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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:37,053 * Breichiau mam sy'n 2 00:00:37,094 --> 00:00:40,733 * Dynn amdanat 3 00:00:40,773 --> 00:00:46,133 * Cariad mam sy 4 00:00:46,174 --> 00:00:49,093 * Dan fy mron 5 00:00:51,333 --> 00:00:59,693 * Ni chaiff dim amharu'th gyntun 6 00:00:59,733 --> 00:01:08,214 * Ni wna undyn a thi gam *. 7 00:01:58,894 --> 00:02:01,292 Prime Minister Tony Blair has led political 8 00:02:01,293 --> 00:02:03,093 tributes from a grateful nation... 9 00:02:03,094 --> 00:02:04,653 Hey, Dad. 10 00:02:04,654 --> 00:02:07,982 - Morning, sunshine. You up? - Up? I'm out and about! 11 00:02:08,573 --> 00:02:11,333 Hm, pardon me, early riser. 12 00:02:11,374 --> 00:02:12,853 What is it, Dad? 13 00:02:12,894 --> 00:02:14,932 You said there was a match today. 14 00:02:14,933 --> 00:02:17,172 Oh, yeah. Only a crappy school thing. 15 00:02:17,173 --> 00:02:18,933 Oh, well, I wanna come. Where is it? 16 00:02:18,934 --> 00:02:21,373 No, Dad, seriously, it's not that type of match. 17 00:02:21,374 --> 00:02:23,494 No parents are gonna be there. 18 00:02:23,534 --> 00:02:25,401 You're wrong. I'll be there. 19 00:02:30,413 --> 00:02:32,612 ...the Queen's 80th birthday celebrations. 20 00:02:32,613 --> 00:02:35,557 Her sense of duty and service, said Mr Blair... 21 00:02:38,774 --> 00:02:40,094 We set? 22 00:02:45,214 --> 00:02:46,733 Boss. 23 00:02:46,774 --> 00:02:48,133 Morning. 24 00:02:48,173 --> 00:02:49,293 Steve. 25 00:02:49,334 --> 00:02:51,132 How's the report coming? ACPO are asking. 26 00:02:51,133 --> 00:02:53,132 Yeah, should be with you by the end of play today. 27 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:54,493 Any nasty surprises? 28 00:02:54,494 --> 00:02:57,572 I wish. It's gonna be a job for me to find something to do. 29 00:02:57,573 --> 00:02:59,506 I have a hunch you'll manage. 30 00:03:02,214 --> 00:03:03,732 What's with the TV crew, Dave? 31 00:03:03,733 --> 00:03:05,853 Old news. 32 00:03:29,173 --> 00:03:30,693 Argh! 33 00:04:28,373 --> 00:04:30,293 Hey. What's up? 34 00:04:30,334 --> 00:04:32,973 So, er, Jack just texted to say you're picking him up 35 00:04:32,974 --> 00:04:34,093 from the match. 36 00:04:34,094 --> 00:04:36,413 Yeah. Is there a problem? 37 00:04:36,454 --> 00:04:39,654 Well, back a month and you're running the show. 38 00:04:39,694 --> 00:04:41,014 Look, just... 39 00:04:41,053 --> 00:04:42,653 just make sure you're there. 40 00:04:42,654 --> 00:04:45,454 Fran, I'll be there. 41 00:04:50,173 --> 00:04:51,493 Go on, Jack. 42 00:05:02,134 --> 00:05:05,573 So, I was thinking, we could have a mid-week boys' night in. 43 00:05:05,574 --> 00:05:08,974 Take-away, DVD? 44 00:05:09,014 --> 00:05:10,573 I've cleared it with Mum. 45 00:05:10,574 --> 00:05:13,253 I said I'd stay over at Ryan's. 46 00:05:13,293 --> 00:05:15,826 Can't you stay at Ryan's another night? 47 00:05:19,293 --> 00:05:22,133 I was thinking, how about you spend one week with me, 48 00:05:22,134 --> 00:05:23,333 one week with your mum...? 49 00:05:23,334 --> 00:05:26,574 You know, that gives Mum and Mike some space, too. 50 00:05:26,613 --> 00:05:28,252 Did Mum ask you to do this? 51 00:05:28,253 --> 00:05:29,493 No! 52 00:05:29,534 --> 00:05:31,933 But she's fine about it, if you are. 53 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,014 Can I think about it? 54 00:05:37,974 --> 00:05:40,373 Absolutely. Yeah. 55 00:05:40,413 --> 00:05:44,094 Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight and we'll chat. 56 00:05:44,134 --> 00:05:45,534 Come here. 57 00:06:07,813 --> 00:06:10,172 With so many recent successes nationwide 58 00:06:10,173 --> 00:06:14,493 where DNA has played a key role in solving cold cases, 59 00:06:14,534 --> 00:06:16,693 attention will inevitably turn to 60 00:06:16,694 --> 00:06:20,733 unsolved murders in Wales, most notably the double murders 61 00:06:20,774 --> 00:06:23,292 of Peter and Gwenda Dixon in Pembrokeshire. 62 00:06:23,293 --> 00:06:24,693 Jonathan Hill reports. 63 00:06:24,694 --> 00:06:27,893 Over 17 years ago, the couple were blasted to death 64 00:06:27,894 --> 00:06:31,813 with a shotgun by an unknown killer as they walked along here 65 00:06:31,853 --> 00:06:35,413 at the Coastal Path in Little Haven in Pembrokeshire. 66 00:06:35,454 --> 00:06:37,372 Despite a huge police investigation, 67 00:06:37,373 --> 00:06:39,172 no-one was ever charged for the crime, 68 00:06:39,173 --> 00:06:42,774 and the Dixon family's long wait for justice continues. 69 00:06:42,813 --> 00:06:45,133 A lot of people have said they no longer feel comfortable 70 00:06:45,134 --> 00:06:47,067 coming to this path any more. 71 00:06:47,654 --> 00:06:50,054 They say it no longer feels the same. 72 00:06:51,933 --> 00:06:53,932 We asked Dyfed Powys Police for a comment 73 00:06:53,933 --> 00:06:55,893 but were told that no-one was available. 74 00:06:55,894 --> 00:06:58,293 Old news? 75 00:06:58,334 --> 00:07:02,093 Meanwhile, the identity of John and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer 76 00:07:02,094 --> 00:07:03,454 remains unknown. 77 00:07:10,493 --> 00:07:12,293 How you settling in, Steve? 78 00:07:13,253 --> 00:07:14,933 It's like I never left. 79 00:07:15,334 --> 00:07:17,693 I found only one area where we're exposed. 80 00:07:17,694 --> 00:07:20,292 No thorough forensic reviews of serious crimes. 81 00:07:20,293 --> 00:07:22,173 Most notably Coastal Path. 82 00:07:23,613 --> 00:07:24,973 You saw the news. 83 00:07:26,534 --> 00:07:29,053 Yeah. What's the story? 84 00:07:32,774 --> 00:07:36,173 The unlikelihood of finding anything new. 85 00:07:36,214 --> 00:07:38,533 The distress that would cause the Dixon family. 86 00:07:38,534 --> 00:07:41,412 And, if we failed, the delight the media would take 87 00:07:41,413 --> 00:07:43,292 in hauling us through the muck. 88 00:07:43,293 --> 00:07:46,013 A few years back, they branded us "institutionally incompetent", 89 00:07:46,014 --> 00:07:47,054 and it stuck. 90 00:07:49,253 --> 00:07:52,774 Well, it's about time we did something about that. 91 00:07:52,813 --> 00:07:55,693 I'd like to take a look at Coastal Path, see if there's anything there. 92 00:07:55,694 --> 00:07:57,134 That OK with you? 93 00:07:57,173 --> 00:07:59,106 You don't need my permission. 94 00:07:59,613 --> 00:08:03,214 DCI George Jones was SIO on it. Is he still about? 95 00:08:03,253 --> 00:08:07,094 Yeah, he is. But, Steve, go easy on the old bloke. 