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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,383 --> 00:00:17,422 Hey. 2 00:00:17,423 --> 00:00:19,663 Hi. How are you? 3 00:00:24,623 --> 00:00:26,302 Who is this? 4 00:00:26,303 --> 00:00:27,783 Where? 5 00:00:28,743 --> 00:00:29,743 OK. 6 00:00:29,744 --> 00:00:32,982 You know, you are wasted on him. 7 00:00:32,983 --> 00:00:34,862 And you're just wasted, Herman. 8 00:00:34,863 --> 00:00:35,103 Yes. And you're just wasted, Herman. 9 00:00:35,104 --> 00:00:37,702 Yes. 10 00:00:37,703 --> 00:00:37,943 Yes. Well, I used to, um... 11 00:00:37,944 --> 00:00:40,543 Well, I used to, um... 12 00:00:42,943 --> 00:00:44,862 Ric. WOMAN: Mmm. 13 00:00:44,863 --> 00:00:45,103 Ric. RIC: You look amazing. 14 00:00:45,104 --> 00:00:47,423 RIC: You look amazing. 15 00:00:50,863 --> 00:00:53,063 I'll be back in a minute, babe. 16 00:01:09,063 --> 00:01:10,743 Hello? 17 00:01:13,103 --> 00:01:14,463 What's so important? 18 00:02:29,903 --> 00:02:32,022 Still not answering. You sure about this? 19 00:02:32,023 --> 00:02:33,982 It's on our way. We have to do something. 20 00:02:33,983 --> 00:02:34,223 It's on our way. No-one's answering. 21 00:02:34,224 --> 00:02:35,463 No-one's answering. 22 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,022 PIET: Great. 23 00:02:51,023 --> 00:02:52,982 Uh, sorry. We... we tried Lucienne, but... 24 00:02:52,983 --> 00:02:53,223 Uh, sorry. Yep. I got it. 25 00:02:53,224 --> 00:02:55,942 Yep. I got it. 26 00:02:55,943 --> 00:02:56,863 Let's go. 27 00:02:56,864 --> 00:02:58,223 CITRA: Try Hendrik. 28 00:03:05,383 --> 00:03:07,102 Of course I'm a traveller. 29 00:03:07,103 --> 00:03:09,743 Like I said, there's two of us on this horse. 30 00:03:28,023 --> 00:03:29,063 Mate. 31 00:03:32,063 --> 00:03:33,663 Quiet night, all in all. 32 00:03:38,703 --> 00:03:41,142 Oh! Wah! Ahh! 33 00:03:41,143 --> 00:03:42,823 Oh! 34 00:03:47,223 --> 00:03:48,462 Hey! 35 00:03:48,463 --> 00:03:48,703 - Duty calls. - Hey! 36 00:03:48,703 --> 00:03:49,663 Duty calls. Whoa. 37 00:03:49,664 --> 00:03:52,622 OK. Just give me a sec. Alright. 38 00:03:52,623 --> 00:03:52,863 OK. Just give me a sec. You might want to wake your mate. 39 00:03:52,864 --> 00:03:54,182 You might want to wake your mate. 40 00:03:54,183 --> 00:03:56,222 Sorry. I can't remember her name. 41 00:03:56,223 --> 00:03:58,262 No, nor can I. 42 00:03:58,263 --> 00:04:01,142 - How much did we have? - A lot. 43 00:04:01,143 --> 00:04:01,383 How much did we have? Mm-hm. 44 00:04:01,384 --> 00:04:02,543 Mm-hm. 45 00:04:09,823 --> 00:04:12,103 You alright? Always. 46 00:04:17,143 --> 00:04:18,822 LUCIENNE: Do you want to take that? 47 00:04:18,823 --> 00:04:19,863 Nope. 48 00:04:35,263 --> 00:04:36,862 PIET: You don't want to take that? 49 00:04:36,863 --> 00:04:38,983 Nope. Not just now. 50 00:05:10,543 --> 00:05:12,183 Oh... 51 00:05:14,583 --> 00:05:17,142 Victim is Ric van der Molden. Uh, 31. 52 00:05:17,143 --> 00:05:19,662 Body discovered by his girlfriend, Zoe Waterman. 53 00:05:19,663 --> 00:05:21,342 OK. There was a party, right? 54 00:05:21,343 --> 00:05:21,583 Go upstairs. Talk to the guests. OK. There was a party, right? 55 00:05:21,584 --> 00:05:24,742 Go upstairs. Talk to the guests. See if anyone knows anything. 56 00:05:24,743 --> 00:05:24,983 Go upstairs. Talk to the guests. Right. Cause of death? 57 00:05:24,984 --> 00:05:26,662 Right. Cause of death? 58 00:05:26,663 --> 00:05:29,062 Extensive alcohol consumption 59 00:05:29,063 --> 00:05:30,742 following a night out with you two. 60 00:05:30,743 --> 00:05:32,182 Nah. 61 00:05:32,183 --> 00:05:33,183 Hey. 62 00:05:33,184 --> 00:05:36,142 Interesting woman, your friend, Astrid. 63 00:05:36,143 --> 00:05:37,262 PIET: Astrid. HENDRIK: Yeah. 64 00:05:37,263 --> 00:05:37,503 PIET: Astrid. Hand model, apparently. Fascinating. 65 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,702 Hand model, apparently. Fascinating. 66 00:05:40,703 --> 00:05:41,703 Fascinating. 67 00:05:41,704 --> 00:05:43,622 And this body here, please? 68 00:05:43,623 --> 00:05:45,342 Well, technically, stabbing, 69 00:05:45,343 --> 00:05:49,222 though that doesn't quite do this one justice. 70 00:05:49,223 --> 00:05:50,982 Bruising on the entrance wound suggests 71 00:05:50,983 --> 00:05:53,622 intense thrusting action right up to the hilt. 72 00:05:53,623 --> 00:05:53,863 intense thrusting action Ask me about the depth of the wound. 73 00:05:53,864 --> 00:05:55,502 Ask me about the depth of the wound. 74 00:05:55,503 --> 00:05:57,022 How deep was the wound, Hendrik? 75 00:05:57,023 --> 00:05:57,263 Well, funny you should ask. How deep was the wound, Hendrik? 76 00:05:57,264 --> 00:05:58,822 Well, funny you should ask. Hard to be exact. 77 00:05:58,823 --> 00:06:01,582 Depends on how far it came out the other side. 78 00:06:01,583 --> 00:06:04,582 Went through him like a knife through butter. 79 00:06:04,583 --> 00:06:04,823 Went through him PIET: Is that a technical term? 80 00:06:04,824 --> 00:06:06,622 PIET: Is that a technical term? 81 00:06:06,623 --> 00:06:09,422 I don't suppose there's a murder weapon, is there? 82 00:06:09,423 --> 00:06:11,662 Oh, apart from the gaping wound, no. 83 00:06:11,663 --> 00:06:14,542 But I'd hazard a guess - a stab, if you like - 84 00:06:14,543 --> 00:06:17,542 it was withdrawn immediately after impact. 85 00:06:17,543 --> 00:06:20,102 It being...? Well, Christ knows. 86 00:06:20,103 --> 00:06:21,302 I'll tell you what it wasn't. 87 00:06:21,303 --> 00:06:25,822 It wasn't a penknife or a street blade or even a carving knife. 88 00:06:25,823 --> 00:06:27,423 Sword? 89 00:06:28,543 --> 00:06:31,902 Now you're talking my language. That is always a bad sign. 90 00:06:31,903 --> 00:06:34,423 Time of death? Now, that, I CAN help you with. 91 00:06:35,623 --> 00:06:39,022 Between 5:30am and 5:42am. 92 00:06:39,023 --> 00:06:42,022 Good. Impressive. Very, uh, specific. 93 00:06:42,023 --> 00:06:43,622 HENDRIK: Well, on the one hand, 94 00:06:43,623 --> 00:06:46,262 pathology is an exact and specific science. 95 00:06:46,263 --> 00:06:48,782 And on the other? Eddie told me. 96 00:06:48,783 --> 00:06:50,502 According to various guests, 97 00:06:50,503 --> 00:06:50,743 5:30 is when the victim was seen According to various guests, 98 00:06:50,744 --> 00:06:54,742 5:30 is when the victim was seen going outside to make a phone call. 99 00:06:54,743 --> 00:06:56,782 5:42 is when his girlfriend found him down here. 100 00:06:56,783 --> 00:06:59,022 They could, of course, all be lying through their teeth, 101 00:06:59,023 --> 00:07:01,942 but it is consistent with the body temperature, 102 00:07:01,943 --> 00:07:04,862 the developing rigor mortis and hypostasis. 103 00:07:04,863 --> 00:07:08,303 LUCIENNE: Right. We'll see what his partner has to say, then, shall we? 104 00:07:10,543 --> 00:07:12,942 Ric took a call, 105 00:07:12,943 --> 00:07:14,622 said it wouldn't be a minute. 106 00:07:14,623 --> 00:07:16,382 Did he say who the call was from? 107 00:07:16,383 --> 00:07:17,702 Nope. 108 00:07:17,703 --> 00:07:19,782 Was there any trouble at the party? 109 00:07:19,783 --> 00:07:20,023 I mean, anyone acting strange? Was there any trouble at the party? 110 00:07:20,024 --> 00:07:22,862 I mean, anyone acting strange? ZOE: No. 111 00:07:22,863 --> 00:07:23,103 I mean, anyone acting strange? Nothing. 112 00:07:23,104 --> 00:07:25,062 Nothing. 113 00:07:25,063 --> 00:07:26,622 He... 114 00:07:26,623 --> 00:07:30,462 ..when he didn't come back, I went looking for him. 115 00:07:30,463 --> 00:07:31,902 He was just lying there. 116 00:07:31,903 --> 00:07:33,822 We'll need to notify next of kin. 117 00:07:33,823 --> 00:07:36,222 Are his family local? 118 00:07:36,223 --> 00:07:37,782 Uh, Rotterdam. 119 00:07:37,783 --> 00:07:39,022 I can give you details. 120 00:07:39,023 --> 00:07:41,302 Whose apartment is it? ZOE: Mine. 121 00:07:41,303 --> 00:07:46,222 We were celebrating Ric's latest exhibition launch. 122 00:07:46,223 --> 00:07:46,463 We were celebrating He's a... 123 00:07:46,464 --> 00:07:48,022 He's a... 124 00:07:48,023 --> 00:07:50,622 ..curator at the culture museum. 125 00:07:50,623 --> 00:07:52,622 We both work there. 126 00:07:52,623 --> 00:07:54,542 His exhibition just opened. 127 00:07:54,543 --> 00:07:56,182 Exhibition? 128 00:07:56,183 --> 00:07:58,383 Colonialism and Restitution. 129 00:08:00,823 --> 00:08:02,382 EDDIE: Did you see anything suspicious? 130 00:08:02,383 --> 00:08:04,622 Well, the alcohol was running out, if that's what you mean. 131 00:08:04,623 --> 00:08:06,182 It wasn't. 132 00:08:06,183 --> 00:08:07,982 Well, it bloody was. I mean, I started necking empties. 133 00:08:07,983 --> 00:08:10,942 Yeah, I mean it wasn't really the information I was looking for. 134 00:08:10,943 --> 00:08:11,183 Yeah, I mean it wasn't really Uh... 135 00:08:11,184 --> 00:08:12,582 Uh... 136 00:08:12,583 --> 00:08:14,143 Alright. 137 00:08:15,703 --> 00:08:19,982 Like I said, as soon as Ric van der Molden took his call, 138 00:08:19,983 --> 00:08:21,622 I chatted with his girlfriend. 139 00:08:21,623 --> 00:08:22,982 And then what? 140 00:08:22,983 --> 00:08:25,022 I mingled, you know? 141 00:08:25,023 --> 00:08:26,742 I'm a social butterfly. 142 00:08:26,743 --> 00:08:29,142 I like to... flit. 143 00:08:29,143 --> 00:08:31,742 With anyone in particular? Nope. 144 00:08:31,743 --> 00:08:33,742 So, no-one can vouch for your exact whereabouts? 145 00:08:33,743 --> 00:08:33,983 So, no-one can vouch No. 146 00:08:33,984 --> 00:08:35,022 No. 147 00:08:35,023 --> 00:08:36,942 Unless they were stalking me. 148 00:08:36,943 --> 00:08:38,743 That would be fun, wouldn't it? 149 00:08:39,703 --> 00:08:42,702 Can I see the body? 150 00:08:42,703 --> 00:08:44,542 I just... I want to pay my respects. 151 00:08:44,543 --> 00:08:46,622 How did he die? Strangled? 152 00:08:46,623 --> 00:08:48,502 No? Gunshot? 153 00:08:48,503 --> 00:08:49,662 Was it sudden? 154 00:08:49,663 --> 00:08:51,782 You do know these are really odd questions, right? 155 00:08:51,783 --> 00:08:52,023 You do know these are No, not really. No. 156 00:08:52,024 --> 00:08:53,462 No, not really. No. 157 00:08:53,463 --> 00:08:56,862 I mean, death is fascinating, don't you think? 158 00:08:56,863 --> 00:08:59,743 It's the greatest leveller of them all. 159 00:09:01,143 --> 00:09:04,662 So, how do you know Mr Van der Molden? 160 00:09:04,663 --> 00:09:04,903 So, how do you know We're both in the museum game. 161 00:09:04,904 --> 00:09:06,422 We're both in the museum game. 162 00:09:06,423 --> 00:09:06,663 Although Ric likes to think he's a We're both in the museum game. 163 00:09:06,664 --> 00:09:10,062 Although Ric likes to think he's a cut above, if you know what I mean. 164 00:09:10,063 --> 00:09:10,303 Although Ric likes to think he's a But, no, I run my own, so... 165 00:09:10,304 --> 00:09:11,742 But, no, I run my own, so... 166 00:09:11,743 --> 00:09:13,222 ..free tickets any time you want to... 167 00:09:13,223 --> 00:09:15,742 Oh... ..come on by. 168 00:09:15,743 --> 00:09:17,543 Your loss. 169 00:09:19,703 --> 00:09:21,942 CITRA: We're taking names and info, but nothing concrete so far. 170 00:09:21,943 --> 00:09:23,782 The basement isn't accessible from the outside, 171 00:09:23,783 --> 00:09:26,022 so it must have been someone from the party. 172 00:09:26,023 --> 00:09:28,262 But, then, what about the phone call? 173 00:09:28,263 --> 00:09:29,342 Unless it was someone 174 00:09:29,343 --> 00:09:31,102 from a different apartment in the same building. 175 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:31,343 from a different apartment Great. 176 00:09:31,343 --> 00:09:32,103 Great. 177 00:09:32,103 --> 00:09:32,343 Phone call implies whoever killed him Great. 178 00:09:32,344 --> 00:09:35,462 Phone call implies whoever killed him probably wasn't at the party. 179 00:09:35,463 --> 00:09:38,942 Get Tech on it. See if we can find out who made that call. 180 00:09:38,943 --> 00:09:42,742 Talk to them all again. Check the cameras on the street and entrance. 181 00:09:42,743 --> 00:09:44,263 Let's go to the museum. Alright. 182 00:09:52,223 --> 00:09:54,822 And Zoe, how is she? As you'd expect. 183 00:09:54,823 --> 00:09:55,063 And Zoe, how is she? Upset. 184 00:09:55,064 --> 00:09:56,622 Upset. 185 00:09:56,623 --> 00:09:58,303 It's just... just so... 186 00:10:00,223 --> 00:10:02,222 Ric had such a brilliant mind. 187 00:10:02,223 --> 00:10:03,702 He... 188 00:10:03,703 --> 00:10:05,303 We gather there was a launch. 189 00:10:06,663 --> 00:10:08,422 Our latest exhibition. 190 00:10:08,423 --> 00:10:10,822 Ric's. 191 00:10:10,823 --> 00:10:13,222 Interesting exhibition. 192 00:10:13,223 --> 00:10:14,382 Timely. 193 00:10:14,383 --> 00:10:16,782 I couldn't agree more. 194 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:20,622 Thankfully, the government has decided to step in 195 00:10:20,623 --> 00:10:23,862 and return objects that this country commandeered 196 00:10:23,863 --> 00:10:25,142 in our colonial past. 197 00:10:25,143 --> 00:10:27,302 Yeah. Theft, some might say. 198 00:10:27,303 --> 00:10:29,702 Not one to mince words, then? 199 00:10:29,703 --> 00:10:32,022 Not his strong point, no. 200 00:10:32,023 --> 00:10:34,502 And are all of these items going back? 201 00:10:34,503 --> 00:10:36,342 Uh, no, not all of them. 202 00:10:36,343 --> 00:10:40,582 In consultation, we're trying to strike a balance between 203 00:10:40,583 --> 00:10:44,342 returning and maintaining them for our educational program. 204 00:10:44,343 --> 00:10:44,583 returning and maintaining them Is anyone opposed to their return? 205 00:10:44,584 --> 00:10:46,462 Is anyone opposed to their return? 206 00:10:46,463 --> 00:10:47,503 Yes. 207 00:10:48,743 --> 00:10:50,022 Ric. 208 00:10:50,023 --> 00:10:52,742 Colonial history was his area. 209 00:10:52,743 --> 00:10:52,983 So, when the board decided on this Colonial history was his area. 210 00:10:52,984 --> 00:10:57,262 So, when the board decided on this exhibition, it was his to curate. 211 00:10:57,263 --> 00:10:59,502 He was... less than happy 212 00:10:59,503 --> 00:11:02,062 about seeing the collection being broken up. 213 00:11:02,063 --> 00:11:04,582 Because he didn't agree with restitution? 214 00:11:04,583 --> 00:11:07,062 The way he saw it, 215 00:11:07,063 --> 00:11:11,222 if museums start giving things back that were taken centuries ago, 216 00:11:11,223 --> 00:11:11,463 if museums start giving things back they'll be empty. 217 00:11:11,464 --> 00:11:12,902 they'll be empty. 218 00:11:12,903 --> 00:11:15,502 Well, that's not really the point, is it? 219 00:11:15,503 --> 00:11:15,743 Well, that's not really I don't think so. 220 00:11:15,744 --> 00:11:17,502 I don't think so. 221 00:11:17,503 --> 00:11:20,422 And nor does the museum. 222 00:11:20,423 --> 00:11:25,302 But Ric wasn't one for correcting the sins of the past. 223 00:11:25,303 --> 00:11:25,543 But Ric wasn't one And Miss Waterman? 224 00:11:25,544 --> 00:11:26,742 And Miss Waterman? 225 00:11:26,743 --> 00:11:29,182 Totally different. 226 00:11:29,183 --> 00:11:30,742 They hadn't been together long. 227 00:11:30,743 --> 00:11:33,343 And, to be honest, I didn't get them. 228 00:11:36,463 --> 00:11:38,383 Opposites attract, they say. 229 00:11:39,343 --> 00:11:41,662 So, did Ric make a lot of enemies, then? 230 00:11:41,663 --> 00:11:41,903 So, did Ric make Not enemies. 231 00:11:41,904 --> 00:11:43,022 Not enemies. 232 00:11:43,023 --> 00:11:46,982 Amsterdam is built on accepting alternate views, right? 233 00:11:46,983 --> 00:11:48,142 Yep. 234 00:11:48,143 --> 00:11:50,022 Sometimes. 235 00:11:50,023 --> 00:11:52,782 The name reads "E. van der Molden". 236 00:11:52,783 --> 00:11:54,982 Not 'R'. Why is that? 237 00:11:54,983 --> 00:11:57,422 Ric's full name is Eric. 238 00:11:57,423 --> 00:12:00,023 But everyone knew him as Ric. 239 00:12:05,823 --> 00:12:08,142 OK. That was Tech. 240 00:12:08,143 --> 00:12:11,502 Victim's last phone call made from an unregistered phone, 241 00:12:11,503 --> 00:12:12,902 but they've traced the number to the NEMO. 242 00:12:12,903 --> 00:12:13,143 but they've traced the number That's round the corner. 243 00:12:13,144 --> 00:12:14,422 That's round the corner. 244 00:12:14,423 --> 00:12:16,223 So, what are we waiting for? You. 245 00:12:17,183 --> 00:12:20,982 What's your problem with his name? Ric, instead of Eric. 246 00:12:20,983 --> 00:12:24,662 Worked on a case in Rotterdam almost 20 years ago. 247 00:12:24,663 --> 00:12:27,662 Involved a kid called Eric van der Molden. 248 00:12:27,663 --> 00:12:27,903 Involved a kid What were you doing in Rotterdam? 249 00:12:27,904 --> 00:12:29,702 What were you doing in Rotterdam? 250 00:12:29,703 --> 00:12:29,943 Thought you got a nosebleed if you What were you doing in Rotterdam? 251 00:12:29,944 --> 00:12:32,782 Thought you got a nosebleed if you so much as stepped out of Amsterdam. 