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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:50,082 --> 00:00:51,884 WOMAN IN FILM: Good morning, girls. 2 00:00:51,917 --> 00:00:55,354 I'm going to talk to you this morning about the way you look. 3 00:00:55,387 --> 00:00:58,291 Now, I've heard it said that we women attach too much importance 4 00:00:58,324 --> 00:00:59,826 to our appearance. 5 00:00:59,859 --> 00:01:01,494 But that isn't true. 6 00:01:01,527 --> 00:01:03,229 After all, the way we look 7 00:01:03,262 --> 00:01:06,199 exerts so much influence on the way we feel, 8 00:01:06,232 --> 00:01:08,501 and on the way other people feel about us, 9 00:01:08,534 --> 00:01:10,837 that it really is very important. 10 00:01:10,870 --> 00:01:12,805 As a French chef might say, 11 00:01:12,838 --> 00:01:14,207 it's the little touch of seasoning 12 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,375 that makes the dish just right. 13 00:01:16,408 --> 00:01:20,480 ♪ 14 00:01:20,513 --> 00:01:22,157 ROSE MARIE: One of the biggest cosmetic brands, 15 00:01:22,181 --> 00:01:24,917 designer cosmetic brands, in the world, 16 00:01:24,950 --> 00:01:26,986 their ex-formulator had contacted us. 17 00:01:27,019 --> 00:01:29,755 He said... 18 00:01:29,788 --> 00:01:34,327 "The cosmetic industry is destroying women's cells." 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,095 C-E-L-L-S. 20 00:01:36,128 --> 00:01:37,196 Cells. 21 00:01:37,229 --> 00:01:38,874 And I said to him, "Why don't you say something?" 22 00:01:38,898 --> 00:01:41,334 He said, "I can't." 23 00:01:41,367 --> 00:01:45,771 ♪ 24 00:01:45,804 --> 00:01:47,874 DR. SMITH: This cosmetics issue is even bigger 25 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:49,675 than the tobacco industry, 26 00:01:49,708 --> 00:01:51,744 because we're talking about thousands 27 00:01:51,777 --> 00:01:53,212 of different chemicals. 28 00:01:53,245 --> 00:01:55,014 STACY: The same chemicals being dumped 29 00:01:55,047 --> 00:01:56,758 and running through the rivers that are toxic, 30 00:01:56,782 --> 00:01:59,752 are running through our blood. 31 00:01:59,785 --> 00:02:01,229 DR. LANPHEAR: For some of these chemicals, 32 00:02:01,253 --> 00:02:03,923 millions of children will be harmed before we actually decide 33 00:02:03,956 --> 00:02:05,525 whether it's toxic or not. 34 00:02:05,558 --> 00:02:07,927 DR. ZOTA: Skincare, hair, feminine care products 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,930 have been associated with reproductive problems, 36 00:02:11,964 --> 00:02:14,400 ovarian cancer, pre-term birth, 37 00:02:14,433 --> 00:02:18,137 mercury poisoning, endocrine disruption. 38 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:20,039 JANET: The cosmetics industry comes back 39 00:02:20,072 --> 00:02:21,641 with their own science, and they say, 40 00:02:21,674 --> 00:02:26,078 "Oh, just a little bit of a cancer-causing chemical." 41 00:02:26,111 --> 00:02:28,648 DR. ZOTA: You have no way of knowing 42 00:02:28,681 --> 00:02:31,117 what's in your product. 43 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:33,452 DR. LANPHEAR: Wealthy, big corporations don't allow 44 00:02:33,485 --> 00:02:37,657 regulations to happen, who allow people to be harmed. 45 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:39,258 SEN. KENNEDY: In cosmetics used 46 00:02:39,291 --> 00:02:41,227 by women in this country every day, 47 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:44,763 125 ingredients suspected of causing cancer! 48 00:02:44,797 --> 00:02:47,433 And the list goes on, and on, and on! 49 00:02:47,466 --> 00:02:49,435 DR. MICHAELS: Chemicals are not like people. 50 00:02:49,468 --> 00:02:51,179 They're not innocent until they're proven guilty. 51 00:02:51,203 --> 00:02:53,272 ♪ 52 00:02:53,305 --> 00:02:54,983 DR. CARSON: Unless we do bring these chemicals 53 00:02:55,007 --> 00:02:59,845 under better control, we are certainly headed for disaster. 54 00:02:59,878 --> 00:03:02,013 DR. BRODY: We don't want to wait 60 years 55 00:03:02,047 --> 00:03:04,817 to find out that some chemical we use in hand lotion 56 00:03:04,850 --> 00:03:06,819 is causing breast cancer. 57 00:03:06,852 --> 00:03:11,658 ♪ 58 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:26,672 [birds chirping] 59 00:03:26,705 --> 00:03:29,742 MEL: In '99, I started going overseas as a NATO peacekeeper. 60 00:03:33,012 --> 00:03:37,317 Places like Qatar, Kosovo, Kuwait, and Afghanistan. 61 00:03:38,350 --> 00:03:42,855 ♪ 62 00:03:54,867 --> 00:03:59,338 MEL: Working with the military, and going into war zones... 63 00:03:59,371 --> 00:04:03,676 I worked my way into intel. 64 00:04:03,709 --> 00:04:06,145 I was put to work in a detention cell, 65 00:04:06,178 --> 00:04:09,482 which is really the jail for the war criminals. 66 00:04:09,515 --> 00:04:13,351 ♪ 67 00:04:13,385 --> 00:04:16,055 MEL: I was called a counterintelligence screener. 68 00:04:16,088 --> 00:04:19,992 ♪ 69 00:04:20,024 --> 00:04:23,863 MEL: Interviewing and giving polygraphs. 70 00:04:23,896 --> 00:04:27,333 ♪ 71 00:04:27,366 --> 00:04:28,868 MEL: Evidence. 72 00:04:28,901 --> 00:04:33,606 War crime evidence. 73 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,108 Looking for bad people. 74 00:04:36,141 --> 00:04:40,880 Helping the country stabilize. 75 00:04:40,913 --> 00:04:44,717 ♪ 76 00:04:44,750 --> 00:04:48,688 ♪ 77 00:04:48,721 --> 00:04:52,758 MEL: And everybody used to call me superwoman. 78 00:04:52,791 --> 00:04:55,861 ♪ 79 00:04:55,894 --> 00:04:57,930 MEL: Um... 80 00:04:57,963 --> 00:05:01,100 I'm sorry, did I lose track... 81 00:05:01,133 --> 00:05:04,103 of even the question? 82 00:05:04,136 --> 00:05:07,440 ♪ 83 00:05:07,473 --> 00:05:10,242 ♪ 84 00:05:10,275 --> 00:05:14,313 MEL: The words just flow through my head right now. 85 00:05:14,346 --> 00:05:16,916 Mm-hm. 86 00:05:16,949 --> 00:05:20,219 ♪ 87 00:05:20,252 --> 00:05:22,788 ♪ 88 00:05:22,821 --> 00:05:26,159 [shower water flowing] 89 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:33,998 [shower stops] 90 00:05:34,032 --> 00:05:35,633 MYMY: My name is Mymy. 91 00:05:35,667 --> 00:05:40,472 I'm 24, and I'm from California. 92 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:42,340 MYMY: Basic one. 93 00:05:42,374 --> 00:05:43,743 MYMY: It's kinda funny, actually. 94 00:05:43,776 --> 00:05:45,911 As a little girl, I was always very girly. 95 00:05:45,944 --> 00:05:48,247 My mom just likes to dress me up... 96 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,582 "You're a girl, you should look pretty. 97 00:05:50,616 --> 00:05:53,753 "People are gonna judge you for how you look." 98 00:05:53,786 --> 00:05:58,224 ♪ 99 00:06:01,527 --> 00:06:03,929 MYMY: I looked up to my mom. I looked up to my mom. 100 00:06:03,962 --> 00:06:07,500 I thought she was really pretty. 101 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,444 Well, that's 'cause I think my dad's really ugly. 102 00:06:09,468 --> 00:06:12,705 [laughs] 103 00:06:12,738 --> 00:06:16,275 Beauty is ingrained to our relationship. 104 00:06:16,308 --> 00:06:19,311 And it was always creams, always creams. 105 00:06:19,344 --> 00:06:22,681 Always, like, different moisturizers, sunscreens. 106 00:06:22,714 --> 00:06:24,283 And I always grew up learning 107 00:06:24,316 --> 00:06:26,952 you need to put these on your face to prevent wrinkles, 108 00:06:26,985 --> 00:06:31,357 anti-ageing, have lighter skin. 109 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:33,526 There's a huge thing about having lighter skin. 110 00:06:33,559 --> 00:06:35,361 Don't go in the sun; you'll get too tanned. 111 00:06:35,394 --> 00:06:38,063 Make sure you put sunscreen on, so you can have nice skin 112 00:06:38,096 --> 00:06:41,200 and people would like you more. 113 00:06:41,233 --> 00:06:44,904 ♪ 114 00:06:44,937 --> 00:06:48,040 MYMY: When I was younger, early '90s, 115 00:06:48,073 --> 00:06:52,977 most of the people on TV were white female celebrities. 116 00:06:53,011 --> 00:06:55,314 That maybe has skewed people's perception 117 00:06:55,347 --> 00:06:57,216 of what beauty should be like. 118 00:06:57,249 --> 00:07:00,319 And I was just never completely satisfied with how I looked. 119 00:07:00,352 --> 00:07:01,921 Why don't I have cheekbones? 120 00:07:01,954 --> 00:07:04,723 Why do I feel like my nose is too short? 121 00:07:04,756 --> 00:07:09,561 Or why are my eyes so small, and not shaped a certain way? 122 00:07:09,595 --> 00:07:12,832 COMMERCIAL: ♪ Is it true blondes have more fun? ♪ 123 00:07:12,865 --> 00:07:17,736 If I've only one life, let me live it as a blonde! 124 00:07:17,769 --> 00:07:21,106 MYMY: So I don't think I actively thought, 125 00:07:21,139 --> 00:07:23,108 "I wanna look like this white woman, 126 00:07:23,141 --> 00:07:26,412 "so I'm gonna dye my hair blonde." 127 00:07:30,449 --> 00:07:32,451 I love makeup. 128 00:07:32,484 --> 00:07:34,520 I love personal care products. 129 00:07:34,553 --> 00:07:37,056 I've never even called them "personal care products." 130 00:07:37,089 --> 00:07:40,559 You know, it's just like, oh, lotions, or sunscreen. 131 00:07:40,592 --> 00:07:43,562 It's kind of just things that you grow up 132 00:07:43,595 --> 00:07:47,199 being conditioned to thinking that you need. 133 00:07:47,232 --> 00:07:50,769 That it makes us more attractive. 134 00:07:50,802 --> 00:07:53,239 ♪ 135 00:07:53,272 --> 00:07:57,308 MEL: I was never really sick for about 55 years of my life. 136 00:07:57,342 --> 00:07:59,745 I'd had a bad fall. 137 00:07:59,778 --> 00:08:03,716 I went to the doctor for... I thought it was my ribs. 138 00:08:03,749 --> 00:08:07,820 They said, "There's nothing wrong with the ribs." 139 00:08:07,853 --> 00:08:11,223 It was already stage four. 140 00:08:11,256 --> 00:08:15,361 ♪ 141 00:08:16,361 --> 00:08:20,900 MEL: I was officially diagnosed in May 2014, 142 00:08:20,933 --> 00:08:25,938 ovarian cancer. 143 00:08:25,971 --> 00:08:29,408 Told in March that I had no more than six months. 144 00:08:29,441 --> 00:08:33,679 ♪ 145 00:08:33,712 --> 00:08:37,616 [airplane roars past] 146 00:08:46,525 --> 00:08:50,161 [inaudible announcement on PA] 147 00:08:50,195 --> 00:08:52,765 DEANE: I had started having problems with spotting, 148 00:08:52,798 --> 00:08:56,135 intermittent, between my periods. 149 00:09:00,205 --> 00:09:02,841 I was 49 years old. 150 00:09:02,874 --> 00:09:05,477 I knew I was probably not too far from menopause, 151 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:08,480 but it still didn't seem quite right. 152 00:09:08,513 --> 00:09:13,152 DEANE: Hi. TAXI DRIVER: How're you doing? 153 00:09:13,185 --> 00:09:17,156 DEANE: I went and saw the gynaecology surgeon. 154 00:09:17,189 --> 00:09:20,858 He was sitting at his desk with a pathology report. 155 00:09:20,892 --> 00:09:25,130 [siren wails] 156 00:09:25,163 --> 00:09:26,240 DEANE: Being a healthcare professional, 157 00:09:26,264 --> 00:09:27,733 I just took one look down, 158 00:09:27,766 --> 00:09:31,069 and I could see "bilateral carcinoma." 159 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:34,806 This can't be right. 160 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,710 And the doctor said, "I didn't expect this, 161 00:09:37,743 --> 00:09:40,479 "I'm really sorry." 162 00:09:40,512 --> 00:09:44,215 Total hysterectomy and chemotherapy. 163 00:09:44,249 --> 00:09:46,919 I pulled out all my textbooks, starting to look up 164 00:09:46,952 --> 00:09:49,388 how do you treat ovarian cancer? 165 00:09:49,421 --> 00:09:52,891 What did I do wrong? 166 00:09:52,924 --> 00:09:55,526 ♪ 167 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,997 MARY: Ah! 168 00:09:58,030 --> 00:10:01,000 [seagulls calling] 169 00:10:01,033 --> 00:10:04,603 ♪ 170 00:10:04,636 --> 00:10:09,574 MARY: I had surgery December, 2014. 171 00:10:09,608 --> 00:10:13,277 Removed everything: the omentum, the ovaries, 172 00:10:13,311 --> 00:10:16,348 the fallopian tubes. 173 00:10:16,381 --> 00:10:19,584 SHAEDA: My belly started growing. 174 00:10:19,618 --> 00:10:22,521 And it was the most uncomfortable feeling. 175 00:10:22,554 --> 00:10:25,591 It got to a stage where I couldn't bend. 176 00:10:25,624 --> 00:10:27,793 ♪ 177 00:10:27,826 --> 00:10:30,095 BEVERLEY: I went to a hormone specialist, 178 00:10:30,128 --> 00:10:31,697 and he said, "Uh-oh." 179 00:10:31,730 --> 00:10:33,141 I said, "What does that 'uh-oh' mean?" 180 00:10:33,165 --> 00:10:34,599 He said, "Are you feeling okay?" 181 00:10:34,633 --> 00:10:36,201 I said, "I feel fine." 182 00:10:36,234 --> 00:10:39,905 Because there's no warning with ovarian cancer. 183 00:10:39,938 --> 00:10:43,275 CHANTAL: When you do get the symptoms, it's too late. 184 00:10:43,308 --> 00:10:46,712 When they found it, it had spread everywhere. 185 00:10:46,745 --> 00:10:49,214 It's like it's the end of the world, you know? 186 00:10:49,247 --> 00:10:52,418 SHAEDA: The doctor put in a needle right through 187 00:10:52,451 --> 00:10:53,952 the skin under my abdomen. 188 00:10:53,985 --> 00:10:57,890 Greenish liquid poured out of me 189 00:10:57,923 --> 00:11:02,161 into six one-litre bottles. 190 00:11:02,194 --> 00:11:04,128 CHANTAL: The only thing came to my mind, is, 191 00:11:04,162 --> 00:11:06,932 "I'm never gonna reach 50." 192 00:11:06,965 --> 00:11:09,301 SHAEDA: And that's how it started. 193 00:11:09,334 --> 00:11:10,912 BEVERLEY: "You're gonna have to have chemo," 194 00:11:10,936 --> 00:11:13,639 which my heart fell to the ground. 195 00:11:13,672 --> 00:11:17,242 MARY: My normal life... 196 00:11:17,275 --> 00:11:20,411 stopped that day. 197 00:11:20,445 --> 00:11:24,150 ♪ 198 00:11:27,152 --> 00:11:30,322 [traffic rumbles] 199 00:11:30,355 --> 00:11:32,858 DEANE: In the handouts the doctor had given me, 200 00:11:32,891 --> 00:11:36,261 there was a book from the Gilda Radner Association. 201 00:11:36,294 --> 00:11:38,263 And in the back of the book, 202 00:11:38,296 --> 00:11:42,668 there was different causation factors. 203 00:11:42,701 --> 00:11:44,445 And I was reading through them, and I said, well, 204 00:11:44,469 --> 00:11:49,208 I had children, so that's not a factor. 205 00:11:49,241 --> 00:11:51,477 There's no cancer in my family. 206 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:55,314 At that time, I wasn't obese or overweight. 207 00:11:55,347 --> 00:11:58,417 I had never used birth control pills. 208 00:12:00,485 --> 00:12:02,788 I kept reading, and I said, 209 00:12:02,821 --> 00:12:04,223 "Talcum powder." 210 00:12:04,256 --> 00:12:08,193 What? Talcum powder? 211 00:12:08,226 --> 00:12:10,229 COMMERCIAL: Ever since I was a little girl, 212 00:12:10,262 --> 00:12:14,465 Johnson's Baby Powder has made me feel soft, fresh, and loved. 213 00:12:14,499 --> 00:12:17,469 COMMERCIAL: Johnson's Baby Powder keeps anybody's baby 214 00:12:17,502 --> 00:12:19,036 smooth and fresh. 215 00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:21,507 DEANE: I picked up the talcum powder, baby powder, 216 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:24,175 Shower to Shower, looked over the labels, 217 00:12:24,209 --> 00:12:27,579 and there was nothing even stated on the bottles at all 218 00:12:27,612 --> 00:12:31,315 that there was any risk of cancer. 219 00:12:31,349 --> 00:12:34,686 ♪ 220 00:12:34,719 --> 00:12:35,897 DEANE: That's what I'd been using 221 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:38,023 since I was about 16 years old. 222 00:12:38,056 --> 00:12:41,660 And never thought that there would be any danger in it. 223 00:12:41,693 --> 00:12:45,698 ♪ 224 00:12:52,704 --> 00:12:54,673 MARY: [coughs] 225 00:12:54,706 --> 00:12:58,877 I used Johnson Baby Powder. And my mom. 226 00:12:58,910 --> 00:13:02,113 The women in the house were baby powder ladies. 227 00:13:02,147 --> 00:13:03,916 BEVERLEY: My mother used it on me as a child, 228 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:06,351 and as a baby. It was a nice smell. 229 00:13:06,384 --> 00:13:08,095 It made me feel fresh; it made me feel good. 230 00:13:08,119 --> 00:13:09,454 I felt clean. 231 00:13:09,487 --> 00:13:11,924 SHAEDA: And I was using Johnson & Johnson 232 00:13:11,957 --> 00:13:15,460 Shower to Shower and baby powder as a deodorant. 