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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,673 --> 00:00:10,377 (regal fanfare playing) 2 00:00:12,846 --> 00:00:14,314 (sheep bleating) 3 00:00:23,123 --> 00:00:26,393 Director: So, Viktor, what's your favourite British food? 4 00:00:48,649 --> 00:00:49,983 Do you feel safe here? 5 00:01:02,996 --> 00:01:04,665 (sinister music) 6 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:09,903 Reporter: Now to an extraordinary story here in UK. 7 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:11,271 Reporter: Salisbury is at the centre 8 00:01:11,338 --> 00:01:12,773 of a major incident tonight 9 00:01:12,839 --> 00:01:14,675 involving a former Russian spy. 10 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:19,680 Reporter: A quiet, small, sleepy city in southern England. 11 00:01:19,746 --> 00:01:20,948 Reporter: Sergei Skripal, 12 00:01:21,014 --> 00:01:22,649 a colonel in military intelligence, 13 00:01:22,716 --> 00:01:25,519 accused of spying for Britain's MI6. 14 00:01:27,487 --> 00:01:30,390 Reporter: The lingering question, who did it? 15 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:34,761 (foreboding music) 16 00:01:34,828 --> 00:01:36,997 Reporter: Moscow might deny it, but many point the finger 17 00:01:37,064 --> 00:01:39,166 of blame squarely at Russia. 18 00:01:40,434 --> 00:01:42,836 Reporter: Mysterious case of a poisoned Russian agent 19 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:44,671 getting even stranger tonight. 20 00:01:44,738 --> 00:01:46,206 Reporter: Now it's murder. 21 00:01:46,273 --> 00:01:48,842 Reporter: A counterfeit bottle of designer perfume, 22 00:01:48,909 --> 00:01:50,277 the suspected weapon. 23 00:01:50,344 --> 00:01:53,080 Neil: There was enough poison in that tiny bottle 24 00:01:53,146 --> 00:01:54,948 to kill 10,000 people. 25 00:01:55,349 --> 00:01:58,518 Trump: The security council is called to order. 26 00:01:58,585 --> 00:02:01,021 Reporter: What started in a placid cathedral town 27 00:02:01,088 --> 00:02:05,025 has now led to the biggest diplomatic face-off in years. 28 00:02:05,092 --> 00:02:09,396 I give the floor to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. 29 00:02:09,463 --> 00:02:10,330 Thank you. 30 00:02:10,397 --> 00:02:12,132 (speaking in Russian) 31 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:15,268 (Viktor speaking) 32 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:25,445 (sinister beat) 33 00:02:27,648 --> 00:02:28,849 (birds singing) 34 00:02:30,083 --> 00:02:32,252 (bells ringing distantly) 35 00:02:38,458 --> 00:02:42,129 Meg: Salisbury's a small city. 36 00:02:44,231 --> 00:02:47,367 Local people call it Smallsbury for that reason. 37 00:02:47,968 --> 00:02:50,237 (jaunty music) 38 00:02:50,303 --> 00:02:53,840 I amongst many, many other people in Salisbury 39 00:02:54,908 --> 00:02:57,244 have a favourite place to go and sit 40 00:02:57,310 --> 00:03:00,147 on one of the many benches down by the river. 41 00:03:03,283 --> 00:03:05,619 The whole area is so magical. 42 00:03:12,659 --> 00:03:17,397 Archive: Here in the heart of Wiltshire lies Salisbury. 43 00:03:18,899 --> 00:03:21,001 Founded some 800 years ago, 44 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:23,270 this mediaeval city is most famous 45 00:03:23,336 --> 00:03:25,572 for its magnificent cathedral. 46 00:03:26,606 --> 00:03:31,011 Dominating the skyline, its spire, Britain's tallest, 47 00:03:31,078 --> 00:03:35,482 rising some 404ft soars heavenward. 48 00:03:36,316 --> 00:03:38,318 (bells ringing) 49 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:43,190 Caller: Seven, four.... 50 00:03:43,957 --> 00:03:47,194 Archive: Oh, how the locals love to ring those bells. 51 00:03:48,361 --> 00:03:50,731 Kelvin: I value normal life 52 00:03:50,797 --> 00:03:55,836 and Salisbury is a provincial corner of England. 53 00:03:56,036 --> 00:03:59,272 Big things don't tend to happen in places like that. 54 00:04:02,476 --> 00:04:04,311 (accordion playing) 55 00:04:42,182 --> 00:04:43,717 (dramatic music) 56 00:05:31,898 --> 00:05:33,466 (suspenseful music) 57 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:48,415 It was my first kind of week as a radio reporter 58 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:50,650 at the local radio station. 59 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:54,154 When I got the job, they said, oh, you'll be getting to do 60 00:05:54,221 --> 00:05:55,922 really local stories, 61 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:58,425 you know, the giant vegetables, 62 00:05:58,491 --> 00:06:00,660 the village fair, the flower show. 63 00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:04,764 And I thought, oh, that's great, a really good kind of way for me 64 00:06:04,831 --> 00:06:06,399 to learn what I'm doing. 65 00:06:08,902 --> 00:06:11,371 (phone ringing) And then the phone rang, 66 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:15,008 and I...it just changed everything, really. 67 00:06:17,310 --> 00:06:18,945 It was my news editor who had phoned me 68 00:06:19,012 --> 00:06:23,817 and she said two people were having a medical incident 69 00:06:23,884 --> 00:06:25,919 that the police are dealing with. 70 00:06:27,153 --> 00:06:28,588 Can you go and cover this? 71 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:32,826 So I said to myself, don't worry. 72 00:06:34,094 --> 00:06:35,929 Nothing happens in Salisbury. 73 00:06:37,931 --> 00:06:39,666 So, then I got down there. 74 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:41,568 First week on the job. 75 00:06:42,002 --> 00:06:45,472 You don't expect to see two people on a bench, 76 00:06:45,538 --> 00:06:47,107 foaming at the mouth. 77 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:52,913 I've never seen anyone having a drug overdose before. 78 00:06:59,686 --> 00:07:01,388 I can't even remember how to use a Dictaphone, 79 00:07:01,454 --> 00:07:03,123 it's been so long ago. 80 00:07:03,189 --> 00:07:05,358 Well, I'm now at the Maltings 81 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,460 where these two people were found collapsed. 82 00:07:07,727 --> 00:07:09,262 They are now in a critical condition 83 00:07:09,329 --> 00:07:11,164 at Salisbury District Hospital. 84 00:07:11,231 --> 00:07:13,400 (sirens wailing) 85 00:07:14,668 --> 00:07:16,703 Stephen: We'd had a really busy weekend. 86 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,606 I was looking after the intensive care unit by myself. 87 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:22,342 Things had quietened down a bit. 88 00:07:23,243 --> 00:07:26,980 I got a phone call from one of my colleagues who said, Steve, 89 00:07:27,047 --> 00:07:30,216 there's two drug overdose patients coming in. 90 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:32,452 They both sound really unwell. 91 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,487 Can you come and give me a hand? 92 00:07:34,554 --> 00:07:36,389 The two patients came in... 93 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,258 (suspenseful music) 94 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:41,361 ...and immediately this didn't look right. 95 00:07:41,695 --> 00:07:44,264 There was a guy in his 60s, 96 00:07:44,331 --> 00:07:46,166 smartly dressed, a suit and jacket, 97 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:49,602 and a girl in her 30s. 98 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:52,172 They didn't look like your conventional 99 00:07:52,238 --> 00:07:54,307 recreational drug overdose patients. 100 00:07:54,774 --> 00:07:56,242 Then I became aware of his name, 101 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:59,612 Sergei Skripal, and I thought, this is a little bit odd, 102 00:07:59,679 --> 00:08:01,414 you know, for Salisbury. 103 00:08:02,582 --> 00:08:04,884 I started to initiate intensive care, 104 00:08:06,386 --> 00:08:08,855 and Sergei is breathing, just. 105 00:08:08,922 --> 00:08:10,190 He's not speaking. 106 00:08:10,256 --> 00:08:12,959 He's sitting bolt upright, almost like a statue. 107 00:08:13,026 --> 00:08:16,029 -Producer: Eyes closed? -Eyes were open, 108 00:08:16,096 --> 00:08:17,697 but he was absolutely rigid. 109 00:08:17,764 --> 00:08:20,934 It was the most bizarre presentation. 110 00:08:21,634 --> 00:08:24,938 And it suddenly began to dawn on me 111 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:27,240 that something has poisoned these people. 112 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:34,681 At that moment, somebody came up to me and said, Dr Cockroft, 113 00:08:35,148 --> 00:08:36,950 I've just googled Sergei Skripal 114 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:40,020 and you're not going to believe what I've just found out. 115 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:43,757 So, I went and looked and there it was. 116 00:08:45,492 --> 00:08:47,127 He had a Wikipedia page. 117 00:08:49,662 --> 00:08:52,565 I thought, right, okay... 118 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:55,902 this is beginning to smell a bit fishy, this. 119 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:06,246 Amber Rudd: When I first heard about this, I was in London... 120 00:09:06,312 --> 00:09:07,981 (suspenseful music) 121 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:11,017 ...and I got a call from my office 122 00:09:11,084 --> 00:09:13,987 telling me that an incident had taken place 123 00:09:14,054 --> 00:09:16,756 and they had concerns about it. 124 00:09:18,491 --> 00:09:21,528 You're not called on every incident as Home Secretary. 125 00:09:22,629 --> 00:09:25,865 You're called out for something of national significance. 126 00:09:26,866 --> 00:09:29,069 Theresa May: The key role of a prime minister obviously 127 00:09:29,135 --> 00:09:31,471 is to ensure that you keep the country safe. 128 00:09:31,538 --> 00:09:35,108 And this attack took place in, in, if you like, 129 00:09:35,175 --> 00:09:38,178 the heart of middle England. 130 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:40,380 Amber Rudd: And so we had a COBRA meeting. 131 00:09:41,047 --> 00:09:45,251 And the purpose of COBRA is to bring all the different people 132 00:09:45,318 --> 00:09:50,223 involved together so that decisions can be made. 133 00:09:51,724 --> 00:09:54,160 Right from the start, it was clear to me 134 00:09:54,227 --> 00:09:55,428 that this wasn't just a poisoning, 135 00:09:55,495 --> 00:09:57,730 but it was an attempted assassination. 136 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,602 The target being Sergei Skripal, 137 00:10:02,669 --> 00:10:05,772 and given his background as a Russian intelligence officer... 138 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:09,843 there was only one entity, the Russian State, 139 00:10:09,909 --> 00:10:11,744 that was possibly responsible. 140 00:10:13,146 --> 00:10:15,348 Amber Rudd: For a hostile state to do that 141 00:10:15,882 --> 00:10:20,520 in a British town... city was extraordinary. 142 00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:24,457 But I think really the dominant feeling was 143 00:10:24,724 --> 00:10:27,660 concern about this lethal poison, 144 00:10:27,927 --> 00:10:31,598 because initially at COBRA, we didn't know what it was. 145 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:35,602 But two people had gone into a coma. 146 00:10:35,668 --> 00:10:39,038 Mark: In the past, while carrying out assassinations, 147 00:10:39,105 --> 00:10:42,342 the Russians have used a range of different poisons, 148 00:10:43,176 --> 00:10:45,545 and so we had a high degree of suspicion 149 00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:47,947 that the public was at risk. 150 00:10:48,348 --> 00:10:50,884 Amber Rudd: The atmosphere in COBRA was tense. 151 00:10:52,085 --> 00:10:55,555 Cabinet ministers had different views about how fast 152 00:10:55,622 --> 00:10:58,258 we should go in terms of attributing 153 00:10:58,324 --> 00:11:00,393 and responding to Russia. 154 00:11:02,095 --> 00:11:04,364 Theresa May: When you're faced with something like this, 155 00:11:04,430 --> 00:11:05,932 sometimes in today's world, 156 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:09,435 the temptation is to say something immediately. 157 00:11:10,803 --> 00:11:13,640 Actually, you just have to take a deep breath and step back 158 00:11:13,706 --> 00:11:16,676 and be very clear that there's a longer-term aim here, 159 00:11:17,544 --> 00:11:22,549 which is making sure we absolutely hold them to account. 