252 00:12:32,783 --> 00:12:33,023 Thought you got a nosebleed if you I was seconded there early on. 253 00:12:33,024 --> 00:12:35,263 I was seconded there early on. 254 00:12:37,063 --> 00:12:39,303 Not everyone's a fan of the exhibition, then. 255 00:12:43,823 --> 00:12:47,302 Belong to the RAA, who promote the restitution of ancient artefacts. 256 00:12:47,303 --> 00:12:47,543 Belong to the RAA, who promote the Alright. Check 'em out. 257 00:12:47,544 --> 00:12:49,103 Alright. Check 'em out. 258 00:12:56,823 --> 00:12:58,262 Triangulation of telephone masts 259 00:12:58,263 --> 00:13:00,743 would indicate the phone was left somewhere around here. 260 00:13:08,303 --> 00:13:09,862 Citra? Yeah. 261 00:13:09,863 --> 00:13:10,103 Citra? Think I've got something. 262 00:13:10,104 --> 00:13:11,463 Think I've got something. 263 00:13:15,903 --> 00:13:17,942 Yeah. We found the phone. 264 00:13:17,943 --> 00:13:19,342 OK. 265 00:13:19,343 --> 00:13:21,143 Yeah. We're coming now. 266 00:13:27,383 --> 00:13:29,102 PIET: Ric van der Molden. 267 00:13:29,103 --> 00:13:30,502 Not particularly well-liked. 268 00:13:30,503 --> 00:13:32,982 Opposed the repatriation of cultural artefacts. 269 00:13:32,983 --> 00:13:35,222 Yeah, which the RAA lobby for. 270 00:13:35,223 --> 00:13:36,982 Restorative justice. 271 00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:37,223 CITRA: Restorative justice. 272 00:13:37,224 --> 00:13:38,502 CITRA: Which is a right, not a choice. 273 00:13:38,503 --> 00:13:40,302 LUCIENNE: Points out it's not just us. 274 00:13:40,303 --> 00:13:40,543 LUCIENNE: Mentions the Elgin Marbles... 275 00:13:40,544 --> 00:13:41,662 Mentions the Elgin Marbles... 276 00:13:41,663 --> 00:13:43,382 ..the Benin Bronzes. 277 00:13:43,383 --> 00:13:45,302 CITRA: Cultural objects belong to the culture that created them, 278 00:13:45,303 --> 00:13:45,543 CITRA: Cultural objects belong to not you. 279 00:13:45,544 --> 00:13:46,582 not you. 280 00:13:46,583 --> 00:13:49,063 There's an address. We'll check it out. 281 00:13:55,303 --> 00:13:57,902 LUCIENNE: You OK? What is it? 282 00:13:57,903 --> 00:14:01,862 It's... Van der Molden's family address. 283 00:14:01,863 --> 00:14:02,103 It's... Van der Molden's It's Rotterdam. 284 00:14:02,104 --> 00:14:03,742 It's Rotterdam. 285 00:14:03,743 --> 00:14:06,662 He's the same Eric van der Molden I met 19 years ago. 286 00:14:06,663 --> 00:14:06,903 He's the same Eric van der Molden LUCIENNE: And what was the case? 287 00:14:06,904 --> 00:14:08,263 LUCIENNE: And what was the case? 288 00:14:09,263 --> 00:14:11,023 Jasmijn Brahm. 289 00:14:12,263 --> 00:14:14,142 You worked on that? 290 00:14:14,143 --> 00:14:14,383 Yep. You worked on that? 291 00:14:14,384 --> 00:14:15,743 Yep. EDDIE: What case? 292 00:14:16,703 --> 00:14:18,942 Before your time, I guess. Yeah. Before mine too. 293 00:14:18,943 --> 00:14:21,182 But I remember reading about it. 294 00:14:21,183 --> 00:14:22,542 Uh, Jasmijn Brahm. 295 00:14:22,543 --> 00:14:24,182 Teenager. She was 16. 296 00:14:24,183 --> 00:14:26,702 LUCIENNE: Killed her two younger brothers in cold blood, 297 00:14:26,703 --> 00:14:29,462 Carl and Jonas, 10 and 12. 298 00:14:29,463 --> 00:14:29,703 Set fire to the house Carl and Jonas, 10 and 12. 299 00:14:29,704 --> 00:14:31,102 Set fire to the house with them in it. 300 00:14:31,103 --> 00:14:34,382 While she stood there and watched, as the fire took them. 301 00:14:34,383 --> 00:14:38,222 General consensus being because she was the devil incarnate. 302 00:14:38,223 --> 00:14:41,663 The newspapers went crazy. She was public enemy number one, alright. 303 00:14:42,823 --> 00:14:44,223 So, who was Eric? 304 00:14:46,663 --> 00:14:49,022 He was the kid next door. 305 00:14:49,023 --> 00:14:51,702 The brothers were his best friends. 306 00:14:51,703 --> 00:14:53,382 Um, he saw her do it. 307 00:14:53,383 --> 00:14:56,942 His statement was a crucial part of putting her away. 308 00:14:56,943 --> 00:14:59,582 I'm assuming they locked HER up and threw away the key? 309 00:14:59,583 --> 00:15:03,182 No, she was put on various programs, different institutions. 310 00:15:03,183 --> 00:15:05,622 She was released seven years ago. 311 00:15:05,623 --> 00:15:07,542 She got a new name, 312 00:15:07,543 --> 00:15:09,143 new life. 313 00:15:10,783 --> 00:15:12,103 New suspect. 314 00:15:21,863 --> 00:15:23,383 Mama! 315 00:15:32,063 --> 00:15:33,702 Hey, Jan? It's Piet. 316 00:15:33,703 --> 00:15:35,822 JAN: Piet? Van der Valk? 317 00:15:35,823 --> 00:15:38,662 Yes, mate. The very same. 318 00:15:38,663 --> 00:15:38,903 I know. Yes, mate. The very same. 319 00:15:38,904 --> 00:15:40,702 I know. It's been a long time, hasn't it? 320 00:15:40,703 --> 00:15:42,222 JAN: Too long. Look. 321 00:15:42,223 --> 00:15:45,822 I was just wondering, uh, can we meet up for a coffee? 322 00:15:45,823 --> 00:15:46,063 I was just wondering, uh, JAN: Sure. Any time, mate. 323 00:15:46,064 --> 00:15:47,542 JAN: Sure. Any time, mate. 324 00:15:47,543 --> 00:15:49,142 OK. 325 00:15:49,143 --> 00:15:50,742 JAN: Yep. Yep. I might even pay for it. 326 00:15:50,743 --> 00:15:50,983 JAN: Yep. Yep. Alright. I'll look forward to it. 327 00:15:50,984 --> 00:15:52,983 Alright. I'll look forward to it. 328 00:16:06,303 --> 00:16:07,502 Yep. 329 00:16:07,503 --> 00:16:08,503 Yep. 330 00:16:09,983 --> 00:16:12,302 PIET: Yeah. Good girl. 331 00:16:12,303 --> 00:16:15,022 Good girl. How you doing? 332 00:16:15,023 --> 00:16:16,822 Alright? 333 00:16:16,823 --> 00:16:19,023 You look beautiful. 334 00:16:20,623 --> 00:16:22,302 All good? JULIA: Yeah. 335 00:16:22,303 --> 00:16:24,822 I was until you came in behaving weirdly. What do you want? 336 00:16:24,823 --> 00:16:28,142 Oh, just to fill you in on a murder that happened this morning. 337 00:16:28,143 --> 00:16:30,662 Piet, you never want to fill me in on any murder that happens, 338 00:16:30,663 --> 00:16:34,102 not this morning, any other morning, afternoon or evening. 339 00:16:34,103 --> 00:16:36,062 So, what's so different about this one? 340 00:16:36,063 --> 00:16:37,302 Connection. 341 00:16:37,303 --> 00:16:39,103 To Jasmijn Brahm. 342 00:16:40,063 --> 00:16:42,742 The victim's the kid who lived next door, 343 00:16:42,743 --> 00:16:44,983 Eric van der Molden. 344 00:16:46,663 --> 00:16:48,622 Who gave evidence against her. 345 00:16:48,623 --> 00:16:50,863 Coincidence? Don't know. 346 00:16:51,823 --> 00:16:53,422 I need to know where she is. 347 00:16:53,423 --> 00:16:56,142 Released under a new identity, last I heard. 348 00:16:56,143 --> 00:16:56,383 Released under a new identity, Correct. 349 00:16:56,383 --> 00:16:57,343 Correct. 350 00:16:57,344 --> 00:17:00,822 But I need to know who as, and I need to speak to her. 351 00:17:00,823 --> 00:17:02,342 You don't ask much, do you? 352 00:17:02,343 --> 00:17:03,902 Well, needs must and all that. 353 00:17:03,903 --> 00:17:06,702 I mean, if she's got a watertight alibi, 354 00:17:06,703 --> 00:17:08,662 she's got nothing to worry about, has she? 355 00:17:08,663 --> 00:17:10,502 This isn't gonna go down well with her handlers, 356 00:17:10,503 --> 00:17:10,743 This isn't gonna let alone her legal team. 357 00:17:10,744 --> 00:17:12,222 let alone her legal team. 358 00:17:12,223 --> 00:17:13,943 I've got every confidence in you. 359 00:17:15,223 --> 00:17:19,142 They'll argue it into the ground, but leave it with me. 360 00:17:19,143 --> 00:17:19,383 They'll argue it into the ground, PIET: Oh, and, uh... 361 00:17:19,384 --> 00:17:21,382 PIET: Oh, and, uh... 362 00:17:21,383 --> 00:17:23,982 ..I thought I might meet up with Jan. 363 00:17:23,983 --> 00:17:25,462 If that's OK with you. 364 00:17:25,463 --> 00:17:28,823 Would it make any difference if I said no? 365 00:17:29,783 --> 00:17:31,463 No. 366 00:17:32,423 --> 00:17:33,663 There you go, then. 367 00:17:36,743 --> 00:17:38,582 EDDIE: You seem pretty up on restitution. 368 00:17:38,583 --> 00:17:38,823 EDDIE: You think? 369 00:17:38,823 --> 00:17:39,743 You think? 370 00:17:39,744 --> 00:17:41,662 Is it 'cause it's close to your heart? 371 00:17:41,663 --> 00:17:43,983 Maybe. Maybe not. 372 00:17:45,103 --> 00:17:46,103 What do you mean? 373 00:17:46,104 --> 00:17:48,062 Because I'm Indonesian, I have to have a take on it? 374 00:17:48,063 --> 00:17:49,782 EDDIE: No, no, I'm not... not saying that. 375 00:17:49,783 --> 00:17:52,022 I mean, it's... it's a hot issue, right? 376 00:17:52,023 --> 00:17:53,462 Maybe you just... 377 00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:53,703 Maybe you just... ..read a couple articles on it. 378 00:17:53,704 --> 00:17:55,342 ..read a couple articles on it. 379 00:17:55,343 --> 00:17:56,343 Yeah. 380 00:17:57,783 --> 00:17:59,622 Hello? EDDIE: We're looking for the RAA. 381 00:17:59,623 --> 00:18:03,102 For the Restitution of Ancient Artefacts. 382 00:18:03,103 --> 00:18:04,982 You've found her. 383 00:18:04,983 --> 00:18:06,942 Is the RAA just you? 384 00:18:06,943 --> 00:18:10,302 Me and my 17,506 followers. 385 00:18:10,303 --> 00:18:11,702 Impressive. Thanks. 386 00:18:11,703 --> 00:18:13,422 CITRA: And is that all you do? 387 00:18:13,423 --> 00:18:15,022 Do you just police? 388 00:18:15,023 --> 00:18:17,262 Uh... yeah. 389 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:19,222 Well, for your information, 390 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:19,463 Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, Well, for your information, 391 00:18:19,464 --> 00:18:23,742 Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, I work in a hotel. 392 00:18:23,743 --> 00:18:27,262 Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, I repair bikes at a bike shop. 393 00:18:27,263 --> 00:18:27,503 Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, And Sunday? 394 00:18:27,503 --> 00:18:28,503 And Sunday? 395 00:18:30,423 --> 00:18:32,103 Campaigning. 396 00:18:34,783 --> 00:18:35,902 EDDIE: Hm. 397 00:18:35,903 --> 00:18:38,102 Like a bit of spray painting, do we? 398 00:18:38,103 --> 00:18:40,582 You do know defacing public property is an offence? 399 00:18:40,583 --> 00:18:42,342 CITRA: It is fair to assume you're the person 400 00:18:42,343 --> 00:18:45,262 that graffitied and leafleted outside the culture museum? 401 00:18:45,263 --> 00:18:45,503 that graffitied and leafleted Guilty as charged. 402 00:18:45,504 --> 00:18:46,822 Guilty as charged. 403 00:18:46,823 --> 00:18:49,582 Please arrest and charge me, as it will be so good for my profile. 404 00:18:49,583 --> 00:18:50,702 EDDIE: That depends on the charge. 405 00:18:50,703 --> 00:18:53,222 Ric van der Molden. You familiar with him? 406 00:18:53,223 --> 00:18:56,222 The scuzzball with his fake exhibition? Yeah. 407 00:18:56,223 --> 00:18:57,942 What's your problem with the exhibition? 408 00:18:57,943 --> 00:18:59,622 It's a sham. 409 00:18:59,623 --> 00:19:02,102 They're not really giving anything back, you know? 410 00:19:02,103 --> 00:19:05,062 And behind the scenes, Van der Molden is resisting the whole thing. 411 00:19:05,063 --> 00:19:07,662 On what grounds? Anything he can think of. 412 00:19:07,663 --> 00:19:11,582 That... that museums in Indonesia aren't big enough to show them, 413 00:19:11,583 --> 00:19:14,382 that the temperature there isn't right and they will be damaged, 414 00:19:14,383 --> 00:19:18,142 that their educational value would be better served here. 415 00:19:18,143 --> 00:19:20,902 How far would you go to fight for your cause? 416 00:19:20,903 --> 00:19:21,143 How far would you go How far you got? 417 00:19:21,144 --> 00:19:22,343 How far you got? 418 00:19:24,783 --> 00:19:26,062 The man's racist! 419 00:19:26,063 --> 00:19:28,182 He's also dead. 420 00:19:28,183 --> 00:19:30,262 Stabbed, 5:30 this morning. 421 00:19:30,263 --> 00:19:31,543 Where were you then? 422 00:19:32,983 --> 00:19:35,342 Here. I was just updating my social media. 423 00:19:35,343 --> 00:19:35,583 Here. I was just updating You can check it out if you want. 424 00:19:35,584 --> 00:19:37,222 You can check it out if you want. 425 00:19:37,223 --> 00:19:38,502 EDDIE: We will. 426 00:19:38,503 --> 00:19:40,502 Be good if you could prove it, though. 427 00:19:40,503 --> 00:19:40,743 Be good Can you? 428 00:19:40,744 --> 00:19:42,342 Can you? 429 00:19:42,343 --> 00:19:43,862 I am single. 430 00:19:43,863 --> 00:19:45,422 I live here alone. 431 00:19:45,423 --> 00:19:45,663 Can you prove where you were I live here alone. 432 00:19:45,664 --> 00:19:48,183 Can you prove where you were at 5am this morning? 433 00:19:56,463 --> 00:19:57,942 Piet. 434 00:19:57,943 --> 00:20:00,222 Jan. You've aged well. 435 00:20:00,223 --> 00:20:00,463 Jan. Oh! 436 00:20:00,464 --> 00:20:01,503 Oh! 437 00:20:04,503 --> 00:20:06,702 I think the ice-cream helps. 438 00:20:06,703 --> 00:20:08,503 Gives the illusion of youth. 439 00:20:10,023 --> 00:20:12,342 You should try it. You saying I look old? 440 00:20:12,343 --> 00:20:15,622 Oh, there's a... little bit more grey in the beard. 441 00:20:15,623 --> 00:20:17,222 Yeah. I can't seem to slow that down. 442 00:20:17,223 --> 00:20:17,463 Yeah. It's good to see you. 443 00:20:17,464 --> 00:20:19,382 It's good to see you. 444 00:20:19,383 --> 00:20:21,143 Married with children, yeah? 445 00:20:22,503 --> 00:20:24,222 You never were one for a private life. 446 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:24,463 You never were one Shame. 447 00:20:24,464 --> 00:20:25,582 Shame. 448 00:20:25,583 --> 00:20:27,622 Some things never change, though, eh? 449 00:20:27,623 --> 00:20:28,583 No. 450 00:20:28,584 --> 00:20:30,423 People keep killing people. 451 00:20:31,983 --> 00:20:33,463 Which is why I'm here. 452 00:20:35,063 --> 00:20:36,543 Jasmijn Brahm. 453 00:20:38,503 --> 00:20:41,782 Do you know what happened to her, after her release? 454 00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:44,102 She started a new life in Groningen, I hear. 455 00:20:44,103 --> 00:20:44,343 She started a new life Reformed character, by all accounts. 456 00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:46,582 Reformed character, by all accounts. 457 00:20:46,583 --> 00:20:47,742 Why? 458 00:20:47,743 --> 00:20:50,182 You remember the kid next door? 459 00:20:50,183 --> 00:20:52,582 Eric van der Molden? 460 00:20:52,583 --> 00:20:54,183 He's been killed. 461 00:20:56,463 --> 00:20:58,862 You're going back nearly 20 years. 462 00:20:58,863 --> 00:21:00,983 You seriously think she might be responsible? 463 00:21:03,023 --> 00:21:06,623 I mean, his testimony was part of the reason she was convicted. 464 00:21:07,583 --> 00:21:09,982 That and her confession, 465 00:21:09,983 --> 00:21:11,822 and the fact that she was drunk 466 00:21:11,823 --> 00:21:13,382 and was heard earlier in the day 467 00:21:13,383 --> 00:21:15,862 telling her siblings she wanted to kill them. 468 00:21:15,863 --> 00:21:18,862 She used her time behind bars wisely, 469 00:21:18,863 --> 00:21:21,902 did an MA degree in theology, 470 00:21:21,903 --> 00:21:25,462 then another in psychology, then a PhD, which was published. 471 00:21:25,463 --> 00:21:25,703 then another in psychology, Guess what it was about? 472 00:21:25,704 --> 00:21:27,942 Guess what it was about? 473 00:21:27,943 --> 00:21:30,223 The treatment of juvenile offenders. 474 00:21:33,263 --> 00:21:35,103 Takes one to know one, I guess. 475 00:21:37,903 --> 00:21:40,542 You clearly followed her case. 476 00:21:40,543 --> 00:21:42,023 JAN: I couldn't... 477 00:21:43,063 --> 00:21:44,423 That case. 478 00:21:46,663 --> 00:21:50,502 I couldn't ever... I couldn't ever shake it off. 479 00:21:50,503 --> 00:21:51,662 I couldn't. 480 00:21:51,663 --> 00:21:53,463 Oh, you know. 481 00:21:57,143 --> 00:22:00,862 I can still smell her brothers' burnt bodies, even now. 482 00:22:00,863 --> 00:22:02,383 It's with me even now. 483 00:22:03,783 --> 00:22:05,543 You? 484 00:22:07,903 --> 00:22:09,023 Yeah, um... 485 00:22:10,183 --> 00:22:12,542 ..I don't think you ever forget it. 486 00:22:12,543 --> 00:22:13,982 JAN: I remember that. 487 00:22:13,983 --> 00:22:16,423 I remember her lack of remorse. 488 00:22:19,023 --> 00:22:20,703 You still think she was innocent? 489 00:22:22,703 --> 00:22:25,023 I don't know. 490 00:22:27,423 --> 00:22:29,622 You still think she's evil? 491 00:22:29,623 --> 00:22:31,862 You can have all the degrees in the world. 492 00:22:31,863 --> 00:22:33,822 A leopard doesn't change its spots. 493 00:22:33,823 --> 00:22:34,063 PIET: A leopard doesn't change its spots. 494 00:22:34,064 --> 00:22:36,342 PIET: She's been given a new identity. 495 00:22:36,343 --> 00:22:38,903 I mean, presumably, she has a handler. 496 00:22:41,223 --> 00:22:42,502 You got any idea who? 497 00:22:42,503 --> 00:22:42,743 That kind of information's You got any idea who? 498 00:22:42,744 --> 00:22:45,142 That kind of information's above my pay grade. 