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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,469 --> 00:00:09,473 There's been a murder. I wouldn't have rung normally, 2 00:00:09,474 --> 00:00:10,476 but this one's unusual. 3 00:00:10,477 --> 00:00:13,480 Fun and games in here. Ray Collins, arrested two and a half years ago 4 00:00:13,481 --> 00:00:16,487 on suspicion of sexual assault of children under 13. 5 00:00:16,988 --> 00:00:19,992 I struggled to cope with the guilt of what he did. 6 00:00:19,993 --> 00:00:21,995 It's a scar that never fades. 7 00:00:21,996 --> 00:00:25,001 We're dealing with two accused yet unconvicted paedophiles, 8 00:00:25,002 --> 00:00:28,006 both attacked with unusual brutality. 9 00:00:28,007 --> 00:00:30,050 This could just be the start. 10 00:00:30,051 --> 00:00:31,372 She's my daughter, 11 00:00:31,373 --> 00:00:34,017 and we will all be scarred by this for the rest of our lives. 12 00:00:34,018 --> 00:00:36,020 She used the same words. 13 00:00:36,021 --> 00:00:41,029 Mr Regis, it is my responsibility to inform you, you are free to go. 14 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:43,033 Revenge diminishes us. 15 00:00:43,034 --> 00:00:46,559 When you decide you have the right to enact your own punishment, 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,043 where does it lead? 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,074 18 00:02:03,175 --> 00:02:04,377 Hi. 19 00:02:04,378 --> 00:02:06,181 Sorry, man. 20 00:02:08,184 --> 00:02:09,186 Did I wake you up? 21 00:02:09,187 --> 00:02:11,549 No, no. No, you're good. 22 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:13,192 I made some coffee. You want some? 23 00:02:13,193 --> 00:02:15,197 Er... Sure. 24 00:02:20,206 --> 00:02:22,208 Do you want some milk? Some sugar? 25 00:02:22,209 --> 00:02:23,211 No, thanks. 26 00:02:27,218 --> 00:02:29,221 So, how're you getting on with Hal? 27 00:02:29,222 --> 00:02:31,224 Erm... 28 00:02:31,225 --> 00:02:32,426 Harry. 29 00:02:32,427 --> 00:02:33,909 Great, man. 30 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:35,231 He's a really good boy. 31 00:02:35,232 --> 00:02:37,235 Yeah. 32 00:02:37,236 --> 00:02:38,237 Yeah, he's great. 33 00:02:38,238 --> 00:02:42,244 They can be hard work, though, sometimes, can't they, kids? 34 00:02:42,245 --> 00:02:43,606 Yeah. 35 00:02:43,607 --> 00:02:47,252 He comes to stay here quite a bit, to give his mum break, 36 00:02:47,253 --> 00:02:52,262 and, I mean, he can be a right little sod. 37 00:02:53,945 --> 00:02:57,271 The amount of times that I have nearly... 38 00:03:00,276 --> 00:03:02,280 You know? 39 00:03:04,284 --> 00:03:06,286 But that's the deal, isn't it? 40 00:03:06,287 --> 00:03:10,294 As a parent, or uncle, or anyone, really, who's in charge of kids. 41 00:03:12,298 --> 00:03:14,301 You've gotta be better than that. 42 00:03:18,308 --> 00:03:20,312 Yeah. 43 00:03:23,317 --> 00:03:26,001 So there's no obvious connection in the three cases at the CPS, 44 00:03:26,002 --> 00:03:29,327 and the lawyers handling the Statham, Collins and Dawlish cases 45 00:03:29,328 --> 00:03:31,330 were all different. And? 46 00:03:31,331 --> 00:03:35,337 And Statham was attacked in early 2015. 47 00:03:35,338 --> 00:03:37,541 Why would the assailant then wait over two years 48 00:03:37,542 --> 00:03:40,346 before attacking two more in as many days? I don't know. 49 00:03:40,347 --> 00:03:41,349 I just... 50 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:44,353 I just think it's significant that all three were attacked in ways 51 00:03:44,354 --> 00:03:47,359 that inflicted fairly uniquely appalling violence. 52 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,402 I'm saying why does it necessarily have to be one person 53 00:03:49,403 --> 00:03:52,368 rather than one idea done by several people? 54 00:03:52,369 --> 00:03:53,370 You got any theories who? 55 00:03:53,371 --> 00:03:56,375 Yeah. I think we have to keep looking at family connections. 56 00:03:56,376 --> 00:03:58,378 Friends of friends, maybe an organised group of vigilantes. 57 00:03:58,379 --> 00:04:01,223 Absolutely. I'm just... 58 00:04:01,224 --> 00:04:05,391 saying, I see a very distinct rage here. 59 00:04:05,392 --> 00:04:06,393 See one or recognise one? 60 00:04:12,404 --> 00:04:14,407 Sorry, that just... 61 00:04:14,408 --> 00:04:15,409 Sorry. 62 00:04:19,096 --> 00:04:23,423 If I'm right, we have a man in jail in Nico Kashell 63 00:04:23,424 --> 00:04:26,428 who can tell us who owns that rage. 64 00:04:26,429 --> 00:04:30,435 Right, I have to go visit my old governor. 65 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:32,438 I've got to be there at three o'clock. 66 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:33,641 In the meantime, can you get me 67 00:04:33,642 --> 00:04:36,446 or can someone get me Kashell's home address, please? 68 00:04:36,447 --> 00:04:38,449 Yeah. Do you want me to set up an interview with his wife? 69 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:40,653 No. Just the address for now. 70 00:04:40,654 --> 00:04:44,460 I could never have done such horrible things to anyone, Lisa. 71 00:04:44,461 --> 00:04:46,464 Let alone a child! 72 00:04:48,468 --> 00:04:51,472 Which is why the case is collapsing, 73 00:04:51,473 --> 00:04:53,477 because I've been the victim of an injustice. 74 00:04:56,482 --> 00:05:01,490 And all I'm asking now is if we could just put the last six months 75 00:05:01,491 --> 00:05:04,496 behind us and get on with the rest of our lives! 76 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:09,505 You know what surprises me more than anything, Mark? 77 00:05:11,509 --> 00:05:13,511 More than you being out, even? 78 00:05:13,512 --> 00:05:16,516 It's you thinking I would ever want to spend 79 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:19,522 a moment more with you than these few minutes now. 80 00:05:19,523 --> 00:05:21,526 I sat in court. 81 00:05:22,528 --> 00:05:24,532 I heard the charges. 82 00:05:26,535 --> 00:05:29,540 I wept for that poor child and her family. 83 00:05:31,544 --> 00:05:36,593 I wished you could go to prison for life. 84 00:05:39,558 --> 00:05:42,564 I'm so ashamed of ever having had any feelings for you. 85 00:05:47,412 --> 00:05:50,578 And I want you to leave, now. 86 00:06:00,595 --> 00:06:02,639 I only wanted a place to kip, anyway. 