase arrests.
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However, after the story
of a Dallas police horse
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getting hit with a brick
got picked up
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by the conservative news site
Breitbart,
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it began to circulate
more widely.
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At that point,
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the narrative switched
from Black lives to blue lives.
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Infamous conspiracy theorist
Alex Jones distorted the story,
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again online,
laying the blame at the feet
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of a building supplier
Acme Brick,
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a small company in the portfolio
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of Warren Buffett's
Berkshire Hathaway.
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A former board member of
Berkshire Hathaway, Bill Gates.
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This created the conspiracy
theory that anarchists
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were being funded by Gates
to spur violence
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at Black Lives Matter
protests around the U.S.
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Aspects of this conspiracy
theory were even shared
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by the NYPD
and Trump's White House.
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[Mutale Nkonde] Hey,
Jim and Jerry.
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How are you?
I feel like I know you two.
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It's good to meet youse.
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Nice to be able to sit here
and talk to you.
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In my work, I try to describe it
to people
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as being, like,
an Internet detective.
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[newswoman] Mutale Nkonde
is a fellow
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at the Berkman Kleine Center
at Harvard.
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[Mutale] We have been looking
at how platform companies
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allow their recommendation
algorithms
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to spread disinformation.
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I haven't really seen much
protesting in person, myself.
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What I have seen on TV
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has shown a lot of violence.
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[Mutale] I saw crazy things
looking down
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these social media rabbit holes.
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Everything like huge violence
through to bricks
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- to all kinds of...
- I heard that, too.
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Pallets of bricks? Is that
what you're talking about?
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Get this, pile of bricks
literally being stationed
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near the sites of where
these protests and riots
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ultimately become.
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They're staging it.
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[newsman] I mean, you have
these piles of bricks and rocks
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showing up near the various
protest sites,
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leading many to assume
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the bricks were planted
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by outside agitators
specifically to stir up trouble.
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Most cities have piles of bricks
laying around,
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and particularly
in the pandemic,
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construction had been stopped.
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[man] Just some
random-ass bricks, bruh.
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[newswoman] And these?
Not so random.
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Video evidence shows
they were there
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before George Floyd was killed.
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[Joan] But because you saw
this image of the bricks
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in different cities,
there was, uh, almost
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like an urban legend
around them.
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[man 2] I don't know, man, that,
that don't look right to me.
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[Andrew Marantz] For
conspiracy theorists,
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when you see an image online
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of a bunch of bricks
on a street corner,
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instead of thinking,
"I don't know what that is.
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Maybe that picture was taken
two years ago..."
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[newsman] This pile
of bricks in Dallas, Texas.
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Google Street View captures
from February this year
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show the same pile,
again, before the protests.
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[Andrew] ...instead of thinking
about innocent explanations,
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you think "Somebody is trying
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to mess with us, and that
somebody is probably
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some outside interloper
like Bill Gates."
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Ladies and gentlemen, we've now
discovered who is delivering
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bricks to more than 20 cities.
It's Acme Brick,
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owned by Berkshire Hathaway
and Bill Gates.
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There's no reason
to think that's true.
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Nobody has ever found
any evidence of that.
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It's when you have someone,
like Alex Jones,
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who does disinformation
for a living,
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the point is to shock you
and jolt you into attention.
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Who does Gates work for?
You bet... Satan.
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The Gates thing was, of course,
taking advantage of the fact
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that there was
a Gates conspiracy theory
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that was gaining a lot
of momentum and shares online.
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So, again, you see
the opportunistic nature
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of conspiracism, which latches
onto that which is current.
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Some of the information about,
kind of, like, Bill Gates,
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you know, with the bricks.
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I would probably feel
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like that he's got quite a bit
to do with it.
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But that was supposed to be
antifa. Wasn't it?
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It was given to anti... or...
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Antifa were the ones that were
supposed to have done that.
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But I don't know
if that's true or not.
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Luckily, for us, as a country,
it turned out not to be true.
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The one truth
about that conspiracy theory
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is that there were
bricks present.
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They weren't there specifically
for one side or another.
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But the fact
that they were there,
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that has allowed
for the spreading of lies.
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I don't know if you all heard,
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but there was a great study
that came out
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that showed that 93%
of the protests
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were peaceful.
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In my opinion, I don't know
how true that is.
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I'm not, like I said, if it's
CNN, Fox, or whoever it is,
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I've seen it on several
different news channels.
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It showed burning
and people jumping on people,
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beating the hell out of them.
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This is supposed
to be a protest.
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This isn't a protest.
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Conspiracy theorists say,
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"Whoever benefits from an event
must have caused it."
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Let's say, if the police
benefit from an event,
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they must have caused it.
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Or if the Black Lives Matter
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are fired up by an event,
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they must have caused it.
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If they're going to tell
the stories,
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they need to tell it
on all of them.
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Don't pick and choose
what you want to do.
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Tell all of it. Show all of it.
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Absolutely.
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I wish you both the best.
It was nice to meet you.
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You, too.
It was nice to meet you.
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It was good to meet you,
and it was a good talk with you.
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[Jim] I'll see you on the
Internet sometime. I'm sure.
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Yeah, you will.
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