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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,060 This is my... my inspiration. 2 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:42,420 Real quick. 3 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:26,500 The number one artist in the world! 4 00:01:36,140 --> 00:01:39,620 That level of megastardom is not healthy. 5 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:41,420 People are not gods. 6 00:01:49,820 --> 00:01:52,300 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police 7 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:56,100 of multiple felony counts of child molestation. 8 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:01,580 The Jackson machine just keeps right on rolling. 9 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:31,060 Sony Corporation believes it has a profitable partner 10 00:02:31,260 --> 00:02:32,140 in Michael Jackson. 11 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:35,260 Together, they could make $1 billion. 12 00:02:35,460 --> 00:02:39,740 As NBC's Mike Jensen reports tonight, teach your kids to sing. 13 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:53,060 It's the kind of contract that takes your breath away. 14 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,980 A projected $1 billion for six Michael Jackson albums 15 00:02:57,180 --> 00:03:00,460 plus feature films, videos and video games. 16 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,340 Michael, in the 1980s, 17 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:06,860 you had the largest selling album in history with Thriller. 18 00:03:07,060 --> 00:03:08,900 Now, with Dangerous, you've given us 19 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,500 the fastest selling album of your career. 20 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:15,580 We're prouder than ever to have you part of the Sony Music family. 21 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:19,660 The thrilling fact is that the best is definitely yet to come. 22 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:28,660 When I joined Sony, Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world. 23 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:30,220 He was the guy. 24 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:32,660 I don't know any other way to describe it. 25 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:34,340 I mean, we all lived through it. 26 00:03:34,540 --> 00:03:37,380 The Michael Jackson world tour is on the road again. 27 00:03:40,460 --> 00:03:42,340 It was incredibly exciting. 28 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:46,200 He was selling out stadiums, making record money. 29 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,140 He was the franchise. I mean, let's be honest. 30 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:54,540 We are all in the business of succeeding. 31 00:03:54,740 --> 00:03:58,220 And when you're working in a company like Sony Music, 32 00:03:58,420 --> 00:04:02,180 you want Michael Jackson to succeed. 33 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:05,900 Michael! - Michael! 34 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:10,660 My name is Rosibel Smith, 35 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:15,260 and for 31 years I was employed by the Los Angeles Police Department. 36 00:04:16,940 --> 00:04:18,540 In 1993, 37 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:21,020 while working juvenile division at the LAPD, 38 00:04:21,220 --> 00:04:23,500 I was working the Sexually Exploited Child Unit. 39 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:24,940 I was advised by my supervisor, 40 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:28,400 who was the officer in charge of the unit, 41 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,860 that a case had come in involving a young boy, 42 00:04:32,060 --> 00:04:33,820 who was 13 years of age, 43 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:37,540 and that the perpetrator was Michael Jackson. 44 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:40,820 I was a little, um, in disbelief 45 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:43,660 that it was Michael Jackson doing this, 46 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:46,640 because I grew up watching Michael Jackson, 47 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,620 I knew the Jackson 5 cartoons when I was a kid, 48 00:04:49,820 --> 00:04:51,900 and I really enjoyed his music. 49 00:04:56,420 --> 00:04:57,940 But we had a job to do, 50 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:00,980 and that job was to go out and just handle it 51 00:05:01,180 --> 00:05:03,060 just like any other case at that time. 52 00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:10,340 Our role was to find out if Mr Jackson 53 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:12,860 had committed the crime of 54 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:16,060 sexual molestation against children. 55 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:18,020 And on the same token, 56 00:05:18,220 --> 00:05:23,300 we have to find out if the children, 57 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,020 they were telling the truth. 58 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:31,060 We had to interview the victim. 59 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:39,140 The victim had actually met Michael Jackson at a restaurant. 60 00:05:39,340 --> 00:05:40,460 He was very, very little. 61 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:44,540 Then years later, 62 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:48,500 that relationship grew and they began to visit each other. 63 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:56,420 The victim was alleging that Michael would oftentimes 64 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:59,020 rub his body against his body. 65 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:04,220 He alleged that Michael Jackson fondled him and masturbated him. 66 00:06:04,420 --> 00:06:05,380 Um... 67 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:10,300 He alleged that Michael liked to have his nipples 68 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:12,020 rubbed, squeezed. 69 00:06:13,340 --> 00:06:14,580 Kissing. 70 00:06:14,780 --> 00:06:17,780 Then they had graduated to oral copulation, 71 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:18,940 they bathed together 72 00:06:19,140 --> 00:06:21,900 and to the point where eventually 73 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:24,860 Michael Jackson consumed his semen. 74 00:06:33,220 --> 00:06:36,380 We had heard on the grapevine that there were these 75 00:06:36,580 --> 00:06:38,260 allegations circulating. 76 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,740 And it was a shock to everybody. 77 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:45,460 Yeah, we knew he was hanging with kids, 78 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:47,580 but I saw him hang with the kids 79 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:49,700 and I saw that it was completely innocent. 80 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:53,880 I saw he was playing games with them. 81 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,500 I saw the kids wanting to hang with him. 82 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,340 Quicksand up ahead! 83 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:03,660 I really hoped the allegations weren't true. 84 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:08,940 The feeling was trying to contain it. 85 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:11,700 Obviously, we were thinking of, you know, 86 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:13,660 the immediate impact on the tour 87 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:16,740 because you got to keep the business going, the tour going, 88 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:19,300 the album sales, everything and the impact of that. 89 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:21,420 So it was pretty... It was pretty tense. 90 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:25,260 We went into crisis mode, both with our team and the PR team. 91 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:30,380 But ultimately, the story was so huge 92 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:33,020 it was going to get out no matter what we did. 93 00:07:33,220 --> 00:07:34,660 There was no stopping it. 94 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:42,620 In Southern California, the press, police, lawyers 95 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:46,220 and private investigators are in orbit tonight over an investigation 96 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:49,580 of child abuse allegations involving superstar Michael Jackson. 97 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:52,940 There's still no comment from Michael Jackson this morning 98 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:55,220 and Los Angeles Police aren't saying much. 99 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:58,660 But they have confirmed reports of a criminal investigation 100 00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:00,420 of the pop superstar. 101 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:01,980 All hell broke loose. 102 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:04,420 Television station KNBC in Los Angeles 103 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:07,740 first broke the story last night, saying that a mother had alleged 104 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:09,580 Jackson abused her child. 105 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:13,760 August 17th, the Los Angeles Police Department initiated 106 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,940 a criminal investigation of entertainer Michael Jackson. 107 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:20,760 Every news channel, every hour, 108 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,380 the top story was Michael Jackson. 109 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:25,940 Confidential documents obtained by NBC News 110 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:30,220 quoted the boy's reference to acts of oral sex and masturbation. 