160 00:11:22,615 --> 00:11:24,017 You just have to be a bit careful 161 00:11:24,083 --> 00:11:26,819 and wait until you've absolutely got the evidence. 162 00:11:26,886 --> 00:11:28,721 (siren wailing) 163 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:32,458 Neil: In 2018, I was the national lead 164 00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:34,594 for counterterrorism policing. 165 00:11:37,263 --> 00:11:40,400 Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary of the day... 166 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:42,535 How can I put it? 167 00:11:42,602 --> 00:11:44,504 "What are you doing about it, Basu?" 168 00:11:44,571 --> 00:11:46,906 You know, "the Prime Minister needs your help." 169 00:11:46,973 --> 00:11:47,607 (tense music) 170 00:11:47,674 --> 00:11:49,943 First, how quickly can you prove 171 00:11:50,009 --> 00:11:52,812 this is an assassination plot? 172 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:56,649 Second, find out exactly what this poison is 173 00:11:57,617 --> 00:12:00,520 and tell me what kind of resources you need 174 00:12:00,587 --> 00:12:01,788 from the rest of government 175 00:12:01,854 --> 00:12:03,823 to help you bring this under control, 176 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,759 which might involve using the military. 177 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,865 Meg: I heard a helicopter overhead. 178 00:12:15,134 --> 00:12:16,836 Which is unusual. 179 00:12:18,404 --> 00:12:20,540 Emma: Then it was like, why are the military here? 180 00:12:20,607 --> 00:12:23,276 Why are there, like, senior police officers here? 181 00:12:23,643 --> 00:12:25,945 You know, this seems a bit of an overreaction to it being, 182 00:12:26,012 --> 00:12:28,147 you know, a drug overdose or, you know, 183 00:12:28,214 --> 00:12:30,550 just a medical episode. 184 00:12:31,551 --> 00:12:33,586 What's really going on? 185 00:12:34,854 --> 00:12:37,590 And I remember them looking very, very worried. 186 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:43,563 Okay, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 187 00:12:43,630 --> 00:12:46,165 The focus at this moment in trying to establish 188 00:12:46,232 --> 00:12:49,469 what has caused these people to become critically ill, 189 00:12:49,535 --> 00:12:51,471 and we currently do not believe there is any risk 190 00:12:51,537 --> 00:12:52,872 to the wider public. 191 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,808 Thank you. 192 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:59,078 Emma: You know, they were trying to reassure people 193 00:12:59,145 --> 00:13:01,047 that everything's absolutely fine. 194 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:02,548 But... 195 00:13:03,449 --> 00:13:05,018 clearly it wasn't. 196 00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:08,655 So I'd be on the phone like, 197 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:11,057 "Yeah, I think we're gonna need backup here." 198 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:12,692 Go on, keep going... 199 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:15,561 And then, that tiny little story 200 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:18,564 suddenly exploded into this international news story. 201 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:20,366 The biggest story in the world. 202 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,436 Two people in the town of Salisbury in England 203 00:13:23,503 --> 00:13:25,672 were admitted to hospital after being exposed 204 00:13:25,738 --> 00:13:26,973 to an unknown substance. 205 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,042 Salisbury District Hospital is at the centre 206 00:13:29,108 --> 00:13:32,378 of a major incident tonight involving a former Russian spy. 207 00:13:32,445 --> 00:13:35,348 Nearly 200 British troops have been called in to help police 208 00:13:35,415 --> 00:13:36,849 with the investigation. 209 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:40,119 Reporter: Moscow might deny it, but many 210 00:13:40,186 --> 00:13:43,423 point the finger of blame squarely at Russia. 211 00:13:46,426 --> 00:13:48,027 Kelvin: No one expects terrible things 212 00:13:48,094 --> 00:13:49,696 to happen in their community. 213 00:13:49,762 --> 00:13:53,800 And this was a real incident in which the ugliness of the world 214 00:13:53,866 --> 00:13:55,702 was suddenly on our doorstep. 215 00:13:57,103 --> 00:14:00,106 Emma: There were journalists literally everywhere. 216 00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:03,810 You know, CNN, you've got, you know, people from France 217 00:14:03,876 --> 00:14:05,778 just wandering around the city 218 00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:07,847 trying to get a bit more information. 219 00:14:13,886 --> 00:14:14,687 Which country? 220 00:14:14,754 --> 00:14:16,155 That's the United States of America. 221 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:18,658 Okay then. What brings you here? 222 00:14:18,725 --> 00:14:21,627 Well, I'm the foreign correspondent for ABC. 223 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:24,764 And what brings us here is you. 224 00:14:29,936 --> 00:14:32,505 Newsreader: These images show the former Russian military 225 00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:34,874 intelligence colonel buying sausages 226 00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:38,544 and lottery scratch cards from a shop close to his home. 227 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:40,613 (mysterious music) 228 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:54,761 Meg: We were living next to this perfectly normal guy, 229 00:14:54,827 --> 00:14:58,898 and turns out that he was a Russian spy. 230 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,435 You wouldn't dream it, would you? 231 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:08,441 Mark: Unlike most people in Salisbury, 232 00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:11,677 I knew rather a lot about Sergei Skripal. 233 00:15:12,712 --> 00:15:15,915 A couple of years before all of this happened, 234 00:15:16,516 --> 00:15:20,553 I wanted to write a book about defected Russian spies. 235 00:15:21,354 --> 00:15:23,489 And strangely enough, 236 00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:26,859 I didn't have to go through the intelligence services 237 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:29,729 or the Foreign Office to get to meet him. 238 00:15:31,964 --> 00:15:35,334 He was living an open life. 239 00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:40,373 He was on the electoral register under his own name. 240 00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:44,210 So he clearly felt safe. 241 00:15:44,844 --> 00:15:48,714 And when I went to meet Sergei in his home, 242 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:52,518 he was standing outside the house ready to greet me. 243 00:15:54,687 --> 00:15:57,056 My impression of him was that 244 00:15:57,123 --> 00:16:00,259 he was a typical Soviet military guy 245 00:16:00,326 --> 00:16:01,961 or a typical Desantnik, 246 00:16:02,028 --> 00:16:04,597 which is a paratrooper in Russian. 247 00:16:06,165 --> 00:16:08,434 You know, big, physically self-confident. 248 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:13,639 Sort of no nonsense, you know, plain speaking, 249 00:16:14,273 --> 00:16:16,375 deadpan sense of humour. 250 00:16:17,877 --> 00:16:21,414 The sort of person you wouldn't want to antagonise. 251 00:16:22,548 --> 00:16:25,985 We went through the front door, and you know, 252 00:16:26,052 --> 00:16:27,286 being a journalist, you... 253 00:16:27,353 --> 00:16:30,389 You just sort of take in the details, I suppose. 254 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:32,892 And curiously, 255 00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:36,796 he was sort of mid-construction with an Airfix kit 256 00:16:36,863 --> 00:16:38,431 of HMS Victory, 257 00:16:39,565 --> 00:16:42,068 which he told me he'd been to visit. 258 00:16:42,134 --> 00:16:44,003 (haunting Russian folk music) 259 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:47,273 I think the sort of enigma about Sergei, in this respect, 260 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,508 was that... 261 00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:52,445 on the one hand, he wanted me to understand 262 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:54,580 that he had a love of English history, 263 00:16:55,882 --> 00:16:57,316 but on the other hand, 264 00:16:57,383 --> 00:17:00,653 he remained a sort of patriotic Russian. 265 00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:06,025 He liked the songs and the old Soviet movies. 266 00:17:06,993 --> 00:17:10,630 He even had Russian TV on when I arrived. 267 00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:16,736 I think these were all things that gave him a sort of happy, 268 00:17:16,802 --> 00:17:18,237 nostalgic glow. 269 00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:23,609 I certainly think he would have regarded the things he did 270 00:17:23,676 --> 00:17:25,645 as a Russian intelligence officer 271 00:17:28,247 --> 00:17:29,849 with a lot of pride. 272 00:17:33,419 --> 00:17:36,756 Another thing I noticed on the bookcase, 273 00:17:36,822 --> 00:17:39,058 sort of directly ahead of me as I was talking to him 274 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:41,027 as we did our interviews, 275 00:17:42,161 --> 00:17:44,630 was a little resin model 276 00:17:44,697 --> 00:17:49,302 of a very typical twee English country cottage. 277 00:17:50,202 --> 00:17:53,005 The sort of thing you could buy in a souvenir shop. 278 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:57,743 And at the time, um, I noticed it, 279 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,446 but I didn't really understand its significance. 280 00:18:01,681 --> 00:18:03,516 But he explained later on, 281 00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:06,686 just how big a part of his whole story 282 00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:10,856 that English country cottage actually was. 283 00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:22,068 (suspenseful music) 284 00:18:25,237 --> 00:18:26,472 Reporter: Troops from Wiltshire 285 00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:27,974 with training in chemical warfare 286 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,744 and Royal Marines from Somerset have been sent to Salisbury. 287 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:35,781 Reporter: Almost 700 investigators are at work. 288 00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:38,217 We're not quite sure what's gonna happen 289 00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:39,785 in the next couple of hours. 290 00:18:40,152 --> 00:18:43,522 There's still very much more questions than answers. 291 00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:47,259 There was a lot of panic. 292 00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:50,396 You know, why are there people walking around in hazmats? 293 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:55,034 Where is this chemical? What is it? 294 00:18:55,101 --> 00:18:56,402 What could it do to you? 295 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:58,638 Reporter: British soldiers in hazmat suits 296 00:18:58,704 --> 00:19:01,273 search for possible contamination in the area 297 00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:04,010 where former Russian spy Sergei Skripal 298 00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:07,179 and his daughter were found. 299 00:19:07,246 --> 00:19:12,084 Suddenly, we had cordons, we had public health warnings. 300 00:19:12,618 --> 00:19:14,854 We'd been told, "Don't pick up rubbish." 301 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,124 And so, there's considerable worry in the community. 302 00:19:18,591 --> 00:19:21,961 I think people felt we were a city under attack. 303 00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:28,034 "A strange and unreal time." 304 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,237 "Did this really happen in our special city?" 305 00:19:32,738 --> 00:19:34,573 "Living amongst spies?" 