96 00:08:28,654 --> 00:08:30,573 Thank you for seeing me, sir. 97 00:08:30,574 --> 00:08:31,812 A police dog found them. 98 00:08:31,813 --> 00:08:34,172 Six days after they were reported missing. 99 00:08:36,014 --> 00:08:38,481 The maggots gave us the time of death. 100 00:08:39,493 --> 00:08:43,461 After he murdered them, the attacker stole Peter Dixon's wallet 101 00:08:43,493 --> 00:08:45,414 and wedding ring. 102 00:08:45,454 --> 00:08:47,852 It's not much of a reason to end two lives, is it? 103 00:08:47,853 --> 00:08:50,132 Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 104 00:08:50,133 --> 00:08:52,973 with her husband lying dead not six feet away. 105 00:08:52,974 --> 00:08:54,973 He was a sick, sadistic bastard. 106 00:08:54,974 --> 00:08:56,773 He didn't need a reason. 107 00:09:00,214 --> 00:09:01,894 We did the best we could. 108 00:09:07,174 --> 00:09:09,041 I won't be made a scapegoat. 109 00:09:10,253 --> 00:09:12,186 That's not why I'm here, sir. 110 00:09:16,493 --> 00:09:19,093 So, four days after the murders, a man walked into 111 00:09:19,094 --> 00:09:23,414 Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers and sold a 22-carat gold band. 112 00:09:23,454 --> 00:09:27,293 The band matched the description of Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring. 113 00:09:27,294 --> 00:09:30,173 And the seller of the ring had signed the receipt J Cooper. 114 00:09:30,174 --> 00:09:33,013 Now, on the basis of this information, 115 00:09:33,054 --> 00:09:35,493 one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees? 116 00:09:36,853 --> 00:09:41,853 He questioned a John William Cooper of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede. 117 00:09:43,253 --> 00:09:44,732 Cooper said that the ring was his own 118 00:09:44,733 --> 00:09:46,573 and that he sold it because he needed the cash, 119 00:09:46,574 --> 00:09:48,852 and then his wife confirmed the story. 120 00:09:48,853 --> 00:09:51,253 And then no further action was taken. 121 00:09:52,574 --> 00:09:55,773 I'm curious to hear your view on this. 122 00:09:55,814 --> 00:09:58,493 I sent a DC to do a DCI's job. 123 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:01,493 I should've questioned Cooper myself, but we... 124 00:10:01,533 --> 00:10:02,974 we were swamped. 125 00:10:04,013 --> 00:10:06,852 After the case was closed, I learnt that Rees 126 00:10:06,853 --> 00:10:09,613 drank in the same pub as Cooper, together. 127 00:10:10,613 --> 00:10:13,253 My view is that Cooper... 128 00:10:13,294 --> 00:10:16,054 used the fact they knew each other. 129 00:10:16,094 --> 00:10:17,653 That Rees... 130 00:10:17,694 --> 00:10:19,133 was manipulated. 131 00:10:21,373 --> 00:10:23,906 - Where's Cooper now? - Dyffryn Prison. 132 00:10:23,934 --> 00:10:27,646 He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998 for a string of, er... 133 00:10:28,214 --> 00:10:29,813 ...burglaries and robberies. 134 00:10:29,844 --> 00:10:33,084 The investigation was codenamed Huntsman. 135 00:10:33,094 --> 00:10:36,373 They interviewed Cooper, but didn't get anything. 136 00:10:36,414 --> 00:10:40,454 16 years in 1998... 137 00:10:40,493 --> 00:10:43,501 If he's behaved himself, he'll be up for parole. 138 00:10:48,373 --> 00:10:51,732 Where it happened is just below Talbenny church. 139 00:10:51,733 --> 00:10:54,613 The spot is marked by a plaque. 140 00:10:56,373 --> 00:10:59,829 The Dixons' son and daughter leave a wreath every year. 141 00:12:05,493 --> 00:12:07,253 You found us, then. 142 00:12:08,613 --> 00:12:11,252 So, you're doing a bit of digging on John William Cooper? 143 00:12:11,253 --> 00:12:12,773 I am. 144 00:12:12,814 --> 00:12:15,681 Let's hope you have better luck than we did. 145 00:12:21,214 --> 00:12:23,893 Operation Huntsman. 146 00:12:23,934 --> 00:12:25,373 This was us. 147 00:12:25,414 --> 00:12:27,693 There's a few odds and sods stored elsewhere, 148 00:12:27,694 --> 00:12:31,373 but most of this was confiscated from Cooper's home. 149 00:12:31,414 --> 00:12:33,094 The place was a pigsty. 150 00:12:34,974 --> 00:12:38,252 You arrested him for a string of burglaries and robberies, 151 00:12:38,253 --> 00:12:41,333 but you also questioned him about the murders at Coastal Path. 152 00:12:41,334 --> 00:12:43,493 - Why? - His MO, sir. 153 00:12:43,533 --> 00:12:46,693 We did him for a robbery that was a carbon copy of the Coastal Path. 154 00:12:46,694 --> 00:12:49,054 Robbery, tied-up victim, a shotgun. 155 00:12:49,094 --> 00:12:52,550 That's why we also questioned him about Scoveston Park. 156 00:12:53,733 --> 00:12:55,573 20 years ago, Scoveston Park? 157 00:12:55,574 --> 00:12:58,094 21 years ago now. December, '85. 158 00:12:59,214 --> 00:13:01,974 Theft, arson and double murder. 159 00:13:04,133 --> 00:13:07,205 - Brother and sister. - Richard and Helen Thomas. 160 00:13:08,094 --> 00:13:10,892 The difference was that the killer resorted to arson 161 00:13:10,893 --> 00:13:13,426 to cover his tracks. He started a fire. 162 00:13:14,214 --> 00:13:16,694 He completely destroyed the place. 163 00:13:16,733 --> 00:13:18,573 Tough on evidence gathering. 164 00:13:18,574 --> 00:13:20,907 Yeah. And even tougher on forensics. 165 00:13:22,414 --> 00:13:24,612 Did Cooper tell you anything in the interviews? 166 00:13:24,613 --> 00:13:27,293 Nothing. When we mentioned the murders, he just shut down. 167 00:13:27,294 --> 00:13:29,133 We had to move on. 168 00:13:29,174 --> 00:13:30,492 With all the lesser offences, 169 00:13:30,493 --> 00:13:33,934 we found almost every single stolen item in his home. 170 00:13:33,974 --> 00:13:36,574 You charge them with what you can prove. 171 00:13:37,694 --> 00:13:39,573 - Did you speak to the family? - We did. 172 00:13:39,574 --> 00:13:41,413 Yeah, the wife gave us nothing. 173 00:13:41,414 --> 00:13:43,652 She was more frightened of him than us. 174 00:13:43,653 --> 00:13:45,574 The son was useful. 175 00:13:45,613 --> 00:13:47,333 Yeah, he hated his dad, though. 176 00:13:47,334 --> 00:13:49,534 He wanted nothing to do with him. 177 00:13:51,013 --> 00:13:54,012 The reason your Disability Allowance payment has been delayed 178 00:13:54,013 --> 00:13:55,852 is because you changed your first name. 179 00:13:55,853 --> 00:13:58,293 Yeah, eight years ago, by statutory declaration. 180 00:13:58,294 --> 00:14:00,693 I gave you people a copy of the certificate! 181 00:14:00,694 --> 00:14:02,094 Look... 182 00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:03,532 I've had enough of this. 183 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:05,413 Can you get a manager on the line, please? 