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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,602 --> 00:00:10,542 ? 2 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:12,077 The leader of an alleged sex cult 3 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:13,946 Has been arrested in mexico. 4 00:00:14,048 --> 00:00:16,348 He's charged with federal sex trafficking. 5 00:00:16,450 --> 00:00:19,084 Green: A so-called self-help guru allegedly coerced women 6 00:00:19,186 --> 00:00:20,319 Into having sex with him 7 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:24,890 And also branded them as part of an initiation ceremony. 8 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:30,629 Narrator: The rise and fall of keith raniere and nxivm 9 00:00:30,731 --> 00:00:33,999 Is one of the most disturbing scandals of our age. 10 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:38,170 What began as a purported self-help group 11 00:00:38,272 --> 00:00:41,707 Spiraled into a dark, secretive pit of illicit sex, 12 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:44,410 Money laundering, and exploitation. 13 00:00:44,512 --> 00:00:50,182 He wanted to impose his will on people and control people. 14 00:00:50,284 --> 00:00:53,952 He mandated this torturing of women. 15 00:00:54,055 --> 00:00:56,789 He branded them. He scarred them for life. 16 00:00:56,891 --> 00:00:59,258 And I think he took pleasure in that. 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,862 Sometimes desperate situations require desperate measures. 18 00:01:03,964 --> 00:01:06,732 Narrator: After decades ruling a criminal enterprise, 19 00:01:06,834 --> 00:01:07,933 Raniere never thought 20 00:01:08,035 --> 00:01:10,969 A whistle-blower could bring him down. 21 00:01:11,072 --> 00:01:13,472 But frank parlato did just that. 22 00:01:13,574 --> 00:01:17,509 And he's not finished exposing raniere's misdeeds. 23 00:01:17,611 --> 00:01:19,745 Parlato has unique access to victims 24 00:01:19,847 --> 00:01:21,213 And former nxivm members 25 00:01:21,315 --> 00:01:24,383 Who are in charge of hiding the cult's activities, 26 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:27,986 Some of whom have never spoken before. 27 00:01:28,089 --> 00:01:29,988 Now, parlato will shed light 28 00:01:30,124 --> 00:01:35,060 On possibly the darkest nxivm secret of all -- 29 00:01:35,162 --> 00:01:37,463 The deaths of four women. 30 00:01:37,565 --> 00:01:45,771 ? 31 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:54,213 ? 32 00:01:54,315 --> 00:02:02,654 ? 33 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:05,691 -- Captions by vitac -- www.Vitac.Com 34 00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:08,694 Captions paid for by discovery communications 35 00:02:08,796 --> 00:02:16,301 ? 36 00:02:16,403 --> 00:02:20,072 [ cellphone rings ] 37 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:25,310 Hello? 38 00:02:25,412 --> 00:02:27,513 Yeah, her family never knew what happened to her. 39 00:02:27,615 --> 00:02:29,047 But we're going to find out. 40 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:38,757 ? 41 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:48,967 ? 42 00:02:49,069 --> 00:02:55,107 My name is frank parlato, and I'm an investigative journalist. 43 00:02:55,209 --> 00:02:58,644 In 2007 I worked for nxivm for six months. 44 00:02:58,746 --> 00:03:02,881 One of my jobs was to refurbish their image 45 00:03:02,983 --> 00:03:05,817 As a legitimate self-help group. 46 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:10,122 At one time, he was hired as nxivm's publicist. 47 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:12,824 Nxivm turned around and came after frank, 48 00:03:12,927 --> 00:03:16,628 And he became a target like many others within nxivm. 49 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:18,864 Parlato: I was abruptly fired when I began to look into 50 00:03:18,966 --> 00:03:21,333 What happened to some missing money. 51 00:03:21,435 --> 00:03:25,904 The total was a little bit more than $90 million. 52 00:03:26,006 --> 00:03:28,607 I suspected that keith raniere had embezzled the money. 53 00:03:32,179 --> 00:03:34,046 Raniere wanted to destroy me. 54 00:03:34,148 --> 00:03:35,881 It was either me or him. 55 00:03:35,983 --> 00:03:38,717 So I became a journalist. 56 00:03:38,819 --> 00:03:42,187 My goal was to expose nxivm. 57 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:45,857 On June 5, 2017, I broke the story 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,293 That nxivm was branding women 59 00:03:48,395 --> 00:03:51,263 Under the direction of keith raniere. 60 00:03:51,365 --> 00:03:57,769 ? 61 00:03:57,871 --> 00:04:04,309 ? 62 00:04:04,411 --> 00:04:06,311 My current investigation leads me to believe 63 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:09,448 That raniere could be responsible for the deaths 64 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:12,317 Of kristin snyder, gina hutchinson, 65 00:04:12,419 --> 00:04:14,853 Barbara jeske, and pam cafritz. 66 00:04:14,955 --> 00:04:25,397 ? 67 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:35,674 ? 68 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:39,511 -Whoa, that was an alpine turn. -That was a beautiful turn. 69 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,813 Snyder: See, I can -- uh-oh. 70 00:04:41,915 --> 00:04:48,487 ? 71 00:04:48,589 --> 00:04:51,923 Narrator: In 1999, 31-year-old kristin snyder 72 00:04:52,026 --> 00:04:54,693 Moved from kentucky to alaska. 73 00:04:54,795 --> 00:04:58,397 She was pursuing a career as an environmental consultant. 74 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:00,632 By all accounts she was a happy, well-respected 75 00:05:00,734 --> 00:05:02,934 Member of her community. 76 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:04,536 Snyder was ambitious. 77 00:05:04,638 --> 00:05:07,239 She wanted to improve herself and her career. 78 00:05:07,341 --> 00:05:10,642 That's when she discovered executive success programs, 79 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:12,444 Also known as esp. 80 00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:18,483 ? 81 00:05:18,585 --> 00:05:20,419 Frank parlato is in anchorage, alaska, 82 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:22,220 To examine the mysterious details 83 00:05:22,323 --> 00:05:24,856 Surrounding the disappearance of kristin snyder. 84 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:32,764 ? 85 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:40,706 ? 86 00:05:40,808 --> 00:05:42,474 Parlato has arranged to get a copy 87 00:05:42,576 --> 00:05:44,176 Of kristin snyder's police report 88 00:05:44,278 --> 00:05:46,745 From the anchorage police department. 89 00:05:49,383 --> 00:05:52,017 On February 7, 2003, 90 00:05:52,119 --> 00:05:56,154 They opened a missing-persons case on snyder. 91 00:05:56,256 --> 00:05:58,690 She was last seen at a local hotel 92 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:01,593 Where she was attending a self-help seminar. 93 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:05,430 Witnesses stated that snyder was forcibly removed from the class 94 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:08,233 Because she was acting erratically. 95 00:06:08,335 --> 00:06:11,069 When she did not arrive home later that night, 96 00:06:11,171 --> 00:06:14,272 Her wife, heidi clifford, reported her missing. 97 00:06:16,443 --> 00:06:20,112 Kristin's pickup truck was found two days later in seward, 98 00:06:20,214 --> 00:06:22,214 A 2-1/2-hour drive from anchorage, 99 00:06:22,316 --> 00:06:24,549 At the edge of resurrection bay. 100 00:06:26,487 --> 00:06:29,621 A letter inside the truck indicated that snyder 101 00:06:29,723 --> 00:06:32,858 Was planning to commit suicide. 102 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,793 And on a separate sheet of paper, 103 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:38,029 A note said, "no need to search for my body." 104 00:06:38,132 --> 00:06:40,565 ? 105 00:06:40,667 --> 00:06:42,734 [ sighs ] 106 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:48,039 ? 107 00:06:48,142 --> 00:06:49,708 I'm going to meet alan nickell. 108 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:52,811 He's an officer with the seward police department. 109 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:55,313 He was there on patrol the night she was missing 110 00:06:55,416 --> 00:06:57,749 And he was looking for her. 111 00:07:00,454 --> 00:07:03,288 Nickell: We responded out here, we looked around. 112 00:07:03,424 --> 00:07:05,957 It was just incredibly foggy that night. 113 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:09,928 We could hardly see right off the hood of the car. 114 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:13,498 Found her car out here. 115 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,967 Never found the body. 116 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:19,905 They never found her body? No. 117 00:07:20,007 --> 00:07:23,842 On the morning of the 8th -- she disappeared on the 6th -- 118 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:28,146 The millers of miller's landing resort discovered a storage shed 119 00:07:28,248 --> 00:07:33,084 Had been broken into and an old kayak was missing. 120 00:07:33,187 --> 00:07:36,855 The storage was close to where the vehicle was located. 