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When we first moved here in March of 2020...

the very first time that I saw something in the sky,

I really hesitated to say anything to anybody.

But it happened repetitively, maybe three, four times,

before I mentioned it to somebody down in Dublin.

They said, "Well, you know that this place is famous for that."

Do you know who Ezekiel was?

Prophet?

- Ezekiel was a prophet. You're right. - Mm-hmm.

And it was a long time ago, all right?

As a Homeland Security consultant,

I do a lot of threat analyst work, uh, for the government.

I've seen the government flat-out lie.

Where I was standing in the location they were lying about.

What I am seeing here is similar

to sightings that they had by the guys in the Air Force.

Whoa! Got it!

It's the movement that catches your attention,

that fast movement.

That's exactly how we're seeing it here.

- Ah, jeez. - I know, right? Spooky.

It's something otherworldly. There's no other way to describe that.

"And the star they had seen guided them to Bethlehem."

One of the reasons why a lot of people don't believe

is because they haven't seen it,

and it messes with their concept of who we are in relation to the universe.

...and it guided them, so it knew where it was going.

- Right? - Mm-hmm.

That mean... That means it was...

UFO.

UFO.

Do I believe there's life on other planets? Yes.

But I don't think these are people from another planet.

I still think these are what people called angels.

I think they're messengers.

I mean, I'm dying to know what they've got to say.

From the beginning of recorded time,

men have been seeing unexplainable things in the sky.

Are we alone in the universe?

Somewhere in the data will be something worth real inquiry.

We have not been hiding anything.

There are such things as interplanetary spaceships.

I thought it was an alien, and he had big eyes.

There's something profoundly important going on here

that is authentic and real.

How much of your work is classified?

All of it.

Eh, all of... Everything I did, all day long, was classified.

All of it.

{an8}My name is Matthew Roberts.

{an8}I was a cryptologic technician in the US Navy for 16 years.

I was present on the USS Theodore Roosevelt

for the Gimbal event.

{an8}Look at that thing, dude.

{an8}So, uh...

{an8}... that was the first time I saw the Gimbal footage.

- Well, if there's... - Look at this thing!

It's rotating.

I don't... I can't even describe the shape.

I mean, it looks a little bit disc-like.

It's flying along,

and then it kind of tilts up onto its side.

I was watching this footage,

and I could see no kind of aviation surfaces

that you would expect to see.

Wings, tail, you know, rudder.

There's none of that.

So I couldn't really make sense

of why this thing was kind of up in the air like it was.

And...

I just...

I had this kind of emotional response to it.

And I... At the time, I didn't understand that. Um...

I knew that it wasn't ours, right?

I knew that it wasn't anybody else's. Uh...

So, I mean, that only leaves... one other option, I think.

- Which is what? - And that's non-human tech.

Non-human intelligence technology.

Because my job was classified, and I had access to classified, um...

I was kind of aware...

this was not a one-off event for the Navy.

This, uh... These things happen frequently.

All the time.

They happen all the time.

The skies over Stephenville haven't looked the same since a UFO...

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Stephenville, Texas. The milk capital of the world.

They put out quite a bit of milk over there.

Something very strange about this area.

I look at the sky quite often.

Wonder what all's out there. Wonder what we don't know about.

I grew up around here.

Nothing to do in these small towns.

You wanna fight? Sure, go ahead and have a fight.

That same night, we'd go camping or go fishing on the river down there.

So, it was... It's innocent fun. We'd have a good time.

{an8}You know, I've been fascinated with engines of all types

since I can remember.

So much to where I started a trucking company.

And it became quite large, had quite a few people working for me.

I've always owned quite a few motorcycles, boats, airplanes.

Just to see how it all works. It's just simply fascinating.

In 2008, I had a great life.

I had a successful business.

I guess I'd been married 16, 17 years at that time.

Very blessed is all I can say.

But what I saw in the sky that night changed everything.

It'd been a long, cold winter. Bad winter.

That was the first day we had a decent day.

So we came out here to the top of the hill to have a campfire.

It was myself, Mike Odom, and Lance Jones.

Then all of a sudden,

I see some real bright, high-intensity lights,

off to the east, headed our way at a high velocity of speed.