87 00:06:05,604 --> 00:06:07,608 I'll see you around, Lisa. 88 00:06:11,615 --> 00:06:13,298 I promise you that. 89 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:20,631 Bitch! 90 00:06:49,682 --> 00:06:51,685 Hello, William. 91 00:06:51,686 --> 00:06:53,047 All right, boss? 92 00:06:53,048 --> 00:06:54,691 Hey! 93 00:06:55,693 --> 00:06:57,695 Yeah, yeah. Good to see you. 94 00:06:57,696 --> 00:06:59,700 All right. Don't overdo it. 95 00:07:00,742 --> 00:07:02,705 In you go. Thank you. 96 00:07:04,709 --> 00:07:08,715 Sorry about the, er... mess. 97 00:07:08,716 --> 00:07:10,718 I was never one for the old domesticity. 98 00:07:10,719 --> 00:07:12,401 Sandra used to do all that. 99 00:07:12,402 --> 00:07:13,724 Yeah. Sorry to hear about that. 100 00:07:13,725 --> 00:07:14,766 Yeah, well... 101 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:17,410 They all piss off in the end, don't they? 102 00:07:17,411 --> 00:07:19,734 Can hardly blame them, really, can we? 103 00:07:19,735 --> 00:07:20,737 Coffee? 104 00:07:20,737 --> 00:07:21,739 Er, no. 105 00:07:21,740 --> 00:07:23,741 Tea? No, I'm fine, honestly. 106 00:07:23,742 --> 00:07:24,744 Little sharpener. 107 00:07:24,745 --> 00:07:27,750 I have to be back in town at five, so... 108 00:07:34,762 --> 00:07:36,765 How are you? 109 00:07:36,766 --> 00:07:38,808 Yeah, I'm-I'm good. 110 00:07:38,809 --> 00:07:42,455 Two years clear now, so fingers crossed. 111 00:07:42,456 --> 00:07:44,299 It's great to hear that. 112 00:07:46,783 --> 00:07:47,785 Sit. 113 00:07:53,475 --> 00:07:55,798 So... fire away. 114 00:07:55,799 --> 00:07:57,802 You wanted to hear about the Statham case. 115 00:07:57,803 --> 00:07:58,804 Yeah. 116 00:07:58,805 --> 00:08:01,007 Yeah, I just want to see if there's a link 117 00:08:01,008 --> 00:08:02,811 between that and two new cases. 118 00:08:02,812 --> 00:08:05,816 One GBH, one murder, both known convicted paedophiles. 119 00:08:05,817 --> 00:08:06,819 A link? 120 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:07,820 Yeah. 121 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:11,346 What, you mean... It can't be the perpetrator. 122 00:08:11,347 --> 00:08:13,830 Statham's man's doing an eight-stretch, isn't he? 123 00:08:13,831 --> 00:08:14,833 Nico Kashell, yeah. 124 00:08:14,834 --> 00:08:17,838 Actually, if we can... if we can come back to him. 125 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,686 First, I just want to ask you, why do you think the CPS 126 00:08:22,687 --> 00:08:24,850 didn't prosecute Statham for the sexual assault? 127 00:08:24,851 --> 00:08:27,855 Well, the evidence wasn't brilliant. 128 00:08:27,856 --> 00:08:30,900 Why waste time trying to convict a 30-70 case 129 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:34,226 when you can convict half a dozen 80-20 cases for the same money? 130 00:08:34,227 --> 00:08:35,870 OK. 131 00:08:38,875 --> 00:08:40,879 And in terms of Kashell... 132 00:08:41,881 --> 00:08:44,564 do you think it was definitely him 133 00:08:44,565 --> 00:08:45,888 who attacked Statham? 134 00:08:46,890 --> 00:08:47,891 He confessed, Will. 135 00:08:47,892 --> 00:08:49,894 Yeah, but, you know, 136 00:08:49,895 --> 00:08:51,897 people confess for all sorts of reasons, don't they? 137 00:08:51,898 --> 00:08:53,902 It's not always cos they did it. 138 00:08:55,905 --> 00:09:02,917 His car was photographed half a mile from Statham's house 139 00:09:02,918 --> 00:09:04,600 an hour before the attack. 140 00:09:04,601 --> 00:09:05,922 We found carpet fibres 141 00:09:05,923 --> 00:09:08,767 similar to the carpet found in Statham's house 142 00:09:08,768 --> 00:09:10,771 inside Kashell's car. 143 00:09:10,772 --> 00:09:12,936 On the passenger side. 144 00:09:17,944 --> 00:09:22,311 I'm not saying that he wasn't involved in some way. 145 00:09:22,312 --> 00:09:23,955 I just... 146 00:09:25,157 --> 00:09:27,962 I don't buy him being the actual assailant. 147 00:09:28,964 --> 00:09:34,013 His little girl had been raped by this man. 148 00:09:35,656 --> 00:09:37,980 He destroyed their lives. 149 00:09:38,982 --> 00:09:40,984 And the rage? 150 00:09:40,985 --> 00:09:43,990 Well, the rage he felt when they dropped the charges - 151 00:09:43,991 --> 00:09:45,994 the rage we all felt... 152 00:09:48,999 --> 00:09:52,005 I believe 100% he could have done what he did. 153 00:09:58,015 --> 00:10:01,021 Give it up, fella. 154 00:10:03,024 --> 00:10:07,232 Cos the shape, the order you're looking for... 155 00:10:09,035 --> 00:10:10,037 doesn't exist. 156 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,045 The world is random... 157 00:10:16,047 --> 00:10:18,050 chaotic... 158 00:10:18,051 --> 00:10:20,054 and cruel. 159 00:10:21,256 --> 00:10:24,061 And you know that better than most. 160 00:10:28,069 --> 00:10:30,071 'Guv, it's Josie. 161 00:10:30,072 --> 00:10:32,075 'I've just texted you the Kashell home address, 162 00:10:32,076 --> 00:10:33,077 'but his wife's not back until six.' 163 00:10:33,078 --> 00:10:35,122 'Let me know if you want me to set up an interview.' 164 00:12:10,054 --> 00:12:13,739 If Kashell's wife had known I was coming, she could have wiped it. 165 00:12:13,740 --> 00:12:16,385 Wiped what? You don't even know there's anything on it. 166 00:12:17,387 --> 00:12:20,391 If I'm right, and Kashell is doing someone else's time, 167 00:12:20,392 --> 00:12:22,234 then his wife must have known. 168 00:12:22,235 --> 00:12:24,398 My guess is she would have been in on it, 169 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,402 so emails, address books, contacts are a good place to start. 170 00:12:26,403 --> 00:12:28,405 Except anything you find you won't be able to use 171 00:12:28,406 --> 00:12:30,409 cos you got the information illegally. 172 00:12:30,410 --> 00:12:33,414 Josie, there are going to be more deaths unless we catch the killer, 173 00:12:33,415 --> 00:12:34,417 so does that really matter? 174 00:12:34,417 --> 00:12:35,419 Yes. 175 00:12:36,421 --> 00:12:38,463 Fine. I'll do it myself. 176 00:12:38,464 --> 00:12:40,428 OK, fine. I'll do it. 177 00:12:45,437 --> 00:12:47,439 I need to speak to the brief from the CPS 178 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,284 who handled the Statham case. Can you set up a meeting? 179 00:12:50,285 --> 00:12:51,447 Yeah. 180 00:13:14,167 --> 00:13:16,490 So I went through all her contacts, and not surprisingly, 181 00:13:16,491 --> 00:13:19,496 there was no number listed under Debbie Collins or Gail Watkins. 