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The program you're about to watch is a unique
live investigation of the supernatural.
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It contains material which some viewers
may find to be disturbing.
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No creaking gates,
no Gothic towers, no shuttered windows.
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Yet for the past 10 months-
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-this house has been the focus of an
astonishing barrage of supernatural activity.
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This footage was shot by
parapsychologists investigating the case.
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Now you're about to see one of the incidents
that have earned this house its reputation.
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- Let's see what you think.
- ...turn the light off.
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Mum said if you don't...
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Right.
All right!
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Mum!
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Mummy, it's back!
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It's back!
Mum!
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Help me.
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Don't touch me!
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Don't --
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- Quickly!
- Mum!
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So welcome, live, this Halloween night
to the first ever TV Ghostwatch.
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That's the scene in Foxhill Drive in Northolt.
Our outside broadcast units are there.
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That's the house where it might
all happen tonight, or it might not.
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We shall see. We're going to investigate
one of the most baffling and fascinating-
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-areas of human experience -
the supernatural.
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Tonight, television is going ghost hunting-
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-in an unprecedented scientific experiment,
where we hope to show you, for the first time-
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-irrefutable proof that ghosts really do exist.
I'm joined in the studio-
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-by Dr. Lin Pascoe to give
her expert technical advice.
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Throughout the program,
I'll be taking other expert opinion-
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-about the supernatural
from both here and America.
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You'll be telling us your ghost stories.
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And as our tale unfolds, we'll be taking
your calls about just what you're seeing.
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Well, let's go to the main location of
our program, the house in Foxhill Drive.
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Craig Charles, a well-known
ghost hunter, is our reporter.
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- Craig, how are you?
- Hi, Michael.
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Yeah, I'm fine.
I've taken the Valium, man.
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Later on, we're going to be interviewing
the medium who tried, unsuccessfully-
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-to exorcise the house behind me.
I wonder if he's heard from Elvis lately?
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However, with me is Pam Early,
the mum of the house. - Hello, Pam.
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And she's going to take us through
the whole spine-tingling story.
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And after that, you can share with us
your own supernatural experience-
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-on our very own Halloween witch board.
I mean, switchboard.
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- Over to you, Smithy.
- Thanks, Craig. We'll come back to you later on.
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Right, this part of the studio
is your part of the studio this evening-
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-because this is the phone
number we'd like you to call us on.
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You can now see our Ghostwatch
team are here-
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-ready to take your calls.
We particularly want to hear from you-
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-if you've had any personal experiences
of ghosts or the supernatural.
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- Call us now.
- As a matter of fact-
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-of course, Mike Smith,
there's a very particular reason-
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-we're keeping a beady eye
on the proceedings tonight. Michael?
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Well, so would you if
your wife had just told you-
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-she was going to spend the best part of her
night in the most haunted house in Britain.
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Of course, we're
talking about Sarah Greene-
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-and Sarah is our reporter who'll be spending
the night actually inside our haunted house.
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- She's very keen to do it, I understand, Mike.
- Oh, yeah, jumped at the chance.
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Actually, so did I, because we've both been
interested in ghosts and that weird sort of stuff-
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-and to be honest, I could never have sat at home
tonight on my own and watched this programme.
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- I'm safer here.
- All right, Mike, thanks a lot.
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Now, confrontations, of course, with
the supernatural can be devastatingly real.
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Let's find out what effect they've
had on Mrs Early and her family.
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So, how destructive has
the haunting actually been?
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They kept on blaming us for breaking stuff.
We weren't doing anything.
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I've lost track, really. I have
plates, teapots, cups, a broken tap.
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We got this thick smell,
so disgusting, from the tap.
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Stains got on clothes from
nowhere, out of thin air.
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- And the central heating went.
- The man came and he couldn't understand it.
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He said it was impossible.
Everybody said it was impossible.
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I said, "Great, you come
and live with impossible".
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So many things have happened.
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You start thinking... I don't know...
Maybe you've done something wrong.
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It's wrecked my house, my home, my family.
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It's OK.
- Over to you, Michael.
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Dr. Lin Pascoe, it's a
disturbing interview, that, isn't it?
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You investigated the Northolt poltergeist
for eight months, wasn't it?
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What can be done for people like Mrs. Early,
according to the evidence on that film-
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-when, clearly, she's shattered?
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Well, the first thing we can all
do for a start is believe them.
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Well, it's not always that easy, is it?
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Yes, but you can see... It's obvious
these people are desperate for help.
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It makes me so angry when you
still get people out there denying-
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- ...that these things even happen.
- All right, Dr Pascoe, for the moment-
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-thank you very much indeed.
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Lin Pascoe will be giving her expert
commentary right throughout the programme.
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And by the way, for those
night owls amongst you-
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-we'll be here with updates roughly
every hour right through the night.
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Well, now it's high time we met
our intrepid ghost watcher, Sarah Greene.
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First Hospital Watch, Sarah, now Ghostwatch.
Bit different.
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Well, I suppose the truth is
I love a mystery, and who knows-
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-we may get to the bottom of this one.
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Actually, my own experience with things
ghostly, albeit very brief, was so intriguing-
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-I thought I might get the
chance to learn a bit more tonight.
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Well, perhaps we might get the chance
to hear more of your story later on.
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Yeah, if we get an opportunity, I'd love to.
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Actually, Smithy was there when I had
my encounter with what I think was a ghost-
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-but he wasn't quite as struck
as me, though --
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Well, no. Well, yes. I mean, I think this is
the right environment to study these things.
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Yeah, that's why I get sent
out here to the front line-
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-and you stay all cosy and safe
and sound in the studio, isn't it?
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Well, good luck, and I'll see you later.
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Now, before we go into the lion's den,
I'd like to introduce you to Alan Demescu.
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He is an electronics engineer and a member
of the Society for Psychical Research.
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Now, Alan, we have a whole
array of technology here with us.
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What are you hoping to discover tonight?
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Well, the paranormal covers
a wide range of aspects-
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-but tonight we're concentrating on
what we call spontaneous cases.
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What are they exactly?
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Well, anything from inexplicable
noises, footsteps, knocking-
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-through to voices, presences,
the feeling of being watched-
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-electrical interference, so, you know,
your TV, lights, telephone-
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-right along at the far end of the spectrum
to actual full-blown visual apparitions.
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Now, we've got our own BBC scanner here,
but what are you using it for exactly?
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Well, we've got a remote video
camera mounted in every room.
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But we have our image
analysis equipment linked in.
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The tape is time-coded.
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And atmospheric condition and temperature
are logged on screen by sensors.
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Those are like the little burglar alarms
with the red lights.
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Except they're triggered
by cold instead of heat.
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Intense cold spots are
a secondary phenomenon.
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We also want to detect
low and high frequencies.
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Basically, any aberration at all
could be a signal or a clue.
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Well, we hope you get
lots of both of those.
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We'll leave you to it, Alan.
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And we'll go back outside, where
I'm going to be able to introduce you-
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-to two of the very important people
who are at the front line of this vigil-
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-as psychical researchers call it.
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Now, the first person is actually
standing right behind the camera.
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And if he hands it over to me,
you'll notice two things:
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First of all, that his hand
is a lot steadier than mine.
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And secondly, that he bears a
remarkable resemblance to Mike Gatting.
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Yes, you do.
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- Chris Miller.
- Hi.
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Now, Chris, does this
camera differ in any way-
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-from the sort of camera you'd
normally use on an outside broadcast?
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Well, it's a normal
lightweight mobile camera-
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-but in this case it's been adapted
so we can use infrared as well.
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Can we see how that works, Chris?
I'll hand this back to you.
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- What's the best way to demonstrate it?
- Well, if we can kill the lights.
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OK, Clive, can we pop the lights down now?
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- There you go.
- Right, how's that?
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- I can see you quite clearly now.
- Yes, so can I on the monitor.
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I'm quite close to you, though.
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I mean, what about the people
down here, if we move down here?
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How fast can you move with that
thing on your shoulders, actually?
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It's not bad. Who needs a Steadicam
when you've got Chris Miller?
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That's what I say.
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- Oh, yes, there we are.
- Yeah, there we are.
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- Somebody wants to get in the frame?
- If only they could see what they look like.
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Tell you what though, this means
for us, doesn't it, that-
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- ...nothing can lurk in the shadows.
- That's right, there's no hiding place.
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Absolutely. Right, let's have
the lights back up again then.
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OK, now we've got our vision back,
I think it's time to meet sound.
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Man of sound mind here, Mike Ayton.
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Not only can this gentleman hear an ant
scratching its back legs at 50 yards-
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-he's also the unofficial chairman of the
Adrian Edmondson Lookalike Society.
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Right on.
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If you're not scared of ghosts,
be scared of that.
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How are you feeling about tonight?
Are you a bit nervous at all?
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We'll see.
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- How about you, Chris?
- I'm OK.
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- Are we ready to go in then?
- Yeah.
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OK, well, we'll see you later.
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And it's time to go
once more into the breach.
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- Do I have to go first?
- After you.
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Yeah, typical.
Come on then, chaps.
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Hello?
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Here we are.
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Hi, Pam. Now...
Oh, look, here we are.
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This is the burglar alarm that
Alan Demescu was talking about.
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Could we make ourselves at home?
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Kim?
Suzanne?
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Can I join you for a bit of
apple bobbing, do you think?
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Well, we'll let Sarah and her jolly team
settle down there for the night.
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I wonder if they'll remain
as jolly as that all evening.
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We shall find out.
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Dr Pascoe, let me ask you,
why did you, first of all-
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-why did you choose that particular house?
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Well, it was a decision we made over
many weeks, really. What happened is...
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We ran a computer programme of
all the haunted locations in the UK-
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-and then we did a census of
all the various investigators-
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-and they were all unanimous that Foxhill had
more tangible phenomena on record than, well-
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-I was going to say any place in the world,
but certainly any place in the UK.
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We'll see evidence of that, of
course, later on in the programme.
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What's the chance, do you think,
of us seeing anything tonight?
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I don't honestly know.
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Sometimes we saw nothing for weeks and then other
times things were coming through thick and fast.
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I mean so much so that
we had difficulty logging it all.
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I mean some nights it was like
being in a circus or a war zone.
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A war zone?
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What about Halloween?
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- Will that make any difference do you think?
- Yeah, I think it will.
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Certainly, there are more reports on Halloween
than almost any other night of the year-
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-but maybe that's because
people expect to see things.
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I'm taking out no bets.
I'm hopeful, though.
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All right, yes, we're all hopeful.
Let's take a phone call.
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Mike Smith, what have you got for us?
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- This is Emma Stableford and she's from Slough.
- Thank you. Emma?
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- Emma, hello?
- Oh, hello.
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I did have a story, but there's actually
something else I'd like to say to Dr Pascoe...
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- ...but I feel a bit foolish.
- Oh, don't worry about that, Emma.
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Never worries me.
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Well, you know at the beginning, when you
showed the real footage of that haunted bedroom?
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Well, I know it was dark,
but I was sure I could see-
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-a figure standing behind,
against the wall, just by the curtain.
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Very, very vague, but
definitely a figure there.
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A woman, a person's body at least,
standing there in a black dress.
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Emma, I've examined that particular
piece of film many times, and so I'm...
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I'll tell you what to do, Emma. If you can
actually spot up the specific point on that tape-
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-where you saw this figure,
and tell one of our operators-
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-we'll actually spool it back
to the point where you tell us-
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-and then I'll get Dr Pascoe here
to have a good look at it, OK?
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All right. Thanks for calling.
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Before you go, Emma, could you give a full
description of what you thought you saw-
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-to somebody manning the phones, please?
Can you do that?
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- Yeah, I will.
- OK, Emma, thanks a lot.
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Bye-bye.
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I'll tell you what we'll do.
While we search for that piece of tape-
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-let's find out what Sarah's up to.
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Sarah, did you hear that?
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Somebody thinks they've
seen a presence in the house.
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- Today?
- Yeah, noticed anything this evening, have you?
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No, nothing to report from here yet, except
how absolutely useless I am at apple-bobbing.
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Come on, girls.
Yes, you've done it, I can see.
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Who was that?
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Can you hear that?
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Can you hear this?
Are you hearing?
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It's coming from in...
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You...
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You are a complete and utter beast.
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Beast? I got it! Look at that,
it's worse than Mike Smith, isn't it?
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- I don't know, though.
- Was it your idea, this, Smithy?
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Well, I had a bet with your husband I could
get a four-letter word out here on television.
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I nearly did as well.
It was beast.
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B-E-A-S-T. Beast.
You're a class act.
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I think that is such a cheap
shot, I have to say. I mean-
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-you know I can take a joke
with the best of them, but we're all --
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Well, look. Look, I'm sorry if I'm
being insensitive, but it is my brief.
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They said "Craig, come along, be insensitive".
Can you get out of the way a minute?
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- You're in the middle of my close-up.
- With pleasure.
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They were in on it.
Give me an apple.
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You were?
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Sorry, chaps. I love you all. If there's
any ghosts, keep them to yourselves.
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- Love us and leave us. Go on.
- I love you.
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You needn't smirk, Mike Smith.
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You're in on this.
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I think you're in a certain amount of trouble
with your endorse of that little situation.
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I'm sorry there, Doctor.
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Our producer, in fact, created
a happening in the house-
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-just in case we were on a
wild ghost hunt, so to speak.
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- We aren't, I promise you.
- All right. Well, let's go back to Sarah now.
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Sarah, when you're ready, let's hear the real
story of strange happenings at Foxhill Drive.
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And by the way, have you
got over your shock yet?
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Yes, I have recovered now.
Thank you, Michael.
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Let me fill you in on what's
been happening here so far.
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Let's face it, there's violence at some
time or another in every part of London-
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-and this estate is no exception.
But there are some days, and certainly nights-
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-where Mrs Early and her two daughters
would rather be out on the street-
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-than right here,
within their own four walls.
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Let's go upstairs for a moment.
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It all began in here
on December 28, 1991.
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Who was the first person
to experience something?
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Suzanne.
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We had a bit of an argument because-
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-Suzanne wanted to stay up and
watch some film, and I wouldn't let her.
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- Go on, Suzy, say what happened next.
- No, you say it.
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- She went to bed about --
- I was in bed.
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Mum came in to tuck me in.
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Instead, she just stood
by the bed, looking at me.
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At least I thought it was her.
And then she just turned and went.
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The thing is, I didn't tuck them in
that night. I always do.
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But that night, I fell asleep
in front of the television.
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I told her she must have been dreaming.
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Then a few days later, it was my room.
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Should we go and have a look?
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A few days later, these terrible noises woke me,
coming from the walls, like a thudding.
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All around you?
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Yes, like the whole room
was going to come apart.
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- Did anybody else hear it?
- Yes, Suze and Kim heard it.
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Kimmy, if you heard it too,
what sort of a noise was it?
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We were screaming,
I was shouting-
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"What is it?
What is it?"
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Well, I didn't know what to say.
They were that terrified.
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So, I said it was pipes.
You know, it's central heating.
282
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So afterwards, whenever Kim
heard something, she'd say, "It's Pipes".
283
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"Pipes is here."
284
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So by this time, Kim, you could
actually feel something as well, could you?
285
00:18:25,537 --> 00:18:28,701
- Whereabouts was it coming from?
- There.
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- What is it that's over there?
- Pipes. That's where he hides.
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Does he live there?
Where does he live then? Anywhere?
