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Inside Job (2010)
Retail OCR with Foreign Parts.
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NARRATOR:
Iceland is a stable democracy
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with a high standard of living,
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and, until recently,
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extremely low unemployment
and government debt.
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We had the complete infrastructure
of a modern society.
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Clean energy, food production.
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Fisheries with a quota system
to manage them.
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Good healthcare, education,
clean air.
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Not much crime.
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It's a good place for families to live.
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We had almost
end-of-history status.
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But in 2000, Iceland's government
began a broad policy of deregulation
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that would have
disastrous consequences,
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first for the environment
and then for the economy.
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They started by allowing multinational
corporations like Alcoa
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to build giant
aluminum-smelting plants
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and exploit Iceland's geothermal
and hydroelectric energy sources.
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Many of the most beautiful areas
in the highlands
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with the most spectacular colors
are geothermal.
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So nothing comes
without consequence.
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NARRATOR:
At the same time,
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the government privatized
Iceland's three largest banks.
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The result was one of
the purest experiments
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in financial deregulation
ever conducted.
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(SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
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(CROWDS SHOUTING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
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We have had enough.
How could all of this happen?
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Finance took over and more
or less wrecked the place.
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In a five-year period,
these three tiny banks,
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which had never operated
outside of Iceland,
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borrowed 120 billion dollars,
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10 times the size
of Iceland's economy.
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The bankers showered money
on themselves,
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each other, and their friends.
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ZOEGA:
There was a massive bubble.
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Stock prices went up
by a factor of nine.
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House prices more than doubled.
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He borrowed billions to buy up
high-end retail businesses in London.
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He also bought
a pinstriped private jet,
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a 40-million-dollar yacht
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and a Manhattan penthouse.
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MAGNASON: Newspapers
always had the headline:
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This millionaire bought
this company
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in the U.K. Or in Finland
or in France or wherever,
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instead of saying:
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"This millionaire took
a billion-dollar loan
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to buy this company,
and he took it from your local bank."
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ZOEGA: The banks set
up money market funds,
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and the banks advised
deposit-holders to withdraw money
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and put them
in the money market funds.
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The Ponzi scheme needed
everything it could.
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NARRATOR: American
accounting firms like KPMG
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audited the Icelandic banks
and investment firms
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and found nothing wrong.
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And American credit-rating agencies
said Iceland was wonderful.
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In February 2007,
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the rating agency upgraded the banks to
the highest possible rate, triple-A.
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It went so far as the government here
traveling with the bankers
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as a PR show.
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When Iceland's banks collapsed
at the end of 2008,
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unemployment tripled
in six months.
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ZOEGA: There is nobody
unaffected in Iceland.
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INTERVIEWER:
A lot of people lost their savings.
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Yes, that's the case.
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NARRATOR: Government regulators who
should've been protecting the citizens
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had done nothing.
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You have two lawyers from
the regulator going down to a bank
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to talk about some issue.
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When they approach the bank,
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they would see 19 SUVs
outside the bank.
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You enter the bank,
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and you have the 19 lawyers
sitting in front of you, right,
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very well prepared,
ready to kill any argument you make.
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And then, if you do really well,
they'll offer you a job.
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One-third of Iceland's
financial regulators
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went to work for the banks.
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But this is
a universal problem, huh?
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In New York,
you have the same problem, right?
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(PETER GABRIEL'S "BIG TIME" PLAYS)
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INTERVIEWER: What do you think of
Wall Street incomes these days?
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Excessive.
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INTERVIEWER: I've been told it's
extremely difficult for the IMF
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to criticize the United States.
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I wouldn't say that.
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We deeply regret our breaches
of U.S. Law.
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MAN: They're amazed at how much
cocaine these Wall Streeters can use
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and get up
and go to work the next day.
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I didn't know
what credit default swaps are.
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I'm a little bit old-fashioned.
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INTERVIEWER: Has Larry Summers
ever expressed remorse?
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I don't hear confessions.
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MAN: The government's
just writing checks.
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That's plan A, that's plan B
and that's plan C.
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INTERVIEWER: Would you support
legal controls on executive pay?
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I would not.
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INTERVIEWER: Are you
comfortable with the
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level of compensation
in financial services?
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If they've earned it,
yes, I am.
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Do you think they've earned it?
I think so.
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INTERVIEWER: And so you've helped
these people blow the world up?
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You could say that.
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They were having massive
private gains at public loss.
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MAN: When you think you can
create something out of nothing
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it's difficult to resist.
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WOMAN: I'm concerned people
want to go back to the old way,
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the way they were operating
prior to the crisis.
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I was getting a lot of anonymous
e-mails from bankers saying:
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"You can't quote me,
but I'm really concerned."
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INTERVIEWER:
Why do you think there isn't
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a more systematic investigation
being undertaken?
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Because then
you'll find the culprits.
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INTERVIEWER: You think
Columbia Business.
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School has any
conflict-of-interest problem?
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I don't see that we do.
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The regulators
didn't do their job.
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They had the power to do every case
that I made. They just didn't want to.
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MAN: Lehman Brothers, one
of the most venerable
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and biggest investment banks,
was forced to declare itself bankrupt.
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Another, Merrill Lynch,
was forced to sell itself today.
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World financial markets are way down,
following dramatic developments.
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(SPEAKING IN CHINESE)
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(MAN SPEAKING IN FRENCH)
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NARRATOR:
In September 2008,
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the bankruptcy of the U.S.
Investment bank Lehman Brothers
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and the collapse of the world's
largest insurance company, AIG,
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triggered a global crisis.
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MAN 1:
Fears gripped markets overnight.
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MAN 2:
Stocks fell off a cliff.
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The largest single point drop
in history.
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MAN 3:
Share prices continued to tumble
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in the aftermath
of the Lehman collapse.
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(CROWD SHOUTING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
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The result was a global recession,
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which cost the world
tens of trillions of dollars,
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rendered 30 million people
unemployed
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and doubled the national debt
of the United States.
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With the destruction
of equity and housing wealth,
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the destruction of income,
of jobs,
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50 million people globally could
end up below the poverty line again.
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This is just a hugely,
hugely expensive crisis.
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This crisis was not an accident.
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It was caused
by an out-of-control industry.
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Since the 1980s,
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the rise of the U.S. Financial sector
has led to a series
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of increasingly severe
financial crises.
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Each crisis has caused
more damage,
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while the industry has made
more and more money.
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NARRATOR:
After the Great Depression
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the United States had 40 years
of economic growth
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without a single financial crisis.
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The financial industry
was tightly regulated.
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Most regular banks
were local businesses
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prohibited from speculating
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with depositors' savings.
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Investment banks, which handled
stock and bond trading,
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were small, private partnerships.
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In the traditional
investment banking model,
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the partners put the money up,
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and they watch that money
very carefully.
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They wanted to live well,
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but they didn't want to bet the ranch
on anything.
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Paul Volcker served
in the Treasury Department
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and was chairman of the
Federal Reserve from 1979 to 1987.
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Before going into government,
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he was a financial economist
at Chase Manhattan Bank.
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When I left Chase
to go in the Treasury in 1969,
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my income was in the neighborhood
of $45,000 a year.
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INTERVIEWER:
Forty-five thousand dollars a year.
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Morgan Stanley, in 1972,
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had approximately
110 total personnel,
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one office,
and capital of 12 million dollars.
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Now Morgan Stanley
has 50,000 workers
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and has capital of several billion
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and has offices all over the world.
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In the 1980s,
the financial industry exploded.
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The investment banks
went public,
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giving them huge amounts
of stockholder money.
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People on Wall Street
started getting rich.
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I had a friend
who was a bond trader
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at Merrill Lynch in the 1970s.
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He had a job as a train conductor
at night
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because he had three kids
and couldn't support them
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on what a trader made.
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By 1986,
he was making millions of dollars
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and thought
it was because he was smart.
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The highest order of business
before the nation
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is to restore
our economic prosperity.
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NARRATOR: In 1981, President Ronald
Reagan chose as Treasury secretary
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the CEO of the investment bank
Merrill Lynch, Donald Regan.
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Wall Street and the president
see eye to eye.
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I've talked to leaders of Wall Street.
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They say, "We're behind
the president 100 percent."
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The Reagan administration,
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supported by economists
and financial lobbyists,
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started a 30-year period
of financial deregulation.
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In 1982,
the Reagan administration
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deregulated
savings-and-loan companies,
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allowing them to make risky
investments with depositors' money.
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By the end of the decade,
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hundreds of savings-and-loan
companies had failed.
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This crisis cost taxpayers
$ 124 billion
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and cost many people
their life savings.
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It may be the biggest bank heist
in our history.
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Thousands of executives went to jail
for looting their companies.
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One of the most extreme cases
was Charles Keating.
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MAN:
Mr. Keating, got a word?
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In 1985, when federal regulators
began investigating him,
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Keating hired an economist
named Alan Greenspan.
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In this letter to regulators,
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Greenspan praised Keating's
sound business plans and expertise
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and said he saw no risk in allowing
Keating to invest customers' money.
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Keating reportedly
paid Greenspan $40,000.
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Keating went to prison
shortly afterwards.
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As for Alan Greenspan,
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Reagan appointed him
chairman of America's central bank,
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the Federal Reserve.
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Greenspan was reappointed
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by presidents Clinton
and George W. Bush.
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During the Clinton administration,
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deregulation continued
under Greenspan
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and Treasury secretaries
Robert Rubin,
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the former CEO of the
investment bank Goldman Sachs,
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and Larry Summers,
a Harvard economics Professor.
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The financial sector,
Wall Street being powerful,
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having lobbies, lots of money,
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step by step,
captured the political system.
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Both on the Democratic
and the Republican side.
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NARRATOR: By the late 1990s, the
financial sector had consolidated
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into a few gigantic firms,
each of them so large
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that their failure could threaten
the whole system.
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And the Clinton administration
helped them grow even larger.
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In 1998,
Citicorp and Travelers merged
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to form Citigroup,
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the largest financial services
company in the world.
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The merger violated
the Glass-Steagall Act,
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a law passed
after the Great Depression,
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preventing banks
with consumer deposits
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from engaging in
risky investment-banking activities.
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It was illegal
to acquire Travelers.
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Greenspan said nothing.
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The Federal Reserve gave them
an exemption for a year,
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then they got the law passed.
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In 1999,
at the urging of Summers and Rubin,
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Congress passed
the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act,
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known to some
as the Citigroup Relief Act.
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It overturned Glass-Steagall
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and cleared the way
for future mergers.
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Why do you have big banks?
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Because banks like monopoly power,
lobbying power.
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Because banks know
that when they're too big,
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they will be bailed.
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Markets are inherently unstable.
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Or at least potentially unstable.
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An appropriate metaphor
is the oil tankers.
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They are very big,
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and therefore,
you have to put in compartments
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to prevent
the sloshing around of oil
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from capsizing the boat.
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The design of the boat
has to take that into account.
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And after the Depression,
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the regulations actually introduced
these very watertight compartments.
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And deregulation has led
to the end of compartmentalization.
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NARRATOR: The next crisis
came at the end of the '90s.
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The investment banks fueled
a massive bubble in Internet stocks,
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which was followed by a crash
in 2001
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that caused $5 trillion
in investment losses.
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The Securities and Exchange
Commission, the federal agency
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created during the Depression
to regulate investment banking,
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had done nothing.
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In the absence of meaningful
federal action,
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and given the clear failure
of self-regulation,
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it's become necessary for others
to step in
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and adopt the protections needed.
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Eliot Spitzer's investigation
revealed the investment banks
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promoted Internet companies
they knew would fail.
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Analysts were being paid based on
how much business they brought in.
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What they said publicly was quite
different from what they said privately.
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WOMAN: Infospace, given the
highest possible rating,
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dismissed by an analyst
as a "piece of junk."
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Excite, also highly rated,
called "such a piece of crap."
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The defense that was proffered
by many of the investment banks
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was not "you're wrong,"
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it was, "Everybody's doing it,
everybody knows it's going on."
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Nobody should rely
on these analysts anyway."
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In December, 2002,
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10 investment banks settled
the case for a total of $ 1.4 billion
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and promised
to change their ways.
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Scott Talbott is the chief lobbyist for
the Financial Services Roundtable,
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one of Washington's
most powerful groups,
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which represents nearly all of the
world's largest financial companies.
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INTERVIEWER: Are you comfortable with the
fact that several of your member companies
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have engaged
in large-scale criminal activity?
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L... You'll have to be specific.
Okay.
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And first of all, criminal activity
shouldn't be accepted, period.
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(BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE'S
"TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS" PLAYS)
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NARRATOR: Since deregulation began,
the world's biggest financial firms
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have been caught laundering
money, defrauding customers
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and cooking their books
again and again and again.
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Credit Suisse helped funnel money
for Iran's nuclear program
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and for Iran's
Aerospace Industries Organization,
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which builds ballistic missiles.
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Any information that would identify it
as Iranian would be removed.
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The bank was fined $536 million.
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Citibank helped funnel $ 100 million
of drug money out of Mexico.
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WOMAN: Did you comment
that she should, quote:
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"Lose any documents connected
with the account"?
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I said that in a kidding manner.
It was at the early stages of this.
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I did not mean it seriously.
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Between 1998 and 2003,
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Fannie Mae overstated it's earnings
by more than $ 10 billion.
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These accounting standards
are complex
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and require determinations
over which experts often disagree.
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CEO Franklin Raines, who used to be
President Clinton's budget director,
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received over $52 million
in bonuses.
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When UBS was caught helping
wealthy Americans evade taxes,
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they refused to cooperate
with the government.
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Would you be willing
to supply the names?
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If there's a treaty framework.
No treaty framework.
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You've agreed
you participated in a fraud.
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Hm.
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MAN: But while the companies
face unprecedented fines,
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the investment firms do not
have to admit any wrongdoing.
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When dealing with this many products,
this many customers, mistakes happen.
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INTERVIEWER: The financial
services industry
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seems to have a level
of criminality
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that is somewhat distinctive.
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You know, when was the last time
that Cisco
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or Intel or Google or Apple or IBM,
you know...?
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I agree about high-tech
versus financial services...
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So how come?
High-tech is a creative business
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where the value generation
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and income derives from
actually creating something new.
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NARRATOR:
Beginning in the 1990s,
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deregulation
and advances in technology
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led to an explosion of complex
financial products called derivatives.
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Economists and bankers
claimed they made markets safer.
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But instead,
they made them unstable.
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Since the end of the Cold War,
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a lot of former physicists,
mathematicians,
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decided to apply their skills,
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not on, you know,
Cold War technology,
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but on financial markets.
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And together
with investment bankers...
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INTERVIEWER:
Creating different weapons.
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Absolutely.
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You know, as Warren Buffett said,
weapons of mass destruction.
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Regulators, politicians,
business people
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did not take seriously
the threat of innovation
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on the stability
of the financial system.
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Using derivatives,
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bankers could gamble
on virtually anything.
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They could bet on the rise or fall
of oil prices,
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the bankruptcy of a company,
even the weather.
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By the late 1990s,
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derivatives were a 50-trillion-dollar
unregulated market.
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In 1998,
someone tried to regulate them.
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Brooksley Born graduated first
in her class at Stanford Law School
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and was the first woman
to edit a major law review.
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After running the derivatives practice
at Arnold & Porter,
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Born was appointed by Clinton
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to chair the Commodity Futures
Trading Commission,
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which oversaw
the derivatives market.
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GREENBERGER: Brooksley Born asked
me if I would come work with her.
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We decided that this was a serious,
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potentially destabilizing market.
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In May of 1998, the CFTC issued
a proposal to regulate derivatives.
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Clinton's Treasury Department
had an immediate response.
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I happened to go
into Brooksley's office,
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and she was just putting down
the receiver on her telephone,
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and the blood had drained
from her face.
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And she looked at me and said,
"That was Larry Summers."
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He had 13 bankers in his office.
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He conveyed it
in a very bullying fashion,
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sort of directing her to stop.
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Banks were now reliant for earnings
on these activities.
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And that led to a Titanic battle
to prevent this from being regulated.
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Shortly after the phone call
from Summers,
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Greenspan, Rubin,
and SEC chairman Arthur Levitt
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issued a joint statement
condemning Born
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and recommending legislation
to keep derivatives unregulated.
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Regulation of
derivatives transactions
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that are privately negotiated
by professionals is unnecessary.
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She was overruled, unfortunately.
First by the Clinton administration
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and then by the Congress.
