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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,928 --> 00:00:12,350 It's interesting. I didn't think about this. 2 00:00:12,429 --> 00:00:15,148 It's like living a lie. 3 00:00:15,224 --> 00:00:19,855 I didn't live a lot of lies, but I lived one big one. 4 00:00:19,937 --> 00:00:23,407 You know, it's different, I guess. Maybe it's not. 5 00:00:23,482 --> 00:00:25,234 But yeah, it's... 6 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:29,822 And what I said in there with just how 7 00:00:29,905 --> 00:00:32,033 this story is all over the place, 8 00:00:32,115 --> 00:00:34,834 and there are these two 9 00:00:34,910 --> 00:00:40,633 just complete opposite narratives. 10 00:00:42,292 --> 00:00:46,013 You know, the only person 11 00:00:46,088 --> 00:00:48,807 that can actually start to let people 12 00:00:48,966 --> 00:00:51,685 understand what the true narrative is is me. 13 00:00:52,636 --> 00:00:54,058 And you should know that better than anybody. 14 00:00:54,137 --> 00:01:00,941 Let's get to the real nature and the real detail of the story. 15 00:01:01,019 --> 00:01:05,570 'Cause we haven't heard it yet, is the truth. 16 00:01:09,987 --> 00:01:11,284 Lance, how you feeling? 17 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:12,748 Good. I'm very good. 18 00:01:15,659 --> 00:01:17,627 Nervous. But that's good. 19 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:21,881 Always nervous for these. 20 00:01:22,791 --> 00:01:24,793 Not a lot of room for error. 21 00:01:25,836 --> 00:01:28,510 So makes it interesting. 22 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:31,388 Oh, yeah. Welcome to the party. 23 00:01:50,193 --> 00:01:52,867 In 2009, I set out to make a film about 24 00:01:52,988 --> 00:01:55,616 Lance Armstrong's comeback year. 25 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:57,793 It seemed like a great ride. 26 00:01:57,868 --> 00:02:00,121 A retired champion with a contentious past 27 00:02:00,245 --> 00:02:02,498 comes back to cycling to show them all. 28 00:02:02,581 --> 00:02:05,004 Then the Lance doping scandal erupted 29 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:07,469 and I had to put the film aside. 30 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:09,512 When I picked the film back up, I faced 31 00:02:09,588 --> 00:02:12,592 the same question that haunted me in 2009. 32 00:02:12,883 --> 00:02:14,977 Why did he come back? 33 00:02:15,052 --> 00:02:17,896 He'd won the Tour de France seven times. 34 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:20,645 I wondered what I had been witness to in 2009. 35 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:25,321 And what did it mean now that the truth about Lance was known? 36 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:30,484 In making my new film, all roads seemed to lead back to the past. 37 00:02:47,918 --> 00:02:52,424 I viewed my battle with cancer as an athletic competition. 38 00:02:52,631 --> 00:02:55,180 But in that, you either win or you lose. 39 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:57,852 When you lose, or if you lose, you die. 40 00:02:57,928 --> 00:03:01,432 So I took that perspective, which is a little dark, 41 00:03:01,515 --> 00:03:04,359 and I put it into everything I've done since then. 42 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:06,027 I like to win. 43 00:03:06,103 --> 00:03:07,480 But more than anything, I can't stand 44 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:08,563 the idea of losing, 45 00:03:08,647 --> 00:03:10,365 because, to me, that equals death. 46 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,114 Look at this. Armstrong accelerating once again. 47 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:14,740 And there's a gap now starting to appear 48 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:18,040 between Lance Armstrong and Marco Pantani. 49 00:03:18,115 --> 00:03:20,083 Well, I never thought I'd see the day when 50 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,123 Lance Armstrong would blow away the man 51 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,830 we've always referred to as the finest climber we've ever seen 52 00:03:24,913 --> 00:03:26,881 in the current peloton of cycling. 53 00:03:26,957 --> 00:03:29,380 But there's one matter that's stayed on Armstrong's tail, 54 00:03:29,459 --> 00:03:31,882 allegations he's used banned performance enhancers. 55 00:03:31,962 --> 00:03:34,135 Where he's found this strength from, I don't know. 56 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,637 He has torn the field apart here. 57 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:39,307 The mythic nature of his essential comeback, 58 00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:41,059 getting cancer and coming back and being 59 00:03:41,138 --> 00:03:44,563 a great athlete, is an astonishing story. 60 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:46,439 If he's clean, it's the greatest comeback. 61 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,358 If he's not, then it's the greatest fraud. 62 00:03:48,437 --> 00:03:50,565 I don't think any sports team or any athlete 63 00:03:50,814 --> 00:03:53,033 has ever come under this kind of scrutiny. 64 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,569 Oh, and Beloki's gone down! 65 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:57,199 Armstrong's off the road as well. 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,913 Armstrong, complete control there. 67 00:03:58,989 --> 00:04:01,492 He's into the field, but what a great bike rider. 68 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:03,998 He's gone across. This is unbelievable. 69 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:05,499 I've never seen this before. 70 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:07,456 Armstrong went across the field there. 71 00:04:07,539 --> 00:04:10,258 He's back on the road with four kilometers to go. 72 00:04:10,333 --> 00:04:14,679 Oh, this is incredible. Armstrong is such a star. 73 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:16,928 There are people who have really been ruined 74 00:04:17,007 --> 00:04:20,102 because of Lance's aggressive attempts to keep them quiet. 75 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:23,021 He was an immensely intimidating person. 76 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:24,973 Thing about Armstrong, he has the acceleration. 77 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:27,275 When he wants to go into a climb, he can do it. 78 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:28,943 He has now decided, "I want to go." 79 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:32,614 You can see the yellow jersey is open... What's happened now? 80 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:33,941 What has happened there? 81 00:04:34,065 --> 00:04:35,362 Can he recover? 82 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:36,443 He's come back. 83 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:37,698 Armstrong is out of the saddle again. 84 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:40,201 He's jumping onto the tail here of Iban Mayo. 85 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:41,782 This is unbelievable. 86 00:04:41,865 --> 00:04:45,244 Armstrong is now one of the world's most recognized athletes. 87 00:04:45,327 --> 00:04:48,251 To Americans, Lance Armstrong is cycling's Superman. 88 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:51,584 The bigger you are, the better target you make. 89 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:55,512 In any generation of professional sportsmen, 90 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:59,967 there will be guys who cheat and there will be guys who don't cheat. 91 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:02,599 This is a guy who was going to succeed no matter what. 92 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,768 His comeback and storybook life have put 93 00:05:05,889 --> 00:05:07,937 Lance Armstrong under a global spotlight. 94 00:05:08,016 --> 00:05:10,314 Armstrong has been less successful in 95 00:05:10,435 --> 00:05:12,688 outracing accusations of possible drug use. 96 00:05:12,771 --> 00:05:15,775 I've said it for seven years. I've said it for longer than seven years. 97 00:05:15,857 --> 00:05:17,780 I have never doped. 98 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:25,376 It's very hard to conceal the truth forever. 99 00:05:26,368 --> 00:05:30,623 So this has been my downfall. 100 00:05:41,508 --> 00:05:43,010 No, thanks. 101 00:05:44,094 --> 00:05:45,346 There you are. Come on in. 102 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:46,429 I just walk on in? 103 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:48,515 Hi. Thank you. 104 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:50,066 - Good to see you. - Ready? 105 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:51,609 Saw you get your shoes on. 106 00:05:51,726 --> 00:05:53,148 We're getting my shoes on. 107 00:05:55,605 --> 00:05:56,857 Everybody, let's do everything we need to do... 108 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:59,034 This is where I came back into the story. 109 00:05:59,109 --> 00:06:02,204 I was in Austin when Lance decided to do an interview with Oprah 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,498 to address charges of doping in the press 111 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:06,867 that had become impossible to deny. 112 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:10,921 Tonight on Nightline... Did Lance cheat? 113 00:06:10,996 --> 00:06:13,249 Lance had been the subject of a criminal investigation. 114 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:16,335 He was also probed by the US Anti-Doping Agency. 115 00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:18,512 Many ex-teammates testified against Armstrong. 116 00:06:19,713 --> 00:06:22,557 Did you see Lance Armstrong using performance-enhancing drugs? 117 00:06:22,799 --> 00:06:23,800 At times, yeah. 118 00:06:23,884 --> 00:06:25,386 There was EPO. 119 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:27,470 There was testosterone. 120 00:06:28,555 --> 00:06:31,229 And I did see a blood transfusion. 121 00:06:31,308 --> 00:06:32,685 Look, at some point, people have to 122 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:34,436 tell their kids that Santa Claus isn't real. 123 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,738 You're saying Lance Armstrong is a liar? 124 00:06:36,813 --> 00:06:38,440 Yes. 125 00:06:39,149 --> 00:06:42,028 The anti-cancer crusader was now portrayed as a cheater 126 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:46,411 who ran a doping ring and used his power as a celebrity to cover it up. 127 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:49,584 UCI will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling, 128 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:53,835 and UCI will strip him of his seven Tour de France titles. 129 00:06:54,164 --> 00:06:57,543 Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. 130 00:06:57,626 --> 00:06:59,628 We ready to go. Ready? 131 00:07:00,837 --> 00:07:02,180 So let's start with the questions 132 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:04,974 that people around the world have been waiting for you to answer. 133 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:09,021 For now I'd just like a "yes" or "no." 134 00:07:09,095 --> 00:07:11,063 Did you ever take banned substances 135 00:07:11,181 --> 00:07:13,149 to enhance your cycling performance? 136 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:14,726 Yes. 137 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:19,656 Yes or no, was one of those banned substances EPO? 138 00:07:19,731 --> 00:07:21,574 Yes. 139 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:24,995 Did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions 140 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:26,993 to enhance your cycling performance? 141 00:07:27,072 --> 00:07:29,074 Yes. 142 00:07:29,157 --> 00:07:31,626 Did you ever use any other banned substances 143 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:36,081 like testosterone, cortisone or human growth hormone? 144 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:37,791 Yes. 145 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:44,098 Yes or no, in all seven of your Tour de France victories, 146 00:07:44,172 --> 00:07:47,642 did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? 147 00:07:47,717 --> 00:07:49,719 Yes. 148 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:53,979 The first few minutes of Oprah was just riveting. 149 00:07:54,057 --> 00:07:58,528 To finally witness him saying that he doped 150 00:07:58,603 --> 00:08:01,527 after the years and years and years and years 151 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:03,859 of just the most amazing denials. 152 00:08:03,942 --> 00:08:06,320 I can emphatically say I'm not on drugs. 153 00:08:06,403 --> 00:08:09,282 Neither I nor any member of my team 154 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:10,661 did or took anything illegal. 155 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:13,493 We got nothing to hide. We know that. Everybody knows that. 156 00:08:13,576 --> 00:08:15,749 You have never taken any performance-enhancing drug? 157 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:16,830 Correct. 158 00:08:16,913 --> 00:08:18,665 And to call somebody a cheater, 159 00:08:18,748 --> 00:08:21,922 a fraud, a loser, to call them that, 160 00:08:22,002 --> 00:08:24,221 it has to be, I repeat, has to be 161 00:08:24,295 --> 00:08:27,014 followed up with extraordinary proof, 162 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:29,639 and we've never seen it. 163 00:08:29,718 --> 00:08:32,597 It's clich�. He looked me in the eyes and told me he didn't dope. 164 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,728 But when he does that, he's got a power. 165 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:37,684 It goes a long way. 166 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:40,486 Any idiot with half a brain should have 167 00:08:40,603 --> 00:08:43,322 been able to see Armstrong was lying. 168 00:08:43,398 --> 00:08:45,526 They've been testing you like crazy. 169 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:47,243 They've been following you, watching you. 170 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:49,787 Don't the results speak for themselves at a certain point? 171 00:08:50,613 --> 00:08:52,331 Hello! 172 00:08:54,242 --> 00:08:57,496 Lance Armstrong is a fraud. I don't believe a word he says. 173 00:08:57,579 --> 00:09:02,130 I want this man to suffer. And I say that with all sincerity. 174 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:07,180 I can't believe we all got duped. 175 00:09:07,255 --> 00:09:08,427 Lying jerk. 176 00:09:08,506 --> 00:09:09,849 The guy's a complete phony. 177 00:09:10,425 --> 00:09:12,098 He could've come clean. 178 00:09:12,177 --> 00:09:15,431 He owes it to the sport that he destroyed. 179 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:18,938 Was it a big deal to you? Did it feel wrong? 180 00:09:19,976 --> 00:09:22,070 At the time? No. 181 00:09:22,145 --> 00:09:23,397 It did not even feel wrong? 182 00:09:23,521 --> 00:09:24,738 No. 183 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:28,694 The prime time confession turned out to be a bumpy ride for Lance. 184 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:31,326 But it might never have happened if he hadn't 185 00:09:31,446 --> 00:09:33,949 decided to take a victory lap in 2009. 186 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:36,160 And your comeback. Do you regret now coming back? 187 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:37,414 I do. 188 00:09:37,494 --> 00:09:39,997 We wouldn't be sitting here if I didn't come back. 189 00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:50,427 The comeback. What was he thinking? 190 00:09:50,507 --> 00:09:52,350 I kept wondering about that question 191 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:54,219 throughout the year as I followed him. 192 00:09:55,637 --> 00:09:58,436 It's been a long time. Will you be ready for the Tour? 193 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:00,893 I'm comin'. I'll be there July 4th. 194 00:10:03,228 --> 00:10:05,526 A few weeks ago, when he first came up with 195 00:10:05,688 --> 00:10:07,986 the idea of a possible comeback, 196 00:10:08,066 --> 00:10:09,613 I was really surprised. 197 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,992 I remember I sent him a message back and I said, 198 00:10:13,071 --> 00:10:16,166 "Are you at a party? Are you sober?" 199 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:19,244 Johan Bruyneel, Lance's team director 200 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:21,295 for all seven of Lance's Tour wins, 201 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:23,214 was now running Team Astana. 202 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,385 He reunited with Lance to help guide his comeback. 203 00:10:29,838 --> 00:10:31,465 - We good? - Sure. 204 00:10:31,548 --> 00:10:35,143 So is there a motivator for you this time around? 205 00:10:35,218 --> 00:10:38,222 Is this in some way for you to say to all the critics... 206 00:10:38,304 --> 00:10:41,934 It's been an interesting reaction with the comeback. 207 00:10:42,016 --> 00:10:46,988 I mean, some people are curious, 208 00:10:47,063 --> 00:10:50,818 some people are pissed, and some people are ecstatic. 209 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:55,246 Few people in sport divide public opinion quite like Lance Armstrong. 210 00:10:55,321 --> 00:10:58,370 To millions, he is a source of inspiration. 211 00:10:58,449 --> 00:11:04,707 But to some, his incredible tale is just that, incredible, hard to believe. 212 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:07,876 Yet so many wanted to believe. 213 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:10,178 Wherever Lance went, he moved the needle. 214 00:11:10,253 --> 00:11:13,757 More fans, more money for sponsors and promoters. 215 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,935 Even so, the organization that ran the Tour de France 216 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:19,183 was reluctant to invite him back. 217 00:11:19,262 --> 00:11:23,017 Just 10 months before the race, the comeback was in jeopardy. 218 00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:25,978 The story is, "Refused entry into 219 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:28,438 "the Tour de France for no reason." 220 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:30,114 This guy is comin' back. 221 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:33,410 He's never been caught, prosecuted, busted for anything. 222 00:11:33,484 --> 00:11:35,234 He's coming back with the most legitimate, 223 00:11:35,235 --> 00:11:37,035 credible program that there is. 224 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:38,615 They won't let him in the marquee event. 225 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:40,328 I think the media would fuckin' crush 'em. 226 00:11:40,408 --> 00:11:42,035 If they don't let him ride... 227 00:11:42,118 --> 00:11:44,246 He's gonna take so much attention away 228 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:46,418 from the Tour de France to other events 229 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:47,714 that they have to let him in. 230 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:50,043 I think they may come out of the gate and say, 231 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:52,345 "Of course he can't race in the Tour de France." 232 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:54,172 Neither could Ivan Basso, neither could Floyd Landis. 233 00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:55,256 They all cheated. 234 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:56,341 That's not the same. 235 00:11:56,424 --> 00:11:58,301 They were all busted. 236 00:11:58,426 --> 00:12:00,303 - And they think Lance is busted. - No, he's not. 237 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:02,059 - But they think... - He's not. 238 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:03,481 They think it might be that way. 239 00:12:03,598 --> 00:12:04,895 L'Equipe said he cheated. 240 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:06,942 - He's never tested positive. - They think he has. 241 00:12:07,936 --> 00:12:09,404 He didn't. 242 00:12:09,479 --> 00:12:11,857 But L'Equipe said he did. 243 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:13,817 What was the headline? 244 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:15,652 Yes. 245 00:12:17,946 --> 00:12:20,040 "The Armstrong Lie." 246 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:23,751 Long before Oprah, "The Armstrong Lie" article 247 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:28,457 offered proof that Lance's first Tour win had not been clean. 248 00:12:28,539 --> 00:12:30,416 Through clever detective work, 249 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,127 the author discovered that many of 250 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:34,713 Armstrong's urine samples from 1999 251 00:12:34,796 --> 00:12:37,720 contained a doping drug called EPO. 252 00:12:38,716 --> 00:12:40,468 If you consider my situation, 253 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:44,556 a guy who comes back from, arguably, a death sentence, 254 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:46,979 why would I then enter into a sport 255 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,898 and dope myself up and risk my life again? 256 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:51,275 That's crazy. I would never do that. 257 00:12:51,354 --> 00:12:53,322 No. No way. 258 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,651 It was a bold claim, considering how many 259 00:12:55,775 --> 00:12:58,028 riders around him had been busted. 260 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,577 And even after Lance's seven Tour wins, 261 00:13:01,656 --> 00:13:05,286 pro cycling continued to suffer from doping scandals. 262 00:13:05,743 --> 00:13:07,336 There are a lot of us who wanted this to be 263 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:10,377 a clean sport and a clean effort 264 00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:12,174 and a clean victory and everything. 265 00:13:12,250 --> 00:13:15,629 But there's just too much swirl around it constantly. 266 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:19,098 Shortly after Armstrong retired, there was 267 00:13:19,173 --> 00:13:21,551 this huge bust called Operation Puerto, 268 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:24,729 in which most of his rivals got popped. 269 00:13:25,763 --> 00:13:27,481 If it was the NBA All-Star game, 270 00:13:27,557 --> 00:13:29,230 it would have been every player on both teams 271 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:30,977 essentially busted for doping 272 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:33,813 except that one guy who just retired. 273 00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:36,323 Throughout Lance's Tour wins, 274 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:39,869 all but one of the cyclists who finished on the podium with Armstrong 275 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:42,572 were implicated in doping scandals. 276 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,335 And finally, the last thing I'll say for 277 00:13:47,452 --> 00:13:48,999 the people that don't believe in cycling, 278 00:13:49,078 --> 00:13:52,753 the cynics and the skeptics, I'm sorry for you. 279 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:56,132 I'm sorry you can't dream big, and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. 280 00:13:56,836 --> 00:14:00,682 After winning in 2005, what better moment to walk away? 281 00:14:00,757 --> 00:14:02,805 What better moment to stay away? 282 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:05,178 Why couldn't he have just said thank you? 283 00:14:05,261 --> 00:14:07,639 "I had a nice career and now it's over. Thank you." 284 00:14:07,722 --> 00:14:09,224 But that's not in him. 285 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:11,230 And that urge to crush, that urge 286 00:14:11,351 --> 00:14:13,228 to push back, that urge to dominate, 287 00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:16,360 not just to be content with winning, but that urge to dominate, 288 00:14:16,439 --> 00:14:18,533 is what ended up bringing him down. 289 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:22,536 Lance tried to dominate my film, too. 290 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:26,958 He had lied to me, straight to my face, all throughout 2009. 