182 00:13:19,497 --> 00:13:22,501 I went back and tried the initials DC and GW, 183 00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:24,505 and that's when I found a number for a Derek Collier. 184 00:13:24,506 --> 00:13:26,508 Did you ring it? And? 185 00:13:26,509 --> 00:13:27,511 Debbie Collins answered. 186 00:13:29,514 --> 00:13:31,517 Yes! 187 00:13:31,518 --> 00:13:32,520 Ha! 188 00:13:34,203 --> 00:13:36,366 Was there any Gail Watkins connection? 189 00:13:36,367 --> 00:13:37,529 Not that I've found yet. 190 00:13:38,530 --> 00:13:41,536 So you think it was actually them together, or...? 191 00:13:42,538 --> 00:13:44,740 We'll have to run down both their alibis, 192 00:13:44,741 --> 00:13:47,545 but it seems unlikely, doesn't it? 193 00:13:47,546 --> 00:13:50,551 I mean, they're both small women physically. 194 00:13:50,552 --> 00:13:53,557 I doubt even together they could have overpowered any of those men. 195 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,561 It's not impossible, I guess. 196 00:13:56,562 --> 00:13:58,566 Maybe they paid someone. 197 00:13:59,568 --> 00:14:02,572 Maybe, but maybe they didn't want money. 198 00:14:02,573 --> 00:14:05,778 Maybe a sense of justice done was enough. 199 00:14:05,779 --> 00:14:07,581 Justice done for who? 200 00:14:07,582 --> 00:14:11,588 For the families, yeah, but why would someone else do that for them, 201 00:14:11,589 --> 00:14:13,952 commit such brutal assaults? 202 00:14:13,953 --> 00:14:15,596 Cos they could. 203 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,964 Cos they were unhinged. 204 00:14:22,648 --> 00:14:25,133 Cos they understood that pain. 205 00:14:33,628 --> 00:14:35,630 'It had nothing to do with a lack of evidence.' 206 00:14:35,631 --> 00:14:39,638 If we think any case stands half a decent chance of success, 207 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:42,643 particularly one as serious as Statham's, we take it to trial, 208 00:14:42,644 --> 00:14:45,648 and in this instance, we authorised charges. 209 00:14:45,649 --> 00:14:46,690 So why didn't it go? 210 00:14:46,691 --> 00:14:48,653 This is all in the files. 211 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:50,657 It was the parents. 212 00:14:50,658 --> 00:14:51,940 They withdrew their cooperation. 213 00:14:53,343 --> 00:14:54,664 What do you mean? 214 00:14:54,665 --> 00:14:56,668 Sorry - they withdrew their cooperation? 215 00:14:56,669 --> 00:14:58,671 Yes, they didn't want their daughter to testify 216 00:14:58,672 --> 00:15:00,675 or to be examined by counsel. 217 00:15:00,676 --> 00:15:02,678 Despite all the special measures we put in place, 218 00:15:02,679 --> 00:15:05,684 they thought it would be too traumatic for her. 219 00:15:05,685 --> 00:15:06,686 Might have still secured a conviction 220 00:15:06,687 --> 00:15:09,530 but it would have made it extraordinarily difficult. 221 00:15:09,531 --> 00:15:12,696 OK. OK. I need to talk to you about couple of other cases. 222 00:15:12,697 --> 00:15:14,700 No, I'm sorry, I've got to go to a conference. 223 00:15:14,701 --> 00:15:17,546 Or you could just come down the station. 224 00:15:19,709 --> 00:15:21,712 Which cases? 225 00:15:21,713 --> 00:15:24,717 So, the parents in the Collins, Dawlish and Statham cases 226 00:15:24,718 --> 00:15:27,723 all caused them to collapse themselves by withdrawing 227 00:15:27,724 --> 00:15:29,766 the cooperation of their children from the police and the CPS 228 00:15:29,767 --> 00:15:31,730 within the same three-month period. 229 00:15:31,731 --> 00:15:33,733 And why would anyone do that? 230 00:15:33,734 --> 00:15:35,737 Exactly. 231 00:15:35,738 --> 00:15:37,740 It's completely counterintuitive, 232 00:15:37,741 --> 00:15:41,747 unless... you come at it from a different angle and ask yourselves 233 00:15:41,748 --> 00:15:46,756 if maybe they wanted to keep the suspects out of prison. 234 00:15:46,757 --> 00:15:48,760 Shit! 235 00:15:48,761 --> 00:15:49,763 They thought prison was a let-off. 236 00:15:49,764 --> 00:15:52,767 Exactly. 237 00:15:52,768 --> 00:15:54,770 I think this group of parents 238 00:15:54,771 --> 00:15:57,776 collectively decided on a far worse punishment 239 00:15:57,777 --> 00:15:58,778 for their children's abuser. 240 00:15:58,779 --> 00:16:01,783 And how did they justify their sudden non-cooperation to the CPS? 241 00:16:01,784 --> 00:16:02,786 They just... 242 00:16:02,787 --> 00:16:05,790 They just said it would be to traumatic for the kids. 243 00:16:05,791 --> 00:16:07,793 We need to speak to Debbie Collins again. 244 00:16:07,794 --> 00:16:12,321 Yes, and we need to get a warrant for Nico Kashell's house. 245 00:16:12,322 --> 00:16:14,807 It's time to pay his wife a visit. 246 00:16:17,812 --> 00:16:19,815 So am I under arrest? 247 00:16:19,816 --> 00:16:20,817 No. 248 00:16:20,818 --> 00:16:22,820 Greta, you're not under arrest. 249 00:16:22,821 --> 00:16:25,825 But I am gonna ask you some questions 250 00:16:25,826 --> 00:16:27,027 and I do have to caution you 251 00:16:27,028 --> 00:16:29,832 and tell you that you don't have to say anything, 252 00:16:29,833 --> 00:16:31,836 but it may harm your defence if you do not mention 253 00:16:31,837 --> 00:16:33,840 when questioned something you later rely on in court, 254 00:16:33,841 --> 00:16:35,884 and anything you do say may be used in evidence, OK? 255 00:16:37,848 --> 00:16:38,849 Yes. 256 00:16:39,851 --> 00:16:40,853 OK. 257 00:16:41,855 --> 00:16:44,859 Why would you disguise Debbie's name 258 00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:47,864 unless you didn't want people to know that you were connected to her? 259 00:16:47,865 --> 00:16:49,868 I don't know. 260 00:16:49,869 --> 00:16:53,875 Maybe I was worried when her husband got attacked. 261 00:16:53,876 --> 00:16:55,878 Worried that we might think you were involved? 262 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,561 Maybe. Are you? 263 00:16:57,562 --> 00:16:58,885 No. 264 00:17:00,888 --> 00:17:02,251 So when did you last speak to her? 265 00:17:03,894 --> 00:17:06,898 Er... I don't know, maybe a year ago? 266 00:17:06,899 --> 00:17:08,902 And how did you know her? 267 00:17:08,903 --> 00:17:12,909 There was a group I went to for families 268 00:17:12,910 --> 00:17:15,914 who'd been affected by abuse. 