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In 2000, Senator Phil Gramm took
a major role in getting a bill passed
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that pretty much exempted
derivatives from regulation.
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They are unifying markets,
reducing regulatory burden.
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I believe we need to do it.
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It is our very great hope
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that it will be possible
to move this year
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on legislation that,
in a suitable way
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goes to create legal certainty
for OTC derivatives.
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I wish to associate myself
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with all the remarks
of Secretary Summers.
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NARRATOR: In December of
2000, Congress passed
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the Commodity Futures
Modernization Act.
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Written with the help
of financial-industry lobbyists,
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it banned the regulation
of derivatives.
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After that, it was off to the races.
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Use of derivatives
and financial innovation
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exploded dramatically after 2000.
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MAN: So help me God.
So help me God.
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By the time George W. Bush
took office in 2001,
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the U.S. Financial sector
was vastly more profitable,
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concentrated and powerful
than ever before.
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Dominating this industry
were five investment banks,
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two financial conglomerates,
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three securities insurance
companies
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and three rating agencies.
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And linking them all together
was the securitization food chain.
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A new system
which connected trillions of dollars
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in mortgages and other loans
with investors all over the world.
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Thirty years ago, if you went
to get a loan for a home,
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the person lending you the money
expected you to pay him or her back.
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You got a loan from a lender
who wanted to be paid back.
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We've since developed securitization,
whereby people who make the loan
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are no longer at risk
if they fail to repay.
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In the old system, when a homeowner
paid their mortgage every month,
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the money went
to their local lender.
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And since mortgages took decades
to repay, lenders were careful.
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In the new system, lenders sold
mortgages to investment banks.
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The banks combined
thousands of mortgages and loans,
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including car loans, student loans,
and credit card debt,
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to create complex derivatives called
collateralized debt obligations,
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or CDOs.
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The investment banks then sold
the CDOs to investors.
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Now when homeowners paid
their mortgages,
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the money went to investors
all over the world.
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The investment banks
paid rating agencies
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to evaluate the CDOs,
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and many of them
were given a triple-A rating,
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which is the highest possible
investment grade.
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This made CDOs popular
with retirement funds,
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which could only purchase
highly rated securities.
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This system
was a ticking time bomb.
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Lenders didn't care anymore about
whether a borrower could repay,
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so they started making
riskier loans.
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The investment banks
didn't care either.
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The more CDOs they sold,
the higher their profits.
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And the rating agencies, which
were paid by the investment banks,
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had no liability if their ratings
of CDOs proved wrong.
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You weren't gonna be on the hook,
there weren't regulatory constraints.
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So it was a green light to just
pump out more and more loans.
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NARRATOR:
Between 2000 and 2003,
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the number of mortgage loans
made each year nearly quadrupled.
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Everybody in this
securitization food chain,
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from the very beginning
until the end,
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didn't care about
the quality of the mortgage.
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They were caring
about maximizing their volume
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and getting a fee out of it.
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In the early 2000s,
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there was a huge increase in the
riskiest loans, called subprime.
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When thousands of subprime loans
were combined to create CDOs,
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many of them still received
triple-A ratings.
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INTERVIEWER: Now, it would have been
possible to create derivative products
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that don't have these risks,
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that carry the equivalent
of deductibles,
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where there are limits on the risks
that can be taken on, and so forth.
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They didn't do that, did they?
They didn't.
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In retrospect,
they should've done.
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INTERVIEWER: So did these guys know
they were doing something dangerous?
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I think they did.
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All the incentives financial institutions
offered to their mortgage brokers
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were based on selling
the most profitable products,
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which were predatory loans.
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If they make more money,
that's where they'll put you.
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NARRATOR: Suddenly, hundreds
of billions of dollars a year
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were flowing through
the securitization chain.
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Since anyone could get
a mortgage,
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home purchases
and housing prices skyrocketed.
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The result was the biggest
financial bubble in history.
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Real estate is real.
They can see their asset.
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They can live in their asset.
They can rent out their asset.
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You had a huge boom in housing
that made no sense at all.
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The financing appetites
of the financial sector
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drove what everybody else did.
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Last time we had a housing bubble
was in the late '80s.
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In that case, the increase in home
price had been relatively minor.
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That housing bubble led
to a relatively severe recession.
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From 1996 until 2006,
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real home prices
effectively doubled.
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MAN: At $500 a ticket, they've come to
hear how to buy their very own piece
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of the American dream.
486
00:32:15,912 --> 00:32:20,076
Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns,
Lehman Brothers,
487
00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:23,048
Merrill Lynch were all in on this.
488
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:29,090
The subprime lending alone increased
from 30 billion a year in funding
489
00:32:29,259 --> 00:32:33,195
to over 600 billion a year
in 10 years.
490
00:32:33,363 --> 00:32:34,887
They knew what was happening.
491
00:32:35,265 --> 00:32:38,632
NARRATOR: Countrywide Financial,
the largest subprime lender,
492
00:32:38,802 --> 00:32:42,829
issued $97 billion worth of loans.
493
00:32:43,006 --> 00:32:47,568
It made over $ 11 billion in profits
as a result.
494
00:32:48,312 --> 00:32:51,645
On Wall Street,
annual cash bonuses spiked.
495
00:32:51,815 --> 00:32:53,305
Traders and CEOs
496
00:32:53,483 --> 00:32:56,179
became enormously wealthy
during the bubble.
497
00:32:56,353 --> 00:33:00,312
Lehman Brothers was a top
underwriter of subprime lending,
498
00:33:00,490 --> 00:33:02,720
and their CEO, Richard Fuld,
499
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,791
took home $485 million.
500
00:33:06,963 --> 00:33:10,228
On Wall Street,
this housing and credit bubble
501
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,927
was leading to hundreds
of billions of dollars of profits.
502
00:33:14,104 --> 00:33:17,540
You know, by 2006
about 40 percent of all profits
503
00:33:17,708 --> 00:33:21,804
of S&P 500 firms was coming
from financial institutions.
504
00:33:21,978 --> 00:33:24,139
It wasn't real profits or income.
505
00:33:24,314 --> 00:33:29,183
It was money created by the system
and booked as income.
506
00:33:29,353 --> 00:33:32,948
Two, three years down the road
there's a default, it's all wiped out.
507
00:33:33,123 --> 00:33:37,082
I think it was, in fact, in retrospect,
a great big national...
508
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:39,922
And not just national,
global Ponzi scheme.
509
00:33:40,664 --> 00:33:43,531
Through the Home Ownership
and Equity Protection Act,
510
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:46,362
the Federal Reserve board
had broad authority
511
00:33:46,536 --> 00:33:48,504
to regulate the mortgage industry.
512
00:33:48,671 --> 00:33:52,300
But Fed chairman Alan Greenspan
refused to use it.
513
00:33:52,475 --> 00:33:55,000
Alan Greenspan said,
"No, that's regulation.
514
00:33:55,177 --> 00:33:56,508
I don't believe in it."
515
00:33:56,679 --> 00:34:00,513
For 20 years, Robert Gnaizda
was the head of Greenlining,
516
00:34:00,683 --> 00:34:03,117
a powerful consumer
advocacy group.
517
00:34:03,285 --> 00:34:06,049
He met with Greenspan
on a regular basis.
518
00:34:06,222 --> 00:34:08,690
We gave him an example
of Countrywide
519
00:34:08,858 --> 00:34:13,921
and 150 different complex
adjustable-rate mortgages.
520
00:34:14,096 --> 00:34:16,929
He said,
"If you had a doctorate in math"
521
00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:19,795
you wouldn't be able
to understand them enough
522
00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:23,302
"to know which was good for you
and which wasn't."
523
00:34:23,706 --> 00:34:26,539
So we thought
he was gonna take action.
524
00:34:26,709 --> 00:34:28,939
But as the conversation continued,
525
00:34:29,111 --> 00:34:31,944
it was clear he was stuck
with his ideology.
526
00:34:32,114 --> 00:34:35,208
We met again
with Greenspan in '05.
527
00:34:35,384 --> 00:34:39,286
Often we met with him twice a year,
and never less than once a year.
528
00:34:39,455 --> 00:34:41,616
And he wouldn't change his mind.
529
00:34:46,695 --> 00:34:50,392
In this world
of global communications,
530
00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,591
the efficient movement
of capital
531
00:34:52,768 --> 00:34:56,465
is helping to create the greatest
prosperity in human history.
532
00:35:02,845 --> 00:35:06,713
A hundred and forty-six people were cut
from the SEC Enforcement Division?
533
00:35:06,882 --> 00:35:08,816
Is that what you also testified to?
534
00:35:08,984 --> 00:35:10,281
Yes.
535
00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:15,789
Yeah, I think there has been
a systematic gutting,
536
00:35:15,958 --> 00:35:18,552
or whatever you wanna call it,
of the agency
537
00:35:18,727 --> 00:35:21,821
and it's capability
through cutting back of staff.
538
00:35:21,997 --> 00:35:24,726
WELCH: The SEC Office
of Risk Management
539
00:35:24,899 --> 00:35:28,858
was reduced to a staff,
did you say, of one?
540
00:35:29,037 --> 00:35:33,167
TURNER: Yeah. When that gentleman would
go home, he could turn the lights out.
541
00:35:35,143 --> 00:35:38,340
NARRATOR: During the bubble, investment
banks were borrowing heavily
542
00:35:38,513 --> 00:35:42,313
to buy more loans
and create more CDOs.
543
00:35:43,117 --> 00:35:46,245
The ratio between borrowed money
and the banks' own money
544
00:35:46,421 --> 00:35:48,286
was called leverage.
545
00:35:48,456 --> 00:35:52,620
The more the banks borrowed,
the higher their leverage.
546
00:35:53,862 --> 00:35:58,356
In 2004, Henry Paulson,
the CEO of Goldman Sachs,
547
00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:02,799
helped lobby the SEC
to relax limits on leverage,
548
00:36:03,238 --> 00:36:07,072
allowing the banks
to sharply increase their borrowing.
549
00:36:07,242 --> 00:36:09,767
The SEC somehow decided
550
00:36:09,944 --> 00:36:13,311
to let investment banks
gamble a lot more.
551
00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:16,609
That was nuts. I don't know why
they did that, but they did.
552
00:36:23,324 --> 00:36:26,724
(GOLDSCHMID ON RECORDING) We've said these
are the big guys, and clearly that's true.
553
00:36:26,728 --> 00:36:32,394
But that means if anything goes wrong,
it's going to be an awfully big mess.
554
00:36:33,535 --> 00:36:36,305
NAZARETH: You are
dealing with the most
555
00:36:36,318 --> 00:36:39,098
highly sophisticated
financial institutions.
556
00:36:39,274 --> 00:36:43,074
CAMPOS: These are the firms that do
most of the derivative activity.
557
00:36:43,244 --> 00:36:46,680
We talked to some
as to what their comfort level was.
558
00:36:46,848 --> 00:36:51,842
NAZARETH: The firms actually thought
that the number was appropriate.
559
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:56,320
DONALDSON: The commissioners vote to
adopt the new rules as recommended.
560
00:36:56,491 --> 00:36:57,684
MAN: Yes.
WOMAN: Yes.
561
00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:01,862
DONALDSON: We do indeed. It's unanimous.
And we are adjourned.
562
00:37:04,698 --> 00:37:07,929
MAN: The degree of leverage
in the financial system
563
00:37:08,101 --> 00:37:10,626
became absolutely frightening.
564
00:37:10,804 --> 00:37:15,264
Investment banks leveraging
up to the level of 33-to-1.
565
00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:18,138
Which means that
a tiny 3-percent decrease
566
00:37:18,312 --> 00:37:21,645
in the value of their asset base
would leave them insolvent.
567
00:37:23,951 --> 00:37:27,216
NARRATOR: There was another ticking
time bomb in the financial system.
568
00:37:27,387 --> 00:37:30,652
AIG, the world's largest
insurance company,
569
00:37:30,824 --> 00:37:33,315
was selling huge quantities
of derivatives
570
00:37:33,493 --> 00:37:35,324
called credit default swaps.
571
00:37:37,264 --> 00:37:39,459
For investors who owned CDOs,
572
00:37:39,633 --> 00:37:43,160
credit default swaps worked
like an insurance policy.
573
00:37:43,337 --> 00:37:45,965
An investor who purchased
a credit default swap
574
00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:49,131
paid AIG a quarterly premium.
575
00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:51,072
If the CDO went bad,
576
00:37:51,244 --> 00:37:55,374
AIG promised to pay the investor
for their losses.
577
00:37:56,416 --> 00:37:58,350
But unlike regular insurance,
578
00:37:58,518 --> 00:38:02,113
speculators could also buy
credit default swaps from AIG
579
00:38:02,289 --> 00:38:05,884
in order to bet against CDOs
they didn't own.
580
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,454
In insurance, you can only
insure something you own.
581
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:12,690
Let's say you and I own property.
I own a house.
582
00:38:12,866 --> 00:38:15,232
I can only insure that house once.
583
00:38:15,402 --> 00:38:18,337
The derivatives universe
essentially enables anybody
584
00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,473
to actually insure that house.
585
00:38:20,641 --> 00:38:22,973
You could insure that,
somebody else could.
586
00:38:23,143 --> 00:38:25,202
So 50 people might insure
my house.
587
00:38:25,379 --> 00:38:28,109
So what happens is,
if my house burns down,
588
00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:32,114
the number of losses in the system
becomes proportionately larger.
589
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:35,449
Since credit default swaps
were unregulated,
590
00:38:35,621 --> 00:38:39,955
AIG didn't have to put aside
any money to cover potential losses.
591
00:38:40,126 --> 00:38:44,187
Instead, AIG paid it's employees
huge cash bonuses
592
00:38:44,363 --> 00:38:46,729
as soon as contracts
were signed.
593
00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:49,367
But if the CDOs later went bad,
594
00:38:49,535 --> 00:38:52,163
AIG would be on the hook.
595
00:38:52,338 --> 00:38:56,502
People were essentially being
rewarded for taking massive risks.
596
00:38:56,676 --> 00:39:00,510
In good times, they generate
short-term revenues and profits
597
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,113
and, therefore, bonuses.
598
00:39:02,281 --> 00:39:05,648
But that's gonna lead to the firm
to be bankrupt over time.
599
00:39:05,818 --> 00:39:08,309
That's a distorted system
of compensation.
600
00:39:09,055 --> 00:39:12,081
AIG's Financial Products division
in London
601
00:39:12,258 --> 00:39:16,627
issued $500 billion worth of credit
default swaps during the bubble,
602
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:21,789
many of them for CDOs
backed by subprime mortgages.
603
00:39:21,967 --> 00:39:24,401
The 400 employees at AIGFP
604
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:28,597
made $3.5 billion
between 2000 and 2007.
605
00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:32,105
Joseph Cassano,
the head of AIGFP,
606
00:39:32,278 --> 00:39:35,475
personally made $315 million.
607
00:39:35,648 --> 00:39:37,209
(CASSANO ON RECORDING)
It's hard for us,
608
00:39:37,216 --> 00:39:41,880
and without being flippant,
to even see a scenario
609
00:39:42,054 --> 00:39:44,352
within any kind of realm of reason
610
00:39:44,523 --> 00:39:49,426
that would see us losing one dollar
in any of those transactions.
611
00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:53,926
NARRATOR: In 2007, AIG's
auditors raised warnings.
612
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,193
One of them, Joseph St. Denis,
613
00:39:56,368 --> 00:39:59,997
resigned in protest after
Cassano repeatedly blocked him
614
00:40:00,172 --> 00:40:03,107
from investigating
AIGFP's accounting.
615
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:05,231
Let me tell you one
person that didn't get a
616
00:40:05,244 --> 00:40:07,210
bonus while everybody
else was getting bonuses.
617
00:40:07,378 --> 00:40:11,371
That was St. Denis. Mr. St. Denis
tried to alert the two of you
618
00:40:11,549 --> 00:40:14,211
to the fact you were running
into big problems.
619
00:40:14,753 --> 00:40:18,018
He quit in frustration,
and he didn't get a bonus.
620
00:40:18,389 --> 00:40:21,153
In 2005, Raghuram Rajan,
621
00:40:21,326 --> 00:40:24,818
then the chief economist
of the International Monetary Fund,
622
00:40:24,996 --> 00:40:27,624
delivered a paper
at the Jackson Hole symposium,
623
00:40:27,799 --> 00:40:30,461
the most elite banking conference
in the world.
624
00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:32,125
INTERVIEWER:
Who was in the audience?