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Down the stairs.
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00:18:51,652 --> 00:18:55,500
- Kim, how do you know he lives down there?
- Because I saw him through the crack.
290
00:18:58,286 --> 00:19:00,551
He was there.
He was staring at me.
291
00:19:01,132 --> 00:19:06,244
- What happened after you saw him?
- I drew a picture of him.
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- Have you kept it?
- Yeah.
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- Can we have a look?
- Yeah.
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Let's have a look.
295
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,320
And was that exactly how he
looked when you saw him?
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00:19:27,663 --> 00:19:31,010
Yeah, he was disgusting.
Really disgusting.
297
00:19:32,493 --> 00:19:34,760
- It's a good picture.
- Thank you.
298
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- Keep it. It's a present.
- Oh, thank you very much.
299
00:19:38,887 --> 00:19:42,555
Tell you what, why don't we put it up
somewhere where everyone can see it?
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00:19:43,096 --> 00:19:45,100
Where's a good place?
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- On the fridge in the kitchen.
- On the fridge?
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00:19:52,823 --> 00:19:55,827
There we go. Will it be all right
putting him up there, do you think?
303
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,200
Yeah, because he likes
everything freezing and really cold.
304
00:20:00,534 --> 00:20:03,518
- Pam, there was something else, wasn't there?
- Yes, there's also this.
305
00:20:06,723 --> 00:20:09,427
One day I looked in Suzie's
exercise book from school.
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00:20:14,975 --> 00:20:17,738
Oh, I was so shocked.
I said to her "Did you write this?"
307
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,923
I was going to hit her, I was so mad.
308
00:20:21,528 --> 00:20:23,514
Well, it wasn't me.
I don't even write like that.
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00:20:24,116 --> 00:20:29,917
- So I said "Who was it then? Who was it?"
- Yeah. Who? Or what?
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Michael?
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Lots of questions there
that need answering-
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-and perhaps we'll have a chance
to answer some of them tonight.
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00:20:40,026 --> 00:20:43,832
I'm just actually hearing in my earpiece
that Mike Smith has some news.
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00:20:44,212 --> 00:20:46,495
- Mike, what's happening?
- Thanks very much. Thank you.
315
00:20:46,977 --> 00:20:51,584
I've got eight or nine phone calls here which
are like Emma Stableford's we had earlier on.
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00:20:52,265 --> 00:20:55,670
They too have seen a mysterious dark figure-
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-in the background of that shot in
the children's bedroom. Michael?
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00:20:59,075 --> 00:21:02,999
- Dark, mysterious figure, Doctor.
- Have we got that sequence ready yet?
319
00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:04,320
- Yes.
- Can we see that tape?
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00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,000
Yeah, I think we can.
I think we can see it right now.
321
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,080
Let's roll the tape.
There you are.
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00:21:08,145 --> 00:21:10,708
Up there on the screen.
That's the tape you wanted, isn't it?
323
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,852
- I can't sleep.
- Turn the light off.
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00:21:13,932 --> 00:21:18,296
- Mum said if you don't...
- Right! All right.
325
00:21:18,376 --> 00:21:21,600
Now, this is the point where Emma Stableford,
our caller, said she could identify-
326
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,244
-that dark, mysterious figure
in the corner of the room.
327
00:21:25,725 --> 00:21:27,106
Don't see anything myself, do you?
328
00:21:28,353 --> 00:21:30,320
- Can we rewind it?
- Sure. Yeah, let's rewind it.
329
00:21:30,575 --> 00:21:33,378
- Can we play it again?
- Yeah. - Can we play it back, VTR?
330
00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:35,261
There you are.
Back a bit more.
331
00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:38,764
- Yeah. Is that all right?
- Yeah.
332
00:21:40,026 --> 00:21:42,468
- Can we go forward slowly?
- Sure, sure. Yeah.
333
00:21:42,548 --> 00:21:44,068
I'm doing that now.
334
00:21:45,532 --> 00:21:46,533
Am I slow enough?
335
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,680
I can't see anything now myself.
False alarm?
336
00:21:59,065 --> 00:22:02,526
Yeah, I think I can see what's happened.
Do you see the shadow cast by the curtain...
337
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,000
...there?
338
00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:06,520
- You see the curtain on the left-hand side?
- Not really.
339
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,520
I'll tell you what we'll do.
We've got a piece of...
340
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,480
- Adam! We've got a piece of
sophisticated technology in here.
341
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,883
You can actually use a light pencil
on the screen there-
342
00:22:15,963 --> 00:22:19,366
-just to identify exactly the area
that you're talking about.
343
00:22:19,446 --> 00:22:22,406
Perhaps you... Yes, that's right. Just
draw on it as you would a normal pencil.
344
00:22:22,910 --> 00:22:30,713
Right, I think there's a sort of shape
there, a face maybe, and a human form.
345
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,657
- I think the shadow's caused it.
- I wonder, it's...
346
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,478
What if it's that thing, you know,
where you put your dressing gown-
347
00:22:36,558 --> 00:22:40,586
-on the back of a bedroom door and in a certain
light you look at it in the middle of the night-
348
00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:42,369
-and it looks like a human form or face.
349
00:22:42,449 --> 00:22:44,914
- It's easily done, isn't it?
- I think that's it, exactly.
350
00:22:46,096 --> 00:22:47,160
Faces in the fire.
351
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,905
Human perception is such that
the first thing you attempt to create-
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00:22:50,985 --> 00:22:54,145
-in any abstract shape
is a human face or form.
353
00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,080
OK. All right, then. Well, I'm sorry to
disappoint you, but I tell you what we'll do.
354
00:23:00,297 --> 00:23:03,883
Let's go back over to Foxhill Drive
and learn about the toll that-
355
00:23:03,963 --> 00:23:07,730
-living there has taken on the
children's mother, Pamela Early.
356
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,640
Pam, I know this has all
been a nightmare for you-
357
00:23:12,739 --> 00:23:15,184
-but what's been the worst
moment so far, do you think?
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00:23:17,248 --> 00:23:18,550
I'll show you.
359
00:23:23,137 --> 00:23:24,618
I'll have to get this done properly.
360
00:23:25,728 --> 00:23:31,005
My husband, my ex-husband, used to develop
his own photos in a darkroom under the stairs.
361
00:23:31,085 --> 00:23:33,127
The Glory Hole, we used to call it
when I was a kid.
362
00:23:33,828 --> 00:23:35,650
Why have you boarded
it up like this, though?
363
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:41,561
Well, one night last January,
I got it into my head...
364
00:23:42,712 --> 00:23:47,122
...to try and find one of my letters,
the solicitor's letters about my divorce.
365
00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:51,186
All of a sudden, the door stuck.
366
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,260
Like somebody was trying,
was pushing it from outside.
367
00:23:55,663 --> 00:23:56,974
You were inside by this time?
368
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,025
Yeah... I shoved.
I tried to get out.
369
00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:05,328
And then I started to panic.
370
00:24:05,949 --> 00:24:07,551
It was like a coffin.
I couldn't breathe.
371
00:24:08,853 --> 00:24:14,239
I started screaming for Kimmy and Suzie.
But all they could hear was my banging.
372
00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:19,226
And all I could hear was
Kimmy shouting, "It's Pipes, Mum."
373
00:24:19,306 --> 00:24:21,789
- "Pipes. Pipes is here."
- That's awful.
374
00:24:21,869 --> 00:24:23,711
Did -- The girls got you out eventually?
375
00:24:24,412 --> 00:24:28,497
The thing is, when I was in
there, I swear as God's my witness-
376
00:24:30,097 --> 00:24:34,915
-I heard --
I...felt this man in there, with me-
377
00:24:36,426 --> 00:24:41,737
-breathing right up against my face,
like, strong... Like rotten cabbage.
378
00:24:43,457 --> 00:24:44,440
I nearly died.
379
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:50,769
And when I got out, my head went, my knees.
380
00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:55,438
Pam, let's go sit down. Come on.
Tell us what happened next.
381
00:24:59,037 --> 00:25:06,408
Well, after Glory Hole, I wrote to
the council to try and get us moved.
382
00:25:06,488 --> 00:25:11,354
But they wouldn't take it seriously,
you know, like I was lying.
383
00:25:13,952 --> 00:25:15,921
I just don't want to know, really.
384
00:25:16,001 --> 00:25:21,028
We saw a social worker, and they said
we should all see a psychiatrist.
385
00:25:21,683 --> 00:25:24,947
Tell me what happened when the newspapers
got their teeth into the story.
386
00:25:25,028 --> 00:25:27,231
That was a disaster.
387
00:25:27,311 --> 00:25:29,033
Look at these.
You've got a lot of coverage.
388
00:25:29,855 --> 00:25:33,079
"I BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL, SAYS SPOOK HOUSE MOTHER"
389
00:25:33,159 --> 00:25:35,141
- Did you say that?
- No, I didn't, no.
390
00:25:37,415 --> 00:25:38,720
"POWER OF EVIL"
391
00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:45,736
Everyone was very friendly, but in the end,
they all made us look even more like idiots.
392
00:25:47,078 --> 00:25:51,083
- So I went to the local TV.
- Can we have a look at that, actually?
393
00:25:53,628 --> 00:25:55,640
- Were you apprehensive?
- Yes, but --
394
00:25:55,781 --> 00:25:59,736
I told her it was a central heating, so
ever since then she calls the noises Pipes.
395
00:26:00,697 --> 00:26:04,863
- So, Kim, aren't you a little bit afraid?
- Sometimes.
396
00:26:04,943 --> 00:26:07,147
Why? Do you think Mr. Pipes
has come to hurt you?
397
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,429
I think he's come to hurt everybody.
398
00:26:09,509 --> 00:26:14,558
- I think he wants to do nasty things.
- OK, thank you very much. Now...
399
00:26:15,978 --> 00:26:20,944
Pam, thanks for letting us see that.
They're ready for you now in the other studio.
400
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:25,856
Pam is just going to make her way
outside now to our mini studio.
401
00:26:26,017 --> 00:26:28,060
She'll be there waiting to take your calls.
402
00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:30,605
In the meantime, let's
go back to our main studio.
403
00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:32,769
And, Sarah, thank you very much indeed.
404
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:36,134
Dr Pascoe, what was your
introduction to the Early family?
405
00:26:36,495 --> 00:26:39,549
Well, I saw that programme that
we've just seen an extract from-
406
00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:43,134
- ...and I offered to help if I could.
- When you met Mrs Early then-
407
00:26:43,214 --> 00:26:45,150
-was she then at the end of her tether?
408
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:50,040
Yes, I'd had some experience of a fairly violent
poltergeist case in Heidelberg, Germany-
409
00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:53,151
-so I knew what it could
do to a family emotionally.
410
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,320
I see. Well, I believe that
Mrs Early has joined us now.
411
00:26:55,414 --> 00:26:57,760
- Pamela, hello. Thanks for joining us.
- Hello.
412
00:26:59,179 --> 00:27:01,603
Thanks also for allowing
our cameras into your home.
413
00:27:01,683 --> 00:27:03,966
That can't have been an easy
decision to have taken.
414
00:27:04,722 --> 00:27:09,227
Well, Suzanne was getting fed up
with the jibes she was getting at school-
415
00:27:09,307 --> 00:27:14,153
-with the papers calling us liars
and everything, and she said-
416
00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:19,446
"Mum, Dr Pascoe wants us to
do this BBC thing, so let's do it,"
417
00:27:19,539 --> 00:27:22,883
"and let's show everyone, and
then they'll have to believe us."
418
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,035
Pamela, I understand that you're quite keen
to share your experience with our callers.
419
00:27:27,115 --> 00:27:29,975
Yes. I want to tell everyone that...
420
00:27:30,758 --> 00:27:34,001
...they're not going mad like I thought
I was sometimes, that's right.
421
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,004
All right. Well, we've got
some callers on the line now.
422
00:27:37,084 --> 00:27:39,426
Let's take our first caller.
Mike Smith, who is it?
423
00:27:39,947 --> 00:27:43,431
- This is Sandra Hughes from Sussex.
- Right, let's pick up the phones, Dr Pascoe.
424
00:27:44,851 --> 00:27:47,874
- Sandra, hello.
- Oh, hello.
425
00:27:48,214 --> 00:27:51,150
This is just that when I was a girl-
426
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,401
-I was brought up in a house
in Brighton and we had a ghost.
427
00:27:55,887 --> 00:28:00,814
And we'd often find things broken
and, you know, those sorts of things.
428
00:28:00,894 --> 00:28:02,395
You're not alone, Sandra, honestly.
429
00:28:03,317 --> 00:28:09,089
And it's sort of coming out about this boy
who died there and how it affected me-
430
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,280
-because at the time I didn't realise
how much it affected me.
431
00:28:15,813 --> 00:28:18,216
That's all I wanted to say, really.
432
00:28:19,293 --> 00:28:21,298
Thank you, Sandra, for your call.
Thanks a lot.
433
00:28:22,841 --> 00:28:24,505
Thank you, too, Mrs. Early, for joining us.
434
00:28:24,585 --> 00:28:27,440
We'll -- If you'd stay in the studio there
we'll come back to you in just a moment.
435
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760
One or two other things to talk
about first of all. Thanks a lot.
436
00:28:30,464 --> 00:28:32,307
Now, what I want to
talk about now, Dr. Pascoe-
437
00:28:32,387 --> 00:28:35,754
-is this book of yours,
which I'll show the camera there.
438
00:28:36,194 --> 00:28:39,721
This is called Angels of the Odd,
and it's the book that you wrote-
439
00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:42,927
-your account of your
investigation into this case.
440
00:28:43,007 --> 00:28:47,127
And you also made a film at the same time.
We've got an extract from the film here.
441
00:28:47,515 --> 00:28:49,939
Perhaps you could talk us
through what's happening here.
442
00:28:51,682 --> 00:28:53,390
Well, we did extensive interviews.
443
00:28:55,109 --> 00:28:57,444
And we also use the Ganzfeld Technique.
444
00:28:57,524 --> 00:29:03,593
That's what we're seeing now, and that's
where all the sensory inputs are blocked off.
445
00:29:03,713 --> 00:29:04,996
- Deprived, yeah.
- Deprived, yes.
446
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,341
And you're just feeling the white sound,
white noise through the headphones.
447
00:29:08,521 --> 00:29:10,444
- Bright light.
- Yeah.
448
00:29:10,524 --> 00:29:12,507
Now, that's when we would hear the voice.
449
00:29:13,368 --> 00:29:16,048
The voice. Well, we should
hear the voice, actually.
450
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,556
Let's hear it now,
because this is intriguing.
451
00:29:19,918 --> 00:29:20,940
Across here.
452
00:29:22,287 --> 00:29:24,651
I should say that this tape
is completely undoctored.
453
00:29:25,172 --> 00:29:27,416
There's no edit on it whatsoever.
454
00:29:27,737 --> 00:29:31,685
We should also warn our viewers
of a nervous disposition that-
455
00:29:31,784 --> 00:29:35,291
-the things on this tape that they
might find a little bit distressing.
456
00:29:35,711 --> 00:29:39,398
At one point we filled Suzanne's mouth with
coloured liquid and we sealed her lips with tape-
457
00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:42,403
-and the voice continued with absolutely
no change in quality whatsoever.
458
00:29:42,704 --> 00:29:43,664
Let's hear it.
459
00:29:46,739 --> 00:29:48,882
The window above the sink's
just been shattered now.
