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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:33,864 Now, I first thought the two Kids who did this came from someplace else. 2 00:00:34,468 --> 00:00:37,904 When I learned that they had grown up in Laramie, I was just floored. 3 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:53,084 In Laramie, Wyoming... 4 00:00:53,154 --> 00:00:57,921 ...a young man is in a deep coma, near death from a savage beating. 5 00:01:02,663 --> 00:01:05,393 When I first found out, I just thought it was horrible. 6 00:01:07,702 --> 00:01:09,033 Nobody deserves that. 7 00:01:09,837 --> 00:01:11,270 I don't care who you are. 8 00:01:14,775 --> 00:01:16,606 A college freshman was beaten... 9 00:01:16,677 --> 00:01:20,044 ...tied to a fence, and left for dead in Wyoming this week. 10 00:01:23,985 --> 00:01:26,954 You'd like to think this was somebody from out of town. 11 00:01:27,021 --> 00:01:29,546 Somebody who comes through and beats somebody up. 12 00:01:32,326 --> 00:01:36,695 But if we're talking about somebody who's been beaten repeatedly... 13 00:01:36,764 --> 00:01:40,757 ...by somebody from our town, that certainly offends us. 14 00:01:47,008 --> 00:01:51,672 If you asked me before, I would have told you Laramie is a beautiful town. 15 00:01:51,746 --> 00:01:54,112 It's secluded, you know, secluded enough... 16 00:01:54,181 --> 00:01:56,741 ...so you can have your own identity. 17 00:01:57,752 --> 00:02:00,550 Now, after Matthew... 18 00:02:00,888 --> 00:02:05,382 ...we're a town defined by an accident or a crime. 19 00:02:05,660 --> 00:02:07,685 We've become Waco or Jasper. 20 00:02:08,829 --> 00:02:11,889 We're a noun, or a definition, or a sign. 21 00:02:23,944 --> 00:02:26,913 - Do you mind if I tape this? - No, I don't mind. 22 00:02:27,048 --> 00:02:30,814 Great. Thank you again for taking time out of your rehearsal to talk to me. 23 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:35,947 I must tell you, when I first heard you were thinking of coming here... 24 00:02:36,023 --> 00:02:37,957 ...when you first called me... 25 00:02:38,025 --> 00:02:39,390 ...I wanted to say: 26 00:02:40,127 --> 00:02:43,722 "You just kicked me in the stomach. Why are you doing this to me?" 27 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:48,999 And then I thought, "Well, that's stupid. You're not doing this to me. " 28 00:02:49,704 --> 00:02:51,331 And more importantly... 29 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,940 ...my students need to talk. 30 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:57,742 When this first happened, they started to talk about it. 31 00:02:57,845 --> 00:03:00,678 Then the media descended and all dialogue stopped. 32 00:03:00,781 --> 00:03:02,335 We're not reporters. 33 00:03:02,469 --> 00:03:04,198 I know. I read your last play. 34 00:03:04,271 --> 00:03:05,704 You did? 35 00:03:07,073 --> 00:03:09,064 Gave me an idea of what you do. 36 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:13,346 Moises called, saying he had an idea for his next theatre project... 37 00:03:13,413 --> 00:03:17,747 ...but there was a somberness to his voice, so I asked him what it was all about. 38 00:03:18,051 --> 00:03:21,248 He said he wanted to do a piece about what's happening in Wyoming. 39 00:03:21,521 --> 00:03:26,549 Leigh told me that the company was thinking of going down to Laramie... 40 00:03:26,693 --> 00:03:29,161 ...and conducting interviews, and did I want to come? 41 00:03:29,229 --> 00:03:31,424 I did, I said, yeah, but... 42 00:03:31,932 --> 00:03:35,527 ...I was hesitant, because as a gay man... 43 00:03:36,403 --> 00:03:37,563 I mean... 44 00:03:38,438 --> 00:03:41,202 ...a kid had just been killed there because he was gay. 45 00:03:41,441 --> 00:03:43,102 What exactly do you want? 46 00:03:43,477 --> 00:03:46,913 I'd like you to give me names of people who might want to talk to us. 47 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:49,813 I'd like to talk to your students and your friends. 48 00:03:49,883 --> 00:03:51,942 I want to hear from the people of the town. 49 00:03:52,018 --> 00:03:54,680 I have never done anything like this before. 50 00:03:54,855 --> 00:03:58,382 How do you get people to talk to you? What do you ask? 51 00:03:58,525 --> 00:04:00,652 It's still very raw for us here. 52 00:04:00,894 --> 00:04:04,261 I understand, but this is no longer about Laramie or Wyoming. 53 00:04:04,331 --> 00:04:06,424 This is about the whole country. 54 00:04:11,505 --> 00:04:14,599 To me, it's still about Laramie. 55 00:04:15,809 --> 00:04:19,677 The company has agreed to go to Laramie and interview the people of the town. 56 00:04:19,746 --> 00:04:24,080 I'm scared, because I don't know what I'm gonna do to ensure their safety. 57 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:25,947 I made a preliminary contact... 58 00:04:26,019 --> 00:04:29,978 ...with the head of the theatre department at the University of Wyoming... 59 00:04:30,056 --> 00:04:32,718 ...and hopefully that will lead to more interviews. 60 00:04:34,227 --> 00:04:35,421 You're late. 61 00:04:35,629 --> 00:04:38,223 I know. We talked for a lot longer than I planned. 62 00:04:38,298 --> 00:04:39,390 What did Rebecca say? 63 00:04:39,466 --> 00:04:42,299 She gave me names of people who might talk to us. 64 00:04:42,369 --> 00:04:46,772 Townspeople, ranchers, some students. We should contact these people first. 65 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,231 let's see if anybody's gonna talk. 66 00:04:49,910 --> 00:04:52,708 - Great. - You okay? What? 67 00:04:52,812 --> 00:04:54,541 Please, don't do that here. 68 00:04:54,915 --> 00:04:57,577 - Where are you folks from? - New York. 69 00:04:57,717 --> 00:04:59,685 And what brings you to town? 70 00:05:02,055 --> 00:05:03,818 We're just passing through. 71 00:05:21,308 --> 00:05:22,297 Hi. 72 00:05:23,109 --> 00:05:25,634 - Is Linda home? - Nope, she's working. 73 00:05:25,779 --> 00:05:29,738 Okay. Can you tell her that Amanda stopped by and I'll be at the Ranger Motel? 74 00:05:29,816 --> 00:05:30,942 And who are you? 75 00:05:31,017 --> 00:05:34,418 I'm with a theatre company. Rebecca Hilliker told her about me. 76 00:05:34,554 --> 00:05:36,579 I never heard of her. What do you want? 77 00:05:36,656 --> 00:05:41,218 We're writing a play about Laramie and the Matthew Sheppard incident. 78 00:05:41,294 --> 00:05:42,852 Why are you doing that? 79 00:05:43,263 --> 00:05:45,094 We think it's a story that- 80 00:05:45,165 --> 00:05:48,134 Sticking your nose into something we don't need to talk about. 81 00:05:48,201 --> 00:05:51,967 - That's over and done. - I understand your feeling- 82 00:05:52,038 --> 00:05:54,973 We don't want any more of this. You're not wanted here. 83 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,744 Where are you going with this story? 84 00:06:02,983 --> 00:06:05,850 When the play is finished, we'll bring it around to Laramie. 85 00:06:05,986 --> 00:06:09,149 - And you're gonna use our words? - That's the idea. 86 00:06:14,527 --> 00:06:18,293 I've been close enough to the case to know many of the people. 87 00:06:19,099 --> 00:06:21,897 I have a daughter, works in the Sheriff's department. 88 00:06:22,435 --> 00:06:24,494 As for the "gay issue"... 89 00:06:24,671 --> 00:06:28,232 ...I don't give a damn one way or another as long as they don't bother me. 90 00:06:28,308 --> 00:06:31,004 And even if they did, I'd just say, "No, thank you. " 91 00:06:31,144 --> 00:06:34,170 That's the attitude of most of the Laramie population. 92 00:06:34,547 --> 00:06:38,381 They might poke one in a bar situation, you know. 93 00:06:38,451 --> 00:06:41,909 If they had been drinking, they might smack one in the mouth... 94 00:06:41,988 --> 00:06:46,584 ...but then they'd just walk away. Laramie is live-and-let-live. 95 00:06:47,794 --> 00:06:52,493 My dear brothers and sisters, I am here today to bring you the Word of the Lord. 96 00:06:52,799 --> 00:06:57,327 In my ministry, I've found a simple truth that I'd like to share with you today. 97 00:06:57,404 --> 00:06:58,393 It's this: 98 00:06:58,471 --> 00:07:01,804 The Word is either sufficient... 99 00:07:02,575 --> 00:07:03,940 ...or it is not. 100 00:07:04,310 --> 00:07:07,507 Scientists tell me that human history... 101 00:07:07,981 --> 00:07:12,975 ...that the world is five billion or six billion years old. 102 00:07:14,487 --> 00:07:17,217 After all, what's a billion years, give or take? 103 00:07:18,591 --> 00:07:23,153 But the Bible tells me that human history is 6,000 years old. 104 00:07:23,897 --> 00:07:27,856 The Word is either sufficient or it is not. 105 00:07:29,903 --> 00:07:33,839 In Laramie, population 26,687... 106 00:07:33,973 --> 00:07:36,533 ...the first thing to greet us was WaI Mart. 107 00:07:36,676 --> 00:07:40,635 This could be any main drag in America. Fast food chains, gas stations. 108 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:44,216 But as we drove into the downtown area, by the railroad tracks... 109 00:07:44,284 --> 00:07:48,311 ...the buildings still retained the shape of a turn-of-the-century western town. 110 00:07:48,388 --> 00:07:50,754 As we passed the University Inn... 111 00:07:50,890 --> 00:07:55,884 ...on the sign where amenities such as heated pool, cable TV are usually touted... 112 00:07:56,029 --> 00:07:59,863 ...it said, "Hate is not a Laramie value. " 113 00:08:06,306 --> 00:08:08,171 So how did you wind up here? 114 00:08:09,042 --> 00:08:11,533 Well, when it came time to go to college... 115 00:08:11,611 --> 00:08:14,444 ...my parents couldn't really afford to send me to college. 116 00:08:14,514 --> 00:08:16,880 I knew that I wanted to study theatre... 117 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:21,114 ...and I knew that if I wanted to go to college, I had to get on a scholarship. 118 00:08:21,187 --> 00:08:24,588 There's this competition that they have every year. 119 00:08:24,724 --> 00:08:28,592 It's like a Wyoming state high school competition thing. 120 00:08:28,728 --> 00:08:33,563 I came to the University, to the theatre department, to look for some good scenes. 121 00:08:33,666 --> 00:08:37,762 I asked the professor, I said, "You know, I need a killer scene. " 122 00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:40,839 And he's like, "Here Here you go. This is it. " 123 00:08:40,974 --> 00:08:43,499 - What was it? - That was Angels in America. 124 00:08:43,877 --> 00:08:46,539 I read that and I'm like, this is okay. 125 00:08:46,613 --> 00:08:49,480 I can win Best Scene if I just do a good enough job. 126 00:08:49,549 --> 00:08:53,645 So I tell my parents, so they can come see me in the competition. 127 00:08:54,087 --> 00:08:56,681 They brought me in the room and they sat me down... 128 00:08:56,756 --> 00:09:00,192 ...and they said that they wouldn't come to see me if I did that scene. 129 00:09:00,260 --> 00:09:02,228 - They couldn't. - Why is that? 130 00:09:02,428 --> 00:09:06,797 You know, because they believe it's wrong, because homosexuality's wrong. 131 00:09:09,569 --> 00:09:14,563 AII I remember from the competition is just standing ovation. 132 00:09:14,774 --> 00:09:16,571 - Really? - Just... 133 00:09:17,243 --> 00:09:21,236 We won. We got first place. One of the best moments of my life. 134 00:09:21,915 --> 00:09:24,816 - Did your parents come? - Parents weren't there. 135 00:09:26,119 --> 00:09:27,586 So why'd you do it? 136 00:09:27,654 --> 00:09:29,986 Actually, if I'm really honest, I think... 137 00:09:30,056 --> 00:09:33,514 ...I just wanted to win, really. 138 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:36,857 It was just the greatest scene. 139 00:09:37,463 --> 00:09:39,294 I just wanted to win. 140 00:09:47,106 --> 00:09:51,975 Today, for the first time, I met someone who actually knew Matthew Sheppard. 141 00:09:52,111 --> 00:09:55,979 Trish Steger, owner of a shop in town, referred to him as Matt. 142 00:09:56,349 --> 00:09:59,750 Matt used to come into my shop. That's how I knew him. 143 00:09:59,886 --> 00:10:03,686 It was the first time I ever heard him referred to as Matt instead of Matthew. 144 00:10:03,756 --> 00:10:05,348 Well, what was he like? 145 00:10:05,692 --> 00:10:07,216 I don't know. 146 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,989 How does any one person ever tell about another? 147 00:10:12,665 --> 00:10:15,424 Matt was a blunt little shit. Know what I'm saying? 148 00:10:15,558 --> 00:10:20,461 He was a little guy, 5'2". Soaking wet, I bet you 7 pounds, tops. 149 00:10:20,563 --> 00:10:23,498 They were saying he weighed 110 pounds. I don't believe it. 150 00:10:23,633 --> 00:10:25,191 I say, "Are you Matthew Sheppard?" 151 00:10:25,268 --> 00:10:30,171 He says, "Yeah, I'm Matthew Sheppard, but don't call me Matthew, or Mr. Sheppard. 152 00:10:30,306 --> 00:10:33,139 "Don't call me none of that. My name is Matt. 153 00:10:33,209 --> 00:10:37,509 "And I want you to know that I am gay, and we're gonna be going to a gay bar. 154 00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:39,673 "Do you have a problem with that?" 155 00:10:39,982 --> 00:10:41,882 I said, "No. How are you paying?" 156 00:10:42,985 --> 00:10:46,443 The fact of the matter is, Laramie doesn't have any gay bars. 157 00:10:46,622 --> 00:10:48,783 For that matter, neither does Wyoming. 158 00:10:49,592 --> 00:10:53,119 He was hiring me to take him down to Fort Collins, Colorado... 159 00:10:53,195 --> 00:10:54,787 ...which is about an hour away. 160 00:10:54,864 --> 00:10:56,991 He was struggling when he first came here. 161 00:10:57,066 --> 00:11:00,194 Reaching out, trying to fit in. 162 00:11:01,904 --> 00:11:04,600 - I'm sorry I'm late. - My sister Romaine. 163 00:11:06,943 --> 00:11:09,036 She was a close friend of Matthew's. 164 00:11:09,412 --> 00:11:12,176 Matthew really wanted to get into political affairs. 165 00:11:12,481 --> 00:11:17,009 That was all his big interest was, watching CNN and MSNBC. 166 00:11:17,286 --> 00:11:20,653 Those were the only TV stations I ever saw his TV tuned in to. 167 00:11:21,123 --> 00:11:23,148 So why did he move to Laramie? 168 00:11:23,659 --> 00:11:26,719 He told me he was thinking about going back to school. 