121 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:39,191 The theory would be, right, that she broke in, 122 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:41,860 Had a choice of kayaks, and she took one. 123 00:07:41,962 --> 00:07:43,128 Yeah. 124 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:47,365 Paddled out on resurrection bay, deliberately capsized. 125 00:07:47,468 --> 00:07:49,034 There's nothing in this that even says 126 00:07:49,136 --> 00:07:51,670 That she actually left in the kayak. 127 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,905 Is it fair to say it's also hypothetical 128 00:07:54,007 --> 00:07:56,374 That she committed suicide here? 129 00:07:56,477 --> 00:07:59,010 It is, yeah. Because it's unsolved. 130 00:07:59,112 --> 00:08:00,846 We don't know what happened to her. 131 00:08:05,419 --> 00:08:08,019 We're going to have to get down 132 00:08:08,121 --> 00:08:12,023 And do our own street-level investigation. 133 00:08:12,125 --> 00:08:14,559 So I'm going to go through this police report 134 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:17,162 And I'm going to call everybody on it. 135 00:08:17,264 --> 00:08:20,198 I'm going to try for this guy, kenny powers. 136 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:23,201 He's a friend of kristin snyder. 137 00:08:23,303 --> 00:08:25,103 This is kenny. Hey, kenny, 138 00:08:25,205 --> 00:08:26,505 Frank parlato calling. 139 00:08:26,607 --> 00:08:28,406 How are you? Good. 140 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:34,112 I'm here in anchorage to try to ascertain a few details 141 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:36,548 About kristin marie snyder. 142 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:39,317 I was hoping I could talk with you. 143 00:08:39,419 --> 00:08:41,219 Certainly. Thank you, sir. 144 00:08:41,321 --> 00:08:47,058 ? 145 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,728 Powers: I was the director of the ski patrol. 146 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:51,630 Kristin, she expressed a lot of interest 147 00:08:51,732 --> 00:08:54,833 In search and rescue. So I was grooming her, 148 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:58,303 If you will, to be the next search and rescue leader. 149 00:08:58,405 --> 00:09:01,172 Kris was a great person. 150 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:03,975 Super nice. Smart. 151 00:09:04,077 --> 00:09:05,911 She's a very close friend of mine. 152 00:09:06,013 --> 00:09:09,915 She was a stable person. 153 00:09:10,017 --> 00:09:14,052 This was so unbelievably out of the ordinary 154 00:09:14,154 --> 00:09:16,421 In terms of behavior for her. 155 00:09:16,557 --> 00:09:19,925 What happened the day that she was last seen? 156 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:23,361 Heidi called me that afternoon and said 157 00:09:23,463 --> 00:09:27,632 Kris walked out of the esp seminar this afternoon, 158 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:31,836 Said something scary-ish, and left. 159 00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:36,141 And heidi had not chased after at the time, 160 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:40,445 But when she got home a couple of hours later, 161 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:42,781 Kris was gone. 162 00:09:42,883 --> 00:09:44,983 The ski patrol, which is a rescue organization 163 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:48,153 Is like, "we go to find kris." 164 00:09:48,255 --> 00:09:50,455 30 nordic ski patrollers out there looking 165 00:09:50,557 --> 00:09:52,457 On top of the alaska state troopers 166 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,194 And the anchorage police department. 167 00:09:56,296 --> 00:10:01,132 There's a coast guard cutter, helicopters in the air. 168 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:04,135 Hundreds of people looking for kris. 169 00:10:06,540 --> 00:10:09,708 It was like a police officer gets shot and the call goes out, 170 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:12,544 You know, "police officer down." 171 00:10:12,646 --> 00:10:17,115 And you don't get one police car that shows up, you get 20. 172 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:19,451 And it was like that with kris. 173 00:10:22,823 --> 00:10:25,557 [ exhales sharply ] 174 00:10:25,659 --> 00:10:28,426 [voice breaking] she's one of us. 175 00:10:28,528 --> 00:10:30,228 And we tried to find her. 176 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:37,202 ? 177 00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:41,072 Narrator: By 2003, nxivm training centers for esp, 178 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:43,775 The executive success program, had been established 179 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:47,012 Throughout the united states, including alaska. 180 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:49,214 The courses attracted thousands of members 181 00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:52,484 Who paid $7,000 each for an intensive 182 00:10:52,586 --> 00:10:56,421 16-day self-development workshop. 183 00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:59,524 Why would kristin snyder, a successful professional 184 00:10:59,626 --> 00:11:02,227 Who had invested so much financially, 185 00:11:02,329 --> 00:11:05,697 Suddenly leave the nxivm class. 186 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:10,435 Snyder took her first nxivm course in November of 2002. 187 00:11:10,537 --> 00:11:13,571 Three months later, snyder was already in the middle 188 00:11:13,674 --> 00:11:17,008 Of her second 16-day course. 189 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:20,712 On the 10th day of training, she was asked to leave 190 00:11:20,814 --> 00:11:22,881 And never seen again. 191 00:11:22,983 --> 00:11:29,554 ? 192 00:11:29,656 --> 00:11:36,061 ? 193 00:11:58,719 --> 00:12:04,222 ? 194 00:12:04,324 --> 00:12:06,357 It's such a bizarre story. It doesn't -- 195 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:11,563 Well, so many components of it sound so unreal, you know? 196 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:15,333 The details following the disappearance are strange. 197 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:21,573 So there's a lot of questions and not a lot of answers. 198 00:12:21,675 --> 00:12:26,511 I never talked about it at all until today. 199 00:12:26,613 --> 00:12:32,984 ? 200 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:44,996 ? 201 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:47,332 Narrator: Kristin snyder was 35 years old 202 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:51,569 When she disappeared in February of 2003. 203 00:12:51,671 --> 00:12:54,139 Her abandoned truck was discovered at the edge 204 00:12:54,241 --> 00:12:56,174 Of resurrection bay, alaska, 205 00:12:56,276 --> 00:13:00,178 With what appeared to be a suicide note inside. 206 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,946 Before she vanished, 207 00:13:02,048 --> 00:13:04,215 Snyder was taking a self-help course 208 00:13:04,317 --> 00:13:06,484 Called executive success program, 209 00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:08,520 Or esp. 210 00:13:08,622 --> 00:13:11,489 Later it would be known simply as nxivm. 211 00:13:13,593 --> 00:13:17,128 A friend of snyder's who was taking the same course 212 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:20,031 Has agreed to tell us what she knows. 213 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:21,766 Out of fear of retaliation 214 00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:25,336 By followers of nxivm leader, keith raniere, 215 00:13:25,438 --> 00:13:29,574 She's requested that we conceal her identity. 216 00:13:29,676 --> 00:13:34,979 Woman: Kristin took the class in November of 2002. 217 00:13:35,081 --> 00:13:38,449 For her to do this was, like, a huge undertaking for her 218 00:13:38,552 --> 00:13:43,922 To spend $10,000, $12,000 for the first class. 219 00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:47,725 When kristin brought me in, it was very intense. 220 00:13:47,828 --> 00:13:51,896 And you're with 15 strangers that you didn't know at all. 221 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:54,699 And then, within a day 222 00:13:54,801 --> 00:13:57,869 You're divulging your deepest, darkest secrets. 223 00:13:57,971 --> 00:14:04,142 Kris started shipping out, being quite vocal, quite distressed, 224 00:14:04,244 --> 00:14:06,945 And so I went to the leader of the class 225 00:14:07,047 --> 00:14:08,680 And said, "I'm going to bring her 226 00:14:08,782 --> 00:14:11,749 To the alaska psychiatric institute." 227 00:14:11,852 --> 00:14:14,285 I was there trying to support her, 228 00:14:14,387 --> 00:14:15,887 And they would separate us intentionally. 229 00:14:15,989 --> 00:14:20,892 They would completely separate her having support from me. 230 00:14:20,994 --> 00:14:23,294 Whoever would be watching intently, 231 00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:26,231 They were just making sure that we were not together. 232 00:14:26,333 --> 00:14:29,634 I can't even remember anybody's name in that class. 233 00:14:29,736 --> 00:14:32,203 They just kept pulling her out of the room. 234 00:14:35,008 --> 00:14:39,611 ? 