The lights were so bright, it was unlike anything I'd ever seen.

It was almost blinding to look at 'em.

Then what amazed me

is there was no wind noise, no engine noise.

There was silence.

When it came past us, I developed the most peaceful,

easy feeling I think I've ever had in my life.

It was almost like a religious experience.

Like I was at one with whatever it was.

Something I've never had before or since then. It was unreal.

And then another brief second, it just simply disappeared.

It didn't streak off or anything. It just disappeared.

And then you could count, one second, two seconds, three seconds,

and two F-16s came in hot pursuit.

Full afterburner hanging out.

And in my head, I'm wondering,

"Is it War of the Worlds, or what was going on?"

I got in my car, and I went back to my house,

and my wife says, "What happened?"

She could tell I was visibly shaken.

I told her what happened, and she says,

"Whatever you do, don't tell anybody about it."

And she says, "People will think we're crazy."

And I said, "Actually, I don't care what people think about us."

"All I know is what I saw."

That next day, I called the newspaper, Stephenville Empire-Tribune. "ET."

It had been a slow news day, the day that the UFO story broke.

Angelia Joiner was in the newsroom,

and she had gotten a call from Steve Allen.

And he was a local pilot,

and then he told her that he saw something strange in the sky.

He said something like, "Okay, I really need to tell you something,

but I don't want you to think I'm crazy."

{an8}And he began telling me a story that, uh, I found pretty incredible.

{an8}Angelia had a brief conversation with him and came to my office and said,

{an8}"You'll never believe this, but..."

It was late in the afternoon, and we really had our stories together.

So I was like, "Yeah, sure, check it out."

"We'll talk about it tomorrow when I get to the office."

I grew up in California. I got engaged.

And my husband was in the dairy business, and his family had come out here.

So we got married and we moved.

It was a startling change for me.

As managing editor, I was responsible for all of the content.

I had a lot to prove.

I was the youngest editor

that had ever been hired to be the managing editor of the paper.

I was the second female.

And I was still seen as an outsider.

So, inside, I was dealing with a lot of insecurity, I think.

The next morning, I picked up my paper

and saw "UFO" in huge font across the top of the paper.

I just felt like the wind was just completely knocked out of me.

I thought, "This is the end of my career."

"Steve Allen, Mike Odom, and Lance Jones

were out admiring a beautiful Texas sunset Tuesday evening

when they saw something none of them can explain."

I had a publisher at the time,

and she told Angelia, "You're going with this tonight."

And she changed the whole front page.

She was the boss, the top dog, so she did whatever she wanted.

But I was in charge of the newsroom,

and so I felt like people were gonna question my credibility.

My news judgment.

"The ship wasn't really visible and it was totally silent,

but the lights spanned a mile-and-a-half long

and a mile-and-a-half wide."

That really sent me over the edge.

I mean, aside from the headline, just "the ship."

Like, we were naturally assuming

that this was some kind of a spaceship out there.

When I walked through those doors, I was like a crazy woman. I was furious.

Walking into the publisher's office, and I was screaming and crying.

I mean, like, "You have..." "What have you done?"

She was like, "Well, you're wrong."

"You are... you're absolutely wrong about all of this."

"We've sold out every newspaper in the county."

{an8}When I started reading the story, my brain just goes 100 miles an hour.

{an8}I thought to myself, "Man, what I saw, other people saw it."

You know, "Do I tell anybody? What do I do?"

It was my wife's birthday, and we wanted to rent a movie.

And I came outside to my squad car

to get my credit card.

As I'm walking back,

something caught my attention.

I saw what appeared...

I-I call it a bubble or an orb.

It was a, uh, reddish-orange, fiery-looking color.

Really big.

And I focused in on it.

And that's when I noticed...

my little boy, and he said, "Look, Dad."

There was these bright lights,

flashing, like a pulsating thing.

Like that.

They had spread out.

There was 11 or 12 lights that I was able to count.

All of a sudden,

these things just shoot off at a blazing speed.

Well, it was probably what seemed to be maybe a minute or two, uh,

I hear jets coming.

They were flying in the same direction, the same path as these lights.

