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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,700 --> 00:00:03,700 -- Captions by VITAC -- www.vitac.com 2 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:05,233 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 3 00:00:05,233 --> 00:00:06,500 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 4 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:07,700 A STUNNING DEVELOPMENT 5 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:10,733 IN THE 15-YEAR-OLD MURDER CASE OF CHANDRA LEVY. 6 00:00:10,733 --> 00:00:14,233 Narrator: IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BAFFLING MYSTERIES IN RECENT HISTORY. 7 00:00:14,233 --> 00:00:18,067 WE ARE STILL ASKING, "WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY?" 8 00:00:18,067 --> 00:00:21,067 TONIGHT, OUR THREE-PART INVESTIGATION REACHES 9 00:00:21,067 --> 00:00:22,667 A REMARKABLE CONCLUSION, 10 00:00:22,667 --> 00:00:25,667 WITH BOMBSHELL COURTROOM REVELATIONS. 11 00:00:25,667 --> 00:00:29,167 SHE LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE, AND SHE SAID, 12 00:00:29,167 --> 00:00:31,400 "YOU ARE LOWER THAN A COCKROACH. 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,433 YOU SHOULD ROT IN HELL." 14 00:00:33,433 --> 00:00:38,133 A STAR WITNESS' EXPLOSIVE SECRET THROWS JUSTICE INTO QUESTION. 15 00:00:38,133 --> 00:00:40,833 HE STARTS SAYING HE COULD KILL SOMEBODY 16 00:00:40,833 --> 00:00:42,100 BY STICKING A SHANK 17 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:44,100 THROUGH THEIR EYEBALL, INTO THEIR BRAIN. 18 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,533 WE SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE PRIME SUSPECT. 19 00:00:46,533 --> 00:00:48,067 [ Speaking Spanish ] 20 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:55,733 Narrator: AND, IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW, 21 00:00:55,733 --> 00:00:57,667 THE LEVY FAMILY'S INVESTIGATOR 22 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:00,867 TELLS US WHAT HE THINKS HAPPENED TO CHANDRA. 23 00:01:00,867 --> 00:01:03,333 I'M SATISFIED THAT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 24 00:01:03,333 --> 00:01:07,067 [ SUSPENSEFUL OUTRO PLAYS ] 25 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:12,433 Alexander: THIS TRULY WAS THE CRAZIEST CASE EVER TO HIT WASHINGTON, DC. 26 00:01:12,433 --> 00:01:15,067 Dimond: WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY? 27 00:01:15,067 --> 00:01:17,833 Doyle: THE STORY GOES FROM ZERO TO 60 VERY QUICKLY. 28 00:01:17,833 --> 00:01:22,433 Dimond: WHY IS A 53-YEAR-OLD CONGRESSMAN CALLING A YOUNG INTERN? 29 00:01:22,433 --> 00:01:24,067 Chung: DID YOU KILL CHANDRA LEVY? 30 00:01:24,067 --> 00:01:25,633 I DID NOT. 31 00:01:25,633 --> 00:01:29,067 Grimm: THEY SIMPLY FOUND BONES IN A PARK ALMOST A YEAR AFTER. 32 00:01:29,067 --> 00:01:31,267 Alexander: THERE WERE NO EYEWITNESSES. 33 00:01:31,267 --> 00:01:32,767 THERE WAS NO MURDER WEAPON. 34 00:01:32,767 --> 00:01:34,767 Dimond: THEY'D FINALLY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, 35 00:01:34,767 --> 00:01:36,267 AND IT POINTED TO ONE MAN: 36 00:01:36,267 --> 00:01:38,533 INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 37 00:01:38,533 --> 00:01:42,500 Grimm: MR. MORALES WAS A JAILHOUSE SNITCH, A RAT. 38 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:45,367 Velez-Mitchell: THIS CASE THAT TOOK SO MANY YEARS TO BUILD 39 00:01:45,367 --> 00:01:47,133 HAS COLLAPSED OVERNIGHT. 40 00:01:47,133 --> 00:01:49,100 [ DISTORTED TUNE PLAYS ] 41 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:51,800 Susan: IT'S THE WORST THING A MOTHER COULD EVER FACE. 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,533 ** 43 00:01:54,533 --> 00:01:56,300 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 44 00:01:56,300 --> 00:02:00,267 FOR MONTHS, PROSECUTORS IN THE CHANDRA LEVY INVESTIGATION 45 00:02:00,267 --> 00:02:04,267 HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD A CASE AGAINST INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 46 00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:05,767 MR. GUANDIQUE PLED GUILTY 47 00:02:05,767 --> 00:02:07,833 TO ASSAULTING TWO WOMEN IN ROCK CREEK PARK, 48 00:02:07,833 --> 00:02:10,867 WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF WHERE MISS LEVY DISAPPEARED, 49 00:02:10,867 --> 00:02:13,500 AND HE WAS SENTENCED TO 10 YEARS IN PRISON. 50 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,067 THAT'S WHY THE GOVERNMENT FOCUSED ON HIM AS A SUSPECT. 51 00:02:17,067 --> 00:02:20,767 THE POLICE WERE CONFIDENT THAT THAT WAS THEIR GUY. 52 00:02:20,767 --> 00:02:24,600 Narrator: HOWEVER, THE STATE'S CASE IS ENTIRELY CIRCUMSTANTIAL. 53 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,400 THERE'S NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE THAT CONNECTS HIM 54 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,867 TO CHANDRA LEVY'S DEATH, 55 00:02:28,867 --> 00:02:31,400 AND HE INSISTS HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 56 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,400 IT'S HANGIN' BY A THREAD, THIS CASE. 57 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,300 Narrator: THEN, IN 2009, 58 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:40,333 A MAN STEPS FORWARD AND TRANSFORMS THE INVESTIGATION. 59 00:02:40,333 --> 00:02:44,800 IT WAS A JAILHOUSE INFORMANT WHO CAUGHT EVERYBODY BY SURPRISE. 60 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,133 ARMANDO MORALES IS A FRESNO, CALIFORNIA, NATIVE, 61 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:52,433 A LIFETIME CRIMINAL WITH A LONG RECORD OF VIOLENT CRIMES. 62 00:02:52,433 --> 00:02:55,700 MORALES SAID THAT INGMAR GUANDIQUE TOLD HIM 63 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:56,900 HE KILLED CHANDRA LEVY 64 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:59,467 IN ROCK CREEK PARK. [ EERIE MUSIC CLIMBS ] 65 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:01,233 Velez-Mitchell: THIS IS A BIG BREAKTHROUGH FOR COPS. 66 00:03:01,233 --> 00:03:02,900 IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER. 67 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:05,533 TODAY WE MAKE A VERY SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT. 68 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:06,667 WE ANNOUNCE THAT THE 69 00:03:06,667 --> 00:03:09,067 METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE SECURED 70 00:03:09,067 --> 00:03:11,633 AN ARREST WARRANT IN THE HOMICIDE, 71 00:03:11,633 --> 00:03:13,967 IN 2001, OF CHANDRA LEVY. 72 00:03:13,967 --> 00:03:15,500 THE ARRESTEE IS 73 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:17,667 INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 74 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:19,567 PROSECUTORS THINK THEY'VE SOLVED THE CASE. 75 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:22,067 THEY'VE GOT THEIR GUY. 76 00:03:22,067 --> 00:03:24,700 THIS CASE HAS BEEN AN EMOTIONAL ROLLER COASTER. 77 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:27,667 WHEN GUANDIQUE WAS ARRESTED, I JUST THOUGHT, 78 00:03:27,667 --> 00:03:31,933 "FINALLY, FINALLY, THIS CASE CLOSES." 79 00:03:31,933 --> 00:03:33,233 Narrator: ON OCTOBER 18, 80 00:03:33,233 --> 00:03:36,433 NEARLY 10 YEARS AFTER CHANDRA DISAPPEARED, 81 00:03:36,433 --> 00:03:38,800 THE TRIAL IS SET TO BEGIN. 82 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,267 THERE'S CONSIDERABLE ANTICIPATION ABOUT THIS TRIAL. 83 00:03:41,267 --> 00:03:43,067 IT'S A JAMMED COURTROOM. 84 00:03:43,067 --> 00:03:46,600 THERE ARE PROBABLY A DOZEN OR MORE REPORTERS. 85 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,900 Narrator: HELMING THE PROSECUTION IS VETERAN LITIGATOR AMANDA HAINES. 86 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:54,133 SHE'S AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. 87 00:03:54,133 --> 00:03:58,667 SHE'S HIGHLY EXPERIENCED, HIGHLY THOUGHT OF, VERY AGGRESSIVE. 88 00:03:58,667 --> 00:04:01,267 Alexander: AMANDA HAINES' BIGGEST OBSTACLE IN THIS CASE? 89 00:04:01,267 --> 00:04:02,867 THE FACT THAT IT'S NINE YEARS OLD, 90 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:04,567 THERE'S NO DNA, 91 00:04:04,567 --> 00:04:08,733 THERE IS NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE LINKING GUANDIQUE TO THE CRIME, 92 00:04:08,733 --> 00:04:12,833 THERE'S NO MURDER WEAPON, AND THEY REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW 93 00:04:12,833 --> 00:04:14,900 HOW CHANDRA LEVY DIED. 94 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:17,200 Narrator: FINALLY, THE PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE 95 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,733 BEGIN TO MAKE THEIR RESPECTIVE ARGUMENTS. 96 00:04:20,733 --> 00:04:22,967 BOTH SIDES GIVE THEIR OPENING STATEMENT. 97 00:04:22,967 --> 00:04:26,633 PROSECUTION SAYS, "GUANDIQUE MURDERED THIS WOMAN, 98 00:04:26,633 --> 00:04:28,467 CHOKED HER, ROBBED HER." 99 00:04:28,467 --> 00:04:32,100 THE PROSECUTION WAS SAYING HE TOOK THIS POOR WOMAN APART. 100 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:36,067 Narrator: THEN, HAINES BEGINS TO BUILD HER CASE AGAINST GUANDIQUE 101 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:38,067 AND MAKES A CURIOUS DECISION. 102 00:04:38,067 --> 00:04:41,400 PROSECUTORS, MUCH TO EVERYONE'S SURPRISE, 103 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,867 CALLED A WITNESS WHO NO ONE EXPECTED: 104 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:45,867 GARY CONDIT. 