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This American icon, this great talent,
gone.

It's been a year since his death.

Oprah remembers Michael Jackson and
their historic worldwide interview from

Neverland Ranch.

It literally was like going to see the
wizard.

What I was thinking then, you could
immediately sense both fear and sadness

his eyes. And now, I was surprised that
he was willing to go that far.

Next.

I was on vacation with all of Harpo and
their families, and we

got the news that Michael Jackson was
dead.

And there was this kind

of sadness that everybody felt.

Just like the rest of the world, we
didn't know the details, but there was

kind of, gee, this American icon, this
genius

musician, this great talent, gone.

What happened?

And, you know, all around me, people
were talking about the fact that he had

been in preparation for this great
London tour, and I felt...

How sad that he won't be able to live
that.

At the time of Michael's death, he was
preparing for a major comeback concert.

An estimated one million people were
planning to attend his This Is It tour.

Michael passed away less than three
weeks before the first show in London.

But the hours he poured into rehearsals
are forever preserved in a new film

called This Is It.

For anybody who passes who is this
known, and even if it's just a member of

your family,

that nobody other than you and your
family know, you always think about what

happening in the last days, what was
going on with them, what were they

thinking, what did they do, what were
they feeling.

And I think for the rest of the world
now to have an opportunity to see this

film and to have at least a glimpse of
what was going on with Michael Jackson

just days before.

His last day is really important to
people who really cared about him.

When I interviewed Michael Jackson in
1993, he was considered the greatest

entertainer in the world. There had been
no allegations of sexual abuse. And

Dangerous, his most recent album, was
flying off shelves.

Thriller, released a decade earlier, was
and still is the best -selling album

ever. With worldwide record sales of
over $1 billion and concerts selling out

minutes, Michael was the most famous pop
star on the planet. But for 14 years,

the fiercely private singer had refused
to give a single interview.

All that changed on February 10, 1993,
when Michael agreed to sit down with me,

live, from Neverland Ranch.

In 1993, this was the most exciting
interview I'd ever done and certainly

going to be the most watched interview
I'd ever done. There was a lot of

pressure and a lot of excitement. I
remember going to Michael Jackson's

prior to this, shooting promos there.
There was great excitement.

First of all, I came with my little
entourage because I always travel. Got

get my hair done with hair and makeup
and the producer. And we were just

thrilled.

So it's me, hair, makeup, producer. We
are just thrilled.

We are just we can't believe it. We are
like coming in the gates of Neverland.

It's like that moment where in The
Wizard of Oz when they sing.

out of the woods, step into the light.
It literally was like going to see the

wizard.

Live from Santa Inez, California,
Michael Jackson talks to Oprah.

Michael Jackson's home is nothing like
anyone would expect.

I thought there were going to be a few
llamas roaming around the living room

maybe some chimps jumping around.

Don't get me wrong. I was dead wrong.
There are plenty of mind -boggling areas

on this 2 ,700 -acre ranch, which you'll
see during the next 90 minutes. But

where Michael Jackson eats and where he
sleeps and where he lives is quite

simply a beautiful home.

At the time that I was doing that
interview,

Michael Jackson was known for sleeping
in the oxygen chamber and running around

with the chimp, and he was a world
musical icon. There were no allegations

the time of sexual abuse.

What I sensed when I went to Neverland
was the real sense of joy he was trying

to create for children and for himself
there.

I've done hundreds of interviews.

thousands of interviews and i don't ever
recall ever ever being in an interview

where my knees were shaking because the
moment i said coming up live around the

world that's when it hit me that i was
going to be coming up live around the

world and i remember being out in the
trailer going oh my god oh my god i

have any questions what if he doesn't
answer

What if I am live around the world and I
don't have the next question formed in

my head to go to, which that isn't my
style is to know what questions I'm

to ask. I just thought I am going to be
in big trouble.

Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Jackson.

In your own house.

Hey.

Hey.

Well, how nervous are you right now?

How what? How nervous are you right now?

I'm not nervous at all, actually. You
really aren't? No, I never get nervous.

You don't?

No. Not even for your first interview
and it's live around the world?

