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Now, I first thought the two Kids
who did this came from someplace else.
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When I learned that they had grown up
in Laramie, I was just floored.
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In Laramie, Wyoming...
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...a young man is in a deep coma,
near death from a savage beating.
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When I first found out,
I just thought it was horrible.
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Nobody deserves that.
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I don't care who you are.
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A college freshman was beaten...
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...tied to a fence, and left for dead
in Wyoming this week.
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You'd like to think
this was somebody from out of town.
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Somebody who comes through
and beats somebody up.
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But if we're talking about somebody
who's been beaten repeatedly...
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...by somebody from our town,
that certainly offends us.
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If you asked me before, I would have
told you Laramie is a beautiful town.
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It's secluded, you know, secluded enough...
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...so you can have your own identity.
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Now, after Matthew...
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...we're a town defined
by an accident or a crime.
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We've become Waco or Jasper.
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We're a noun, or a definition, or a sign.
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- Do you mind if I tape this?
- No, I don't mind.
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Great. Thank you again for taking time
out of your rehearsal to talk to me.
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I must tell you, when I first heard
you were thinking of coming here...
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...when you first called me...
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...I wanted to say:
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"You just kicked me in the stomach.
Why are you doing this to me?"
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And then I thought, "Well, that's stupid.
You're not doing this to me. "
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And more importantly...
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...my students need to talk.
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When this first happened,
they started to talk about it.
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Then the media descended
and all dialogue stopped.
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We're not reporters.
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I know. I read your last play.
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You did?
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Gave me an idea of what you do.
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Moises called, saying he had an idea
for his next theatre project...
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...but there was a somberness to his voice,
so I asked him what it was all about.
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He said he wanted to do a piece
about what's happening in Wyoming.
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Leigh told me that the company was
thinking of going down to Laramie...
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...and conducting interviews,
and did I want to come?
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I did, I said, yeah, but...
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...I was hesitant, because as a gay man...
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I mean...
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...a kid had just been killed there
because he was gay.
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What exactly do you want?
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I'd like you to give me names of people
who might want to talk to us.
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I'd like to talk to your students
and your friends.
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I want to hear from the people of the town.
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I have never done anything like this before.
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How do you get people to talk to you?
What do you ask?
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It's still very raw for us here.
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I understand, but this is no longer
about Laramie or Wyoming.
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This is about the whole country.
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To me, it's still about Laramie.
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The company has agreed to go to Laramie
and interview the people of the town.
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I'm scared, because I don't know
what I'm gonna do to ensure their safety.
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I made a preliminary contact...
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...with the head of the theatre department
at the University of Wyoming...
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...and hopefully that will lead
to more interviews.
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You're late.
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I know.
We talked for a lot longer than I planned.
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What did Rebecca say?
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She gave me names of people
who might talk to us.
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Townspeople, ranchers, some students.
We should contact these people first.
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let's see if anybody's gonna talk.
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- Great.
- You okay? What?
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Please, don't do that here.
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- Where are you folks from?
- New York.
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And what brings you to town?
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We're just passing through.
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Hi.
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- Is Linda home?
- Nope, she's working.
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Okay. Can you tell her that Amanda
stopped by and I'll be at the Ranger Motel?
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And who are you?
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I'm with a theatre company.
Rebecca Hilliker told her about me.
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I never heard of her. What do you want?
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We're writing a play about Laramie
and the Matthew Sheppard incident.
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Why are you doing that?
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We think it's a story that-
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Sticking your nose into something
we don't need to talk about.
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- That's over and done.
- I understand your feeling-
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We don't want any more of this.
You're not wanted here.
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Where are you going with this story?
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When the play is finished,
we'll bring it around to Laramie.
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- And you're gonna use our words?
- That's the idea.
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I've been close enough to the case
to know many of the people.
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I have a daughter,
works in the Sheriff's department.
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As for the "gay issue"...
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...I don't give a damn one way or another
as long as they don't bother me.
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And even if they did,
I'd just say, "No, thank you. "
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That's the attitude
of most of the Laramie population.
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They might poke one in a bar situation,
you know.
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If they had been drinking,
they might smack one in the mouth...
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...but then they'd just walk away.
Laramie is live-and-let-live.
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My dear brothers and sisters, I am here
today to bring you the Word of the Lord.
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In my ministry, I've found a simple truth
that I'd like to share with you today.
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It's this:
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The Word is either sufficient...
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...or it is not.
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Scientists tell me that human history...
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...that the world is five billion
or six billion years old.
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After all, what's a billion years,
give or take?
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But the Bible tells me
that human history is 6,000 years old.
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The Word is either sufficient or it is not.
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In Laramie, population 26,687...
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...the first thing to greet us was WaI Mart.
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This could be any main drag in America.
Fast food chains, gas stations.
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But as we drove into the downtown area,
by the railroad tracks...
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...the buildings still retained the shape
of a turn-of-the-century western town.
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As we passed the University Inn...
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...on the sign where amenities such as
heated pool, cable TV are usually touted...
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...it said, "Hate is not a Laramie value. "
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So how did you wind up here?
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Well, when it came time to go to college...
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...my parents couldn't really afford
to send me to college.
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I knew that I wanted to study theatre...
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...and I knew that if I wanted to go
to college, I had to get on a scholarship.
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There's this competition
that they have every year.
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It's like a Wyoming state
high school competition thing.
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I came to the University, to the theatre
department, to look for some good scenes.
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I asked the professor, I said,
"You know, I need a killer scene. "
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And he's like,
"Here Here you go. This is it. "
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- What was it?
- That was Angels in America.
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I read that and I'm like, this is okay.
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I can win Best Scene
if I just do a good enough job.
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So I tell my parents, so they can come
see me in the competition.
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They brought me in the room
and they sat me down...
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...and they said that they wouldn't come
to see me if I did that scene.
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- They couldn't.
- Why is that?
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You know, because they believe it's wrong,
because homosexuality's wrong.
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AII I remember from the competition
is just standing ovation.
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- Really?
- Just...
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We won. We got first place.
One of the best moments of my life.
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- Did your parents come?
- Parents weren't there.
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So why'd you do it?
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Actually, if I'm really honest, I think...
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...I just wanted to win, really.
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It was just the greatest scene.
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I just wanted to win.
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Today, for the first time, I met someone
who actually knew Matthew Sheppard.
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Trish Steger, owner of a shop in town,
referred to him as Matt.
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Matt used to come into my shop.
That's how I knew him.
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It was the first time I ever heard him
referred to as Matt instead of Matthew.
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Well, what was he like?
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I don't know.
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How does any one person
ever tell about another?
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Matt was a blunt little shit.
Know what I'm saying?
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He was a little guy, 5'2".
Soaking wet, I bet you 7 pounds, tops.
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They were saying he weighed 110 pounds.
I don't believe it.
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I say, "Are you Matthew Sheppard?"
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He says, "Yeah, I'm Matthew Sheppard,
but don't call me Matthew, or Mr. Sheppard.
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"Don't call me none of that.
My name is Matt.
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"And I want you to know that I am gay,
and we're gonna be going to a gay bar.
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"Do you have a problem with that?"
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I said, "No. How are you paying?"
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The fact of the matter is,
Laramie doesn't have any gay bars.
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For that matter, neither does Wyoming.
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He was hiring me to take him down
to Fort Collins, Colorado...
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...which is about an hour away.
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He was struggling when he first came here.
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Reaching out, trying to fit in.
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- I'm sorry I'm late.
- My sister Romaine.
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She was a close friend of Matthew's.
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Matthew really wanted
to get into political affairs.
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That was all his big interest was,
watching CNN and MSNBC.
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Those were the only TV stations
I ever saw his TV tuned in to.
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So why did he move to Laramie?
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He told me he was thinking about
going back to school.
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So I told him, "Go to the University
of Wyoming, go to Laramie.
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"You can really find a home there. "
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I was Matthew's academic advisor,
so I Knew him in a very specific context.
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But I can tell you that Matthew
was very shy when he first came in...
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...to the point of being somewhat mousy,
I'd almost say.
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But soon, his shyness began to give way
to this person...
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...that was excited about this track
that he was going to embark on.
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Whenever I think of Matthew,
I think of his...
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...incredible beaming smile.
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He'd walk into a room and just be, like...
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He'd smile at everyone.
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He made you feel great.
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He was just starting to say:
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"There are opportunities here.
There are things I can do in this world.
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"I can be important. "
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I heard from Matt
about 48 hours before the attack.
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He told me he'd just joined
the gay and lesbian group on campus...
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...and he was really enjoying it,
getting ready for Pride Week.
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He was totally stoked about school.
He was really happy being there.
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I can only say this in retrospect, of course.
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I think that's where he was headed,
towards human rights.
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let me tell you something.
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There's more gay people in Wyoming
than meets the eye.
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- You think?
- I know for a fact.
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I mean, they're not particularly...
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What do you call the queens,
the gay people, queens?
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You know,
the run-around, faggot-type people.
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They're more like the ones who'II...
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...throw a bale of hay, jump on a horse,
brand them and kick ass.
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Know what I'm saying? As I always say...
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...you don't fuck with a Wyoming queer
'cause they'll fucking kick you in your ass.
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- But that's not the point.
- What is the point?
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People of Wyoming do not give a damn
one way or the other if you're gay...
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...if you're straight, bisexual,
trisexuaI, it doesn't matter.
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- Really?
- That's what I just said. It doesn't matter.
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I was the first out lesbian
or gay faculty member...
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...and that's in 1((2.
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That's not that long ago.
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They asked me at the interview
what my husband did.
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So I came out then.
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When I first moved out here,
I knew it was gonna be hard as a gay man.
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There would be times
when I would go to Denver...
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...and I would go to the gay bars there, and
people would ask me where I was from...
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...and I would say, "Laramie, Wyoming. "
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And I met so many men down there
from Wyoming.
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So many gay men who grew up here
and they were like:
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"This is not a place where I can live.
How can you live there? I had to get out. "
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But every once in awhile, there'd be a guy:
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"Gosh, I miss Laramie.
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"I mean, I really love it there.
That's where I want to live. "
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And they'd get this starry-eyed look,
and I think...
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...if that is where you wanna live, do it.
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So I get into my office one day and
I have a message to call this woman back.
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So I call her back and she goes,
"I hear you are a lesbian.
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"I hear you are one. " And I'm like, "uh-huh?"
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She goes, "I'm one, too. " She wanted
to come over and meet me immediately.
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She also warned me about the fact...
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...that there's other lesbians in this town
who would not be seen with me.
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That just to be seen with me
would taint them irreparably.
228
00:14:56,405 --> 00:14:59,738
That just to be seen with me
would be a big problem.
229
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I love this land.
230
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I mean...
231
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...I really love this land.
232
00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:29,666
I'm gonna make this brief, quick, just
get it over with, but it will be everything.
233
00:15:29,738 --> 00:15:33,572
Factual, just the facts. 10:00.
I punch in, my regular time for Tuesdays.
234
00:15:33,642 --> 00:15:35,610
At 10:30 we're having karaoke night...
235
00:15:35,678 --> 00:15:38,044
...so there's maybe 20 or 30 people
milling around.
236
00:15:38,113 --> 00:15:42,277
That's when Matthew Sheppard
comes in alone, he comes in and...
237
00:15:43,185 --> 00:15:46,985
...he sits right where you're sitting
right now, orders himself a Heineken.
238
00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:51,754
So what can I tell you about Matt?
Well, manners...
239
00:15:52,294 --> 00:15:55,752
...politeness, intelligence.
Taking care of me, as in tips.
240
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Everything, he just offers conversation.
241
00:15:58,133 --> 00:16:00,465
He comes in,
he's always dressed nice, clean-cut.
242
00:16:00,536 --> 00:16:03,471
Didn't seem to have any worries.
He wasn't waiting on anybody.
243
00:16:03,539 --> 00:16:06,667
He just wanted to enjoy his drink
and the company around.
244
00:16:13,048 --> 00:16:15,414
I guess it was maybe 11:30 or 11:45.
245
00:16:15,484 --> 00:16:19,045
That's when Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney came in.
246
00:16:19,288 --> 00:16:22,553
They come in, approach the bar,
they sit here and order a pitcher...
247
00:16:22,625 --> 00:16:26,493
...and as you know, they pay for the thing
entirely in dimes and quarters...
248
00:16:26,562 --> 00:16:29,554
...which, let me tell you,
is something you just don't forget.
249
00:16:29,632 --> 00:16:32,760
You don't forget something like that.
$5.50 in dimes and quarters?
250
00:16:32,835 --> 00:16:34,996
It's a freaking nightmare
for a bartender.
251
00:16:35,337 --> 00:16:39,000
Money meant nothing to Matthew
because he grew up with a lot of it.
252
00:16:39,074 --> 00:16:41,201
He'd have handed over his wallet
in a second...
253
00:16:41,277 --> 00:16:43,404
...because money meant nothing to him.
254
00:16:43,479 --> 00:16:46,312
I mean, his shoes might have
meant something, but...
255
00:16:46,548 --> 00:16:50,006
They can say it was robbery
all they want to, but I don't buy it.
256
00:16:50,219 --> 00:16:52,244
Not even for an iota of a second.
257
00:16:52,421 --> 00:16:55,288
look, when they came in,
Henderson and McKinney...
258
00:16:55,357 --> 00:16:58,758
...to me, they didn't seem
to be intoxicated at all.
259
00:16:58,827 --> 00:17:00,988
They came in,
they order a pitcher of beer...
260
00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:05,329
...they take it back there into the pool area,
and they just kept to themselves.
261
00:17:06,502 --> 00:17:08,367
It was going on for half an hour...