235 00:14:39,713 --> 00:14:42,680 This is the copy of the suicide note. 236 00:14:42,782 --> 00:14:45,884 "I attended a course called executive success programs 237 00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:48,119 (aka nxivm) 238 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:51,756 Based out of anchorage, alaska, and albany, new york. 239 00:14:51,858 --> 00:14:53,791 I was brainwashed and my emotional center 240 00:14:53,894 --> 00:14:57,195 Of the brain was killed and turned off. 241 00:14:57,297 --> 00:15:00,331 I still have feeling in my external skin 242 00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:03,801 But my internal organs are rotting. 243 00:15:03,904 --> 00:15:05,436 I'm sorry life, 244 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:08,172 I didn't know I was already dead. 245 00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:11,409 No need to search my body." 246 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:17,148 Was this potential suicide letter in kris's car coerced? 247 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:20,385 Was it her willingly writing it? 248 00:15:20,487 --> 00:15:22,186 You don't know. 249 00:15:22,289 --> 00:15:26,157 ? 250 00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:29,193 Raniere: But when I look at what's going on in the world, 251 00:15:29,296 --> 00:15:33,631 Seriously I feel it's not right and something needs to be done. 252 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:35,967 Someone has to do something. 253 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:38,436 And if you want to take the next step, you'll need 254 00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:41,139 To take the initiative and sign up now 255 00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:45,143 To attend one of our introductory weekends. 256 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:48,012 Lalich: Thousands of people took those courses. 257 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:51,082 They really believed they were creating a better world. 258 00:15:51,184 --> 00:15:54,118 They were doing all of this out of the best intent. 259 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:56,354 And some of the people who took courses 260 00:15:56,456 --> 00:15:57,989 Maybe got something out of it. 261 00:15:58,091 --> 00:16:00,291 You like to think about justice. 262 00:16:00,393 --> 00:16:03,428 But justice is something we earn. 263 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:06,965 They thought of themselves as humanitarians 264 00:16:07,067 --> 00:16:10,868 And so they were doing all of this out of the best intent. 265 00:16:12,472 --> 00:16:15,673 Rosales: Keith raniere's students were largely educated, you know, 266 00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:19,243 They had jobs, they had decent careers, families. 267 00:16:19,346 --> 00:16:21,245 But they wanted to improve themselves. 268 00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:22,280 So what you're going to see 269 00:16:22,382 --> 00:16:24,849 Is how the anger covers the fear. 270 00:16:24,951 --> 00:16:28,386 Ucci: I really loved self-development workshops, schools, programs, 271 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:31,756 I love that kind of an exploration. 272 00:16:31,858 --> 00:16:34,492 Rosales: The classes would be $2,000 or $3,000. 273 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:36,394 Some members were in debt, you know, 274 00:16:36,496 --> 00:16:38,363 $200,000, $300,000. 275 00:16:38,465 --> 00:16:40,498 Lyons: The courses themselves seemed to be built 276 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,767 Like a pyramid scheme. 277 00:16:42,869 --> 00:16:44,635 Where, "oh, that's great. You finished that training, 278 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:46,537 But now you need this training, you need more, 279 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,673 You need more, you need more." 280 00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:51,876 Glazer: In many cases, some of these young students, 281 00:16:51,978 --> 00:16:53,244 They were going to lose all their money, 282 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:54,679 They were going to go into debt. 283 00:16:54,781 --> 00:16:56,080 They were going to become trapped. 284 00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:58,816 They were going to be forced into servitude. 285 00:16:58,918 --> 00:16:59,984 They were stuck. 286 00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:05,823 ? 287 00:17:05,925 --> 00:17:11,429 ? 288 00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:13,898 Parlato: There was a search here. 289 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,168 Two days after she disappeared. 290 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:20,238 It seems to me that it's not very likely 291 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:24,742 That there would not have been a trace of kristin snyder. 292 00:17:24,844 --> 00:17:28,212 I don't know what the usual result of these searches are. 293 00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:29,580 I need to find out. 294 00:17:29,682 --> 00:17:33,117 ? 295 00:17:33,219 --> 00:17:35,753 Parlato: How long have you been harbormaster? 296 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:38,456 Regis: I've been harbormaster since 2014. 297 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:40,458 I've been with the harbor since '94. 298 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,594 Well, it seems you've had some history with this water, right? 299 00:17:43,696 --> 00:17:45,630 Yeah. 300 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,765 "no need. To search for my body." 301 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:51,769 A search was conducted and her body was not found. 302 00:17:51,871 --> 00:17:54,038 And that's why we're looking into this. 303 00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:57,141 You're fairly familiar with the waters of resurrection bay. 304 00:17:57,243 --> 00:18:00,144 Yes, I am. Yes. 305 00:18:00,246 --> 00:18:02,180 And fairly familiar with what happens 306 00:18:02,282 --> 00:18:06,084 Evidently to bodies when they drown. 307 00:18:06,186 --> 00:18:08,553 Pulled a few bodies out of the water 308 00:18:08,655 --> 00:18:10,288 Since I have been working for the city. 309 00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:12,156 And how many would you say you've searched for? 310 00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:13,791 I believe 16. 311 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,993 What's been your success rate? 312 00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:17,929 So we found everyone. 313 00:18:18,031 --> 00:18:19,997 I would say 100%. 314 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:23,734 Man: Harbormaster, seward harbormaster. 315 00:18:23,837 --> 00:18:25,770 You've always found the bodies. 316 00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:29,006 Kristin snyder is the only body that hasn't been found. 317 00:18:29,109 --> 00:18:30,808 Correct. 318 00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:36,414 ? 319 00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:38,783 Narrator: In order to get a better sense of the area, 320 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:40,651 Frank parlato has enlisted the help 321 00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:43,621 Of a local helicopter pilot, a kayak expert, 322 00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:46,958 And the owners of miller's landing. 323 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:48,659 We are right here. 324 00:18:48,761 --> 00:18:52,597 This is seward and this is resurrection bay. 325 00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:54,098 So the coastline here 326 00:18:54,167 --> 00:18:57,869 Is where typically people go kayaking. 327 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:02,306 [ speaking indistinctly over radio ] 328 00:19:02,408 --> 00:19:08,946 ? 329 00:19:09,048 --> 00:19:10,715 So we're approaching another campground here 330 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:12,617 On the right, there's miller's landing right there. 331 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:15,086 That's where the kayak was taken from. 332 00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:19,390 Now, you know this land around here, right, pretty well, 333 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,993 'cause you've been here since the '50s? 334 00:19:22,095 --> 00:19:26,063 Yeah. This girl, kristin, 335 00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:29,967 Her vehicle was found here with a suicide note. 336 00:19:30,069 --> 00:19:32,537 And a kayak was missing from here. 337 00:19:32,639 --> 00:19:35,806 How did you happen to notice that the kayak was missing? 338 00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:38,876 I do remember noticing that the grass where the kayak 339 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:42,180 Had been sitting, it was laying there upside down. 340 00:19:42,282 --> 00:19:45,383 On the edge of the yard, right next to the trees. 341 00:19:45,485 --> 00:19:46,951 It was obvious that it was missing 342 00:19:47,053 --> 00:19:48,853 Because there was snow everywhere else 343 00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:51,689 Except where the kayak had been. 344 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,459 Do you know a bit about kayaks? 