I thought you'd be a little nervous, but
that's great. Because if you're not

nervous, I won't be nervous.

I just wanted to let the world know that
when we agreed to do this interview,

you said that you would be willing to
talk to me about everything, and we

haven't discussed one single question
that's going to be asked here tonight.

Just wanted to make that clear. Very
true.

Very true.

And so my first question to Michael
Jackson, how nervous are you right now?

asked that question because I was so
nervous my knees were shaking.

And I asked that question to sort of
give myself some room, because I

well, if I'm nervous, he must be really
nervous. And when he said he wasn't

nervous,

That really calmed me down.

But we hadn't discussed a question
because I didn't have a question.

That's why we hadn't discussed a
question. I didn't have a question.

I was just going to sit down with
Michael Jackson and have a conversation.

That was my interview style at the time.
Let's just see what happens here.

Not so smart for live around the world.

Pretty smart if you're on tape and you
say, let's see how it goes, and if it

doesn't go, you can tape something else.

But not so smart.

for live around the world. That could
have backfired on me big time and could

have ruined my career right in that
moment. I could have ruined my career.

I talked to Suzanne DePass the other
day, and Suzanne DePass worked with you

for a long time at Motown and really
groomed you all and found the outfits

the Ed Sullivan show. I wanted to go to
this to hear what Suzanne had to say

about your show.

We're going to look at some pictures of
you as a little boy.

He lost the ability to be a kid before
his 12th birthday.

Michael Jackson really was never able to
go anywhere without a bodyguard or

without a limousine, you know, people to
protect him from his success.

To not ever be able to just go out to
the park and look up at the sky and to

be able to go to the movies, I just
think that he has paid a tremendous

Suzanne said it was a heavy price. I
want to know how big of a price it was,

losing your childhood or having this
kind of life.

Well, you don't get to do things that
other children get to do. You know, the

simple things that they so much take for
granted.

Having friends and slumber parties and
buddies and just hanging out. There was

none of that for me.

Coming up, I was surprised that he was
willing to go that far.

What Michael told me about his father.

In 1993, nearly 100 million people tuned
in to see my historic

interview with Michael Jackson. Our
conversation took place six months

any sexual abuse allegations surfaced.
At that time...

Michael was simply the biggest pop star
on the planet.

And that's what this interview was
about.

The world has never seen a star like
that, like Michael Jackson.

We've never seen a star like Michael
Jackson.

And so, obviously, there's no rule book
for how you would do that.

And so what I sensed from him was...

How lonely it is, how it really is
lonely at the top.

Were you as happy offstage as you appear
to be onstage?

Well, onstage for me was home.

I was most comfortable and still most
comfortable onstage.

But once I got offstage, I was, like,
very sad.

Really? Yes.

There were times when I had great times
with my brothers, pillow fights and

things, but I was always, I used to
always cry from loneliness.

You did?

Yes. Beginning at what age?

Oh, very little.

Eight, nine.

When you all first became famous? Yes.

So it wasn't what it appeared to be to
the rest of the world, all of us. I

remember I was a little black child,
wanted to marry Jackie Jackson, your

brother. I mean, to all of us, we
thought this was the most wonderful

the world. Who wouldn't have wanted that
life? It is wonderful.

There is a lot of wonderment in being
famous. I mean, you travel the world and

you see things, you meet people, you go
places.

It's great.

But then there's the other side.

I would do my schooling, which was three
hours with a tutor. Then right after

that, you know, I'd go to the recording
studio and record. And I'd record for

hours and hours till it was time to go
to sleep.

So it'd be nighttime. And I remember
going to the recording studio. There was

park across the street and I'd see all
the children playing and they'd be

rooting and making noise and I would
cry.

It'd make me sad that I would have to go
and work instead.

Was there ever a place where, because,
you know, children, you know, I remember

playing games and talking to myself and
playing with my dolls and all that. Was

there, and I think every child needs a
place to escape into a child's world,

into a child's imagination. Was there
ever a time you could do that? No, and

that is why I think now, because I
didn't have it thin, I compensate for

Really? I mean, people wonder why I
always have children around, because I

the thing that I never had through them.