262
00:17:08,437 --> 00:17:12,305
...and then I noticed Russell and Aaron
had been talking with Matthew Sheppard.
263
00:17:13,442 --> 00:17:16,313
Some people are saying
he made a pass at them.
264
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,812
Hell, you don't pick up regular people.
265
00:17:20,251 --> 00:17:22,583
Aaron and I have been together
for two years.
266
00:17:24,655 --> 00:17:28,352
Aaron said that a guy walked up to him
and said he was gay...
267
00:17:28,426 --> 00:17:30,724
...and wanted to get with him and Russ.
268
00:17:30,828 --> 00:17:32,420
Aaron's really bad about that.
269
00:17:32,496 --> 00:17:35,954
He doesn't like to be around gay people
at all, and neither does Russ.
270
00:17:36,033 --> 00:17:38,558
They just don't like them at all.
271
00:17:39,370 --> 00:17:42,168
So he got aggravated with it
and said he was straight...
272
00:17:42,239 --> 00:17:46,266
...and he didn't wanna have anything
to do with it, and he walked off.
273
00:17:46,677 --> 00:17:49,578
He said that's when him and Russ
went into the bathroom...
274
00:17:49,647 --> 00:17:54,107
...and decided to pretend that they were
gay and get him in the truck and rob him.
275
00:17:54,485 --> 00:17:58,478
They wanted to teach him a lesson
not to come on to straight people.
276
00:17:59,023 --> 00:18:03,357
I'm not excusing their actions,
but it seems to be partially his fault...
277
00:18:03,427 --> 00:18:07,124
...and partially the guys who did it,
so, you know...
278
00:18:07,565 --> 00:18:09,362
...maybe it's 50-50.
279
00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:12,493
They stated that Matt came on to them,
that he approached them.
280
00:18:12,570 --> 00:18:17,200
I absolutely, positively disbelieve
and refute that statement 100 percent.
281
00:18:17,274 --> 00:18:20,004
I'll give you two reasons why.
One, character reference.
282
00:18:20,077 --> 00:18:24,036
Why would he approach them? He wasn't
approaching anyone else in the bar.
283
00:18:24,114 --> 00:18:26,844
Okay, they say he's gay,
that he was a flaming gay.
284
00:18:26,917 --> 00:18:28,646
He's gonna come on to people like that.
285
00:18:28,719 --> 00:18:31,449
Bullshit! He never came on to me.
I mean, hello! Come on.
286
00:18:31,522 --> 00:18:33,820
He's gonna approach these two guys?
Please.
287
00:18:33,891 --> 00:18:37,827
And two, territorialism.
Matt was sitting there.
288
00:18:37,895 --> 00:18:39,692
Aaron and Russell were back there.
289
00:18:39,763 --> 00:18:42,926
Upon their first interaction,
they were in Matt's area...
290
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,764
...the area that he had been
seen sitting all night long.
291
00:18:45,836 --> 00:18:47,565
So who approached who by that?
292
00:18:48,706 --> 00:18:51,266
He'd never not talk to someone
for any reason.
293
00:18:51,475 --> 00:18:55,070
If someone started talking to him,
he'd just be like, "Blah, blah, blah. "
294
00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,148
He had no problem just striking up
a conversation with anybody.
295
00:19:00,284 --> 00:19:01,945
This is what I'm testifying to...
296
00:19:02,019 --> 00:19:04,783
...because basically
I'm the key eyewitness in the case.
297
00:19:04,855 --> 00:19:08,655
Basically, I'm going to be testifying
that I saw Matthew leave.
298
00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,593
I saw two individuals leave with Matthew
Sheppard, and I didn't see their faces.
299
00:19:12,663 --> 00:19:16,690
I saw the back of their heads. At this time,
McKinney and Henderson aren't around.
300
00:19:16,767 --> 00:19:18,394
You do the math.
301
00:20:05,282 --> 00:20:07,682
I'm not super familiar with that area...
302
00:20:08,485 --> 00:20:13,422
...which now makes me think that
God wanted me to find him.
303
00:20:15,626 --> 00:20:17,617
I was going for a ride on my bike...
304
00:20:18,429 --> 00:20:23,162
...and I noticed something
just laying there by the fence.
305
00:20:25,536 --> 00:20:27,470
I think it's a scarecrow.
306
00:20:28,606 --> 00:20:30,699
Halloween's coming up.
307
00:20:30,808 --> 00:20:33,436
I think it's a Halloween gag.
308
00:20:34,345 --> 00:20:37,712
I even noticed his chest
moving up and down.
309
00:20:38,682 --> 00:20:43,085
I still thought it was a dummy.
I thought it was some kind of mechanism.
310
00:20:45,255 --> 00:20:46,347
But when I...
311
00:20:49,226 --> 00:20:50,750
When I saw hair...
312
00:20:52,596 --> 00:20:53,893
...his hair...
313
00:20:57,568 --> 00:20:59,559
...I knew it was a human being.
314
00:21:01,038 --> 00:21:02,471
So what'd you do?
315
00:21:03,741 --> 00:21:07,370
I ran to the nearest house
as fast as I could and called the police.
316
00:21:09,046 --> 00:21:11,776
The Sheriff's Department
held a news conference today.
317
00:21:11,849 --> 00:21:16,684
They're investigating the attempted
murder of 22-year-old Matthew Sheppard.
318
00:21:16,987 --> 00:21:19,387
The Sheriff says
they found the man badly beaten...
319
00:21:19,456 --> 00:21:21,856
...and unconscious,
tied to a fence last night.
320
00:21:23,861 --> 00:21:26,523
The brutal attack left
Matthew Sheppard in a coma.
321
00:21:26,597 --> 00:21:30,556
The bicyclist who found him
said he first thought it was a scarecrow.
322
00:21:30,634 --> 00:21:32,431
In jail now, charged with the crime...
323
00:21:32,503 --> 00:21:35,870
...21-year-old Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney, of Kidnapping...
324
00:21:35,939 --> 00:21:37,964
The victim, Matthew Sheppard...
325
00:21:38,042 --> 00:21:41,739
...is in very critical condition at this hour
in Poudre Valley Hospital.
326
00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:51,386
The arraignment took place on Friday
around lunchtime.
327
00:21:52,056 --> 00:21:54,047
More details about the case
had come out...
328
00:21:54,124 --> 00:21:57,457
...like the fact that the perpetrators
themselves were kids.
329
00:21:58,128 --> 00:22:02,565
Kids, local Kids, that everyone who's from
around here has some relationship to.
330
00:22:09,206 --> 00:22:12,198
So then a judge comes in
and does a reading of the facts.
331
00:22:12,910 --> 00:22:17,904
The Defendants, Aaron James McKinney
and Russell Arthur Henderson...
332
00:22:18,682 --> 00:22:21,150
...met Matthew Sheppard
at the Fireside Bar.
333
00:22:21,685 --> 00:22:24,017
After Mr. Sheppard confided he was gay...
334
00:22:24,088 --> 00:22:26,454
...the subjects deceived Mr. Sheppard...
335
00:22:26,523 --> 00:22:29,788
...into leaving with them
in their vehicle to a remote area.
336
00:22:31,028 --> 00:22:36,022
En route to said location, Mr. Sheppard
was struck in the head with a pistol...
337
00:22:36,667 --> 00:22:39,101
...and upon arrival at said area...
338
00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:42,138
...both subjects tied their victim
to a buck fence...
339
00:22:42,206 --> 00:22:47,007
...robbed him, tortured him,
and continued to beat and terrorize him.
340
00:22:47,945 --> 00:22:52,814
When I got to the fence,
I seen what appeared to be a young man...
341
00:22:53,117 --> 00:22:57,110
...13 or 14 years of age,
because he was so tiny, laying there...
342
00:22:57,187 --> 00:23:00,816
...and he was bound
to the bottom of the pole.
343
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,754
- What did you do?
- I did the best I could.
344
00:23:05,829 --> 00:23:08,297
He was covered in dried blood
all over his head.
345
00:23:08,365 --> 00:23:11,232
The only place that
there wasn't any blood...
346
00:23:11,535 --> 00:23:15,403
...was what appeared to be where
he had been crying down his face.
347
00:23:15,773 --> 00:23:17,240
You know...
348
00:23:17,941 --> 00:23:19,932
...he did not look normal.
349
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:23,609
I could tell that he had
a very harsh head wound.
350
00:23:24,448 --> 00:23:26,814
You expect these Kinds of injuries
from somebody...
351
00:23:26,884 --> 00:23:29,717
...crashing down a hill
in a car at 80 miles an hour.
352
00:23:29,787 --> 00:23:33,245
You expect to see gross injuries
from something like that...
353
00:23:33,323 --> 00:23:35,291
...this horrendous, terrible thing.
354
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,153
But you don't expect to see someone
doing this to another person.
355
00:23:40,697 --> 00:23:43,029
Both defendants were later
contacted by officers...
356
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,695
...from the Laramie Police Department,
who observed inside their pickup...
357
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:49,864
...a credit card
and a pair of black patent-leather shoes...
358
00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:52,238
...belonging to the victim,
Matthew Sheppard.
359
00:23:52,342 --> 00:23:56,244
The thing that shocked me is,
it was a pristine crime scene.
360
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,977
How do you mean?
361
00:23:58,282 --> 00:24:00,876
The tire tracks,
the impressions that the tire made...
362
00:24:00,951 --> 00:24:03,317
...they were perfect
because of the sandy soil.
363
00:24:03,387 --> 00:24:06,754
And we found a carpet fragment
from inside the truck.
364
00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:09,018
That will always shock me until this day.
365
00:24:09,252 --> 00:24:11,117
In Wyoming, the wind's so strong...
366
00:24:11,187 --> 00:24:14,987
...you usually never find something
like that at an exterior crime scene.
367
00:24:16,893 --> 00:24:19,987
His hands were thumbs out,
what we call the cuffing position.
368
00:24:20,063 --> 00:24:22,293
It's how we handcuff people.
369
00:24:22,632 --> 00:24:25,328
He was tied with a real thin white rope...
370
00:24:25,735 --> 00:24:30,638
...and it was wound around the bottom of
the pole about four inches off the ground.
371
00:24:31,975 --> 00:24:33,840
His shoes were missing.
372
00:24:35,278 --> 00:24:38,042
He was tied extremely tight,
so I used my boot knife.
373
00:24:38,148 --> 00:24:41,015
I tried to slip it in there,
between the rope and his wrist.
374
00:24:43,052 --> 00:24:45,247
I had to be extremely careful...
375
00:24:45,321 --> 00:24:47,983
...so as not to harm Matthew any further.
376
00:24:48,658 --> 00:24:51,855
I was yelling at him at the top
of my lungs, "Hey, wake up!"
377
00:24:51,928 --> 00:24:54,419
Something,
just trying to get anything out of him.
378
00:24:55,365 --> 00:24:58,391
He didn't move, he didn't flinch,
he didn't anything.
379
00:24:58,968 --> 00:25:02,927
We rolled him over onto his left side.
When we did that, he stopped breathing.
380
00:25:03,006 --> 00:25:05,474
I immediately got him back on his back.
381
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:08,343
And that was just enough
of an adjustment.
382
00:25:08,444 --> 00:25:13,245
It gave me just enough room for me to
slip my knife in there and to cut him free.
383
00:25:14,517 --> 00:25:18,613
And then Rob drove the ambulance to
Iverson Hospital's emergency room.
384
00:25:18,855 --> 00:25:23,849
Once we saw Matthew, it was obvious
that his care was beyond our capabilities.
385
00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:27,762
Phoned the neurosurgeon
over at Poudre Valley...
386
00:25:28,865 --> 00:25:33,529
...and Matthew was on his way
in an hour and 15 minutes, I think.
387
00:25:34,604 --> 00:25:38,062
A couple of days later,
they showed me a picture of Matthew.
388
00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:42,610
I would have never recognized him.
389
00:25:45,682 --> 00:25:47,843
Said defendants left the victim...
390
00:25:48,318 --> 00:25:51,845
...tied to the fence, begging for his life.
391
00:25:55,091 --> 00:25:57,753
You'd like to think
it was somebody from out of town...
392
00:25:57,827 --> 00:26:00,387
...that's come through
and beaten up somebody.
393
00:26:00,997 --> 00:26:04,160
But when you're seeing someone
who's been beaten...
394
00:26:04,467 --> 00:26:07,561
...repeatedly by someone
in our own town...
395
00:26:07,904 --> 00:26:10,031
...now that certainly offends us.
396
00:26:10,573 --> 00:26:12,234
And that's a good word.
397
00:26:12,508 --> 00:26:14,169
It offends us.
398
00:26:15,378 --> 00:26:19,178
The defendants will remain in the custody
of the County Sheriff's Department...
399
00:26:19,249 --> 00:26:21,683
...until dates can be set for their trials.
400
00:26:43,072 --> 00:26:44,471
It was huge.
401
00:26:44,607 --> 00:26:47,576
It was herds,
and we are talking hundreds of reporters...
402
00:26:47,644 --> 00:26:50,408
...which makes a huge dent
in this town's population.
403
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,347
Laramie, Wyoming,
often called "the gem city of the plains"...
404
00:26:53,416 --> 00:26:55,111
...is now at the eye of the storm.
405
00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:58,244
People would like to think
what happened is the exception...
406
00:26:58,321 --> 00:27:02,758
There were reporters everywhere,
news trucks in town, on campus...
407
00:27:02,825 --> 00:27:05,293
...and we are not used to
that type of attention.
408
00:27:05,361 --> 00:27:09,263
Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson
came from the poor side of town.
409
00:27:09,332 --> 00:27:11,300
This small city that bills itself as...
410
00:27:11,367 --> 00:27:15,201
..."Wyoming's hometown" is wrestling
with its attitudes towards gay men.