269 00:17:15,915 --> 00:17:17,758 Was it this one? 270 00:17:19,922 --> 00:17:20,924 Yeah. 271 00:17:20,925 --> 00:17:22,207 Did you meet Gall Watkins there? 272 00:17:23,929 --> 00:17:25,932 Er... I only went a couple of times. 273 00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:27,295 I really don't remember. 274 00:17:28,778 --> 00:17:29,939 Who ran it? 275 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:30,942 Er... 276 00:17:30,943 --> 00:17:34,948 It was a circle, you sat in a circle of chairs and just talked. 277 00:17:34,949 --> 00:17:35,950 I don't think anyone... 278 00:17:35,951 --> 00:17:38,955 Someone must have booked the hall, mustn't they? 279 00:17:38,956 --> 00:17:39,957 I guess. 280 00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:41,960 Well, whose number's this? 281 00:17:41,961 --> 00:17:43,964 It was just an answering service 282 00:17:43,965 --> 00:17:45,967 so that you could let them know if you were going. 283 00:17:45,968 --> 00:17:46,970 Where was it? 284 00:17:46,971 --> 00:17:50,976 Some sort of old council building, I think it was. 285 00:17:50,977 --> 00:17:53,982 It was... behind Warren Street. 286 00:17:56,988 --> 00:18:00,353 Greta, this file of phone contacts was amended on the day 287 00:18:00,354 --> 00:18:02,196 that Ray Collins was murdered. 288 00:18:02,197 --> 00:18:03,999 In fact... 289 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,003 I mean, look at that, 290 00:18:06,004 --> 00:18:08,849 it was only two hours after our estimated time of his death. 291 00:18:19,027 --> 00:18:21,710 I have a daughter who was sexually abused 292 00:18:21,711 --> 00:18:26,038 and a husband serving eight years in a high security prison, 293 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:28,042 so perhaps you'll understand why 294 00:18:28,043 --> 00:18:33,050 I don't weep for men like Collins, but I didn't kill him. 295 00:18:33,051 --> 00:18:37,057 Debbie did call me to tell me what had happened, but when he died, 296 00:18:37,058 --> 00:18:39,062 I was in church with my daughter. 297 00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:45,073 Thanking God for giving us all the strength we needed to survive. 298 00:18:46,074 --> 00:18:49,439 She might have been telling the truth about her alibi, 299 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,084 but she's lying about other stuff. 300 00:18:52,085 --> 00:18:54,088 They all are. 301 00:18:54,089 --> 00:18:56,772 We keep the pressure on. 302 00:18:56,773 --> 00:18:58,095 'So, we just wanted to talk to you' 303 00:18:58,096 --> 00:19:01,101 about something you said last time we spoke. 304 00:19:02,103 --> 00:19:09,114 You said, "I struggle to cope with all the guilt at what he did", 305 00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:12,120 "what his lawyer did, what the CPS did to our family." 306 00:19:13,643 --> 00:19:16,127 And I find that a bit odd. 307 00:19:16,128 --> 00:19:19,132 Cos actually, it was you who withdrew your cooperation 308 00:19:19,133 --> 00:19:20,815 and caused the case to collapse, wasn't it? 309 00:19:20,816 --> 00:19:22,818 Who told you that? 310 00:19:22,819 --> 00:19:24,141 I spoke with the CPS. 311 00:19:24,142 --> 00:19:26,144 Did they tell you why I withdrew cooperation? 312 00:19:26,145 --> 00:19:27,507 Why don't you tell me? 313 00:19:27,508 --> 00:19:30,151 Because your lot messed up. 314 00:19:30,152 --> 00:19:32,355 You interviewed one of my girls without a responsible adult. 315 00:19:32,356 --> 00:19:33,998 Because my solicitor said 316 00:19:33,999 --> 00:19:36,162 the defence would have made mincemeat of her. 317 00:19:36,163 --> 00:19:38,167 Well, why not just have her be interviewed again? 318 00:19:39,208 --> 00:19:41,372 I'm guessing you don't have kids. 319 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:44,216 So you don't know what it's like, 320 00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:47,182 watching someone you love more than anything else in the world 321 00:19:47,183 --> 00:19:51,190 have to dredge it all up again and again and again. 322 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:53,193 That's why. 323 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:05,214 Tell me about your relationship with Greta Kashell. 324 00:20:07,218 --> 00:20:09,220 I don't have a relationship with Greta Kashell. 325 00:20:09,221 --> 00:20:11,224 Yeah, but you know she is, don't you? 326 00:20:11,225 --> 00:20:12,227 I met her a few times. 327 00:20:12,228 --> 00:20:13,428 Where? 328 00:20:13,429 --> 00:20:17,235 At a support group I went to occasionally, but we're not friends. 329 00:20:17,236 --> 00:20:21,242 I've met her... We've spoken maybe twice in as many years. 330 00:20:21,243 --> 00:20:22,245 And Gail Watkins? 331 00:20:22,246 --> 00:20:24,247 Same. At SCAR? 332 00:20:24,248 --> 00:20:26,252 Yes. 333 00:20:28,616 --> 00:20:33,263 Debbie, we have a warrant to search your house. 334 00:20:33,264 --> 00:20:36,268 When we do, we're going to go through your phone records 335 00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:39,275 and your computer and your diaries and your address books. 336 00:20:40,276 --> 00:20:42,279 You really think it was us? 337 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,282 Was it? 338 00:20:43,283 --> 00:20:45,284 No. 339 00:20:45,285 --> 00:20:47,288 Did you ask someone to do it for you? 340 00:20:47,289 --> 00:20:49,291 No. Do you know who did it? 341 00:20:49,292 --> 00:20:50,294 No. 342 00:20:55,303 --> 00:20:57,306 Debbie, this is your chance, 343 00:20:57,307 --> 00:20:59,631 this is your opportunity to tell us your side of the story. 344 00:21:01,835 --> 00:21:06,321 Because I think in your heart you want to talk to me. 345 00:21:06,322 --> 00:21:09,327 I think you are involved in these events somehow, 346 00:21:09,328 --> 00:21:11,331 and I think you regret it. 347 00:21:12,533 --> 00:21:14,537 I think you regret it very much. 348 00:21:17,703 --> 00:21:19,346 I think you wanna talk. 349 00:21:25,356 --> 00:21:26,358 No. 350 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,361 I have nothing further to say. 351 00:21:38,379 --> 00:21:42,385 The assault and murder last week of as yet unnamed man. 352 00:21:42,386 --> 00:21:45,591 It's been confirmed by local residents that both men have been 353 00:21:45,592 --> 00:21:51,081 arrested previously in connection with allegations of child sex abuse. 