233 00:13:15,493 --> 00:13:17,062 CHANTAL: I was putting it in my bed 234 00:13:17,095 --> 00:13:18,363 before I would go to bed, 235 00:13:18,396 --> 00:13:21,400 because I liked the smell of baby powder. 236 00:13:21,433 --> 00:13:24,703 Yeah. 237 00:13:24,736 --> 00:13:27,573 MARY: And I had no idea that there was something 238 00:13:27,606 --> 00:13:30,943 in the product that could be harmful. 239 00:13:30,976 --> 00:13:34,647 ♪ 240 00:14:06,811 --> 00:14:08,747 [birds chirping] 241 00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:10,716 [car locking beep] 242 00:14:14,052 --> 00:14:16,154 MYMY: I think having makeup is just 243 00:14:16,187 --> 00:14:21,159 like an extra layer of security. 244 00:14:21,192 --> 00:14:22,961 If I was going on an interview, 245 00:14:22,994 --> 00:14:26,265 I would want that extra layer, just to know that 246 00:14:26,298 --> 00:14:29,501 I don't have to worry about my flaws showing. 247 00:14:29,534 --> 00:14:34,606 [indistinct conversation] 248 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:37,042 MYMY: Even though maybe other people wouldn't see it, 249 00:14:37,075 --> 00:14:39,444 there are just things that I would notice about myself, 250 00:14:39,477 --> 00:14:43,215 and would make me more self-conscious. 251 00:14:43,248 --> 00:14:45,884 [indistinct conversation] 252 00:14:45,917 --> 00:14:48,687 [indistinct conversation] 253 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,191 MYMY: I think overall, makeup just boosts people's confidence. 254 00:15:02,567 --> 00:15:05,504 MYMY: Oh! 255 00:15:05,537 --> 00:15:09,074 MYMY: I really think that makeup has been 256 00:15:09,107 --> 00:15:12,544 ingrained so much into our culture. 257 00:15:12,577 --> 00:15:15,080 ♪ 258 00:15:15,113 --> 00:15:16,748 MYMY: If you're in a group of friends, 259 00:15:16,781 --> 00:15:18,916 and everybody put on all their products, 260 00:15:18,950 --> 00:15:22,254 and you're the only one who didn't put on anything, 261 00:15:22,287 --> 00:15:24,890 it's kind of awkward to be the odd one out. 262 00:15:24,923 --> 00:15:29,695 [picture shutter sounds] 263 00:15:29,728 --> 00:15:34,733 ♪ 264 00:15:34,766 --> 00:15:37,401 MYMY: But face routine, so you said primer. 265 00:15:37,435 --> 00:15:39,046 You said moisturizer, primer, and foundation. 266 00:15:39,070 --> 00:15:40,939 EMILY: Yeah. Oh, I use this one, too. 267 00:15:40,972 --> 00:15:43,208 EMILY: I went to an all-girls' high school, 268 00:15:43,241 --> 00:15:46,244 so I think this topic was actually pretty common 269 00:15:46,277 --> 00:15:47,713 at my school. 270 00:15:47,746 --> 00:15:50,247 So when I do see, like, advertisements 271 00:15:50,281 --> 00:15:53,352 for certain things, like, I just see they use females, and... 272 00:15:53,385 --> 00:15:55,196 MYMY: Like, sexualizing females on commercials. 273 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:56,388 EMILY: Yeah, yeah. 274 00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:03,295 EMILY: Cosmetic campaigns, like, they will take some 275 00:16:03,328 --> 00:16:06,430 very influential person that a lot of girls look up to, 276 00:16:06,464 --> 00:16:09,802 and they use that person to advertise for whatever product. 277 00:16:13,104 --> 00:16:14,148 "I think this person's beautiful, 278 00:16:14,172 --> 00:16:15,040 "and they're using this product; 279 00:16:15,073 --> 00:16:16,513 "I'm gonna use this product as well." 280 00:16:19,844 --> 00:16:23,281 EMILY: We shouldn't be telling girls to stop using products. 281 00:16:23,314 --> 00:16:25,483 We should be telling the government and regulators 282 00:16:25,517 --> 00:16:27,719 and companies to stop creating toxic beauty products. 283 00:16:27,752 --> 00:16:30,856 MYMY: Yeah. 284 00:16:39,330 --> 00:16:42,667 MYMY: I'm gonna be starting medical school in the fall, 285 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:46,505 at Boston University. 286 00:16:46,538 --> 00:16:51,243 I wanted to work with Dr. Mahalingaiah 287 00:16:51,276 --> 00:16:54,279 because she is a reproductive endocrinologist. 288 00:16:54,312 --> 00:16:58,283 [audience applause] 289 00:16:58,316 --> 00:16:59,593 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: It's great to be here today... 290 00:16:59,617 --> 00:17:01,786 MYMY: A lot of Dr. Mahalingaiah's work 291 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:06,091 is on environmental exposures, and reproductive disorders. 292 00:17:06,124 --> 00:17:08,860 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Today's talk is going to go over 293 00:17:08,893 --> 00:17:10,962 trends in human fertility. 294 00:17:10,994 --> 00:17:12,997 We'll spend a little time on definitions, 295 00:17:13,031 --> 00:17:15,141 because that's really important as you're thinking about 296 00:17:15,165 --> 00:17:16,435 study design... 297 00:17:16,468 --> 00:17:18,336 MYMY: I look to her as a mentor. 298 00:17:18,368 --> 00:17:20,771 In the past, she's looked at environmental toxins 299 00:17:20,805 --> 00:17:24,142 or exposures on the prenatal period. 300 00:17:24,175 --> 00:17:27,512 ♪ 301 00:17:30,515 --> 00:17:32,617 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: One of my concerns is 302 00:17:32,650 --> 00:17:34,519 stemming from the interconnectedness of 303 00:17:34,552 --> 00:17:36,120 our environmental exposures. 304 00:17:36,154 --> 00:17:40,392 Could we be exposing our gametes, the egg and the sperm, 305 00:17:40,425 --> 00:17:44,361 or our embryos to potential toxicants 306 00:17:44,395 --> 00:17:47,232 throughout the life course? 307 00:17:47,265 --> 00:17:48,843 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Remember when I wanted to throw that out, 308 00:17:48,867 --> 00:17:50,368 Avera? AVERA: Yeah. 309 00:17:50,401 --> 00:17:53,238 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Why do you wanna keep it? 310 00:17:53,271 --> 00:17:55,706 What colour do you like the most? 311 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:57,843 AVERA: I like a lot of them. I like the natural ones. 312 00:17:57,876 --> 00:18:00,712 I like the, like, natural colours for your face, but... 313 00:18:00,745 --> 00:18:02,590 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Oh, can you show me the natural colours? 314 00:18:02,614 --> 00:18:04,024 AVERA: They're just like, they're like, 315 00:18:04,048 --> 00:18:06,685 colours... the skin colours, but... 316 00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:10,021 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Oh. 317 00:18:10,054 --> 00:18:12,924 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: So I've weeded out a tremendous amount, 318 00:18:12,957 --> 00:18:15,961 but this is what's left of my makeup. 319 00:18:18,196 --> 00:18:22,333 This is supposed to make your skin 320 00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:24,503 look bright, 321 00:18:24,536 --> 00:18:27,539 and I also think that's probably 322 00:18:27,572 --> 00:18:32,177 an oestrogen-type effect on healthy, 323 00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:35,714 growing skin, that in addition to 324 00:18:35,747 --> 00:18:38,850 other personal care products, the volatile organic compounds 325 00:18:38,883 --> 00:18:41,253 that are off-gassing from nail polish. 326 00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:43,688 [Avera's chatter] 327 00:18:43,721 --> 00:18:45,891 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Once populations have been exposed, 328 00:18:45,924 --> 00:18:49,360 and discovery has been made about the associations, 329 00:18:49,394 --> 00:18:51,930 we've already lost a generation to that exposure. 330 00:18:51,963 --> 00:18:56,067 Which might be subtle effects at the level of infertility. 331 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:57,769 MYMY: Gonna keep that here. 332 00:18:57,802 --> 00:19:00,105 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: It might be more devastating effects 333 00:19:00,138 --> 00:19:04,109 in other aspects of development. 334 00:19:04,142 --> 00:19:08,280 I think we should be concerned. 335 00:19:08,313 --> 00:19:11,583 MYMY: I didn't start using products until college. 336 00:19:11,616 --> 00:19:14,452 That's when I started having this... 337 00:19:14,485 --> 00:19:17,488 benign tumour. 338 00:19:17,522 --> 00:19:19,823 I have a small breast already, so on me, 339 00:19:19,857 --> 00:19:23,562 the tumour was really apparent. 340 00:19:23,595 --> 00:19:24,838 MYMY: My physicians would tell me, 341 00:19:24,862 --> 00:19:26,340 "Oh, it's something that just happens." 342 00:19:26,364 --> 00:19:27,999 EMILY: Yeah. MYMY: Oh, it just happened? 343 00:19:28,032 --> 00:19:29,301 I'm unlucky. EMILY: Yeah. 344 00:19:29,334 --> 00:19:30,502 There should... 345 00:19:30,535 --> 00:19:32,637 MYMY: But maybe it wasn't because of luck, 346 00:19:32,670 --> 00:19:35,407 it was something I used. EMILY: Yeah, there's a reason. 347 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,008 MYMY: Yeah. EMILY: It's illogical. 348 00:19:37,041 --> 00:19:39,977 MYMY: So I finally got the tumour removed, 349 00:19:40,011 --> 00:19:42,414 but it was just... It grew so large, 350 00:19:42,447 --> 00:19:45,149 that now I have a really big scar, 351 00:19:45,183 --> 00:19:47,118 and the more I talk about it, it seems like 352 00:19:47,151 --> 00:19:50,088 other girls are saying, "Oh my gosh, I have this too." 353 00:19:50,121 --> 00:19:51,465 EMILY: Yeah, like, "Oh, I feel a lump." 354 00:19:51,489 --> 00:19:54,092 And I'm just like, "We're in our 20s!" 355 00:19:54,125 --> 00:19:55,269 Like, this shouldn't be happening! 356 00:19:55,293 --> 00:19:56,437 MYMY: Yeah. EMILY: Like, you know? 357 00:19:56,461 --> 00:19:57,829 MYMY: What is it? And you're like, 358 00:19:57,862 --> 00:20:01,333 "What is this caused by?" 359 00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:03,268 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: In terms of our fertility, 360 00:20:03,301 --> 00:20:07,938 when a compound has an endocrine-like activity, 361 00:20:07,972 --> 00:20:10,742 or is an endocrine disruptor... 362 00:20:13,478 --> 00:20:15,981 any substance that is synthetic, 363 00:20:16,014 --> 00:20:20,517 that can act like an endocrine hormone. 364 00:20:20,551 --> 00:20:24,990 And so the endocrine system has multiple different hormones. 365 00:20:25,023 --> 00:20:27,058 The thyroid hormone that comes from the thyroid, 366 00:20:27,091 --> 00:20:31,129 oestrogen and testosterone are well-known sex steroid hormones. 367 00:20:31,162 --> 00:20:35,166 ♪ 368 00:20:35,199 --> 00:20:38,370 DR. ZOTA: That action, that hormone interference can happen 369 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:40,739 on many different biological levels. 370 00:20:40,772 --> 00:20:44,876 And we are finding that many of the synthetic chemicals 371 00:20:44,909 --> 00:20:48,346 in personal care products can indeed interfere 372 00:20:48,379 --> 00:20:51,649 with hormone action. 373 00:20:51,683 --> 00:20:55,086 ♪ 374 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,488 DR. CARSON: In the words of Jean Rostand, 375 00:20:57,522 --> 00:21:01,693 "The obligation to endure gives us the right to know." 376 00:21:01,726 --> 00:21:04,029 ♪ 377 00:21:04,062 --> 00:21:07,698 DR. BRODY: We have a "innocent until proven guilty" approach 378 00:21:07,732 --> 00:21:10,001 to these chemicals, where we put them into use, 379 00:21:10,034 --> 00:21:11,870 and then we find out later that they're risky. 380 00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,906 Sometimes very risky. 381 00:21:14,939 --> 00:21:18,109 We do know that some of the chemicals in everyday products 382 00:21:18,142 --> 00:21:21,846 are oestrogen mimics, or they can distort androgen, 383 00:21:21,879 --> 00:21:23,180 or affect thyroid. 384 00:21:23,214 --> 00:21:27,217 Chemicals like phthalates. 385 00:21:27,251 --> 00:21:31,756 That's affecting your hormone signalling system. 386 00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:35,960 ♪ 387 00:21:35,993 --> 00:21:38,196 DR. PLANTE: We're trying to figure out if some 388 00:21:38,229 --> 00:21:40,699 endocrine disruptors can promote breast cancer, 389 00:21:40,732 --> 00:21:43,435 or induce breast cancer, or have an effect 390 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:46,404 on the mammary gland development. 391 00:21:46,437 --> 00:21:49,274 A lot of creams, like, that you're gonna put on your skin 392 00:21:49,307 --> 00:21:53,411 have parabens. 393 00:21:53,444 --> 00:21:55,322 DR. PLANTE: In some of the makeup you're gonna find 394 00:21:55,346 --> 00:21:59,284 some parabens, and/or some phthalates. 395 00:21:59,317 --> 00:22:02,954 So there are a lot of product that are using those molecules. 396 00:22:02,987 --> 00:22:05,557 ♪ 397 00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:07,234 DR. BRODY: We think all the hormone disruptors 398 00:22:07,258 --> 00:22:09,894 are going to be relevant to all the hormonal cancers. 399 00:22:09,927 --> 00:22:13,130 So that includes prostate, testicular, ovarian, 400 00:22:13,164 --> 00:22:14,599 endometrial... 401 00:22:14,632 --> 00:22:18,603 and to reproduction and growth. 402 00:22:18,636 --> 00:22:21,639 So this is not just a women's problem. 403 00:22:21,672 --> 00:22:24,309 ♪ 404 00:22:24,342 --> 00:22:26,120 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: The industrial processes that make 405 00:22:26,144 --> 00:22:29,581 some of the additives in something as benign as makeup 406 00:22:29,614 --> 00:22:32,150 are the same kinds of processes that are in involved 407 00:22:32,183 --> 00:22:36,121 in chemical warfare, and biological weapons. 408 00:22:41,192 --> 00:22:44,095 DR. MAHALINGAIAH: So it's not like this a very light topic 409 00:22:44,128 --> 00:22:47,631 that is just like, oh, makeup, and let's look beautiful. 410 00:22:47,665 --> 00:22:49,768 ♪ 411 00:22:49,801 --> 00:22:52,203 MYMY: I'm learning that all of these toxins can cause 412 00:22:52,236 --> 00:22:54,839 reproductive harm, and effects on menopause, 413 00:22:54,872 --> 00:22:58,143 and an earlier age in menopause. 414 00:22:58,176 --> 00:23:00,110 And I'm 24 years old, and I know that 415 00:23:00,144 --> 00:23:02,814 I want to have children later on, 416 00:23:02,847 --> 00:23:05,383 but going into a career in medicine, 417 00:23:05,416 --> 00:23:08,386 that's going to be delayed, and I hope that using these products 418 00:23:08,419 --> 00:23:11,356 won't affect my decision to have kids. 419 00:23:11,389 --> 00:23:15,092 ♪ 420 00:23:36,347 --> 00:23:39,083 DR. CRAMER: No, there's no warning label on talc 421 00:23:39,116 --> 00:23:42,387 regarding risks of ovarian cancer. 422 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:45,690 I had surely expected a warning label would be placed 423 00:23:45,723 --> 00:23:48,927 on talc products after the International Agency 424 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,729 for Research on Cancer declared talc 425 00:23:51,762 --> 00:23:53,532 to be a possible carcinogen. 426 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,671 But even then, no warning labels appeared, 427 00:23:59,704 --> 00:24:02,774 and that's what's prompted me to get involved 428 00:24:02,807 --> 00:24:06,244 in this litigation issue. 429 00:24:06,277 --> 00:24:11,883 ♪ 430 00:24:11,916 --> 00:24:14,185 DR. CRAMER: In medical school I was very much interested 431 00:24:14,218 --> 00:24:18,757 in obstetrics and gynaecology as a speciality. 432 00:24:21,959 --> 00:24:24,095 But I always had the intent to go on 433 00:24:24,128 --> 00:24:26,398 to get a degree in epidemiology. 434 00:24:29,901 --> 00:24:33,805 And when it came time to choose a thesis, that is, 435 00:24:33,838 --> 00:24:37,976 epidemiologic study of some disease or another, 436 00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:43,047 I chose ovarian cancer. 437 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,117 DR. NESS: Dan is the guy who I consider to be 438 00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:47,719 kind of the grandfather, 439 00:24:47,752 --> 00:24:49,553 one of the grandfathers of epidemiology, 440 00:24:49,587 --> 00:24:53,258 which is my field. 