625
00:40:32,303 --> 00:40:37,138
It was the central bankers
of the world,
626
00:40:37,308 --> 00:40:40,675
ranging from
Mr. Greenspan himself,
627
00:40:40,845 --> 00:40:42,039
Ben Bernanke
628
00:40:42,213 --> 00:40:43,339
Larry Summers.
629
00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:45,480
Tim Geithner was there.
630
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:47,618
The title of the paper
was essentially:
631
00:40:47,919 --> 00:40:51,514
"Is Financial Development
Making the World Riskier?"
632
00:40:51,689 --> 00:40:55,056
And the conclusion was, it is.
633
00:40:57,095 --> 00:40:59,825
Rajan's paper focused
on incentive structures
634
00:40:59,998 --> 00:41:04,230
that generated huge cash bonuses
based on short-term profits,
635
00:41:04,402 --> 00:41:07,667
but which imposed no penalties
for later losses.
636
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,774
Rajan argued that these incentives
encouraged bankers
637
00:41:10,942 --> 00:41:14,537
to take risks that might eventually
destroy their own firms
638
00:41:14,712 --> 00:41:17,943
or even the entire
financial system.
639
00:41:20,518 --> 00:41:24,750
It's very easy to generate
performance by taking on more risk.
640
00:41:24,923 --> 00:41:29,451
So what you need to do is compensate
for risk-adjusted performance.
641
00:41:29,627 --> 00:41:31,891
And that's where
all the bodies are buried.
642
00:41:32,063 --> 00:41:35,191
Rajan, you know,
hit the nail on the head.
643
00:41:35,366 --> 00:41:37,357
What he particularly said was:
644
00:41:37,535 --> 00:41:39,935
"You guys have claimed
you've found a way"
645
00:41:40,103 --> 00:41:42,571
to make more profits
with less risk.
646
00:41:42,739 --> 00:41:45,936
I say you've found a way
to make more profits with more risk.
647
00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:47,474
"There's a big difference."
648
00:41:47,644 --> 00:41:50,238
Summers was vocal.
649
00:41:50,581 --> 00:41:52,776
He basically thought
650
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:58,217
that I was criticizing the change
in the financial world
651
00:41:58,388 --> 00:42:01,687
and was worried about,
you know, regulation,
652
00:42:01,859 --> 00:42:03,884
which would reverse
this change.
653
00:42:04,061 --> 00:42:06,461
Essentially he accused me
of being a Luddite.
654
00:42:07,531 --> 00:42:11,092
He wanted to make sure
that we didn't bring in
655
00:42:11,268 --> 00:42:13,065
a whole new set of regulations
656
00:42:13,237 --> 00:42:15,728
to constrain the financial sector.
657
00:42:19,843 --> 00:42:23,973
You're gonna make an extra $2 million
a year, or $ 10 million a year,
658
00:42:24,147 --> 00:42:26,741
for putting your financial institution
at risk.
659
00:42:26,917 --> 00:42:29,044
Someone else pays the bill,
you don't.
660
00:42:29,219 --> 00:42:30,652
Would you make that bet?
661
00:42:30,821 --> 00:42:34,132
Most people on Wall Street said,
"Sure, I'd make that bet."
662
00:42:34,157 --> 00:42:36,148
(ACE FREHLE Y'S "NEW YORK GROOVE" PLAYS)
663
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,890
GNAIZDA:
It never was enough.
664
00:43:19,068 --> 00:43:22,333
They don't wanna own one home,
they wanna own five homes.
665
00:43:22,505 --> 00:43:25,303
And they wanna have
an expensive penthouse
666
00:43:25,474 --> 00:43:27,601
on Park Avenue.
667
00:43:28,177 --> 00:43:31,044
And they wanna have
their own private jet.
668
00:43:31,213 --> 00:43:34,080
INTERVIEWER: You think this
is an industry where high...?
669
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:36,480
Very high compensation levels
are justified?
670
00:43:36,652 --> 00:43:39,348
I think I would take caution,
or take heed,
671
00:43:39,522 --> 00:43:42,719
or take exception to your word
"very high." It's relative.
672
00:43:42,892 --> 00:43:45,258
You have a 14-million-dollar home
in Florida.
673
00:43:45,428 --> 00:43:48,329
You have a summer home
in Sun Valley, Idaho.
674
00:43:48,497 --> 00:43:51,933
An art collection filled
with million-dollar paintings.
675
00:43:52,101 --> 00:43:54,729
MAN: Richard Fuld never
appeared on the trading floor.
676
00:43:54,904 --> 00:43:57,202
There were art advisors there
all the time.
677
00:43:57,373 --> 00:43:58,965
He had a private elevator.
678
00:43:59,141 --> 00:44:01,701
He wanted to be disconnected.
679
00:44:01,877 --> 00:44:04,710
His elevator,
they hired technicians to program it
680
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,644
so that his driver would call in
in the morning
681
00:44:07,817 --> 00:44:09,944
and a security guard
would hold it.
682
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,579
There's only a three-second window
where he actually has to see people.
683
00:44:14,757 --> 00:44:17,783
And he hops into this elevator
and it goes straight to 31.
684
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,258
INTERVIEWER:
Lehman owned corporate jets.
685
00:44:20,429 --> 00:44:22,454
You know about this?
Yes.
686
00:44:22,631 --> 00:44:23,941
INTERVIEWER:
How many were there?
687
00:44:23,966 --> 00:44:26,628
MILLER: Well, there were
six, including the 767 s.
688
00:44:26,902 --> 00:44:28,563
They also had a helicopter.
689
00:44:28,738 --> 00:44:31,229
INTERVIEWER: Isn't that kind
of a lot of planes to have?
690
00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:36,078
We're dealing with
type-A personalities.
691
00:44:36,278 --> 00:44:38,508
And type-A personalities know
everything in the world.
692
00:44:38,681 --> 00:44:41,013
Banking became a pissing contest.
693
00:44:41,183 --> 00:44:43,447
"Mine's bigger than yours."
That kind of stuff.
694
00:44:43,619 --> 00:44:45,780
It was all men that ran it,
incidentally.
695
00:44:45,955 --> 00:44:49,947
Fifty-billion-dollar deals weren't large
enough, so we'd do 100-billion deals.
696
00:44:50,125 --> 00:44:52,958
These people are risk-takers.
They're impulsive.
697
00:44:58,433 --> 00:45:01,561
It's part of their behavior.
It's part of their personality.
698
00:45:01,736 --> 00:45:04,796
And that manifests
outside of work as well.
699
00:45:04,973 --> 00:45:07,498
It was quite typical
for the guys to go out
700
00:45:07,675 --> 00:45:09,666
to go to strip bars, to use drugs.
701
00:45:09,844 --> 00:45:12,642
I see a lot of cocaine use,
use of prostitution.
702
00:45:19,754 --> 00:45:22,086
Recently, neuroscientists
have done experiments
703
00:45:22,257 --> 00:45:27,217
where they've taken individuals
and put them into an MRI machine,
704
00:45:27,395 --> 00:45:31,661
and they have them play a game
where the prize is money.
705
00:45:31,833 --> 00:45:35,428
And they noticed that when
the subjects earn money,
706
00:45:35,603 --> 00:45:37,901
the part of the brain
that gets stimulated
707
00:45:38,073 --> 00:45:40,439
is the same part
that cocaine stimulates.
708
00:45:40,608 --> 00:45:44,271
JONATHAN: A lot of people feel that they
need to participate in that behavior
709
00:45:44,446 --> 00:45:46,880
to make it, to get promoted,
get recognized.
710
00:45:47,048 --> 00:45:50,108
NARRATOR: According to a Bloomberg
article, business entertainment
711
00:45:50,285 --> 00:45:53,618
represents 5 percent of revenue
for derivatives brokers
712
00:45:53,788 --> 00:45:58,122
and often includes strip clubs,
prostitution and drugs.
713
00:45:58,293 --> 00:46:01,956
A New York broker filed a lawsuit
in 2007 against his firm
714
00:46:02,530 --> 00:46:07,331
alleging he was required to retain
prostitutes to entertain traders.
715
00:46:07,502 --> 00:46:09,367
There's just a blatant disregard
716
00:46:09,537 --> 00:46:14,201
for the impact that their actions
might have on society, on family.
717
00:46:14,375 --> 00:46:17,606
They have no problem
using a prostitute
718
00:46:17,779 --> 00:46:20,009
and going home to their wife.
719
00:46:29,022 --> 00:46:30,922
INTERVIEWER:
How many customers?
720
00:46:31,091 --> 00:46:33,389
About 10,000
at that point in time.
721
00:46:37,531 --> 00:46:39,692
INTERVIEWER: What fraction
were from Wall Street?
722
00:46:39,867 --> 00:46:44,327
Of the higher-end clients,
probably 40 to 50 percent.
723
00:46:44,505 --> 00:46:46,945
INTERVIEWER: Were all the major
Wall Street firms represented?
724
00:46:47,107 --> 00:46:48,131
Goldman Sachs?
725
00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:51,243
Lehman Brothers.
They're all in there.
726
00:46:51,411 --> 00:46:55,211
Morgan Stanley was
a little less of that.
727
00:46:55,382 --> 00:46:58,408
I think Goldman was
pretty, pretty big with that.
728
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,152
Davis:
Clients would call and say:
729
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,084
"Can you get me a Lamborghini
for the girl?"
730
00:47:03,257 --> 00:47:05,555
These guys were spending
corporate money.
731
00:47:05,726 --> 00:47:10,095
I had many black cards from,
you know, the various financial firms.
732
00:47:10,597 --> 00:47:13,998
JONATHAN: What's happening is
services are being charged
733
00:47:14,168 --> 00:47:15,931
to computer repair.
734
00:47:16,270 --> 00:47:20,434
Trading research, you know,
consulting for market compliance.
735
00:47:20,607 --> 00:47:23,872
Just gave them letterhead and said,
"Make your own invoice."
736
00:47:24,044 --> 00:47:27,207
INTERVIEWER: This behavior extends to
the senior management of the firm?
737
00:47:27,381 --> 00:47:29,008
Absolutely does. Yeah.
738
00:47:29,183 --> 00:47:31,276
I know for a fact that it does.
739
00:47:31,451 --> 00:47:34,215
It extends to the very top.
740
00:47:37,691 --> 00:47:41,855
A friend of mine in a company that
has a big financial presence said:
741
00:47:42,029 --> 00:47:45,988
"It's about time you learned
about subprime mortgages."
742
00:47:46,166 --> 00:47:49,932
So he set up a session
with his trading desk and me.
743
00:47:50,337 --> 00:47:53,966
And the techie who did all this
gets very excited,
744
00:47:54,141 --> 00:47:57,632
runs to his computer,
pulls up in about three seconds
745
00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:00,836
this Goldman Sachs
issue of securities.
746
00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:02,446
It was a complete disaster.
747
00:48:02,815 --> 00:48:08,185
Borrowers had borrowed, on average,
99.3 percent of the price of the house.
748
00:48:08,354 --> 00:48:10,254
They have no money
in the house.
749
00:48:10,423 --> 00:48:13,654
If anything goes wrong,
they walk away from the mortgage.
750
00:48:13,826 --> 00:48:16,590
This is not a loan
you'd really make, right?
751
00:48:16,762 --> 00:48:18,195
You've gotta be crazy.
752
00:48:18,364 --> 00:48:21,492
But somehow,
you took 8000 of these loans,
753
00:48:21,667 --> 00:48:23,862
and by the time
the guys were done
754
00:48:24,036 --> 00:48:26,834
at Goldman Sachs
and the rating agencies,
755
00:48:27,006 --> 00:48:29,440
two-thirds of the loans
were rated triple-A.
756
00:48:29,609 --> 00:48:32,476
They were rated as safe
as government securities.
757
00:48:32,645 --> 00:48:34,169
It's utterly mad.
758
00:48:35,047 --> 00:48:38,608
NARRATOR: Goldman Sachs sold at least $3.
1 billion worth
759
00:48:38,784 --> 00:48:42,550
of these toxic CDOs
in the first half of 2006.
760
00:48:42,955 --> 00:48:46,891
The CEO of Goldman Sachs
at this time was Henry Paulson,
761
00:48:47,059 --> 00:48:49,550
the highest paid CEO
on Wall Street.
762
00:48:52,231 --> 00:48:54,461
Good morning.
I'm pleased to announce
763
00:48:54,634 --> 00:48:58,502
that I will nominate Henry Paulson
to be the Secretary of the Treasury.
764
00:48:58,671 --> 00:49:00,400
He has a lifetime of experience.
765
00:49:00,573 --> 00:49:02,734
He has knowledge
of financial markets.
766
00:49:02,908 --> 00:49:05,809
He's earned a reputation
for candor and integrity.
767
00:49:06,312 --> 00:49:08,177
NARRATOR:
You might think it would be hard
768
00:49:08,347 --> 00:49:10,907
to adjust to a meager
government salary.
769
00:49:11,083 --> 00:49:13,313
But taking the job
as Treasury secretary
770
00:49:13,486 --> 00:49:16,478
was the best
financial decision of his life.
771
00:49:16,656 --> 00:49:20,990
Paulson had to sell his $485 million
of Goldman stock
772
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,321
when he went to work
for the government.
773
00:49:23,496 --> 00:49:26,522
But because of a law passed
by the first President Bush,
774
00:49:26,699 --> 00:49:28,860
he didn't have to pay
any taxes on it.
775
00:49:29,035 --> 00:49:32,060
It saved him $50 million.
776
00:49:38,843 --> 00:49:42,472
SLOAN: The article came
out in October of 2007.
777
00:49:42,814 --> 00:49:46,341
Already, a third of
the mortgages defaulted.
778
00:49:46,518 --> 00:49:48,952
Now most of them are going.
779
00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:54,420
One group that had purchased
these now worthless securities
780
00:49:54,592 --> 00:49:58,084
was the Public Employees'
Retirement System of Mississippi,
781
00:49:58,263 --> 00:50:01,790
which provides monthly benefits
to over 80,000 retirees.
782
00:50:02,734 --> 00:50:07,535
They lost millions of dollars
and are now suing Goldman Sachs.
783
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,853
By late 2006, Goldman had
taken things a step further.
784
00:50:26,024 --> 00:50:28,515
It didn't just sell toxic CDOs,
785
00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:32,857
it started betting against them at the
same time it was telling customers
786
00:50:33,031 --> 00:50:35,761
that they were
high-quality investments.
787
00:50:36,668 --> 00:50:39,933
By purchasing credit default swaps
from AIG,
788
00:50:40,105 --> 00:50:43,074
Goldman could bet against
CDOs it didn't own
789
00:50:43,241 --> 00:50:46,472
and get paid
when the CDOs failed.
790
00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:51,643
I asked if anybody
called the customers and said:
791
00:50:51,816 --> 00:50:54,614
"We don't really like this kind
of mortgage anymore,
792
00:50:54,786 --> 00:50:56,947
and we thought
you ought to know."
793
00:50:57,122 --> 00:51:01,650
They didn't say anything, but you could
feel the laughter over the phone.
794
00:51:02,927 --> 00:51:05,793
Goldman Sachs bought
at least $22 billion
795
00:51:05,963 --> 00:51:08,557
of credit default swaps from AIG.
796
00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:13,635
It was so much that Goldman realized
that AIG itself might go bankrupt.
797
00:51:13,804 --> 00:51:16,773
So they spent $ 150 million
insuring themselves
798
00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:19,738
against AIG's potential collapse.
799
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:23,505
Then in 2007,
Goldman went even further.
800
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,376
They started selling CDOs
specifically designed
801
00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:29,075
so that the more money
their customers lost,
802
00:51:29,253 --> 00:51:31,655
the more money
Goldman Sachs made.
803
00:51:38,061 --> 00:51:43,089
Six hundred million dollars of
Timberwolf securities is what you sold.
804
00:51:43,267 --> 00:51:45,895
Before you sold them,
805
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:49,402
this is what your sales team
were telling to each other:
806
00:51:50,207 --> 00:51:53,904
"Boy, that Timberwolf
was one shitty deal."
807
00:51:54,077 --> 00:51:59,174
This was an e-mail to me in late
June, after the transaction.
808
00:51:59,349 --> 00:52:02,648
No, no. You sold Timberwolf
after as well.
809
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,050
SPARKS: We did trades after that.
Yeah. Okay.
810
00:52:05,322 --> 00:52:08,553
The next e-mail...
Take a look. July 1, '07.