You know, Disneyland, amusement parks,
arcade games.

I adore all that stuff because when I
was little, it was always work, work,

from one concert to the next. If it
wasn't concert, it was the recording

If it wasn't that, it was TV shows or
interviews or picture sessions.

It was always something to do.

So here you were, Michael Jackson, with
hits. You all had so many hits, four

hits in a row.

And you were crying because you couldn't
be like other kids.

Well, I love show business, and I still
love show business. But then there are

times you want to play and have some
fun, and that part did make me sad. I

remember one time we were getting ready
to go to South America, and everybody

was packed up in the cars, ready to
leave and go.

And I hid, and I was crying while I was
hiding because I really did not want to

go. I wanted to play.

I did not want to go.

Were your brothers jealous of you when
you started getting all the attention?

Not that I know of, no.

What's your relationship like with your
family? Are you all close still? I love

my family very much. I wish I could see
them a little more often than I do.

But we understand because we're a show
business family and we all work.

We do have family day when we all get
together. We'll pick a person's house.

might be Jermaine's house or Marlon's
house or Tito's house.

And everybody will come together and
we'll fellowship.

And love each other and talk and catch
up on who's doing what.

Well,

I can tell you, he's very likable there.
And I will tell you, I really, really,

really, really liked him.

And, you know, there's that thing that
happens when somebody is around

famous people where...

You move from sort of fandom to like,
oh, gee, I wonder if I could be his

friend. I never want to do that because
I want to just be able to have the

interview and let that be what it is.
But I really, you know, after this

interview, thought I could be his
friend. I could be his friend because I

that he really was honest, as honest as
he knew how to be.

And, you know, as forthcoming as he
wanted to be at that particular time.

I'm wondering.

When you started to go through
adolescence, having been this child

was that a particularly difficult time
for you? Very, very, very difficult,

really. Yes, yes.

Because I think every child star suffers
through this period because you're not

the cute and charming child that you
were, and you start to grow.

And they want to keep you young forever
and little forever.

Who's they?

The public.

And, you know, nature takes its course.

It does.

And I had pimples so badly, and it made
me so shy. I used to not look at myself.

I'd wash my face in the dark. I wouldn't
want to look in the mirror.

Really? My father teased me.

And I just hated it. I cried every day
because of it. Your father would tease

you about your family? Yes, he would
tell me I'm ugly.

Your father would say that? Yes, he
would.

Sorry, Joseph.

What's your relationship like with him?

I love my father, but I don't know him.

Are you angry with him for doing that? I
think that's pretty cruel, actually.

Am I angry with him?

Because adolescence is hard enough
without a parent telling you that you're

ugly. It's very difficult.

Am I angry with him?

Sometimes I do get angry, yes. I don't
know him the way I'd like to know him.

mother's wonderful.

To me, she's perfection.

I just wish I could understand my
father.

And so let's talk about these teen
years. Is that when you started to go

yourself?

you know 14 years i think is your last
televised interview so you went inside

you became a recluse and that was on
purpose was it to was it to protect

yourself i felt that there wasn't
anything important for me to say

you know those were very sad sad years
for me and uh why so sad because on

stage we see you performing you're
getting your grammys you're why so sad

Oh, there's a lot of sadness about my
past life and, you know, adolescence and

my father and all of those things. It
just made me very, very, very sad.

So he would tease you, make fun of you?

Yes.

Would he, did he ever beat you?

Yes, he did.

Yes. And that was difficult to take,
getting beaten and going on stage and

performing. Yes.

And why would he beat you?

He wanted me to, I guess maybe, I don't
know if I was his golden child or

whatever it was.

Some may call it a strict disciplinarian
or whatever, but he was very strict,

very hard, very stern.

And just a look would scare you.

Were you scared of him?

Very, frightened.

There's been times when he'd come to see
me and I would get sick.

Really? I'd start to regurgitate.

As a child or as an adult?

Both, both.

He's never heard me say this. I'm sorry.
Please don't be mad at me.

You know, when he was talking about his
father, you could immediately sense both

fear and sadness in his eyes.