291 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,619 When the truth came out, I told him 292 00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:32,080 he owed me an explanation on camera. 293 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:34,878 Whether he wanted to try to make things right 294 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:37,551 or whether he still wanted to influence my story, 295 00:14:37,627 --> 00:14:39,721 he agreed to sit down one more time. 296 00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:44,099 You vigorously defended your reputation. 297 00:14:44,175 --> 00:14:47,270 Do you feel, in retrospect, that you were 298 00:14:47,387 --> 00:14:50,436 protecting that too assiduously? 299 00:14:50,515 --> 00:14:54,395 Had the lie become too big? Did it get out of control for you? 300 00:14:54,477 --> 00:14:57,572 Yeah, that's the biggest regret of my life. 301 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:02,861 Um, I'm a fighter. I grew up a fighter. 302 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:04,992 I was a fighter on the bike. I was a fighter off the bike. 303 00:15:06,155 --> 00:15:10,410 And if you were in the race, I was competitive and I was fighting. 304 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:13,166 I forgot to turn that... 305 00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:15,965 I'd get off the bike, and whether it's in a press conference, 306 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,384 whether it's in a team setting, 307 00:15:18,501 --> 00:15:20,879 whether it's in a personal relationship, 308 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:23,090 I continued to fight. 309 00:15:23,172 --> 00:15:25,095 And I wanted to defend myself, 310 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:30,431 and I wanted to defend the sport, the team, my foundation. 311 00:15:30,513 --> 00:15:32,060 I was defending all of these things, 312 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:33,687 and I was prepared to say anything. 313 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:40,156 The gift that he has that gets overlooked is his gift as a storyteller, 314 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:43,197 his gift as a manager of his own storyline. 315 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:46,079 A guy at death's door comes back 316 00:15:46,154 --> 00:15:48,953 to win the toughest event on the planet. 317 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:50,874 The story brought more money, 318 00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:52,460 brought more attention, brought more sponsorship, 319 00:15:52,535 --> 00:15:53,661 brought more inspiration. 320 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:56,623 Lance became this international cultural icon. 321 00:15:57,915 --> 00:16:00,043 And he had to keep the story going. 322 00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:03,304 He could've ridden around the world to raise money for cancer. 323 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,507 There were a lot of things he could've done, 324 00:16:05,715 --> 00:16:07,763 but the best story is to go back to the Tour. 325 00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:10,971 By racing the bicycle all over the world, 326 00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:14,190 beginning in Australia, ending in France, 327 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:17,815 it is the best way to promote this initiative. 328 00:16:17,894 --> 00:16:20,238 It's the best way to get the word out. 329 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:23,943 He understood the power of that story, and he used it. 330 00:16:27,612 --> 00:16:31,708 The disease, testicular cancer, travels up a young man's body, 331 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:34,786 so next stop is the abdomen. 332 00:16:34,869 --> 00:16:37,338 Next stop is the lungs. 333 00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:40,508 And the last stop is the brain. 334 00:16:40,583 --> 00:16:44,133 My dumb ass just ignored symptoms, 335 00:16:44,212 --> 00:16:49,343 obvious, glaring, dirty symptoms, for a long time. 336 00:16:49,425 --> 00:16:52,679 And it traveled all the way up. 337 00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:53,763 Severe headaches. 338 00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:58,143 Blurry vision. 339 00:16:58,226 --> 00:17:00,149 Coughing up of blood. 340 00:17:01,604 --> 00:17:04,824 Extreme pain downstairs. 341 00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:07,360 I read that you had a testicle the size of an orange. 342 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:09,328 That's an exaggeration. 343 00:17:09,403 --> 00:17:11,201 Lemon? 344 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,782 Good-sized lemon. 345 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:17,045 In 1996, Lance had the cancerous testicle removed 346 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,419 and flew to Indiana University for an experimental treatment. 347 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:23,210 The doctors there thought Lance's chances 348 00:17:23,292 --> 00:17:25,715 of survival were less than 50%. 349 00:17:28,089 --> 00:17:31,093 Lance underwent brain surgery to remove cancerous lesions, 350 00:17:31,175 --> 00:17:36,181 then began a special chemotherapy program that would not scar his lungs. 351 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:38,608 The immediate side effects would be brutal, 352 00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:42,813 but if he survived, the treatment would protect his career. 353 00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:45,523 Whatever I do in cycling, or whatever I do in the Tour de France, 354 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:48,155 or whatever I do in training, I'll never suffer like I did then. 355 00:17:56,909 --> 00:18:00,664 That initial surgery to remove that primary tumor in the testicle 356 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,464 was a big surgery, a big cut. 357 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:05,168 The cut was probably six inches long, 358 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,346 right up at the waist and very physically painful. 359 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:10,594 So I got on the bike and I just 360 00:18:10,673 --> 00:18:12,846 gently rode around my neighborhood. 361 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:15,011 That was a big day for me. 362 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,938 And I went half a mile. 363 00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:20,858 And I did it in tennis shoes, and I did it on a mountain bike. 364 00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:23,686 But I was on the bike. I was pedaling the bike. 365 00:18:25,479 --> 00:18:30,201 All the feelings that are associated with that, the wind in the hair, 366 00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:36,658 that initial sense of freedom that a bicycle gives a child. 367 00:18:36,741 --> 00:18:41,963 Kids love bikes because it's the first time in their life they're free. 368 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:44,006 It's the first time when they're not in their mom's car, 369 00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:46,334 they're not in Mom's living room, they're not in Mom's backyard. 370 00:18:46,417 --> 00:18:47,634 They get on the bike, they go down, 371 00:18:47,752 --> 00:18:48,969 they take a right, take a left. 372 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:51,639 Nobody sees them. They're completely free. 373 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:55,597 # I'm a mean machine 374 00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:58,020 # I'm the kind you don't wanna meet 375 00:18:58,095 --> 00:18:59,768 # My middle name is trouble 376 00:18:59,847 --> 00:19:01,144 # I'm a danger in the street # 377 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:03,521 Lance Armstrong grew up in Plano, Texas, 378 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:06,821 raised by a young mother who worked as a receptionist. 379 00:19:07,021 --> 00:19:09,069 He never met his father. 380 00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:15,329 He comes out of Plano, Texas, and he comes out angry. 381 00:19:15,404 --> 00:19:18,283 He comes out ready to take on the world with 382 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:21,251 his mom at his side and needing no one else. 383 00:19:21,369 --> 00:19:25,169 My mom, she doesn't really have that much money, so... 384 00:19:25,247 --> 00:19:27,170 I could probably get money from somebody, 385 00:19:27,249 --> 00:19:28,967 but I don't wanna borrow money, 386 00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:30,837 so there's pressure to make the money. 387 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,718 You can see in the yellow helmet there 388 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:35,346 the youngest professional in the field from Plano, Texas, 389 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:37,426 16-year-old Lance Armstrong. 390 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,228 I just like competing with the best, man. 391 00:19:39,303 --> 00:19:41,431 I like beating those guys. I love beating people. 392 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:43,850 # Comin' at you live 393 00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:45,901 # Comin' atcha live 394 00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:47,899 # Comin' at you live 395 00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:50,026 # Comin' atcha live 396 00:19:50,106 --> 00:19:52,609 # Comin' at you live 397 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:53,901 # Oh, here I come # 398 00:19:57,947 --> 00:19:59,949 He got into a fight with one of his coaches early on, 399 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,668 and the thing he kept saying is, "You're not my dad." 400 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:04,545 And I think that statement 401 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,043 has been something he's been telling everybody since then. 402 00:20:07,123 --> 00:20:10,218 Kids from Plano High School, "Hey, you're not in charge of me." 403 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:11,418 European cyclists, 404 00:20:11,502 --> 00:20:13,300 "Hey, I'm going to take you all on, 405 00:20:13,421 --> 00:20:15,219 "and I'm going to show you who's boss." 406 00:20:16,966 --> 00:20:18,138 Oh my, oh no, no! 407 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,140 It's Armstrong who's losing the temper. 408 00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:22,475 I was content with my career. 409 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:25,775 In '93, '94, '95, I was a young kid. 410 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:28,148 One of the best one-day racers in the world. 411 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:29,444 I made plenty of money. 412 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,195 I thought, "This is cool. I'm young. I make some decent money here. 413 00:20:33,274 --> 00:20:35,026 "I'll just do this for a few years 414 00:20:35,151 --> 00:20:36,949 "and then find something else to do." 415 00:20:37,027 --> 00:20:41,373 Then the disease came along, took all of that away. 416 00:20:41,449 --> 00:20:43,668 Just gone. 417 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:45,791 And when I came back, I thought, 418 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:47,872 "Nobody thinks I'm gonna do anything. 419 00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:49,999 "I'm just washed-up, damaged goods here." 420 00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:54,087 Which is really what the view of the sport was. 421 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:58,425 I thought, "Okay, fuck it. I'm gonna try to win the Tour de France." 422 00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:07,316 He's got the fastest time in half distance. 423 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:08,859 SPORTSCASTER 2: He really is flying, Paul, 424 00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:12,859 and he looks so good here, making his big return to the Tour de France. 425 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:18,364 He's been scorching it on all the time checks. 426 00:21:18,444 --> 00:21:21,448 What a comeback this could be. There's only two men behind him now. 427 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:24,750 Armstrong is the leader. That is astonishing. 428 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:32,792 Beautiful. 429 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:35,962 Good job, Lance. 430 00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:38,798 Hold on a second. There we go. Say hi to the camera. 431 00:21:38,881 --> 00:21:41,054 This is Johan Bruyneel, directeur sportif. 432 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:42,635 Hi, camera. 433 00:21:42,718 --> 00:21:46,097 Here we are with the rock star, George Hincapie. 434 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,399 This is how he prepares for a time trial. 435 00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:49,726 What's up, Lance? 436 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:51,106 After his bout with cancer, 437 00:21:51,185 --> 00:21:56,658 Lance returned to the Tour in 1999, racing for US Postal Service. 438 00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:01,496 Lance, Jon Vaughters, Frankie Andreu. 439 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:03,618 We were just like The Bad News Bears. 440 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,833 Nobody was really expecting us to do well. 441 00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:07,501 They were so young. 442 00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:12,457 They had a lot of optimism and this youthful carelessness. 443 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:14,838 I hate the French. 444 00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:16,510 Screw the French. 445 00:22:16,585 --> 00:22:19,134 And they were gonna go over there 446 00:22:19,213 --> 00:22:23,059 and just dominate the Tour and change the way cycling is run. 447 00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:26,728 Postal, this tiny team from an unlikely place. 448 00:22:26,804 --> 00:22:28,306 They didn't have a team bus. 449 00:22:28,389 --> 00:22:30,232 They were so small they just had two campers. 450 00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:32,309 Like a family going on vacation. 451 00:22:32,393 --> 00:22:34,737 Betsy, Frankie, smile. 452 00:22:34,812 --> 00:22:36,029 Say cheese. 453 00:22:36,105 --> 00:22:40,861 The innocence of '99, it's a fantastic moment in the story. 454 00:22:40,943 --> 00:22:42,195 Howdy. 455 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:46,332 It really started with this spectacular prologue 456 00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:48,660 that Armstrong won by a handful of seconds. 457 00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:50,619 And there it is, the maillot jaune 458 00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:52,709 for an American, Lance Armstrong. 459 00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:54,711 He put on the yellow jersey. 460 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:59,261 And he's clueless about what to say or what to feel or who to hug. 461 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:04,259 I mean, right now I'm so surprised. 462 00:23:04,341 --> 00:23:09,518 But yet I'm so pleased and so happy for the team and for... 463 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:12,191 It's the moment where Lance crossed a boundary. 464 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:17,363 And this man, Lance Armstrong, from Texas, now has destroyed the field. 465 00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:19,315 That full confidence that he had before 466 00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:21,404 he had cancer when he was a little punk kid, 467 00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:24,111 you can see that building in him as the Tour was going on. 468 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:26,242 This man is quite unbelievable. 469 00:23:26,322 --> 00:23:27,949 Towards the mountain stages, when everybody was like, 470 00:23:28,032 --> 00:23:30,251 "Okay, this is when he's gonna lose his jersey." 471 00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:32,249 That really helped fuel him and fuel the team 472 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:35,798 and pushed us to limits that we thought we weren't capable of doing. 473 00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:37,841 And the boys who have guided Lance Armstrong, 474 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,261 they're in that yellow jersey for two full weeks now. 475 00:23:40,336 --> 00:23:42,805 It was an American team bringing an American captain 476 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,975 to the Tour de France and finishing potentially on the podium. 477 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:47,677 That was unprecedented. 478 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:50,145 And there's no doubt now who will win the Tour de France. 479 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:52,598 We hoped maybe to get a podium or top 10. 480 00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:55,685 So to win was beyond our comprehension. 481 00:23:57,144 --> 00:24:00,193 The power of the story was growing every day. 482 00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:03,526 But so were the suspicions among seasoned observers 483 00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:06,453 that it may have been too good to be true. 484 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:10,374 In 1999, the Tour de France organizers 485 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:13,957 were desperate for what they called a "Tour of Renewal," 486 00:24:14,036 --> 00:24:17,586 where they could renew the public's faith in their race. 487 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,213 You've gotta go back to 1998 488 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:22,294 when Lance was just about coming back 489 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:24,421 into racing after his cancer recovery. 490 00:24:24,505 --> 00:24:26,724 We had this extraordinary Tour de France 491 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,473 where the world number one team at the time, Festina, 492 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:31,804 had their masseur traveling to the race. 493 00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:34,140 And he was stopped by French customs 494 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:36,517 and they found a huge cargo of drugs inside. 495 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,399 The police then came and investigated other teams, 496 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,402 and pretty much wherever they looked, they found drugs. 497 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,108 So that was 1998. 498 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,740 A year later, Lance Armstrong comes back. 499 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,163 He was sensational. 500 00:24:49,238 --> 00:24:52,037 And everybody who was at that race, in terms of the journalists, 501 00:24:52,116 --> 00:24:55,871 when Lance made his big attack in the mountains to Sestriere, 502 00:24:55,953 --> 00:24:59,082 I was in the press room that day, I saw the reaction. 503 00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:02,543 People were laughing, incredulous. They didn't believe this. 504 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:04,970 Because here we had a guy who'd come back from cancer, 505 00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:08,970 supposedly riding the race clean, riding more effortlessly, 506 00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:11,393 with greater power at a greater speed 507 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,854 than all the Tours that had gone before. 508 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:15,931 So it just didn't make sense. 509 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:19,227 We have to remember, this is a guy who is not thought of 510 00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:21,903 as somebody who could potentially win the Tour de France. 511 00:25:21,979 --> 00:25:24,198 He had always been strong in short races, 512 00:25:24,273 --> 00:25:26,571 but never over the long haul and he had never been a climber. 513 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:30,200 Whenever you start the Tour, they make you fill out these forms. 514 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,123 "How many Tours have you done? How many have you completed?" 515 00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:39,126 And I remember in '99, I had to write down four and one. 516 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,298 Thinking, "That's not a great record." 517 00:25:42,583 --> 00:25:45,883 Lance Armstrong winning, at one level, created a problem 518 00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:48,680 because the organizers had actually said before the race, 519 00:25:48,756 --> 00:25:50,633 "We want this race to be slower 520 00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:52,684 "than the drug races of previous years 521 00:25:52,843 --> 00:25:56,814 "to prove to the public that these guys are now using less drugs." 522 00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:59,108 But it was the fastest ever Tour. 523 00:25:59,183 --> 00:26:01,231 But on the other hand, they had this winner 524 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:03,483 who was the most romantic figure 525 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,739 that sport maybe had ever known. 526 00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:10,160 A cancer survivor, overcoming the disease, comes back and wins the Tour. 527 00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:12,203 Yeah, they liked that. 528 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,123 With Lance Armstrong winning the Tour de France, 529 00:26:15,199 --> 00:26:18,669 that opened up this huge market in the US. 530 00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:23,375 Oakley and Nike and Trek and Bristol-Myers Squibb. 531 00:26:23,457 --> 00:26:24,458 You name it. 532 00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:27,795 There was a long list of companies that were just getting in line 533 00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:29,471 to sign deals with Lance Armstrong 534 00:26:29,546 --> 00:26:31,344 because they knew who Lance was, 535 00:26:31,465 --> 00:26:33,263 as a cancer survivor and as a person, 536 00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:36,767 and an advocate for the cancer-surviving community. 537 00:26:37,888 --> 00:26:40,186 When he first won in '99, that was 538 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:42,602 the last time he was just a bike racer. 539 00:26:42,684 --> 00:26:46,154 And after that, he became a celebrity. 540 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:50,485 That celebrity is what gave him such immense power. 541 00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:53,491 This is not a story about doping. It's a story about power. 542 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:56,619 And Lance got the power in '99 and the story 543 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,789 became hanging onto that power. 544 00:26:59,868 --> 00:27:03,338 Even in 1999, Lance came close to getting caught 545 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:05,791 when steroids showed up in a urine test. 546 00:27:05,874 --> 00:27:09,048 It turns out I was using some cream 547 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:11,722 for what we call a saddle sore. 548 00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:15,141 It was something that we all use. 549 00:27:15,217 --> 00:27:18,391 Cortisone cream that you use for a crash 550 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:21,686 or for a boil or any sort of skin infection. 