811
00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:11,888
- Tells the sales force,
"The top priority is Timberwolf."
812
00:52:12,162 --> 00:52:15,495
Your top priority to sell
is that shitty deal.
813
00:52:15,666 --> 00:52:17,930
If you have an adverse interest
to your client,
814
00:52:18,101 --> 00:52:19,932
do you have the duty
to disclose it?
815
00:52:20,103 --> 00:52:22,435
To tell that client
of your adverse interest?
816
00:52:22,606 --> 00:52:25,097
That's my question.
I'm trying to understand...
817
00:52:25,275 --> 00:52:27,766
LEVIN: I think you understand.
You don't wanna answer.
818
00:52:27,945 --> 00:52:30,243
Do you believe you have a duty
819
00:52:30,414 --> 00:52:34,180
to act in your clients'
best interest?
820
00:52:35,552 --> 00:52:40,420
I repeat, we have a duty
to serve our clients
821
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:45,050
by showing prices on transactions
that they ask us to show prices for.
822
00:52:45,228 --> 00:52:47,992
What do you think
about selling securities
823
00:52:48,164 --> 00:52:51,292
which your own people think
are crap?
824
00:52:51,467 --> 00:52:53,230
Does that bother you?
825
00:52:53,402 --> 00:52:55,666
BLANKFEIN:
I think they would.
826
00:52:55,872 --> 00:52:58,636
As a hypothetical?
LEVIN: No, this is real.
827
00:52:58,808 --> 00:53:01,208
Well, then I don't know...
LEVIN: We heard it today.
828
00:53:01,377 --> 00:53:04,437
We heard it today. "This is a
shitty deal." "This is crap."
829
00:53:04,614 --> 00:53:06,639
I heard nothing today
830
00:53:06,816 --> 00:53:10,582
that makes me think
anything went wrong.
831
00:53:10,753 --> 00:53:14,814
Is there not a conflict when you
sell something to somebody
832
00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:20,395
and then are determined
to bet against that same security,
833
00:53:20,563 --> 00:53:24,158
and you don't disclose that
to the person you're selling it to?
834
00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:25,357
You see a problem?
835
00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:28,629
In the context of market making,
that is not a conflict.
836
00:53:28,804 --> 00:53:31,898
LEVIN: When you heard your
employees in e-mails said,
837
00:53:32,074 --> 00:53:35,635
"What a shitty deal,"
"What a piece of crap,"
838
00:53:35,811 --> 00:53:37,176
did you feel anything?
839
00:53:37,346 --> 00:53:39,507
That's very unfortunate
to have on e-mail.
840
00:53:39,682 --> 00:53:40,706
LEVIN:
Are you embar...?
841
00:53:40,883 --> 00:53:42,214
(PEOPLE LAUGH AND GROAN)
842
00:53:42,385 --> 00:53:44,182
And very unfortunate...
I don't... I don't...
843
00:53:44,353 --> 00:53:47,083
LEVIN: "On e-mail"? How
about feeling that way?
844
00:53:47,256 --> 00:53:50,657
It's very unfortunate for anyone
to have said that in any form.
845
00:53:50,826 --> 00:53:55,422
Are your competitors engaged
in similar activities?
846
00:53:55,598 --> 00:53:59,830
Yes, and to a greater extent
than us in most cases.
847
00:54:00,202 --> 00:54:03,660
NARRATOR: Hedge fund manager
John Paulson made $ 12 billion
848
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:05,864
betting against
the mortgage market.
849
00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:09,239
When Paulson ran out of
mortgage securities to bet against,
850
00:54:09,412 --> 00:54:13,872
he worked with Goldman Sachs
and Deutsche Bank to create more.
851
00:54:14,282 --> 00:54:15,874
Morgan Stanley was also selling
852
00:54:16,051 --> 00:54:19,782
mortgage securities it was betting
against, and it's now being sued by
853
00:54:19,955 --> 00:54:23,447
the Government Employees' Retirement
Fund of the Virgin Islands
854
00:54:23,625 --> 00:54:24,853
for fraud.
855
00:54:25,026 --> 00:54:27,460
The lawsuit alleges
that Morgan Stanley knew
856
00:54:27,629 --> 00:54:29,256
that the CDOs were junk.
857
00:54:29,431 --> 00:54:31,365
Although they were rated triple-A,
858
00:54:31,533 --> 00:54:34,161
Morgan Stanley
was betting they would fail.
859
00:54:34,336 --> 00:54:38,534
A year later, Morgan Stanley had made
hundreds of millions of dollars,
860
00:54:38,707 --> 00:54:42,643
while the investors
had lost almost all of their money.
861
00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:01,424
You would have thought
pension funds would have said:
862
00:55:01,596 --> 00:55:05,123
"Those are subprime.
Why am I buying them?"
863
00:55:05,834 --> 00:55:08,826
They had these guys at Moody's
and Standard & Poor's
864
00:55:09,004 --> 00:55:10,733
who said, "That's a triple-A."
865
00:55:10,905 --> 00:55:16,935
No securities got issued without the
seal of approval of the rating agencies.
866
00:55:17,112 --> 00:55:21,845
The three rating agencies,
Moody's, S&P and Fitch,
867
00:55:22,017 --> 00:55:25,680
made billions of dollars giving
high ratings to risky securities.
868
00:55:26,488 --> 00:55:30,322
Moody's, the largest rating agency,
quadrupled it's profits
869
00:55:30,492 --> 00:55:33,757
between 2000 and 2007.
870
00:55:34,162 --> 00:55:37,757
Moody's and S&P get compensated
based on putting out ratings reports.
871
00:55:37,932 --> 00:55:41,561
And the more structured securities
they gave a triple-A rating to,
872
00:55:41,736 --> 00:55:43,533
the higher their earnings were.
873
00:55:43,705 --> 00:55:45,502
Imagine going to
The Times saying:
874
00:55:45,674 --> 00:55:48,108
"Write a positive story,
I'll pay you $500,000.
875
00:55:48,276 --> 00:55:50,243
If you don't,
I'll give you nothing."
876
00:55:50,411 --> 00:55:52,242
Rating agencies could have
stopped the party and said:
877
00:55:52,413 --> 00:55:55,849
"Sorry. We're gonna tighten
our standards,"
878
00:55:56,016 --> 00:56:01,147
and immediately cut off
the funding to risky borrowers.
879
00:56:01,321 --> 00:56:03,721
Triple-A-rated instruments
880
00:56:04,458 --> 00:56:10,795
mushroomed from just a handful
to thousands and thousands.
881
00:56:11,331 --> 00:56:15,768
Hundreds of billions of dollars
were being rated, you know, and...
882
00:56:15,936 --> 00:56:17,801
INTERVIEWER: Per year?
Per year. Oh, yeah.
883
00:56:17,971 --> 00:56:21,031
I've now testified before
both houses of Congress
884
00:56:21,208 --> 00:56:24,473
on the credit rating agency issue,
885
00:56:24,645 --> 00:56:29,105
and both times they trot out very
prominent First Amendment lawyers
886
00:56:29,283 --> 00:56:33,447
and argue that, "When we say
something is rated triple-A",
887
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:37,249
that is merely our 'opinion.'
You shouldn't rely on it."
888
00:56:37,424 --> 00:56:39,585
S&P's ratings express our opinion.
889
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,991
Our ratings are our opinions.
They're opinions.
890
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:45,425
Opinions.
And they are just opinions.
891
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:50,036
I think we are emphasizing the fact
that our ratings are opinions.
892
00:56:56,343 --> 00:56:59,141
They do not speak
to the market value of a security,
893
00:56:59,313 --> 00:57:03,951
the volatility of it's price,
or it's suitability as an investment.
894
00:57:22,436 --> 00:57:24,960
We have many
economists saying:
895
00:57:25,138 --> 00:57:27,402
"Oh. This is a bubble,
it's going to burst.
896
00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:29,973
This is going to be
an issue for the economy."
897
00:57:30,143 --> 00:57:33,010
Some say it could even 'cause
a recession at some point.
898
00:57:33,179 --> 00:57:37,115
What is the worst-case scenario
if, in fact, we were to see prices
899
00:57:37,283 --> 00:57:40,047
come down substantially
across the country?
900
00:57:40,219 --> 00:57:43,347
I don't buy your premise.
It's an unlikely possibility.
901
00:57:43,523 --> 00:57:47,892
We've never had a decline in house
prices on a nationwide basis.
902
00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:50,505
NARRATOR: Ben Bernanke became
chairman of the Federal Reserve
903
00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:52,555
in February 2006,
904
00:57:52,732 --> 00:57:55,633
the top year for subprime lending.
905
00:57:56,068 --> 00:57:58,229
But despite numerous warnings,
906
00:57:58,404 --> 00:58:01,532
Bernanke and the
Federal Reserve Board did nothing.
907
00:58:06,112 --> 00:58:09,479
Robert Gnaizda met with Bernanke
and the Federal Reserve Board
908
00:58:09,649 --> 00:58:12,777
three times after
Bernanke became chairman.
909
00:58:12,952 --> 00:58:17,912
Only at the last meeting did he
suggest that there was a problem
910
00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:20,388
and that the government
ought to look into it.
911
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,357
INTERVIEWER:
When? When was that? What year?
912
00:58:22,528 --> 00:58:25,656
It's 2009, March 11 th, in D.C.
913
00:58:25,832 --> 00:58:27,629
This year?
This year we met, yes.
914
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,325
And so for the two previous years
you met him.
915
00:58:30,503 --> 00:58:33,131
Even in 2008?
Yes.
916
00:58:33,306 --> 00:58:37,140
One of the six Federal Reserve Board
governors serving under Bernanke
917
00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:38,743
was Frederic Mishkin,
918
00:58:38,911 --> 00:58:42,347
who was appointed
by President Bush in 2006.
919
00:58:42,515 --> 00:58:46,611
INTERVIEWER: Did you participate
in the meetings Robert Gnaizda
920
00:58:46,786 --> 00:58:49,584
and Greenlining had
with the Federal Reserve Board?
921
00:58:49,755 --> 00:58:52,622
Yes, I did. I was on the
committee that was involved
922
00:58:52,792 --> 00:58:55,352
with the Consumer Community
Affairs Committee.
923
00:58:55,528 --> 00:58:59,361
INTERVIEWER: He warned, in an extremely
explicit manner, about what was going on.
924
00:58:59,531 --> 00:59:02,830
He came to the Federal Reserve
Board with loan documentation
925
00:59:03,001 --> 00:59:05,936
of the kind of loans
that were frequently being made.
926
00:59:06,104 --> 00:59:08,902
And he was listened to politely,
and nothing was done.
927
00:59:09,074 --> 00:59:14,637
So again, I don't know the details
in terms of, um...
928
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,776
In fact, I just don't... l...
929
00:59:17,949 --> 00:59:21,680
Whatever information he provided,
I'm not sure exactly.
930
00:59:22,053 --> 00:59:25,511
To be honest with you, I can't
remember this kind of discussion,
931
00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:30,525
but certainly there were issues
that were coming up.
932
00:59:30,695 --> 00:59:32,993
The question is,
how pervasive are they?
933
00:59:33,164 --> 00:59:34,495
INTERVIEWER:
Why didn't you try looking?
934
00:59:34,666 --> 00:59:36,293
I think that people did.
935
00:59:36,468 --> 00:59:38,026
We had people looking at...
936
00:59:38,203 --> 00:59:41,434
INTERVIEWER: Excuse me. You can't be
serious. You would have found things.
937
00:59:41,606 --> 00:59:45,975
That's very easy to always say
that you can always find it.
938
00:59:46,144 --> 00:59:47,839
NARRATOR:
As early as 2004,
939
00:59:48,013 --> 00:59:52,313
the FBI was already warning about
an epidemic of mortgage fraud.
940
00:59:52,484 --> 00:59:54,748
They reported inflated appraisals,
941
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,549
doctored loan documentation
and other fraudulent activity.
942
00:59:59,691 --> 01:00:03,923
In 2005, the IMF's chief economist,
Raghuram Rajan,
943
01:00:04,095 --> 01:00:07,724
warned that dangerous incentives
could lead to a crisis.
944
01:00:08,266 --> 01:00:11,827
Then came Nouriel Roubini's
warnings in 2006,
945
01:00:12,003 --> 01:00:14,494
Allan Sloan's articles
in Fortune magazine
946
01:00:14,673 --> 01:00:16,732
and The Washington Post
in 2007,
947
01:00:17,275 --> 01:00:19,709
and repeated warnings
from the IMF.
948
01:00:19,878 --> 01:00:22,073
I said,
and on behalf of the institution,
949
01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:25,648
the crisis in front of us
is a huge crisis.
950
01:00:25,817 --> 01:00:26,875
INTERVIEWER:
Who did you talk to?
951
01:00:27,052 --> 01:00:29,213
The government, Treasury,
Fed, everybody.
952
01:00:29,387 --> 01:00:35,222
In May of 2007, hedge fund manager
Bill Ackman circulated a presentation,
953
01:00:35,392 --> 01:00:37,019
"Who is Holding the Bag?"
954
01:00:37,194 --> 01:00:40,027
Which described
how the bubble would unravel.
955
01:00:40,564 --> 01:00:43,829
And in early 2008,
Charles Morris published his book
956
01:00:44,001 --> 01:00:46,299
about the impending crisis.
957
01:00:48,405 --> 01:00:50,635
You're not sure. What do you do?
958
01:00:50,808 --> 01:00:54,972
You might have some suspicions that
underwriting standards are weakened.
959
01:00:55,145 --> 01:00:58,603
But then the question is,
should you do anything about it?
960
01:01:00,050 --> 01:01:03,713
By 2008, home foreclosures
were skyrocketing
961
01:01:03,887 --> 01:01:07,050
and the securitization food chain
imploded.
962
01:01:07,224 --> 01:01:10,660
Lenders could no longer sell
their loans to the investment banks.
963
01:01:10,828 --> 01:01:15,060
And as the loans went bad,
dozens of lenders failed.
964
01:01:15,699 --> 01:01:20,432
Chuck Prince of Citibank
famously said
965
01:01:21,605 --> 01:01:24,506
that we have to dance
until the music stops.
966
01:01:24,675 --> 01:01:27,974
Actually, the music had stopped
already when he said that.
967
01:01:28,145 --> 01:01:30,613
The market for CDOs collapsed,
968
01:01:30,781 --> 01:01:34,114
leaving investment banks holding
hundreds of billions of dollars
969
01:01:34,284 --> 01:01:38,482
in loans, CDOs, and real estate
they couldn't sell.
970
01:01:38,655 --> 01:01:42,216
When the crisis started,
both the Bush administration
971
01:01:42,393 --> 01:01:46,762
and the Federal Reserve
were totally behind the curve.
972
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:49,262
They did not understand
the extent of it.
973
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:53,493
INTERVIEWER: At what point do you
remember thinking for the first time:
974
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:56,002
"This is dangerous, this is bad"?
975
01:01:56,173 --> 01:02:00,337
I remember very well one...
I think it was a G 7 meeting
976
01:02:00,511 --> 01:02:02,502
of February, 2008.
977
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,580
And I remember discussing
the issue with Hank Paulson.
978
01:02:06,749 --> 01:02:09,809
And I clearly remember
telling Hank:
979
01:02:09,986 --> 01:02:12,978
"We are watching
this Tsunami coming,"
980
01:02:13,156 --> 01:02:16,887
and you're just proposing
that we ask
981
01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:19,654
"which swimming costume
we're going to put on."
982
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:22,161
INTERVIEWER: What was his response?
What was his feeling?
983
01:02:22,331 --> 01:02:23,730
"Things are under control."
984
01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:27,859
Yes, we are looking
at this situation carefully,
985
01:02:28,037 --> 01:02:31,473
"and, yeah, it's under control."
986
01:02:32,175 --> 01:02:36,703
We're gonna keep growing. Okay?
And, obviously, I'll say it:
987
01:02:36,879 --> 01:02:39,473
If you're growing,
you're not in recession, right?
988
01:02:39,649 --> 01:02:41,640
I mean, we all know that.
989
01:02:46,856 --> 01:02:48,881
WOMAN:
One of the pillars of Wall Street...
990
01:02:49,058 --> 01:02:53,324
NARRATOR: In March 2008, the investment
bank Bear Stearns ran out of cash
991
01:02:53,963 --> 01:02:57,694
and was acquired for $2 a share
by JPMorgan Chase.