184 00:14:05,414 --> 00:14:08,013 I'm not authorised to do that, sir. 185 00:14:08,054 --> 00:14:10,492 - What's your first name, Mr Cooper? - Andrew. 186 00:14:10,493 --> 00:14:12,414 Not Adrian, Andrew. 187 00:14:12,454 --> 00:14:14,094 Andrew Cooper. 188 00:14:14,133 --> 00:14:15,214 And... 189 00:14:15,253 --> 00:14:17,173 don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. 190 00:14:17,181 --> 00:14:20,253 - Hold the line, please, sir. - No, please don't... 191 00:14:20,414 --> 00:14:24,574 Please continue to hold. Your call is important to us. 192 00:14:38,843 --> 00:14:40,843 - Hi, Dad. - Oh, hello! 193 00:14:42,444 --> 00:14:43,483 Laundry. 194 00:14:43,524 --> 00:14:47,362 The machine at the salon's on the blink and you're closer than Mum's. 195 00:14:47,363 --> 00:14:48,684 Well... 196 00:14:49,883 --> 00:14:52,550 ...good to know I'm useful for something. 197 00:15:16,883 --> 00:15:18,243 Payment. 198 00:15:20,404 --> 00:15:22,284 "Maximum hold." 199 00:15:22,324 --> 00:15:24,083 Thank you, love. 200 00:15:24,123 --> 00:15:26,243 The place is looking nice now. 201 00:15:26,284 --> 00:15:27,644 Very tidy. 202 00:15:27,684 --> 00:15:31,076 It'll do, until I find something a bit more permanent. 203 00:15:31,083 --> 00:15:34,044 Do you want to stay, have a bite to eat? 204 00:15:34,083 --> 00:15:35,243 Sorry. 205 00:15:35,284 --> 00:15:36,722 Late for the cinema. 206 00:15:36,723 --> 00:15:38,403 OK, love, enjoy yourself. 207 00:15:43,243 --> 00:15:45,643 Jack's really chuffed that you're back. 208 00:15:45,644 --> 00:15:47,003 Is he? 209 00:15:47,044 --> 00:15:48,804 Don't try too hard. 210 00:15:49,843 --> 00:15:51,723 Just give him a bit of time. 211 00:15:52,764 --> 00:15:54,883 Right, OK. 212 00:15:54,924 --> 00:15:57,057 I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow. 213 00:15:57,083 --> 00:15:58,123 Hey... 214 00:15:59,243 --> 00:16:01,043 When did you become so mature? 215 00:16:01,044 --> 00:16:03,483 Ages ago. 216 00:16:03,524 --> 00:16:05,164 I'm a girl. 217 00:16:32,324 --> 00:16:34,843 John William Cooper. Do you know him? 218 00:16:34,883 --> 00:16:38,202 Yeah, I've heard of him. And Operation Huntsman, obviously. 219 00:16:38,203 --> 00:16:41,043 What would you say if I told you his offending kit for the robberies 220 00:16:41,044 --> 00:16:43,443 was black gloves, balaclava and shotgun? 221 00:16:43,444 --> 00:16:45,363 I'd say Nolton Hill Estate. 222 00:16:48,723 --> 00:16:50,202 The shotgun he used, 223 00:16:50,203 --> 00:16:53,683 recovered from a robbery gone wrong in the village of Sardis. 224 00:16:53,684 --> 00:16:56,482 It was the customised shoulder strap which got my attention. 225 00:16:56,483 --> 00:16:58,163 Sawn-off, modified stock. 226 00:16:59,243 --> 00:17:00,523 Jesus, Steve, is it him? 227 00:17:00,524 --> 00:17:02,243 Him who? 228 00:17:02,284 --> 00:17:03,963 What's going on? 229 00:17:04,003 --> 00:17:06,003 Do you remember Nolton Hill? 230 00:17:07,203 --> 00:17:09,602 Ten years ago. A few months before I left. 231 00:17:09,603 --> 00:17:12,323 A masked man with a shotgun attacked five teenagers 232 00:17:12,324 --> 00:17:13,602 near the Nolton Hill Estate. 233 00:17:13,603 --> 00:17:16,402 One of the girls was raped. Another sexually assaulted. 234 00:17:16,403 --> 00:17:18,602 - It was never solved. - I remember. 235 00:17:18,603 --> 00:17:20,602 DI Richards and myself were called in to assist. 236 00:17:20,603 --> 00:17:22,843 The two boys knew about guns. 237 00:17:22,883 --> 00:17:24,523 Yeah, they used to do a bit of rabbiting. 238 00:17:24,524 --> 00:17:27,842 Their description of the shotgun that the attacker used 239 00:17:27,843 --> 00:17:29,283 exactly matched that gun. 240 00:17:29,284 --> 00:17:31,284 Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve. 241 00:17:31,324 --> 00:17:33,523 The last I heard, you were looking at Coastal Path. 242 00:17:33,524 --> 00:17:34,843 I was. 243 00:17:34,883 --> 00:17:36,083 I am. 244 00:17:37,363 --> 00:17:39,043 And that led me to this. 245 00:17:41,004 --> 00:17:43,123 I'll ask you again, John, 246 00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:45,882 regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon 247 00:17:45,883 --> 00:17:49,443 on the morning of Thursday 29th June, 1989, 248 00:17:49,484 --> 00:17:51,617 were you the person responsible? 249 00:17:52,163 --> 00:17:54,683 I am not a murderer. 250 00:17:54,724 --> 00:17:56,922 - Strong accent. - South Pembrokeshire. 251 00:17:56,923 --> 00:17:58,163 Watch this... 252 00:17:58,204 --> 00:18:00,724 John, what about Scoveston Park? 253 00:18:00,764 --> 00:18:03,842 We have witnesses who say that you knew Richard and Helen Thomas. 254 00:18:03,843 --> 00:18:06,283 My client is exercising his right to silence. 255 00:18:06,284 --> 00:18:09,017 John... Come on, John, don't be like that. 256 00:18:10,484 --> 00:18:11,524 John. 257 00:18:11,564 --> 00:18:12,683 John! 258 00:18:13,804 --> 00:18:15,284 Steve... 259 00:18:15,324 --> 00:18:18,003 ever since Huntsman, gossip has put Cooper in the frame 260 00:18:18,004 --> 00:18:20,442 - for 101 offences. - I'm talking about just three. 261 00:18:20,443 --> 00:18:24,123 Coastal Path, Scoveston Park, Nolton Hill. 262 00:18:26,524 --> 00:18:28,643 I think he did them all. 263 00:19:01,524 --> 00:19:03,403 Not now, Jack. 264 00:19:09,524 --> 00:19:10,804 Here they come. 265 00:19:13,564 --> 00:19:16,203 How did Operation Huntsman miss all this? 266 00:19:16,204 --> 00:19:17,402 They didn't, ma'am. 267 00:19:17,403 --> 00:19:19,602 They questioned Cooper on all three cases 268 00:19:19,603 --> 00:19:21,403 and he just stayed mute. 269 00:19:21,443 --> 00:19:25,091 Plus, as I touched on earlier, there was no hard evidence. 270 00:19:25,964 --> 00:19:27,842 Where's your hard evidence, Steve? 271 00:19:27,843 --> 00:19:30,603 It's waiting for us to find, ma'am. 272 00:19:30,643 --> 00:19:33,243 Thanks to Huntsman and the original investigations, 273 00:19:33,244 --> 00:19:36,564 we have access to over 3,000 exhibits in storage. 274 00:19:36,603 --> 00:19:40,283 That's a potential treasure trove of victim and perpetrator DNA. 275 00:19:40,284 --> 00:19:41,682 At the time of Huntsman, 276 00:19:41,683 --> 00:19:44,243 the science wasn't up to scratch on age-degraded trace DNA. 277 00:19:44,244 --> 00:19:47,380 But as we know, things have come a long way since. 278 00:19:48,044 --> 00:19:49,803 Say you get enough to charge him. 279 00:19:49,804 --> 00:19:53,483 Charging a man with the murders of four adults is clear, simple. 280 00:19:53,484 --> 00:19:56,883 But you add five minors, rape, sexual assault, 281 00:19:56,923 --> 00:19:58,963 the Crown's case could seem muddled. 