551 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:26,858 The traces were so small. They were ridiculous. 552 00:27:26,937 --> 00:27:31,067 It was always on my heels right away from '99. 553 00:27:33,235 --> 00:27:35,408 Of course, there were plenty of 554 00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:37,744 supporters and cheerleaders in the press. 555 00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:40,042 Lance Armstrong forced once again to defend himself there, 556 00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:42,415 which is becoming a depressingly familiar sight on this Tour. 557 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:44,713 But tonight, he has some very high-level help 558 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:47,416 because the UCI, the world-governing body of cycling, 559 00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:49,092 have just released this press communique. 560 00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:52,255 It goes against all their commitment to medical secrecy, they say, 561 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,715 but they want to do it to clarify this situation 562 00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:56,766 and stop it getting further out of hand. 563 00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,435 They confirm that the rider used an 564 00:27:58,552 --> 00:28:00,054 ointment and they give the brand name, 565 00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:04,313 and that he also offered them a medical prescription before his test. 566 00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:08,278 It showed up in the test, and Verbruggen just said, 567 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,694 "Look, you gotta give us a reason for this being in your system." 568 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,368 So the guys scoured the Internet, 569 00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:18,364 looking for this particular type of cortisone, 570 00:28:18,447 --> 00:28:21,951 and we found one that was, indeed, a cream. 571 00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:25,296 And we said it was for saddle sores. 572 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:26,587 When you say Verbruggen came to you, 573 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,877 do you mean he came to you like, 574 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:30,254 "Give us some excuse so that we don't have to make an issue of this"? 575 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:33,838 He didn't come to me. He went to Johan. 576 00:28:33,921 --> 00:28:35,889 Johan told me that he did speak 577 00:28:35,964 --> 00:28:38,262 to Verbruggen about Lance's positive test. 578 00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:40,803 Verbruggen, the head of the UCI, 579 00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:43,810 denies that the conversation ever took place. 580 00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:48,269 I've proven my class. I've showed my class from day one. 581 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,028 There's no secrets here. 582 00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:53,073 We have the oldest secret in the book, hard work. 583 00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:58,570 The ninth day of the Tour de France world-famous bike race 584 00:28:58,654 --> 00:29:00,702 brings the greatest challenge yet, 585 00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:02,916 the lofty hills of the Maritime Alps. 586 00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:06,621 This is the acid test of stamina and endurance. 587 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,793 The Tour de France has always been a brutal event. 588 00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:15,922 For a few dollars from sponsors looking for human billboards, 589 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:19,304 working-class riders are willing to suffer. 590 00:29:19,383 --> 00:29:21,135 An ascent in the mountains can mean 591 00:29:21,218 --> 00:29:24,939 climbing steep grades for more than 20 miles. 592 00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:28,187 Lifting a man and his bicycle up the rising road 593 00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:30,645 demands a furious release of energy 594 00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:32,855 that is higher than any other animal on earth, 595 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:35,074 except a hummingbird. 596 00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:38,948 That inhuman suffering carves the body in unnatural ways 597 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,029 and leaves riders to search for doping methods 598 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:44,366 that can dull pain and push human limits. 599 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,793 There's always been a form of doping 600 00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:48,457 in any form of endurance sport. 601 00:29:48,537 --> 00:29:51,507 And in the Tour de France, originally it was alcohol. 602 00:29:51,581 --> 00:29:53,379 You'd be passed a bottle of beer up by a monk 603 00:29:53,542 --> 00:29:55,294 on a mountaintop and you'd drink it. 604 00:29:56,545 --> 00:29:59,424 They enter a cafe, shoving everyone aside. 605 00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:02,930 And take anything: red wine, champagne, beer. 606 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,220 Even water, if there's nothing better. 607 00:30:05,429 --> 00:30:09,650 Then, of course, the clever doctors would come on board saying to athletes, 608 00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:11,648 "We can prepare you properly for the Tour. 609 00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:15,864 "We'll not just give you dope, but we'll tell you the correct diet, how to train, 610 00:30:15,939 --> 00:30:19,660 "and then the coup de grace is to give you the needle of EPO, 611 00:30:19,735 --> 00:30:21,988 "and you're gonna be 10% better than your rival." 612 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,242 That is enormous. 613 00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:25,700 And that became apparent in the 1990s, 614 00:30:25,782 --> 00:30:27,455 firstly, with the Italians. 615 00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:32,752 This ancient-walled city in northern Italy 616 00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:35,212 became a center for a group of doctors 617 00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:38,296 determined to find a way to boost cycling performance. 618 00:30:39,588 --> 00:30:44,435 The most notorious of these was Lance Armstrong's trainer Michele Ferrari. 619 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,604 He was a doctor that gave a training program, a full medical program, 620 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:50,808 and would boost your career and make you into 621 00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:53,606 the king of the road. 622 00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,522 He had a very bad reputation 623 00:30:56,605 --> 00:31:00,985 as being a doctor that could set people up with a doping program. 624 00:31:02,069 --> 00:31:05,369 If you took all the rumors 625 00:31:05,447 --> 00:31:11,295 and the smoke and the stories of the dark side of cycling 626 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:16,251 and condensed them into one human being, that would be Michele Ferrari. 627 00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:24,767 But he turns out to be a very delightful, communicative, expressive scientist. 628 00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:26,593 That's the bit that gets lost a little bit. 629 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:29,771 I think he comes across as sort of a cloak-and-dagger enabler, 630 00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:32,099 when in fact, his whole story, 631 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:34,397 his core interest, the way he educated himself, 632 00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:36,478 is essentially scientific. 633 00:31:37,479 --> 00:31:39,481 Michele Ferrari was obsessed with pushing 634 00:31:39,648 --> 00:31:41,525 the limits of human athletic performance. 635 00:31:42,484 --> 00:31:45,909 If cyclists saw themselves as biological racing machines, 636 00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:49,161 Ferrari was one of the world's greatest mechanics. 637 00:31:50,659 --> 00:31:55,460 This is one of the first relationship with Lance. 638 00:31:55,539 --> 00:32:00,887 Probably he was already with cancer, but nobody knew. 639 00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:03,555 Surprisingly, in 2009, Lance and his team 640 00:32:03,672 --> 00:32:06,266 gave me permission to talk to Ferrari, 641 00:32:06,341 --> 00:32:09,094 a man who rarely gave interviews to outsiders. 642 00:32:09,719 --> 00:32:13,690 So in '95, you saw Lance and you thought he has enormous potential. 643 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,813 He was able to develop a lot of power, 644 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,028 absolute power, a lot of watts. 645 00:32:18,812 --> 00:32:20,985 His potential was impressive. 646 00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:27,705 His engine, you can say his heart, lungs, is big, is huge. 647 00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:31,867 After Lance survived cancer, Ferrari found 648 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:34,377 a way to turn his weakness into strength. 649 00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:38,003 He was definitely lighter. 650 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:43,463 He lose a lot of muscles in the whole body, upper and also in the legs. 651 00:32:43,545 --> 00:32:47,550 He lose a lot of power in terms of strength. 652 00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:49,634 To make up for the loss of strength, 653 00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:53,143 Ferrari had Lance shift to a lower gear and pedal faster. 654 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:56,851 So he essentially was shifting the load from the muscles 655 00:32:56,933 --> 00:33:00,107 to the heart and the lungs and the blood. 656 00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:07,070 And if you can have the aerobic engine to sustain a higher cadence, 657 00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:09,280 you can go farther, faster, longer. 658 00:33:10,113 --> 00:33:12,912 Ferrari also included a secret ingredient, 659 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,585 drugs to boost oxygen in the blood that had 660 00:33:15,744 --> 00:33:18,338 a special impact with the new cadence. 661 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:20,666 This unbelievable cadence that he's adopted 662 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:23,043 since he survived testicular cancer 663 00:33:23,126 --> 00:33:24,594 is what has allowed him to become 664 00:33:24,753 --> 00:33:26,255 one of the best climbers in the world. 665 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:29,516 Utilizing a higher cadence... 666 00:33:29,591 --> 00:33:32,219 At the beginning, we had to do this choice. 667 00:33:32,469 --> 00:33:37,566 And then, because this choice paid in term of results, we continued. 668 00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:42,487 Ferrari's remarkably unromantic. 669 00:33:42,562 --> 00:33:44,610 I remember one particular conversation. 670 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,733 We had just finished a training ride. 671 00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:51,162 And I said, "Am I watching the limits of human potential here? 672 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:52,364 "Is that what I'm seeing?" 673 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,370 And Ferrari almost laughed. 674 00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,123 He said, "We're nowhere near the limit. 675 00:33:57,244 --> 00:33:59,793 "No, there are ways to push the limits." 676 00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:04,259 Amongst the 200 guys doing the Tour de France at that point, 677 00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:08,180 they're like, "You're working with Ferrari. Okay. Respect." 678 00:34:08,255 --> 00:34:10,007 He knew that everybody was doping. 679 00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:14,095 He was like, "Look, you can't do this stuff on your own. 680 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:17,681 "You guys aren't doctors. You have no idea what all this stuff is. 681 00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:19,311 "So here's what I'm gonna do. 682 00:34:19,391 --> 00:34:23,146 "You can still dope a little bit. I'll tell you what to do. 683 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:27,111 "The minimum amount of doping, the maximum amount of training. 684 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,113 "Nutrition. Lifestyle. 685 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:30,694 "Everything that goes into making you 686 00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:32,620 "a good cyclist, I will help you with." 687 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,119 And doping was just a small piece of that. 688 00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:39,085 Ferrari was careful about doping for another reason. 689 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,413 He wanted to avoid detection. 690 00:34:41,496 --> 00:34:44,090 He had sources inside anti-doping labs 691 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:46,801 who kept him updated on the latest tests. 692 00:34:46,876 --> 00:34:50,597 And Ferrari's whole program was cloaked in secrecy. 693 00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:56,682 In March 1999, Lance said, 694 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,731 "I gotta go see Michele. I have to do some testing." 695 00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:03,276 We met Michele Ferrari, Lance's doctor, 696 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,113 who traveled in a camper van, 697 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:10,567 in the parking lot outside of Milano 698 00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:14,071 off the highway by a hotel gas station. 699 00:35:15,238 --> 00:35:19,414 I don't know about you, but I don't see my doctor that way. 700 00:35:19,618 --> 00:35:21,837 It's best that you use the most knowledgeable people, 701 00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:26,087 regardless of their reputation. 702 00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:28,635 It's a great mind in cycling 703 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:31,133 and somebody that I consider and my team considers 704 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:34,466 to be an honest man and a fair man. 705 00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:39,642 The guy was a liar and a cheat. 706 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,349 Not only did he dope, but he doped 707 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,068 with the best expertise available. 708 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,066 Dr. Ferrari provides that. 709 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:50,490 And he doped in the most professional, efficient way, 710 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,068 perhaps in the history of sport. 711 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,370 What kind of message do you think that your 712 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,660 working relationship with Michele Ferrari 713 00:35:57,739 --> 00:36:00,538 sends out to the general sporting public? 714 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:04,412 Well, David, I'm glad you showed up, finally. 715 00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:06,581 It's good to see you finally here. 716 00:36:10,043 --> 00:36:11,841 Good question. 717 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,265 Again, I think that people are not stupid. 718 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:17,092 People will look at the facts. 719 00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,348 They will say, "Okay, here's Lance Armstrong. 720 00:36:19,427 --> 00:36:21,725 "Here's the relationship. 721 00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:23,557 "Is that questionable?" 722 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,484 Perhaps. But people are smart. 723 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,780 Do they say, "Has Lance Armstrong ever tested positive?" No. 724 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,483 "Has Lance Armstrong been tested?" A lot. 725 00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,696 Is it fairly easy to prepare for a test? 726 00:36:36,778 --> 00:36:39,748 Does it dissipate in your system really quickly? 727 00:36:39,823 --> 00:36:42,827 The half-life of EPO is four hours. 728 00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:47,130 So, you can back it out from there 729 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,799 and figure out when you're in trouble. 730 00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:54,429 "Will he pass every test because he does not take EPO?" 731 00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:56,006 Yes, he will. 732 00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:58,842 My defense was that I've passed every control you've given me. 733 00:36:58,925 --> 00:36:59,972 And that's true. 734 00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:02,554 The samples that were given were clean. 735 00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:04,139 But you never, ever stopped there. 736 00:37:04,305 --> 00:37:05,773 You always went one step further. 737 00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:09,479 No, Alex. I can't... I would have gone... 738 00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:12,985 If David Walsh wanted to put on boxing gloves, 739 00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:14,816 I would have done it right there. Let's go. 740 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:18,904 You present yourself as the cleanest of clean riders... 741 00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:23,208 And I have the proof, which you refuse to believe. 742 00:37:23,283 --> 00:37:24,910 Just let me finish the question. 743 00:37:24,993 --> 00:37:27,542 You present yourself as the cleanest of clean riders, 744 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:30,339 and yet you associate with somebody 745 00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:33,176 whose reputation is incredibly tarnished. 746 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,596 And that person is going to go on trial in two months' time. 747 00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:39,675 Would you not think that it would be in the interest of cycling 748 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:42,557 for you to suspend your relationship with Michele Ferrari 749 00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:47,482 until he has answered the charges of which he's accused? 750 00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:49,605 You have a point. It's my choice. 751 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:51,982 I view him as innocent. He's a clean man, in my opinion. 752 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:53,779 Let there be a trial. 753 00:37:54,564 --> 00:37:56,111 There was a trial. 754 00:37:56,191 --> 00:38:00,071 The star witness was an Italian cyclist, Filippo Simeoni. 755 00:38:01,863 --> 00:38:05,117 He told me very clearly that to prepare for a big race 756 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,998 I needed to take certain substances. 757 00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:08,168 In particular, EPO. 758 00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:11,297 I had some journals confiscated 759 00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:17,512 where I meticulously documented my interactions with Ferrari 760 00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:20,966 In October 2004, the Italian court 761 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:23,593 convicted Dr. Ferrari of sporting fraud, 762 00:38:23,676 --> 00:38:27,476 forcing Armstrong to publicly end their relationship. 763 00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:31,856 However, Ferrari's conviction would be overturned two years later. 764 00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:34,188 At the end, I was absolved. 765 00:38:35,396 --> 00:38:40,323 Probably, we need a movie to explain the whole story with Simeoni. 766 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,081 But in relationship with EPO, okay. 767 00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:56,969 Generational riders utilize that drug in competition. 768 00:38:57,043 --> 00:39:01,423 That's historic true. 769 00:39:02,215 --> 00:39:06,641 EPO, or synthetic EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells 770 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,142 which transmit oxygen to the muscles. 771 00:39:09,222 --> 00:39:11,224 Originally developed to treat anemia, 772 00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:13,605 cyclists began using it in the 1990s 773 00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,021 to boost performance and recovery. 774 00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,276 It doesn't make your muscles stronger, 775 00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:18,564 it doesn't give you more energy. 776 00:39:18,648 --> 00:39:19,820 There's nothing you feel. 777 00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:23,699 It's just simply that it allows your body 778 00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:27,499 to deliver more oxygen from your lungs to your muscles. 779 00:39:27,574 --> 00:39:31,624 So, that burning sensation, that fatigue where you can't go any further, 780 00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:33,751 it just happens later. 781 00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:38,130 It began in the late '80s and into the early '90s, 782 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:41,383 and our frustration really came to a head in 1995. 783 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:46,559 But leading up to that, specifically 1994, I was the world champion. 784 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,057 I was wearing the world champion's jersey, the rainbow-striped jersey, 785 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:50,559 and competing clean. 786 00:39:50,638 --> 00:39:53,232 We were just getting annihilated. 787 00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,902 Go on, Lance. Give us the tour. 788 00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:59,064 Holy cow. 789 00:39:59,147 --> 00:40:01,696 There was a group of us primarily living in Italy, 790 00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:05,654 and we just said, "We either have to play ball here or go home." 791 00:40:06,613 --> 00:40:08,286 Were you pissed off that you had to do it? 792 00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:10,662 Or was it just you had to do what you had to do 793 00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:13,123 in order to be able to compete? 794 00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:14,624 The latter. 795 00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:22,512 Maybe I'd approach the decision differently today, 796 00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:24,931 but at the time, I didn't lose sleep over it. 797 00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:30,971 One time, I went into Lance's room to borrow his laptop, 798 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:33,307 and he's brushing his teeth in his boxer shorts, 799 00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:37,360 and he decides to give himself a shot of EPO right in front of me. 800 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,779 That was an attempt by him of just saying, 801 00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:42,240 "Listen, buddy, you've stepped over the line. 802 00:40:42,315 --> 00:40:44,443 "You're in the club. There's no going back." 803 00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:46,527 Where is everybody? 