111 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:32,620 The allegations now surfacing are ugly enough 112 00:08:32,820 --> 00:08:34,460 to shatter any icon's image. 113 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:37,980 Kids everywhere are talking about the scandalous accusations, 114 00:08:38,180 --> 00:08:39,260 hoping they're not true. 115 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:43,700 Has Michael Jackson ever molested a child? 116 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,380 Ever done anything improper with a child? 117 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:48,080 No, never. No, never. 118 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,870 That's crazy. - Never. 119 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:51,425 My son is not guilty. 120 00:08:51,625 --> 00:08:52,780 He'd need a trial. 121 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:55,340 These people aren't waiting. They're trying to... 122 00:08:55,540 --> 00:08:57,880 Trying to... They're trying him. 123 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,420 That's right. And I'm tired of it. 124 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:12,500 Open the window! Open the window! 125 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:25,820 Everything was suddenly bad. 126 00:09:28,820 --> 00:09:31,100 Everything was, um... 127 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:33,380 ..emotional. 128 00:09:34,660 --> 00:09:37,700 Talking to Michael was different because he was different. 129 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:41,820 Suddenly, he was no longer the happy Michael that I used to talk to. 130 00:09:42,020 --> 00:09:43,820 He sounded depressed. 131 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:47,860 I felt like it was over, like there was no way he could come back 132 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:50,620 from these terrible things being said. 133 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:22,380 Eventually he came back to America. 134 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:28,220 We had the information from the victim about 135 00:10:28,420 --> 00:10:31,300 Michael's body, 136 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,540 and specifically the markings on his body. 137 00:10:35,740 --> 00:10:39,780 So the only way that a child would see that 138 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:42,340 is if Michael was nude. 139 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:45,780 Then our unit prepared a search warrant to search 140 00:10:45,980 --> 00:10:47,980 or to view Michael's body, 141 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:50,380 and this included the genitals. 142 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:55,380 We explained to him, we have a search warrant signed by the judge 143 00:10:55,580 --> 00:10:59,180 to take pictures of your private parts. 144 00:10:59,380 --> 00:11:02,420 He said, "You assholes". 145 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:05,140 The outcome 146 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:09,060 was that evidence that was provided 147 00:11:09,260 --> 00:11:11,340 by Jordan Chandler... 148 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:13,980 ..it was confirmed. 149 00:11:17,020 --> 00:11:18,180 Can I help you? 150 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:21,740 Yeah, we'd like to talk to Michael Jackson. Has he come back? 151 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:25,140 I have no comment, sir. - No comment, huh? 152 00:11:25,340 --> 00:11:27,300 I don't necessarily think he's guilty, 153 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,940 but I don't necessarily think he's innocent either, 154 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:32,060 because I don't know. 155 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:33,620 Well, I don't know if he's guilty or not, 156 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:35,980 but I think that he needs to come back and face the charges. 157 00:11:36,180 --> 00:11:37,700 He's looking pretty guilty right now. 158 00:11:39,060 --> 00:11:40,700 Michael! - Michael! 159 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:45,580 There is real fear tonight that the catastrophic 160 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:50,180 publicity will result in the destruction of a $1 billion empire 161 00:11:50,380 --> 00:11:52,300 and the ruin of a man. 162 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:58,100 Sony stock has fallen 163 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:01,680 because investors are very much concerned that the huge investment 164 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,260 that they have in Michael Jackson is, in fact, not going to pay off. 165 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:09,940 When the allegations surfaced... 166 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,060 ..I read them, watched them on TV, 167 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:16,780 like everyone else did... 168 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:22,500 ..and I felt that they were extremely unfair. 169 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:25,720 Michael Jackson was unequivocally 170 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,940 the biggest artist in the company. 171 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:33,100 And if he's not succeeding... 172 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:37,580 ..guess what? Jobs get lost. 173 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:41,260 Is Michael Jackson going to make any statement? 174 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:44,060 He's got a whole cadre of international cameras there 175 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:45,260 every night. 176 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:54,020 Up to that point, Michael had been laying low. 177 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:57,780 But once the allegations are out there, 178 00:12:57,980 --> 00:13:00,020 you can't take them back again. 179 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:04,660 And so we needed to get him in front of the public 180 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:07,220 to unequivocally deny these allegations. 181 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:12,180 Michael Jackson came out of seclusion today 182 00:13:12,380 --> 00:13:13,340 without leaving home. 183 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:17,620 The pop star angrily rejected accusations he molested a young boy 184 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:19,420 and lashed out at police and the media. 185 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:23,900 There have been many disgusting statements 186 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:26,420 made recently concerning allegations 187 00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:28,220 of improper conduct on my part. 188 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:31,260 These statements about me are totally false. 189 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:34,100 At every opportunity, the media has dissected 190 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:38,580 and manipulated these allegations to reach their own conclusions. 191 00:13:38,780 --> 00:13:41,500 I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth 192 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:43,260 before you label or condemn me. 193 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:46,740 Don't treat me like a criminal because I am innocent. 194 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:50,760 Jackson's defiant declaration of innocence 195 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,420 comes as the latest counterpoint in a case 196 00:13:53,620 --> 00:13:55,900 that's saturated with rumour, innuendo 197 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,120 and almost daily revelations about the singer. 198 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,340 Separating fact from fiction can be difficult. 199 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:18,780 For years I have been working for Michael, 200 00:14:18,980 --> 00:14:21,860 who unfortunately has been the victim of this and other types 201 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:23,660 of extortion attempts. 202 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:27,860 The demand for $20 million was made and presented. 203 00:14:28,060 --> 00:14:30,420 It was flatly and consistently refused. 204 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:34,340 Many people try to extort Michael because of who he is 205 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:35,980 and, you know, the amount of money he has. 206 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:38,220 And these people wanted $20 million. 207 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:40,260 As far as the victim is concerned, 208 00:14:40,460 --> 00:14:46,300 I did not get anything as far as any, like, money motivation. 209 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:49,340 However, the parents were a different story. 210 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:52,020 The Hollywood Reporter, an entertainment trade paper, 211 00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:55,740 said today that the boy's father had negotiated with Jackson 212 00:14:55,940 --> 00:14:57,580 for a $20 million movie deal. 213 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:00,660 The father is a prominent Beverly Hills dentist 214 00:15:00,860 --> 00:15:02,300 and part-time screenwriter. 215 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:05,660 CBS News has obtained a taped phone conversation. 216 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:09,060 The voice is reportedly the father of the 13-year-old boy. 217 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:17,660 The father did in fact ask for money 218 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:19,860 to keep the situation quiet. 