1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,800 This American icon, this great talent, gone. 2 00:00:10,220 --> 00:00:12,000 It's been a year since his death. 3 00:00:12,460 --> 00:00:17,600 Oprah remembers Michael Jackson and their historic worldwide interview from 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:18,600 Neverland Ranch. 5 00:00:18,820 --> 00:00:22,000 It literally was like going to see the wizard. 6 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:28,240 What I was thinking then, you could immediately sense both fear and sadness 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,100 his eyes. And now, I was surprised that he was willing to go that far. 8 00:00:33,580 --> 00:00:34,580 Next. 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:42,800 I was on vacation with all of Harpo and their families, and we 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,400 got the news that Michael Jackson was dead. 11 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:54,220 And there was this kind 12 00:00:54,220 --> 00:01:00,360 of sadness that everybody felt. 13 00:01:01,890 --> 00:01:05,550 Just like the rest of the world, we didn't know the details, but there was 14 00:01:05,550 --> 00:01:12,290 kind of, gee, this American icon, this genius 15 00:01:12,290 --> 00:01:15,530 musician, this great talent, gone. 16 00:01:15,750 --> 00:01:16,750 What happened? 17 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:23,410 And, you know, all around me, people were talking about the fact that he had 18 00:01:23,410 --> 00:01:29,670 been in preparation for this great London tour, and I felt... 19 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,320 How sad that he won't be able to live that. 20 00:01:33,940 --> 00:01:38,520 At the time of Michael's death, he was preparing for a major comeback concert. 21 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:43,200 An estimated one million people were planning to attend his This Is It tour. 22 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:48,740 Michael passed away less than three weeks before the first show in London. 23 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,320 But the hours he poured into rehearsals are forever preserved in a new film 24 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,320 called This Is It. 25 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:24,100 For anybody who passes who is this known, and even if it's just a member of 26 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:25,100 your family, 27 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:30,340 that nobody other than you and your family know, you always think about what 28 00:02:30,340 --> 00:02:34,660 happening in the last days, what was going on with them, what were they 29 00:02:34,660 --> 00:02:36,720 thinking, what did they do, what were they feeling. 30 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:44,240 And I think for the rest of the world now to have an opportunity to see this 31 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:50,860 film and to have at least a glimpse of what was going on with Michael Jackson 32 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:52,680 just days before. 33 00:02:53,930 --> 00:02:59,710 His last day is really important to people who really cared about him. 34 00:03:00,010 --> 00:03:05,530 When I interviewed Michael Jackson in 1993, he was considered the greatest 35 00:03:05,530 --> 00:03:10,190 entertainer in the world. There had been no allegations of sexual abuse. And 36 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:13,570 Dangerous, his most recent album, was flying off shelves. 37 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:22,000 Thriller, released a decade earlier, was and still is the best -selling album 38 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,800 ever. With worldwide record sales of over $1 billion and concerts selling out 39 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:33,000 minutes, Michael was the most famous pop star on the planet. But for 14 years, 40 00:03:33,180 --> 00:03:37,060 the fiercely private singer had refused to give a single interview. 41 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:44,140 All that changed on February 10, 1993, when Michael agreed to sit down with me, 42 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,590 live, from Neverland Ranch. 43 00:03:47,210 --> 00:03:50,990 In 1993, this was the most exciting interview I'd ever done and certainly 44 00:03:50,990 --> 00:03:54,490 going to be the most watched interview I'd ever done. There was a lot of 45 00:03:54,490 --> 00:03:59,910 pressure and a lot of excitement. I remember going to Michael Jackson's 46 00:03:59,910 --> 00:04:04,150 prior to this, shooting promos there. There was great excitement. 47 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:10,360 First of all, I came with my little entourage because I always travel. Got 48 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:17,260 get my hair done with hair and makeup and the producer. And we were just 49 00:04:17,260 --> 00:04:18,399 thrilled. 50 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:24,140 So it's me, hair, makeup, producer. We are just thrilled. 51 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,460 We are just we can't believe it. We are like coming in the gates of Neverland. 52 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,540 It's like that moment where in The Wizard of Oz when they sing. 53 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:38,020 out of the woods, step into the light. It literally was like going to see the 54 00:04:38,020 --> 00:04:39,020 wizard. 55 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,900 Live from Santa Inez, California, Michael Jackson talks to Oprah. 56 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Michael Jackson's home is nothing like anyone would expect. 57 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:57,950 I thought there were going to be a few llamas roaming around the living room 58 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:59,570 maybe some chimps jumping around. 59 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:06,270 Don't get me wrong. I was dead wrong. There are plenty of mind -boggling areas 60 00:05:06,270 --> 00:05:11,370 on this 2 ,700 -acre ranch, which you'll see during the next 90 minutes. But 61 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:16,450 where Michael Jackson eats and where he sleeps and where he lives is quite 62 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:18,510 simply a beautiful home. 63 00:05:18,790 --> 00:05:20,890 At the time that I was doing that interview, 64 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:28,300 Michael Jackson was known for sleeping in the oxygen chamber and running around 65 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:35,240 with the chimp, and he was a world musical icon. There were no allegations 66 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,480 the time of sexual abuse. 67 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:43,720 What I sensed when I went to Neverland was the real sense of joy he was trying 68 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,180 to create for children and for himself there. 69 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,380 I've done hundreds of interviews. 70 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,000 thousands of interviews and i don't ever recall ever ever being in an interview 71 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,600 where my knees were shaking because the moment i said coming up live around the 72 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,520 world that's when it hit me that i was going to be coming up live around the 73 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,140 world and i remember being out in the trailer going oh my god oh my god i 74 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:15,080 have any questions what if he doesn't answer 75 00:06:15,870 --> 00:06:21,550 What if I am live around the world and I don't have the next question formed in 76 00:06:21,550 --> 00:06:25,350 my head to go to, which that isn't my style is to know what questions I'm 77 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:28,730 to ask. I just thought I am going to be in big trouble. 