105 00:04:45,867 --> 00:04:47,533 GARY CONDIT WAS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM 106 00:04:47,533 --> 00:04:49,900 THAT HAD TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE PROSECUTORS. 107 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:52,333 THEY KNEW HE WOULD BE COMING UP AS A POTENTIAL 108 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:56,233 ALTERNATIVE SUSPECT IN THE EYES OF THE DEFENSE. 109 00:04:56,233 --> 00:04:59,333 SO THE PROSECUTION TEAM SUMMONED MR. CONDIT 110 00:04:59,333 --> 00:05:02,300 FOR THE PURPOSE OF DENYING HAVING ANYTHING TO DO 111 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:04,467 WITH CHANDRA LEVY'S DISAPPEARANCE. 112 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:06,700 Narrator: CONDIT HAS NEVER PUBLICLY ADMITTED 113 00:05:06,700 --> 00:05:09,633 HE HAD A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA. 114 00:05:09,633 --> 00:05:13,800 NOW, SOME OBSERVERS WONDER IF THAT WILL FINALLY CHANGE. 115 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,900 SO, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF DECLINING TO SPEAK 116 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:21,133 IN ANY SORT OF VIVID DETAIL ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP, 117 00:05:21,133 --> 00:05:23,400 THERE WAS THIS ANTICIPATION THAT, 118 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,300 UNDER THE PRESSURE OF HIS OATH AND IN THE PRESENCE OF A JUDGE, 119 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:30,300 HE WOULD FINALLY SPILL THE BEANS. 120 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:33,067 WHEN GARY CONDIT CAME INTO THE COURTHOUSE IN 2010 121 00:05:33,067 --> 00:05:35,500 FOR THIS TRIAL, HE WAS A REGULAR CITIZEN, 122 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:38,433 BUT HE WAS STILL TREATED, BY THE COURTS, 123 00:05:38,433 --> 00:05:42,833 BY PROSECUTORS, AND BY POLICE, AS A DIGNITARY. 124 00:05:42,833 --> 00:05:44,633 Grimm: EVERYONE'S ON THE EDGE OF THEIR SEATS. 125 00:05:44,633 --> 00:05:48,133 CONGRESSMAN CONDIT RAISES HIS HAND TO TELL THE TRUTH, 126 00:05:48,133 --> 00:05:49,900 [ HEARTBEAT ] THEN HE WAS ASKED 127 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:53,367 ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MISS LEVY. 128 00:05:53,367 --> 00:05:55,567 HE TELLS THE COURT THAT, INDEED, 129 00:05:55,567 --> 00:05:57,767 THE PAIR HAD A FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIP, 130 00:05:57,767 --> 00:05:59,833 THAT HE WAS A MENTOR TO HER, 131 00:05:59,833 --> 00:06:03,767 AND THAT THE PAIR NEVER HAD ANY DISAGREEMENTS. 132 00:06:03,767 --> 00:06:05,967 HE WAS VERY STEELY-EYED, VERY CALM, 133 00:06:05,967 --> 00:06:08,433 AND HE DID NOT GET EMOTIONAL. 134 00:06:08,433 --> 00:06:10,967 HE EMPHATICALLY DENIES HAVING ANYTHING TO DO 135 00:06:10,967 --> 00:06:13,600 WITH CHANDRA'S DISAPPEARANCE AND MURDER. 136 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,567 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 137 00:06:15,567 --> 00:06:20,167 SO GARY CONDIT WAS ON THE STAND FOR ONE PURPOSE, ALONE, 138 00:06:20,167 --> 00:06:23,433 FOR THE PROSECUTION, BUT, AS PART OF THAT APPEARANCE, 139 00:06:23,433 --> 00:06:26,367 HE HAD TO FACE THE DEFENSE TEAM AS WELL. 140 00:06:26,367 --> 00:06:30,133 THE DEFENSE WANTED TO GET MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP 141 00:06:30,133 --> 00:06:32,733 BETWEEN GARY CONDIT AND CHANDRA LEVY. 142 00:06:32,733 --> 00:06:34,433 THEY ASKED THE QUESTIONS REPEATEDLY: 143 00:06:34,433 --> 00:06:36,933 "DID YOU HAVE A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP?" 144 00:06:36,933 --> 00:06:40,067 CONDIT SAID, "MY RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA LEVY 145 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:42,900 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE. 146 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:46,067 I AM NOT ON TRIAL, SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO ANYTHING 147 00:06:46,067 --> 00:06:48,767 ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA LEVY," 148 00:06:48,767 --> 00:06:51,067 AND THE JUDGE AGREED WITH THAT. 149 00:06:51,067 --> 00:06:52,500 HE JUST LOOKED AT THE DEFENSE LAWYER AND SAID, 150 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:54,633 "I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HER DISAPPEARANCE," 151 00:06:54,633 --> 00:06:55,933 AND ESSENTIALLY CHALLENGED HIM. 152 00:06:55,933 --> 00:07:00,133 "IF YOU GOT MORE, JUST BRING IT, BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T" 153 00:07:00,133 --> 00:07:01,467 AND THAT WAS IT. 154 00:07:01,467 --> 00:07:05,167 AND...THE AIR SORT OF COMES OUT OF THE BALLOON. 155 00:07:05,167 --> 00:07:07,467 Alexander: HE WAS ON THE STAND FOR ALL OF 10 MINUTES. 156 00:07:07,467 --> 00:07:10,900 PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN EMOTIONAL, 157 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:15,167 A REVEALING, TESTIMONY, BUT IT WASN'T. 158 00:07:15,167 --> 00:07:18,200 THE CONGRESSMAN CAME ACROSS AS DEFENSIVE 159 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,467 AND UNFORTHCOMING AND UNHELPFUL AND ANGRY 160 00:07:21,467 --> 00:07:23,433 AT THE POSITION HE HAD BEEN PUT IN. 161 00:07:23,433 --> 00:07:26,067 TO PUT CONDIT ON THE STAND, BY THAT PROSECUTION, 162 00:07:26,067 --> 00:07:30,867 WAS A VERY CLEVER AND TACTICALLY SMART THING TO DO. 163 00:07:30,867 --> 00:07:32,400 Narrator: THEN, THE STATE ATTEMPTS 164 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,533 TO DIRECTLY LINK GUANDIQUE TO THE CRIME. 165 00:07:35,533 --> 00:07:38,700 THE PROSECUTION'S CASE: THEY DIDN'T HAVE EYEWITNESSES, 166 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:39,967 THEY DIDN'T HAVE FORENSIC EVIDENCE, 167 00:07:39,967 --> 00:07:41,333 THEY DIDN'T HAVE DNA, FINGERPRINTS, 168 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:43,533 ALL THE TRADITIONAL STUFF JURORS LOOK FOR. 169 00:07:43,533 --> 00:07:48,200 WHAT THEY HAD WERE OTHER WOMEN THAT HAD RUN IN THE PARK. 170 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Narrator: CHRISTY WIEGAND AND HALLE SHILLING 171 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,333 ARE CALLED TO THE STAND. 172 00:07:52,333 --> 00:07:57,067 THE MOST EMOTIONAL TIME WAS THE TESTIMONY OF THE WOMEN 173 00:07:57,067 --> 00:08:00,500 WHO WERE ASSAULTED BY INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 174 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:02,733 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 175 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:06,067 Dimond: THEY PUT THAT JURY INSIDE ROCK CREEK PARK, 176 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:07,333 WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING. 177 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:09,933 THEIR TESTIMONY WAS CHILLING. 178 00:08:09,933 --> 00:08:11,533 ONE WOMAN BROKE DOWN INTO TEARS. 179 00:08:11,533 --> 00:08:13,500 THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS MAN WAS GOING TO RAPE THEM, 180 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:16,067 THAT THIS MAN WAS GOING TO STAB THEM AND KILL THEM, 181 00:08:16,067 --> 00:08:19,267 AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE JURY HEARD 182 00:08:19,267 --> 00:08:22,733 WHAT WAS POSSIBLY GOING THROUGH CHANDRA LEVY'S MIND 183 00:08:22,733 --> 00:08:24,800 AND THE JURY WAS RIVETED. 184 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,500 THE PROSECUTION WAS SAYING, "DO YOU SEE HIM IN THE COURTROOM?" 185 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:31,433 AND SHE SAYS, "YES. HE'S SEATED OVER THERE." 186 00:08:31,433 --> 00:08:36,233 IT WAS SO DRAMATIC BECAUSE THE MAN WHO ATTACKED THEM 187 00:08:36,233 --> 00:08:39,067 COULD VERY WELL HAVE BEEN THE MAN WHO ATTACKED CHANDRA LEVY 188 00:08:39,067 --> 00:08:42,067 AND LEFT HER FOR DEAD IN THAT RAVINE. 189 00:08:42,067 --> 00:08:43,267 IT WAS COMPELLING. 190 00:08:43,267 --> 00:08:45,067 I FELT LIKE HE WAS IN A LOT OF TROUBLE 191 00:08:45,067 --> 00:08:47,567 WHEN THAT TESTIMONY CAME IN. 192 00:08:47,567 --> 00:08:51,067 Narrator: TO PAINT A DETAILED PICTURE OF CHANDRA'S FINAL MOMENTS, 193 00:08:51,067 --> 00:08:53,833 THE STATE CALLS ITS STAR WITNESS. 194 00:08:53,833 --> 00:08:57,233 SO THE PROSECUTION HAD ONE WITNESS 195 00:08:57,233 --> 00:08:59,667 THEY BELIEVED WOULD SEAL THIS CASE 196 00:08:59,667 --> 00:09:02,933 AND THEY CALLED THAT ONE WITNESS TO THE STAND. 197 00:09:02,933 --> 00:09:05,567 THAT WAS ARMANDO MORALES. 198 00:09:05,567 --> 00:09:10,067 HE HAD GLASSES, SOFT-SPOKEN, AND HE TOLD A STORY 199 00:09:10,067 --> 00:09:14,167 THAT HE WAS AN OLD-SCHOOL GANGSTER FROM FRESNO, 200 00:09:14,167 --> 00:09:16,067 BUT THAT, OVER THE YEARS IN PRISON, 201 00:09:16,067 --> 00:09:18,067 HIS LIFE HAD TURNED AROUND 202 00:09:18,067 --> 00:09:21,233 AND HE HAD GIVEN UP THAT GANGSTER LIFESTYLE. 203 00:09:21,233 --> 00:09:22,933 AND HE SAYS THAT HE HADN'T HAD 204 00:09:22,933 --> 00:09:25,733 A PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH INFORMING. 205 00:09:25,733 --> 00:09:29,300 Alexander: HE SAID, "I'M JUST DOING THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO HELP. 206 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:30,567 I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. 207 00:09:30,567 --> 00:09:32,433 I'M UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS, 208 00:09:32,433 --> 00:09:35,433 BUT I WANT TO HELP THE LEVY FAMILY." 209 00:09:35,433 --> 00:09:37,400 Narrator: MORALES THEN SHARES WITH THE JURY 210 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,633 EXACTLY WHAT GUANDIQUE TOLD HIM ABOUT THE CRIME. 