219 00:15:20,060 --> 00:15:21,300 So it did... 220 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:23,940 ..hurt the case a little bit. 221 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:27,520 I think it's pathetic that somebody would go after someone like 222 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,100 Michael Jackson with such vigour, and it's obvious what they want. 223 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:33,540 And it seems obvious to me that he is innocent. 224 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:36,340 I know that there's a lot of people in this business that try 225 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:39,260 and take advantage of people and, you know, 226 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:40,660 I'm sure that it will all work out. 227 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:42,820 And I'm sure that he's innocent, you know? 228 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:44,980 But only God knows the truth, you know? 229 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:52,220 More and more, people started to question the allegations. 230 00:15:54,460 --> 00:15:58,220 So the management team started capitalising on that momentum. 231 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:03,380 The main strategy was to, um, 232 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:05,900 endear Michael 233 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:07,980 to the black community 234 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:11,400 and to get the black community back on Michael's side. 235 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,820 Because once the black community's behind you, you got it 236 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:18,340 because, you know, we're a big group 237 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:21,860 and race relations at that time, 238 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:23,820 it was a hotbed. 239 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:31,060 Parts of Los Angeles erupted in unrest 240 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:35,180 after a jury acquitted four white Los Angeles police officers 241 00:16:35,380 --> 00:16:39,300 over the videotaped beating of Rodney King, a black motorist. 242 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:53,980 What happened with Rodney King, it doesn't make no sense to me. 243 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,500 They treating black people like we're dogs, you know? 244 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:57,860 Like, we can't get nowhere. 245 00:16:58,060 --> 00:17:00,900 We have no rights that the white man respect. 246 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:03,940 Race is tearing America apart. 247 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:08,860 Now, more than ever, minority Americans believe 248 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:10,500 there are two kinds of justice - 249 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:14,100 the white kind and the kind they get. 250 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:21,860 Someone was friends with this African-American attorney 251 00:17:22,060 --> 00:17:23,100 named Johnnie Cochran. 252 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:27,020 And so he suggested that Johnnie would be the best person 253 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:29,380 for Michael's case, 254 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:34,340 not only because he's black, but also because he was brilliant. 255 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:37,060 Mr Cochran, let me start with you. Why do you think it was important 256 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:38,860 for Michael Jackson to speak out now? 257 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:42,740 Well, I think, Katie, that after months of being barraged 258 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:45,620 with negative attacks, it was time. 259 00:17:45,820 --> 00:17:50,860 Everyone who was on Michael's team knew that having a black face 260 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:54,780 as the front man for the defence would, um... 261 00:17:56,100 --> 00:18:00,300 ..bring the black community to Michael's defence as well. 262 00:18:02,380 --> 00:18:06,060 The king of pop, rock and soul - Mr Michael Jackson. 263 00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:12,520 Michael's first public appearance after his statement 264 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,380 about the allegations was at the NAACP Image Awards, 265 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:18,680 and that's the National Association 266 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,980 for the Advancement of Colored People. 267 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:29,860 I was in the audience when Michael walked out on that stage. 268 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:32,340 The house went crazy. 269 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,180 Everyone was in support of Michael. 270 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:39,060 No-one wanted to believe these allegations. 271 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:44,840 For decades, the NAACP had stood at the forefront 272 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,660 of the struggle for equal justice under the law 273 00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:50,340 for all people in our land. 274 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:55,260 And his speech was based on being a proud black man 275 00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:58,720 and how, you know, we have to stick together 276 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,180 against racial inequality and injustice. 277 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:06,380 Everyone is presumed to be innocent and totally innocent 278 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:08,460 until they are charged with a crime 279 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:11,380 and then convicted by a jury of their peers. 280 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:24,260 It was such a powerful speech. 281 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:36,060 With all of the stuff that was happening to the black community... 282 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:42,780 ..it felt like Michael's innocence was important 283 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:45,060 and it was what we needed. 284 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,740 Everybody wanted him to be back on top. 285 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:08,860 The family of a teenage boy is dropping its charge 286 00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:11,260 that Michael Jackson molested the boy. 287 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:14,020 Larry Carroll tells us the civil suit is now over. 288 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:25,140 We wish to jointly announce a mutual resolution of this lawsuit. 289 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:28,340 This boy wanted to get on with his life. 290 00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:33,100 When that case was settled, 291 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:39,300 and I believe that the pay-out for that settlement was 20 million, 292 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,780 or maybe a little more over $20 million, 293 00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:44,380 the family accepted the settlement. 294 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:49,860 The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt 295 00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:51,380 by Michael Jackson. 296 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:54,540 Being a megastar like he was, 297 00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:59,780 he had the advantage with money, with attorneys, 298 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:03,380 with really coming out and doing pretty much whatever he wanted 299 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:05,100 in order to defend himself. 300 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:08,820 So that was pretty much the end of our case. 301 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:13,860 I felt bad because Rosie and I, 302 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:16,820 we were certain that we had a good case, 303 00:21:17,020 --> 00:21:20,900 but when the victim doesn't want to testify... 304 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:25,420 ..there is a saying that says "no victim, no crime." 305 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:30,020 So, nothing that we could do. 306 00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:40,500 Read all about it! Hollywood sex scandals! 307 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:42,940 Heidi's little black book. 308 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:45,980 The Hollywood Hooker and Heidi-gate. 309 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:50,380 Loni Anderson says, "Burt's a dud in bed." 310 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:52,340 Uh-oh! 311 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:55,260 In this billion dollar business, there's only one story 312 00:21:55,460 --> 00:21:59,180 that's guaranteed - a big name in trouble. 313 00:21:59,380 --> 00:22:00,700 That's the best news of all. 314 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,860 But of course, the one that's grabbing the headlines right now 315 00:22:05,060 --> 00:22:08,180 are the allegations about Michael Jackson, 316 00:22:08,380 --> 00:22:10,380 the biggest superstar in the world. 317 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:13,620 Michael Jackson is our window into the new news business 318 00:22:13,820 --> 00:22:17,020 and the magazine shows, talk shows, news chats 319 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:19,140 that feed off tabloid truth. 320 00:22:19,340 --> 00:22:20,700 Michael Jackson, 321 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:22,260 violator or victim? 322 00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:25,780 What do you think about Michael? - Well... 323 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:29,080 No, I think it's true. - He settled for all that money. 324 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,220 Yeah. - He settled for all that amount of money. 