78 00:06:29,170 --> 00:06:31,470 Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Jackson. 79 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:40,350 In your own house. 80 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:42,230 Hey. 81 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Hey. 82 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:46,060 Well, how nervous are you right now? 83 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,300 How what? How nervous are you right now? 84 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:55,480 I'm not nervous at all, actually. You really aren't? No, I never get nervous. 85 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,579 You don't? 86 00:06:56,580 --> 00:07:00,980 No. Not even for your first interview and it's live around the world? 87 00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:04,620 I thought you'd be a little nervous, but that's great. Because if you're not 88 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:05,680 nervous, I won't be nervous. 89 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:11,280 I just wanted to let the world know that when we agreed to do this interview, 90 00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:14,890 you said that you would be willing to talk to me about everything, and we 91 00:07:14,890 --> 00:07:19,710 haven't discussed one single question that's going to be asked here tonight. 92 00:07:19,950 --> 00:07:21,710 Just wanted to make that clear. Very true. 93 00:07:21,910 --> 00:07:22,889 Very true. 94 00:07:22,890 --> 00:07:28,390 And so my first question to Michael Jackson, how nervous are you right now? 95 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:31,770 asked that question because I was so nervous my knees were shaking. 96 00:07:32,050 --> 00:07:35,430 And I asked that question to sort of give myself some room, because I 97 00:07:35,450 --> 00:07:39,030 well, if I'm nervous, he must be really nervous. And when he said he wasn't 98 00:07:39,030 --> 00:07:40,030 nervous, 99 00:07:40,250 --> 00:07:41,950 That really calmed me down. 100 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:46,090 But we hadn't discussed a question because I didn't have a question. 101 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:49,590 That's why we hadn't discussed a question. I didn't have a question. 102 00:07:50,030 --> 00:07:52,410 I was just going to sit down with Michael Jackson and have a conversation. 103 00:07:53,570 --> 00:07:57,190 That was my interview style at the time. Let's just see what happens here. 104 00:07:58,210 --> 00:08:00,570 Not so smart for live around the world. 105 00:08:00,790 --> 00:08:04,030 Pretty smart if you're on tape and you say, let's see how it goes, and if it 106 00:08:04,030 --> 00:08:05,490 doesn't go, you can tape something else. 107 00:08:05,750 --> 00:08:07,170 But not so smart. 108 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,060 for live around the world. That could have backfired on me big time and could 109 00:08:11,060 --> 00:08:16,160 have ruined my career right in that moment. I could have ruined my career. 110 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:20,780 I talked to Suzanne DePass the other day, and Suzanne DePass worked with you 111 00:08:20,780 --> 00:08:24,920 for a long time at Motown and really groomed you all and found the outfits 112 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,180 the Ed Sullivan show. I wanted to go to this to hear what Suzanne had to say 113 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:29,999 about your show. 114 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,900 We're going to look at some pictures of you as a little boy. 115 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:42,039 He lost the ability to be a kid before his 12th birthday. 116 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,520 Michael Jackson really was never able to go anywhere without a bodyguard or 117 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,500 without a limousine, you know, people to protect him from his success. 118 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,640 To not ever be able to just go out to the park and look up at the sky and to 119 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,580 be able to go to the movies, I just think that he has paid a tremendous 120 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:14,990 Suzanne said it was a heavy price. I want to know how big of a price it was, 121 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:19,150 losing your childhood or having this kind of life. 122 00:09:20,570 --> 00:09:24,630 Well, you don't get to do things that other children get to do. You know, the 123 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:27,630 simple things that they so much take for granted. 124 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:33,970 Having friends and slumber parties and buddies and just hanging out. There was 125 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:34,970 none of that for me. 126 00:09:35,530 --> 00:09:39,350 Coming up, I was surprised that he was willing to go that far. 127 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:42,830 What Michael told me about his father. 128 00:09:47,230 --> 00:09:53,830 In 1993, nearly 100 million people tuned in to see my historic 129 00:09:53,830 --> 00:09:58,110 interview with Michael Jackson. Our conversation took place six months 130 00:09:58,110 --> 00:10:02,330 any sexual abuse allegations surfaced. At that time... 131 00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:06,570 Michael was simply the biggest pop star on the planet. 132 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:08,710 And that's what this interview was about. 133 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:18,930 The world has never seen a star like that, like Michael Jackson. 134 00:10:18,930 --> 00:10:20,930 We've never seen a star like Michael Jackson. 135 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:26,030 And so, obviously, there's no rule book for how you would do that. 136 00:10:26,270 --> 00:10:29,350 And so what I sensed from him was... 137 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:34,530 How lonely it is, how it really is lonely at the top. 138 00:10:35,510 --> 00:10:39,810 Were you as happy offstage as you appear to be onstage? 139 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:43,330 Well, onstage for me was home. 140 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:47,930 I was most comfortable and still most comfortable onstage. 141 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:51,070 But once I got offstage, I was, like, very sad. 142 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:52,530 Really? Yes. 143 00:10:52,810 --> 00:10:55,850 There were times when I had great times with my brothers, pillow fights and 144 00:10:55,850 --> 00:10:58,990 things, but I was always, I used to always cry from loneliness. 145 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,139 You did? 146 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:01,840 Yes. Beginning at what age? 147 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:03,340 Oh, very little. 148 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:04,640 Eight, nine. 149 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:07,340 When you all first became famous? Yes. 150 00:11:08,010 --> 00:11:12,770 So it wasn't what it appeared to be to the rest of the world, all of us. I 151 00:11:12,770 --> 00:11:15,530 remember I was a little black child, wanted to marry Jackie Jackson, your 152 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:20,250 brother. I mean, to all of us, we thought this was the most wonderful 153 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:23,350 the world. Who wouldn't have wanted that life? It is wonderful. 154 00:11:23,570 --> 00:11:27,850 There is a lot of wonderment in being famous. I mean, you travel the world and 155 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:30,210 you see things, you meet people, you go places. 156 00:11:31,090 --> 00:11:32,049 It's great. 157 00:11:32,050 --> 00:11:33,630 But then there's the other side. 158 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:38,050 I would do my schooling, which was three hours with a tutor. Then right after 159 00:11:38,050 --> 00:11:42,670 that, you know, I'd go to the recording studio and record. And I'd record for 160 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:44,790 hours and hours till it was time to go to sleep. 