411
00:27:15,338 --> 00:27:17,499
It's tough business,
as Matt Sheppard Knew...
412
00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:21,202
...and as all his friends Know,
to be gay in cowboy country.
413
00:27:21,577 --> 00:27:25,274
And to get that kind of exposure under
such tragic circumstances...
414
00:27:25,348 --> 00:27:30,342
...under circumstances that we hadn't even
wrapped our heads and hearts around...
415
00:27:31,521 --> 00:27:33,614
The majority of people here
are good people.
416
00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:35,419
You get bad apples once in a while.
417
00:27:35,491 --> 00:27:37,322
Our citizens are not like that at all.
418
00:27:37,393 --> 00:27:40,954
You people are making my son guilty
before he's even had a trial.
419
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:42,224
How can this happen?
420
00:27:42,298 --> 00:27:45,825
I can't understand how someone
can even do something like that.
421
00:27:45,935 --> 00:27:48,301
You have your own lifestyle,
you should have it.
422
00:27:48,371 --> 00:27:51,704
- It's pretty much live-and-let-live.
- It's live-and-let-live.
423
00:27:51,808 --> 00:27:55,869
I am outraged and sickened by the heinous
crime committed on Matthew Sheppard.
424
00:27:55,945 --> 00:28:00,575
A young gay man is in a deep coma.
It's a crime that goes beyond despicable.
425
00:28:00,650 --> 00:28:03,881
let it be known in the nation
this is not the University of Wyoming.
426
00:28:03,953 --> 00:28:05,181
This is not what we're about.
427
00:28:05,254 --> 00:28:08,280
Had this been a heterosexual,
this wouldn't have made the news.
428
00:28:08,358 --> 00:28:11,191
I don't think there's any problem
gay people deal with here.
429
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:15,697
We had these guys in jail in less than
a day. I think that's pretty damn good.
430
00:28:15,765 --> 00:28:19,826
Hundreds of people are urging Congress
to pass a federal law banning hate crimes.
431
00:28:19,902 --> 00:28:23,394
I would like to urge the people
of Wyoming against overreacting...
432
00:28:23,473 --> 00:28:26,306
...in a way that gives one group
special rights over others.
433
00:28:26,376 --> 00:28:29,174
We will wait and see
if the vicious beating and torture...
434
00:28:29,245 --> 00:28:31,679
...of Matthew Sheppard
was motivated by hate.
435
00:28:34,951 --> 00:28:37,078
Oh, my God.
436
00:28:39,622 --> 00:28:41,817
Anybody else wanna do this?
437
00:28:52,168 --> 00:28:57,128
Matthew Sheppard was admitted
in critical condition...
438
00:28:57,373 --> 00:29:00,638
...at approximately (:15 on October 7.
439
00:29:01,544 --> 00:29:06,504
When he arrived, he was unresponsive
and breathing support was being provided.
440
00:29:07,417 --> 00:29:11,319
Matthew's major injuries upon arrival
consisted of hypothermia...
441
00:29:11,387 --> 00:29:15,016
...and of a fracture from behind his head...
442
00:29:15,291 --> 00:29:17,953
...to just in front of the right ear.
443
00:29:19,262 --> 00:29:24,222
This has caused bleeding in the brain,
as well as pressure on the brain.
444
00:29:24,801 --> 00:29:26,564
Friday night the parents arrived...
445
00:29:26,636 --> 00:29:30,538
...and I went and introduced myself
to Dennis and Judy.
446
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:33,900
It was awful. Those poor people.
447
00:29:34,444 --> 00:29:38,710
Matthew's temperature has fluctuated
over the last 24 hours...
448
00:29:38,781 --> 00:29:42,080
...between (8 and 106 degrees.
449
00:29:42,185 --> 00:29:44,983
We arranged a police escort
to bring them up.
450
00:29:45,421 --> 00:29:47,548
We set them up
in one of our conference rooms...
451
00:29:47,623 --> 00:29:50,717
...gave them food around the clock,
gave them a place to stay.
452
00:29:50,993 --> 00:29:53,518
The following is a statement from them.
453
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:56,398
"First of all,
we want to thank the American public...
454
00:29:56,466 --> 00:29:58,866
"... for their kind thoughts about Matthew...
455
00:29:58,935 --> 00:30:01,927
"... and their fond wishes
for his speedy recovery.
456
00:30:02,371 --> 00:30:04,999
"We appreciate your prayers
and good will...
457
00:30:05,107 --> 00:30:06,870
"... and we know that...
458
00:30:07,376 --> 00:30:10,209
"... they are something that Matthew
would appreciate, too. "
459
00:30:10,446 --> 00:30:12,676
I went up and said:
460
00:30:13,616 --> 00:30:17,609
"You all tell me what you want me to do
or what you want me to say...
461
00:30:17,687 --> 00:30:20,986
"... or anything you need,
and we'll provide it for you. "
462
00:30:21,157 --> 00:30:24,649
"We also have a special request
for members of the media.
463
00:30:24,994 --> 00:30:28,760
"We ask that you respect our privacy,
as well as Matthew's...
464
00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:32,589
"... so we can concentrate
all of our efforts, thoughts...
465
00:30:33,369 --> 00:30:35,200
"... and love on our son.
466
00:30:35,771 --> 00:30:37,671
"Thank you very much. "
467
00:30:39,976 --> 00:30:43,104
Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney
have pled not guilty...
468
00:30:43,179 --> 00:30:45,909
...to the charges of Kidnapping,
aggravated robbery...
469
00:30:45,982 --> 00:30:48,143
...and attempted murder in the first degree.
470
00:30:48,217 --> 00:30:50,344
Russell was just so sweet.
471
00:30:50,553 --> 00:30:52,680
He's the one that was the Eagle Scout.
472
00:30:52,755 --> 00:30:57,055
His whole presence was just quiet
and sweet. He was raised a Mormon.
473
00:30:57,126 --> 00:31:00,391
He was active in that when he was
younger, as an elder in the Church.
474
00:31:00,463 --> 00:31:03,990
Of course it doesn't make sense to me.
I know people snap and whatever...
475
00:31:04,066 --> 00:31:08,503
...and like I said, it wasn't a real intimate
relationship. I was just his landlord.
476
00:31:08,738 --> 00:31:10,399
I remember at the Christmas party...
477
00:31:10,473 --> 00:31:14,273
...he was totally drunk out of his mind,
you Know, like we all were.
478
00:31:15,111 --> 00:31:18,774
He wasn't belligerent. He didn't change.
His personality didn't change.
479
00:31:18,848 --> 00:31:22,385
He was still the same little meek Russell.
480
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:23,952
Aaron was a good kid.
481
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:26,113
That's why I was shocked
when I heard this.
482
00:31:26,189 --> 00:31:29,886
He had been living out with his girl.
They just started dating last summer.
483
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,919
They must have gotten pregnant as soon
as they started dating. They had a kid.
484
00:31:33,997 --> 00:31:36,625
21 years old,
but he's running around with a kid.
485
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,130
When I first heard,
I thought it was really awful.
486
00:31:39,202 --> 00:31:42,535
I don't know whether Aaron was fucked up
or coming down or what...
487
00:31:42,606 --> 00:31:44,801
...but Matthew had money.
488
00:31:44,875 --> 00:31:48,811
Shit, he had better clothes than I did.
Matthew was a little rich bitch.
489
00:31:48,879 --> 00:31:51,074
You shouldn't call him that. It's not right.
490
00:31:51,147 --> 00:31:53,342
I'm not saying he's a bad guy,
I'm just saying...
491
00:31:53,416 --> 00:31:56,943
...he's in the wrong place at the
wrong time, he said the wrong thing.
492
00:31:57,020 --> 00:32:00,820
Aaron was always dressing up big,
you know, big clothes...
493
00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:03,819
...Tommy Hilfiger, you know.
494
00:32:03,994 --> 00:32:05,689
Polo, Gucci, I don't know.
495
00:32:06,363 --> 00:32:10,424
It probably pissed him off that Matthew
was gay, because he didn't like...
496
00:32:11,568 --> 00:32:15,470
The gay people I've seen him interact with
or that I've heard him talk about...
497
00:32:15,539 --> 00:32:19,339
...he was fine with
as long as they didn't hit on him...
498
00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:23,238
...or as long as, you Know,
it didn't come up.
499
00:32:24,314 --> 00:32:26,578
When I knew Aaron,
he was just a young kid.
500
00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:30,609
He was trying to fit in, acting tough,
acting cool. But you know what?
501
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:32,913
You could get in his face about it...
502
00:32:32,989 --> 00:32:36,083
...and he would back down
like he was some kind of scared kid.
503
00:32:36,426 --> 00:32:40,624
If I saw Aaron right now, I'd just be like,
"Why did you fuck up like that?"
504
00:32:41,031 --> 00:32:43,022
I wanna shake him, you know?
505
00:32:43,466 --> 00:32:47,129
"What were you thinking?
What in the hell were you thinking?"
506
00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:55,036
Hello?
507
00:32:55,278 --> 00:32:56,506
This is her.
508
00:32:57,147 --> 00:32:58,808
Hi, Doctor.
509
00:32:59,816 --> 00:33:00,942
How is he?
510
00:33:04,821 --> 00:33:06,083
Yes.
511
00:33:08,692 --> 00:33:09,989
I see.
512
00:33:11,494 --> 00:33:13,291
Can you hang on for a moment?
513
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:16,460
Mom, can you hang this up?
I'm gonna take it in there.
514
00:33:20,236 --> 00:33:21,430
I'm here.
515
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:24,534
Yes.
516
00:33:24,608 --> 00:33:26,872
The part I wasn't telling you about before...
517
00:33:28,111 --> 00:33:30,272
...is that Reggie Fluty is my daughter.
518
00:33:32,182 --> 00:33:34,776
When she told me she wanted
to be a police officer...
519
00:33:34,851 --> 00:33:37,183
...I thought there was not
a better choice for her.
520
00:33:37,253 --> 00:33:39,847
She could handle whatever came her way.
521
00:33:41,725 --> 00:33:43,488
And then this happens.
522
00:33:49,165 --> 00:33:50,928
That was the hospital.
523
00:33:54,971 --> 00:33:58,338
Matthew Sheppard is HIV positive, and...
524
00:33:59,576 --> 00:34:01,703
...they said I've been exposed.
525
00:34:02,479 --> 00:34:03,468
What?
526
00:34:08,218 --> 00:34:11,153
They said I've been exposed
to the AIDS virus.
527
00:34:12,822 --> 00:34:16,690
Because I've been building
the lean-tos for the llamas...
528
00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:20,387
...and I have a bunch of open cuts
on my hands, and...
529
00:34:21,698 --> 00:34:24,997
...I got his blood on my hands.
530
00:34:25,535 --> 00:34:27,935
How did you get it on your hands?
531
00:34:28,071 --> 00:34:32,030
We have shit gloves, you know,
and I kept putting them on and...
532
00:34:32,142 --> 00:34:35,077
...you keep putting them on,
and they keep breaking, so...
533
00:34:35,612 --> 00:34:38,172
...finally, I ran out.
534
00:34:38,815 --> 00:34:41,648
You touched him without gloves?
535
00:34:43,386 --> 00:34:45,946
You cannot let
a human being just sit there.
536
00:34:46,022 --> 00:34:47,011
Reggie!
537
00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:49,490
Don't hesitate,
that's what goes through your mind.
538
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,618
Don't hesitate, all the time.
539
00:34:51,695 --> 00:34:55,859
So you just keep on moving,
and you take care of Matthew...
540
00:34:55,932 --> 00:34:59,891
...and you try to find an open airway,
and that's what you do.
541
00:35:01,171 --> 00:35:03,901
Quite frankly,
I wanted to lash out at somebody.
542
00:35:05,709 --> 00:35:10,442
Not Matthew, please understand that.
Not one of us was mad at Matthew.
543
00:35:10,947 --> 00:35:14,405
We maybe wanted to squeeze
McKinney's head off.
544
00:35:14,951 --> 00:35:17,283
And I think about Henderson...
545
00:35:17,687 --> 00:35:20,155
You know, two absolutely...
546
00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:25,593
...human beings caused so much grief
for so many people.
547
00:35:26,096 --> 00:35:29,088
They wanna start me
on these AZT drugs immediately.
548
00:35:29,332 --> 00:35:31,095
If you...
549
00:35:32,435 --> 00:35:34,699
...if you start them within 36 hours...
550
00:35:34,771 --> 00:35:37,968
...maybe that can stop you
from getting the disease.
551
00:35:39,042 --> 00:35:41,510
This has been just terrible
for my whole family...
552
00:35:41,578 --> 00:35:44,069
...but mostly for her and her kids.
553
00:35:44,414 --> 00:35:47,406
Those drugs, the AZT drugs.
554
00:35:48,985 --> 00:35:50,680
She throws up every day.
555
00:35:51,087 --> 00:35:54,022
She cries so much,
she's afraid to touch her Kids.
556
00:35:55,692 --> 00:35:58,024
I just hope she doesn't go before me.
557
00:36:22,485 --> 00:36:25,181
No matter how you dice it,
I did have the opportunity.
558
00:36:26,456 --> 00:36:29,220
If I had had amazing 20-20 hindsight...
559
00:36:29,292 --> 00:36:34,286
...I had the opportunity to stop what
occurred that night. I could have.
560
00:36:34,531 --> 00:36:37,523
I should have Known these guys
shouldn't be talking to him.
561
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,158
I shouldn't have had my head down...
562
00:36:39,235 --> 00:36:41,533
...while I was washing dishes
for those 20 seconds.
563
00:36:41,604 --> 00:36:45,370
All those little things I could've done,
and I could've stopped this.