499 00:22:45,143 --> 00:22:45,383 That kind of information's You'd need Julia for that one. 500 00:22:45,384 --> 00:22:46,743 You'd need Julia for that one. 501 00:22:48,303 --> 00:22:49,822 How is she? 502 00:22:49,823 --> 00:22:51,502 Yeah, she's... she's good. 503 00:22:51,503 --> 00:22:53,502 She's got a dog. 504 00:22:53,503 --> 00:22:55,183 She said to say hello. 505 00:22:56,263 --> 00:22:58,022 You never could lie, Piet. 506 00:22:58,023 --> 00:22:59,703 Never. 507 00:23:00,663 --> 00:23:03,462 What about you? Yeah. 508 00:23:03,463 --> 00:23:05,023 That's my brood over there. 509 00:23:10,663 --> 00:23:12,422 Eddie and Citra got anything? Yeah. 510 00:23:12,423 --> 00:23:15,022 Johanna Kolen, the youth that runs the RAA, 511 00:23:15,023 --> 00:23:18,702 admits to the graffiti and loathed Ric van der Molden. 512 00:23:18,703 --> 00:23:20,942 They bringing her in? Keeping an eye. 513 00:23:20,943 --> 00:23:22,822 Her alibi checks out. 514 00:23:22,823 --> 00:23:25,102 She was on her phone at the time of the murder. Nowhere near the scene. 515 00:23:25,103 --> 00:23:27,102 Could have had an accomplice. That's true. 516 00:23:27,103 --> 00:23:28,542 We're not gonna rule her out. 517 00:23:28,543 --> 00:23:31,342 Greetings, live people. 518 00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:33,422 Greetings. What have you got? 519 00:23:33,423 --> 00:23:37,942 Autopsy and analysis threw some clarity on the murder weapon. 520 00:23:37,943 --> 00:23:42,262 Judging from the splinters left in the wound, hilt made of wood. 521 00:23:42,263 --> 00:23:44,462 Blade? HENDRIK: Silver. 522 00:23:44,463 --> 00:23:44,703 Blade? And very, very sharp. 523 00:23:44,704 --> 00:23:46,742 And very, very sharp. 524 00:23:46,743 --> 00:23:49,142 Not for shaving, that's for sure. 525 00:23:49,143 --> 00:23:51,742 The sort of thing usually found 526 00:23:51,743 --> 00:23:54,263 in a museum, perhaps. 527 00:24:20,463 --> 00:24:22,503 PIET: Sorry to interrupt. 528 00:24:24,303 --> 00:24:25,982 Didn't expect you to be in work today. 529 00:24:25,983 --> 00:24:26,223 Didn't expect you Nor did I. 530 00:24:26,224 --> 00:24:28,342 Nor did I. 531 00:24:28,343 --> 00:24:29,782 And she shouldn't be. 532 00:24:29,783 --> 00:24:31,302 I'll take her home as soon as she'll let me. 533 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:31,543 I'll take her home I'm fine. I just need to keep busy. 534 00:24:31,544 --> 00:24:35,862 I'm fine. I just need to keep busy. 535 00:24:35,863 --> 00:24:38,902 And my flat's the crime scene. Right? 536 00:24:38,903 --> 00:24:40,062 Know who did it yet? 537 00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:42,742 Name Johanna Kolen mean anything to you? 538 00:24:42,743 --> 00:24:42,983 Name Johanna Kolen Sure. 539 00:24:42,983 --> 00:24:43,743 Sure. 540 00:24:43,744 --> 00:24:47,022 She's clearly not a fan of the exhibition. 541 00:24:47,023 --> 00:24:49,502 Did she know Ric? Yes, they... had spoken. 542 00:24:49,503 --> 00:24:49,743 Did she know Ric? Well, argued. 543 00:24:49,744 --> 00:24:51,462 Well, argued. 544 00:24:51,463 --> 00:24:54,783 I tried to make Ric see things from her point of view. 545 00:24:55,743 --> 00:24:57,222 Why? Did she do this? 546 00:24:57,223 --> 00:24:57,463 That's what Why? Did she do this? 547 00:24:57,464 --> 00:24:59,142 That's what we're trying to find out. 548 00:24:59,143 --> 00:24:59,383 That's what Johanna means well, and... 549 00:24:59,384 --> 00:25:01,102 Johanna means well, and... 550 00:25:01,103 --> 00:25:03,942 ..the museum understands her cause, but... 551 00:25:03,943 --> 00:25:06,902 PIET: Mm, whereas your boyfriend didn't. 552 00:25:06,903 --> 00:25:08,582 Would Miss Kolen have had his phone number? 553 00:25:08,583 --> 00:25:08,823 Would Miss Kolen ZOE: Yes, she had. 554 00:25:08,824 --> 00:25:10,263 ZOE: Yes, she had. 555 00:25:12,423 --> 00:25:14,662 Are there any swords in the exhibition? 556 00:25:14,663 --> 00:25:16,303 WOMAN: No. 557 00:25:17,263 --> 00:25:18,742 There was one 558 00:25:18,743 --> 00:25:21,542 Ric desperately wanted to get but... 559 00:25:21,543 --> 00:25:21,783 ..couldn't - Ric desperately wanted to get but... 560 00:25:21,784 --> 00:25:24,262 ..couldn't - belonged to a famous warrior. 561 00:25:24,263 --> 00:25:24,503 ..couldn't - Because? 562 00:25:24,503 --> 00:25:25,503 Because? 563 00:25:25,504 --> 00:25:28,582 It's privately owned by a local collector, Max Langenburg. 564 00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:32,422 Actually, he's, um, on the board of directors of the museum, but... 565 00:25:32,423 --> 00:25:34,742 ..he declined to lend it. 566 00:25:34,743 --> 00:25:35,902 OK. 567 00:25:35,903 --> 00:25:38,382 We'll, uh... we'll need his address. 568 00:25:38,383 --> 00:25:39,742 If he's on the board of directors, 569 00:25:39,743 --> 00:25:39,983 why wouldn't he lend it If he's on the board of directors, 570 00:25:39,984 --> 00:25:41,862 why wouldn't he lend it to the museum? 571 00:25:41,863 --> 00:25:42,103 why wouldn't he lend it Because it's his prize possession. 572 00:25:42,104 --> 00:25:43,502 Because it's his prize possession. 573 00:25:43,503 --> 00:25:46,142 It's from Indonesia. Its status and provenance are unique. 574 00:25:46,143 --> 00:25:47,902 Which is, of course... 575 00:25:47,903 --> 00:25:50,703 ..why Ric wanted it, but... 576 00:26:08,983 --> 00:26:10,982 How we gonna play this? Carefully. 577 00:26:10,983 --> 00:26:14,182 Jasmijn Brahm's handler's agreed to meet, but there are conditions. 578 00:26:14,183 --> 00:26:16,702 Yeah, well, I'm gonna be on my bestest behaviour. 579 00:26:16,703 --> 00:26:18,142 Really? 580 00:26:18,143 --> 00:26:20,542 Seen Jan? I did. 581 00:26:20,543 --> 00:26:21,862 Was he well? 582 00:26:21,863 --> 00:26:25,782 Oh, we didn't really get that far. We just talked about the case. 583 00:26:25,783 --> 00:26:26,023 Oh, we didn't really get that far. He said to say hello. 584 00:26:26,024 --> 00:26:28,262 He said to say hello. 585 00:26:28,263 --> 00:26:29,623 Liar. 586 00:26:36,823 --> 00:26:38,702 Miss Zuiderduin. 587 00:26:38,703 --> 00:26:41,302 Nice to meet you, Chief Commissaris. 588 00:26:41,303 --> 00:26:43,622 And Commissaris Van der Valk. Hey. 589 00:26:43,623 --> 00:26:45,383 We're so grateful you agreed to meet. 590 00:26:50,023 --> 00:26:51,502 It's not ideal. 591 00:26:51,503 --> 00:26:53,902 So, confidentiality is paramount. 592 00:26:53,903 --> 00:26:55,542 PIET: No, justice is paramount. 593 00:26:55,543 --> 00:26:58,022 We can save ourselves a lot of time if you just tell us 594 00:26:58,023 --> 00:27:00,903 where Jasmijn Brahm currently resides. 595 00:27:02,783 --> 00:27:04,103 Here. 596 00:27:05,303 --> 00:27:06,983 In Amsterdam. 597 00:27:08,303 --> 00:27:11,542 So, what is Jasmijn Brahm doing in Amsterdam? 598 00:27:11,543 --> 00:27:13,342 Getting on with the rest of her life. 599 00:27:13,343 --> 00:27:13,583 Getting on with As is her freedom to do so. 600 00:27:13,584 --> 00:27:15,822 As is her freedom to do so. 601 00:27:15,823 --> 00:27:17,102 Unlike her brothers. 602 00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:20,782 Well, you say it as it is, Commissaris. Don't hold back. 603 00:27:20,783 --> 00:27:23,022 How long's she been here? ZUIDERDUIN: A few months. 604 00:27:23,023 --> 00:27:24,262 Well, you know, 605 00:27:24,263 --> 00:27:27,102 I'm not at liberty to say where in Amsterdam she is, right? 606 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:30,462 Well, I appreciate that, but I'm sure you don't need us to remind you 607 00:27:30,463 --> 00:27:31,942 this is a murder inquiry. 608 00:27:31,943 --> 00:27:35,022 The victim was Eric van der Molden. Do you know him? 609 00:27:35,023 --> 00:27:38,022 It's part of my job to know what happened all those years ago. 610 00:27:38,023 --> 00:27:40,702 I know the case inside out, so, yeah. 611 00:27:40,703 --> 00:27:43,982 I know him. So, you know why it's relevant? 612 00:27:43,983 --> 00:27:48,262 I mean, we have a list of suspects, one of which is Jasmijn Brahm. 613 00:27:48,263 --> 00:27:48,503 I mean, we have a list of suspects, There is no way 614 00:27:48,504 --> 00:27:50,542 There is no way 615 00:27:50,543 --> 00:27:52,702 that Jasmijn, as you used to know her, committed that crime. 616 00:27:52,703 --> 00:27:52,943 that Jasmijn, as you used to I... 617 00:27:52,944 --> 00:27:54,302 I... 618 00:27:54,303 --> 00:27:55,462 ..I know her. 619 00:27:55,463 --> 00:27:58,663 I know her movements. What, five o'clock in the morning? 620 00:27:59,863 --> 00:28:03,502 I know what she did back then, and I know how she is now, 621 00:28:03,503 --> 00:28:04,942 and where she's at. 622 00:28:04,943 --> 00:28:08,102 It's my job to know and to protect her, so I'm... 623 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:11,543 ..I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable sharing information. 624 00:28:14,663 --> 00:28:17,222 And it's my job to find out who murdered Eric van der Molden, 625 00:28:17,223 --> 00:28:20,382 so, I'm sorry, I don't care whether you're comfortable or not. 626 00:28:20,383 --> 00:28:23,742 Piet! Well... listen. 627 00:28:23,743 --> 00:28:26,542 I'll find out what I need to know, OK, one way or another. 628 00:28:26,543 --> 00:28:28,422 I mean, someone on the force will know her. 629 00:28:28,423 --> 00:28:31,062 They'll know who she is, where she is. 630 00:28:31,063 --> 00:28:31,303 They'll know who she is, They always do. 631 00:28:31,304 --> 00:28:33,342 They always do. 632 00:28:33,343 --> 00:28:36,902 There was a Van der Valk on the original case, wasn't there? 633 00:28:36,903 --> 00:28:38,062 Does it matter? 634 00:28:38,063 --> 00:28:40,542 It does if it affects your objectivity. 635 00:28:40,543 --> 00:28:42,542 JULIA: Uh, that's for me to decide. 636 00:28:42,543 --> 00:28:43,983 Not you. 637 00:28:47,103 --> 00:28:48,903 ZUIDERDUIN: Lauren Teuling. 638 00:28:51,943 --> 00:28:53,782 Her name is Lauren Teuling. 639 00:28:53,783 --> 00:28:54,023 She lives with her husband Her name is Lauren Teuling. 640 00:28:54,024 --> 00:28:56,983 She lives with her husband and two small children. 641 00:28:58,063 --> 00:29:00,262 Happy families. 642 00:29:00,263 --> 00:29:01,702 I take it he knows? 643 00:29:01,703 --> 00:29:04,422 She's... she's a different person. She's moved on. 644 00:29:04,423 --> 00:29:06,822 She's a writer now, a journalist. 645 00:29:06,823 --> 00:29:08,382 PIET: That's ironic. 646 00:29:08,383 --> 00:29:10,302 Given how the press treated her. 647 00:29:10,303 --> 00:29:13,062 She's not living in the past. 648 00:29:13,063 --> 00:29:14,462 Are you? 649 00:29:14,463 --> 00:29:16,103 No. 650 00:29:18,503 --> 00:29:20,982 We need to talk to her, as soon as possible. 651 00:29:20,983 --> 00:29:22,342 No. 652 00:29:22,343 --> 00:29:25,662 I need to speak to her, and her husband. 653 00:29:25,663 --> 00:29:29,542 And I can't guarantee anything, and, uh, if we do, 654 00:29:29,543 --> 00:29:32,062 you need to behave by the book, right? 655 00:29:32,063 --> 00:29:33,943 Of course. 656 00:29:35,343 --> 00:29:38,423 No offence, but my question wasn't directed at you. 657 00:29:39,903 --> 00:29:42,302 I love playing by the book, me. 658 00:29:42,303 --> 00:29:42,543 Well, I'll let you know. I love playing by the book, me. 659 00:29:42,544 --> 00:29:44,782 Well, I'll let you know. Great. 660 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:47,702 When? ZUIDERDUIN: When I let you know. 661 00:29:47,703 --> 00:29:50,223 Alright. I'll be waiting for your call. 662 00:29:52,063 --> 00:29:53,383 Thank you. 663 00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:04,022 CCTV outside Zoe Waterman's apartment building and garage. 664 00:30:04,023 --> 00:30:07,382 Two people seen exiting the building at 5:36, 665 00:30:07,383 --> 00:30:09,942 right in the middle of the time we think Ric van der Molden was killed. 666 00:30:09,943 --> 00:30:10,183 right in the middle of the time we We checked with Zoe Waterman. 667 00:30:10,184 --> 00:30:11,982 We checked with Zoe Waterman. 668 00:30:11,983 --> 00:30:13,702 She doesn't know them, 669 00:30:13,703 --> 00:30:16,662 but she did say the party was pretty much an open house 670 00:30:16,663 --> 00:30:17,942 and people brought friends, so... 671 00:30:17,943 --> 00:30:20,862 Or maybe they were leaving another apartment in the same block. 672 00:30:20,863 --> 00:30:23,062 Good. Let's get a list of everyone who lives there. 673 00:30:23,063 --> 00:30:23,303 Good. Let's get a list of everyone Also, Herman Zaal 674 00:30:23,304 --> 00:30:25,102 Also, Herman Zaal 675 00:30:25,103 --> 00:30:26,902 has a morbid obsession with death. 676 00:30:26,903 --> 00:30:27,143 He was at the party, has a morbid obsession with death. 677 00:30:27,144 --> 00:30:29,382 He was at the party, also works in the museum world, 678 00:30:29,383 --> 00:30:31,342 but very different kind of museum. 679 00:30:31,343 --> 00:30:34,902 What, sex museum? Cats' funerals? Torture? What? 680 00:30:34,903 --> 00:30:35,143 What, sex museum? EDDIE: True crime. Yeah. 681 00:30:35,144 --> 00:30:37,062 EDDIE: True crime. Yeah. 682 00:30:37,063 --> 00:30:38,462 Only one in the country. 683 00:30:38,463 --> 00:30:40,302 All sorts of weird stuff relating to real crime. 684 00:30:40,303 --> 00:30:40,543 All sorts of weird stuff "The skull of a murderer." 685 00:30:40,544 --> 00:30:41,582 "The skull of a murderer." 686 00:30:41,583 --> 00:30:43,622 "The real car used in the Gassan diamond heist. 687 00:30:43,623 --> 00:30:46,822 "A," uh, "recording of serial killer Hans Richter 688 00:30:46,823 --> 00:30:47,063 "A," uh, "recording "singing Fly Me to the Moon." 689 00:30:47,064 --> 00:30:48,462 "singing Fly Me to the Moon." 690 00:30:48,463 --> 00:30:51,102 You name it, they've got it. Zaal's obsessed with this stuff. 691 00:30:51,103 --> 00:30:54,623 He doesn't sound very healthy. OK. Speak to him. 692 00:30:55,623 --> 00:30:58,942 Um, I'm just looking at Johanna Kolen's followers on social media, 693 00:30:58,943 --> 00:31:01,222 seeing if there's any familiar names. 694 00:31:01,223 --> 00:31:03,182 Where we at on the collector with the sword? 695 00:31:03,183 --> 00:31:03,423 Where we at Max Langenburg? Happy to meet. 696 00:31:03,424 --> 00:31:05,262 Max Langenburg? Happy to meet. 697 00:31:05,263 --> 00:31:05,503 Alright. Max Langenburg? Happy to meet. 698 00:31:05,504 --> 00:31:07,222 Alright. Let's head over there, with Hendrik. 699 00:31:07,223 --> 00:31:07,463 Alright. LUCIENNE: And what about you? 700 00:31:07,464 --> 00:31:08,582 LUCIENNE: And what about you? 701 00:31:08,583 --> 00:31:09,902 Find out anything? PIET: Yeah. 702 00:31:09,903 --> 00:31:15,543 Jasmijn Brahm, aka Lauren Teuling, married mother, living in Amsterdam. 703 00:31:32,943 --> 00:31:35,383 Oh. Nice house. 704 00:31:51,223 --> 00:31:53,382 PIET: Hey. 705 00:31:53,383 --> 00:31:55,862 Commissaris Van der Valk. This is Inspector Hassell. 706 00:31:55,863 --> 00:31:57,782 Hendrik here is our pathologist. 707 00:31:57,783 --> 00:31:59,142 Pleasure to meet you. 708 00:31:59,143 --> 00:32:02,422 What's a pathologist doing here? Has someone died? 709 00:32:02,423 --> 00:32:05,102 Yeah. Ric van der Molden. MAX: I heard about that. 710 00:32:05,103 --> 00:32:09,262 But that wasn't here. And I'm not sure what this has to do with me. 711 00:32:09,263 --> 00:32:11,302 We just need to ask you a few questions. 712 00:32:11,303 --> 00:32:13,863 Here you go. Let me get the door for you. 713 00:32:17,023 --> 00:32:18,303 Very nice. 714 00:32:19,983 --> 00:32:21,863 Quite a few bits and bobs. 715 00:32:25,383 --> 00:32:26,463 Hendrik. 716 00:32:27,823 --> 00:32:29,542 Do you mind if he takes a look? 717 00:32:29,543 --> 00:32:31,022 As long as he's careful. 718 00:32:31,023 --> 00:32:32,262 Oh! 719 00:32:32,263 --> 00:32:32,503 You'll never know he's so much as Oh! 720 00:32:32,504 --> 00:32:35,262 You'll never know he's so much as looked at it, let alone touched it. 721 00:32:35,263 --> 00:32:37,022 You've been talking to MY exes again? 722 00:32:37,023 --> 00:32:37,263 You've been talking LUCIENNE: Is the sword valuable? 723 00:32:37,264 --> 00:32:38,302 LUCIENNE: Is the sword valuable? 724 00:32:38,303 --> 00:32:40,462 Not so much in monetary terms, 725 00:32:40,463 --> 00:32:43,222 because there's only a small group in the world who are interested, 726 00:32:43,223 --> 00:32:44,822 but to that small group, yes, it's priceless. 727 00:32:44,823 --> 00:32:45,063 but to that small group, yes, Because? 728 00:32:45,063 --> 00:32:45,943 Because? 729 00:32:45,944 --> 00:32:48,942 MAX: It belonged to Nyi Ageng Serang, 730 00:32:48,943 --> 00:32:52,542 a female freedom fighter and guerilla leader, 731 00:32:52,543 --> 00:32:55,782 a legendary figure among the Indonesian community. 732 00:32:55,783 --> 00:32:57,902 I like her already. PIET: So do I. 733 00:32:57,903 --> 00:33:01,302 When are we talking? 1750s to 1830s. 734 00:33:01,303 --> 00:33:03,862 Her sword passed down through the generations. 735 00:33:03,863 --> 00:33:06,382 But no longer in the community where it belongs. 736 00:33:06,383 --> 00:33:06,623 But no longer in the community That can't be popular. 