992
01:02:57,867 --> 01:03:01,530
The deal was backed by $30 billion
in emergency guarantees
993
01:03:01,704 --> 01:03:03,171
from the Federal Reserve.
994
01:03:04,707 --> 01:03:07,642
That was when the administration
could have come in
995
01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:13,407
and put in place various measures
to reduce system risk.
996
01:03:13,583 --> 01:03:18,452
The information I'm receiving
is the end is not here,
997
01:03:18,621 --> 01:03:20,816
that there are other shoes to fall.
998
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:23,515
Well, I've seen
those investment banks,
999
01:03:23,693 --> 01:03:27,288
working with the Fed
and the SEC,
1000
01:03:27,463 --> 01:03:33,527
strengthen their liquidity,
strengthen their capital positions.
1001
01:03:33,703 --> 01:03:37,764
I get reports all the time.
Our regulators are very vigilant.
1002
01:03:38,441 --> 01:03:40,340
On September 7 th, 2008,
1003
01:03:40,509 --> 01:03:43,103
Henry Paulson announced
the federal takeover
1004
01:03:43,278 --> 01:03:47,840
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, giant
lenders on the brink of collapse.
1005
01:03:48,016 --> 01:03:52,248
Nothing about our actions today
reflects a changed view
1006
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:54,047
of the housing correction
1007
01:03:54,222 --> 01:03:57,248
or the strength
of other U.S. Financial institutions.
1008
01:03:57,492 --> 01:03:58,516
Two days later,
1009
01:03:58,693 --> 01:04:02,356
Lehman Brothers announced
record losses of $3.2 billion,
1010
01:04:02,531 --> 01:04:04,829
and it's stock collapsed.
1011
01:04:05,634 --> 01:04:10,071
INTERVIEWER: The effects of Lehman and AIG
in September still came as a surprise.
1012
01:04:10,238 --> 01:04:13,674
I mean, this is even after July
and Fannie and Freddie.
1013
01:04:13,842 --> 01:04:18,711
So clearly there was stuff that,
as of September,
1014
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,782
major stuff,
that nobody knew about.
1015
01:04:22,951 --> 01:04:25,146
I think that's... I think that's fair.
1016
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,191
INTERVIEWER: Bear Stearns
was rated triple-A
1017
01:04:27,204 --> 01:04:29,086
like a month before
it went bankrupt?
1018
01:04:29,257 --> 01:04:31,919
More likely A2.
A2?
1019
01:04:32,093 --> 01:04:33,185
Yeah.
Okay.
1020
01:04:33,361 --> 01:04:35,124
A2 is still not bankrupt.
1021
01:04:35,297 --> 01:04:38,789
No, that's a high investment grade.
Solid investment grade rating.
1022
01:04:38,967 --> 01:04:42,027
Lehman Brothers,
A2 within days of failing.
1023
01:04:42,204 --> 01:04:47,005
AIG, double-A
within days of being bailed out.
1024
01:04:47,876 --> 01:04:51,812
Fannie Mae and Freddie Macwere
triple-A when they were rescued.
1025
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:55,916
Citigroup, Merrill, all of them
had investment-grade ratings.
1026
01:04:56,084 --> 01:04:58,644
How can that be?
Well, that's a good question.
1027
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:00,549
(LAUGHING)
1028
01:05:00,722 --> 01:05:01,984
That's a great question.
1029
01:05:02,157 --> 01:05:03,488
INTERVIEWER:
At no point did the administration
1030
01:05:03,658 --> 01:05:07,059
ever go to
all the major institutions and say:
1031
01:05:07,229 --> 01:05:10,130
"This is serious.
Tell us what your positions are.
1032
01:05:10,298 --> 01:05:14,165
You know, no bullshit.
Where are you?"
1033
01:05:14,635 --> 01:05:18,366
Well, first, that's what the regulators...
That's their job, right?
1034
01:05:18,539 --> 01:05:22,635
Their job is to understand the
exposure across these institutions.
1035
01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:25,711
And they have
a very refined understanding
1036
01:05:25,879 --> 01:05:30,282
that I think became more respon... More
refined as the crisis proceeded. So...
1037
01:05:30,451 --> 01:05:33,113
INTERVIEWER: Forgive me, but
that's clearly not true.
1038
01:05:33,287 --> 01:05:35,152
What do you mean, that's not true?
1039
01:05:35,322 --> 01:05:36,755
INTERVIEWER:
In August of 2008,
1040
01:05:36,924 --> 01:05:42,419
were you aware of the credit ratings
held by Lehman Brothers,
1041
01:05:42,596 --> 01:05:44,291
Merrill Lynch, AIG,
1042
01:05:44,465 --> 01:05:46,933
and did you think
that they were accurate?
1043
01:05:47,101 --> 01:05:50,093
Well, certainly by that time,
1044
01:05:50,271 --> 01:05:53,172
it was clear earlier credit ratings
weren't accurate.
1045
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:56,002
They had been downgraded.
INTERVIEWER: No, they hadn't.
1046
01:05:56,176 --> 01:06:00,272
There was downgrading in terms
of the industry and concerns of the...
1047
01:06:00,447 --> 01:06:02,813
All those firms were rated
at least A2
1048
01:06:02,983 --> 01:06:05,747
until a couple of days
before they were rescued.
1049
01:06:05,919 --> 01:06:10,515
The answer is I don't know enough to
answer your question on this issue.
1050
01:06:10,691 --> 01:06:14,058
Governor Fred Mishkin is resigning,
effective August 31.
1051
01:06:14,228 --> 01:06:18,164
He plans to return to Columbia's
Graduate School of Business.
1052
01:06:18,332 --> 01:06:21,358
INTERVIEWER: Why did you leave the
Federal Reserve in August of 2008
1053
01:06:21,535 --> 01:06:24,299
in the middle
of the worst financial crisis?
1054
01:06:24,471 --> 01:06:28,601
So that...
I had to revise a textbook.
1055
01:06:28,776 --> 01:06:32,542
His departure leaves the board
with three of it's seven seats vacant
1056
01:06:32,713 --> 01:06:34,874
just when the economy
needs it most.
1057
01:06:35,049 --> 01:06:36,971
INTERVIEWER: I'm sure
your textbook is
1058
01:06:36,984 --> 01:06:38,917
important and widely read,
but in August 2008,
1059
01:06:39,086 --> 01:06:43,182
some more important things were going
on in the world, don't you think?
1060
01:06:43,724 --> 01:06:45,692
NARRATOR:
By Friday, September 12th,
1061
01:06:45,859 --> 01:06:47,986
Lehman Brothers had
run out of cash
1062
01:06:48,162 --> 01:06:51,858
and the entire investment-banking
industry was sinking fast.
1063
01:06:52,031 --> 01:06:55,694
The stability of the global
financial system was in jeopardy.
1064
01:06:56,903 --> 01:06:59,701
That weekend, Henry Paulson
and Timothy Geithner
1065
01:06:59,872 --> 01:07:02,306
president of
the New York Federal Reserve,
1066
01:07:02,475 --> 01:07:05,933
called an emergency meeting
with the CEOs of the major banks
1067
01:07:06,112 --> 01:07:07,636
in an effort to rescue Lehman.
1068
01:07:08,448 --> 01:07:09,972
But Lehman wasn't alone.
1069
01:07:10,383 --> 01:07:15,184
Merrill Lynch was also
on the brink of failure.
1070
01:07:15,355 --> 01:07:19,155
And that Sunday,
it was acquired by Bank of America.
1071
01:07:19,325 --> 01:07:24,388
The only bank interested in buying
Lehman was the British firm Barclays.
1072
01:07:24,564 --> 01:07:28,432
But British regulators demanded
a financial guarantee from the U.S.
1073
01:07:28,968 --> 01:07:30,993
Paulson refused.
1074
01:07:35,541 --> 01:07:40,808
We got in a cab and went
to the Federal Reserve Bank.
1075
01:07:42,548 --> 01:07:45,847
They wanted the bankruptcy case
commenced before midnight
1076
01:07:46,018 --> 01:07:48,009
of September 14.
1077
01:07:48,187 --> 01:07:54,456
We kept pressing
that this would be a terrible event,
1078
01:07:54,627 --> 01:07:57,221
and at some point
I used the word Armageddon,
1079
01:07:57,397 --> 01:08:02,027
and they consider the consequences
of what they were proposing.
1080
01:08:02,201 --> 01:08:04,726
The effect on the market
would be extraordinary.
1081
01:08:04,904 --> 01:08:06,701
INTERVIEWER: You said this?
Yes.
1082
01:08:06,873 --> 01:08:11,970
They just said they had considered
all of the comments we had made,
1083
01:08:12,145 --> 01:08:17,583
and they were still of the belief
that in order to calm the markets
1084
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:21,481
and move forward, it was necessary
for Lehman to go into bankruptcy.
1085
01:08:21,654 --> 01:08:23,094
INTERVIEWER: "Calm the markets"?
Yes.
1086
01:08:23,422 --> 01:08:27,791
INTERVIEWER: When were you first told that
Lehman, in fact, was going to go bankrupt?
1087
01:08:28,593 --> 01:08:31,687
After the fact.
After the fact?
1088
01:08:32,798 --> 01:08:36,063
Wow. Okay. Um...
1089
01:08:36,234 --> 01:08:41,262
And what was your reaction
when you learned of it?
1090
01:08:41,873 --> 01:08:43,650
"Holy cow."
1091
01:08:43,675 --> 01:08:47,008
NARRATOR: Paulson and Bernanke had
not consulted with other governments
1092
01:08:47,179 --> 01:08:50,148
and didn't know the consequences
of foreign bankruptcy laws.
1093
01:08:50,315 --> 01:08:53,284
MAN: - Lehman Brothers
London empty their desks.
1094
01:08:53,452 --> 01:08:54,680
NARRATOR:
Under British law,
1095
01:08:54,853 --> 01:08:58,186
Lehman's London office
had to be closed immediately.
1096
01:08:58,356 --> 01:09:02,554
All transactions came to a halt, and
there are thousands of transactions.
1097
01:09:02,727 --> 01:09:06,094
The hedge funds who had had
assets with Lehman in London
1098
01:09:06,264 --> 01:09:09,062
discovered overnight,
to their complete horror,
1099
01:09:09,234 --> 01:09:11,327
they couldn't get
those assets back.
1100
01:09:11,503 --> 01:09:14,267
One of the points of the hub failed.
1101
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,567
And that had huge knock-on effects
around the system.
1102
01:09:17,742 --> 01:09:19,733
The oldest money market fund
in the nation
1103
01:09:19,911 --> 01:09:24,041
wrote off three-quarters
of a billion dollars in bad debt
1104
01:09:24,216 --> 01:09:26,207
issued by now-bankrupt
Lehman Brothers.
1105
01:09:26,384 --> 01:09:29,979
NARRATOR: Lehman's failure caused a
collapse in the commercial paper market,
1106
01:09:30,155 --> 01:09:33,454
which many companies depend on
to pay for expenses
1107
01:09:33,625 --> 01:09:34,956
such as payroll.
1108
01:09:35,126 --> 01:09:38,095
That means they have to lay off
employees, they can't buy parts.
1109
01:09:38,263 --> 01:09:40,060
It stops business in it's tracks.
1110
01:09:40,232 --> 01:09:43,099
People stood and said,
"Listen, what can we believe in?
1111
01:09:43,268 --> 01:09:45,236
There's nothing
we can trust anymore."
1112
01:09:45,403 --> 01:09:48,964
That same week,
AIG owed $ 13 billion
1113
01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:53,008
to holders of credit default swaps,
and it didn't have the money.
1114
01:09:53,178 --> 01:09:55,146
SHENG:
AIG was another hub.
1115
01:09:55,313 --> 01:09:59,408
If AIG had stopped, you know,
all planes may have to stop flying.
1116
01:09:59,583 --> 01:10:02,984
On September 17 th, AIG is
taken over by the government.
1117
01:10:03,654 --> 01:10:07,090
One day later, Paulson
and Bernanke ask Congress
1118
01:10:07,258 --> 01:10:09,692
for $700 billion
to bail out the banks.
1119
01:10:09,860 --> 01:10:11,191
We're coming together.
1120
01:10:11,362 --> 01:10:15,765
NARRATOR: They warned that the alternative
would be a catastrophic collapse.
1121
01:10:15,933 --> 01:10:18,595
It was scary. You know,
the entire system froze up.
1122
01:10:18,769 --> 01:10:22,535
Every part of the financial system,
every part of the credit system.
1123
01:10:22,706 --> 01:10:24,435
Nobody could borrow money.
1124
01:10:24,608 --> 01:10:27,771
It was like a cardiac arrest
of the global financial system.
1125
01:10:27,945 --> 01:10:29,879
I'm playing the hand dealt me.
1126
01:10:30,047 --> 01:10:32,481
A lot of what I'm dealing with...
1127
01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:37,087
I'm dealing with the consequences
of things that were done years ago.
1128
01:10:37,254 --> 01:10:39,265
MCCORMICK: Secretary Paulson
spoke through the fall.
1129
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:42,316
All the potential root causes of this,
and there are plenty,
1130
01:10:42,493 --> 01:10:44,552
he called them. I'm not sure...
1131
01:10:44,728 --> 01:10:46,127
INTERVIEWER:
You're not being serious about that.
1132
01:10:46,297 --> 01:10:48,993
I am being serious.
What would you have expected?
1133
01:10:49,166 --> 01:10:51,566
What were you looking for
that you didn't see?
1134
01:10:51,735 --> 01:10:54,533
INTERVIEWER:
He was the senior advocate
1135
01:10:54,705 --> 01:10:59,074
for prohibiting the regulation
of credit default swaps
1136
01:10:59,243 --> 01:11:02,838
and also lifting the leverage limits
on the investment banks.
1137
01:11:03,013 --> 01:11:04,037
So again, what...?
1138
01:11:04,214 --> 01:11:07,672
He mentioned those things? I never
heard him mention those things.
1139
01:11:07,851 --> 01:11:10,547
Could we turn this off for a second?
1140
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:16,986
NARRATOR:
When AIG was bailed out,
1141
01:11:17,161 --> 01:11:19,129
the owners of
it's credit default swaps,
1142
01:11:19,296 --> 01:11:21,958
the most prominent of which
was Goldman Sachs,
1143
01:11:22,132 --> 01:11:25,693
were paid $61 billion
the next day.
1144
01:11:25,869 --> 01:11:27,996
Paulson, Bernanke
and Tim Geithner
1145
01:11:28,172 --> 01:11:31,368
forced AIG to pay 100 cents
on the dollar
1146
01:11:31,541 --> 01:11:34,305
rather than negotiate
lower prices.
1147
01:11:34,477 --> 01:11:40,643
Eventually, the AIG bailout
cost taxpayers over $ 150 billion.
1148
01:11:40,817 --> 01:11:44,218
A hundred and sixty billion dollars
went through AIG.
1149
01:11:44,387 --> 01:11:47,185
Fourteen billion went
to Goldman Sachs.
1150
01:11:47,357 --> 01:11:50,554
At the same time,
Paulson and Geithner forced AIG
1151
01:11:50,727 --> 01:11:54,629
to surrender it's right to sue Goldman
and the other banks for fraud.
1152
01:11:54,797 --> 01:11:57,334
INTERVIEWER: Isn't there
a problem when the
1153
01:11:57,347 --> 01:11:59,894
person in charge of
dealing with this crisis
1154
01:12:00,069 --> 01:12:02,230
is the former CEO
of Goldman Sachs?
1155
01:12:02,405 --> 01:12:05,966
Someone who had a major role
in causing it.
1156
01:12:06,142 --> 01:12:08,872
It's fair to say
that the financial markets today
1157
01:12:09,045 --> 01:12:10,842
are incredibly complicated.
1158
01:12:11,014 --> 01:12:12,743
- And supply
urgently needed money.
1159
01:12:12,915 --> 01:12:15,145
On October 4th, 2008,
1160
01:12:15,318 --> 01:12:19,345
President Bush signs
a 700-billion-dollar bailout bill.
1161
01:12:19,522 --> 01:12:21,854
But world stock markets
continue to fall
1162
01:12:22,025 --> 01:12:24,892
amid fears that a global recession
is now underway.
1163
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:33,498
The bailout legislation does nothing
to stem the tide of layoffs
1164
01:12:33,670 --> 01:12:35,467
and foreclosures.
1165
01:12:35,638 --> 01:12:40,735
Unemployment in the United States
and Europe rises to 10 percent.
1166
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:44,243
The recession accelerates
and spreads globally.