804 00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:50,157 His perspective was, "Listen, this doping's 805 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,458 "been in place for 100 years in this sport. 806 00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:55,749 "And I came into the system, and the system was already in place, 807 00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:58,923 "and I just have to 'play by the rules."' 808 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,545 You weren't trying to beat the system. 809 00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:02,044 You were trying to be in the system. 810 00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:04,175 Nobody made me dope. 811 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:07,883 I just knew that I had to dope to do the sport that I love to do. 812 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:10,310 I was a good bike racer, and then all of a sudden, 813 00:41:10,385 --> 00:41:13,309 guys who can only sprint were getting over big climbs in front of me 814 00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:16,232 and doing things that they never could do before. 815 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,151 And I was getting dropped and struggling, and so... 816 00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:23,694 I lived with that for a while, but after a while, I cracked. 817 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:25,946 And so I ended up taking EPO also. 818 00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:31,031 And admitting to it doesn't make it justifiable or any better. 819 00:41:31,114 --> 00:41:33,617 But it was something that was pretty prevalent at the time. 820 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:39,207 Now, in '99, when you were on Lance's team, was there a team program? 821 00:41:41,958 --> 00:41:44,461 I'm not gonna go into all that. 822 00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:50,975 VAUGHTERS: Going into '99, there were massive risks regarding doping. 823 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:53,303 I was really scared. 824 00:41:53,386 --> 00:41:56,014 You could go to jail for having this stuff. 825 00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:59,021 The big fear was basically getting caught holding. 826 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:02,855 The Festina affair was not an entire team testing positive. 827 00:42:02,937 --> 00:42:04,905 The Festina affair was a soigneur crossing 828 00:42:04,981 --> 00:42:06,983 a border and a customs agent going, 829 00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:09,152 "Hang on a second." 830 00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:14,203 1999 was the year they cracked the code. 831 00:42:14,282 --> 00:42:16,876 It was the year they figured out how to win the race. 832 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:20,797 They hit on a plan, and it was really Lance who hit on a plan. 833 00:42:20,872 --> 00:42:22,920 They would hire a guy. 834 00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:25,468 He was Lance's gardener. He was also a mechanic. 835 00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:31,512 They called him Motoman. He had a fast red motorcycle. 836 00:42:31,591 --> 00:42:33,719 He was fearless. 837 00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,224 Motoman basically did the Tour de France on a motorcycle, 838 00:42:36,304 --> 00:42:39,148 and he would meet up with a staff member 839 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:42,022 and just do a subtle handoff at some restaurant. 840 00:42:42,101 --> 00:42:45,480 And then, next thing you know, I was back at the hotel 841 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:49,071 and the doctor would administer it. 842 00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:51,744 A lot of people who watch our programs 843 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,368 have heard of your illness and see you winning now 844 00:42:54,447 --> 00:42:56,745 and think it's nothing short of a miracle. 845 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,576 Do you see it that way? 846 00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:00,661 Um... 847 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,339 It is a miracle. 848 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:07,586 At that time, he had recently taken delivery of EPO from Motoman. 849 00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:10,467 He was involved in all manner of doping. 850 00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:14,221 If they were doing this drug, why didn't they get caught? 851 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,348 Well, there was no test for EPO at the time. 852 00:43:16,469 --> 00:43:18,597 Those early years, people, they always say to me, 853 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,522 "Why didn't they do more? Why didn't they do more?" 854 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:24,694 They could not do any more. You couldn't find it. 855 00:43:26,187 --> 00:43:28,815 In 2000, they developed a test for EPO. 856 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,492 So the smart guys, Ferrari being one of them, 857 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:34,158 went back to an older technology, 858 00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:38,834 which was you take out bags of blood before the race. 859 00:43:38,908 --> 00:43:41,787 During the race, you put them back in. 860 00:43:41,869 --> 00:43:44,918 During the race, the body, in need of oxygen, 861 00:43:44,997 --> 00:43:46,874 is thirsty for red blood cells. 862 00:43:46,958 --> 00:43:49,802 A transfusion boosts the number of red blood cells. 863 00:43:49,877 --> 00:43:54,178 And unlike EPO, transfusions are almost impossible to detect. 864 00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:55,600 They're still against the rules, 865 00:43:55,675 --> 00:43:59,896 but hard to stop unless inspectors can find the blood bags. 866 00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:03,391 My initial reaction to this was how gross it was. 867 00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:09,027 That you want to win this race so bad 868 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:12,234 that you would take your blood in a bag, 869 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:17,948 put it in a cooler with ice and beer and other stuff, 870 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:20,249 and then eventually put it back in? 871 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:24,913 On the other hand, it's like, "Look, 872 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,332 "if this is what they thought it took to win, 873 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,715 "and that they also thought that everybody else was doing it..." 874 00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:32,340 Is that an argument you buy? 875 00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:33,512 No, I don't buy it. 876 00:44:33,588 --> 00:44:37,013 But I think that when you're talking about this stuff, 877 00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:40,937 there is definitely a moral relativism to the whole thing. 878 00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,561 2000. It was a time when they were 879 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,733 trying to implement the test. 880 00:44:45,808 --> 00:44:49,938 They didn't know exactly what was positive, what was negative. 881 00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:51,443 The science wasn't ready yet. 882 00:44:51,522 --> 00:44:54,867 My suspicion is that everybody used it at the Tour. 883 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:57,866 Michele came to me and said, 884 00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,039 "You shouldn't use EPO at the Tour. 885 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:04,494 "I don't feel good about that. I think they're close to getting the test right." 886 00:45:04,577 --> 00:45:06,454 He knew when the test was gonna be ready. 887 00:45:06,621 --> 00:45:08,840 He said, "It's not worth the risk. 888 00:45:08,956 --> 00:45:11,209 "Let's just do one transfusion." 889 00:45:11,292 --> 00:45:12,714 We all agreed, and so we did one 890 00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:14,795 transfusion in the middle of the Tour. 891 00:45:15,504 --> 00:45:18,474 But a lot of the Tour was won before... 892 00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:23,555 The Tour was won on Hautacam in 2000 when I won by four minutes. 893 00:45:23,638 --> 00:45:25,640 That was pre-transfusion. 894 00:45:30,436 --> 00:45:32,939 But he made that call. 895 00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:36,116 And we all questioned that call. 896 00:45:36,192 --> 00:45:37,910 Because you thought it wasn't gonna be enough. 897 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:39,828 I thought that was not gonna be enough. 898 00:45:43,449 --> 00:45:46,248 Each year, the bar got nudged a little higher. 899 00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:48,421 The innovation demands grew. 900 00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:52,091 You had to keep up with the Joneses or fall behind. 901 00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:54,589 It became this game of hide-and-seek. 902 00:45:54,669 --> 00:45:57,263 And the best place to hide sometimes is plain sight. 903 00:45:57,338 --> 00:45:59,306 And that's what they chose to do in 2004. 904 00:46:00,341 --> 00:46:02,218 They faked a mechanical breakdown, 905 00:46:02,343 --> 00:46:04,266 pulled the bus over to the side of the road 906 00:46:04,345 --> 00:46:07,098 and administered blood bags to the entire team. 907 00:46:07,181 --> 00:46:10,401 In front of everybody. In front of the police, in front of the fans. 908 00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:14,405 It struck me as odd, but it made sense. 909 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,482 We were gonna do it eventually. 910 00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:20,615 So might as well knock it out on the bus before we got to the hotel 911 00:46:20,695 --> 00:46:22,197 and be done with it. 912 00:46:23,823 --> 00:46:26,918 When everyone cheats, then it becomes hugely distorted. 913 00:46:26,993 --> 00:46:28,666 It becomes a different contest, 914 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,413 a contest of who's got the best doctor, 915 00:46:30,496 --> 00:46:34,967 who's got the most money, who's got the biggest risk tolerance. 916 00:46:35,042 --> 00:46:38,467 And the guy who was that guy for this era was Lance. 917 00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,181 That's where it becomes a game of power. 918 00:46:41,257 --> 00:46:44,682 When you can say, "I'm signing up Ferrari to be my exclusive doctor." 919 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,559 When you can say, "I'm gonna use a private jet 920 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,399 "to travel around to evade detection." 921 00:46:53,394 --> 00:46:56,022 Life, for me, at the time, was moving fast. 922 00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,487 Look at 2005. 923 00:46:58,566 --> 00:47:00,819 I had won seven Tours in a row. 924 00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:03,324 I was engaged to a beautiful rock star. 925 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,991 But that all just felt normal to me. 926 00:47:08,868 --> 00:47:12,668 I certainly was very confident that I would never be caught. 927 00:47:17,418 --> 00:47:20,092 Armstrong rather enjoyed this. I think he embraced it. 928 00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:21,889 I think he had the attitude, "If you're gonna cheat, 929 00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:23,090 "you don't cheat halfway. 930 00:47:23,174 --> 00:47:25,051 "You cheat all the way. You bring everything." 931 00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:28,680 If it's training, it's 100%. 932 00:47:28,763 --> 00:47:30,686 If it's equipment, it's 100%. 933 00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:32,642 If it's doping, it's 100%. 934 00:47:32,725 --> 00:47:36,525 So once he crossed that tine, and once he'd overcome his moral dilemma, 935 00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,527 it was two feet in for him. 936 00:47:38,606 --> 00:47:39,949 Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. 937 00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:43,369 I think he thought that the Tour de France was a gunfight, 938 00:47:43,444 --> 00:47:46,243 and why show up with a knife if everyone else has guns? 939 00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:48,916 When you take that killer mentality and put it in a sport 940 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:52,040 where there are no regulations, where there are no rules 941 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,544 and people are transfusing bags of blood and taking all kinds of drugs 942 00:47:55,623 --> 00:47:58,217 and using their power to avoid being detected, 943 00:47:58,292 --> 00:48:00,340 that's where it stops being sport 944 00:48:00,461 --> 00:48:02,555 and starts being something much darker. 945 00:48:11,972 --> 00:48:14,100 Why did you come back in 2009? 946 00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:15,776 Did you think this was an opportunity 947 00:48:15,851 --> 00:48:19,822 to actually convince people that you had never doped? 948 00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:21,149 I don't think so. 949 00:48:21,232 --> 00:48:23,109 I don't think you're ever gonna shut their mouths. 950 00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:27,789 But I did intend to go back and win and do it clean. 951 00:48:27,863 --> 00:48:30,582 Did you have any concern about going back 952 00:48:30,658 --> 00:48:32,376 and opening up some of the questions 953 00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,211 that had been raised in the past? 954 00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:35,788 Of course. 955 00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:43,342 So Lance knew the risk he was taking in coming back. 956 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:46,929 With new doping controls in place in 2009, 957 00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:50,728 maybe he thought he had a chance to ride clean and win. 958 00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:52,931 I thought that his comeback might have been a way 959 00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:55,766 of proving to his critics and to himself 960 00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,312 that it didn't matter if he had doped in the past. 961 00:49:01,188 --> 00:49:03,111 I know what I did and didn't do, 962 00:49:03,232 --> 00:49:05,155 so therefore, I sleep at night. 963 00:49:05,526 --> 00:49:06,527 Um... 964 00:49:07,736 --> 00:49:10,285 And I'm one of the greatest riders of all time. 965 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:12,787 If you look at the books and you look at the records, 966 00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:17,338 you won seven Tours in a period where everybody thought everybody was dirty. 967 00:49:17,413 --> 00:49:20,883 If I win again, they can't say that. 968 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,302 They cannot. 969 00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:25,050 Well, you can, but... 970 00:49:25,129 --> 00:49:28,724 There'd be a few dickheads that say that, trust me, but... 971 00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:30,221 No way. 972 00:49:32,428 --> 00:49:35,272 Lance, you've spoken recently about 973 00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:41,275 the return of Ivan Basso and Floyd Landis after their suspensions 974 00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:43,321 and that they should be welcomed back. 975 00:49:43,397 --> 00:49:47,152 What is it about these dopers that you seem to admire so much? 976 00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:49,953 So I'm driving to the press conference. 977 00:49:50,029 --> 00:49:52,999 And George Hincapie texts me. 978 00:49:53,073 --> 00:49:57,419 And he says, "Kimmage is here. He's asking all kinds of crazy questions." 979 00:49:57,495 --> 00:50:01,170 I knew the name, but I didn't really know what he looked like. 980 00:50:01,248 --> 00:50:03,717 I knew he was Irish, obviously. 981 00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:07,171 And so I said, "Okay. It's on. Today's the day. 982 00:50:07,254 --> 00:50:09,973 "He's gonna ask something. He's gonna say something stupid." 983 00:50:10,049 --> 00:50:12,097 Excuse me. What is your name again? 984 00:50:12,176 --> 00:50:14,679 My name is Paul Kimmage. I work for Sunday Times. 985 00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:17,606 I asked for an interview, but I didn't get one. 986 00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,183 Right. And just as a little preface, 987 00:50:19,308 --> 00:50:20,810 I might just clear up one thing. 988 00:50:20,893 --> 00:50:22,691 The reason you didn't get it, Paul... 989 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:25,444 I wanted to make sure that was you 'cause I don't know what you look like. 990 00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:32,038 When I decided to come back, for what I think is a very noble reason, 991 00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:37,744 you said, "Folks, the cancer has been in remission for four years, 992 00:50:37,826 --> 00:50:40,875 "but our cancer has now returned." 993 00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,084 Meaning me. 994 00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:46,385 I am here to fight this disease. 995 00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,383 I am here so that I don't have to deal with it, 996 00:50:48,462 --> 00:50:50,009 you don't have to deal with it, 997 00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:53,389 none of us have to deal with it, my children don't have to deal with it. 998 00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:56,016 But yet you said that I am the cancer, 999 00:50:56,095 --> 00:50:58,189 and the cancer is out of remission. 1000 00:50:58,264 --> 00:51:01,063 So I think it goes without saying, no, 1001 00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:03,894 we're not gonna sit down and do an interview. 1002 00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:06,197 And I don't think anybody in this room 1003 00:51:06,313 --> 00:51:08,566 would sit down for that interview. 1004 00:51:08,649 --> 00:51:12,074 You are not worth the chair that you're sitting on with a statement like that, 1005 00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:17,033 with a disease that touches everybody around the world. 1006 00:51:17,116 --> 00:51:18,789 Lance was threatened there, and the only 1007 00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:21,040 thing he knows what to do is to fight back. 1008 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,417 I have to say, at least in the footage, 1009 00:51:22,538 --> 00:51:23,755 you look a little bit uncomfortable. 1010 00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:26,132 Yeah, you think? 1011 00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:27,926 That's one of those moments where you're thinking, 1012 00:51:28,002 --> 00:51:30,175 "Why the hell did you come back to this sport? 1013 00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:31,676 "Why do you want to deal with this stuff?" 1014 00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,007 I mean, here he was, 1015 00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:38,350 a successful, retired athlete, and had everything he wanted in the world. 1016 00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:41,103 Why would you want to come back and suffer with us? 1017 00:51:42,016 --> 00:51:43,518 This sport is not glamorous at all. 1018 00:51:43,601 --> 00:51:46,901 I mean, you go out, ride in 30 degrees in pouring rain. 1019 00:51:46,979 --> 00:51:49,653 You just suffer on the bike all the time. 1020 00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:51,817 And yet he wanted to come back to it 1021 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,744 and prove a point, send a message. 1022 00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:57,661 Let's go, Lance! 1023 00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:08,043 # Well I stumbled in the darkness 1024 00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:11,049 # I'm lost and alone 1025 00:52:12,171 --> 00:52:15,095 # Though I said I'd go before us 1026 00:52:16,675 --> 00:52:19,428 # And show the way back home 1027 00:52:21,055 --> 00:52:24,355 # There a light up ahead 1028 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:27,770 # I can't hold onto her arm 1029 00:52:29,897 --> 00:52:35,404 # Forgive me pretty baby but I always take the long way home 1030 00:52:36,362 --> 00:52:40,117 # Money's just something you throw 1031 00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,169 # Off the back of a train 1032 00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:47,249 # Got a head full of lightning 1033 00:52:48,999 --> 00:52:51,752 # A hat full of rain 1034 00:52:53,253 --> 00:52:56,803 # Watch your back if I should tell you 1035 00:52:57,591 --> 00:53:00,970 # Love's the only thing I've ever known 1036 00:53:01,929 --> 00:53:07,811 # One thing for sure pretty baby I always take the long way home # 1037 00:53:10,604 --> 00:53:13,528 The misery of the rain stung one rider more than most. 1038 00:53:13,607 --> 00:53:16,656 Lance's old teammate, Floyd Landis. 1039 00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:19,454 Floyd had ridden with Lance for three Tour wins. 1040 00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:23,831 He'd also won the Tour on his own, only to be busted for doping. 1041 00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,328 In the middle of the pack, he wondered, 1042 00:53:26,412 --> 00:53:28,335 why should he be treated as a cheater 1043 00:53:28,414 --> 00:53:31,045 while his old teammate, Lance Armstrong, 1044 00:53:31,046 --> 00:53:33,046 was welcomed back as a hero? 1045 00:53:36,547 --> 00:53:38,299 Great job, boys. Congratulations. 1046 00:53:39,466 --> 00:53:42,094 Floyd actually contacted Johan Bruyneel, 1047 00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:44,555 and he said, "Can I just get a spot on your team?" 1048 00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:45,730 And Bruyneel said, "Look. 1049 00:53:45,806 --> 00:53:48,605 "You're radioactive in cycling. We can't have you on our team. 1050 00:53:48,726 --> 00:53:52,276 "We're trying to portray ourselves as this clean cycling team 1051 00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:54,652 "and you're a convicted doper." 1052 00:53:57,025 --> 00:54:00,074 Landis was enraged about the hypocrisy there, right? 1053 00:54:00,154 --> 00:54:03,408 Here's Johan Bruyneel talking about a clean team 1054 00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:05,538 with Lance Armstrong as its biggest star. 1055 00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:08,496 Of course, Floyd knows all the details of the truth. 1056 00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,923 It was pretty tough for him to swallow that. 1057 00:54:13,834 --> 00:54:17,589 The undertow of Floyd's resentment would, in the end, 1058 00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:20,675 lead to the downfall of Lance Armstrong. 1059 00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:24,762 Anybody else want to write a message on the ground 1060 00:54:24,845 --> 00:54:26,768 for the Lance Armstrong Foundation? 1061 00:54:26,847 --> 00:54:29,020 Hope rides again. Hope rides again. 1062 00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,733 Lance! I'm getting my pen ready! 1063 00:54:33,812 --> 00:54:36,156 There was a huge energy at Tour of California. 