161 00:11:45,330 --> 00:11:50,510 So it'd be nighttime. And I remember going to the recording studio. There was 162 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:54,710 park across the street and I'd see all the children playing and they'd be 163 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:56,690 rooting and making noise and I would cry. 164 00:11:56,950 --> 00:12:00,310 It'd make me sad that I would have to go and work instead. 165 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:04,440 Was there ever a place where, because, you know, children, you know, I remember 166 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,600 playing games and talking to myself and playing with my dolls and all that. Was 167 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,760 there, and I think every child needs a place to escape into a child's world, 168 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,380 into a child's imagination. Was there ever a time you could do that? No, and 169 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:21,600 that is why I think now, because I didn't have it thin, I compensate for 170 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:26,920 Really? I mean, people wonder why I always have children around, because I 171 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,360 the thing that I never had through them. 172 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,040 You know, Disneyland, amusement parks, arcade games. 173 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:37,840 I adore all that stuff because when I was little, it was always work, work, 174 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,080 from one concert to the next. If it wasn't concert, it was the recording 175 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:46,340 If it wasn't that, it was TV shows or interviews or picture sessions. 176 00:12:46,620 --> 00:12:48,860 It was always something to do. 177 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,900 So here you were, Michael Jackson, with hits. You all had so many hits, four 178 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:55,900 hits in a row. 179 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:59,260 And you were crying because you couldn't be like other kids. 180 00:13:00,339 --> 00:13:06,000 Well, I love show business, and I still love show business. But then there are 181 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,600 times you want to play and have some fun, and that part did make me sad. I 182 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,260 remember one time we were getting ready to go to South America, and everybody 183 00:13:15,260 --> 00:13:17,720 was packed up in the cars, ready to leave and go. 184 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,100 And I hid, and I was crying while I was hiding because I really did not want to 185 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:24,460 go. I wanted to play. 186 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,400 I did not want to go. 187 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:30,080 Were your brothers jealous of you when you started getting all the attention? 188 00:13:30,540 --> 00:13:32,300 Not that I know of, no. 189 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,040 What's your relationship like with your family? Are you all close still? I love 190 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,600 my family very much. I wish I could see them a little more often than I do. 191 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,180 But we understand because we're a show business family and we all work. 192 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,420 We do have family day when we all get together. We'll pick a person's house. 193 00:13:49,420 --> 00:13:52,340 might be Jermaine's house or Marlon's house or Tito's house. 194 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:56,120 And everybody will come together and we'll fellowship. 195 00:13:56,830 --> 00:13:59,990 And love each other and talk and catch up on who's doing what. 196 00:14:01,710 --> 00:14:02,710 Well, 197 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:08,110 I can tell you, he's very likable there. And I will tell you, I really, really, 198 00:14:08,170 --> 00:14:09,170 really, really liked him. 199 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:15,350 And, you know, there's that thing that happens when somebody is around 200 00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:19,110 famous people where... 201 00:14:19,450 --> 00:14:23,110 You move from sort of fandom to like, oh, gee, I wonder if I could be his 202 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:27,130 friend. I never want to do that because I want to just be able to have the 203 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:31,510 interview and let that be what it is. But I really, you know, after this 204 00:14:31,510 --> 00:14:35,890 interview, thought I could be his friend. I could be his friend because I 205 00:14:35,890 --> 00:14:39,650 that he really was honest, as honest as he knew how to be. 206 00:14:40,390 --> 00:14:46,010 And, you know, as forthcoming as he wanted to be at that particular time. 207 00:14:46,390 --> 00:14:47,390 I'm wondering. 208 00:14:47,740 --> 00:14:53,380 When you started to go through adolescence, having been this child 209 00:14:54,140 --> 00:15:00,020 was that a particularly difficult time for you? Very, very, very difficult, 210 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,960 really. Yes, yes. 211 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:08,080 Because I think every child star suffers through this period because you're not 212 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,460 the cute and charming child that you were, and you start to grow. 213 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,660 And they want to keep you young forever and little forever. 214 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,579 Who's they? 215 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:17,580 The public. 216 00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:21,800 And, you know, nature takes its course. 217 00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:23,860 It does. 218 00:15:24,740 --> 00:15:29,880 And I had pimples so badly, and it made me so shy. I used to not look at myself. 219 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,480 I'd wash my face in the dark. I wouldn't want to look in the mirror. 220 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,500 Really? My father teased me. 221 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:40,160 And I just hated it. I cried every day because of it. Your father would tease 222 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,760 you about your family? Yes, he would tell me I'm ugly. 223 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:43,820 Your father would say that? Yes, he would. 224 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:45,140 Sorry, Joseph. 225 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,320 What's your relationship like with him? 226 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:51,460 I love my father, but I don't know him. 227 00:15:53,060 --> 00:15:56,260 Are you angry with him for doing that? I think that's pretty cruel, actually. 228 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:58,220 Am I angry with him? 229 00:16:00,470 --> 00:16:03,890 Because adolescence is hard enough without a parent telling you that you're 230 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:05,210 ugly. It's very difficult. 231 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:07,650 Am I angry with him? 232 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:13,530 Sometimes I do get angry, yes. I don't know him the way I'd like to know him. 233 00:16:13,530 --> 00:16:14,530 mother's wonderful. 234 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:15,750 To me, she's perfection. 235 00:16:16,250 --> 00:16:19,530 I just wish I could understand my father. 