211 00:09:41,633 --> 00:09:46,533 THEY HEAR HOW INGMAR GUANDIQUE IS HIGH ON DRUGS, 212 00:09:46,533 --> 00:09:49,433 NEEDS MONEY TO HELP WITH HIS DRUG HABITS, 213 00:09:49,433 --> 00:09:53,500 AND HOW HE IS HIDING IN THE BUSHES, LIKE HE DID PREVIOUSLY, 214 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:55,133 IN THOSE ATTACKS THAT HE PLED GUILTY TO. 215 00:09:55,133 --> 00:09:56,467 [ SINISTER MUSIC PLAYS ] 216 00:09:56,467 --> 00:09:58,633 CHANDRA LEVY COMES THROUGH. 217 00:09:58,633 --> 00:10:01,033 GUANDIQUE JUMPS OUT THE BUSHES 218 00:10:01,033 --> 00:10:04,367 AND ATTACKS CHANDRA AND DRAGS HER INTO THE WOODS. 219 00:10:04,367 --> 00:10:07,433 HE TRIES TO SMOTHER AND TRIES TO STEAL HER MONEY POUCH. 220 00:10:07,433 --> 00:10:09,367 BUT, DURING THAT COURSE OF ACTION, 221 00:10:09,367 --> 00:10:11,767 LEVY BECOMES UNCONSCIOUS. 222 00:10:11,767 --> 00:10:13,367 HE LEAVES HER THERE IN THE WOODS 223 00:10:13,367 --> 00:10:15,600 AND HE GRABS HER MONEY POUCH AND HE RUNS. 224 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,067 HE DID NOT THINK SHE WAS DEAD. 225 00:10:17,067 --> 00:10:19,267 HE DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS DEAD. 226 00:10:19,267 --> 00:10:22,533 Narrator: THE INFORMANT'S TESTIMONY GRIPS THE COURTROOM. 227 00:10:22,533 --> 00:10:24,267 Alexander: MORALES WAS VERY CHARISMATIC. 228 00:10:24,267 --> 00:10:26,700 HE WAS VERY FORTHCOMING. HE SMILED. 229 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,800 HE LOOKED AT THE JURY FROM TIME TO TIME, WHEN HE COMMENTED. 230 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,667 I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS CANDOR. 231 00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:34,767 I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT IT LOOKED LIKE 232 00:10:34,767 --> 00:10:36,800 HE WAS HONEST ABOUT EVERYTHING. 233 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,533 IT JUST SEEMED VERY SURREAL. 234 00:10:39,533 --> 00:10:40,733 I JUST LISTENED. 235 00:10:40,733 --> 00:10:43,500 I SAID, "THIS IS DAMN PAINFUL." 236 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:46,767 Alexander: HE WAS SUCH A POWERFUL STAR WITNESS. 237 00:10:46,767 --> 00:10:48,633 HE WAS SO KEY TO THE PROSECUTION THAT, 238 00:10:48,633 --> 00:10:51,033 AFTER HE TOOK THE STAND, THE PROSECUTION RESTED. 239 00:10:51,033 --> 00:10:52,800 [ SINISTER MUSIC CLIMBS ] HE WAS ALL THEY NEEDED. 240 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,900 OR SO THEY BELIEVED. 241 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:57,200 Narrator: WHEN GUANDIQUE'S LAWYERS TAKE OVER, 242 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,900 THEY ATTEMPT TO POKE HOLES IN THE PROSECUTION'S CASE. 243 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:03,967 THE DEFENSE HAS GOING FOR THEM THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO PROOF 244 00:11:03,967 --> 00:11:05,833 THAT THIS WOMAN WAS EVEN MURDERED. 245 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:08,467 THEY SIMPLY FOUND BONES AND REMAINS IN A PARK 246 00:11:08,467 --> 00:11:10,367 ALMOST A YEAR AFTER. 247 00:11:10,367 --> 00:11:13,467 Narrator: THEN, TO CAST SUSPICION AWAY FROM THEIR CLIENT, 248 00:11:13,467 --> 00:11:16,833 THE DEFENSE INTRODUCES AN ALTERNATE THEORY. 249 00:11:16,833 --> 00:11:18,967 IT CENTERS ON A LITTLE-REPORTED DETAIL 250 00:11:18,967 --> 00:11:22,367 THAT EMERGED AFTER CHANDRA DISAPPEARED. 251 00:11:22,367 --> 00:11:25,100 IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING BEFORE SHE VANISHED, 252 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:28,133 SOMEBODY CALLED 911, SAYING THEY HEARD A SCREAM 253 00:11:28,133 --> 00:11:31,433 COMING FROM THE VICINITY OF CHANDRA LEVY'S APARTMENT. 254 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:33,600 COULD SHE HAVE EVEN BEEN KILLED IN HER APARTMENT 255 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,933 AND MOVED AND DUMPED IN THE PARK? 256 00:11:36,933 --> 00:11:38,833 Narrator: TO FURTHER SUPPORT THIS THEORY, 257 00:11:38,833 --> 00:11:42,967 THE DEFENSE INTRODUCES ANOTHER, CURIOUS, DETAIL. 258 00:11:42,967 --> 00:11:44,267 WHEN THE LEVYS BECAME WORRIED 259 00:11:44,267 --> 00:11:45,700 BECAUSE THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM CHANDRA, 260 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:48,833 THEY CALLED THE BUILDING MANAGER IN WASHINGTON, DC 261 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:51,567 AND SAID, "PLEASE, SLIP A NOTE UNDERNEATH THE DOOR. 262 00:11:51,567 --> 00:11:54,733 TELL HER TO CALL HER PARENTS, CALL HOME." 263 00:11:54,733 --> 00:11:57,067 THEY ASKED THE BUILDING MANAGER TO DO THAT SEVERAL TIMES, 264 00:11:57,067 --> 00:11:59,067 SO THERE WERE SEVERAL NOTES. 265 00:11:59,067 --> 00:12:00,433 AT THE GUANDIQUE TRIAL, 266 00:12:00,433 --> 00:12:04,233 THE DEFENSE BROUGHT UP A FASCINATING LITTLE TIDBIT: 267 00:12:04,233 --> 00:12:08,633 THAT THE NOTES WERE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE APARTMENT, 268 00:12:08,633 --> 00:12:10,667 NOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR. 269 00:12:10,667 --> 00:12:12,700 THIS, THE DEFENSE SAID, WAS AN INDICATION 270 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:14,767 THAT SOMEBODY HAD BEEN IN THAT APARTMENT 271 00:12:14,767 --> 00:12:18,567 AFTER CHANDRA LEVY WAS THOUGHT TO HAVE DISAPPEARED. 272 00:12:18,567 --> 00:12:21,933 Narrator: THE DEFENSE SUGGESTS IT MAY HAVE BEEN CHANDRA'S KILLER 273 00:12:21,933 --> 00:12:24,167 RETURNING TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME. 274 00:12:24,167 --> 00:12:26,067 Grimm: I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. 275 00:12:26,067 --> 00:12:28,767 IF I'M A JUROR, I ALREADY HAVE A REASONABLE DOUBT. 276 00:12:28,767 --> 00:12:32,500 Narrator: AFTER 10 DAYS OF TESTIMONY, THE TRIAL CONCLUDES 277 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:36,100 AND THE JURY BEGINS THE PROCESS OF DELIBERATION. 278 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:37,467 A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT 279 00:12:37,467 --> 00:12:40,600 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A HUNG JURY. 280 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,067 MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE, 3.5 DAYS LATER, THEY COME BACK. 281 00:12:43,067 --> 00:12:44,800 THEY ANNOUNCE THEY HAVE A VERDICT. 282 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,367 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 283 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:49,933 ** 284 00:12:49,933 --> 00:12:53,667 Narrator: THE CHANDRA LEVY MURDER TRIAL IS DRAWING TO A CLOSE. 285 00:12:53,667 --> 00:12:56,367 NOW, AFTER 10 DAYS OF TESTIMONY, 286 00:12:56,367 --> 00:13:01,800 THE FATE OF INGMAR GUANDIQUE RESTS IN THE HANDS OF THE JURY. 287 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,133 I'M KEITH ALEXANDER, A PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING REPORTER 288 00:13:04,133 --> 00:13:06,333 WITH THE WASHINGTON POST. 289 00:13:06,333 --> 00:13:07,867 A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT 290 00:13:07,867 --> 00:13:10,400 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A HUNG JURY. 291 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,267 WE DID NOT THINK ALL 12 JURORS WOULD BE ABLE 292 00:13:12,267 --> 00:13:14,533 TO COME BACK WITH A VERDICT. 293 00:13:14,533 --> 00:13:18,233 MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE, 3.5 DAYS LATER, THEY COME BACK. 294 00:13:18,233 --> 00:13:21,267 THE JURY FOREMAN ANNOUNCED THEY HAD REACHED A VERDICT. 295 00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:22,500 [ EERIE MUSIC PLAYS ] 296 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:25,733 THE JUDGE SAYS TO THE FOREPERSON, 297 00:13:25,733 --> 00:13:29,200 "HOW DO YOU FIND THE DEFENDANT ON COUNT 1 OF THE INDICTMENT, 298 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,733 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE OF CHANDRA LEVY?" 299 00:13:32,733 --> 00:13:36,067 AND THE FOREMAN DOES NOT BLINK 300 00:13:36,067 --> 00:13:37,433 AND HE SAYS, "GUILTY." 301 00:13:37,433 --> 00:13:39,800 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 302 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,733 Alexander: WHEN THE VERDICT WAS ANNOUNCED, 303 00:13:41,733 --> 00:13:44,167 GUANDIQUE, HE WAS LISTENING TO A TRANSLATOR. 304 00:13:44,167 --> 00:13:47,200 HE YANKED THE HEADPHONES OFF AND THREW THEM DOWN ON THE TABLE 305 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,300 BEFORE HE WAS LED OUT OF THE COURTROOM. 306 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:51,200 IT WAS A VERY EMOTIONAL TIME. 307 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,667 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] THE JURY, JUST A SHORT TIME AGO, 308 00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:56,500 HANDED DOWN A GUILTY VERDICT IN CHANDRA LEVY'S MURDER TRIAL. 309 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,600 THIS IS CHANDRA LEVY'S MOTHER. 310 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,333 LET'S LISTEN TO HER. -I'M SORRY. 311 00:14:00,333 --> 00:14:02,100 I'M EMOTIONAL HERE. 312 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:04,967 THE RESULT OF THE VERDICT 313 00:14:04,967 --> 00:14:08,367 MAY BE GUILTY, BUT I HAVE A LIFETIME SENTENCE 314 00:14:08,367 --> 00:14:14,467 OF A LOST LAMB, MISSING FROM OUR FAMILY TREE. 315 00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:16,400 Alexander: THE PROSECUTION, THEY WERE EXCITED. 316 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,400 AMANDA HAINES SAID, "MIRACLES DO HAPPEN." 317 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,333 SHE WAS SO ELATED THAT THERE WAS A GUILTY VERDICT. 