325 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:34,060 I think something's up when he settles for over $10 million 326 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:35,300 to shut someone up. 327 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:37,940 I don't know, it's a shame, because I think Michael has been dragged 328 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:41,400 through the mud a lot. You know, I don't know if he's a victim 329 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,860 or if he did it or not, but like he's lost that wholesome image 330 00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:46,100 forever, you know? 331 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:54,100 The allegations really changed how the public, I think, thought of him. 332 00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:59,340 And Michael had to kind of rehabilitate that image. 333 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:08,860 People had been obsessed with Michael's sexuality his whole life. 334 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:15,740 And his managers thought it would be cool if the press found out 335 00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:17,340 that Michael had a girlfriend. 336 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:30,300 Michael and Lisa started dating 337 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,100 soon after the allegations had been settled. 338 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:41,380 Michael Joseph Jackson. - Lisa Marie Presley. 339 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:45,380 He knew that marrying Elvis Presley's daughter 340 00:23:45,580 --> 00:23:47,580 would be headlines everywhere. 341 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:49,620 Everyone would be talking about that, 342 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:54,060 and they'd no longer talk about this horrible time in his life. 343 00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:57,460 With this ring I do wed. 344 00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:58,980 You've heard the talk for weeks. 345 00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:01,540 It's surprising and it's apparently true. 346 00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:03,860 The daughter of Elvis Presley confirms today 347 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:05,780 she is now married to Michael Jackson. 348 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:08,740 Let's go to Vince Dementri in New York. Vince. 349 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:12,900 John, hopefully you can see behind me the throngs of stargazers 350 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:16,060 right behind me. We are just outside of the world-famous 351 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:19,220 Trump Tower, where Donald Trump tells us, yes, indeed, 352 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:21,460 that Lisa Marie Presley and her new beau, 353 00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:24,340 Michael Jackson, are holed up here on the top floor. 354 00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:26,380 Well, I'm very, very happy for them. 355 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:27,980 I think it's great. 356 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:29,380 They're very happy 357 00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:31,900 and I think everybody's happy. 358 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:33,220 They're great people. 359 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:40,140 I first met Michael in 1988. 360 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:44,660 Michael was on tour in Germany at that time. 361 00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:48,260 And so they called me and said Michael is a big fan of mine 362 00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:50,180 and he would love to meet me. 363 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:52,380 And we hit it off. 364 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:55,340 And he got to know the whole family. 365 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:00,580 I also knew Lisa Marie Presley 366 00:25:00,780 --> 00:25:03,180 because she spent lots of time in Los Angeles. 367 00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:06,500 So I knew them separately. 368 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,820 And then later Lisa came to me one day and said, 369 00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:12,040 "Look, Michael is hitting on me 370 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,090 "and he actually wants to marry me. 371 00:25:14,290 --> 00:25:16,140 "What do you think? Should I do that?" 372 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:17,740 So I said, "Go for it." 373 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:20,260 For him, it was also he liked Lisa 374 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:23,280 because she was the daughter of The King. 375 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,300 So he was also a king - King of Pop, yeah? 376 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:36,420 This is a big deal. 377 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:40,660 We had never seen him get romantic with a woman like this. 378 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:41,940 Ever. 379 00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:43,860 I'm very happy to be here. 380 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,980 And just think, nobody thought this would last. 381 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:01,060 It did work in the way that Michael wanted it to work, 382 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:03,340 in that everyone was talking about it. 383 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:08,780 But at the same time the public wasn't really buying it. 384 00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:09,980 It's all a cover-up. 385 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:12,020 It's all a cover-up from the little child thing. 386 00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:14,060 That's what I think it is, and that's about it. 387 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:16,300 You don't think it's true love? - No. 388 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:17,860 I think it's a sham. 389 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:21,860 Heterosexual marriage would certainly take some of the heat off 390 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,460 being accused of being a homosexual paedophile. 391 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:32,100 But Michael and Lisa were only together for around 18 months. 392 00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:37,860 It's splitsville for Graceland and Neverland. 393 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,500 Many of you may find this hard to believe, 394 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:44,640 but Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson are getting a divorce. 395 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,780 So, Tony, it looks like the gloved one is no longer the loved one. 396 00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:51,180 Oh, such a sad story. 397 00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:53,100 Sorry to hear that, sorry to see that. 398 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:54,540 What a shock, what a surprise. 399 00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:59,140 It was kind of hard to watch. 400 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:03,700 He was trying to maintain his position as like 401 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:06,900 the biggest superstar in the world, 402 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:08,420 and it wasn't quite working. 403 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:15,300 This is a man who changed the music industry. 404 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,780 He is a musical genius. 405 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:21,700 And people don't think of him in that sense any more. 406 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,180 They think of him as a freak. 407 00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:27,060 Is there any way that he can lift himself out of this trough 408 00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:29,180 that he has largely dug for himself? 409 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,700 When he was working on the HIStory album, 410 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:03,220 Michael called me and said, 411 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:07,380 "Look, I want to use some of your paintings for the artwork." 412 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,420 That was the painting that he really liked. 413 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:18,380 And then spontaneously he wrote this poem directly on the picture. 414 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:24,820 "With such confusion, don't it make you want to scream? 415 00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:27,980 "You try to cope with every lie 416 00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:29,820 "To scrutinise somebody 417 00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:31,700 "Please have mercy 418 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,260 "Because I just can't take it." 419 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,580 If you listen to the lyrics and the songs 420 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:45,860 and the overall vibe of the tracks on HIStory, 421 00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:49,140 they're very aggressive, they're very defensive. 422 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,340 Even the Scream video is very dark for Michael. 423 00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:05,440 Then for the HIStory album promo, 424 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,340 Michael chose a dictator-esque image. 