236 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:24,850 And so let's talk about these teen years. Is that when you started to go 237 00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:25,850 yourself? 238 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:35,460 you know 14 years i think is your last televised interview so you went inside 239 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:40,160 you became a recluse and that was on purpose was it to was it to protect 240 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:47,040 yourself i felt that there wasn't anything important for me to say 241 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,900 you know those were very sad sad years for me and uh why so sad because on 242 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:57,500 stage we see you performing you're getting your grammys you're why so sad 243 00:16:58,889 --> 00:17:05,569 Oh, there's a lot of sadness about my past life and, you know, adolescence and 244 00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:09,849 my father and all of those things. It just made me very, very, very sad. 245 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:11,650 So he would tease you, make fun of you? 246 00:17:11,869 --> 00:17:12,869 Yes. 247 00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:15,050 Would he, did he ever beat you? 248 00:17:16,650 --> 00:17:17,650 Yes, he did. 249 00:17:18,010 --> 00:17:22,750 Yes. And that was difficult to take, getting beaten and going on stage and 250 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:23,750 performing. Yes. 251 00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:24,869 And why would he beat you? 252 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:31,970 He wanted me to, I guess maybe, I don't know if I was his golden child or 253 00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:32,970 whatever it was. 254 00:17:34,450 --> 00:17:38,870 Some may call it a strict disciplinarian or whatever, but he was very strict, 255 00:17:38,990 --> 00:17:41,230 very hard, very stern. 256 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:43,610 And just a look would scare you. 257 00:17:44,210 --> 00:17:45,570 Were you scared of him? 258 00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:46,970 Very, frightened. 259 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:50,150 There's been times when he'd come to see me and I would get sick. 260 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:52,430 Really? I'd start to regurgitate. 261 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:54,170 As a child or as an adult? 262 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:55,470 Both, both. 263 00:17:56,169 --> 00:18:00,130 He's never heard me say this. I'm sorry. Please don't be mad at me. 264 00:18:03,690 --> 00:18:08,830 You know, when he was talking about his father, you could immediately sense both 265 00:18:08,830 --> 00:18:12,270 fear and sadness in his eyes. 266 00:18:12,850 --> 00:18:19,690 And off camera, he said some things to me that were off camera and that 267 00:18:19,690 --> 00:18:21,490 I won't be sharing. 268 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:25,570 But, you know, that was a difficult relationship for him. 269 00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:26,850 No question about that. 270 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:33,430 I was surprised that he was willing to go that far with it. I was surprised 271 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:39,930 he was willing to say even what he said, and even in saying it, trying to temper 272 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:43,670 it by saying, please don't be mad at me, Joseph. Please don't be mad at me, 273 00:18:43,710 --> 00:18:49,870 Joseph. So obviously you know that he still carried that fear and pain of it. 274 00:18:49,950 --> 00:18:51,830 And you could just, if you're watching it, you know. 275 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,740 Put it on pause right now and go back and look in his eyes when he starts to 276 00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:58,760 talk about his father. His eyes shift to change. 277 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,220 Of course, his father, Joe Jackson, has said repeatedly that he never beat him. 278 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:10,460 But I would have to say in that moment, I certainly believed what he was saying. 279 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:15,500 What he was doing was, you know, breaking the facade, the wall that 280 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:17,620 had of, you know, the great perfect family. 281 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:23,950 what he allowed us to see is to penetrate that and to begin to see some 282 00:19:23,950 --> 00:19:29,750 dysfunction. Coming up, what Michael told me about plastic surgery and the 283 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:30,749 of his skin. 284 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:33,490 Well, you can see he got a little testy there. 285 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:35,250 That's next. 286 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:47,870 I think in 1993 nobody understood what it was. Nobody knew. 287 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,160 anything about vitiligo, the controversy was Michael Jackson kept getting whiter 288 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,880 and whiter and whiter and whiter, and nobody understood why. 289 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:03,240 But anybody who knows Michael Jackson will tell you that when you are up close 290 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,420 to him, I mean, he has... 291 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:10,230 had absolutely no pigmentation in his skin. So you can see all the way 292 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:14,690 You are looking at his veins when you look at his hand. When you look at him, 293 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:19,790 you are seeing through to the blue veins, and they're very, very, very, 294 00:20:19,790 --> 00:20:20,790 very apparent. 295 00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:23,470 And at first, that's a startling thing. 296 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:29,370 Nobody ever talks about that, but it takes you aback at first. So you're like 297 00:20:29,370 --> 00:20:32,490 looking at a person who is... 298 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,680 almost like translucent, like looking through skin. It's like looking 299 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,680 through skin. 300 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:46,240 The thing that is most discussed about you, I think, is the fact that the color 301 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,760 of your skin is obviously different than it was when you were younger. And so it 302 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,680 has caused a great deal of speculation and controversy as to... 303 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,000 What you have done or are doing, are you bleaching your skin? 304 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,800 And is your skin lighter because you don't like being black? 305 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,260 Okay, number one, there, as I know of, there is no such thing as skin 306 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,420 I have never seen it. I don't know what it is. Well, they used to have those 307 00:21:11,420 --> 00:21:14,820 products growing up. I used to hear, always use bleach and glow, but you'd 308 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:18,780 to have about 300 ,000 gallons. Okay, number one, this is the situation. I 309 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:23,720 a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something 310 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,720 I cannot help. 311 00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:29,650 But when people make up stories that I don't want to be who I am, it hurts me. 312 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:36,570 So it is a problem for me. I can't control it. 313 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:40,130 But what about all the millions of people? Let's reverse it. 314 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:44,710 What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become darker, 315 00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:46,310 to become other than what they are? 316 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:51,790 Nobody says nothing about that. So when did this start? When did the color of 317 00:21:51,790 --> 00:21:52,990 your skin start to change? 