318 00:14:22,333 --> 00:14:25,600 PROSECUTION DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE CASE. 319 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,800 THEY CALLED CONDIT. 320 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,267 THEY KILLED THAT DEFENSE. 321 00:14:28,267 --> 00:14:30,433 THEY SET UP THE STAGE FOR MR. MORALES, 322 00:14:30,433 --> 00:14:32,433 PUT HIM ON THE STAND. 323 00:14:32,433 --> 00:14:34,067 HE WAS GOOD. HE WAS VERY GOOD. 324 00:14:34,067 --> 00:14:37,533 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 325 00:14:37,533 --> 00:14:39,333 Narrator: NEARLY 3 MONTHS LATER, 326 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:42,400 GUANDIQUE'S SENTENCING HEARING COMMENCES. 327 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,933 AS IS CUSTOM, THE VICTIM'S FAMILY IS INVITED TO SPEAK. 328 00:14:46,933 --> 00:14:48,667 CHANDRA LEVY'S MOTHER GOES TO THE PODIUM 329 00:14:48,667 --> 00:14:50,367 AND SHE TALKS ABOUT HER DAUGHTER. 330 00:14:50,367 --> 00:14:52,767 AND THEN SHE DID SOMETHING I'D NEVER HEARD. 331 00:14:52,767 --> 00:14:58,067 VICTIMS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO TALK TO THE PERSON WHO 332 00:14:58,067 --> 00:14:59,400 DID THE DEED. 333 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,200 SHE LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE AND SHE SAID, 334 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,967 "YOU KNOW, YOU ARE A HIDEOUS CREATURE. 335 00:15:05,967 --> 00:15:08,233 YOU ARE LOWER THAN A COCKROACH. 336 00:15:08,233 --> 00:15:13,067 YOU SHOULD ROT IN HELL" AND IT WAS VERY DRAMATIC. 337 00:15:13,067 --> 00:15:16,367 AND THEN SHE LOOKS AT MR. GUANDIQUE AND SAYS, 338 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:19,500 "FINALLY, MR. GUANDIQUE, [BLEEP] YOU"... 339 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:20,900 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 340 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:23,900 AND TURNS AND SITS DOWN. 341 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:28,133 GUANDIQUE IS SENTENCED TO 60 YEARS BEHIND BARS. 342 00:15:28,133 --> 00:15:30,933 IT'S CONSIDERED A BIG WIN FOR PROSECUTORS. 343 00:15:30,933 --> 00:15:33,267 NOW, GUANDIQUE WOULD BE AT LEAST 80 YEARS OLD 344 00:15:33,267 --> 00:15:35,200 BEFORE HE COULD FIRST BE RELEASED. 345 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,233 THE JUDGE SENTENCING HIM SAID HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, 346 00:15:37,233 --> 00:15:39,467 IF HE LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BE RELEASED, 347 00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:42,933 THAT HE WOULD NOT BE A DANGER TO SOCIETY. 348 00:15:42,933 --> 00:15:47,867 Narrator: FOR THE LEVYS, IT SEEMS THAT JUSTICE HAS FINALLY BEEN SERVED. 349 00:15:47,867 --> 00:15:50,067 FOR THE LEVYS, THIS CASE IS CLOSED. 350 00:15:50,067 --> 00:15:51,600 BUT, EMOTIONALLY, THERE IS NO CLOSURE. 351 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,767 THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THEIR LOVED ONE. 352 00:15:52,767 --> 00:15:54,467 THEY WILL NEVER HAVE THEIR LOVED ONE BACK. 353 00:15:54,467 --> 00:15:57,267 BUT IN TERMS OF SOMEONE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS CASE, 354 00:15:57,267 --> 00:15:59,167 THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. 355 00:15:59,167 --> 00:16:01,167 [ SUSPENSEFUL OUTRO PLAYS ] 356 00:16:01,167 --> 00:16:02,733 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] Narrator: THE LEVYS 357 00:16:02,733 --> 00:16:07,133 RETURN TO CALIFORNIA AND ATTEMPT TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. 358 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,733 BUT THEN, ALMOST 5 YEARS LATER, 359 00:16:09,733 --> 00:16:12,233 A MYSTERIOUS FIGURE STEPS FORWARD, 360 00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:16,733 WITH A BIZARRE TALE THAT, SHE SAYS, IS RELATED TO THE CASE. 361 00:16:16,733 --> 00:16:20,133 THIS WOMAN, WHO GOES BY THE NAME OF BABS PROLLER, 362 00:16:20,133 --> 00:16:23,900 SHE COMES TO THE WASHINGTON POST AND SHE HAS SOME INFORMATION. 363 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:26,067 SHE'S AN OCCASIONAL ACTRESS 364 00:16:26,067 --> 00:16:28,733 WITH THE NETFLIX SERIES "HOUSE OF CARDS." 365 00:16:28,733 --> 00:16:32,500 WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WOULD BE THE WOMAN 366 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:37,100 WHO WOULD BLOW THE ENTIRE CASE APART. 367 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:40,633 Narrator: PROLLER EXPLAINS TO THE POST THAT SHE'S RECENTLY DIVORCED 368 00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:44,267 AND HAS BEEN LIVING AT A HOTEL IN ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND. 369 00:16:44,267 --> 00:16:47,567 THERE, SHE HAD AN UNEXPECTED ENCOUNTER. 370 00:16:47,567 --> 00:16:48,767 IT WAS ON ONE PARTICULAR DAY 371 00:16:48,767 --> 00:16:50,600 THAT SHE WAS WALKING WITH HER DOG 372 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,067 WHEN THE DOG GOT CAUGHT IN THE DOOR. 373 00:16:53,067 --> 00:16:55,567 AND THIS MAN KIND OF SWOOPED IN OUT OF NOWHERE 374 00:16:55,567 --> 00:16:57,367 AND SAVED HER DOG. 375 00:16:57,367 --> 00:17:00,067 AND, IN AN ACT OF CHIVALRY, THIS GUY PICKS THE DOG UP 376 00:17:00,067 --> 00:17:01,967 AND CARRIES THE DOG INTO THE HOTEL 377 00:17:01,967 --> 00:17:04,767 AND SHE THINKS, "OH, HE'S AN ANIMAL LOVER." 378 00:17:04,767 --> 00:17:08,133 Narrator: THE FELLOW HOTEL GUEST INTRODUCES HIMSELF AS PHOENIX 379 00:17:08,133 --> 00:17:11,633 AND EXPLAINS THAT HE'S VISITING THE AREA. 380 00:17:11,633 --> 00:17:16,600 THE TWO OF THEM BEGAN TALKING AND THEY STRUCK UP A FRIENDSHIP. 381 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:17,900 THEY TALKED ABOUT BUDDHISM. 382 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:20,100 THEY TALKED ABOUT LOVE OF DOGS. 383 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:24,433 THEY TALKED ABOUT LIFE, SO SHE FELT SAFE WITH THIS MAN. 384 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:26,467 Narrator: THE TWO BEGIN SOCIALIZING 385 00:17:26,467 --> 00:17:30,433 AND, SOON, PHOENIX CONFIDES A DARK, PERSONAL HISTORY. 386 00:17:30,433 --> 00:17:33,767 OVER SEVERAL DATES, HE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT HIS PAST, 387 00:17:33,767 --> 00:17:38,433 HIS CRIMINAL PAST, AND THAT HE SPENT TIME IN PRISON. 388 00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:41,767 HE STARTS TALKING LIKE A CON 389 00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:44,067 AND TALKING ABOUT HIS VIOLENT TENDENCIES 390 00:17:44,067 --> 00:17:46,467 AND SAYING HOW HE COULD KILL SOMEBODY 391 00:17:46,467 --> 00:17:50,400 BY STICKING A SHANK THROUGH THEIR EYEBALL, INTO THEIR BRAIN. 392 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,667 Narrator: ACCORDING TO PROLLER, PHOENIX'S TALK QUICKLY TURNED 393 00:17:53,667 --> 00:17:56,200 FROM BOASTFUL TO MENACING. 394 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,900 AT ONE POINT, THEY'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION 395 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,500 AND HE BEGINS TO THREATEN 396 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:03,067 AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD ROBBED HER. 397 00:18:03,067 --> 00:18:05,067 HE OFFERS TO KILL THE MAN 398 00:18:05,067 --> 00:18:09,167 WHO RECENTLY STOLE SOME JEWELRY FROM HER. 399 00:18:09,167 --> 00:18:10,900 HE SAID, "LOOK. HE STOLE FROM YOU 400 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:13,500 AND SO I WILL TAKE CARE OF HIM." 401 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,300 Velez-Mitchell: SHE SUDDENLY BECOMES AFRAID FOR HER OWN SAFETY. 402 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:18,300 I MEAN, WHAT IS THIS GUY CAPABLE OF? 403 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,433 COULD HE DO SOMETHING TO HER? 404 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:24,533 Narrator: PROLLER EXPLAINS THAT SHE THEN TOOK PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES. 405 00:18:24,533 --> 00:18:27,333 SO SHE BEGAN SECRETLY RECORDING THEIR CONVERSATIONS. 406 00:18:27,333 --> 00:18:30,067 SHE WAS RECORDING HIM JUST FOR SAFETY. 407 00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:33,833 AND, DURING THESE HOURS AND HOURS OF CONVERSATION, 408 00:18:33,833 --> 00:18:37,067 HE ALSO TELLS BABS PROLLER SOMETHING ELSE. 409 00:18:37,067 --> 00:18:39,733 ONE OF THE THINGS HE REVEALS IS THAT HE WAS A WITNESS 410 00:18:39,733 --> 00:18:41,700 IN A HIGH-PROFILE MURDER CASE. 411 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:43,333 [ SUSPENSEFUL CHORD STRIKES ] 412 00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:45,500 ACCORDING TO HER, HE GOES ON TO REVEAL 413 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:47,633 THAT, NOT ONLY WAS HE A WITNESS, 414 00:18:47,633 --> 00:18:50,667 BUT HE LIED ON THE STAND. 415 00:18:50,667 --> 00:18:53,367 HE TELLS BABS HE ACTUALLY FABRICATED HIS STORY 416 00:18:53,367 --> 00:18:56,667 IN ORDER TO IMPROVE HIS SITUATION IN PRISON. 417 00:18:56,667 --> 00:18:58,767 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHANDRA LEVY CASE. 418 00:18:58,767 --> 00:19:00,233 HER NEW FRIEND, WHO SHE BONDED 419 00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:02,600 AND TALKED TO AND SECRETLY RECORDED? 420 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,800 HIS NAME WAS ARMANDO MORALES. 421 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,267 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 422 00:19:06,267 --> 00:19:11,067 ARMANDO MORALES, THE MAN WHO PUT INGMAR GUANDIQUE IN PRISON. 