425 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:12,380 He's got these military troops marching behind him 426 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:14,260 and a godlike aura. 427 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:18,500 That's what he wanted to push out there. 428 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:20,940 Still on top, still, you know, 429 00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:24,420 the biggest pop superstar in the history of music. 430 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:27,620 Tower Bridge was raised this afternoon 431 00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:30,700 to allow a 30 foot statue of rock star Michael Jackson 432 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,980 to pass along the Thames on a barge. 433 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,340 I think it's brilliant. 434 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,540 It's just the best thing that's happened on the River Thames. 435 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:41,820 He's a mega star, yeah, they call him the King of Pop 436 00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:43,420 so if he can afford to do this, why not? 437 00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:47,300 For the HIStory tour, 438 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,500 Michael decided to focus on his fan base abroad. 439 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:55,920 And his popularity continued over in Europe and the UK, Asia 440 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,780 versus the US, where it was kind of slipping a little bit 441 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:03,260 because of the allegations and all the media circus around that. 442 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:06,380 Michael! Michael! Michael! 443 00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:11,860 Michael! Michael! 444 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,500 It's like a dream come true. 445 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,020 I touched him! 446 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:20,060 I'm not going to wash my hand. 447 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:28,380 I remember this one time I was with Michael in Budapest... 448 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,940 ..and the hotel was surrounded, 449 00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:35,980 under siege by thousands of young people. 450 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:44,020 And what he did, he'd draw a curtain a little bit, 451 00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:46,020 and then he had his glove on, 452 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:50,180 and people screeched. It was like an explosion down there. 453 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:57,180 He was laughing and said, "Oh, my God, look! 454 00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:58,620 "Did you hear? Do you hear?" 455 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,700 I think there's a deep desire to look up for people 456 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:09,380 that are bigger than life, yeah? 457 00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:12,720 As role models or as somebody you can worship. 458 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,060 I mean, I think that's what mankind needs. 459 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:17,820 But I think the danger is... 460 00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:21,780 ..when everybody worships you, 461 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:24,140 is that you start to believe it in a way that 462 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:27,380 you start to worship yourself, and I think that's very dangerous. 463 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:31,620 Can I have a hug, please? Please, may I hug you? 464 00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:32,860 Please? 465 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,740 I love you. - I love you more. 466 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:39,980 But he was enjoying that. He liked to have that effect on people. 467 00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:41,220 Love you. 468 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:44,780 Sir, sir. This way. 469 00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:47,580 Germany loves you, Michael. - I love Germany. 470 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:49,100 Oh, we love you. 471 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:54,380 OK, OK, OK. - Stay on the side. - OK, of course. 472 00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:57,220 Stay in that corner. Stay in that corner. 473 00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,020 Stay in that corner. - OK. Michael? 474 00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:01,460 Michael? 475 00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:05,500 Step back. Please. 476 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:09,300 Where's your camera? - Yes, yes. 477 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:10,380 Please. 478 00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:13,420 Please. Please. Please. 479 00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:17,500 Come on. OK, please. 480 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:20,700 Go, go. 481 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:22,100 OK? 482 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:24,380 When I met Michael, 483 00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:28,100 I saw that he was addicted to fame. 484 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:34,340 I was a well-known rabbi 485 00:33:34,540 --> 00:33:36,780 and Michael and I had become friends. 486 00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:40,920 Michael really needed to be loved, 487 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,250 and he chose to be loved in... 488 00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:46,115 ..really, in an unhealthy way, 489 00:33:46,315 --> 00:33:48,980 which was through superstardom 490 00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:51,140 and the devotion of fans. 491 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,300 Sir, you're in the way! 492 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:02,220 I said to him, "You've made the mistake of substituting love 493 00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:05,380 "for this, this cheap forgery called attention. 494 00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:09,580 "And attention is never a good substitute for love. 495 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:10,820 "It's never real." 496 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,320 This attention became an addiction 497 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,740 because he interpreted it as love 498 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:19,940 and it became a monster. 499 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:31,300 I felt that one of my principal objectives 500 00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:35,060 was to tether him back to humility. 501 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,020 And so our conversations became kind of therapy. 502 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:49,040 He wanted every word 503 00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:51,100 recorded for posterity. 504 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,900 We recorded it on these two flimsy dicta machines, 505 00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,860 you know, they're on these tiny little tapes. 506 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:12,180 Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! 507 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,200 He needed something to live for. 508 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,260 And as he explained it to me, 509 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:49,480 he always wanted to be around kids. 510 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,170 He loved the innocence of a child, 511 00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:54,660 he loved the creativity of a child 512 00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:57,860 because for him, the adult world was people wanting money from him 513 00:35:58,060 --> 00:36:01,620 and people wanting to know him for all the wrong reasons. 514 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,660 At that time in his life... 515 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:16,340 ..I think that Michael wanted to be a father. 516 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:24,260 Because kids, as long as you give them unconditional love, 517 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:25,900 they really give it back. 518 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,400 They are mirror reflections of the love that we give them. 519 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,900 And he was going to give them the greatest love, and they did. 520 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:32,580 And that's what happened. 521 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:46,700 Ooh! 522 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,740 Something to wear tonight. - Teletubbies. 523 00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:51,100 Who's that? 524 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,180 Lala. - That's right, it's Lala. 525 00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:10,380 I think having children gave him a renewed sense of purpose, 526 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:13,700 a renewed sense of energy and direction. 527 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:14,940 That's cute. 528 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:25,180 That's a great shot. - It is. It is. 529 00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:28,580 It's OK. 530 00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:37,900 I want to be successful at being a great father. 531 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:44,020 I want... I want them to say we felt completely loved 532 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:45,820 and he was, like, incredible. 