441 00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:57,262 And epidemiology, you know, I call us detective people. 442 00:24:57,295 --> 00:24:59,597 He was one of the people who published way back 443 00:24:59,630 --> 00:25:01,799 in the early 1980s one of the first papers 444 00:25:01,832 --> 00:25:04,502 to link talc and ovarian cancer. 445 00:25:04,535 --> 00:25:06,847 DEANE: Without him, I really wonder if this ever would have 446 00:25:06,871 --> 00:25:08,773 been brought out at all. 447 00:25:08,806 --> 00:25:10,241 But he'd been fighting it, 448 00:25:10,274 --> 00:25:14,111 and showing evidence of it for a long time. 449 00:25:14,145 --> 00:25:17,516 ♪ 450 00:25:19,517 --> 00:25:21,786 DR. CRAMER: There had been some suspicion about talc 451 00:25:21,819 --> 00:25:23,659 and ovarian cancer, but it had not been studied 452 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:28,192 in any sort of systematic way. 453 00:25:28,225 --> 00:25:30,203 Well, first I should explain that we decided that we would do 454 00:25:30,227 --> 00:25:32,430 a case control study. 455 00:25:32,463 --> 00:25:35,533 We would interview women who'd recently been diagnosed 456 00:25:35,566 --> 00:25:38,102 with ovarian cancer... 457 00:25:38,135 --> 00:25:41,472 ♪ 458 00:25:41,505 --> 00:25:42,883 DR. CRAMER: and we would ask them, 459 00:25:42,907 --> 00:25:45,342 "A year before your cancer was diagnosed, 460 00:25:45,376 --> 00:25:46,778 "what habits did you have?" 461 00:25:46,811 --> 00:25:50,514 And we asked about the talc use. 462 00:25:50,548 --> 00:25:53,952 And there was clearly an excess of women who used 463 00:25:53,985 --> 00:25:56,053 powders after bathing or showering 464 00:25:56,087 --> 00:25:58,723 in their genital area that translate 465 00:25:58,756 --> 00:26:03,194 into an increased risk for ovarian cancer. 466 00:26:03,227 --> 00:26:05,163 Talc is a mined product. 467 00:26:05,196 --> 00:26:06,997 Magnesium silicates. 468 00:26:07,031 --> 00:26:09,867 [talc rumbling] 469 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,338 ♪ 470 00:26:13,371 --> 00:26:17,008 DR. CRAMER: And it occurs more frequently than not in veins 471 00:26:17,041 --> 00:26:21,178 with other magnesium silicates, which can include asbestos. 472 00:26:21,212 --> 00:26:25,350 ♪ 473 00:26:27,351 --> 00:26:29,520 DR. CRAMER: The majority of women were actually using 474 00:26:29,553 --> 00:26:31,489 Johnson & Johnson, but... 475 00:26:31,522 --> 00:26:33,725 there's nothing unique about Johnson & Johnson 476 00:26:33,758 --> 00:26:36,728 in terms of the talc. It's... 477 00:26:36,761 --> 00:26:38,196 Talc is talc. 478 00:26:38,229 --> 00:26:41,232 [keys clicking] 479 00:26:41,265 --> 00:26:43,534 DR. CRAMER: Oh, here it is... 480 00:26:43,567 --> 00:26:45,703 "Johnson & Johnson liability"... 481 00:26:45,736 --> 00:26:48,272 And then here's all the plaintiffs. 482 00:26:48,305 --> 00:26:51,542 And who they're represented by. 483 00:26:51,575 --> 00:26:55,580 ♪ 484 00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:17,769 ♪ 485 00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:20,671 [birds chirping] 486 00:27:26,777 --> 00:27:30,815 MEL: The last two years of a different chemo drug, 487 00:27:30,848 --> 00:27:33,216 feeling the tumour stick out through your skin, I mean, 488 00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:35,553 you could... if you put a few fingers here, 489 00:27:35,586 --> 00:27:39,657 you could see underneath. It's like an iceberg effect. 490 00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:44,295 Most of it is underneath, and now the tips are sticking out. 491 00:27:44,328 --> 00:27:47,131 It's days at a time where you can't even just drink water 492 00:27:47,164 --> 00:27:50,301 without vomiting. 493 00:27:58,709 --> 00:28:01,279 MEL: When I was overseas on military bases, 494 00:28:01,312 --> 00:28:04,615 I used the regular Johnson & Johnson Baby Powder, 495 00:28:04,648 --> 00:28:06,918 and Shower to Shower. 496 00:28:06,951 --> 00:28:09,587 WOMAN: Hmm... MAN: Yeesh. 497 00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:12,290 WOMAN 2: Ha, ha, where's everybody going? 498 00:28:12,323 --> 00:28:14,492 GROUP: ♪ Shower to Shower each day! ♪ 499 00:28:14,525 --> 00:28:17,628 ♪ Helps keep odour away! ♪ 500 00:28:17,661 --> 00:28:19,864 MEL: I used it on the genital area, 501 00:28:19,897 --> 00:28:24,668 and underarms, and in shoes. 502 00:28:24,702 --> 00:28:26,971 I loved the scent for one thing. 503 00:28:27,004 --> 00:28:29,206 It made you feel a little more confident. 504 00:28:34,078 --> 00:28:38,449 It's just a frustration 505 00:28:38,482 --> 00:28:40,318 that is on a level that, I don't know, 506 00:28:40,351 --> 00:28:43,020 it just paralyses you, 507 00:28:43,053 --> 00:28:45,857 that level of frustration to know you did this to yourself, 508 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:48,893 but I know it's not... 509 00:28:48,926 --> 00:28:51,495 Logically I know it's not my fault. 510 00:28:54,231 --> 00:28:57,401 What it boils down to, it's destroying lives, 511 00:28:57,434 --> 00:29:01,372 when it comes down to it. 512 00:29:01,405 --> 00:29:05,042 That's exactly what's happening. Lives are being destroyed. 513 00:29:05,075 --> 00:29:09,948 ♪ 514 00:29:26,964 --> 00:29:28,566 MAN IN FILM: Yes, sir, that's my baby. 515 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,868 No, sir, don't mean maybe. 516 00:29:30,901 --> 00:29:33,371 She's probably never heard of Lenin. 517 00:29:33,404 --> 00:29:36,407 Her unsuspecting countrymen have given her the vote. 518 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,510 Yes, sir, that's my baby now. 519 00:29:39,543 --> 00:29:43,581 ♪ 520 00:29:50,921 --> 00:29:54,258 MYMY: So this is called, "The American Chamber of Horrors." 521 00:29:54,291 --> 00:29:58,428 And it talks about the dangers of the cosmetic industry 522 00:29:58,462 --> 00:30:01,465 back in 1936. 523 00:30:01,498 --> 00:30:05,136 And it's crazy, because nothing has changed, 524 00:30:05,169 --> 00:30:07,738 or very little has changed since then. 525 00:30:07,771 --> 00:30:09,473 MALE NARRATOR IN FILM: In the laboratory, 526 00:30:09,506 --> 00:30:13,477 a scientist tests an eyelash beautifier, 527 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:16,447 which only recently came on the market. 528 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,983 He finds that this cosmetic 529 00:30:19,016 --> 00:30:22,053 contains a coal tar dye. 530 00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:25,590 This explains why women who use this stuff 531 00:30:25,623 --> 00:30:29,427 are having the outer coatings of their eyeballs burned off, 532 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,462 and are becoming blind. 533 00:30:31,495 --> 00:30:33,563 DR. ZOTA: The way we regulate personal care products 534 00:30:33,597 --> 00:30:36,466 in this country hasn't changed 535 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,670 since the 1930s. 536 00:30:39,703 --> 00:30:42,572 MAN: President Roosevelt has endorsed a bill 537 00:30:42,606 --> 00:30:47,411 which should be front-page news to every consumer in America. 538 00:30:47,444 --> 00:30:50,915 Its purpose is to protect you, as a consumer, 539 00:30:50,948 --> 00:30:53,918 from the many dangers and fraudulent foods, 540 00:30:53,951 --> 00:30:58,155 drugs, and cosmetics still to be found on the market. 541 00:30:58,188 --> 00:31:01,158 ♪ 542 00:31:01,191 --> 00:31:03,794 DR. SMITH: I don't think it's possible to imagine a worse 543 00:31:03,827 --> 00:31:08,699 regulated family of products than cosmetics, 544 00:31:08,732 --> 00:31:11,369 which is surprising, given how intimately 545 00:31:11,402 --> 00:31:14,338 we use these products. 546 00:31:14,371 --> 00:31:16,211 DR. MICHAELS: The FDA works very hard on drugs, 547 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,944 on medical devices, perhaps a little less well on food, 548 00:31:19,977 --> 00:31:23,648 protecting people from dangerous materials in cosmetics 549 00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:27,218 is not even in the back seat; it's not even in the car. 550 00:31:27,251 --> 00:31:30,488 [indistinct conversation] 551 00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:32,956 [distant siren noises] 552 00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:34,292 REP. RON: Your experts said, 553 00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:38,896 when a consumer asks, "Is this product safe?" 554 00:31:38,929 --> 00:31:42,566 Your experts said, "I cannot say." 555 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,870 DR. KESSLER: I don't believe in saying everything is just fine, 556 00:31:45,903 --> 00:31:50,341 everything is always safe. Everything is relative. 557 00:31:50,374 --> 00:31:53,644 MAN IN FILM: In some cases, if the advertising isn't accurate 558 00:31:53,677 --> 00:31:56,580 for things like cosmetics, deodorants, 559 00:31:56,613 --> 00:31:59,317 and hair tonics and so forth, people might use the product 560 00:31:59,350 --> 00:32:01,385 in ways that could injure their health. 561 00:32:01,418 --> 00:32:03,920 MAN 2: Inaccurate? Aren't they actually lying? 562 00:32:03,954 --> 00:32:07,024 COMMERCIAL: When you find a girl whose hair feels like hair, 563 00:32:07,057 --> 00:32:10,161 she probably uses Ozon Fluid Net. 564 00:32:10,194 --> 00:32:14,098 The hairspray that leaves hair feeling like hair. 565 00:32:14,131 --> 00:32:15,766 It's the hairdresser's hairspray, 566 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,168 in the pink and grey can. 567 00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:20,404 REP. RON: This industry, which any time you walk 568 00:32:20,437 --> 00:32:22,372 into a store in this country, 569 00:32:22,406 --> 00:32:24,274 is virtually asserting 570 00:32:24,308 --> 00:32:26,744 that they can rebuild people 571 00:32:26,777 --> 00:32:28,546 with new cells, 572 00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:31,514 and all kinds of other very bold claims. 573 00:32:31,548 --> 00:32:35,553 ♪ 574 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:39,390 JANET: The $84-billion domestic cosmetics industry 575 00:32:39,423 --> 00:32:41,892 is regulated currently by about a page 576 00:32:41,925 --> 00:32:43,427 and a half of federal law. 577 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:45,629 Really impressive, important, 578 00:32:45,662 --> 00:32:47,865 influential members of Congress have tried. 579 00:32:47,898 --> 00:32:51,302 Ron Wyden, from Oregon, Ted Kennedy tried, 580 00:32:51,335 --> 00:32:53,938 and every time they've introduced legislation 581 00:32:53,971 --> 00:32:56,874 that would require stricter regulation of the industry, 582 00:32:56,907 --> 00:32:58,708 the industry has fought it back, and has said, 583 00:32:58,742 --> 00:33:01,479 "We will do a better job of regulating ourselves." 584 00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:03,556 SEN. KERRY: Would it concern you to know that young women 585 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:06,250 are using oestrogen in hair products conceivably 586 00:33:06,283 --> 00:33:09,486 to straighten their hair, and that that may in fact 587 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,155 have an impact? 588 00:33:11,188 --> 00:33:14,091 DR. ALDERSON: Without question, we would want to know that, sir. 589 00:33:14,124 --> 00:33:16,060 SEN. KERRY: Well, it's in public domain. 590 00:33:16,093 --> 00:33:19,397 It seems to me the FDA is putting its faith in an industry 591 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:21,665 to self police through a panel called 592 00:33:21,698 --> 00:33:24,835 the Cosmetic Ingredient Review. 593 00:33:24,868 --> 00:33:28,739 Surprise, surprise, the industry funded the panel of scientists, 594 00:33:28,772 --> 00:33:31,075 and they've reviewed only 11% of the more than 595 00:33:31,108 --> 00:33:34,945 10,000 ingredients contained in cosmetics. 596 00:33:34,978 --> 00:33:39,016 DR. LANPHEAR: I'd like to be able to put myself out of a job. 597 00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:41,418 That means that we're protecting kids. 598 00:33:41,452 --> 00:33:43,954 And we're not having to use them to determine 599 00:33:43,987 --> 00:33:46,457 whether this chemical or that chemical is toxic. 600 00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:48,626 Which is not of course what industry wants us to do. 601 00:33:48,659 --> 00:33:50,370 They'd just rather continue to use a product 602 00:33:50,394 --> 00:33:52,696 without any regulation whatsoever. 603 00:33:52,729 --> 00:33:54,941 DR. MICHAELS: What we're seeing now is there's a whole industry, 604 00:33:54,965 --> 00:33:56,699 the product defence industry, 605 00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:59,270 which is made up of for-profit corporations 606 00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:01,539 that are run by scientists, who are consultants, 607 00:34:01,572 --> 00:34:04,308 and some of these supposed think-tanks. 608 00:34:04,341 --> 00:34:05,708 I mean, it's ludicrous. 609 00:34:05,742 --> 00:34:08,045 The Indoor Tanning Association is out there saying... 610 00:34:08,078 --> 00:34:09,780 Questioning the science around 611 00:34:09,813 --> 00:34:11,949 ultraviolet radiation and skin cancer. 612 00:34:11,982 --> 00:34:14,851 DR. MICHAELS: Something I've seen is that this 613 00:34:14,885 --> 00:34:17,021 manufacturer of uncertainty 614 00:34:17,054 --> 00:34:20,124 and trying to show there are two sides to every issue 615 00:34:20,157 --> 00:34:24,028 around science degrades all scientists. 616 00:34:24,061 --> 00:34:26,030 It makes it looks like scientists are just part of 617 00:34:26,063 --> 00:34:28,466 a debating society, and they're like lawyers. 618 00:34:28,498 --> 00:34:29,667 But science isn't like that. 619 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,002 Science is the search for the truth. 620 00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:35,873 But hiring people to say something specific 621 00:34:35,906 --> 00:34:37,975 not because it's the truth, but because it defends 622 00:34:38,007 --> 00:34:40,243 a product, or it defends a corporation, 623 00:34:40,277 --> 00:34:44,248 really does make it hard for all scientists. 624 00:34:44,281 --> 00:34:47,518 DR. LANPHEAR: But the more unethical part of what we do 625 00:34:47,551 --> 00:34:50,920 is use these chemicals before they've been tested for safety. 626 00:34:50,954 --> 00:34:53,491 Did anybody ever ask you to sign a consent form 627 00:34:53,524 --> 00:34:55,335 for using these products, because they didn't know 628 00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:57,728 if it was safe? Of course not. 629 00:34:57,761 --> 00:35:02,100 ♪ 630 00:35:03,867 --> 00:35:06,070 JULIE: Labels do not disclose 631 00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:10,908 what's in "parfum," "aroma," "fragrance," or "flavour." 632 00:35:10,941 --> 00:35:13,843 Those catch-all terms can conceal a range 633 00:35:13,877 --> 00:35:16,013 of potentially hazardous chemicals. 634 00:35:16,046 --> 00:35:18,082 JULIE: The world operates with what's called 635 00:35:18,115 --> 00:35:21,252 a post-market regulatory system. 636 00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:25,055 That means that the product is put onto the market first. 637 00:35:25,088 --> 00:35:27,525 It's not like you have to test the product first, 638 00:35:27,558 --> 00:35:29,727 make sure it's safe, and then it goes on the market. 639 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,030 No, it goes on the market, and then if there are incidents, 640 00:35:33,063 --> 00:35:35,699 that's when the regulatory system kicks in. 641 00:35:35,732 --> 00:35:38,469 Nobody's testing to see if that eyeshadow 642 00:35:38,502 --> 00:35:41,772 has in it what it says it has in it. 643 00:35:41,805 --> 00:35:46,077 ♪ 644 00:35:48,078 --> 00:35:50,156 RON: Let me ask you first, and I'd like to just go down 645 00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:52,316 the row, whether each of you believe 646 00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:55,386 that nicotine is not addictive? 