169 00:11:27,196 --> 00:11:31,599 So I told him, "Go to the University of Wyoming, go to Laramie. 170 00:11:31,667 --> 00:11:33,726 "You can really find a home there. " 171 00:11:33,803 --> 00:11:38,797 I was Matthew's academic advisor, so I Knew him in a very specific context. 172 00:11:38,874 --> 00:11:43,106 But I can tell you that Matthew was very shy when he first came in... 173 00:11:43,245 --> 00:11:46,078 ...to the point of being somewhat mousy, I'd almost say. 174 00:11:46,182 --> 00:11:49,413 But soon, his shyness began to give way to this person... 175 00:11:49,485 --> 00:11:53,182 ...that was excited about this track that he was going to embark on. 176 00:11:53,289 --> 00:11:55,883 Whenever I think of Matthew, I think of his... 177 00:11:56,459 --> 00:11:59,155 ...incredible beaming smile. 178 00:11:59,495 --> 00:12:01,861 He'd walk into a room and just be, like... 179 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:05,829 He'd smile at everyone. 180 00:12:06,168 --> 00:12:08,068 He made you feel great. 181 00:12:08,137 --> 00:12:09,695 He was just starting to say: 182 00:12:09,772 --> 00:12:13,868 "There are opportunities here. There are things I can do in this world. 183 00:12:13,943 --> 00:12:15,376 "I can be important. " 184 00:12:15,511 --> 00:12:19,140 I heard from Matt about 48 hours before the attack. 185 00:12:19,949 --> 00:12:23,476 He told me he'd just joined the gay and lesbian group on campus... 186 00:12:23,552 --> 00:12:27,648 ...and he was really enjoying it, getting ready for Pride Week. 187 00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:32,593 He was totally stoked about school. He was really happy being there. 188 00:12:33,663 --> 00:12:36,393 I can only say this in retrospect, of course. 189 00:12:36,565 --> 00:12:39,762 I think that's where he was headed, towards human rights. 190 00:12:47,910 --> 00:12:49,377 let me tell you something. 191 00:12:49,445 --> 00:12:51,913 There's more gay people in Wyoming than meets the eye. 192 00:12:51,981 --> 00:12:55,178 - You think? - I know for a fact. 193 00:12:55,618 --> 00:12:57,745 I mean, they're not particularly... 194 00:12:58,154 --> 00:13:01,385 What do you call the queens, the gay people, queens? 195 00:13:01,724 --> 00:13:04,022 You know, the run-around, faggot-type people. 196 00:13:04,093 --> 00:13:06,926 They're more like the ones who'II... 197 00:13:07,063 --> 00:13:10,555 ...throw a bale of hay, jump on a horse, brand them and kick ass. 198 00:13:10,633 --> 00:13:12,863 Know what I'm saying? As I always say... 199 00:13:12,968 --> 00:13:17,530 ...you don't fuck with a Wyoming queer 'cause they'll fucking kick you in your ass. 200 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,302 - But that's not the point. - What is the point? 201 00:13:20,776 --> 00:13:24,974 People of Wyoming do not give a damn one way or the other if you're gay... 202 00:13:25,114 --> 00:13:28,277 ...if you're straight, bisexual, trisexuaI, it doesn't matter. 203 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:31,012 - Really? - That's what I just said. It doesn't matter. 204 00:13:31,087 --> 00:13:35,080 I was the first out lesbian or gay faculty member... 205 00:13:35,157 --> 00:13:36,988 ...and that's in 1((2. 206 00:13:37,293 --> 00:13:39,420 That's not that long ago. 207 00:13:39,895 --> 00:13:42,557 They asked me at the interview what my husband did. 208 00:13:42,631 --> 00:13:44,098 So I came out then. 209 00:13:44,633 --> 00:13:49,366 When I first moved out here, I knew it was gonna be hard as a gay man. 210 00:13:49,472 --> 00:13:51,804 There would be times when I would go to Denver... 211 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:56,277 ...and I would go to the gay bars there, and people would ask me where I was from... 212 00:13:56,345 --> 00:13:58,813 ...and I would say, "Laramie, Wyoming. " 213 00:13:59,315 --> 00:14:04,218 And I met so many men down there from Wyoming. 214 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,582 So many gay men who grew up here and they were like: 215 00:14:07,656 --> 00:14:12,559 "This is not a place where I can live. How can you live there? I had to get out. " 216 00:14:12,728 --> 00:14:16,220 But every once in awhile, there'd be a guy: 217 00:14:16,398 --> 00:14:18,263 "Gosh, I miss Laramie. 218 00:14:18,934 --> 00:14:22,563 "I mean, I really love it there. That's where I want to live. " 219 00:14:22,705 --> 00:14:26,937 And they'd get this starry-eyed look, and I think... 220 00:14:27,076 --> 00:14:30,671 ...if that is where you wanna live, do it. 221 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,816 So I get into my office one day and I have a message to call this woman back. 222 00:14:34,884 --> 00:14:38,251 So I call her back and she goes, "I hear you are a lesbian. 223 00:14:38,621 --> 00:14:42,113 "I hear you are one. " And I'm like, "uh-huh?" 224 00:14:42,291 --> 00:14:46,125 She goes, "I'm one, too. " She wanted to come over and meet me immediately. 225 00:14:46,228 --> 00:14:48,492 She also warned me about the fact... 226 00:14:48,564 --> 00:14:52,466 ...that there's other lesbians in this town who would not be seen with me. 227 00:14:52,568 --> 00:14:55,731 That just to be seen with me would taint them irreparably. 228 00:14:56,405 --> 00:14:59,738 That just to be seen with me would be a big problem. 229 00:15:02,244 --> 00:15:03,905 I love this land. 230 00:15:05,114 --> 00:15:06,308 I mean... 231 00:15:07,449 --> 00:15:09,110 ...I really love this land. 232 00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:29,666 I'm gonna make this brief, quick, just get it over with, but it will be everything. 233 00:15:29,738 --> 00:15:33,572 Factual, just the facts. 10:00. I punch in, my regular time for Tuesdays. 234 00:15:33,642 --> 00:15:35,610 At 10:30 we're having karaoke night... 235 00:15:35,678 --> 00:15:38,044 ...so there's maybe 20 or 30 people milling around. 236 00:15:38,113 --> 00:15:42,277 That's when Matthew Sheppard comes in alone, he comes in and... 237 00:15:43,185 --> 00:15:46,985 ...he sits right where you're sitting right now, orders himself a Heineken. 238 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:51,754 So what can I tell you about Matt? Well, manners... 239 00:15:52,294 --> 00:15:55,752 ...politeness, intelligence. Taking care of me, as in tips. 240 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:58,057 Everything, he just offers conversation. 241 00:15:58,133 --> 00:16:00,465 He comes in, he's always dressed nice, clean-cut. 242 00:16:00,536 --> 00:16:03,471 Didn't seem to have any worries. He wasn't waiting on anybody. 243 00:16:03,539 --> 00:16:06,667 He just wanted to enjoy his drink and the company around. 244 00:16:13,048 --> 00:16:15,414 I guess it was maybe 11:30 or 11:45. 245 00:16:15,484 --> 00:16:19,045 That's when Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney came in. 246 00:16:19,288 --> 00:16:22,553 They come in, approach the bar, they sit here and order a pitcher... 247 00:16:22,625 --> 00:16:26,493 ...and as you know, they pay for the thing entirely in dimes and quarters... 248 00:16:26,562 --> 00:16:29,554 ...which, let me tell you, is something you just don't forget. 249 00:16:29,632 --> 00:16:32,760 You don't forget something like that. $5.50 in dimes and quarters? 250 00:16:32,835 --> 00:16:34,996 It's a freaking nightmare for a bartender. 251 00:16:35,337 --> 00:16:39,000 Money meant nothing to Matthew because he grew up with a lot of it. 252 00:16:39,074 --> 00:16:41,201 He'd have handed over his wallet in a second... 253 00:16:41,277 --> 00:16:43,404 ...because money meant nothing to him. 254 00:16:43,479 --> 00:16:46,312 I mean, his shoes might have meant something, but... 255 00:16:46,548 --> 00:16:50,006 They can say it was robbery all they want to, but I don't buy it. 256 00:16:50,219 --> 00:16:52,244 Not even for an iota of a second. 257 00:16:52,421 --> 00:16:55,288 look, when they came in, Henderson and McKinney... 258 00:16:55,357 --> 00:16:58,758 ...to me, they didn't seem to be intoxicated at all. 259 00:16:58,827 --> 00:17:00,988 They came in, they order a pitcher of beer... 260 00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:05,329 ...they take it back there into the pool area, and they just kept to themselves. 261 00:17:06,502 --> 00:17:08,367 It was going on for half an hour... 262 00:17:08,437 --> 00:17:12,305 ...and then I noticed Russell and Aaron had been talking with Matthew Sheppard. 263 00:17:13,442 --> 00:17:16,313 Some people are saying he made a pass at them. 264 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,812 Hell, you don't pick up regular people. 265 00:17:20,251 --> 00:17:22,583 Aaron and I have been together for two years. 266 00:17:24,655 --> 00:17:28,352 Aaron said that a guy walked up to him and said he was gay... 267 00:17:28,426 --> 00:17:30,724 ...and wanted to get with him and Russ. 268 00:17:30,828 --> 00:17:32,420 Aaron's really bad about that. 269 00:17:32,496 --> 00:17:35,954 He doesn't like to be around gay people at all, and neither does Russ. 270 00:17:36,033 --> 00:17:38,558 They just don't like them at all. 271 00:17:39,370 --> 00:17:42,168 So he got aggravated with it and said he was straight... 272 00:17:42,239 --> 00:17:46,266 ...and he didn't wanna have anything to do with it, and he walked off. 273 00:17:46,677 --> 00:17:49,578 He said that's when him and Russ went into the bathroom... 274 00:17:49,647 --> 00:17:54,107 ...and decided to pretend that they were gay and get him in the truck and rob him. 275 00:17:54,485 --> 00:17:58,478 They wanted to teach him a lesson not to come on to straight people. 276 00:17:59,023 --> 00:18:03,357 I'm not excusing their actions, but it seems to be partially his fault... 277 00:18:03,427 --> 00:18:07,124 ...and partially the guys who did it, so, you know... 278 00:18:07,565 --> 00:18:09,362 ...maybe it's 50-50. 279 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:12,493 They stated that Matt came on to them, that he approached them. 280 00:18:12,570 --> 00:18:17,200 I absolutely, positively disbelieve and refute that statement 100 percent. 281 00:18:17,274 --> 00:18:20,004 I'll give you two reasons why. One, character reference. 282 00:18:20,077 --> 00:18:24,036 Why would he approach them? He wasn't approaching anyone else in the bar. 283 00:18:24,114 --> 00:18:26,844 Okay, they say he's gay, that he was a flaming gay. 284 00:18:26,917 --> 00:18:28,646 He's gonna come on to people like that. 285 00:18:28,719 --> 00:18:31,449 Bullshit! He never came on to me. I mean, hello! Come on. 286 00:18:31,522 --> 00:18:33,820 He's gonna approach these two guys? Please. 287 00:18:33,891 --> 00:18:37,827 And two, territorialism. Matt was sitting there. 288 00:18:37,895 --> 00:18:39,692 Aaron and Russell were back there. 289 00:18:39,763 --> 00:18:42,926 Upon their first interaction, they were in Matt's area... 290 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,764 ...the area that he had been seen sitting all night long. 291 00:18:45,836 --> 00:18:47,565 So who approached who by that? 292 00:18:48,706 --> 00:18:51,266 He'd never not talk to someone for any reason. 293 00:18:51,475 --> 00:18:55,070 If someone started talking to him, he'd just be like, "Blah, blah, blah. " 294 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,148 He had no problem just striking up a conversation with anybody. 295 00:19:00,284 --> 00:19:01,945 This is what I'm testifying to... 296 00:19:02,019 --> 00:19:04,783 ...because basically I'm the key eyewitness in the case. 297 00:19:04,855 --> 00:19:08,655 Basically, I'm going to be testifying that I saw Matthew leave. 298 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,593 I saw two individuals leave with Matthew Sheppard, and I didn't see their faces. 299 00:19:12,663 --> 00:19:16,690 I saw the back of their heads. At this time, McKinney and Henderson aren't around. 300 00:19:16,767 --> 00:19:18,394 You do the math. 301 00:20:05,282 --> 00:20:07,682 I'm not super familiar with that area... 302 00:20:08,485 --> 00:20:13,422 ...which now makes me think that God wanted me to find him. 303 00:20:15,626 --> 00:20:17,617 I was going for a ride on my bike... 304 00:20:18,429 --> 00:20:23,162 ...and I noticed something just laying there by the fence. 305 00:20:25,536 --> 00:20:27,470 I think it's a scarecrow. 306 00:20:28,606 --> 00:20:30,699 Halloween's coming up. 307 00:20:30,808 --> 00:20:33,436 I think it's a Halloween gag. 308 00:20:34,345 --> 00:20:37,712 I even noticed his chest moving up and down. 309 00:20:38,682 --> 00:20:43,085 I still thought it was a dummy. I thought it was some kind of mechanism. 310 00:20:45,255 --> 00:20:46,347 But when I... 311 00:20:49,226 --> 00:20:50,750 When I saw hair... 312 00:20:52,596 --> 00:20:53,893 ...his hair... 313 00:20:57,568 --> 00:20:59,559 ...I knew it was a human being. 314 00:21:01,038 --> 00:21:02,471 So what'd you do? 315 00:21:03,741 --> 00:21:07,370 I ran to the nearest house as fast as I could and called the police. 316 00:21:09,046 --> 00:21:11,776 The Sheriff's Department held a news conference today. 317 00:21:11,849 --> 00:21:16,684 They're investigating the attempted murder of 22-year-old Matthew Sheppard. 318 00:21:16,987 --> 00:21:19,387 The Sheriff says they found the man badly beaten... 319 00:21:19,456 --> 00:21:21,856 ...and unconscious, tied to a fence last night. 320 00:21:23,861 --> 00:21:26,523 The brutal attack left Matthew Sheppard in a coma. 321 00:21:26,597 --> 00:21:30,556 The bicyclist who found him said he first thought it was a scarecrow. 322 00:21:30,634 --> 00:21:32,431 In jail now, charged with the crime... 323 00:21:32,503 --> 00:21:35,870 ...21-year-old Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney, of Kidnapping... 324 00:21:35,939 --> 00:21:37,964 The victim, Matthew Sheppard... 325 00:21:38,042 --> 00:21:41,739 ...is in very critical condition at this hour in Poudre Valley Hospital. 326 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:51,386 The arraignment took place on Friday around lunchtime. 