306 00:19:35,574 --> 00:19:38,277 "Do we now look at everyone with suspicion?" 307 00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:42,114 "Eerie silence." 308 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:47,620 "The ducks have gone, the rats moved in..." 309 00:19:50,322 --> 00:19:52,992 "One day, normality will return." 310 00:19:54,093 --> 00:19:55,961 At least that's what I hope. 311 00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:05,404 Amber Rudd: The job of the Home Secretary 312 00:20:05,471 --> 00:20:08,507 in the middle of all this is to reassure the public. 313 00:20:08,574 --> 00:20:10,342 Whatever I was feeling, 314 00:20:10,409 --> 00:20:13,179 and a lot of it was pretty uncomfortable and concerned, 315 00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:14,313 my job was to go out there 316 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:16,415 and tell them that we have got this. 317 00:20:16,482 --> 00:20:19,752 They needn't be worried because we know what we're doing. 318 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:23,155 Can you guarantee the public their safety? 319 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:25,357 Of course, I can guarantee the public their safety. 320 00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:27,059 You know, the public don't want to hear 321 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:28,461 we're not actually very sure what they this is 322 00:20:28,527 --> 00:20:30,296 or where it's come from or where else it could be. 323 00:20:30,362 --> 00:20:32,932 They want to know that their government is on top of this 324 00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:36,402 and is going to keep them safe. And that's what you have to say. 325 00:20:36,469 --> 00:20:40,106 Didn't always feel that, but that was my job to convey it. 326 00:20:40,172 --> 00:20:43,075 These are all questions I will want answered. 327 00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:44,510 Producer: Keep calm and carry on. 328 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,445 Keep calm and carry on. 329 00:20:47,713 --> 00:20:50,282 (helicopter whirring) 330 00:20:52,818 --> 00:20:55,254 Reporter: Well then, Joanna, just in the last half an hour, 331 00:20:55,321 --> 00:20:57,089 police officers, military personnel 332 00:20:57,156 --> 00:20:58,624 and specialist officers 333 00:20:58,691 --> 00:21:00,359 have been getting kitted up with those 334 00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:03,329 forensic suits and gas masks that we've been seeing. 335 00:21:03,395 --> 00:21:05,831 Neil: There was huge pressure to get it right, 336 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,400 but there is no playbook for this. 337 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:11,737 We're looking for expert assassins. 338 00:21:11,804 --> 00:21:13,572 I'm not expecting them to leave their fingerprints 339 00:21:13,639 --> 00:21:16,308 or leave their DNA at a crime scene. 340 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,311 We were literally faced with two individuals 341 00:21:19,378 --> 00:21:23,816 who had fallen seriously ill on a park bench in Salisbury. 342 00:21:24,216 --> 00:21:26,685 So the park bench became a crime scene. 343 00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:28,788 That was our start point. 344 00:21:28,854 --> 00:21:30,289 The first thing you're trying to do 345 00:21:30,356 --> 00:21:32,424 is trying to track every movement 346 00:21:32,491 --> 00:21:34,994 going back as long as you possibly can 347 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:36,629 before the park bench, 348 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,398 'cause we want to know how the victims 349 00:21:39,465 --> 00:21:42,001 came into contact with the poison. 350 00:21:42,835 --> 00:21:46,338 We knew they went to the restaurant to have a meal. 351 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,110 Before that, we know they went to a pub, 352 00:21:51,177 --> 00:21:52,745 um, where they have a drink. 353 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,115 You're eventually getting to the car, 354 00:21:56,615 --> 00:21:58,818 you're eventually going back to the house. 355 00:21:59,752 --> 00:22:03,088 Dean: We were gradually finding traces of the poison used, 356 00:22:03,656 --> 00:22:06,659 and the highest detection rate was the door handle 357 00:22:06,725 --> 00:22:08,227 of their home address. 358 00:22:09,295 --> 00:22:13,632 One theory is that they had sprayed it on the door handle, 359 00:22:13,999 --> 00:22:17,837 and when Sergei and Yulia came out and closed the door, 360 00:22:18,437 --> 00:22:20,339 that's the time when they were poisoned. 361 00:22:20,406 --> 00:22:23,475 (helicopter whirring) (distant sirens) 362 00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:29,615 The next job is to find the perpetrators on CCTV. 363 00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:35,521 Sadly, there was no CCTV, um, at Christie Miller Road. 364 00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:41,794 So we had to collect hundreds of thousands of hours of footage 365 00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:45,598 from across Salisbury town centre. 366 00:22:46,765 --> 00:22:49,668 But it was looking for a needle in a haystack. 367 00:22:50,769 --> 00:22:52,872 What does a Russian agent look like? 368 00:22:57,610 --> 00:23:00,279 Christo: I think there's a general understanding 369 00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:02,214 that there are spies around us, 370 00:23:03,849 --> 00:23:04,917 but... 371 00:23:06,252 --> 00:23:09,221 Russian spies are literally everywhere. 372 00:23:09,288 --> 00:23:11,857 (playful music) 373 00:23:13,325 --> 00:23:15,060 I think there is a lack of understanding 374 00:23:15,127 --> 00:23:18,264 for most of the people of how dangerous it is. 375 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:25,471 It's not just snooping around, 376 00:23:25,537 --> 00:23:29,375 it's not just secret back-alley conversations and recruitment, 377 00:23:29,441 --> 00:23:33,646 it's assassinations, it's explosions, 378 00:23:33,712 --> 00:23:34,880 it's sabotage, 379 00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:38,317 it's poisoning the water systems of countries. 380 00:23:38,384 --> 00:23:40,452 All of that actually does happen. 381 00:23:41,053 --> 00:23:42,288 Watch this. 382 00:23:43,622 --> 00:23:47,526 Russian operatives, they literally have licence to kill. 383 00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:51,697 There's a law in Russia that allows them to pursue 384 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:54,733 enemies of the state that are deemed traitors. 385 00:23:56,135 --> 00:24:00,372 Putin calls Russians who change sides, rabid dogs, 386 00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:03,709 he calls them animals, he calls them scum of the earth. 387 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:08,047 And they can go and work for their overlords in the West. 388 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,817 But somebody who betrays the motherland 389 00:24:11,884 --> 00:24:13,852 should be burned alive. 390 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:17,122 (dramatic Russian music) And for new recruits, 391 00:24:17,189 --> 00:24:19,024 that becomes part of your fabric, 392 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:20,859 part of your mentality, 393 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:23,062 and you'll be chasing enemies of the state, 394 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:25,965 and you can kill them, and you should kill them... 395 00:24:27,366 --> 00:24:30,269 because successful killers get an award. 396 00:24:32,371 --> 00:24:33,872 That's why... 397 00:24:34,406 --> 00:24:36,275 hundreds of these young people... 398 00:24:42,781 --> 00:24:45,517 become killers for their country. 399 00:24:46,719 --> 00:24:48,754 (suspenseful music) 400 00:24:49,054 --> 00:24:51,790 But then I discovered that actually, you can 401 00:24:51,857 --> 00:24:57,963 expose espionage operations using breadcrumbs of data. 402 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,568 Every person does that in their own life, 403 00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:04,636 leaves these breadcrumbs behind. 404 00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:08,240 Every time you even look at your phone, you leave a trace. 405 00:25:08,307 --> 00:25:11,510 Every time you buy a ticket to go into the subway, 406 00:25:11,577 --> 00:25:13,979 every time you buy lunch with your phone, 407 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:15,748 every time you book a hotel, 408 00:25:15,814 --> 00:25:17,783 you leave a digital trace behind. 409 00:25:18,484 --> 00:25:21,553 And I thought, well, why don't we just use that digital trace 410 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:25,991 to try to expose names of spies involved in assassinations, 411 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:27,659 poisonings, 412 00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:31,764 but also to prove who gave them carte blanche 413 00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:35,100 to go around the world and create havoc. 414 00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:40,739 How many Russian agents have you uncovered, do you think? 415 00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:44,410 Probably...definitely more than a thousand, 416 00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:48,213 I would say in the range of 4 to 5,000. 417 00:25:48,814 --> 00:25:51,617 Christo Grozev, who identified the Russians involved 418 00:25:51,683 --> 00:25:55,320 in poisoning Putin opposition leader, Alexei Navalny. 419 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:58,824 Christo was just placed on Russia's wanted list. 420 00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:00,626 I think it's a fatwa of some sort. 421 00:26:00,692 --> 00:26:04,797 I mean, it's like a message that to other journalists as well 422 00:26:04,863 --> 00:26:06,498 that don't come and don't meddle into... 423 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,133 Don't do investigations into Russia. 424 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,435 And yet you continue to do it. 425 00:26:09,501 --> 00:26:11,937 Um, and you more than anyone know 426 00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:13,172 at what possible cost. 427 00:26:13,539 --> 00:26:15,207 It's become a sort of an obsession, 428 00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:18,544 and if a day passes without me 429 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:21,113 having found at least a couple of spies, 430 00:26:21,547 --> 00:26:24,283 I would really, really feel a withdrawal. 431 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:30,622 But what really drives me and a lot of my colleagues is 432 00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:35,561 the cat-and-mouse nature of it and the game of it. 433 00:26:35,627 --> 00:26:37,362 (playful music) 434 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:40,799 And what is interesting is that 435 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,703 I started with the case of the Skripal poisonings. 436 00:26:46,538 --> 00:26:50,943 We wanted to be the first to crack it for the world to know. 437 00:26:51,009 --> 00:26:54,713 And so the question was: who were the assassins? 438 00:26:57,249 --> 00:27:01,086 So we assumed that they would have been in Britain between 439 00:27:01,153 --> 00:27:03,655 March 2nd and March 5th. 440 00:27:05,023 --> 00:27:06,458 So I'm like, hm, 441 00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:10,362 if we were able to get all the passenger lists of all flights 442 00:27:10,429 --> 00:27:13,432 into London from Russia on these days... 443 00:27:14,933 --> 00:27:17,336 maybe we can find these guys. 444 00:27:19,271 --> 00:27:21,073 And I found... 445 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,376 two passengers travelling together. 446 00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:26,278 And look at this, the passport numbers 447 00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:27,679 are only three digits apart. 