1064 00:54:36,231 --> 00:54:37,904 It was almost like he's a movie star. 1065 00:54:37,983 --> 00:54:39,951 There were people there that know nothing about cycling, 1066 00:54:40,027 --> 00:54:41,950 and they were just screaming, reaching over 1067 00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:44,873 the barriers, trying to touch the great hope. 1068 00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:47,371 My grandpa loves you. 1069 00:54:48,786 --> 00:54:51,130 Will you sign this for my mom? She's a cancer survivor. 1070 00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:54,374 This is a special year. I wanted to come back, 1071 00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:57,132 and I wanted to tell this Livestrong message around the world. 1072 00:54:57,211 --> 00:54:59,213 Some mock Livestrong as nothing more than 1073 00:54:59,338 --> 00:55:01,306 a front to hide Lance's doping. 1074 00:55:01,381 --> 00:55:03,099 But I didn't see it that way. 1075 00:55:03,175 --> 00:55:08,147 Livestrong had raised over $300 million to support cancer victims. 1076 00:55:08,222 --> 00:55:10,395 And 70 million people around the world 1077 00:55:10,557 --> 00:55:12,730 proudly wore those yellow wristbands. 1078 00:55:18,899 --> 00:55:19,991 All right. 1079 00:55:20,108 --> 00:55:21,155 Thank you! 1080 00:55:21,235 --> 00:55:23,988 - What's he racing for? - Sorry? 1081 00:55:24,071 --> 00:55:25,448 What's he racing for? 1082 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:26,994 To raise money for cancer. 1083 00:55:27,074 --> 00:55:28,792 - He raises money? - Yeah, to help... 1084 00:55:28,867 --> 00:55:29,867 And then he gives it to us? 1085 00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:30,911 Yeah. 1086 00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,540 The ones who always stick with you are kids. 1087 00:55:34,623 --> 00:55:37,126 There's nothing like seeing a kid with cancer. 1088 00:55:37,209 --> 00:55:38,677 Visibly with cancer. 1089 00:55:38,752 --> 00:55:41,005 And at the same time, there's nothing like 1090 00:55:41,129 --> 00:55:43,382 seeing the parents of a child with cancer. 1091 00:55:43,465 --> 00:55:46,969 So, while I've been that patient, now I'm a parent. 1092 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:51,816 And I can't imagine being that mom or that dad in that hospital room, 1093 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:56,316 looking down on a 5-year-old that's weak, that doesn't want to eat. 1094 00:55:56,395 --> 00:55:59,023 Just hanging out? Yeah? 1095 00:55:59,106 --> 00:56:01,484 It's a little crazy in there. Yeah. 1096 00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:04,446 There are some crazy girls in there. 1097 00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,997 I wouldn't go in there. No. 1098 00:56:07,072 --> 00:56:10,747 I've seen him with kids in the cancer wards. 1099 00:56:10,826 --> 00:56:14,456 And I also know people he's reached out to, and that's real. 1100 00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:17,462 It's as genuine as sort of that fury he has on the bike. 1101 00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:18,838 Hello! 1102 00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:20,965 We heard lots of different things about Lance. 1103 00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:23,763 "Maybe he's doping." "He's not a nice guy." 1104 00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:27,218 But all of a sudden, there are wards full of people who think, 1105 00:56:27,301 --> 00:56:31,022 "Not only can I beat this disease, I can be better than I was." 1106 00:56:31,096 --> 00:56:32,348 Good luck. 1107 00:56:32,431 --> 00:56:37,528 Ultimately, the chasm between being this hero and the reality of it 1108 00:56:37,603 --> 00:56:40,072 just bothered people hugely. 1109 00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:42,993 He thought that, "Because I raised so much money 1110 00:56:42,994 --> 00:56:43,994 and I gave so many people hope, 1111 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,735 "it allows me to do what I did." No, it doesn't. 1112 00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:48,159 The critics say I'm arrogant. 1113 00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:53,994 A doper. 1114 00:56:56,830 --> 00:56:57,956 Washed up. 1115 00:57:01,126 --> 00:57:03,003 A fraud. 1116 00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:08,175 That I couldn't let it go. 1117 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:14,352 They can say whatever they want. 1118 00:57:14,431 --> 00:57:17,685 I'm not back on my bike for them. 1119 00:57:35,369 --> 00:57:37,292 The Tour of Italy would be Lance's 1120 00:57:37,371 --> 00:57:39,715 vital warm-up for the Tour de France. 1121 00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:42,464 He was determined to see how he would fare 1122 00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:45,386 riding clean against the best riders in the world. 1123 00:57:47,881 --> 00:57:50,054 I look to have some good days. 1124 00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:52,807 If I left the Tour of Italy, and I didn't win a stage 1125 00:57:52,886 --> 00:57:55,639 and I wasn't a factor on some of the difficult days, 1126 00:57:55,722 --> 00:57:59,397 I'd be disappointed, and I think I have to do that. 1127 00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:03,613 To challenge his critics, Lance started 1128 00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:06,233 to post his blood values during the Giro. 1129 00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:07,909 Based on those findings, 1130 00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,204 even the most skeptical observers 1131 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,493 concluded that Lance was riding clean. 1132 00:58:12,572 --> 00:58:15,701 The big question was, "Could he still compete?" 1133 00:58:15,784 --> 00:58:22,167 Anytime you see him, if he's in trouble, he can never be alone. 1134 00:58:22,249 --> 00:58:27,881 So, Dani, Jani and Chechu, on the climb, you guys look for Lance. 1135 00:58:27,963 --> 00:58:30,057 And if there's a problem, he needs guys to 1136 00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:32,267 stay with him and pace him up the climb. 1137 00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,825 On this day's final climb, Lance cracked 1138 00:58:47,941 --> 00:58:50,911 and dropped way behind all the top racers. 1139 00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:53,614 His supporting riders slowed down to stay with him. 1140 00:58:56,033 --> 00:59:00,379 It's tough because I put pressure on myself and expect to... 1141 00:59:00,454 --> 00:59:03,173 In my mind, I think back to what it used to be like. 1142 00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:07,253 And you forget that you've been away for a few years. 1143 00:59:09,296 --> 00:59:11,139 It's hard, man. It's not easy to be away. 1144 00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:16,095 And you can feel that... 1145 00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:36,498 - Blood, urine, both? - Both. 1146 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,075 Both, cool. 1147 00:59:40,035 --> 00:59:42,879 Yesterday was number 31, I believe. 1148 00:59:44,247 --> 00:59:45,749 Blood and urine. 1149 00:59:45,832 --> 00:59:48,255 More than anybody else. 1150 00:59:48,335 --> 00:59:53,091 While I do the blood, I don't want that the cameras will film it. 1151 00:59:53,173 --> 00:59:54,470 And also when we go to... 1152 00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:55,888 Whose blood is it? 1153 00:59:57,677 --> 01:00:01,773 It's a Dopingkontrollstation, and it's not public. 1154 01:00:01,848 --> 01:00:06,775 We've had this... Yeah, you can call PWC or the UCI. 1155 01:00:06,853 --> 01:00:11,450 I know it's not comfortable for you, but it's my right, so... 1156 01:00:11,525 --> 01:00:13,619 - Okay. - We're gonna film it. 1157 01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:15,695 It's my blood and my urine. 1158 01:00:17,531 --> 01:00:19,408 Yeah, but... 1159 01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:21,410 Go ahead and call the UCI. 1160 01:00:21,493 --> 01:00:25,794 Nobody else than you and I, we are going to the toilet. 1161 01:00:25,872 --> 01:00:28,216 Yeah, that's obvious. 1162 01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:43,560 Hello. 1163 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,563 Hi, Bella. 1164 01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:52,150 The biggest dilemma gets to be that your home is your home. 1165 01:00:52,232 --> 01:00:54,576 You're there and you're eating breakfast with your kids, 1166 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,449 and they're getting ready for day camp 1167 01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:58,322 and you're thinking about your day, 1168 01:00:58,405 --> 01:01:00,407 and then these people just kind of come into your world, 1169 01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:02,709 and it could take close to an hour. 1170 01:01:02,784 --> 01:01:05,003 If you can't go to the bathroom, it could take longer than that. 1171 01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:06,421 They sit there and wait with you. 1172 01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:08,464 Is this the biggest audience you've ever had? 1173 01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:09,837 Yes. 1174 01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:14,634 Nobody thinks that's normal. 1175 01:01:14,713 --> 01:01:16,215 We're used to it. 1176 01:01:16,298 --> 01:01:17,766 A few of the haters in the press 1177 01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:20,640 and these people that are just on this whole anti-doping frenzy, 1178 01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,221 which I think we need... There's a place for that, 1179 01:01:22,304 --> 01:01:23,977 but there are people that are obsessed with it. 1180 01:01:24,055 --> 01:01:26,103 They think that's absolutely normal. That's not normal. 1181 01:01:26,808 --> 01:01:29,357 Why are you taking blood, Dad? 1182 01:01:29,436 --> 01:01:31,109 For my job. 1183 01:01:32,439 --> 01:01:34,612 His job is to take blood. 1184 01:01:36,443 --> 01:01:37,444 No, her job is to take blood. 1185 01:01:37,527 --> 01:01:38,904 My job is to take blood. 1186 01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:42,748 My job is to give blood. 1187 01:01:42,866 --> 01:01:43,867 Oh. 1188 01:01:45,535 --> 01:01:47,037 All right. 1189 01:01:49,289 --> 01:01:51,633 Bye-bye, cameraman. 1190 01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:55,588 Bye-bye, cameraman and funny, skinny man. 1191 01:01:57,464 --> 01:01:58,465 Go! 1192 01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:01,388 Let me tell you something. 1193 01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:05,730 I'm all for a clean game, but this is fucking ridiculous. 1194 01:02:06,973 --> 01:02:08,350 Now here we are. 1195 01:02:08,433 --> 01:02:12,779 Yesterday, we had a surprise UCI control, the 31st of the season. 1196 01:02:12,854 --> 01:02:14,197 Now, this morning, again. 1197 01:02:14,272 --> 01:02:16,445 See you pull up. Fine, no problem. 1198 01:02:16,524 --> 01:02:18,526 32nd control. Then, Higgs, look. 1199 01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:20,738 USADA walks in. 1200 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:22,413 Talk about a broken system. 1201 01:02:23,865 --> 01:02:25,367 Stupid. 1202 01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:30,084 How can there not be any communication? 1203 01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:31,790 It's 2009. 1204 01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:35,552 You guys look like fools. 1205 01:02:35,627 --> 01:02:37,925 When I'm in the bathroom, going to the bathroom, I look outside, 1206 01:02:38,004 --> 01:02:39,506 another car pulls up. 1207 01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:41,933 And it's the American Anti-Doping Agency. 1208 01:02:42,008 --> 01:02:45,888 So 10 minutes before, the International Cycling Federation shows up, 1209 01:02:45,971 --> 01:02:49,475 and then the American Olympic Federation shows up. 1210 01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,811 And I've got to get dressed to ride. 1211 01:02:52,894 --> 01:02:55,864 So I gotta go up and change and everybody's gonna escort me up there? 1212 01:02:55,939 --> 01:02:57,612 In front of my girlfriend, who's breastfeeding? 1213 01:02:57,691 --> 01:02:59,284 Is that the way it's gonna work? 1214 01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:01,282 - Okay. - No. 1215 01:03:01,361 --> 01:03:03,113 So I gotta walk in where you can't see me, 1216 01:03:03,238 --> 01:03:04,956 and you say, "No, that's a violation"? 1217 01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:06,533 That's stupid. 1218 01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:09,123 Anyways, off we go. 1219 01:03:09,202 --> 01:03:10,875 Six hours on the bike today. 1220 01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:13,123 See you. 1221 01:03:20,046 --> 01:03:22,265 After his poor performance in Italy, 1222 01:03:22,382 --> 01:03:24,601 Lance had to find some way to get better. 1223 01:03:24,676 --> 01:03:26,724 With only a month before the Tour de France, 1224 01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:31,354 Lance trained in Aspen with his Astana teammate, Levi Leipheimer. 1225 01:03:33,268 --> 01:03:36,818 For both men, riding in the Rockies was all about the altitude. 1226 01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:40,776 Training in the thin air causes the body to produce more red blood cells, 1227 01:03:40,859 --> 01:03:43,988 the exact same effect as EPO. 1228 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:47,916 I learned that altitude training also played a role in doping. 1229 01:03:47,991 --> 01:03:49,789 To prepare for competition, 1230 01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:51,495 riders would often train in the mountains 1231 01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:53,212 to boost their red blood cells, 1232 01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:57,885 take out a bag or two, and then be ready to transfuse them during a tour. 1233 01:03:57,959 --> 01:04:02,214 At the time, I wondered, "Was that what Lance was doing in Aspen?" 1234 01:04:04,591 --> 01:04:07,811 I watched Lance and Levi do a series of 1K tests, 1235 01:04:07,886 --> 01:04:10,264 timed runs up a one-kilometer hill 1236 01:04:10,388 --> 01:04:12,766 with a blood test at the top of each climb. 1237 01:04:14,392 --> 01:04:16,144 They measure lactic acid levels, 1238 01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:19,527 which indicate fitness and the ability of a rider's leg muscles 1239 01:04:19,606 --> 01:04:22,029 to deliver sustained power over time. 1240 01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:27,865 It's a test that was developed and refined in Italy by Michele Ferrari. 1241 01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,415 Okay. 1242 01:04:30,658 --> 01:04:34,253 You still pass on a suggestion or two from time to time to Lance? 1243 01:04:34,329 --> 01:04:36,673 Yes, not so many as in the past. 1244 01:04:36,748 --> 01:04:39,718 But probably, he doesn't need so many. 1245 01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:44,344 But sometimes I give him some inputs. 1246 01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:46,842 May be useful. 1247 01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:50,512 They were useful. 1248 01:04:50,595 --> 01:04:52,393 Lance had told everyone that he had 1249 01:04:52,472 --> 01:04:55,100 stopped working with Ferrari in 2004, 1250 01:04:55,183 --> 01:04:57,527 but an investigation by Italian police 1251 01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,650 revealed that Armstrong kept contact 1252 01:04:59,771 --> 01:05:01,819 with Ferrari through his son Stefano. 1253 01:05:01,898 --> 01:05:05,823 In e-mails, Papa Ferrari was known by his nickname, Schumi. 1254 01:05:06,820 --> 01:05:08,493 Bank records and e-mails confirmed 1255 01:05:08,655 --> 01:05:11,283 Armstrong's payments to Ferrari. 1256 01:05:11,783 --> 01:05:14,582 In 2009, I wasn't honest about my relationship with him, 1257 01:05:14,661 --> 01:05:19,508 but I didn't know who else to trust when it came to training and advice. 1258 01:05:20,125 --> 01:05:24,096 And to his credit, he was the first to say, "You cannot take any risk. 1259 01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:27,299 "They are coming for you. 1260 01:05:27,382 --> 01:05:29,225 "They want you." 1261 01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:33,347 From Italy, Ferrari monitored Lance's progress. 1262 01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:35,524 He compared his performance from a month earlier 1263 01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:38,226 and concluded that Lance had improved by 10% 1264 01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:41,939 in his power output number, watts per kilogram. 1265 01:05:42,021 --> 01:05:45,992 The watts-per-kilo number now is just a hair under 6.5. 1266 01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:48,741 6.5 might be good enough to win the Tour. 1267 01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:52,120 I've seen higher. I've been higher. 1268 01:05:52,198 --> 01:05:55,498 The best Lance with 1K tests was 7. 1269 01:05:55,577 --> 01:05:57,329 More than 7. 1270 01:05:57,412 --> 01:06:01,167 The best Lance was the year of the last Tour win. 1271 01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,001 2005. 1272 01:06:03,084 --> 01:06:05,337 He won the Tour like this. 1273 01:06:06,546 --> 01:06:08,344 It was impressive. 1274 01:06:08,423 --> 01:06:10,676 Lance took it easy, because... 1275 01:06:12,302 --> 01:06:15,897 if you win by too much... 1276 01:06:15,972 --> 01:06:17,895 everybody blah, blah, blah... 1277 01:06:18,099 --> 01:06:20,943 The other seven Tours... 1278 01:06:21,019 --> 01:06:23,613 In late June, you know, the last test before the Tour 1279 01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:28,990 based on power output, we sat down and said, "Okay. We win. 1280 01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:32,072 "If we don't fall off the bike, if you don't get sick, 1281 01:06:32,155 --> 01:06:36,126 "if you don't have any kind of terrible strategic error, 1282 01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:37,919 "you win easy." 1283 01:06:37,994 --> 01:06:39,120 It was amazing. 1284 01:06:39,204 --> 01:06:41,081 - 4.5? - At 326. 1285 01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:42,416 At 326? 1286 01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:45,214 326. 1287 01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:47,842 Oh, snap! 4.7. 1288 01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:52,137 He pushed too hard on my finger. 1289 01:06:52,217 --> 01:06:53,639 I'm strong. 1290 01:06:53,718 --> 01:06:55,561 Quite honestly, I think... 1291 01:06:57,263 --> 01:07:01,439 I mean, if you want a prediction, I think I'll win the Tour. 1292 01:07:02,101 --> 01:07:04,570 How could Lance be so confident? 1293 01:07:04,646 --> 01:07:07,024 He hadn't performed well all year. 1294 01:07:07,106 --> 01:07:09,484 What did he know that I didn't? 1295 01:07:09,567 --> 01:07:11,035 We are close to the moment 1296 01:07:11,110 --> 01:07:14,114 when big Lance returns to the sport of cycling. 1297 01:07:14,197 --> 01:07:18,202 And when he left in 2005, he wouldn't be back, he said. 1298 01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:20,207 There he is. He's back. 1299 01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:26,300 Going good. Going good. Going good. 1300 01:07:26,376 --> 01:07:27,969 Demand it. Accelerate your body. 1301 01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:29,796 Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. 1302 01:07:30,255 --> 01:07:32,257 In the first stage, a short time trial, 1303 01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:34,468 Lance wanted to make a statement. 1304 01:07:34,551 --> 01:07:37,896 In the past, he had always dominated time trials. 1305 01:07:37,971 --> 01:07:41,646 An impressive performance here would show everyone he was back. 1306 01:07:46,062 --> 01:07:47,860 He doesn't look good to me. 1307 01:07:50,984 --> 01:07:52,907 Come on, Lance. Come on, come on. Pick it up. 1308 01:07:52,986 --> 01:07:55,239 Come on, come on. Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! 1309 01:07:57,824 --> 01:08:00,577 One kilometer. One kilometer. Hello? 1310 01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,288 Yes, I'm in the race now. I'm in the race. 1311 01:08:03,371 --> 01:08:04,873 I'm in the race. Call me back. 1312 01:08:04,956 --> 01:08:06,082 Look at his face. 1313 01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:08,588 Lance Armstrong, seven times the winner of Tour de France. 1314 01:08:08,668 --> 01:08:10,386 He's headed for the best time. 1315 01:08:21,055 --> 01:08:24,104 Lance's time put him in first place by 30 seconds, 1316 01:08:24,183 --> 01:08:26,686 but with all the best riders still to come. 1317 01:08:30,481 --> 01:08:32,654 Cancellara pushes on for the finish. 1318 01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:36,079 He's looking to beat the time of Bradley Wiggins of 19:51. 1319 01:08:36,154 --> 01:08:39,328 He's sprinting for the line and the best time. 1320 01:08:39,407 --> 01:08:42,160 One by one, the best riders in the world, 1321 01:08:42,243 --> 01:08:45,213 including his Astana teammate, Alberto Contador, 1322 01:08:45,288 --> 01:08:46,915 beat his time. 1323 01:08:46,998 --> 01:08:52,471 A great ride by Alberto Contador, who won the Tour in 2007. 1324 01:08:52,545 --> 01:08:54,172 Contador is second. 1325 01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:55,973 Is he now the leader of Astana? 1326 01:08:56,049 --> 01:08:57,892 He certainly laid claim to that. 1327 01:08:59,552 --> 01:09:01,805 Lance finished the first stage in 10th place, 1328 01:09:01,888 --> 01:09:03,765 40 seconds behind the leader, 1329 01:09:03,848 --> 01:09:07,273 and 22 seconds behind his teammate, Alberto Contador. 1330 01:09:13,733 --> 01:09:16,828 From the start, I watched Lance's comeback hopes collide 1331 01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:18,325 with a ferocious rider 1332 01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:22,204 who bore an eerie resemblance to Armstrong 10 years earlier. 1333 01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:24,001 These guys never talked to each other. 1334 01:09:24,077 --> 01:09:25,454 They came out of the bus, 1335 01:09:25,536 --> 01:09:28,506 I never once saw them look at each other, make eye contact. 1336 01:09:28,581 --> 01:09:30,504 They would walk right past each other. 1337 01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:32,756 It was the weirdest thing. 1338 01:09:32,835 --> 01:09:35,213 The honest truth is that there's 1339 01:09:35,338 --> 01:09:37,011 a little tension at the dinner table. 1340 01:09:38,216 --> 01:09:40,218 The truth is... 1341 01:09:40,301 --> 01:09:42,929 I have seen Lance's statements, 1342 01:09:43,096 --> 01:09:45,724 but on my side there are no tensions. 1343 01:09:45,807 --> 01:09:48,230 I'm completely relaxed... 1344 01:09:48,601 --> 01:09:51,104 He's got the gunslinger hat on. 1345 01:09:52,271 --> 01:09:54,023 Journalists behind... That would drive me nuts. 1346 01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:56,075 This guy's gonna fall in the fucking water. 1347 01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:58,949 That would drive me nuts, people behind me. 1348 01:10:01,739 --> 01:10:04,913 The Tour de France is the world's most demanding sporting event. 1349 01:10:04,992 --> 01:10:07,871 It covers 2,200 miles over three weeks. 1350 01:10:07,954 --> 01:10:13,711 The 21 daily stages combine flat roads, brutal climbs and time trials. 1351 01:10:13,793 --> 01:10:15,466 Each day, among the entire group 1352 01:10:15,628 --> 01:10:17,346 of cyclists, known as the "peloton," 1353 01:10:17,422 --> 01:10:19,516 the rider with the fastest overall time 1354 01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:21,888 wears the yellow jersey, or the maillot jaune. 1355 01:10:25,096 --> 01:10:27,770 While each team on the Tour has nine riders, 1356 01:10:27,849 --> 01:10:29,817 usually just one, the team leader, 1357 01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:31,899 is riding for the yellow jersey. 1358 01:10:31,978 --> 01:10:34,106 On Astana, Armstrong and Contador 1359 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:36,324 are dueling for the right to lead. 1360 01:10:37,316 --> 01:10:41,662 The other cyclists were known as "domestiques" - French for "servants." 1361 01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:44,495 Ludi has no arm warmers. 