327 00:21:52,056 --> 00:21:54,047 More details about the case had come out... 328 00:21:54,124 --> 00:21:57,457 ...like the fact that the perpetrators themselves were kids. 329 00:21:58,128 --> 00:22:02,565 Kids, local Kids, that everyone who's from around here has some relationship to. 330 00:22:09,206 --> 00:22:12,198 So then a judge comes in and does a reading of the facts. 331 00:22:12,910 --> 00:22:17,904 The Defendants, Aaron James McKinney and Russell Arthur Henderson... 332 00:22:18,682 --> 00:22:21,150 ...met Matthew Sheppard at the Fireside Bar. 333 00:22:21,685 --> 00:22:24,017 After Mr. Sheppard confided he was gay... 334 00:22:24,088 --> 00:22:26,454 ...the subjects deceived Mr. Sheppard... 335 00:22:26,523 --> 00:22:29,788 ...into leaving with them in their vehicle to a remote area. 336 00:22:31,028 --> 00:22:36,022 En route to said location, Mr. Sheppard was struck in the head with a pistol... 337 00:22:36,667 --> 00:22:39,101 ...and upon arrival at said area... 338 00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:42,138 ...both subjects tied their victim to a buck fence... 339 00:22:42,206 --> 00:22:47,007 ...robbed him, tortured him, and continued to beat and terrorize him. 340 00:22:47,945 --> 00:22:52,814 When I got to the fence, I seen what appeared to be a young man... 341 00:22:53,117 --> 00:22:57,110 ...13 or 14 years of age, because he was so tiny, laying there... 342 00:22:57,187 --> 00:23:00,816 ...and he was bound to the bottom of the pole. 343 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,754 - What did you do? - I did the best I could. 344 00:23:05,829 --> 00:23:08,297 He was covered in dried blood all over his head. 345 00:23:08,365 --> 00:23:11,232 The only place that there wasn't any blood... 346 00:23:11,535 --> 00:23:15,403 ...was what appeared to be where he had been crying down his face. 347 00:23:15,773 --> 00:23:17,240 You know... 348 00:23:17,941 --> 00:23:19,932 ...he did not look normal. 349 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:23,609 I could tell that he had a very harsh head wound. 350 00:23:24,448 --> 00:23:26,814 You expect these Kinds of injuries from somebody... 351 00:23:26,884 --> 00:23:29,717 ...crashing down a hill in a car at 80 miles an hour. 352 00:23:29,787 --> 00:23:33,245 You expect to see gross injuries from something like that... 353 00:23:33,323 --> 00:23:35,291 ...this horrendous, terrible thing. 354 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,153 But you don't expect to see someone doing this to another person. 355 00:23:40,697 --> 00:23:43,029 Both defendants were later contacted by officers... 356 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,695 ...from the Laramie Police Department, who observed inside their pickup... 357 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:49,864 ...a credit card and a pair of black patent-leather shoes... 358 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:52,238 ...belonging to the victim, Matthew Sheppard. 359 00:23:52,342 --> 00:23:56,244 The thing that shocked me is, it was a pristine crime scene. 360 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,977 How do you mean? 361 00:23:58,282 --> 00:24:00,876 The tire tracks, the impressions that the tire made... 362 00:24:00,951 --> 00:24:03,317 ...they were perfect because of the sandy soil. 363 00:24:03,387 --> 00:24:06,754 And we found a carpet fragment from inside the truck. 364 00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:09,018 That will always shock me until this day. 365 00:24:09,252 --> 00:24:11,117 In Wyoming, the wind's so strong... 366 00:24:11,187 --> 00:24:14,987 ...you usually never find something like that at an exterior crime scene. 367 00:24:16,893 --> 00:24:19,987 His hands were thumbs out, what we call the cuffing position. 368 00:24:20,063 --> 00:24:22,293 It's how we handcuff people. 369 00:24:22,632 --> 00:24:25,328 He was tied with a real thin white rope... 370 00:24:25,735 --> 00:24:30,638 ...and it was wound around the bottom of the pole about four inches off the ground. 371 00:24:31,975 --> 00:24:33,840 His shoes were missing. 372 00:24:35,278 --> 00:24:38,042 He was tied extremely tight, so I used my boot knife. 373 00:24:38,148 --> 00:24:41,015 I tried to slip it in there, between the rope and his wrist. 374 00:24:43,052 --> 00:24:45,247 I had to be extremely careful... 375 00:24:45,321 --> 00:24:47,983 ...so as not to harm Matthew any further. 376 00:24:48,658 --> 00:24:51,855 I was yelling at him at the top of my lungs, "Hey, wake up!" 377 00:24:51,928 --> 00:24:54,419 Something, just trying to get anything out of him. 378 00:24:55,365 --> 00:24:58,391 He didn't move, he didn't flinch, he didn't anything. 379 00:24:58,968 --> 00:25:02,927 We rolled him over onto his left side. When we did that, he stopped breathing. 380 00:25:03,006 --> 00:25:05,474 I immediately got him back on his back. 381 00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:08,343 And that was just enough of an adjustment. 382 00:25:08,444 --> 00:25:13,245 It gave me just enough room for me to slip my knife in there and to cut him free. 383 00:25:14,517 --> 00:25:18,613 And then Rob drove the ambulance to Iverson Hospital's emergency room. 384 00:25:18,855 --> 00:25:23,849 Once we saw Matthew, it was obvious that his care was beyond our capabilities. 385 00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:27,762 Phoned the neurosurgeon over at Poudre Valley... 386 00:25:28,865 --> 00:25:33,529 ...and Matthew was on his way in an hour and 15 minutes, I think. 387 00:25:34,604 --> 00:25:38,062 A couple of days later, they showed me a picture of Matthew. 388 00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:42,610 I would have never recognized him. 389 00:25:45,682 --> 00:25:47,843 Said defendants left the victim... 390 00:25:48,318 --> 00:25:51,845 ...tied to the fence, begging for his life. 391 00:25:55,091 --> 00:25:57,753 You'd like to think it was somebody from out of town... 392 00:25:57,827 --> 00:26:00,387 ...that's come through and beaten up somebody. 393 00:26:00,997 --> 00:26:04,160 But when you're seeing someone who's been beaten... 394 00:26:04,467 --> 00:26:07,561 ...repeatedly by someone in our own town... 395 00:26:07,904 --> 00:26:10,031 ...now that certainly offends us. 396 00:26:10,573 --> 00:26:12,234 And that's a good word. 397 00:26:12,508 --> 00:26:14,169 It offends us. 398 00:26:15,378 --> 00:26:19,178 The defendants will remain in the custody of the County Sheriff's Department... 399 00:26:19,249 --> 00:26:21,683 ...until dates can be set for their trials. 400 00:26:43,072 --> 00:26:44,471 It was huge. 401 00:26:44,607 --> 00:26:47,576 It was herds, and we are talking hundreds of reporters... 402 00:26:47,644 --> 00:26:50,408 ...which makes a huge dent in this town's population. 403 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,347 Laramie, Wyoming, often called "the gem city of the plains"... 404 00:26:53,416 --> 00:26:55,111 ...is now at the eye of the storm. 405 00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:58,244 People would like to think what happened is the exception... 406 00:26:58,321 --> 00:27:02,758 There were reporters everywhere, news trucks in town, on campus... 407 00:27:02,825 --> 00:27:05,293 ...and we are not used to that type of attention. 408 00:27:05,361 --> 00:27:09,263 Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson came from the poor side of town. 409 00:27:09,332 --> 00:27:11,300 This small city that bills itself as... 410 00:27:11,367 --> 00:27:15,201 ..."Wyoming's hometown" is wrestling with its attitudes towards gay men. 411 00:27:15,338 --> 00:27:17,499 It's tough business, as Matt Sheppard Knew... 412 00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:21,202 ...and as all his friends Know, to be gay in cowboy country. 413 00:27:21,577 --> 00:27:25,274 And to get that kind of exposure under such tragic circumstances... 414 00:27:25,348 --> 00:27:30,342 ...under circumstances that we hadn't even wrapped our heads and hearts around... 415 00:27:31,521 --> 00:27:33,614 The majority of people here are good people. 416 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:35,419 You get bad apples once in a while. 417 00:27:35,491 --> 00:27:37,322 Our citizens are not like that at all. 418 00:27:37,393 --> 00:27:40,954 You people are making my son guilty before he's even had a trial. 419 00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:42,224 How can this happen? 420 00:27:42,298 --> 00:27:45,825 I can't understand how someone can even do something like that. 421 00:27:45,935 --> 00:27:48,301 You have your own lifestyle, you should have it. 422 00:27:48,371 --> 00:27:51,704 - It's pretty much live-and-let-live. - It's live-and-let-live. 423 00:27:51,808 --> 00:27:55,869 I am outraged and sickened by the heinous crime committed on Matthew Sheppard. 424 00:27:55,945 --> 00:28:00,575 A young gay man is in a deep coma. It's a crime that goes beyond despicable. 425 00:28:00,650 --> 00:28:03,881 let it be known in the nation this is not the University of Wyoming. 426 00:28:03,953 --> 00:28:05,181 This is not what we're about. 427 00:28:05,254 --> 00:28:08,280 Had this been a heterosexual, this wouldn't have made the news. 428 00:28:08,358 --> 00:28:11,191 I don't think there's any problem gay people deal with here. 429 00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:15,697 We had these guys in jail in less than a day. I think that's pretty damn good. 430 00:28:15,765 --> 00:28:19,826 Hundreds of people are urging Congress to pass a federal law banning hate crimes. 431 00:28:19,902 --> 00:28:23,394 I would like to urge the people of Wyoming against overreacting... 432 00:28:23,473 --> 00:28:26,306 ...in a way that gives one group special rights over others. 433 00:28:26,376 --> 00:28:29,174 We will wait and see if the vicious beating and torture... 434 00:28:29,245 --> 00:28:31,679 ...of Matthew Sheppard was motivated by hate. 435 00:28:34,951 --> 00:28:37,078 Oh, my God. 436 00:28:39,622 --> 00:28:41,817 Anybody else wanna do this? 437 00:28:52,168 --> 00:28:57,128 Matthew Sheppard was admitted in critical condition... 438 00:28:57,373 --> 00:29:00,638 ...at approximately (:15 on October 7. 439 00:29:01,544 --> 00:29:06,504 When he arrived, he was unresponsive and breathing support was being provided. 440 00:29:07,417 --> 00:29:11,319 Matthew's major injuries upon arrival consisted of hypothermia... 441 00:29:11,387 --> 00:29:15,016 ...and of a fracture from behind his head... 442 00:29:15,291 --> 00:29:17,953 ...to just in front of the right ear. 443 00:29:19,262 --> 00:29:24,222 This has caused bleeding in the brain, as well as pressure on the brain. 444 00:29:24,801 --> 00:29:26,564 Friday night the parents arrived... 445 00:29:26,636 --> 00:29:30,538 ...and I went and introduced myself to Dennis and Judy. 446 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:33,900 It was awful. Those poor people. 447 00:29:34,444 --> 00:29:38,710 Matthew's temperature has fluctuated over the last 24 hours... 448 00:29:38,781 --> 00:29:42,080 ...between (8 and 106 degrees. 449 00:29:42,185 --> 00:29:44,983 We arranged a police escort to bring them up. 450 00:29:45,421 --> 00:29:47,548 We set them up in one of our conference rooms... 451 00:29:47,623 --> 00:29:50,717 ...gave them food around the clock, gave them a place to stay. 452 00:29:50,993 --> 00:29:53,518 The following is a statement from them. 453 00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:56,398 "First of all, we want to thank the American public... 454 00:29:56,466 --> 00:29:58,866 "... for their kind thoughts about Matthew... 455 00:29:58,935 --> 00:30:01,927 "... and their fond wishes for his speedy recovery. 456 00:30:02,371 --> 00:30:04,999 "We appreciate your prayers and good will... 457 00:30:05,107 --> 00:30:06,870 "... and we know that... 458 00:30:07,376 --> 00:30:10,209 "... they are something that Matthew would appreciate, too. " 459 00:30:10,446 --> 00:30:12,676 I went up and said: 460 00:30:13,616 --> 00:30:17,609 "You all tell me what you want me to do or what you want me to say... 461 00:30:17,687 --> 00:30:20,986 "... or anything you need, and we'll provide it for you. " 462 00:30:21,157 --> 00:30:24,649 "We also have a special request for members of the media. 463 00:30:24,994 --> 00:30:28,760 "We ask that you respect our privacy, as well as Matthew's... 464 00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:32,589 "... so we can concentrate all of our efforts, thoughts... 465 00:30:33,369 --> 00:30:35,200 "... and love on our son. 466 00:30:35,771 --> 00:30:37,671 "Thank you very much. " 467 00:30:39,976 --> 00:30:43,104 Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney have pled not guilty... 468 00:30:43,179 --> 00:30:45,909 ...to the charges of Kidnapping, aggravated robbery... 469 00:30:45,982 --> 00:30:48,143 ...and attempted murder in the first degree. 470 00:30:48,217 --> 00:30:50,344 Russell was just so sweet. 471 00:30:50,553 --> 00:30:52,680 He's the one that was the Eagle Scout. 472 00:30:52,755 --> 00:30:57,055 His whole presence was just quiet and sweet. He was raised a Mormon. 473 00:30:57,126 --> 00:31:00,391 He was active in that when he was younger, as an elder in the Church. 474 00:31:00,463 --> 00:31:03,990 Of course it doesn't make sense to me. I know people snap and whatever... 475 00:31:04,066 --> 00:31:08,503 ...and like I said, it wasn't a real intimate relationship. I was just his landlord. 476 00:31:08,738 --> 00:31:10,399 I remember at the Christmas party... 477 00:31:10,473 --> 00:31:14,273 ...he was totally drunk out of his mind, you Know, like we all were. 478 00:31:15,111 --> 00:31:18,774 He wasn't belligerent. He didn't change. His personality didn't change. 479 00:31:18,848 --> 00:31:22,385 He was still the same little meek Russell. 480 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:23,952 Aaron was a good kid. 481 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:26,113 That's why I was shocked when I heard this. 482 00:31:26,189 --> 00:31:29,886 He had been living out with his girl. They just started dating last summer. 483 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,919 They must have gotten pregnant as soon as they started dating. They had a kid. 484 00:31:33,997 --> 00:31:36,625 21 years old, but he's running around with a kid. 485 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,130 When I first heard, I thought it was really awful. 