647 00:35:55,419 --> 00:35:58,455 JAMES: Congressman, cigarettes and nicotine 648 00:35:58,488 --> 00:36:03,259 clearly do not meet the classic definitions of addiction. 649 00:36:03,293 --> 00:36:04,728 [cartoon gunshot] 650 00:36:04,761 --> 00:36:06,272 DR. SMITH: I think the best available science points 651 00:36:06,296 --> 00:36:09,232 to that this cosmetics issue as being even bigger 652 00:36:09,266 --> 00:36:11,936 than the tobacco industry, 653 00:36:11,969 --> 00:36:13,804 because we're talking about 654 00:36:13,837 --> 00:36:17,408 thousands of different chemicals, 655 00:36:17,441 --> 00:36:20,477 most of which haven't been adequately safety tested. 656 00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:24,348 ♪ 657 00:37:13,397 --> 00:37:16,534 ♪ 658 00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:21,805 DR. SMITH: There are really two pressing 659 00:37:21,838 --> 00:37:24,375 pollution crises at the moment. 660 00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:26,319 One gets a lot of media, and that's climate change. 661 00:37:26,343 --> 00:37:30,413 And deservedly so. 662 00:37:30,447 --> 00:37:35,419 [seagulls calling] 663 00:37:35,452 --> 00:37:39,657 SMITH: I often wonder why this second pollution crisis, 664 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:41,525 this crisis of toxic chemicals 665 00:37:41,558 --> 00:37:44,161 in the products that we use every day, 666 00:37:44,194 --> 00:37:45,763 why doesn't this second pollution crisis 667 00:37:45,796 --> 00:37:49,232 get more attention? 668 00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:54,005 ♪ 669 00:37:59,042 --> 00:38:01,011 MYMY: I met with Dr. Rick Smith. 670 00:38:01,044 --> 00:38:03,047 He is an environmentalist, 671 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,848 and he's also done an experiment 672 00:38:04,881 --> 00:38:06,216 and wrote a book about it, 673 00:38:06,249 --> 00:38:08,919 called "Slow Death by Rubber Duck." 674 00:38:08,952 --> 00:38:12,189 ♪ 675 00:38:12,222 --> 00:38:15,426 MYMY: I'm starting medical school in the fall 676 00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:17,428 at Boston University in the lab. 677 00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:19,763 DR. SMITH: That's great. MYMY: [laughs] Thank you. 678 00:38:19,796 --> 00:38:22,966 The lab that I was working in the past year, 679 00:38:22,999 --> 00:38:26,102 a lot of our work is owed to your book, 680 00:38:26,136 --> 00:38:30,074 and self-experimentation with toxins, 681 00:38:30,107 --> 00:38:32,710 and seeing the effects on your own body. 682 00:38:32,743 --> 00:38:35,088 DR. SMITH: So, are you gonna be doing an experiment on yourself? 683 00:38:35,112 --> 00:38:36,589 MYMY: I'm doing an experiment on myself. 684 00:38:36,613 --> 00:38:38,082 DR. SMITH: Okay. Alright, very good. 685 00:38:38,115 --> 00:38:39,625 I mean, that's terrible, but that's... you know, 686 00:38:39,649 --> 00:38:41,317 I mean, that'll be interesting. 687 00:38:41,351 --> 00:38:42,829 MYMY: Yeah, so I'm... DR. SMITH: Yeah. 688 00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:44,722 MYMY: gonna get back to baseline, 689 00:38:44,755 --> 00:38:47,758 where I'll use no products, take off all my makeup. 690 00:38:47,791 --> 00:38:49,159 DR. SMITH: Yeah. 691 00:38:49,192 --> 00:38:50,928 MYMY: Stop using soap. 692 00:38:50,961 --> 00:38:53,464 And then put on all the mainstream products. 693 00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:54,665 DR. SMITH: Yeah. 694 00:38:54,698 --> 00:38:56,933 MYMY: And take the urine test afterwards 695 00:38:56,967 --> 00:39:00,904 to see my levels of phthalates and parabens. 696 00:39:00,937 --> 00:39:03,841 DR. SMITH: So all of our experiments mimic daily life. 697 00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:05,908 And we've done a lot of experiments with cosmetics. 698 00:39:05,942 --> 00:39:08,746 We've looked at whether you can increase 699 00:39:08,779 --> 00:39:10,514 the level of phthalates in your body, 700 00:39:10,547 --> 00:39:12,916 the level of parabens in your body 701 00:39:12,949 --> 00:39:14,852 just by using certain products. MYMY: Right. 702 00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:17,454 DR. SMITH: Our bodies are pretty good at getting rid of them 703 00:39:17,487 --> 00:39:20,090 on a regular basis. MYMY: Yeah. 704 00:39:20,123 --> 00:39:22,960 DR. SMITH: We all have relatively high, 705 00:39:22,993 --> 00:39:25,596 relatively constant levels of these chemicals 706 00:39:25,629 --> 00:39:27,865 in our bodies all the time. MYMY: Yeah, yeah. 707 00:39:27,898 --> 00:39:29,633 DR. SMITH: Which means that 708 00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:31,468 we're being constantly re-exposed. 709 00:39:31,501 --> 00:39:33,137 MYMY: Yeah. DR. SMITH: So we're kinda... 710 00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:36,974 marinating ourselves unwittingly in these chemicals. 711 00:39:37,007 --> 00:39:40,677 ♪ 712 00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:44,448 DR. ZOTA: We wrote a commentary to talk about a phenomenon 713 00:39:44,481 --> 00:39:47,851 that we call the environmental injustice of beauty. 714 00:39:47,884 --> 00:39:52,322 ♪ 715 00:39:52,355 --> 00:39:55,826 ZOTA: It's really trying to frame this problem 716 00:39:55,859 --> 00:39:58,194 of disproportionate chemical exposures 717 00:39:58,228 --> 00:40:01,064 among women of colour. 718 00:40:01,097 --> 00:40:04,134 We further go on to talk about how each 719 00:40:04,167 --> 00:40:06,970 of these categories of product use, 720 00:40:07,003 --> 00:40:09,139 whether it's skin care, hair, 721 00:40:09,172 --> 00:40:11,508 feminine care products, vaginal douches, 722 00:40:11,541 --> 00:40:15,179 and feminine sprays, and feminine wipes, 723 00:40:15,212 --> 00:40:18,783 use of baby powder in the genital area... 724 00:40:20,517 --> 00:40:23,520 We also see differences in skin care products. 725 00:40:23,553 --> 00:40:27,424 ♪ 726 00:40:27,457 --> 00:40:29,827 DR. ZOTA: Skin lighteners are being used 727 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,397 by women across the globe. 728 00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:36,667 ♪ 729 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,703 DR. ZOTA: There are cases in the medical literature 730 00:40:39,736 --> 00:40:43,272 of mercury poisoning from skin care products. 731 00:40:43,306 --> 00:40:47,544 ♪ 732 00:40:47,577 --> 00:40:50,414 DR. ZOTA: This preference for Eurocentric beauty norms 733 00:40:50,447 --> 00:40:55,386 can have really long-lasting effects on body image. 734 00:40:58,388 --> 00:41:01,458 ♪ 735 00:41:01,491 --> 00:41:03,694 DR. DARBRE: I'm going to start off this evening 736 00:41:03,727 --> 00:41:06,296 by talking about personal care products, 737 00:41:06,329 --> 00:41:08,532 and about breast cancer. 738 00:41:08,565 --> 00:41:10,133 Breast cancer is not a new disease. 739 00:41:10,166 --> 00:41:11,969 It was there in ancient Egypt. 740 00:41:12,002 --> 00:41:14,304 It was recorded in ancient Greece. 741 00:41:14,337 --> 00:41:17,908 But the rate of increase in breast cancer 742 00:41:17,941 --> 00:41:21,745 is absolutely unprecedented. 743 00:41:21,778 --> 00:41:24,448 DR. DARBRE: So this is where we actually grow the cells. 744 00:41:24,481 --> 00:41:28,051 The human breast cancer cells. 745 00:41:28,084 --> 00:41:30,254 And we're gonna have a look under the microscope 746 00:41:30,287 --> 00:41:32,555 at whether they're growing, 747 00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:35,325 and whether they're growing more with parabens 748 00:41:35,358 --> 00:41:38,262 than without parabens. 749 00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,330 I've tested all of them individually, 750 00:41:40,363 --> 00:41:44,902 and in combination, and they can make human breast cancer cells 751 00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:48,138 grow, and may be able to mimic oestrogen action 752 00:41:48,171 --> 00:41:50,607 in breast cells. 753 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,942 DR. DARBRE: In 2004, we upset the world by showing 754 00:41:52,976 --> 00:41:55,479 that parabens could even get into the human breast. 755 00:41:55,512 --> 00:41:58,649 We then did a bigger study in 2012, 756 00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:03,587 in which we found paraben in 158 out of 160 samples. 757 00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:06,022 And furthermore, we didn't find one paraben, 758 00:42:06,056 --> 00:42:10,160 we found five parabens in 60% of those samples. 759 00:42:10,193 --> 00:42:12,329 Parabens are added to many products 760 00:42:12,362 --> 00:42:14,097 to preserve them. 761 00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:15,866 Body care products 762 00:42:15,899 --> 00:42:17,634 and skin care products 763 00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:21,638 that you can buy on the supermarket shelf. 764 00:42:21,671 --> 00:42:24,006 I'm actually quite upset 765 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,810 by how much I've measured in human breast tissue. 766 00:42:26,843 --> 00:42:29,279 ♪ 767 00:42:29,312 --> 00:42:32,482 DR. ZOTA: One common adage is that the dose makes the poison. 768 00:42:32,515 --> 00:42:35,618 That is not so straightforward with endocrine disruptors, 769 00:42:35,652 --> 00:42:37,463 because sometimes you can have different effects 770 00:42:37,487 --> 00:42:40,023 at lower levels. Sometimes more severe effects 771 00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:41,992 than you can at higher levels. 772 00:42:42,025 --> 00:42:45,529 In utero exposures are most often linked 773 00:42:45,562 --> 00:42:48,464 with some of the most severe effects that we've seen to date, 774 00:42:48,498 --> 00:42:52,069 as well as effects early in childhood. 775 00:42:52,102 --> 00:42:56,138 [children laughing] 776 00:42:56,172 --> 00:42:58,084 DR. JAMES-TODD: Children's bodies work differently. 777 00:42:58,108 --> 00:43:01,411 They're smaller; they metabolize things differently than we do. 778 00:43:01,444 --> 00:43:04,081 And their bodies are developing still. 779 00:43:04,114 --> 00:43:07,851 So when they're exposed to these endocrine disrupting chemicals 780 00:43:07,884 --> 00:43:11,655 in our personal care products, that has implications 781 00:43:11,688 --> 00:43:16,593 for that child's future health. 782 00:43:16,626 --> 00:43:19,162 What we know is that the children 783 00:43:19,195 --> 00:43:22,599 who start their periods younger are at an increased of obesity, 784 00:43:22,632 --> 00:43:24,935 cardiovascular disease, diabetes. 785 00:43:24,968 --> 00:43:26,837 And so we really believe that childhood 786 00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:29,373 could be a sensitive window of time 787 00:43:29,406 --> 00:43:33,677 by which these exposures might be particularly deleterious. 788 00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:36,346 MALE NARRATOR: Little girls like to look pretty. 789 00:43:36,379 --> 00:43:39,216 But some of Mother's good-smelling cosmetics 790 00:43:39,249 --> 00:43:41,017 might be poisonous. 791 00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:44,888 Even simple things like perfume, or nail polish 792 00:43:44,921 --> 00:43:47,624 can make you ill. 793 00:43:47,657 --> 00:43:50,727 DR. LANPHEAR: Toxins can have a lifelong impact on children. 794 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,864 We've also discovered that extremely low levels of toxins 795 00:43:53,897 --> 00:43:55,732 can impact brain development. 796 00:43:55,765 --> 00:43:59,803 DR. LANPHEAR: Joel Bocken, who's a lawyer at UBC, and a friend, 797 00:43:59,836 --> 00:44:02,705 he's written a couple books; one was called "The Corporation." 798 00:44:02,739 --> 00:44:05,475 And he was interviewing me about how different 799 00:44:05,508 --> 00:44:07,611 environmental chemicals impact children. 800 00:44:07,644 --> 00:44:09,312 Going through this litany. 801 00:44:09,345 --> 00:44:11,090 And after about five or ten minutes, he says, 802 00:44:11,114 --> 00:44:12,783 "Wait a minute, stop, stop. 803 00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:14,093 "You do this for a living, right?" 804 00:44:14,117 --> 00:44:15,619 I said yes. 805 00:44:15,652 --> 00:44:17,788 "You have kids?" Yes. 806 00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:20,656 "Can you protect your own children?" 807 00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:22,059 No way. 808 00:44:22,092 --> 00:44:24,628 There's too many. 809 00:44:24,661 --> 00:44:26,963 ♪ 810 00:44:26,996 --> 00:44:29,299 DR. BOUCHARD: I've been studying the impact 811 00:44:29,332 --> 00:44:31,902 of personal care products and also pesticides 812 00:44:31,935 --> 00:44:34,938 on children's brain development. 813 00:44:34,971 --> 00:44:37,441 A lot of chemicals out there are neurotoxicants. 814 00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:38,575 For instance, 815 00:44:38,608 --> 00:44:41,611 lead exposure is associated with ADHD, 816 00:44:41,644 --> 00:44:44,314 so Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, 817 00:44:44,347 --> 00:44:49,286 which is now quite prevalent in the population. 818 00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:52,923 It's not only chemicals, like man-made chemicals; 819 00:44:52,956 --> 00:44:56,626 there's also natural elements, natural substances... 820 00:44:56,659 --> 00:45:00,163 Like essential oils, for instance, are a big one. 821 00:45:00,196 --> 00:45:04,034 [bee buzzing] 822 00:45:04,067 --> 00:45:06,703 DR. BOUCHARD: An example is lavender oil. 823 00:45:06,736 --> 00:45:09,973 It's being used in a lot of products, 824 00:45:10,006 --> 00:45:14,377 and it's actually a pretty powerful endocrine disruptor. 825 00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:17,446 There's been case studies published of boys 826 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,551 growing breasts because of use of creams or lotions, 827 00:45:21,584 --> 00:45:24,687 or oil that were applied to their bodies. 828 00:45:24,721 --> 00:45:27,691 ♪ 829 00:45:27,724 --> 00:45:31,194 DR. DARBRE: Baby boys are very, very susceptible to exposure 830 00:45:31,227 --> 00:45:33,196 to oestrogenic compounds. 831 00:45:33,229 --> 00:45:36,700 In exposure either prior to birth, or just after birth, 832 00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:39,035 can have profound effects 833 00:45:39,068 --> 00:45:43,306 on hormonal control of reproduction in men. 834 00:45:43,339 --> 00:45:47,009 ♪ 835 00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:52,024 MYMY: These companies are telling you, "Yeah, it's gentle, 836 00:45:52,048 --> 00:45:56,720 "it's safe," and then you learn ten years down the line, 837 00:45:56,753 --> 00:45:59,823 "Oh my god, I'm infertile. Why am I infertile?" 838 00:45:59,856 --> 00:46:02,092 Or "Oh my god, I have cancer." 839 00:46:02,125 --> 00:46:03,527 Why? Where did this come from? 840 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,596 My family doesn't have cancer, no history of cancer. 841 00:46:06,629 --> 00:46:08,598 There are questions that should be raised. 842 00:46:08,631 --> 00:46:11,301 And we need to find answers. 843 00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:39,529 ALAN: My name's Alan Smith, 844 00:46:39,562 --> 00:46:43,232 and I'm a trial attorney here in Mississippi. 845 00:46:43,266 --> 00:46:47,270 I saw a blog post from a lady named Deane Berg that said, 846 00:46:47,303 --> 00:46:49,606 "I have suffered ovarian cancer. 847 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,441 "I have no risk factors 848 00:46:51,474 --> 00:46:54,377 "other than I am a lifelong genital talc user 849 00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:56,413 "that I learned from my mother." 850 00:46:56,446 --> 00:46:59,415 And I responded immediately, "I've been looking at this issue 851 00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:03,320 "for four or five years, and I will be more than happy 852 00:47:03,353 --> 00:47:06,757 "to speak with you." So that's how we started. 