448 00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:33,252 Two people sat next to each other with two passports 449 00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:35,888 issued literally within an hour of one another. 450 00:27:37,022 --> 00:27:38,524 That's not possible. 451 00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:41,326 That sort of thing doesn't naturally happen. 452 00:27:41,793 --> 00:27:44,163 And then the question was, are these real names 453 00:27:44,229 --> 00:27:46,265 and real people, or are they fake? 454 00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:48,534 It was just a breadcrumb of data, 455 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,104 but that's literally where it all began for us. 456 00:27:58,644 --> 00:28:00,646 (helicopter whirring) 457 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,916 Reporter: Police say the man and his daughter 458 00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:05,751 remain critically ill in hospital, 459 00:28:05,817 --> 00:28:09,254 and the case is being treated as attempted murder. 460 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:14,226 Amber Rudd: When I went to the hospital 461 00:28:14,293 --> 00:28:16,428 to talk to the medical staff there... 462 00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,732 survival of the Skripals looked in doubt. 463 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,868 (tense music) 464 00:28:23,569 --> 00:28:27,940 And the senior consultant in charge was tired, 465 00:28:28,006 --> 00:28:31,510 to say the least, and was, you know, there were doctors, 466 00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,212 medical people at their best, 467 00:28:33,278 --> 00:28:35,414 trying to keep these two people alive. 468 00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:38,617 Stephen: It was chaotic. It became more and more chaotic 469 00:28:38,684 --> 00:28:39,952 as the week went on. 470 00:28:40,452 --> 00:28:44,823 Yulia and Sergei remained extremely unwell. 471 00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:49,494 They were in an induced coma and I... 472 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:51,930 I honestly thought they were going to die. 473 00:28:53,465 --> 00:28:55,601 They had very unusual symptoms, 474 00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:58,503 the slow heart rate, the low blood pressure, 475 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:02,441 the slow respiratory rate, the pinpoint pupils. 476 00:29:02,507 --> 00:29:05,444 There was no way this was a conventional poisoning. 477 00:29:06,478 --> 00:29:08,880 But this was something far, far darker. 478 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:12,718 (wind howling) 479 00:29:19,291 --> 00:29:20,592 Newsreader: British police now believe 480 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:22,828 that former Russian spy Sergei Skripal 481 00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,129 and his daughter Yulia 482 00:29:24,196 --> 00:29:26,632 were poisoned with a nerve agent. 483 00:29:26,698 --> 00:29:28,367 (sinister music) 484 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,769 Amber Rudd: After it had been tested at Porton Down, 485 00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:33,672 they were able to explain that this had been 486 00:29:33,739 --> 00:29:34,940 a poisoning of Novichok. 487 00:29:35,807 --> 00:29:38,710 Reporter: Novichok is the name for a family of nerve agents 488 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:41,313 said to be the most deadly ever created. 489 00:29:42,748 --> 00:29:44,316 It's a terrifying word, Novichok, 490 00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:48,520 and then most of us were hearing it for the first time. 491 00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:51,089 You learn about quite how lethal it is. 492 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:56,662 Only a tiny amount was needed to potentially kill somebody. 493 00:29:57,896 --> 00:30:01,333 We were told it was sort of Russia's favourite agent, 494 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,235 Putin's, particularly. 495 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:09,141 Richard: Putin was sending a very clear message. 496 00:30:09,841 --> 00:30:14,479 You know, assassination has been part of Russian political life 497 00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:17,683 since the Middle Ages. 498 00:30:19,284 --> 00:30:21,853 I mean, it was used by the Tsars. 499 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,222 And the interesting thing 500 00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:27,759 is it's usually used against people 501 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,429 who the Russians would categorise as traitors. 502 00:30:32,731 --> 00:30:36,401 I mean, that means in Russian eyes, spying for the West. 503 00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:40,439 I mean, when I was in MI6, 504 00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:44,743 Russian military intelligence officers were extremely angry 505 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:48,613 about the way that they had emerged from the Cold War. 506 00:30:50,115 --> 00:30:53,719 And the, sort of, breakup of the Soviet Empire. 507 00:30:54,886 --> 00:30:57,656 You know, it was a good time to recruit Russians. 508 00:30:57,723 --> 00:30:58,824 (chuckles) 509 00:31:01,126 --> 00:31:04,496 Mark: Putin has described the collapse of Soviet Union 510 00:31:04,563 --> 00:31:07,899 as the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century. 511 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,001 And in some ways, 512 00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:14,306 I think Skripal would also have seen it as a great tragedy. 513 00:31:17,042 --> 00:31:18,977 It's one of those curious things, isn't it, 514 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:24,316 about human nature that people can have the same starting point 515 00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,685 but end up in very different places 516 00:31:26,752 --> 00:31:28,387 or mentalities about things. 517 00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:30,956 Reporter: The ruble has lost another 10% of its value 518 00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:33,291 against the dollar since the start of the year. 519 00:31:33,358 --> 00:31:36,328 Mark: In the mid-1990s, when everything in Russia 520 00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:39,698 was really going haywire, 521 00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:43,935 oligarchs gobbling up key sectors of industry. 522 00:31:46,438 --> 00:31:49,708 And so Putin has come to the conclusion 523 00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:54,613 that he's got to rebuild, in effect, the Soviet Union, 524 00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,850 whereas Skripal has come to the conclusion 525 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,752 that, no, it's gone, 526 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,259 and that his primary interest is to make sure 527 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:09,828 that he and his family are looked after. 528 00:32:13,331 --> 00:32:20,505 And so MI6 gave him the opportunity to get out. 529 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,515 (bells tolling) 530 00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:36,488 Reporter: The historic city of Salisbury. 531 00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:40,759 Population around 50,000 532 00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:44,463 and the location of the first chemical weapons attack 533 00:32:44,529 --> 00:32:45,630 in this country. 534 00:32:45,697 --> 00:32:47,999 Good evening, ladies and gents. I'm Keir Pritchard, 535 00:32:48,066 --> 00:32:49,568 the Chief Constable for Wiltshire... 536 00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,636 Meg: At one of our public meetings, 537 00:32:51,703 --> 00:32:56,308 we were told that a nerve agent had been used, 538 00:32:57,042 --> 00:33:01,379 and it was one of those moments where you think, 539 00:33:01,446 --> 00:33:04,282 "Well, that's actually quite serious." 540 00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:07,419 The agent couldn't possibly still be out 541 00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:09,821 there somewhere in Salisbury. 542 00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:15,026 Apparently, it would have taken only a few drops to have killed, 543 00:33:15,093 --> 00:33:17,629 I think it was 4,000 people. 544 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,233 And then we were told exactly where it had come from. 545 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,802 Reporter: This afternoon, the UK released a statement 546 00:33:23,869 --> 00:33:27,706 saying they had pinpointed a Russian military research base 547 00:33:27,772 --> 00:33:30,509 as the place that produced the Novichok. 548 00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:35,947 Theresa May: The intelligence made very clear 549 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:38,350 that Russia had been responsible for this. 550 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:42,320 I mean, we have international laws and rules 551 00:33:42,387 --> 00:33:44,956 about not using chemical weapons. 552 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,792 So there's that point in time where 553 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,262 you have to start preparing for the worst. 554 00:33:50,328 --> 00:33:51,396 (press clamouring) 555 00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:53,632 Will this government stand up to Russia 556 00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:55,500 if a link is proved? 557 00:33:58,703 --> 00:33:59,838 Amber Rudd: There were people who thought 558 00:33:59,905 --> 00:34:03,241 we should treat this attack as an act of war. 559 00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:06,845 (suspenseful music) 560 00:34:06,912 --> 00:34:09,748 And so the Prime Minister decided it was time 561 00:34:10,448 --> 00:34:12,417 to call out Russia. 562 00:34:20,492 --> 00:34:21,660 Order! 563 00:34:22,193 --> 00:34:23,562 Order! 564 00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:25,530 Order! 565 00:34:25,797 --> 00:34:27,532 I say to members, Order! 566 00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:30,835 Members must calm down. 567 00:34:31,136 --> 00:34:35,540 It's as simple and incontestable as that. 568 00:34:35,607 --> 00:34:36,808 (jeering) 569 00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:38,777 Statement, the Prime Minister. 570 00:34:39,044 --> 00:34:41,279 Hear, hear! 571 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:45,216 With permission, Mr Speaker, I would like to update the House 572 00:34:45,283 --> 00:34:47,686 on the incident in Salisbury, and the steps we are... 573 00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:49,788 Amber Rudd: It was a very serious moment. 574 00:34:49,854 --> 00:34:53,825 House was packed, and it was incredibly quiet. 575 00:34:53,892 --> 00:34:55,827 And you know, the House of Commons is usually... 576 00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:58,930 There's a lot of kind of shouting and name-calling 577 00:34:58,997 --> 00:35:00,432 and argy-bargy. 578 00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:01,600 Not that day. 579 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,236 As a nation that believes in justice and the rule of law, 580 00:35:05,303 --> 00:35:08,273 it is essential that we proceed in the right way. 581 00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:11,610 Led not by speculation, but by the evidence. 582 00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:12,844 Hear, hear. 583 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,045 Amber Rudd: I was feeling 584 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,314 pretty uncomfortable and concerned. 585 00:35:16,381 --> 00:35:17,616 Producer: Was Theresa feeling the same way? 586 00:35:17,682 --> 00:35:20,151 Did she ever tell you about how she was feeling? 587 00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:24,456 (laughs) No, the Prime Minister doesn't tell you her feelings. 