564
00:36:46,643 --> 00:36:48,543
So what the hell was I thinking?
565
00:36:53,116 --> 00:36:55,778
And I Keep seeing that picture in my head...
566
00:36:55,852 --> 00:36:57,717
...of when I found him.
567
00:36:58,488 --> 00:37:00,888
And it is not pleasant whatsoever.
568
00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:03,949
I wanna get it out. I don't want it in there.
569
00:37:05,995 --> 00:37:09,431
That's a big part of it for me,
having to see that picture...
570
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:15,360
...in my head. I just don't want it in there.
571
00:37:18,174 --> 00:37:21,371
Matthew Sheppard�s
the first gay person I ever saw.
572
00:37:22,245 --> 00:37:26,545
It's Kind of unbelievable to me that
I was the person that found him...
573
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:30,285
...because the big question
with my religion is:
574
00:37:31,955 --> 00:37:34,082
Why did God want me to find him?
575
00:37:35,191 --> 00:37:39,059
"Let your light shine
576
00:37:39,429 --> 00:37:42,762
"In the darkness
577
00:37:43,132 --> 00:37:47,569
"Before the dawn
578
00:37:47,937 --> 00:37:51,873
"No more sorrow
579
00:37:52,242 --> 00:37:56,542
"In the nighttime
580
00:37:56,613 --> 00:37:59,514
"let it shine
581
00:37:59,582 --> 00:38:03,609
"Oh, lord, let it shine"
582
00:38:03,686 --> 00:38:06,780
Candlelight vigils were held
around the country last night.
583
00:38:08,925 --> 00:38:11,723
Denver, Fort Collins, Detroit, Chicago...
584
00:38:11,794 --> 00:38:14,058
...Washington DC, Atlanta...
585
00:38:17,133 --> 00:38:19,693
All expressing hopes for
Matthew's full recovery.
586
00:38:19,769 --> 00:38:21,532
I can't stop crying.
587
00:38:21,571 --> 00:38:24,264
This is what I was trying to stop.
588
00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:28,801
We must do more to deal...
589
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:31,805
...with violent bigotry, hate crimes...
590
00:38:32,073 --> 00:38:36,601
I hope that in the grief of this moment
and in the shared outrage across America...
591
00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:40,312
...Americans will once again
search their hearts...
592
00:38:40,982 --> 00:38:44,645
...and do what they can to reduce
their own fear and anxiety...
593
00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:48,155
...and anger at people who are different.
594
00:38:48,657 --> 00:38:52,855
And I hope that Congress will pass
the hate crimes legislation.
595
00:39:08,176 --> 00:39:11,543
I think the gay community
is taking this as an advantage:
596
00:39:11,713 --> 00:39:14,546
"This is a good time for us to exploit this. "
597
00:39:14,616 --> 00:39:17,642
They made it sound like
it was ten murders instead of one.
598
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,849
They're accusing the ranchers of being
unreasonable and unsympathetic...
599
00:39:21,923 --> 00:39:23,356
...because of how he was-
600
00:39:23,425 --> 00:39:25,120
And what his persuasions were.
601
00:39:25,193 --> 00:39:28,128
Well, he would certainly
be welcome in our home.
602
00:39:28,596 --> 00:39:31,497
We'd visit, sit down, have a cup of coffee.
603
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,767
What did you think when you heard
two boys from your town did this?
604
00:39:35,837 --> 00:39:38,397
I certainly don't approve of homosexuals...
605
00:39:38,974 --> 00:39:42,569
...but I don't think anybody has a right
to do what those two boys did.
606
00:39:42,644 --> 00:39:46,045
Where do you think that comes from,
their hatred towards homosexuals?
607
00:39:46,247 --> 00:39:50,707
I think what most people fear
in the gay community...
608
00:39:50,785 --> 00:39:53,515
...is that sexuality is
their number one concern.
609
00:39:53,588 --> 00:39:55,180
Not many people condone it-
610
00:39:55,256 --> 00:39:57,952
When you wear it on your sleeve
like a banner...
611
00:39:58,259 --> 00:40:02,127
There's this whole idea,
"You leave me alone, I leave you alone. "
612
00:40:02,197 --> 00:40:05,598
It's even in some of the western literature.
"live and let live. "
613
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,294
That is such crap.
Basically, what it boils down to...
614
00:40:10,372 --> 00:40:14,468
...if I don't tell you I'm a fag,
you won't beat the crap out of me.
615
00:40:15,043 --> 00:40:16,670
What's so great about that?
616
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:19,442
That's a great philosophy?
617
00:40:19,981 --> 00:40:22,814
I'll sit in church and the reverend
will tell you flat out...
618
00:40:22,884 --> 00:40:25,352
...he does not agree
with homosexuality, right?
619
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:28,082
I don't feel like I know enough
about certain things...
620
00:40:28,156 --> 00:40:30,989
...just to be able to say
that homosexuality is right...
621
00:40:31,059 --> 00:40:34,756
...when I've been raised my whole life
that homosexuality is wrong.
622
00:40:34,829 --> 00:40:37,354
My parents brought me up Catholic.
623
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,160
I was brought up
to love the sinner, hate the sin.
624
00:40:41,836 --> 00:40:44,327
love the person for who they are,
but condemn them...
625
00:40:44,406 --> 00:40:46,840
...for what they do. Condemn the lifestyle.
626
00:40:46,908 --> 00:40:49,035
I would have to say now
I don't agree with it.
627
00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:52,443
I don't agree, and maybe that's just
because I couldn't do it...
628
00:40:53,181 --> 00:40:55,411
...but I don't hate them,
I won't persecute them.
629
00:40:55,483 --> 00:40:58,884
I'm not gonna let this get in between
me and the other person at all...
630
00:40:58,953 --> 00:41:00,614
...or in between you and I.
631
00:41:00,688 --> 00:41:02,280
Not at all.
632
00:41:02,857 --> 00:41:06,190
It's preached in schools
that being gay is okay.
633
00:41:07,495 --> 00:41:10,760
If my kids asked me,
I'd set them down and I'd tell them:
634
00:41:10,832 --> 00:41:13,027
"This is what gay people do. "
635
00:41:13,435 --> 00:41:15,596
"This is what animals do, okay?"
636
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:20,198
I'd tell them, "This is the life.
This is the lifestyle. This is what they do. "
637
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:24,601
And I'd say,
"This is why I believe it's wrong. "
638
00:41:24,779 --> 00:41:27,543
Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!
639
00:41:33,088 --> 00:41:37,320
In New York, the protests for
Matthew Sheppard turned into a near riot.
640
00:41:37,392 --> 00:41:40,156
Police on horses were pushing
into the crowds.
641
00:41:50,271 --> 00:41:52,569
The whole world is watching!
642
00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:03,547
As of (:00 a. m. today, Matthew Sheppard
remains in critical condition...
643
00:42:03,618 --> 00:42:07,577
...with severe head injuries in the
surgical neuron intensive care unit.
644
00:42:09,491 --> 00:42:13,757
As I told you before,
it's not a lifestyle with which I agree.
645
00:42:14,462 --> 00:42:15,986
You still feel that way?
646
00:42:16,831 --> 00:42:17,855
Yes.
647
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,262
The family continues to emphasize...
648
00:42:21,803 --> 00:42:24,465
...that the media respect their privacy.
649
00:42:24,539 --> 00:42:27,838
The family also wants to thank
the American public...
650
00:42:27,976 --> 00:42:31,844
...for their concern
and kind thoughts for Matthew.
651
00:42:31,913 --> 00:42:34,040
We went to the candle vigil and...
652
00:42:34,315 --> 00:42:37,614
...it was so good to be with people
who felt like shit.
653
00:42:37,952 --> 00:42:41,285
I Kept feeling like
I don't deserve to feel this bad.
654
00:42:41,823 --> 00:42:43,620
Somebody got up and said, "Come on...
655
00:42:43,691 --> 00:42:47,092
"... let's show the world that Laramie
is not this kind of a town. "
656
00:42:47,162 --> 00:42:49,130
But it is this kind of a town.
657
00:42:49,931 --> 00:42:52,297
If it wasn't, then why did this happen here?
658
00:42:52,367 --> 00:42:55,495
I mean, that's a lie,
because it happened here.
659
00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:58,835
So how could it not be a town
where this Kind of thing happens?
660
00:42:58,907 --> 00:43:00,772
How can you even say that?
661
00:43:01,142 --> 00:43:05,738
We have to mourn this, and
we have to be sad, but we live in a town...
662
00:43:06,314 --> 00:43:09,647
...a state, a country
where shit like this happens.
663
00:43:10,051 --> 00:43:12,884
People are trying to distance
themselves from this crime...
664
00:43:12,954 --> 00:43:16,788
...and we need to own this crime, I feel.
Everyone needs to own it.
665
00:43:17,625 --> 00:43:19,149
We are like this.
666
00:43:20,261 --> 00:43:23,788
We are like this. We are like this.
667
00:43:24,699 --> 00:43:28,032
Not having to deal that much with
the gay community here in Laramie...
668
00:43:28,102 --> 00:43:31,230
...once we started working
into the case and actually...
669
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,871
...talking to people that were gay, realizing
what their underlying fears were...
670
00:43:36,244 --> 00:43:38,576
...that's when it sort of hit home.
671
00:43:39,447 --> 00:43:40,971
This is America.
672
00:43:41,249 --> 00:43:43,410
You don't have the right to feel that fear.
673
00:43:43,484 --> 00:43:46,146
Do you think a lot of people
in Laramie feel the same way?
674
00:43:46,221 --> 00:43:49,588
We're always gonna have people
that hold up the old ideals...
675
00:43:49,824 --> 00:43:52,486
...and I was probably one of them
14 months ago.
676
00:43:52,994 --> 00:43:55,929
But I'm not gonna put up with it anymore
or listen to it.
677
00:43:55,997 --> 00:43:59,694
And if they don't like my views on it, fine.
The door goes both ways.
678
00:44:00,435 --> 00:44:03,802
I've already lost a couple of buddies,
but I don't care.
679
00:44:05,473 --> 00:44:07,338
I feel more comfortable...
680
00:44:08,042 --> 00:44:09,839
...and I can sleep at night now.
681
00:44:11,579 --> 00:44:15,447
- I really wanna thank you for having us.
- Sure, it's our pleasure.
682
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:18,844
These gatherings,
this is a recent thing for us.
683
00:44:19,287 --> 00:44:21,653
This really only happened since Matthew.
684
00:44:21,723 --> 00:44:24,055
And there's a relief
in that we finally connected.
685
00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,958
It's nice to see
there are a lot of us in Laramie.
686
00:44:28,263 --> 00:44:30,197
Is everybody in the company gay?
687
00:44:30,265 --> 00:44:32,130
No, just the three of us.
688
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,259
- Are you out?
- Yes.
689
00:44:34,936 --> 00:44:37,598
I wasn't out before, actually.
690
00:44:37,705 --> 00:44:42,404
But I thought, "Probably they all know,
but I'm not gonna tell anyone. "
691
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:45,907
In the long run,
your self-esteem just becomes shit...
692
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,742
...and I just couldn't live like that anymore.
693
00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:51,785
A lot of people decided that
they didn't wanna hide anymore.
694
00:44:51,853 --> 00:44:56,381
I still don't feel that free to be out here.
No one's asking, I'm not telling.
695
00:44:56,624 --> 00:45:00,560
I've always been out and I know
how to take care of myself, but...
696
00:45:00,962 --> 00:45:03,726
...since the episode,
I've been irrationally terrified...
697
00:45:03,798 --> 00:45:07,825
...and what that means is, we don't let
our son walk around at night alone.
698
00:45:07,902 --> 00:45:11,702
Every time I see a pickup truck do a U-turn,
I think it's coming after me...
699
00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:14,799
...and I'm shaking so badly,
I have to stop what I'm doing.
700
00:45:14,876 --> 00:45:16,741
I think it's because...
701
00:45:16,844 --> 00:45:20,371
...somewhere inside,
we all know it could happen to us anytime.
702
00:45:30,062 --> 00:45:32,030
Since our last medical update...
703
00:45:32,131 --> 00:45:36,830
...Matthew Sheppard has remained in
critical condition with severe head injuries.
704
00:45:36,902 --> 00:45:40,269
As of today,
the hospital will no longer offer...
705
00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:43,001
...medical updates on a scheduled basis.
706
00:45:43,075 --> 00:45:46,636
If Matthew's medical condition changes...
707
00:45:46,712 --> 00:45:49,112
...we will issue a new medical update...
708
00:45:49,181 --> 00:45:54,141
...and we will immediately contact as many
members of the media as is possible.
709
00:45:54,386 --> 00:45:55,648
Thank you.
710
00:45:58,724 --> 00:46:02,990
All eyes are on Laramie, Wyoming, today,
where many are turning their focus...
711
00:46:03,128 --> 00:46:04,891
...to their homecoming parade...
712
00:46:04,964 --> 00:46:08,866
...and the fortunes of the University
of Wyoming football team.
713
00:46:28,354 --> 00:46:31,721
This apartment has windows
on two opposite streets.
714
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:34,281
One goes north and the other goes south.
715
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,818
That is exactly
the homecoming parade route.
716
00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:44,161
On the day of the parade,
I had a cast on my leg because of a fall...
717
00:46:44,236 --> 00:46:48,935
...and I was very disappointed because
I had heard that some students...
718
00:46:49,408 --> 00:46:52,241
...were gonna be walking
for Matthew Sheppard...
719
00:46:52,611 --> 00:46:56,843
...and I wanted to join them, but I couldn't,
so I watched from that window.
720
00:46:57,082 --> 00:46:58,310
It was just...