You know, I think those jets were the same ones that Steve Allen saw.

After the newspaper came out, I get the call from Lee Roy Gaitan.

I didn't know him at the time,

but he told me his story,

which, time-wise, matched exactly what ours did.

And I said, "Lee Roy, can you help us out with this a little bit?"

And he said, "No, I can't. I'm sorry."

I'm voted in by my peers to protect them,

just like the sheriff is.

What are they gonna think, that I'm one of the guys that said,

"I saw these lights"?

I thought it was gonna ruin me.

And I said, "I understand," but I said, "Come on, Lee Roy."

"I need somebody with a little credibility to add to it."

He said, "I saw something special. You did too."

"And I think the world needs to know."

Somebody like Lee Roy Gaitan has a lot to lose.

I have a lot of respect for him

because when I called, he hesitated a little bit.

Then he said, "No, I think it's important."

He said that, "What we saw was really different."

I just saw some strange lights, traveling at a high rate of speed,

doing some things

that I've never seen anything before in my life.

That was, I think, the first big county official

that she was able to get that went on the record with it.

Gave, really, the stories a lot of credibility.

When I first heard about these reports,

the first thing that went through my mind, "Okay, something significant happened."

Now, as to what happened, at that point, I didn't know.

But it was definitely worth investigating.

My degree's in chemistry.

I was an engineering manager in the semiconductor field.

And for the last 16 years,

{an8}I have spent my time studying the UFO phenomenon.

{an8}And my goal has always been to try to bring science to this subject.

MUFON stands for the Mutual UFO Network.

It's an organization

that investigates UFO sightings.

In 2008,

I was the director of research at MUFON.

And I remember I was monitoring reports as they came in,

and I suddenly saw over 20 reports

in one geographic area, Stephenville and Dublin.

And I knew then that something unusual had happened.

My view at that point in time was, "We need to get there as soon as possible

and investigate this while everyone's memory is fresh."

We were contacted by MUFON, and I'd never heard of MUFON.

But they wanted to set up an investigation.

And so we said, "Well, we've got the Rotary building,

and-and you're welcome to come in here."

I'm chairman of the board of the First National Bank of Dublin.

My grandfather was mayor of Dublin in the '30s.

And then my, um, dad was mayor.

My brother was mayor.

{an8}So, yeah, we've been in Erath County, in this area, for a long time.

Investigators from the Mutual UFO Network

plan to look into the Stephenville sightings this weekend.

I was setting things up, and the guy said, "35 is probably max."

"I don't know if we've ever had that many show up."

We set up 35, 40 chairs there,

and then the door opens up.

And it's like... It just filled up.

Hundreds of people crowded Dublin's Rotary Club

to share their stories.

What I saw was a very large blue light.

These were big, round objects.

You can't see through it. You can't see in it.

It was going so fast, and it didn't make any noise.

The building was packed.

There were people even outside on the sidewalk.

Some of the people who had come, they just turned around and walked off.

They didn't even want to deal with the number of people there.

At least 500 people filled the room.

Witnesses who saw the light.

The MUFON folks were kinda just taken aback

because they've never seen anything like this.

In an extremely small number of cases

will we get a mass sighting like this.

We put all those chairs out,

and there were still people standing around the room.

All right, if I could see a show of hands who the witnesses are.

It was like everybody there had seen something.

We're approaching a hundred people, probably,

that have seen something in regard to this.

The Houston papers are there, the Dallas papers,

the papers from outside of Texas.

The best way I can describe it was a media circus.

The next day or two, we were just inundated

with media from all over the country.

Dozens of people in a small Texas town

are talking about some unexpected visitors.

- Do you guys believe in UFOs? - Yes.

- I think it's possible. - Yes.

I realized that the entire city had totally transformed.

Skies over Stephenville haven't looked the same

since a UFO reportedly made tracks across it January 8th.

Stephenville, the North Texas town,

is swept up in UFO mania.

They had Japanese film crews, Brazilian film crews.

The Japanese film crews asked, "Why does it keep coming to Stephenville?"

Then, jokingly, I said,

"Well, it's the milk capital of the world."