460
00:29:48,962 --> 00:29:50,437
There's no...
Oh, my God.
461
00:29:50,517 --> 00:29:52,350
Look, the chair has gone.
462
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,786
Mum, it's coming towards me, Mum!
463
00:29:56,866 --> 00:29:58,249
...right across the kitchen floor...
464
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,382
It's stopped.
It's suddenly stopped moving.
465
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,080
And everything seems
to have gone quiet now.
466
00:30:12,329 --> 00:30:14,999
A grunt or something like that.
467
00:30:16,507 --> 00:30:18,370
If you can grunt, can you speak?
468
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,683
- Round and round the garden...
- Oh, dear God, Suze.
469
00:30:23,763 --> 00:30:27,159
...like a teddy bear.
470
00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:32,637
One step,
two step, tickle...
471
00:30:34,404 --> 00:30:35,464
Who are you?
472
00:30:37,447 --> 00:30:40,690
- What's your name?
- Jesus Christ.
473
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:46,395
- Jesus Christ? Are you joking?
- Ha ha ha. Very funny.
474
00:30:46,898 --> 00:30:48,103
Are you dead?
475
00:30:49,496 --> 00:30:50,747
Are you in heaven?
476
00:30:51,615 --> 00:30:56,106
All good children go to Heaven
477
00:30:57,866 --> 00:31:00,950
'cause I smell blood.
478
00:31:01,136 --> 00:31:04,099
Fe fi fo fum.
479
00:31:08,379 --> 00:31:10,494
Bizarre. And chilling, too.
480
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,157
A forensic scientist at Cambridge examined
the voice recording and compared it-
481
00:31:14,237 --> 00:31:18,082
-to Suzanne's normal speech pattern, and they
defined it as the voices of two separate people.
482
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,520
Two people...
483
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,891
And we asked Suzanne to see if
she could imitate the voice recording-
484
00:31:24,971 --> 00:31:27,154
-and she wasn't able to do so
for more than a few seconds.
485
00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:30,478
Well, that's her trying it there.
486
00:31:30,618 --> 00:31:34,523
Round and round the garden,
like a teddy...
487
00:31:35,245 --> 00:31:37,685
- She can't do it.
- No, even under hypnosis. We tried that.
488
00:31:37,775 --> 00:31:41,610
Really, and the same result?
What other evidence do we have, Doctor?
489
00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:44,470
Well, over the months,
Alan Demescu, my partner and I-
490
00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:48,264
-heard numerous
noises, thuds, bangs-
491
00:31:48,883 --> 00:31:50,898
-scratching in the walls, knocking.
492
00:31:51,018 --> 00:31:54,142
The sort of normal noises you
associate with poltergeist activity.
493
00:31:54,803 --> 00:31:58,523
- What about this here, though?
- Well, this is my favourite, I think.
494
00:31:58,889 --> 00:32:02,233
This pillow moved diagonally
to within about a foot of my face.
495
00:32:02,974 --> 00:32:07,380
Now, it's impossible to fake that.
How do you fake that?
496
00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:09,642
Let's have a look at
some more evidence over here.
497
00:32:09,722 --> 00:32:11,884
This is some wreckage evidence,
if you like.
498
00:32:12,745 --> 00:32:17,590
This is an extraordinary assembly of...
Let's have this cup here, for instance.
499
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,271
Let me show that on the camera there.
500
00:32:19,791 --> 00:32:21,894
Now, how did these breakages occur?
501
00:32:21,974 --> 00:32:22,794
Were they dropped?
502
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,400
Well, the army did some
analysis of this for us, and they said-
503
00:32:26,498 --> 00:32:30,662
-it had been caused by intense
temperature change, not by impact or shock.
504
00:32:30,762 --> 00:32:31,440
Really?
505
00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:34,345
Just temperature?
There you are, the headless lady.
506
00:32:35,067 --> 00:32:38,131
And lots more besides here.
507
00:32:40,332 --> 00:32:43,158
And clocks and watches
just stop when they're in the house.
508
00:32:43,298 --> 00:32:46,482
I mean, I just gave up wearing one.
There's no point.
509
00:32:46,562 --> 00:32:51,709
And the favourites in a situation like
this, of course, are spools that are bent.
510
00:32:51,789 --> 00:32:53,571
Quite remarkable.
511
00:32:54,492 --> 00:32:57,372
It's a couple of regular
little Uri Gellers those sisters, isn't it?
512
00:32:57,616 --> 00:33:00,520
Yes, they weren't even in the room
sometimes. You just opened the drawer.
513
00:33:01,581 --> 00:33:04,585
- And you saw this happen?
- Yeah, many times. Many, many times.
514
00:33:05,138 --> 00:33:06,658
Extraordinary.
515
00:33:06,739 --> 00:33:10,763
Let's now look at another
piece of evidence, Doctor.
516
00:33:11,444 --> 00:33:17,449
And that's the situation where Suzanne's face
at times is covered with marks, with lesions.
517
00:33:17,929 --> 00:33:21,813
Before I talk to you about that,
I'd like to talk to Suzanne.
518
00:33:21,893 --> 00:33:26,077
And I think that... Yeah, there we are.
We're going live over there.
519
00:33:27,497 --> 00:33:32,082
So I'd like to talk to Suzanne. Suzanne,
when did you first get these marks on your face?
520
00:33:32,162 --> 00:33:33,002
When did they first show?
521
00:33:33,455 --> 00:33:38,202
About July, the first one was.
It was horrible.
522
00:33:38,282 --> 00:33:41,402
Well, I'd just wake up, and it
would feel like someone was all over me.
523
00:33:44,891 --> 00:33:49,718
And in fact, we've got there, Dr. Pascoe, we've
got some of the pictures that were taken there-
524
00:33:49,798 --> 00:33:55,045
-of the face of that girl with these
extraordinary marks on them.
525
00:33:55,125 --> 00:33:59,331
Alan and I watched them appear on her face
and throat literally in front of our eyes.
526
00:34:00,532 --> 00:34:02,415
There's another shot there, look.
527
00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:05,196
Remarkable.
528
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,320
Now we've seen, Dr Pascoe, we've seen
the evidence that you've collected so far.
529
00:34:11,528 --> 00:34:12,912
I'd like your theory.
530
00:34:12,992 --> 00:34:16,239
From what we've seen, do you
think that the poltergeist activity-
531
00:34:16,319 --> 00:34:18,919
-such as it is, is now centred on Suzanne?
532
00:34:20,131 --> 00:34:22,496
Well, certainly as a
female approaching puberty-
533
00:34:22,576 --> 00:34:25,781
-she does conform to the
classic, typical poltergeist focus.
534
00:34:26,683 --> 00:34:28,687
Broken family background, she's introverted.
535
00:34:28,807 --> 00:34:32,834
She tends maybe to direct
her stress and anxiety inwards-
536
00:34:33,315 --> 00:34:35,410
-until it has nowhere to go, and then...
537
00:34:35,729 --> 00:34:36,760
- Pow.
- I see.
538
00:34:36,922 --> 00:34:41,011
I think we've still got Mrs. Early
there in our outside broadcast studio.
539
00:34:41,853 --> 00:34:42,773
Yes, there you are.
540
00:34:42,855 --> 00:34:46,884
Mrs. Early, I don't know quite if you
heard that, what Dr. Pascoe was saying.
541
00:34:47,065 --> 00:34:51,234
She said that Suzanne was
the classic, typical poltergeist focus.
542
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,160
She was the person who all this energy was
focusing on. What do you think about that?
543
00:34:56,294 --> 00:34:59,278
Well, there's nothing wrong
with my Suzie, I know that.
544
00:35:01,221 --> 00:35:04,505
If my Suzie's funny, well, how
does that explain the other things?
545
00:35:05,687 --> 00:35:08,090
Like the Glory Hole?
It doesn't, it can't.
546
00:35:08,751 --> 00:35:12,436
So you disagree with Dr. Pascoe's theory
that Suzanne's psychological problems-
547
00:35:12,656 --> 00:35:14,238
-are the cause of these disturbances?
548
00:35:14,659 --> 00:35:18,459
I think what you're saying really is, in fact,
that you believe it's an actual ghost.
549
00:35:19,143 --> 00:35:19,920
Don't you, Lin?
550
00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:24,231
Pam, I'm not disagreeing with you.
Please believe me, I'm on your side.
551
00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:28,731
I know that there's something there.
I'm just trying to understand what it is.
552
00:35:28,979 --> 00:35:31,263
A poltergeist can be
location-based or person-based.
553
00:35:31,343 --> 00:35:33,166
I mean, who knows?
Maybe this is both.
554
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,760
I mean, of course, a lot of people would
have it that there's nothing there at all.
555
00:35:36,852 --> 00:35:39,372
Well, a lot of people would have it at one
time that you couldn't walk on the moon.
556
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,989
All right, well, in order to avoid any
accusations of bias, I'd like to bring in-
557
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:48,617
-physicist Emilio Sylvestri, a former
member of the Skeptic Society, CSICOP-
558
00:35:48,697 --> 00:35:52,844
-the Committee for the Scientific
Investigation for Claims of the Paranormal.
559
00:35:53,024 --> 00:35:54,387
He's in New York.
560
00:35:54,667 --> 00:35:56,931
- Good evening, Dr Sylvestri.
- Good evening.
561
00:35:57,091 --> 00:35:59,976
Thank you for joining us.
You looked at the evidence in this case.
562
00:36:00,217 --> 00:36:02,160
I'd like to hear your conclusions.
What are they?
563
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,424
Well, I think it's pretty obvious there's
nothing in the tape that couldn't be faked.
564
00:36:08,686 --> 00:36:10,508
The bedroom footage is
totally inconclusive.
565
00:36:10,908 --> 00:36:12,630
It could all be done with wires,
for all we know.
566
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:16,855
- And the lesions on Suzanne's face?
- Scratched by her fingernails.
567
00:36:16,935 --> 00:36:20,459
- She's not lying. Believe her.
- I'd love to.
568
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:25,164
Same as I'd love to believe I'm going to heaven,
but it doesn't make it a scientific fact.
569
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,160
But if people do believe in something,
surely we shouldn't discount it.
570
00:36:28,248 --> 00:36:32,232
I mean, it's all part of human experience,
and that's what we're studying.
571
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:37,134
Fine, fine. But is it measurable?
Is it provable? No.
572
00:36:38,035 --> 00:36:40,237
For years, parapsychologists
have been trying-
573
00:36:40,317 --> 00:36:44,982
-to prove their loony theories in
laboratory conditions, and they can't.
574
00:36:45,163 --> 00:36:46,203
Yeah, that's right. We can't.
575
00:36:46,364 --> 00:36:50,608
That's where we went wrong. There are
some things you can't demonstrate in a lab.
576
00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:55,974
Show me falling in love in a lab.
Show me poetic inspiration in a lab.
577
00:36:56,054 --> 00:36:58,037
You can't. You've got to get
out of the lab and into real life-
578
00:36:58,117 --> 00:36:59,518
-and that's what we're trying to do tonight.
579
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,724
These people are not deceiving us
or themselves. Look at them.
580
00:37:04,804 --> 00:37:07,948
They're in trauma for God's sake.
Why would they do it to themselves?
581
00:37:08,028 --> 00:37:09,830
The Early family are suffering
just like people who've had-
582
00:37:10,971 --> 00:37:13,133
-murder bereavements or plane crashes.
583
00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:16,536
The only difference is that nobody says
that they don't believe in plane crashes.
584
00:37:17,778 --> 00:37:20,738
But most of us don't believe
that people come back from them.
585
00:37:20,961 --> 00:37:25,045
See? That's it. - What you always forget, Emilio,
is that you have a belief system, too.
586
00:37:25,426 --> 00:37:27,248
Your belief system is blanket denial.
587
00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:29,590
You joke about it
because you're afraid to face it.
588
00:37:31,612 --> 00:37:32,593
That old chestnut.
589
00:37:32,673 --> 00:37:36,378
Look, Lin, you ought to be selling crystals
on Venice Beach, or a palm reading-
590
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:42,366
-or a counsellor, a confidant, guide,
maybe, but a scientist, I don't think so.
591
00:37:42,446 --> 00:37:44,909
Dr. Sylvestri, for the moment,
thank you very much indeed.
592
00:37:44,989 --> 00:37:47,632
I hope you'll stay with
us in our studio in New York.
593
00:37:47,833 --> 00:37:51,558
Keep an eye on what's happening here, and from
time to time, give us a comment on proceedings.
594
00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:52,999
Thanks for joining us.
595
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:53,840
Well, there you are, Lin.
596
00:37:54,301 --> 00:37:55,301
What do you think about that?
597
00:37:55,382 --> 00:37:57,685
CSICOP-people have
nothing to do with parapsychology.
598
00:37:58,246 --> 00:38:00,589
- They're just a sign of the times.
- In what way?
599
00:38:02,493 --> 00:38:05,558
They're the last of the materialists,
like the last of the dinosaurs.
600
00:38:05,638 --> 00:38:08,438
- The world's changing.
- Good doctor made you cross, didn't he?
601
00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:11,385
Right. What we'll do now-
602
00:38:11,486 --> 00:38:14,250
-let's go straight over to Sarah
in Foxhill Drive.
603
00:38:15,392 --> 00:38:16,872
Sarah, what's happening there?
604
00:38:18,296 --> 00:38:19,217
Quite quiet, actually.
605
00:38:19,638 --> 00:38:20,760
A bit too quiet.
606
00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:24,825
Though I must say, earlier on,
Suze turned off Dr. Sylvestri.
607
00:38:24,905 --> 00:38:26,387
I don't think she was that enamored.
608
00:38:26,828 --> 00:38:28,230
How does he know?
He's not here.
609
00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:30,371
Well, in the moment we've got
here now, Sarah-
610
00:38:30,691 --> 00:38:33,214
-perhaps you could tell us that ghost story
you told us about earlier on.
611
00:38:33,454 --> 00:38:36,478
Oh, yes, all right.
Well, I suppose it's a sort of ghost story.
612
00:38:36,558 --> 00:38:37,680
It happened...
613
00:38:38,621 --> 00:38:42,065
...a couple of months ago now.
We were staying at some friends of ours' home.
614
00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:46,631
They live in the Cotswolds.
Beautiful 15th, 16th century house.
615
00:38:47,532 --> 00:38:53,239
And one night, I was woken up
by the sound of this harpsichord music.
616
00:38:53,641 --> 00:38:55,102
It was like chamber music.
617
00:38:55,182 --> 00:39:00,107
But you know, when a noise comes into your dream,
and you're not quite sure it's in a dream-
618
00:39:00,707 --> 00:39:03,790
-or whether it's actually happening,
it was that kind of effect.
619
00:39:04,451 --> 00:39:06,613
But it woke me up nonetheless.
620
00:39:06,693 --> 00:39:09,936
And when I tried to get back
to sleep again, I could still hear it.
621
00:39:10,596 --> 00:39:13,339
But all I could see was
this Indian woman's face.
622
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,602
And she had her hair sort of pulled
across her forehead-
623
00:39:16,682 --> 00:39:19,504
-and then tightly back,
and coal around her eyes.
624
00:39:19,825 --> 00:39:23,548
And her eyes were going from side to side,
you know, like in Indian dancing.
625
00:39:23,628 --> 00:39:26,932
And slowly, the eyes lifted up
and rolled right back-
626
00:39:27,012 --> 00:39:28,932
-until they were white,
and then the face went.