354 00:21:51,082 --> 00:21:52,403 Now, other news, 355 00:21:52,404 --> 00:21:55,409 and in the City, the FTSE 100 is up... 356 00:22:04,425 --> 00:22:06,428 Staffe. 357 00:22:06,429 --> 00:22:08,471 A result from the search of Debbie Collins' house. 358 00:22:08,472 --> 00:22:10,956 This was found in a kitchen drawer. 359 00:22:10,957 --> 00:22:13,801 It's got Greta Kashell in there and Gail Watkins 360 00:22:13,802 --> 00:22:15,444 and a number of other names 361 00:22:15,445 --> 00:22:18,450 which I'm guessing are other parents that she met at the support group. 362 00:22:21,135 --> 00:22:23,458 Can I... 363 00:22:23,459 --> 00:22:25,982 OK, OK, we need to run this through Intel, PNC, CMS, 364 00:22:25,983 --> 00:22:27,465 Custody and Command And Control. 365 00:22:27,466 --> 00:22:29,469 I want to know what the crimes against their kids were, 366 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:31,472 whether the suspects were prosecuted, 367 00:22:31,473 --> 00:22:34,477 where all the suspects are now and where all those parents were 368 00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:37,483 when Statham, Collins and Dawlish were attacked. 369 00:22:37,484 --> 00:22:40,489 Yeah, we're getting closer, we're getting closer. 370 00:22:41,491 --> 00:22:43,494 This is good work, Dave. 371 00:22:57,269 --> 00:22:58,271 Oi. 372 00:22:58,272 --> 00:23:00,274 Present. 373 00:23:00,775 --> 00:23:01,777 We all clubbed together. 374 00:23:01,777 --> 00:23:02,778 You shouldn't have. 375 00:23:02,779 --> 00:23:05,783 That's what I said. It's just man flu. 376 00:23:05,784 --> 00:23:09,790 Er, so the answering service number, did you get any joy from BT? 377 00:23:09,791 --> 00:23:11,473 Yeah, name and an address. 378 00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:14,799 Unfortunately, the name's John Smith, 379 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,806 line and bills were registered to a serviced office in the city. 380 00:23:18,807 --> 00:23:19,809 What about how they paid? 381 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:22,813 I'm waiting to hear back from the billing department. 382 00:23:22,814 --> 00:23:25,818 They said it might take a couple of days, so... 383 00:23:25,819 --> 00:23:26,860 Jesus, all right! 384 00:23:26,861 --> 00:23:28,824 Almost making me feel guilty. 385 00:23:28,825 --> 00:23:30,827 Almost. 386 00:23:30,828 --> 00:23:31,830 Right, I'm off to the SCAR meeting hall. 387 00:23:31,831 --> 00:23:33,832 Call me on the billing as soon as. 388 00:23:33,833 --> 00:23:35,876 OK. Just to be clear, this isn't what you give sick people. 389 00:23:35,877 --> 00:23:37,840 It hasn't been for about 20 years. 390 00:23:37,841 --> 00:23:39,363 It tastes nice, though, doesn't it? 391 00:24:09,897 --> 00:24:11,900 I'll let you know, girls, all right? 392 00:24:11,901 --> 00:24:16,909 Well, as I said, they always paid in cash, I remember that. 393 00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:17,911 So when was the last time they came? 394 00:24:17,912 --> 00:24:20,916 What? The SCAR group, when was the last time they met? 395 00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:21,918 I don't know. 396 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:23,761 About 18 months ago. 397 00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:24,924 Here's the paperwork. 398 00:24:25,926 --> 00:24:27,928 I should have chucked this out. 399 00:24:27,929 --> 00:24:30,933 In fact, I only saw it was still there when you rang. 400 00:24:30,934 --> 00:24:33,939 Do you think if we asked you to take part in a video ID, 401 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,942 you'd be able to recognise any of the people that were here? 402 00:24:35,943 --> 00:24:37,946 Maybe the ones that paid you the rent? 403 00:24:37,947 --> 00:24:39,949 I don't know, really. 404 00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:41,151 Long time ago. 405 00:24:41,153 --> 00:24:42,314 Maybe. 406 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:44,157 OK. Well, we'll give you a shout when we're done. 407 00:24:44,158 --> 00:24:45,640 Thanks a lot for your help. 408 00:24:59,986 --> 00:25:01,668 Give me that. 409 00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:02,991 It's just a kid's drawing. 410 00:25:09,002 --> 00:25:10,004 Will? 411 00:25:10,005 --> 00:25:13,008 This is printed on a HOLMES page. 412 00:25:13,009 --> 00:25:14,011 Our HOLMES? 413 00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:15,532 Yeah. 414 00:25:15,533 --> 00:25:18,018 Only a copper would be able to print this out. 415 00:25:20,021 --> 00:25:21,023 Yeah. 416 00:25:22,025 --> 00:25:24,028 Staffe. 417 00:25:25,030 --> 00:25:26,032 Shit. When? 418 00:25:26,033 --> 00:25:27,715 OK. 419 00:25:31,882 --> 00:25:34,045 Nico Kashell just tried to top himself. 420 00:25:34,046 --> 00:25:36,049 Shit! 421 00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:39,055 I'm beginning to have a very unpleasant thought. 422 00:25:40,057 --> 00:25:44,063 Kashell would have known Bob Jessop pretty well. 423 00:25:44,064 --> 00:25:47,068 He'd have had a lot of contact with him through the investigation. 424 00:25:47,069 --> 00:25:48,071 Whoa, that is quite a thing. 425 00:25:48,072 --> 00:25:50,073 Do you seriously think Jessop could be involved? 426 00:25:50,074 --> 00:25:52,077 I dunno. This way. 427 00:25:52,078 --> 00:25:54,281 I dunno, I hope not, but... 428 00:25:54,282 --> 00:25:57,086 I'm going to consider it a possibility anyway. 429 00:25:57,087 --> 00:25:59,089 I guess. 430 00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:01,094 Just keep this between us, yeah? 431 00:26:02,096 --> 00:26:03,458 Of course. 432 00:26:07,105 --> 00:26:08,467 DI Jessop. 433 00:26:11,112 --> 00:26:13,114 What about him? 434 00:26:13,115 --> 00:26:14,117 Well... 435 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:21,129 you must have got to know him through the investigation. 436 00:26:24,135 --> 00:26:26,339 I met him twice. 437 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:30,506 Our relationship was with the family liaison officer. 438 00:26:33,151 --> 00:26:34,994 Hardly knew Jessop. 439 00:26:36,156 --> 00:26:39,522 Who attacked Statham, Nico? 440 00:26:41,165 --> 00:26:44,009 Cos it wasn't you, was it? 441 00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:45,171 Did you pay someone? 442 00:26:45,172 --> 00:26:47,174 Did Jessop introduce you to someone? 