They said, "Oh, they like milk!"

"Da-eerie."

No wonder they're kind of gray and sickly-looking. Vitamin D deficiency.

Got milk?

The high school science club designed a T-shirt and made $4,000.

I can't even believe it.

Aluminum foil hats to ward off alien mind probes.

Nice look, guy.

People are having a good time.

It's the most excitement Stephenville's had in a long time,

so it probably won't end here.

One evening, my husband and I happened to go to dinner,

and it was packed.

And all of a sudden, the TVs came on, and there was... There they were.

They were dancing around, and they were flickering.

Tonight, strange sights in the night skies over Texas

fuel otherworldly questions.

When that came on, there was just a hush. Everybody just was riveted.

Angelia Joiner, staff writer for the Empire-Tribune,

who has talked to several witnesses.

Very similar stories from people that have called in and emailed me.

So I think there's been a lot of consistency in the spottings.

Angelia did not treat this story like it was a fun-and-games story.

She... She took it serious from the very beginning.

After doing the first story, I did get a little spooked.

I thought, "Oh my gosh, this is bigger than...

than what I even dreamed it could be."

It was nice that people were calling me,

going, "Hey, I saw the front page,

and it was saying 'Dublin, '" and it's kinda like, "Wow, that's great!"

But then, at the same time, people... There's some that just love to ridicule.

They love to kinda knock somebody off their horse.

There were some, um, radio stations out of Fort Worth came down and...

and basically just to make fun.

- You know? - They took my job.

They took my wife. But they're not getting my pickup truck.

There was people that showed up just to try to discredit these folks.

When one of those little green monsters starts walking up here,

then I'll believe it.

And so, um, when these sightings started taking place,

we saw it, but we didn't really say a whole lot about it.

It was starting to get a little dark. It was about this time of night.

My friend Kent was telling us this story

about something that he saw a few days before.

I looked up, and I'm saying, "Ah, that's just not normal for me."

He saw this, um... this huge, um...

He called it a Dorito.

Looked like a triangle, or I-I said originally a Dorito.

He, um, stands up, and he's stretching his back,

and all of a sudden, he goes, "They're back."

And I said, "Who's back?"

And he just points.

I see this big, triangular vessel.

But what's amazing is there's no sound.

There is no sound whatsoever.

{an8}I couldn't process what I was seeing because it was huge,

{an8}and you just look and you think...

{an8}"What is that thing?"

And then, all of a sudden, it's gone.

Almost like it just vanished.

I was not scared,

but it was almost where I'm thinking...

beginning to doubt myself.

"Did I even see anything?"

Then it was, like... The next day, it's like...

"Don't tell anybody."

When you sit there and you say, "Yeah, I just saw this... this vessel,"

or, "I saw these lights," well, who do we tell about it?

And if we did, what kind of flak are we gonna take?

What we don't understand, we try to explain,

but our culture is also very open

to accepting things we cannot see or understand.

We do not rely on facts constantly, like here in the US.

The inexplicable does not necessarily mean that it is not reality or fact.

In 2008, what I saw were lights in the sky.

{an8}But the neat thing about it was that when I saw those,

{an8}I remembered they were exactly the same as the first time I saw 'em.

{an8}'Cause I saw them first as a teenager.

We're originally from Mexico.

And for Christmas break, we were getting ready

to travel to Michoacán, in Mexico, with our family.

My mother, the evening before, was on the dairy farm.

And she says, "I was out there feeding the calves,

and these lights were-were appearing up in the sky, like bubbles."

"You know, could it be evil spirits or-or-or something?"

Because we tend to be a very superstitious culture.

And so when she saw those, she was very much startled.

She was afraid.

That next day, we were on our way to travel to Mexico,

we were in our vehicle, already loaded up and-and headed out,

and these lights started coming up.

And then my mom said, "Those are the ones I saw, um, yesterday."

And me and my sister and my other sibling saw those at that time.

It wasn't something that we could explain.

All I know is that what I saw in 1989

was the same thing that, again, I saw in 2008.

We were coming back from Fort Worth, me and my husband,

about this time in the evening.

We could see the lights up in this area.

It was like they would bubble in one spot, then bubble in another spot.