737 00:33:06,624 --> 00:33:07,662 That can't be popular. 738 00:33:07,663 --> 00:33:09,342 How did it make it onto the open market 739 00:33:09,343 --> 00:33:11,862 if it was so meaningful to the community? 740 00:33:11,863 --> 00:33:13,742 MAX: Where there's a will, there's a way. 741 00:33:13,743 --> 00:33:13,983 MAX: Where there's a will, And, of course, money talks. 742 00:33:13,984 --> 00:33:15,462 And, of course, money talks. 743 00:33:15,463 --> 00:33:17,662 Oh. Of course it does. 744 00:33:17,663 --> 00:33:21,102 We gather some people are concerned about the repatriation issue. 745 00:33:21,103 --> 00:33:21,343 We gather some people are concerned Are you? 746 00:33:21,344 --> 00:33:22,702 Are you? 747 00:33:22,703 --> 00:33:24,302 MAX: Not top of my list. 748 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,822 I'm a collector. It's in the genes. 749 00:33:26,823 --> 00:33:28,382 Look, I'm sorry. 750 00:33:28,383 --> 00:33:30,622 Why all these questions? What's all this got to do with Ric? 751 00:33:30,623 --> 00:33:33,782 Because he was killed with a sword very much like this one. 752 00:33:33,783 --> 00:33:36,062 Well, I assure you, that sword hasn't left this house 753 00:33:36,063 --> 00:33:36,303 Well, I assure you, since I bought it. 754 00:33:36,303 --> 00:33:37,143 since I bought it. 755 00:33:37,144 --> 00:33:39,622 Could it have been taken by anyone without your knowing? 756 00:33:39,623 --> 00:33:42,022 Impossible. I have security. 757 00:33:42,023 --> 00:33:43,822 OK. We'll need to check. 758 00:33:43,823 --> 00:33:45,822 Are there any other swords like that in circulation? 759 00:33:45,823 --> 00:33:46,063 Are there any other swords like that MAX: None that belonged to her. 760 00:33:46,064 --> 00:33:48,102 MAX: None that belonged to her. 761 00:33:48,103 --> 00:33:49,103 That's why it's unique. 762 00:33:49,104 --> 00:33:51,742 Why didn't you lend it to the museum for the exhibition? 763 00:33:51,743 --> 00:33:53,982 I didn't buy it to share it. I bought it to have it. 764 00:33:53,983 --> 00:33:54,223 I didn't buy it to share it. PIET: Very giving of you. 765 00:33:54,224 --> 00:33:55,782 PIET: Very giving of you. 766 00:33:55,783 --> 00:33:56,023 How did Mr Van der Molden feel PIET: Very giving of you. 767 00:33:56,024 --> 00:33:58,582 How did Mr Van der Molden feel about that? 768 00:33:58,583 --> 00:33:58,823 How did Mr Van der Molden feel MAX: Frustrated, angry. 769 00:33:58,824 --> 00:34:00,622 MAX: Frustrated, angry. 770 00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:02,342 How'd that make you feel? 771 00:34:02,343 --> 00:34:04,263 Equally frustrated and angry. 772 00:34:06,063 --> 00:34:07,982 But not enough to kill him. 773 00:34:07,983 --> 00:34:09,262 Is that right? 774 00:34:09,263 --> 00:34:12,302 Well, there's definitely traces of blood on this sword. 775 00:34:12,303 --> 00:34:13,263 MAX: Of course there is! 776 00:34:13,264 --> 00:34:15,062 She was a fierce warrior. She killed many soldiers. 777 00:34:15,063 --> 00:34:18,662 Well, I'll have to check with the lab, and I'm no expert... 778 00:34:18,663 --> 00:34:18,903 Well, I'll have to check Actually, I am. 779 00:34:18,904 --> 00:34:20,822 Actually, I am. 780 00:34:20,823 --> 00:34:22,622 ..but my hunch is saying 781 00:34:22,623 --> 00:34:25,102 that blood is barely a day old, 782 00:34:25,103 --> 00:34:27,502 let alone 250 years. 783 00:34:27,503 --> 00:34:28,822 Well... 784 00:34:28,823 --> 00:34:32,102 If confirmed, that kind of changes things. 785 00:34:32,103 --> 00:34:33,103 Don't you think? 786 00:34:47,743 --> 00:34:49,742 Welcome to the dark world of crime. 787 00:34:49,743 --> 00:34:51,462 As if the world needed this. 788 00:34:51,463 --> 00:34:51,703 Oh, I don't know. As if the world needed this. 789 00:34:51,704 --> 00:34:53,182 Oh, I don't know. I'm quite looking forward to it. 790 00:34:53,183 --> 00:34:55,902 You're weird. Don't judge, chess boy. 791 00:34:55,903 --> 00:34:58,622 I'm not the one who sits around all day, playing with his bishop. 792 00:34:58,623 --> 00:34:59,915 I'm not the one who sits around 793 00:35:08,783 --> 00:35:10,783 This is weird. CITRA: Yeah. 794 00:35:21,023 --> 00:35:22,382 Oh, hey. 795 00:35:22,383 --> 00:35:24,542 Ah! 796 00:35:24,543 --> 00:35:26,702 Open daily, 365. 797 00:35:26,703 --> 00:35:30,502 This... this is my collection. Hmm? 798 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:33,822 Little hobby, if you will. 799 00:35:33,823 --> 00:35:37,462 I take it you know about Ric's past and his connection to Jasmijn Brahm? 800 00:35:37,463 --> 00:35:40,942 I know everything there is to know about that case. 801 00:35:40,943 --> 00:35:41,183 I know everything there is to know Oh. Is that how you got to know him? 802 00:35:41,184 --> 00:35:42,942 Oh. Is that how you got to know him? 803 00:35:42,943 --> 00:35:43,183 You heard about what happened Oh. Is that how you got to know him? 804 00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:46,022 You heard about what happened and just had to make contact? 805 00:35:46,023 --> 00:35:47,232 You heard about what happened 806 00:35:48,583 --> 00:35:50,622 The total opposite. 807 00:35:50,623 --> 00:35:52,423 No, Ric came to ME. 808 00:35:53,383 --> 00:35:54,822 Ric sought ME out. 809 00:35:54,823 --> 00:35:56,982 I mean... Ric loved it here. 810 00:35:56,983 --> 00:35:58,943 Really? Why? 811 00:36:00,223 --> 00:36:03,222 Because he was fascinated with evil. 812 00:36:03,223 --> 00:36:06,302 MAN: I don't see why we have to agree to anything. 813 00:36:06,303 --> 00:36:08,822 We're meant to be anonymous. You are meant to protect us. 814 00:36:08,823 --> 00:36:10,182 That's the whole point. 815 00:36:10,183 --> 00:36:11,703 I can say no. 816 00:36:12,903 --> 00:36:14,662 That's your right. 817 00:36:14,663 --> 00:36:16,262 Well, there you go. Say no. 818 00:36:16,263 --> 00:36:18,742 But then they might want to pursue it independently, 819 00:36:18,743 --> 00:36:20,063 which could get messier. 820 00:36:21,343 --> 00:36:21,583 ZUIDERDUIN: 821 00:36:21,584 --> 00:36:23,822 ZUIDERDUIN: At least if we say yes, if we agree, 822 00:36:23,823 --> 00:36:25,663 then we can control the process. 823 00:36:28,343 --> 00:36:30,023 I've got nothing to hide. 824 00:36:31,863 --> 00:36:33,223 OK. 825 00:36:56,863 --> 00:36:58,222 LUCIENNE: According to Citra, 826 00:36:58,223 --> 00:37:03,022 Ric van der Molden was obsessed with evil AND Jasmijn Brahm. 827 00:37:03,023 --> 00:37:03,263 Ric van der Molden was obsessed That doesn't surprise me. 828 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:04,903 That doesn't surprise me. 829 00:37:05,903 --> 00:37:07,943 She had that effect on people. 830 00:37:09,463 --> 00:37:11,862 I know you and Jan found the bodies. 831 00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:13,383 I checked. 832 00:37:14,583 --> 00:37:16,943 Don't know how you shake off that image. 833 00:37:29,183 --> 00:37:31,423 ZUIDERDUIN: Commissaris Van der Valk. 834 00:37:32,863 --> 00:37:35,342 This is Inspector Hassell. 835 00:37:35,343 --> 00:37:37,982 Thank you for agreeing to talk to us. 836 00:37:37,983 --> 00:37:39,702 I know you didn't have to. 837 00:37:39,703 --> 00:37:41,302 You want to talk to me about Eric? 838 00:37:41,303 --> 00:37:42,582 PIET: Yeah. 839 00:37:42,583 --> 00:37:46,342 Where were you first thing this morning, between 5am and 6am? 840 00:37:46,343 --> 00:37:48,582 Uh, I was at home. 841 00:37:48,583 --> 00:37:50,502 I have two children. 842 00:37:50,503 --> 00:37:52,023 They tend to be up early. 843 00:37:54,063 --> 00:37:55,982 My husband can vouch for me. 844 00:37:55,983 --> 00:37:58,862 When did you last see Mr Van der Molden? 845 00:37:58,863 --> 00:38:01,062 I mean, was it 19 years ago or more recently? 846 00:38:01,063 --> 00:38:01,303 I mean, was it 19 years ago Well, he wrote to me in prison. 847 00:38:01,304 --> 00:38:03,702 Well, he wrote to me in prison. 848 00:38:03,703 --> 00:38:07,382 He said he... wanted to know why I did it. 849 00:38:07,383 --> 00:38:09,302 He said that he needed closure. 850 00:38:09,303 --> 00:38:10,822 And you replied to his letter? 851 00:38:10,823 --> 00:38:13,422 Yeah, I did, but it was only much later that I found out 852 00:38:13,423 --> 00:38:13,663 Yeah, I did, but it was that he never received my letter. 853 00:38:13,664 --> 00:38:15,902 that he never received my letter. 854 00:38:15,903 --> 00:38:17,503 It was intercepted. 855 00:38:20,103 --> 00:38:22,342 You, um... you worked the case, right? 856 00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:24,382 Hanna mentioned it. 857 00:38:24,383 --> 00:38:26,302 I did, yeah. 858 00:38:26,303 --> 00:38:28,702 And did you think I was evil? 859 00:38:28,703 --> 00:38:31,142 It doesn't matter what I think. 860 00:38:31,143 --> 00:38:32,582 I'm only interested in now. 861 00:38:32,583 --> 00:38:32,823 Well, we've got that in common I'm only interested in now. 862 00:38:32,824 --> 00:38:34,022 Well, we've got that in common at least. 863 00:38:34,023 --> 00:38:34,263 Well, we've got that in common OK. Is that everything? 864 00:38:34,264 --> 00:38:35,582 OK. Is that everything? 865 00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:38,102 You wanted to meet. Now you've met. 866 00:38:38,103 --> 00:38:40,062 So, can she go? 867 00:38:40,063 --> 00:38:42,462 How would we make contact moving forward? 868 00:38:42,463 --> 00:38:45,142 Why would you need to? JASMIJN: It's fine. I don't mind. 869 00:38:45,143 --> 00:38:45,383 Why would you need to? I'm happy to help. 870 00:38:45,384 --> 00:38:46,702 I'm happy to help. 871 00:38:46,703 --> 00:38:49,103 Alright. Through me. 872 00:38:50,063 --> 00:38:51,983 No-one else. OK? 873 00:39:03,023 --> 00:39:04,222 You got them? 874 00:39:04,223 --> 00:39:06,063 Yep. 875 00:39:10,503 --> 00:39:12,263 Let's go. 876 00:39:34,143 --> 00:39:36,382 Did you work on the Jasmijn Brahm case as well? 877 00:39:36,383 --> 00:39:36,623 Did you work on Not directly. 878 00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:37,822 Not directly. 879 00:39:37,823 --> 00:39:39,862 I knew... of it. 880 00:39:39,863 --> 00:39:43,062 It was a pretty important case for Piet, right? 881 00:39:43,063 --> 00:39:43,943 Yeah. 882 00:39:43,944 --> 00:39:45,982 It sort of came to define him. 883 00:39:45,983 --> 00:39:48,462 It was the first time he went against the grain. 884 00:39:48,463 --> 00:39:48,703 It was the first time But not the last. 885 00:39:48,704 --> 00:39:49,942 But not the last. 886 00:39:49,943 --> 00:39:50,183 Well, a lot of people wanted But not the last. 887 00:39:50,184 --> 00:39:52,542 Well, a lot of people wanted to reinstate the death penalty 888 00:39:52,543 --> 00:39:52,783 Well, a lot of people wanted for Jasmijn Brahm. 889 00:39:52,784 --> 00:39:53,822 for Jasmijn Brahm. 890 00:39:53,823 --> 00:39:56,902 And did Piet? No. Yeah, but it was a strange case. 891 00:39:56,903 --> 00:39:59,302 No-one could square why she did what she did, 892 00:39:59,303 --> 00:40:00,743 killed her siblings in cold blood. 893 00:40:04,943 --> 00:40:07,182 Hey. PIET: OK. 894 00:40:07,183 --> 00:40:10,702 Records confirm 16-year-old Jasmijn Brahm drank a lot. 895 00:40:10,703 --> 00:40:12,582 She had blackouts and a history of abuse. 896 00:40:12,583 --> 00:40:12,823 She had blackouts Don't we all? 897 00:40:12,823 --> 00:40:13,663 Don't we all? 898 00:40:13,664 --> 00:40:15,822 LUCIENNE: Well, according to Eric, Ric, 899 00:40:15,823 --> 00:40:19,022 she got angry because her brothers smashed her bird's egg collection. 900 00:40:19,023 --> 00:40:21,422 Bit of an overreaction, right? LUCIENNE: I don't know. 901 00:40:21,423 --> 00:40:24,182 It says here the neighbours heard her threatening them, 902 00:40:24,183 --> 00:40:26,862 went and got drunk before dousing the house in petrol. 903 00:40:26,863 --> 00:40:28,542 CLIFF: Yeah, and there was something about 904 00:40:28,543 --> 00:40:31,702 her using the brothers' favourite toy to start the fire. 905 00:40:31,703 --> 00:40:34,622 After that, she locked them in. 906 00:40:34,623 --> 00:40:37,942 Oh, Ric also claimed that she was laughing 907 00:40:37,943 --> 00:40:38,183 Oh, Ric also claimed as her brothers screamed, 908 00:40:38,184 --> 00:40:39,862 as her brothers screamed, 909 00:40:39,863 --> 00:40:41,702 with the house burning around them. 910 00:40:41,703 --> 00:40:41,943 JULIA: Well, in the public's mind, with the house burning around them. 911 00:40:41,944 --> 00:40:46,542 JULIA: Well, in the public's mind, his statement convinced everyone. 912 00:40:46,543 --> 00:40:46,783 JULIA: Well, in the public's mind, But he was 12 years old at the time. 913 00:40:46,784 --> 00:40:48,822 But he was 12 years old at the time. 914 00:40:48,823 --> 00:40:50,742 EDDIE: Surely they must have had more. 915 00:40:50,743 --> 00:40:50,983 EDDIE: Yeah, her DNA was everywhere. 916 00:40:50,984 --> 00:40:53,102 Yeah, her DNA was everywhere. 917 00:40:53,103 --> 00:40:55,382 I mean, it would be. She lived there. 918 00:40:55,383 --> 00:40:57,863 So, more emphasis was put on her confession. 919 00:40:59,783 --> 00:41:01,382 I mean, she... 920 00:41:01,383 --> 00:41:02,902 ..didn't deny it. 921 00:41:02,903 --> 00:41:03,143 She couldn't remember it, ..didn't deny it. 922 00:41:03,144 --> 00:41:05,582 She couldn't remember it, but she never said she didn't do it. 923 00:41:05,583 --> 00:41:07,822 LUCIENNE: What happened to Ric van der Molden afterwards? 924 00:41:07,823 --> 00:41:10,542 That's what we need to find out - what happened after, 925 00:41:10,543 --> 00:41:13,422 where he went, what he did, who with - the lot. 926 00:41:13,423 --> 00:41:17,182 Max Langenburg, crossed swords with him, literally. 927 00:41:17,183 --> 00:41:17,423 Max Langenburg, But is that enough of a motive? 928 00:41:17,424 --> 00:41:19,662 But is that enough of a motive? 929 00:41:19,663 --> 00:41:21,182 I don't know yet. 930 00:41:21,183 --> 00:41:24,542 Likewise with the grim reaper, Herman Zaal. Let's dig. 931 00:41:24,543 --> 00:41:27,743 See if we can figure out why someone would want Eric dead. 932 00:41:29,423 --> 00:41:31,702 How'd you get on with that address? 933 00:41:31,703 --> 00:41:33,383 Found it. 934 00:41:37,423 --> 00:41:38,702 JAN: Piet. 935 00:41:38,703 --> 00:41:41,222 I need you to meet me at the Hortus. 936 00:41:41,223 --> 00:41:43,502 Soon as you can, yeah? 937 00:41:43,503 --> 00:41:44,943 It's important. 938 00:41:46,463 --> 00:41:48,342 Care to share? 939 00:41:48,343 --> 00:41:49,943 Not at the moment. 940 00:42:10,623 --> 00:42:12,383 You can fill me in on the way. 941 00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:51,422 Jan, it's me. 942 00:42:51,423 --> 00:42:54,782 Piet, look. I need to talk this thing through with you. 943 00:42:54,783 --> 00:42:55,023 Piet, look. I need to talk The more I dig, the more it stinks. 944 00:42:55,024 --> 00:42:56,483 The more I dig, the more it stinks. 945 00:42:57,423 --> 00:42:59,382 I think someone's after me. 946 00:42:59,383 --> 00:43:01,902 Jan? It's Julia. 947 00:43:01,903 --> 00:43:04,103 Where exactly are you? Who's after you? 948 00:43:05,663 --> 00:43:07,063 Julie? 949 00:43:08,263 --> 00:43:10,142 Julie, Christ. It's been a long time. 950 00:43:10,143 --> 00:43:10,383 Julie, Christ. JULIA: I know. Hasn't it? 951 00:43:10,384 --> 00:43:11,462 JULIA: I know. Hasn't it? 952 00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:11,703 But let's not think about that JULIA: I know. Hasn't it? 953 00:43:11,704 --> 00:43:12,942 But let's not think about that right now. 954 00:43:12,943 --> 00:43:15,463 Hey! What? 955 00:43:16,263 --> 00:43:18,023 Jan, are you still there? 956 00:43:20,463 --> 00:43:21,582 JAN: Wait. 957 00:43:21,583 --> 00:43:25,102 Jan, are you still there? Are you alright? Can you hear me? 958 00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:25,343 Jan, are you still there? We're on our way. 959 00:43:25,344 --> 00:43:26,703 We're on our way. 960 00:43:39,583 --> 00:43:40,623 PIET: Jan? 961 00:43:42,063 --> 00:43:43,663 JULIA: Piet, over here. 962 00:43:50,103 --> 00:43:51,502 Jan. 963 00:43:51,503 --> 00:43:52,862 Jan? Hey, mate. 964 00:43:52,863 --> 00:43:54,742 It's Piet. 965 00:43:54,743 --> 00:43:57,703 We're here, mate. We're here. We're here for you, mate. 966 00:44:00,663 --> 00:44:02,622 It's OK. It's Julia. 967 00:44:02,623 --> 00:44:04,542 It's gonna be OK. Just hang in there. 968 00:44:04,543 --> 00:44:06,742 PIET: Commissaris Van der Valk... Julia. 969 00:44:06,743 --> 00:44:08,462 ..botanical garden as fast as you can. 970 00:44:08,463 --> 00:44:10,063 You alright? What? 971 00:44:11,143 --> 00:44:14,822 Let's just get you sorted. Don't worry about me. 972 00:44:14,823 --> 00:44:15,063 Let's just get you sorted. Who did this to you? 973 00:44:15,064 --> 00:44:16,742 Who did this to you? 974 00:44:16,743 --> 00:44:18,143 Tell us. 975 00:44:20,143 --> 00:44:22,343 You look after her. 976 00:44:43,663 --> 00:44:45,342 PIET: I'll call you back. 977 00:44:45,343 --> 00:44:45,583 I'm so sorry. 