588 00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:28,627 It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned 589 00:35:28,693 --> 00:35:30,996 with a military-grade nerve agent 590 00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:33,498 of a type developed by Russia. 591 00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:37,435 This is part of a group of nerve agents known as Novichok. 592 00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:40,438 The government has concluded that it is highly likely 593 00:35:40,505 --> 00:35:43,008 that Russia was responsible for the act against 594 00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:45,276 Sergei and Yulia Skripal. 595 00:35:45,343 --> 00:35:46,745 -Hear, hear! -Mr Speaker, 596 00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:49,714 this attempted murder using a weapons-grade nerve agent 597 00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:54,552 in a British town was not just a crime against the Skripals. 598 00:35:54,619 --> 00:35:57,288 It was an indiscriminate and reckless act 599 00:35:57,355 --> 00:35:59,424 against the United Kingdom, 600 00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:02,427 putting the lives of innocent civilians at risk. 601 00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:05,363 And we will not tolerate such a brazen attempt 602 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:08,033 to murder innocent civilians on our soil. 603 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,969 I commend this statement to the House. 604 00:36:11,302 --> 00:36:14,005 Order! Order! 605 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:20,045 Mark: Of course, attributing these attacks was important, 606 00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:22,647 but I felt we needed to go further, 607 00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:26,885 um, and actually impose significant sanctions. 608 00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:29,621 Amber Rudd: Our ambassador was dispatched... 609 00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:31,823 ...military-grade nerve agent... 610 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:33,124 Amber Rudd: ...because whatever we did, 611 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:36,094 it had to be done in unity with other countries, 612 00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:42,567 but we didn't know how each country would actually respond. 613 00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:43,702 (tense music) 614 00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:45,036 Trump: Getting along with Russia 615 00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:46,404 would be a good thing, 616 00:36:46,471 --> 00:36:47,372 not a bad thing. 617 00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,774 And just about everybody agrees to that, 618 00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:51,776 except very stupid people. 619 00:36:52,644 --> 00:36:54,112 It was really challenging, 620 00:36:54,179 --> 00:36:56,648 partly because of Russian disinformation. 621 00:36:56,715 --> 00:37:01,986 They say we have actual facts that you did it. 622 00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:06,324 Okay, if you have facts, come to us, put the facts on the table. 623 00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:09,327 There's something in the psyche of the Russian state 624 00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:12,063 which long pre-dates the Putin regime... 625 00:37:12,497 --> 00:37:15,700 President Putin, is Russia behind the poisoning? 626 00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:18,636 Mark: ...in which lying 627 00:37:18,703 --> 00:37:21,272 and everyone knowing that you're lying is a sign of power, 628 00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:24,609 because you can lie and you aren't held accountable for it. 629 00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:26,678 (speaking in Russian) 630 00:37:36,521 --> 00:37:42,660 I thought it was grotesque seeing these people mocking us, 631 00:37:42,727 --> 00:37:46,464 telling these colourful lies. 632 00:37:46,531 --> 00:37:48,800 It caused a certain amount of confusion. 633 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:51,503 (speaking in Russian) 634 00:38:04,582 --> 00:38:05,583 (laughter) 635 00:38:08,486 --> 00:38:11,856 Richard: I don't think anyone really anticipated 636 00:38:12,891 --> 00:38:17,796 how far relations between Russia and the West would go belly up. 637 00:38:17,862 --> 00:38:20,098 (ominous music) 638 00:38:20,165 --> 00:38:24,068 Putin's attitude to the West had changed. 639 00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:29,574 (speaking in Russian) 640 00:38:40,218 --> 00:38:42,487 Well, my last visit to Moscow was... 641 00:38:44,355 --> 00:38:46,691 probably the beginning of 2004. 642 00:38:48,193 --> 00:38:50,728 Tony Blair asked my advice, 643 00:38:50,795 --> 00:38:54,732 whether the UK couldn't have a different relationship 644 00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:56,467 with this Russian leader. 645 00:39:00,305 --> 00:39:03,508 And I was certainly one of the people that said to Blair, 646 00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:07,312 "Well, why not give it a try?" 647 00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:11,349 You know, we were quite keen, 648 00:39:12,784 --> 00:39:15,653 and I mean, we, I'm talking almost generally about the West, 649 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,188 to try and have a different relationship 650 00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:19,424 with a different sort of Russian leader. 651 00:39:23,127 --> 00:39:25,496 I don't think we initially saw him 652 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:29,667 as this autocrat he's become. 653 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,555 (suspenseful music) 654 00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:36,995 The investigation was still working at incredible pace. 655 00:41:37,795 --> 00:41:41,366 Neil: Our whole team had been working night and day on this. 656 00:41:41,432 --> 00:41:43,401 Going through it frame by frame, 657 00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:44,869 tens of thousands of hours 658 00:41:44,936 --> 00:41:47,572 of closed-circuit television footage. 659 00:41:47,638 --> 00:41:50,241 And then I remember getting the call from Dean 660 00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:52,777 and going into Dean's office. 661 00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:56,748 He said, I've got a photograph of the suspect in the case. 662 00:41:58,549 --> 00:42:01,519 Dean: They came into the country on false identities. 663 00:42:02,587 --> 00:42:04,756 On the Sunday, 4th of March, 664 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,592 the suspects travelled down to Salisbury, 665 00:42:07,658 --> 00:42:09,894 they walked around the town centre 666 00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:13,164 and then, for a short period of time, 667 00:42:13,231 --> 00:42:15,633 their movements are not captured by CCTV, 668 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,037 but we're confident they went to the home address of Sergei, 669 00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:21,672 placed Novichok on the door handle. 670 00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:26,077 They then left and immediately flew out of the country 671 00:42:26,144 --> 00:42:30,381 via Heathrow Airport, returning to Moscow in Russia. 672 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:35,153 Neil: So we're sitting there thinking how brilliant it was 673 00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,221 to have images of these people. 674 00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:41,159 Dean: The key outstanding issue, though, was the Novichok. 675 00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:44,862 How did it get into the country, and where was it now? 676 00:42:45,296 --> 00:42:46,798 Neil: We were pretty sure 677 00:42:46,864 --> 00:42:50,101 they've discarded the Novichok in Salisbury. 678 00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:52,737 It could've been in the park, it could've been in the bin, 679 00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:54,839 it could've been thrown in the river. 680 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,509 And I was getting paranoid that somebody else was gonna 681 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:02,080 potentially fall seriously ill or...or die. 682 00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,623 Charlie: I had just moved into my place. 683 00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:15,093 (mysterious music) 684 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:20,031 It was a place that houses people that need to be rehoused. 685 00:43:20,565 --> 00:43:22,967 And I was happy as punch to move in. 686 00:43:25,503 --> 00:43:27,638 I was planning for Dawn to move in. 687 00:43:29,207 --> 00:43:31,142 I'd known her for 16 months, 688 00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:34,779 so we'd probably been an item for a year of that. 689 00:43:35,847 --> 00:43:38,950 And she was a very, very kind, loving person. 690 00:43:39,684 --> 00:43:42,186 Yeah, we were quite happy together. 691 00:43:43,387 --> 00:43:46,224 (horn tooting) 692 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:51,529 I used to go around Salisbury and get things for the house. 693 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:55,867 There's a few charity places. 694 00:43:56,534 --> 00:43:59,837 They would always leave unwanted stuff out the back. 695 00:43:59,904 --> 00:44:01,939 (eerie music) 696 00:44:02,607 --> 00:44:05,276 They're very large bins, you could climb in them, 697 00:44:05,343 --> 00:44:06,744 they were that big. 698 00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:10,214 That's where I'd find most of my things, yeah. 699 00:44:11,549 --> 00:44:14,752 It did carry a bit of a stigma being seen in a bin... 700 00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:15,887 (chuckles) 701 00:44:15,953 --> 00:44:18,656 ...but, uh, it reaped its rewards. 702 00:44:21,626 --> 00:44:27,465 Very occasionally, I'd find jewellery and give it to Dawn. 703 00:44:29,133 --> 00:44:34,172 She often made comments about getting her an engagement ring, 704 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:37,642 so I would always dig to the bottom 705 00:44:38,075 --> 00:44:41,846 just in case I'd find that... that ring. 706 00:44:44,615 --> 00:44:48,486 And then one time, I couldn't believe it. 707 00:44:49,387 --> 00:44:55,259 Right at the bottom was a very expensive-looking perfume. 708 00:44:58,663 --> 00:45:02,667 I didn't give it to Dawn immediately, it just sat around. 709 00:45:02,934 --> 00:45:05,102 I was waiting for the right time. 710 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:19,317 Reporter: It had been feared that neither Sergei Skripal 711 00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:22,186 nor his daughter Yulia would ever recover 712 00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:24,188 from the nerve agent attack. 713 00:45:24,455 --> 00:45:26,290 But now, after a month in a coma 714 00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:28,226 in Salisbury District Hospital, 715 00:45:28,292 --> 00:45:29,994 there was this announcement. 716 00:45:30,261 --> 00:45:32,863 (speaking in Russian) 717 00:45:40,137 --> 00:45:43,407 I didn't realise she was going to come on the television. 718 00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:47,144 And I became slightly emotional. 719 00:45:47,211 --> 00:45:48,846 (haunting music) 720 00:45:48,913 --> 00:45:53,584 When I last saw her, she was desperately unwell. 721 00:45:55,286 --> 00:45:58,356 Was trying pull at the tube that was in her trachea, 722 00:45:58,422 --> 00:45:59,991 and she was terrified. 723 00:46:00,691 --> 00:46:03,594 But during that time, I was talking to her, 724 00:46:03,661 --> 00:46:06,230 uh, reassuring her that she was safe. 725 00:46:06,297 --> 00:46:09,267 And meanwhile, Sergei next door, he was, 726 00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:11,669 "When I get out of here, I'm going to kill these... 727 00:46:11,736 --> 00:46:13,170 you know, I know who's done this. 728 00:46:13,237 --> 00:46:14,272 I'll kill the fuckers." 