721
00:46:59,718 --> 00:47:02,881
I'm 52 years old and I'm...
722
00:47:03,889 --> 00:47:05,220
I'm gay.
723
00:47:06,325 --> 00:47:10,421
I've lived here for many years
and I've seen a lot.
724
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:15,433
And I was very moved
when I saw the tag...
725
00:47:15,567 --> 00:47:18,764
...at the end of the homecoming parade.
726
00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:30,682
It was just a group of people walking
behind a banner for Matthew Sheppard.
727
00:47:39,658 --> 00:47:43,754
But the parade,
it went down to the end of the block...
728
00:47:44,029 --> 00:47:46,156
...made a U-turn around the block...
729
00:47:46,231 --> 00:47:48,529
...and I came to the other side
of my apartment...
730
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,125
...to watch for it to come south
down this street.
731
00:47:53,005 --> 00:47:55,906
Maybe 10 minutes went by.
732
00:47:59,845 --> 00:48:02,541
And then I saw the most...
733
00:48:03,282 --> 00:48:05,113
...incredible thing.
734
00:48:08,354 --> 00:48:10,288
As the parade came down the street...
735
00:48:10,356 --> 00:48:13,382
...the number of people marching
for Matthew Sheppard...
736
00:48:13,459 --> 00:48:16,360
...had grown, like, five times.
737
00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:18,853
Can you imagine?
738
00:48:19,331 --> 00:48:21,094
The tag at the end...
739
00:48:21,667 --> 00:48:24,192
...was bigger than the entire parade.
740
00:48:36,682 --> 00:48:38,377
I thought to myself:
741
00:48:39,284 --> 00:48:42,685
"Thank God I got to see this
in my lifetime. "
742
00:48:44,723 --> 00:48:46,816
And my second thought was:
743
00:48:48,827 --> 00:48:50,818
"Thank you, Matthew. "
744
00:49:00,606 --> 00:49:03,598
I really haven't been
all that involved, per se.
745
00:49:04,676 --> 00:49:09,340
My husband's a highway patrolman.
That's the only way I've known about it.
746
00:49:09,915 --> 00:49:12,213
But when I first found out...
747
00:49:12,351 --> 00:49:14,478
...I just thought it was horrible.
748
00:49:15,754 --> 00:49:16,778
I just...
749
00:49:18,557 --> 00:49:19,888
I can't...
750
00:49:20,526 --> 00:49:22,289
Nobody deserves that.
751
00:49:24,096 --> 00:49:25,757
I don't care who you are.
752
00:49:26,398 --> 00:49:30,357
But I have to tell you,
the media's portraying him as a saint.
753
00:49:31,303 --> 00:49:34,466
They're making him out as a martyr,
and I don't think he was.
754
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:36,400
Did you know him?
755
00:49:36,842 --> 00:49:39,174
No, I didn't know him...
756
00:49:39,478 --> 00:49:42,379
...but there's so many things...
757
00:49:42,448 --> 00:49:45,508
...I found about him, it's just scary.
758
00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:50,313
About his character, and...
759
00:49:50,956 --> 00:49:54,084
...spreading AIDS, and a few other things.
760
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:56,291
You know, being...
761
00:49:56,962 --> 00:49:58,987
About the kind of person he was.
762
00:49:59,298 --> 00:50:00,492
Meaning?
763
00:50:02,267 --> 00:50:03,461
Well...
764
00:50:04,136 --> 00:50:05,569
He was...
765
00:50:06,271 --> 00:50:07,898
He was just...
766
00:50:10,676 --> 00:50:12,200
...a barfly.
767
00:50:13,078 --> 00:50:15,012
So, I think he...
768
00:50:15,247 --> 00:50:19,809
...pushed himself on, around or,
I don't know. But I think he flaunted it.
769
00:50:21,553 --> 00:50:23,384
Another thing that wasn't brought out.
770
00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:26,982
Same time that happened, that patrolman
was killed and there was nothing.
771
00:50:27,326 --> 00:50:30,352
They didn't say anything
about that old man that killed him.
772
00:50:30,429 --> 00:50:32,021
He was driving down the road.
773
00:50:32,097 --> 00:50:34,292
He shouldn't have been driving
and he killed him.
774
00:50:34,366 --> 00:50:36,266
And there was just a little piece.
775
00:50:37,269 --> 00:50:39,294
And we lost one of our guys.
776
00:50:40,105 --> 00:50:43,097
You know, my husband worked with him.
777
00:50:43,642 --> 00:50:46,202
This man was brand new on the force.
778
00:50:46,879 --> 00:50:49,245
But, I mean, here's one of ours...
779
00:50:49,882 --> 00:50:52,578
...and it was just a little piece in the paper.
780
00:50:53,152 --> 00:50:56,315
But this was such a deliberate crime.
781
00:50:59,558 --> 00:51:01,321
Everybody's got problems.
782
00:51:03,128 --> 00:51:06,689
But why they're exemplifying
Matthew Sheppard, I don't know.
783
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:11,263
A hate crime is a hate crime.
You murder somebody, you hate them.
784
00:51:11,336 --> 00:51:15,670
It has nothing to do if you're a gay
or a prostitute or...
785
00:51:15,874 --> 00:51:17,205
I don't know.
786
00:51:21,046 --> 00:51:22,536
I don't understand.
787
00:51:25,918 --> 00:51:27,317
I don't understand.
788
00:51:36,628 --> 00:51:41,429
November 29, 1998. We're about
to interview Father Roger Schmitt.
789
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,092
Here we go.
Two queers and a Catholic priest.
790
00:51:46,438 --> 00:51:48,099
Matthew Sheppard...
791
00:51:49,208 --> 00:51:51,073
...has served us well.
792
00:51:52,644 --> 00:51:55,169
You realize that? He has served us well.
793
00:51:55,948 --> 00:51:57,745
I cannot mention anyone...
794
00:51:57,816 --> 00:52:01,217
...who has done more for this community
than Matthew Sheppard.
795
00:52:02,287 --> 00:52:07,281
And I'm not gonna sit here and say,
"I was just this bold guy, no fear. "
796
00:52:07,793 --> 00:52:09,556
I was scared.
797
00:52:10,329 --> 00:52:13,492
I was very vocal in this community
when this happened...
798
00:52:13,565 --> 00:52:17,194
...so I thought,
"Should we call the Bishop...
799
00:52:17,669 --> 00:52:20,638
"... and ask him permission to do the vigil?"
800
00:52:20,739 --> 00:52:22,070
And I was like:
801
00:52:23,375 --> 00:52:26,538
"Hell, no, I'm not going to do that.
802
00:52:26,612 --> 00:52:29,581
"His permission doesn't make it correct. "
803
00:52:29,781 --> 00:52:31,578
And I'm not knocking bishops...
804
00:52:31,984 --> 00:52:34,714
...but what is correct is correct.
805
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,404
You think violence is
what they did to Matthew?
806
00:52:40,038 --> 00:52:42,404
They did do violence to Matthew.
807
00:52:42,908 --> 00:52:44,307
But, you know...
808
00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:47,269
Can I make this personae?
809
00:52:47,379 --> 00:52:48,869
Yeah. Sure.
810
00:52:49,248 --> 00:52:53,116
Every time you are called a fag...
811
00:52:54,086 --> 00:52:57,317
...or you are called a lez or...
812
00:52:57,389 --> 00:53:00,620
- Or a dyke.
- Dyke, yeah, dyke.
813
00:53:01,393 --> 00:53:05,454
Do you realize that is violence?
That is the seed of violence.
814
00:53:05,531 --> 00:53:10,491
I would resent it immensely
if you use anything I said to...
815
00:53:10,969 --> 00:53:14,268
...somehow cultivate that kind of violence.
816
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,468
Well, thank you, Father, for saying that.
817
00:53:17,543 --> 00:53:20,444
Just deal with what is true.
818
00:53:20,579 --> 00:53:23,275
You know what is true.
819
00:53:25,717 --> 00:53:29,278
You need to do your best to say it correct.
820
00:53:31,657 --> 00:53:35,115
These people trust us, you know.
They want...
821
00:53:36,094 --> 00:53:39,621
They want everyone to know
that they are not this crime.
822
00:53:43,201 --> 00:53:47,900
And it's more than clearing Laramie's
name, it's clearing their own, and...
823
00:53:48,574 --> 00:53:50,701
...I don't know that we can do that.
824
00:53:59,284 --> 00:54:00,410
Reverend?
825
00:54:00,485 --> 00:54:02,009
- Reverend, hi.
- Yes?
826
00:54:02,087 --> 00:54:04,214
I'm Amanda.
I'm with the theatre company...
827
00:54:04,289 --> 00:54:06,655
...that's been speaking with people
here in Laramie.
828
00:54:06,725 --> 00:54:10,024
I see. Well, let me tell you...
829
00:54:11,096 --> 00:54:15,624
...I don't know that I really want to talk
with anybody at all about this incident.
830
00:54:15,701 --> 00:54:20,263
I'm somewhat involved,
and I really don't feel like it's appropriate.
831
00:54:20,505 --> 00:54:24,498
I completely understand. I just wanted
to tell you, I went to your service.
832
00:54:24,576 --> 00:54:26,441
- You went to the services?
- Yes, I did.
833
00:54:26,511 --> 00:54:28,103
- On Sunday?
- Yes.
834
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:30,375
- Did I meet you?
- Briefly.
835
00:54:30,649 --> 00:54:32,344
You welcomed us in the beginning.
836
00:54:33,085 --> 00:54:34,347
I see.
837
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,346
I will tell you that I am involved.
838
00:54:39,057 --> 00:54:40,854
Half the people in the case...
839
00:54:40,959 --> 00:54:44,759
The girlfriend of the accused
is a member of our congregation...
840
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:46,798
...and one of the accused has visited.
841
00:54:46,999 --> 00:54:48,057
Right.
842
00:54:48,133 --> 00:54:50,328
I think they deserve the death penalty...
843
00:54:50,402 --> 00:54:54,338
...but I will try
to deal with them spiritually.
844
00:54:55,874 --> 00:54:57,774
As far as the victim...
845
00:54:59,711 --> 00:55:04,273
...I know that that lifestyle is legal,
but I will tell you one thing.
846
00:55:04,349 --> 00:55:06,874
I hope Matthew Sheppard...
847
00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:10,284
...as he was tied to that fence...
848
00:55:10,856 --> 00:55:14,849
...that he had time to reflect
on a moment when...
849
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,524
...somebody had spoken
the Word of the lord to him...
850
00:55:20,999 --> 00:55:24,025
...and that before he slipped into a coma...
851
00:55:24,269 --> 00:55:28,365
...he had a chance to reflect on his lifestyle.
852
00:55:33,979 --> 00:55:37,346
Thank you, Reverend,
I appreciate your speaking with me.
853
00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:39,611
All right. We better go.
854
00:55:49,561 --> 00:55:52,621
I let him say that to me.
855
00:55:52,764 --> 00:55:56,291
I let him say that to me,
and I didn't say anything back.
856
00:56:22,627 --> 00:56:26,654
At midnight, on Monday, October 12...
857
00:56:27,132 --> 00:56:30,829
...Matthew Sheppard�s blood pressure
began to drop.
858
00:56:31,303 --> 00:56:36,263
We immediately notified the family,
who were already at the hospital.
859
00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:40,608
At 12:53 a. m...
860
00:56:41,113 --> 00:56:43,081
...Matthew Sheppard died.
861
00:56:45,183 --> 00:56:47,481
His family was at his bedside.
862
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,717
The family did release
the following statement.
863
00:56:52,324 --> 00:56:57,023
They again asked me to express
their sincerest gratitude...
864
00:56:58,096 --> 00:56:59,688
...to the entire world...
865
00:56:59,765 --> 00:57:03,633
...for the overwhelming response
to their son.
866
00:57:05,103 --> 00:57:09,062
The family was grateful
that they did not have to...
867
00:57:09,141 --> 00:57:14,044
...make a decision regarding whether or
not to continue life support for their son.
868
00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:19,249
"like a good son,
he was caring to the end...
869
00:57:19,484 --> 00:57:22,351
"... and removed guilt or stress
from the family.
870
00:57:23,789 --> 00:57:26,155
"He came into the world premature...
871
00:57:26,458 --> 00:57:28,926
"... and left the world premature.
872
00:57:30,395 --> 00:57:32,454
"Matthew's mother said:
873
00:57:35,734 --> 00:57:36,962
"'Go... "'
874
00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:51,180
We'd been up for 72 hours straight...
875
00:57:51,249 --> 00:57:54,218
...and had gone home
and gone to sleep for half an hour...
876
00:57:54,286 --> 00:57:57,949
...and get up and come,
maybe I was just way...
877
00:57:58,323 --> 00:57:59,585
I don't Know.
878
00:58:00,659 --> 00:58:04,993
While I was reading that statement,
I thought about my own four daughters.
879
00:58:05,497 --> 00:58:08,022
She doesn't have her Kid anymore.
880
00:58:11,102 --> 00:58:12,467
"'Go home...
881
00:58:13,772 --> 00:58:15,603
"'... give your kids a hug...
882
00:58:19,811 --> 00:58:23,907
"'... and don't let a day go by
without telling them that you love them. "'
883
00:58:25,784 --> 00:58:30,687
And then we started getting people
sending us all these E-mails and letters.
884
00:58:30,822 --> 00:58:35,691
"Do you cry like a baby on TV
for all your patients, or just the faggots?"
885
00:58:36,862 --> 00:58:38,124
Jesus.
886
00:58:39,064 --> 00:58:41,862
After being thrown into this...
887
00:58:41,933 --> 00:58:46,597
...I guess I didn't understand the magnitude
with which some people hate.