282 00:19:58,964 --> 00:20:01,284 The CPS won't like that. 283 00:20:01,324 --> 00:20:04,523 Perhaps it would be wiser to confine the review to the two murders. 284 00:20:04,524 --> 00:20:08,724 With respect, ma'am, I interviewed the five victims as a WDC. 285 00:20:08,764 --> 00:20:11,764 And it made quite an impression on me. 286 00:20:11,804 --> 00:20:14,243 So much so, I've kept tabs on them over the years. 287 00:20:14,244 --> 00:20:16,602 Now, some are doing better than others, but... 288 00:20:16,603 --> 00:20:19,284 all of them have been scarred for life. 289 00:20:19,324 --> 00:20:21,682 They had their childhood stolen from them that night. 290 00:20:21,683 --> 00:20:24,683 They deserve another chance at justice. 291 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:27,003 As do all the victims and their families. 292 00:20:27,004 --> 00:20:29,043 All I'm saying is, if you try to prove too much, 293 00:20:29,044 --> 00:20:31,204 you could lose everything. 294 00:20:31,244 --> 00:20:35,523 The killings at Scoveston Park and Coastal Path are like two bricks. 295 00:20:35,524 --> 00:20:39,122 And the attacks on the kids is the mortar that holds them together. 296 00:20:39,123 --> 00:20:41,643 It has elements of both cases. 297 00:20:41,683 --> 00:20:43,564 And, ma'am, erm... 298 00:20:43,603 --> 00:20:45,082 what are the odds that offences, 299 00:20:45,083 --> 00:20:48,123 which share so much similar fact evidence, 300 00:20:48,163 --> 00:20:51,811 in such a small area, were committed by more than one man? 301 00:20:54,764 --> 00:20:58,203 You know, if we reinvestigate and it doesn't go our way, 302 00:20:58,204 --> 00:21:02,564 the media, the public, the families, they'll crucify us. 303 00:21:02,603 --> 00:21:05,611 And if we don't go ahead, it could be far worse. 304 00:21:05,883 --> 00:21:07,243 We've put a call into MAPPA. 305 00:21:07,244 --> 00:21:09,563 A date's been set for his parole hearing. 306 00:21:09,564 --> 00:21:11,283 He could be out in three months. 307 00:21:11,284 --> 00:21:13,403 If he did do these murders, 308 00:21:13,443 --> 00:21:15,910 he is, by definition, a serial killer. 309 00:21:16,724 --> 00:21:20,443 And given the opportunity, men like him... 310 00:21:20,484 --> 00:21:22,164 they always kill again. 311 00:21:35,403 --> 00:21:36,804 Next. 312 00:22:01,324 --> 00:22:04,643 The next time you visit, make an effort, will you? 313 00:22:06,724 --> 00:22:09,123 You look like an old woman. 314 00:22:09,163 --> 00:22:10,964 Adrian's back. 315 00:22:11,004 --> 00:22:12,204 What? 316 00:22:12,244 --> 00:22:14,082 I saw Shirley from Birchmede. 317 00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,963 Her daughter's a receptionist in the hospital. 318 00:22:16,964 --> 00:22:19,362 Apparently, he was walking with a stick. 319 00:22:19,363 --> 00:22:20,683 A stick? 320 00:22:20,724 --> 00:22:23,283 - Well, that's gotta be a scam. - Well, that's what she said. 321 00:22:23,284 --> 00:22:25,283 Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that. 322 00:22:25,284 --> 00:22:26,643 He was a worker. 323 00:22:26,683 --> 00:22:28,563 What, you're defending him now, are you, hm? 324 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,843 He's dead to us. 325 00:22:45,403 --> 00:22:48,004 Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you? 326 00:22:48,044 --> 00:22:49,804 It wasn't you. 327 00:22:50,964 --> 00:22:53,563 It's all right, just relax, I've got you. 328 00:23:25,044 --> 00:23:27,163 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 329 00:23:27,204 --> 00:23:29,871 Cooper's last home before he went inside. 330 00:23:30,883 --> 00:23:33,162 Walk in any direction from this point 331 00:23:33,163 --> 00:23:36,483 and you'll hit a home he targeted between '83 and '96. 332 00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,162 It's the hub of the wheel. 333 00:23:38,163 --> 00:23:39,843 In this tiny area, 334 00:23:39,883 --> 00:23:43,363 34 burglaries and robberies, one rape of a minor, 335 00:23:43,403 --> 00:23:45,670 one indecent assault of a minor... 336 00:23:46,244 --> 00:23:47,764 ...and two murders. 337 00:23:50,284 --> 00:23:51,884 If walls could talk. 338 00:23:59,004 --> 00:24:00,724 Been back since? 339 00:24:00,764 --> 00:24:03,564 A few times to see how the kids were doing. 340 00:24:08,603 --> 00:24:12,003 So, I was thinking a start-up team of six, including us, 341 00:24:12,004 --> 00:24:13,283 cherry-picked from division. 342 00:24:13,284 --> 00:24:16,044 That way, we can keep things covert 343 00:24:16,083 --> 00:24:17,682 and it should be easier on our budget. 344 00:24:17,683 --> 00:24:19,443 Mm, sounds like a plan. 345 00:24:20,764 --> 00:24:23,043 I really appreciate you bringing me in on this, Steve. 346 00:24:23,044 --> 00:24:25,564 Your reputation brought you in. 347 00:24:25,603 --> 00:24:28,044 WDC to DI in ten years. 348 00:24:28,083 --> 00:24:30,083 Says Mr DS to Superintendent. 349 00:24:30,123 --> 00:24:31,564 London. 350 00:24:31,603 --> 00:24:33,403 The worst years of my life. 351 00:24:36,603 --> 00:24:39,867 Yeah, I was sorry to hear about you and your missus. 352 00:24:40,123 --> 00:24:41,804 It is what it is. 353 00:24:58,643 --> 00:25:01,715 They were so close to home when he attacked them. 354 00:25:02,564 --> 00:25:04,443 It looks so bloody ordinary. 355 00:25:08,964 --> 00:25:11,083 To Operation Ottawa. 356 00:25:14,524 --> 00:25:16,124 To Operation Ottawa. 357 00:26:18,879 --> 00:26:20,079 It's all right. 358 00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:23,278 This is home. 359 00:26:23,318 --> 00:26:25,198 The first rule of Operation Ottawa 360 00:26:25,199 --> 00:26:27,918 is you do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 361 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,118 The second rule of Operation Ottawa is...? 362 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,652 You do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 363 00:26:32,919 --> 00:26:35,199 It's from Fight Club. It's a film. 364 00:26:35,238 --> 00:26:38,078 Thank you, Barry Norman. 365 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,478 We don't say a word to friends, colleagues or family. 366 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,998 Yeah, they'll get narky with us, but it's the way it has to be. 367 00:26:44,999 --> 00:26:48,037 We don't want Cooper, or the media, seeing us coming. 368 00:26:48,038 --> 00:26:49,518 Boss... 369 00:26:49,558 --> 00:26:52,278 Cold cases are 99% forensics. 