1167
01:12:48,051 --> 01:12:52,317
I began to get really scared
because I hadn't foreseen
1168
01:12:52,488 --> 01:12:57,050
the whole world going down
at the same rate at the same time.
1169
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,591
By December of 2008,
1170
01:12:59,762 --> 01:13:03,254
General Motors and Chrysler
are facing bankruptcy.
1171
01:13:03,599 --> 01:13:06,328
And as U.S. Consumers cut back
on spending,
1172
01:13:06,501 --> 01:13:10,028
Chinese manufacturers
see sales plummet.
1173
01:13:11,106 --> 01:13:15,566
Over 10 million migrant workers
in China lose their jobs.
1174
01:13:16,044 --> 01:13:20,606
At the end of the day, the
poorest, as always, pay the most.
1175
01:13:26,088 --> 01:13:28,079
WOMAN:
Here, you can earn a lot of money.
1176
01:13:28,256 --> 01:13:34,217
Like 70, 80 U.S. Dollars per month.
1177
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:40,299
As a farmer in the countryside,
you cannot earn as much money.
1178
01:13:40,469 --> 01:13:44,530
The workers, they just wire
their salary to their hometown
1179
01:13:44,706 --> 01:13:47,436
to give to their families.
1180
01:13:47,843 --> 01:13:50,710
The crisis started in America.
1181
01:13:50,879 --> 01:13:54,610
We all know it will be coming
to China.
1182
01:13:59,054 --> 01:14:02,114
Some of the factories try
to cut off some workers.
1183
01:14:03,625 --> 01:14:06,890
And some people will get poor
because they'll lose their jobs.
1184
01:14:07,062 --> 01:14:08,086
(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
1185
01:14:08,263 --> 01:14:09,696
Life gets harder.
1186
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,800
MAN: We were growing
at about 20 percent.
1187
01:14:21,576 --> 01:14:23,976
It was a super year.
1188
01:14:24,146 --> 01:14:28,048
Then we suddenly went
to minus-nine this quarter.
1189
01:14:28,216 --> 01:14:32,949
Exports collapsed,
and we're talking like 30 percent.
1190
01:14:33,755 --> 01:14:37,384
So we just took a hit, you know.
Fell off a cliff. Boomp.
1191
01:14:37,559 --> 01:14:41,654
Even as the crisis unfolded, we didn't
know how wide it was going to spread
1192
01:14:41,829 --> 01:14:43,694
or how severe it was going to be.
1193
01:14:43,864 --> 01:14:46,458
We were still hoping
that there would be some way
1194
01:14:46,634 --> 01:14:51,628
for us to have a shelter
and be less battered by the storm.
1195
01:14:51,806 --> 01:14:53,000
But it's not possible.
1196
01:14:53,474 --> 01:14:55,203
It's a very globalized world.
1197
01:14:55,376 --> 01:14:58,174
The economies
are all linked together.
1198
01:15:29,777 --> 01:15:32,211
Every time a home
goes into foreclosure,
1199
01:15:32,379 --> 01:15:34,711
it affects everyone
who lives around that house.
1200
01:15:34,882 --> 01:15:38,045
When that house goes on the market,
it'll be sold at a lower price.
1201
01:15:38,219 --> 01:15:41,552
Maybe before it goes on the market,
it won't be well-maintained.
1202
01:15:41,722 --> 01:15:45,055
We estimate another 9 million
homeowners will lose their homes.
1203
01:15:51,665 --> 01:15:56,693
(IN SPANISH) We went out on a weekend
to see what houses were for sale.
1204
01:15:56,871 --> 01:15:58,429
We saw one we liked.
1205
01:15:58,606 --> 01:16:01,837
The payment
was going to be $3200.
1206
01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:16,081
Everything was beautiful,
the house was very pretty.
1207
01:16:16,256 --> 01:16:18,315
The payment low.
Everything was...
1208
01:16:18,491 --> 01:16:20,186
We won the lottery.
1209
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,261
But the reality was when
the first payment arrived.
1210
01:16:28,034 --> 01:16:32,733
I felt very bad
for my husband
1211
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:40,143
because he works too much.
And we have three children.
1212
01:16:49,656 --> 01:16:53,490
The majority I've seen are
people hurt by the economy.
1213
01:16:53,660 --> 01:16:56,652
They were living day to day,
paycheck to paycheck,
1214
01:16:56,829 --> 01:16:58,057
and that ran out.
1215
01:16:58,231 --> 01:17:01,564
Unemployment won't pay a mortgage.
It won't pay a car bill.
1216
01:17:02,168 --> 01:17:03,897
STEPHEN:
I was a log truck driver.
1217
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:08,905
They shut down the logging systems,
shut down the sawmills.
1218
01:17:09,075 --> 01:17:11,543
So I moved down here
on a construction job.
1219
01:17:11,711 --> 01:17:14,578
And the construction jobs
got shut down too, so...
1220
01:17:14,747 --> 01:17:17,272
Things are so tough.
There's a lot of people out there.
1221
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:19,850
Soon you're gonna be seeing
more camps like this
1222
01:17:20,019 --> 01:17:22,180
because there's just no jobs
right now.
1223
01:17:28,494 --> 01:17:33,090
When the company did well,
we did well.
1224
01:17:33,266 --> 01:17:37,066
When the company did not do well,
sir, we did not do well.
1225
01:17:37,470 --> 01:17:39,495
NARRATOR: The men who
destroyed their own companies
1226
01:17:39,672 --> 01:17:41,435
and plunged the world
into crisis
1227
01:17:41,607 --> 01:17:44,940
walked away from the wreckage
with their fortunes intact.
1228
01:17:45,111 --> 01:17:48,705
The top five executives at Lehman
Brothers made over a billion dollars
1229
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,610
between 2000 and 2007.
1230
01:17:51,783 --> 01:17:55,583
And when the firm went bankrupt,
they got to keep all the money.
1231
01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:57,346
The system worked.
1232
01:17:57,522 --> 01:18:00,457
It doesn't make sense to make
a failing loan because we lose.
1233
01:18:00,625 --> 01:18:04,527
The borrower loses, the
community loses and we lose.
1234
01:18:04,696 --> 01:18:07,028
Countrywide's CEO,
Angelo Mozilo,
1235
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:11,568
made $470 million
between 2003 and 2008.
1236
01:18:11,937 --> 01:18:15,566
One hundred forty million came from
dumping his Countrywide stock
1237
01:18:15,741 --> 01:18:18,471
in the 12 months
before the company collapsed.
1238
01:18:18,643 --> 01:18:21,305
I hold the board accountable
when a business fails.
1239
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:24,176
They're responsible
for hiring and firing the CEO
1240
01:18:24,349 --> 01:18:26,510
and overseeing
big strategic decisions.
1241
01:18:26,685 --> 01:18:29,677
The problem with boards in America
is the way boards are elected.
1242
01:18:29,855 --> 01:18:33,382
You know, the boards are pretty much,
in many cases, picked by the CEO.
1243
01:18:33,558 --> 01:18:36,049
The board of directors
and compensation committees
1244
01:18:36,228 --> 01:18:41,325
are the two bodies best situated
to determine pay for executives.
1245
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:44,111
INTERVIEWER: How do you think they've
done over the past 10 years?
1246
01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:49,506
Well, I think that if you look at those...
I would give about a B, because...
1247
01:18:49,674 --> 01:18:50,698
A B?
A B, yes.
1248
01:18:50,876 --> 01:18:52,605
Not an F?
Not an F, not an F.
1249
01:18:52,911 --> 01:18:55,607
NARRATOR: Stan O'neal, the
CEO of Merrill Lynch,
1250
01:18:55,781 --> 01:19:00,218
received $90 million
in 2006 and 2007 alone.
1251
01:19:00,385 --> 01:19:02,546
After driving his firm
into the ground,
1252
01:19:02,721 --> 01:19:05,315
the board of directors
allowed him to resign,
1253
01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:09,449
and he collected $ 161 million
in severance.
1254
01:19:09,795 --> 01:19:13,822
INTERVIEWER: Instead of being fired,
Stan O'neal is allowed to resign
1255
01:19:13,999 --> 01:19:17,196
and takes away $ 151 million.
1256
01:19:17,369 --> 01:19:19,837
That's a decision that
that board of directors made.
1257
01:19:20,005 --> 01:19:21,836
What grade
do you give that decision?
1258
01:19:22,007 --> 01:19:24,873
That's a tougher one. I don't
know if I'd give it a B as well.
1259
01:19:25,409 --> 01:19:31,473
O'neal's successor, John Thain,
was paid $87 million in 2007.
1260
01:19:31,649 --> 01:19:33,241
And in December of 2008,
1261
01:19:33,417 --> 01:19:37,114
two months after Merrill
was bailed out by U.S. Taxpayers,
1262
01:19:37,288 --> 01:19:41,520
Thain and Merrill's board
handed out billions in bonuses.
1263
01:19:42,259 --> 01:19:46,252
In March of 2008,
AIG's Financial Products division
1264
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:48,728
lost $ 11 billion.
1265
01:19:48,899 --> 01:19:53,199
Instead of being fired,
Joseph Cassano, head of AIGFP,
1266
01:19:53,571 --> 01:19:57,473
was kept on as a consultant
for a million dollars a month.
1267
01:19:57,641 --> 01:20:03,136
You wanna make sure key players
and key employees within AIGFP,
1268
01:20:03,314 --> 01:20:05,475
we retain
that intellectual knowledge.
1269
01:20:05,649 --> 01:20:07,617
I attended
a very interesting dinner
1270
01:20:07,785 --> 01:20:11,448
organized by Hank Paulson
a little more than one year ago
1271
01:20:11,622 --> 01:20:14,250
with some officials
and a couple of CEOs
1272
01:20:14,425 --> 01:20:16,689
from the biggest banks
in the U.S.
1273
01:20:16,861 --> 01:20:21,161
And surprisingly enough,
all these gentlemen were arguing:
1274
01:20:21,332 --> 01:20:25,632
"We were too greedy, so we have
part of the responsibility." Fine.
1275
01:20:25,803 --> 01:20:27,430
Then they were turning
to the treasurer,
1276
01:20:27,605 --> 01:20:29,300
Secretary of the Treasury,
and saying:
1277
01:20:29,473 --> 01:20:32,636
"You should regulate more. We're
too greedy, we can't avoid it.
1278
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:35,779
The only way to avoid this
is to have more regulation."
1279
01:20:35,946 --> 01:20:38,847
INTERVIEWER: I have spoken to
many bankers about this question,
1280
01:20:39,016 --> 01:20:40,950
including very senior ones.
1281
01:20:41,118 --> 01:20:45,919
And this is the first time
that I've ever heard anybody say
1282
01:20:46,090 --> 01:20:49,116
they wanted their compensation
to be regulated in any way.
1283
01:20:49,293 --> 01:20:52,490
Yeah, because it was at the
moment where they were afraid.
1284
01:20:52,663 --> 01:20:56,962
And after, when solution
to the crisis began to appear,
1285
01:20:57,133 --> 01:20:59,397
then probably
they changed their mind.
1286
01:21:01,804 --> 01:21:05,638
NARRATOR: In the U.S., the banks
are now bigger, more powerful
1287
01:21:05,808 --> 01:21:08,868
and more concentrated
than ever before.
1288
01:21:09,045 --> 01:21:10,910
There are fewer competitors.
1289
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,039
A lot of smaller banks have been
taken over by big ones.
1290
01:21:15,218 --> 01:21:17,652
J.P. Morgan is even bigger
than it was before.
1291
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:21,779
J.P. Morgan took over first
Bear Stearns and then WaMu.
1292
01:21:21,958 --> 01:21:25,792
Bank of America took over
Countrywide and Merrill Lynch.
1293
01:21:25,962 --> 01:21:28,453
Wells Fargo took over Wachovia.
1294
01:21:28,631 --> 01:21:30,929
After the crisis,
the financial industry,
1295
01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:33,898
including the
Financial Services Roundtable,
1296
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:36,595
worked harder than ever
to fight reform.
1297
01:21:36,773 --> 01:21:39,435
The financial sector
employs 3000 lobbyists,
1298
01:21:39,976 --> 01:21:43,412
more than five
for each member of Congress.
1299
01:21:43,913 --> 01:21:46,057
INTERVIEWER: You think the
financial services industry
1300
01:21:46,082 --> 01:21:48,744
has excessive political influence
in the United States?
1301
01:21:48,918 --> 01:21:53,355
No. I think that every
person in the country
1302
01:21:53,523 --> 01:21:55,320
is represented
here in Washington.
1303
01:21:55,491 --> 01:21:59,222
INTERVIEWER: And you think that
all segments of American society
1304
01:21:59,395 --> 01:22:02,728
have equal and fair access
to the system?
1305
01:22:02,899 --> 01:22:07,768
That you can walk into any hearing
room that you would like. Yes, I do.
1306
01:22:08,037 --> 01:22:11,234
INTERVIEWER: One can walk into any
hearing room. One cannot necessarily
1307
01:22:11,407 --> 01:22:14,240
write the lobbying checks
that your industry writes
1308
01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:18,314
or engage in the level of political
contributions your industry engages in.
1309
01:22:18,514 --> 01:22:21,381
NARRATOR:
Between 1998 and 2008,
1310
01:22:21,551 --> 01:22:24,486
the financial industry
spent over $5 billion
1311
01:22:24,654 --> 01:22:27,145
on lobbying
and campaign contributions.
1312
01:22:27,323 --> 01:22:30,190
And since the crisis,
they're spending even more money.
1313
01:22:31,927 --> 01:22:34,395
The financial industry
also exerts it's influence
1314
01:22:34,563 --> 01:22:38,499
in a more subtle way, one that
most Americans don't know about.
1315
01:22:40,102 --> 01:22:43,697
It has corrupted the study
of economics itself.
1316
01:22:44,172 --> 01:22:50,202
Deregulation had tremendous
financial and intellectual support
1317
01:22:50,379 --> 01:22:54,816
because people argued it
for their own benefit.
1318
01:22:54,983 --> 01:22:59,647
The economics profession was
the main source of that illusion.
1319
01:22:59,988 --> 01:23:03,048
Since the 1980s,
academic economists
1320
01:23:03,225 --> 01:23:05,659
have been major advocates
of deregulation
1321
01:23:05,827 --> 01:23:09,228
and played powerful roles
in shaping U.S. Government policy.
1322
01:23:09,798 --> 01:23:13,564
Very few of these economic experts
warned about the crisis.
1323
01:23:13,735 --> 01:23:18,263
And even after the crisis,
many of them opposed reform.
1324
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:22,408
The guys who taught these things
tended to get paid a lot of money
1325
01:23:22,577 --> 01:23:24,670
being consultants.
1326
01:23:24,846 --> 01:23:29,442
Business school professors
don't live on a faculty salary.
1327
01:23:30,519 --> 01:23:33,215
They do very, very well.
1328
01:23:33,655 --> 01:23:36,647
INTERVIEWER: Over the last decade,
the financial services industries
1329
01:23:36,825 --> 01:23:42,821
made about $5 billion worth of
political contributions in the U.S.
1330
01:23:43,899 --> 01:23:46,197
That's kind of a lot of money.
1331
01:23:46,702 --> 01:23:49,364
That doesn't bother you?
No.
1332
01:23:49,538 --> 01:23:52,063
NARRATOR: Martin Feldstein
is a Professor at Harvard
1333
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,640
and one of the world's
most prominent economists.
1334
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:57,808
As President Reagan's
chief economic advisor,
1335
01:23:57,979 --> 01:24:00,413
he was a major architect
of deregulation.
1336
01:24:00,582 --> 01:24:03,608
And from 1988 until 2009,
1337
01:24:03,919 --> 01:24:07,012
he was on the board of directors
of both AIG
1338
01:24:07,188 --> 01:24:09,156
and AIG Financial Products,
1339
01:24:09,323 --> 01:24:11,553
which paid him millions of dollars.
1340
01:24:11,826 --> 01:24:14,693
INTERVIEWER: You have any regrets
about having been on AIG's board?
1341
01:24:14,862 --> 01:24:18,525
I have no comments. No, I have no
regrets about being on AIG's board.
1342
01:24:18,699 --> 01:24:22,135
INTERVIEWER: None?
That I can say. Absolutely none.
1343
01:24:22,303 --> 01:24:23,736
Okay.
1344
01:24:26,173 --> 01:24:30,872
You have any regrets
about AIG's decisions?
1345
01:24:31,045 --> 01:24:33,809
I cannot say anything more
about AIG.