853 00:47:10,793 --> 00:47:12,062 WOMEN: Hi. 854 00:47:12,095 --> 00:47:13,730 DEANE: We're looking for John Sloan. 855 00:47:13,763 --> 00:47:16,066 RECEPTIONIST: Sure, one sec. 856 00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:18,635 DEANE: I'm looking forward to speaking to the Canadian women, 857 00:47:18,668 --> 00:47:22,138 because I want them too to have hope that they can fight this, 858 00:47:22,171 --> 00:47:25,908 that they can live with it, and that we're in this together. 859 00:47:25,942 --> 00:47:27,444 JOHN: Hi, I'm John. DEANE: Deane Berg. 860 00:47:27,477 --> 00:47:29,812 JOHN: Nice to meet you, Deane. Thanks for coming. 861 00:47:29,846 --> 00:47:31,423 We're the ones that actually speak with the... 862 00:47:31,447 --> 00:47:32,691 ALAN: I always called her my Erin Brockovich, 863 00:47:32,715 --> 00:47:36,753 because she was the ultimate whistleblower. 864 00:47:36,786 --> 00:47:39,189 DEANE: Why didn't this ever come out to the public? 865 00:47:39,222 --> 00:47:42,192 Why was there no notice put on baby powder? 866 00:47:42,225 --> 00:47:44,493 And why isn't this talked about, then? 867 00:47:44,527 --> 00:47:47,364 If this is one of the most deadly cancers for women, 868 00:47:47,397 --> 00:47:50,100 why isn't this brought out in the public? 869 00:47:50,133 --> 00:47:52,468 WOMAN: Hi, ladies. WOMEN: Hi. 870 00:47:52,502 --> 00:47:55,138 WOMAN: Yeah, well, I can't hear anything. 871 00:47:55,171 --> 00:47:58,375 [laughter] WOMAN: Hi, thank you. 872 00:47:58,408 --> 00:48:00,977 DEANE: I went on the National Ovarian Cancer Alliance site, 873 00:48:01,010 --> 00:48:02,545 and I just put on a blog: 874 00:48:02,578 --> 00:48:04,814 "Has anyone else developed ovarian cancer 875 00:48:04,847 --> 00:48:05,882 "from talcum powder?" 876 00:48:05,915 --> 00:48:07,984 And then Alan Smith, 877 00:48:08,017 --> 00:48:11,120 the lawyer that I ended up getting, contacted me. 878 00:48:11,154 --> 00:48:13,490 And he said, "I think you'd be the good case, 879 00:48:13,523 --> 00:48:16,192 "because they can't find anything against you." 880 00:48:16,225 --> 00:48:17,727 We started the lawsuit, 881 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,130 and then Johnson & Johnson of course tried to fight it. 882 00:48:20,163 --> 00:48:22,165 They tried to get it thrown out for this reason, 883 00:48:22,198 --> 00:48:23,799 that reason, everything. 884 00:48:23,833 --> 00:48:25,802 But the judge was a woman, thankfully, 885 00:48:25,835 --> 00:48:28,538 and she stood behind us and said, 886 00:48:28,571 --> 00:48:31,341 "No, it's gotta go to court." 887 00:48:37,747 --> 00:48:42,085 DR. CRAMER: I first published my study in 1982, 888 00:48:42,118 --> 00:48:45,388 and I did not contact Johnson & Johnson; 889 00:48:45,421 --> 00:48:49,359 they contacted me. 890 00:48:49,392 --> 00:48:51,727 Dr. Bruce Semple, who was the medical director 891 00:48:51,761 --> 00:48:53,697 of Johnson & Johnson at the time 892 00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:56,766 wanted to meet with me; came to Boston. 893 00:48:56,799 --> 00:48:59,069 I think he spent his time trying to convince me that talc 894 00:48:59,102 --> 00:49:00,437 was a harmless habit, and I said, 895 00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,205 "Well, maybe you just should consider 896 00:49:02,238 --> 00:49:04,006 "you may need to put a warning label on it, 897 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,877 "or you'll want to put a warning label on it." 898 00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:11,047 I was contacted by a little magazine called 899 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,049 Cancer Prevention for Primary Care Doctors. 900 00:49:14,083 --> 00:49:15,961 I wrote the little article about why you should warn 901 00:49:15,985 --> 00:49:18,588 your patients about talc. 902 00:49:18,621 --> 00:49:22,792 ♪ 903 00:49:22,825 --> 00:49:25,261 DR. CRAMER: Well, that caught Dr. Semple's attention again, 904 00:49:25,294 --> 00:49:27,596 and he wrote a letter. 905 00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:29,599 They encouraged me to limit 906 00:49:29,632 --> 00:49:32,268 the amount of public discussion of the topic. 907 00:49:32,301 --> 00:49:35,904 ♪ 908 00:49:35,938 --> 00:49:39,109 DR. CRAMER: I didn't have any further contact with them. 909 00:49:39,142 --> 00:49:41,611 I think they kept track of what I was studying, 910 00:49:41,644 --> 00:49:44,147 and my papers on the topic. 911 00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:46,783 ALAN: We're talking about a product named "baby powder." 912 00:49:46,816 --> 00:49:48,817 It's not just talc. 913 00:49:48,851 --> 00:49:51,721 It's 99% talc, which is carcinogenic. 914 00:49:51,754 --> 00:49:54,723 It has asbestos in it, which is carcinogenic. 915 00:49:54,757 --> 00:49:58,461 It has heavy metals in it, which are known carcinogens, 916 00:49:58,494 --> 00:50:01,664 and it has silica in it, which is a known carcinogen, 917 00:50:01,697 --> 00:50:04,501 so I liken baby powder 918 00:50:04,534 --> 00:50:08,171 as a delivery device of multiple carcinogens, 919 00:50:08,204 --> 00:50:12,675 exactly like a cigarette. 920 00:50:12,708 --> 00:50:14,978 SPEAKER: The senator from Massachusetts. 921 00:50:15,011 --> 00:50:17,313 SEN. KENNEDY: A technique that has been used 922 00:50:17,346 --> 00:50:20,950 to extract ovarian tumour material found talc particles 923 00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:23,420 in approximately 75% 924 00:50:23,453 --> 00:50:26,423 of ovarian tumours examined. 925 00:50:26,456 --> 00:50:28,992 Subsequent evaluations have appeared to support 926 00:50:29,025 --> 00:50:31,327 the contention of an association between talc 927 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,596 and ovarian carcinoma. 928 00:50:33,629 --> 00:50:37,333 ALAN: J&J, I consider as the ultimate villain 929 00:50:37,366 --> 00:50:40,136 in this situation, and I want to say clearly why. 930 00:50:40,169 --> 00:50:43,006 After we filed Deane Berg's suit in South Dakota 931 00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:47,610 in federal court, 932 00:50:47,643 --> 00:50:50,613 I sent a request for production of documents. 933 00:50:50,646 --> 00:50:54,284 My office was stacked with six, seven feet high 934 00:50:54,317 --> 00:50:57,353 of papers all around my office, 935 00:50:57,386 --> 00:51:00,290 and I went through every single piece of paper. 936 00:51:00,323 --> 00:51:03,692 ♪ 937 00:51:03,726 --> 00:51:07,363 ALAN: It was absolutely shocking internal material. 938 00:51:07,396 --> 00:51:11,868 ♪ 939 00:51:16,873 --> 00:51:19,743 ALAN: I'm talking about decades, going back to the 50s... 940 00:51:21,911 --> 00:51:26,649 60s. 941 00:51:26,682 --> 00:51:28,484 That they were seeking a replacement for talc 942 00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:33,089 in the 60s. 943 00:51:33,122 --> 00:51:36,158 And in the same document, they're admitting that talc 944 00:51:36,192 --> 00:51:39,529 cannot be safely absorbed in the vagina. 945 00:51:39,562 --> 00:51:40,873 And so they were looking for that replacement 946 00:51:40,897 --> 00:51:42,832 because of that very reason. 947 00:51:42,865 --> 00:51:44,433 They told no one. 948 00:51:44,467 --> 00:51:47,370 And then I've seen them go and use their corporate influence 949 00:51:47,403 --> 00:51:50,874 to prevent governmental regulation. 950 00:51:50,907 --> 00:51:55,445 ♪ 951 00:51:55,478 --> 00:51:58,414 ALAN: Not ever in tobacco litigation, 952 00:51:58,447 --> 00:52:02,218 in benzene litigation, not in asbestos litigation, 953 00:52:02,251 --> 00:52:05,688 has there been an email or a letter memorializing 954 00:52:05,721 --> 00:52:09,459 a conspiracy to this scale. 955 00:52:09,492 --> 00:52:12,028 They're going out and having side meetings 956 00:52:12,061 --> 00:52:14,197 with certain officials at the FDA, 957 00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:18,067 to prevent the FDA from regulating their product. 958 00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:22,404 ♪ 959 00:52:22,438 --> 00:52:26,609 ALAN: If that is not the definition of a villain, 960 00:52:26,642 --> 00:52:28,544 I don't know what is. 961 00:52:28,578 --> 00:52:30,780 TARA: With so much information available about 962 00:52:30,813 --> 00:52:32,949 everything we come in contact with, 963 00:52:32,982 --> 00:52:35,118 some true, and some not, 964 00:52:35,151 --> 00:52:37,953 it can be hard to know what to pay attention to these days. 965 00:52:37,987 --> 00:52:39,923 All of us at Johnson & Johnson 966 00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:42,659 deeply sympathize with the women and families 967 00:52:42,692 --> 00:52:45,495 impacted by this devastating disease. 968 00:52:45,528 --> 00:52:49,064 At the same time, we are guided by the science 969 00:52:49,098 --> 00:52:52,502 which supports the safety of Johnson's Baby Powder. 970 00:52:52,535 --> 00:52:56,339 DR. NESS: Talc causes ovarian cancer. 971 00:52:56,372 --> 00:52:59,808 Johnson & Johnson has known about this for decades. 972 00:52:59,842 --> 00:53:03,112 And they refuse to do anything about that. 973 00:53:03,145 --> 00:53:05,315 DEANE: So they put me through the deposition, 974 00:53:05,348 --> 00:53:07,250 and then we met out in Rapid City, 975 00:53:07,283 --> 00:53:10,787 the western part of South Dakota, and they said, 976 00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:14,958 "Well, we'll offer you 800,000." And I said, 977 00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:16,526 "Well, what about the warning label?" 978 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,027 I thought this was all part of it. 979 00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:19,596 There was gonna be a warning label, 980 00:53:19,629 --> 00:53:21,798 or the product would be taken off the market. 981 00:53:21,831 --> 00:53:23,299 No, none of that. 982 00:53:23,332 --> 00:53:25,268 And then I'd have to be silent, right? 983 00:53:25,301 --> 00:53:27,804 I went out for a walk with my husband at the time, and I said, 984 00:53:27,837 --> 00:53:29,872 you know, "We didn't do this for money." 985 00:53:29,905 --> 00:53:32,842 I said, "What about all the other women that are out there? 986 00:53:32,875 --> 00:53:34,711 "And if I just take money, 987 00:53:34,744 --> 00:53:37,213 "what good is this gonna do?" It isn't. 988 00:53:37,246 --> 00:53:38,523 So we went back in and they said, 989 00:53:38,547 --> 00:53:42,685 "Okay, 1.3 million." And I said no. 990 00:53:42,718 --> 00:53:45,020 I stood up, I said, "I'll see you in court in September," 991 00:53:45,054 --> 00:53:48,358 and walked out of the room. 992 00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,194 ♪ 993 00:53:54,196 --> 00:53:57,133 DR. DODSON: So, Silent Spring was founded over 20 years ago, 994 00:53:57,166 --> 00:53:59,402 by breast cancer activists. 995 00:54:02,405 --> 00:54:06,542 ♪ 996 00:54:06,575 --> 00:54:08,220 DR. DODSON: We were founded as an institute 997 00:54:08,244 --> 00:54:10,747 to try to study the links between the environment 998 00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:12,215 and women's health. 999 00:54:12,248 --> 00:54:18,087 ♪ 1000 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,560 DR. DODSON: I test people themselves, 1001 00:54:19,588 --> 00:54:22,525 and really trying to characterize our exposures, 1002 00:54:22,558 --> 00:54:25,094 try to develop effective strategies 1003 00:54:25,127 --> 00:54:26,729 to try to reduce those exposures. 1004 00:54:26,762 --> 00:54:29,399 ALEX: Hi, there. 1005 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:31,067 Hi Mymy, I'm Alex. MYMY: Hi. 1006 00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:32,835 I have a project here. 1007 00:54:32,868 --> 00:54:35,038 ALEX: That's great. MYMY: Hi! 1008 00:54:35,071 --> 00:54:36,448 DR. DODSON: Hi, Mymy, nice to meet you. 1009 00:54:36,472 --> 00:54:38,541 MYMY: Hi! Nice to meet you too. 1010 00:54:38,574 --> 00:54:40,118 DR. DODSON: So, thanks for coming to Silent Spring, 1011 00:54:40,142 --> 00:54:41,853 and I'm excited to tell you about our study. 1012 00:54:41,877 --> 00:54:43,746 MYMY: Yes. 1013 00:54:43,779 --> 00:54:45,214 DR. DODSON: Have a seat. 1014 00:54:45,247 --> 00:54:48,084 MYMY: Okay. 1015 00:54:48,117 --> 00:54:51,888 Basically I wanted to look at the chemical body burden 1016 00:54:51,921 --> 00:54:54,524 difference between using my normal 1017 00:54:54,557 --> 00:54:58,694 every-day products versus clean products. 1018 00:54:58,728 --> 00:55:01,364 So I actually just recently looked at... 1019 00:55:01,397 --> 00:55:03,799 Started looking at the ingredients in my shampoos, 1020 00:55:03,833 --> 00:55:06,235 and deodorants... Deodorant's a big one. 1021 00:55:06,268 --> 00:55:10,273 I keep mentioning it, but because I just use it so often, 1022 00:55:10,306 --> 00:55:13,209 and there's aluminium, and talc, 1023 00:55:13,242 --> 00:55:15,878 which I have read in studies that are... 1024 00:55:15,911 --> 00:55:19,615 That can cause breast cancer, ovarian cancer. 1025 00:55:19,648 --> 00:55:23,052 So if that's in my deodorant, then what else am I using, 1026 00:55:23,085 --> 00:55:25,588 and unknowingly causing harm? 1027 00:55:25,621 --> 00:55:28,491 What do you think is so key 1028 00:55:28,524 --> 00:55:30,125 to knowing our chemical body burden? 1029 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,795 DR. DODSON: The key here is that it... 1030 00:55:32,828 --> 00:55:34,430 We're concerned about exposures 1031 00:55:34,463 --> 00:55:36,074 during certain time periods in people's lives. 1032 00:55:36,098 --> 00:55:37,933 Right, so when a woman is pregnant, 1033 00:55:37,967 --> 00:55:40,112 we're worried about the exposure that might happen in the foetus, 1034 00:55:40,136 --> 00:55:42,772 right, we're concerned about early life exposures 1035 00:55:42,805 --> 00:55:45,841 to children, because that can affect their development. 1036 00:55:45,875 --> 00:55:49,112 But also women, whom then might be of childbearing age. 1037 00:55:49,145 --> 00:55:50,980 DR. DODSON: Here. 1038 00:55:51,013 --> 00:55:52,915 You can take a urine sample, 1039 00:55:52,948 --> 00:55:55,917 and then put it back into the kit, 1040 00:55:55,951 --> 00:55:59,088 and freeze it, and then once you've frozen it, 1041 00:55:59,121 --> 00:56:03,426 you can then send it back to us in this shipper, 1042 00:56:03,459 --> 00:56:05,428 and we pull them all together, 1043 00:56:05,461 --> 00:56:06,863 and then we send them off to the lab 1044 00:56:06,896 --> 00:56:08,264 for the chemical analysis. 1045 00:56:08,297 --> 00:56:11,033 MYMY: Yeah, no, it looks pretty self-explanatory, too. 1046 00:56:11,066 --> 00:56:12,477 DR. DODSON: Yeah. MYMY: Thank you so much. 1047 00:56:12,501 --> 00:56:13,812 DR. DODSON: You're welcome. See you later. 1048 00:56:13,836 --> 00:56:17,106 MYMY: Bye. 1049 00:56:17,139 --> 00:56:21,377 ♪ 1050 00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:25,982 MYMY: So it's day one of my experiment. 1051 00:56:26,015 --> 00:56:28,551 I'm supposed to be doing a detox day, 1052 00:56:28,584 --> 00:56:30,986 so no products at all, 1053 00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:33,356 I just took a shower with no shampoo, 1054 00:56:33,389 --> 00:56:36,058 no conditioner, no soap. 1055 00:56:36,091 --> 00:56:38,060 It was the weirdest thing ever. 1056 00:56:38,093 --> 00:56:40,997 And I'm not using any toothpaste, 1057 00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,966 and my breath's gonna smell. 1058 00:56:43,999 --> 00:56:47,669 I can't use deodorant either, and it's... 1059 00:56:47,703 --> 00:56:49,305 80 degrees outside, 1060 00:56:49,338 --> 00:56:52,909 so I gotta remember to stay at least like 1061 00:56:52,942 --> 00:56:55,711 20 feet away from everyone. 1062 00:56:55,744 --> 00:56:58,681 ♪ 1063 00:56:58,714 --> 00:57:02,051 MYMY: So I felt really dirty all the time. 1064 00:57:02,084 --> 00:57:04,854 No, I can't use soap, I can't wash my hands. 