And it was too fast for any-any... any airplane or helicopter to do.

As we're looking up, I'm hanging out the door with my camera

trying to take pictures of it,

but the camera, it just wasn't fast enough to be... to be able to take those pictures.

Then they were gone.

I do believe that when people come to our area, it's for a reason.

If they're here, why are they here?

Today we're-we're gonna be talking about Don Quixote.

Who's familiar with Don Quixote?

I love working with students.

I've always told them, "You have a mind of your own."

You need to see what information A and information B has.

Not going against their parents or going against, uh,

any-any type of doctrine,

but just to be informed.

We was very driven to find out what it was that we saw.

The more we dug into it,

I kept developing more questions than answers.

I don't have enough nerve to call the NAS, the naval air station.

Angelia, she did.

She'd called down there and talked to Maj. Carl Lewis.

I called him to check out,

"Were there F-16s in the area?"

He said, "No, we did not have any F-16s in the area."

The Air Force says none of its planes were in the area

at the time of the sightings.

Angelia told me that.

And he'd come back with all kinds of excuses

what we thought we might have seen.

One excuse was a reflection off of a high-altitude jet airliner.

She says, "What do you think about that?"

And I said, "Is it a reflection off of my shiny white ass?"

I was really worried about Steve Allen.

You could tell he was just haggard.

His wife told me he was on the Internet constantly,

looking for pictures,

trying to find something that looked like what he had seen.

I told my wife that several of us was gon' get in our airplanes

and go look for it.

And she, of course, didn't like that idea.

But, you know, it's like telling a-a kid to do something.

We're gon' do what we want to.

Our first thought was,

we hoped we would find where it was based out of.

It appeared out of nowhere.

So we explored all possibilities. We combed the whole area.

Then on about the third night...

...we was talking to each other on the radio.

I said, "Do you guys ever feel like

you're looking for a needle in a haystack?"

What I saw happen in Steve is the same thing I've seen happen

in a lot of witnesses.

You've got this feeling of control.

And then, suddenly, you see something close to you,

and it does something that is so... impossible

that it just shakes the underpinnings

of what they have always thought the world was.

Ricky Sorrells was deer hunting in these woods

when he says the UFO stopped and hovered just over his head.

And I did just like this, and I could see it. And it...

Ricky Sorrells has a very interesting story.

Ricky actually had a UFO sighting

almost two weeks, roughly, before the Stephenville incident.

I met Ricky personally,

and he told me the story of-of what happened.

He was out deer hunting.

All of a sudden, everything got dark,

like clouds had come overhead.

Well, he looked up, and there was an object above him.

He couldn't tell its size or its shape

because it was so large that it just covered everything above him.

He raised his rifle up and looked at it through the scope,

so he could get a better view of it.

And, uh, he says, "I looked it over, and there was no bolts, no rivets,

and it just seemed seamless all over."

And that's all he could see.

And he says, "I started to go ahead and shoot it,"

but he got to thinking, "That wasn't the smartest thing I'd ever done."

Sorrells didn't want to start an interstellar war.

{an8}And when it took off, it took off so fast, if I would have blinked,

{an8}I would have thought it vanished.

He said, "You know, the amazing thing

is that this huge object that took off at such a high speed,

it should have just sucked me right along with it."

And he said, "There was nothing. No sound, no wind. Nothing."

Somehow that object didn't interact with the atmosphere.

There was one morning, uh, Ricky came to my house,

and Ricky's in tears.

I asked him, "Man, what's going on?"

He said, "Lee Roy, people are harassing me at my own house."

"Who's harassing you?" He said, "I don't know."

He said, "They tell me that they, uh, work for the government."

Ricky was definitely being intimidated.

He found a bullet. It was definitely military-grade.

He thinks they may have left that on purpose

to persuade him not to be speaking about it.

The next thing I know, um, he is calling me.

He said, "Something's going on. Somebody's bothering me."

"I'm having all these helicopters flying over my place."

"They are running my cattle to death."

And he came to me out of concern for my safety.

{an8}Angelia, assuming that Ricky is not nuts,

{an8}uh, what do you make of this?