533 00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:51,580 That's my biggest dreams, one day for Prince and Paris 534 00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:54,620 just to say to somebody, "He was the best dad." 535 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:57,660 One, two, three. 536 00:37:57,860 --> 00:37:59,560 Surprise! 537 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,260 Wooo! 538 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,620 I'd been working with Michael for four years 539 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:16,300 by the time he had his children. 540 00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:20,980 When Prince and Paris came along... 541 00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:26,020 ..I saw a different, a different person. 542 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,020 Can we do one where we all just point at the camera like this? 543 00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:33,460 OK. - All of us. 544 00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:37,140 His life was now about the children. 545 00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:39,460 That was his priority. 546 00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:44,720 And he was getting more and more 547 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,100 absolutely clear about his future. 548 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:49,420 He was saying, "Dieter"... 549 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:54,860 .."I did everything I could do in my life for the music, 550 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,300 "and I think I did it well, and everybody made a lot of money. 551 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,740 "But new people coming, 552 00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:02,980 "other music is coming." 553 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:08,620 And he had a feeling he will never be successful like he was, 554 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:10,740 and he was fine with it. 555 00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:15,180 Michael said he didn't want to be a trained monkey forever. 556 00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:16,460 It's over. 557 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:18,900 Will you give it to Howie? Come on, let's do it. 558 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,740 But when you start not to do 559 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:29,100 what this, he called it system, wants, 560 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,140 then you're in trouble. 561 00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:33,180 Let's make it three. 562 00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:04,460 Sony was pushing him to continue his career. 563 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,780 They were trying to get him to finish this album, Invincible. 564 00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:12,740 Wasn't my business but, you know, screw the album. 565 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:16,660 We have to make your life healthy again. 566 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,540 So there was a war for the soul of Michael Jackson. 567 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:30,580 Sony Music was one of the biggest labels in the world, hands down. 568 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,620 And with Michael, 569 00:40:33,820 --> 00:40:37,220 well, there's a lot of money changing hands. 570 00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:39,940 So, yes, it's cut-throat. 571 00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:45,500 But Sony Music was no more cut-throat than any other label. 572 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,380 Michael's relationship was a contentious one 573 00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:53,300 with his record label. 574 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:58,920 I was there to help facilitate a record 575 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,700 he was putting out, called Invincible, 576 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,340 which was his official last studio record with Sony, 577 00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:08,040 and things were going over budget. 578 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,890 We had rented out the entire floor 579 00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:13,540 at the Plaza Hotel in New York. 580 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:15,680 And for anybody who doesn't know that, 581 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,620 that is extremely expensive, crazy. 582 00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:20,900 And he wasn't even showing up for things. 583 00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,220 Michael! 584 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:26,140 A record company is there to make money. 585 00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:28,060 They are an investment firm in a way 586 00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:31,100 who is invested in you to produce something. 587 00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:35,060 When we got the phone call that this was, you know, 588 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:38,740 "How dare he? This was the most expensive record we've ever made." 589 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:41,900 You know? And I'm like, "Oh, OK." I'm like, "How much?" 590 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,200 "30 million." I'm like, ooh, sh...! 591 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,500 So it was kind of... It was a problem. 592 00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:51,320 But everybody was really trying to get him in tow 593 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,300 so we could make a deadline for album release. 594 00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:57,500 Thank you! 595 00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:02,900 There's one time where I was asked to pick up a package at a house 596 00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,740 that apparently was being sold and is empty, 597 00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:08,340 and in the mailbox was this package. 598 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:11,940 And I opened it up and it happened to be full of Demerol, 599 00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:16,060 which is a prescription pain medication, 600 00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:17,420 but a lot of it. 601 00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:21,420 It was a known thing that you don't ask. 602 00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:22,820 I said, "What's going...?" 603 00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:27,380 And I was like, "Oh, OK, um, never mind." 604 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:34,260 But then he would go to the studio as long as he had his magical pills. 605 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:37,820 But it was all so confusing at the same time. 606 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:41,540 It wasn't... I'm not there to look at someone and unwrap the package. 607 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:44,020 I'm there to get records done, right? 608 00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:49,500 There were so many people who were reliant on him 609 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,300 to be the golden goose that lays eggs again. 610 00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:58,700 But he knew that path was corrosive. 611 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:02,500 It frightened me. 612 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,660 There was too much conflict going on with him. 613 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:08,580 And I, I sensed and I saw that I was losing my influence. 614 00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:12,500 And I told him, "I'm not going to watch you drive your life 615 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:14,840 "off a cliff and clap." 616 00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:32,220 Invincible has sold two million copies in six months 617 00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:34,100 and that ain't invincible. 618 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:37,900 The flop of Invincible, along with a general downturn in sales, 619 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,860 means that Sony's share price has suffered of late. 620 00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:46,380 Michael told me, "You know what? 621 00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:48,660 "I can't do this any more." 622 00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:55,660 Michael was done with the music 623 00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,340 and with touring and all of this. 624 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:12,740 But Sony was not happy at all with this. 625 00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:16,540 So he knew he has to fight 626 00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:18,860 to come out of this situation. 627 00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:27,780 From my vantage point, 628 00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:31,820 he got a tremendous amount of support from Sony Music. 629 00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:35,660 But you have to understand, they're artists, 630 00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:37,260 they're all narcissists. 631 00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:39,180 They can't help themselves, OK? 632 00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:42,300 If their record's not selling, it's someone's fault. 633 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:48,300 You know, if their tour's not doing well, it's someone's fault. 634 00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,300 Someone is always to blame. 635 00:44:56,300 --> 00:45:00,340 Michael Jackson is the architect of his own destiny. 