1065 00:57:04,887 --> 00:57:06,198 And people would try to talk to me, 1066 00:57:06,222 --> 00:57:07,757 and I would just look really awkward, 1067 00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:10,226 because I'd back away from people. 1068 00:57:10,259 --> 00:57:12,895 ♪ 1069 00:57:12,928 --> 00:57:14,763 MYMY: But detox for 24 hours, 1070 00:57:14,797 --> 00:57:18,067 no use of any products. 1071 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:20,102 And then after the detox period, 1072 00:57:20,135 --> 00:57:24,407 use your normal products. 1073 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,545 ♪ 1074 00:57:29,545 --> 00:57:32,849 MYMY: I never thought about the volume of the products 1075 00:57:32,882 --> 00:57:34,250 that I was using. 1076 00:57:34,283 --> 00:57:37,185 Eyebrows, lipstick, shampoo, conditioner, shaving. 1077 00:57:37,219 --> 00:57:39,522 I lost count when I was using them, 1078 00:57:39,555 --> 00:57:42,591 but I think upwards of 27 products. 1079 00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:45,228 ♪ 1080 00:57:45,261 --> 00:57:47,430 MYMY: I'm actually gonna look at every single label 1081 00:57:47,463 --> 00:57:52,235 on every product that I've used. 1082 00:57:52,268 --> 00:57:56,906 Just make a full spreadsheet of which products have what, 1083 00:57:56,939 --> 00:57:59,609 and then create categories on which ingredients 1084 00:57:59,642 --> 00:58:02,879 show up most often. 1085 00:58:02,912 --> 00:58:07,049 If I do show a really high level of chemicals, 1086 00:58:07,082 --> 00:58:09,218 I don't know, parabens, phthalates, 1087 00:58:09,251 --> 00:58:12,488 I really want to look into what disruptions 1088 00:58:12,521 --> 00:58:16,626 does this cause in my endocrine or reproductive system? 1089 00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:19,662 If I can find enough data, if I can pool enough data 1090 00:58:19,695 --> 00:58:22,665 to show that these chemicals are very harmful, 1091 00:58:22,698 --> 00:58:24,299 then I would take it even further. 1092 00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,168 And really, tell the public, 1093 00:58:26,201 --> 00:58:28,004 "Hey, this is what we're doing to our bodies, 1094 00:58:28,037 --> 00:58:29,672 "and we need to stop." 1095 00:58:29,705 --> 00:58:33,610 ♪ 1096 00:58:37,613 --> 00:58:39,649 STACY: The stories we're hearing about today, 1097 00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:43,319 about chemical pollution, about toxic plastic waste, 1098 00:58:43,352 --> 00:58:45,421 about rising rates of cancer, 1099 00:58:45,454 --> 00:58:47,757 aren't just problems that are happening out here 1100 00:58:47,790 --> 00:58:49,959 that somebody needs to deal with. 1101 00:58:49,992 --> 00:58:52,662 But they're as close to us as the choices we're making 1102 00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:54,797 every single day, about the lotions 1103 00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:56,532 that we put on our faces, 1104 00:58:56,565 --> 00:59:00,169 and the bubbles that we put in the bathtub with our children. 1105 00:59:00,202 --> 00:59:02,672 STACY: So we started the Cosmetics Campaign 1106 00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:04,140 out of a concern about 1107 00:59:04,173 --> 00:59:06,508 a particular chemical called phthalates, 1108 00:59:06,542 --> 00:59:09,278 which is linked through a long body of research 1109 00:59:09,311 --> 00:59:11,781 to reproductive birth defects, and particularly, 1110 00:59:11,814 --> 00:59:13,950 impacts on the male reproductive system. 1111 00:59:13,983 --> 00:59:16,652 We found out in the early 2000s, 1112 00:59:16,685 --> 00:59:18,554 through the Centers for Disease Control, 1113 00:59:18,587 --> 00:59:23,326 they started to analyze urine of thousands of Americans. 1114 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:25,895 Everyone is being exposed to phthalates, 1115 00:59:25,928 --> 00:59:27,964 but they found much higher levels 1116 00:59:27,997 --> 00:59:32,368 in women of child-bearing age, 20-40. 1117 00:59:32,401 --> 00:59:34,502 The researchers that I worked with had a theory, 1118 00:59:34,536 --> 00:59:36,872 it could be cosmetics. 1119 00:59:36,905 --> 00:59:41,210 So we sent 72 products to a lab... this was in 2002... 1120 00:59:41,243 --> 00:59:43,511 And found phthalates in most of them. 1121 00:59:43,545 --> 00:59:47,817 Two thirds of the products. 1122 00:59:47,850 --> 00:59:50,720 Then we reported that at a press conference, 1123 00:59:50,753 --> 00:59:53,222 we actually had a full-page ad in The New York Times. 1124 00:59:53,255 --> 00:59:55,691 The headline was, "Sexy for her. 1125 00:59:55,724 --> 01:00:00,496 "For baby, it really could be poison." 1126 01:00:00,529 --> 01:00:04,567 This was a bomb in the cosmetics industry. 1127 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,703 Nobody had been asking here, in the United States, 1128 01:00:07,736 --> 01:00:11,007 about toxic chemicals in cosmetics. 1129 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,778 SCOTT: Last week I got to spend a day on Capitol Hill 1130 01:00:15,811 --> 01:00:20,549 with a very brave little girl named Eliana. 1131 01:00:20,582 --> 01:00:25,254 Eliana lost all of her hair, even her eyelashes. 1132 01:00:25,287 --> 01:00:27,256 You can add pretty much anything to personal care, 1133 01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:28,924 in any amount. 1134 01:00:28,957 --> 01:00:32,761 And sometimes, as we saw with a popular shampoo, 1135 01:00:32,795 --> 01:00:34,597 sold by a celebrity hairstylist, 1136 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:36,565 tens of thousands of women and girls 1137 01:00:36,598 --> 01:00:40,269 lost some or all of their hair, some permanently. 1138 01:00:40,302 --> 01:00:42,371 MONICA: And I was just very, very, very shocked 1139 01:00:42,404 --> 01:00:45,775 and disappointed that this company 1140 01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:49,812 that makes so much money off of this product 1141 01:00:49,845 --> 01:00:52,580 cannot be responsible for what they've done. 1142 01:00:52,614 --> 01:00:55,751 And it's... sorry. [crying] 1143 01:00:55,784 --> 01:00:59,422 My family has just seen the worst. 1144 01:00:59,455 --> 01:01:01,090 My hair falling out, and my husband... 1145 01:01:01,123 --> 01:01:03,325 I had to make a difficult decision for him 1146 01:01:03,358 --> 01:01:06,328 to go ahead and shave my hair off. 1147 01:01:06,361 --> 01:01:08,096 [crying] Sorry. 1148 01:01:12,601 --> 01:01:14,679 PAUL: I would say it was a pretty horrific experience. 1149 01:01:14,703 --> 01:01:16,739 There's a product called "Just For Men." 1150 01:01:16,772 --> 01:01:19,075 It's their product that's used for beards. 1151 01:01:19,108 --> 01:01:20,785 COMMERCIAL: "Just For Men" hair and beard care. 1152 01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:22,311 Be the better man you are. 1153 01:01:22,344 --> 01:01:25,014 PAUL: By the time I got to bed that night around 10, 10:30, 1154 01:01:25,047 --> 01:01:26,916 the mild itchiness had progressed 1155 01:01:26,949 --> 01:01:29,118 to an unbelievable itchiness. 1156 01:01:29,151 --> 01:01:32,421 I made the decision immediately, we've gotta go over to Emerg. 1157 01:01:32,454 --> 01:01:34,790 SCOTT: There are certainly acute risks, 1158 01:01:34,823 --> 01:01:37,359 short-term risks from using personal care, 1159 01:01:37,392 --> 01:01:40,196 whether it's hair loss, or burns, 1160 01:01:40,229 --> 01:01:42,531 or contaminated products, 1161 01:01:42,564 --> 01:01:46,368 or products with too much lead, or mercury. 1162 01:01:50,706 --> 01:01:53,175 SCOTT: But there are also chronic or long-term risks 1163 01:01:53,208 --> 01:01:56,479 that have been linked to cancer, or fertility. 1164 01:01:56,512 --> 01:01:59,716 [women singing] 1165 01:02:34,216 --> 01:02:36,418 [protesters shouting] 1166 01:02:36,451 --> 01:02:40,055 SCOTT: It's hard to imagine that there are rules that limit 1167 01:02:40,088 --> 01:02:44,360 what chemicals we can spray on food, or on crops, 1168 01:02:44,393 --> 01:02:48,097 but not the chemicals we spray on ourselves every day. 1169 01:02:51,099 --> 01:02:53,702 ALEC: So a large part of my job as a formulator 1170 01:02:53,735 --> 01:02:57,773 was to constantly do reformulations. 1171 01:02:57,806 --> 01:03:01,110 Once a certain dye was thought to be... 1172 01:03:01,143 --> 01:03:05,948 Even potentially to have toxicities, 1173 01:03:05,981 --> 01:03:09,685 they wouldn't wait for it to become a regulatory matter, 1174 01:03:09,718 --> 01:03:13,589 they would be proactive in reformulation. 1175 01:03:13,622 --> 01:03:17,692 But I see bath products, and shampoos, and 3-in-1s, 1176 01:03:17,726 --> 01:03:21,096 and a lot of bath type of products for kids. 1177 01:03:21,129 --> 01:03:25,366 Which I have two nephews and a niece that I love very much. 1178 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,470 When I see their mother soaking them in this product every night 1179 01:03:28,503 --> 01:03:31,774 for hours on end, it does concern me, 1180 01:03:31,807 --> 01:03:34,109 because they're not just taking a quick shower 1181 01:03:34,142 --> 01:03:36,044 and washing it off. They're soaking in it, 1182 01:03:36,078 --> 01:03:40,583 and playing in it. 1183 01:03:40,616 --> 01:03:44,820 All women who wear any kind of deodorant, or some moisturizer, 1184 01:03:44,853 --> 01:03:48,757 is gonna have parabens in their system for the last 50 years. 1185 01:03:48,790 --> 01:03:52,127 But then the marketing department got a hold of this, 1186 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,638 and thought, "We're gonna be the first product 1187 01:03:53,662 --> 01:03:56,598 "that has no parabens," so then they substitute it 1188 01:03:56,632 --> 01:04:01,337 with another preservative: methylchloroisothiazolinone. 1189 01:04:01,370 --> 01:04:03,906 And now it's proven to be toxic. 1190 01:04:03,939 --> 01:04:08,678 ♪ 1191 01:04:20,822 --> 01:04:22,858 ROSE MARIE: I never set out to be a makeup artist. 1192 01:04:22,891 --> 01:04:25,995 I was travelling all over the world, I've lived in Paris, 1193 01:04:26,028 --> 01:04:29,298 London, Berlin, Hamburg, New York, 1194 01:04:29,331 --> 01:04:31,200 Miami, all doing makeup. 1195 01:04:31,233 --> 01:04:33,002 I did a lot of Victoria's Secret, 1196 01:04:33,035 --> 01:04:35,837 and my big thing about that was these foundations, 1197 01:04:35,871 --> 01:04:40,209 the chemicals I'm using on the girls' skin. 1198 01:04:40,242 --> 01:04:44,013 These girls are like, 18, 19 years old, they're flawless. 1199 01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:49,184 ROSE MARIE: Open... 1200 01:04:49,217 --> 01:04:50,719 ROSE MARIE: And in my 30s, 1201 01:04:50,752 --> 01:04:52,288 I started feeling really, really sick. 1202 01:04:52,321 --> 01:04:54,532 I had problems with a lot of the makeup because it was burning 1203 01:04:54,556 --> 01:04:56,659 my skin when I'd do full body makeup on the girls, 1204 01:04:56,692 --> 01:04:58,136 and I'd take it off with a makeup wipe, 1205 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,129 my arms literally would break out into a rash. 1206 01:05:01,163 --> 01:05:03,632 And I so I went and had really advanced bloodwork, 1207 01:05:03,665 --> 01:05:05,868 urine analysis, and hair analysis. 1208 01:05:05,901 --> 01:05:08,012 And when I picked that up from the lab, they said to me, 1209 01:05:08,036 --> 01:05:09,972 "Do you work in the cosmetic industry?" 1210 01:05:10,005 --> 01:05:12,016 And I was like... I was completely in shock, and I said, 1211 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,384 "How do you know that?" And they said, 1212 01:05:13,408 --> 01:05:15,386 "'Cause we see a lot of these chemicals in cosmetics, 1213 01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:18,747 "and also people that do hair." 1214 01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:21,517 So I started studying all this. 1215 01:05:21,550 --> 01:05:23,719 I got so involved in that, people were saying, 1216 01:05:23,752 --> 01:05:25,830 "Oh my god, if you put this out, you'll never work again 1217 01:05:25,854 --> 01:05:28,656 "in the industry." But surprisingly enough, 1218 01:05:28,690 --> 01:05:30,826 it catapulted me to a higher level, 1219 01:05:30,859 --> 01:05:34,096 because I was a makeup artist who had something to say. 1220 01:05:34,129 --> 01:05:38,033 ♪ 1221 01:05:38,066 --> 01:05:41,602 ♪ 1222 01:05:41,636 --> 01:05:44,406 ALAN: It all started 17, 18 years ago, 1223 01:05:44,439 --> 01:05:46,008 back when my wife and I, 1224 01:05:46,041 --> 01:05:50,079 Karen, started planning a family. 1225 01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:53,349 You always think about your kids, your future kids. 1226 01:05:53,382 --> 01:05:55,751 And at that time, Karen's a biochemist, 1227 01:05:55,784 --> 01:05:58,120 was actually working in pesticides. 1228 01:05:58,153 --> 01:06:02,957 Myself, a microbiologist, I was working in pharmaceuticals. 1229 01:06:02,991 --> 01:06:04,569 You know, sometimes, it's a little bit of pesticides 1230 01:06:04,593 --> 01:06:05,970 that you're ingesting; it's a little bit 1231 01:06:05,994 --> 01:06:08,697 of the chemical floor cleaner that you're smelling. 1232 01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:10,541 It's a little bit of the cream that you're putting on, 1233 01:06:10,565 --> 01:06:12,201 or that... you know, an anti-perspirant 1234 01:06:12,234 --> 01:06:13,769 with chemical whatever, you know? 1235 01:06:13,802 --> 01:06:15,442 I just thought, "You know what, I got it." 1236 01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:18,774 So I quit, and I decided to do this full time. 1237 01:06:20,842 --> 01:06:24,446 ALAN: Bonjour, bonjour. [speaking French] 1238 01:06:24,479 --> 01:06:26,424 ALAN: I'm starting to feel like it's turning around, 1239 01:06:26,448 --> 01:06:28,493 that it won't be long, actually there'll be more people 1240 01:06:28,517 --> 01:06:33,221 using natural products than there are using chemicals. 1241 01:06:33,255 --> 01:06:36,992 ♪ 1242 01:06:37,025 --> 01:06:39,728 ALAN: What I found out was that these companies 1243 01:06:39,761 --> 01:06:41,964 that now were promoting, and were being very proud 1244 01:06:41,997 --> 01:06:43,598 to tell you that they care about you, 1245 01:06:43,632 --> 01:06:45,834 and that they weren't using parabens anymore, 1246 01:06:45,867 --> 01:06:48,737 actually went back to a preservative 1247 01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:50,839 that was actually very popular back in like, 1248 01:06:50,872 --> 01:06:54,308 the 1950s, called formaldehyde. 1249 01:06:54,342 --> 01:06:56,745 So they're using formaldehyde, 1250 01:06:56,778 --> 01:06:59,848 but they weren't naming it formaldehyde on the product. 1251 01:06:59,881 --> 01:07:02,183 Formaldehyde is a fantastic preservative, 1252 01:07:02,217 --> 01:07:03,585 I mean, it kills everything, right? 1253 01:07:03,618 --> 01:07:06,154 So companies develop these slow-release 1254 01:07:06,188 --> 01:07:08,824 formulations of formaldehyde. 1255 01:07:08,857 --> 01:07:11,927 And as such, they were able to give it a new name. 1256 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,263 ♪ 1257 01:07:14,296 --> 01:07:16,165 So they can change a name, so they can dupe you 1258 01:07:16,198 --> 01:07:19,535 so that you won't know that it's formaldehyde in the products. 1259 01:07:19,568 --> 01:07:22,204 And that kind of stuff does happen; this is real life. 1260 01:07:22,237 --> 01:07:25,340 And it's still happening today, unfortunately. 1261 01:07:25,373 --> 01:07:28,010 ♪ 1262 01:07:28,043 --> 01:07:30,112 SALESWOMAN: What kind of stuff do you currently use? 1263 01:07:30,145 --> 01:07:33,015 MYMY: Okay, so, I do the whole thing. 1264 01:07:33,048 --> 01:07:34,450 SALESWOMAN: Okay. MYMY: I do... 1265 01:07:34,483 --> 01:07:36,552 I do the moisturizers; I've got Neutrogena. 1266 01:07:36,585 --> 01:07:38,020 SALESWOMAN: Okay. 1267 01:07:38,053 --> 01:07:40,788 MYMY: Um, a primer, face full coverage foundation. 1268 01:07:40,822 --> 01:07:42,057 SALESWOMAN: Okay. 1269 01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:44,059 MYMY: Any concealers; like, a setting spray. 