443 00:26:47,175 --> 00:26:50,180 I mean, you're an accountant, for Christ's sake! 444 00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:53,185 How did you-how did you get hold of chloroform? 445 00:26:53,186 --> 00:26:55,189 How did you get into his house? Guv. 446 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:57,193 Just stop lying to us, you little prick! Guv! 447 00:27:09,735 --> 00:27:12,219 'We will all be scarred by this for the rest of our lives.' 448 00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:14,583 'I dreamed about killing him a million times. 449 00:27:14,584 --> 00:27:18,229 'I thought about what I'd do, to make him suffer. 450 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:22,076 'The rage he felt when they dropped the charges - 451 00:27:22,077 --> 00:27:23,239 'the rage we all felt...' 452 00:27:25,924 --> 00:27:27,447 He's not a happy bunny. 453 00:27:30,292 --> 00:27:31,453 What? 454 00:27:31,454 --> 00:27:34,097 I went through the list and checked all the names. 455 00:27:34,098 --> 00:27:38,265 Of the other victims' cases, they all went to trial, no halted cases, 456 00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:39,268 no parents pulling out... 457 00:27:40,269 --> 00:27:41,271 Except then, this morning, 458 00:27:41,272 --> 00:27:43,274 I saw an update on HOLMES 459 00:27:43,275 --> 00:27:47,281 relating to one of the surnames in Debbie Collins' diary, 460 00:27:47,282 --> 00:27:48,803 another parent whose daughter 461 00:27:48,804 --> 00:27:51,328 was allegedly assaulted by a man named Mark Regis. 462 00:27:51,329 --> 00:27:53,291 This guy? 463 00:27:53,292 --> 00:27:54,294 Yeah. 464 00:27:54,295 --> 00:27:56,818 So it turns out that Regis was released two days ago, 465 00:27:56,819 --> 00:28:01,307 when the victim's family suddenly withdrew their cooperation. 466 00:28:05,314 --> 00:28:07,316 Do we have an address for him? 467 00:28:07,317 --> 00:28:09,320 His bail address was his wife's, 468 00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:11,323 but she just told me she chucked him out. 469 00:28:11,324 --> 00:28:12,326 Did she have any idea where he went? 470 00:28:12,327 --> 00:28:13,689 No. Well, we need to find him, now. 471 00:28:43,381 --> 00:28:47,388 Yeah, can I have the number for my local police station, please? 472 00:28:51,395 --> 00:28:53,399 That's OK. 473 00:28:56,244 --> 00:28:57,406 Hello? 474 00:28:59,409 --> 00:29:02,414 And Harry's really loved spending time with you, so thank you. 475 00:29:02,415 --> 00:29:04,417 What time are you pushing off tomorrow? 476 00:29:04,418 --> 00:29:07,623 Paolo's got a job interview about three o'clock, 477 00:29:07,624 --> 00:29:10,428 then he'll come back here and we'll probably push off then. 478 00:29:10,429 --> 00:29:12,431 I mean... You can... 479 00:29:12,432 --> 00:29:15,437 You could stay tomorrow night if you want. I can cook you something. 480 00:29:15,438 --> 00:29:17,441 He's got to meet a friend in town, so... 481 00:29:18,483 --> 00:29:20,806 Well, why don't the three of us go out, 482 00:29:20,807 --> 00:29:23,451 you, me and Harry, catch a film? 483 00:29:23,452 --> 00:29:25,976 It's probably just best that I go with him. 484 00:29:31,466 --> 00:29:34,471 Well, I'm gonna miss you both. 485 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,562 He's asked me to marry him. 486 00:29:44,689 --> 00:29:49,498 He wants to have more children, a brother or sister for Harry... 487 00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:56,509 a-and you know how much I wanted a real family, Will. 488 00:29:56,510 --> 00:30:00,517 And he's the loveliest person when he doesn't drink, I promise you. 489 00:30:06,528 --> 00:30:08,532 Dinner! 490 00:30:11,537 --> 00:30:12,539 Well, if, um... 491 00:30:17,548 --> 00:30:19,551 if that's what'll make you happy... 492 00:30:22,556 --> 00:30:24,560 I'm happy for you. 493 00:30:39,627 --> 00:30:42,431 Smells delicious. 494 00:30:42,432 --> 00:30:43,593 Thank you. 495 00:30:43,594 --> 00:30:44,595 What is this? 496 00:30:44,596 --> 00:30:45,958 Risotto. Mushroom. 497 00:31:16,652 --> 00:31:17,654 Hey. 498 00:31:17,655 --> 00:31:19,656 You've been ignoring my calls. 499 00:31:19,657 --> 00:31:21,500 Er, yeah, sorry. 500 00:31:21,501 --> 00:31:22,662 Work's been insane. 501 00:31:22,663 --> 00:31:26,669 Well, I was just calling to say if you do need me tomorrow, 502 00:31:26,670 --> 00:31:28,673 I'm still around. 503 00:31:31,358 --> 00:31:32,680 How about if I need you now? 504 00:32:12,751 --> 00:32:14,754 'We can certainly expect some thunder and heavy rain, 505 00:32:14,755 --> 00:32:16,757 'lasting well into the afternoon, 506 00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:19,763 'with scattered showers carrying on until the night...' 507 00:32:19,764 --> 00:32:21,766 'Heavy showers and high humidity levels. 508 00:32:21,767 --> 00:32:25,773 'This will last well into the evening...' 509 00:32:25,774 --> 00:32:26,776 'It was the last attack. 510 00:32:26,777 --> 00:32:29,780 'Police believe that further assaults may be possible 511 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,784 'and have asked members of the public...' 512 00:32:31,785 --> 00:32:32,827 Fuck! 513 00:32:57,831 --> 00:32:59,834 So is this the case? 514 00:32:59,835 --> 00:33:02,840 Or tomorrow, or...? 515 00:33:04,843 --> 00:33:06,526 Christ knows. 516 00:33:08,891 --> 00:33:11,856 Hardly even know my own name at the moment. 517 00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,865 My latest wild theory is that Bob Jessop did it. 518 00:33:18,548 --> 00:33:19,869 How's old Bob? 519 00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:22,875 Yeah, if you think I'm in bad shape... 520 00:33:23,917 --> 00:33:25,880 I heard Sandra left him. 521 00:33:25,881 --> 00:33:27,563 How did you hear that? 522 00:33:27,564 --> 00:33:29,887 You know. She rang me after you and me split. 523 00:33:29,888 --> 00:33:31,891 We stayed in touch. 524 00:33:32,893 --> 00:33:34,896 I've always liked Sandra. 525 00:33:34,897 --> 00:33:36,899 She didn't deserve what he did. 526 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,903 What did he do? 527 00:33:38,904 --> 00:33:39,905 Had an affair. 