318 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:55,500 Oh, boy. 319 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,700 Sometime after Thriller. 320 00:21:57,219 --> 00:21:58,620 Or an off -the -wall thriller. 321 00:21:58,820 --> 00:21:59,860 And what did you think? 322 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,320 It's in my family. My father said it's on his side. I can't control it. I don't 323 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,100 understand. I mean, it makes me very sad. 324 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,900 I don't want to go into my medical history because that's something that's 325 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:14,440 private. But that's the situation here. So please, when people see something 326 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,900 like that. I just want to get this straight. You are not taking anything to 327 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,580 change the color of your skin? Oh, God, no. You did not purposely? We're trying 328 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:24,900 to control it. And using makeup evens it out because it makes blotches on the 329 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:27,210 skin. And I have to even out my skin. Well, 330 00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:31,870 you can see he got a little testy there about the skin issue. 331 00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:37,410 This was a very big deal in 1993 to have him explain to us that that is what was 332 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:42,290 happening. Because, as you can imagine, there was no official explanation when 333 00:22:42,290 --> 00:22:44,210 it started to happen that I had heard of. 334 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:49,890 And so the media speculated as it would. 335 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,060 about what was going on and the tabloids and all of that. 336 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,900 And I could see that that was one of the areas that was very sensitive to him, 337 00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:00,020 obviously. 338 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,440 And, you know, I tried not to stay on that very long. 339 00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:09,280 Because the thing about doing an interview, which has happened to me a 340 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,740 times, once you tick somebody off, it's hard to get them back. 341 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,600 You know, it's hard to get him back. So I'm like, I know I got to get through 342 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,340 this. You can't do an interview with Michael Jackson. 343 00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:21,940 At the time, that was one of the biggest controversies going with him is that, 344 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,280 Michael, you've all of a sudden become a different color. 345 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,080 How much plastic surgery have you had? 346 00:23:28,540 --> 00:23:29,580 Very, very little. 347 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,560 You can count them on two fingers. 348 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,200 I mean, let's say this. If you want to know about those things, all the nosy 349 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,200 people in the world. 350 00:23:38,010 --> 00:23:41,510 But once we say it, we don't have to say it anymore. Read my book, Moonwalker. 351 00:23:41,610 --> 00:23:45,450 It's in my book. You know, let's just put it this way. If all the people in 352 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:50,450 Hollywood who have had plastic surgery, if they went on vacation, there wouldn't 353 00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:51,610 be a person left in town. 354 00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:54,710 I think you might be right. 355 00:23:54,950 --> 00:24:00,070 I think I am right. I mean, the empty. So did you start, okay, did you start 356 00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:03,390 having plastic surgery because of those teen years, because of not liking the 357 00:24:03,390 --> 00:24:04,390 way you look? 358 00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:07,710 No, not really. Not really? It's no big deal. 359 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:11,710 Okay. You don't want to tell me what it is? You had your nose done, obviously. 360 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:14,150 Yeah, but so did a lot of people that I know. Yeah. 361 00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:19,190 And so when you hear all these things about you, and there have been... 362 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:24,260 But I've never had my cheekbones done, never had my eyes done, never had all my 363 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:27,440 lips done and all this stuff. They just go too far. I mean, it's crazy. 364 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:32,200 But this is something that happens like every day with other people. 365 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,460 Are you pleased now with the way you look? I'm never pleased with anything. 366 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:38,880 a perfectionist. It's part of who I am. 367 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:45,820 And so when you look in the mirror now and the image that looks back at you, 368 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:49,680 Are there days when you say, well, I kind of like this or I like that? 369 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:52,140 No, I'm never pleased with myself. I think I'm pretty cute today. 370 00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:55,160 No, I'm not pretty cute today. 371 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 No, 372 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560 I try not to look in the mirror. I really do because I'm never happy with 373 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,440 see. So I go on with my work and get it done. 374 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,020 I've got to say I didn't believe him there. 375 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,720 Yeah, counting on two fingers. And he also gave me that response that I most, 376 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:19,440 most, most dislike from anybody that I'm interviewing. But you can't tell it 377 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,540 there, can you? He gave me the response I most, most dislike. You ask a question 378 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:27,600 and the person says, read about it in my book. 379 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,260 That makes me nuts. 380 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:35,080 But we must go on because we're live around the world. 381 00:25:35,989 --> 00:25:39,170 Coming up. I'm going to ask you this, and it's embarrassing for me to ask you 382 00:25:39,170 --> 00:25:40,870 this, but I'm going to ask you anyway. Are you a virgin? 383 00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:54,270 You know, in every interview that I do, I really am 384 00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:55,350 the surrogate viewer. 385 00:25:56,110 --> 00:25:59,750 So, you know, in so many of his videos, he's grabbing his crotch, and that's 386 00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:04,290 what people wanted to know. What is that thing he has with his crotch? 