370 00:26:52,318 --> 00:26:54,651 So, we need to do everything we can 371 00:26:54,679 --> 00:26:58,879 to help the scientists find that DNA golden nugget, 372 00:26:58,919 --> 00:27:03,639 the DNA hit that unites culprit and victim in the same time and place. 373 00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:04,918 Now, our forensics 374 00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:07,997 mustn't be tainted by any of the work that's gone before. 375 00:27:07,998 --> 00:27:11,477 Previous investigations had all their testing done in-house 376 00:27:11,478 --> 00:27:13,398 by the Forensic Science Service. 377 00:27:13,399 --> 00:27:15,558 But the science has moved on. 378 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:17,837 We need a fresh pair of eyes on this. 379 00:27:17,838 --> 00:27:18,959 Angela Gallop. 380 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,158 She has been involved in 381 00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:24,398 some of the highest profile cases of the last ten years. 382 00:27:24,399 --> 00:27:28,399 Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence, Damilola Taylor. 383 00:27:28,439 --> 00:27:30,638 Dr Gallop and her team are the best in the business. 384 00:27:30,639 --> 00:27:32,518 But they can only find what they're looking for 385 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,998 if they look in the right place. And that's where we come in. 386 00:27:34,999 --> 00:27:36,878 We need to identify which items of evidence 387 00:27:36,879 --> 00:27:41,318 are most likely to carry Cooper and/or victim DNA in whatever form. 388 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,919 Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood. 389 00:27:43,959 --> 00:27:45,757 Now, in an ideal world, there'd be no limit 390 00:27:45,758 --> 00:27:47,958 to the amount of exhibits we could send for analysis. 391 00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:49,439 But... 392 00:27:49,478 --> 00:27:50,958 forensic work is not cheap. 393 00:27:50,959 --> 00:27:53,758 And our budget is finite. 394 00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,159 In short, whatever we send 395 00:27:56,199 --> 00:27:58,932 needs to be chosen very fucking carefully. 396 00:28:04,038 --> 00:28:05,557 Our first case tonight 397 00:28:05,558 --> 00:28:08,198 is an extraordinary double murder in South Wales. 398 00:28:08,199 --> 00:28:10,679 On the evening of 22nd December, 1985, 399 00:28:10,719 --> 00:28:13,317 Richard Thomas and his sister, Helen Thomas, 400 00:28:13,318 --> 00:28:15,118 were attacked in their home 401 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,118 at Scoveston Park, three miles outside Milford. 402 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,918 She was shot, probably in her bedroom. 403 00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:20,958 And it was in that room at about ten o'clock 404 00:28:20,959 --> 00:28:22,638 that the fire was started. 405 00:28:22,639 --> 00:28:26,317 Richard Thomas died of shotgun wounds to the stomach and the head. 406 00:28:26,318 --> 00:28:30,719 Emergency services were called at 1:15am on 23rd of December. 407 00:28:30,758 --> 00:28:33,797 Scene of Crime Officers entered the property the following morning 408 00:28:33,798 --> 00:28:35,317 and found Helen Thomas' body on a bed. 409 00:28:35,318 --> 00:28:37,118 It's believed she was sexually assaulted. 410 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,599 On the morning of June 29th, 1989, 411 00:28:39,639 --> 00:28:44,238 Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path 412 00:28:44,278 --> 00:28:45,557 near Little Haven. 413 00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:48,598 The couple from Oxford decided to take a short walk 414 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,797 while they waited for their tent to dry. 415 00:28:50,798 --> 00:28:53,958 Their bodies were found six days later on the cliffs at Little Haven. 416 00:28:53,959 --> 00:28:57,478 Now, one of Wales most spectacular beauty spots... 417 00:28:57,518 --> 00:29:02,998 Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm on Wednesday 6th March, 1996, 418 00:29:03,038 --> 00:29:07,998 five children, aged between 15 and 16, were attacked in a field 419 00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:09,398 next to the Norton Hill Estate. 420 00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:12,359 On the evening of November 22nd, 1996, 421 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:16,318 a bungalow in Sardis, six miles from Milford, was burgled. 422 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,078 The victim was confronted by a man in a balaclava. 423 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:21,638 They were approached by a masked man. 424 00:29:21,639 --> 00:29:23,918 The children were threatened, told to lie on the ground. 425 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:26,918 One of the girls was raped, another indecently assaulted. 426 00:29:26,919 --> 00:29:30,477 The victim managed to press a panic alarm, causing the offender to flee, 427 00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,398 depositing personal items as he ran. 428 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:36,838 These included stolen jewellery, items of clothing, a balaclava, 429 00:29:36,879 --> 00:29:40,478 some black gloves and his double-barrel shotgun. 430 00:29:40,518 --> 00:29:42,718 One of the boys was struck in the head 431 00:29:42,719 --> 00:29:44,958 with a sawn-off double-barrel shotgun. 432 00:29:44,959 --> 00:29:49,159 Then husband and wife were shot at point-blank range. 433 00:29:49,199 --> 00:29:52,757 Forensic evidence suggests Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 434 00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:54,478 at this location here. 435 00:29:54,518 --> 00:29:57,198 Most of the evidence was destroyed in the fire. 436 00:29:57,199 --> 00:30:00,198 They did manage to retrieve a sock belonging to Mr Thomas 437 00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:02,198 and a few other items, but that's it. 438 00:30:02,199 --> 00:30:05,399 - No DNA would have survived a fire like that. - No. 439 00:30:05,439 --> 00:30:07,797 Just save our money for items more likely to yield a hit. 440 00:30:07,798 --> 00:30:09,531 Coastal Path, Nolton Hill. 441 00:30:09,558 --> 00:30:10,758 Agreed. 442 00:30:10,798 --> 00:30:13,158 But we still need to recover any Scoveston Park exhibits 443 00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:15,626 that would support our take on his MO. 444 00:30:16,558 --> 00:30:17,798 Exactly. 