1270 01:07:44,092 --> 01:07:45,494 SALESWOMAN: Yeah. 1271 01:07:45,527 --> 01:07:47,963 MYMY: I use anything on my eyes, face, lips. 1272 01:07:47,996 --> 01:07:50,966 SALESWOMAN: The works. MYMY: Yeah. 1273 01:07:50,999 --> 01:07:52,901 MYMY: I found different clean products 1274 01:07:52,934 --> 01:07:57,239 for every single item that I had. 1275 01:07:57,272 --> 01:08:01,509 And then I put on my clean products. 1276 01:08:01,543 --> 01:08:04,580 ♪ 1277 01:08:09,584 --> 01:08:11,854 MYMY: And then then do another urine sample 1278 01:08:11,887 --> 01:08:15,757 with the clean products. 1279 01:08:15,790 --> 01:08:17,326 MYMY: [phone beeps] Hey, it's Mymy. 1280 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,094 I wanted to give you the other 1281 01:08:19,127 --> 01:08:22,397 chemical body burden test kit. 1282 01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:26,068 I can find a way to drop it off with you later. 1283 01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,403 Okay, bye, talk to you soon. [phone beeps] 1284 01:08:29,437 --> 01:08:33,108 ♪ 1285 01:08:37,245 --> 01:08:39,348 REPORTER: Today we begin with a possible health risk 1286 01:08:39,381 --> 01:08:43,018 involving one of the most trusted products, baby powder. 1287 01:08:43,051 --> 01:08:44,795 REPORTER 2: Deane Berg is one of the more than 1288 01:08:44,819 --> 01:08:47,689 20,000 women in the US who are diagnosed 1289 01:08:47,721 --> 01:08:49,791 with ovarian cancer each year. 1290 01:08:49,823 --> 01:08:51,559 DR. CRAMER: Alan tells me the story 1291 01:08:51,593 --> 01:08:53,394 that the lawyer for the defence said, 1292 01:08:53,428 --> 01:08:54,906 "You've got about a one in a million chance 1293 01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:56,131 "of winning this." 1294 01:08:56,163 --> 01:08:58,133 DEANE: One person versus 1295 01:08:58,166 --> 01:09:00,302 a humongous pharmaceutical company. 1296 01:09:00,335 --> 01:09:03,404 REPORTER: They became the first to file a talc lawsuit 1297 01:09:03,438 --> 01:09:06,642 against Johnson & Johnson, and its talc supplier. 1298 01:09:06,675 --> 01:09:08,777 ALAN: It was truly David versus Goliath. 1299 01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:11,880 They had 20 or 30 lawyers on their side, and it was me. 1300 01:09:11,912 --> 01:09:14,750 DARREN: The science, as the FDA sees it, 1301 01:09:14,783 --> 01:09:18,220 simply does not merit such a warning at this time. 1302 01:09:18,252 --> 01:09:20,164 DR. NESS: And they just keep coming back at us with, 1303 01:09:20,188 --> 01:09:22,491 oh my gosh, more and more crack legal teams. 1304 01:09:22,524 --> 01:09:24,326 They are really swift. 1305 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,928 REPORTER: The FDA also did say, though, 1306 01:09:25,961 --> 01:09:28,497 the growing body of evidence to support a possible 1307 01:09:28,529 --> 01:09:31,567 association between genital talc exposure 1308 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,137 and serious ovarian cancer is difficult to dismiss. 1309 01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:36,205 DARREN: God bless 'em. 1310 01:09:38,473 --> 01:09:40,309 DEANE: So it went to court in September. 1311 01:09:40,341 --> 01:09:44,446 And that was probably one of the hardest weeks I ever had. 1312 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,481 BART: The truth, as we will show you 1313 01:09:46,514 --> 01:09:49,418 over the next three weeks or so, 1314 01:09:49,451 --> 01:09:51,819 is that Johnson's Baby Powder, 1315 01:09:51,853 --> 01:09:56,258 which has been sold to millions of people around the world 1316 01:09:56,291 --> 01:10:00,295 for over 100 years, are absolutely safe, 1317 01:10:00,328 --> 01:10:03,131 do not cause ovarian cancer. 1318 01:10:03,164 --> 01:10:06,034 There have been no studies saying that it does. 1319 01:10:06,067 --> 01:10:08,770 DEANE: They put up big poster boards 1320 01:10:08,803 --> 01:10:11,440 of women's internal organs. 1321 01:10:11,473 --> 01:10:14,643 And they talked about sperm going up the vagina, 1322 01:10:14,676 --> 01:10:18,046 and then it was how talcum powder couldn't do this, 1323 01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:20,983 because, you know, how could it ever get up inside of a woman? 1324 01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:26,288 DR. CRAMER: I don't think women need a lesson about the anatomy, 1325 01:10:26,321 --> 01:10:31,193 but just as sperm can track up, and just as the egg, fertilized, 1326 01:10:31,226 --> 01:10:35,130 can track down, it's pretty easy for a particle like talc 1327 01:10:35,163 --> 01:10:38,032 to track through the genital area. 1328 01:10:38,066 --> 01:10:40,902 DEANE: And they had slides of my ovarian tissue, 1329 01:10:40,935 --> 01:10:44,706 with purple spots where there was talcum all through it. 1330 01:10:44,739 --> 01:10:48,643 Johnson & Johnson had doctors that testified against me. 1331 01:10:48,677 --> 01:10:52,313 One doctor even laughed, "She's lucky to be alive." 1332 01:10:52,347 --> 01:10:54,683 BART: You are in fact going to learn in this case 1333 01:10:54,716 --> 01:10:57,386 that the hard science studies actually show 1334 01:10:57,419 --> 01:11:01,490 that talc kills cancerous cells, 1335 01:11:01,523 --> 01:11:03,692 and leaves normal cells alone. 1336 01:11:03,725 --> 01:11:06,194 DEANE: Finally the jury came back in, 1337 01:11:06,227 --> 01:11:08,205 and the Johnson & Johnson lawyers are sitting there 1338 01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:10,565 smiling ear to ear with their notebooks all open, 1339 01:11:10,598 --> 01:11:15,504 and they said, guilty. 1340 01:11:15,537 --> 01:11:18,774 The whole courtroom went silent. 1341 01:11:18,807 --> 01:11:22,376 And then they said, and reward to the plaintiff, zero. 1342 01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:25,880 ♪ 1343 01:11:25,914 --> 01:11:28,250 DEANE: I've never heard of a case where a person has been 1344 01:11:28,283 --> 01:11:31,053 found guilty in a civil lawsuit, 1345 01:11:31,086 --> 01:11:34,222 and then the plaintiff gets awarded nothing. 1346 01:11:34,255 --> 01:11:36,367 There were some men on the jury that I think didn't believe 1347 01:11:36,391 --> 01:11:38,602 a lot of it, and then the women that were there on the jury 1348 01:11:38,626 --> 01:11:40,929 made a deal with them to give a guilty plea, 1349 01:11:40,962 --> 01:11:43,131 but then no reward. 1350 01:11:43,164 --> 01:11:45,409 ALAN: Forget the money, because it was never about the money 1351 01:11:45,433 --> 01:11:46,735 to Ms. Berg. 1352 01:11:46,768 --> 01:11:48,570 Otherwise, she would've settled her case. 1353 01:11:48,603 --> 01:11:50,872 What was very important, and what was the... 1354 01:11:50,905 --> 01:11:54,076 Of ultimate importance to her was the public 1355 01:11:54,109 --> 01:11:58,880 seeing the verdict that 12 jurors unanimously said, 1356 01:11:58,913 --> 01:12:01,249 in her home state of South Dakota, 1357 01:12:01,282 --> 01:12:03,160 that Johnson & Johnson should have placed a warning 1358 01:12:03,184 --> 01:12:05,220 on their product about ovarian cancer, 1359 01:12:05,253 --> 01:12:08,156 and that her genital use of that product 1360 01:12:08,189 --> 01:12:10,258 contributed to cause her ovarian cancer. 1361 01:12:10,291 --> 01:12:12,394 DR. NESS: I believe that part of the reason 1362 01:12:12,427 --> 01:12:16,098 that Johnson & Johnson now is fighting this so hard, 1363 01:12:16,131 --> 01:12:20,402 is there are thousands of women around the country 1364 01:12:20,435 --> 01:12:23,305 who have joined in class action suits, 1365 01:12:23,338 --> 01:12:24,840 both here and in Canada. 1366 01:12:24,873 --> 01:12:27,808 I still remember my first case. 1367 01:12:27,842 --> 01:12:30,144 Her last name was Fox. 1368 01:12:51,366 --> 01:12:55,437 DR. NESS: She actually died fairly shortly before the trial. 1369 01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:59,374 ♪ 1370 01:12:59,407 --> 01:13:01,009 JACKIE: That's a big girl, 1371 01:13:01,042 --> 01:13:02,344 are you a big girl? GIRL: Yeah. 1372 01:13:02,377 --> 01:13:03,845 JACKIE: You wanna teach me how? 1373 01:13:03,878 --> 01:13:05,514 GIRL: Yeah. JACKIE: Alright! 1374 01:13:05,547 --> 01:13:06,815 You're gonna make it. 1375 01:13:06,848 --> 01:13:09,351 MAN: You counting? JACKIE: [laughs] 1376 01:13:29,003 --> 01:13:30,247 REPORTER: In a landmark decision, 1377 01:13:30,271 --> 01:13:32,706 a St. Louis jury ruled that Johnson & Johnson 1378 01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:35,143 must pay $72 million, 1379 01:13:35,176 --> 01:13:38,146 including 62 million in punitive damages 1380 01:13:38,179 --> 01:13:40,148 to the family of an Alabama woman 1381 01:13:40,181 --> 01:13:42,517 who died from ovarian cancer. 1382 01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:44,319 MARVIN: Her whole fight 1383 01:13:44,352 --> 01:13:48,389 was for... not just for her. 1384 01:13:48,423 --> 01:13:51,893 But so many other women. 1385 01:13:51,926 --> 01:13:54,129 ♪ 1386 01:13:57,565 --> 01:13:59,901 JOEL: Verdicts started to come out of the United States. 1387 01:13:59,934 --> 01:14:04,206 There was a $72-million verdict against Johnson & Johnson 1388 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:08,442 in relation to a woman who had developed ovarian cancer. 1389 01:14:08,476 --> 01:14:11,179 We'd been approached by victims, women, 1390 01:14:11,212 --> 01:14:13,682 who used Johnson & Johnson Baby Powder 1391 01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:16,051 over a long period of time. 1392 01:14:16,084 --> 01:14:20,054 And these women had developed ovarian cancer. 1393 01:14:20,088 --> 01:14:23,692 JOEL: I know it takes a lot of courage to come forward, 1394 01:14:23,725 --> 01:14:26,628 and kind of talk about what's happened to you. 1395 01:14:26,661 --> 01:14:30,532 And so we really appreciate you being here, and sharing this. 1396 01:14:30,565 --> 01:14:32,968 CAROL ANN: As you said, Deane, it's embarrassing 1397 01:14:33,001 --> 01:14:35,770 to tell your story sometimes. 1398 01:14:35,803 --> 01:14:39,107 And one, for judgement of others, and two, 1399 01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:42,811 because you think, oh no, I did something wrong to myself. 1400 01:14:42,844 --> 01:14:45,447 I don't want any more people 1401 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,884 to have to go through what we've just talked about. 1402 01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:50,819 I don't want anybody to have the option 1403 01:14:50,852 --> 01:14:54,122 to buy that on the shelf today. 1404 01:14:54,155 --> 01:14:58,160 ♪ 1405 01:15:03,164 --> 01:15:04,432 JOEL: Hello, Shaeda. SHAEDA: Hi. 1406 01:15:04,465 --> 01:15:05,834 JOEL: Hi, welcome. Good to see you. 1407 01:15:05,867 --> 01:15:08,570 SHAEDA: Thank you. JOEL: Please grab a seat. 1408 01:15:08,603 --> 01:15:12,641 ♪ 1409 01:15:12,674 --> 01:15:15,510 JOEL: But here we have this situation where 1410 01:15:15,543 --> 01:15:19,147 had J&J simply warned of this risk, 1411 01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:23,118 none of these people potentially would've had ovarian cancer. 1412 01:15:23,151 --> 01:15:24,686 DEANE: Stand strong. 1413 01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:29,291 You know, just look 'em face to face, and don't shed a tear. 1414 01:15:29,324 --> 01:15:33,027 And they will try to make you look weak, 1415 01:15:33,061 --> 01:15:35,297 that you're just complaining, 1416 01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:38,166 that this really wasn't as bad as it appeared to be, 1417 01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:42,370 and if we stand together as women, we can do this. 1418 01:15:42,403 --> 01:15:45,473 [inaudible conversation] 1419 01:15:45,506 --> 01:15:49,511 ♪ 1420 01:15:49,544 --> 01:15:51,488 CAROL ANN: Nice meeting you. DEANE: Nice meeting you, too. 1421 01:15:51,512 --> 01:15:53,048 Thank you for your story. 1422 01:15:53,081 --> 01:15:54,892 CAROL ANN: Oh, thank you for all of your support, 1423 01:15:54,916 --> 01:15:56,818 and being the pioneer. 1424 01:15:56,851 --> 01:15:58,729 DEANE: Oh, you're welcome. WOMAN: So nice to meet you. 1425 01:15:58,753 --> 01:16:00,188 Thank you so much for coming. 1426 01:16:00,221 --> 01:16:04,526 DEANE: I feel good as a women, as a whistleblower. 1427 01:16:04,559 --> 01:16:06,361 I opened this up to the public 1428 01:16:06,394 --> 01:16:08,830 to try to help prevent other women from getting 1429 01:16:08,863 --> 01:16:11,199 ovarian cancer and suffering the way I did, 1430 01:16:11,232 --> 01:16:12,667 and other women have. 1431 01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:15,303 I know I didn't get any money for it, 1432 01:16:15,336 --> 01:16:17,839 but as I said to my husband, I have my life. 1433 01:16:17,872 --> 01:16:21,910 I'm still alive 11 years later, after having ovarian cancer, 1434 01:16:21,943 --> 01:16:26,047 and no money can be awarded for that. 1435 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,751 ♪ 1436 01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:34,188 DR. CRAMER: This is not a healthful habit. 1437 01:16:34,222 --> 01:16:35,690 It is a harmful one, 1438 01:16:35,723 --> 01:16:38,560 and you should not use these products. 1439 01:16:38,593 --> 01:16:40,595 It will get into the pelvic cavity, 1440 01:16:40,628 --> 01:16:42,864 it may cause problems, 1441 01:16:42,897 --> 01:16:46,067 and in some cases it will cause ovarian cancer. 1442 01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:50,038 JOEL: Historically, men run these large corporations. 1443 01:16:50,071 --> 01:16:53,742 And here we are promoting you know, as men, 1444 01:16:53,775 --> 01:16:56,945 this product to women, to use, 1445 01:16:56,978 --> 01:17:00,715 and for families to use. 1446 01:17:00,748 --> 01:17:04,553 ♪ 1447 01:17:08,056 --> 01:17:10,290 ALEX: Now, as chairman and CEO of this company, 1448 01:17:10,324 --> 01:17:13,794 I take this personally, and very seriously. 1449 01:17:13,828 --> 01:17:16,097 And I know that many of you do too. 1450 01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:19,234 Now, I want to repeat, reiterate, and reinforce. 1451 01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:23,237 J&J's Baby Powder is safe, and does not cause cancer. 1452 01:17:23,271 --> 01:17:25,440 Studies of tens of thousands of women, 1453 01:17:25,473 --> 01:17:27,275 and thousands of men show 1454 01:17:27,308 --> 01:17:29,210 that talc does not cause cancer, 1455 01:17:29,243 --> 01:17:31,279 or asbestos-related disease. 1456 01:17:31,312 --> 01:17:34,749 J&J's Baby Powder has never contained asbestos. 1457 01:17:34,782 --> 01:17:36,618 Regulators have tested both, 1458 01:17:36,651 --> 01:17:39,187 and they have always found our talc to be asbestos-free. 1459 01:17:42,957 --> 01:17:44,092 Now, at the end of the day, 1460 01:17:44,125 --> 01:17:47,095 this is about truth and integrity. 1461 01:17:47,128 --> 01:17:50,130 We are confident in the safety of Johnson's Baby Powder, 1462 01:17:50,164 --> 01:17:52,767 and we stand behind our products. 1463 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,170 ALAN: They are putting blinders on 1464 01:17:55,203 --> 01:17:59,240 to all the devastation and disease that they're causing, 1465 01:17:59,273 --> 01:18:01,943 for the benefit of protecting a corporate image 1466 01:18:01,976 --> 01:18:03,644 of a mother and baby, and a product 1467 01:18:03,678 --> 01:18:05,480 that started the company. 1468 01:18:05,513 --> 01:18:08,083 And to me, that is the ultimate sin. 1469 01:18:08,116 --> 01:18:10,318 DR. NESS: How many more women will be impacted? 1470 01:18:10,351 --> 01:18:14,589 Well, millions. 1471 01:18:14,622 --> 01:18:17,859 While this drags on for ten years, more. 1472 01:18:17,892 --> 01:18:20,260 And J&J will keep it in the courts 1473 01:18:20,294 --> 01:18:23,298 as long as they possibly can. 1474 01:18:23,331 --> 01:18:28,070 ♪ 1475 01:18:43,084 --> 01:18:44,719 MEL: A few months ago, my doctor said 1476 01:18:44,752 --> 01:18:49,057 I had no more than six months. 1477 01:18:49,090 --> 01:18:53,862 I was told in around March or April. 