387 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:08,960 So I ask that question because that's what people want to know. 388 00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:15,160 I have to ask you this. So many mothers in my audience have said to please ask 389 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,320 you this question. Yeah. Why do you always grab your crotch? 390 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:25,200 Why do I grab my crotch? We think you got a thing with your crotch going on 391 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,700 here. I think it happens subliminally. 392 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,860 When I dance, if you're a dancer, you know you're just interpreting the sounds 393 00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:34,880 and the accompaniment of the music. If there's a driving bass, you become the 394 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,540 bass. If there's a cello, if there's a string, you become that. 395 00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:40,820 So you become the emotion of what that sound is. 396 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:44,520 Okay? So if I'm doing a movement and I go, bam, and I grab myself. 397 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,460 It's the music that compels me to do it. It's not saying I'm ready to grab down 398 00:26:48,460 --> 00:26:51,600 there and it's not a great place. You don't think about it. It just happens. 399 00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:55,500 Sometimes I look back at the footage and I go, did I do that? 400 00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,220 Yeah. So I'm slave to the rhythm. Yeah. 401 00:26:58,940 --> 00:26:59,940 Okay? Mm -hmm. 402 00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:03,000 I think the alarm's going off in the house. I don't know why. 403 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,160 But we're going to fix it in a minute. We're in live television. So we're going 404 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,920 to go to break. These things happen. We'll be right back. Okay. 405 00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:17,050 What was I thinking? You want to know what I was thinking? What the hell was 406 00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:18,050 that? 407 00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:23,050 I don't know what that was or why that happened in a live interview. 408 00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:26,430 I think it was a smoke detector or something had gone off. 409 00:27:27,050 --> 00:27:28,050 It's crazy. 410 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:34,130 Well, first of all, what I knew was you can't continue talking in this 411 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:37,210 interview. You can't continue the conversation with both of us now 412 00:27:37,210 --> 00:27:39,590 that this alarm isn't going off in the house. 413 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,040 We've got to do something and hope whatever it is, we can fix it in two and 414 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,980 half minutes, in a two and a half minute break. 415 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:50,380 I think the F word was probably said a few times by the director. 416 00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:52,940 I think that might have happened. 417 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,720 I heard a couple of those over the loudspeaker. 418 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,860 Yeah. Do you go out? Do you date? 419 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:02,300 Yes. 420 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,720 Who do you date? 421 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:06,520 Well, right now it's Brooke Shields. 422 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:08,180 Mm -hmm. 423 00:28:09,139 --> 00:28:12,200 Well, we try not to just be everywhere and go everywhere. 424 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,640 It's mostly at home. She'll come over, I'll go to her house, because I don't 425 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,000 like going out in the public. 426 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:19,980 I mean, there was this sort of mystery about him. 427 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:24,200 You know, at the same time he's holding his crotch and wants to rock with us all 428 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,200 night, we don't know, you know, who's he rocking with. That's really what you 429 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,560 want to know, who's rocking with you when you're a rock with me. 430 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,220 Have you ever been in love? 431 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,860 Yeah. Mm -hmm. 432 00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:42,150 With Brooke shield yes and another girl and another girl I'm going to ask you 433 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:44,870 this and it's embarrassing for me to ask you this, but I'm going to ask you 434 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:45,870 anyway. Are you a virgin? 435 00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:48,310 How could you? 436 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:52,310 I'm just I just want to know I want it. I'm a gentleman. 437 00:28:52,790 --> 00:28:59,160 You're a gentleman. I'm a gentleman So I'm a gentleman so that okay I would 438 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:05,140 interpret that to mean that means that you believe that a lady is a lady, and 439 00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:06,740 therefore... That's something that's private. 440 00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:09,840 I mean, you know, it shouldn't be spoken about openly. 441 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,820 You can call me old -fashioned if you want, but, you know, to me that's very 442 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:18,300 personal. So you're not going to answer it? I'm embarrassed. 443 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:24,320 So you're not going to answer it? Well, we would like to know whether or not... 444 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:30,060 there is a possibility that you are going to marry one day and have 445 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,340 I would feel that my life is incomplete if I do not, because I adore the family 446 00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:39,940 life. I adore children, and I adore that whole thing. 447 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:44,680 And I would love to. That's one of my dreams, but I couldn't right now because 448 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,479 I'm married. 449 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,280 I am married, but to my work. 450 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,920 Coming up, what happened when Elizabeth Taylor dropped by? 451 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:06,240 I'm looking at this whole interview cringing. First of all, let's get over 452 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:12,160 hair. But mine, and my voice, I don't know where my voice is. It feels like 453 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:18,380 in my mouth instead of in my diaphragm. So there's a level of nervousness there 454 00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:24,700 that I sense in myself that I really thought that I'd overcome after Michael 455 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:29,480 down. But I can see that I'm truly, I'm not really fully in my body in this 456 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,480 interview. 457 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:34,180 and perhaps maybe a little more preparation would have helped me. 458 00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:38,880 You know what I mean? Because I really am flying by the seat of my pantyhose 459 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,460 from one segment to the next. 460 00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:46,140 I heard, too, this was another one of those rumors, that you had proposed to 461 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:47,300 Elizabeth Taylor at some point. 