627
00:39:29,494 --> 00:39:33,479
Well, next morning, I couldn't wait
to tell everybody about this.
628
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:38,825
And the people whose house it is,
they told me-
629
00:39:38,905 --> 00:39:41,425
-that the house had once belonged
to the Viceroy of India.
630
00:39:41,908 --> 00:39:45,372
And he had had two Indian concubines
living in the house with him.
631
00:39:46,433 --> 00:39:49,953
And when they died,
he couldn't bury them in consecrated ground.
632
00:39:50,157 --> 00:39:53,601
He wasn't allowed to.
So he buried them out in his garden.
633
00:39:54,104 --> 00:39:58,200
And there had been talk
in the village of actually-
634
00:39:58,289 --> 00:40:01,606
-digging up the grave
to see what else was down there.
635
00:40:02,308 --> 00:40:04,668
And it became very clear to me
that this was a sort of message to say-
636
00:40:04,755 --> 00:40:06,460
"No, don't, they mustn't do it."
637
00:40:07,064 --> 00:40:11,150
And so when I found out that they weren't
in fact planning to do anything with the grave-
638
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:15,816
-they wouldn't dream of it, I went back up
to the bedroom and I just sort of said-
639
00:40:15,896 --> 00:40:17,398
"Don't worry, nothing's going to happen."
640
00:40:18,059 --> 00:40:20,583
And it was as though the atmosphere
changed straight away.
641
00:40:21,464 --> 00:40:24,228
I have to say,
Smithy was a bit scared the next night.
642
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:26,429
He wouldn't admit it, but he was.
643
00:40:27,653 --> 00:40:30,917
But nothing happened and it was
as though everything had gone calm again.
644
00:40:32,439 --> 00:40:35,063
But the important thing here,
it wasn't scary at all.
645
00:40:35,684 --> 00:40:38,449
I mean, the music and the vision
was very beautiful.
646
00:40:38,529 --> 00:40:41,314
But that's why I wanted to do this program,
because it's intriguing.
647
00:40:41,615 --> 00:40:42,640
You all right?
648
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,000
OK. Yeah. Kim just wants
to go to bed now.
649
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,080
It's a bit late. What time
do you normally go to bed?
650
00:40:49,825 --> 00:40:51,333
- Eight o'clock.
- Eight o'clock. Come on, then.
651
00:40:51,433 --> 00:40:53,136
You must be a bit tired.
652
00:40:55,208 --> 00:40:58,913
- I want to say hello to mum.
- You want to just say hello to mum? OK.
653
00:40:58,993 --> 00:41:01,160
Well, tell you what, if you look up to
that camera there-
654
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,822
-yeah, little thing there, and you speak
into here, you can say goodnight to her.
655
00:41:04,902 --> 00:41:07,025
- Night, mum.
- Night, love. Sweet dreams.
656
00:41:07,365 --> 00:41:10,550
- Night, Kim.
- Remember, there's nothing to be scared of.
657
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:12,200
To bed.
658
00:41:13,994 --> 00:41:15,917
You really think there's
nothing to be scared of?
659
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,824
Well, in one sense, the paranormal is no
more scary than the weather or the tides.
660
00:41:22,904 --> 00:41:25,984
I mean, all those things can harm us,
but we can also understand them.
661
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,640
- Gonna leave that light on?
- Yeah.
662
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,480
- All right.
- Goodnight!
663
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,480
- Keep warm.
- Yes.
664
00:41:36,316 --> 00:41:39,421
So, Sarah, got anything to report at all?
665
00:41:39,962 --> 00:41:44,008
No, nothing. Just the cold.
It's typical, isn't it?
666
00:41:44,088 --> 00:41:46,151
A house full of technology,
and nobody's bothered-
667
00:41:46,231 --> 00:41:48,815
-to find out whether
the central heating switch is on.
668
00:41:49,576 --> 00:41:51,136
- You OK, Suzanne?
- Yes, thanks.
669
00:41:51,219 --> 00:41:53,863
Plenty of crisps? Yeah?
Good. All right.
670
00:41:55,185 --> 00:41:57,408
Now, guys, I think we've earned ourselves
a cup of coffee, don't you?
671
00:41:59,076 --> 00:42:00,473
Pam told me where everything was.
672
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,480
It's there.
673
00:42:03,919 --> 00:42:07,040
- Mike, how do you take your coffee?
- Black, one sugar please.
674
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,518
- Okay, What about you, Chris?
- Milk, one sugar please.
675
00:42:14,892 --> 00:42:20,640
Do you know what? I think I'd almost
feel happier if something was happening.
676
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,006
It's sort of eerier just waiting, really.
Don't you find?
677
00:42:26,629 --> 00:42:29,699
I think I might have heard
something earlier. Sort of...
678
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,960
Just like an animal scratching its feet,
but they don't stick out in this camera at all.
679
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,080
- Don't they?
- No.
680
00:42:36,683 --> 00:42:38,826
And I noticed earlier my watch had stopped.
681
00:42:39,707 --> 00:42:43,633
- Really? What time? When?
- Just before we went on air.
682
00:42:45,436 --> 00:42:48,961
I said watches have a hard time.
It's par for the course, I'm afraid.
683
00:42:49,041 --> 00:42:51,244
Fine. Just as long
as we all know, eh?
684
00:42:51,744 --> 00:42:54,308
- Don't spook yourself.
- No, it's all right.
685
00:42:54,968 --> 00:42:57,652
That's what we're being paid for.
And we're OK anyway.
686
00:42:57,732 --> 00:43:01,532
Look - we've got an old hand to help us
over here. Now just put the kettle on.
687
00:43:01,637 --> 00:43:04,420
- Do you want a cup of tea or coffee?
- No thanks, I'm having orange juice.
688
00:43:04,841 --> 00:43:07,485
- Can you get me a glass, please?
- Where? Are they just up here?
689
00:43:07,645 --> 00:43:10,946
- Yeah, that's right.
- While you're in the fridge-
690
00:43:11,407 --> 00:43:13,670
- ...just pass us the milk.
- Oh, yeah. Sure.
691
00:43:16,073 --> 00:43:17,780
A balancing act. There we are.
692
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:22,863
- Mum!
- Hello, love. Are you all right?
693
00:43:22,943 --> 00:43:24,545
- Yeah, I'm fine. Are you all right?
- Yes.
694
00:43:27,469 --> 00:43:29,271
Well, there we are.
So far, so good.
695
00:43:30,032 --> 00:43:33,617
Now, as you know, we asked you
to join our exploration of the supernatural-
696
00:43:33,697 --> 00:43:35,339
-by telling us your ghost story.
697
00:43:35,419 --> 00:43:39,625
Well, here's someone with a tale to tell
who wants to conceal his identity.
698
00:43:40,972 --> 00:43:42,013
We had this dreadful day...
699
00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:47,899
That first evening, with duvets being
tugged off, etc, being quite amusing.
700
00:43:47,979 --> 00:43:49,020
We'd been laughing about it.
701
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:54,906
It wasn't at all malevolent or nasty.
But this particular day certainly was.
702
00:43:57,128 --> 00:43:59,070
One of the first incidents that day,
we were eating lunch.
703
00:43:59,791 --> 00:44:03,274
And I think it was mackerel
or something like that.
704
00:44:04,596 --> 00:44:06,658
We both looked down, this
is my half sister again and me-
705
00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:10,962
-and saw...sort of like
saliva all over the mackerel.
706
00:44:11,583 --> 00:44:12,525
Of course, we couldn't eat it.
707
00:44:13,507 --> 00:44:19,819
And shortly after that, I found, again,
what looked like saliva on the front doorstep.
708
00:44:22,724 --> 00:44:24,668
I lost my temper with it for the first time.
709
00:44:24,748 --> 00:44:28,675
I say, it, this presence, whatever it was,
and started shouting and swearing.
710
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,891
And immediately, again, spit, what looked like
spit, appeared on my shoes, as if in retaliation.
711
00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:40,970
And either shortly before or shortly after this...
This really was disgusting...
712
00:44:41,711 --> 00:44:47,579
We found excrement smeared on
a cupboard door in the bathroom.
713
00:44:47,659 --> 00:44:53,647
We had already, in fact, found
such things in various parts of the flat.
714
00:44:54,207 --> 00:44:57,472
This is the first time we actually found
anything smeared like that on the door-
715
00:44:57,552 --> 00:44:59,272
-so it had to be cleared up,
and it was really horrible.
716
00:45:01,313 --> 00:45:05,873
And from someone who believes in ghosts
to someone who's not quite sure.
717
00:45:05,978 --> 00:45:07,538
Let's join Craig Charles.
718
00:45:09,312 --> 00:45:10,293
I bet that scared you, didn't it?
719
00:45:10,434 --> 00:45:13,878
No, this is not a mask. This is
Craig Charles Live, you lucky people.
720
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,983
And here we have the thrill seekers,
pillars of the community-
721
00:45:17,383 --> 00:45:19,666
-all waiting to see
if the ghost is going to arrive.
722
00:45:20,007 --> 00:45:21,549
Welcome to Fright Night.
723
00:45:21,869 --> 00:45:25,029
Now, I'm going to give you
a little guided tour of the community.
724
00:45:25,114 --> 00:45:28,939
And we're going to meet some people who
are pretty upset about some weird goings-on.
725
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,022
And we're going to go
to a pretty sinister place.
726
00:45:31,322 --> 00:45:33,345
Let's break into
a little bit of a jog, like.
727
00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:34,867
Gets me fit this job.
728
00:45:35,167 --> 00:45:36,990
I tell you what, Michael,
I hate Halloween.
729
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:39,013
I hate apples.
I hate duck apples.
730
00:45:39,093 --> 00:45:41,817
I hate little kids all dressed up in...
Like the devil.
731
00:45:42,137 --> 00:45:44,561
And I'm going to meet
this woman, Yvonne Everly.
732
00:45:44,641 --> 00:45:48,006
And she's on this piece
of waste ground here, I think.
733
00:45:48,086 --> 00:45:51,491
And she's going to tell us
some pretty peculiar things.
734
00:45:52,954 --> 00:45:54,576
Yvonne Everly.
Yvonne?
735
00:45:55,257 --> 00:45:56,739
Which one?
You're Yvonne. OK.
736
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,565
Yvonne, can you tell me about some of the things
that have been going on around here?
737
00:46:00,764 --> 00:46:03,668
Well, we live opposite Pam
at number 43.
738
00:46:03,789 --> 00:46:07,234
And one night, ages ago now,
we had all this banging.
739
00:46:07,714 --> 00:46:09,177
So we went to the front door.
740
00:46:09,257 --> 00:46:10,999
And it was obvious
it was coming from Pam's house.
741
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:12,159
So what did you see?
742
00:46:12,241 --> 00:46:15,967
Well, the top window was smashed.
And Pam and Kimmy were in the garden crying.
743
00:46:16,127 --> 00:46:18,671
So we made them a cup of tea.
744
00:46:18,751 --> 00:46:23,458
And they just come in to us
whenever they need to, basically.
745
00:46:23,919 --> 00:46:25,061
It all sounds a little bit weird.
746
00:46:25,141 --> 00:46:28,105
What's it like living in
England's answer to Amityville?
747
00:46:28,405 --> 00:46:31,197
Well, it's no joke.
I mean, it's not very funny.
748
00:46:31,318 --> 00:46:33,768
I mean, some really weird and
horrible things happen around here.
749
00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:35,395
What kind of weird things?
750
00:46:35,729 --> 00:46:37,972
Well, there was that wee girl
that went missing.
751
00:46:38,093 --> 00:46:40,756
- Judy Welland.
- Judy Welland. It was in all the papers.
752
00:46:41,076 --> 00:46:43,139
- What happened to her?
- Nobody knows.
753
00:46:43,339 --> 00:46:45,142
I mean, she just disappeared.
754
00:46:45,242 --> 00:46:48,907
And then, well, I know you're always
reading about people that were knifed-
755
00:46:48,987 --> 00:46:52,312
-and all that sort of thing, but somebody was
knifed around here that was five years old.
756
00:46:52,752 --> 00:46:53,880
Five years old?
757
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,760
OK, can you tell me a
little bit about this playground?
758
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,264
- Yeah... Shall I go in?
- Yeah, yeah. Come on.
759
00:47:01,447 --> 00:47:02,888
Well, it was this summer.
760
00:47:03,269 --> 00:47:07,353
My youngest son, Gary,
came running into the house in a real state.
761
00:47:07,453 --> 00:47:11,397
So when I calmed him down,
it seemed that they'd been playing in here.
762
00:47:11,917 --> 00:47:16,202
- And they'd found this dead black Labrador.
- Where did they find it?
763
00:47:16,282 --> 00:47:18,544
- Well, it was about here.
- And how had it died?
764
00:47:19,284 --> 00:47:21,487
Well, it had been cut open,
like something in a butcher shop.
765
00:47:21,767 --> 00:47:23,929
Can you imagine the kind of person
that would do something like that?
766
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:25,551
And is that all that happened?
767
00:47:26,231 --> 00:47:29,074
Well, it was pregnant.
There were foetuses scattered all over.
768
00:47:30,185 --> 00:47:33,571
- The kids weren't right for weeks.
- I should imagine not.
769
00:47:33,651 --> 00:47:36,136
So, as you can see,
this is a pretty sinister place.
770
00:47:36,617 --> 00:47:38,901
Now, I'm going to try and find
the guy who tried unsuccessfully-
771
00:47:39,282 --> 00:47:42,287
-to exorcise Foxhill Drive -
Mr Arthur Lacey.
772
00:47:42,628 --> 00:47:43,520
Arthur Lacey?
773
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:45,532
Arthur Lacey.
Come with me, Arthur.
774
00:47:46,615 --> 00:47:49,140
You got involved in your
professional capacity, I believe.
775
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:52,725
Well, not exactly.
By profession, I'm a British rail guard.
776
00:47:52,925 --> 00:47:55,068
But in your spare time, you're a medium?
777
00:47:55,149 --> 00:47:56,851
- Well, I'm a spiritualist.
- A spiritualist?
778
00:47:56,931 --> 00:47:59,895
Yes, and through God, I've
been given the task, when I can-
779
00:47:59,975 --> 00:48:02,599
-to help spirits that may have lost their way.
780
00:48:02,859 --> 00:48:06,424
So you... You exorcised Foxhill Drive?
781
00:48:06,504 --> 00:48:10,030
Well, it wasn’t the Rituale Romanum -
Bell, book, and candle
782
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:13,735
No, I simply went and prayed with
the family and offered a guiding light-
783
00:48:14,175 --> 00:48:17,760
- ...to whatever poor soul might need it.
- And can you tell us what happened?
784
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,648
You know how they say that pigs can sense
it before they get to the slaughterhouse?
785
00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:28,423
I had this overwhelming sense of evil, of...
Spiritual decay is the only way I can describe it.
786
00:48:28,503 --> 00:48:32,171
I was physically sick for a week.
I smelt blood on my hands.
787
00:48:32,251 --> 00:48:36,660
Something didn't want me near it.
Didn't believe it was dead.
788
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:42,189
So, do you believe there is such a thing as,
I don't know, an evil place?
789
00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:44,954
Well, there are degrees, yes.
Shades in all places.
790
00:48:45,034 --> 00:48:49,983
I mean, anyone who buys a house finds themselves
weighing up those vibrations subconsciously.