445 00:30:17,838 --> 00:30:19,077 Tied-up victims. 446 00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,557 The rope used to bind Helen Thomas' hands. 447 00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:24,159 Helen Thomas' bra was torn. 448 00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:26,038 That's sexual assault. 449 00:30:44,238 --> 00:30:45,359 MTJ/29. 450 00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:47,359 - Er, clothing. - Yeah. 451 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,159 CJE/2. 452 00:30:50,199 --> 00:30:51,477 Nolton Hill rainbow T-shirt. 453 00:30:51,478 --> 00:30:53,077 Give me ten patch tests 454 00:30:53,078 --> 00:30:55,517 on that, corresponding with the victim's bruising. 455 00:30:55,518 --> 00:30:56,599 Yeah. 456 00:30:56,639 --> 00:30:58,798 - CJE/16. - Coastal Path rope. 457 00:30:58,838 --> 00:31:00,599 Despite a massive search 458 00:31:00,639 --> 00:31:02,837 for a suspect seen using the Dixons' cash card... 459 00:31:02,838 --> 00:31:05,358 Peter Dixon's bank card was used to withdraw cash 460 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,758 from NatWest cashpoint machines 461 00:31:07,798 --> 00:31:10,919 at Pembroke, Haverfordwest and Carmarthen. 462 00:31:10,959 --> 00:31:12,477 A man wearing shorts 463 00:31:12,478 --> 00:31:15,198 was seen by a member of the public making one of these withdrawals. 464 00:31:15,199 --> 00:31:18,959 From this siting, police made this artist's impression. 465 00:31:24,919 --> 00:31:29,119 Exhibit reference number MTJ/14, black balaclava. 466 00:31:29,159 --> 00:31:32,119 Exhibit reference PH/2, double-barrel shotgun. 467 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,359 - The Sardis gun, yeah? - Yeah. 468 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,878 12 patches tested. Six on the barrel, six on the stock. 469 00:31:38,879 --> 00:31:43,558 In total, officers recovered 66 items in a fairly straight line 470 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:48,399 from the bungalow in Sardis to 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 471 00:31:49,959 --> 00:31:52,439 The home of John William Cooper. 472 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:09,599 Dad? 473 00:32:10,679 --> 00:32:11,838 Hiya, Jack! 474 00:32:13,558 --> 00:32:17,199 - Have I come at a bad time? - No, no, of course not. 475 00:32:17,238 --> 00:32:18,318 Well... 476 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,359 let the male bonding commence. 477 00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:23,757 Does your mother know you're here? 478 00:32:23,758 --> 00:32:27,178 Yeah. You don't need to check, Dad, she knows. 479 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:29,734 You two haven't had a fight, by any chance? 480 00:32:29,735 --> 00:32:31,758 Nothing major. 481 00:32:31,798 --> 00:32:33,159 All right. 482 00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:34,199 OK. 483 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:38,412 Well, you know where it is. Go and unpack. 484 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:56,838 - Morning. - Yeah, Steve. 485 00:32:56,879 --> 00:32:58,879 You need to re-route to HQ. 486 00:32:58,919 --> 00:33:01,159 We've got a fly in the ointment. 487 00:33:13,998 --> 00:33:15,439 Morning. 488 00:33:15,478 --> 00:33:17,118 Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins. 489 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,986 - Just a moment. - Thank you. 490 00:33:32,959 --> 00:33:34,399 Mr Hill. 491 00:33:34,439 --> 00:33:38,151 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID. 492 00:33:38,959 --> 00:33:40,958 Comms referred your query to me. 493 00:33:40,959 --> 00:33:42,878 I understand you want to make a programme 494 00:33:42,879 --> 00:33:44,946 about the Coastal Path murders. 495 00:33:45,639 --> 00:33:48,757 Erm, actually, it's a bit more specific than that. 496 00:33:48,758 --> 00:33:50,477 Erm, I would like to make a documentary 497 00:33:50,478 --> 00:33:53,399 exploring the possibility that... 498 00:33:53,439 --> 00:33:55,198 the double murders at Coastal Path 499 00:33:55,199 --> 00:33:58,591 might be linked to the ones at Scoveston Park in 1985. 500 00:33:59,278 --> 00:34:01,345 That would be a problem for us. 501 00:34:02,278 --> 00:34:03,798 How do you mean? 502 00:34:03,838 --> 00:34:07,550 Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you cannot leave this room. 503 00:34:09,518 --> 00:34:13,998 I'm not in the habit of agreeing to things before I know what they are. 504 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,878 We are re-investigating the two offences. 505 00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:22,237 Right, and how would a documentary about the murders 506 00:34:22,238 --> 00:34:23,678 interfere with that? 507 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,078 The killer, or killers, think they've got away with murder. 508 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,437 A news piece would rattle them, make them vigilant. 509 00:34:29,438 --> 00:34:33,342 And that would be weeks of covert police work down the toilet. 510 00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:35,159 So... 511 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,878 I'll tell you what. 512 00:34:36,918 --> 00:34:39,118 If you agree to shelve your proposed documentary, 513 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,398 maintain a news blackout, 514 00:34:41,438 --> 00:34:43,639 when we're ready to go public, 515 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,546 I will see to it that you get the exclusive. 516 00:34:50,798 --> 00:34:51,999 OK. 517 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:54,399 OK, it's a deal. 518 00:34:57,318 --> 00:34:58,957 I want Dyfed Powys Police 519 00:34:58,958 --> 00:35:02,559 and the media to stop fighting and start collaborating. 520 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,079 But... 521 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,238 if you fuck me on this, 522 00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:10,479 I will see to it that every officer from CID to peach-fuzz PC 523 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,783 knows that Jonathan Hill is not a man to be trusted. 524 00:35:20,798 --> 00:35:21,999 Boss... 525 00:35:25,318 --> 00:35:27,119 What the fuck are those? 