729 00:46:14,338 --> 00:46:15,506 Sergei, you can't say that! 730 00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,975 You know, everything he said was being recorded. 731 00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:21,679 At any one time, there were four police officers 732 00:46:21,746 --> 00:46:24,081 who were clearly very heavily armed, 733 00:46:24,148 --> 00:46:26,617 and there was always a people carrier 734 00:46:26,684 --> 00:46:29,053 with other police officers in the car park. 735 00:46:29,553 --> 00:46:32,657 And it was like that until they were discharged. 736 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,260 Reporter: Sergei Skripal's home 737 00:46:36,327 --> 00:46:39,030 is still a closely guarded crime scene, 738 00:46:39,096 --> 00:46:41,232 As to where he and his daughter are now, 739 00:46:41,299 --> 00:46:43,834 well, that's a secret. 740 00:46:43,901 --> 00:46:46,203 It's a mystery, you know, no one knows... 741 00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:47,438 he got poisoned, he was in hospital, 742 00:46:47,505 --> 00:46:48,806 and then he disappeared. 743 00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:51,676 I'd imagine Yulia 744 00:46:51,909 --> 00:46:54,879 is leading more of a normal life than her father. 745 00:46:56,347 --> 00:46:59,550 You know, you do think, where did he end up? 746 00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:24,508 (haunting Russian folk music) 747 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,445 (indistinct shouting and cheering) 748 00:48:43,187 --> 00:48:45,389 (cheering) 749 00:49:03,974 --> 00:49:06,877 (suspenseful music) 750 00:49:14,151 --> 00:49:17,388 Mark: Basically, Sergei's posting to Madrid 751 00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:19,457 produced a moment of opportunity. 752 00:49:20,591 --> 00:49:24,528 MI6 had been looking at him for a while. 753 00:49:26,197 --> 00:49:28,866 Often these targets for cultivation, 754 00:49:29,366 --> 00:49:32,336 it's through things like interception of communications. 755 00:49:32,403 --> 00:49:33,237 Hello? 756 00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:35,439 They hear them on the phone moaning. 757 00:49:35,506 --> 00:49:36,774 They haven't got enough money, or 758 00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:39,376 they don't like what's going on at home politically. 759 00:49:39,443 --> 00:49:42,112 "I'm disgusted with the collapse of Soviet power." 760 00:49:42,179 --> 00:49:44,682 - (speaking in Russian) -But there's no point 761 00:49:44,748 --> 00:49:45,983 crying over spilt milk. 762 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:47,117 (speaking in Russian) 763 00:49:47,184 --> 00:49:48,619 And it's really every man and woman 764 00:49:48,686 --> 00:49:50,154 for themselves. 765 00:49:50,688 --> 00:49:55,493 So the officer who was sent to cultivate Skripal 766 00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,128 was posing as a businessman. 767 00:49:59,029 --> 00:50:00,331 (speaking in Russian) 768 00:50:00,397 --> 00:50:04,502 They had multiple meetings, various contacts. 769 00:50:05,035 --> 00:50:09,206 Restaurants, and once or twice I think they went to nightclubs, 770 00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:13,777 and Skripal felt they were becoming actual friends. 771 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,216 I've heard it described by a former MI6 officer 772 00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:23,754 as, you know, a seduction in which you're using 773 00:50:23,821 --> 00:50:28,659 all your intelligence and guile and charm and persuasiveness... 774 00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:35,633 to get someone to make the worst mistake of their lives. 775 00:50:37,902 --> 00:50:42,706 Uh, in other words, to turn traitor, in Russian terms. 776 00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:44,308 (speaking in Russian) 777 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:48,412 This MI6 officer, he brought presents. 778 00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,415 And one of the presents he brought 779 00:50:51,482 --> 00:50:56,253 was this little resin model of a typical English country cottage. 780 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,156 And clearly, to him... 781 00:50:59,223 --> 00:51:00,257 (poignant music) 782 00:51:00,324 --> 00:51:01,959 ...meant a great deal. 783 00:51:02,026 --> 00:51:04,128 (speaking in Russian) 784 00:51:04,194 --> 00:51:05,696 In some ways, I suppose 785 00:51:05,763 --> 00:51:08,566 it sort of symbolised his dream of oldie England 786 00:51:08,632 --> 00:51:11,635 or Little England, or however you want to put it. 787 00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:17,474 Richard: The myth of England is quite powerful. 788 00:51:18,642 --> 00:51:24,582 A lot of the best spies are attracted by the myth. 789 00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:26,417 Producer: What is the myth? 790 00:51:26,483 --> 00:51:28,786 Well, it's been created over time. 791 00:51:28,852 --> 00:51:32,723 It's a combination of fact and fiction. 792 00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:34,592 (jaunty music) 793 00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:37,628 (cheering) 794 00:51:41,899 --> 00:51:43,867 (background laughter) 795 00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:48,973 Richard: This country can offer something 796 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:50,708 which is pretty unique. 797 00:51:50,774 --> 00:51:53,477 -Producer: The brand is good? -Well, the brand is bloody good. 798 00:51:53,544 --> 00:51:56,513 Excuse my language, but... (chuckles) 799 00:51:57,481 --> 00:52:01,418 You don't spy unless there's a damn good reason for it. 800 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,256 It's a massive risk for them to take. 801 00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:09,627 (wind whistling) 802 00:52:21,672 --> 00:52:23,741 (brooding music) 803 00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:27,611 The information MI6 got from him was technicolour. 804 00:52:27,945 --> 00:52:31,081 You know, this was not just a vivid picture 805 00:52:31,148 --> 00:52:33,751 of the internal structure and machinations 806 00:52:33,817 --> 00:52:36,286 of Russian intelligence services, 807 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,656 it was the whole thing. 808 00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:35,646 John: Putin is a man who requires loyalty 809 00:53:36,847 --> 00:53:40,651 in order to stay in the exalted position that he has. 810 00:53:42,653 --> 00:53:44,722 It's about instilling fear. 811 00:53:46,824 --> 00:53:49,793 If anybody ever betrays him, 812 00:53:50,828 --> 00:53:52,496 they will never be forgiven. 813 00:53:54,331 --> 00:53:56,500 In a sense, it's a sign of his own weakness. 814 00:53:56,567 --> 00:53:57,868 (foreboding music) 815 00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,204 It's not as if he's deeply unpopular 816 00:54:01,305 --> 00:54:03,040 amongst the Russian people, 817 00:54:04,007 --> 00:54:08,445 but those close to him know the level of corruption around him. 818 00:54:12,015 --> 00:54:15,052 And know how brutal he is. 819 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,657 And many of them despise Putin's leadership 820 00:54:20,724 --> 00:54:22,926 and know that Russia could actually do better 821 00:54:22,993 --> 00:54:24,695 with a different type of leader. 822 00:54:27,731 --> 00:54:31,435 It takes incredible bravery and courage for individuals 823 00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:34,238 to decide that they're going to buck their own system 824 00:54:34,304 --> 00:54:36,373 and they're going to follow their values. 825 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,609 (foreboding music intensifies) 826 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:43,313 You know the risks associated... 827 00:54:46,216 --> 00:54:47,551 and you still do it. 828 00:54:50,721 --> 00:54:52,389 If you're risking your life for something, 829 00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:55,259 you rarely risk your life just for a bit more money. 830 00:54:56,693 --> 00:54:59,429 It has to be something more fundamental than that. 831 00:55:08,405 --> 00:55:10,274 Mark: At a certain point, 832 00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,543 the spy hunters in Moscow, 833 00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:18,081 they got these indications that there were some leaks. 834 00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:19,783 (suspenseful music) 835 00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:23,487 Russian intelligence had been watching Sergei for a while. 836 00:55:26,456 --> 00:55:29,526 One of the things you'd have to say about Sergei Skripal 837 00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:33,797 is that he didn't have a very finely developed sense 838 00:55:33,864 --> 00:55:35,265 of when he was in danger, 839 00:55:37,935 --> 00:55:41,505 right up until, you know, the time when he was lifted. 840 00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:45,175 (banging) 841 00:55:45,242 --> 00:55:46,577 (indistinct shouting) 842 00:55:51,448 --> 00:55:55,352 (speaking in Russian) 843 00:56:12,736 --> 00:56:14,638 (applause) 844 00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:25,315 John: If your upbringing is in a country like Russia, 845 00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:29,553 then you know what the price of betraying your country is. 846 00:56:30,888 --> 00:56:34,558 Sergei Skripal was sentenced to 13 years of hard labour 847 00:56:34,625 --> 00:56:37,661 in one of Russia's brutal prison camps, 848 00:56:40,364 --> 00:56:42,532 and of course, many people who go into those labour camps 849 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,368 aren't expected to survive. 850 00:56:47,671 --> 00:56:49,706 And the only way of getting them out 851 00:56:50,707 --> 00:56:53,644 is offering the Russians something that they badly want 852 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:56,513 in return for something which you would rather like. 853 00:56:57,981 --> 00:56:59,149 (siren wailing) 854 00:56:59,216 --> 00:57:00,851 Luckily for Skripal, 855 00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:03,053 in the early months of 2010, 856 00:57:03,654 --> 00:57:06,423 an opportunity came. (hopeful music) 857 00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:08,458 Speculation is reaching fever pitch 858 00:57:08,525 --> 00:57:11,161 that the biggest spy swap since the end of the Cold War 859 00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:12,796 is about to take place. 860 00:57:13,063 --> 00:57:16,366 Reporter: An American official says CIA chief Leon Panetta 861 00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:17,968 personally worked out the deal. 862 00:57:18,035 --> 00:57:22,406 Leon Panetta, my US Counterpart, called me and said, 863 00:57:22,472 --> 00:57:27,611 "We have caught and arrested a network of sleeper agents, 864 00:57:27,678 --> 00:57:29,980 Russian spies, who were deeply embedded 865 00:57:30,047 --> 00:57:31,782 inside the American system. 866 00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:36,420 The Russians really want these people back, 867 00:57:36,486 --> 00:57:39,856 and we're going to obviously negotiate terms for that. 868 00:57:39,923 --> 00:57:41,625 "Is there anybody on your side 869 00:57:41,692 --> 00:57:44,227 who you'd like to see extracted from Russia?" 870 00:57:44,494 --> 00:57:46,563 And so I said, "Yes." 871 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:50,400 Reporter: A few hours earlier, the swap itself 872 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,402 occurred at Vienna Airport. 873 00:57:54,271 --> 00:57:57,207 Reporter: 10 Russian agents who confessed to spying in America 874 00:57:57,274 --> 00:57:59,343 have arrived in Moscow, and four Russians 875 00:57:59,409 --> 00:58:01,078 who'd confessed to spying for the West 876 00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:02,779 have arrived in Britain. 877 00:58:05,983 --> 00:58:08,085 Mark: At that time... 878 00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:10,954 the relationship between Putin and the West 879 00:58:11,021 --> 00:58:15,892 was good enough for Sergei to consider his own safety 880 00:58:17,527 --> 00:58:20,564 to be pretty much airtight. 