345 00:19:55,562 --> 00:19:57,828 Yeah. Not saying that it didn't happen. 346 00:19:57,931 --> 00:20:00,464 I'm just saying I don't -- in my experience, 347 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:01,799 I've been doing this for a long -- 348 00:20:01,901 --> 00:20:03,901 I'm the old guy here in town doing this. 349 00:20:04,003 --> 00:20:06,204 The whole story doesn't make sense to me. 350 00:20:06,306 --> 00:20:09,473 How troubling is the fact that nothing showed up? 351 00:20:09,576 --> 00:20:11,375 How odd is that, do you think from your -- 352 00:20:11,477 --> 00:20:13,911 Extremely odd. Extremely odd. 353 00:20:14,013 --> 00:20:18,583 Something would have eventually showed up in this bay. 354 00:20:18,685 --> 00:20:21,319 Piece of the kayak or a paddle. 355 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:22,787 Where's the paddle at? 356 00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,855 Paddles don't sink, right? They're made not to sink. 357 00:20:24,958 --> 00:20:26,090 You don't want them to sink. 358 00:20:29,062 --> 00:20:32,029 Man: I could be at 2,000 feet and I can see one kayak. 359 00:20:32,131 --> 00:20:35,566 There's no question that if the kayak or even the paddle 360 00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:39,203 Was visible, if it was around here, it could be seen? 361 00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:42,773 At first, when I heard that she committed suicide 362 00:20:42,875 --> 00:20:46,477 My initial reaction was I didn't believe it. 363 00:20:46,579 --> 00:20:48,779 What you can see from here, this is why 364 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:50,748 I really needed to get up there. 365 00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:54,118 If there was a body visible they would have seen it. 366 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:59,390 ? 367 00:20:59,492 --> 00:21:03,294 Narrator: It's possible that kristin snyder committed suicide. 368 00:21:03,396 --> 00:21:06,564 But after parlato's investigation in alaska, 369 00:21:06,666 --> 00:21:08,766 He questions whether she ended her life 370 00:21:08,868 --> 00:21:10,935 In resurrection bay. 371 00:21:11,037 --> 00:21:13,037 Some local testimonies claim 372 00:21:13,139 --> 00:21:16,040 That if snyder had killed herself in those waters 373 00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:18,242 She would have left a trace. 374 00:21:18,344 --> 00:21:21,912 They would have found the kayak or the paddle. 375 00:21:22,015 --> 00:21:24,382 With dozens of people searching for her, 376 00:21:24,484 --> 00:21:27,551 Someone should have turned up something. 377 00:21:27,654 --> 00:21:31,822 Frank parlato's investigation shifts to motive. 378 00:21:31,924 --> 00:21:35,192 Snyder was last seen alive at a nxivm class. 379 00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:37,628 He believes that those who knew snyder 380 00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:41,065 Through the nxivm courses may know more. 381 00:21:41,167 --> 00:21:47,238 ? 382 00:21:54,013 --> 00:21:58,316 ? 383 00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:01,018 Narrator: Kristin snyder left a nxivm training course 384 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:05,022 In anchorage, alaska, on February 6, 2003, 385 00:22:05,124 --> 00:22:07,692 Never to be seen again. 386 00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:10,928 Friends and colleagues describe snyder as an active, 387 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:13,731 Happy, and prominent member of her community 388 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:16,067 So they find it odd that she would suddenly leave 389 00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:19,503 The nxivm course, make it 2-1/2-hour, 390 00:22:19,605 --> 00:22:24,075 127-mile drive to seward, alaska, and kill herself 391 00:22:24,177 --> 00:22:27,378 By capsizing a kayak in the middle of the night. 392 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,947 The only piece of physical evidence that links 393 00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:34,985 Snyder's death to a suicide is the note found in her truck. 394 00:22:35,088 --> 00:22:39,123 The kayak and her body have never been found. 395 00:22:39,225 --> 00:22:42,827 Equally strange, in January 2003, 396 00:22:42,929 --> 00:22:46,831 Just weeks before kristin snyder disappeared in alaska 397 00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:49,834 She took an unexpected trip to albany, new york, 398 00:22:49,936 --> 00:22:52,503 The headquarters of nxivm. 399 00:22:52,605 --> 00:22:58,809 ? 400 00:22:58,911 --> 00:23:02,012 Parlato: I'm here to meet up with susan dones. 401 00:23:02,115 --> 00:23:04,181 For eight years of her life she was a head trainer 402 00:23:04,283 --> 00:23:07,385 For nxivm in tacoma, washington. 403 00:23:07,487 --> 00:23:10,121 Being a friend of kristin snyder's 404 00:23:10,223 --> 00:23:13,090 And deeply involved in nxivm, 405 00:23:13,192 --> 00:23:15,693 Susan might be able to explain to me 406 00:23:15,795 --> 00:23:18,863 If anyone would want kristin snyder dead. 407 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:25,669 Going back to January 2003. 408 00:23:25,772 --> 00:23:28,773 She was in albany. You absolutely saw her. 409 00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:30,374 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 410 00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:31,742 And we chatted. 411 00:23:31,844 --> 00:23:34,145 She wanted to see the albany center. 412 00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:36,414 Did she seem to you to be happy? 413 00:23:36,516 --> 00:23:38,582 Yeah. 414 00:23:38,684 --> 00:23:41,719 Was she acting at all psychotic, fearful, paranoid, 415 00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:43,621 Crazy, anything? No. 416 00:23:43,723 --> 00:23:46,357 I never saw her that way. 417 00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,192 Did she ever meet keith raniere? 418 00:23:48,294 --> 00:23:50,161 And could she have done that, do you think? 419 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,862 Yeah, absolutely. 420 00:23:51,964 --> 00:23:54,064 My suspicion is, is that 421 00:23:54,167 --> 00:23:58,135 He might have even had sex with her. 422 00:23:58,237 --> 00:24:01,572 The other thing is, is that keith did not 423 00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:03,474 Like women being lesbians. 424 00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:05,342 He did not like women being lesbians? 425 00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:07,678 No. Being gay, period, 426 00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:11,916 Was an act of defiance, especially if you're a woman. 427 00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:15,019 It was an act of defiance, and I think, for him, 428 00:24:15,121 --> 00:24:18,823 Because he treated women as objects, 429 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:24,929 If you're a lesbian then you're not available to him. 430 00:24:25,031 --> 00:24:29,166 So could he possibly try to turn her? 431 00:24:29,268 --> 00:24:32,303 You know, it's kind of like a notch on his belt. 432 00:24:32,405 --> 00:24:34,872 If she was manipulated somehow into having 433 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:37,842 Some kind of sexual relationship with him 434 00:24:37,944 --> 00:24:43,881 We know that this is a guy that will do evil things to women. 435 00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:45,783 Here's a quick side question. 436 00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:48,886 Were you there when you said "I've had people killed"? 437 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:51,755 I wasn't actually there that day, but that's my video. 438 00:24:53,526 --> 00:24:57,428 Narrator: In 2009, susan lent a friend a camera 439 00:24:57,530 --> 00:25:00,898 To record a private conversation in albany, new york, 440 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,203 Between keith raniere and other high-ranking nxivm members. 441 00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:11,509 You have accused, at times, people of ganging up -- 442 00:25:11,611 --> 00:25:13,577 Collaborative ganging up on you. 443 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:15,880 In some ways the company isn't as bad -- 444 00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:18,749 Or it wasn't as bad a situation 445 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:22,887 As you thought it was. Okay. 446 00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:25,322 But I believe that the way this was done 447 00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:27,758 Will destroy the company itself 448 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:31,362 And it did not have to, which is the conundrum. 449 00:25:31,464 --> 00:25:34,331 Here's the thing. 450 00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:36,734 I've been shot at because of my beliefs. 451 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,970 I've had to make choices -- should I have bodyguards, 452 00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:41,672 Should I have them armed or not. 453 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:43,974 Right. 454 00:25:44,076 --> 00:25:47,244 I've had people killed because of my beliefs. 