{an8}Well, I feel that perhaps Ricky might have been singled out,

simply because he was the one that had a daytime sighting.

He had more detail than anyone else,

and I wondered if that might be why he was singled out.

And, suddenly...

Ricky stops talking to everybody.

I think Ricky saw a lot more than what the rest of us saw.

Ricky has said he saw some sort of something inside the aircraft,

and it resembled some sort of insect or maybe even a praying mantis.

I-I-I think that Ricky was possibly approached by someone

and offered a monetary agreement.

They wanted him quiet.

A military colonel called me, one afternoon at my house,

and talked to me about an hour and 45 minutes.

Says, "We've had a lot of discussion about you and what to do with you."

"You're kind of a high-profile guy."

"If you just happened to come up missing, it'd kinda look suspicious."

{an8}They're going against the wind. The wind's 120 knots west.

{an8}Look at that, dude!

I found myself watching the footage over and over again,

almost obsessively.

I had no awareness

of what the upper chain of command was doing with this information.

In 2017, I transferred to the Office of Naval Intelligence.

{an8}I was gonna be an analyst there.

{an8}And, um... shortly after I arrived, I, uh...

I started to have these follow-on experiences

with the phenomenon.

That was, like, the beginning of seeing non-human entities in my room at night.

I would wake up several times a week,

and I would feel my body kind of sliding across the bed.

And I knew that they were taking me.

I woke up 'cause I felt...

a hand grab my arm right here.

So I went to try and raise my hands to my face to wipe the sleep away,

and, uh, I realized I couldn't move.

And I could just see this outline of a shadowy figure with...

you know, a torso, two arms, and a head, standing over me.

When I was in the Navy and I saw this footage,

I knew that there was something out there.

Right? I knew there was something non-human out there.

So I knew when they started showing up in my room

that... a-all of this was real.

I-I-I had the luxury of knowing that I wasn't going crazy.

Right? I knew what it was.

{an8}Whoa! Got it!

{an8}- Woo-hoo! - Roger.

{an8}There's all kinds of sensor evidence, radar evidence.

{an8}I think that there's enough footage

that if they just released all of it and said, "Hey, this is what we have,"

they don't even have to give an explanation.

They can just say, "We don't know. This is what we got."

Um, there would be no... no doubt

as to whether or not the phenomenon is real.

Everyone would know it.

{an8}The US military is now saying

{an8}it was fighter jets, not UFOs, that folks were seeing

{an8}in the Stephenville area earlier this month.

The military now says it was training in the area after all.

Ten F-16s over the Brownwood military operating area.

The military spokesman blames an internal communications error

for giving out false information.

There was no more new sightings.

We were clearly not gonna get an answer from the government or...

on what this could have been.

So unless we have something new and significant to report about it,

we need to get on to other things.

It was a hard thing for Angelia.

She really had a hard time letting go of it

and breaking away from it.

I just couldn't abandon those witnesses.

They were thrust into the limelight just like I was.

Plus, it was shaking them to their very core

about what they had seen.

I had given her an assignment, and I had this feeling

that she wasn't doing it that day, and she left.

And I got on her computer and discovered some emails

that she had sent saying that the newspaper

and the management here, or me, um, specifically,

I'd gotten pressure to shut it down from the government and the city,

and the city officials.

And I was pretty upset about that, 'cause none of that was true.

Very strange story with Angelia.

She came into work one morning, and her computer was gone.

And she says, "Hey, what happened to my computer and my stuff?"

And they told her she didn't work there anymore.

Was it a termination? Yes. But she didn't want to be there.

She wanted to continue this.

And that was a story that I was happy to move on from.

If you look at the UFO phenomenon, for...

It's gone on for 75 years in the modern era.

And yet, today, we still don't know much more than we knew 75 years ago.

That's troubling for many in the field of science

because there's no crystal clear, solid evidence.

And-And that's the mystery of this phenomenon,

is like, "Where is the evidence?"

Three o'clock in the morning,

I'd been out working a moonlighting job in Stephenville.

There's an alarm call at this business.

I went ahead and advised the sheriff's department

that I was close by and would take the call.

And when I get out of the car,

I look and I see a pulsating orb up in the sky.