486 00:31:39,202 --> 00:31:42,535 I don't know whether Aaron was fucked up or coming down or what... 487 00:31:42,606 --> 00:31:44,801 ...but Matthew had money. 488 00:31:44,875 --> 00:31:48,811 Shit, he had better clothes than I did. Matthew was a little rich bitch. 489 00:31:48,879 --> 00:31:51,074 You shouldn't call him that. It's not right. 490 00:31:51,147 --> 00:31:53,342 I'm not saying he's a bad guy, I'm just saying... 491 00:31:53,416 --> 00:31:56,943 ...he's in the wrong place at the wrong time, he said the wrong thing. 492 00:31:57,020 --> 00:32:00,820 Aaron was always dressing up big, you know, big clothes... 493 00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:03,819 ...Tommy Hilfiger, you know. 494 00:32:03,994 --> 00:32:05,689 Polo, Gucci, I don't know. 495 00:32:06,363 --> 00:32:10,424 It probably pissed him off that Matthew was gay, because he didn't like... 496 00:32:11,568 --> 00:32:15,470 The gay people I've seen him interact with or that I've heard him talk about... 497 00:32:15,539 --> 00:32:19,339 ...he was fine with as long as they didn't hit on him... 498 00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:23,238 ...or as long as, you Know, it didn't come up. 499 00:32:24,314 --> 00:32:26,578 When I knew Aaron, he was just a young kid. 500 00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:30,609 He was trying to fit in, acting tough, acting cool. But you know what? 501 00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:32,913 You could get in his face about it... 502 00:32:32,989 --> 00:32:36,083 ...and he would back down like he was some kind of scared kid. 503 00:32:36,426 --> 00:32:40,624 If I saw Aaron right now, I'd just be like, "Why did you fuck up like that?" 504 00:32:41,031 --> 00:32:43,022 I wanna shake him, you know? 505 00:32:43,466 --> 00:32:47,129 "What were you thinking? What in the hell were you thinking?" 506 00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:55,036 Hello? 507 00:32:55,278 --> 00:32:56,506 This is her. 508 00:32:57,147 --> 00:32:58,808 Hi, Doctor. 509 00:32:59,816 --> 00:33:00,942 How is he? 510 00:33:04,821 --> 00:33:06,083 Yes. 511 00:33:08,692 --> 00:33:09,989 I see. 512 00:33:11,494 --> 00:33:13,291 Can you hang on for a moment? 513 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:16,460 Mom, can you hang this up? I'm gonna take it in there. 514 00:33:20,236 --> 00:33:21,430 I'm here. 515 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:24,534 Yes. 516 00:33:24,608 --> 00:33:26,872 The part I wasn't telling you about before... 517 00:33:28,111 --> 00:33:30,272 ...is that Reggie Fluty is my daughter. 518 00:33:32,182 --> 00:33:34,776 When she told me she wanted to be a police officer... 519 00:33:34,851 --> 00:33:37,183 ...I thought there was not a better choice for her. 520 00:33:37,253 --> 00:33:39,847 She could handle whatever came her way. 521 00:33:41,725 --> 00:33:43,488 And then this happens. 522 00:33:49,165 --> 00:33:50,928 That was the hospital. 523 00:33:54,971 --> 00:33:58,338 Matthew Sheppard is HIV positive, and... 524 00:33:59,576 --> 00:34:01,703 ...they said I've been exposed. 525 00:34:02,479 --> 00:34:03,468 What? 526 00:34:08,218 --> 00:34:11,153 They said I've been exposed to the AIDS virus. 527 00:34:12,822 --> 00:34:16,690 Because I've been building the lean-tos for the llamas... 528 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:20,387 ...and I have a bunch of open cuts on my hands, and... 529 00:34:21,698 --> 00:34:24,997 ...I got his blood on my hands. 530 00:34:25,535 --> 00:34:27,935 How did you get it on your hands? 531 00:34:28,071 --> 00:34:32,030 We have shit gloves, you know, and I kept putting them on and... 532 00:34:32,142 --> 00:34:35,077 ...you keep putting them on, and they keep breaking, so... 533 00:34:35,612 --> 00:34:38,172 ...finally, I ran out. 534 00:34:38,815 --> 00:34:41,648 You touched him without gloves? 535 00:34:43,386 --> 00:34:45,946 You cannot let a human being just sit there. 536 00:34:46,022 --> 00:34:47,011 Reggie! 537 00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:49,490 Don't hesitate, that's what goes through your mind. 538 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,618 Don't hesitate, all the time. 539 00:34:51,695 --> 00:34:55,859 So you just keep on moving, and you take care of Matthew... 540 00:34:55,932 --> 00:34:59,891 ...and you try to find an open airway, and that's what you do. 541 00:35:01,171 --> 00:35:03,901 Quite frankly, I wanted to lash out at somebody. 542 00:35:05,709 --> 00:35:10,442 Not Matthew, please understand that. Not one of us was mad at Matthew. 543 00:35:10,947 --> 00:35:14,405 We maybe wanted to squeeze McKinney's head off. 544 00:35:14,951 --> 00:35:17,283 And I think about Henderson... 545 00:35:17,687 --> 00:35:20,155 You know, two absolutely... 546 00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:25,593 ...human beings caused so much grief for so many people. 547 00:35:26,096 --> 00:35:29,088 They wanna start me on these AZT drugs immediately. 548 00:35:29,332 --> 00:35:31,095 If you... 549 00:35:32,435 --> 00:35:34,699 ...if you start them within 36 hours... 550 00:35:34,771 --> 00:35:37,968 ...maybe that can stop you from getting the disease. 551 00:35:39,042 --> 00:35:41,510 This has been just terrible for my whole family... 552 00:35:41,578 --> 00:35:44,069 ...but mostly for her and her kids. 553 00:35:44,414 --> 00:35:47,406 Those drugs, the AZT drugs. 554 00:35:48,985 --> 00:35:50,680 She throws up every day. 555 00:35:51,087 --> 00:35:54,022 She cries so much, she's afraid to touch her Kids. 556 00:35:55,692 --> 00:35:58,024 I just hope she doesn't go before me. 557 00:36:22,485 --> 00:36:25,181 No matter how you dice it, I did have the opportunity. 558 00:36:26,456 --> 00:36:29,220 If I had had amazing 20-20 hindsight... 559 00:36:29,292 --> 00:36:34,286 ...I had the opportunity to stop what occurred that night. I could have. 560 00:36:34,531 --> 00:36:37,523 I should have Known these guys shouldn't be talking to him. 561 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,158 I shouldn't have had my head down... 562 00:36:39,235 --> 00:36:41,533 ...while I was washing dishes for those 20 seconds. 563 00:36:41,604 --> 00:36:45,370 All those little things I could've done, and I could've stopped this. 564 00:36:46,643 --> 00:36:48,543 So what the hell was I thinking? 565 00:36:53,116 --> 00:36:55,778 And I Keep seeing that picture in my head... 566 00:36:55,852 --> 00:36:57,717 ...of when I found him. 567 00:36:58,488 --> 00:37:00,888 And it is not pleasant whatsoever. 568 00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:03,949 I wanna get it out. I don't want it in there. 569 00:37:05,995 --> 00:37:09,431 That's a big part of it for me, having to see that picture... 570 00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:15,360 ...in my head. I just don't want it in there. 571 00:37:18,174 --> 00:37:21,371 Matthew Sheppard�s the first gay person I ever saw. 572 00:37:22,245 --> 00:37:26,545 It's Kind of unbelievable to me that I was the person that found him... 573 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:30,285 ...because the big question with my religion is: 574 00:37:31,955 --> 00:37:34,082 Why did God want me to find him? 575 00:37:35,191 --> 00:37:39,059 "Let your light shine 576 00:37:39,429 --> 00:37:42,762 "In the darkness 577 00:37:43,132 --> 00:37:47,569 "Before the dawn 578 00:37:47,937 --> 00:37:51,873 "No more sorrow 579 00:37:52,242 --> 00:37:56,542 "In the nighttime 580 00:37:56,613 --> 00:37:59,514 "let it shine 581 00:37:59,582 --> 00:38:03,609 "Oh, lord, let it shine" 582 00:38:03,686 --> 00:38:06,780 Candlelight vigils were held around the country last night. 583 00:38:08,925 --> 00:38:11,723 Denver, Fort Collins, Detroit, Chicago... 584 00:38:11,794 --> 00:38:14,058 ...Washington DC, Atlanta... 585 00:38:17,133 --> 00:38:19,693 All expressing hopes for Matthew's full recovery. 586 00:38:19,769 --> 00:38:21,532 I can't stop crying. 587 00:38:21,571 --> 00:38:24,264 This is what I was trying to stop. 588 00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:28,801 We must do more to deal... 589 00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:31,805 ...with violent bigotry, hate crimes... 590 00:38:32,073 --> 00:38:36,601 I hope that in the grief of this moment and in the shared outrage across America... 591 00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:40,312 ...Americans will once again search their hearts... 592 00:38:40,982 --> 00:38:44,645 ...and do what they can to reduce their own fear and anxiety... 593 00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:48,155 ...and anger at people who are different. 594 00:38:48,657 --> 00:38:52,855 And I hope that Congress will pass the hate crimes legislation. 595 00:39:08,176 --> 00:39:11,543 I think the gay community is taking this as an advantage: 596 00:39:11,713 --> 00:39:14,546 "This is a good time for us to exploit this. " 597 00:39:14,616 --> 00:39:17,642 They made it sound like it was ten murders instead of one. 598 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,849 They're accusing the ranchers of being unreasonable and unsympathetic... 599 00:39:21,923 --> 00:39:23,356 ...because of how he was- 600 00:39:23,425 --> 00:39:25,120 And what his persuasions were. 601 00:39:25,193 --> 00:39:28,128 Well, he would certainly be welcome in our home. 602 00:39:28,596 --> 00:39:31,497 We'd visit, sit down, have a cup of coffee. 603 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,767 What did you think when you heard two boys from your town did this? 604 00:39:35,837 --> 00:39:38,397 I certainly don't approve of homosexuals... 605 00:39:38,974 --> 00:39:42,569 ...but I don't think anybody has a right to do what those two boys did. 606 00:39:42,644 --> 00:39:46,045 Where do you think that comes from, their hatred towards homosexuals? 607 00:39:46,247 --> 00:39:50,707 I think what most people fear in the gay community... 608 00:39:50,785 --> 00:39:53,515 ...is that sexuality is their number one concern. 609 00:39:53,588 --> 00:39:55,180 Not many people condone it- 610 00:39:55,256 --> 00:39:57,952 When you wear it on your sleeve like a banner... 611 00:39:58,259 --> 00:40:02,127 There's this whole idea, "You leave me alone, I leave you alone. " 612 00:40:02,197 --> 00:40:05,598 It's even in some of the western literature. "live and let live. " 613 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,294 That is such crap. Basically, what it boils down to... 614 00:40:10,372 --> 00:40:14,468 ...if I don't tell you I'm a fag, you won't beat the crap out of me. 615 00:40:15,043 --> 00:40:16,670 What's so great about that? 616 00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:19,442 That's a great philosophy? 617 00:40:19,981 --> 00:40:22,814 I'll sit in church and the reverend will tell you flat out... 618 00:40:22,884 --> 00:40:25,352 ...he does not agree with homosexuality, right? 619 00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:28,082 I don't feel like I know enough about certain things... 620 00:40:28,156 --> 00:40:30,989 ...just to be able to say that homosexuality is right... 621 00:40:31,059 --> 00:40:34,756 ...when I've been raised my whole life that homosexuality is wrong. 622 00:40:34,829 --> 00:40:37,354 My parents brought me up Catholic. 623 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,160 I was brought up to love the sinner, hate the sin. 624 00:40:41,836 --> 00:40:44,327 love the person for who they are, but condemn them... 625 00:40:44,406 --> 00:40:46,840 ...for what they do. Condemn the lifestyle. 626 00:40:46,908 --> 00:40:49,035 I would have to say now I don't agree with it. 627 00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:52,443 I don't agree, and maybe that's just because I couldn't do it... 628 00:40:53,181 --> 00:40:55,411 ...but I don't hate them, I won't persecute them. 629 00:40:55,483 --> 00:40:58,884 I'm not gonna let this get in between me and the other person at all... 630 00:40:58,953 --> 00:41:00,614 ...or in between you and I. 631 00:41:00,688 --> 00:41:02,280 Not at all. 632 00:41:02,857 --> 00:41:06,190 It's preached in schools that being gay is okay. 633 00:41:07,495 --> 00:41:10,760 If my kids asked me, I'd set them down and I'd tell them: 634 00:41:10,832 --> 00:41:13,027 "This is what gay people do. " 635 00:41:13,435 --> 00:41:15,596 "This is what animals do, okay?" 636 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:20,198 I'd tell them, "This is the life. This is the lifestyle. This is what they do. " 637 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:24,601 And I'd say, "This is why I believe it's wrong. " 638 00:41:24,779 --> 00:41:27,543 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 639 00:41:33,088 --> 00:41:37,320 In New York, the protests for Matthew Sheppard turned into a near riot. 640 00:41:37,392 --> 00:41:40,156 Police on horses were pushing into the crowds. 641 00:41:50,271 --> 00:41:52,569 The whole world is watching! 642 00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:03,547 As of (:00 a. m. today, Matthew Sheppard remains in critical condition... 643 00:42:03,618 --> 00:42:07,577 ...with severe head injuries in the surgical neuron intensive care unit. 644 00:42:09,491 --> 00:42:13,757 As I told you before, it's not a lifestyle with which I agree. 645 00:42:14,462 --> 00:42:15,986 You still feel that way? 646 00:42:16,831 --> 00:42:17,855 Yes. 647 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,262 The family continues to emphasize... 648 00:42:21,803 --> 00:42:24,465 ...that the media respect their privacy. 649 00:42:24,539 --> 00:42:27,838 The family also wants to thank the American public... 650 00:42:27,976 --> 00:42:31,844 ...for their concern and kind thoughts for Matthew. 