978 00:44:45,584 --> 00:44:47,062 I'm so sorry. 979 00:44:47,063 --> 00:44:48,742 Alright. 980 00:44:48,743 --> 00:44:48,943 I'll be in touch. Alright. 981 00:44:48,944 --> 00:44:50,743 I'll be in touch. 982 00:44:52,423 --> 00:44:53,983 Who was that? 983 00:44:55,303 --> 00:44:57,142 It was Sara. 984 00:44:57,143 --> 00:44:58,783 Jan's wife. 985 00:45:00,783 --> 00:45:03,223 He also had three teenage kids. 986 00:45:06,703 --> 00:45:09,582 So, anything we need to know? 987 00:45:09,583 --> 00:45:11,022 OK. 988 00:45:11,023 --> 00:45:13,622 The victim is Jan Kappel. 989 00:45:13,623 --> 00:45:15,422 He's a former police officer. 990 00:45:15,423 --> 00:45:15,623 Was a friend of ours. He's a former police officer. 991 00:45:15,624 --> 00:45:18,222 Was a friend of ours. 992 00:45:18,223 --> 00:45:19,902 He was my senior officer 993 00:45:19,903 --> 00:45:20,103 He was my senior officer on the Jasmijn Brahm case. 994 00:45:20,104 --> 00:45:21,302 on the Jasmijn Brahm case. 995 00:45:21,303 --> 00:45:22,822 Said he wanted to meet. 996 00:45:22,823 --> 00:45:24,742 He said, uh... 997 00:45:24,743 --> 00:45:26,622 ..well, he said someone was after him. 998 00:45:26,623 --> 00:45:29,142 Another person connected to that case? 999 00:45:29,143 --> 00:45:29,383 Another person Can't be a coincidence. 1000 00:45:29,384 --> 00:45:31,462 Can't be a coincidence. 1001 00:45:31,463 --> 00:45:32,702 I never thought it was. 1002 00:45:32,703 --> 00:45:32,823 Well, cause of death appears to be blunt trauma 1003 00:45:32,826 --> 00:45:32,943 and multiple injuries I never thought it was. 1004 00:45:32,944 --> 00:45:36,222 Well, cause of death appears to be blunt trauma and multiple injuries 1005 00:45:36,223 --> 00:45:40,782 on account of his descent from up there, presumably. 1006 00:45:40,783 --> 00:45:40,916 on account of his descent from up there, presumably. I 1007 00:45:40,919 --> 00:45:41,063 can check there's nothing else at the post-mortem, but... 1008 00:45:41,064 --> 00:45:43,382 I can check there's nothing else at the post-mortem, but... 1009 00:45:43,383 --> 00:45:46,902 ..question is, did he fall or... 1010 00:45:46,903 --> 00:45:48,423 ..was he pushed? 1011 00:45:49,623 --> 00:45:53,382 So, that errand you ran and, uh, that address you mentioned, 1012 00:45:53,383 --> 00:45:55,183 was that Lauren Teuling, by any chance? 1013 00:45:56,863 --> 00:45:58,182 Yep. 1014 00:45:58,183 --> 00:45:59,702 So, you followed her home, 1015 00:45:59,703 --> 00:45:59,943 even though we said So, you followed her home, 1016 00:45:59,944 --> 00:46:02,183 even though we said we'd do it by the book? 1017 00:46:04,983 --> 00:46:06,502 Good. 1018 00:46:06,503 --> 00:46:09,302 Get round there first thing and turn the screw. 1019 00:46:09,303 --> 00:46:09,543 Get round there first thing Of course. 1020 00:46:09,544 --> 00:46:10,823 Of course. 1021 00:46:11,783 --> 00:46:13,142 Do you want a lift home? 1022 00:46:13,143 --> 00:46:15,022 Oh, no, no. Honestly, it's no need. Um... 1023 00:46:15,023 --> 00:46:18,943 Do you know what? I think I'll, uh... I'll... I'll take a walk. 1024 00:46:21,783 --> 00:46:23,342 Um, there's no point in beating about the bush, 1025 00:46:23,343 --> 00:46:25,622 'cause you're going to have to find out soon anyway, 1026 00:46:25,623 --> 00:46:28,783 but Jan and I were married. 1027 00:46:29,743 --> 00:46:31,423 But it was a long time ago. 1028 00:46:33,343 --> 00:46:35,142 But at least he, uh... 1029 00:46:35,143 --> 00:46:37,263 ..introduced me to Piet. 1030 00:46:42,663 --> 00:46:44,862 Sorry to interrupt. 1031 00:46:44,863 --> 00:46:47,742 But you might want to pay our collector friend, Mr Langenburg, 1032 00:46:47,743 --> 00:46:49,022 another visit. 1033 00:46:49,023 --> 00:46:50,582 Update on the sword. 1034 00:46:50,583 --> 00:46:53,062 The only prints on it are his. 1035 00:46:53,063 --> 00:46:55,022 And the blood? 1036 00:46:55,023 --> 00:46:56,782 Ric van der Molden. 1037 00:46:56,783 --> 00:46:59,983 It was, indeed, the murder weapon. 1038 00:47:24,943 --> 00:47:26,782 Morning, Mr Langenburg. 1039 00:47:26,783 --> 00:47:28,102 Morning. 1040 00:47:28,103 --> 00:47:30,022 LUCIENNE: We need to speak to you. 1041 00:47:30,023 --> 00:47:31,462 At the station. 1042 00:47:31,463 --> 00:47:33,022 Really? 1043 00:47:33,023 --> 00:47:34,743 Yeah. Really. 1044 00:47:36,983 --> 00:47:40,102 Johanna Kolen has over 17,000 followers. 1045 00:47:40,103 --> 00:47:41,862 But you know what I don't get? 1046 00:47:41,863 --> 00:47:45,422 Connection between Indonesian artefacts and Jasmijn Brahm. 1047 00:47:45,423 --> 00:47:45,663 Connection between Indonesian Yeah. 1048 00:47:45,664 --> 00:47:47,543 Yeah. 1049 00:47:56,583 --> 00:47:57,782 Coming? 1050 00:47:57,783 --> 00:47:58,783 Uh, yeah. 1051 00:47:58,784 --> 00:48:00,742 They're not exactly gonna be welcoming us with open arms, 1052 00:48:00,743 --> 00:48:00,983 They're not exactly gonna be are they? 1053 00:48:00,984 --> 00:48:02,102 are they? 1054 00:48:02,103 --> 00:48:03,422 They rarely are. But no. 1055 00:48:03,423 --> 00:48:05,222 Why? Is that a problem? 1056 00:48:05,223 --> 00:48:07,622 No. Um, I'm just curious. 1057 00:48:07,623 --> 00:48:09,902 Not met a murderer before, like, a real one. 1058 00:48:09,903 --> 00:48:10,863 Well, you've arrested some. 1059 00:48:10,864 --> 00:48:12,702 Yeah, but it's not quite the same as knocking on the door 1060 00:48:12,703 --> 00:48:12,943 Yeah, but it's not quite the same and having a chat, though, is it? 1061 00:48:12,944 --> 00:48:14,319 and having a chat, though, is it? 1062 00:48:15,223 --> 00:48:18,342 Maybe now's the time to say something to make me feel at ease? 1063 00:48:18,343 --> 00:48:18,583 Maybe now's the time to say OK. Yeah. 1064 00:48:18,584 --> 00:48:19,782 OK. Yeah. 1065 00:48:19,783 --> 00:48:21,502 Uh... 1066 00:48:21,503 --> 00:48:23,982 ..you've probably met dozens of murderers. 1067 00:48:23,983 --> 00:48:25,942 You just didn't know it. 1068 00:48:25,943 --> 00:48:27,502 I might be one. 1069 00:48:27,503 --> 00:48:29,182 That helps. Good. 1070 00:48:29,183 --> 00:48:29,423 That helps. There you go. 1071 00:48:29,424 --> 00:48:30,463 There you go. 1072 00:48:32,063 --> 00:48:33,183 You got this. 1073 00:48:37,663 --> 00:48:39,022 Hey. 1074 00:48:39,023 --> 00:48:39,263 We need to talk to your wife about Hey. 1075 00:48:39,264 --> 00:48:42,102 We need to talk to your wife about the death of Eric van der Molden. 1076 00:48:42,103 --> 00:48:42,343 We need to talk to your wife about No. You shouldn't be here. 1077 00:48:42,344 --> 00:48:43,662 No. You shouldn't be here. 1078 00:48:43,663 --> 00:48:45,223 Go away. 1079 00:48:46,183 --> 00:48:48,662 You are not meant to be here. 1080 00:48:48,663 --> 00:48:48,903 Go. You are not meant to be here. 1081 00:48:48,904 --> 00:48:51,582 Go. It wasn't the plan. But plans change. 1082 00:48:51,583 --> 00:48:51,823 Go. Someone else has been killed, 1083 00:48:51,824 --> 00:48:53,342 Someone else has been killed, 1084 00:48:53,343 --> 00:48:56,902 also connected to your wife's past, so, if you don't mind. 1085 00:48:56,903 --> 00:48:59,702 She's giving the kids their breakfast, for Christ's sake! 1086 00:48:59,703 --> 00:49:01,422 PIET: You really... 1087 00:49:01,423 --> 00:49:03,142 ..don't want to do that. 1088 00:49:03,143 --> 00:49:06,022 I mean, we'll just have to kick it in. We'd have to arrest her. 1089 00:49:06,023 --> 00:49:06,263 I mean, we'll just have to Be very upsetting for the kids. 1090 00:49:06,264 --> 00:49:07,742 Be very upsetting for the kids. 1091 00:49:07,743 --> 00:49:07,983 'Cause you probably Be very upsetting for the kids. 1092 00:49:07,984 --> 00:49:10,318 'Cause you probably wouldn't want that either, would you? 1093 00:49:15,623 --> 00:49:17,982 MAX: Your pathologist must be mistaken. 1094 00:49:17,983 --> 00:49:18,223 MAX: Your pathologist And with the best will in the world, 1095 00:49:18,224 --> 00:49:19,622 And with the best will in the world, 1096 00:49:19,623 --> 00:49:19,863 he didn't exactly strike me And with the best will in the world, 1097 00:49:19,864 --> 00:49:21,662 he didn't exactly strike me as infallible. 1098 00:49:21,663 --> 00:49:21,903 he didn't exactly strike me Well, you're wrong. 1099 00:49:21,904 --> 00:49:23,222 Well, you're wrong. 1100 00:49:23,223 --> 00:49:24,862 Our pathologist may be many things, 1101 00:49:24,863 --> 00:49:28,062 but forensically inaccurate is not one of them. 1102 00:49:28,063 --> 00:49:28,303 but forensically inaccurate Then how do you explain 1103 00:49:28,304 --> 00:49:29,422 Then how do you explain 1104 00:49:29,423 --> 00:49:29,663 how the sword left my house Then how do you explain 1105 00:49:29,664 --> 00:49:31,262 how the sword left my house without me knowing, 1106 00:49:31,263 --> 00:49:33,782 was used to kill someone and then returned? 1107 00:49:33,783 --> 00:49:35,742 We were hoping you would explain that, actually. 1108 00:49:35,743 --> 00:49:35,983 We were hoping Anyone else have access to the house? 1109 00:49:35,984 --> 00:49:38,502 Anyone else have access to the house? 1110 00:49:38,503 --> 00:49:39,902 Friends, families? 1111 00:49:39,903 --> 00:49:41,983 Cleaners? 1112 00:49:42,943 --> 00:49:46,222 I'm a solitary beast. I prefer objects to people. 1113 00:49:46,223 --> 00:49:47,822 Not surprisingly, given all this. 1114 00:49:47,823 --> 00:49:49,302 EDDIE: And what about security? 1115 00:49:49,303 --> 00:49:51,702 I mean, this collection... 1116 00:49:51,703 --> 00:49:53,543 ..must be worth quite a lot of money. 1117 00:49:54,503 --> 00:49:56,062 I see you've got cameras. 1118 00:49:56,063 --> 00:49:59,822 So that I'd know if someone had broken in and taken anything. 1119 00:49:59,823 --> 00:50:02,342 LUCIENNE: We'll need access to all your surveillance footage. 1120 00:50:02,343 --> 00:50:04,583 You're welcome to it. 1121 00:50:05,623 --> 00:50:08,822 Where were you yesterday morning between five and six? 1122 00:50:08,823 --> 00:50:09,063 Where were you yesterday morning At home, asleep. 1123 00:50:09,064 --> 00:50:10,862 At home, asleep. 1124 00:50:10,863 --> 00:50:12,462 And last night, about 10 o'clock? 1125 00:50:12,463 --> 00:50:14,182 At home, awake. 1126 00:50:14,183 --> 00:50:17,222 Does the name Jan Kappel mean anything to you? 1127 00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:17,463 Does the name Jan Kappel Never heard of him. Why? 1128 00:50:17,464 --> 00:50:18,543 Never heard of him. Why? 1129 00:50:19,503 --> 00:50:21,022 You do realise... 1130 00:50:21,023 --> 00:50:23,182 ..this is absurd, right? 1131 00:50:23,183 --> 00:50:26,222 Do you know how much I paid for that sword? 1132 00:50:26,223 --> 00:50:28,502 Do you really think I would use it to kill someone? 1133 00:50:28,503 --> 00:50:29,942 Oh, I don't see why not. 1134 00:50:29,943 --> 00:50:31,742 We know you had a very public disagreement 1135 00:50:31,743 --> 00:50:31,983 We know you had with Ric van der Molden over... 1136 00:50:31,984 --> 00:50:33,742 with Ric van der Molden over... 1137 00:50:33,743 --> 00:50:35,782 ..that very object and others. 1138 00:50:35,783 --> 00:50:37,822 EDDIE: Yeah, we checked his emails. 1139 00:50:37,823 --> 00:50:39,382 Quite a row you two had. LUCIENNE: Mm. 1140 00:50:39,383 --> 00:50:42,742 At one point, Mr Van der Molden said if you didn't lend him your sword, 1141 00:50:42,743 --> 00:50:42,983 At one point, Mr Van der Molden said he would go public with 1142 00:50:42,984 --> 00:50:44,742 he would go public with 1143 00:50:44,743 --> 00:50:44,983 the somewhat dodgy provenance he would go public with 1144 00:50:44,984 --> 00:50:49,343 the somewhat dodgy provenance of most of your collection. 1145 00:50:50,903 --> 00:50:53,742 Of course I know who Jan Kappel is. 1146 00:50:53,743 --> 00:50:55,542 PIET: Was. 1147 00:50:55,543 --> 00:50:55,783 Had he been in touch with you PIET: Was. 1148 00:50:55,784 --> 00:50:57,462 Had he been in touch with you recently? 1149 00:50:57,463 --> 00:50:58,582 No! Of course not. 1150 00:50:58,583 --> 00:51:02,263 How could he? Our identities have been protected. 1151 00:51:03,623 --> 00:51:05,542 Well, our presence here this morning 1152 00:51:05,543 --> 00:51:08,902 is proof that system isn't watertight. 1153 00:51:08,903 --> 00:51:09,143 is proof So, the truth? 1154 00:51:09,144 --> 00:51:10,663 So, the truth? 1155 00:51:13,463 --> 00:51:16,382 Jan tracked us down and let it be known that he knew where we were. 1156 00:51:16,383 --> 00:51:18,622 He said it was just a precaution. 1157 00:51:18,623 --> 00:51:21,222 That must have been annoying for you. 1158 00:51:21,223 --> 00:51:25,382 I mean, wanting to start over, a new life with your family. 1159 00:51:25,383 --> 00:51:25,623 I mean, wanting to start over, It wasn't ideal. 1160 00:51:25,624 --> 00:51:27,222 It wasn't ideal. 1161 00:51:27,223 --> 00:51:28,583 No. 1162 00:51:30,943 --> 00:51:32,742 PIET: Has anyone else been in touch? 1163 00:51:32,743 --> 00:51:35,662 Eric van der Molden, for example? 1164 00:51:35,663 --> 00:51:35,903 We gather he was Eric van der Molden, for example? 1165 00:51:35,904 --> 00:51:38,902 We gather he was somewhat fascinated by you. 1166 00:51:38,903 --> 00:51:39,143 We gather he was Did he track you down, too? 1167 00:51:39,144 --> 00:51:40,462 Did he track you down, too? 1168 00:51:40,463 --> 00:51:43,262 That weirdo, Zaal, did. 1169 00:51:43,263 --> 00:51:45,422 Herman Zaal? MAN: Yes. 1170 00:51:45,423 --> 00:51:46,902 Like you said, the system isn't watertight. 1171 00:51:46,903 --> 00:51:47,143 Like you said, He paid someone for the information. 1172 00:51:47,144 --> 00:51:48,742 He paid someone for the information. 1173 00:51:48,743 --> 00:51:50,702 Couldn't resist. 1174 00:51:50,703 --> 00:51:54,302 He told Eric and Eric contacted me. 1175 00:51:54,303 --> 00:51:56,542 And you saw him? 1176 00:51:56,543 --> 00:51:56,783 Um, surely that's against the rules And you saw him? 1177 00:51:56,784 --> 00:51:59,622 Um, surely that's against the rules of your release. 1178 00:51:59,623 --> 00:52:01,583 I'm just trying to do right by people. 1179 00:52:03,863 --> 00:52:06,183 Or right wrongs. 1180 00:52:10,263 --> 00:52:12,702 Eric wrote to me a few times. 1181 00:52:12,703 --> 00:52:14,942 I think it was his way of processing... 1182 00:52:14,943 --> 00:52:15,183 I think it was his way ..everything. 1183 00:52:15,184 --> 00:52:16,582 ..everything. 1184 00:52:16,583 --> 00:52:17,902 And... 1185 00:52:17,903 --> 00:52:22,183 ..well, when he got in touch through Zaal, I agreed to meet. 1186 00:52:24,983 --> 00:52:27,983 I was curious. MAN: I wasn't happy about it. 1187 00:52:29,463 --> 00:52:32,502 Did your handler know? JASMIJN: Oh, eventually. 1188 00:52:32,503 --> 00:52:32,743 Did your handler know? But it was my call. 1189 00:52:32,744 --> 00:52:34,022 But it was my call. 1190 00:52:34,023 --> 00:52:36,423 Otherwise freedom... 1191 00:52:37,783 --> 00:52:40,143 ..doesn't really feel that free at all. 1192 00:52:43,623 --> 00:52:46,582 When you were in prison, you studied a lot, right? 1193 00:52:46,583 --> 00:52:46,823 When you were in prison, I had a lot of time on my hands. 1194 00:52:46,824 --> 00:52:49,343 I had a lot of time on my hands. 1195 00:52:50,783 --> 00:52:52,702 Anything to do with Indonesia? 1196 00:52:52,703 --> 00:52:55,742 Restitution? The RAA? 1197 00:52:55,743 --> 00:52:57,103 No. 1198 00:53:01,303 --> 00:53:03,703 Did anyone ever tell you that it's rude to stare? 1199 00:53:06,303 --> 00:53:07,903 Just you. 1200 00:53:11,223 --> 00:53:13,502 How'd you get on with the collector? 1201 00:53:13,503 --> 00:53:15,102 Guilty if you ask me. 1202 00:53:15,103 --> 00:53:16,702 PIET: Oh. Very balanced. 1203 00:53:16,703 --> 00:53:18,142 Think about it. 1204 00:53:18,143 --> 00:53:20,342 Murder weapon is in his possession. 1205 00:53:20,343 --> 00:53:23,142 He fell out with the first victim, and he can't meaningfully account 1206 00:53:23,143 --> 00:53:24,822 for his whereabouts at the time of the murders. 1207 00:53:24,823 --> 00:53:28,022 Yeah, the problem is, why would he have an issue with Jan Kappel? 1208 00:53:28,023 --> 00:53:29,382 There's no known connection between them. 1209 00:53:29,383 --> 00:53:32,742 Alright. Hold off arresting him till we find one. 1210 00:53:32,743 --> 00:53:32,983 Alright. Hold off arresting him Keep watching him, though. 1211 00:53:32,984 --> 00:53:34,062 Keep watching him, though. 1212 00:53:34,063 --> 00:53:37,022 How was Jasmijn Brahm? Or Lauren Teuling, as she's now called? 1213 00:53:37,023 --> 00:53:38,142 CITRA: Interesting. 1214 00:53:38,143 --> 00:53:39,622 Composed. 1215 00:53:39,623 --> 00:53:41,862 Quite direct but seemingly open and honest. 1216 00:53:41,863 --> 00:53:44,342 Apart from us, three other people tracked her down. 1217 00:53:44,343 --> 00:53:46,302 Oh. So much for anonymity. Who? 1218 00:53:46,303 --> 00:53:47,742 Both victims. 1219 00:53:47,743 --> 00:53:49,183 Oh, Jan? 1220 00:53:51,063 --> 00:53:52,742 Jan contacted her? 1221 00:53:52,743 --> 00:53:52,983 I mean, we always knew Jan contacted her? 1222 00:53:52,984 --> 00:53:54,462 I mean, we always knew the case affected him deeply. 