636 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:02,560 Like every single human being, 637 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,580 whether you're special or not, 638 00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:07,220 you are the creator of the reality you live in. 639 00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:14,300 I remember we were required to go to New York City, 640 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,820 and then he's whisked off to Al Sharpton's church. 641 00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:21,700 I personally think he was jacked up on something. 642 00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:26,780 Throughout the years... 643 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:32,020 ..black artists have been taken advantage of completely. 644 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,540 If Sony, Tommy Mottola... 645 00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:39,780 Tommy Mottola is the president of the record division, 646 00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:42,540 he is a mean, he's a racist... 647 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,620 ..and he's very, very, very devilish. 648 00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:53,660 You know, this just... It just exploded right there. 649 00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:55,380 Sony's statement reads, 650 00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:59,460 "We were deeply offended by the outrageous comments Mr Jackson made. 651 00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:02,340 "Mr Jackson has committed a serious abuse of power 652 00:46:02,540 --> 00:46:04,220 "that comes with celebrity." 653 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:07,860 Look at this. 654 00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:25,580 Sony sucks! Sony sucks! 655 00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:32,340 He told me, "Dieter, you need to help me. 656 00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:33,700 "It's over." 657 00:46:34,820 --> 00:46:38,260 He asked me to terminate all his contracts 658 00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:41,780 with his lawyers, with his team, with everybody. 659 00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:47,020 And he did want that I take over everything. 660 00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:55,420 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Michael Jackson. 661 00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:57,220 And rather than writing you a letter, 662 00:46:57,420 --> 00:46:59,540 I've found this format to be most efficient 663 00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:01,580 for what I wish to communicate. 664 00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:04,860 Dieter Weisner from Germany 665 00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:07,300 and myself have entered into an agreement, 666 00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,780 an exclusive long term partnership. 667 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:12,060 He gave me a power of attorney. 668 00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:14,540 I will personally sign agreements. 669 00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:18,380 I legally authorise my partners to sign on my behalf. 670 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:23,460 But he told me, "Dieter, the old team, 671 00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:25,220 "they will be after you." 672 00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:28,620 They called once and told me, 673 00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:31,580 "You take our golden cow 674 00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:34,540 "and you have to stop this." 675 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:35,740 And, um... 676 00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:41,820 But I was on Michael's side, of course, and I did what he'd want. 677 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,100 I remember these words from Michael to me. 678 00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,300 "I put my life and my future in your hand." 679 00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:04,900 Wait, wait, wait. 680 00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:12,500 When it comes to distributing cookies, 681 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,340 we get to see children's real personality. 682 00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:16,740 Here, come here. 683 00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:19,420 Prince, over here, 684 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:22,100 before I grind you into hamburger. 685 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:27,180 No! You want the cookie, you behave. 686 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,940 Here. OK, here. Here's the cookie. 687 00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:36,700 Paris, do you want some of this? 688 00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:40,540 By that time, I wasn't involved in his life. 689 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:43,100 Paris, are you going to say thank you? 690 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:44,580 Turn around. 691 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:46,580 Paris, you want that? 692 00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:50,380 I received a phone call from... 693 00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:56,900 ..a producer that worked with Martin Bashir. 694 00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:00,140 Martin Bashir wants to interview Michael Jackson. 695 00:49:00,340 --> 00:49:02,940 OK. You're getting the big one. 696 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:06,700 I got off the phone and I went to Michael and said, "First of all, 697 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:08,940 "your life, it's not ready to be open to the public. 698 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,660 "Stay a billion miles away from this guy." 699 00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:17,980 But Michael was an insecure person 700 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:20,860 who is going to look for the validation of the public. 701 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:27,300 He wanted to talk about his whole life, 702 00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:28,580 his career, 703 00:49:28,780 --> 00:49:31,620 that people really understand him. 704 00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:37,420 So Martin Bashir followed Michael for eight months. 705 00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:45,560 How do you write a song? 706 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,260 When I wrote Billie Jean, 707 00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:52,220 I was writing in my car down Ventura Boulevard. 708 00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:54,020 All I said to myself beforehand, 709 00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:57,660 I want to write a song with a great bass hook, you know? 710 00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:03,820 You know... - Where did that come from? 711 00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:07,740 From above. - The dance as well? - Yeah, same thing. 712 00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:09,020 How do you do it? 713 00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:10,540 Can you show me how you do it? 714 00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:13,380 Oh, boy. - Come on, just get up and... - I'm shy. 715 00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:15,420 Oh, come on, just show me. Just show me... 716 00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:17,580 Just show me. Show me what you do. 717 00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:18,900 Teach me. 718 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,220 OK. Er... 719 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:23,380 Oh, boy. You're putting me on the spot now. 720 00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:26,020 Come on. - Now people are discovering something about me. 721 00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:29,940 I'm really shy, I'm embarrassed. - OK, you're shy. Just get up and show me. 722 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:31,940 Erm... OK. 723 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,300 Michael opened the door for everything. 724 00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:50,180 Michael had just had another child. 725 00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,740 We was in the room together 726 00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:03,060 and Michael heard the screaming from the fans. 727 00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:04,820 It was a beautiful feeling. 728 00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:12,020 And Michael was so excited. I was behind him. 729 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:13,620 He took Blanket... 730 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:17,500 ..but he had him really fast under his arm. 731 00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:39,820 And the next morning I came out of my room 732 00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:42,580 and I saw all over the newspaper. 733 00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:47,040 That was not a nice, not a nice picture. 734 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,260 But, of course, Martin Bashir, he was there. 735 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,620 I love you. - Here he is. 736 00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:55,900 But I want to give you this bottle! 737 00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:57,360 Wait, wait. Ah! 738 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,620 Here's the bottle. 739 00:51:58,820 --> 00:52:01,780 It's OK. Just get this off. - Ow! Oh, please don't cry, Blanket. 