455 00:25:47,346 --> 00:25:58,188 ? 456 00:25:58,291 --> 00:26:00,858 Parlato: Was raniere exaggerating when he claimed 457 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,393 He had people killed? 458 00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:07,998 Or was he somehow involved in kristin snyder's death? 459 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,669 Keith raniere positioned himself as a celibate monk. 460 00:26:11,771 --> 00:26:15,339 He was beginning to attract wealthy followers. 461 00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:17,775 If it got out that he wasn't a celibate monk 462 00:26:17,877 --> 00:26:21,912 And that he was even trying to convert a lesbian 463 00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:24,281 To having sex with him, 464 00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:27,184 This would have imploded his whole operation. 465 00:26:27,286 --> 00:26:35,793 ? 466 00:26:35,895 --> 00:26:38,662 Nxivm routinely hired private investigators 467 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:43,033 To look into anyone who criticized keith raniere. 468 00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:44,935 One of the things I'd like to do -- 469 00:26:45,037 --> 00:26:48,238 There's a guy named joe o'hara, and he was working for nxivm 470 00:26:48,341 --> 00:26:51,542 When they began their internal investigation 471 00:26:51,644 --> 00:26:54,144 Into the disappearance of kristin snyder. 472 00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:57,681 But strangely, nxivm did not begin their investigation 473 00:26:57,783 --> 00:26:59,917 Into the disappearance of kristin snyder 474 00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:03,954 Until one year after she disappeared. 475 00:27:04,056 --> 00:27:05,923 O'hara: He didn't do anything for a year, frank. 476 00:27:06,025 --> 00:27:07,958 It was only when the story came up. 477 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:10,260 That's the other thing that's suspicious. 478 00:27:10,363 --> 00:27:12,863 If he was worried about the fact that 479 00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:17,801 Her suicide was a fake, why not investigate it when it happened? 480 00:27:17,903 --> 00:27:19,303 Why wait a year? 481 00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:22,039 Why wait a year, indeed. Why wait a year? 482 00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:23,874 Why would you wait a year? 483 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:26,744 Because the story hadn't hit the press. 484 00:27:30,249 --> 00:27:32,316 If you want to find out what happened 485 00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:33,984 You investigate as soon as possible 486 00:27:34,086 --> 00:27:34,952 After something like this. 487 00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:36,353 Okay, so that's a really big point. 488 00:27:36,455 --> 00:27:39,623 That's a big point. I mean, another possibility -- 489 00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:42,559 A distinct possibility, she's still alive. 490 00:27:42,695 --> 00:27:45,095 That, you know, 491 00:27:45,197 --> 00:27:46,997 There's no body, there's no proof she's dead. 492 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:51,368 There's never been any way to know that she really is dead. 493 00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:54,438 She could have committed suicide a different way. 494 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:58,308 She could have been an assisted suicide. 495 00:27:58,411 --> 00:28:02,346 We know so much more about raniere in 2019 496 00:28:02,448 --> 00:28:04,915 Than we did in 2005. 497 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:06,850 We've learned a lot more about him. 498 00:28:06,952 --> 00:28:08,485 He's not a monk. He wasn't a monk. 499 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,256 He wasn't a monk and he's capable of 500 00:28:12,358 --> 00:28:15,359 Very harmful behavior. 501 00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:17,761 What would your advice be? Where should I go from here? 502 00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:21,732 So now, you have to go back and look at every story 503 00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:24,201 And reassess it. 504 00:28:24,303 --> 00:28:26,270 Because now we know more about him. 505 00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,006 Did you ever hear the name gina hutchinson? 506 00:28:29,108 --> 00:28:31,909 Yeah. It was another another story 507 00:28:32,011 --> 00:28:35,112 That I heard a little about during the 15 months 508 00:28:35,214 --> 00:28:36,647 I worked there. 509 00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:43,721 ? 510 00:28:43,823 --> 00:28:46,290 Again a suicide. 511 00:28:46,392 --> 00:28:48,459 An unusual suicide. 512 00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:50,394 What was unusual about it? 513 00:28:50,496 --> 00:28:51,929 It's very unusual that women 514 00:28:52,031 --> 00:28:55,899 Use a 20-gauge shotgun to commit suicide. 515 00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:58,802 Narrator: In 2002, 516 00:28:58,904 --> 00:29:01,238 Keith raniere was trying to gain the trust 517 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:03,340 Of sara and clare bronfman -- 518 00:29:03,442 --> 00:29:06,410 Heirs to the seagrams fortune. 519 00:29:06,512 --> 00:29:07,878 During that same time, 520 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:10,147 Gina hutchinson began publicly alleging 521 00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:11,715 That keith raped her 522 00:29:11,817 --> 00:29:14,618 When she was only 14 years old. 523 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,221 ? 524 00:29:17,323 --> 00:29:18,789 Frank believes raniere feared 525 00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:20,758 If sara and clare heard about 526 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,861 The alleged statutory rape of gina hutchinson, 527 00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:27,164 They would not financially invest in his business. 528 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:30,434 ? 529 00:29:30,536 --> 00:29:32,536 In October 2002, 530 00:29:32,638 --> 00:29:34,872 Gina hutchinson's body was found on the grounds 531 00:29:34,974 --> 00:29:36,406 Of a buddhist monastery 532 00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:38,175 In woodstock, new york -- 533 00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:39,910 An hour and a half drive 534 00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:42,913 From nxivm's headquarters in albany. 535 00:29:43,015 --> 00:29:49,753 ? 536 00:29:49,855 --> 00:29:52,990 We're going to the scene 537 00:29:53,092 --> 00:29:57,427 Where gina hutchinson's body was found. 538 00:29:57,530 --> 00:30:00,497 Gina had a spiritual attachment 539 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,633 To this monastery 540 00:30:02,735 --> 00:30:03,901 And to buddhism. 541 00:30:04,003 --> 00:30:07,104 The story goes that gina hutchinson 542 00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:08,906 Bought herself a gun, 543 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:11,875 Went to the property that we're there were about to go to, 544 00:30:11,977 --> 00:30:14,111 And shot herself in the head. 545 00:30:14,246 --> 00:30:20,584 ? 546 00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:27,024 ? 547 00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:29,226 This is the death scene. 548 00:30:29,328 --> 00:30:31,829 17 years ago. 549 00:30:31,931 --> 00:30:37,835 ? 550 00:30:37,937 --> 00:30:38,869 At the time, 551 00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:42,005 Police concluded that it was a suicide, 552 00:30:42,107 --> 00:30:44,508 When, perhaps, it may not have been. 553 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:51,114 ? 554 00:30:51,217 --> 00:30:52,749 Did she bring herself here? 555 00:30:52,852 --> 00:30:54,184 Was this her doing? 556 00:30:54,286 --> 00:31:01,124 ? 557 00:31:01,227 --> 00:31:04,261 Hutchinson: Gina hutchinson, she was my sister. 558 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:05,963 Gina was always special. 559 00:31:06,065 --> 00:31:08,966 She was always super intelligent, 560 00:31:09,068 --> 00:31:10,367 Very sensitive. 561 00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:13,070 She always brought in stray animals 562 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:15,072 And was always very caring 563 00:31:15,174 --> 00:31:17,875 And compassionate. 564 00:31:17,977 --> 00:31:20,978 She was 33 when she died. 565 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,113 It's all very suspicious. 566 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:25,349 She was a very gentle soul. 567 00:31:25,451 --> 00:31:28,785 For her to even be that violent, 568 00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:30,654 To choose a method that violent, 569 00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:32,155 That concerns me. 570 00:31:32,258 --> 00:31:34,124 ? 571 00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:35,792 I met keith 572 00:31:35,895 --> 00:31:37,861 The night that I found him 573 00:31:37,963 --> 00:31:39,529 In bed with gina. 574 00:31:39,632 --> 00:31:41,198 ? 