1223 00:53:54,463 --> 00:53:57,783 Oh, yeah. He had PTSD for years. But he... you know, he got help. 1224 00:53:58,743 --> 00:54:00,782 This is way out of line for him. 1225 00:54:00,783 --> 00:54:02,542 Who else contacted her? 1226 00:54:02,543 --> 00:54:08,622 A crime museum owner and all-round death freak, Herman Zaal. 1227 00:54:08,623 --> 00:54:11,943 He bought the information, passed it on to van der Molden. 1228 00:54:12,903 --> 00:54:15,102 Chief? 1229 00:54:15,103 --> 00:54:16,502 LUCIENNE: Eric van der Molden wanted 1230 00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:18,903 some kind of closure, I guess. 1231 00:54:20,383 --> 00:54:22,742 What about the husband? What do we know about him? 1232 00:54:22,743 --> 00:54:24,662 Well, he wasn't happy to see us, but... 1233 00:54:24,663 --> 00:54:27,542 ..neither would I be, if I had that lot tracking me down. 1234 00:54:27,543 --> 00:54:27,783 ..neither would I be, Let's get everything on him. 1235 00:54:27,784 --> 00:54:28,982 Let's get everything on him. 1236 00:54:28,983 --> 00:54:31,182 Keep an eye on Zaal as well, as suspect. 1237 00:54:31,183 --> 00:54:32,742 CITRA: Or potential next victim. 1238 00:54:32,743 --> 00:54:34,422 Like anyone else that went near this case. 1239 00:54:34,423 --> 00:54:34,663 Like anyone else I want to see Zoe Waterman again. 1240 00:54:34,664 --> 00:54:36,502 I want to see Zoe Waterman again. 1241 00:54:36,503 --> 00:54:40,422 And where we at on the CCTV of the couple seen leaving? 1242 00:54:40,423 --> 00:54:42,902 They live the floor below Zoe Waterman. 1243 00:54:42,903 --> 00:54:44,862 Leaving for their morning run, apparently. 1244 00:54:44,863 --> 00:54:46,262 Health freaks? LUCIENNE: No. 1245 00:54:46,263 --> 00:54:46,503 Health freaks? More that the party kept them awake, 1246 00:54:46,504 --> 00:54:47,662 More that the party kept them awake, 1247 00:54:47,663 --> 00:54:47,903 so they thought More that the party kept them awake, 1248 00:54:47,904 --> 00:54:49,262 so they thought they'd get out of there. 1249 00:54:49,263 --> 00:54:51,782 Although they did mention someone in the apartment next to them, 1250 00:54:51,783 --> 00:54:52,023 Although they did mention someone for holiday rent. 1251 00:54:52,024 --> 00:54:53,142 for holiday rent. 1252 00:54:53,143 --> 00:54:54,902 OK. Find out who. 1253 00:54:54,903 --> 00:54:56,382 Better still... 1254 00:54:56,383 --> 00:54:57,782 ..get the keys. 1255 00:54:57,783 --> 00:54:59,902 I need you in my office first. 1256 00:54:59,903 --> 00:55:01,743 We've got a visitor. 1257 00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:09,022 Oh. What the hell do you think you're doing? 1258 00:55:09,023 --> 00:55:12,822 How dare you? How dare you go and see Lauren? 1259 00:55:12,823 --> 00:55:16,502 That's an infringement of your powers, and you know it. 1260 00:55:16,503 --> 00:55:17,263 I should report you. 1261 00:55:17,264 --> 00:55:19,182 PIET: Yeah, well, it was me that disobeyed orders, 1262 00:55:19,183 --> 00:55:21,022 but I wouldn't go pointing the finger if I were you. 1263 00:55:21,023 --> 00:55:21,263 but I wouldn't go pointing the finger Meaning what exactly? 1264 00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:22,542 Meaning what exactly? 1265 00:55:22,543 --> 00:55:22,783 You're meant to be in charge of Meaning what exactly? 1266 00:55:22,784 --> 00:55:25,222 You're meant to be in charge of keeping her identity secret. 1267 00:55:25,223 --> 00:55:27,942 Three people at least have breached that. 1268 00:55:27,943 --> 00:55:28,183 Three people at least I mean, maybe we should report you. 1269 00:55:28,184 --> 00:55:30,063 I mean, maybe we should report you. 1270 00:55:31,023 --> 00:55:34,142 Well, Kappel, just like you guys, abused his position. 1271 00:55:34,143 --> 00:55:37,142 Jan Kappel was an experienced professional. 1272 00:55:37,143 --> 00:55:37,383 Jan Kappel Really? 1273 00:55:37,384 --> 00:55:38,502 Really? 1274 00:55:38,503 --> 00:55:42,422 Maybe it was him that sold the information to Zaal. 1275 00:55:42,423 --> 00:55:43,942 He wouldn't do that. 1276 00:55:43,943 --> 00:55:45,902 PIET: And what about Eric van der Molden? 1277 00:55:45,903 --> 00:55:48,062 I mean, not only did he have access to Jasmijn... 1278 00:55:48,063 --> 00:55:48,303 I mean, not only did he have access HANNA: Lauren. 1279 00:55:48,304 --> 00:55:49,462 HANNA: Lauren. 1280 00:55:49,463 --> 00:55:50,263 PIET: Whatever. 1281 00:55:50,264 --> 00:55:51,742 ..she agreed to meet him. 1282 00:55:51,743 --> 00:55:55,102 Can you just imagine what it's like for her? 1283 00:55:55,103 --> 00:55:55,343 Can you just imagine She didn't know what she was doing. 1284 00:55:55,344 --> 00:55:56,942 She didn't know what she was doing. 1285 00:55:56,943 --> 00:55:57,183 She broke the terms of her release. She didn't know what she was doing. 1286 00:55:57,184 --> 00:55:59,782 She broke the terms of her release. I mean, that's deceitful. 1287 00:55:59,783 --> 00:56:00,023 She broke the terms of her release. Did you report her? 1288 00:56:00,024 --> 00:56:01,542 Did you report her? 1289 00:56:01,543 --> 00:56:04,382 Of course I did. And she's... she won't do it again. 1290 00:56:04,383 --> 00:56:07,982 JULIA: Yeah, well, try and look at it from our point of view. 1291 00:56:07,983 --> 00:56:10,222 We have two dead bodies, 1292 00:56:10,223 --> 00:56:13,062 both known to Jasmijn... Lauren, 1293 00:56:13,063 --> 00:56:14,942 and both linked to her case. 1294 00:56:14,943 --> 00:56:16,822 Both made contact with her. 1295 00:56:16,823 --> 00:56:20,382 I mean, how do we even know that she's rehabilitated? 1296 00:56:20,383 --> 00:56:22,102 Because I know Lauren. 1297 00:56:22,103 --> 00:56:25,022 I'm not even sure she was guilty. 1298 00:56:25,023 --> 00:56:27,142 In fact, I think she was innocent. 1299 00:56:27,143 --> 00:56:29,142 JULIA: Innocent? Yeah. 1300 00:56:29,143 --> 00:56:32,702 OK, so, the testimony of the 12-year-old boy could be flawed, 1301 00:56:32,703 --> 00:56:37,262 but there were forensics AND a confession. 1302 00:56:37,263 --> 00:56:40,622 And more to the point, if she was guilty and isn't rehabilitated, 1303 00:56:40,623 --> 00:56:43,062 she might kill again. She won't. 1304 00:56:43,063 --> 00:56:46,662 And if she's innocent, did time for a crime she didn't commit, 1305 00:56:46,663 --> 00:56:48,822 I don't know, she might have revenge on her mind. 1306 00:56:48,823 --> 00:56:49,063 I don't know, She's not a killer. 1307 00:56:49,064 --> 00:56:50,863 She's not a killer. 1308 00:56:53,543 --> 00:56:55,782 Tell us about the husband, then. JULIA: Oh. 1309 00:56:55,783 --> 00:56:57,902 No. PIET: Come on. Give us something. 1310 00:56:57,903 --> 00:56:58,143 No. No. 'Cause I don't have to. 1311 00:56:58,144 --> 00:57:00,382 No. 'Cause I don't have to. 1312 00:57:00,383 --> 00:57:03,062 And that's not why I'm here. 1313 00:57:03,063 --> 00:57:04,582 I am here 1314 00:57:04,583 --> 00:57:04,823 to tell you that if you I am here 1315 00:57:04,824 --> 00:57:07,942 to tell you that if you approach either of them again 1316 00:57:07,943 --> 00:57:08,183 to tell you that if you without my permission 1317 00:57:08,184 --> 00:57:10,022 without my permission 1318 00:57:10,023 --> 00:57:12,023 or without me being there... 1319 00:57:13,343 --> 00:57:15,543 ..then I will report you. 1320 00:57:16,703 --> 00:57:18,583 Understood. 1321 00:57:30,663 --> 00:57:33,502 Oh, we could get into very deep water on this. 1322 00:57:33,503 --> 00:57:36,263 I know. No change there, then. 1323 00:57:48,063 --> 00:57:49,623 HENDRIK: Hey, w...? 1324 00:57:51,103 --> 00:57:53,022 What, am I doing your paperwork as well now? 1325 00:57:53,023 --> 00:57:53,263 What, am I doing your paperwork CITRA: Not exactly. 1326 00:57:53,264 --> 00:57:54,342 CITRA: Not exactly. 1327 00:57:54,343 --> 00:57:55,902 Early Christmas presents from Piet. 1328 00:57:55,903 --> 00:57:58,662 This is all the forensics on the original Jasmijn Brahm case. 1329 00:57:58,663 --> 00:58:00,463 Yeah, well, you can tell Piet to... 1330 00:58:16,183 --> 00:58:19,502 Vincent Teuling's a grief counsellor. 1331 00:58:19,503 --> 00:58:20,982 Really? 1332 00:58:20,983 --> 00:58:23,542 Wonder how they met. How her past came up. 1333 00:58:23,543 --> 00:58:23,783 Wonder how they met. It's not your typical pillow talk. 1334 00:58:23,784 --> 00:58:25,462 It's not your typical pillow talk. 1335 00:58:25,463 --> 00:58:27,342 Wonder how he was able to deal with it. 1336 00:58:27,343 --> 00:58:28,702 Well, maybe he hasn't. 1337 00:58:28,703 --> 00:58:28,943 Go for it. 1338 00:58:28,944 --> 00:58:30,343 Go for it. 1339 00:58:34,703 --> 00:58:36,382 Thanks. 1340 00:58:36,383 --> 00:58:37,982 It's the apartment owner. 1341 00:58:37,983 --> 00:58:40,262 Person staying on the second floor yesterday, 1342 00:58:40,263 --> 00:58:42,982 but for one night only, gone now, name of Kroesen. 1343 00:58:42,983 --> 00:58:45,022 Right. Got the keys? Nope. 1344 00:58:45,023 --> 00:58:46,462 But we've got a code to get in. 1345 00:58:46,463 --> 00:58:47,863 Let's do it. Mm-hm. 1346 00:58:50,983 --> 00:58:53,543 Is it worth getting Forensics to do a sweep? 1347 00:58:56,143 --> 00:58:58,382 When we checked out the CCTV of people leaving, 1348 00:58:58,383 --> 00:59:01,582 not just at the time of the murder, all day, 1349 00:59:01,583 --> 00:59:04,382 we saw the partygoers leave, we saw the other couple leave, 1350 00:59:04,383 --> 00:59:05,822 but we didn't see anyone else. 1351 00:59:05,823 --> 00:59:07,222 Yeah. 1352 00:59:07,223 --> 00:59:10,342 Whereas this apartment has access to a back way out. 1353 00:59:10,343 --> 00:59:10,583 Whereas this apartment has access Exactly. 1354 00:59:10,584 --> 00:59:11,983 Exactly. 1355 00:59:41,183 --> 00:59:42,942 Hey. 1356 00:59:42,943 --> 00:59:46,183 Sorry to ruin the mood, but, uh, we need a word. 1357 00:59:51,583 --> 00:59:54,982 So, you two are close, then? 1358 00:59:54,983 --> 00:59:58,222 Is there a problem with that? Not at all. Unless it's relevant. 1359 00:59:58,223 --> 00:59:58,463 Is there a problem with that? PIET: Did Ric know? 1360 00:59:58,464 --> 00:59:59,862 PIET: Did Ric know? 1361 00:59:59,863 --> 01:00:01,462 No! 1362 01:00:01,463 --> 01:00:03,622 No. It's a recent thing. 1363 01:00:03,623 --> 01:00:05,702 Things haven't been... 1364 01:00:05,703 --> 01:00:08,102 ..weren't great between me and Ric. 1365 01:00:08,103 --> 01:00:09,942 I was going to tell him. 1366 01:00:09,943 --> 01:00:11,462 No need now. 1367 01:00:11,463 --> 01:00:13,662 His death has seen to that. 1368 01:00:13,663 --> 01:00:16,342 The apartment next door, I don't suppose 1369 01:00:16,343 --> 01:00:19,582 you saw who was staying there yesterday? 1370 01:00:19,583 --> 01:00:20,543 No. 1371 01:00:20,544 --> 01:00:22,782 What about Jasmijn Brahm? 1372 01:00:22,783 --> 01:00:25,302 Do you know her? ZOE: Of her. 1373 01:00:25,303 --> 01:00:25,543 Do you know her? I'm familiar with the case. 1374 01:00:25,544 --> 01:00:27,342 I'm familiar with the case. 1375 01:00:27,343 --> 01:00:28,702 Ric mentioned it. 1376 01:00:28,703 --> 01:00:30,742 Did he mention he'd seen her? 1377 01:00:30,743 --> 01:00:33,622 Oh, from the look on your face, he didn't. 1378 01:00:33,623 --> 01:00:33,863 Oh, from the look on your face, Yeah, Ric's friend, Herman Zaal, 1379 01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:36,102 Yeah, Ric's friend, Herman Zaal, 1380 01:00:36,103 --> 01:00:37,742 tracked her down. 1381 01:00:37,743 --> 01:00:39,862 Ric was deeply disturbed. 1382 01:00:39,863 --> 01:00:41,982 He was... 1383 01:00:41,983 --> 01:00:43,902 ..dark. 1384 01:00:43,903 --> 01:00:46,382 He had blind spots. PIET: Such as? 1385 01:00:46,383 --> 01:00:48,102 ZOE: There were nightmares. 1386 01:00:48,103 --> 01:00:50,262 And anything connected with... 1387 01:00:50,263 --> 01:00:51,903 ..emotion. 1388 01:00:53,543 --> 01:00:55,782 Couldn't really feel for people. 1389 01:00:55,783 --> 01:00:59,062 That's why he had no time for the repatriation. 1390 01:00:59,063 --> 01:00:59,303 That's why he had no time "What's done is done," he would say. 1391 01:00:59,304 --> 01:01:01,583 "What's done is done," he would say. 1392 01:01:03,263 --> 01:01:04,823 "What's done is done." 1393 01:01:06,583 --> 01:01:08,822 Do you think that applied to Jasmijn Brahm? 1394 01:01:08,823 --> 01:01:09,063 Do you think that applied I don't know. 1395 01:01:09,064 --> 01:01:10,662 I don't know. 1396 01:01:10,663 --> 01:01:13,262 He couldn't get her out of his head. 1397 01:01:13,263 --> 01:01:15,222 He... 1398 01:01:15,223 --> 01:01:17,703 ..he just couldn't let it go. 1399 01:01:18,663 --> 01:01:20,862 Did he ever tell you - 1400 01:01:20,863 --> 01:01:22,662 I mean, first-hand - 1401 01:01:22,663 --> 01:01:24,502 what he saw? 1402 01:01:24,503 --> 01:01:26,542 We didn't talk about it. 1403 01:01:26,543 --> 01:01:28,062 LUCIENNE: Did he blame Jasmijn? 1404 01:01:28,063 --> 01:01:30,502 Was he angry with her? 1405 01:01:30,503 --> 01:01:32,542 He... 1406 01:01:32,543 --> 01:01:35,542 ..tried to understand her. 1407 01:01:35,543 --> 01:01:35,783 It's not just that the boys, ..tried to understand her. 1408 01:01:35,784 --> 01:01:38,702 It's not just that the boys, her brothers, were his friends. 1409 01:01:38,703 --> 01:01:38,943 It's not just that the boys, She was, too. 1410 01:01:38,944 --> 01:01:40,343 She was, too. 1411 01:01:41,303 --> 01:01:43,062 He looked up to her. 1412 01:01:43,063 --> 01:01:45,262 WOMAN: He wasn't the most... 1413 01:01:45,263 --> 01:01:46,822 ..sensitive. 1414 01:01:46,823 --> 01:01:49,022 He could get aggressive. 1415 01:01:49,023 --> 01:01:51,582 I'm sorry, but... 1416 01:01:51,583 --> 01:01:53,983 ..can you be more specific? 1417 01:01:55,023 --> 01:01:57,222 He liked aggressive sex. 1418 01:01:57,223 --> 01:02:00,582 He liked to be in control and he liked to inflict pain. 1419 01:02:00,583 --> 01:02:00,823 He liked to be in control PIET: OK, but... 1420 01:02:00,824 --> 01:02:02,382 PIET: OK, but... 1421 01:02:02,383 --> 01:02:02,623 ..I mean, PIET: OK, but... 1422 01:02:02,624 --> 01:02:06,463 ..I mean, what exactly gave him a thrill? 1423 01:02:08,663 --> 01:02:10,463 Cruelty. 1424 01:02:14,543 --> 01:02:16,142 Was Ric van der Molden into cruelty 1425 01:02:16,143 --> 01:02:18,222 because he witnessed the ultimate act of it? 1426 01:02:18,223 --> 01:02:18,463 because he witnessed Oh, who knows? 1427 01:02:18,464 --> 01:02:20,103 Oh, who knows? 1428 01:02:21,063 --> 01:02:22,542 What about those two? 1429 01:02:22,543 --> 01:02:24,582 They're into each other. 1430 01:02:24,583 --> 01:02:27,382 Ric inflicted pain on Zoe. 1431 01:02:27,383 --> 01:02:29,782 Maybe she'd had enough. 1432 01:02:29,783 --> 01:02:32,822 New girl on the block intervenes. He's not gonna hurt her anymore. 1433 01:02:32,823 --> 01:02:34,822 Yeah, but where does Jan fit into that? 1434 01:02:34,823 --> 01:02:36,902 Well, we now know he was obsessed with the case. 1435 01:02:36,903 --> 01:02:40,342 Maybe he got in touch with Ric van der Molden, too. 1436 01:02:40,343 --> 01:02:40,583 Maybe he got in touch Or he discovered something new. 1437 01:02:40,584 --> 01:02:43,063 Or he discovered something new. 1438 01:02:57,783 --> 01:02:59,342 Do you know this man? 1439 01:02:59,343 --> 01:03:00,982 No. Why? Is he dead? 1440 01:03:00,983 --> 01:03:03,742 Yes. As a matter of fact, he is. 1441 01:03:03,743 --> 01:03:05,062 Hmm. 1442 01:03:05,063 --> 01:03:07,382 Can I get some copies of that photo, please, 1443 01:03:07,383 --> 01:03:10,142 and, ideally, some additional ones of the crime scene? 1444 01:03:10,143 --> 01:03:12,662 How was he killed? Uh, no. You cannot. 1445 01:03:12,663 --> 01:03:15,782 Uh, we know that Ric saw Jasmijn Brahm. 1446 01:03:15,783 --> 01:03:16,023 Uh, we know Why? What did he want? 1447 01:03:16,024 --> 01:03:18,662 Why? What did he want? 1448 01:03:18,663 --> 01:03:21,063 To meet her face to face. 1449 01:03:22,463 --> 01:03:24,342 Fascinating, right? Look. 1450 01:03:24,343 --> 01:03:27,942 Two people who've made contact with Jasmijn Brahm are now dead. 1451 01:03:27,943 --> 01:03:28,183 Two people who've made contact Oi. 1452 01:03:28,184 --> 01:03:30,302 Oi. 1453 01:03:30,303 --> 01:03:31,863 You made contact with her, too. 1454 01:03:33,103 --> 01:03:34,743 Meaning I'm next? 1455 01:03:36,543 --> 01:03:39,062 That would be fun, wouldn't it? 1456 01:03:39,063 --> 01:03:41,182 I could be an exhibit in my own museum. 1457 01:03:41,183 --> 01:03:41,423 I could be an exhibit I wouldn't joke about it. 1458 01:03:41,424 --> 01:03:42,902 I wouldn't joke about it. 1459 01:03:42,903 --> 01:03:45,063 EDDIE: Why did you track her down? 1460 01:03:46,703 --> 01:03:48,582 Why do you think? 1461 01:03:48,583 --> 01:03:51,103 I mean, this place is fine, but... 1462 01:03:52,863 --> 01:03:55,542 ..it's sort of full of the dead. 1463 01:03:55,543 --> 01:03:57,862 Is that not the point? 