791
00:48:50,063 --> 00:48:51,285
You see, I think that-
792
00:48:51,786 --> 00:48:55,612
-just as we are the product of our mothers
and fathers and their mothers and fathers-
793
00:48:56,067 --> 00:49:00,463
-I think that places somehow inherit
the genes from their past too, somehow.
794
00:49:00,543 --> 00:49:03,543
Yeah? - Ah, hey, trick-or-treaters, I think.
795
00:49:04,064 --> 00:49:05,426
- What's your name?
- Katie.
796
00:49:05,506 --> 00:49:06,607
- And your name?
- Billy.
797
00:49:06,867 --> 00:49:09,127
- Billy and Katie. Sounds a little bit like --
- Craig!
798
00:49:09,207 --> 00:49:11,974
Craig, I'm sorry to have to cut you off there.
799
00:49:12,214 --> 00:49:15,278
In fact, I've just heard that
we've got to go back to Sarah.
800
00:49:15,859 --> 00:49:17,539
Sarah's got something important for us.
801
00:49:17,641 --> 00:49:18,240
Sarah?
802
00:49:19,344 --> 00:49:21,146
Yes, what is it?
What you got?
803
00:49:22,067 --> 00:49:24,330
Yeah, we've definitely got
something here. Just look at this.
804
00:49:25,593 --> 00:49:28,437
- Now, can you see this?
- I certainly can, clearly.
805
00:49:28,657 --> 00:49:30,480
Well, there's no way
it could have got there.
806
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,403
I thought maybe an old tomcat
had got in or something.
807
00:49:33,624 --> 00:49:37,709
- Sarah, when did you see this?
- Well, I took Suzanne up to bed.
808
00:49:38,330 --> 00:49:39,832
In fact, all of us went upstairs.
809
00:49:41,755 --> 00:49:45,019
Nobody was down here at all.
10 minutes ago, it wasn't here.
810
00:49:45,353 --> 00:49:49,341
Sarah, have you got a handkerchief?
Can you see if the light fitting is working?
811
00:49:50,383 --> 00:49:53,449
Yeah, we'll do that for you.
I'll turn the light off first.
812
00:49:55,827 --> 00:49:56,827
OK.
813
00:49:57,561 --> 00:49:58,910
Here we go.
814
00:50:00,298 --> 00:50:02,586
I'll put this...
Hope it's strong enough to hold me.
815
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,789
There we are.
816
00:50:06,515 --> 00:50:09,438
- Anything?
- There's nothing dripped off here, first of all.
817
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,040
No stains on the ceiling? No?
818
00:50:14,123 --> 00:50:16,603
- The floor's concrete...
- This is all completely dry.
819
00:50:16,686 --> 00:50:17,687
...so it couldn't come from below.
820
00:50:17,767 --> 00:50:20,400
- Is there any smell, Sarah?
- No, nothing.
821
00:50:21,271 --> 00:50:24,355
Can you smell the hanky, maybe?
See if there's anything on that now.
822
00:50:24,975 --> 00:50:27,999
- Any odor?
- The hanky?
823
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:29,921
No. No.
Can't smell anything at all.
824
00:50:31,383 --> 00:50:33,546
Can you take a sample for us?
Have you got anything that you could...?
825
00:50:33,626 --> 00:50:36,793
Yeah. What can we use for
a sample? Something to scrape it up.
826
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,466
- I got a lens duster.
- Good, I -- That would do.
827
00:50:40,947 --> 00:50:41,347
Here we are.
828
00:50:41,427 --> 00:50:43,770
Yeah, we're going to use this to...
Can I give you this hanky?
829
00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:48,236
See if we can suck some of...
whatever it is up with this.
830
00:50:49,077 --> 00:50:49,680
Here we are.
831
00:50:49,758 --> 00:50:53,202
You see, look, it's typical.
Typical poltergeist.
832
00:50:53,563 --> 00:50:57,848
If you pour water from a jug, it's almost
impossible to avoid getting an erratic outline.
833
00:50:58,048 --> 00:51:00,391
These pools are perfectly oval.
They're unbroken.
834
00:51:04,516 --> 00:51:06,559
- Oh, Suzanne!
- Is she all right?
835
00:51:07,417 --> 00:51:10,002
- You OK?
- Yeah, I've just got a bit of a icky tummy.
836
00:51:10,142 --> 00:51:13,768
Oh, let me get you some
Enos or something. Hang on.
837
00:51:13,848 --> 00:51:18,356
Doctor, when they've got those
samples that we saw them taking there-
838
00:51:19,578 --> 00:51:21,161
-what do you do with them
when you've got the samples?
839
00:51:21,302 --> 00:51:23,702
Well, we'll test it to see if the
calcium and the magnesium salts-
840
00:51:23,806 --> 00:51:25,806
-match the hardness of the local tap water.
841
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:27,570
And where does it come from?
842
00:51:28,434 --> 00:51:29,240
Don't know.
843
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,360
Can't get any water out.
844
00:51:49,891 --> 00:51:51,000
Off now.
845
00:51:53,096 --> 00:51:54,438
There we are. Soaked.
846
00:51:55,659 --> 00:51:58,864
There you are, Suzanne. Sorry, I'm
all wet. Let's go upstairs, shall we?
847
00:51:59,805 --> 00:52:04,112
Can I ask you now, Dr Pascoe, we've had a look
at what's been happening there in the house.
848
00:52:04,372 --> 00:52:06,014
What, in fact, do you make of what we've seen?
849
00:52:06,535 --> 00:52:10,301
Well, poltergeist activity has
a pattern, a menu, if you like.
850
00:52:11,562 --> 00:52:13,826
First there are the noises, the sounds,
and then water.
851
00:52:14,727 --> 00:52:18,647
And then the third stage is
physical phenomena, moving objects.
852
00:52:19,355 --> 00:52:21,518
And do you think that, in fact,
what we've seen there...
853
00:52:21,658 --> 00:52:23,738
Is something starting to
happen in Foxhill Drive?
854
00:52:24,242 --> 00:52:27,306
- Well, who knows?
- Well, we shall find out, no doubt.
855
00:52:27,847 --> 00:52:29,349
Things have been happening in our phone rooms.
856
00:52:29,429 --> 00:52:31,472
We've got another caller on the line now.
857
00:52:31,552 --> 00:52:33,936
He's Kevin Tripp from Neath.
858
00:52:34,016 --> 00:52:35,398
Pick up the phone there, please, Doctor.
859
00:52:35,478 --> 00:52:36,560
Let's talk to Kevin.
860
00:52:37,441 --> 00:52:38,601
- Hello, Kevin.
- Hello?
861
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,560
Yeah, hello.
862
00:52:40,545 --> 00:52:41,987
Do you have a story for us?
863
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,600
Yeah -- Can you hear me?
864
00:52:44,043 --> 00:52:45,725
Yes, yes, I can hear you fine.
865
00:52:45,805 --> 00:52:48,268
Yeah, I was just sitting here and stuff.
866
00:52:48,729 --> 00:52:51,653
- You ain't gonna believe this, I'm telling you.
- Well, you try us, Kevin.
867
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,040
Well, my mates were
around to watch the videos-
868
00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:57,420
-and we put on the programmes
about ten minutes ago.
869
00:52:58,141 --> 00:53:01,425
I had this sandwich, a cheese
and pickle sandwich it was.
870
00:53:02,146 --> 00:53:04,389
And, well, it frightened me to bugger it.
871
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:08,234
I was minding my own
business, and this dirty great plate-
872
00:53:08,314 --> 00:53:11,518
- ...sitting on the arm of my chair just dived off.
- Sure, Kevin.
873
00:53:12,899 --> 00:53:16,345
It just leapt off with the mind
of its bloody own it did.
874
00:53:16,866 --> 00:53:21,335
- Kevin, how close were you to the plate?
- Miles away.
875
00:53:21,795 --> 00:53:24,320
My mates, they went white, they went.
876
00:53:26,604 --> 00:53:28,748
Yes, yes. All right,
Kevin, I think we've had enough.
877
00:53:28,929 --> 00:53:32,916
I think I get the picture, certainly.
Thank you very much indeed for calling.
878
00:53:33,301 --> 00:53:35,741
I suppose, in fact, we
should have been prepared for that.
879
00:53:36,124 --> 00:53:39,268
I mean, it's Halloween night,
home brew time and all that.
880
00:53:39,348 --> 00:53:42,071
I can see you're not as sceptical as I am,
Doctor, about that last caller, all right.
881
00:53:42,692 --> 00:53:44,374
But really, serious calls, please.
882
00:53:44,774 --> 00:53:49,360
The lines are still open and we've
got time for just one other call, I think.
883
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,102
No, in fact, we haven't.
I'm sorry.
884
00:53:51,182 --> 00:53:55,326
Apparently, we've got to go straight back
to Foxhill Drive where things are happening.
885
00:53:55,426 --> 00:53:57,629
- Sarah.
- From in here, wasn't it? Did you hear it?
886
00:53:57,709 --> 00:53:59,632
- Yes, this way.
- Where?
887
00:54:00,152 --> 00:54:02,835
You picking this up, too?
Let's put the light on.
888
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,080
You're going to have to be --
Get it out of here.
889
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Move the bed.
890
00:54:11,371 --> 00:54:12,240
You all right?
891
00:54:13,436 --> 00:54:16,804
Listen, I'll crawl down there, all right?
892
00:54:16,884 --> 00:54:18,347
Some scratching down here.
893
00:54:25,143 --> 00:54:26,384
It's moved.
894
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:30,308
It's in the wardrobe.
895
00:54:30,972 --> 00:54:32,753
Let's get this out of the way.
896
00:54:35,257 --> 00:54:36,759
Can you hear this?
897
00:54:38,105 --> 00:54:39,412
Shut! I can't get it open.
898
00:54:39,502 --> 00:54:43,750
- Pipes! Pipes is downstairs! Downstairs!
- ...says she can hear him in the kitchen!
899
00:54:44,279 --> 00:54:45,669
Now, you get back to bed.
900
00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:48,332
Just get back to bed!
Yep, to bed, all right?
901
00:54:48,897 --> 00:54:51,223
Back into bed.
- Downstairs. Come on.
902
00:54:56,488 --> 00:54:57,647
It's stopped.
903
00:54:58,568 --> 00:55:01,772
I can't hear anything now.
904
00:55:01,852 --> 00:55:03,273
What are these?
905
00:55:11,868 --> 00:55:13,271
They weren't here before.
906
00:55:16,964 --> 00:55:19,331
I didn't know they had a cat.
Did you?
907
00:55:22,803 --> 00:55:25,270
I don't know what to do.
Should we go back upstairs?
908
00:55:38,851 --> 00:55:40,654
Upstairs...
The children!
909
00:55:40,815 --> 00:55:42,177
- Come on.
- No, Sarah.
910
00:55:42,498 --> 00:55:43,560
Sarah, stay where you are, please.
911
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,440
Sarah, stay there.
Please don't go upstairs.
912
00:55:46,145 --> 00:55:46,745
Why?
913
00:55:46,846 --> 00:55:50,040
Because we hear that Suzanne's got
out of bed, but she's not yet appeared.
914
00:55:50,653 --> 00:55:52,213
She's not appeared on the landing.
915
00:55:53,278 --> 00:55:55,222
Suzanne, where is she?
916
00:55:57,586 --> 00:55:59,530
It could be a piece of its usual misdirection.
917
00:56:00,251 --> 00:56:01,360
Trust me, Sarah.
918
00:56:01,594 --> 00:56:02,440
Stay there.
919
00:56:06,762 --> 00:56:09,669
- Suzanne must still be in the bedroom.
- But where?
920
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,720
Perhaps out of camera range,
right in the corner of the room.
921
00:56:13,811 --> 00:56:14,832
Can we cut to the hall camera?
922
00:56:15,634 --> 00:56:18,097
No, sorry. Sorry.
The landing camera.
923
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:21,902
No, the landing on the door.
The other landing.
924
00:56:21,982 --> 00:56:23,003
That's it.
And zoom in.
925
00:56:24,565 --> 00:56:26,628
Can we pan?
Can we pan left?
926
00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:29,170
And down.
927
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,720
Clever kid!
928
00:56:43,887 --> 00:56:47,235
Suzanne, are you OK?
Are you all right?
929
00:56:47,322 --> 00:56:48,769
- Come on.
- It wasn't me.
930
00:56:48,849 --> 00:56:50,249
- It doesn't matter.
- It wasn't me.
931
00:56:50,336 --> 00:56:51,501
It doesn't matter.
932
00:56:58,552 --> 00:57:00,094
Well, that's quite extraordinary.
933
00:57:00,174 --> 00:57:04,694
We set out to catch a ghost, and
sadly, very sadly, what we witnessed-
934
00:57:04,781 --> 00:57:07,981
-was a remarkable exposure of a hoax.
935
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:09,749
- Let's not be too hasty.
- Oh, come on, Doctor, please.
936
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:11,829
- We've surely got to accept we saw it there.
- No, I don't.
937
00:57:11,932 --> 00:57:13,414
Look, this is an established pattern.
938
00:57:14,295 --> 00:57:16,238
Genuine phenomena
followed by the fakery stage-
939
00:57:16,318 --> 00:57:18,038
-when the children feel obliged
to come up with the goods.
940
00:57:18,241 --> 00:57:18,921
Doctor, really?
941
00:57:19,002 --> 00:57:20,745
I'm sorry, because...
942
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:25,114
Well, I mean, after eight months of commitment
and committed work like you've been through-
943
00:57:25,194 --> 00:57:27,778
-I can understand that you feel upset
because you've been duped.
944
00:57:27,858 --> 00:57:30,680
I'd be the first to admit it
if I was absolutely sure I had been duped.
945
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840
- Oh, Doctor, really --
- Please don't be simplistic.
946
00:57:32,925 --> 00:57:35,969
This is one incident
amongst many, many dozens.
947
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:41,236
I was there. I've seen them. I've seen
inexplicable things. 100%. No question.
948
00:57:41,877 --> 00:57:42,720
And this?
949
00:57:44,521 --> 00:57:48,446
Let's not get sidetracked, please.
Let's not lose the scent.
950
00:57:50,529 --> 00:57:51,440
Maybe there's a kind of...
951
00:57:53,125 --> 00:57:54,247
...ritualistic reason.
952
00:57:54,327 --> 00:57:57,871
It's like sympathetic magic,
acting out what they want to happen-
953
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,720
-the invoking process that
precedes the genuine appearance.
954
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,279
Doctor, before we get too involved
in that kind of jargon-
955
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,342
-let's see what Suzanne
has to say about this.
956
00:58:05,702 --> 00:58:10,208
- She might... Sarah, is Suzanne able to...
- Suzanne needs a glass of water right now.
957
00:58:11,951 --> 00:58:12,852
Can I talk to her?
958
00:58:12,932 --> 00:58:15,636
Well, I think I'd like to talk to
her first of all, if you don't mind.
959
00:58:15,756 --> 00:58:18,720
- Where's my mum?
- Suzanne, I'd like to talk to you.
960
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,159
- Did you put the writing in the school book?
- I don't want to talk about it.
961
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,383
- What about the noises in the wall?
- I don't want to talk about it.
962
00:58:27,823 --> 00:58:30,125
What about the scratches on your face, Suzanne?
963
00:58:32,107 --> 00:58:33,889
- Mum!
- It's all right, darling. Mum's here.