881 00:58:21,398 --> 00:58:23,266 He definitely did not consider 882 00:58:23,633 --> 00:58:28,705 that an assassination unit would be turning up on his doorstep. 883 00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,778 (bells ringing distantly) 884 00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:57,734 Emma: It did actually feel like things 885 00:58:57,801 --> 00:58:59,569 were getting back to normal. 886 00:59:00,370 --> 00:59:02,973 We couldn't be sure that we were safe but... 887 00:59:03,573 --> 00:59:07,310 the police, they seemed so chilled about it. 888 00:59:08,045 --> 00:59:09,746 You know, if the future king and queen of England 889 00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:12,916 are in Salisbury, you know, speaking to people, 890 00:59:12,983 --> 00:59:15,552 it's surely over by this point, isn't it? 891 00:59:15,619 --> 00:59:18,188 (suspenseful music) 892 00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:22,692 Meg: Everything calmed down, 893 00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:25,996 we got the city back, 894 00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:28,732 the ducks returned, 895 00:59:30,033 --> 00:59:33,737 and it was just a joy. 896 00:59:35,939 --> 00:59:41,178 I think everyone was happy to celebrate being safe again. 897 00:59:42,746 --> 00:59:46,316 We had such an enjoyable time, very special. 898 00:59:46,983 --> 00:59:48,685 Kelvin: It was a magnificent day. 899 00:59:48,752 --> 00:59:51,555 And in this church... 900 00:59:51,621 --> 00:59:53,490 (distant singing) 901 00:59:53,824 --> 00:59:57,761 ...we also had a ceremony of going out into the Maltings, 902 00:59:57,828 --> 00:59:59,429 where it had all taken place. 903 01:00:00,397 --> 01:00:02,732 It was a way of saying, actually, this is our city, 904 01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:05,435 and, uh, we have our values. 905 01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:12,442 This water of new life, I symbolically cleanse our city. 906 01:00:13,343 --> 01:00:15,045 (cheering and laughing) 907 01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:19,749 Emma: The cleansing of the city of Novichok 908 01:00:19,816 --> 01:00:21,785 was quite a thing to see. 909 01:00:21,852 --> 01:00:23,453 (ominous music) 910 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,125 But there was part of me that thought, "This is not over yet." 911 01:00:46,076 --> 01:00:48,778 It was just a normal Saturday. 912 01:00:49,212 --> 01:00:53,283 We were just watching a bit of daytime TV, 913 01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:55,085 and... 914 01:00:56,486 --> 01:01:02,893 I decided to give Dawn the perfume which I'd found. 915 01:01:02,959 --> 01:01:05,128 (foreboding music) 916 01:01:05,195 --> 01:01:09,332 She'd sprayed it, and gave it a sniff, 917 01:01:09,399 --> 01:01:11,301 then applied it on her wrists. 918 01:01:12,135 --> 01:01:14,137 But it was strange. 919 01:01:15,372 --> 01:01:17,374 A perfume with no smell. 920 01:01:18,909 --> 01:01:23,280 A short while after that, she said she felt peculiar. 921 01:01:24,781 --> 01:01:29,319 She left to go to the bathroom and I, um, heard a clonk. 922 01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:33,823 I went in the bathroom, 923 01:01:34,224 --> 01:01:36,826 and she wouldn't... wouldn't respond. 924 01:01:37,961 --> 01:01:39,896 Yeah, it's... 925 01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:43,934 Sorry, yeah. 926 01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:48,205 Yeah. 927 01:01:53,743 --> 01:01:55,045 (suspenseful music) 928 01:01:55,111 --> 01:01:57,180 Phoned 999, 929 01:01:58,815 --> 01:02:00,784 before I become ill myself. 930 01:02:04,654 --> 01:02:06,389 Neil: Paramedics had been called to the house. 931 01:02:06,456 --> 01:02:08,592 Salisbury police seemed very confused. 932 01:02:08,658 --> 01:02:10,360 They've immediately jumped to the conclusion 933 01:02:10,427 --> 01:02:12,929 that this is just a couple of drug addicts, 934 01:02:13,964 --> 01:02:16,833 which is a terrible assumption 935 01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:18,868 because she wasn't a drug addict. 936 01:02:18,935 --> 01:02:20,103 She was a... 937 01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:22,272 you know, a loving mum of three. 938 01:02:23,473 --> 01:02:26,309 It was the worst-case scenario. 939 01:02:29,479 --> 01:02:31,014 Reporter: The nerve agent incident 940 01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:32,816 that's cast a shadow over Salisbury 941 01:02:32,882 --> 01:02:35,552 has taken a serious turn for the worst. 942 01:02:36,353 --> 01:02:38,255 Now it's murder. 943 01:02:40,357 --> 01:02:43,059 It was just the hugest shock. 944 01:02:43,793 --> 01:02:47,731 Reporter: Dawn Sturgess died following exposure to Novichok. 945 01:02:48,565 --> 01:02:52,702 Emma: I was the first person at the scene where she was found. 946 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,304 I just burst into tears. 947 01:02:55,605 --> 01:02:58,508 This woman, you know, this innocent woman... 948 01:02:59,042 --> 01:03:01,878 It could've been me. It could've been any of us. 949 01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:06,716 I also felt incredibly sorry for Charlie because he loved her, 950 01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:10,420 and he effectively felt responsible for killing her. 951 01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,823 It was just the world's greatest tragedy. 952 01:03:17,127 --> 01:03:19,729 Reporter: A counterfeit bottle of designer perfume 953 01:03:19,796 --> 01:03:21,031 brought from Moscow, 954 01:03:21,097 --> 01:03:22,866 the suspected weapon. 955 01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:26,770 There was enough volume of Novichok 956 01:03:26,836 --> 01:03:31,141 in that tiny perfume tester bottle to kill 10,000 people. 957 01:03:32,042 --> 01:03:35,278 Which, to me, made it a weapon of mass destruction. 958 01:03:35,879 --> 01:03:37,881 I dunno about you, but I tend to think of 959 01:03:37,947 --> 01:03:41,151 intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads 960 01:03:41,217 --> 01:03:43,019 as weapons of mass destruction. 961 01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:46,289 Not a Nina Ricci perfume tester bottle. 962 01:03:46,356 --> 01:03:48,191 Journalist: Should the public have been alerted sooner 963 01:03:48,258 --> 01:03:49,826 to potential dangers? 964 01:03:51,995 --> 01:03:54,097 Theresa May: What I felt was a... 965 01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:57,734 not just a profound sense of sympathy 966 01:03:58,001 --> 01:04:00,904 um, and concern for her friends and family 967 01:04:00,970 --> 01:04:02,772 and obviously for her partner, 968 01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:04,507 (indistinct dialogue) 969 01:04:04,574 --> 01:04:10,613 ...but also immense anger at the Russian agents who did this 970 01:04:11,147 --> 01:04:16,052 and a steely determination that we were going to get them. 971 01:04:17,454 --> 01:04:20,023 And I've got a prime minister, a national security advisor, 972 01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:22,792 a cabinet secretary and an entire cabinet going, 973 01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:24,461 "We need to say something." 974 01:04:25,161 --> 01:04:27,330 So, the press conference was called 975 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:30,867 largely to say we've done everything we possibly can do. 976 01:04:31,101 --> 01:04:34,604 Both suspects are approximately 40 years old. 977 01:04:34,671 --> 01:04:36,339 They are both Russian nationals, 978 01:04:36,406 --> 01:04:39,109 and they were travelling on Russian passports. 979 01:04:39,175 --> 01:04:40,543 (tense music) 980 01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:43,813 It is likely that they were travelling under aliases, 981 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,648 and these are not their real names. 982 01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:48,752 Reporter: Police have determined that the pair left 983 01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:50,387 soon after the attack 984 01:04:50,453 --> 01:04:52,389 and that neither of them were known 985 01:04:52,455 --> 01:04:55,191 to British intelligence authorities. 986 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,996 Christo: So here we're looking at this press release, 987 01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:05,201 which showed clearly nobody knew the real names 988 01:05:05,268 --> 01:05:07,036 behind these fake identities. 989 01:05:08,238 --> 01:05:09,406 We see it as a puzzle, 990 01:05:09,472 --> 01:05:12,308 and we have to start with the data we have. 991 01:05:12,375 --> 01:05:16,713 Two faces, two fake names, a rough age. 992 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:21,918 So that's a puzzle we have to fit all of these few clues 993 01:05:21,985 --> 01:05:26,489 into a world of what, 200 million people living in Russia. 994 01:05:29,325 --> 01:05:33,930 And then suddenly, Putin comes into the whole story 995 01:05:33,997 --> 01:05:36,332 and makes a statement. 996 01:05:37,901 --> 01:05:40,370 (speaking in Russian) 997 01:05:45,508 --> 01:05:47,110 Christo: And he goes and says, 998 01:05:47,177 --> 01:05:50,146 "I think these are very law-abiding, good citizens." 999 01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:52,048 "There's nothing criminal about them, 1000 01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:53,850 but let them speak about themselves, 1001 01:05:53,917 --> 01:05:55,351 let them come forward." 1002 01:05:56,653 --> 01:05:59,856 (speaking in Russian) 1003 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:04,093 (mysterious music) 1004 01:06:05,328 --> 01:06:07,096 So we stop in our tracks and say, 1005 01:06:07,163 --> 01:06:09,399 "Well, this is becoming bigger than we thought." 1006 01:06:09,466 --> 01:06:12,168 "Why don't we just wait and see what gets published?" 1007 01:06:12,569 --> 01:06:16,206 And the next day, Russia Today airs the famous interview 1008 01:06:16,272 --> 01:06:17,674 with the two of them. 1009 01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:18,875 (speaking in Russian) 1010 01:06:36,259 --> 01:06:38,027 Christo: The whole world was waiting to see 1011 01:06:38,094 --> 01:06:39,662 what the hell this could be. 1012 01:06:40,029 --> 01:06:42,198 They must have a really strong case. 1013 01:07:05,455 --> 01:07:08,992 Well, it's still as cringeworthy as anything I've seen. 1014 01:07:09,058 --> 01:07:11,828 I've never seen anything more cringy. 1015 01:07:25,208 --> 01:07:26,509 Christo: You just have to look at the 1016 01:07:26,576 --> 01:07:28,177 ridiculousness around their face 1017 01:07:28,244 --> 01:07:30,647 to know that that is just a lie. 1018 01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:33,116 (mysterious music) 1019 01:07:33,182 --> 01:07:35,685 Christo: And so we started trying to contact 1020 01:07:35,752 --> 01:07:39,255 former military officers from Russia, 1021 01:07:39,322 --> 01:07:41,057 asking a simple question. 1022 01:07:41,124 --> 01:07:43,493 If these are people in their early 40s, 1023 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,995 and they are professional military spies, 1024 01:07:46,429 --> 01:07:50,166 where would they have studied their trade craft, their skills? 1025 01:07:53,303 --> 01:07:55,505 And we received two answers from two different people 1026 01:07:55,572 --> 01:07:57,540 that converged on the same thing. 1027 01:07:57,874 --> 01:08:00,343 There were only two elite schools that was mentioned 1028 01:08:00,410 --> 01:08:03,780 as a sort of breeding ground for spies. 1029 01:08:04,347 --> 01:08:07,984 One of them was the Far Eastern military institute. 1030 01:08:08,885 --> 01:08:10,253 Why don't you look there? 1031 01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:12,889 So we started digging into it. 1032 01:08:13,623 --> 01:08:16,826 And then the evidence came in the form of a Facebook page 1033 01:08:16,893 --> 01:08:18,828 of a former graduate, 1034 01:08:20,129 --> 01:08:23,866 and he's literally photographing everything as he walks around. 1035 01:08:24,867 --> 01:08:26,169 And then he goes to something 1036 01:08:26,235 --> 01:08:28,605 that is called the Wall of Honour. 1037 01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:30,406 And there in the blurriness, 1038 01:08:30,473 --> 01:08:35,445 we saw a silhouette of somebody with a Hero of Russia award, 1039 01:08:35,511 --> 01:08:38,047 who looks so much like one of our spies. 