575 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,268 Gina was just a baby. 576 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:47,704 I heard a noise in gina's bedroom. 577 00:31:47,806 --> 00:31:50,474 You know, I went down and opened the door. 578 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:51,909 And remember the christmas lights 579 00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:55,512 From the tree flashing on the -- 580 00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:57,447 The room was kind of dark, 581 00:31:57,549 --> 00:32:00,550 And I see this male figure 582 00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:02,786 Trying to escape out the window. 583 00:32:02,888 --> 00:32:09,059 ? 584 00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:22,239 ? 585 00:32:22,341 --> 00:32:23,907 Narrator: In 1983, 586 00:32:24,009 --> 00:32:26,076 Gina hutchinson was a spiritual 587 00:32:26,178 --> 00:32:27,711 Sensitive teenager. 588 00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:29,112 She met keith raniere 589 00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:30,547 When she was attending eighth grade 590 00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:32,149 In albany, new york, 591 00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:33,383 Where raniere was living 592 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:35,319 And running a marketing business, 593 00:32:35,421 --> 00:32:38,422 The precursor to nxivm. 594 00:32:38,524 --> 00:32:40,424 Not long after they met, 595 00:32:40,526 --> 00:32:42,259 Gina's sister allegedly 596 00:32:42,361 --> 00:32:45,896 Caught raniere climbing out of gina's bedroom window 597 00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:49,132 In the middle of the night. 598 00:32:49,234 --> 00:32:51,435 I don't think when I caught him in bed together 599 00:32:51,537 --> 00:32:54,805 It was even the first time 600 00:32:54,907 --> 00:32:57,207 That they'd had sex. 601 00:32:57,309 --> 00:32:59,977 And I think the first thing she said was, "don't tell mom. 602 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:01,044 Don't tell mom. 603 00:33:01,146 --> 00:33:04,614 Promise, you're not gonna tell mom." 604 00:33:04,717 --> 00:33:07,718 She wasn't quite forthcoming right away. 605 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:09,252 Eventually, she told me 606 00:33:09,355 --> 00:33:11,488 That she was having sex with him. 607 00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:15,025 And that he'd talked her into it. 608 00:33:15,127 --> 00:33:18,895 She was emotionally vulnerable. 609 00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:20,697 What 14 year old 610 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,900 Isn't emotionally vulnerable? 611 00:33:24,003 --> 00:33:26,603 He was preying basically 612 00:33:26,705 --> 00:33:30,140 On all the girls in the community. 613 00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:31,174 He had a plan. 614 00:33:31,276 --> 00:33:36,046 His plan was to become a mentor figure, 615 00:33:36,148 --> 00:33:37,914 You know, a teacher 616 00:33:38,017 --> 00:33:41,184 Of these young kids. 617 00:33:41,286 --> 00:33:43,120 Raniere: Often when you counseled people 618 00:33:43,255 --> 00:33:46,723 Who were, say, children of what you call abuse -- 619 00:33:46,825 --> 00:33:49,059 You know, the little child -- 620 00:33:49,161 --> 00:33:51,995 Some little children are perfectly happy with it 621 00:33:52,097 --> 00:33:54,631 Until they find out what happened later in life, 622 00:33:54,733 --> 00:33:57,901 And then it's more society that abuses them 623 00:33:58,003 --> 00:33:59,936 Than, actually, the parent. 624 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,638 Glazer: He's like the spider in the web, 625 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:03,707 Pulling people in. 626 00:34:03,809 --> 00:34:06,243 Raniere used to love giving examples, 627 00:34:06,345 --> 00:34:08,445 Like having sex with children. 628 00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:11,348 "why shouldn't grownups be able to have sex with children? 629 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:14,284 Why is the age of consent 16, 17, 18? 630 00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:15,819 Why can't it be 12?" 631 00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:18,455 In other societies in the past, 632 00:34:18,557 --> 00:34:20,190 Like in rome or whatever, 633 00:34:20,292 --> 00:34:22,325 The standards were completely different. 634 00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:24,327 Glazer: He's trying to normalize certain things 635 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:27,330 That he wants to be normalized in his world. 636 00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:29,933 One of raniere's longtime followers 637 00:34:30,035 --> 00:34:31,835 Sent an e-mail, in which, 638 00:34:31,937 --> 00:34:35,672 She told raniere, "you can have my daughter." 639 00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:40,610 She was only 15 years old at the time. 640 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:43,413 That to me, like, shook me to my core. 641 00:34:43,515 --> 00:34:44,915 Like... 642 00:34:45,017 --> 00:34:47,451 I've seen horror upon horror upon horror in this case, 643 00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:48,552 But, for some reason, 644 00:34:48,654 --> 00:34:51,855 That took things to a completely different level. 645 00:34:51,957 --> 00:35:01,498 ? 646 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,000 Hutchinson: What would I say to her? 647 00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:07,070 ? 648 00:35:07,172 --> 00:35:09,906 I would say I'm sorry. 649 00:35:10,008 --> 00:35:14,077 [ voice breaking ] I would say... 650 00:35:14,179 --> 00:35:17,080 [ sniffles ] 651 00:35:17,182 --> 00:35:20,350 I am so sorry... 652 00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:24,254 That I let... 653 00:35:24,356 --> 00:35:26,323 Once he went out that window 654 00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:29,126 That first night... 655 00:35:29,228 --> 00:35:31,461 He should have never come back in. 656 00:35:31,563 --> 00:35:34,331 I should have slammed that window shut. 657 00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:37,901 He should have never been let back in her life. 658 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:40,937 You know, I just didn't recognize him 659 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,473 For the monster that he is. 660 00:35:43,575 --> 00:35:45,142 ? 661 00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:48,545 Keith raniere has even said... 662 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:51,648 I've had people killed for my beliefs, 663 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:53,617 Or theirs. 664 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,787 ? 665 00:35:57,856 --> 00:35:59,022 In my opinion, 666 00:35:59,124 --> 00:36:02,826 If gina hutchinson publicly accused keith raniere 667 00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:04,861 Or if it became publicly known 668 00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:09,833 That he was a rapist, a statutory rapist, 669 00:36:09,935 --> 00:36:11,902 His organization would have been destroyed. 670 00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:14,604 In my opinion, he was a sex addict. 671 00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:16,206 He was a perv. 672 00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:18,141 He was a psychopath, 673 00:36:18,243 --> 00:36:21,578 And gina hutchinson was the one woman 674 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,980 That could expose him 675 00:36:24,082 --> 00:36:27,184 As the fraud that he was. 676 00:36:27,286 --> 00:36:35,892 ? 677 00:36:35,994 --> 00:36:38,528 Raniere: Materialism and satiation 678 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:40,697 Are abuses of power... 679 00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:42,599 In themselves. 680 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:43,667 It's just a matter of finding 681 00:36:43,769 --> 00:36:45,869 Where that abuse is applied, 682 00:36:45,971 --> 00:36:48,338 Because it is an immoral transaction. 683 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,774 ? 684 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:54,411 When clare and sara bronfman were recruited into nxivm, 685 00:36:54,513 --> 00:36:56,479 That was clearly a pivotal moment 686 00:36:56,582 --> 00:36:59,015 For the organization. 687 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:02,152 Rosales: The bronfman sisters come from a very wealthy family. 688 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:03,954 They're both the heiresses 689 00:37:04,056 --> 00:37:06,122 Of the bronfman liquor fortune. 690 00:37:06,225 --> 00:37:08,458 Without the money of clare and sarah bronfman, 691 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,961 I mean, the nxivm world doesn't exist. 692 00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:13,296 ? 693 00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:17,400 I was hired by nxivm in 2006. 694 00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:19,703 I lasted about four months. 695 00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:22,639 Raniere had, like, a burning intensity, 696 00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:24,941 But, at the same time, he was arrogant. 