651 00:42:31,913 --> 00:42:34,040 We went to the candle vigil and... 652 00:42:34,315 --> 00:42:37,614 ...it was so good to be with people who felt like shit. 653 00:42:37,952 --> 00:42:41,285 I Kept feeling like I don't deserve to feel this bad. 654 00:42:41,823 --> 00:42:43,620 Somebody got up and said, "Come on... 655 00:42:43,691 --> 00:42:47,092 "... let's show the world that Laramie is not this kind of a town. " 656 00:42:47,162 --> 00:42:49,130 But it is this kind of a town. 657 00:42:49,931 --> 00:42:52,297 If it wasn't, then why did this happen here? 658 00:42:52,367 --> 00:42:55,495 I mean, that's a lie, because it happened here. 659 00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:58,835 So how could it not be a town where this Kind of thing happens? 660 00:42:58,907 --> 00:43:00,772 How can you even say that? 661 00:43:01,142 --> 00:43:05,738 We have to mourn this, and we have to be sad, but we live in a town... 662 00:43:06,314 --> 00:43:09,647 ...a state, a country where shit like this happens. 663 00:43:10,051 --> 00:43:12,884 People are trying to distance themselves from this crime... 664 00:43:12,954 --> 00:43:16,788 ...and we need to own this crime, I feel. Everyone needs to own it. 665 00:43:17,625 --> 00:43:19,149 We are like this. 666 00:43:20,261 --> 00:43:23,788 We are like this. We are like this. 667 00:43:24,699 --> 00:43:28,032 Not having to deal that much with the gay community here in Laramie... 668 00:43:28,102 --> 00:43:31,230 ...once we started working into the case and actually... 669 00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,871 ...talking to people that were gay, realizing what their underlying fears were... 670 00:43:36,244 --> 00:43:38,576 ...that's when it sort of hit home. 671 00:43:39,447 --> 00:43:40,971 This is America. 672 00:43:41,249 --> 00:43:43,410 You don't have the right to feel that fear. 673 00:43:43,484 --> 00:43:46,146 Do you think a lot of people in Laramie feel the same way? 674 00:43:46,221 --> 00:43:49,588 We're always gonna have people that hold up the old ideals... 675 00:43:49,824 --> 00:43:52,486 ...and I was probably one of them 14 months ago. 676 00:43:52,994 --> 00:43:55,929 But I'm not gonna put up with it anymore or listen to it. 677 00:43:55,997 --> 00:43:59,694 And if they don't like my views on it, fine. The door goes both ways. 678 00:44:00,435 --> 00:44:03,802 I've already lost a couple of buddies, but I don't care. 679 00:44:05,473 --> 00:44:07,338 I feel more comfortable... 680 00:44:08,042 --> 00:44:09,839 ...and I can sleep at night now. 681 00:44:11,579 --> 00:44:15,447 - I really wanna thank you for having us. - Sure, it's our pleasure. 682 00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:18,844 These gatherings, this is a recent thing for us. 683 00:44:19,287 --> 00:44:21,653 This really only happened since Matthew. 684 00:44:21,723 --> 00:44:24,055 And there's a relief in that we finally connected. 685 00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,958 It's nice to see there are a lot of us in Laramie. 686 00:44:28,263 --> 00:44:30,197 Is everybody in the company gay? 687 00:44:30,265 --> 00:44:32,130 No, just the three of us. 688 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,259 - Are you out? - Yes. 689 00:44:34,936 --> 00:44:37,598 I wasn't out before, actually. 690 00:44:37,705 --> 00:44:42,404 But I thought, "Probably they all know, but I'm not gonna tell anyone. " 691 00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:45,907 In the long run, your self-esteem just becomes shit... 692 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,742 ...and I just couldn't live like that anymore. 693 00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:51,785 A lot of people decided that they didn't wanna hide anymore. 694 00:44:51,853 --> 00:44:56,381 I still don't feel that free to be out here. No one's asking, I'm not telling. 695 00:44:56,624 --> 00:45:00,560 I've always been out and I know how to take care of myself, but... 696 00:45:00,962 --> 00:45:03,726 ...since the episode, I've been irrationally terrified... 697 00:45:03,798 --> 00:45:07,825 ...and what that means is, we don't let our son walk around at night alone. 698 00:45:07,902 --> 00:45:11,702 Every time I see a pickup truck do a U-turn, I think it's coming after me... 699 00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:14,799 ...and I'm shaking so badly, I have to stop what I'm doing. 700 00:45:14,876 --> 00:45:16,741 I think it's because... 701 00:45:16,844 --> 00:45:20,371 ...somewhere inside, we all know it could happen to us anytime. 702 00:45:30,062 --> 00:45:32,030 Since our last medical update... 703 00:45:32,131 --> 00:45:36,830 ...Matthew Sheppard has remained in critical condition with severe head injuries. 704 00:45:36,902 --> 00:45:40,269 As of today, the hospital will no longer offer... 705 00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:43,001 ...medical updates on a scheduled basis. 706 00:45:43,075 --> 00:45:46,636 If Matthew's medical condition changes... 707 00:45:46,712 --> 00:45:49,112 ...we will issue a new medical update... 708 00:45:49,181 --> 00:45:54,141 ...and we will immediately contact as many members of the media as is possible. 709 00:45:54,386 --> 00:45:55,648 Thank you. 710 00:45:58,724 --> 00:46:02,990 All eyes are on Laramie, Wyoming, today, where many are turning their focus... 711 00:46:03,128 --> 00:46:04,891 ...to their homecoming parade... 712 00:46:04,964 --> 00:46:08,866 ...and the fortunes of the University of Wyoming football team. 713 00:46:28,354 --> 00:46:31,721 This apartment has windows on two opposite streets. 714 00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:34,281 One goes north and the other goes south. 715 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,818 That is exactly the homecoming parade route. 716 00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:44,161 On the day of the parade, I had a cast on my leg because of a fall... 717 00:46:44,236 --> 00:46:48,935 ...and I was very disappointed because I had heard that some students... 718 00:46:49,408 --> 00:46:52,241 ...were gonna be walking for Matthew Sheppard... 719 00:46:52,611 --> 00:46:56,843 ...and I wanted to join them, but I couldn't, so I watched from that window. 720 00:46:57,082 --> 00:46:58,310 It was just... 721 00:46:59,718 --> 00:47:02,881 I'm 52 years old and I'm... 722 00:47:03,889 --> 00:47:05,220 I'm gay. 723 00:47:06,325 --> 00:47:10,421 I've lived here for many years and I've seen a lot. 724 00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:15,433 And I was very moved when I saw the tag... 725 00:47:15,567 --> 00:47:18,764 ...at the end of the homecoming parade. 726 00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:30,682 It was just a group of people walking behind a banner for Matthew Sheppard. 727 00:47:39,658 --> 00:47:43,754 But the parade, it went down to the end of the block... 728 00:47:44,029 --> 00:47:46,156 ...made a U-turn around the block... 729 00:47:46,231 --> 00:47:48,529 ...and I came to the other side of my apartment... 730 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,125 ...to watch for it to come south down this street. 731 00:47:53,005 --> 00:47:55,906 Maybe 10 minutes went by. 732 00:47:59,845 --> 00:48:02,541 And then I saw the most... 733 00:48:03,282 --> 00:48:05,113 ...incredible thing. 734 00:48:08,354 --> 00:48:10,288 As the parade came down the street... 735 00:48:10,356 --> 00:48:13,382 ...the number of people marching for Matthew Sheppard... 736 00:48:13,459 --> 00:48:16,360 ...had grown, like, five times. 737 00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:18,853 Can you imagine? 738 00:48:19,331 --> 00:48:21,094 The tag at the end... 739 00:48:21,667 --> 00:48:24,192 ...was bigger than the entire parade. 740 00:48:36,682 --> 00:48:38,377 I thought to myself: 741 00:48:39,284 --> 00:48:42,685 "Thank God I got to see this in my lifetime. " 742 00:48:44,723 --> 00:48:46,816 And my second thought was: 743 00:48:48,827 --> 00:48:50,818 "Thank you, Matthew. " 744 00:49:00,606 --> 00:49:03,598 I really haven't been all that involved, per se. 745 00:49:04,676 --> 00:49:09,340 My husband's a highway patrolman. That's the only way I've known about it. 746 00:49:09,915 --> 00:49:12,213 But when I first found out... 747 00:49:12,351 --> 00:49:14,478 ...I just thought it was horrible. 748 00:49:15,754 --> 00:49:16,778 I just... 749 00:49:18,557 --> 00:49:19,888 I can't... 750 00:49:20,526 --> 00:49:22,289 Nobody deserves that. 751 00:49:24,096 --> 00:49:25,757 I don't care who you are. 752 00:49:26,398 --> 00:49:30,357 But I have to tell you, the media's portraying him as a saint. 753 00:49:31,303 --> 00:49:34,466 They're making him out as a martyr, and I don't think he was. 754 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:36,400 Did you know him? 755 00:49:36,842 --> 00:49:39,174 No, I didn't know him... 756 00:49:39,478 --> 00:49:42,379 ...but there's so many things... 757 00:49:42,448 --> 00:49:45,508 ...I found about him, it's just scary. 758 00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:50,313 About his character, and... 759 00:49:50,956 --> 00:49:54,084 ...spreading AIDS, and a few other things. 760 00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:56,291 You know, being... 761 00:49:56,962 --> 00:49:58,987 About the kind of person he was. 762 00:49:59,298 --> 00:50:00,492 Meaning? 763 00:50:02,267 --> 00:50:03,461 Well... 764 00:50:04,136 --> 00:50:05,569 He was... 765 00:50:06,271 --> 00:50:07,898 He was just... 766 00:50:10,676 --> 00:50:12,200 ...a barfly. 767 00:50:13,078 --> 00:50:15,012 So, I think he... 768 00:50:15,247 --> 00:50:19,809 ...pushed himself on, around or, I don't know. But I think he flaunted it. 769 00:50:21,553 --> 00:50:23,384 Another thing that wasn't brought out. 770 00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:26,982 Same time that happened, that patrolman was killed and there was nothing. 771 00:50:27,326 --> 00:50:30,352 They didn't say anything about that old man that killed him. 772 00:50:30,429 --> 00:50:32,021 He was driving down the road. 773 00:50:32,097 --> 00:50:34,292 He shouldn't have been driving and he killed him. 774 00:50:34,366 --> 00:50:36,266 And there was just a little piece. 775 00:50:37,269 --> 00:50:39,294 And we lost one of our guys. 776 00:50:40,105 --> 00:50:43,097 You know, my husband worked with him. 777 00:50:43,642 --> 00:50:46,202 This man was brand new on the force. 778 00:50:46,879 --> 00:50:49,245 But, I mean, here's one of ours... 779 00:50:49,882 --> 00:50:52,578 ...and it was just a little piece in the paper. 780 00:50:53,152 --> 00:50:56,315 But this was such a deliberate crime. 781 00:50:59,558 --> 00:51:01,321 Everybody's got problems. 782 00:51:03,128 --> 00:51:06,689 But why they're exemplifying Matthew Sheppard, I don't know. 783 00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:11,263 A hate crime is a hate crime. You murder somebody, you hate them. 784 00:51:11,336 --> 00:51:15,670 It has nothing to do if you're a gay or a prostitute or... 785 00:51:15,874 --> 00:51:17,205 I don't know. 786 00:51:21,046 --> 00:51:22,536 I don't understand. 787 00:51:25,918 --> 00:51:27,317 I don't understand. 788 00:51:36,628 --> 00:51:41,429 November 29, 1998. We're about to interview Father Roger Schmitt. 789 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,092 Here we go. Two queers and a Catholic priest. 790 00:51:46,438 --> 00:51:48,099 Matthew Sheppard... 791 00:51:49,208 --> 00:51:51,073 ...has served us well. 792 00:51:52,644 --> 00:51:55,169 You realize that? He has served us well. 793 00:51:55,948 --> 00:51:57,745 I cannot mention anyone... 794 00:51:57,816 --> 00:52:01,217 ...who has done more for this community than Matthew Sheppard. 795 00:52:02,287 --> 00:52:07,281 And I'm not gonna sit here and say, "I was just this bold guy, no fear. " 796 00:52:07,793 --> 00:52:09,556 I was scared. 797 00:52:10,329 --> 00:52:13,492 I was very vocal in this community when this happened... 798 00:52:13,565 --> 00:52:17,194 ...so I thought, "Should we call the Bishop... 799 00:52:17,669 --> 00:52:20,638 "... and ask him permission to do the vigil?" 800 00:52:20,739 --> 00:52:22,070 And I was like: 801 00:52:23,375 --> 00:52:26,538 "Hell, no, I'm not going to do that. 802 00:52:26,612 --> 00:52:29,581 "His permission doesn't make it correct. " 803 00:52:29,781 --> 00:52:31,578 And I'm not knocking bishops... 804 00:52:31,984 --> 00:52:34,714 ...but what is correct is correct. 805 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,404 You think violence is what they did to Matthew? 806 00:52:40,038 --> 00:52:42,404 They did do violence to Matthew. 807 00:52:42,908 --> 00:52:44,307 But, you know... 808 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:47,269 Can I make this personae? 809 00:52:47,379 --> 00:52:48,869 Yeah. Sure. 810 00:52:49,248 --> 00:52:53,116 Every time you are called a fag... 811 00:52:54,086 --> 00:52:57,317 ...or you are called a lez or... 812 00:52:57,389 --> 00:53:00,620 - Or a dyke. - Dyke, yeah, dyke. 813 00:53:01,393 --> 00:53:05,454 Do you realize that is violence? That is the seed of violence. 814 00:53:05,531 --> 00:53:10,491 I would resent it immensely if you use anything I said to... 815 00:53:10,969 --> 00:53:14,268 ...somehow cultivate that kind of violence. 816 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,468 Well, thank you, Father, for saying that. 817 00:53:17,543 --> 00:53:20,444 Just deal with what is true. 818 00:53:20,579 --> 00:53:23,275 You know what is true. 819 00:53:25,717 --> 00:53:29,278 You need to do your best to say it correct. 820 00:53:31,657 --> 00:53:35,115 These people trust us, you know. They want... 821 00:53:36,094 --> 00:53:39,621 They want everyone to know that they are not this crime. 822 00:53:43,201 --> 00:53:47,900 And it's more than clearing Laramie's name, it's clearing their own, and... 823 00:53:48,574 --> 00:53:50,701 ...I don't know that we can do that. 824 00:53:59,284 --> 00:54:00,410 Reverend? 825 00:54:00,485 --> 00:54:02,009 - Reverend, hi. - Yes? 826 00:54:02,087 --> 00:54:04,214 I'm Amanda. I'm with the theatre company... 827 00:54:04,289 --> 00:54:06,655 ...that's been speaking with people here in Laramie. 828 00:54:06,725 --> 00:54:10,024 I see. Well, let me tell you... 829 00:54:11,096 --> 00:54:15,624 ...I don't know that I really want to talk with anybody at all about this incident. 830 00:54:15,701 --> 00:54:20,263 I'm somewhat involved, and I really don't feel like it's appropriate. 