888
00:58:48,139 --> 00:58:51,734
And of all the letters we got,
there were two or three like that.
889
00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:53,869
Most were:
890
00:58:53,979 --> 00:58:58,313
"Thanks for your caring and compassion. "
891
00:58:58,650 --> 00:59:00,174
And Matthew...
892
00:59:03,355 --> 00:59:06,722
Matthew got caring and compassion...
893
00:59:06,791 --> 00:59:09,191
...from the moment he got here.
894
00:59:16,801 --> 00:59:20,202
The charges against Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney...
895
00:59:20,272 --> 00:59:25,073
...were upgraded to first-degree murder
after Matthew Sheppard died on Monday.
896
00:59:25,143 --> 00:59:29,011
If convicted,
the two men could face the death penalty.
897
00:59:30,115 --> 00:59:31,582
I'll tell you what.
898
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:33,941
If they put those two boys to death...
899
00:59:34,019 --> 00:59:37,386
...it would defeat everything
that Matt would be thinking about them.
900
00:59:37,455 --> 00:59:40,015
Because he would not want
those two to die.
901
00:59:40,091 --> 00:59:43,652
He'd wanna leave them with hope.
H- O-P-E.
902
00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:46,660
Just like the whole world hoped...
903
00:59:46,731 --> 00:59:48,562
...that Matt would survive, right?
904
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,939
This whole thing, you see what I'm saying,
this whole thing ropes around hope.
905
00:59:53,015 --> 00:59:54,949
H- O-P-E.
906
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:14,134
On the day of the funeral,
it was snowing and raining so bad.
907
01:00:14,202 --> 01:00:17,296
By the time I got there,
there were already thousands of people.
908
01:00:17,372 --> 01:00:19,772
Dressed in black. Umbrellas everywhere.
909
01:00:20,108 --> 01:00:24,272
They had two churches set up and still
there were hundreds of people outside...
910
01:00:24,346 --> 01:00:25,973
...who couldn't fit inside.
911
01:00:26,048 --> 01:00:29,381
They had this park set up,
and the park was full.
912
01:00:36,525 --> 01:00:40,621
"Thou shall not lie down
with mankind as with womankind.
913
01:00:40,696 --> 01:00:45,656
"It is abomination. " Matthew Sheppard
lived his life breaking that commandment!
914
01:00:45,834 --> 01:00:49,099
If he repented in his dying hours,
we hope he did, if not...
915
01:00:49,171 --> 01:00:53,039
...he is in Hell along with those killers.
Do you believe in the Bible?
916
01:00:53,108 --> 01:00:56,339
You believe you're supposed to
separate the precious from the vile?
917
01:00:56,411 --> 01:01:00,575
You don't believe that part of the Bible.
You stand there, ignorant of the fact...
918
01:01:08,090 --> 01:01:11,355
After seeing Phelps
protesting at Matthew's funeral...
919
01:01:11,426 --> 01:01:15,556
...and then hearing that he's coming back
to Laramie for Russell Henderson's trial...
920
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:19,396
...I decided that someone needs to stand
toe-to-toe and show the difference.
921
01:01:19,468 --> 01:01:23,097
Some people are gonna be sent to Hell!
922
01:01:23,405 --> 01:01:25,805
And I think you know who you are!
923
01:01:26,942 --> 01:01:31,902
Nobody wouldn't be here if this was just
a murder that the state was gonna handle.
924
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:35,006
The state handles hundreds of murders.
925
01:01:35,083 --> 01:01:39,349
This murder is different
because the gays...
926
01:01:39,421 --> 01:01:41,252
He's not even from Laramie.
927
01:01:41,323 --> 01:01:45,054
He just travels around the country
doing these demonstrations.
928
01:01:51,433 --> 01:01:55,893
So we're planning an event.
We're calling it "Angel Action. "
929
01:01:56,505 --> 01:02:00,032
This 21-year-old little lesbian
is gonna walk the line with him.
930
01:02:03,378 --> 01:02:04,845
Fear not!
931
01:02:05,047 --> 01:02:07,982
You lift up your voice like a trumpet...
932
01:02:09,151 --> 01:02:13,110
...and you show my people
their transgressions!
933
01:02:13,188 --> 01:02:15,520
We are sending the message of God!
934
01:02:15,757 --> 01:02:17,918
God's anger is pure.
935
01:02:17,993 --> 01:02:21,656
And God is gonna send someone to Hell!
936
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:24,562
That's God's anger!
937
01:02:25,133 --> 01:02:27,328
Now, we wouldn't be here...
938
01:02:40,282 --> 01:02:45,185
Do you want your sons and daughters
to be taught by faggots...
939
01:02:45,253 --> 01:02:46,982
...in your schools?
940
01:02:47,055 --> 01:02:48,886
We're not gonna let that happen!
941
01:03:11,012 --> 01:03:13,378
As soon as they started jury selection...
942
01:03:13,448 --> 01:03:15,814
...everyone was coming into my shop with:
943
01:03:15,884 --> 01:03:19,615
"I don't wanna be on this trial.
I hope they don't call me," or:
944
01:03:19,955 --> 01:03:22,856
"Oh, my God, I got called.
How do I get off?"
945
01:03:23,191 --> 01:03:27,150
Just wanting to get as far away
from it as they could.
946
01:03:27,496 --> 01:03:31,830
Very fearful that they were
gonna have to be part of that jury.
947
01:03:33,268 --> 01:03:37,261
Then I heard
Henderson had to sit in the courtroom...
948
01:03:37,772 --> 01:03:40,366
...while they questioned prospective jurors.
949
01:03:41,009 --> 01:03:43,409
And one of the questions they asked was:
950
01:03:43,478 --> 01:03:45,946
"Would you be willing...
951
01:03:46,014 --> 01:03:48,574
"... to put this person to death?"
952
01:03:49,651 --> 01:03:52,085
And I understand a lot
of the comments were:
953
01:03:52,721 --> 01:03:54,211
"Yes, I would. "
954
01:03:54,623 --> 01:03:56,147
"Absolutely. "
955
01:03:56,858 --> 01:03:58,519
"Yep, no problem. "
956
01:04:00,462 --> 01:04:02,589
Can you imagine hearing that?
957
01:04:03,465 --> 01:04:06,161
Juror after juror...
958
01:04:06,635 --> 01:04:08,364
...after juror.
959
01:04:10,472 --> 01:04:13,600
These are people that he Knows.
960
01:04:16,178 --> 01:04:18,544
No wonder he changed his plea.
961
01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:22,040
You entered a not guilty plea earlier,
Mr. Henderson.
962
01:04:22,384 --> 01:04:25,114
But I understand you wish to change
your plea today?
963
01:04:25,187 --> 01:04:26,381
Yes, sir.
964
01:04:26,454 --> 01:04:31,084
Do you understand that the recommended
sentence here is two life sentences?
965
01:04:32,661 --> 01:04:33,821
Yes, sir.
966
01:04:33,895 --> 01:04:38,855
And do you understand that those may
run concurrently or consecutively?
967
01:04:40,502 --> 01:04:41,526
Yes, sir.
968
01:04:41,603 --> 01:04:43,400
Before the court makes that decision...
969
01:04:43,471 --> 01:04:47,703
...I understand that there are statements
to be made by at least one individual.
970
01:04:47,842 --> 01:04:49,571
let's proceed with that.
971
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,473
As the grandmother
and the person who raised Russell...
972
01:04:56,685 --> 01:04:58,744
...along with my family...
973
01:04:59,321 --> 01:05:01,551
...we have written the following statement.
974
01:05:02,524 --> 01:05:07,484
"Our hearts ache for the pain and suffering
that the Sheppard�s have went through.
975
01:05:08,063 --> 01:05:11,726
"We have prayed for your family
since the very beginning.
976
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,203
"Many times throughout the day,
I have thought about Matt.
977
01:05:16,571 --> 01:05:19,836
"You will continue to be in our thoughts
and prayers...
978
01:05:19,908 --> 01:05:23,275
"... as we know that your pain
will never go away.
979
01:05:23,812 --> 01:05:26,940
"You have showed such mercy
and we are so grateful...
980
01:05:27,015 --> 01:05:30,416
"... that you are giving us
all the opportunity to live.
981
01:05:31,586 --> 01:05:32,917
"Your Honor...
982
01:05:32,988 --> 01:05:35,752
"... we, as a family...
983
01:05:36,157 --> 01:05:39,058
"... hope that as you sentence Russell...
984
01:05:39,694 --> 01:05:42,424
"... that you will do it concurrently...
985
01:05:42,764 --> 01:05:44,857
"... for two life terms.
986
01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:49,202
"For the Russell we know and love...
987
01:05:49,638 --> 01:05:52,664
"... we humbly plead, Your Honor...
988
01:05:53,475 --> 01:05:57,411
"... to not take Russell
completely out of our lives...
989
01:05:57,479 --> 01:05:58,844
"... forever. "
990
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,282
Mr. and Mrs. Sheppard...
991
01:06:06,354 --> 01:06:09,812
...there is not a moment
that goes by that I don't...
992
01:06:10,425 --> 01:06:12,359
...see what happened that night.
993
01:06:13,728 --> 01:06:16,094
I know what I did was very wrong...
994
01:06:17,565 --> 01:06:19,795
...and I regret greatly what I did.
995
01:06:21,603 --> 01:06:24,094
You have my greatest sympathies
for what happened.
996
01:06:27,142 --> 01:06:28,336
I hope that...
997
01:06:29,110 --> 01:06:33,103
...one day, you will be able to find it
in your hearts to forgive me.
998
01:06:38,753 --> 01:06:40,345
Mr. Henderson...
999
01:06:40,622 --> 01:06:44,524
...this court does not believe that you
really feel any true remorse...
1000
01:06:44,592 --> 01:06:46,321
...for your part in this matter.
1001
01:06:47,028 --> 01:06:51,055
And I wonder whether you fully realize
the gravity of what you have done.
1002
01:06:51,132 --> 01:06:55,501
You drove the vehicle that took
Matthew Sheppard to his death.
1003
01:06:56,304 --> 01:06:58,704
You bound him to that fence...
1004
01:06:58,773 --> 01:07:02,004
...in order that he might be
more savagely beaten...
1005
01:07:02,277 --> 01:07:05,838
...and in order that he might not escape
to tell his tale.
1006
01:07:06,448 --> 01:07:09,474
You left him out there for 18 hours...
1007
01:07:09,517 --> 01:07:12,983
...perhaps having an opportunity
to save his life...
1008
01:07:13,055 --> 01:07:15,523
...and you did nothing.
1009
01:07:16,625 --> 01:07:20,527
As to count three,
that being felony murder with robbery...
1010
01:07:21,197 --> 01:07:25,531
...you will serve a period of imprisonment
for the term of your natural life.
1011
01:07:26,035 --> 01:07:27,627
For count one...
1012
01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:29,632
...kidnapping...
1013
01:07:30,105 --> 01:07:34,633
...you will serve a period of imprisonment
for the term of your natural life.
1014
01:07:35,578 --> 01:07:40,345
Sentencing for count one to run
consecutive to sentencing for count three.
1015
01:07:51,927 --> 01:07:56,057
After the sentencing, the Mormon Church
decided to excommunicate Russell.
1016
01:07:56,699 --> 01:08:00,465
He's got a Mormon home teacher
that visits him in prison every week.
1017
01:08:00,703 --> 01:08:03,001
Nobody from the church
is gonna go visit him?
1018
01:08:03,072 --> 01:08:05,700
Not supposed to.
They're not supposed to pray for him.
1019
01:08:05,774 --> 01:08:07,674
He'll just sort of disappear.
1020
01:08:25,527 --> 01:08:28,360
What happened that night?
1021
01:08:29,665 --> 01:08:31,565
We need to know.
1022
01:08:33,135 --> 01:08:35,660
This town needs to Know.
1023
01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:45,380
I need some more light on them.
1024
01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:50,380
- I never get tired of this play.
- Try directing it 50 times.
1025
01:08:50,452 --> 01:08:53,250
You can relax, just keep the umbrellas up.
1026
01:08:54,156 --> 01:08:57,250
I hear you're doing
Angels in America next year.
1027
01:08:57,326 --> 01:09:00,056
We have an obligation
to reach our students...
1028
01:09:00,129 --> 01:09:02,825
...and the question is, how do you move...
1029
01:09:03,232 --> 01:09:05,496
How do you reach a whole state...
1030
01:09:05,567 --> 01:09:08,195
...where there is such
deep-seated hostility toward gays?
1031
01:09:08,270 --> 01:09:09,999
How do you reach them?
1032
01:09:10,072 --> 01:09:13,007
Angels in America is just the beginning.
1033
01:09:13,442 --> 01:09:15,774
And guess who's auditioning for the lead?
1034
01:09:16,211 --> 01:09:18,475
My parents, right, they're like:
1035
01:09:18,547 --> 01:09:21,710
"So what plays are they doing
in school this year?"
1036
01:09:21,784 --> 01:09:24,947
"let's see, Angels in America. "
1037
01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:26,351
"Wait.
1038
01:09:27,022 --> 01:09:30,651
"Angels in America? Isn't that that play?
1039
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,291
"It's that scene?
1040
01:09:33,028 --> 01:09:36,464
"So you're gonna audition for this?"
1041
01:09:36,765 --> 01:09:37,993
And I said:
1042
01:09:39,034 --> 01:09:40,865
"Yeah, I am. "
1043
01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:43,433
Huge argument, right?
1044
01:09:43,505 --> 01:09:45,666
It was this huge argument,
and my mom says:
1045
01:09:45,741 --> 01:09:49,802
"You know, homosexuality is a sin.
Homosexuality is a sin. "
1046
01:09:49,878 --> 01:09:52,472
But the best thing
that I knew I had on them...