423 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:12,967 [ SUSPENSEFUL FLOURISH PLAYS ] 424 00:19:12,967 --> 00:19:15,467 Narrator: STUNNED BY THE CONFESSION, PROLLER DECIDES 425 00:19:15,467 --> 00:19:18,733 TO TAKE THE RECORDINGS TO THE WASHINGTON POST. 426 00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:20,700 WHEN WE LISTENED TO ARMANDO MORALES, 427 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,733 HE DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THE SAME MAN 428 00:19:22,733 --> 00:19:26,267 WHO TESTIFIED IN COURT YEARS AGO. 429 00:19:26,267 --> 00:19:28,067 HE STILL SOUNDED LIKE SOMEONE 430 00:19:28,067 --> 00:19:32,867 WHO WAS STILL VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 431 00:19:32,867 --> 00:19:35,067 Narrator: BUT, IN ALL THE HOURS OF RECORDINGS, 432 00:19:35,067 --> 00:19:37,733 ONE PARTICULAR DETAIL IS MISSING. 433 00:19:37,733 --> 00:19:42,967 SHE TOLD US THAT ARMANDO MORALES LIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT 434 00:19:42,967 --> 00:19:47,333 INGMAR GUANDIQUE ADMITTED TO HIM THAT HE KILLED CHANDRA LEVY 435 00:19:47,333 --> 00:19:49,167 AND WE FOUND OUT THAT WASN'T THE TRUTH 436 00:19:49,167 --> 00:19:51,500 WHEN WE LISTENED TO THOSE RECORDINGS OURSELVES. 437 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:55,400 IT'S SUSPICIOUS THAT THIS WOMAN WOULD TELL THE WASHINGTON POST 438 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,467 THAT ARMANDO MADE THIS CONFESSION, 439 00:19:57,467 --> 00:20:01,500 WHICH CALLS INTO QUESTION HER CREDIBILITY AND LEGITIMACY. 440 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:03,333 ** 441 00:20:03,333 --> 00:20:04,667 Narrator: WEEKS LATER, 442 00:20:04,667 --> 00:20:07,700 PROLLER ALSO REACHES OUT TO THE PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE, 443 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:10,533 AND HER TIMING IS MOMENTOUS. 444 00:20:10,533 --> 00:20:14,200 SOON AFTER GUANDIQUE'S SENTENCING IN 2011, 445 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,467 HIS DEFENSE TEAM BEGAN INVESTIGATING 446 00:20:16,467 --> 00:20:19,900 THE CREDIBILITY OF THE STATE'S STAR WITNESS. 447 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:23,567 ON THE STAND, ARMANDO MORALES WAS BELIEVABLE, IN PART, 448 00:20:23,567 --> 00:20:26,233 BECAUSE HE SAID HE'D HAD NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE 449 00:20:26,233 --> 00:20:27,633 AS AN INFORMANT. 450 00:20:27,633 --> 00:20:30,367 WELL, IT TURNED OUT THAT WAS FALSE. 451 00:20:30,367 --> 00:20:32,533 ARMANDO MORALES HAD PROVIDED ASSISTANCE 452 00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:35,333 TO FRESNO COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, 453 00:20:35,333 --> 00:20:38,367 TO BUREAU OF PRISONS OFFICIALS, AND OTHERS, 454 00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:41,767 ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. 455 00:20:41,767 --> 00:20:46,567 THIS INFORMATION HAD APPARENTLY NOT BEEN KNOWN BY THE TRIAL TEAM 456 00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:48,533 AND WAS DEFINITELY NOT KNOWN BY 457 00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:50,567 INGMAR GUANDIQUE'S DEFENSE ATTORNEYS. 458 00:20:50,567 --> 00:20:54,167 HE HAD MAYBE PERJURED HIMSELF IN THE FIRST TRIAL. 459 00:20:54,167 --> 00:20:58,800 HE WAS A JAILHOUSE SNITCH, A RAT, A CREEP, A LIAR. 460 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,667 I WASN'T EVEN CERTAIN HIS NAME WAS MORALES. 461 00:21:01,667 --> 00:21:03,300 SO YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH CREDIBILITY 462 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:06,800 THAT HAVE NOW SURFACED, INVOLVING THEIR STAR WITNESS, 463 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,600 AND, AS A RESULT, DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE SAYING, 464 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,067 "DATE THE MAN A NEW TRIAL," 465 00:21:11,067 --> 00:21:13,933 FOR THEIR CLIENT INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 466 00:21:13,933 --> 00:21:17,467 Narrator: AFTER AN INQUIRY INTO MORALES IN 2015, 467 00:21:17,467 --> 00:21:19,800 GUANDIQUE'S CONVICTION IS VACATED 468 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,167 AND A NEW TRIAL IS ORDERED. 469 00:21:22,167 --> 00:21:25,067 BUT THE TAPES BROUGHT FORWARD BY BABS PROLLER 470 00:21:25,067 --> 00:21:28,767 THROW A WRENCH IN THE PROSECUTION'S NEW CASE. 471 00:21:28,767 --> 00:21:31,500 IN 2010, WHEN ARMANDO MORALES TOOK THE WITNESS STAND, 472 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:33,667 HE WAS THE ONLY PIECE OF EVIDENCE 473 00:21:33,667 --> 00:21:37,133 THAT DIRECTLY LINKED INGMAR GUANDIQUE TO 474 00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:39,167 THE DEATH OF CHANDRA LEVY. 475 00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:42,067 FAST-FORWARD TO 2016. 476 00:21:42,067 --> 00:21:45,367 HE IS STILL THE ONLY PIECE OF EVIDENCE. 477 00:21:45,367 --> 00:21:48,900 AFTER PROSECUTORS LISTENED TO THOSE RECORDINGS THEMSELVES 478 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:51,800 AND THEY HEARD MORALES, SOUNDING LIKE SOMEONE 479 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,067 WHO WAS STILL IN THE LIFE OF CRIME, 480 00:21:54,067 --> 00:21:57,500 THEY REALIZED THEY COULD NOT PUT HIM ON THE STAND AGAIN. 481 00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:00,467 Narrator: ON JULY 28, 2016, 482 00:22:00,467 --> 00:22:02,967 THE STATE MAKES A REMARKABLE ANNOUNCEMENT. 483 00:22:02,967 --> 00:22:05,300 A STUNNING DEVELOPMENT IN THE 15-YEAR-OLD 484 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:08,067 MURDER CASE OF WASHINGTON, DC INTERN CHANDRA LEVY. 485 00:22:08,067 --> 00:22:11,700 PROSECUTORS SUDDENLY DROPPED THE CASE AGAINST THE MAN 486 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:14,633 WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONVICTED OF THAT CRIME. 487 00:22:14,633 --> 00:22:18,467 INGMAR GUANDIQUE IS NOW SET FOR DEPORTATION. 488 00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:23,433 THIS TRULY WAS THE CRAZIEST CASE EVER TO HIT WASHINGTON, DC. 489 00:22:23,433 --> 00:22:25,200 THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HOLLYWOOD WRITERS 490 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,967 COULD NEVER EVEN DREAM OF. 491 00:22:27,967 --> 00:22:29,933 Narrator: STUNNED BY THE TURN OF EVENTS, 492 00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:33,800 THE LEVYS ARE LEFT QUESTIONING THE ACTIONS OF BABS PROLLER. 493 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,167 WELL, I'M PRETTY ANGRY BECAUSE WHY DID SHE DO THAT? 494 00:22:36,167 --> 00:22:37,967 I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT? 495 00:22:37,967 --> 00:22:39,200 WAS SHE TRYING TO HELP US? 496 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,067 NO, SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. 497 00:22:41,067 --> 00:22:43,600 MAYBE SOMEONE PAID HER. 498 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,533 Susan: HOW COULD THEY LET GUANDIQUE JUST GO? 499 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:49,667 IT JUST SEEMS SO STRANGE TO ME. 500 00:22:49,667 --> 00:22:53,867 NOW WE ARE LEFT WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS WE BEGAN WITH: 501 00:22:53,867 --> 00:22:56,267 WHAT TOOK CHANDRA TO ROCK CREEK PARK? 502 00:22:56,267 --> 00:22:58,667 WHAT HAPPENED TO HER THERE? 503 00:22:58,667 --> 00:23:00,900 WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY? 504 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:01,767 AND WHY? 505 00:23:01,767 --> 00:23:05,067 [ SUSPENSEFUL CHORDS STRIKING ] 506 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:08,333 Narrator: INGMAR GUANDIQUE'S 507 00:23:08,333 --> 00:23:10,700 DEFENSE TEAM IS PREPARING FOR A RETRIAL 508 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:13,600 FOR THE MURDER OF CHANDRA LEVY. 509 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,933 BUT WHEN THE PROSECUTION'S STAR WITNESS IS DISCREDITED, 510 00:23:16,933 --> 00:23:18,800 THE CHARGES ARE DROPPED. 511 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,600 THE PAST 15 YEARS, COVERING THE CHANDRA LEVY CASE, 512 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,967 HAVE BEEN AN EXERCISE 513 00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:26,967 IN THE INABILITY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE. 514 00:23:26,967 --> 00:23:29,100 THERE'S BEEN ONE SURPRISE AFTER ANOTHER, 515 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,267 ONE TRAUMA AFTER ANOTHER. 516 00:23:31,267 --> 00:23:33,267 Narrator: IN THE WAKE OF THE SHOCKING NEWS, 517 00:23:33,267 --> 00:23:37,167 IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT THE STORY IS STILL EVOLVING. 518 00:23:37,167 --> 00:23:40,933 IN PRETRIAL HEARINGS, BEFORE THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED, 519 00:23:40,933 --> 00:23:45,533 GUANDIQUE'S LAWYERS LAID OUT PLANS FOR AN EXPLOSIVE DEFENSE. 520 00:23:45,533 --> 00:23:47,433 AND, THIS TIME AROUND, THE DEFENSE TEAM 521 00:23:47,433 --> 00:23:51,467 WERE LASERING IN ON GARY CONDIT. 522 00:23:51,467 --> 00:23:53,767 IN A COURT HEARING, THE DEFENSE ARGUED 523 00:23:53,767 --> 00:23:56,400 THAT CONDIT WAS MORE LIKELY THE PERPETRATOR 524 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,367 BECAUSE HE HAD MOTIVE TO COVER UP 525 00:23:59,367 --> 00:24:02,267 A RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA LEVY, 526 00:24:02,267 --> 00:24:05,367 WHEREAS INGMAR GUANDIQUE WAS A RELATIVE STRANGER. 527 00:24:05,367 --> 00:24:08,900 DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WERE ASKING FOR ALL TYPES OF INFORMATION, 528 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,967 ALL EVIDENCE, RECORDINGS, INTERVIEWS, 529 00:24:11,967 --> 00:24:14,100 INVOLVING GARY CONDIT. 