1464 01:03:57,863 --> 01:04:02,702 It's not the same as a real living, breathing murderer. 1465 01:04:02,703 --> 01:04:02,943 It's not the same as Is it? 1466 01:04:02,944 --> 01:04:04,302 Is it? 1467 01:04:04,303 --> 01:04:06,502 Look, I... I just wanted to say that I'd met one, 1468 01:04:06,503 --> 01:04:08,542 maybe take some pictures, 1469 01:04:08,543 --> 01:04:11,062 some memorabilia, a couple of anecdotes. 1470 01:04:11,063 --> 01:04:11,303 some memorabilia, And did you? 1471 01:04:11,304 --> 01:04:13,302 And did you? 1472 01:04:13,303 --> 01:04:17,143 No. Her and her husband rejected my request. 1473 01:04:18,743 --> 01:04:21,942 They threatened to, uh, hospitalise me 1474 01:04:21,943 --> 01:04:22,183 They threatened to, uh, if I didn't stay away. 1475 01:04:22,184 --> 01:04:23,983 if I didn't stay away. 1476 01:04:32,023 --> 01:04:35,862 OK. I see you joined the RAA. 1477 01:04:35,863 --> 01:04:37,942 Wasn't even sure you liked her. 1478 01:04:37,943 --> 01:04:39,662 I joined nine months ago. 1479 01:04:39,663 --> 01:04:41,743 I just didn't make a song and dance about it. 1480 01:04:51,023 --> 01:04:52,342 Hey. 1481 01:04:52,343 --> 01:04:53,742 Take a look at this. 1482 01:04:53,743 --> 01:04:53,983 Max Langenburg's Take a look at this. 1483 01:04:53,984 --> 01:04:55,342 Max Langenburg's coverage of the sword. 1484 01:04:55,343 --> 01:04:55,583 Max Langenburg's It disappears for over two hours, 1485 01:04:55,584 --> 01:04:58,022 It disappears for over two hours, 1486 01:04:58,023 --> 01:05:01,102 during which time Ric van der Molden was killed. 1487 01:05:01,103 --> 01:05:03,222 Langenburg could have disabled the security himself. 1488 01:05:03,223 --> 01:05:04,063 LUCIENNE: Yeah. 1489 01:05:04,063 --> 01:05:04,303 Or whoever took the sword disabled the footage LUCIENNE: Yeah. 1490 01:05:04,304 --> 01:05:05,742 Or whoever took the sword disabled the footage 1491 01:05:05,743 --> 01:05:05,983 Or whoever took the sword because they knew we'd be looking. 1492 01:05:05,984 --> 01:05:07,182 because they knew we'd be looking. 1493 01:05:07,183 --> 01:05:09,662 Langenburg claims not to have heard anything. 1494 01:05:09,663 --> 01:05:11,622 Maybe he slept through it? 1495 01:05:11,623 --> 01:05:13,102 Get Forensics down there. 1496 01:05:13,103 --> 01:05:14,742 How was Mr Crime Museum? 1497 01:05:14,743 --> 01:05:15,982 CITRA: Interesting. 1498 01:05:15,983 --> 01:05:18,382 In a weird kind of way. EDDIE: Yeah. 1499 01:05:18,383 --> 01:05:20,062 Nightmare. Literally. Gave me the creeps. 1500 01:05:20,063 --> 01:05:20,303 Nightmare. Literally. PIET: What did you get? 1501 01:05:20,303 --> 01:05:21,223 PIET: What did you get? 1502 01:05:21,224 --> 01:05:24,102 Nothing, just that Vincent Teuling threatened violence on Herman Zaal 1503 01:05:24,103 --> 01:05:24,343 Nothing, just that Vincent Teuling if he ever came near his wife again. 1504 01:05:24,344 --> 01:05:26,143 if he ever came near his wife again. 1505 01:05:28,743 --> 01:05:30,982 Hey, um, might have found something. 1506 01:05:30,983 --> 01:05:34,102 Did Lauren Teuling say she knew anything about restitution? 1507 01:05:34,103 --> 01:05:38,382 CITRA: No. The opposite. She denied it. Why? 1508 01:05:38,383 --> 01:05:39,902 EDDIE: She follows the RAA too. 1509 01:05:39,903 --> 01:05:41,542 She lied. 1510 01:05:41,543 --> 01:05:42,863 CITRA: Again. 1511 01:05:45,383 --> 01:05:47,862 Lauren Teuling. How do you know her? 1512 01:05:47,863 --> 01:05:48,103 She's been to a couple of meetings Lauren Teuling. How do you know her? 1513 01:05:48,104 --> 01:05:50,342 She's been to a couple of meetings we've had. 1514 01:05:50,343 --> 01:05:52,022 She's been a great support, really. 1515 01:05:52,023 --> 01:05:53,862 Encouraging me, teaching me. 1516 01:05:53,863 --> 01:05:55,782 She's very clever. 1517 01:05:55,783 --> 01:05:57,383 I don't doubt that. 1518 01:06:01,703 --> 01:06:04,822 It's Forensics. They drew a blank on the apartment. 1519 01:06:04,823 --> 01:06:06,782 Although they did think there were signs 1520 01:06:06,783 --> 01:06:08,742 someone had wiped the place clean. 1521 01:06:08,743 --> 01:06:11,742 Professional job. 1522 01:06:11,743 --> 01:06:11,983 What about the collector's house? 1523 01:06:11,984 --> 01:06:13,702 What about the collector's house? 1524 01:06:13,703 --> 01:06:17,263 Well, officers have already searched the premises. Nothing so far. 1525 01:06:20,023 --> 01:06:21,862 Timing never was Lena's strong point. 1526 01:06:21,863 --> 01:06:24,062 No, you should really call her back, you know. 1527 01:06:24,063 --> 01:06:24,303 No, you should really Yeah. I mean, it's not like I'm busy. 1528 01:06:24,304 --> 01:06:26,103 Yeah. I mean, it's not like I'm busy. 1529 01:06:29,103 --> 01:06:31,342 I told you we should never have agreed to meet them. 1530 01:06:31,343 --> 01:06:33,582 We had little choice. Well, we had some! 1531 01:06:33,583 --> 01:06:35,823 We just didn't take it. 1532 01:06:43,823 --> 01:06:45,703 Hi. Hi. 1533 01:06:51,943 --> 01:06:54,262 We'd like to talk to Lauren alone, if that's alright. 1534 01:06:54,263 --> 01:06:54,503 We'd like to talk to Lauren alone, It's not. 1535 01:06:54,504 --> 01:06:55,822 It's not. 1536 01:06:55,823 --> 01:06:58,582 I didn't mean without you. I meant without him. 1537 01:06:58,583 --> 01:06:58,823 I didn't mean without you. What if I'm not happy about that? 1538 01:06:58,824 --> 01:07:00,302 What if I'm not happy about that? 1539 01:07:00,303 --> 01:07:01,662 LUCIENNE: You can off-load to me. 1540 01:07:01,663 --> 01:07:04,062 I want to talk to you anyway. 1541 01:07:04,063 --> 01:07:05,783 PIET: Shall we? 1542 01:07:17,303 --> 01:07:20,582 You said you didn't know anything about restitution. 1543 01:07:20,583 --> 01:07:23,422 But you follow Johanna Kolen, who's all about that. 1544 01:07:23,423 --> 01:07:26,663 Am I not allowed to support a worthy cause, even? 1545 01:07:29,143 --> 01:07:32,423 My ancestors were plantation owners in North Sumatra. 1546 01:07:33,503 --> 01:07:35,222 It's never sat well with me. 1547 01:07:35,223 --> 01:07:36,782 Still... 1548 01:07:36,783 --> 01:07:39,182 You lied. Why? 1549 01:07:39,183 --> 01:07:42,182 I didn't want Johanna sucked into any of this. 1550 01:07:42,183 --> 01:07:42,423 I didn't want Johanna Because? 1551 01:07:42,424 --> 01:07:43,742 Because? 1552 01:07:43,743 --> 01:07:45,662 Because she's an innocent. 1553 01:07:45,663 --> 01:07:48,262 What, the person you could have been? 1554 01:07:48,263 --> 01:07:50,262 HANNA: Not for 14 years in prison. 1555 01:07:50,263 --> 01:07:53,183 Isolation. Vilification. Hatred. 1556 01:07:55,183 --> 01:07:56,662 What about before prison? 1557 01:07:56,663 --> 01:07:59,062 It really doesn't matter about me. 1558 01:07:59,063 --> 01:08:01,542 Well, I think this case proves it does. 1559 01:08:01,543 --> 01:08:01,783 Well, I think this case proves I believe in the idea of redemption. 1560 01:08:01,784 --> 01:08:04,223 I believe in the idea of redemption. 1561 01:08:05,343 --> 01:08:07,103 A country giving back what it stole. 1562 01:08:08,783 --> 01:08:10,702 It's never too late. 1563 01:08:10,703 --> 01:08:13,863 What if you can't give back what was stolen? 1564 01:08:19,823 --> 01:08:21,783 I just want you all to go away. 1565 01:08:22,743 --> 01:08:25,422 What about Ric van der Molden and Jan Kappel? 1566 01:08:25,423 --> 01:08:28,342 Wanted them to go away? Yes. 1567 01:08:28,343 --> 01:08:31,102 I've loved Lauren since the day we met. 1568 01:08:31,103 --> 01:08:31,343 I've loved Lauren We deserve our happy ever after. 1569 01:08:31,344 --> 01:08:33,023 We deserve our happy ever after. 1570 01:08:37,303 --> 01:08:39,742 CITRA: What exactly has Lauren been teaching you? 1571 01:08:39,743 --> 01:08:39,983 CITRA: What exactly Um... 1572 01:08:39,984 --> 01:08:41,182 Um... 1573 01:08:41,183 --> 01:08:41,423 ..she thinks I need to learn Um... 1574 01:08:41,424 --> 01:08:44,942 ..she thinks I need to learn a bit more patience. 1575 01:08:44,943 --> 01:08:45,183 ..she thinks I need to learn I can be a bit hot-headed sometimes. 1576 01:08:45,184 --> 01:08:47,422 I can be a bit hot-headed sometimes. 1577 01:08:47,423 --> 01:08:48,822 Can't we all? 1578 01:08:48,823 --> 01:08:51,143 No. 1579 01:08:53,423 --> 01:08:55,543 Sorry. Yep. 1580 01:08:58,903 --> 01:09:00,782 She just seems to know what it's like 1581 01:09:00,783 --> 01:09:02,462 to have lost your soul, you know? 1582 01:09:02,463 --> 01:09:04,942 Are you saying she's soulless? JOHANNA: No! 1583 01:09:04,943 --> 01:09:08,062 No, not her, the museums. 1584 01:09:08,063 --> 01:09:12,262 That's what they do. They steal the souls of ancient cultures, right? 1585 01:09:12,263 --> 01:09:14,742 She just gets that. 1586 01:09:14,743 --> 01:09:17,222 And... how do you think she gets that? 1587 01:09:17,223 --> 01:09:17,463 And... how do you think I don't know. 1588 01:09:17,463 --> 01:09:18,383 I don't know. 1589 01:09:18,384 --> 01:09:19,902 EDDIE: We need to go. 1590 01:09:19,903 --> 01:09:20,983 CITRA: OK. 1591 01:09:22,663 --> 01:09:24,622 Lauren lived around the corner. 1592 01:09:24,623 --> 01:09:27,022 I saw her around. 1593 01:09:27,023 --> 01:09:28,702 Always on her own. 1594 01:09:28,703 --> 01:09:30,702 I was unhappy, single. 1595 01:09:30,703 --> 01:09:32,662 I introduced myself and... 1596 01:09:32,663 --> 01:09:35,582 ..never left. Love at first sight. 1597 01:09:35,583 --> 01:09:37,222 Simple as that. 1598 01:09:37,223 --> 01:09:39,022 And then you were together? 1599 01:09:39,023 --> 01:09:40,502 No. No. 1600 01:09:40,503 --> 01:09:43,582 She kept trying to end it, dozens of times. 1601 01:09:43,583 --> 01:09:46,142 I couldn't understand it because we were so good. 1602 01:09:46,143 --> 01:09:48,222 And then she told you? 1603 01:09:48,223 --> 01:09:48,463 And then she told you? Yes. 1604 01:09:48,464 --> 01:09:49,822 Yes. 1605 01:09:49,823 --> 01:09:52,662 Thought it would see me off once and for all. 1606 01:09:52,663 --> 01:09:52,903 Thought it would see me off And it did, 1607 01:09:52,904 --> 01:09:54,622 And it did, 1608 01:09:54,623 --> 01:09:56,822 for about three months. 1609 01:09:56,823 --> 01:09:58,462 Then what changed? 1610 01:09:58,463 --> 01:10:00,983 I figured everyone deserves a second chance. 1611 01:10:02,183 --> 01:10:04,062 Lauren and I got married. 1612 01:10:04,063 --> 01:10:05,703 We had kids. 1613 01:10:06,663 --> 01:10:08,902 We were both happy for the first time in our lives. 1614 01:10:08,903 --> 01:10:10,822 And then... 1615 01:10:10,823 --> 01:10:13,662 ..then they all started contacting her, 1616 01:10:13,663 --> 01:10:13,903 ..then they all started first Kappel, then Zaal, then Eric. 1617 01:10:13,904 --> 01:10:17,423 first Kappel, then Zaal, then Eric. 1618 01:10:19,183 --> 01:10:22,062 I'd happily hospitalise them all if I had met them. 1619 01:10:22,063 --> 01:10:25,343 You must be pleased that two of them are dead, then. 1620 01:10:26,303 --> 01:10:28,942 I just didn't want them bothering us. 1621 01:10:28,943 --> 01:10:31,103 Is that so much to ask? 1622 01:10:34,943 --> 01:10:36,582 Excuse me a minute. 1623 01:10:36,583 --> 01:10:38,502 Yep? EDDIE: Yeah. 1624 01:10:38,503 --> 01:10:39,822 It's about Vincent Teuling. LUCIENNE: OK. 1625 01:10:39,823 --> 01:10:40,063 It's about Vincent Teuling. EDDIE: He's lying. 1626 01:10:40,064 --> 01:10:42,302 EDDIE: He's lying. 1627 01:10:42,303 --> 01:10:44,542 He fell out with the first victim, and he can't meaningfully account 1628 01:10:44,543 --> 01:10:46,462 for his whereabouts at the time of the murders. 1629 01:10:46,463 --> 01:10:47,423 Thanks. 1630 01:10:47,424 --> 01:10:48,983 Leave that with me. 1631 01:11:00,623 --> 01:11:02,290 LUCIENNE: Van der Molden was his patient. 1632 01:11:06,503 --> 01:11:09,382 You said you didn't meet Lauren's unwanted visitors. That right? 1633 01:11:09,383 --> 01:11:09,623 You said you didn't meet Lauren's VINCENT: Mm-hm. 1634 01:11:09,624 --> 01:11:11,062 VINCENT: Mm-hm. 1635 01:11:11,063 --> 01:11:12,822 LUCIENNE: Strange, that. 1636 01:11:12,823 --> 01:11:14,902 We checked your client list. 1637 01:11:14,903 --> 01:11:15,143 You were We checked your client list. 1638 01:11:15,144 --> 01:11:17,583 You were Ric van der Molden's counsellor. 1639 01:11:18,663 --> 01:11:20,423 PIET: Why didn't you tell us that? 1640 01:11:21,863 --> 01:11:22,103 Patient confidentiality. 1641 01:11:22,104 --> 01:11:24,102 Patient confidentiality. PIET: Oh, that's alright. 1642 01:11:24,103 --> 01:11:27,462 The dead don't need patient confidentiality. 1643 01:11:27,463 --> 01:11:30,142 I'm taking it that was not a coincidence. 1644 01:11:30,143 --> 01:11:30,383 I'm taking it No. 1645 01:11:30,384 --> 01:11:31,622 No. 1646 01:11:31,623 --> 01:11:32,942 I sought him out. 1647 01:11:32,943 --> 01:11:34,702 I knew he tried to contact Lauren. 1648 01:11:34,703 --> 01:11:36,662 I wanted to know if he was a threat. 1649 01:11:36,663 --> 01:11:38,942 Like they say, know your enemy. 1650 01:11:38,943 --> 01:11:40,542 Yeah. 1651 01:11:40,543 --> 01:11:42,942 Well, he's now a dead enemy. 1652 01:11:42,943 --> 01:11:46,942 Let me get this straight - you asked a complete stranger 1653 01:11:46,943 --> 01:11:47,183 Let me get this straight - if they needed grief counselling? 1654 01:11:47,184 --> 01:11:49,422 if they needed grief counselling? 1655 01:11:49,423 --> 01:11:50,702 Aren't they meant to come to you? 1656 01:11:50,703 --> 01:11:52,062 I said I knew of the case 1657 01:11:52,063 --> 01:11:53,902 and was studying it for a paper I was writing. 1658 01:11:53,903 --> 01:11:54,143 and was studying it One thing led to another. 1659 01:11:54,144 --> 01:11:55,382 One thing led to another. 1660 01:11:55,383 --> 01:11:55,623 He needed help. One thing led to another. 1661 01:11:55,624 --> 01:11:58,302 He needed help. I needed to know if he was safe. 1662 01:11:58,303 --> 01:12:01,022 Was he? I don't think so, no. 1663 01:12:01,023 --> 01:12:05,063 I think he was a deeply traumatised and troubled human being. 1664 01:12:07,783 --> 01:12:10,382 You like squirrelling your way into people's lives, don't you? 1665 01:12:10,383 --> 01:12:10,623 You like squirrelling your way Lauren is my priority. 1666 01:12:10,624 --> 01:12:14,142 Lauren is my priority. 1667 01:12:14,143 --> 01:12:16,662 I'd do anything to protect her. PIET: Yeah. 1668 01:12:16,663 --> 01:12:16,903 I'd do anything to protect her. That's what worries us. 1669 01:12:16,904 --> 01:12:18,943 That's what worries us. 1670 01:12:51,423 --> 01:12:52,982 JULIA: What you reading? 1671 01:12:52,983 --> 01:12:56,982 Oh, Hanna Zuiderduin's latest report on Lauren Teuling. 1672 01:12:56,983 --> 01:12:58,822 LUCIENNE: And Hanna Zuiderduin's file. 1673 01:12:58,823 --> 01:12:59,063 LUCIENNE: Yeah. Now, she's interesting. 1674 01:12:59,064 --> 01:13:01,302 Yeah. Now, she's interesting. 1675 01:13:01,303 --> 01:13:03,822 Used to be married to a police officer. 1676 01:13:03,823 --> 01:13:04,063 Used to be married Where's Hendrik? 1677 01:13:04,064 --> 01:13:05,222 Where's Hendrik? 1678 01:13:05,223 --> 01:13:07,262 Still locked away. 1679 01:13:07,263 --> 01:13:09,342 So, what do you two think? 1680 01:13:09,343 --> 01:13:11,142 I'm not sure. 1681 01:13:11,143 --> 01:13:14,102 Ric van der Molden lost his two best friends. 1682 01:13:14,103 --> 01:13:14,343 Ric van der Molden So? 1683 01:13:14,344 --> 01:13:15,622 So? 1684 01:13:15,623 --> 01:13:17,702 People lose people close to them and cope. 1685 01:13:17,703 --> 01:13:19,143 I lost my parents. 1686 01:13:20,703 --> 01:13:22,342 Oh, come on. 1687 01:13:22,343 --> 01:13:24,742 You'll have checked me out alright. 1688 01:13:24,743 --> 01:13:27,822 Thing is, um, 1689 01:13:27,823 --> 01:13:31,142 you feel fine most of the time. 1690 01:13:31,143 --> 01:13:33,542 But you... you don't know 1691 01:13:33,543 --> 01:13:36,262 if that's because you've dealt with it or, um... 1692 01:13:36,263 --> 01:13:36,503 if that's because ..you've buried it. 1693 01:13:36,504 --> 01:13:39,302 ..you've buried it. 1694 01:13:39,303 --> 01:13:40,342 It's, um... 1695 01:13:40,343 --> 01:13:42,902 ..it's the same with, um, Ric and Lauren. 1696 01:13:42,903 --> 01:13:43,143 ..it's the same with, um, What do you think? 1697 01:13:43,144 --> 01:13:44,502 What do you think? 1698 01:13:44,503 --> 01:13:46,222 Me? 1699 01:13:46,223 --> 01:13:48,582 I don't know about loss, but... 1700 01:13:48,583 --> 01:13:51,063 ..I believe in forgiveness and redemption. 1701 01:13:52,023 --> 01:13:57,302 Everything I know about the case tells me Lauren is guilty, but... 1702 01:13:57,303 --> 01:13:59,542 ..I don't know, I... 1703 01:13:59,543 --> 01:14:02,223 ..think maybe it's not her killing now. 1704 01:14:04,063 --> 01:14:06,023 And I think... 1705 01:14:07,223 --> 01:14:09,783 ..but I think maybe she didn't do it back then either. 1706 01:14:10,743 --> 01:14:12,542 That's what Piet thought. 1707 01:14:12,543 --> 01:14:15,022 LUCIENNE: What, that she was innocent? 1708 01:14:15,023 --> 01:14:16,262 Yep. 1709 01:14:16,263 --> 01:14:19,062 I disagreed with the court of public opinion. 