964
00:58:34,569 --> 00:58:35,991
It doesn't matter.
Can you hear me?
965
00:58:36,191 --> 00:58:38,053
Why, Suzie?
You can tell me.
966
00:58:38,133 --> 00:58:41,596
- To show them.
- You didn't have to show them. Not like this.
967
00:58:44,178 --> 00:58:45,122
Why?
968
00:58:47,842 --> 00:58:49,423
Tell them you don't tell lies, Suzie.
969
00:58:52,897 --> 00:58:55,601
It's all a mistake. She doesn't know
what she's... She doesn't know anything.
970
00:58:55,982 --> 00:58:56,840
Do you, love?
971
00:58:57,183 --> 00:59:00,148
- We thought you'd leave us.
- You thought I'd leave you?
972
00:59:00,228 --> 00:59:03,994
- All we were were noises to you.
- And you lied to make us stay.
973
00:59:04,815 --> 00:59:06,577
- Sometimes.
- Only sometimes?
974
00:59:07,218 --> 00:59:11,144
It was what you wanted, wasn't it?
We just gave you what you wanted.
975
00:59:11,224 --> 00:59:12,409
Stop it!
976
00:59:14,229 --> 00:59:18,415
Mrs Early, you've heard your daughter. She's
admitted the entire thing was a deliberate fraud.
977
00:59:18,563 --> 00:59:23,591
No, I'm sorry. I don't accept that.
Dr. Pascoe has seen and heard things, same as me.
978
00:59:24,072 --> 00:59:28,599
You can't just... Well, she's afraid.
She's frightened. She doesn't know anything.
979
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:30,522
But, Suzanne herself explained, Mrs. Early.
980
00:59:31,964 --> 00:59:35,610
My family are telling the truth.
We're all telling the truth.
981
00:59:47,875 --> 00:59:53,560
Well, fortunately, after this turn of events,
we're able to return to Dr. Emilio Sylvestri.
982
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,823
Dr. Sylvestri, who's in New
York, joins us again now.
983
00:59:56,903 --> 01:00:00,786
Dr. Sylvestri, I imagine you're
about to say "I told you so".
984
01:00:02,008 --> 01:00:07,653
Well, I don't get any vicarious thrill out
of seeing parapsychology crucified in public-
985
01:00:07,733 --> 01:00:11,996
- ...but it does validate my hypothesis.
- What hypothesis?
986
01:00:13,378 --> 01:00:16,060
- These are disturbed attention seekers.
- Rubbish.
987
01:00:17,678 --> 01:00:18,892
You played into their hands.
988
01:00:19,353 --> 01:00:21,695
Prime time TV, Alice in
Wonderland couldn't take it anymore-
989
01:00:21,915 --> 01:00:25,219
- ...the end of illusion --
- This is not the end, please believe me.
990
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,884
I almost... I almost feel
whatever's in there-
991
01:00:28,964 --> 01:00:32,185
- ...it's deliberately muddying the waters.
- Well, Dr. Pascoe-
992
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,771
-thank you. And Dr. Sylvestri, thank you, too,
for joining us from New York.
993
01:00:35,851 --> 01:00:37,313
Thank you, and good night to you.
994
01:00:38,054 --> 01:00:39,814
A lot of activity in our phone room.
995
01:00:40,016 --> 01:00:43,740
You won't be amazed to hear that after
what we've just seen in Foxhill Drive.
996
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,582
Mike Smith, what's happening?
997
01:00:45,662 --> 01:00:48,666
- What's the story?
- Well, the strange thing is-
998
01:00:49,427 --> 01:00:52,867
-we're still getting calls about
that shadowy figure that was seen-
999
01:00:52,952 --> 01:00:55,592
-in the haunted bedroom, or people
think they've seen in the haunted bedroom.
1000
01:00:55,695 --> 01:00:59,135
Now, what's really weird is these
are all tallying with the description.
1001
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:00,462
These are all different phone calls.
1002
01:01:00,883 --> 01:01:03,887
They're generally all saying
it's an old man or a woman-
1003
01:01:04,808 --> 01:01:10,456
-bald with a skull-like head, dark eyes,
or some are just saying holes for eyes-
1004
01:01:11,036 --> 01:01:15,022
-and wearing a black robe or a dress
which is buttoned up to the neck.
1005
01:01:15,102 --> 01:01:18,407
- So if anybody's seen this gentleman tonight --
- Michael, I'm sorry to interrupt-
1006
01:01:18,827 --> 01:01:21,611
-this is important.
Can somebody in the gallery-
1007
01:01:22,011 --> 01:01:25,701
-tell me if it's possible to access the tape
interviews I shot at the university, please?
1008
01:01:26,137 --> 01:01:28,248
- I'm sure it will be, yes.
- In view of what's happened-
1009
01:01:28,328 --> 01:01:32,094
- ...there's a sequence I need to find.
- Yeah, they're saying they can get to it-
1010
01:01:32,174 --> 01:01:35,951
-some time further on in the programme.
Yes, okay. We can do that for you.
1011
01:01:36,492 --> 01:01:41,120
In the meantime, we'll have another
Ghostwatch story. And then, after that-
1012
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,309
-I'd like to hear your opinion on what
we saw a moment ago in Foxhill Drive.
1013
01:01:46,389 --> 01:01:50,055
Is all of this - all of this - a hoax,
or, as Dr Pascoe believes-
1014
01:01:50,556 --> 01:01:54,963
-are things just about beginning to happen?
Well, call me after this-
1015
01:01:55,484 --> 01:01:59,009
- true ghost story, coming up now.
- When I was about 11 or 12-
1016
01:01:59,229 --> 01:02:02,072
-we moved to this large,
old Devonshire house.
1017
01:02:02,553 --> 01:02:06,398
And part of the house was a lot
older than the other part of the house.
1018
01:02:06,478 --> 01:02:08,120
And it had a nasty feeling.
1019
01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:10,823
It was cold.
1020
01:02:11,784 --> 01:02:14,187
Doors opened.
Things fell off the wall.
1021
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:16,160
Ornaments shattered.
1022
01:02:16,771 --> 01:02:19,171
And generally,
it didn't have a nice feeling.
1023
01:02:19,254 --> 01:02:25,121
My bedroom was in part of that house,
part of that old part of the house, and...
1024
01:02:25,201 --> 01:02:30,536
...shadows would move at the end of my bed,
so I asked for a nightlight.
1025
01:02:30,656 --> 01:02:32,501
I asked a grown-up, I think
it was my grandmother-
1026
01:02:34,346 --> 01:02:36,010
-which made the situation worse, in a way.
1027
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,514
Can we just clear the set?
1028
01:02:44,657 --> 01:02:47,542
Well, something's gone
very wrong with that ghost story.
1029
01:02:47,622 --> 01:02:49,806
Probably our poltergeist.
What do you think, Dr. Pascoe?
1030
01:02:50,588 --> 01:02:55,297
Anyway, we'll try to get back to that
before the end of the program.
1031
01:02:55,798 --> 01:02:56,980
Meanwhile, what do we do?
1032
01:02:57,550 --> 01:03:00,655
We go back to your calls,
that's what we do - Mike Smith.
1033
01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:05,462
The only one I've got for you
at the moment is this woman - try her.
1034
01:03:06,183 --> 01:03:08,687
She wants to remain anonymous,
wants to take part of the programme-
1035
01:03:08,767 --> 01:03:10,350
-but insists on anonymity. Try her.
1036
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:12,472
OK, Mike, thanks.
Doctor, pick the phone up.
1037
01:03:13,914 --> 01:03:15,056
- Hello?
- Hello?
1038
01:03:15,704 --> 01:03:17,079
- Yes.
- Hello, am I on?
1039
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,986
Yes, you're on BBC One's Ghostwatch.
1040
01:03:21,105 --> 01:03:22,347
Now, what do you want to tell me about?
1041
01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:26,713
We've got this big glass table.
1042
01:03:27,166 --> 01:03:30,791
My husband just rested one
finger on it, and it exploded.
1043
01:03:31,592 --> 01:03:32,720
Glass everywhere.
1044
01:03:33,335 --> 01:03:34,737
His face and hands were cut.
1045
01:03:35,778 --> 01:03:37,060
There's blood on the wallpaper.
1046
01:03:38,442 --> 01:03:39,744
The ambulance has just gone.
1047
01:03:40,925 --> 01:03:43,509
My children are frightened.
Why are you doing this?
1048
01:03:44,129 --> 01:03:45,531
I'm sure your children are in shock.
1049
01:03:47,278 --> 01:03:50,559
Also I want to say I think it's high time,
probably, that your kids were in bed.
1050
01:03:50,979 --> 01:03:52,982
I mean, it is past the 9 o'clock
watershed, isn't it?
1051
01:03:53,062 --> 01:03:56,447
That's it. That's just it.
They won't go to bed.
1052
01:03:56,697 --> 01:03:58,752
I can't drag them away from the TV.
1053
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,827
I tell them to look what time it is-
1054
01:04:00,907 --> 01:04:04,014
- ...but the clock still shows 9.30.
- Excuse me-
1055
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,440
- ...have all your clocks stopped?
- I don't know what's going on.
1056
01:04:07,604 --> 01:04:09,348
They won't take their eyes off the set.
1057
01:04:10,591 --> 01:04:11,854
And there's blood.
1058
01:04:12,323 --> 01:04:14,843
There's blood all over the wallpaper.
1059
01:04:15,088 --> 01:04:17,311
Look, it's Halloween.
They're overexcited.
1060
01:04:17,972 --> 01:04:19,415
You've had a terrible accident.
1061
01:04:19,495 --> 01:04:24,002
Now, please, would you switch off the TV
and please send your kids to bed?
1062
01:04:24,864 --> 01:04:26,667
Thanks for calling us,
but we've got to move on.
1063
01:04:26,747 --> 01:04:28,169
- Thank you, love.
- No, don't let her-
1064
01:04:28,249 --> 01:04:31,789
-I'm sorry, she's gone.
- Listen-
1065
01:04:31,929 --> 01:04:33,590
-please, if you're still there.
1066
01:04:34,792 --> 01:04:37,755
Don't touch anything.
And if you can, take a photograph.
1067
01:04:37,835 --> 01:04:41,779
- Now, this is very valuable evidence --
- I'm going to say to everyone watching-
1068
01:04:41,919 --> 01:04:45,683
-please, please, we don't want
to give anybody sleepless nights.
1069
01:04:45,763 --> 01:04:49,206
We don't want to start panic.
Don't let your imaginations run riot.
1070
01:04:49,286 --> 01:04:52,349
These things we're talking about
are very, very rare indeed.
1071
01:04:52,429 --> 01:04:56,514
And the chance of them happening
to you are exceedingly remote.
1072
01:04:56,594 --> 01:05:00,064
Please, believe us.
Right, now, I think that, Dr Pascoe-
1073
01:05:00,144 --> 01:05:03,911
-that tape you wanted, that interview
you did some months ago-
1074
01:05:04,071 --> 01:05:06,235
-with Kim Early, I think that's ready now.
1075
01:05:06,315 --> 01:05:08,700
I think we can go to it.
It's coming up now. There you are.
1076
01:05:09,321 --> 01:05:12,948
- So have you ever seen him, then, Kimmy?
- Pipes? Yeah.
1077
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:17,977
And what's he look like?
Can you describe him to me, then?
1078
01:05:18,057 --> 01:05:20,181
Well, he's really old.
1079
01:05:20,701 --> 01:05:25,626
This eye's got all... Blood all
over his eye and scratch...coming out.
1080
01:05:25,706 --> 01:05:30,171
And then he's bald over his head.
And then he's got a nose.
1081
01:05:30,932 --> 01:05:33,833
And in the middle, it's got
a scratch all the way down his...
1082
01:05:36,338 --> 01:05:38,560
- And he's got a dress on.
- Does he?
1083
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:44,486
Yeah. It's all really long. And it's black.
It's got buttons all the way down.
1084
01:05:44,566 --> 01:05:46,208
And then lots of petticoats underneath.
1085
01:05:46,288 --> 01:05:48,150
- Can we replay it?
- Sure. Sure, we can.
1086
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:49,932
Back to the start of the description.
1087
01:05:50,312 --> 01:05:53,223
Can we roll it back, VT?
Back to the start of it.
1088
01:05:54,588 --> 01:05:55,471
- There?
- Yeah.
1089
01:05:55,551 --> 01:05:57,458
Well, he's really old.
1090
01:05:57,893 --> 01:06:02,841
This eye's got all... Blood all
over his eye and scratch...coming out.
1091
01:06:02,921 --> 01:06:04,824
And then he's bald over his head.
1092
01:06:06,207 --> 01:06:09,712
Do you see what I mean?
Kim's description exactly matches-
1093
01:06:09,792 --> 01:06:11,755
-what Mike's been getting on the phones.
1094
01:06:11,916 --> 01:06:17,826
Old, man, bald, skull-like head,
dark eyes, wearing a black dress.
1095
01:06:19,048 --> 01:06:20,270
She says it's black.
1096
01:06:21,371 --> 01:06:22,799
- Buttoned.
- Well, could they have read-
1097
01:06:22,879 --> 01:06:26,079
- the descriptions in a newspaper?
- There's been nothing in the newspapers.
1098
01:06:26,283 --> 01:06:30,528
Not containing that description. It's not
appeared in print one single time, I assure you.
1099
01:06:31,049 --> 01:06:33,452
- Then what are you saying?
- Well, we were drawn to assuming-
1100
01:06:33,692 --> 01:06:35,914
-it was Suzanne at the center
of this because she's at puberty.
1101
01:06:35,994 --> 01:06:37,436
But what if she isn't?
What if it's Kim?
1102
01:06:38,898 --> 01:06:40,821
- We've been looking at the wrong person.
- Exactly.
1103
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,864
Fascinating. Sarah seems to
be trying to get our attention.
1104
01:06:45,646 --> 01:06:49,450
Quite agitated. - Sarah, what is it?
- Thank you. It's Pamela. Listen to this.
1105
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:57,061
- Cats. It's like cats. Can you hear it?
- Where, Pam?
1106
01:06:57,399 --> 01:07:02,036
It's all... It's all around us. Like they're
trapped, somewhere - do you hear it?
1107
01:07:02,948 --> 01:07:04,548
Cat's running round up there on the ceiling.
1108
01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:08,194
- Can you hear anything, Sarah?
- Yes. Yeah, I can hear it now. She's right.
1109
01:07:08,491 --> 01:07:11,411
- Mum?
- What is it, Kim?
1110
01:07:11,498 --> 01:07:14,762
- What's wrong with Suzie?
- What do you mean, what's wrong, Kimmy?
1111
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:22,640
Suzanne?
1112
01:07:23,963 --> 01:07:25,125
Suzanne, are you OK?
1113
01:07:25,225 --> 01:07:27,708
It's all right, love.
Don't get upset, love. Your mum's here.
1114
01:07:28,389 --> 01:07:29,710
Oh, dear God.
1115
01:07:32,834 --> 01:07:35,234
What do you want us to do?
What should we do?
1116
01:07:35,337 --> 01:07:37,941
- Sarah, are you all right?
- Get away. Get away from me.
1117
01:07:38,221 --> 01:07:40,124
They have to stay.
They have to see everything.
1118
01:07:40,664 --> 01:07:42,927
Sarah, it's all right.
Don't worry.
1119
01:07:43,362 --> 01:07:46,266
- Some kind of allergenic psychosomatic --
- Could be self-mutilation.