831 00:54:20,505 --> 00:54:24,498 I completely understand. I just wanted to tell you, I went to your service. 832 00:54:24,576 --> 00:54:26,441 - You went to the services? - Yes, I did. 833 00:54:26,511 --> 00:54:28,103 - On Sunday? - Yes. 834 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:30,375 - Did I meet you? - Briefly. 835 00:54:30,649 --> 00:54:32,344 You welcomed us in the beginning. 836 00:54:33,085 --> 00:54:34,347 I see. 837 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,346 I will tell you that I am involved. 838 00:54:39,057 --> 00:54:40,854 Half the people in the case... 839 00:54:40,959 --> 00:54:44,759 The girlfriend of the accused is a member of our congregation... 840 00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:46,798 ...and one of the accused has visited. 841 00:54:46,999 --> 00:54:48,057 Right. 842 00:54:48,133 --> 00:54:50,328 I think they deserve the death penalty... 843 00:54:50,402 --> 00:54:54,338 ...but I will try to deal with them spiritually. 844 00:54:55,874 --> 00:54:57,774 As far as the victim... 845 00:54:59,711 --> 00:55:04,273 ...I know that that lifestyle is legal, but I will tell you one thing. 846 00:55:04,349 --> 00:55:06,874 I hope Matthew Sheppard... 847 00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:10,284 ...as he was tied to that fence... 848 00:55:10,856 --> 00:55:14,849 ...that he had time to reflect on a moment when... 849 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,524 ...somebody had spoken the Word of the lord to him... 850 00:55:20,999 --> 00:55:24,025 ...and that before he slipped into a coma... 851 00:55:24,269 --> 00:55:28,365 ...he had a chance to reflect on his lifestyle. 852 00:55:33,979 --> 00:55:37,346 Thank you, Reverend, I appreciate your speaking with me. 853 00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:39,611 All right. We better go. 854 00:55:49,561 --> 00:55:52,621 I let him say that to me. 855 00:55:52,764 --> 00:55:56,291 I let him say that to me, and I didn't say anything back. 856 00:56:22,627 --> 00:56:26,654 At midnight, on Monday, October 12... 857 00:56:27,132 --> 00:56:30,829 ...Matthew Sheppard�s blood pressure began to drop. 858 00:56:31,303 --> 00:56:36,263 We immediately notified the family, who were already at the hospital. 859 00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:40,608 At 12:53 a. m... 860 00:56:41,113 --> 00:56:43,081 ...Matthew Sheppard died. 861 00:56:45,183 --> 00:56:47,481 His family was at his bedside. 862 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,717 The family did release the following statement. 863 00:56:52,324 --> 00:56:57,023 They again asked me to express their sincerest gratitude... 864 00:56:58,096 --> 00:56:59,688 ...to the entire world... 865 00:56:59,765 --> 00:57:03,633 ...for the overwhelming response to their son. 866 00:57:05,103 --> 00:57:09,062 The family was grateful that they did not have to... 867 00:57:09,141 --> 00:57:14,044 ...make a decision regarding whether or not to continue life support for their son. 868 00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:19,249 "like a good son, he was caring to the end... 869 00:57:19,484 --> 00:57:22,351 "... and removed guilt or stress from the family. 870 00:57:23,789 --> 00:57:26,155 "He came into the world premature... 871 00:57:26,458 --> 00:57:28,926 "... and left the world premature. 872 00:57:30,395 --> 00:57:32,454 "Matthew's mother said: 873 00:57:35,734 --> 00:57:36,962 "'Go... "' 874 00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:51,180 We'd been up for 72 hours straight... 875 00:57:51,249 --> 00:57:54,218 ...and had gone home and gone to sleep for half an hour... 876 00:57:54,286 --> 00:57:57,949 ...and get up and come, maybe I was just way... 877 00:57:58,323 --> 00:57:59,585 I don't Know. 878 00:58:00,659 --> 00:58:04,993 While I was reading that statement, I thought about my own four daughters. 879 00:58:05,497 --> 00:58:08,022 She doesn't have her Kid anymore. 880 00:58:11,102 --> 00:58:12,467 "'Go home... 881 00:58:13,772 --> 00:58:15,603 "'... give your kids a hug... 882 00:58:19,811 --> 00:58:23,907 "'... and don't let a day go by without telling them that you love them. "' 883 00:58:25,784 --> 00:58:30,687 And then we started getting people sending us all these E-mails and letters. 884 00:58:30,822 --> 00:58:35,691 "Do you cry like a baby on TV for all your patients, or just the faggots?" 885 00:58:36,862 --> 00:58:38,124 Jesus. 886 00:58:39,064 --> 00:58:41,862 After being thrown into this... 887 00:58:41,933 --> 00:58:46,597 ...I guess I didn't understand the magnitude with which some people hate. 888 00:58:48,139 --> 00:58:51,734 And of all the letters we got, there were two or three like that. 889 00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:53,869 Most were: 890 00:58:53,979 --> 00:58:58,313 "Thanks for your caring and compassion. " 891 00:58:58,650 --> 00:59:00,174 And Matthew... 892 00:59:03,355 --> 00:59:06,722 Matthew got caring and compassion... 893 00:59:06,791 --> 00:59:09,191 ...from the moment he got here. 894 00:59:16,801 --> 00:59:20,202 The charges against Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney... 895 00:59:20,272 --> 00:59:25,073 ...were upgraded to first-degree murder after Matthew Sheppard died on Monday. 896 00:59:25,143 --> 00:59:29,011 If convicted, the two men could face the death penalty. 897 00:59:30,115 --> 00:59:31,582 I'll tell you what. 898 00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:33,941 If they put those two boys to death... 899 00:59:34,019 --> 00:59:37,386 ...it would defeat everything that Matt would be thinking about them. 900 00:59:37,455 --> 00:59:40,015 Because he would not want those two to die. 901 00:59:40,091 --> 00:59:43,652 He'd wanna leave them with hope. H- O-P-E. 902 00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:46,660 Just like the whole world hoped... 903 00:59:46,731 --> 00:59:48,562 ...that Matt would survive, right? 904 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,939 This whole thing, you see what I'm saying, this whole thing ropes around hope. 905 00:59:53,015 --> 00:59:54,949 H- O-P-E. 906 01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:14,134 On the day of the funeral, it was snowing and raining so bad. 907 01:00:14,202 --> 01:00:17,296 By the time I got there, there were already thousands of people. 908 01:00:17,372 --> 01:00:19,772 Dressed in black. Umbrellas everywhere. 909 01:00:20,108 --> 01:00:24,272 They had two churches set up and still there were hundreds of people outside... 910 01:00:24,346 --> 01:00:25,973 ...who couldn't fit inside. 911 01:00:26,048 --> 01:00:29,381 They had this park set up, and the park was full. 912 01:00:36,525 --> 01:00:40,621 "Thou shall not lie down with mankind as with womankind. 913 01:00:40,696 --> 01:00:45,656 "It is abomination. " Matthew Sheppard lived his life breaking that commandment! 914 01:00:45,834 --> 01:00:49,099 If he repented in his dying hours, we hope he did, if not... 915 01:00:49,171 --> 01:00:53,039 ...he is in Hell along with those killers. Do you believe in the Bible? 916 01:00:53,108 --> 01:00:56,339 You believe you're supposed to separate the precious from the vile? 917 01:00:56,411 --> 01:01:00,575 You don't believe that part of the Bible. You stand there, ignorant of the fact... 918 01:01:08,090 --> 01:01:11,355 After seeing Phelps protesting at Matthew's funeral... 919 01:01:11,426 --> 01:01:15,556 ...and then hearing that he's coming back to Laramie for Russell Henderson's trial... 920 01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:19,396 ...I decided that someone needs to stand toe-to-toe and show the difference. 921 01:01:19,468 --> 01:01:23,097 Some people are gonna be sent to Hell! 922 01:01:23,405 --> 01:01:25,805 And I think you know who you are! 923 01:01:26,942 --> 01:01:31,902 Nobody wouldn't be here if this was just a murder that the state was gonna handle. 924 01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:35,006 The state handles hundreds of murders. 925 01:01:35,083 --> 01:01:39,349 This murder is different because the gays... 926 01:01:39,421 --> 01:01:41,252 He's not even from Laramie. 927 01:01:41,323 --> 01:01:45,054 He just travels around the country doing these demonstrations. 928 01:01:51,433 --> 01:01:55,893 So we're planning an event. We're calling it "Angel Action. " 929 01:01:56,505 --> 01:02:00,032 This 21-year-old little lesbian is gonna walk the line with him. 930 01:02:03,378 --> 01:02:04,845 Fear not! 931 01:02:05,047 --> 01:02:07,982 You lift up your voice like a trumpet... 932 01:02:09,151 --> 01:02:13,110 ...and you show my people their transgressions! 933 01:02:13,188 --> 01:02:15,520 We are sending the message of God! 934 01:02:15,757 --> 01:02:17,918 God's anger is pure. 935 01:02:17,993 --> 01:02:21,656 And God is gonna send someone to Hell! 936 01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:24,562 That's God's anger! 937 01:02:25,133 --> 01:02:27,328 Now, we wouldn't be here... 938 01:02:40,282 --> 01:02:45,185 Do you want your sons and daughters to be taught by faggots... 939 01:02:45,253 --> 01:02:46,982 ...in your schools? 940 01:02:47,055 --> 01:02:48,886 We're not gonna let that happen! 941 01:03:11,012 --> 01:03:13,378 As soon as they started jury selection... 942 01:03:13,448 --> 01:03:15,814 ...everyone was coming into my shop with: 943 01:03:15,884 --> 01:03:19,615 "I don't wanna be on this trial. I hope they don't call me," or: 944 01:03:19,955 --> 01:03:22,856 "Oh, my God, I got called. How do I get off?" 945 01:03:23,191 --> 01:03:27,150 Just wanting to get as far away from it as they could. 946 01:03:27,496 --> 01:03:31,830 Very fearful that they were gonna have to be part of that jury. 947 01:03:33,268 --> 01:03:37,261 Then I heard Henderson had to sit in the courtroom... 948 01:03:37,772 --> 01:03:40,366 ...while they questioned prospective jurors. 949 01:03:41,009 --> 01:03:43,409 And one of the questions they asked was: 950 01:03:43,478 --> 01:03:45,946 "Would you be willing... 951 01:03:46,014 --> 01:03:48,574 "... to put this person to death?" 952 01:03:49,651 --> 01:03:52,085 And I understand a lot of the comments were: 953 01:03:52,721 --> 01:03:54,211 "Yes, I would. " 954 01:03:54,623 --> 01:03:56,147 "Absolutely. " 955 01:03:56,858 --> 01:03:58,519 "Yep, no problem. " 956 01:04:00,462 --> 01:04:02,589 Can you imagine hearing that? 957 01:04:03,465 --> 01:04:06,161 Juror after juror... 958 01:04:06,635 --> 01:04:08,364 ...after juror. 959 01:04:10,472 --> 01:04:13,600 These are people that he Knows. 960 01:04:16,178 --> 01:04:18,544 No wonder he changed his plea. 961 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:22,040 You entered a not guilty plea earlier, Mr. Henderson. 962 01:04:22,384 --> 01:04:25,114 But I understand you wish to change your plea today? 963 01:04:25,187 --> 01:04:26,381 Yes, sir. 964 01:04:26,454 --> 01:04:31,084 Do you understand that the recommended sentence here is two life sentences? 965 01:04:32,661 --> 01:04:33,821 Yes, sir. 966 01:04:33,895 --> 01:04:38,855 And do you understand that those may run concurrently or consecutively? 967 01:04:40,502 --> 01:04:41,526 Yes, sir. 968 01:04:41,603 --> 01:04:43,400 Before the court makes that decision... 969 01:04:43,471 --> 01:04:47,703 ...I understand that there are statements to be made by at least one individual. 970 01:04:47,842 --> 01:04:49,571 let's proceed with that. 971 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,473 As the grandmother and the person who raised Russell... 972 01:04:56,685 --> 01:04:58,744 ...along with my family... 973 01:04:59,321 --> 01:05:01,551 ...we have written the following statement. 974 01:05:02,524 --> 01:05:07,484 "Our hearts ache for the pain and suffering that the Sheppard�s have went through. 975 01:05:08,063 --> 01:05:11,726 "We have prayed for your family since the very beginning. 976 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,203 "Many times throughout the day, I have thought about Matt. 977 01:05:16,571 --> 01:05:19,836 "You will continue to be in our thoughts and prayers... 978 01:05:19,908 --> 01:05:23,275 "... as we know that your pain will never go away. 979 01:05:23,812 --> 01:05:26,940 "You have showed such mercy and we are so grateful... 980 01:05:27,015 --> 01:05:30,416 "... that you are giving us all the opportunity to live. 981 01:05:31,586 --> 01:05:32,917 "Your Honor... 982 01:05:32,988 --> 01:05:35,752 "... we, as a family... 983 01:05:36,157 --> 01:05:39,058 "... hope that as you sentence Russell... 984 01:05:39,694 --> 01:05:42,424 "... that you will do it concurrently... 985 01:05:42,764 --> 01:05:44,857 "... for two life terms. 986 01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:49,202 "For the Russell we know and love... 987 01:05:49,638 --> 01:05:52,664 "... we humbly plead, Your Honor... 988 01:05:53,475 --> 01:05:57,411 "... to not take Russell completely out of our lives... 989 01:05:57,479 --> 01:05:58,844 "... forever. " 990 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,282 Mr. and Mrs. Sheppard... 991 01:06:06,354 --> 01:06:09,812 ...there is not a moment that goes by that I don't... 992 01:06:10,425 --> 01:06:12,359 ...see what happened that night. 993 01:06:13,728 --> 01:06:16,094 I know what I did was very wrong... 994 01:06:17,565 --> 01:06:19,795 ...and I regret greatly what I did. 995 01:06:21,603 --> 01:06:24,094 You have my greatest sympathies for what happened. 996 01:06:27,142 --> 01:06:28,336 I hope that... 997 01:06:29,110 --> 01:06:33,103 ...one day, you will be able to find it in your hearts to forgive me. 998 01:06:38,753 --> 01:06:40,345 Mr. Henderson... 999 01:06:40,622 --> 01:06:44,524 ...this court does not believe that you really feel any true remorse... 1000 01:06:44,592 --> 01:06:46,321 ...for your part in this matter. 1001 01:06:47,028 --> 01:06:51,055 And I wonder whether you fully realize the gravity of what you have done. 1002 01:06:51,132 --> 01:06:55,501 You drove the vehicle that took Matthew Sheppard to his death. 1003 01:06:56,304 --> 01:06:58,704 You bound him to that fence... 1004 01:06:58,773 --> 01:07:02,004 ...in order that he might be more savagely beaten... 