1362 01:10:46,451 --> 01:10:47,748 This, this. Okay. 1363 01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:50,080 Who else? Anybody else? 1364 01:10:52,165 --> 01:10:56,420 An energy bar for Alberto. 1365 01:10:56,502 --> 01:10:57,674 This? 1366 01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:37,176 Another job of the domestiques is 1367 01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:39,216 to shelter team leaders from the wind. 1368 01:11:40,087 --> 01:11:42,385 When riding at high speeds on flat roads, 1369 01:11:42,507 --> 01:11:44,760 the effects of wind resistance are huge. 1370 01:11:44,842 --> 01:11:48,517 Riders in front have to work as much as 30% harder 1371 01:11:48,596 --> 01:11:50,690 than those sheltering behind. 1372 01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:53,314 At high speeds, you can see the domestiques, 1373 01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:55,065 often from different teams, 1374 01:11:55,144 --> 01:11:57,897 sharing the work of fighting the wind. 1375 01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:01,818 For Lance's victories, 1376 01:12:01,901 --> 01:12:05,951 there were some where he rode in front by himself only a matter of minutes, 1377 01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:08,328 like three to five minutes for the entire Tour, 1378 01:12:08,407 --> 01:12:10,125 because he essentially is using the muscle 1379 01:12:10,243 --> 01:12:11,995 of his team as an extension of himself 1380 01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:14,672 to drive forward and to burn other people off. 1381 01:12:15,289 --> 01:12:17,417 Relying on a group of domestiques, 1382 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:19,548 Lance found a way to use the wind 1383 01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:21,550 when the cyclists rode near the ocean 1384 01:12:21,629 --> 01:12:24,223 and sea breezes whipped into the peloton. 1385 01:12:24,882 --> 01:12:30,355 We were coming into that corner, and I was about 40 guys back. 1386 01:12:30,429 --> 01:12:32,102 And I was kind of like, 1387 01:12:32,807 --> 01:12:34,730 "I better move up." 1388 01:12:35,268 --> 01:12:38,021 The crosswinds caused a split in the peloton. 1389 01:12:38,104 --> 01:12:41,199 Lance and two of his domestiques made it to the front group. 1390 01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:43,151 The rest of his Astana teammates, 1391 01:12:43,234 --> 01:12:45,362 including Contador, were left behind. 1392 01:12:45,778 --> 01:12:47,246 In this situation, 1393 01:12:47,321 --> 01:12:50,325 Lance reached out to an old teammate now on a different team, 1394 01:12:50,408 --> 01:12:52,035 George Hincapie. 1395 01:12:52,118 --> 01:12:55,543 I had to call in some favors, George and those guys. 1396 01:12:55,621 --> 01:13:00,047 I said, "George, you keep riding. 1397 01:13:00,126 --> 01:13:01,628 "Hard." 1398 01:13:03,629 --> 01:13:05,677 Just like I would do in the old days 1399 01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:08,054 when he was on the same team. 1400 01:13:08,134 --> 01:13:11,183 I just remember Lance being all fired up that he was in the first group 1401 01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:13,640 and asking us to go harder, 1402 01:13:13,723 --> 01:13:16,397 and we're like, "Dude, we're doing our own thing here. 1403 01:13:16,475 --> 01:13:19,570 "Sure, you're here, but we're not really doing this for you." 1404 01:13:19,645 --> 01:13:20,988 They could be putting Lance Armstrong 1405 01:13:21,147 --> 01:13:22,444 in yellow in the next 24 hours. 1406 01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:25,743 Little bit further back down the road, that is Alberto Contador. 1407 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:27,195 He got caught out, but he's keeping 1408 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,742 at the front end of the main field. 1409 01:13:28,821 --> 01:13:30,289 But I wonder what he's thinking 1410 01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:32,742 about the presence of Lance Armstrong in that little group. 1411 01:13:32,825 --> 01:13:35,078 French radio was like, "This is a betrayal." 1412 01:13:35,161 --> 01:13:36,879 Betrayal? 1413 01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:39,628 It's like, "Why is he riding out front? 1414 01:13:39,707 --> 01:13:42,551 "Why is he pulling? Why don't they wait for Alberto?" 1415 01:13:42,627 --> 01:13:44,846 Because I won the fucking Tour de France seven times. 1416 01:13:44,921 --> 01:13:48,801 That's why we're out there riding. That's not... 1417 01:13:48,883 --> 01:13:50,601 That's stupid. 1418 01:13:51,177 --> 01:13:53,020 If you can take advantage of the wind 1419 01:13:53,179 --> 01:13:55,022 or any other situation like that, 1420 01:13:55,097 --> 01:13:56,599 that's the way you race bikes. 1421 01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:58,229 That's the way you win bike races. 1422 01:13:58,309 --> 01:14:00,607 We were in the right place at the right time, 1423 01:14:00,686 --> 01:14:04,190 and I deserved to have those guys ride. 1424 01:14:04,273 --> 01:14:05,616 That's what I told Johan. 1425 01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:10,413 "You better start getting used to this again because..." 1426 01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:15,960 The breakaway finished 41 seconds ahead of the peloton, 1427 01:14:16,035 --> 01:14:18,254 enough to move Lance from 10th to third, 1428 01:14:18,329 --> 01:14:21,299 nineteen seconds ahead of Contador. 1429 01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:24,799 Suddenly, Lance's comeback was looking pretty good. 1430 01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:26,379 If everything goes right, 1431 01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:28,556 I mean, if it goes perfectly for us 1432 01:14:28,673 --> 01:14:30,767 and not that great for the others, 1433 01:14:31,384 --> 01:14:32,886 we take the yellow jersey. 1434 01:14:32,969 --> 01:14:34,971 It would be... 1435 01:14:35,054 --> 01:14:36,397 You don't wanna take the yellow jersey 1436 01:14:36,555 --> 01:14:37,898 this early in the Tour, do you? 1437 01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:40,985 Sure. I'd take it. 1438 01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:42,983 Hell, yeah. 1439 01:14:43,062 --> 01:14:45,736 Four years later, why not? 1440 01:14:45,815 --> 01:14:47,533 I'd totally take it. 1441 01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:50,987 I'm pedaling tomorrow for that. 1442 01:14:53,531 --> 01:14:57,206 Looking back on that moment now, I admit that I was caught up. 1443 01:14:57,284 --> 01:15:00,083 I wasn't naive about past doping allegations, 1444 01:15:00,162 --> 01:15:02,540 but I couldn't help but root for the old pro, 1445 01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:04,876 and he promised he was doing it clean. 1446 01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:16,767 But my presence at the Tour and my access to Lance 1447 01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:19,816 was mystifying to Lance's longtime critics. 1448 01:15:20,516 --> 01:15:26,023 It was perceived that you were making the puff piece on Lance. 1449 01:15:26,188 --> 01:15:28,407 I thought it was odd that you were 1450 01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:30,697 doing a movie about the comeback, 1451 01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:36,078 because it seemed like it was going to be an inspirational movie. 1452 01:15:36,282 --> 01:15:40,537 The fear was that you would buy into the bullshit. 1453 01:15:40,953 --> 01:15:44,207 I was afraid I was starting to buy into the bullshit, too, 1454 01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:46,167 so I sought out Jonathan Vaughters. 1455 01:15:46,292 --> 01:15:49,922 He was running Team Garmin, the so-called anti-doping team. 1456 01:15:50,004 --> 01:15:52,223 But he wouldn't agree to talk to me. 1457 01:15:52,298 --> 01:15:54,300 Back then, he had not yet made public 1458 01:15:54,425 --> 01:15:56,348 what he knew about Lance's doping. 1459 01:15:56,427 --> 01:16:00,307 People have to realize that the truth in all this was hard. 1460 01:16:00,389 --> 01:16:04,144 Such a huge number of people wanted to believe so bad 1461 01:16:04,727 --> 01:16:07,731 that they hated anyone who didn't believe 1462 01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:09,907 and hated anyone who questioned it. 1463 01:16:10,483 --> 01:16:13,453 As a team manager, imagine what the reaction would've been 1464 01:16:13,527 --> 01:16:15,575 had I said something about Lance. 1465 01:16:15,654 --> 01:16:17,452 Lose the team. Lose the riders. 1466 01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:19,204 You know, lose the whole thing. 1467 01:16:19,867 --> 01:16:23,542 As it happened, Vaughters had a dog in the hunt in 2009, 1468 01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:26,215 Bradley Wiggins was one of the leaders 1469 01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:29,134 and Lance's team was worried about him. 1470 01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:31,754 We want to get rid of Wiggins. 1471 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:33,339 You, too? 1472 01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:38,765 I know that ultimately you want to get rid of us, too, 1473 01:16:38,844 --> 01:16:40,187 but that's another story. 1474 01:16:42,098 --> 01:16:44,772 Everyone at the Tour was playing angles. 1475 01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:47,979 Greg LeMond, the former Tour winner and longtime Lance critic, 1476 01:16:48,062 --> 01:16:51,157 paid for a video crew to tail Lance's comeback. 1477 01:16:51,232 --> 01:16:54,281 Their mission, according to the cameraman in the straw cowboy hat, 1478 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,863 was to make the anti-Gibney film. 1479 01:16:57,738 --> 01:16:59,240 I was caught in the middle of a battle 1480 01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:02,293 between the myth-makers and the myth-busters. 1481 01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:05,747 One of the strangest subplots was Lance's interview strategy. 1482 01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:09,460 He insisted that the only American to be able to interview him 1483 01:17:09,542 --> 01:17:11,010 would be Frankie Andrea, 1484 01:17:11,085 --> 01:17:13,964 an ex-teammate he had feuded with for years. 1485 01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:15,639 Lance has multiple motivations. 1486 01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:17,842 One of them was sort of to show Frankie 1487 01:17:17,925 --> 01:17:20,804 that he could still make Frankie do whatever he wanted. 1488 01:17:20,886 --> 01:17:22,388 One of them was to show everyone that, 1489 01:17:22,513 --> 01:17:24,015 "Hey, I can accept Frankie back. 1490 01:17:24,098 --> 01:17:26,567 "I'm not the jerk." 1491 01:17:26,642 --> 01:17:28,565 Another one was to control who had access to him. 1492 01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:30,146 So all that was going on. 1493 01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:34,154 Months before, I was with Lance when he hatched his plan 1494 01:17:34,233 --> 01:17:38,579 to make Frankie wait outside the bus every day to interview him. 1495 01:17:39,780 --> 01:17:43,705 Johan begged him not to do it, but Lance couldn't contain himself. 1496 01:17:43,784 --> 01:17:46,207 When I asked him later about the Frankie plot, 1497 01:17:46,287 --> 01:17:47,789 Lance was back on message. 1498 01:17:47,872 --> 01:17:49,749 But there wasn't anything mischievous about it like, 1499 01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:52,551 "Frankie's gonna have to come to me now after those days." 1500 01:17:52,626 --> 01:17:53,969 Absolutely not. 1501 01:17:54,044 --> 01:17:56,012 No, this is totally different. 1502 01:17:57,089 --> 01:18:00,013 The kids had been watching the Tour on TV, 1503 01:18:00,092 --> 01:18:02,845 and they said, "Mom, Dad's interviewing Lance." 1504 01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:05,056 Frankie called me right after 1505 01:18:05,139 --> 01:18:08,109 and he said, "Lance wanted me, and only me, to interview him." 1506 01:18:08,184 --> 01:18:10,937 I said, "Frankie, you should spit on that guy. 1507 01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:14,149 "After everything he's done to you, done to me, done to us?" 1508 01:18:14,273 --> 01:18:15,650 - All right, thank you. - Yeah. 1509 01:18:15,733 --> 01:18:17,406 And to say the least, I was shocked 1510 01:18:17,484 --> 01:18:19,407 because for four or five years before that, 1511 01:18:19,737 --> 01:18:21,660 we just walked right past each other. 1512 01:18:21,739 --> 01:18:24,242 No eye contact with me. Wouldn't say a word to me. 1513 01:18:25,951 --> 01:18:29,751 Lance, Frankie and his wife Betsy had once been good friends. 1514 01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:32,583 Frankie had been on three US Postal teams, 1515 01:18:32,666 --> 01:18:36,887 but in 2000, Lance's second Tour win, Frankie wouldn't dope. 1516 01:18:36,962 --> 01:18:39,806 He asked for a raise, but the team director, Johan, 1517 01:18:39,882 --> 01:18:42,556 told him he'd have to take a steep pay cut. 1518 01:18:42,635 --> 01:18:45,138 When Frankie was looking at other teams, 1519 01:18:45,221 --> 01:18:46,723 he had two other offers. 1520 01:18:46,805 --> 01:18:48,398 He was on the phone with Johan 1521 01:18:48,474 --> 01:18:51,227 who asked him, "Which teams are you looking at?" 1522 01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:53,813 And Frankie told him the two teams. 1523 01:18:55,022 --> 01:18:56,945 Offers rescinded. 1524 01:18:58,525 --> 01:19:00,573 In late 2005, Frankie and Betsy 1525 01:19:00,653 --> 01:19:04,954 were served with subpoenas to testify in a lawsuit involving Lance. 1526 01:19:05,616 --> 01:19:09,541 At issue was doping and a conversation between Lance and his doctor 1527 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:11,372 while he was being treated for cancer. 1528 01:19:11,455 --> 01:19:12,502 Yeah. 1529 01:19:12,706 --> 01:19:14,754 Let's talk about the Indiana hospital room. 1530 01:19:14,833 --> 01:19:17,552 Tell us what was said during this conversation. 1531 01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,265 A group of us were inside of a room 1532 01:19:22,341 --> 01:19:26,517 where Lance had mentioned that he had taken certain drugs 1533 01:19:26,595 --> 01:19:28,142 when a doctor asked him about it. 1534 01:19:28,222 --> 01:19:29,348 The doctor came in. 1535 01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:32,401 I said to Lance, "I think we should leave to give you your privacy." 1536 01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:34,399 And Lance said, "No, that's okay. You can stay." 1537 01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,277 Were you present when that conversation or statement took place? 1538 01:19:37,356 --> 01:19:38,448 Yes. 1539 01:19:38,524 --> 01:19:40,993 The doctor asked him a couple of questions. 1540 01:19:41,068 --> 01:19:42,786 And then came the question, 1541 01:19:42,861 --> 01:19:47,708 "Have you ever taken any performance-enhancing drugs?" 1542 01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,456 Lance's response was that he had taken... 1543 01:19:49,535 --> 01:19:51,629 EPO, growth hormone... 1544 01:19:51,704 --> 01:19:52,876 Cortisone... 1545 01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,878 Steroids and testosterone. 1546 01:19:56,208 --> 01:20:00,634 Do you deny the statements that Ms. Andreu attributed to you 1547 01:20:00,713 --> 01:20:02,886 in the Indiana University Hospital? 1548 01:20:02,965 --> 01:20:04,888 100%. Absolutely. 1549 01:20:04,967 --> 01:20:06,640 Do you also deny what Mr. Andreu 1550 01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,433 said regarding those statements? 1551 01:20:08,512 --> 01:20:09,512 100%. 1552 01:20:09,555 --> 01:20:11,649 How could it have taken place 1553 01:20:11,724 --> 01:20:14,068 when I've never taken performance-enhancing drugs? 1554 01:20:14,143 --> 01:20:15,645 Look, how could that have happened? 1555 01:20:15,728 --> 01:20:17,776 That was my point. It's not just simply you don't recall? 1556 01:20:17,855 --> 01:20:19,323 How many times do I have to say it? 1557 01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:22,197 If you have a doping offense or you test positive, 1558 01:20:22,276 --> 01:20:25,496 it goes without saying that you're fired from all of your contracts. 1559 01:20:25,571 --> 01:20:30,998 Not just the team, but there's numerous contracts that I have 1560 01:20:31,076 --> 01:20:32,544 that would all go away. 1561 01:20:32,619 --> 01:20:33,836 Sponsorship agreements, for example. 1562 01:20:33,954 --> 01:20:35,171 All of them. 1563 01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:40,925 And the faith of all the cancer survivors around the world. 1564 01:20:41,003 --> 01:20:43,973 So everything I do off of the bike would go away, too. 1565 01:20:46,008 --> 01:20:48,932 And don't think for a second I don't understand that. 1566 01:20:50,929 --> 01:20:52,556 Yeah, that was... 1567 01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:53,682 Um... 1568 01:20:55,225 --> 01:20:58,229 Honestly, it's embarrassing to hear. 1569 01:20:59,563 --> 01:21:00,906 It's humiliating. 1570 01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:03,784 That was going too far. 1571 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,361 I know that now. 1572 01:21:07,237 --> 01:21:08,910 I didn't at the time. 1573 01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:10,866 Were you surprised when Mr. Armstrong said 1574 01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:13,202 he had taken those various performance-enhancing drugs? 1575 01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:14,582 Yeah, I was surprised. 1576 01:21:14,661 --> 01:21:17,289 From that point on, trying to do announcing gigs 1577 01:21:17,373 --> 01:21:19,501 or commentary or work, I was too controversial. 1578 01:21:19,583 --> 01:21:21,085 And I was told that a lot. 1579 01:21:21,168 --> 01:21:22,795 I was shunned, banned, from everybody, 1580 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,970 and a lot of people wouldn't look at me, shake my hand. 1581 01:21:27,049 --> 01:21:28,221 I was the outsider. 1582 01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:30,018 Lance wanted to humiliate Frankie, 1583 01:21:30,135 --> 01:21:31,887 and he wanted to get back at me. 1584 01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:33,392 She swore to this, and Frankie, 1585 01:21:33,472 --> 01:21:36,021 your former teammate and former friend also swore to this. 1586 01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:39,024 They had to be compelled to testify. They did not want to testify. 1587 01:21:39,103 --> 01:21:40,320 Why would they say this? 1588 01:21:40,396 --> 01:21:43,445 You know, I was present for Betsy's deposition 1589 01:21:43,524 --> 01:21:45,743 and we asked her that question. 1590 01:21:45,818 --> 01:21:47,912 We said something to the effect of, 1591 01:21:47,986 --> 01:21:50,705 "What do you think of Lance Armstrong?" 1592 01:21:50,781 --> 01:21:52,579 And, Bob, I've never been in a room where somebody 1593 01:21:52,658 --> 01:21:54,501 looks straight across the table at you right in the eye, 1594 01:21:54,576 --> 01:21:56,044 and she goes, "I hate him." 1595 01:21:56,161 --> 01:21:57,504 There's some allegations being made by 1596 01:21:57,663 --> 01:21:59,506 the wife of a former teammate of yours, 1597 01:21:59,915 --> 01:22:04,011 again accusing you of using performance-enhancing drugs. 1598 01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:05,261 The things they don't report is what 1599 01:22:05,379 --> 01:22:06,471 happened under cross-examination 1600 01:22:06,547 --> 01:22:08,675 when the person who made the accusation 1601 01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:10,384 couldn't remember anything about the room. 1602 01:22:10,467 --> 01:22:12,936 Couldn't remember if the doctor was a man or a woman. 1603 01:22:13,011 --> 01:22:14,684 Couldn't remember if they had a lab coat on or not. 1604 01:22:14,763 --> 01:22:15,961 Couldn't remember if they had a clipboard. 1605 01:22:15,962 --> 01:22:17,062 Couldn't remember anything. 1606 01:22:17,141 --> 01:22:19,940 No facts, no figures, no evidence. Just a mouth. 1607 01:22:20,018 --> 01:22:21,770 Aren't you sick of it? 1608 01:22:21,854 --> 01:22:23,777 Beyond the media, Lance had many supporters 1609 01:22:23,856 --> 01:22:25,233 who helped him sustain the myth. 1610 01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:27,868 One of those was Stephanie McIlvain. 1611 01:22:28,694 --> 01:22:31,743 She worked for Oakley, one of Armstrong's sponsors. 1612 01:22:31,822 --> 01:22:34,792 She had also been in the hospital room. 1613 01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,995 According to Betsy, in their conversations, 1614 01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,213 Stephanie confirmed Betsy's story. 1615 01:22:39,746 --> 01:22:42,875 But in Stephanie's deposition, she took Lance's side. 1616 01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:44,460 Were you ever in a hospital room 1617 01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:46,841 or other part of the hospital with Mr. Armstrong, 1618 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,049 where he said anything about performance-enhancing drugs? 1619 01:22:50,132 --> 01:22:51,384 No. 1620 01:22:51,467 --> 01:22:53,561 After the deposition, she left a message 1621 01:22:53,635 --> 01:22:55,137 on Betsy's answering machine. 1622 01:22:56,388 --> 01:22:58,982 I HOPE SOMEBODY BREAKS A BASEBALL BAT OVER YOUR HEAD 1623 01:22:59,057 --> 01:23:03,858 BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT ONE DAY YOU HAVE ADVERSITY IN YOUR LIFE 1624 01:23:03,937 --> 01:23:08,864 AND YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF TRAGEDY THAT WILL HIT YOUR FAMILY 1625 01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:12,321 AND MAKE YOU REALIZE WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT 1626 01:23:12,404 --> 01:23:16,830 OTHER THAN GOING AFTER PEOPLE THAT YOU ACTUALLY HATE. 1627 01:23:16,909 --> 01:23:19,708 IT'S PATHETIC, BETSY. 1628 01:23:19,828 --> 01:23:22,627 I THOUGHT YOU WERE A BETTER PERSON THAN THAT. 1629 01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:25,505 I AM SO SADDENED THAT YOU'RE NOT. 1630 01:23:25,584 --> 01:23:27,211 YOU ARE SUCH A SHALLOW 1631 01:23:27,294 --> 01:23:28,671 BITCH! 1632 01:23:28,921 --> 01:23:33,347 It didn't matter if the world thought I was a liar, 1633 01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:36,975 as long as the people close to me knew I was telling the truth. 1634 01:23:37,054 --> 01:23:42,527 However, when it affected Frankie's ability to work in the sport, 1635 01:23:42,601 --> 01:23:44,774 that's when I put my foot down and I said, 1636 01:23:44,978 --> 01:23:47,948 "I'm going to be obsessed with getting the truth out there." 1637 01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:51,778 This is the first time Andreu has spoken about it on television. 1638 01:23:51,944 --> 01:23:55,039 He replied, "Growth hormone, 1639 01:23:55,113 --> 01:24:00,540 "steroids, testosterone, EPO, cortisone." 1640 01:24:00,619 --> 01:24:02,496 From the moment Betsy started speaking out, 1641 01:24:02,579 --> 01:24:06,880 Frankie was confronted by an old teammate, George Hincapie. 1642 01:24:07,459 --> 01:24:09,132 Frankie was my mentor, 1643 01:24:09,211 --> 01:24:13,387 and the first time I ever saw dope was in Frankie's refrigerator. 1644 01:24:13,465 --> 01:24:15,593 And that's when I realized, "Well, fuck, I have to dope." 1645 01:24:16,426 --> 01:24:17,723 So for me, that really bothered me 1646 01:24:17,844 --> 01:24:19,096 that all of a sudden he changed, 1647 01:24:19,179 --> 01:24:21,477 and he wasn't racing anymore and said, "Well, Lance is doping." 1648 01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:24,106 Well, I mean, you taught me how to dope. 1649 01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:27,609 How could you stand by when you know that you did what you did? 1650 01:24:28,605 --> 01:24:29,731 Lance never sat there and said, 1651 01:24:29,815 --> 01:24:31,738 "You're gonna dope or you're out or I'm firing you." 1652 01:24:31,817 --> 01:24:34,741 That's just not true, and they made it seem like that was the case. 1653 01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:37,289 You're either on his side, or you're off his side. 1654 01:24:37,364 --> 01:24:38,707 If you crossed him, you were doomed. 1655 01:24:38,824 --> 01:24:42,749 You were thrown out very quickly, cast aside, 1656 01:24:42,828 --> 01:24:44,296 and then you could sit there waiting 1657 01:24:44,413 --> 01:24:45,915 for the revenge to be sent upon you. 1658 01:24:45,998 --> 01:24:51,095 That desire to bully. That desire to crush people. 