1346
01:24:33,981 --> 01:24:38,042
I've taught at Northwestern in
Chicago, Harvard and Columbia.
1347
01:24:38,219 --> 01:24:41,154
NARRATOR: Glenn Hubbard is the
Dean of Columbia Business School
1348
01:24:41,322 --> 01:24:44,018
and was chairman
of the Council of Economic Advisers
1349
01:24:44,191 --> 01:24:46,182
under George W. Bush.
1350
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,637
INTERVIEWER: Do you think the
financial services industry
1351
01:24:48,662 --> 01:24:52,063
has too much political power
in the United States?
1352
01:24:52,533 --> 01:24:56,663
I don't think so. No. You certainly
wouldn't get that impression
1353
01:24:56,837 --> 01:25:00,637
by the drubbing that they
regularly get in Washington.
1354
01:25:00,808 --> 01:25:03,641
Many prominent academics
quietly make fortunes
1355
01:25:03,811 --> 01:25:08,612
helping the financial industry shape
public debate and government policy.
1356
01:25:08,783 --> 01:25:12,048
The Analysis Group,
Charles River Associates,
1357
01:25:12,219 --> 01:25:13,550
Compass Lexecon
1358
01:25:13,721 --> 01:25:15,985
and the Law and Economics
Consulting Group
1359
01:25:16,157 --> 01:25:18,352
manage a multibillion-dollar
industry
1360
01:25:18,526 --> 01:25:21,825
that provides academic experts
for hire.
1361
01:25:21,996 --> 01:25:23,987
Two bankers
who used these services
1362
01:25:24,165 --> 01:25:27,191
were Ralph Cioffi
and Matthew Tannin,
1363
01:25:27,368 --> 01:25:31,327
Bear Stearns hedge fund managers
prosecuted for securities fraud.
1364
01:25:31,505 --> 01:25:34,633
After hiring the Analysis Group,
both were acquitted.
1365
01:25:35,009 --> 01:25:40,241
Glenn Hubbard was paid $ 100,000
to testify in their defense.
1366
01:25:40,914 --> 01:25:43,872
INTERVIEWER: Do you
think the economics
1367
01:25:43,885 --> 01:25:46,853
discipline has a
conflict-of-interest problem?
1368
01:25:47,787 --> 01:25:49,379
I'm not sure
I know what you mean.
1369
01:25:49,556 --> 01:25:53,822
Do you think a significant fraction of
the economics discipline, economists,
1370
01:25:53,993 --> 01:25:59,192
have financial conflicts of interest that
might call into question or color...?
1371
01:25:59,365 --> 01:26:01,333
I see what you're saying.
I doubt it.
1372
01:26:01,501 --> 01:26:06,666
Most academic economists
aren't wealthy business people.
1373
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,038
Hubbard makes $250,000 a year
as a board member of MetLife
1374
01:26:11,211 --> 01:26:13,611
and was formerly
on the board of Capmark,
1375
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:16,806
a major commercial
mortgage lender during the bubble,
1376
01:26:16,983 --> 01:26:19,042
which went bankrupt in 2009.
1377
01:26:19,219 --> 01:26:21,585
He has also advised
Nomura Securities,
1378
01:26:21,754 --> 01:26:26,157
KKR Financial Corporation
and many other financial firms.
1379
01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:30,588
Laura Tyson, who declined
to be interviewed for this film,
1380
01:26:30,763 --> 01:26:34,529
is a Professor at the
University of California, Berkeley.
1381
01:26:34,701 --> 01:26:37,932
She was the chair of
the Council of Economic Advisers,
1382
01:26:38,104 --> 01:26:41,562
then director of the National
Economic Council under Clinton.
1383
01:26:41,741 --> 01:26:45,404
After leaving government, she joined
the board of Morgan Stanley,
1384
01:26:45,578 --> 01:26:49,105
which pays her $350,000 a year.
1385
01:26:49,282 --> 01:26:51,773
Ruth Simmons,
president of Brown University,
1386
01:26:51,951 --> 01:26:57,014
makes over $300,000 a year
on the board of Goldman Sachs.
1387
01:26:57,257 --> 01:27:00,283
Larry Summers, who, as Treasury
secretary, played a role
1388
01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:05,796
in the deregulation of derivatives,
became president of Harvard in 2001.
1389
01:27:06,132 --> 01:27:09,465
While at Harvard, he made millions
consulting to hedge funds
1390
01:27:09,636 --> 01:27:14,004
and millions more in speaking fees,
much of it from investment banks.
1391
01:27:16,742 --> 01:27:20,143
According to his federal disclosure
report, Summers' net worth
1392
01:27:20,312 --> 01:27:25,340
is between $ 16.5 million
and $39.5 million.
1393
01:27:26,118 --> 01:27:28,916
Frederic Mishkin, who returned
to Columbia Business School
1394
01:27:29,087 --> 01:27:33,217
after leaving the Federal Reserve,
reported on his disclosure report
1395
01:27:33,392 --> 01:27:37,761
that his net worth was between
$6 million and $ 17 million.
1396
01:27:38,230 --> 01:27:42,667
INTERVIEWER: In 2006, you coauthored a
study of Iceland's financial system.
1397
01:27:42,868 --> 01:27:44,665
"Iceland is an advanced country"
1398
01:27:44,836 --> 01:27:48,033
with excellent institutions,
low corruption, rule of law.
1399
01:27:48,206 --> 01:27:51,198
The economy has adjusted
to financial liberalization
1400
01:27:51,376 --> 01:27:55,608
"while prudential regulation and
supervision is generally quite strong."
1401
01:27:55,781 --> 01:27:58,511
And that was the mistake,
that it turns out
1402
01:27:58,684 --> 01:28:02,142
prudential regulation and supervision
was not strong in Iceland
1403
01:28:02,321 --> 01:28:05,188
during this period...
What led you to think it was?
1404
01:28:05,357 --> 01:28:07,621
You're going with
the information you had
1405
01:28:07,793 --> 01:28:13,322
and generally, the view was that
Iceland had very good institutions.
1406
01:28:13,498 --> 01:28:15,966
It was an advanced country...
Who told you that?
1407
01:28:16,134 --> 01:28:18,568
What research did you do?
You talk to people.
1408
01:28:18,737 --> 01:28:23,299
You have faith in the central bank, which
actually did fall down on the job.
1409
01:28:23,475 --> 01:28:25,943
That clearly it... This...
1410
01:28:26,111 --> 01:28:29,672
Why have faith in a central bank?
Well, that faith... You try...
1411
01:28:29,848 --> 01:28:32,009
Because you go with
the information you have.
1412
01:28:32,184 --> 01:28:34,778
How much were you paid to write it?
I was paid...
1413
01:28:34,953 --> 01:28:37,353
I think the number...
It's public information.
1414
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:48,023
INTERVIEWER: On your CV, the title
of this report has been changed
1415
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:52,329
from "Financial Stability in Iceland"
to "Financial Instability in Iceland."
1416
01:28:52,503 --> 01:28:57,065
Well, I don't know. Whatever it is...
If there's a typo, there's a typo.
1417
01:28:57,241 --> 01:28:59,106
What should be publicly available
1418
01:28:59,276 --> 01:29:01,710
is whenever anybody
does research on a topic
1419
01:29:01,879 --> 01:29:06,578
that they disclose if they have any
financial conflict with that research.
1420
01:29:06,751 --> 01:29:10,744
INTERVIEWER: But if I recall, there
is no policy to that effect.
1421
01:29:11,288 --> 01:29:16,749
I can't imagine anybody not doing that in
terms of putting it in a paper. You...
1422
01:29:16,927 --> 01:29:20,522
There would be significant professional
sanction for failure to do that.
1423
01:29:20,698 --> 01:29:25,328
INTERVIEWER: I didn't see any place in the
study where you indicated you'd been paid
1424
01:29:25,503 --> 01:29:28,802
by the Icelandic Chamber
of Commerce to produce it.
1425
01:29:28,973 --> 01:29:31,771
No, I don't... You know.
Okay.
1426
01:29:32,143 --> 01:29:35,135
NARRATOR: Richard Portes, the
most famous economist in Britain
1427
01:29:35,312 --> 01:29:37,439
and a Professor at
London Business School,
1428
01:29:37,615 --> 01:29:41,676
was also commissioned by the
Icelandic Chamber of Commerce
1429
01:29:41,852 --> 01:29:45,879
to write a report which praised
the Icelandic financial sector.
1430
01:29:46,457 --> 01:29:48,322
The banks themselves
are highly liquid.
1431
01:29:48,492 --> 01:29:51,290
They've made money
on the fall of the Icelandic krona.
1432
01:29:51,462 --> 01:29:52,861
These are strong banks.
1433
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:56,295
Their market funding is assured
for the coming year.
1434
01:29:56,467 --> 01:29:58,435
These are well-run banks.
MAN: Thank you.
1435
01:29:58,602 --> 01:30:01,935
Like Mishkin, Portes' report
didn't disclose his payment
1436
01:30:02,106 --> 01:30:04,597
from the Icelandic
Chamber of Commerce.
1437
01:30:04,775 --> 01:30:07,243
INTERVIEWER: Does Harvard
require disclosures
1438
01:30:07,256 --> 01:30:09,735
of financial conflict
of interest?
1439
01:30:10,715 --> 01:30:12,148
Not to my knowledge.
1440
01:30:12,316 --> 01:30:15,342
Do you require people
to report the compensation
1441
01:30:15,519 --> 01:30:18,044
received from outside activities?
No.
1442
01:30:18,222 --> 01:30:19,917
Don't you think that's a problem?
1443
01:30:20,091 --> 01:30:21,353
I don't see why.
1444
01:30:21,525 --> 01:30:24,186
INTERVIEWER: Martin Feldstein
being on the board of AIG,
1445
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,260
Laura Tyson at Morgan Stanley,
1446
01:30:26,429 --> 01:30:31,264
Larry Summers making $ 10 million
consulting to financial services firms.
1447
01:30:31,434 --> 01:30:32,492
Irrelevant?
1448
01:30:32,669 --> 01:30:33,966
Hm. Yeah.
1449
01:30:34,137 --> 01:30:35,627
Yeah. Basically irrelevant.
1450
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:41,274
INTERVIEWER: You've written many
articles about a wide array of subjects.
1451
01:30:41,444 --> 01:30:44,208
You never saw fit
to investigate the risks
1452
01:30:44,380 --> 01:30:47,713
of unregulated
credit default swaps?
1453
01:30:47,984 --> 01:30:49,611
I never did.
1454
01:30:49,786 --> 01:30:53,552
Same question with regard
to executive compensation?
1455
01:30:53,723 --> 01:30:55,714
The regulation
of corporate governance?
1456
01:30:55,892 --> 01:30:58,224
The effect of political contributions?
1457
01:30:58,394 --> 01:31:02,353
I don't know that I would have
anything to add to those discussions.
1458
01:31:02,532 --> 01:31:04,591
INTERVIEWER:
I'm looking at your resume now.
1459
01:31:04,768 --> 01:31:09,569
It looks to me as if the majority
of your outside activities
1460
01:31:09,739 --> 01:31:12,572
are consulting
and directorship arrangements
1461
01:31:12,742 --> 01:31:14,835
with the financial services
industry.
1462
01:31:15,011 --> 01:31:17,172
Would you not agree
with that characterization?
1463
01:31:17,347 --> 01:31:20,612
To my knowledge, I don't think my
consulting clients are on my CV.
1464
01:31:20,784 --> 01:31:23,582
So I wouldn't know.
Who are your consulting clients?
1465
01:31:23,753 --> 01:31:25,744
I don't believe I have to
discuss that with you.
1466
01:31:25,922 --> 01:31:27,355
Okay.
1467
01:31:27,957 --> 01:31:31,893
In fact, you have a few more
minutes and the interview's over.
1468
01:31:32,061 --> 01:31:34,655
INTERVIEWER: Do you consult for
any financial services firms?
1469
01:31:34,831 --> 01:31:37,391
The answer is I do.
And?
1470
01:31:37,567 --> 01:31:40,730
And... But I do not wanna go
into details about that.
1471
01:31:40,904 --> 01:31:43,702
INTERVIEWER: Do they include
other financial services firms?
1472
01:31:43,873 --> 01:31:45,033
Possibly.
1473
01:31:45,208 --> 01:31:46,869
You don't remember?
1474
01:31:47,043 --> 01:31:50,274
This isn't a deposition, sir. I was
polite enough to give you time.
1475
01:31:50,446 --> 01:31:54,143
Foolishly, I now see. But you
have three more minutes.
1476
01:31:54,317 --> 01:31:56,148
Give it your best shot.
1477
01:31:56,319 --> 01:31:58,946
NARRATOR: In 2004, at the
height of the bubble,
1478
01:31:59,121 --> 01:32:02,955
Glenn Hubbard coauthored a widely
read paper with William C. Dudley,
1479
01:32:03,125 --> 01:32:05,923
the chief economist
of Goldman Sachs.
1480
01:32:06,094 --> 01:32:08,654
In the paper,
Hubbard praised credit derivatives
1481
01:32:08,831 --> 01:32:10,628
and the securitization chain,
1482
01:32:10,799 --> 01:32:13,393
stating they had improved
allocation of capital
1483
01:32:13,569 --> 01:32:16,037
and were enhancing
financial stability.
1484
01:32:16,205 --> 01:32:18,730
He cited reduced volatility
in the economy
1485
01:32:18,907 --> 01:32:23,537
and stated that recessions had
become less frequent and milder.
1486
01:32:23,712 --> 01:32:26,738
Credit derivatives were
protecting banks against losses
1487
01:32:26,915 --> 01:32:29,383
and helping to distribute risk.
1488
01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:34,022
INTERVIEWER: A medical researcher
writes an article, saying:
1489
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:38,751
"To treat this disease,
you should prescribe this drug."
1490
01:32:39,027 --> 01:32:42,087
Turns out doctor makes 80 percent
of personal income
1491
01:32:42,264 --> 01:32:45,427
from manufacture of this drug.
Does not bother you?
1492
01:32:45,601 --> 01:32:50,800
I think it's certainly important
to disclose the, um...
1493
01:32:50,973 --> 01:32:53,339
The, um...
1494
01:32:55,644 --> 01:32:57,805
Well, I think that's also
a little different
1495
01:32:57,980 --> 01:33:02,508
from cases that we're talking
about here because, um...
1496
01:33:17,266 --> 01:33:21,498
INTERVIEWER: So, what do you think this
says about the economics discipline?
1497
01:33:21,670 --> 01:33:25,629
Well, I mean, it has no
relevance to anything, really.
1498
01:33:25,807 --> 01:33:29,709
And, indeed,
I think it's a part of the...
1499
01:33:29,878 --> 01:33:33,881
It's an important part
of the problem.
1500
01:33:48,496 --> 01:33:51,727
NARRATOR: The rising power of the U.S.
Financial sector
1501
01:33:51,899 --> 01:33:54,663
was part of a wider change
in America.
1502
01:33:55,036 --> 01:33:59,632
Since the 1980s, the United States
has become a more unequal society,
1503
01:34:00,207 --> 01:34:03,608
and it's economic dominance
has declined.
1504
01:34:03,911 --> 01:34:08,371
Companies like General Motors,
Chrysler and U.S. Steel,
1505
01:34:08,549 --> 01:34:11,109
formerly the core
of the U.S. Economy,
1506
01:34:11,285 --> 01:34:15,881
were poorly managed and falling
behind their foreign competitors.
1507
01:34:16,691 --> 01:34:19,751
And as countries like China
opened their economies,
1508
01:34:19,927 --> 01:34:24,091
American companies
sent jobs overseas to save money.
1509
01:34:26,067 --> 01:34:29,400
For many, many years,
the 660 million people
1510
01:34:29,570 --> 01:34:31,868
in the developed world
were sheltered
1511
01:34:32,039 --> 01:34:35,907
from all of this additional labor
that existed on the planet.
1512
01:34:36,077 --> 01:34:38,944
Suddenly the Bamboo Curtain
and the Iron Curtain are lifted
1513
01:34:39,113 --> 01:34:42,276
and you have 2.5 billion
additional people.
1514
01:34:42,984 --> 01:34:46,977
American factory workers were laid
off by the tens of thousands.
1515
01:34:47,154 --> 01:34:49,782
Our manufacturing base
was destroyed, literally,
1516
01:34:49,957 --> 01:34:51,254
over a few years.