697 00:37:25,043 --> 00:37:26,343 He was haughty. 698 00:37:26,445 --> 00:37:28,612 He was a know-it-all. 699 00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:30,480 He liked to pontificate. 700 00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:33,350 He didn't want to hear what anybody else had to say. 701 00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:35,552 I did think he was evil, 702 00:37:35,654 --> 00:37:39,022 But I thought he was just financially corrupt. 703 00:37:39,124 --> 00:37:44,327 I specifically remember that he got $66 million 704 00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:46,963 From the bronfman sisters' trust fund. 705 00:37:47,065 --> 00:37:48,965 Ross: They believe that the money was being used 706 00:37:49,067 --> 00:37:50,667 For some higher purpose, 707 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:55,605 But keith raniere blew through more than $100 million. 708 00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:56,973 All the buildings, 709 00:37:57,075 --> 00:37:59,909 The facilities, the jet travel, the private speakers, 710 00:38:00,012 --> 00:38:01,978 All that costs lots of money 711 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,413 Lalich: Having that amount of money, 712 00:38:03,515 --> 00:38:05,248 They could now buy off people. 713 00:38:05,384 --> 00:38:07,884 They could file lawsuits against people -- 714 00:38:07,986 --> 00:38:09,586 Whatever it is he wanted to do. 715 00:38:09,688 --> 00:38:14,924 ? 716 00:38:15,027 --> 00:38:18,061 Narrator: Gina hutchinson's autopsy and police report 717 00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:21,364 Indicate that the 33 year old committed suicide 718 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,501 By placing the muzzle of a 22-gauge shotgun 719 00:38:24,603 --> 00:38:25,669 In her mouth 720 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,038 And pulling the trigger. 721 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:29,906 Frank parlato wants to know 722 00:38:29,975 --> 00:38:32,309 If this extraordinarily brutal act 723 00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:36,713 Is physically possible for a woman of gina's build. 724 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:39,115 With the help of a ballistics expert. 725 00:38:39,217 --> 00:38:41,718 Parlato will, to the best of his knowledge, 726 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,553 Recreate the last moments 727 00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:45,488 Of gina hutchinson's life 728 00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:47,190 To look for any details 729 00:38:47,292 --> 00:38:49,693 The authorities may have missed. 730 00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:50,994 Parlato: You've read the autopsy 731 00:38:51,096 --> 00:38:52,028 Report... Bir: Yep. 732 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:54,230 ...And you read the police report 733 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:58,501 It was an apparent suicide in woodstock. 734 00:38:58,637 --> 00:39:02,739 Did anything strike you as possibly suspicious? 735 00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:04,674 Both reports went with the assumption 736 00:39:04,776 --> 00:39:06,409 That it was a suicide. 737 00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,945 I think the one thing that's a little disappointing 738 00:39:09,047 --> 00:39:12,382 Is the lack of gunshot residue test on her, 739 00:39:12,484 --> 00:39:13,983 Because whenever you fire a gun, 740 00:39:14,086 --> 00:39:16,219 You get gunshot residue on your fingers. 741 00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:17,654 And had they swabbed her fingers, 742 00:39:17,756 --> 00:39:19,155 We would know, for sure, that she was the one 743 00:39:19,257 --> 00:39:20,924 That fired the gun. 744 00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:23,493 If foul play was suspected, 745 00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:24,961 What other tests 746 00:39:25,063 --> 00:39:27,063 Do you think they would have done? 747 00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:29,699 I don't think they did a wide-scene investigation 748 00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:31,835 Because they assumed it was a suicide. 749 00:39:31,937 --> 00:39:33,603 That goes back to, when you have a theory 750 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:35,105 And you just follow that one path, 751 00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:36,539 You don't look at these other things 752 00:39:36,641 --> 00:39:38,108 That might come into play. 753 00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:39,442 So, they would have looked, possibly, 754 00:39:39,577 --> 00:39:40,810 For footprints? 755 00:39:40,912 --> 00:39:42,545 Footprints. 756 00:39:42,647 --> 00:39:44,147 Yeah, definitely. 757 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:45,348 They would have looked to see, 758 00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:46,850 Was there any evidence that the gun was 759 00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:48,685 Actually fired in that location 760 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,420 Versus another location, 761 00:39:50,522 --> 00:39:52,288 Which is why those crime scene analyses 762 00:39:52,391 --> 00:39:55,392 Are so important right when they happen. 763 00:39:55,494 --> 00:39:59,929 From what you know, is it odd that a woman would 764 00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:04,167 Use a gun to commit suicide? 765 00:40:04,269 --> 00:40:05,568 This is kind of a violent means 766 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:07,737 For a woman to commit suicide. 767 00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:10,106 We don't see it as often as we do with men, 768 00:40:10,208 --> 00:40:12,776 Especially with a shotgun, right? 769 00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:13,877 This is an example of a shotgun. 770 00:40:13,979 --> 00:40:15,078 This isn't a real one. 771 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,847 It's the same size. Same size, same length. 772 00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:19,416 And, like I said, the length is critical, 773 00:40:19,518 --> 00:40:20,817 'cause we have to figure out 774 00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:21,985 Whether or not she would be able 775 00:40:22,087 --> 00:40:25,922 To put this in her mouth and pull the trigger. 776 00:40:26,024 --> 00:40:28,057 We have a nice person, who's gonna help us out, 777 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,527 In terms of same height, same weight, 778 00:40:30,629 --> 00:40:32,996 Wearing similar clothing, which is great, 779 00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:35,031 Because we really want to kind of have this 780 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,100 Be exactly how it happened. 781 00:40:37,202 --> 00:40:42,806 ? 782 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:48,545 ? 783 00:40:48,647 --> 00:40:49,946 It has to be under the coat, 784 00:40:50,048 --> 00:40:51,548 Because that's what she was wearing 785 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:53,082 And how she was found. 786 00:40:53,185 --> 00:40:54,584 The gun in her jacket. 787 00:40:54,686 --> 00:40:57,220 ? 788 00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:59,255 Can she do it? 789 00:40:59,357 --> 00:41:01,791 Bir: Like that. 790 00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:04,260 And then can you reach the trigger? 791 00:41:04,362 --> 00:41:05,395 Unh-unh. Unh-unh. 792 00:41:05,497 --> 00:41:07,964 You can't reach the trigger. 793 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:10,900 She could have used a twig or a branch to do it. 794 00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:12,368 But...On her own, 795 00:41:12,471 --> 00:41:14,103 It doesn't seem like she can really reach. 796 00:41:14,206 --> 00:41:15,371 It seems unlikely. In this position. 797 00:41:15,474 --> 00:41:17,073 Yeah, in this position. 798 00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:19,576 Bir: We can go back. We can try to recreate. 799 00:41:19,678 --> 00:41:22,145 We can speculate, but you're right. 800 00:41:22,247 --> 00:41:24,347 At the end of the day, we we don't really 801 00:41:24,449 --> 00:41:26,483 Have hard conclusions, unfortunately. 802 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,117 Yeah. 803 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:34,724 ? 804 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,870 ? 805 00:41:46,972 --> 00:41:48,705 Gina hutchinson was a minor 806 00:41:48,807 --> 00:41:51,674 When the 23 year old keith raniere allegedly 807 00:41:51,776 --> 00:41:55,245 First had sex with her in 1983. 808 00:41:55,347 --> 00:41:57,881 He remained a dark influence in her life 809 00:41:57,983 --> 00:42:00,416 Until she purportedly committed suicide 810 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,952 At the age of 33. 811 00:42:03,088 --> 00:42:04,954 If the police hadn't immediately rule 812 00:42:05,056 --> 00:42:07,290 Gina hutchinson's death a suicide. 813 00:42:07,392 --> 00:42:09,125 At the very least, they could have 814 00:42:09,227 --> 00:42:10,660 Interviewed keith raniere, 815 00:42:10,762 --> 00:42:13,062 Who lived an hour and a half's drive away 816 00:42:13,164 --> 00:42:14,297 In albany, new york. 817 00:42:14,399 --> 00:42:21,070 ? 