528 00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:42,911 What? 529 00:33:42,912 --> 00:33:45,595 You're joking me? 530 00:33:45,596 --> 00:33:48,920 Somebody actually let Bob Jessop put his penis inside them. 531 00:33:48,921 --> 00:33:49,923 I thought you knew. 532 00:33:49,924 --> 00:33:51,285 My God! 533 00:33:51,286 --> 00:33:53,128 Who was the unlucky lady? 534 00:33:53,129 --> 00:33:54,931 Some woman from the CPS. 535 00:33:54,932 --> 00:33:56,935 Yeah? He met her on a case. 536 00:33:56,936 --> 00:33:57,937 A Ruth... 537 00:33:57,938 --> 00:33:59,981 Ruth... someone. 538 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:23,982 Boss, it's me. 539 00:34:23,983 --> 00:34:25,987 It's Will. 540 00:34:26,989 --> 00:34:28,991 I need to talk to you. 541 00:34:28,992 --> 00:34:30,193 I know you were seeing Ruth 542 00:34:30,194 --> 00:34:34,000 at the same time that she was handling the Kashell case. 543 00:34:34,001 --> 00:34:36,004 I can see your light from the street, sir. 544 00:34:36,005 --> 00:34:37,006 I know you're in there. 545 00:34:38,008 --> 00:34:40,012 Open the door, sir! 546 00:34:46,022 --> 00:34:48,026 Suppose you'd better come in, then. 547 00:34:51,031 --> 00:34:52,554 Argh! 548 00:34:57,042 --> 00:35:00,728 I told you to walk away, lad! 549 00:35:31,463 --> 00:35:33,105 Yeah? Boss? 550 00:35:33,106 --> 00:35:35,108 Yeah? You all right? 551 00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:36,111 Yeah. 552 00:35:38,115 --> 00:35:39,116 What's up? 553 00:35:39,117 --> 00:35:41,801 Bob Jessop just sent us a note. 554 00:35:42,803 --> 00:35:44,806 It's a confession to the attacks. 555 00:35:46,129 --> 00:35:48,132 I'm on my way. 556 00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,161 'It was dropped in by him at two in the morning' 557 00:36:05,162 --> 00:36:09,169 and it's a full confession to Statham, Collins and Dawlish. 558 00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:12,174 We've got a team checking the airports and the ports, 559 00:36:12,175 --> 00:36:16,182 but that was only opened at eight, so he'll have a head start. 560 00:36:19,187 --> 00:36:20,870 If you're gonna run... 561 00:36:23,194 --> 00:36:25,198 why not just run? 562 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,203 And why all this? 563 00:36:33,573 --> 00:36:36,217 Unless it's a distraction. 564 00:36:38,221 --> 00:36:41,225 You said we've got people searching the ports for Jessop, 565 00:36:41,226 --> 00:36:42,228 searching the airports. 566 00:36:42,229 --> 00:36:44,231 Have we got anyone looking for him? 567 00:36:44,232 --> 00:36:47,236 Mark Regis? Shit! 568 00:36:47,237 --> 00:36:49,239 We've got an address for him now, so... 569 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,242 I'm coming. 570 00:36:51,244 --> 00:36:54,248 And, you know, I'm sure I'm wrong, 571 00:36:54,249 --> 00:36:57,254 Jessop's our man and Regis is fine 572 00:36:57,255 --> 00:36:59,258 but it's just best to check, OK? 573 00:37:02,945 --> 00:37:04,266 What's that? 574 00:37:04,267 --> 00:37:06,271 It's a list of SCAR attendees. 575 00:37:07,272 --> 00:37:11,278 The one we found at Debbie Collins' house. 576 00:37:11,279 --> 00:37:12,641 Richard and Rebecca Allerton? 577 00:37:12,642 --> 00:37:14,285 Yeah? 578 00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:18,292 What was their story? 579 00:37:18,293 --> 00:37:21,296 Er, their daughter was raped three years ago. 580 00:37:21,297 --> 00:37:23,381 There was a full investigation but no-one was caught. 581 00:37:24,823 --> 00:37:26,306 Er... 582 00:37:27,308 --> 00:37:28,309 OK. 583 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,314 OK, um, you guys... 584 00:37:31,315 --> 00:37:34,000 I'll meet you downstairs, all right, I'm just going to make a call. 585 00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:55,357 'Rick.' 586 00:37:55,358 --> 00:37:57,360 Hello, Will. 587 00:37:57,361 --> 00:37:59,363 'Hi. Where are you?' 588 00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:02,410 Just, er, out. 589 00:38:03,892 --> 00:38:06,056 'Do we need to talk?' 590 00:38:07,739 --> 00:38:09,382 What about? 591 00:38:10,384 --> 00:38:12,387 'You and your missus.' 592 00:38:14,391 --> 00:38:16,394 Why would we need to talk about me and Becca? 593 00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:20,442 I've just seen a couple's name on a list. 594 00:38:23,407 --> 00:38:26,411 Richard and Rebecca Allerton. 595 00:38:26,412 --> 00:38:28,415 'That's a good spot. 596 00:38:28,416 --> 00:38:31,421 'We never did get married in the end.' 597 00:38:32,423 --> 00:38:36,790 Er... Right, you got a pen and I'll give you an address? 598 00:38:36,791 --> 00:38:39,435 Poplar DLR... 599 00:38:43,122 --> 00:38:44,483 You go on. 600 00:38:44,484 --> 00:38:46,447 Something else has come up. 601 00:38:46,448 --> 00:38:47,449 Is everything OK? 602 00:38:47,449 --> 00:38:48,451 It's fine. 603 00:38:48,452 --> 00:38:50,295 I'll meet you there. 604 00:39:17,503 --> 00:39:18,704 Hello, sir. 605 00:39:18,705 --> 00:39:20,507 You called our station. 606 00:39:20,508 --> 00:39:22,510 Yeah, I did. Thanks for coming, officer. 607 00:39:22,511 --> 00:39:24,515 My pleasure entirely, Mark. 608 00:39:30,526 --> 00:39:32,528 This one here. 609 00:39:32,529 --> 00:39:33,531 Yeah. 610 00:39:36,737 --> 00:39:38,539 Mr Regis? 611 00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:42,386 Mr Regis, it's DI Pulford and DC Chancellor from the police. 612 00:39:42,387 --> 00:39:44,550 We just want to make sure you're OK. 613 00:39:45,552 --> 00:39:47,555 Mr Regis? 614 00:39:47,556 --> 00:39:48,678 Mr Regis, are you down here? 615 00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:07,591 Rick? 616 00:40:17,609 --> 00:40:19,452 Rick? 617 00:40:24,141 --> 00:40:25,462 Hello, mate. 618 00:40:25,463 --> 00:40:27,627 Do go through. 619 00:40:30,632 --> 00:40:32,636 Jesus Christ! 620 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,643 Fun and games? 621 00:40:38,165 --> 00:40:40,649 Rick, what are you doing? This is insane! 622 00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:44,656 Do you know what Mark here did to his victims, the details? 623 00:40:44,657 --> 00:40:46,659 Yeah, I read the files. He raped her, Will. 624 00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:48,503 I didn't. 625 00:40:48,504 --> 00:40:51,027 When she was 11 years old. 626 00:40:51,028 --> 00:40:56,677 And then, he told her if she went to the police he'd find out 627 00:40:56,678 --> 00:41:01,046 where she lived and then rape and kill her mother. 