526 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:28,917 Professional portrait photos. 527 00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:31,039 They had them done in 1978 528 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,151 after he won all that money on the Spot The Ball. 529 00:35:36,479 --> 00:35:37,837 Those teeth don't look real. 530 00:35:37,838 --> 00:35:40,678 They're the only two photographs Huntsman found in the whole house. 531 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,877 I've done a lot of evidence recovery in my time. 532 00:35:42,878 --> 00:35:44,478 Two photos in a family home? 533 00:35:44,479 --> 00:35:46,318 - It's not right. - Mm. 534 00:35:46,358 --> 00:35:50,006 - Together, but apart. - And their son nowhere to be seen. 535 00:36:07,238 --> 00:36:09,999 You've been the model prisoner, Mr Cooper. 536 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,237 How confident are you that you can maintain 537 00:36:12,238 --> 00:36:15,719 this change for the better in the outside world? 538 00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:17,519 100%, your honour. 539 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,199 One of the offences involved violence towards a woman. 540 00:36:21,238 --> 00:36:23,358 What can you say to reassure us 541 00:36:23,398 --> 00:36:26,718 that you no longer pose a threat to the female members of the community? 542 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,852 I'm not the same man that I was. 543 00:36:28,878 --> 00:36:31,345 The love and the loyalty of my wife... 544 00:36:32,918 --> 00:36:34,719 ...has helped me with that. 545 00:36:34,758 --> 00:36:37,158 Your wife has been a regular visitor. 546 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:41,479 But your son, Adrian, hasn't visited you once. 547 00:36:43,438 --> 00:36:46,078 I haven't been the best father, I'll admit that. 548 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,727 Although, I do plan to make it up to him, if he'll let me. 549 00:36:49,878 --> 00:36:52,278 I'm 62, Adrian is nearly 40, 550 00:36:52,318 --> 00:36:53,479 so... 551 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,535 Craig says that a man is never too old to want his dad. 552 00:37:00,918 --> 00:37:02,918 AGJ/28. 553 00:37:02,958 --> 00:37:05,358 "AGJ/28"... 554 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,838 - That's rejected. - Negative for DNA. 555 00:37:09,878 --> 00:37:11,798 AGJ/39. 556 00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:13,479 "AGJ/39"... 557 00:37:15,999 --> 00:37:18,277 - That's rejected, too. - Negative for DNA. 558 00:37:18,278 --> 00:37:21,678 Is it just me, or is this beginning to look a bit bloody hopeless? 559 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,318 DC Rowe... 560 00:37:23,358 --> 00:37:25,118 if we can't keep the faith, 561 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,198 we have no right representing the victims or their families. 562 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:29,479 Sorry, boss. 563 00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:30,957 - Momentary lapse. - All right. 564 00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:32,838 Yeah, thanks. 565 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,318 - Boss... - Yeah? 566 00:37:36,358 --> 00:37:38,479 Cooper's been granted parole. 567 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:40,438 That was Dyffryn Prison. 568 00:37:40,479 --> 00:37:44,191 They've no idea who they're dealing with. He's played them. 569 00:37:52,418 --> 00:37:57,979 John Cooper is the prime suspect in a major crime review. 570 00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:03,778 I am requesting his release on parole be revoked. 571 00:38:06,218 --> 00:38:08,418 Well, what's the crime? 572 00:38:08,459 --> 00:38:10,858 I can't share that information. 573 00:38:10,898 --> 00:38:14,138 Well, clearly, you don't have a case, or you'd be charging him. 574 00:38:14,139 --> 00:38:18,539 Cooper is a dangerous man. That is a matter of public record. 575 00:38:18,579 --> 00:38:20,459 People change. 576 00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:22,138 That's a matter of rehabilitation. 577 00:38:22,139 --> 00:38:26,338 I'm sure your client can be very agreeable when it suits him. 578 00:38:26,378 --> 00:38:29,658 Your timing is not convenient, Superintendent Wilkins. 579 00:38:29,659 --> 00:38:33,563 Can you at least give us a date when you expect to charge him? 580 00:38:34,499 --> 00:38:35,658 Not at present. 581 00:38:35,659 --> 00:38:39,499 But in the meantime, John's rights can just go hang? 582 00:38:39,539 --> 00:38:41,939 The safety of the public comes first. 583 00:38:42,818 --> 00:38:44,751 I think we all agree on that. 584 00:39:08,858 --> 00:39:11,391 Although we've got a stay of execution, 585 00:39:11,418 --> 00:39:15,002 he's guaranteed another parole hearing within 3-6 months. 586 00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,698 If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team still haven't found 587 00:39:17,699 --> 00:39:20,898 our golden nugget, he'll be released. 588 00:39:20,938 --> 00:39:23,098 But we're not gonna let that happen. 589 00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:25,738 It's time to send Cooper a message. 590 00:39:29,258 --> 00:39:30,699 Good evening. 591 00:39:30,738 --> 00:39:33,458 Organisers say we're on the eve of the biggest industrial dispute 592 00:39:33,459 --> 00:39:36,179 since the national strike of 1926. 593 00:39:36,218 --> 00:39:37,658 So, what's it all about, 594 00:39:37,659 --> 00:39:40,459 and how will it affect you and your family? 595 00:39:45,659 --> 00:39:47,258 - Cheers. - Cheers. 596 00:39:54,659 --> 00:39:56,297 We think one man did all four murders 597 00:39:56,298 --> 00:39:58,858 and we need your help to catch him. 598 00:39:58,898 --> 00:40:00,498 I want to make a personal televised 599 00:40:00,499 --> 00:40:02,978 appeal for information on the evening news. 600 00:40:02,979 --> 00:40:04,777 Do you think you'll get anything useful? 601 00:40:04,778 --> 00:40:06,898 It's a smokescreen. 602 00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:08,618 We're going to interview the suspect. 603 00:40:08,619 --> 00:40:11,937 I want to use the appeal to send a message to him in advance. 604 00:40:11,938 --> 00:40:14,698 Plant something in his brain, make him good and paranoid. 