1710 01:14:19,063 --> 01:14:19,303 I disagreed with It seems I was wrong. 1711 01:14:19,304 --> 01:14:21,182 It seems I was wrong. 1712 01:14:21,183 --> 01:14:23,262 Can't argue with a confession. 1713 01:14:23,263 --> 01:14:24,902 Well, actually... 1714 01:14:24,903 --> 01:14:26,382 ..you can. 1715 01:14:26,383 --> 01:14:28,062 False confession syndrome. 1716 01:14:28,063 --> 01:14:30,022 Three types. 1717 01:14:30,023 --> 01:14:30,263 People who want Three types. 1718 01:14:30,264 --> 01:14:32,822 People who want their 15 minutes of fame. 1719 01:14:32,823 --> 01:14:37,382 People who confess under pressure to get the police off their back. 1720 01:14:37,383 --> 01:14:38,902 Vulnerable people - 1721 01:14:38,903 --> 01:14:42,062 genuinely, but wrongly, believe they did it. 1722 01:14:42,063 --> 01:14:43,542 They internalise the guilt 1723 01:14:43,543 --> 01:14:46,742 and accept the version of events they're presented with. 1724 01:14:46,743 --> 01:14:46,983 and accept the version of events I mean... 1725 01:14:46,984 --> 01:14:48,982 I mean... 1726 01:14:48,983 --> 01:14:51,383 ..we know she had blackouts. 1727 01:14:52,303 --> 01:14:55,062 So, do you think she was innocent? 1728 01:14:55,063 --> 01:14:56,422 I don't know. 1729 01:14:56,423 --> 01:14:59,503 But if she didn't kill her brothers, who did? 1730 01:15:11,463 --> 01:15:13,862 Sorry to, uh, interrupt. 1731 01:15:13,863 --> 01:15:15,062 Uh... 1732 01:15:15,063 --> 01:15:16,342 ..I went to the boat, 1733 01:15:16,343 --> 01:15:18,542 but you weren't there, so I... 1734 01:15:18,543 --> 01:15:20,622 ..figured you... 1735 01:15:20,623 --> 01:15:22,703 ..might be here. 1736 01:15:24,543 --> 01:15:26,023 I'm here. 1737 01:15:27,303 --> 01:15:29,622 I'm... really sorry. 1738 01:15:29,623 --> 01:15:32,022 We're, uh, busy. 1739 01:15:32,023 --> 01:15:34,382 Oh, so, now's... 1740 01:15:34,383 --> 01:15:36,263 ..not a good time? 1741 01:15:38,663 --> 01:15:41,343 OK. Sorry. 1742 01:15:44,983 --> 01:15:47,702 I know I lied. 1743 01:15:47,703 --> 01:15:50,102 And I know I hurt you. 1744 01:15:50,103 --> 01:15:52,582 I didn't mean to. I... 1745 01:15:52,583 --> 01:15:53,863 ..I regret that. 1746 01:15:54,823 --> 01:15:56,342 And if you... 1747 01:15:56,343 --> 01:15:59,102 ..could see it in you to... to... 1748 01:15:59,103 --> 01:16:01,382 ..um, at least... 1749 01:16:01,383 --> 01:16:03,102 ..let me try to explain, 1750 01:16:03,103 --> 01:16:05,502 I, uh... 1751 01:16:05,503 --> 01:16:06,862 ..uh... 1752 01:16:06,863 --> 01:16:09,542 ..I'd like to think we... 1753 01:16:09,543 --> 01:16:11,782 ..could at least be... 1754 01:16:11,783 --> 01:16:13,423 ..friends? 1755 01:16:19,863 --> 01:16:21,902 I don't really do friends. 1756 01:16:21,903 --> 01:16:23,302 I mean... 1757 01:16:23,303 --> 01:16:24,902 ..I mean, a... 1758 01:16:24,903 --> 01:16:27,303 ..part from this lot. 1759 01:16:32,783 --> 01:16:33,982 Lena, now's... 1760 01:16:33,983 --> 01:16:35,982 ..really not a good time. 1761 01:16:35,983 --> 01:16:37,662 Oh. 1762 01:16:37,663 --> 01:16:39,303 Yeah. 1763 01:16:41,263 --> 01:16:42,263 OK. 1764 01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:43,463 OK. Sorry. 1765 01:16:57,783 --> 01:16:59,023 Right. 1766 01:17:00,663 --> 01:17:02,422 Let's fight fire... 1767 01:17:02,423 --> 01:17:03,823 ..with fire. 1768 01:17:11,223 --> 01:17:13,263 You coming or what? Yeah. 1769 01:17:26,583 --> 01:17:29,063 HERMAN: Yeah. OK! OK! 1770 01:17:31,823 --> 01:17:33,222 How you doing? 1771 01:17:33,223 --> 01:17:34,823 Hi. 1772 01:17:36,463 --> 01:17:39,662 We're just trying to summon Jasmijn Brahm's... 1773 01:17:39,663 --> 01:17:41,422 ..brothers. 1774 01:17:41,423 --> 01:17:44,182 If that fails, we'll try Al Capone or Vlad the Impaler. 1775 01:17:44,183 --> 01:17:44,423 If that fails, we'll try CITRA: You don't give up, do you? 1776 01:17:44,424 --> 01:17:46,103 CITRA: You don't give up, do you? 1777 01:17:48,423 --> 01:17:50,743 I gather you want to meet a real murderer. 1778 01:17:51,703 --> 01:17:53,622 News spreads. 1779 01:17:53,623 --> 01:17:55,702 Why? Have you got one? 1780 01:17:55,703 --> 01:17:57,223 Possibly. Yeah. 1781 01:17:58,183 --> 01:18:00,702 I mean, I'd have asked you to help me... 1782 01:18:00,703 --> 01:18:00,943 I mean, ..catch them, but, uh... 1783 01:18:00,944 --> 01:18:02,822 ..catch them, but, uh... 1784 01:18:02,823 --> 01:18:05,422 Hey. No, no, no. What? What? What? 1785 01:18:05,423 --> 01:18:08,102 Oh, it's... it's way too risky. 1786 01:18:08,103 --> 01:18:11,662 Risk is my middle name. 1787 01:18:11,663 --> 01:18:14,422 OK, well, it's Christopher, but, please. 1788 01:18:14,423 --> 01:18:14,663 OK, well, it's Christopher, Listen to me. 1789 01:18:14,664 --> 01:18:16,382 Listen to me. 1790 01:18:16,383 --> 01:18:16,623 We'll have to take Listen to me. 1791 01:18:16,624 --> 01:18:19,102 We'll have to take a lot of precautions. 1792 01:18:19,103 --> 01:18:19,343 We'll have to take We'll have to get you kitted out. 1793 01:18:19,344 --> 01:18:21,263 We'll have to get you kitted out. 1794 01:18:22,503 --> 01:18:24,462 I'm not joking. 1795 01:18:24,463 --> 01:18:27,223 This is life-or-death. 1796 01:18:28,703 --> 01:18:30,903 Count me in. 1797 01:18:35,823 --> 01:18:37,862 You've really talked me into this. 1798 01:18:37,863 --> 01:18:40,023 I'll be in touch. 1799 01:18:46,383 --> 01:18:48,942 Hi, Jasmijn. It's Herman Zaal here. 1800 01:18:48,943 --> 01:18:51,302 Don't hang up. I'll go to the press. 1801 01:18:51,303 --> 01:18:53,502 Yeah, we did a ouija board last night. Your brothers came through. 1802 01:18:53,503 --> 01:18:53,743 Yeah, we did a ouija board last They're not happy. 1803 01:18:53,744 --> 01:18:55,462 They're not happy. 1804 01:18:55,463 --> 01:18:57,942 Haarlemmerpoort. 1805 01:18:57,943 --> 01:19:00,342 There's a bench. You can't miss it. 1806 01:19:00,343 --> 01:19:01,982 Why don't you come and say hello this time, 1807 01:19:01,983 --> 01:19:02,223 Why don't you come on your own? 1808 01:19:02,224 --> 01:19:03,902 on your own? 1809 01:19:03,903 --> 01:19:05,622 Done. 1810 01:19:05,623 --> 01:19:07,022 Good. 1811 01:19:07,023 --> 01:19:08,982 OK. You two, find cover. 1812 01:19:08,983 --> 01:19:11,983 Out of sight but close enough to step in if needs be. 1813 01:19:12,983 --> 01:19:14,582 We're staying here, are we? 1814 01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:14,823 PIET: I'm not. We're staying here, are we? 1815 01:19:14,824 --> 01:19:16,182 PIET: I'm not. I've got an errand to run. 1816 01:19:16,183 --> 01:19:16,423 PIET: I'm not. Right, stay here, 1817 01:19:16,424 --> 01:19:17,702 Right, stay here, 1818 01:19:17,703 --> 01:19:20,382 within striking range, case it kicks off. 1819 01:19:20,383 --> 01:19:22,862 Why me? Because you're the best shot. 1820 01:19:22,863 --> 01:19:24,662 Right? The killer hasn't seen you yet. 1821 01:19:24,663 --> 01:19:24,903 Right? Chill out. I'm coming back. 1822 01:19:24,904 --> 01:19:26,903 Chill out. I'm coming back. 1823 01:19:36,263 --> 01:19:38,502 PIET: Yep. Piet. 1824 01:19:38,503 --> 01:19:42,062 When are you gonna give me a problem I can't solve? 1825 01:19:42,063 --> 01:19:44,582 You see, the DNA wasn't such a thing then, 1826 01:19:44,583 --> 01:19:49,222 not least because Jasmijn lived in the house and confessed. 1827 01:19:49,223 --> 01:19:50,902 And as a result, no-one, 1828 01:19:50,903 --> 01:19:52,582 and that's no-one, 1829 01:19:52,583 --> 01:19:55,902 checked the fibres on the boys' hobbyhorse. 1830 01:19:55,903 --> 01:19:59,622 The one the killer used to light the petrol. 1831 01:19:59,623 --> 01:20:02,062 No-one, that is... 1832 01:20:02,063 --> 01:20:03,663 ..until me. 1833 01:20:15,423 --> 01:20:17,383 Is Lauren in? 1834 01:20:52,183 --> 01:20:54,543 WOMAN: OK, I'm here. What do you want? 1835 01:20:55,503 --> 01:20:57,263 Just to talk. 1836 01:20:58,863 --> 01:21:01,583 WOMAN: OK. Fire away. 1837 01:21:04,383 --> 01:21:05,822 JASMIJN: Stop it. 1838 01:21:05,823 --> 01:21:07,343 I don't want any more of this. 1839 01:21:24,623 --> 01:21:27,462 PIET: Herman Zaal, meet Jasmijn Brahm. 1840 01:21:27,463 --> 01:21:27,703 PIET: Herman Zaal, Jasmijn Brahm, meet Herman Zaal. 1841 01:21:27,704 --> 01:21:29,943 Jasmijn Brahm, meet Herman Zaal. 1842 01:21:31,023 --> 01:21:32,863 Now, move. What? What? 1843 01:21:33,823 --> 01:21:35,543 Let's go. 1844 01:21:36,823 --> 01:21:39,022 PIET: You intercepted the call. 1845 01:21:39,023 --> 01:21:41,022 You got here first. 1846 01:21:41,023 --> 01:21:41,263 You planned to silence Herman You got here first. 1847 01:21:41,264 --> 01:21:43,943 You planned to silence Herman like you did Ric and Jan. 1848 01:21:51,543 --> 01:21:53,342 Got no sword this time? 1849 01:21:53,343 --> 01:21:55,182 JASMIJN: Hanna? 1850 01:21:55,183 --> 01:21:56,983 Hanna, why are you doing this? 1851 01:21:59,143 --> 01:22:01,342 Do not move! 1852 01:22:01,343 --> 01:22:02,422 Go. 1853 01:22:02,423 --> 01:22:03,822 Move! 1854 01:22:03,823 --> 01:22:05,822 Stay here with him. 1855 01:22:05,823 --> 01:22:08,382 JASMIJN: Hanna. Please, stop it. No, no, no. Come. 1856 01:22:08,383 --> 01:22:08,623 JASMIJN: Hanna. Please, stop it. JASMIJN: Let me go, please. 1857 01:22:08,624 --> 01:22:10,343 JASMIJN: Let me go, please. 1858 01:22:16,903 --> 01:22:19,342 OK. It's OK. 1859 01:22:19,343 --> 01:22:20,823 It's not a toy, is it? 1860 01:22:21,783 --> 01:22:24,022 You're not gonna use it on Jasmijn, are you? 1861 01:22:24,023 --> 01:22:25,822 You did all this to protect her. 1862 01:22:25,823 --> 01:22:28,382 I mean, you might take me out, but then... 1863 01:22:28,383 --> 01:22:28,623 I mean, you might ..my team will take you out, so... 1864 01:22:28,624 --> 01:22:30,982 ..my team will take you out, so... 1865 01:22:30,983 --> 01:22:32,542 ..what's the point? 1866 01:22:32,543 --> 01:22:33,742 Exactly. 1867 01:22:33,743 --> 01:22:37,022 What is the point, when everyone's corrupt, 1868 01:22:37,023 --> 01:22:37,263 What is the point, when all the systems fail? 1869 01:22:37,264 --> 01:22:38,822 when all the systems fail? 1870 01:22:38,823 --> 01:22:42,102 Your justice? There's no such thing. 1871 01:22:42,103 --> 01:22:44,142 You didn't report Jasmijn 1872 01:22:44,143 --> 01:22:46,143 when she met up with Ric. 1873 01:22:47,103 --> 01:22:49,303 You said you did, but you didn't. 1874 01:22:50,423 --> 01:22:53,742 You just upped the surveillance on Lauren and listened in even more. 1875 01:22:53,743 --> 01:22:56,262 And that's what Jan Kappel found out, isn't it? 1876 01:22:56,263 --> 01:22:58,502 I don't understand. 1877 01:22:58,503 --> 01:23:01,062 It's OK. Took me a while. 1878 01:23:01,063 --> 01:23:03,822 Breaking into Max Langenburg's, 1879 01:23:03,823 --> 01:23:06,342 not leaving a trace. 1880 01:23:06,343 --> 01:23:08,222 Same with the rented apartment. 1881 01:23:08,223 --> 01:23:10,343 It's very professional. 1882 01:23:11,623 --> 01:23:13,165 Did you learn that from your partner? 1883 01:23:14,543 --> 01:23:17,422 He was killed, wasn't he? 1884 01:23:17,423 --> 01:23:19,263 Well, I say killed. 1885 01:23:20,623 --> 01:23:22,303 He committed suicide. 1886 01:23:23,383 --> 01:23:25,102 With this gun. 1887 01:23:25,103 --> 01:23:27,542 After he was wrongly accused 1888 01:23:27,543 --> 01:23:31,502 and blamed of something that he didn't do. 1889 01:23:31,503 --> 01:23:33,302 Still, what's that got to do with me? 1890 01:23:33,303 --> 01:23:35,182 Because you were wronged! 1891 01:23:35,183 --> 01:23:37,142 Even more so. 1892 01:23:37,143 --> 01:23:39,543 You thought Jasmijn was innocent. 1893 01:23:40,943 --> 01:23:43,143 But you are, aren't you? 1894 01:23:44,343 --> 01:23:46,262 Ric van der Molden, 1895 01:23:46,263 --> 01:23:50,503 aged 12, he set fire to the house. 1896 01:23:51,943 --> 01:23:54,183 Fibres from the hobbyhorse... 1897 01:23:55,183 --> 01:23:57,262 ..they don't have your DNA on them. 1898 01:23:57,263 --> 01:23:58,943 But they do have Ric's. 1899 01:24:00,743 --> 01:24:02,943 No-one checked. 1900 01:24:05,503 --> 01:24:07,063 Did you know it was Ric? 1901 01:24:08,983 --> 01:24:10,862 Is that why you took him out? 1902 01:24:10,863 --> 01:24:12,862 He was... 1903 01:24:12,863 --> 01:24:15,582 ..almost bragging about it. 1904 01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:17,262 And that was your justice? 1905 01:24:17,263 --> 01:24:20,542 You take out Ric, Jan? 1906 01:24:20,543 --> 01:24:22,742 I mean, he was a... 1907 01:24:22,743 --> 01:24:24,382 ..he was a good man. 1908 01:24:24,383 --> 01:24:26,102 Who was getting too close! 1909 01:24:26,103 --> 01:24:29,382 I want this to stop. Yes, so do I, and it can now. 1910 01:24:29,383 --> 01:24:29,623 I want this to stop. Because you were wronged, OK? 1911 01:24:29,624 --> 01:24:31,862 Because you were wronged, OK? 1912 01:24:31,863 --> 01:24:34,142 I was wronged. 1913 01:24:34,143 --> 01:24:34,383 PIET: That doesn't justify I was wronged. 1914 01:24:34,384 --> 01:24:36,102 PIET: That doesn't justify killing other people. 1915 01:24:36,103 --> 01:24:39,182 I was righting a wrong! No, you weren't! 1916 01:24:39,183 --> 01:24:42,982 You weren't. You weren't. I killed my brothers. No-one else. 1917 01:24:42,983 --> 01:24:43,223 You weren't. You weren't. But he, uh... 1918 01:24:43,224 --> 01:24:44,743 But he, uh... 1919 01:24:45,983 --> 01:24:47,542 The forensics. He just said. 1920 01:24:47,543 --> 01:24:49,182 They were wrong. 1921 01:24:49,183 --> 01:24:51,702 I still don't know why, or where it came from, 1922 01:24:51,703 --> 01:24:51,943 I still don't know why, but I have to live with that. 1923 01:24:51,944 --> 01:24:54,582 but I have to live with that. 1924 01:24:54,583 --> 01:24:57,302 Carl and Jonas... 1925 01:24:57,303 --> 01:24:59,342 ..they deserve better. 1926 01:24:59,343 --> 01:25:00,742 Not me. 1927 01:25:00,743 --> 01:25:05,822 I am grateful for a second chance at life, but... 1928 01:25:05,823 --> 01:25:07,423 ..I don't deserve it. 1929 01:25:08,863 --> 01:25:11,303 But... 1930 01:25:14,383 --> 01:25:15,743 Oh! 1931 01:25:21,063 --> 01:25:22,983 It's over. 1932 01:25:39,423 --> 01:25:40,743 Thank you. 1933 01:25:42,503 --> 01:25:43,943 I should thank YOU. 1934 01:25:45,023 --> 01:25:47,502 It was pretty heroic, what you did back there. 1935 01:25:47,503 --> 01:25:49,702 Admitting guilt? Yeah. 1936 01:25:49,703 --> 01:25:49,943 Admitting guilt? Given that you were lying. 1937 01:25:49,944 --> 01:25:51,982 Given that you were lying. 1938 01:25:51,983 --> 01:25:54,463 It distracted Hanna. 1939 01:25:55,463 --> 01:25:57,662 It's not the truth, though, is it? 1940 01:25:57,663 --> 01:26:00,862 Well, I... I don't think I'll ever know for sure. 1941 01:26:00,863 --> 01:26:01,103 Well, I... I don't think I have no memory of it. 1942 01:26:01,104 --> 01:26:03,982 I have no memory of it. 1943 01:26:03,983 --> 01:26:06,022 Listen. 1944 01:26:06,023 --> 01:26:08,423 The forensics are right. 1945 01:26:10,783 --> 01:26:12,582 Don't you want to clear your name? 1946 01:26:12,583 --> 01:26:15,343 It won't change anything. 1947 01:26:16,303 --> 01:26:18,503 It won't bring Carl and Jonas back. 1948 01:26:19,823 --> 01:26:21,863 And Ric got what he had coming. 1949 01:26:23,143 --> 01:26:25,783 Restorative justice. 1950 01:26:26,743 --> 01:26:28,743 Restitution. 1951 01:26:32,943 --> 01:26:34,382 Um... 1952 01:26:34,383 --> 01:26:36,462 ..I lied about something else too. 1953 01:26:36,463 --> 01:26:37,823 Yeah? 1954 01:26:38,863 --> 01:26:41,182 I did remember you from the case. 1955 01:26:41,183 --> 01:26:45,142 Because I could see that you were at least open to the possibility 1956 01:26:45,143 --> 01:26:45,383 Because I could see that you were that I was innocent. 1957 01:26:45,384 --> 01:26:47,623 that I was innocent. 1958 01:26:48,663 --> 01:26:50,502 You didn't judge. 1959 01:26:50,503 --> 01:26:52,383 And I thank you for that. 1960 01:26:56,463 --> 01:26:58,302 If I'd fought harder for you back then... 1961 01:26:58,303 --> 01:27:00,022 But I wouldn't have had my second chance. 1962 01:27:00,023 --> 01:27:00,263 But I wouldn't have had And second chances are good. 1963 01:27:00,264 --> 01:27:02,502 And second chances are good. 1964 01:27:02,503 --> 01:27:04,102 Are they? 1965 01:27:04,103 --> 01:27:07,622 I wouldn't have Vincent and the kids. 1966 01:27:07,623 --> 01:27:09,863 I wouldn't have found happiness. 1967 01:27:12,703 --> 01:27:14,343 I hope you find that, too. 1968 01:27:39,063 --> 01:27:40,623 JASMIJN: Come on. 1969 01:27:42,023 --> 01:27:43,502 You won't be seeing me again. 1970 01:27:43,503 --> 01:27:45,903 No offence, but good. 1971 01:27:56,103 --> 01:27:58,342 You know, I envy you. 1972 01:27:58,343 --> 01:28:00,543 Your happiness. 1973 01:28:01,503 --> 01:28:03,062 You've earnt it. 1974 01:28:03,063 --> 01:28:04,743 Haven't you? 1975 01:28:05,703 --> 01:28:07,103 Not yet. 1976 01:28:08,663 --> 01:28:09,663 No. 1977 01:28:32,183 --> 01:28:33,982 Captions by Red Bee Media 1978 01:28:33,983 --> 01:28:35,983 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation 137111