628 00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:05,693 Been a bit of a star at school up till then. 629 00:41:05,694 --> 00:41:07,697 Six months later, she's cutting herself, smoking weed. 630 00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:09,741 Now, my little... 631 00:41:10,743 --> 00:41:13,226 Siany... 632 00:41:13,227 --> 00:41:15,711 chose pills. 633 00:41:15,712 --> 00:41:17,714 Becca found her in time. 634 00:41:17,715 --> 00:41:20,720 I'm so sorry, Rick. 635 00:41:20,721 --> 00:41:23,725 I didn't know any of that till today. 636 00:41:23,726 --> 00:41:26,731 No, well, why should you? Private matter. 637 00:41:28,735 --> 00:41:32,741 Yeah, so, the thing is, it's not enough, is it, just to lock them up? 638 00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:33,783 Not even to kill them. 639 00:41:33,784 --> 00:41:37,751 What they really need to understand is the pain... 640 00:41:39,754 --> 00:41:42,759 so then they can tell the others like them 641 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,767 what it's like and then maybe, maybe they'll stop. 642 00:41:47,768 --> 00:41:49,771 Yeah. 643 00:41:49,772 --> 00:41:51,975 I mean, I'm not gonna lie, it's hard to get it right, 644 00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:54,780 and one of the fuckers went and died on me, 645 00:41:54,781 --> 00:41:56,623 so I'm gonna go easy on old Mark here. 646 00:41:56,624 --> 00:41:58,466 Please, please don't. 647 00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:00,790 Rick. Rick! What do you reckon? 648 00:42:00,791 --> 00:42:01,793 Both feet? 649 00:42:01,794 --> 00:42:04,838 Foot and a hand? What about Becca and Siany? 650 00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:07,803 How are they gonna cope? 651 00:42:07,804 --> 00:42:09,806 How are they gonna cope with the pain 652 00:42:09,807 --> 00:42:11,811 of you been taken away for a life sentence? 653 00:42:13,654 --> 00:42:15,657 Already lost me, I'm afraid. 654 00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:17,822 You were wrong about the man flu. 655 00:42:18,823 --> 00:42:20,666 Tumour. 656 00:42:20,667 --> 00:42:22,829 Metastasised, 657 00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:26,838 stage IV as of three weeks ago. 658 00:42:28,841 --> 00:42:30,844 There is no stage V. 659 00:42:30,845 --> 00:42:32,847 'Guv, it's Josie.' 660 00:42:32,848 --> 00:42:35,372 Just wondering where you are. Call me. 661 00:42:35,373 --> 00:42:37,856 Did he say anything about where he was going, Ray? 662 00:42:37,857 --> 00:42:39,860 'No, but... Hang on. 663 00:42:39,861 --> 00:42:41,703 'Yeah, there's a post-it on his desk. 664 00:42:41,704 --> 00:42:43,227 'An address in Poplar.' 665 00:42:44,869 --> 00:42:48,876 It was actually at the Marsden where I met Bob Jessop, 666 00:42:48,877 --> 00:42:50,879 and we got chatting, as you do. 667 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,884 Found out we were both old bill, and then one day, 668 00:42:53,885 --> 00:42:57,891 he started to tell me about the Kashell case. 669 00:42:57,892 --> 00:42:59,896 Course, then I told him all about... 670 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,907 Siany, and... 671 00:43:08,111 --> 00:43:10,915 he suggested we try SCAR 672 00:43:10,916 --> 00:43:13,599 cos Greta and Nico went there, 673 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,123 and then we did. 674 00:43:16,766 --> 00:43:17,927 You know? 675 00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:20,933 We all knew it wasn't enough. 676 00:43:22,937 --> 00:43:23,939 And then... 677 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:25,140 well, 678 00:43:25,141 --> 00:43:27,946 one day Bob had this idea... 679 00:43:29,308 --> 00:43:31,952 for a rougher type of justice. 680 00:43:31,953 --> 00:43:35,959 After I did what I did to Statham, I was asked to stop, 681 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,807 but then last month I found out I only had a few weeks and I thought, 682 00:43:40,808 --> 00:43:41,969 "No, fuck it, let's have some fun." 683 00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:46,979 And then when you rang just now, well, I thought, "Yeah..." 684 00:43:50,986 --> 00:43:52,990 "this is my chance..." 685 00:43:55,995 --> 00:43:57,998 "to give something back." 686 00:43:57,999 --> 00:44:00,202 Something back? 687 00:44:00,203 --> 00:44:04,008 A chance for you to see what it looks like, what it feels like, 688 00:44:04,009 --> 00:44:06,012 proper revenge. 689 00:44:06,013 --> 00:44:08,016 You think I could do something like this? 690 00:44:08,017 --> 00:44:11,021 If you had the people who killed your parents 691 00:44:11,022 --> 00:44:14,547 here in this room right now, yes, mate, I do. 692 00:44:14,548 --> 00:44:17,553 But, there's no point arguing the toss. 693 00:44:19,036 --> 00:44:22,040 Let's just find out... 694 00:44:22,041 --> 00:44:24,045 what it feels like. 695 00:44:35,064 --> 00:44:36,066 No. 696 00:45:33,207 --> 00:45:35,170 Gov? 697 00:45:35,171 --> 00:45:36,172 Gov! 698 00:45:41,181 --> 00:45:43,184 Sorry, sweetheart. 699 00:45:43,185 --> 00:45:44,187 Will! 700 00:45:44,188 --> 00:45:46,190 Arrgh... 701 00:46:06,226 --> 00:46:07,747 Got it. 702 00:46:07,748 --> 00:46:09,230 Cheers. 703 00:46:09,231 --> 00:46:11,434 They've got Jessop. 704 00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:13,237 Where? 705 00:46:13,238 --> 00:46:14,240 Dover. 706 00:46:17,245 --> 00:46:20,250 How much do you think they did know? The other families? 707 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:38,282 Enough. 708 00:46:39,284 --> 00:46:40,646 Bring 'em in. 709 00:46:42,289 --> 00:46:44,293 All of them. 710 00:46:58,999 --> 00:47:05,690 Listen, um... if you and Paolo ever need any time to yourself, 711 00:47:05,691 --> 00:47:09,336 I mean, then Harry can always come and stay at mine. 712 00:47:09,337 --> 00:47:12,382 I mean, I'll take leave, I'll do whatever needs to be done 713 00:47:12,383 --> 00:47:16,349 just to make sure that his well-being 714 00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:18,353 was our number one priority. 715 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,363 We'll be fine. 716 00:47:24,364 --> 00:47:26,367 Thank you. 717 00:47:32,378 --> 00:47:34,382 Bye, Uncle Will. 718 00:47:35,305 --> 00:47:41,562 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org52053

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