605 00:40:14,699 --> 00:40:16,937 We're reinvestigating the cases and we... 606 00:40:16,938 --> 00:40:19,946 are confident we'll catch the culprit using DNA. 607 00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:22,217 Have you found something? 608 00:40:22,218 --> 00:40:23,778 No. 609 00:40:23,818 --> 00:40:25,458 But he doesn't know that. 610 00:40:25,459 --> 00:40:27,978 And who better than the killer to help us refine our search? 611 00:40:27,979 --> 00:40:30,418 Handled right, liars have a way of 612 00:40:30,459 --> 00:40:32,992 telling you more than is good for them. 613 00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:36,297 OK, I'm on board, but just one thing, 614 00:40:36,298 --> 00:40:38,618 how can you be sure he'll be watching when you need him to? 615 00:40:38,619 --> 00:40:40,858 He's a creature of habit. 616 00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:45,099 I have it on good authority that he never misses Wales Tonight. 617 00:40:57,699 --> 00:40:59,099 Ta. 618 00:41:01,499 --> 00:41:03,299 About the news thing, boss. 619 00:41:04,139 --> 00:41:06,897 Are you gonna mention the kids? Nolton Hill? 620 00:41:06,898 --> 00:41:08,378 Definitely not. 621 00:41:09,619 --> 00:41:12,058 Why upset them when we don't even know if the CPS 622 00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:14,859 will include the offence on the indictment? 623 00:41:20,139 --> 00:41:23,787 There is someone who we should give a heads-up to, though. 624 00:41:54,338 --> 00:41:56,205 - Who is it? - Andrew Cooper? 625 00:41:57,298 --> 00:41:59,498 - Who wants to know? - The police. 626 00:42:05,938 --> 00:42:07,258 ID. 627 00:42:11,818 --> 00:42:13,539 Thank you. 628 00:42:15,858 --> 00:42:18,579 You're not an easy man to track down. 629 00:42:18,619 --> 00:42:21,691 We were looking for an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper. 630 00:42:22,818 --> 00:42:24,178 I get that a lot. 631 00:42:24,179 --> 00:42:25,698 Why did you change your name? 632 00:42:28,218 --> 00:42:29,858 Why are you here? 633 00:42:31,059 --> 00:42:34,058 We thought we should let you know that we are... 634 00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:36,377 investigating the possibility that your father 635 00:42:36,378 --> 00:42:39,698 may have been involved in other, more serious crimes. 636 00:42:39,699 --> 00:42:41,978 We're going to make a public appeal for information. 637 00:42:41,979 --> 00:42:45,115 I don't like people referring to him as my father. 638 00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:48,499 OK, I'm sorry. 639 00:42:48,539 --> 00:42:50,858 What would you prefer? 640 00:42:50,898 --> 00:42:52,179 His name. 641 00:42:54,258 --> 00:42:55,698 What other crimes? 642 00:42:57,179 --> 00:42:58,539 Four murders. 643 00:42:58,579 --> 00:43:00,898 Scoveston Park and Coastal Path. 644 00:43:04,099 --> 00:43:07,491 I'm not getting dragged back into all that shit again. 645 00:43:07,818 --> 00:43:10,085 I told Huntsman everything I know. 646 00:43:13,418 --> 00:43:14,897 He's got his father's eyes. 647 00:43:14,898 --> 00:43:16,297 Yeah, I clocked that. 648 00:43:16,298 --> 00:43:18,618 Why do you think he only changed his first name? 649 00:43:18,619 --> 00:43:20,817 If you wanna lie low, you change your surname. 650 00:43:20,818 --> 00:43:22,817 Maybe it wasn't about lying low. 651 00:43:22,818 --> 00:43:26,786 He changed his name in 1998, the same year Cooper was put away. 652 00:43:26,818 --> 00:43:28,777 Maybe it was about starting again. 653 00:43:28,778 --> 00:43:30,539 A new name, a new life. 654 00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:32,937 Doesn't look like that's working out too well for him. 655 00:43:32,938 --> 00:43:36,138 - The poor guy's a wreck. - And then we come along. 656 00:44:17,218 --> 00:44:19,099 - Are you OK? - Yeah. 657 00:44:19,139 --> 00:44:20,139 Mm-hm. 658 00:44:22,059 --> 00:44:24,859 It's just you and me having a conversation. 659 00:44:26,019 --> 00:44:27,179 Yeah. 660 00:44:28,179 --> 00:44:31,187 In front of a few hundred thousand people, live. 661 00:44:35,898 --> 00:44:38,179 You know, in my first year at uni, 662 00:44:38,218 --> 00:44:41,138 me and some of my mates went camping near here. 663 00:44:41,139 --> 00:44:44,147 It was July 1989. It was just after the murders. 664 00:44:45,699 --> 00:44:48,258 We saw all the police activity. 665 00:44:48,298 --> 00:44:49,818 The wanted posters. 666 00:44:51,019 --> 00:44:52,139 It was scary. 667 00:44:53,979 --> 00:44:55,579 Fascinating as well. 668 00:44:57,139 --> 00:45:00,275 It's what made me want to become a crime reporter. 669 00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:03,898 Good to go? 670 00:45:05,019 --> 00:45:06,699 - Let's do it. - Yeah. 671 00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:29,018 Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 672 00:45:29,019 --> 00:45:31,217 where there have been dramatic developments 673 00:45:31,218 --> 00:45:33,658 in two of Wales's most baffling crimes - 674 00:45:33,659 --> 00:45:36,138 the murders of Richard and Helen Thomas, 675 00:45:36,139 --> 00:45:37,817 and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 676 00:45:37,818 --> 00:45:39,619 And now, decades on, 677 00:45:39,659 --> 00:45:42,337 these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 678 00:45:42,338 --> 00:45:44,377 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 679 00:45:44,378 --> 00:45:47,659 is the man leading this reinvestigation. 680 00:45:47,699 --> 00:45:50,857 Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised cold case reviews. 681 00:45:50,858 --> 00:45:53,297 As a team, we have brought these processes to bear 682 00:45:53,298 --> 00:45:54,777 on these two investigations 683 00:45:54,778 --> 00:45:57,418 and they have had a significant impact. 684 00:45:57,459 --> 00:46:00,817 We believe that somebody watching this programme tonight 685 00:46:00,818 --> 00:46:03,458 may know who is responsible for these terrible crimes. 686 00:46:03,459 --> 00:46:04,857 And I'm appealing to them, 687 00:46:04,858 --> 00:46:07,058 for the sake of the victims and their families, 688 00:46:07,059 --> 00:46:08,618 to please come forward. 689 00:46:08,619 --> 00:46:10,817 And do you think it's the same local man 690 00:46:10,818 --> 00:46:12,538 responsible for all four murders? 691 00:46:12,539 --> 00:46:14,178 I do believe that, Jonathan. 692 00:46:14,179 --> 00:46:17,018 Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 693 00:46:17,019 --> 00:46:18,578 we are now in a much stronger position 694 00:46:18,579 --> 00:46:20,712 to catch the person responsible. 53406

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