1478 01:18:53,895 --> 01:18:55,731 And here we are, July. 1479 01:19:00,368 --> 01:19:03,204 I have such a love for children, 1480 01:19:03,237 --> 01:19:07,909 I wonder if... 1481 01:19:07,942 --> 01:19:11,113 this was the reason why I couldn't have any, as well. 1482 01:19:14,081 --> 01:19:16,417 My nephew, Aidan, 1483 01:19:16,450 --> 01:19:19,354 he's the love of my life. 1484 01:19:19,387 --> 01:19:23,090 I would have liked to see him grow up a little more. 1485 01:19:23,124 --> 01:19:27,228 The thing that hit me very profoundly was that 1486 01:19:27,261 --> 01:19:29,764 I started having days recently where the only thing 1487 01:19:29,797 --> 01:19:33,901 I was looking forward to is taking a strong sleeping pill, 1488 01:19:33,935 --> 01:19:36,938 and just sleeping at night, because that would be 1489 01:19:36,971 --> 01:19:40,441 the only time that I'm not hurting, 1490 01:19:40,474 --> 01:19:45,180 and not in pain, so what's the purpose of... 1491 01:19:45,213 --> 01:19:47,447 living if all you're looking forward to is 1492 01:19:47,481 --> 01:19:52,219 going to sleep in the evening? 1493 01:19:52,253 --> 01:19:54,389 What's the point 1494 01:19:54,422 --> 01:19:57,625 if you're not able to... 1495 01:19:57,658 --> 01:20:00,929 function, not able to serve, 1496 01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:03,398 not able to... 1497 01:20:03,431 --> 01:20:06,300 do anything? 1498 01:20:08,803 --> 01:20:11,039 I live on faith. 1499 01:20:11,072 --> 01:20:14,042 The name of my street is Faith. 1500 01:20:14,075 --> 01:20:17,979 ♪ 1501 01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:37,165 RACHEL: We have to remember that children born today 1502 01:20:37,198 --> 01:20:40,602 are exposed to these chemicals from birth, 1503 01:20:40,635 --> 01:20:42,971 perhaps even before birth. 1504 01:20:43,004 --> 01:20:46,474 Now, what is going to happen to them in adult life 1505 01:20:46,507 --> 01:20:49,277 as a result of that exposure? 1506 01:20:49,310 --> 01:20:52,814 We simply don't know. 1507 01:20:52,847 --> 01:20:55,750 Unless we do bring these chemicals under better control, 1508 01:20:55,783 --> 01:20:58,987 we are certainly headed for disaster. 1509 01:21:10,531 --> 01:21:11,799 DR. DODSON: Hey! MYMY: Hi! 1510 01:21:11,832 --> 01:21:13,443 DR. DODSON: Come on in! MYMY: Hi, how are you? 1511 01:21:13,467 --> 01:21:14,811 DR. DODSON: It's so good to see you! 1512 01:21:14,835 --> 01:21:16,104 MYMY: Yes, very good to see you. 1513 01:21:16,137 --> 01:21:17,605 DR. DODSON: Thanks for coming again. 1514 01:21:17,638 --> 01:21:19,283 So, how are you doing? MYMY: I'm good, I'm good. 1515 01:21:19,307 --> 01:21:20,441 DR. DODSON: Yeah? 1516 01:21:20,474 --> 01:21:22,877 MYMY: Yeah, it's been a good summer. 1517 01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:24,379 DR. DODSON: Good. You've been busy? 1518 01:21:24,412 --> 01:21:26,614 MYMY: Yeah, but I've gotta go back to school. 1519 01:21:26,647 --> 01:21:27,715 DR. DODSON: Yeah. 1520 01:21:27,748 --> 01:21:28,859 MYMY: I was just looking at this. 1521 01:21:28,883 --> 01:21:30,617 Who's Rachel Carson? 1522 01:21:30,651 --> 01:21:32,987 DR. DODSON: Rachel Carson was really one of the first 1523 01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:35,490 female environmentalists. 1524 01:21:35,523 --> 01:21:38,793 ♪ 1525 01:21:38,826 --> 01:21:41,362 DR. DODSON: She wrote this book, in 1962 it came out, 1526 01:21:41,395 --> 01:21:45,333 called "Silent Spring." 1527 01:21:45,366 --> 01:21:47,468 And that's how we're named. 1528 01:21:47,501 --> 01:21:50,305 She was really calling attention to the impact 1529 01:21:50,338 --> 01:21:53,041 of chemicals particularly on the ecosystems. 1530 01:21:53,074 --> 01:21:55,052 But as part of that she was testifying before Congress. 1531 01:21:55,076 --> 01:21:57,578 RACHEL: That's an indication 1532 01:21:57,611 --> 01:22:00,848 to warn the consumer 1533 01:22:00,881 --> 01:22:04,886 that he is buying and using a very hazardous substance. 1534 01:22:04,919 --> 01:22:09,057 So many people write to me, and so many people telephone me, 1535 01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:12,360 and say, "Well, I had no idea that this stuff that I was using 1536 01:22:12,393 --> 01:22:14,762 "was dangerous in any way." 1537 01:22:14,795 --> 01:22:16,340 DR. DODSON: At the time she was testifying, 1538 01:22:16,364 --> 01:22:19,701 she was actually battling breast cancer. 1539 01:22:19,734 --> 01:22:22,870 And so here's a woman who actually was 1540 01:22:22,903 --> 01:22:25,039 affected by breast cancer, and an environmentalist. 1541 01:22:25,072 --> 01:22:27,008 And so that's why we're named in her honour. 1542 01:22:27,041 --> 01:22:28,409 MYMY: Amazing. DR. DODSON: Yeah. 1543 01:22:28,442 --> 01:22:29,577 She's an inspiration. 1544 01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:31,612 [laughs] 1545 01:22:31,645 --> 01:22:34,015 Yeah, so we have your results. 1546 01:22:34,048 --> 01:22:35,592 You know, I think this is a great opportunity 1547 01:22:35,616 --> 01:22:37,085 to kind of walk through them, 1548 01:22:37,118 --> 01:22:38,386 ask any questions. MYMY: Okay. 1549 01:22:38,419 --> 01:22:39,763 DR. DODSON: We have the Day One morning, 1550 01:22:39,787 --> 01:22:41,422 Day One evening, 1551 01:22:41,455 --> 01:22:43,891 so that's your first day of regular product use. 1552 01:22:43,924 --> 01:22:47,028 Then we have Day Two morning, and Day Two evening; 1553 01:22:47,061 --> 01:22:48,763 that's the alternative product use. 1554 01:22:48,796 --> 01:22:51,366 So you can see here, right, if this is the 95 percentile 1555 01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:53,634 of most... of the national level, 1556 01:22:53,667 --> 01:22:56,471 you are above the 95th percent. 1557 01:23:00,474 --> 01:23:02,543 So you have higher levels than most Americans 1558 01:23:02,576 --> 01:23:07,081 in at least three of your samples here. 1559 01:23:07,114 --> 01:23:09,416 Your samples, actually, all four of them had higher levels 1560 01:23:09,450 --> 01:23:11,486 of MEP, which is a mono-ethyl phthalate, 1561 01:23:11,519 --> 01:23:13,263 which is one of the phthalates that's typically used 1562 01:23:13,287 --> 01:23:15,223 in personal care products. 1563 01:23:15,256 --> 01:23:17,267 Now, these are... and I'm gonna just show you kind of 1564 01:23:17,291 --> 01:23:18,793 the phthalates that we looked at. 1565 01:23:18,826 --> 01:23:21,004 So you can see the skewness, how quickly you can jump up. 1566 01:23:21,028 --> 01:23:23,731 You go from the morning sample, to boom, 1567 01:23:23,764 --> 01:23:25,133 to the evening sample. MYMY: Yeah. 1568 01:23:27,535 --> 01:23:30,471 MYMY: This was me putting on normally 1569 01:23:30,504 --> 01:23:33,974 what I would put on to go out. 1570 01:23:34,008 --> 01:23:36,844 ♪ 1571 01:23:36,877 --> 01:23:38,288 DR. DODSON: There was another day, right, 1572 01:23:38,312 --> 01:23:40,424 where you avoided parabens and phthalates for a couple days 1573 01:23:40,448 --> 01:23:42,750 but then kind of used different products, 1574 01:23:42,783 --> 01:23:45,286 or alternative products, right? It's not as much so. 1575 01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,155 Right, in fact, the levels kind of go down. 1576 01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:48,932 I think it's probably just almost like noise; 1577 01:23:48,956 --> 01:23:50,367 these are probably kind of equivalent. 1578 01:23:50,391 --> 01:23:51,526 MYMY: Yeah, this is good, 1579 01:23:51,559 --> 01:23:53,861 because this is the alternative products. 1580 01:23:53,894 --> 01:23:55,763 All the clean products are clean. 1581 01:23:55,796 --> 01:23:57,465 DR. DODSON: So you were able to find them. 1582 01:23:57,498 --> 01:23:58,909 MYMY: Yeah. DR. DODSON: Yeah, to be clean. 1583 01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:01,502 That's great. That's good news. 1584 01:24:01,535 --> 01:24:03,871 MYMY: My MEP levels were higher 1585 01:24:03,904 --> 01:24:06,808 than 95% of Americans, though. 1586 01:24:06,841 --> 01:24:10,511 Which is scary to me because I don't know what that means 1587 01:24:10,544 --> 01:24:13,714 for my body; I don't know if it's already done damage. 1588 01:24:13,747 --> 01:24:16,017 I don't know if I could reverse this damage. 1589 01:24:16,050 --> 01:24:17,785 Where do I go from here? 1590 01:24:17,818 --> 01:24:21,289 Fertility is my concern, cancer is my concern. 1591 01:24:21,322 --> 01:24:24,058 ♪ 1592 01:24:24,091 --> 01:24:27,896 MTMT: I mean, it scares me. 1593 01:24:33,901 --> 01:24:35,579 WOMAN: Well, it's nearly time for your next class, 1594 01:24:35,603 --> 01:24:37,338 so I must stop talking, 1595 01:24:37,371 --> 01:24:39,474 but there's one more thing that I'd like to say. 1596 01:24:39,507 --> 01:24:42,910 You will be prettier, you will be more popular. 1597 01:24:42,943 --> 01:24:45,546 Good grooming will pay dividends to each and every one of you. 1598 01:24:45,579 --> 01:24:49,049 [applause] 1599 01:24:49,083 --> 01:24:52,887 ♪ 1600 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,691 DR. ZOTA: Let's try to change these beauty norms, 1601 01:24:56,724 --> 01:25:00,194 so that women don't have to choose between their health, 1602 01:25:00,227 --> 01:25:03,364 and trying to look beautiful 1603 01:25:03,397 --> 01:25:06,667 according to these arbitrary standards. 1604 01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:10,338 ♪ 1605 01:25:10,371 --> 01:25:15,376 [crowd chattering] 1606 01:25:15,409 --> 01:25:18,713 MYMY: This whole experiment, the prospects of it, 1607 01:25:18,746 --> 01:25:21,349 I think it will definitely cascade into something 1608 01:25:21,382 --> 01:25:23,584 a lot larger than just one person doing 1609 01:25:23,617 --> 01:25:26,287 a chemical body burden. 1610 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,123 [indistinct speaker] 1611 01:25:29,156 --> 01:25:32,693 MYMY: Maybe by me speaking out, there will be a change. 1612 01:25:32,726 --> 01:25:37,231 ANNOUNCER: Michael No... Mymy Nguyen... 1613 01:25:37,264 --> 01:25:39,967 Filomena Ouanze[?]... 1614 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,039 Abagail Olson... Ardeep Pulani. 1615 01:25:45,072 --> 01:25:47,575 MYMY: The current idea of beauty is socialized. 1616 01:25:47,608 --> 01:25:51,045 [crowd applause] 1617 01:25:51,078 --> 01:25:54,282 MYMY: And I don't want people to feel a lack of self-confidence, 1618 01:25:54,315 --> 01:25:56,817 or lower self esteem just because 1619 01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:00,288 they don't look like someone they see on TV. 1620 01:26:00,321 --> 01:26:03,758 ♪ 1621 01:26:03,791 --> 01:26:05,993 [laughter] 1622 01:26:06,026 --> 01:26:07,771 MYMY: I don't think it's wrong to dye your hair 1623 01:26:07,795 --> 01:26:09,564 and feel beautiful. 1624 01:26:09,597 --> 01:26:11,499 It's not wrong that people use makeup. 1625 01:26:11,532 --> 01:26:14,635 They just need a safer alternative to makeup. 1626 01:26:14,668 --> 01:26:17,004 ♪ 1627 01:26:17,037 --> 01:26:19,006 MYMY: We're gonna take pictures outside. 1628 01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:22,175 Alright! [laughs] 1629 01:26:22,209 --> 01:26:24,144 Oh my... oh my god! 1630 01:26:24,178 --> 01:26:27,848 MYMY: I should be confident knowing that I look this way, 1631 01:26:27,881 --> 01:26:29,417 but I'm not harming myself. 1632 01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:31,117 DAD: Three, two... 1633 01:26:31,151 --> 01:26:32,787 MYMY: No! [laughs] 1634 01:26:32,820 --> 01:26:35,089 DAD: Oh, that's a nice one, that's a good one! 1635 01:26:35,122 --> 01:26:37,158 MYMY: Sorry. 1636 01:26:37,191 --> 01:26:41,495 It's like, um... 1637 01:26:41,528 --> 01:26:44,432 [sighs] 1638 01:26:44,465 --> 01:26:46,634 Through this journey of mine too, 1639 01:26:46,667 --> 01:26:50,504 I never felt 100% happy with who I was, 1640 01:26:50,537 --> 01:26:54,141 and I think that is because I was so distracted 1641 01:26:54,174 --> 01:26:55,676 with how I look, and I was just like, 1642 01:26:55,709 --> 01:26:58,846 worried about what people said about me, or like, 1643 01:26:58,879 --> 01:27:02,016 what my image was like. 1644 01:27:02,049 --> 01:27:04,518 ♪ 1645 01:27:04,551 --> 01:27:07,288 MYMY: Find beauty in what makes you stronger. 1646 01:27:07,321 --> 01:27:11,959 Find beauty in what you worked really hard for. 1647 01:27:11,992 --> 01:27:15,796 I'm a hard-working woman, I can be influential, 1648 01:27:15,829 --> 01:27:18,065 and this doesn't have anything to do with how I look. 1649 01:27:18,098 --> 01:27:21,568 And if we could spark the conversation, 1650 01:27:21,602 --> 01:27:23,070 spark the revolution 1651 01:27:23,103 --> 01:27:27,575 against these toxins... 1652 01:27:27,608 --> 01:27:30,678 just taking back the power that we should be having already. 1653 01:27:30,711 --> 01:27:35,083 ♪ 1654 01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:11,451 ♪ 1655 01:28:32,473 --> 01:28:33,917 MR. KRISHNAMOORTHI: Today marks our subcommittee's 1656 01:28:33,941 --> 01:28:35,376 first hearing. 1657 01:28:35,409 --> 01:28:37,478 Today our focus is on a group of widely used 1658 01:28:37,511 --> 01:28:39,580 personal care consumer products 1659 01:28:39,613 --> 01:28:43,651 that contain potentially carcinogenic products. 1660 01:28:43,684 --> 01:28:48,622 Please rise; I will begin by swearing you in. 1661 01:28:48,655 --> 01:28:52,727 SCOTT: Since 2009, cosmetics manufacturers themselves 1662 01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,796 have reported using 88 chemicals 1663 01:28:55,829 --> 01:28:58,833 linked to cancer, birth defects, 1664 01:28:58,866 --> 01:29:02,436 or reproductive harm in both men and women. 1665 01:29:02,469 --> 01:29:03,847 MR. GROTHMAN: In both of your opinion, 1666 01:29:03,871 --> 01:29:05,806 is there any doubt in your mind 1667 01:29:05,839 --> 01:29:07,074 that the product that was sold 1668 01:29:07,107 --> 01:29:10,177 by Johnson & Johnson has a connection to cancer? 1669 01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:11,278 DR. MCTIERNAN: I believe 1670 01:29:11,311 --> 01:29:13,313 that talcum powder products 1671 01:29:13,347 --> 01:29:15,916 do cause ovarian cancer. 1672 01:29:15,949 --> 01:29:18,184 MR. GROTHMAN: Would common sense tell you that 1673 01:29:18,218 --> 01:29:20,254 when you're putting something on your skin 1674 01:29:20,287 --> 01:29:22,523 that there's the potential over time to have 1675 01:29:22,556 --> 01:29:24,125 something bad happen? 1676 01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:25,993 SCOTT: Most consumers assume 1677 01:29:26,026 --> 01:29:28,028 that FDA has actually reviewed 1678 01:29:28,061 --> 01:29:29,764 these products for safety 1679 01:29:29,797 --> 01:29:31,477 before we put them on our bodies every day. 1680 01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,670 At least 2,000 products contain talc 1681 01:29:36,703 --> 01:29:39,473 that are available for sale today, 1682 01:29:39,506 --> 01:29:41,876 of which more than 1,000 are loose powders, 1683 01:29:41,909 --> 01:29:43,277 or pressed powders, 1684 01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:45,379 that it only takes one fibre 1685 01:29:45,412 --> 01:29:47,348 lodged in the lung to contribute 1686 01:29:47,381 --> 01:29:51,051 to mesothelioma decades later. 1687 01:29:51,084 --> 01:29:53,196 MS. PRESSLEY: But I just don't know how the consumers can have 1688 01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:56,123 any true trust and faith here that they are safe 1689 01:29:56,156 --> 01:29:57,625 in the consumption of these products. 1690 01:29:57,658 --> 01:29:59,059 SCOTT: I wouldn't wait another day 1691 01:29:59,092 --> 01:30:00,361 to require a warning 1692 01:30:00,394 --> 01:30:02,630 on all these products. 1693 01:30:02,663 --> 01:30:04,307 MS. TLAIB: Corporate greed is a type of cancer 1694 01:30:04,331 --> 01:30:05,533 in our democracy right now. 1695 01:30:05,566 --> 01:30:07,735 I can't wait for this legislation to pass, 1696 01:30:07,768 --> 01:30:09,336 for people to stop dying. 1697 01:30:09,369 --> 01:30:10,538 Thank you so much.132056

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