And off camera, he said some things to
me that were off camera and that

I won't be sharing.

But, you know, that was a difficult
relationship for him.

No question about that.

I was surprised that he was willing to
go that far with it. I was surprised

he was willing to say even what he said,
and even in saying it, trying to temper

it by saying, please don't be mad at me,
Joseph. Please don't be mad at me,

Joseph. So obviously you know that he
still carried that fear and pain of it.

And you could just, if you're watching
it, you know.

Put it on pause right now and go back
and look in his eyes when he starts to

talk about his father. His eyes shift to
change.

Of course, his father, Joe Jackson, has
said repeatedly that he never beat him.

But I would have to say in that moment,
I certainly believed what he was saying.

What he was doing was, you know,
breaking the facade, the wall that

had of, you know, the great perfect
family.

what he allowed us to see is to
penetrate that and to begin to see some

dysfunction. Coming up, what Michael
told me about plastic surgery and the

of his skin.

Well, you can see he got a little testy
there.

That's next.

I think in 1993 nobody understood what
it was. Nobody knew.

anything about vitiligo, the controversy
was Michael Jackson kept getting whiter

and whiter and whiter and whiter, and
nobody understood why.

But anybody who knows Michael Jackson
will tell you that when you are up close

to him, I mean, he has...

had absolutely no pigmentation in his
skin. So you can see all the way

You are looking at his veins when you
look at his hand. When you look at him,

you are seeing through to the blue
veins, and they're very, very, very,

very apparent.

And at first, that's a startling thing.

Nobody ever talks about that, but it
takes you aback at first. So you're like

looking at a person who is...

almost like translucent, like looking
through skin. It's like looking

through skin.

The thing that is most discussed about
you, I think, is the fact that the color

of your skin is obviously different than
it was when you were younger. And so it

has caused a great deal of speculation
and controversy as to...

What you have done or are doing, are you
bleaching your skin?

And is your skin lighter because you
don't like being black?

Okay, number one, there, as I know of,
there is no such thing as skin

I have never seen it. I don't know what
it is. Well, they used to have those

products growing up. I used to hear,
always use bleach and glow, but you'd

to have about 300 ,000 gallons. Okay,
number one, this is the situation. I

a skin disorder that destroys the
pigmentation of the skin. It's something

I cannot help.

But when people make up stories that I
don't want to be who I am, it hurts me.

So it is a problem for me. I can't
control it.

But what about all the millions of
people? Let's reverse it.

What about all the millions of people
who sit out in the sun to become darker,

to become other than what they are?

Nobody says nothing about that. So when
did this start? When did the color of

your skin start to change?

Oh, boy.

Sometime after Thriller.

Or an off -the -wall thriller.

And what did you think?

It's in my family. My father said it's
on his side. I can't control it. I don't

understand. I mean, it makes me very
sad.

I don't want to go into my medical
history because that's something that's

private. But that's the situation here.
So please, when people see something

like that. I just want to get this
straight. You are not taking anything to

change the color of your skin? Oh, God,
no. You did not purposely? We're trying

to control it. And using makeup evens it
out because it makes blotches on the

skin. And I have to even out my skin.
Well,

you can see he got a little testy there
about the skin issue.

This was a very big deal in 1993 to have
him explain to us that that is what was

happening. Because, as you can imagine,
there was no official explanation when

it started to happen that I had heard
of.

And so the media speculated as it would.

about what was going on and the tabloids
and all of that.

And I could see that that was one of the
areas that was very sensitive to him,

obviously.

And, you know, I tried not to stay on
that very long.

Because the thing about doing an
interview, which has happened to me a

times, once you tick somebody off, it's
hard to get them back.

You know, it's hard to get him back. So
I'm like, I know I got to get through

this. You can't do an interview with
Michael Jackson.

At the time, that was one of the biggest
controversies going with him is that,

Michael, you've all of a sudden become a
different color.

How much plastic surgery have you had?

Very, very little.

You can count them on two fingers.

I mean, let's say this. If you want to
know about those things, all the nosy

people in the world.

But once we say it, we don't have to say
it anymore. Read my book, Moonwalker.