1120
01:07:46,346 --> 01:07:48,066
She could have done it with
her own fingernails, you know.
1121
01:07:48,149 --> 01:07:50,312
They're saying she used
her own fingernails for this.
1122
01:07:50,953 --> 01:07:54,117
Fingernails?
What flaming fingernails?
1123
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:57,602
Look, what do you want us to do?
1124
01:07:58,203 --> 01:08:00,466
Sarah, don't worry.
I've seen it before. It will subside.
1125
01:08:00,826 --> 01:08:03,239
- Feel her temperature.
- She's burning up.
1126
01:08:03,439 --> 01:08:07,079
- Get off me. Don't touch me.
- It's like a meat locker in here. It's so cold.
1127
01:08:07,179 --> 01:08:10,383
But we can't move because she's in agony,
and she won't even let me touch her.
1128
01:08:10,463 --> 01:08:14,788
- What do you want me to do?
- Well, get a flannel and get some water.
1129
01:08:14,868 --> 01:08:17,153
Yeah, come on.
We'll get out of here. Come on.
1130
01:08:22,057 --> 01:08:25,229
Sorry, I didn't mean to drag you out.
I just think they need a bit of time here.
1131
01:08:28,662 --> 01:08:30,067
- Oh, God.
- What is it?
1132
01:08:30,679 --> 01:08:32,541
It's behind the door.
1133
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,629
- I saw somebody standing behind the door.
- Nobody there now.
1134
01:08:39,447 --> 01:08:40,200
Sorry.
1135
01:08:43,728 --> 01:08:46,332
Pipes says she's got to be punished.
Pipes says she's the bad girl.
1136
01:08:46,412 --> 01:08:48,328
Darling, it's all right.
Just be quiet.
1137
01:08:51,533 --> 01:08:53,177
Sarah, should we send someone in now?
1138
01:08:54,608 --> 01:08:56,190
No, God knows how she'd react.
1139
01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:59,372
Just let... Let's let everything
settle down now.
1140
01:09:00,673 --> 01:09:03,296
We've got to stay.
Pipes says we've got to stay.
1141
01:09:05,845 --> 01:09:06,720
I should tell you-
1142
01:09:06,878 --> 01:09:10,222
-if you joined to see the next
program that in fact we're staying-
1143
01:09:10,523 --> 01:09:13,225
-with what we have here from
Foxhill Drive because the events-
1144
01:09:14,297 --> 01:09:16,788
-are so remarkable and dramatic
that we'll be staying with them-
1145
01:09:17,429 --> 01:09:19,045
-for as long as we have to.
1146
01:09:21,948 --> 01:09:24,075
Pam, is it worse
than it was before?
1147
01:09:27,413 --> 01:09:32,398
Doctor, what about
your theory that, in fact-
1148
01:09:32,498 --> 01:09:36,022
-Kimmy was the focus
for the poltergeist activity?
1149
01:09:37,043 --> 01:09:38,555
What does this mean now?
1150
01:09:41,967 --> 01:09:43,169
Well, maybe they're both involved.
1151
01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:47,113
I mean, maybe it's like a tandem effect.
1152
01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:51,096
Kim's creating the energy, and Suzanne is-
1153
01:09:51,177 --> 01:09:54,420
- ...directing the violence in on herself.
- First Suzanne...
1154
01:09:56,033 --> 01:09:58,487
...then Kimmy, then this.
1155
01:09:59,717 --> 01:10:00,917
You don't know, do you?
1156
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,642
No, I don't.
1157
01:10:06,484 --> 01:10:07,851
I've got to come in here.
We've got a-
1158
01:10:08,261 --> 01:10:11,629
-a very important phone call, which I
think you both should take right now.
1159
01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:13,133
Doctor.
1160
01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:17,135
- Hello, who am I talking to?
- Oh, hello.
1161
01:10:17,355 --> 01:10:18,917
My name's Mary Christopher-
1162
01:10:19,117 --> 01:10:23,597
-and I just wanted to phone and tell you
about this... Well, about my mother, really.
1163
01:10:24,718 --> 01:10:28,743
We were Northolt born and bred.
And us children-
1164
01:10:28,862 --> 01:10:31,942
-if we were naughty or couldn't
get to sleep, our mum used to say-
1165
01:10:32,082 --> 01:10:35,545
"Mother Seddons will come to get you."
Used to scare us...
1166
01:10:36,206 --> 01:10:38,228
...rigid. I don't know why she did.
1167
01:10:38,308 --> 01:10:40,670
Parents do do some awful
and daft things, don't they, Mary?
1168
01:10:41,171 --> 01:10:44,554
Yeah. Well, years later, I
found out that she really did exist, and-
1169
01:10:45,035 --> 01:10:47,017
-she was a baby farmer, like a childminder.
1170
01:10:47,097 --> 01:10:49,961
She used to take kids in,
but she used to kill them.
1171
01:10:50,041 --> 01:10:52,965
And she'd drown them in the big coppers.
1172
01:10:53,045 --> 01:10:58,313
And why I'm ringing is she used to live in one
of the old terraces in Foxhill by the railway-
1173
01:10:58,393 --> 01:11:01,176
-as it was then, and is now Foxhill Drive.
1174
01:11:01,276 --> 01:11:05,302
And I'm just sure it's where
those poor girls live now.
1175
01:11:05,843 --> 01:11:08,306
And really, that's all I have to say.
I just wanted to make sure you knew.
1176
01:11:08,927 --> 01:11:10,830
Thanks for your call, Mary.
Thanks very much for calling me.
1177
01:11:11,785 --> 01:11:12,896
Sarah, I wonder-
1178
01:11:13,715 --> 01:11:16,869
-Sarah, did you hear any of that?
Sarah, can you hear me?
1179
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:19,177
- Could I talk to Sarah, please?
- Mike, it's all right.
1180
01:11:19,296 --> 01:11:23,155
I can hear you. I'm fine.
Suzanne's feeling a bit better now.
1181
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,523
We still don't know how
the scratches got on her face.
1182
01:11:26,678 --> 01:11:29,621
But we feel it's probably best to
get the girl out of the house now.
1183
01:11:31,283 --> 01:11:33,645
Things are still feeling a bit strange.
1184
01:11:33,785 --> 01:11:37,108
No, we're not! Get it off!
I've got to talk to somebody.
1185
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:44,447
Kimmy? Who?
Kim, who are you talking to?
1186
01:11:46,231 --> 01:11:47,080
Pipes.
1187
01:11:48,777 --> 01:11:49,798
Where's Pipes?
1188
01:11:50,861 --> 01:11:51,600
Here.
1189
01:11:53,186 --> 01:11:57,115
- What does he look like, Kimmy?
- Like somebody's mum.
1190
01:11:57,635 --> 01:12:00,001
I'd like both of those
children out of that house.
1191
01:12:00,081 --> 01:12:02,420
I'd like somebody
to take care of Suzanne as well.
1192
01:12:02,821 --> 01:12:05,221
Please, let's have the kids out
of the house. Please, could we?
1193
01:12:05,324 --> 01:12:07,764
- I'm not a baby!
- No, you lied, you said you'd stay!
1194
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:10,669
We will stay with you.
What was that?
1195
01:12:11,851 --> 01:12:12,792
Where are we going?
1196
01:12:13,172 --> 01:12:17,057
Just outside. Come on.
Downstairs. Just outside.
1197
01:12:22,542 --> 01:12:24,582
I don't want to go!
Pipes says we've got to stay.
1198
01:12:24,665 --> 01:12:28,429
Pipes wants to see everybody.
Look, everybody wants to see him.
1199
01:12:28,689 --> 01:12:32,715
Hopefully the children are
on their way out of the house now.
1200
01:12:33,595 --> 01:12:37,025
Once they are, I suppose, that'll be
the end of our programme, the end of our-
1201
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,000
-Ghostwatch programme.
I hope they...
1202
01:12:40,124 --> 01:12:41,124
...they are out shortly.
1203
01:12:42,025 --> 01:12:45,990
As we wait for them to come out,
we'll go over to our phone-in studio.
1204
01:12:46,491 --> 01:12:47,672
Mike, what's been happening?
1205
01:12:48,252 --> 01:12:52,009
Well, it's understandably
fairly chaotic here. We're getting-
1206
01:12:52,728 --> 01:12:55,351
-all sorts of calls.
In Derby, someone was ringing-
1207
01:12:55,431 --> 01:12:58,495
- to say that her clock had stopped.
- Again, a clock stopping.
1208
01:12:58,595 --> 01:13:01,021
Ken and Joyce Shrivener
from Telford in Shropshire-
1209
01:13:01,101 --> 01:13:05,931
-their radio has gone dead and the
microwave oven is pinging repetitively.
1210
01:13:06,811 --> 01:13:08,916
Where are they happening?
I mean, is there a geographical pattern?
1211
01:13:09,436 --> 01:13:10,718
How many of these incidents are there?
1212
01:13:10,938 --> 01:13:13,302
I don't know how many
of these to take with a pinch of salt.
1213
01:13:13,382 --> 01:13:16,628
Mrs Pinder from Chepstow,
her dog won't stop barking.
1214
01:13:17,248 --> 01:13:19,688
In fact, we have loads of
instances recorded here this evening-
1215
01:13:19,772 --> 01:13:22,535
-of pets acting up all through the programme.
Mr Naro from Cheltenham-
1216
01:13:23,555 --> 01:13:25,541
-says his son is making glasses break.
1217
01:13:26,421 --> 01:13:29,747
I'm sure we can assume that many,
if not all, of these calls are jokes.
1218
01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:31,990
I'm more interested in
what's happening at the house.
1219
01:13:32,231 --> 01:13:34,031
- Are they all out yet?
- No, no, wait, wait, wait!
1220
01:13:34,174 --> 01:13:39,550
Wait. We've got one here. Just in the last
few minutes, a young lady, very distressed-
1221
01:13:39,630 --> 01:13:41,921
-in response to something
that we showed earlier on-
1222
01:13:42,001 --> 01:13:44,649
-and she's hung up before
we've had a chance to talk to her.
1223
01:13:44,729 --> 01:13:47,093
So the point is there's someone
here who can take your call now.
1224
01:13:47,173 --> 01:13:48,815
We need to talk to you.
Could you call back?
1225
01:13:48,955 --> 01:13:50,998
- Can we talk to these people?
- Let's get back to Sarah.
1226
01:13:51,078 --> 01:13:53,402
Sarah... Sarah, are you all right?
1227
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,803
I'm sorry, I can hardly hear you.
1228
01:14:00,814 --> 01:14:01,795
...you can hear what I'm saying.
1229
01:14:03,336 --> 01:14:08,981
Suzanne's a lot quieter now,
but they won't move.
1230
01:14:10,082 --> 01:14:11,043
They won't listen to me.
1231
01:14:11,924 --> 01:14:15,267
I think Suzanne's in
some kind of a state of shock.
1232
01:14:17,508 --> 01:14:19,253
What do I do?
I can't leave them.
1233
01:14:20,259 --> 01:14:21,896
Sorry, I've got to take this out.
1234
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:23,810
...terrible noise.
1235
01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:28,684
I don't know what's going on.
Can you hear this?
1236
01:14:28,764 --> 01:14:32,449
Smithy? Michael?
Dr. Pascoe?
1237
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:37,217
There are incredible noises
coming from the walls and from the ceiling.
1238
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,309
Jesus.
1239
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,061
Kimmy?
Kim?
1240
01:14:42,382 --> 01:14:44,565
- Where are you?
- Can't you do something?
1241
01:14:46,419 --> 01:14:47,320
Suzie.
1242
01:14:47,559 --> 01:14:49,630
What big eyes you have.
1243
01:14:50,559 --> 01:14:52,507
- What big lips you have.
- Stop it!
1244
01:14:53,388 --> 01:14:54,329
Stop it, Suzie!
1245
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:57,313
Suzanne, you're coming with me.
Suzanne!
1246
01:14:58,394 --> 01:15:01,398
You're coming... Suzanne!
Listen to me, Suzie!
1247
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:07,126
Suzie, can you hear me?
Suzanne, do you hear me?
1248
01:15:07,206 --> 01:15:12,753
Yes! Yes. Get out.
Get out if you don't want to be here.
1249
01:15:12,833 --> 01:15:15,156
I don't care.
You just mess things up.
1250
01:15:16,277 --> 01:15:17,539
You mess everything up.
1251
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,800
I hate you.
1252
01:15:22,312 --> 01:15:23,794
Kimmy!
1253
01:15:24,214 --> 01:15:27,019
Kimmy, if you can hear me, just shout.
1254
01:15:27,641 --> 01:15:29,724
Let me know where you
are so that we can help you.
1255
01:15:31,487 --> 01:15:32,400
Kimmy!
1256
01:15:36,155 --> 01:15:36,960
Kim!
1257
01:15:38,258 --> 01:15:39,581
Just say something.
1258
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:44,960
Kimmy.
1259
01:15:47,293 --> 01:15:48,235
Kimmy!
1260
01:16:05,819 --> 01:16:07,248
It's Bubby.
1261
01:16:10,365 --> 01:16:11,702
It's the fridge.
1262
01:16:19,722 --> 01:16:20,720
Kimmy.
1263
01:16:21,445 --> 01:16:22,640
Come on, darling.
1264
01:16:23,928 --> 01:16:25,048
- Pipes said to do it.
- Why?
1265
01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:27,153
Pipes said he is a bad bunny, Bubby.
1266
01:16:28,475 --> 01:16:29,417
Here are his eyes.
1267
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:32,802
What's that noise?
1268
01:16:35,515 --> 01:16:36,517
Mike, where's it coming from?
1269
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,400
Well, look at...
1270
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,600
It's just like an earthquake.
1271
01:16:46,792 --> 01:16:47,560
Mike?
1272
01:16:48,374 --> 01:16:49,997
It's in here.
It's in the Glory Hole.
1273
01:16:50,077 --> 01:16:52,720
Can you just stay back over there, darling?
Stay over there.
1274
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,480
- It's in there.
- Yeah, OK.
1275
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,560
Just pull it aside.
1276
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,720
Shall I get them out
of the kitchen drawer?
1277
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,560
OK, this way. Yeah.
1278
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,040
Mike? Oh, my God, what's happened?
1279
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,160
Are you OK? Oh, look.
Chris... Stay there.
1280
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,680
- I'm going to go and get help, all right?
- OK.
1281
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,880
- Just stay there with him.
- Yeah.
1282
01:17:43,058 --> 01:17:44,080
Suzanne.
1283
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,960
He's touching me.
1284
01:17:46,142 --> 01:17:47,040
Suzanne.
1285
01:17:47,864 --> 01:17:50,647
He's hurting me.
He's hurting me.
1286
01:17:51,668 --> 01:17:53,410
Get off me.
Get away.
1287
01:17:53,511 --> 01:17:55,113
Get off me!
1288
01:17:55,193 --> 01:17:56,694
No, go away.
1289
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,762
Mum, help me!
1290
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,160
Don't leave me, Mum.
1291
01:18:04,362 --> 01:18:06,762
Have we lost the link completely?
1292
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,263
- No, there's nothing.
- Hang on. Well, yeah, we're on.
1293
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,320
Please tell me...
1294
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:12,815
We've lost him.
We've lost the link.
1295
01:18:12,895 --> 01:18:15,199
Well, the light's on.
We are definitely on.