462 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:52,660 Elizabeth Taylor is gorgeous, beautiful, and she still is today. 463 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,720 Yeah. And I'm crazy about her. Yeah, but did you propose to her? 464 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,300 I would like to have. 465 00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:58,540 Yeah. 466 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,800 Elizabeth Taylor is here. Liz, can we bring Liz in now? 467 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,820 Liz had said that she wanted to be here to hold your hand through this. You 468 00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:07,340 don't look like you need your hand now. Hi, Elizabeth. Elizabeth Taylor. 469 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:08,980 Hello. Hi. 470 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:13,000 Hi. Have a seat. Have a seat. Thank you. Did Michael ever propose to you? 471 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:14,420 No. 472 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,640 And I never proposed to him. Never did. 473 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,080 What do you think is most misunderstood about Michael Jackson, Liz? 474 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,680 All the things you mentioned. 475 00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:32,850 He is the least weird man I've ever known. He is highly intelligent, 476 00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:38,890 shrewd, intuitive, 477 00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:46,450 understanding, sympathetic, generous, to 478 00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:48,230 almost a fault of himself. 479 00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:53,510 And he just... 480 00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:00,820 If he has any eccentricities, it's that he is larger 481 00:32:00,820 --> 00:32:05,940 than life, and some people just can't accept that or face it or understand it. 482 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:12,960 His talent on stage, why I call him the king of pop, rock, soul, 483 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,680 music, entertainment, whatever, there's nobody that can come near him. Nobody 484 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,160 can dance like that, write the lyrics like that, the music. 485 00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:27,230 caused the kind of excitement he does. 486 00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:30,930 And why do you think you all are such friends? What has brought this kind of 487 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:33,390 bond? Because people try to make this be weird. 488 00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:39,270 Well, it's not. I mean, our childhoods are very similar. 489 00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:43,570 And we have that from the very beginning in common. 490 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:49,570 I was a child star at nine, had an abusive father. 491 00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:55,810 That kind of brought us close together in the very beginning. 492 00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:59,890 And what is it, I'm going to ask Michael this question later on, but what is it 493 00:32:59,890 --> 00:33:01,990 you most want the world to know about him? 494 00:33:03,450 --> 00:33:10,270 What a wonderful, giving, caring, generous man he is and how good he 495 00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:11,730 is. And he's funny too. 496 00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:13,470 Oh, he's wildly funny. 497 00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:16,090 He can crack some jokes, I tell you. Yeah. 498 00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:17,750 It's kind of crazy, wasn't it? 499 00:33:18,270 --> 00:33:21,390 As I look at that now, I'm thinking, well, if we knew she was coming in, why 500 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:22,390 didn't we have a chair for Michael? 501 00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:27,110 But, you know, I, you know, for the first time really 502 00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:32,470 understood or had like a 503 00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:39,150 glimpse of that childhood movie star experience in a way that I 504 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:42,330 hadn't. And I understood their bond. And I didn't think it was weird at all. 505 00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:46,410 And prior to that, you know, all the stories had been, what are they doing 506 00:33:46,410 --> 00:33:52,970 what's this about? But I understood it and I felt her affection and love for 507 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:59,130 and him for her because they had this shared experience that only children who 508 00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:03,270 have grown up in that kind of environment where they've had to grow 509 00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:06,090 you know, truly understand. So I really got that. 510 00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:08,770 I hope the rest of the world got that too. I got it. 511 00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:13,070 Coming up. Okay, I want to see you dance. I want to see you dance. 512 00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:15,790 Michael Jackson and our moonwalk moment. 513 00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:32,790 And here we are inside the theater. I had one too many sugar babies here the 514 00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:34,770 other day at the candy counter. 515 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:41,830 I went on the tour. I was in the craft room and the candy room and 516 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:48,290 the ice cream store and all of that. And actually, my 517 00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:55,290 makeup artist at the time, Reggie Wells, ate so much 518 00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:59,690 cotton candy and ice cream and junk. 519 00:34:59,950 --> 00:35:04,470 He had to be hospitalized that night. 520 00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:09,810 I am not kidding because I think, well, this is what happened to happen to 521 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:14,670 children who come. You can't stop yourself. And so you're eating all the 522 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:17,730 and then you me moving on from fudge and you're going to the cotton candy and 523 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:21,210 then you're in the ice cream place and then you just can't stop yourself. And 524 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:24,970 then there is a hot dog stand and then there's so much like if you're a kid, 525 00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:31,090 it's just like, oh, my goodness. I have just opened the doors to Neverland. 526 00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:34,240 Really? Where did the moonwalk come from, actually? 527 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:39,700 Well, the moonwalk came from these beautiful children, these black kids who 528 00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:43,420 in the ghettos, and, you know, the inner cities, who are brilliant. They just 529 00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:46,680 have that natural talent for dancing. Any of the new hot dancers, the running 530 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,160 man, any of these dancers, they come up with these dances. All I did was enhance 531 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,080 the dance. Okay, I want to see you dance. I want to see you dance. 