1659 01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:53,342 He tried to wreck their lives. 1660 01:24:53,463 --> 01:24:56,012 Armstrong used his fame to undermine the credibility 1661 01:24:56,174 --> 01:24:58,677 of his critics like Greg LeMond. 1662 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,436 Greg, who I know has serious drinking and drug problems, 1663 01:25:03,515 --> 01:25:06,064 was clearly intoxicated. 1664 01:25:06,226 --> 01:25:07,273 Hey, Emma! 1665 01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:10,481 Emma O'Reilly, part of Postal's team support staff, 1666 01:25:10,564 --> 01:25:12,987 had helped Lance hide his doping. 1667 01:25:13,066 --> 01:25:15,910 After she left the team, she told a reporter about it. 1668 01:25:15,986 --> 01:25:17,203 Emma. 1669 01:25:17,696 --> 01:25:20,916 Afraid that we were gonna out her as a, 1670 01:25:20,991 --> 01:25:22,368 you know, all these things she said, 1671 01:25:22,534 --> 01:25:23,877 as a whore or whatever. I don't know. 1672 01:25:24,536 --> 01:25:27,255 Lance's lawyers pressured Emma to change her tune, 1673 01:25:27,331 --> 01:25:30,631 but she was determined to tell the truth and refused to back down. 1674 01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:34,304 Lance's counsel sued for libel in Britain and France. 1675 01:25:34,379 --> 01:25:38,475 One of his many modus operandi was "just sue." 1676 01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:41,599 The financial drain, the emotional drain, the mental drain... 1677 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,348 It's a pretty effective legal strategy when you think about it. 1678 01:25:44,431 --> 01:25:46,149 It's like, "I've got deeper pockets, 1679 01:25:46,224 --> 01:25:48,397 "and I can fight this war of attrition and you can't." 1680 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,655 It just built one upon another, 1681 01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:54,358 and the denials became more defiant, 1682 01:25:54,483 --> 01:25:57,157 and the arguments became more heated. 1683 01:25:57,944 --> 01:25:59,787 I should have just backed away. 1684 01:26:01,073 --> 01:26:05,954 In 2004, Armstrong launched lawsuits over L.A. Confidentiel, 1685 01:26:06,036 --> 01:26:08,960 the first book to air doping charges against him. 1686 01:26:09,039 --> 01:26:11,337 He stopped its publication in America, 1687 01:26:11,416 --> 01:26:15,466 forced an apology and won a judgment worth $1.5 million 1688 01:26:15,545 --> 01:26:18,890 that tarnished the reputation of the co-author, David Walsh. 1689 01:26:19,216 --> 01:26:22,470 How can this guy dope so much and not get caught? 1690 01:26:22,761 --> 01:26:25,105 That tells us about how cycling was run. 1691 01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:28,901 It tells us about the attitudes of the UCI, 1692 01:26:28,975 --> 01:26:31,023 which is the world governing body for cycling. 1693 01:26:31,269 --> 01:26:36,116 Its president for most of the Lance Armstrong years was Hein Verbruggen. 1694 01:26:36,441 --> 01:26:40,162 Hein Verbruggen and Lance Armstrong have always been friends. 1695 01:26:41,071 --> 01:26:43,665 The UCI denies that they ever covered up 1696 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:45,868 a drug test for Lance Armstrong, 1697 01:26:45,951 --> 01:26:47,203 but they do say 1698 01:26:47,285 --> 01:26:52,462 that when Lance and other top riders tested with suspicious levels, 1699 01:26:52,624 --> 01:26:56,003 they would go and talk to those riders and they would say, 1700 01:26:56,086 --> 01:26:58,509 "Listen, you're flying a little too close to the sun. 1701 01:26:58,588 --> 01:27:00,056 "We're going to be watching you. 1702 01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:01,641 "You better stop what you're doing." 1703 01:27:02,509 --> 01:27:04,932 There were dozens, if not hundreds, of those conversations 1704 01:27:05,011 --> 01:27:08,140 going, "Hey, this is close." 1705 01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:14,525 But the truth is that everybody was making money. 1706 01:27:14,604 --> 01:27:15,856 Everybody. 1707 01:27:16,189 --> 01:27:18,817 And I mean everybody. 1708 01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:23,698 Trek Bicycles, in 1998, does $100 million in revenue. 1709 01:27:23,780 --> 01:27:25,282 Now they're pushing a billion. 1710 01:27:25,741 --> 01:27:28,915 We all made money. Some made a lot more than others. 1711 01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:32,172 Some of Verbruggen's money was managed 1712 01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:34,583 in an appearance of conflict of interest 1713 01:27:34,833 --> 01:27:37,006 by an investment firm owned by the man 1714 01:27:37,127 --> 01:27:39,221 who bank-rolled Armstrong's team. 1715 01:27:40,046 --> 01:27:43,425 As head of the UCI, Verbruggen knew how much money and popularity 1716 01:27:43,508 --> 01:27:45,260 Lance had brought to the sport. 1717 01:27:45,844 --> 01:27:49,269 So when L'Equipe published evidence of doping by Armstrong, 1718 01:27:49,347 --> 01:27:51,349 cycling had a problem. 1719 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,275 It was in his interest for the sport to continue to grow 1720 01:27:55,353 --> 01:27:57,481 and grow controversy-free. 1721 01:27:57,898 --> 01:27:59,445 A thing we weren't very good at. 1722 01:28:00,525 --> 01:28:04,996 I mean, it was controversies every year. Every year. Big ones. 1723 01:28:06,364 --> 01:28:08,708 Verbruggen asked an acquaintance, Emile Vrijman, 1724 01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:11,703 to conduct an investigation into the newspaper allegations. 1725 01:28:13,246 --> 01:28:15,044 In the conversations with Hein Verbruggen, 1726 01:28:15,165 --> 01:28:16,917 clearly was the focus point on saying 1727 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,593 find out what kind of research did they do 1728 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,890 is this a positive test according to our definitions 1729 01:28:22,964 --> 01:28:25,638 and if yes, should we do something about it. 1730 01:28:26,593 --> 01:28:30,393 Oddly, the Vrijman Report didn't focus on whether Lance had doped. 1731 01:28:30,472 --> 01:28:33,726 Instead, it looked at technical details, lab protocols, 1732 01:28:33,892 --> 01:28:36,395 and attacked the World Anti-Doping Agency. 1733 01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:40,031 Without examining samples for drug use, the report concluded 1734 01:28:40,106 --> 01:28:42,825 that Lance was completely exonerated. 1735 01:28:42,901 --> 01:28:45,199 The 130-page Vrijman Report that came out, 1736 01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:46,575 he was the independent investigator 1737 01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:49,161 hired by our international federation, 1738 01:28:49,366 --> 01:28:51,243 it outlined, very clearly, what happened. 1739 01:28:52,702 --> 01:28:56,127 What Lance didn't say then, but what he told me years later, 1740 01:28:56,206 --> 01:28:58,880 was that he and his team had input on the report 1741 01:28:58,959 --> 01:29:01,178 and were delighted with the result. 1742 01:29:01,253 --> 01:29:04,757 Based on further talks with Lance, I had more questions. 1743 01:29:05,549 --> 01:29:07,927 Did you or your law firm receive any payments 1744 01:29:08,009 --> 01:29:10,182 from Lance Armstrong or his representatives? 1745 01:29:10,428 --> 01:29:13,477 Not at all. As far as I know, not at all. 1746 01:29:13,598 --> 01:29:16,477 Vrijman's denial led me to an odd coincidence. 1747 01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:20,401 In 2007, the UCI paid the final bill 1748 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:23,450 for the report, approximately $100,000. 1749 01:29:23,942 --> 01:29:27,287 Earlier that year, Lance had made a donation to the UCI. 1750 01:29:27,445 --> 01:29:30,244 The amount? $100,000. 1751 01:29:30,323 --> 01:29:32,451 The reason, says the UCI, 1752 01:29:32,659 --> 01:29:36,789 to pay for a blood-testing machine purchased in 2005. 1753 01:29:39,291 --> 01:29:41,885 Listen, nobody believes in doping controls more than me. 1754 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,054 I've submitted to all of them, 1755 01:29:44,129 --> 01:29:46,427 whether in competition or out of competition. 1756 01:29:53,597 --> 01:29:56,316 On the road, Lance was able to protect his lie 1757 01:29:56,433 --> 01:29:59,107 by enforcing the power of omert�, 1758 01:29:59,185 --> 01:30:02,234 a code of silence among riders about doping. 1759 01:30:03,815 --> 01:30:06,489 During the 2004 Tour 1760 01:30:06,568 --> 01:30:08,991 Lance Armstrong very publicly humiliated me. 1761 01:30:09,195 --> 01:30:12,449 What happened was that Filippo Simeoni tried to attack 1762 01:30:12,532 --> 01:30:16,082 to join the six-man breakaway that had built up a bit of a lead on the peloton. 1763 01:30:16,161 --> 01:30:18,129 The trouble is that Lance doesn't like Simeoni, 1764 01:30:18,204 --> 01:30:20,332 who is actually suing him for slander in Italy 1765 01:30:20,498 --> 01:30:22,592 after Armstrong called him a liar. 1766 01:30:23,168 --> 01:30:25,341 Was that all about Ferrari? 1767 01:30:25,587 --> 01:30:28,181 Simeoni had testified at a trial against Ferrari, 1768 01:30:28,465 --> 01:30:30,433 and Lance was working with Michele Ferrari 1769 01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:32,473 and considered Ferrari a good friend. 1770 01:30:32,552 --> 01:30:35,146 So, in the race, Simeoni attacked, 1771 01:30:35,263 --> 01:30:37,857 and Lance, who had the yellow jersey on, 1772 01:30:37,974 --> 01:30:40,272 followed the move, which is unheard of, 1773 01:30:40,352 --> 01:30:42,696 'cause normally you just let your team do all the chasing for you. 1774 01:30:43,063 --> 01:30:46,317 But he went up to Simeoni, and Simeoni was trying to win the stage, 1775 01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:48,993 and, pretty much, Lance said, "No way." 1776 01:30:49,069 --> 01:30:50,787 It was kind of wrong of him to do that, 1777 01:30:50,904 --> 01:30:52,656 but the peloton was happy about it 1778 01:30:52,781 --> 01:30:56,126 because they didn't appreciate what Simeoni was doing at that point. 1779 01:30:56,201 --> 01:30:57,748 You mean sort of outing the secret? 1780 01:30:57,827 --> 01:30:58,953 Yeah, outing the secret. 1781 01:30:59,037 --> 01:31:00,584 They were all probably doing the same thing. 1782 01:31:01,081 --> 01:31:03,675 The result was that Simeoni returned to the field 1783 01:31:03,917 --> 01:31:05,669 having apparently been told by Lance 1784 01:31:05,794 --> 01:31:07,546 to sit at the back and shut up. 1785 01:31:07,629 --> 01:31:10,678 That's the kind of authority the patron of the peloton has, 1786 01:31:10,757 --> 01:31:12,725 and Lance is not afraid to wield it. 1787 01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:15,016 Lance, can I ask just what went on 1788 01:31:15,136 --> 01:31:17,013 between you and Simeoni today in the race? 1789 01:31:17,931 --> 01:31:19,604 I was just following the wheels. 1790 01:31:21,226 --> 01:31:23,274 He can be revengeful and vindictive, 1791 01:31:23,353 --> 01:31:25,776 but then at the same time, very, very loyal and supportive, 1792 01:31:25,855 --> 01:31:27,277 and I've been on both sides. 1793 01:31:27,774 --> 01:31:29,902 What do you expect at the finish for yourself? 1794 01:31:32,028 --> 01:31:34,076 Honestly, I don't know. 1795 01:31:35,156 --> 01:31:39,627 If Cancellara's dropped, and the climb isn't as hard as we all think 1796 01:31:39,703 --> 01:31:43,674 and I stay with the leaders, then I can take the jersey. 1797 01:31:44,708 --> 01:31:46,631 And what would that mean to you? 1798 01:31:46,751 --> 01:31:48,719 It'd be great. It'd be a trip. 1799 01:33:08,166 --> 01:33:11,170 After the first week, the Tour moved to the Pyrenees. 1800 01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:14,013 Mountain stages are where the best riders make their moves 1801 01:33:14,214 --> 01:33:16,512 and where Lance had dominated in the past. 1802 01:33:17,509 --> 01:33:21,810 But unlike previous Tours, Lance didn't look like he was in control. 1803 01:33:22,013 --> 01:33:24,482 He sure rode like he was clean. 1804 01:33:24,682 --> 01:33:26,980 He was struggling physically. 1805 01:33:27,352 --> 01:33:30,401 He looked beaten for a lot of those stages. 1806 01:33:32,941 --> 01:33:34,943 He was not anywhere close to as fast 1807 01:33:35,026 --> 01:33:37,575 as where he was in 2001 or '99, 1808 01:33:37,654 --> 01:33:39,531 but he was also almost 40 years old. 1809 01:33:39,614 --> 01:33:43,790 Is it conceivable to think that he was racing clean in 2009? 1810 01:33:43,868 --> 01:33:47,418 It's possible. You know, he knows the answer to that. 1811 01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:51,339 Not that the sport was harder, but I found it harder. 1812 01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:55,763 And I don't know if it was being older, 1813 01:33:55,839 --> 01:33:58,467 or if it was being clean, or if it was... 1814 01:33:59,592 --> 01:34:03,142 I want to believe that the rest of the group was clean in '09. 1815 01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:04,689 I can't speak for them, 1816 01:34:04,764 --> 01:34:08,564 but I like to believe that we all were basically clean. 1817 01:34:24,242 --> 01:34:26,165 Gibney, we gotta win this fucking Tour de France. 1818 01:34:26,244 --> 01:34:28,918 Yeah, I'm counting on you for the movie. 1819 01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:30,335 This is all about me. 1820 01:34:30,415 --> 01:34:33,089 Trust me, this will not be the same if I don't. 1821 01:34:36,129 --> 01:34:38,348 Gonna be hard. Harder than I thought. 1822 01:34:38,464 --> 01:34:40,683 Harder than I thought a week ago. 1823 01:34:48,224 --> 01:34:50,602 Lance had lost ground, but he was still close to the lead 1824 01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:53,564 and only two seconds behind his rival, Contador, 1825 01:34:53,646 --> 01:34:55,319 going into the biggest climb of the Tour. 1826 01:34:56,482 --> 01:34:59,076 I figured that if Lance was gonna manage his mythic comeback, 1827 01:34:59,152 --> 01:35:01,246 he would have to beat Contador here. 1828 01:35:01,321 --> 01:35:03,289 But would that be enough to put an end 1829 01:35:03,364 --> 01:35:05,583 to all the questions about the past? 1830 01:35:08,244 --> 01:35:10,622 Today is a very important day. 1831 01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:12,962 We have two weeks of racing behind us. 1832 01:35:13,082 --> 01:35:14,959 We have one very hard week ahead of us. 1833 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,009 And today could be a day where a lot of things change. 1834 01:35:22,175 --> 01:35:27,773 You know, everybody's always talking about Alberto, Lance, Lance, Alberto. 1835 01:35:28,139 --> 01:35:30,312 We are here to win the Tour de France. 1836 01:35:30,558 --> 01:35:32,936 Of course, both of them are feeling good, 1837 01:35:33,061 --> 01:35:35,439 and both of them want to try to win. 1838 01:35:37,106 --> 01:35:40,485 The start of that day, I'd been hanging out at the bus 1839 01:35:40,568 --> 01:35:42,491 and Lance came out of the bus. 1840 01:35:42,654 --> 01:35:44,656 And I said, "Pretty big day." 1841 01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:47,083 And he said, "Yeah, this one's for all the fucking marbles." 1842 01:35:57,752 --> 01:36:01,848 Just before the steepest climb, Contador looked back at Lance. 1843 01:36:01,923 --> 01:36:05,848 Was that teamwork? Or a last "fuck you"? 1844 01:36:33,997 --> 01:36:36,170 But who's gonna stop Contador now? 1845 01:36:36,249 --> 01:36:39,469 Well, I don't think anybody can stop him, because the gap is opening. 1846 01:36:39,544 --> 01:36:43,094 Twenty-three seconds to Schleck, 42 seconds to Armstrong, 1847 01:36:43,172 --> 01:36:46,267 a minute, 22 to the yellow jersey. 1848 01:37:30,678 --> 01:37:33,272 Alberto Contador now is establishing himself 1849 01:37:33,389 --> 01:37:35,892 as the leader of the Astana team. 1850 01:37:35,975 --> 01:37:37,852 And, boy, when you see him climb like this, 1851 01:37:37,935 --> 01:37:39,778 who else could there be? 1852 01:37:43,191 --> 01:37:46,445 There's the pistol shot. Alberto Contador's over the line. 1853 01:37:46,527 --> 01:37:49,406 He's the next maillot jaune of the Tour de France. 1854 01:37:49,489 --> 01:37:51,082 Very fast at the bottom of the climb. 1855 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:52,746 Contador went once and you went after him. 1856 01:37:52,825 --> 01:37:55,044 And the second time he went, what were your thoughts there? 1857 01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:58,169 He showed he's the best rider in the race, certainly the best climber. 1858 01:37:58,247 --> 01:38:01,217 When everybody's on the limit and then you can accelerate again, 1859 01:38:01,292 --> 01:38:02,464 I've been there, and it's... 1860 01:38:03,044 --> 01:38:05,593 Do you think your chances for winning the Tour now are over? 1861 01:38:06,172 --> 01:38:07,173 Um... 1862 01:38:07,632 --> 01:38:10,010 Yeah. It'll be hard. 1863 01:38:10,093 --> 01:38:12,391 You know, a day like this really shows who's the best, 1864 01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:17,897 and I wasn't on par with what's required to win the Tour, so, 1865 01:38:17,975 --> 01:38:20,398 I mean, for me, that's the reality. 1866 01:38:20,478 --> 01:38:24,233 That's not devastating news or anything. 1867 01:38:25,525 --> 01:38:27,198 But are you disappointed with... 1868 01:38:27,276 --> 01:38:29,779 The Lance Armstrong I know always is a fighter, 1869 01:38:29,904 --> 01:38:32,157 always is one that is in attack mode. 1870 01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:35,585 And when I asked him that question, he was different. 1871 01:38:36,244 --> 01:38:38,087 I think there was a lot of doubt in his head 1872 01:38:38,162 --> 01:38:40,540 on what he was gonna be able to accomplish at that Tour. 1873 01:38:41,666 --> 01:38:43,543 When Frankie was talking to him, 1874 01:38:43,626 --> 01:38:47,096 it was such an honest exchange between those two guys. 1875 01:38:47,171 --> 01:38:48,468 When he was looking at this guy, 1876 01:38:48,548 --> 01:38:52,223 who had been his friend for years as well as his teammate, 1877 01:38:52,301 --> 01:38:53,974 and who had doped, 1878 01:38:54,053 --> 01:38:58,524 and he seemed to be admitting to Frankie more so than to the camera 1879 01:38:58,599 --> 01:39:01,352 that, "I just don't have it. I'm not good enough." 1880 01:39:01,978 --> 01:39:05,858 He had lost time, and he showed himself to be the weaker rider. 1881 01:39:17,535 --> 01:39:19,958 I don't have that punch that I used to have. GIBNEY: Uh-huh. 1882 01:39:28,045 --> 01:39:29,467 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1883 01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:32,388 No, but I mean, I... 1884 01:39:35,052 --> 01:39:37,100 I guess I'm... You know... 1885 01:39:38,514 --> 01:39:39,936 In terms of... 1886 01:39:40,016 --> 01:39:41,643 I know. It fucked up your documentary. 1887 01:39:41,726 --> 01:39:45,230 No, no. No. Nothing fucks up my documentary. 1888 01:39:47,523 --> 01:39:48,740 I'm sorry. 1889 01:39:58,993 --> 01:40:01,997 I don't think Lance's apology was just banter. 1890 01:40:02,079 --> 01:40:03,501 Part of it was real. 1891 01:40:03,581 --> 01:40:06,755 Saying he was sorry he couldn't deliver, one more time, 1892 01:40:06,834 --> 01:40:10,384 the perfect fairy tale that everyone had come to expect. 1893 01:40:12,173 --> 01:40:15,848 Going forward, he was looking for a way to salvage things. 1894 01:40:15,927 --> 01:40:18,055 What meaning would his comeback have 1895 01:40:18,179 --> 01:40:20,273 if he couldn't finish in the top three? 1896 01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:22,350 Now in second, he braced for attacks 1897 01:40:22,433 --> 01:40:24,902 from Garmin's Bradley Wiggins and the Schleck brothers, 1898 01:40:24,977 --> 01:40:27,275 all determined to push him off the podium. 1899 01:40:44,747 --> 01:40:47,045 Johan knew that Lance was not at his best. 1900 01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:49,878 So he pursued a delicate strategy, 1901 01:40:49,961 --> 01:40:52,214 protecting Contador's yellow jersey 1902 01:40:52,296 --> 01:40:55,220 and a spot on the podium for his old friend. 1903 01:40:56,050 --> 01:40:58,223 Without the podium, the comeback, 1904 01:40:58,302 --> 01:41:01,476 it's not just a wash, but it's a disaster for him. 1905 01:41:05,893 --> 01:41:09,648 Remember that to win the Tour you don't have to attack. 1906 01:41:09,730 --> 01:41:14,236 Only if you know you can leave everyone, then you can go. 1907 01:41:15,152 --> 01:41:17,325 Johan didn't want Contador to attack, 1908 01:41:17,405 --> 01:41:19,908 because he might push the Schlecks to a faster pace 1909 01:41:19,991 --> 01:41:21,163 than they would ride on their own. 1910 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:26,164 If they raced ahead, that could cost Lance a spot on the podium. 1911 01:41:29,083 --> 01:41:30,585 What's happening here? Contador's moved. 1912 01:41:30,668 --> 01:41:31,840 He's decided to go it alone. 1913 01:41:31,919 --> 01:41:33,842 Now can there be a reaction from Andy 1914 01:41:34,005 --> 01:41:35,928 after all the work that man has done? 1915 01:41:36,007 --> 01:41:37,850 Contador is now going for the top. 1916 01:41:41,137 --> 01:41:44,812 He's allowed himself just under two kilometers to the summit, 1917 01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:46,267 and he's going for the win. 1918 01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:48,899 Contador testing the waters here this afternoon, 1919 01:41:48,978 --> 01:41:51,401 but he hasn't got the gap on the two Schleck brothers. 1920 01:41:51,731 --> 01:41:54,735 Stop, stop Alberto, they're on you. 1921 01:41:54,817 --> 01:41:56,239 And it was a terrific acceleration, 1922 01:41:56,319 --> 01:41:58,037 but that's what this man is famous for, 1923 01:41:58,195 --> 01:42:00,038 is the acceleration on the mountains. 1924 01:42:00,114 --> 01:42:02,617 There was no need for that shit! 1925 01:42:25,806 --> 01:42:26,807 Shit! 1926 01:42:28,851 --> 01:42:31,445 Lance took dangerous chances on the descent. 1927 01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:34,653 It was his only chance to get back in the game. 1928 01:42:35,816 --> 01:42:37,318 By following Contador's attack, 1929 01:42:37,401 --> 01:42:40,905 the Schleck brothers were now second and third behind Contador. 1930 01:42:40,988 --> 01:42:43,491 Lance was in fourth, off the podium. 1931 01:42:45,409 --> 01:42:47,503 I wondered what words were exchanged 1932 01:42:47,620 --> 01:42:48,837 between Contador and the Schlecks. 1933 01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:53,168 He doesn't care, he's going all alone on the podium, 1934 01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,379 not with the team. 1935 01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,848 I don't blame Contador one bit. 1936 01:42:59,924 --> 01:43:03,098 He didn't trust anybody on that team, and he wanted to make sure 1937 01:43:03,177 --> 01:43:05,430 that he had that yellow jersey firmly on his shoulders. 1938 01:43:05,513 --> 01:43:06,514 He learned this from Lance. 1939 01:43:06,597 --> 01:43:08,019 When you have a chance to seize the yellow jersey 1940 01:43:08,099 --> 01:43:10,227 and take time out of your opponents, you do it. 1941 01:43:10,309 --> 01:43:12,357 Alberto was doing textbook Lance Armstrong. 1942 01:43:12,436 --> 01:43:14,109 It just backfired on Lance. 1943 01:43:18,401 --> 01:43:21,029 This guy is really unbelievable 1944 01:43:21,112 --> 01:43:23,786 Why did he have to attack? 1945 01:43:28,953 --> 01:43:31,081 There was still one more mountain to climb, 1946 01:43:31,163 --> 01:43:33,416 cycling's mythic Mont Ventoux. 1947 01:43:34,625 --> 01:43:38,596 If Lance didn't do well here, his whole comeback would backfire. 1948 01:43:39,672 --> 01:43:43,927 Some people would say he lost precisely because he couldn't win clean. 1949 01:43:44,009 --> 01:43:45,352 It was a tough challenge. 1950 01:43:45,428 --> 01:43:48,682 In years past, Lance had never won Ventoux. 1951 01:43:48,764 --> 01:43:52,940 I've had such a long history with that fucking mountain. 1952 01:43:54,478 --> 01:43:56,731 Lance believed that a strong showing here 1953 01:43:56,814 --> 01:44:00,569 might somehow extinguish the doubts that haunted his legacy. 1954 01:44:07,867 --> 01:44:11,292 Following a time trial, Contador was still safely in the lead, 1955 01:44:11,370 --> 01:44:13,793 but Lance had clawed his way back to third place, 1956 01:44:13,873 --> 01:44:16,422 just a few seconds ahead of Wiggins and Frank Schleck 1957 01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:19,379 and just over a minute behind Andy Schleck. 