530 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:16,600 Narrator: IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED 531 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,133 IN ONE ASPECT OF THE CONGRESSMAN'S PAST. 532 00:24:20,133 --> 00:24:23,100 THE DEFENSE TEAM INTENDED TO DEPOSE FORMER GIRLFRIENDS 533 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:27,633 WHO CLAIMED THE CONGRESSMAN WAS INTO S&M AND BONDAGE 534 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:32,067 AND THE DEFENSE TEAM ARGUED THAT CHANDRA MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED 535 00:24:32,067 --> 00:24:34,567 IN A SEX ACT GONE HORRIBLY WRONG. 536 00:24:34,567 --> 00:24:37,067 AND WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE, 537 00:24:37,067 --> 00:24:40,633 WHEN CHANDRA LEVY'S SKELETAL REMAINS WERE FOUND, 538 00:24:40,633 --> 00:24:43,267 HER RUNNING TIGHTS WERE ALSO FOUND, 539 00:24:43,267 --> 00:24:46,767 AND BOTH LEGS OF THE TIGHTS WERE TIED INTO KNOTS 540 00:24:46,767 --> 00:24:50,400 WHICH, SOME SUGGESTED, WAS HOW LEVY'S KILLER 541 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,700 BOUND HER AND RESTRAINED HER BEFORE HE KILLED HER. 542 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,567 Narrator: BUT WHEN BABS PROLLER'S RECORDINGS EMERGED 543 00:24:57,567 --> 00:24:59,333 AND THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED, 544 00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:04,233 GUANDIQUE'S LAWYERS FILED AWAY THE PROVOCATIVE DEFENSE. 545 00:25:04,233 --> 00:25:06,067 WITH SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS 546 00:25:06,067 --> 00:25:08,667 CIRCLING AROUND GARY CONDIT, WE'VE ARRANGED 547 00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:12,433 AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH HIS FORMER ASSOCIATE. 548 00:25:12,433 --> 00:25:14,667 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] MY NAME IS VINCE FLAMMINI. 549 00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,633 I WAS GARY CONDIT'S DRIVER, 550 00:25:16,633 --> 00:25:20,400 CLOSE, CLOSE FRIEND, AND BODYGUARD. 551 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,067 THE FIRST TIME I MET GARY, HE WAS A YOUNG MAN 552 00:25:23,067 --> 00:25:25,067 THAT WAS MAYOR OF CERES. 553 00:25:25,067 --> 00:25:27,733 IT WAS ABOUT 1976. 554 00:25:27,733 --> 00:25:29,800 I THOUGHT HE WAS REALLY AN INTERESTING PERSON. 555 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,067 HE WAS FULL OF ENERGY AND HE WAS NICE-LOOKING. 556 00:25:32,067 --> 00:25:35,467 HE WAS REALLY A NEAT PERSON. 557 00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:38,733 GARY LIKED TO WORK OUT AND THAT WAS MY MAIN THING, 558 00:25:38,733 --> 00:25:41,867 SO I TAUGHT HIM HOW TO TRAIN AND WE GOT TO BE PARTNERS, 559 00:25:41,867 --> 00:25:45,500 WORKING OUT TOGETHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 560 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,300 Narrator: VINCE CLAIMS THAT, OVER TIME, 561 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,367 THE CONGRESSMAN, KNOWN FOR SECRECY, 562 00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:52,067 BEGAN TO CONFIDE IN HIM. 563 00:25:52,067 --> 00:25:53,967 Flammini: WE HAD LOCKER-ROOM TALK. 564 00:25:53,967 --> 00:25:55,500 HE'D TELL ME ABOUT DIFFERENT GIRLFRIENDS 565 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:58,367 AND, IN FACT, I HAD TO MEET 'EM BECAUSE YOU GOTTA REMEMBER: 566 00:25:58,367 --> 00:26:00,400 I'M HIS DRIVER. 567 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,867 I MEAN, WHO KNOWS BETTER THAN THE DRIVER? 568 00:26:03,867 --> 00:26:06,967 IN SUMMER 2000, I PICKED HIM UP AT THE AIRPORT. 569 00:26:06,967 --> 00:26:11,367 HE DESCRIBED THAT A GIRL HE WAS SEEING HAD BLACK, CURLY HAIR. 570 00:26:11,367 --> 00:26:13,067 SHE HAD A BEAUTIFUL BODY. 571 00:26:13,067 --> 00:26:16,800 SHE HAD BEAUTIFUL, ROUND BREASTS, LIKE LITTLE MELONS. 572 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,933 HE WAS EXPLAINING IT ALL TO ME 'CAUSE HE WAS BRAGGIN'. 573 00:26:19,933 --> 00:26:21,900 AND SHE WAS JEWISH. 574 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,867 AND THEN HE JUST GIVES ME THE WHOLE PICTURE AND TELLS ME, 575 00:26:24,867 --> 00:26:29,133 "SHE'S GOIN' WITH A COP. HER FATHER'S A DOCTOR." 576 00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:31,933 Narrator: CONDIT NEVER MENTIONED HER BY NAME, 577 00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:35,767 BUT VINCE BELIEVES THE DESCRIPTION WAS UNMISTAKABLE. 578 00:26:35,767 --> 00:26:38,767 IT WAS CHANDRA. 579 00:26:38,767 --> 00:26:41,267 IT WAS HER. I MEAN, HOW MANY GIRLS 580 00:26:41,267 --> 00:26:43,300 CAN YOU MATCH THAT WITH? 581 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:47,167 Narrator: IN 2001, FLAMMINI WAS ABRUPTLY FIRED. 582 00:26:47,167 --> 00:26:49,533 HE CLAIMS THAT THE TERMINATION WAS IN KEEPING 583 00:26:49,533 --> 00:26:52,067 WITH THE CONGRESSMAN'S DISPOSITION. 584 00:26:52,067 --> 00:26:54,400 I WAS WALKING ON EGGS MOST OF THE TIME, AROUND GARY, 585 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,933 BECAUSE HE HAD A TEMPER THAT JUST WAS UNREAL. 586 00:26:57,933 --> 00:27:01,667 HE'D JUST BLOW UP, TURN BRIGHT RED, BLOW UP, 587 00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:05,133 AND HIS EYES WOULD GET PIERCING LIKE YOU SEE ON TELEVISION. 588 00:27:05,133 --> 00:27:06,433 Narrator: ACCORDING TO VINCE, 589 00:27:06,433 --> 00:27:09,633 THE ALLEGATIONS THAT CONDIT'S REPORTED PRACTICE OF S&M 590 00:27:09,633 --> 00:27:12,900 CAUSED CHANDRA'S DEATH DON'T RING TRUE. 591 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:14,767 Flammini: THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T LIKE HIM. 592 00:27:14,767 --> 00:27:17,700 THEY SAID, "WELL, MAYBE HE WAS HAVING ONE OF THOSE SEX THINGS 593 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,933 WHERE YOU TIE A NECKTIE AROUND HER NECK AND YOU CHOKE HER." 594 00:27:20,933 --> 00:27:22,833 AND I SAYS, "I DON'T KNOW. 595 00:27:22,833 --> 00:27:25,900 I DON'T KNOW OF HIM HAVING THOSE SEX THINGS, EITHER." 596 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:28,933 Narrator: THEN, WHEN CONDIT BEGAN MAKING PUBLIC DENIALS 597 00:27:28,933 --> 00:27:32,600 ABOUT THE MISSING INTERN, VINCE BECAME ALARMED. 598 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,467 BUT NOW THAT HE SAYS SHE WAS NEVER HIS GIRLFRIEND, 599 00:27:35,467 --> 00:27:37,333 HE NEVER HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, 600 00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,800 AND HE DIDN'T MURDER HER, ALL IN THE SAME LINE, 601 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,967 IT SCARES ME. I'M GOING, 602 00:27:41,967 --> 00:27:44,333 "I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, 603 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:46,067 'CAUSE HE TOLD ME SO." 604 00:27:46,067 --> 00:27:50,600 Narrator: THE CRIME-SCENE LOCATION ALSO GAVE HIM CONCERN. 605 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,900 I REALLY GOT UPSET BECAUSE 606 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:55,500 HE WAS ALWAYS IN THAT PARK. 607 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,667 HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE PARK AND THAT'S WHERE SHE'S MURDERED? 608 00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,267 HE USED TO GO THERE ALL THE TIME. 609 00:28:00,267 --> 00:28:03,300 HE WENT THERE WITH OTHER GIRLS, BEFORE CHANDRA. 610 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:06,767 IT'S A PLACE TO WALK AND IT'S A PLACE TO SPEND SOME TIME 611 00:28:06,767 --> 00:28:10,200 AND YOU CAN ALSO BE ALONE BACK IN THE WOODS, I GUESS. 612 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,533 Narrator: ACCORDING TO VINCE, HE COULDN'T KEEP WHAT HE KNEW TO HIMSELF. 613 00:28:14,533 --> 00:28:16,567 I TRIED TO TELL THE FBI. 614 00:28:16,567 --> 00:28:19,367 I TRIED TO TELL DIFFERENT PEOPLE 615 00:28:19,367 --> 00:28:22,100 THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS GARY DID, 616 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,600 AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT. 617 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,833 GARY WAS TAKING HIS LESSONS FOR KARATE. 618 00:28:25,833 --> 00:28:27,933 I TOLD THEM THE GUY'S NAME THAT WAS TEACHING 'IM. 619 00:28:27,933 --> 00:28:30,233 I TOLD THEM THAT GARY WAS TAKIN' LESSONS, 620 00:28:30,233 --> 00:28:33,100 HOW TO PUNCH SOMEBODY IN THE THROAT AND TAKE 'EM OUT. 621 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,767 I SAYS, "DON'T YOU GUYS EVEN WANNA KNOW? 622 00:28:34,767 --> 00:28:37,067 THAT COULD'VE HAPPENED ACCIDENTALLY." 623 00:28:37,067 --> 00:28:40,500 AND THEY GO, "NO, NO. THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT." 624 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,933 Narrator: AFTER CONSIDERING EVERYTHING HE KNOWS, 625 00:28:42,933 --> 00:28:45,400 VINCE HAS DRAWN HIS OWN CONCLUSIONS. 626 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,267 PERSONALLY, I'VE KNOWN HIM SO LONG. 627 00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:49,733 HE'S NOT A MURDERER. I MEAN, JEEZ. 628 00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:52,267 YOU DON'T THINK OF YOUR BEST FRIEND BEING A MURDERER 629 00:28:52,267 --> 00:28:54,667 AND, TO THIS DAY, I DON'T KNOW! 630 00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:57,567 I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE GARY WOULD MURDER SOMEBODY. 