1005 01:07:02,277 --> 01:07:05,838 ...and in order that he might not escape to tell his tale. 1006 01:07:06,448 --> 01:07:09,474 You left him out there for 18 hours... 1007 01:07:09,517 --> 01:07:12,983 ...perhaps having an opportunity to save his life... 1008 01:07:13,055 --> 01:07:15,523 ...and you did nothing. 1009 01:07:16,625 --> 01:07:20,527 As to count three, that being felony murder with robbery... 1010 01:07:21,197 --> 01:07:25,531 ...you will serve a period of imprisonment for the term of your natural life. 1011 01:07:26,035 --> 01:07:27,627 For count one... 1012 01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:29,632 ...kidnapping... 1013 01:07:30,105 --> 01:07:34,633 ...you will serve a period of imprisonment for the term of your natural life. 1014 01:07:35,578 --> 01:07:40,345 Sentencing for count one to run consecutive to sentencing for count three. 1015 01:07:51,927 --> 01:07:56,057 After the sentencing, the Mormon Church decided to excommunicate Russell. 1016 01:07:56,699 --> 01:08:00,465 He's got a Mormon home teacher that visits him in prison every week. 1017 01:08:00,703 --> 01:08:03,001 Nobody from the church is gonna go visit him? 1018 01:08:03,072 --> 01:08:05,700 Not supposed to. They're not supposed to pray for him. 1019 01:08:05,774 --> 01:08:07,674 He'll just sort of disappear. 1020 01:08:25,527 --> 01:08:28,360 What happened that night? 1021 01:08:29,665 --> 01:08:31,565 We need to know. 1022 01:08:33,135 --> 01:08:35,660 This town needs to Know. 1023 01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:45,380 I need some more light on them. 1024 01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:50,380 - I never get tired of this play. - Try directing it 50 times. 1025 01:08:50,452 --> 01:08:53,250 You can relax, just keep the umbrellas up. 1026 01:08:54,156 --> 01:08:57,250 I hear you're doing Angels in America next year. 1027 01:08:57,326 --> 01:09:00,056 We have an obligation to reach our students... 1028 01:09:00,129 --> 01:09:02,825 ...and the question is, how do you move... 1029 01:09:03,232 --> 01:09:05,496 How do you reach a whole state... 1030 01:09:05,567 --> 01:09:08,195 ...where there is such deep-seated hostility toward gays? 1031 01:09:08,270 --> 01:09:09,999 How do you reach them? 1032 01:09:10,072 --> 01:09:13,007 Angels in America is just the beginning. 1033 01:09:13,442 --> 01:09:15,774 And guess who's auditioning for the lead? 1034 01:09:16,211 --> 01:09:18,475 My parents, right, they're like: 1035 01:09:18,547 --> 01:09:21,710 "So what plays are they doing in school this year?" 1036 01:09:21,784 --> 01:09:24,947 "let's see, Angels in America. " 1037 01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:26,351 "Wait. 1038 01:09:27,022 --> 01:09:30,651 "Angels in America? Isn't that that play? 1039 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,291 "It's that scene? 1040 01:09:33,028 --> 01:09:36,464 "So you're gonna audition for this?" 1041 01:09:36,765 --> 01:09:37,993 And I said: 1042 01:09:39,034 --> 01:09:40,865 "Yeah, I am. " 1043 01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:43,433 Huge argument, right? 1044 01:09:43,505 --> 01:09:45,666 It was this huge argument, and my mom says: 1045 01:09:45,741 --> 01:09:49,802 "You know, homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin. " 1046 01:09:49,878 --> 01:09:52,472 But the best thing that I knew I had on them... 1047 01:09:52,581 --> 01:09:54,549 ...was that they had just seen me... 1048 01:09:54,616 --> 01:09:57,813 ...right before this, onstage in Macbeth. 1049 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,516 I murdered this little kid and lady Mac Duff and these two other guys, right? 1050 01:10:02,591 --> 01:10:04,252 I'm like, "Mom... 1051 01:10:05,361 --> 01:10:08,057 "I just played a murderer tonight, and you... 1052 01:10:08,330 --> 01:10:10,890 "... didn't seem to have any problem with that. " 1053 01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:14,799 - So when's the audition? - Tuesday. 1054 01:10:15,037 --> 01:10:19,974 I have never prepared myself for an audition like this in my life. 1055 01:10:20,175 --> 01:10:21,574 Not even close. 1056 01:10:22,578 --> 01:10:26,241 Everybody second-guesses what you're doing. 1057 01:10:26,915 --> 01:10:29,281 You get a lot of heavy criticism. 1058 01:10:29,852 --> 01:10:31,581 You did everything wrong. 1059 01:10:31,754 --> 01:10:35,815 You're not supposed to touch anybody without gloves and protective gear. 1060 01:10:38,427 --> 01:10:42,295 Then they make you out to be some kind of big hero. 1061 01:10:43,766 --> 01:10:48,703 Some Joe Blow down the block, he could have done a better job than I did. 1062 01:10:52,007 --> 01:10:54,441 People do extraordinary things every day. 1063 01:10:56,345 --> 01:10:59,940 I think this has really brought home to my girls... 1064 01:11:00,315 --> 01:11:02,647 ...what their mom does for a living. 1065 01:11:08,757 --> 01:11:10,224 Just a minute. 1066 01:11:10,292 --> 01:11:12,783 It's the decision of the County's Attorney's Office... 1067 01:11:12,861 --> 01:11:15,625 ...that this will be tried as a death penalty case. 1068 01:11:15,697 --> 01:11:17,961 That's all I have for you now. Thank you. 1069 01:11:18,634 --> 01:11:21,330 How can I protest if the Sheppard�s want McKinney dead? 1070 01:11:21,403 --> 01:11:23,234 I just can't interfere in that. 1071 01:11:23,305 --> 01:11:26,502 But on a personae level, I knew Aaron in grade school. 1072 01:11:26,575 --> 01:11:29,169 He wasn't called Aaron. We called him A.J. 1073 01:11:29,244 --> 01:11:32,372 How can we put A.J. McKinney to death? 1074 01:11:32,948 --> 01:11:35,940 I think right now our most important teachers... 1075 01:11:36,018 --> 01:11:38,782 ...must be Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney. 1076 01:11:38,854 --> 01:11:40,446 They have to be our teachers. 1077 01:11:40,522 --> 01:11:41,819 How did you learn? 1078 01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:45,018 What did we do as a society to teach you that? 1079 01:11:45,094 --> 01:11:48,325 I don't know if many people will let them be their teacher. 1080 01:11:48,397 --> 01:11:51,730 I think it would be wonderful if the judge said: 1081 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,665 "In addition to the sentence... 1082 01:11:53,769 --> 01:11:56,397 "... you must tell your story. 1083 01:11:56,472 --> 01:11:59,600 "You must tell your story. " 1084 01:11:59,942 --> 01:12:03,469 This is a tape recording of the confession given by Aaron James McKinney... 1085 01:12:03,545 --> 01:12:06,378 ...to me as detective in charge of the investigation. 1086 01:12:06,715 --> 01:12:10,014 This confession was recorded two days after the attack. 1087 01:12:14,256 --> 01:12:18,693 - So, you guys go to the Fireside, right? - Yeah. 1088 01:12:19,461 --> 01:12:21,986 Where do you go after you leave the Fireside? 1089 01:12:22,397 --> 01:12:24,558 Some Kid wanted a ride home. 1090 01:12:25,901 --> 01:12:27,368 What's he look like? 1091 01:12:28,337 --> 01:12:29,895 like a queer. 1092 01:12:31,707 --> 01:12:35,006 - He looks like a queer? - Yeah, like a fag, you know? 1093 01:12:36,378 --> 01:12:38,505 Okay, so, how'd you meet him? 1094 01:12:38,947 --> 01:12:41,609 The fag? The queer guy? 1095 01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:46,412 We were meeting at the bar. He asked us what we were drinking and doing. 1096 01:12:46,755 --> 01:12:49,280 So what happened after you met him? 1097 01:12:50,025 --> 01:12:52,585 He wanted a ride home, and... 1098 01:12:53,095 --> 01:12:56,462 ...I just thought, "The dude's drunk, let's just take him home. " 1099 01:12:56,532 --> 01:12:59,296 When did you and Russ talk about jacking him up? 1100 01:12:59,501 --> 01:13:03,494 - We kind'a talked about it at the bar. - Tell me what happened next. 1101 01:13:03,805 --> 01:13:05,739 Drove him out past Wal Mart. 1102 01:13:06,008 --> 01:13:10,377 We got over there and he starts grabbing my leg and... 1103 01:13:10,679 --> 01:13:13,079 ...grabbing my genitals and... 1104 01:13:14,016 --> 01:13:18,612 ...I was like, "I'm not a fucking faggot. If you touch me again, you're gonna get it. " 1105 01:13:19,221 --> 01:13:22,554 I don't know what the hell he was trying to do... 1106 01:13:23,258 --> 01:13:25,624 ...but I beat him up pretty bad. 1107 01:13:26,261 --> 01:13:28,058 I think I killed him. 1108 01:13:29,231 --> 01:13:32,894 - What did you hit him with? - I blacked out. 1109 01:13:33,402 --> 01:13:38,032 My fist, my pistol, the butt of the gun. 1110 01:13:39,508 --> 01:13:42,773 I wonder what happened to me. I had a few beers and I don't know. 1111 01:13:42,844 --> 01:13:45,244 It's like I could see what was going on. 1112 01:13:45,814 --> 01:13:47,748 It was like somebody else was doing it. 1113 01:13:47,816 --> 01:13:52,810 What was the first thing he said or did that made you want to hit him? 1114 01:13:54,523 --> 01:13:56,957 He put his hand on my leg and... 1115 01:13:57,025 --> 01:13:59,585 ...slid his hand like he was gonna grab my balls. 1116 01:14:00,629 --> 01:14:04,429 When that defense team argued that McKinney did what he did... 1117 01:14:04,499 --> 01:14:07,093 ...because Matthew made a pass at him... 1118 01:14:07,769 --> 01:14:09,828 ...I just wanted to vomit... 1119 01:14:10,973 --> 01:14:12,235 ...because that's like saying it's okay. 1120 01:14:12,274 --> 01:14:16,128 It was disgusting and we were all just disgusted. 1121 01:14:16,203 --> 01:14:20,037 It was just rude, and that was less than integrals behavior. 1122 01:14:20,107 --> 01:14:23,133 We were all just disgusted by that quality of defense. 1123 01:14:23,210 --> 01:14:27,476 It's like the Twinkie defense, when the guy killed Harvey Milk and Moscone. 1124 01:14:27,848 --> 01:14:29,315 It's the same thing. 1125 01:14:29,383 --> 01:14:32,477 As much as a part of me didn't want the defense saying that... 1126 01:14:32,553 --> 01:14:35,420 ...it was a gay bashing or gay panic... 1127 01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:39,084 ...a part of me was really grateful. 1128 01:14:39,259 --> 01:14:42,751 Because I was really afraid that in this trial they were gonna try... 1129 01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:45,822 ...and say that it was a robbery, or it was about drugs. 1130 01:14:45,899 --> 01:14:49,164 So when they used gay panic as the defense... 1131 01:14:49,436 --> 01:14:51,529 ...I thought, "This is good... 1132 01:14:51,605 --> 01:14:55,803 "... because if nothing else, the truth is gonna come out. 1133 01:14:56,176 --> 01:14:59,043 "The truth is gonna be told. " 1134 01:14:59,146 --> 01:15:01,910 About how many times did you hit him in the truck... 1135 01:15:01,982 --> 01:15:04,280 ...before you guys stopped where you left him? 1136 01:15:04,351 --> 01:15:06,842 I'd say I hit him two or three times. 1137 01:15:07,454 --> 01:15:10,821 Probably three times with my fists and six times with the pistol. 1138 01:15:10,891 --> 01:15:12,449 Did he ask you to stop? 1139 01:15:12,693 --> 01:15:14,923 Yeah, he was getting the shit kicked out of him. 1140 01:15:14,995 --> 01:15:16,428 What did he say? 1141 01:15:17,631 --> 01:15:21,192 After he asked me to stop, most all he was doing was screaming. 1142 01:15:25,506 --> 01:15:28,634 Was Matthew conscious while Russell was tying him to the fence? 1143 01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:29,801 Yeah. 1144 01:15:29,877 --> 01:15:33,210 I told him, "Turn around and don't look at my license plate number"... 1145 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,044 ...because I was scared he would tell the police. 1146 01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:39,010 And then I asked him what my license plate said. 1147 01:15:39,086 --> 01:15:42,055 He read it and that's why I hit him a few more times. 1148 01:15:42,122 --> 01:15:43,851 Just to be sure? 1149 01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:47,890 My secret hope was that they were from somewhere else... 1150 01:15:48,295 --> 01:15:50,957 ...that then you can create this distance. 1151 01:15:51,331 --> 01:15:53,959 We don't grow children like that here. 1152 01:15:55,903 --> 01:15:58,804 It's pretty clear we do grow children like that here. 1153 01:15:59,273 --> 01:16:01,537 So obviously you don't like gay people? 1154 01:16:02,643 --> 01:16:05,305 - No, I don't. - Would you say you hate them? 1155 01:16:07,214 --> 01:16:11,310 No, I really don't hate them, but when they start... 1156 01:16:11,919 --> 01:16:14,285 ...coming on to me, I get pretty aggravated. 1157 01:16:14,354 --> 01:16:16,720 So you've been approached by gay people before? 1158 01:16:17,524 --> 01:16:19,048 No, not really. 1159 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,250 Did he threaten you? 1160 01:16:21,361 --> 01:16:23,352 - This gay dude? - Yeah. 1161 01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:24,419 No. 1162 01:16:24,965 --> 01:16:26,865 Can you answer me one thing? 1163 01:16:27,334 --> 01:16:29,894 Why did you guys take his shoes? 1164 01:16:30,904 --> 01:16:32,462 I don't know. 1165 01:16:35,476 --> 01:16:38,070 I'm never gonna get to see my son again? 1166 01:16:43,150 --> 01:16:44,640 I don't know. 1167 01:16:49,056 --> 01:16:50,819 He's gonna die for sure? 1168 01:16:51,258 --> 01:16:54,659 There is no doubt that Mr. Sheppard is going to die. 1169 01:16:58,732 --> 01:17:01,223 So what are they gonna give me, 25 to life? 1170 01:17:01,835 --> 01:17:04,463 Or the death penalty and just get it over with? 1171 01:17:04,538 --> 01:17:05,732 That's not our job. 1172 01:17:06,874 --> 01:17:09,604 That's the job of the judge and the jury. 1173 01:17:16,083 --> 01:17:20,349 The strange thing is, 20 minutes before Matthew was brought in... 1174 01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:24,618 ...Aaron McKinney, one of the perpetrators, was brought in by his girlfriend. 1175 01:17:24,758 --> 01:17:27,693 - Wait. McKinney was here? - Yeah. 1176 01:17:27,761 --> 01:17:32,221 I guess he went back into town later that same night and got in a fight. 1177 01:17:33,267 --> 01:17:37,033 And so there's Aaron on one bed in my ER... 1178 01:17:37,104 --> 01:17:39,504 ...and just a few beds down is Matthew. 1179 01:17:40,507 --> 01:17:44,534 Then two days later, I found out the connection. 