1047
01:09:52,581 --> 01:09:54,549
...was that they had just seen me...
1048
01:09:54,616 --> 01:09:57,813
...right before this, onstage in Macbeth.
1049
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,516
I murdered this little kid and lady Mac Duff
and these two other guys, right?
1050
01:10:02,591 --> 01:10:04,252
I'm like, "Mom...
1051
01:10:05,361 --> 01:10:08,057
"I just played a murderer tonight,
and you...
1052
01:10:08,330 --> 01:10:10,890
"... didn't seem to have
any problem with that. "
1053
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:14,799
- So when's the audition?
- Tuesday.
1054
01:10:15,037 --> 01:10:19,974
I have never prepared myself
for an audition like this in my life.
1055
01:10:20,175 --> 01:10:21,574
Not even close.
1056
01:10:22,578 --> 01:10:26,241
Everybody second-guesses
what you're doing.
1057
01:10:26,915 --> 01:10:29,281
You get a lot of heavy criticism.
1058
01:10:29,852 --> 01:10:31,581
You did everything wrong.
1059
01:10:31,754 --> 01:10:35,815
You're not supposed to touch anybody
without gloves and protective gear.
1060
01:10:38,427 --> 01:10:42,295
Then they make you out
to be some kind of big hero.
1061
01:10:43,766 --> 01:10:48,703
Some Joe Blow down the block,
he could have done a better job than I did.
1062
01:10:52,007 --> 01:10:54,441
People do extraordinary things every day.
1063
01:10:56,345 --> 01:10:59,940
I think this has really brought home
to my girls...
1064
01:11:00,315 --> 01:11:02,647
...what their mom does for a living.
1065
01:11:08,757 --> 01:11:10,224
Just a minute.
1066
01:11:10,292 --> 01:11:12,783
It's the decision of the
County's Attorney's Office...
1067
01:11:12,861 --> 01:11:15,625
...that this will be tried
as a death penalty case.
1068
01:11:15,697 --> 01:11:17,961
That's all I have for you now. Thank you.
1069
01:11:18,634 --> 01:11:21,330
How can I protest
if the Sheppard�s want McKinney dead?
1070
01:11:21,403 --> 01:11:23,234
I just can't interfere in that.
1071
01:11:23,305 --> 01:11:26,502
But on a personae level,
I knew Aaron in grade school.
1072
01:11:26,575 --> 01:11:29,169
He wasn't called Aaron. We called him A.J.
1073
01:11:29,244 --> 01:11:32,372
How can we put A.J. McKinney to death?
1074
01:11:32,948 --> 01:11:35,940
I think right now
our most important teachers...
1075
01:11:36,018 --> 01:11:38,782
...must be Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney.
1076
01:11:38,854 --> 01:11:40,446
They have to be our teachers.
1077
01:11:40,522 --> 01:11:41,819
How did you learn?
1078
01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:45,018
What did we do as a society
to teach you that?
1079
01:11:45,094 --> 01:11:48,325
I don't know if many people
will let them be their teacher.
1080
01:11:48,397 --> 01:11:51,730
I think it would be wonderful
if the judge said:
1081
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,665
"In addition to the sentence...
1082
01:11:53,769 --> 01:11:56,397
"... you must tell your story.
1083
01:11:56,472 --> 01:11:59,600
"You must tell your story. "
1084
01:11:59,942 --> 01:12:03,469
This is a tape recording of the confession
given by Aaron James McKinney...
1085
01:12:03,545 --> 01:12:06,378
...to me as detective in charge
of the investigation.
1086
01:12:06,715 --> 01:12:10,014
This confession was recorded
two days after the attack.
1087
01:12:14,256 --> 01:12:18,693
- So, you guys go to the Fireside, right?
- Yeah.
1088
01:12:19,461 --> 01:12:21,986
Where do you go after you leave
the Fireside?
1089
01:12:22,397 --> 01:12:24,558
Some Kid wanted a ride home.
1090
01:12:25,901 --> 01:12:27,368
What's he look like?
1091
01:12:28,337 --> 01:12:29,895
like a queer.
1092
01:12:31,707 --> 01:12:35,006
- He looks like a queer?
- Yeah, like a fag, you know?
1093
01:12:36,378 --> 01:12:38,505
Okay, so, how'd you meet him?
1094
01:12:38,947 --> 01:12:41,609
The fag? The queer guy?
1095
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:46,412
We were meeting at the bar. He asked us
what we were drinking and doing.
1096
01:12:46,755 --> 01:12:49,280
So what happened after you met him?
1097
01:12:50,025 --> 01:12:52,585
He wanted a ride home, and...
1098
01:12:53,095 --> 01:12:56,462
...I just thought, "The dude's drunk,
let's just take him home. "
1099
01:12:56,532 --> 01:12:59,296
When did you and Russ talk about
jacking him up?
1100
01:12:59,501 --> 01:13:03,494
- We kind'a talked about it at the bar.
- Tell me what happened next.
1101
01:13:03,805 --> 01:13:05,739
Drove him out past Wal Mart.
1102
01:13:06,008 --> 01:13:10,377
We got over there
and he starts grabbing my leg and...
1103
01:13:10,679 --> 01:13:13,079
...grabbing my genitals and...
1104
01:13:14,016 --> 01:13:18,612
...I was like, "I'm not a fucking faggot.
If you touch me again, you're gonna get it. "
1105
01:13:19,221 --> 01:13:22,554
I don't know what the hell
he was trying to do...
1106
01:13:23,258 --> 01:13:25,624
...but I beat him up pretty bad.
1107
01:13:26,261 --> 01:13:28,058
I think I killed him.
1108
01:13:29,231 --> 01:13:32,894
- What did you hit him with?
- I blacked out.
1109
01:13:33,402 --> 01:13:38,032
My fist, my pistol, the butt of the gun.
1110
01:13:39,508 --> 01:13:42,773
I wonder what happened to me.
I had a few beers and I don't know.
1111
01:13:42,844 --> 01:13:45,244
It's like I could see what was going on.
1112
01:13:45,814 --> 01:13:47,748
It was like somebody else was doing it.
1113
01:13:47,816 --> 01:13:52,810
What was the first thing he said or did
that made you want to hit him?
1114
01:13:54,523 --> 01:13:56,957
He put his hand on my leg and...
1115
01:13:57,025 --> 01:13:59,585
...slid his hand
like he was gonna grab my balls.
1116
01:14:00,629 --> 01:14:04,429
When that defense team argued that
McKinney did what he did...
1117
01:14:04,499 --> 01:14:07,093
...because Matthew made a pass at him...
1118
01:14:07,769 --> 01:14:09,828
...I just wanted to vomit...
1119
01:14:10,973 --> 01:14:12,235
...because that's like saying it's okay.
1120
01:14:12,274 --> 01:14:16,128
It was disgusting
and we were all just disgusted.
1121
01:14:16,203 --> 01:14:20,037
It was just rude,
and that was less than integrals behavior.
1122
01:14:20,107 --> 01:14:23,133
We were all just disgusted
by that quality of defense.
1123
01:14:23,210 --> 01:14:27,476
It's like the Twinkie defense, when the guy
killed Harvey Milk and Moscone.
1124
01:14:27,848 --> 01:14:29,315
It's the same thing.
1125
01:14:29,383 --> 01:14:32,477
As much as a part of me didn't want
the defense saying that...
1126
01:14:32,553 --> 01:14:35,420
...it was a gay bashing or gay panic...
1127
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:39,084
...a part of me was really grateful.
1128
01:14:39,259 --> 01:14:42,751
Because I was really afraid that
in this trial they were gonna try...
1129
01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:45,822
...and say that it was a robbery,
or it was about drugs.
1130
01:14:45,899 --> 01:14:49,164
So when they used gay panic
as the defense...
1131
01:14:49,436 --> 01:14:51,529
...I thought, "This is good...
1132
01:14:51,605 --> 01:14:55,803
"... because if nothing else,
the truth is gonna come out.
1133
01:14:56,176 --> 01:14:59,043
"The truth is gonna be told. "
1134
01:14:59,146 --> 01:15:01,910
About how many times
did you hit him in the truck...
1135
01:15:01,982 --> 01:15:04,280
...before you guys stopped
where you left him?
1136
01:15:04,351 --> 01:15:06,842
I'd say I hit him two or three times.
1137
01:15:07,454 --> 01:15:10,821
Probably three times with my fists
and six times with the pistol.
1138
01:15:10,891 --> 01:15:12,449
Did he ask you to stop?
1139
01:15:12,693 --> 01:15:14,923
Yeah, he was getting
the shit kicked out of him.
1140
01:15:14,995 --> 01:15:16,428
What did he say?
1141
01:15:17,631 --> 01:15:21,192
After he asked me to stop,
most all he was doing was screaming.
1142
01:15:25,506 --> 01:15:28,634
Was Matthew conscious
while Russell was tying him to the fence?
1143
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:29,801
Yeah.
1144
01:15:29,877 --> 01:15:33,210
I told him, "Turn around and don't look
at my license plate number"...
1145
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,044
...because I was scared
he would tell the police.
1146
01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:39,010
And then I asked him
what my license plate said.
1147
01:15:39,086 --> 01:15:42,055
He read it and that's why I hit him
a few more times.
1148
01:15:42,122 --> 01:15:43,851
Just to be sure?
1149
01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:47,890
My secret hope was that they were
from somewhere else...
1150
01:15:48,295 --> 01:15:50,957
...that then you can create this distance.
1151
01:15:51,331 --> 01:15:53,959
We don't grow children like that here.
1152
01:15:55,903 --> 01:15:58,804
It's pretty clear we do grow children
like that here.
1153
01:15:59,273 --> 01:16:01,537
So obviously you don't like gay people?
1154
01:16:02,643 --> 01:16:05,305
- No, I don't.
- Would you say you hate them?
1155
01:16:07,214 --> 01:16:11,310
No, I really don't hate them,
but when they start...
1156
01:16:11,919 --> 01:16:14,285
...coming on to me,
I get pretty aggravated.
1157
01:16:14,354 --> 01:16:16,720
So you've been approached
by gay people before?
1158
01:16:17,524 --> 01:16:19,048
No, not really.
1159
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,250
Did he threaten you?
1160
01:16:21,361 --> 01:16:23,352
- This gay dude?
- Yeah.
1161
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:24,419
No.
1162
01:16:24,965 --> 01:16:26,865
Can you answer me one thing?
1163
01:16:27,334 --> 01:16:29,894
Why did you guys take his shoes?
1164
01:16:30,904 --> 01:16:32,462
I don't know.
1165
01:16:35,476 --> 01:16:38,070
I'm never gonna get to see my son again?
1166
01:16:43,150 --> 01:16:44,640
I don't know.
1167
01:16:49,056 --> 01:16:50,819
He's gonna die for sure?
1168
01:16:51,258 --> 01:16:54,659
There is no doubt that
Mr. Sheppard is going to die.
1169
01:16:58,732 --> 01:17:01,223
So what are they gonna give me, 25 to life?
1170
01:17:01,835 --> 01:17:04,463
Or the death penalty
and just get it over with?
1171
01:17:04,538 --> 01:17:05,732
That's not our job.
1172
01:17:06,874 --> 01:17:09,604
That's the job of the judge and the jury.
1173
01:17:16,083 --> 01:17:20,349
The strange thing is, 20 minutes
before Matthew was brought in...
1174
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:24,618
...Aaron McKinney, one of the perpetrators,
was brought in by his girlfriend.
1175
01:17:24,758 --> 01:17:27,693
- Wait. McKinney was here?
- Yeah.
1176
01:17:27,761 --> 01:17:32,221
I guess he went back into town later
that same night and got in a fight.
1177
01:17:33,267 --> 01:17:37,033
And so there's Aaron
on one bed in my ER...
1178
01:17:37,104 --> 01:17:39,504
...and just a few beds down is Matthew.
1179
01:17:40,507 --> 01:17:44,534
Then two days later,
I found out the connection.
1180
01:17:45,245 --> 01:17:47,338
Has the jury reached a verdict?
1181
01:17:48,348 --> 01:17:50,009
We have, Your Honor.
1182
01:17:51,585 --> 01:17:53,212
I was very...
1183
01:17:54,221 --> 01:17:55,449
...struck.
1184
01:17:56,123 --> 01:17:57,590
They were two kids.
1185
01:17:58,358 --> 01:18:02,419
They were both my patients,
but they were two kids.
1186
01:18:03,497 --> 01:18:07,695
I took care of both of them,
took care of both their bodies...
1187
01:18:10,437 --> 01:18:14,635
...and I felt a great deal of compassion
for both of them.
1188
01:18:15,876 --> 01:18:17,104
We, the jury...
1189
01:18:17,177 --> 01:18:21,238
...impaneled and sworn to try
the above-entitled cause...
1190
01:18:21,315 --> 01:18:24,409
...after having well
and truly tried the matter...
1191
01:18:24,484 --> 01:18:27,248
...unanimously find as follows:
1192
01:18:27,855 --> 01:18:30,119
As to the charge of kidnapping...
1193
01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:34,286
...we find the defendant,
Aaron James McKinney...
1194
01:18:35,095 --> 01:18:36,426
...guilty.
1195
01:18:39,666 --> 01:18:42,100
As to the charge of felony murder...
1196
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:46,128
...we find the defendant,
Aaron James McKinney...
1197
01:18:46,807 --> 01:18:48,138
...guilty.
1198
01:18:57,684 --> 01:19:01,484
The jury returns to the courthouse today
to start considering the punishment...
1199
01:19:01,555 --> 01:19:05,013
...a phase of the trial that will probably last
until next week.