532 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,058 No, no. 533 00:35:55,060 --> 00:35:56,300 I want to see you dance live. 534 00:35:56,580 --> 00:36:00,720 No, I can show you a step or two, but I'm a little rusty right now. A little 535 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:01,720 rusty. 536 00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:12,680 That's the move. Did you catch it from the sideways? 537 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,040 Got to turn sideways? 538 00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,420 Are you from the front? Yeah. We got you. From the sideways. 539 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:20,980 Okay, just show me slow motion. Could you show me slow motion? 540 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:23,780 Wait. 541 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:33,400 It's like it's pushing and then there's 542 00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:36,930 It's mainly like a popping type of thing. 543 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:39,950 Well, I saw it live. 544 00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:42,350 I saw it live. I saw it live. 545 00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:47,190 We're in his theater there on the Neverland Ranch. 546 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:53,110 And that was really kind of a little thrill to get to see Michael Jackson do 547 00:36:53,110 --> 00:36:55,310 that because we all remember. Do not we all? 548 00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:58,110 We all remember when we first saw. 549 00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:05,140 The Suzanne DePass produced Motown 25 special and Michael Jackson. You know, 550 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:08,880 there are seminal moments in our life, and that's one of them. Where were you 551 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,240 when Michael Jackson first moonwalked on the Motown 25? 552 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,700 Yeah, everybody. Everybody knows that moment. And so to be able to see him do 553 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:23,460 that live and experience that, that was 554 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:25,560 a little thriller for me. 555 00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:29,170 We'll be right back with some final thoughts. 556 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,240 So when you're standing there and there's a sea of people responding to 557 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160 screaming your name as they were, what does that feel like? 558 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,580 Love. You feel lots of love. And I feel blessed and honored to be able to be an 559 00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:33,520 instrument of nature that was chosen to give them that. When I give them, I'm 560 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,860 very honored and happy about that. An instrument of nature. That's an 561 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:39,200 interesting way to describe yourself. 562 00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:40,460 Thank you. Yeah. 563 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:42,400 Are you very spiritual? 564 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:44,420 In what sense? 565 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,480 I mean, do you meditate? 566 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,220 Do you understand that there's something bigger than yourself at work here? I 567 00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:52,320 believe in God, absolutely. 568 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,200 Absolutely. 569 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,800 Very much. 570 00:38:56,380 --> 00:39:00,960 And I believe everybody comes to the world for a reason, I think. 571 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,160 Most of us spend our lives trying to figure out what the purpose of our being 572 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,040 here is. What do you think yours is? 573 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:09,500 My purpose? 574 00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:12,060 Oh, boy. I think... 575 00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:18,810 To give in the best way I can through song and through dance and through music 576 00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:23,850 mean I am committed to my art I believe that all art has as its ultimate goal 577 00:39:23,850 --> 00:39:28,990 the union between the material and the spiritual the human and the divine I 578 00:39:28,990 --> 00:39:34,610 believe that to be the reason for the very existence of art and I feel I was 579 00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:40,730 chosen as an instrument to just give music and love and harmony to the world 580 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,360 What do you want the world to know about you most? I ask Liz that of you. What 581 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,220 do you want them to know? Like to be remembered for? 582 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,600 Well, not to be remembered for. What about known for now? 583 00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:49,860 Forget remembered. 584 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,840 Oh, known for now as to be an artist, a great artist. I love what I do, and I 585 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,340 would love people to love what I do. And to be loved, I just simply want to be 586 00:39:58,340 --> 00:39:59,600 loved wherever I go. 587 00:40:01,180 --> 00:40:07,080 And obviously, if I had known that we'd be sitting here, 588 00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:12,480 Talking about the memory of Michael Jackson, I would have let him finish 589 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,060 wanted to be remembered for. 590 00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:20,300 You know, now that I watch this, I see how profoundly lonely he was. 591 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:27,260 And at the time, I was probably more caught up in the, oh, we got the Michael 592 00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:28,260 Jackson interview. 593 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:35,480 And I heard it and sensed it, but I didn't really feel how profoundly 594 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,480 lonely. 595 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:38,130 He was. 596 00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:39,490 And sad. 597 00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:41,290 There's a sadness about it. 598 00:40:42,070 --> 00:40:48,150 And, you know, had I reached out to him, I'm certainly not saying, oh, my God, 599 00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:53,290 you know, if I had been a friend of Michael Jackson, things might have been 600 00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:56,650 different. But, you know, I just might have felt better about this particular 601 00:40:56,650 --> 00:41:00,910 moment that I'm having right now. Because I didn't. I didn't. I let the 602 00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:02,550 interview be done, and that was it. 603 00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:09,100 What I would remember about Michael the most is that he was a person who was 604 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,120 passionate about life. 605 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,400 He was really passionate about his work. 606 00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:21,580 But just like everybody else, I never imagined this day coming too soon. 607 00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:29,240 And really felt that song at his funeral was really the greatest 608 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,420 part of the eulogy. 609 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:34,670 Gone too soon.