1040 01:08:38,281 --> 01:08:40,516 But then we zoomed in, we enhanced the photo, 1041 01:08:40,583 --> 01:08:43,353 and there was no doubt that this is our guy. 1042 01:08:43,419 --> 01:08:46,389 But the name under the photo was Anatoliy Chepiga. 1043 01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:51,060 This meant that Boshirov was in fact Anatoliy Chepiga. 1044 01:08:51,594 --> 01:08:55,331 We had a moment of jubilation, but where's the other one? 1045 01:08:58,334 --> 01:09:01,137 We had some minor clues of who this might be, 1046 01:09:01,204 --> 01:09:06,576 but ultimately, we came across a leaked car registration database 1047 01:09:06,809 --> 01:09:09,145 and that showed that the guy we knew, 1048 01:09:09,212 --> 01:09:11,948 Chepiga, had actually sold a car 1049 01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:15,785 to somebody called Alexander Mishkin. 1050 01:09:15,852 --> 01:09:18,488 And they were registered to the same address 1051 01:09:18,554 --> 01:09:19,789 at a dormitory in Moscow 1052 01:09:19,856 --> 01:09:22,325 belonging to Russian military intelligence. 1053 01:09:24,927 --> 01:09:27,263 So we thought maybe this Mishkin guy, 1054 01:09:27,330 --> 01:09:30,533 the guy with the car, is the one we're looking for. 1055 01:09:31,901 --> 01:09:33,870 But we needed to be really sure. 1056 01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:37,040 Then we had discovered that he grew up 1057 01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:39,942 and was born in this tiny village called Loyga. 1058 01:09:44,047 --> 01:09:45,515 And we sent somebody to Loyga. 1059 01:09:45,581 --> 01:09:48,718 Surely we can find somebody who can point him out to us 1060 01:09:48,785 --> 01:09:50,520 and recognise him on a photo. 1061 01:09:53,923 --> 01:09:56,092 It was a match, 100%. 1062 01:09:56,959 --> 01:09:59,662 Petrov was Alexander Mishkin. 1063 01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:06,369 But the biggest takeaway of that visit to Loyga was that, 1064 01:10:06,436 --> 01:10:07,570 like Chepiga, 1065 01:10:07,637 --> 01:10:11,474 Mishkin also had received the medal of Hero of Russia. 1066 01:10:17,246 --> 01:10:19,682 The thing is that award is only bestowed 1067 01:10:19,749 --> 01:10:20,883 by the President of Russia. 1068 01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:22,552 (dramatic Russian folk music) 1069 01:10:22,618 --> 01:10:25,621 That meant that both Mishkin and Chepiga 1070 01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,591 has shaken hands with Putin. 1071 01:10:28,658 --> 01:10:31,761 There was no way Putin would not have known who they are. 1072 01:10:32,428 --> 01:10:34,197 (line ringing) 1073 01:10:34,263 --> 01:10:37,133 I remember I got a call from a journalist to say, 1074 01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:40,536 "You've been asking for the evidence, here it is." 1075 01:10:40,603 --> 01:10:41,571 (suspenseful music) 1076 01:10:41,637 --> 01:10:44,040 So now we know exactly who's done this. 1077 01:10:45,007 --> 01:10:47,076 There's no doubt that something like this would have had to have 1078 01:10:47,143 --> 01:10:49,178 been sanctioned by Putin himself. 1079 01:10:50,847 --> 01:10:51,681 Morning. 1080 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:54,350 There is overwhelming evidence 1081 01:10:54,417 --> 01:10:56,619 that the Novichok was brought to Salisbury 1082 01:10:56,686 --> 01:10:59,188 by Russian GRU officers. 1083 01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:05,328 I am sure that in conducting this attack on Sergei Skripal, 1084 01:11:05,394 --> 01:11:07,930 they must have been acting on instructions 1085 01:11:07,997 --> 01:11:10,166 received from their superiors. 1086 01:11:11,033 --> 01:11:12,435 And I've concluded 1087 01:11:12,502 --> 01:11:15,605 that the operation to assassinate Sergei Skripal 1088 01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:18,775 must have been authorised at the highest level. 1089 01:11:21,778 --> 01:11:24,113 Indeed, by President Putin. 1090 01:11:28,851 --> 01:11:35,324 Now our allies could be 100% sure that it was Russia, 1091 01:11:35,391 --> 01:11:36,559 that they'd done it deliberately. 1092 01:11:36,626 --> 01:11:44,233 The 8,362nd meeting of the Security Council 1093 01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,569 is called to order. 1094 01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:48,437 Thank you, Mr President. 1095 01:11:48,738 --> 01:11:51,541 The United Kingdom has presented detailed evidence 1096 01:11:51,607 --> 01:11:54,610 clearly laid out in charges of attempted murder 1097 01:11:54,677 --> 01:11:57,180 and the use and possession of a chemical weapon 1098 01:11:57,246 --> 01:11:59,715 against two agents of the Russian state. 1099 01:11:59,782 --> 01:12:02,051 And we will continue to take the necessary steps 1100 01:12:02,118 --> 01:12:04,420 to ensure our collective security. 1101 01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:08,291 I said to President Trump and to other world leaders, 1102 01:12:08,691 --> 01:12:11,594 if we let them do this without a reaction, 1103 01:12:11,661 --> 01:12:14,730 then they will think they are able to do it elsewhere. 1104 01:12:14,797 --> 01:12:16,599 Reporter: 16 EU member states 1105 01:12:16,666 --> 01:12:19,635 have announced the expulsion of Russian diplomats. 1106 01:12:19,702 --> 01:12:23,873 Outside the EU, Ukraine expelled 13 diplomats. 1107 01:12:24,507 --> 01:12:27,109 But the biggest batch of expulsions comes from the US, 1108 01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:28,277 where the White House announced 1109 01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,246 60 officials would have to leave, 1110 01:12:30,313 --> 01:12:32,615 including a dozen based at the UN. 1111 01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:36,552 And it was the biggest expulsion of Russian intelligence officers 1112 01:12:36,619 --> 01:12:39,155 around the world that had ever been seen. 1113 01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:43,392 Amber Rudd: Putin only respects strength. 1114 01:12:43,459 --> 01:12:46,762 The only way to respond to him is to stand up to him. 1115 01:12:46,829 --> 01:12:50,132 And we mustn't be frightened of doing that. 1116 01:12:50,466 --> 01:12:55,338 And we must guard NATO's borders literally with our lives. 1117 01:13:06,883 --> 01:13:08,751 Christo: The case of the Skripal poisonings 1118 01:13:08,818 --> 01:13:11,354 never finished for me and my colleagues. 1119 01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:17,260 It just became the beginning of a whole new series 1120 01:13:17,326 --> 01:13:18,928 of investigations. 1121 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:26,135 Anyway, so I'll show you some specific data a bit later. 1122 01:13:26,202 --> 01:13:27,970 (tense music) 1123 01:13:28,037 --> 01:13:29,739 -Hey, man. -How are you? 1124 01:13:31,974 --> 01:13:34,043 The last trip taken by him 1125 01:13:34,510 --> 01:13:37,446 travelling on military planes undercover. 1126 01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:40,583 We continued tracking. 1127 01:13:41,484 --> 01:13:43,252 We found they're still living in Russia 1128 01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:45,454 and they're still very much active. 1129 01:13:45,521 --> 01:13:47,023 These are Mishkin's two daughters. 1130 01:13:47,089 --> 01:13:51,327 This daughter was literally born on the day they left Salisbury. 1131 01:13:51,394 --> 01:13:52,662 -No. -Yes. 1132 01:13:53,162 --> 01:13:55,564 I know them better than anyone. 1133 01:13:55,631 --> 01:13:58,267 I certainly know their life better than their wives do. 1134 01:13:58,334 --> 01:14:00,403 We have their medical records, 1135 01:14:00,469 --> 01:14:02,305 car insurance databases, 1136 01:14:02,705 --> 01:14:03,940 driver's licenses. 1137 01:14:05,007 --> 01:14:07,243 We even hacked traffic cameras. 1138 01:14:07,977 --> 01:14:11,447 And look at him, he's got like a new fancy beard. 1139 01:14:11,847 --> 01:14:13,282 By tracking them, 1140 01:14:13,749 --> 01:14:18,554 we uncovered a whole new unit run by these guys. 1141 01:14:20,089 --> 01:14:21,924 Nickname: Sabotage University. 1142 01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:28,064 Turns out they're training the new generation 1143 01:14:28,130 --> 01:14:29,699 of freelance killers. 1144 01:14:30,032 --> 01:14:31,567 (police sirens) 1145 01:14:31,634 --> 01:14:35,604 People from the street with no prior military background, 1146 01:14:35,671 --> 01:14:37,673 criminals from different countries... 1147 01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:40,643 (shouting) 1148 01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:45,648 ...being trained to conduct acts of sabotage... 1149 01:14:46,215 --> 01:14:48,384 Stay still! Stay still! 1150 01:14:49,118 --> 01:14:50,720 ...and assassinations. 1151 01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:57,093 The knowledge of what they're doing today 1152 01:14:57,793 --> 01:15:00,963 allows us to predict what might be happening next. 1153 01:15:02,398 --> 01:15:04,400 There's comes a point where you have to tell the world 1154 01:15:04,467 --> 01:15:05,901 what you've found. 1155 01:15:05,968 --> 01:15:07,169 Christo, thanks for joining us. 1156 01:15:07,236 --> 01:15:08,270 Hi. 1157 01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:10,306 We'll be going live in one minute. 1158 01:15:10,606 --> 01:15:11,974 Very good, thank you. 1159 01:15:13,442 --> 01:15:16,112 John: Everybody reads about the plots that get through, 1160 01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:19,315 but no one reads about the plots that are disrupted. 1161 01:15:19,382 --> 01:15:21,984 And there are thousands, if not tens of thousands 1162 01:15:22,051 --> 01:15:24,186 of people now going about their daily lives 1163 01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:27,423 who would have been killed had it not been for the people 1164 01:15:27,490 --> 01:15:29,825 who have helped Western intelligence agencies. 1165 01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:37,066 Okay, Christo, going live in 3, 2, and we're live. 1166 01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,302 Christo, thanks so much for being with us. 1167 01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:44,407 These are new, blood-curdling discoveries 1168 01:15:44,473 --> 01:15:47,443 that we find today about what these teams are doing, 1169 01:15:47,877 --> 01:15:50,246 all the way from connected crimes, as they call it, 1170 01:15:50,312 --> 01:15:52,715 like killing people, targeting people, 1171 01:15:53,449 --> 01:15:54,450 to disruption, 1172 01:15:54,517 --> 01:15:57,520 to disinformation projects around the world. 1173 01:15:58,421 --> 01:16:01,924 I guess what this also does is as well reminds the public 1174 01:16:01,991 --> 01:16:04,427 that this is sort of an ever-present danger. 1175 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,028 -Totally agree. -Okay. 1176 01:16:06,095 --> 01:16:07,329 All the best with your work, Christo. 1177 01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,665 Thank you. Have a great day. Thanks. Bye. 1178 01:16:12,535 --> 01:16:13,636 Good. 1179 01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:15,471 (sighs) 1180 01:16:22,178 --> 01:16:24,346 (pensive music) 1181 01:16:32,288 --> 01:16:36,292 Meg: What had happened here was so surreal. 1182 01:16:37,726 --> 01:16:43,132 It took a while to sort of work out, what does it mean to me? 1183 01:16:44,133 --> 01:16:48,037 It was like fiction, but it was real. 1184 01:16:48,737 --> 01:16:49,738 Tragic. 1185 01:16:55,711 --> 01:16:59,482 It doesn't sound like it's something that happens 1186 01:17:00,182 --> 01:17:01,750 in your town. 1187 01:17:06,255 --> 01:17:09,058 Emma: You do wonder what happened to Sergei Skripal. 1188 01:17:11,994 --> 01:17:14,663 Is he still here? Does he still come here? 1189 01:17:14,730 --> 01:17:16,599 (jaunty music) 1190 01:17:16,665 --> 01:17:19,468 I mean, I have friends who claim to have seen him 1191 01:17:19,535 --> 01:17:21,704 at the cemetery, 1192 01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:24,206 where his wife is buried. 1193 01:17:28,043 --> 01:17:30,212 (wind whistling) 1194 01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:59,308 ♪ I hear the thunder roar 93947

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