1200
01:19:05,425 --> 01:19:08,952
I am working with McKinney,
counseling him.
1201
01:19:09,329 --> 01:19:12,696
I don't think he can conceptualize...
1202
01:19:12,766 --> 01:19:15,496
...the gravity of something
like capital punishment...
1203
01:19:15,569 --> 01:19:18,732
...but I'm going to be praying
like the dickens tonight...
1204
01:19:18,805 --> 01:19:21,330
...that we don't have to go through
this next phase.
1205
01:19:21,408 --> 01:19:25,970
I don't know if you believe in prayer,
but would you do this for me?
1206
01:19:26,446 --> 01:19:29,006
Would you just say, from time to time:
1207
01:19:29,082 --> 01:19:32,142
"lord, I lift him up to you. "
1208
01:19:32,819 --> 01:19:34,616
Just do that for me.
1209
01:19:35,656 --> 01:19:36,987
Of course, Father.
1210
01:19:38,158 --> 01:19:41,787
The sentencing phase of McKinney's
trial was to begin momentarily.
1211
01:19:41,862 --> 01:19:44,854
However, now we're hearing
that Judy and Dennis Sheppard...
1212
01:19:44,932 --> 01:19:49,164
...have been approached by the defense
team, who have pled for their client's life.
1213
01:19:49,236 --> 01:19:52,228
We understand Mr. Sheppard
may approach the court this morning.
1214
01:20:13,327 --> 01:20:14,954
"My son Matthew...
1215
01:20:15,696 --> 01:20:17,630
"... did not look like a winner.
1216
01:20:18,932 --> 01:20:20,900
"He was rather uncoordinated...
1217
01:20:20,968 --> 01:20:25,132
"... and wore braces from the age of 13
until the day he died.
1218
01:20:27,307 --> 01:20:31,038
"However, in his all-too-brief life,
he proved that he was a winner.
1219
01:20:32,546 --> 01:20:35,276
"On October 6, 1((8...
1220
01:20:35,349 --> 01:20:38,546
"... my son tried to show the world
that he could win again.
1221
01:20:39,987 --> 01:20:42,478
"On October 12, 1((8...
1222
01:20:43,991 --> 01:20:47,620
"... my first-born son and my hero lost.
1223
01:20:49,162 --> 01:20:51,995
"On October 12, 1((8...
1224
01:20:52,432 --> 01:20:56,129
"... my first-born son and my hero died...
1225
01:20:59,172 --> 01:21:02,141
"... 50 days before his 22nd birthday.
1226
01:21:05,078 --> 01:21:09,276
"I keep wondering the same thing that
I did when I first saw him in the hospital.
1227
01:21:10,584 --> 01:21:12,575
"What would he have become?
1228
01:21:13,653 --> 01:21:17,316
"How could he have changed
his piece of the world to make it better?
1229
01:21:19,192 --> 01:21:23,060
"Matt officially died in a hospital
in Fort Collins, Colorado.
1230
01:21:24,765 --> 01:21:27,825
"He actually died on the outskirts
of Laramie...
1231
01:21:28,702 --> 01:21:30,431
"... tied to a fence.
1232
01:21:32,272 --> 01:21:36,402
"You, Mr. McKinney,
with your friend Mr. Henderson...
1233
01:21:36,476 --> 01:21:40,276
"... left him there by himself...
1234
01:21:41,077 --> 01:21:42,908
"... but he was not alone.
1235
01:21:45,348 --> 01:21:48,010
"There were his lifelong friends with him...
1236
01:21:48,918 --> 01:21:51,512
"... friends that he had grown up with.
1237
01:21:53,223 --> 01:21:56,158
"You're probably wondering
who these friends were.
1238
01:21:58,294 --> 01:22:02,094
"First, he had the beautiful night sky
and the same stars and moon...
1239
01:22:02,165 --> 01:22:04,690
"... we used to see through a telescope.
1240
01:22:05,402 --> 01:22:09,771
"Then he had the daylight
and the sun to shine on him.
1241
01:22:12,342 --> 01:22:13,969
"And through it all...
1242
01:22:14,377 --> 01:22:18,404
"... he was breathing in the scent
of the pine trees from the Snowy Range.
1243
01:22:19,983 --> 01:22:21,610
"He heard the wind...
1244
01:22:23,686 --> 01:22:27,417
"... the ever-present Wyoming wind,
for the last time.
1245
01:22:29,526 --> 01:22:31,926
"He had one more friend with him.
1246
01:22:33,463 --> 01:22:34,987
"He had God.
1247
01:22:38,601 --> 01:22:41,570
"And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone.
1248
01:22:44,107 --> 01:22:49,067
"Matt's beating, hospitalization, and
funeral put worldwide attention on hate.
1249
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,748
"Good is coming out of evil.
1250
01:22:53,650 --> 01:22:56,949
"People have said, 'Enough is enough. '
1251
01:22:58,655 --> 01:23:00,350
"I miss my son...
1252
01:23:01,257 --> 01:23:04,715
"... but I am proud to be able to say
that he was my son.
1253
01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:11,057
"Judy has been quoted
as being against the death penalty.
1254
01:23:12,502 --> 01:23:16,029
"It has been stated that Matt was
against the death penalty.
1255
01:23:16,339 --> 01:23:19,274
"Both of these statements are wrong.
1256
01:23:20,610 --> 01:23:23,135
"I, too, believe in the death penalty.
1257
01:23:25,482 --> 01:23:29,009
"I would like nothing better
than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.
1258
01:23:38,728 --> 01:23:43,324
"However, this is the time
to begin the healing process...
1259
01:23:46,269 --> 01:23:49,898
"... to show mercy to someone
who refused to show any mercy.
1260
01:24:01,317 --> 01:24:02,841
"Mr. McKinney...
1261
01:24:04,254 --> 01:24:06,688
"... I am going to grant you life...
1262
01:24:07,624 --> 01:24:11,390
"... as hard as it is to do so,
because of Matthew.
1263
01:24:12,529 --> 01:24:15,327
"Every time you celebrate Christmas...
1264
01:24:15,832 --> 01:24:20,166
"... a birthday, the Fourth of July,
remember that Matt isn't.
1265
01:24:22,272 --> 01:24:24,740
"Every time you wake up
in your prison cell...
1266
01:24:24,807 --> 01:24:27,275
"... remember you had the opportunity...
1267
01:24:27,343 --> 01:24:30,642
"... and the ability
to stop your actions that night.
1268
01:24:32,715 --> 01:24:35,081
"You robbed me of
something very precious...
1269
01:24:35,151 --> 01:24:37,312
"... and I will never forgive you for that.
1270
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:44,683
"Mr. McKinney...
1271
01:24:46,095 --> 01:24:47,892
"... I give you life...
1272
01:24:49,132 --> 01:24:52,659
"... in the memory of someone
who no longer lives.
1273
01:24:54,404 --> 01:24:56,429
"May you have a long life...
1274
01:24:57,740 --> 01:25:01,073
"... and may you thank Matthew
every day for it. "
1275
01:25:06,883 --> 01:25:08,646
Thank you very much.
1276
01:25:16,626 --> 01:25:18,560
Mr. McKinney, you will be remanded...
1277
01:25:18,628 --> 01:25:21,791
...to the custody of the Albany County
Sheriff's Department...
1278
01:25:21,864 --> 01:25:25,027
...pending transportation
to the state penitentiary.
1279
01:25:25,101 --> 01:25:28,264
ladies and gentlemen,
that concludes this matter.
1280
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:51,458
I hope, when you think of this town,
you can see something besides a crime...
1281
01:25:51,527 --> 01:25:53,859
...and understand why we love it so much.
1282
01:25:55,865 --> 01:25:59,858
I'm just really glad that it's over.
You know, I really am.
1283
01:25:59,936 --> 01:26:04,805
Testifying in this trial has been one of
the hardest things I've had to do in my life.
1284
01:26:04,874 --> 01:26:08,469
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I love the stage, I'm a natural for it...
1285
01:26:08,544 --> 01:26:12,310
...but the actual testifying is really,
really difficult.
1286
01:26:12,382 --> 01:26:14,577
The lawyers are asking you questions...
1287
01:26:14,651 --> 01:26:17,916
...so you have questions
that are coming at you in this avenue...
1288
01:26:17,987 --> 01:26:20,547
...but then you have to funnel them over
to the jury.
1289
01:26:20,623 --> 01:26:23,592
So you funnel them over there,
and what you end up with is...
1290
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:26,356
Well, basically,
you have a funneling system.
1291
01:26:26,429 --> 01:26:27,623
Right?
1292
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,032
After taking the ATZ for six months,
I was able to get a DNA test.
1293
01:26:35,104 --> 01:26:36,128
And it was...
1294
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,136
...about a week later,
I found out that I was...
1295
01:26:41,277 --> 01:26:42,835
...negative for good.
1296
01:26:42,912 --> 01:26:44,880
- Wow. Thank God.
- That's great.
1297
01:26:44,947 --> 01:26:48,474
I tell you, we were all on our knees
saying Hail Mary�s.
1298
01:26:48,551 --> 01:26:51,520
Yeah, you're just so elated.
We were really happy.
1299
01:26:51,587 --> 01:26:53,418
So what's the first thing she does?
1300
01:26:53,489 --> 01:26:56,185
I stuck my tongue right
in my husband's mouth.
1301
01:26:57,260 --> 01:27:00,195
- What about your daughters?
- The girls, they just bawled.
1302
01:27:00,263 --> 01:27:02,163
They were just so happy.
1303
01:27:02,231 --> 01:27:04,256
- And the force...
- Boy.
1304
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:07,359
Yeah, we went out and got shit-faced.
1305
01:27:07,437 --> 01:27:09,997
I just kissed everybody
who came through that door.
1306
01:27:10,106 --> 01:27:12,336
- They don't need to know that.
- You know what?
1307
01:27:12,408 --> 01:27:15,206
If it was a male or a female,
I kissed them on the lips.
1308
01:27:15,278 --> 01:27:17,906
What part of what I just said
did you not understand?
1309
01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:19,971
Mom, I have already kissed them.
1310
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,027
It's not clear to me,
having Known Matthew...
1311
01:27:34,564 --> 01:27:37,465
...what story he would want
told about this.
1312
01:27:38,101 --> 01:27:40,501
We won't fully understand
what happened here...
1313
01:27:40,570 --> 01:27:44,165
...until time has had a chance
to filter that out for us.
1314
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,835
What happened here,
the culture that caused this...
1315
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:50,879
...the complex set of events
leading up to it...
1316
01:27:51,347 --> 01:27:54,680
...it would have been like
us trying to stop a tank.
1317
01:28:01,491 --> 01:28:06,394
Change is not an easy thing,
and I don't think people were up to it.
1318
01:28:07,463 --> 01:28:08,930
They got what they wanted.
1319
01:28:08,998 --> 01:28:12,764
Those two boys got what they deserve,
and we look good now.
1320
01:28:13,102 --> 01:28:16,731
It's been over a year since
Matthew Sheppard died...
1321
01:28:16,806 --> 01:28:20,242
...and they haven't passed shit in Wyoming.
1322
01:28:20,643 --> 01:28:22,975
They haven't passed it at a state level...
1323
01:28:23,045 --> 01:28:25,741
...any town, anybody, anywhere...
1324
01:28:25,815 --> 01:28:28,511
...has passed any kind of laws.
1325
01:28:28,584 --> 01:28:32,247
Anti-discrimination laws
or hate crime legislation...
1326
01:28:32,321 --> 01:28:36,348
...nobody has passed anything anywhere.
1327
01:28:39,362 --> 01:28:41,840
What's come out of it?
1328
01:28:42,341 --> 01:28:46,243
What's come out of it
that's concrete and lasting?
1329
01:28:47,546 --> 01:28:52,540
"The dead will be commemorated
and will struggle on with the living...
1330
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:56,686
"... and we are not going away.
1331
01:28:58,257 --> 01:29:00,555
"We won't die secret deaths anymore.
1332
01:29:01,727 --> 01:29:04,059
"The world only spins forward.
1333
01:29:06,732 --> 01:29:09,462
"We will be citizens.
1334
01:29:10,502 --> 01:29:12,163
"The time has come.
1335
01:29:22,715 --> 01:29:23,977
"'Bye, now. "
1336
01:29:32,191 --> 01:29:34,682
Have you ever gone out to the fence?
1337
01:29:37,096 --> 01:29:39,656
I drove up to the site in my limousine...
1338
01:29:40,065 --> 01:29:44,798
...and I remembered something to myself
the night he and I drove around together.
1339
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:47,464
He said, "Laramie sparkles, doesn't it?"
1340
01:29:49,174 --> 01:29:51,574
And where he was in that spot up there...
1341
01:29:51,677 --> 01:29:55,977
...if you sit exactly in that spot up there,
Laramie sparkles from there.
1342
01:29:56,415 --> 01:29:58,679
With the low-Iying clouds...
1343
01:29:59,018 --> 01:30:02,920
...it's the blue lights bouncing off
the clouds from the airport...
1344
01:30:02,988 --> 01:30:05,616
...and it goes...
1345
01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:09,691
...over the whole city.
1346
01:30:10,829 --> 01:30:12,228
I mean...
1347
01:30:13,332 --> 01:30:15,323
...it blows you away.
1348
01:30:16,001 --> 01:30:20,495
Matt was right there in that spot,
and I can just picture...
1349
01:30:20,706 --> 01:30:22,230
...in his eyes...
1350
01:30:23,108 --> 01:30:25,906
I can picture what he was seeing.
1351
01:30:27,112 --> 01:30:30,639
The last thing that he saw on this earth...
1352
01:30:31,183 --> 01:30:35,210
...was the sparkling lights
of Laramie, Wyoming.
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