740 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:05,580 OK, OK. Here we go. A-boo. A-boo. 741 00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:07,860 A-boo! Boo, boo, boo! 742 00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:09,020 Yes. A-boo! 743 00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:10,580 Blanket. Blanket. 744 00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:13,540 Blanket. Blanket. Blanket! I love you! 745 00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:15,300 Blanket. Yes, yes, yes! 746 00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:19,140 Have you been hearing about what people have been saying? 747 00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:20,620 It's totally ignorant. 748 00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:23,420 I would never do that to my children or any child. 749 00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:25,460 Try to kill them? Come on, stupid. 750 00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:27,880 And why would I put a scarf over the baby's face 751 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,100 if I was trying to throw him off the balcony? 752 00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:33,500 We were waving to thousands of fans down below and they were chanting, 753 00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:35,060 they wanted to see my child. 754 00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:37,860 So I was kind enough to let them see. 755 00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:40,660 I was doing something out of innocence. 756 00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,980 When Living With Michael Jackson airs this evening, 757 00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:51,060 these streets are going to be deserted. 758 00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:54,060 Fans and critics alike are saying they're going to be staying in 759 00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:55,460 to watch the programme. 760 00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:58,760 With his reputation in America very much at stake, 761 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,060 for Michael Jackson, it must be a nervous wait. 762 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:06,100 I didn't want that we watched the documentary 763 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:08,420 until I know what happened. 764 00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:13,180 But Michael, of course he want to see it. 765 00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:17,020 We watched it on TV together. 766 00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:24,860 Eight months ago, I put a proposal to Michael Jackson - 767 00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:26,940 show me the real man 768 00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:30,140 but show me everything, make nothing off limits. 769 00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:34,820 He thought about it and then he said, "Yes, come to Neverland." 770 00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:40,140 We began a journey together across continents, 771 00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:44,220 through his past and rapidly into the disturbing reality 772 00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:45,820 of his life today. 773 00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:48,420 In the documentary... 774 00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:52,740 ..was this young boy, Gavin Arvizo. 775 00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:57,220 And he was taking care of him. 776 00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:02,540 When people hear that children from other families 777 00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:05,100 have come and they've stayed in your house, 778 00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:06,900 they've stayed in your bedroom... 779 00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,620 Well, very few. 780 00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:10,900 But you know, some have. 781 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,700 And they say, 782 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,980 is that really appropriate for a man, a grown man, to be doing that? 783 00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:18,300 How do you respond to that? 784 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:21,540 I feel sorry for them because that's judging someone 785 00:54:21,740 --> 00:54:23,460 who just wants to really help people. 786 00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:25,100 Why can't you share your bed? 787 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,300 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 788 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,780 When I saw this, I got a very bad feeling. 789 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:36,820 When you're talking about children, 790 00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:42,300 if I said, "Well, I've invited some of my daughter's friends round, 791 00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:43,580 "or my son's friends round, 792 00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:46,020 "and they're going to sleep in the bed with me tonight..." - That's fine. 793 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:48,080 What do you think their parents would say? 794 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,530 If they're wacky, they would say you can't. 795 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:52,980 I suppose the problem for many people 796 00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:54,980 is what happened in 1993 797 00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:56,780 or what didn't happen. 798 00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:58,580 What didn't happen. 799 00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:05,580 One bombshell after another about his bizarre behaviour 800 00:55:05,780 --> 00:55:07,700 in a new British documentary. 801 00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:11,100 Jackson admits he still has sleepovers with young boys. 802 00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:14,260 I felt... 803 00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:20,220 ..shock. Absolute shock. 804 00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:22,820 Have you lost all touch with reality... 805 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,820 ..that you don't even know how people are going to 806 00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:29,900 react to that? 807 00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:34,900 He said he slept in a bed with children that are not his own. 808 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:36,940 I mean, this isn't made up, this isn't fabricated. 809 00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:39,060 What kind of loony would, A, do it, 810 00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:41,780 and, B, go on national TV and admit it? 811 00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:46,780 Michael crossed lines that clearly are uncrossable. 812 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:49,460 Sharing a bed with a child that's not yours, 813 00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:52,140 even if it's not sexual, it's still insanity. 814 00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:56,300 We got the reaction from all over, of course. 815 00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:57,820 It was terrible. 816 00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:00,000 You can't sleep with strangers' kids. 817 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,980 As much as I love Michael Jackson, 818 00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:04,140 I'm having a hard time defending him right now. 819 00:56:04,340 --> 00:56:07,220 I believe that child welfare services should interview 820 00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:09,660 every child that has been at Neverland 821 00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:12,620 with Mr Jackson in his bedroom or anywhere else in the home 822 00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:14,500 without the presence of their parents, 823 00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:15,780 find out what's going on. 824 00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:18,220 He couldn't talk, 825 00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:20,800 and he was sitting on his bed crying. 826 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,180 What's ahead for Michael Jackson? 827 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:26,860 What do you think's ahead after this? - Oh, a real bumpy road. 828 00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:30,200 I don't think he'll recover from this one. 829 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,340 That documentary led directly or indirectly 830 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:36,500 to Michael Jackson's death. There's absolutely no question about it. 831 00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:38,220 That was the beginning of the end. 832 00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:54,100 Michael Jackson wasn't the ordinary paedophile. 833 00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:57,460 He had the means to be able to do things 834 00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:00,220 that no-one else I had ever prosecuted could do. 835 00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:04,540 An estate that was 2,800 acres, 836 00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:07,500 and a huge house with multiple locks, 837 00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,180 a staff that just ignored what was going on. 838 00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:12,100 That was unique to Michael Jackson. 839 00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:16,660 Gavin, can you tell us what your conversations, 840 00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:18,340 what you guys talked about? 841 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:34,500 We had lost the opportunity ten years earlier. 842 00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:38,660 And we were determined that that not happen again. 66844

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