631 00:28:57,567 --> 00:28:59,567 Narrator: IN THE EYES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, 632 00:28:59,567 --> 00:29:01,800 THE DROPPED CHARGES AGAINST GUANDIQUE 633 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,100 DID NOT CHANGE CONDIT'S STATUS IN THE CASE. 634 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:07,900 THERE'S STILL NO EVIDENCE THAT CONNECTS HIM TO THE MURDER 635 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,200 AND HE IS NOT A SUSPECT. 636 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,133 TO THIS DAY, THEY SAY THEY STILL DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE 637 00:29:14,133 --> 00:29:17,900 TO LINK HIM TO CHANDRA LEVY'S MURDER. 638 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,067 Narrator: BUT QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT THE MAN 639 00:29:20,067 --> 00:29:22,667 WHO WAS ONCE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME. 640 00:29:22,667 --> 00:29:25,367 BECAUSE GUANDIQUE'S CONVICTION WAS VACATED 641 00:29:25,367 --> 00:29:27,433 AND THE SUBSEQUENT CHARGES DROPPED, 642 00:29:27,433 --> 00:29:29,933 DOUBLE JEOPARDY DOES NOT APPLY. 643 00:29:29,933 --> 00:29:31,300 THE GOVERNMENT DISMISSED IT, 644 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:32,867 BUT THEY DISMISSED IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, 645 00:29:32,867 --> 00:29:35,933 WHICH MEANS THEY'RE LEAVING OPEN THE CHANCE 646 00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:41,600 THAT THEY COULD CHARGE, INDICT, AND RETRY MR. GUANDIQUE AGAIN 647 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,767 WITH ALL THE TRAPPINGS: NEW JUDGE, NEW JURY, EVERYTHING. 648 00:29:45,767 --> 00:29:49,767 Narrator: AND SOME BELIEVE HE SHOULD, INDEED, BE PUT ON TRIAL AGAIN. 649 00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:53,467 HE WAS A LEGITIMATE SUSPECT, AND HE IS, TO THIS DAY. 650 00:29:53,467 --> 00:29:56,367 Narrator: WITH THE HELP OF JOURNALIST SYLVIA MORENO, 651 00:29:56,367 --> 00:29:59,800 WE'VE ARRANGED TO SPEAK WITH GUANDIQUE HIMSELF. 652 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,633 [ Speaking Spanish ] 653 00:30:06,167 --> 00:30:08,367 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 654 00:30:11,967 --> 00:30:13,633 [ SINISTER MUSIC PLAYS, CHORD STRIKES ] 655 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:18,100 Narrator: WHEN IT'S DISCOVERED THE STAR WITNESS 656 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:21,467 IN THE CHANDRA LEVY MURDER TRIAL LIED ON THE STAND, 657 00:30:21,467 --> 00:30:25,667 THE PROSECUTION DROPS CHARGES AGAINST INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 658 00:30:25,667 --> 00:30:30,100 THERE ARE SOME WHO BELIEVE, EVEN AS THE CASE FELL APART, 659 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,167 THAT HE'S STILL THE MOST LIKELY MAN 660 00:30:32,167 --> 00:30:34,500 TO HAVE COMMITTED THIS CRIME. 661 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:38,700 HE WAS A LEGITIMATE SUSPECT, AND HE IS, TO THIS DAY. 662 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:42,300 NOW, JOURNALIST SYLVIA MORENO IS INTERVIEWING GUANDIQUE 663 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:43,633 OVER THE PHONE, 664 00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:47,833 FROM AN IMMIGRATION DETENTION FACILITY IN VIRGINIA. 665 00:30:47,833 --> 00:30:49,567 INGMAR? -[ Speaking Spanish ] 666 00:30:49,567 --> 00:30:51,133 AH, OKAY. 667 00:30:51,133 --> 00:30:54,400 Narrator: MORENO BEGINS BY ASKING GUANDIQUE ABOUT THE ATTACKS 668 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,600 ON THE TWO JOGGERS THAT LANDED HIM IN JAIL IN 2001. 669 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,333 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 670 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,933 Narrator: GUANDIQUE CLAIMS THAT ANOTHER FORCE MOTIVATING HIS ACTIONS 671 00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:33,533 WAS DRUGS. 672 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,067 MM-HMM. 673 00:31:38,067 --> 00:31:39,267 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] 674 00:32:00,867 --> 00:32:03,067 [ OUTRO PLAYS ] 675 00:32:03,067 --> 00:32:07,133 Narrator: WHEN INVESTIGATORS QUESTIONED GUANDIQUE IN PRISON IN 2008, 676 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:09,800 ONE OF HIS TATTOOS CAUGHT THEIR ATTENTION. 677 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,600 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 678 00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:45,133 [in Spanish] No. 679 00:32:53,067 --> 00:32:54,200 Sí. 680 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,067 MM-HMM. 681 00:33:24,067 --> 00:33:25,533 ** 682 00:33:27,967 --> 00:33:29,533 [ SINISTER MUSIC CLIMBS ] [in Spanish] No. 683 00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:32,633 Narrator: GUANDIQUE EXPLAINS THAT ONE MOMENT FROM THE TRIAL, 684 00:33:32,633 --> 00:33:35,933 AN ENCOUNTER WITH SUSAN LEVY, HAS STAYED WITH HIM. 685 00:33:35,933 --> 00:33:38,467 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] 686 00:34:23,967 --> 00:34:25,700 ** 687 00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:29,200 Narrator: WHEN REFLECTING ON HIS FATE, GUANDIQUE DRAWS A COMPARISON 688 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,767 TO ANOTHER PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE CASE: 689 00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:33,567 GARY CONDIT. 690 00:35:25,967 --> 00:35:27,767 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] Moreno: I WOULD SAY 691 00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:31,667 THAT GUANDIQUE'S POSITION IS VERY CONSISTENT. 692 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:35,200 HE HAS ALWAYS REITERATED, 693 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,733 EVEN GOING BACK TO MY FIRST COMMUNICATION WITH HIM, 694 00:35:37,733 --> 00:35:39,867 VIA LETTER IN 2002, 695 00:35:39,867 --> 00:35:43,300 THAT HE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHANDRA LEVY MURDER. 696 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:46,767 Narrator: NONETHELESS, IT'S LIKELY THAT HE'LL SOON BE EXPATRIATED 697 00:35:46,767 --> 00:35:48,833 TO EL SALVADOR. 698 00:35:48,833 --> 00:35:54,067 AS A CRIMINAL ALIEN, UNDER U.S. LAW, HE SHOULD BE DEPORTED, 699 00:35:54,067 --> 00:35:56,967 BUT HE'S FIGHTING A CASE TO STAY IN THE UNITED STATES 700 00:35:56,967 --> 00:36:00,200 AND NOT BE DEPORTED BACK TO EL SALVADOR. 701 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,267 Narrator: NOW, WITH NO NEW EVIDENCE, THE CASE HAS GONE COLD. 702 00:36:04,267 --> 00:36:08,167 THE TRAGIC IRONY OF THIS CASE IS THAT, AFTER ALL THIS WORK, 703 00:36:08,167 --> 00:36:10,333 WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE, BACK TO 704 00:36:10,333 --> 00:36:13,400 WE DON'T KNOW WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY. 705 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,133 Narrator: BUT ONE MAN BELIEVES HE HAS THE ANSWER: 706 00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:19,567 THE LEVY FAMILY'S PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR. 707 00:36:19,567 --> 00:36:25,067 I HAVE MY THEORY AND I'M CONVINCED OF MY THEORY 708 00:36:25,067 --> 00:36:26,867 AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT AROUND IT. 709 00:36:26,867 --> 00:36:29,400 I'M SATISFIED THAT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 710 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,267 [ OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYS ] 711 00:36:33,767 --> 00:36:35,067 Narrator: THE CHANDRA LEVY CASE 712 00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,300 HAS ENDURED COUNTLESS TWISTS AND TURNS 713 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,900 OVER THE LAST 16 YEARS. 714 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,767 THE TRAGIC IRONY OF THIS CASE IS THAT, AFTER ALL THIS WORK, 715 00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:46,067 WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE, BACK TO 716 00:36:46,067 --> 00:36:49,233 WE DON'T KNOW WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY. 717 00:36:49,233 --> 00:36:51,067 OR WHY. 718 00:36:51,067 --> 00:36:53,733 Narrator: MANY BELIEVE ONE UNANSWERED QUESTION 719 00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:56,500 COULD BE THE KEY TO SOLVING THIS MURDER. 720 00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:58,600 WHAT WAS SHE DOING IN ROCK CREEK PARK? 721 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,767 THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BELIEVES 722 00:37:00,767 --> 00:37:03,500 THAT SHE WAS JOGGING ALONG A TRAIL THERE. 723 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:05,933 SHE WAS SOMEONE WHO TOOK CARE OF HER BODY, 724 00:37:05,933 --> 00:37:08,233 LIKED TO EXERCISE EVERY DAY. 725 00:37:08,233 --> 00:37:10,267 THE PARK OFFERED A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, 726 00:37:10,267 --> 00:37:12,833 THE PERFECT PLACE TO DO THAT. 727 00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:15,133 Narrator: BUT SOME POINT TO THE PARK'S LANDSCAPE 728 00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,367 AND REACH A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION. 729 00:37:17,367 --> 00:37:19,867 THE LEADING PROPONENT OF THIS IDEA IS 730 00:37:19,867 --> 00:37:22,800 LEVY FAMILY INVESTIGATOR JOE McCANN. 731 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,400 FOR THE FIRST TIME, EVER, 732 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,500 HE DISCUSSES IT ON-CAMERA. 