1517
01:34:51,425 --> 01:34:55,725
As manufacturing declined,
other industries rose.
1518
01:34:55,896 --> 01:34:59,127
The United States leads the world
in information technology,
1519
01:34:59,300 --> 01:35:02,360
where high-paying jobs
are easy to find.
1520
01:35:02,536 --> 01:35:04,697
But those jobs
require an education.
1521
01:35:05,006 --> 01:35:09,874
And for average Americans,
college is increasingly out of reach.
1522
01:35:10,210 --> 01:35:15,341
While universities like Harvard have
billions of dollars in endowments,
1523
01:35:15,515 --> 01:35:19,815
funding for public universities
is shrinking and tuition is rising.
1524
01:35:20,787 --> 01:35:23,255
Tuition for California's
public universities
1525
01:35:23,423 --> 01:35:29,760
rose from $650 in the 1970s
to over $ 10,000 in 2010.
1526
01:35:30,797 --> 01:35:35,063
The most important determinant
of whether Americans go to college
1527
01:35:35,235 --> 01:35:38,227
is whether they can find
the money to pay for it.
1528
01:35:38,505 --> 01:35:43,465
Meanwhile, American tax policy
shifted to favor the wealthy.
1529
01:35:43,643 --> 01:35:48,842
When I first came to office, I thought
taxes were too high, and they were.
1530
01:35:49,015 --> 01:35:51,813
The most dramatic change
was a series of tax cuts
1531
01:35:51,985 --> 01:35:54,613
designed by Glenn Hubbard,
who was serving
1532
01:35:54,788 --> 01:35:58,087
as President Bush's
chief economic advisor.
1533
01:35:58,825 --> 01:36:02,454
The Bush administration sharply
reduced taxes on investment gains,
1534
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:05,621
stock dividends,
and eliminated the estate tax.
1535
01:36:05,799 --> 01:36:08,927
We had a comprehensive plan
that when acted
1536
01:36:09,102 --> 01:36:12,868
has left nearly $ 1.1 trillion
in the hands of American workers,
1537
01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:15,633
families, investors
and small-business owners.
1538
01:36:15,809 --> 01:36:21,611
Most benefits of these cuts went to the
wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.
1539
01:36:22,148 --> 01:36:24,412
And by the way,
it was the cornerstone
1540
01:36:24,584 --> 01:36:26,950
in many ways,
of our economic recovery policy.
1541
01:36:27,420 --> 01:36:29,945
Inequality of wealth
in the United States
1542
01:36:30,123 --> 01:36:33,524
is now higher
than in any other developed country.
1543
01:36:34,127 --> 01:36:36,891
American families responded
to these changes in two ways:
1544
01:36:38,331 --> 01:36:42,892
By working longer hours
and by going into debt.
1545
01:36:43,068 --> 01:36:46,663
As the middle class falls
further and further behind,
1546
01:36:46,839 --> 01:36:50,707
there is a political urge
to respond
1547
01:36:50,876 --> 01:36:54,209
by making it easier to get credit.
1548
01:36:54,379 --> 01:36:56,870
You don't have to have
a lousy home.
1549
01:36:57,049 --> 01:37:02,646
The low-income home buyer can have
just as nice a house as anybody else.
1550
01:37:03,188 --> 01:37:07,591
American families borrowed
to finance their homes, their cars,
1551
01:37:07,759 --> 01:37:11,525
their healthcare,
and their children's educations.
1552
01:37:11,897 --> 01:37:14,559
People in the bottom 90 percent
1553
01:37:15,033 --> 01:37:19,595
lost ground
between 1980 and 2007.
1554
01:37:19,771 --> 01:37:24,504
It all went to the top 1 percent.
1555
01:37:26,478 --> 01:37:29,379
For the first time in history,
average Americans
1556
01:37:29,548 --> 01:37:34,315
have less education and are less
prosperous than their parents.
1557
01:37:36,488 --> 01:37:39,719
The era of greed and irresponsibility
1558
01:37:39,892 --> 01:37:43,191
on Wall Street and in Washington
1559
01:37:43,362 --> 01:37:45,421
has led us to a financial crisis
1560
01:37:45,597 --> 01:37:49,294
as serious as any that we've faced
since the Great Depression.
1561
01:37:49,468 --> 01:37:52,733
NARRATOR: When the financial crisis
struck before the 2008 election,
1562
01:37:53,172 --> 01:37:55,436
Barack Obama pointed
to Wall Street greed
1563
01:37:55,607 --> 01:37:59,907
and regulatory failures as examples
of the need for change in America.
1564
01:38:00,078 --> 01:38:02,774
A lack of oversight in Washington
and on Wall Street
1565
01:38:02,948 --> 01:38:05,940
is exactly what got us
into this mess.
1566
01:38:06,552 --> 01:38:10,852
NARRATOR: After taking office, Obama spoke
of the need to reform the industry.
1567
01:38:11,023 --> 01:38:14,321
We want a risk regulator,
increased capital requirements.
1568
01:38:14,492 --> 01:38:17,120
We need a consumer financial
protection agency.
1569
01:38:17,295 --> 01:38:19,126
We need to change
Wall Street's culture.
1570
01:38:19,764 --> 01:38:22,699
But when finally enacted
in mid-2010,
1571
01:38:22,867 --> 01:38:25,631
the administration's
financial reforms were weak.
1572
01:38:25,803 --> 01:38:29,239
And in some critical areas,
including the rating agencies,
1573
01:38:29,407 --> 01:38:31,671
lobbying and compensation,
1574
01:38:31,842 --> 01:38:34,811
nothing significant
was even proposed.
1575
01:38:34,979 --> 01:38:38,471
Addressing Obama and,
quote, "regulatory reform,"
1576
01:38:38,649 --> 01:38:42,847
my response, if it was
one word, would be "ha."
1577
01:38:43,654 --> 01:38:46,088
There's very little reform.
1578
01:38:46,257 --> 01:38:47,815
INTERVIEWER:
How come?
1579
01:38:48,926 --> 01:38:51,087
It's a Wall Street government.
1580
01:38:53,564 --> 01:38:57,091
NARRATOR: Obama chose Timothy
Geithner as Treasury secretary.
1581
01:38:57,268 --> 01:39:00,032
Geithner was president
of the New York Federal Reserve
1582
01:39:00,204 --> 01:39:03,071
during the crisis,
and a key player in the decision
1583
01:39:03,241 --> 01:39:05,835
to pay Goldman Sachs
100 cents on the dollar
1584
01:39:06,010 --> 01:39:07,910
for it's bets against mortgages.
1585
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:11,071
When Tim Geithner
was testifying
1586
01:39:11,249 --> 01:39:13,479
to be confirmed
as Treasury secretary
1587
01:39:13,651 --> 01:39:16,711
he said,
"I have never been a regulator."
1588
01:39:16,887 --> 01:39:19,481
That said to me
he did not understand his job
1589
01:39:19,657 --> 01:39:21,352
as President of the New York Fed.
1590
01:39:25,696 --> 01:39:28,893
The new President of the
New York Fed is William C. Dudley,
1591
01:39:29,066 --> 01:39:31,591
the former chief economist
of Goldman Sachs
1592
01:39:31,769 --> 01:39:34,932
whose paper with Glenn Hubbard
praised derivatives.
1593
01:39:35,106 --> 01:39:37,506
Geithner's chief of staff
is Mark Patterson,
1594
01:39:37,675 --> 01:39:39,734
a former lobbyist for Goldman.
1595
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:42,435
And one of the senior advisors
is Lewis Sachs,
1596
01:39:42,613 --> 01:39:45,741
who oversaw Tricadia,
a company heavily involved
1597
01:39:45,916 --> 01:39:49,544
in betting against the mortgage
securities it was selling.
1598
01:39:49,886 --> 01:39:52,548
To head the Commodity Futures
Trading Commission,
1599
01:39:52,722 --> 01:39:56,488
Obama picked Gary Gensler,
a former Goldman Sachs executive
1600
01:39:56,660 --> 01:39:59,595
who had helped ban
the regulation of derivatives.
1601
01:39:59,763 --> 01:40:02,061
To run the Securities
and Exchange Commission,
1602
01:40:02,232 --> 01:40:06,168
Obama picked Mary Schapiro,
the former CEO of FINRA,
1603
01:40:06,336 --> 01:40:09,999
the investment banking industry's
self-regulation body.
1604
01:40:10,173 --> 01:40:12,539
Obama's chief of staff,
Rahm Emanuel,
1605
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:17,271
made $320,000 serving
on the board of Freddie Mac.
1606
01:40:17,514 --> 01:40:20,108
Both Martin Feldstein
and Laura Tyson are members
1607
01:40:20,283 --> 01:40:23,878
of Obama's
Economic Recovery Advisory Board.
1608
01:40:24,187 --> 01:40:28,886
And Obama's chief economic
advisor is Larry Summers.
1609
01:40:29,426 --> 01:40:31,257
SPITZER: The most senior
economic advisors
1610
01:40:31,428 --> 01:40:33,988
are the ones who were there,
who built the structure.
1611
01:40:34,264 --> 01:40:36,824
When it was clear
that Summers and Geithner
1612
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:41,437
were going to play major roles
as advisors,
1613
01:40:41,604 --> 01:40:44,140
I knew this was
going to be status quo.
1614
01:40:44,708 --> 01:40:48,405
NARRATOR: The Obama administration
resisted regulation of bank compensation
1615
01:40:48,578 --> 01:40:51,240
even as foreign leaders
took action.
1616
01:40:51,414 --> 01:40:53,780
The financial industry
is a service industry.
1617
01:40:53,950 --> 01:40:57,317
It should serve others
before it serves itself.
1618
01:40:57,787 --> 01:41:00,779
In September of 2009,
Christine Lagarde
1619
01:41:00,957 --> 01:41:03,721
and the finance ministers
of Sweden, the Netherlands,
1620
01:41:03,893 --> 01:41:07,260
Luxembourg, Italy,
Spain and Germany
1621
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:10,729
called for the G20 nations,
including the United States,
1622
01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:14,461
to impose strict regulations
on bank compensation.
1623
01:41:14,637 --> 01:41:16,605
And in July of 2010,
1624
01:41:16,773 --> 01:41:20,766
the European Parliament
enacted those very regulations.
1625
01:41:21,044 --> 01:41:24,274
The Obama administration
had no response.
1626
01:41:24,446 --> 01:41:28,473
Their view is it's a temporary blip
and things will go back to normal.
1627
01:41:28,984 --> 01:41:32,078
That is why I am reappointing him
1628
01:41:32,254 --> 01:41:35,246
as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
Thank you, Ben.
1629
01:41:35,424 --> 01:41:39,258
In 2009, Barack Obama
reappointed Ben Bernanke.
1630
01:41:39,428 --> 01:41:40,622
Thank you, Mr. President.
1631
01:41:42,064 --> 01:41:45,966
As of mid-2010, not a single
senior financial executive
1632
01:41:46,135 --> 01:41:49,127
had been criminally prosecuted,
or even arrested.
1633
01:41:49,304 --> 01:41:51,864
No special prosecutor
had been appointed.
1634
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,838
Not a single firm had been
prosecuted criminally
1635
01:41:55,010 --> 01:41:58,002
for securities fraud
or accounting fraud.
1636
01:41:58,180 --> 01:42:00,705
The Obama administration
has made no attempt
1637
01:42:00,883 --> 01:42:02,680
to recover any compensation
1638
01:42:02,851 --> 01:42:05,877
given to financial executives
during the bubble.
1639
01:42:07,055 --> 01:42:10,388
I certainly would think
of criminal action
1640
01:42:10,559 --> 01:42:14,222
against some of Countrywide's
top leaders, like Mozilo.
1641
01:42:14,396 --> 01:42:17,729
I'd certainly look at Bear Stearns,
Goldman Sachs
1642
01:42:17,900 --> 01:42:20,164
and Lehman Brothers
and Merrill Lynch.
1643
01:42:20,335 --> 01:42:21,461
INTERVIEWER:
For criminal prosecutions?
1644
01:42:21,637 --> 01:42:22,797
Yes.
1645
01:42:22,971 --> 01:42:26,634
INTERVIEWER: In regard to...
Yes. They'd be very hard to win,
1646
01:42:26,875 --> 01:42:32,370
but I think they could do it if they got
enough underlings to tell the truth.
1647
01:42:32,714 --> 01:42:35,547
In an industry
in which drug use, prostitution
1648
01:42:35,717 --> 01:42:38,686
and billing of prostitutes
as a business expense
1649
01:42:38,854 --> 01:42:40,685
occur on an industrial scale,
1650
01:42:40,856 --> 01:42:44,792
it wouldn't be hard to make
people talk if you really wanted to.
1651
01:42:45,227 --> 01:42:48,492
They gave me a plea bargain
and I took it.
1652
01:42:48,664 --> 01:42:50,757
They were not interested
in my records.
1653
01:42:50,933 --> 01:42:52,594
They weren't interested in anything.
1654
01:42:52,768 --> 01:42:54,065
INTERVIEWER:
Not interested in your records?
1655
01:42:54,236 --> 01:42:55,863
That's correct. Correct.
1656
01:42:56,038 --> 01:43:02,203
There's a sensibility that you
don't use people's personal vices
1657
01:43:02,376 --> 01:43:06,278
in the context of Wall Street cases,
necessarily, to get them to flip.
1658
01:43:06,447 --> 01:43:11,817
Maybe after the cataclysms that we've
been through, people will reevaluate.
1659
01:43:11,986 --> 01:43:15,945
I'm not the one to pass judgment
on that right now.
1660
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:34,640
CAPUANO: You come to us today telling
us, "We're sorry, we didn't mean it."
1661
01:43:34,809 --> 01:43:38,006
We won't do it again. Trust us."
1662
01:43:38,179 --> 01:43:41,114
Well, I have some people
in my constituency
1663
01:43:41,282 --> 01:43:43,978
that actually robbed
some of your banks.
1664
01:43:44,151 --> 01:43:46,085
And they say the same thing.
1665
01:43:46,254 --> 01:43:49,314
They're sorry. They didn't mean it.
They won't do it again.
1666
01:43:49,924 --> 01:43:54,793
In 2009, as unemployment hit
it's highest level in 17 years,
1667
01:43:54,962 --> 01:43:58,261
Morgan Stanley paid it's employees
over $ 14 billion,
1668
01:43:58,432 --> 01:44:01,595
and Goldman Sachs paid out
over $ 16 billion.
1669
01:44:01,769 --> 01:44:05,500
In 2010,
bonuses were even higher.
1670
01:44:05,673 --> 01:44:09,131
Why should a financial engineer
be paid
1671
01:44:09,310 --> 01:44:15,476
four times to 100 times more
than a real engineer?
1672
01:44:15,650 --> 01:44:17,811
A real engineer build Bridges.
1673
01:44:17,985 --> 01:44:21,318
A financial engineer build dreams.
1674
01:44:21,489 --> 01:44:25,084
And, you know, when those dreams
turn out to be nightmares,
1675
01:44:25,259 --> 01:44:26,988
other people pay for it.
1676
01:44:29,497 --> 01:44:30,589
For decades,
1677
01:44:30,764 --> 01:44:34,427
the American financial system
was stable and safe.
1678
01:44:34,834 --> 01:44:36,768
But then something changed.
1679
01:44:36,937 --> 01:44:40,270
The financial industry
turned it's back on society,
1680
01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:42,908
corrupted our political system
1681
01:44:43,343 --> 01:44:46,005
and plunged the world economy
into crisis.
1682
01:44:48,014 --> 01:44:50,949
At enormous cost,
we've avoided disaster
1683
01:44:51,251 --> 01:44:53,219
and are recovering.
1684
01:44:53,587 --> 01:44:57,421
But the men and institutions that
caused the crisis are still in power,
1685
01:44:57,591 --> 01:44:59,650
and that needs to change.
1686
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:02,887
They will tell us
that we need them,
1687
01:45:03,063 --> 01:45:07,227
and that what they do is too
complicated for us to understand.
1688
01:45:08,034 --> 01:45:10,298
They will tell us
it won't happen again.
1689
01:45:10,704 --> 01:45:13,969
They will spend billions
fighting reform.
1690
01:45:14,374 --> 01:45:16,433
It won't be easy.
1691
01:45:17,744 --> 01:45:21,373
But some things
are worth fighting for.
1692
01:45:25,285 --> 01:45:27,276
(MGMT'S "CONGRATULATIONS" PLAYS)
1693
01:45:27,286 --> 01:45:32,286
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