It's in my book. You know, let's just
put it this way. If all the people in

Hollywood who have had plastic surgery,
if they went on vacation, there wouldn't

be a person left in town.

I think you might be right.

I think I am right. I mean, the empty.
So did you start, okay, did you start

having plastic surgery because of those
teen years, because of not liking the

way you look?

No, not really. Not really? It's no big
deal.

Okay. You don't want to tell me what it
is? You had your nose done, obviously.

Yeah, but so did a lot of people that I
know. Yeah.

And so when you hear all these things
about you, and there have been...

But I've never had my cheekbones done,
never had my eyes done, never had all my

lips done and all this stuff. They just
go too far. I mean, it's crazy.

But this is something that happens like
every day with other people.

Are you pleased now with the way you
look? I'm never pleased with anything.

a perfectionist. It's part of who I am.

And so when you look in the mirror now
and the image that looks back at you,

Are there days when you say, well, I
kind of like this or I like that?

No, I'm never pleased with myself. I
think I'm pretty cute today.

No, I'm not pretty cute today.

No,

I try not to look in the mirror. I
really do because I'm never happy with

see. So I go on with my work and get it
done.

I've got to say I didn't believe him
there.

Yeah, counting on two fingers. And he
also gave me that response that I most,

most, most dislike from anybody that I'm
interviewing. But you can't tell it

there, can you? He gave me the response
I most, most dislike. You ask a question

and the person says, read about it in my
book.

That makes me nuts.

But we must go on because we're live
around the world.

Coming up. I'm going to ask you this,
and it's embarrassing for me to ask you

this, but I'm going to ask you anyway.
Are you a virgin?

You know, in every interview that I do,
I really am

the surrogate viewer.

So, you know, in so many of his videos,
he's grabbing his crotch, and that's

what people wanted to know. What is that
thing he has with his crotch?

So I ask that question because that's
what people want to know.

I have to ask you this. So many mothers
in my audience have said to please ask

you this question. Yeah. Why do you
always grab your crotch?

Why do I grab my crotch? We think you
got a thing with your crotch going on

here. I think it happens subliminally.

When I dance, if you're a dancer, you
know you're just interpreting the sounds

and the accompaniment of the music. If
there's a driving bass, you become the

bass. If there's a cello, if there's a
string, you become that.

So you become the emotion of what that
sound is.

Okay? So if I'm doing a movement and I
go, bam, and I grab myself.

It's the music that compels me to do it.
It's not saying I'm ready to grab down

there and it's not a great place. You
don't think about it. It just happens.

Sometimes I look back at the footage and
I go, did I do that?

Yeah. So I'm slave to the rhythm. Yeah.

Okay? Mm -hmm.

I think the alarm's going off in the
house. I don't know why.

But we're going to fix it in a minute.
We're in live television. So we're going

to go to break. These things happen.
We'll be right back. Okay.

What was I thinking? You want to know
what I was thinking? What the hell was

that?

I don't know what that was or why that
happened in a live interview.

I think it was a smoke detector or
something had gone off.

It's crazy.

Well, first of all, what I knew was you
can't continue talking in this

interview. You can't continue the
conversation with both of us now

that this alarm isn't going off in the
house.

We've got to do something and hope
whatever it is, we can fix it in two and

half minutes, in a two and a half minute
break.

I think the F word was probably said a
few times by the director.

I think that might have happened.

I heard a couple of those over the
loudspeaker.

Yeah. Do you go out? Do you date?

Yes.

Who do you date?

Well, right now it's Brooke Shields.

Mm -hmm.

Well, we try not to just be everywhere
and go everywhere.

It's mostly at home. She'll come over,
I'll go to her house, because I don't

like going out in the public.

I mean, there was this sort of mystery
about him.

You know, at the same time he's holding
his crotch and wants to rock with us all

night, we don't know, you know, who's he
rocking with. That's really what you

want to know, who's rocking with you
when you're a rock with me.

Have you ever been in love?

Yeah. Mm -hmm.

With Brooke shield yes and another girl
and another girl I'm going to ask you

this and it's embarrassing for me to ask
you this, but I'm going to ask you

anyway. Are you a virgin?