1958 01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:29,347 The Schlecks seemed determined to break Armstrong's will 1959 01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:30,727 by attacking him again and again. 1960 01:44:32,057 --> 01:44:34,901 But this time, Armstrong would not be dropped. 1961 01:44:34,977 --> 01:44:36,524 Look at the face of Armstrong there. 1962 01:44:36,604 --> 01:44:39,357 He's just telling Frank, "You ain't going nowhere this afternoon, mate, 1963 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:42,865 "because I'm going to stick all over your back wheel." 1964 01:44:59,126 --> 01:45:00,628 Ventoux opens up, 1965 01:45:00,711 --> 01:45:03,385 and you could see a very small group that included him. 1966 01:45:04,924 --> 01:45:07,518 Against every possible odd, 1967 01:45:07,593 --> 01:45:09,186 he had managed to stay with that group 1968 01:45:09,303 --> 01:45:10,896 and he was not gonna lose time. 1969 01:45:11,472 --> 01:45:13,566 I was like, "He's gonna do it! I can't believe it!" You know? 1970 01:45:13,849 --> 01:45:15,567 The guy is amazing. 1971 01:45:18,270 --> 01:45:22,241 To see him not just hanging on, but having some aggression, 1972 01:45:22,817 --> 01:45:26,572 not just surviving, but asserting, 1973 01:45:26,862 --> 01:45:30,116 was the most dramatic moment of the Tour. 1974 01:45:30,199 --> 01:45:32,201 He wasn't gonna win. He was doing it for some other reason, 1975 01:45:32,284 --> 01:45:35,003 some reason that was unfamiliar to him. 1976 01:45:36,455 --> 01:45:37,581 I was caught up, too. 1977 01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,759 At that moment, on that fucking mountain, 1978 01:45:40,835 --> 01:45:43,384 I was just a fan, rooting for Lance. 1979 01:45:49,593 --> 01:45:51,687 Just before the finish, Wiggins cracked, 1980 01:45:51,762 --> 01:45:53,981 but Lance found another gear. 1981 01:45:54,056 --> 01:45:56,980 He pedaled on with Contador and the Schlecks. 1982 01:46:07,403 --> 01:46:08,825 It was a good day. 1983 01:46:08,904 --> 01:46:12,704 I thought I'd be fine, but I felt better than I expected. 1984 01:46:12,783 --> 01:46:14,706 - Right. - Which was good. 1985 01:46:15,286 --> 01:46:17,209 Although I came in here and wanted to win 1986 01:46:17,288 --> 01:46:20,508 and thought I could win, thought I could be close, 1987 01:46:22,334 --> 01:46:23,881 that's not going to happen. 1988 01:46:23,961 --> 01:46:25,053 I'm gonna get third. 1989 01:46:25,254 --> 01:46:29,885 I can stand on the third step and still say that I have won. 1990 01:46:29,967 --> 01:46:33,392 And I've won because of all of the reasons I wanted to do this. 1991 01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:35,598 My foundation has benefited. 1992 01:46:35,681 --> 01:46:38,059 Cancer survivors and their families all over the world 1993 01:46:38,142 --> 01:46:40,486 have benefited because of this. 1994 01:46:41,478 --> 01:46:43,446 I think I've answered a lot of questions 1995 01:46:43,564 --> 01:46:45,487 about the performances in the past. 1996 01:46:45,566 --> 01:46:46,738 Right. 1997 01:46:46,817 --> 01:46:47,818 Um... 1998 01:46:48,986 --> 01:46:50,454 It was incredible. 1999 01:46:50,529 --> 01:46:52,406 No sooner was the race over 2000 01:46:52,489 --> 01:46:55,413 than Lance was busy writing a new ending to his story, 2001 01:46:55,492 --> 01:46:57,335 one that even the French embraced. 2002 01:46:59,163 --> 01:47:03,088 The headline in the paper that had once trumpeted "The Armstrong Lie" 2003 01:47:03,167 --> 01:47:05,044 now sang a different tune. 2004 01:47:05,127 --> 01:47:08,848 "Chapeau, le Texan." "Hats off to Armstrong." 2005 01:47:10,341 --> 01:47:14,596 This was the perfect ending for the original movie I started to make. 2006 01:47:16,764 --> 01:47:17,856 But four years later, 2007 01:47:18,474 --> 01:47:20,727 investigations revealed something strange 2008 01:47:20,809 --> 01:47:23,813 about Lance's blood values in 2009. 2009 01:47:23,896 --> 01:47:26,274 During the Tour, Lance should have seen a decrease 2010 01:47:26,357 --> 01:47:28,109 in the concentration of his red blood cells. 2011 01:47:29,234 --> 01:47:32,113 Instead, there was an increase more than once. 2012 01:47:32,196 --> 01:47:35,541 And just before Ventoux, the day he saved his comeback. 2013 01:47:37,201 --> 01:47:39,203 What happened there with Ventoux 2014 01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:41,372 is kind of what happened with his life. 2015 01:47:41,455 --> 01:47:44,425 Just like when he was a kid and he couldn't do it clean, 2016 01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:47,424 there came a point in 2009 when he couldn't do it clean. 2017 01:47:47,503 --> 01:47:50,882 And I think he'd made that deal again before Ventoux. 2018 01:47:52,049 --> 01:47:54,677 I know what I know, and I know that it was clean. 2019 01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:56,979 We finished the Ventoux. It was a five or six hour day. 2020 01:47:57,054 --> 01:47:58,431 It was hot. It was hard, obviously. 2021 01:47:59,014 --> 01:48:01,608 Immediately in the car, down to the hotel 2022 01:48:01,684 --> 01:48:05,314 and the French guy was there to take the blood draw. 2023 01:48:07,523 --> 01:48:10,993 I've never in my career had blood taken 2024 01:48:11,068 --> 01:48:13,992 at the end of a day, at the end of a stage like that. 2025 01:48:14,071 --> 01:48:15,163 It does not happen. 2026 01:48:15,739 --> 01:48:16,740 Why? 2027 01:48:17,533 --> 01:48:18,785 Because it's normal and natural 2028 01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:20,665 that when the body goes through stress like that, 2029 01:48:20,744 --> 01:48:25,966 the body is obviously, if not very dehydrated, extremely dehydrated. 2030 01:48:26,875 --> 01:48:29,845 It's not what they would call "steady state." 2031 01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,515 And I think that's common knowledge and common science. 2032 01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:35,467 It's not a fair number. 2033 01:48:36,301 --> 01:48:39,680 You know, he still swears to me that he didn't. 2034 01:48:39,763 --> 01:48:42,733 We've talked about this and I tell him, 2035 01:48:42,850 --> 01:48:45,774 "That's really a tough one to believe." 2036 01:48:51,984 --> 01:48:54,203 It was tough for me to believe, too, 2037 01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:56,538 since Lance had lied to me so often. 2038 01:48:56,613 --> 01:49:00,208 But he was adamant he did not dope in 2009. 2039 01:49:01,368 --> 01:49:03,712 Why was Lance hanging on to this one? 2040 01:49:03,787 --> 01:49:06,381 Could it possibly be true? 2041 01:49:06,457 --> 01:49:09,802 Or was the comeback a new lie to replace the old one? 2042 01:49:10,961 --> 01:49:14,556 Armstrong was in a position of saying, 2043 01:49:14,631 --> 01:49:15,928 "Look, I'm gonna do what I did in '99. 2044 01:49:16,008 --> 01:49:17,476 "I'm gonna come in in the wake of this. 2045 01:49:17,551 --> 01:49:19,005 "I'm gonna clean up my name. 2046 01:49:19,006 --> 01:49:20,806 "I'm gonna prove that I'm doing it clean." 2047 01:49:22,514 --> 01:49:26,189 It's like a bank robber breaking back into the bank again 2048 01:49:26,268 --> 01:49:27,815 with everyone watching, 2049 01:49:28,145 --> 01:49:29,442 feeling he would get away with it. 2050 01:49:29,563 --> 01:49:30,860 Feeling sure he would get away with it. 2051 01:49:31,023 --> 01:49:33,071 Lance Armstrong! 2052 01:49:44,828 --> 01:49:47,172 Maybe this is why they came after you. 2053 01:49:47,247 --> 01:49:51,753 It's almost like you were daring them to look under the hood. 2054 01:49:51,835 --> 01:49:52,961 And they did. 2055 01:49:57,341 --> 01:50:00,311 We now know that the comeback was not a new beginning, 2056 01:50:00,385 --> 01:50:02,433 but the beginning of the end. 2057 01:50:02,513 --> 01:50:04,982 Yet at the time, in the fading sun of Paris, 2058 01:50:05,057 --> 01:50:08,812 Lance imagined the start of a new chapter to his mythic story. 2059 01:50:11,105 --> 01:50:12,778 And I'll be back next year. 2060 01:50:15,776 --> 01:50:17,699 And then maybe we'll really win. 2061 01:50:27,746 --> 01:50:30,340 In 2010, Lance did not win. 2062 01:50:30,541 --> 01:50:32,214 He finished 23rd. 2063 01:50:33,043 --> 01:50:35,011 Contador won the race and was busted 2064 01:50:35,129 --> 01:50:37,052 for violating doping regulations. 2065 01:50:39,299 --> 01:50:42,098 Did you see Lance Armstrong using performance-enhancing drugs? 2066 01:50:42,177 --> 01:50:43,520 I had, yeah. 2067 01:50:43,595 --> 01:50:46,439 Armstrong's comeback brought all of his enemies out of the woodwork. 2068 01:50:47,057 --> 01:50:50,561 The first to come forward was Lance's old teammate Floyd Landis. 2069 01:50:50,853 --> 01:50:52,981 Yes. I saw Lance Armstrong using drugs. 2070 01:50:53,063 --> 01:50:54,565 I'd remind everybody that this is a man 2071 01:50:54,731 --> 01:50:56,233 that's been under oath several times 2072 01:50:56,316 --> 01:50:57,488 and had a very different version. 2073 01:50:57,568 --> 01:51:00,572 This is a man that wrote a book for profit 2074 01:51:01,196 --> 01:51:02,493 that had a completely different version. 2075 01:51:02,573 --> 01:51:05,292 If you said, "Give me one word to sum this all up." 2076 01:51:05,367 --> 01:51:06,664 Credibility. 2077 01:51:06,743 --> 01:51:08,791 And there's... 2078 01:51:08,871 --> 01:51:11,420 Floyd lost his credibility a long time ago. 2079 01:51:11,498 --> 01:51:15,548 In the hubbub over Landis, a new name surfaced: Jeff Novitzky. 2080 01:51:15,627 --> 01:51:17,379 He had prosecuted Barry Bonds. 2081 01:51:17,462 --> 01:51:20,807 And now, as part of the FDA, he was looking at Armstrong. 2082 01:51:20,883 --> 01:51:23,102 Why would Novitzky have anything to do 2083 01:51:23,218 --> 01:51:25,391 with what an athlete does in Europe? 2084 01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:28,064 Armstrong's team was sponsored by a branch of the federal government, 2085 01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:29,141 the US Postal Service. 2086 01:51:29,391 --> 01:51:32,190 It may have involved transfers of controlled substances. 2087 01:51:32,269 --> 01:51:34,021 It may have money laundering, tax evasion, 2088 01:51:34,104 --> 01:51:35,902 bribing foreign officials. 2089 01:51:35,981 --> 01:51:37,233 Doping is not illegal, 2090 01:51:37,316 --> 01:51:40,035 but it's everything that happens around doping 2091 01:51:40,485 --> 01:51:45,241 that federal investigators wanted to try and use to prosecute a crime. 2092 01:51:45,490 --> 01:51:47,618 They started subpoenaing cyclists, one by one. 2093 01:51:48,202 --> 01:51:49,670 Assistants, wives. 2094 01:51:50,662 --> 01:51:52,414 Jeff Novitzky called me. 2095 01:51:52,789 --> 01:51:54,837 I said, "What's taken you so long to call me?" 2096 01:51:54,958 --> 01:51:58,087 "Well, I... These things take time." 2097 01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:59,843 I said, "Do you have a pen and paper on hand?" 2098 01:51:59,922 --> 01:52:02,141 And he said, "Yeah." I said, "Let's get to work." 2099 01:52:02,424 --> 01:52:04,017 As the investigation continued, 2100 01:52:04,092 --> 01:52:07,767 another cyclist who had been busted for doping, Tyler Hamilton, 2101 01:52:07,846 --> 01:52:10,224 began to consider his options. 2102 01:52:10,307 --> 01:52:13,186 Tyler had been Lance's teammate in 1999. 2103 01:52:13,977 --> 01:52:17,231 Tyler had been subpoenaed by the grand jury, and he had a realization. 2104 01:52:17,314 --> 01:52:19,362 Number one was, all this is gonna come out one way or the other. 2105 01:52:19,441 --> 01:52:21,318 The lie is too big. 2106 01:52:21,401 --> 01:52:23,904 And the second thing was that he wanted to tell his story. 2107 01:52:23,987 --> 01:52:28,163 You saw Lance Armstrong inject EPO? 2108 01:52:28,825 --> 01:52:30,418 Yeah, like, we all did. 2109 01:52:31,954 --> 01:52:36,334 And you see in that footage Tyler's intense discomfort 2110 01:52:36,416 --> 01:52:39,295 at facing the truth, how hard that was. 2111 01:52:39,378 --> 01:52:43,133 Omert� is very real, the code of silence, which is why it took Tyler 2112 01:52:43,215 --> 01:52:47,140 until he was talking to someone who had a badge and a gun 2113 01:52:47,219 --> 01:52:51,099 before he could fully start the process of telling the truth. 2114 01:52:51,306 --> 01:52:52,603 It seemed like the dam broke 2115 01:52:52,683 --> 01:52:55,277 when suddenly somebody shows up with a badge and a gun. 2116 01:52:55,352 --> 01:52:56,774 Different ball game. 2117 01:52:56,853 --> 01:52:59,322 That was never even a thought in my mind 2118 01:52:59,398 --> 01:53:01,651 going, "Well, I'm just gonna go lie to 2119 01:53:01,775 --> 01:53:03,994 "a federal prosecutor." It's, like, no way. 2120 01:53:05,821 --> 01:53:08,370 Early in 2012, an election year, 2121 01:53:08,991 --> 01:53:11,665 the Department of Justice made a surprising announcement. 2122 01:53:11,743 --> 01:53:14,667 It would not pursue charges against Armstrong. 2123 01:53:14,746 --> 01:53:17,590 But USADA, the US Anti-Doping Agency, 2124 01:53:17,666 --> 01:53:19,668 continued with its own investigation. 2125 01:53:20,252 --> 01:53:23,847 He was one of the ringleaders of this conspiracy 2126 01:53:23,922 --> 01:53:26,550 that pulled off this grand heist 2127 01:53:27,050 --> 01:53:30,020 using tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, 2128 01:53:30,095 --> 01:53:33,224 defrauded millions of sports fans and his fellow competitors. 2129 01:53:34,349 --> 01:53:37,023 Travis Tygart, with help from government investigators, 2130 01:53:37,102 --> 01:53:41,027 pried detailed testimony from many of Lance's former teammates. 2131 01:53:41,106 --> 01:53:44,827 Landis, Vaughters, Hamilton, Andrea, 2132 01:53:44,901 --> 01:53:46,995 and most damaging of all to Lance, 2133 01:53:47,112 --> 01:53:49,240 his loyal friend, George Hincapie. 2134 01:53:49,740 --> 01:53:53,586 They said, "Cooperate, and you'll get six months." 2135 01:53:54,619 --> 01:53:56,212 - Right. - Yeah. 2136 01:53:56,288 --> 01:53:58,040 And don't cooperate? 2137 01:53:58,123 --> 01:54:00,251 And you're banned for life. 2138 01:54:01,209 --> 01:54:04,588 Through his lawyers, Lance attacked Tygart and USADA. 2139 01:54:04,671 --> 01:54:06,173 USADA had said publicly 2140 01:54:06,256 --> 01:54:09,385 that they had offered Lance the same deal as everyone else. 2141 01:54:09,468 --> 01:54:12,893 It's a claim Armstrong and his lawyers deny. 2142 01:54:13,013 --> 01:54:15,186 The message wasn't, "Hey, we gotta give you something. 2143 01:54:15,265 --> 01:54:18,144 "We gotta give you six months. We gotta give you a penalty, a sanction." 2144 01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,188 That did not happen. 2145 01:54:21,271 --> 01:54:24,866 The call to me came and said, "You're screwed. 2146 01:54:24,941 --> 01:54:26,943 "Why don't you come on in here and confess?" 2147 01:54:27,486 --> 01:54:30,160 But I don't understand then why go tell the world, 2148 01:54:30,238 --> 01:54:32,286 every opportunity you get today 2149 01:54:32,366 --> 01:54:33,583 that we offered Lance the same deal 2150 01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:34,917 that we offered everybody else? 2151 01:54:35,118 --> 01:54:37,746 Just say, "We wanted him. We got him. 2152 01:54:38,747 --> 01:54:40,715 "Go dance on his grave." 2153 01:54:43,377 --> 01:54:45,220 USADA banned Armstrong for life. 2154 01:54:46,004 --> 01:54:48,803 His sponsors and Livestrong cut all ties. 2155 01:54:49,299 --> 01:54:52,678 The UCI stripped him of all his Tour de France titles 2156 01:54:52,761 --> 01:54:56,140 and his third-place finish in 2009. 2157 01:54:57,015 --> 01:54:59,609 Armstrong responded with a defiant tweet. 2158 01:55:05,649 --> 01:55:07,868 I know what it took to win those Tours. 2159 01:55:08,276 --> 01:55:10,699 Okay, it was a little more detailed 2160 01:55:10,821 --> 01:55:13,290 than we were told, or you guys were told. 2161 01:55:14,324 --> 01:55:17,828 But I know what it took, and my teammates know what it took. 2162 01:55:17,911 --> 01:55:20,585 And those 200-strong pelotons over seven years, they know what it took. 2163 01:55:20,664 --> 01:55:22,086 And they know who won. 2164 01:55:22,165 --> 01:55:25,590 Did Lance win it according to the rules of the road at that time? 2165 01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:28,889 Yeah. But did Lance win it according to the rules? 2166 01:55:28,964 --> 01:55:30,432 No. He still broke the rules. 2167 01:55:30,507 --> 01:55:32,680 Just because everybody's breaking the rules doesn't mean it's okay. 2168 01:55:34,136 --> 01:55:36,764 Lance still refused to admit to doping, 2169 01:55:36,847 --> 01:55:39,726 but his fans no longer believed in his denials. 2170 01:55:40,517 --> 01:55:42,815 With his fairy tale story in tatters, 2171 01:55:42,894 --> 01:55:45,397 Lance reached out to friends and critics alike 2172 01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:49,610 and began to wonder out loud if he should at last admit to his lie. 2173 01:55:50,318 --> 01:55:55,165 After 10 years of his tirade on me, he called to say he was sorry. 2174 01:55:57,909 --> 01:56:00,207 I still get emotional. It was... 2175 01:56:02,122 --> 01:56:04,966 It took a lot of courage for him to say he was sorry 2176 01:56:06,376 --> 01:56:09,596 and for him to tell me 2177 01:56:09,671 --> 01:56:13,221 he's done a lot of bad things to good people. 2178 01:56:13,300 --> 01:56:15,678 I said, "I'm sure this was a tough phone call for you to make, 2179 01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,104 "and I'm sure that these last two months have been hell for you." 2180 01:56:18,180 --> 01:56:21,855 But I said, "You know what? You've put me through hell for 10 years." 2181 01:56:21,933 --> 01:56:23,560 I said, "You're going through nothing. 2182 01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:26,404 "I hope you do the right thing." 2183 01:56:27,731 --> 01:56:30,701 He started calling me and we got to talk 2184 01:56:30,775 --> 01:56:35,246 about how his secrets were gonna be given to the world. 2185 01:56:36,615 --> 01:56:40,040 His decision to go on Oprah did not win back his fans, 2186 01:56:40,118 --> 01:56:42,997 particularly those who had defended his lie. 2187 01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:45,207 For the cycling crowd, it wasn't enough. 2188 01:56:45,290 --> 01:56:46,837 They didn't hear enough. They wanted to hear more. 2189 01:56:46,917 --> 01:56:50,512 I didn't say enough. I didn't tell them enough. 2190 01:56:50,587 --> 01:56:52,760 And for the general population, it was too much. 2191 01:56:53,256 --> 01:56:55,600 Which leads to everybody being pissed off. 2192 01:56:55,675 --> 01:56:57,723 Because he had lied for so long 2193 01:56:57,802 --> 01:57:03,434 and he was so vicious in protecting that lie, 2194 01:57:04,142 --> 01:57:05,143 um... 2195 01:57:05,685 --> 01:57:08,108 I don't think people were... 2196 01:57:08,188 --> 01:57:09,861 I really think that people said, 2197 01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:12,443 "Okay, wait. Let's see what he does. 2198 01:57:12,526 --> 01:57:15,405 "Just because he says this stuff 2199 01:57:15,529 --> 01:57:18,373 "does not mean everything is gonna be okay." 2200 01:57:18,448 --> 01:57:20,792 We understand now that if you wanted to win 2201 01:57:20,909 --> 01:57:23,207 or if you wanted to help someone win 2202 01:57:23,286 --> 01:57:26,586 or if you wanted to make a good living, you had to dope in that era. 2203 01:57:26,665 --> 01:57:28,633 We understand that now. 2204 01:57:28,708 --> 01:57:32,212 And I think people would give him that context, 2205 01:57:32,295 --> 01:57:34,013 but it's the lie. 2206 01:57:34,089 --> 01:57:38,720 The doping is bad, but Lance's abuse of power is worse. 2207 01:57:38,969 --> 01:57:41,347 I see the anger in people. 2208 01:57:41,846 --> 01:57:44,895 And they have every right to feel betrayed. 2209 01:57:47,269 --> 01:57:48,395 And it's my fault. 2210 01:57:48,979 --> 01:57:50,822 Yet after all the revelations, 2211 01:57:50,897 --> 01:57:53,241 Lance would continue to hold onto one thing. 2212 01:57:53,316 --> 01:57:56,365 Was Betsy telling the truth about the Indiana hospital? 2213 01:57:57,821 --> 01:57:59,448 I'm not gonna take that on. 2214 01:57:59,531 --> 01:58:01,579 I'm laying down on that one. 2215 01:58:01,741 --> 01:58:03,334 Was Betsy lying? 2216 01:58:04,995 --> 01:58:06,542 I'm just not... 2217 01:58:07,831 --> 01:58:09,879 The hospital room is where it all began. 2218 01:58:09,958 --> 01:58:13,588 It all started at that damn hospital room. 2219 01:58:13,670 --> 01:58:15,468 And he just... 2220 01:58:17,382 --> 01:58:20,101 He was there. I know the truth. He knows the truth. 2221 01:58:20,176 --> 01:58:21,928 If it's complicated for him to say 2222 01:58:22,053 --> 01:58:23,805 that it happened, then fine. I understand that. 2223 01:58:23,888 --> 01:58:25,561 But at this point... 2224 01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,644 It doesn't really matter what happened in that hospital room. 2225 01:58:28,727 --> 01:58:30,149 Doesn't matter at all anymore. 2226 01:58:30,687 --> 01:58:34,191 But its symbolic weight is enormous. 2227 01:58:35,317 --> 01:58:36,364 It's not about doping anymore. 2228 01:58:36,443 --> 01:58:38,491 That's out there. That's the least of his problems. 2229 01:58:38,570 --> 01:58:40,664 He has a support group that's around him 2230 01:58:40,739 --> 01:58:43,288 that have protected him for years and years and years. 2231 01:58:43,366 --> 01:58:47,337 And now, if he comes out, he throws a lot of them under the bus. 2232 01:58:47,412 --> 01:58:50,541 He's not ready. I don't think he's ready for the entire truth. 2233 01:58:50,832 --> 01:58:53,756 He just can't stand to lose. 2234 01:58:54,336 --> 01:58:57,886 He'll go to any length if he decides he's not gonna lose. 2235 01:58:58,673 --> 01:59:00,892 I think the stakes are enormous 2236 01:59:00,967 --> 01:59:04,062 for him really coming to terms with what he did. 2237 01:59:04,846 --> 01:59:09,522 Did you feel in any way that you were cheating? 2238 01:59:10,602 --> 01:59:11,649 No. 2239 01:59:11,728 --> 01:59:14,072 You did not feel that you were cheating? 2240 01:59:14,939 --> 01:59:15,986 At the time, no. 2241 01:59:16,066 --> 01:59:18,740 Psychologically, when you tell that lie for that long 2242 01:59:18,818 --> 01:59:22,072 over and over and over and people are believing it, 2243 01:59:22,155 --> 01:59:24,578 it's very, very difficult, if not impossible, 2244 01:59:24,658 --> 01:59:26,501 to fully reckon with that right away. 2245 01:59:26,618 --> 01:59:28,962 - I kept hearing, you know, I'm a... - That you're a cheat. 2246 01:59:29,245 --> 01:59:31,839 I'm a drug cheat. I'm a cheat. I'm a cheater. 2247 01:59:31,915 --> 01:59:34,885 And I went and looked up the definition of "cheat." 2248 01:59:35,251 --> 01:59:36,844 Yes? 2249 01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:40,800 And the definition of cheat is "to gain an advantage on a rival or foe." 2250 01:59:40,882 --> 01:59:43,681 You know, that they don't have, or that, you know... 2251 01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:44,977 I didn't view it that way. 2252 01:59:47,681 --> 01:59:51,185 GIBNEY: Another definition for cheat is "to deceive." 2253 01:59:51,267 --> 01:59:54,020 That's why Lance is a cheater. 2254 01:59:54,104 --> 01:59:55,651 He deceived his fans. 2255 01:59:55,730 --> 01:59:59,234 Yet it's also fair to say that they were willing to be fooled. 2256 01:59:59,442 --> 02:00:02,241 So many people, from cancer survivors, 2257 02:00:02,362 --> 02:00:05,115 to reporters, to sponsors, to myself 2258 02:00:05,198 --> 02:00:08,873 loved the beautiful lie more than the ugly truth. 2259 02:00:08,952 --> 02:00:11,375 The story was a bestseller for Lance, too. 2260 02:00:11,454 --> 02:00:14,958 It made him a fortune of over $125 million. 2261 02:00:16,334 --> 02:00:18,177 That is a bitter truth. 2262 02:00:18,253 --> 02:00:20,847 It pays to believe in winning at all costs. 2263 02:00:20,922 --> 02:00:23,926 And the cruelty Lance showed his enemies off the bike 2264 02:00:24,008 --> 02:00:27,478 was the very thing that allowed him to win on the bike. 2265 02:00:31,266 --> 02:00:34,190 People will forgive and forget and move on, or they won't. 2266 02:00:34,269 --> 02:00:36,943 And there will be plenty of the latter. 2267 02:00:37,021 --> 02:00:38,068 Sure. 2268 02:00:38,148 --> 02:00:41,243 You know, at some point people will say, "Okay, here's what happened." 2269 02:00:41,317 --> 02:00:46,073 And then judge for themselves. 2270 02:00:46,156 --> 02:00:49,285 I mean, I don't know what people will think in 20, 30, 40, 50 years. 2271 02:00:49,367 --> 02:00:51,415 Is the record book still gonna be blank for seven years? 2272 02:00:51,494 --> 02:00:54,998 I guess it will be. I don't know. 2273 02:00:55,081 --> 02:00:56,754 Or do people go... 2274 02:00:57,751 --> 02:01:00,971 They look at this thing, in the context that it is 2275 02:01:02,464 --> 02:01:05,809 and say, "Well, yeah. 2276 02:01:07,093 --> 02:01:09,846 "He won the Tour de France seven times." 2277 02:03:19,047 --> 02:03:25,047 Published 02/13/2014 @ www.podnapisi.net 194576

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