1296
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,320
- Sorry, there seems to be a bit of a...
- OK, we can't get it back.
1297
01:18:17,403 --> 01:18:19,586
...bit of a balls-up in TV speak,
I think we can say.
1298
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,640
- You must be able to get it back somehow.
- We're finding out.
1299
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,504
Well, nothing to report so far
from the house.
1300
01:18:27,939 --> 01:18:29,762
It all seems very quiet and peaceful.
1301
01:18:30,232 --> 01:18:32,112
I know, and I'll tell you
the truth, I'm not really bothered.
1302
01:18:32,194 --> 01:18:34,114
I didn't really want the
scoop on the headless horseman.
1303
01:18:34,216 --> 01:18:35,877
I mean, like, where do you put your microphone?
1304
01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:41,100
Is somebody speaking to them?
What's everybody doing up there?
1305
01:18:41,202 --> 01:18:42,920
You're following me
around, you kids, aren't you?
1306
01:18:43,685 --> 01:18:44,640
I think we're off again now.
1307
01:18:51,292 --> 01:18:55,292
I wish someone would have said we were on
then, you know, I'm chatting away and...
1308
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,343
Only at the BBC, love.
1309
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,720
I think...
1310
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,869
- OK, so somehow --
- Just a minute, sorry.
1311
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,960
We're back!
Back in Foxhill Drive.
1312
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,400
- Oh, fantastic.
- God.
1313
01:19:11,696 --> 01:19:13,776
Still no sound, but it looks
peaceful enough, doesn't it?
1314
01:19:13,858 --> 01:19:15,418
Yes, it does.
1315
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,320
Where's the sound man? I assume
they've got him out, actually, obviously.
1316
01:19:20,324 --> 01:19:21,625
And back to normal.
1317
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:22,560
You look happy.
1318
01:19:22,806 --> 01:19:25,520
Mike Smith breathes a sigh of relief,
no doubt.
1319
01:19:25,849 --> 01:19:31,320
Yeah. No, I'm delighted.
I was ready to... I don't know.
1320
01:19:32,421 --> 01:19:35,621
Well, panic over, hopefully.
1321
01:19:37,809 --> 01:19:38,851
Can we see the rest of the house?
1322
01:19:40,033 --> 01:19:43,258
I'm sure we can.
I'd like to talk to Sarah as well.
1323
01:19:43,338 --> 01:19:47,520
While we're working on
trying to talk to Sarah again, perhaps-
1324
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,950
-there's time to take one of those many
phone calls that are stacking up. - Mike?
1325
01:19:53,593 --> 01:19:54,640
Yeah, I'd be delighted.
1326
01:19:54,795 --> 01:19:55,880
Who is the next caller?
1327
01:19:56,337 --> 01:19:57,799
Talk to him.
1328
01:19:59,821 --> 01:20:01,423
Hello, your name is?
1329
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,640
I don't want to give
me name, but I think I have-
1330
01:20:03,733 --> 01:20:06,107
-some information for you
about the history of the house.
1331
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,840
- What do you know about it?
- We've been into all that.
1332
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,564
We've got the deeds and searches
going back to the year it was built-
1333
01:20:12,644 --> 01:20:16,518
-and the history of the site as far as
the Domesday Book and the ley lines.
1334
01:20:16,938 --> 01:20:18,320
Do you know Mr. and Mrs. Sellers?
1335
01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:20,862
Yes, they're on our list of tenants.
1336
01:20:20,942 --> 01:20:25,080
- They lived there in the 60s, I think.
- Did you know they sublet a room?
1337
01:20:27,935 --> 01:20:29,538
No, I didn't.
I didn't know that.
1338
01:20:29,618 --> 01:20:32,202
Being illegal, it wouldn't
be on the official records.
1339
01:20:32,923 --> 01:20:35,527
The lodger was their nephew,
Raymond Tunstall.
1340
01:20:36,148 --> 01:20:36,880
How do you know him?
1341
01:20:37,390 --> 01:20:38,351
Why are you calling, sir?
1342
01:20:38,852 --> 01:20:42,258
I worked as his social worker
when he came out of psychiatric hospital.
1343
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:45,680
He had several convictions for molestation-
1344
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,648
-aggravated abuse, abduction of minors.
1345
01:20:48,728 --> 01:20:51,252
He should never have been
let anywhere near any community.
1346
01:20:51,432 --> 01:20:54,497
He was a very disturbed man, in my opinion.
1347
01:20:54,577 --> 01:20:55,440
In what way?
1348
01:20:55,829 --> 01:21:00,434
From the time he moved to Foxhill
Drive, he developed paranoid fantasies.
1349
01:21:00,514 --> 01:21:03,794
He used to tell me there was
a woman on the inside of his body-
1350
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,079
-taking over his thoughts and actions,
making him do things he didn't want to do.
1351
01:21:08,983 --> 01:21:10,204
He started to wear dresses.
1352
01:21:11,445 --> 01:21:15,730
The delusions got so bad, there
was only one way to escape them.
1353
01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:16,971
He took his own life.
1354
01:21:17,892 --> 01:21:18,813
That's why I called.
1355
01:21:19,994 --> 01:21:23,878
When I heard, when I
was sitting here watching the TV...
1356
01:21:27,284 --> 01:21:28,786
Hello?
Are you still there?
1357
01:21:29,387 --> 01:21:31,280
If you are, please go on.
Hello?
1358
01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:35,760
Tunstall hanged himself.
1359
01:21:37,217 --> 01:21:40,341
He tied wire around his
neck to a lathe and switched it on.
1360
01:21:41,302 --> 01:21:44,400
Did it where he kept
his tools, under the stairs.
1361
01:21:44,886 --> 01:21:46,448
His aunt and uncle were on holiday.
1362
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:49,812
It was 12 days before anybody found him.
1363
01:21:50,994 --> 01:21:52,276
They heard the cats screaming.
1364
01:21:53,597 --> 01:21:54,979
He had about a dozen cats.
1365
01:21:55,550 --> 01:21:57,052
The cats were locked in, of course.
1366
01:21:57,854 --> 01:22:02,941
And, of course... 12 days, they got hungry.
1367
01:22:04,764 --> 01:22:10,092
They got to work on... On his face.
1368
01:22:14,559 --> 01:22:15,440
Mr...
1369
01:22:19,107 --> 01:22:23,879
...I'm sure what you say is true,
we've no reason to disbelieve you, but-
1370
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:28,842
- ...in order to substantiate --
- He's gone, doctor. He's hung up.
1371
01:22:28,922 --> 01:22:31,085
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
He's gone.
1372
01:22:32,086 --> 01:22:34,750
- Oh, dear.
- I think this is the onion skin.
1373
01:22:35,792 --> 01:22:39,384
- What is?
- I mean, what happened on that spot?
1374
01:22:39,464 --> 01:22:42,384
- How many terrible things have --
- Oh, this has got to be nonsense, Doctor --
1375
01:22:42,489 --> 01:22:45,929
Before Tunstall, before Mother Seddons,
way back, maybe into prehistory.
1376
01:22:46,013 --> 01:22:48,216
Oh, nonsense.
There'll be no more calls, please, also.
1377
01:22:48,296 --> 01:22:51,281
Our switchboard's jammed.
We've been inundated with hoaxes --
1378
01:22:51,361 --> 01:22:54,627
The Rosenheim poltergeist affected
a telephone exchange, rang up endless bills --
1379
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,548
Poltergeist or no poltergeist --
1380
01:22:56,628 --> 01:22:59,252
They're seeing it now, for God's sake.
Don't close the lines.
1381
01:22:59,332 --> 01:23:02,797
- We need to know what's happening out there.
- You're the expert. What is happening out there?
1382
01:23:03,458 --> 01:23:04,799
I don't know.
1383
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,520
- Jeez.
- What is it?
1384
01:23:14,024 --> 01:23:15,386
Doctor, what's wrong?
1385
01:23:16,128 --> 01:23:17,308
What's the matter?
1386
01:23:20,154 --> 01:23:21,160
It's in the machine.
1387
01:23:21,597 --> 01:23:23,440
- What?
- Well, look at the picture.
1388
01:23:23,941 --> 01:23:26,926
- Where?
- On the wall. The picture on the wall.
1389
01:23:27,006 --> 01:23:29,120
- What about the picture on the wall?
- Well, it's still there.
1390
01:23:29,290 --> 01:23:32,095
It hasn't fallen.
It's not come off the wall.
1391
01:23:35,348 --> 01:23:37,131
This picture we're seeing now isn't live.
1392
01:23:37,671 --> 01:23:41,717
This is some earlier footage
from earlier in the evening.
1393
01:23:42,739 --> 01:23:45,363
This is just a cover.
It's a dupe.
1394
01:23:46,184 --> 01:23:48,657
- This isn't happening now.
- But what is happening?
1395
01:23:57,171 --> 01:24:01,215
That's what you wanted, wasn't it?
We just gave you what you wanted.
1396
01:24:01,295 --> 01:24:05,621
Stop it!
Stop it! Stop it...
1397
01:24:08,123 --> 01:24:10,880
There's a wind in the studio.
Have you ever heard of wind in a...
1398
01:24:11,379 --> 01:24:14,348
- How many observers do we have tonight?
- I don't understand.
1399
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,100
Jesus, Michael, we've created a séance.
A massive séance.
1400
01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:21,702
Where are we now?
1401
01:24:21,782 --> 01:24:25,507
What's this... This...
This could be live.
1402
01:24:25,587 --> 01:24:28,010
Is this happening outside the house?
I think it is.
1403
01:24:28,332 --> 01:24:29,552
It's Mike.
1404
01:24:35,113 --> 01:24:37,680
We've got to assume this
is live, actually happening.
1405
01:24:39,649 --> 01:24:41,070
Is that Kimmy? Yes.
1406
01:24:43,027 --> 01:24:44,089
Pam...
1407
01:24:46,182 --> 01:24:47,280
Mum!
1408
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,423
We've seen... We've seen Mike come out.
1409
01:24:59,784 --> 01:25:01,225
We've seen Kim.
1410
01:25:01,606 --> 01:25:04,049
We've seen... We've seen Pam.
1411
01:25:04,991 --> 01:25:06,126
That leaves...
1412
01:25:07,163 --> 01:25:10,143
...Suzanne...and Sarah.
1413
01:25:11,423 --> 01:25:13,580
Now, where are they?
Where can they be?
1414
01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:16,398
- Have we seen them?
- Must be still in there.
1415
01:25:21,218 --> 01:25:22,909
What are these shapes?
1416
01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:28,989
Where are we?
1417
01:25:29,692 --> 01:25:31,857
- What are we seeing here?
- Infrared camera.
1418
01:25:33,776 --> 01:25:36,211
- Who's that?
- Suzie?
1419
01:25:36,291 --> 01:25:37,735
- It's Sarah.
- Is it?
1420
01:25:40,455 --> 01:25:42,838
Suzie, are you there?
1421
01:25:42,918 --> 01:25:44,239
Can't she hear us?
1422
01:25:46,582 --> 01:25:48,564
- Chris?
- Down here.
1423
01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:57,874
- Where are you?
- Here.
1424
01:26:02,161 --> 01:26:05,364
- Can you see if you can see her in that room?
- Hold on.
1425
01:26:20,022 --> 01:26:21,626
No, she's not down here.
1426
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:25,227
I know.
Chris, have you still got your lighter?
1427
01:26:25,415 --> 01:26:26,346
Yeah.
1428
01:26:27,028 --> 01:26:28,365
There you are.
1429
01:26:28,584 --> 01:26:30,568
Got it. There we are.
1430
01:26:47,663 --> 01:26:48,769
There we go.
1431
01:26:50,356 --> 01:26:51,640
Is it OK for you?
1432
01:26:52,098 --> 01:26:54,320
- Is it okay?
- Yeah, hold on.
1433
01:26:56,843 --> 01:26:58,028
Chris, look.
1434
01:27:01,047 --> 01:27:02,669
Sarah?
Sarah!
1435
01:27:04,741 --> 01:27:05,669
Mum!
1436
01:27:06,118 --> 01:27:09,710
Mum, please help me!
Help me, Mum, please!
1437
01:27:09,872 --> 01:27:12,388
- It's okay Suzie, we're here!
- Clear the studio!
1438
01:27:12,468 --> 01:27:13,748
Where are you?
1439
01:27:13,846 --> 01:27:15,249
Mum, help!
1440
01:27:17,533 --> 01:27:18,640
In the Glory Hole.
1441
01:27:18,905 --> 01:27:20,843
- Chris, is this all right?
- Yeah.
1442
01:27:20,923 --> 01:27:22,390
Get off me! Get away!
1443
01:27:22,474 --> 01:27:24,669
It's all right, Suzie.
1444
01:27:28,915 --> 01:27:29,836
Suzie?
1445
01:27:33,256 --> 01:27:36,039
I can't open the door.
It's blocked. - Suzie?
1446
01:27:36,450 --> 01:27:39,231
You've got to try and
push the door open from the inside.
1447
01:27:39,313 --> 01:27:40,555
He's hurting me.
1448
01:27:40,646 --> 01:27:41,520
Come on.
1449
01:27:41,594 --> 01:27:43,148
It's no good.
1450
01:27:43,232 --> 01:27:44,458
Get off me!
1451
01:27:47,672 --> 01:27:48,480
Suzie?
1452
01:27:49,815 --> 01:27:51,348
Thank you, God.
1453
01:27:52,101 --> 01:27:55,250
No one's gonna hurt you.
You're safe here.
1454
01:27:55,330 --> 01:27:57,430
Sarah?
Sarah!
1455
01:28:03,341 --> 01:28:06,033
Clear the studio!
Get out!
1456
01:28:10,455 --> 01:28:11,360
Quickly!
1457
01:28:12,429 --> 01:28:16,920
People are leaving the studio now.
The lights are blowing all over the place.
1458
01:28:17,370 --> 01:28:18,579
No, I'm not going.
1459
01:28:19,688 --> 01:28:21,042
Get the link back.
1460
01:28:21,979 --> 01:28:24,299
Get the link back.
If somebody can get the link back.
1461
01:28:30,103 --> 01:28:32,409
When you assure me
that my wife is safe, I'll go.
1462
01:28:32,489 --> 01:28:35,610
...got an emergency generator,
whether or not we should bring it in, I --
1463
01:28:35,690 --> 01:28:36,621
I'm not going.
1464
01:28:39,858 --> 01:28:44,004
The studio's completely dark,
just blackness now.
1465
01:28:44,244 --> 01:28:47,890
All the lights have failed,
the power's...gone off.
1466
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,089
We've got some...lights in the studio.
1467
01:29:00,809 --> 01:29:02,316
I don't know...
1468
01:29:03,235 --> 01:29:07,378
There's cameras, but I don't know
which one's working. I mean...
1469
01:29:08,377 --> 01:29:10,521
There are no cameramen.
1470
01:29:11,502 --> 01:29:16,577
I mean, it's difficult to know,
even if anybody's still with us, but...
1471
01:29:17,401 --> 01:29:24,209
...if they are, this is the scene in
this studio, this totally deserted studio.
1472
01:29:27,729 --> 01:29:28,710
Autocue's working.
1473
01:29:31,335 --> 01:29:34,620
Round and round the garden,
like a teddy bear.
1474
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:40,868
Didn't believe those stories
about Mother Seddons, did you?
1475
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:43,593
Fee fie foe fum.
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