1180 01:17:45,245 --> 01:17:47,338 Has the jury reached a verdict? 1181 01:17:48,348 --> 01:17:50,009 We have, Your Honor. 1182 01:17:51,585 --> 01:17:53,212 I was very... 1183 01:17:54,221 --> 01:17:55,449 ...struck. 1184 01:17:56,123 --> 01:17:57,590 They were two kids. 1185 01:17:58,358 --> 01:18:02,419 They were both my patients, but they were two kids. 1186 01:18:03,497 --> 01:18:07,695 I took care of both of them, took care of both their bodies... 1187 01:18:10,437 --> 01:18:14,635 ...and I felt a great deal of compassion for both of them. 1188 01:18:15,876 --> 01:18:17,104 We, the jury... 1189 01:18:17,177 --> 01:18:21,238 ...impaneled and sworn to try the above-entitled cause... 1190 01:18:21,315 --> 01:18:24,409 ...after having well and truly tried the matter... 1191 01:18:24,484 --> 01:18:27,248 ...unanimously find as follows: 1192 01:18:27,855 --> 01:18:30,119 As to the charge of kidnapping... 1193 01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:34,286 ...we find the defendant, Aaron James McKinney... 1194 01:18:35,095 --> 01:18:36,426 ...guilty. 1195 01:18:39,666 --> 01:18:42,100 As to the charge of felony murder... 1196 01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:46,128 ...we find the defendant, Aaron James McKinney... 1197 01:18:46,807 --> 01:18:48,138 ...guilty. 1198 01:18:57,684 --> 01:19:01,484 The jury returns to the courthouse today to start considering the punishment... 1199 01:19:01,555 --> 01:19:05,013 ...a phase of the trial that will probably last until next week. 1200 01:19:05,425 --> 01:19:08,952 I am working with McKinney, counseling him. 1201 01:19:09,329 --> 01:19:12,696 I don't think he can conceptualize... 1202 01:19:12,766 --> 01:19:15,496 ...the gravity of something like capital punishment... 1203 01:19:15,569 --> 01:19:18,732 ...but I'm going to be praying like the dickens tonight... 1204 01:19:18,805 --> 01:19:21,330 ...that we don't have to go through this next phase. 1205 01:19:21,408 --> 01:19:25,970 I don't know if you believe in prayer, but would you do this for me? 1206 01:19:26,446 --> 01:19:29,006 Would you just say, from time to time: 1207 01:19:29,082 --> 01:19:32,142 "lord, I lift him up to you. " 1208 01:19:32,819 --> 01:19:34,616 Just do that for me. 1209 01:19:35,656 --> 01:19:36,987 Of course, Father. 1210 01:19:38,158 --> 01:19:41,787 The sentencing phase of McKinney's trial was to begin momentarily. 1211 01:19:41,862 --> 01:19:44,854 However, now we're hearing that Judy and Dennis Sheppard... 1212 01:19:44,932 --> 01:19:49,164 ...have been approached by the defense team, who have pled for their client's life. 1213 01:19:49,236 --> 01:19:52,228 We understand Mr. Sheppard may approach the court this morning. 1214 01:20:13,327 --> 01:20:14,954 "My son Matthew... 1215 01:20:15,696 --> 01:20:17,630 "... did not look like a winner. 1216 01:20:18,932 --> 01:20:20,900 "He was rather uncoordinated... 1217 01:20:20,968 --> 01:20:25,132 "... and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. 1218 01:20:27,307 --> 01:20:31,038 "However, in his all-too-brief life, he proved that he was a winner. 1219 01:20:32,546 --> 01:20:35,276 "On October 6, 1((8... 1220 01:20:35,349 --> 01:20:38,546 "... my son tried to show the world that he could win again. 1221 01:20:39,987 --> 01:20:42,478 "On October 12, 1((8... 1222 01:20:43,991 --> 01:20:47,620 "... my first-born son and my hero lost. 1223 01:20:49,162 --> 01:20:51,995 "On October 12, 1((8... 1224 01:20:52,432 --> 01:20:56,129 "... my first-born son and my hero died... 1225 01:20:59,172 --> 01:21:02,141 "... 50 days before his 22nd birthday. 1226 01:21:05,078 --> 01:21:09,276 "I keep wondering the same thing that I did when I first saw him in the hospital. 1227 01:21:10,584 --> 01:21:12,575 "What would he have become? 1228 01:21:13,653 --> 01:21:17,316 "How could he have changed his piece of the world to make it better? 1229 01:21:19,192 --> 01:21:23,060 "Matt officially died in a hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado. 1230 01:21:24,765 --> 01:21:27,825 "He actually died on the outskirts of Laramie... 1231 01:21:28,702 --> 01:21:30,431 "... tied to a fence. 1232 01:21:32,272 --> 01:21:36,402 "You, Mr. McKinney, with your friend Mr. Henderson... 1233 01:21:36,476 --> 01:21:40,276 "... left him there by himself... 1234 01:21:41,077 --> 01:21:42,908 "... but he was not alone. 1235 01:21:45,348 --> 01:21:48,010 "There were his lifelong friends with him... 1236 01:21:48,918 --> 01:21:51,512 "... friends that he had grown up with. 1237 01:21:53,223 --> 01:21:56,158 "You're probably wondering who these friends were. 1238 01:21:58,294 --> 01:22:02,094 "First, he had the beautiful night sky and the same stars and moon... 1239 01:22:02,165 --> 01:22:04,690 "... we used to see through a telescope. 1240 01:22:05,402 --> 01:22:09,771 "Then he had the daylight and the sun to shine on him. 1241 01:22:12,342 --> 01:22:13,969 "And through it all... 1242 01:22:14,377 --> 01:22:18,404 "... he was breathing in the scent of the pine trees from the Snowy Range. 1243 01:22:19,983 --> 01:22:21,610 "He heard the wind... 1244 01:22:23,686 --> 01:22:27,417 "... the ever-present Wyoming wind, for the last time. 1245 01:22:29,526 --> 01:22:31,926 "He had one more friend with him. 1246 01:22:33,463 --> 01:22:34,987 "He had God. 1247 01:22:38,601 --> 01:22:41,570 "And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone. 1248 01:22:44,107 --> 01:22:49,067 "Matt's beating, hospitalization, and funeral put worldwide attention on hate. 1249 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,748 "Good is coming out of evil. 1250 01:22:53,650 --> 01:22:56,949 "People have said, 'Enough is enough. ' 1251 01:22:58,655 --> 01:23:00,350 "I miss my son... 1252 01:23:01,257 --> 01:23:04,715 "... but I am proud to be able to say that he was my son. 1253 01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:11,057 "Judy has been quoted as being against the death penalty. 1254 01:23:12,502 --> 01:23:16,029 "It has been stated that Matt was against the death penalty. 1255 01:23:16,339 --> 01:23:19,274 "Both of these statements are wrong. 1256 01:23:20,610 --> 01:23:23,135 "I, too, believe in the death penalty. 1257 01:23:25,482 --> 01:23:29,009 "I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. 1258 01:23:38,728 --> 01:23:43,324 "However, this is the time to begin the healing process... 1259 01:23:46,269 --> 01:23:49,898 "... to show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy. 1260 01:24:01,317 --> 01:24:02,841 "Mr. McKinney... 1261 01:24:04,254 --> 01:24:06,688 "... I am going to grant you life... 1262 01:24:07,624 --> 01:24:11,390 "... as hard as it is to do so, because of Matthew. 1263 01:24:12,529 --> 01:24:15,327 "Every time you celebrate Christmas... 1264 01:24:15,832 --> 01:24:20,166 "... a birthday, the Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. 1265 01:24:22,272 --> 01:24:24,740 "Every time you wake up in your prison cell... 1266 01:24:24,807 --> 01:24:27,275 "... remember you had the opportunity... 1267 01:24:27,343 --> 01:24:30,642 "... and the ability to stop your actions that night. 1268 01:24:32,715 --> 01:24:35,081 "You robbed me of something very precious... 1269 01:24:35,151 --> 01:24:37,312 "... and I will never forgive you for that. 1270 01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:44,683 "Mr. McKinney... 1271 01:24:46,095 --> 01:24:47,892 "... I give you life... 1272 01:24:49,132 --> 01:24:52,659 "... in the memory of someone who no longer lives. 1273 01:24:54,404 --> 01:24:56,429 "May you have a long life... 1274 01:24:57,740 --> 01:25:01,073 "... and may you thank Matthew every day for it. " 1275 01:25:06,883 --> 01:25:08,646 Thank you very much. 1276 01:25:16,626 --> 01:25:18,560 Mr. McKinney, you will be remanded... 1277 01:25:18,628 --> 01:25:21,791 ...to the custody of the Albany County Sheriff's Department... 1278 01:25:21,864 --> 01:25:25,027 ...pending transportation to the state penitentiary. 1279 01:25:25,101 --> 01:25:28,264 ladies and gentlemen, that concludes this matter. 1280 01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:51,458 I hope, when you think of this town, you can see something besides a crime... 1281 01:25:51,527 --> 01:25:53,859 ...and understand why we love it so much. 1282 01:25:55,865 --> 01:25:59,858 I'm just really glad that it's over. You know, I really am. 1283 01:25:59,936 --> 01:26:04,805 Testifying in this trial has been one of the hardest things I've had to do in my life. 1284 01:26:04,874 --> 01:26:08,469 I mean, don't get me wrong. I love the stage, I'm a natural for it... 1285 01:26:08,544 --> 01:26:12,310 ...but the actual testifying is really, really difficult. 1286 01:26:12,382 --> 01:26:14,577 The lawyers are asking you questions... 1287 01:26:14,651 --> 01:26:17,916 ...so you have questions that are coming at you in this avenue... 1288 01:26:17,987 --> 01:26:20,547 ...but then you have to funnel them over to the jury. 1289 01:26:20,623 --> 01:26:23,592 So you funnel them over there, and what you end up with is... 1290 01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:26,356 Well, basically, you have a funneling system. 1291 01:26:26,429 --> 01:26:27,623 Right? 1292 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,032 After taking the ATZ for six months, I was able to get a DNA test. 1293 01:26:35,104 --> 01:26:36,128 And it was... 1294 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,136 ...about a week later, I found out that I was... 1295 01:26:41,277 --> 01:26:42,835 ...negative for good. 1296 01:26:42,912 --> 01:26:44,880 - Wow. Thank God. - That's great. 1297 01:26:44,947 --> 01:26:48,474 I tell you, we were all on our knees saying Hail Mary�s. 1298 01:26:48,551 --> 01:26:51,520 Yeah, you're just so elated. We were really happy. 1299 01:26:51,587 --> 01:26:53,418 So what's the first thing she does? 1300 01:26:53,489 --> 01:26:56,185 I stuck my tongue right in my husband's mouth. 1301 01:26:57,260 --> 01:27:00,195 - What about your daughters? - The girls, they just bawled. 1302 01:27:00,263 --> 01:27:02,163 They were just so happy. 1303 01:27:02,231 --> 01:27:04,256 - And the force... - Boy. 1304 01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:07,359 Yeah, we went out and got shit-faced. 1305 01:27:07,437 --> 01:27:09,997 I just kissed everybody who came through that door. 1306 01:27:10,106 --> 01:27:12,336 - They don't need to know that. - You know what? 1307 01:27:12,408 --> 01:27:15,206 If it was a male or a female, I kissed them on the lips. 1308 01:27:15,278 --> 01:27:17,906 What part of what I just said did you not understand? 1309 01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:19,971 Mom, I have already kissed them. 1310 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,027 It's not clear to me, having Known Matthew... 1311 01:27:34,564 --> 01:27:37,465 ...what story he would want told about this. 1312 01:27:38,101 --> 01:27:40,501 We won't fully understand what happened here... 1313 01:27:40,570 --> 01:27:44,165 ...until time has had a chance to filter that out for us. 1314 01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,835 What happened here, the culture that caused this... 1315 01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:50,879 ...the complex set of events leading up to it... 1316 01:27:51,347 --> 01:27:54,680 ...it would have been like us trying to stop a tank. 1317 01:28:01,491 --> 01:28:06,394 Change is not an easy thing, and I don't think people were up to it. 1318 01:28:07,463 --> 01:28:08,930 They got what they wanted. 1319 01:28:08,998 --> 01:28:12,764 Those two boys got what they deserve, and we look good now. 1320 01:28:13,102 --> 01:28:16,731 It's been over a year since Matthew Sheppard died... 1321 01:28:16,806 --> 01:28:20,242 ...and they haven't passed shit in Wyoming. 1322 01:28:20,643 --> 01:28:22,975 They haven't passed it at a state level... 1323 01:28:23,045 --> 01:28:25,741 ...any town, anybody, anywhere... 1324 01:28:25,815 --> 01:28:28,511 ...has passed any kind of laws. 1325 01:28:28,584 --> 01:28:32,247 Anti-discrimination laws or hate crime legislation... 1326 01:28:32,321 --> 01:28:36,348 ...nobody has passed anything anywhere. 1327 01:28:39,362 --> 01:28:41,840 What's come out of it? 1328 01:28:42,341 --> 01:28:46,243 What's come out of it that's concrete and lasting? 1329 01:28:47,546 --> 01:28:52,540 "The dead will be commemorated and will struggle on with the living... 1330 01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:56,686 "... and we are not going away. 1331 01:28:58,257 --> 01:29:00,555 "We won't die secret deaths anymore. 1332 01:29:01,727 --> 01:29:04,059 "The world only spins forward. 1333 01:29:06,732 --> 01:29:09,462 "We will be citizens. 1334 01:29:10,502 --> 01:29:12,163 "The time has come. 1335 01:29:22,715 --> 01:29:23,977 "'Bye, now. " 1336 01:29:32,191 --> 01:29:34,682 Have you ever gone out to the fence? 1337 01:29:37,096 --> 01:29:39,656 I drove up to the site in my limousine... 1338 01:29:40,065 --> 01:29:44,798 ...and I remembered something to myself the night he and I drove around together. 1339 01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:47,464 He said, "Laramie sparkles, doesn't it?" 1340 01:29:49,174 --> 01:29:51,574 And where he was in that spot up there... 1341 01:29:51,677 --> 01:29:55,977 ...if you sit exactly in that spot up there, Laramie sparkles from there. 1342 01:29:56,415 --> 01:29:58,679 With the low-Iying clouds... 1343 01:29:59,018 --> 01:30:02,920 ...it's the blue lights bouncing off the clouds from the airport... 1344 01:30:02,988 --> 01:30:05,616 ...and it goes... 1345 01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:09,691 ...over the whole city. 1346 01:30:10,829 --> 01:30:12,228 I mean... 1347 01:30:13,332 --> 01:30:15,323 ...it blows you away. 1348 01:30:16,001 --> 01:30:20,495 Matt was right there in that spot, and I can just picture... 1349 01:30:20,706 --> 01:30:22,230 ...in his eyes... 1350 01:30:23,108 --> 01:30:25,906 I can picture what he was seeing. 1351 01:30:27,112 --> 01:30:30,639 The last thing that he saw on this earth... 1352 01:30:31,183 --> 01:30:35,210 ...was the sparkling lights of Laramie, Wyoming. 116422

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