733 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:30,300 I LOOK AT THE TRAIL THAT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE JOGGING ON, 734 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,067 AND IT IS A HORSE TRAIL. 735 00:37:32,067 --> 00:37:35,233 IT IS COVERED WITH ROCKS, ROOTS. 736 00:37:35,233 --> 00:37:38,233 IT IS DIFFICULT TO JOG ON, 737 00:37:38,233 --> 00:37:40,300 AND IT WOULDN'T BE YOUR FIRST CHOICE. 738 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,267 YOU'D TWIST YOUR ANKLE. 739 00:37:42,267 --> 00:37:47,267 I CAN TELL YOU SHE WASN'T JOGGIN' ON THAT TRAIL. 740 00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:50,867 SHE HAD ALSO EXPRESSED TO FRIENDS THAT SHE WAS CONCERNED 741 00:37:50,867 --> 00:37:53,867 ABOUT GOING TO REMOTE PLACES, AS A WOMAN, ALONE, 742 00:37:53,867 --> 00:37:55,067 SO WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? 743 00:37:55,067 --> 00:37:57,600 IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 744 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,833 Narrator: McCANN BELIEVES ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE OFFERS INSIGHT 745 00:38:00,833 --> 00:38:03,833 INTO WHY CHANDRA LEFT HER APARTMENT. 746 00:38:03,833 --> 00:38:07,067 I REMEMBER BACK IN HER APARTMENT, 747 00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:10,367 THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS OUT OF PLACE. 748 00:38:10,367 --> 00:38:12,767 THERE WAS A BLANKET THAT WAS THROWN 749 00:38:12,767 --> 00:38:15,400 JUST INSIDE HER FRONT DOOR. 750 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,800 Narrator: ACCORDING TO McCANN, 751 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,867 THIS INDICATES THAT SHE LEFT IN A RUSH. 752 00:38:19,867 --> 00:38:22,133 MAYBE THAT BLANKET WAS IN THE DRYER 753 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,600 AND SHE RUSHED AND PULLED IT OUT OF THE DRYER, 754 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,133 THREW IT ON THE GROUND, AND LEFT. 755 00:38:27,133 --> 00:38:31,900 Narrator: IF SHE WAS, INDEED, IN A HURRY, IT BEGS THE QUESTION: WHY? 756 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,233 ONE THEORY THAT THE POLICE WERE WORKING UNDER 757 00:38:34,233 --> 00:38:36,833 IS THAT CHANDRA LEVY DELIBERATELY WENT 758 00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:39,067 TO ROCK CREEK PARK TO MEET SOMEONE. 759 00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:41,267 Narrator: ACCORDING TO THIS THEORY, SHE WAS KILLED, 760 00:38:41,267 --> 00:38:43,500 NOT BY A STRANGER, LIKE GUANDIQUE; 761 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:45,700 BUT BY SOMEONE SHE KNEW. 762 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:50,067 MAYBE SHE GOT A CALL AND MET SOMEBODY OUTSIDE 763 00:38:50,067 --> 00:38:53,333 AND THEY DROVE TO ROCK CREEK PARK. 764 00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:57,300 WHOEVER SHE MET WITH, MAYBE, COULDN'T GO HOME WITH HER, 765 00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,400 AND SHE COULDN'T BE SEEN WITH SOMEBODY 766 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,233 AND NOW, TOGETHER, THEY WALK UP THE TRAIL. 767 00:39:02,233 --> 00:39:04,600 AND, AT SOME POINT, ON THAT TRAIL, 768 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,067 SHE WILLINGLY DECIDES TO GO DOWN THE TRAIL 769 00:39:07,067 --> 00:39:08,900 OR DOWN THE HILL WITH THIS PERSON, 770 00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:12,300 AND SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED THERE. 771 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,333 Narrator: McCANN HAS THE NAME OF A SUSPECT IN MIND. 772 00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:18,067 BUT WON'T REVEAL WHO. 773 00:39:18,067 --> 00:39:20,067 I HAVE MY THEORY. 774 00:39:20,067 --> 00:39:24,367 I DON'T NECESSARILY DISCUSS THAT, ESPECIALLY NOT ON-CAMERA. 775 00:39:24,367 --> 00:39:28,533 THAT'S MY OWN THING. AND I CAN'T PROVE IT. 776 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:32,100 BUT I'M SATISFIED THAT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 777 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,833 Narrator: DESPITE HIS CERTAINTY, McCANN FEELS THE EVIDENCE 778 00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:38,067 CONNECTING HIS SUSPECT TO THE CRIME IS LACKING 779 00:39:38,067 --> 00:39:42,133 AND THE METRO PD IS NO LONGER WORKING THE CASE. 780 00:39:42,133 --> 00:39:44,467 ONCE AN ARREST IS MADE, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS 781 00:39:44,467 --> 00:39:48,800 TO THE PERSON AFTER THAT ARREST, THE CASE REMAINS CLOSED. 782 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,633 WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY MORE ENERGY DEVOTED 783 00:39:51,633 --> 00:39:53,333 TO TRYING TO SOLVE THIS THING, 784 00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,133 I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE THEY CAN GO. 785 00:39:55,133 --> 00:39:58,067 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] 786 00:39:58,067 --> 00:40:05,567 ** 787 00:40:05,567 --> 00:40:08,033 Narrator: IT SEEMS THE IDENTITY OF THE PERPETRATOR 788 00:40:08,033 --> 00:40:10,733 COULD FOREVER REMAIN A MYSTERY. 789 00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:11,967 THE POOR WOMAN WAS MURDERED 790 00:40:11,967 --> 00:40:14,200 AND THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE MAY NEVER BE FOUND. 791 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,367 MAYBE HE WAS FOUND AND THE GOVERNMENT SCREWED IT UP. 792 00:40:17,367 --> 00:40:19,267 NOW WE'RE 15 YEARS LATER. 793 00:40:19,267 --> 00:40:21,367 WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. 794 00:40:21,367 --> 00:40:24,833 WE HAVE NO EYEWITNESSES, SO, 795 00:40:24,833 --> 00:40:28,767 IN MY MIND, IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO SOLVE. 796 00:40:28,767 --> 00:40:31,533 WHEN IT COMES TO COLD CASES, OR CASES LIKE THIS, 797 00:40:31,533 --> 00:40:34,067 YOU LIVE FOR THE LONG SHOT. 798 00:40:34,067 --> 00:40:35,600 IT MAY NEVER HAPPEN, 799 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,133 OR SOMETHING MAY COME UP TOMORROW. 800 00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:40,133 ONE THING THAT HAUNTS ME IS 801 00:40:40,133 --> 00:40:43,133 THAT I MIGHT'VE MISSED THAT LEAD THAT CAME IN. 802 00:40:43,133 --> 00:40:45,867 I MIGHT'VE READ IT AND JUST BLEW IT AWAY 803 00:40:45,867 --> 00:40:48,133 AND THAT WAS THE THING THAT WOULD'VE SOLVED THIS CASE. 804 00:40:48,133 --> 00:40:51,400 TO THIS DAY, I STILL THINK ABOUT THAT. 805 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,767 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 806 00:40:52,767 --> 00:40:54,533 [ SUSPENSEFUL CHORD STRIKES ] 807 00:40:54,533 --> 00:40:56,000 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] THIS HAS BEEN A VERY EMOTIONAL 808 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,867 AND VERY PHYSICALLY DIFFICULT CASE FOR THE LEVY FAMILY 809 00:40:59,867 --> 00:41:01,800 AND, FOR IT TO CONTINUE, 810 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,067 INDEFINITELY, AT THIS POINT, IS SO UNFAIR TO THE FAMILY. 811 00:41:06,067 --> 00:41:09,800 ANYTIME A YOUNG ADULT LOSES THEIR LIFE, 812 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,267 IT BECOMES A TRAGEDY BECAUSE 813 00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:16,100 THERE IS SO MUCH POTENTIAL THERE THAT'S NEVER REALIZED. 814 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:17,333 WE DON'T LIKE THE WORD CLOSURE. 815 00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:18,767 NOBODY REALLY LIKES IT, WHO'S LOST ANYBODY. 816 00:41:18,767 --> 00:41:20,200 YOU KNOW, WE HATE THAT WORD. 817 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,333 I THINK YOU LEARN TO SEE WHAT IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE IS 818 00:41:25,333 --> 00:41:29,767 AND WHAT TRIVIAL THINGS THERE ARE. 819 00:41:29,767 --> 00:41:31,200 Narrator: THROUGHOUT THEIR DAYS, 820 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,167 THE LEVYS CELEBRATE THEIR DAUGHTER 821 00:41:33,167 --> 00:41:35,767 IN A UNIQUE AND UNEXPECTED WAY. 822 00:41:35,767 --> 00:41:37,533 WE CELEBRATE LADYBUGS. 823 00:41:37,533 --> 00:41:38,867 -YEAH, LADYBUGS. -MESSAGES. 824 00:41:38,867 --> 00:41:41,267 WE CELEBRATE SIGNS AND MESSAGES. 825 00:41:41,267 --> 00:41:43,967 HER SECRET NAME WAS LITTLE LADYBUG 826 00:41:43,967 --> 00:41:46,167 AND, WHEN WE TRAVEL, 827 00:41:46,167 --> 00:41:49,267 SHE SHOWS UP IN UNIQUE WAYS. 828 00:41:49,267 --> 00:41:51,967 LAST YEAR, WE WERE IN INNER MONGOLIA. 829 00:41:51,967 --> 00:41:55,067 IT'S REMOTE AND WE STOPPED TO EAT. 830 00:41:55,067 --> 00:41:59,367 AND, ON BOB'S PANTS SHOWS UP A LADYBUG 831 00:41:59,367 --> 00:42:01,867 AND IT STAYED QUITE A WHILE. 832 00:42:01,867 --> 00:42:06,067 AND I ASKED EVERYBODY IF THEY'D EVER SEE LADYBUGS? 833 00:42:06,067 --> 00:42:07,633 IT'S THE FIRST TIME. 834 00:42:07,633 --> 00:42:13,667 IN RUSSIA, BOB SAID HE SAW A WOMAN DRIVE BY, ON A BIKE, 835 00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:15,067 THAT LOOKED LIKE CHANDRA. 836 00:42:15,067 --> 00:42:19,200 ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE'S A LADYBUG ON THE BUS. 837 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,300 THEN IT HAPPENED IN GERMANY. 838 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:26,200 Robert: IT'S BEEN A WHILE NOW, AND YOU JUST GET USED TO EVERYTHING. 839 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,833 YOU HATE TO GET USED TO IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. 840 00:42:28,833 --> 00:42:31,933 WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO BUT GO ON? 67846

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