Got my dashcam and positioned it,

trying to videotape this object.

I took the video home.

Uh, back then, it was VHS, and put it in my player at home.

It was not a clear video.

It was like something was interfering the, uh, quality.

I said, "Man, why is this tape messing up, right now of all times?"

I had never had a problem before that with any video.

After that, I used that camera at least another year and a half,

before I went digital.

Never had a problem like that.

Whatever this thing was,

whoever was responsible for it did not want clear footage of it.

I wanted to find corroboration for the object seen by Lee Roy and Steve,

and all the other witnesses, in Stephenville on January 8th, 2008.

I had the witness statements.

I knew the when and the where

and the direction they were looking.

At the MUFON event, I met a guy from Colorado, Glen Schulze,

and Glen was a former army radar expert.

Anything that flies in the sky is caught with what's called primary radar data.

So I wanted radar data to support what the witnesses had told me.

{an8}The FAA won't volunteer those returns because they say nothing happened.

{an8}So you have to send a Freedom of Information Act request in

and force them to release the data.

I sent FOIAs to every police department,

to every military base.

And the one FOIA that panned out the best was the FOIA to the FAA,

which provided me with radar data

from five different radar antennae across the state of Texas.

Glen Schulze and I went four months to go through the radar data.

Before I went looking for any unknowns, first thing I did was track the F-16s.

Two F-16s came in hot pursuit.

They were flying in the same direction as these lights.

These are the two that flew down to Comanche, Dublin, Stephenville.

So once I identified where the F-16s were,

I went to start looking for objects that did not have transponders.

So I wanted to see everything that was not supposed to be in the sky.

I get to where Steve is.

So I'm looking there, and do I see any unknowns

that are popping up that match what he described?

What I find is radar data

that confirms what Steve Allen and Lee Roy Gaitan have told me.

I came out here to have a campfire,

and all of a sudden, I see some high-intensity lights,

headed at a high velocity of speed.

Steve is located here.

There are two radar points that showed an object moving without a transponder.

When we first saw the ship, it was just a few minutes after 6:00.

The two data points match the time

and the geographical location.

Does its flame-job over Stephenville, just simply disappears.

This is outside of military operating area,

so it should have a transponder

if it is military aircraft, but it doesn't.

In the case of Lee Roy,

I had about five data points on the radar,

indicating there is this object south of his home.

I came outside.

Something caught my attention off-off to the, uh, southwest sky.

All of a sudden, these things just shoot off at a blazing speed.

And they travel, what I say, northeast.

When he says it moves to the northeast,

I get a data point ten seconds later

that's to the northeast and is moving at an extreme rate of speed.

It's not very often that you get radar data

that just corroborates exactly what a witness said

in terms of geographic location and time.

It showed it in black and white that there was something flying out there.

And that the speeds that these things were traveling

are, like, speeds that we cannot do here on Earth.

These stories check out with the radar data.

So there's absolutely no doubt that there's an object in the sky

and that the object that's in the sky does not have a transponder code.

That tells you that you're... you're dealing with something real,

whatever it is.

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If you're interested in UFOs, you might wanna come on out,

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Is any of this stuff real? I don't know. I mean...

I think UFOs are just as real as,

you know, the-the lights in this room or...

or the cameras that are in front of me.

I think that, uh...

I think they are very real. But I think, what is your idea of reality?

That's the question.

You see that the DOD and NASA, even,

they're all hiring physicists

to work on this UFO issue.

And that's not where the truth of this lies.

This lies more within the realm of the humanities,

within the realm of psychology, uh, philosophy,

religious studies.

Um, that's where you're gonna find the truth of this.

No physicist... is gonna be able to tell you what this is.

Because the physicist maybe can tell you how physical matter might behave,

but the humanities will tell you why.

It's not a... It's not a Department of Defense issue.

It's a... It's a human issue is what it is.

And that's why I could not justify being quiet.

I've got eight children.

We homeschool our kids, and we've really seen fruit from that.

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Okay, which one first?

Every day starts out with some type of Bible lesson.

- Ezekiel was a prophet. - Mm-hmm.