How could you?

I'm just I just want to know I want it.
I'm a gentleman.

You're a gentleman. I'm a gentleman So
I'm a gentleman so that okay I would

interpret that to mean that means that
you believe that a lady is a lady, and

therefore... That's something that's
private.

I mean, you know, it shouldn't be spoken
about openly.

You can call me old -fashioned if you
want, but, you know, to me that's very

personal. So you're not going to answer
it? I'm embarrassed.

So you're not going to answer it? Well,
we would like to know whether or not...

there is a possibility that you are
going to marry one day and have

I would feel that my life is incomplete
if I do not, because I adore the family

life. I adore children, and I adore that
whole thing.

And I would love to. That's one of my
dreams, but I couldn't right now because

I'm married.

I am married, but to my work.

Coming up, what happened when Elizabeth
Taylor dropped by?

I'm looking at this whole interview
cringing. First of all, let's get over

hair. But mine, and my voice, I don't
know where my voice is. It feels like

in my mouth instead of in my diaphragm.
So there's a level of nervousness there

that I sense in myself that I really
thought that I'd overcome after Michael

down. But I can see that I'm truly, I'm
not really fully in my body in this

interview.

and perhaps maybe a little more
preparation would have helped me.

You know what I mean? Because I really
am flying by the seat of my pantyhose

from one segment to the next.

I heard, too, this was another one of
those rumors, that you had proposed to

Elizabeth Taylor at some point.

Elizabeth Taylor is gorgeous, beautiful,
and she still is today.

Yeah. And I'm crazy about her. Yeah, but
did you propose to her?

I would like to have.

Yeah.

Elizabeth Taylor is here. Liz, can we
bring Liz in now?

Liz had said that she wanted to be here
to hold your hand through this. You

don't look like you need your hand now.
Hi, Elizabeth. Elizabeth Taylor.

Hello. Hi.

Hi. Have a seat. Have a seat. Thank you.
Did Michael ever propose to you?

No.

And I never proposed to him. Never did.

What do you think is most misunderstood
about Michael Jackson, Liz?

All the things you mentioned.

He is the least weird man I've ever
known. He is highly intelligent,

shrewd, intuitive,

understanding, sympathetic, generous, to

almost a fault of himself.

And he just...

If he has any eccentricities, it's that
he is larger

than life, and some people just can't
accept that or face it or understand it.

His talent on stage, why I call him the
king of pop, rock, soul,

music, entertainment, whatever, there's
nobody that can come near him. Nobody

can dance like that, write the lyrics
like that, the music.

caused the kind of excitement he does.

And why do you think you all are such
friends? What has brought this kind of

bond? Because people try to make this be
weird.

Well, it's not. I mean, our childhoods
are very similar.

And we have that from the very beginning
in common.

I was a child star at nine, had an
abusive father.

That kind of brought us close together
in the very beginning.

And what is it, I'm going to ask Michael
this question later on, but what is it

you most want the world to know about
him?

What a wonderful, giving, caring,
generous man he is and how good he

is. And he's funny too.

Oh, he's wildly funny.

He can crack some jokes, I tell you.
Yeah.

It's kind of crazy, wasn't it?

As I look at that now, I'm thinking,
well, if we knew she was coming in, why

didn't we have a chair for Michael?

But, you know, I, you know, for the
first time really

understood or had like a

glimpse of that childhood movie star
experience in a way that I

hadn't. And I understood their bond. And
I didn't think it was weird at all.

And prior to that, you know, all the
stories had been, what are they doing

what's this about? But I understood it
and I felt her affection and love for

and him for her because they had this
shared experience that only children who

have grown up in that kind of
environment where they've had to grow

you know, truly understand. So I really
got that.

I hope the rest of the world got that
too. I got it.

Coming up. Okay, I want to see you
dance. I want to see you dance.

Michael Jackson and our moonwalk moment.

And here we are inside the theater. I
had one too many sugar babies here the

other day at the candy counter.

I went on the tour. I was in the craft
room and the candy room and

the ice cream store and all of that. And
actually, my

makeup artist at the time, Reggie Wells,
ate so much

cotton candy and ice cream and junk.