- He was in the Old Testament. - In the Old Testament.

So check this out.

"I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the North."

"A great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself,

and brightness was all around it."

"And radiating out of it, the color of amber,

out of the midst of the fire."

What was it that Ezekiel was seeing?

Not the message part. I get the message part.

I wanna know what he saw.

"Behold a wheel...

suddenly came to the earth."

"And the rims were full of..."

Translate this for me.

"...eyes all the way around."

Eyes or lights.

Lights or...

- Anything, really. - Windows or... Right?

{an8}To me, I think that talking about UFOs with my kids, even the littlest ones,

{an8}is making Scripture a lot more real for them

than just a bunch of stories.

This was Switzerland, and some guy just got this on video.

It's a UFO. What does that look like, right there?

- It's a wheel within a wheel. - And that was two days ago.

The Christian populace

does not wanna believe that any of this is real,

because if it does, it changes all of their reality.

You know, then, is the Bible just for us?

Or... Or is it for them too?

That's... A million-dollar question is,

"Where does life and other planets and religion fit together?"

If somebody were to ask me,

"Did God make other...

creatures?", I'd say yes.

When Kent was telling us this story,

I was the typical jerk giving him a hard time, saying,

"Here's a guy that just saw a flying Dorito."

And when we all looked up and saw this thing,

all of a sudden, it-it changed us in a way

that we look at both sides of the story more.

Now when I hear people tell stories of things they see,

I am not a doubting Thomas.

I'm thinking, you know, "They saw something."

"I know they did or why would they be saying this?"

Of course, psychology today would tell you that,

hey, if you're experiencing these things,

you're seeing things in your room at night,

that you're schizophrenic.

Or you have some kind of other severe mental illness.

And, to me, that's not... That's not correct.

That's not right.

When I made the decision to talk about this, to leave the Navy,

I was four years away from retirement,

which would have meant, you know, a pension,

health insurance for the rest of my life.

You know? And I... I left that all on the table.

And I walked away from it

because this isn't just about me, right?

It's not about me at all. It's about all of us.

It's about everybody.

Don Quixote is one of my favorite novels.

And, in it, Don Quixote is a madman.

And everything that he sees, he sees in a different light.

Don Quixote sees these windmills,

but in his mind, they're not, uh...

They're not windmills. They're giants.

We know that we're not mad.

We know that there is something credible to this

because too many people saw these, uh, lights in the sky.

And so, um... We're-We're not...

We're not a Don Quixote. There's-There's more to this.

You can argue, "Well, it was some secret

US black project, right?"

But our technologies don't just suddenly leap

across 100 years of-of technology.

Th-They're gradually created.

In this case, I think whatever people saw was intelligently controlled.

And it was not manufactured by the United States

or any other nation, for that matter.

So, about nine months later,

I was driving my daughter to gymnastics in Dublin,

and I saw... some lights.

I pulled over to the side of the road,

and I just stopped and looked out my front window.

And they kinda were blinking or kinda coming in and out of focus.

And then they kinda came together, cohesively,

and... and just sort of disappeared.

I just was so shaken and so shocked. I thought, "My gosh."

"I'm seeing what everybody's been talking about all this time."

It felt like the universe was sort of playing a trick on me, like...

I balked at this story so hard in the beginning and for so long.

And then, you know, months later, it was sort of like, you know, here it is.

I can't believe all of the wonderful people I've met.

And that's the good of UFO reporting.

I've loved every minute of it,

and I hope that I'm gonna be doing this for a long time.

Thank you.

If I could talk to Angelia again, I would tell her how brave she was

for understanding that there was a story there to be told.

And I certainly wish that, uh, we had parted ways differently if...

My-My biggest regret of all is that.

Our business suffered

because I was chasing the unidentified object that we saw.

So it put an undue strain on our relationship and her as well.

And after 17 years of being together and married,

we ended up getting a divorce.

My relationship suffered. My company suffered. I suffered.

I still consider it a blessing that I did see it,

and it's forever in my mind.

I'm still on my quest, still to this day.

I will find out what happened.

This is a great big open secret.

Nothing I am saying is anything new.

It's just a matter of, are you gonna believe it or not?

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