He had to be hospitalized that night.

I am not kidding because I think, well,
this is what happened to happen to

children who come. You can't stop
yourself. And so you're eating all the

and then you me moving on from fudge and
you're going to the cotton candy and

then you're in the ice cream place and
then you just can't stop yourself. And

then there is a hot dog stand and then
there's so much like if you're a kid,

it's just like, oh, my goodness. I have
just opened the doors to Neverland.

Really? Where did the moonwalk come
from, actually?

Well, the moonwalk came from these
beautiful children, these black kids who

in the ghettos, and, you know, the inner
cities, who are brilliant. They just

have that natural talent for dancing.
Any of the new hot dancers, the running

man, any of these dancers, they come up
with these dances. All I did was enhance

the dance. Okay, I want to see you
dance. I want to see you dance.

No, no.

I want to see you dance live.

No, I can show you a step or two, but
I'm a little rusty right now. A little

rusty.

That's the move. Did you catch it from
the sideways?

Got to turn sideways?

Are you from the front? Yeah. We got
you. From the sideways.

Okay, just show me slow motion. Could
you show me slow motion?

Wait.

It's like it's pushing and then there's

It's mainly like a popping type of
thing.

Well, I saw it live.

I saw it live. I saw it live.

We're in his theater there on the
Neverland Ranch.

And that was really kind of a little
thrill to get to see Michael Jackson do

that because we all remember. Do not we
all?

We all remember when we first saw.

The Suzanne DePass produced Motown 25
special and Michael Jackson. You know,

there are seminal moments in our life,
and that's one of them. Where were you

when Michael Jackson first moonwalked on
the Motown 25?

Yeah, everybody. Everybody knows that
moment. And so to be able to see him do

that live and experience that, that was

a little thriller for me.

We'll be right back with some final
thoughts.

So when you're standing there and
there's a sea of people responding to

screaming your name as they were, what
does that feel like?

Love. You feel lots of love. And I feel
blessed and honored to be able to be an

instrument of nature that was chosen to
give them that. When I give them, I'm

very honored and happy about that. An
instrument of nature. That's an

interesting way to describe yourself.

Thank you. Yeah.

Are you very spiritual?

In what sense?

I mean, do you meditate?

Do you understand that there's something
bigger than yourself at work here? I

believe in God, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Very much.

And I believe everybody comes to the
world for a reason, I think.

Most of us spend our lives trying to
figure out what the purpose of our being

here is. What do you think yours is?

My purpose?

Oh, boy. I think...

To give in the best way I can through
song and through dance and through music

mean I am committed to my art I believe
that all art has as its ultimate goal

the union between the material and the
spiritual the human and the divine I

believe that to be the reason for the
very existence of art and I feel I was

chosen as an instrument to just give
music and love and harmony to the world

What do you want the world to know about
you most? I ask Liz that of you. What

do you want them to know? Like to be
remembered for?

Well, not to be remembered for. What
about known for now?

Forget remembered.

Oh, known for now as to be an artist, a
great artist. I love what I do, and I

would love people to love what I do. And
to be loved, I just simply want to be

loved wherever I go.

And obviously, if I had known that we'd
be sitting here,

Talking about the memory of Michael
Jackson, I would have let him finish

wanted to be remembered for.

You know, now that I watch this, I see
how profoundly lonely he was.

And at the time, I was probably more
caught up in the, oh, we got the Michael

Jackson interview.

And I heard it and sensed it, but I
didn't really feel how profoundly

lonely.

He was.

And sad.

There's a sadness about it.

And, you know, had I reached out to him,
I'm certainly not saying, oh, my God,

you know, if I had been a friend of
Michael Jackson, things might have been

different. But, you know, I just might
have felt better about this particular

moment that I'm having right now.
Because I didn't. I didn't. I let the

interview be done, and that was it.

What I would remember about Michael the
most is that he was a person who was

passionate about life.

He was really passionate about his work.

But just like everybody else, I never
imagined this day coming too soon.

And really felt that song at his funeral
was really the greatest

part of the eulogy.

Gone too soon.