818 00:42:21,172 --> 00:42:23,773 Albany was nxivm's headquarters, 819 00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:27,610 And it's where many of raniere's most devoted followers flocked 820 00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,779 To be near him. 821 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:31,514 It's also the next stage 822 00:42:31,616 --> 00:42:34,617 Of frank parlato's investigation. 823 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,920 Parlato is here to look into the deaths 824 00:42:37,022 --> 00:42:40,757 Of the final two lost women of nxivm. 825 00:42:40,859 --> 00:42:44,327 63-year-old barbara jeske... 826 00:42:44,429 --> 00:42:47,764 And 57-year-old pamela cafritz. 827 00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:50,633 Both women lived with keith raniere 828 00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:53,636 And were part of his trusted inner circle. 829 00:42:53,738 --> 00:43:03,446 ? 830 00:43:03,548 --> 00:43:06,649 Parlato: We are here at the border of knox woods, 831 00:43:06,751 --> 00:43:08,217 The subdivision 832 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,852 Where keith raniere lived 833 00:43:09,955 --> 00:43:12,889 For maybe 30 years of his life. 834 00:43:12,991 --> 00:43:16,993 And it was where all of his followers came. 835 00:43:17,095 --> 00:43:19,996 It's where pam cafritz lived the last days of her life 836 00:43:20,098 --> 00:43:25,635 And where barbara jeske lived the last days of her life. 837 00:43:25,737 --> 00:43:28,805 We're here to see if we can uncover any evidence 838 00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:31,774 Surrounding their deaths. 839 00:43:31,876 --> 00:43:34,310 Unlike gina hutchinson and kristin snyder, 840 00:43:34,412 --> 00:43:37,580 These women did not die by an apparent suicide. 841 00:43:37,682 --> 00:43:40,216 These women all developed some sort of cancer. 842 00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:42,885 ? 843 00:43:42,988 --> 00:43:45,288 Essentially, keith had created an organization 844 00:43:45,423 --> 00:43:46,789 With an inner circle 845 00:43:46,891 --> 00:43:48,825 Of primarily women around him. 846 00:43:48,927 --> 00:43:51,494 ? 847 00:43:51,596 --> 00:43:53,529 As it grew, there were different people 848 00:43:53,665 --> 00:43:55,865 Who became part of the inner circle 849 00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:59,268 And that inner circle was people, 850 00:43:59,371 --> 00:44:02,872 To my knowledge, that were sleeping with him. 851 00:44:02,974 --> 00:44:04,574 Stone: They all worked for him 852 00:44:04,676 --> 00:44:06,709 In some capacity. 853 00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:10,146 I saw complete mind control. 854 00:44:10,248 --> 00:44:13,483 I saw a total blind loyalty. 855 00:44:13,585 --> 00:44:15,184 Barb jeske was -- 856 00:44:15,286 --> 00:44:17,520 She was more of an enroller 857 00:44:17,622 --> 00:44:19,656 And kept people in, 858 00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:23,159 In regards to going through curriculum and stuff. 859 00:44:23,261 --> 00:44:26,596 Pam was keith's, like, number one 860 00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:29,499 And lived with keith the longest. 861 00:44:29,601 --> 00:44:32,769 Lyons: Some of the women who had been involved with raniere 862 00:44:32,871 --> 00:44:34,203 Through the years 863 00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:36,205 Had some form of cancer 864 00:44:36,307 --> 00:44:39,342 And some of it fatal. 865 00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:43,546 Raniere was directing what sort of treatment they could get. 866 00:44:43,648 --> 00:44:45,048 It was endangering these women, 867 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:46,482 And may have, in some instances, 868 00:44:46,584 --> 00:44:47,817 Cost him their lives. 869 00:44:47,919 --> 00:44:50,553 ? 870 00:44:50,655 --> 00:44:51,988 My name's cindy liberatore. 871 00:44:52,123 --> 00:44:54,590 My sister was barbara jeske. 872 00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:57,760 Barbara was very bubbly, friendly. 873 00:44:57,862 --> 00:44:59,328 Everybody loved her. 874 00:44:59,431 --> 00:45:01,497 She taught a lot of the courses. 875 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,467 She got a lot of people into it. 876 00:45:04,569 --> 00:45:07,904 She made keith a lot of money. 877 00:45:08,006 --> 00:45:09,205 I don't know where that money went, 878 00:45:09,307 --> 00:45:12,675 But she made him a lot of money. 879 00:45:12,777 --> 00:45:15,144 In the end, she saw the way it was spiraling, 880 00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:17,513 And she wanted out, but by then, it was too late. 881 00:45:17,615 --> 00:45:19,115 She got the diagnosis. 882 00:45:21,152 --> 00:45:25,188 ? 883 00:45:25,323 --> 00:45:26,756 Narrator: Keith raniere's control 884 00:45:26,858 --> 00:45:28,891 Over the women in his inner circle 885 00:45:28,993 --> 00:45:31,394 Did not stop with sex. 886 00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:33,596 According to former nxivm members, 887 00:45:33,698 --> 00:45:35,364 When he got them pregnant, 888 00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:37,800 He instructed them to have abortions. 889 00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:39,202 He also controlled their diet 890 00:45:39,304 --> 00:45:42,405 And medical treatments when they fell ill. 891 00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:45,575 Frank parlato has arranged to meet with a source, 892 00:45:45,677 --> 00:45:47,944 A former inner circle member 893 00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:50,980 At a house she shared with keith raniere. 894 00:45:51,082 --> 00:45:53,249 Barbara jeske and pamela cafritz 895 00:45:53,351 --> 00:45:54,717 Also lived here when they both 896 00:45:54,819 --> 00:45:58,488 Developed and died of cancer. 897 00:45:58,623 --> 00:46:01,357 The source has agreed to meet with parlato 898 00:46:01,459 --> 00:46:04,994 On the condition that she remain anonymous. 899 00:46:05,096 --> 00:46:09,398 ? 900 00:46:09,501 --> 00:46:11,567 [ doorbell rings ] 901 00:46:11,669 --> 00:46:17,807 ? 902 00:46:17,909 --> 00:46:20,576 Parlato: So, this is the home of keith raniere? 903 00:46:20,678 --> 00:46:21,811 Woman: [ distorted ] yes. 904 00:46:21,913 --> 00:46:28,985 ? 905 00:46:29,087 --> 00:46:30,453 This was his headquarters, right? 906 00:46:30,555 --> 00:46:31,754 Yes. 907 00:46:31,856 --> 00:46:34,390 Now, it's not really a big house. 908 00:46:34,492 --> 00:46:36,159 No. 909 00:46:36,261 --> 00:46:38,494 So when did you move in here? 910 00:46:38,596 --> 00:46:40,396 In 1988. 911 00:46:40,498 --> 00:46:42,765 Woman: Pam moved in within a year or so. 912 00:46:42,867 --> 00:46:44,300 Parlato: And then barbara jeske -- 913 00:46:44,402 --> 00:46:45,835 When did she start living here? 914 00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:48,204 So, that would have been like early '90s. 915 00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:50,106 It's a bit more of a mess up here. 916 00:46:50,208 --> 00:46:56,112 ? 917 00:46:56,214 --> 00:46:58,514 Pamela lived in this room. 918 00:46:58,616 --> 00:47:01,384 ? 919 00:47:01,486 --> 00:47:03,820 This is the master bedroom, right? 920 00:47:03,922 --> 00:47:05,988 This was his and my room. 921 00:47:06,124 --> 00:47:09,192 ? 922 00:47:09,294 --> 00:47:12,195 We have obscured your identity, 923 00:47:12,297 --> 00:47:16,098 Not mentioned your name. 924 00:47:16,201 --> 00:47:17,733 I asked that I not be identified 925 00:47:17,836 --> 00:47:19,135 For a couple reasons. 926 00:47:19,237 --> 00:47:20,703 There is the people that are still 927 00:47:20,805 --> 00:47:22,171 Followers of keith. 928 00:47:22,273 --> 00:47:23,506 So there's some danger. There's some danger there. 929 00:47:23,608 --> 00:47:24,807 And I've talked to people who have been 930 00:47:24,909 --> 00:47:27,476 Afraid for their lives even, you know? 931 00:47:27,579 --> 00:47:29,312 Um... 932 00:47:30,949 --> 00:47:35,618 I obviously know enough of what went on with him 933 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,653 That I think I would be a danger to them, 934 00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:41,057 Which makes them a danger to me. 935 00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:42,391 Let's talk about pam for a minute. 936 00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:43,726 Did you know pam? 937 00:47:43,828 --> 00:47:44,861 Yes. 938 00:47:44,963 --> 00:47:46,729 Pam cafritz... 939 00:47:46,831 --> 00:47:47,964 Could be very sweet, 940 00:47:48,066 --> 00:47:49,699 Very funny, 941 00:47:49,801 --> 00:47:51,834 Uninhibited, 942 00:47:51,936 --> 00:47:54,237 I guess is a nice way of putting it 943 00:47:54,339 --> 00:47:55,504 But she lived with keith. 944 00:47:55,607 --> 00:47:57,440 Yes. 945 00:47:57,542 --> 00:47:59,909 Do you have any reason to suspect 946 00:48:00,011 --> 00:48:01,510 Anything suspicious 947 00:48:01,613 --> 00:48:04,447 About pam's death? 948 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:06,682 ? 949 00:48:06,784 --> 00:48:07,950 There was a lot of cancer 950 00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:10,720 In that group of people who lived together. 951 00:48:10,822 --> 00:48:13,856 ? 952 00:48:13,958 --> 00:48:17,159 Pamela had kidney cancer. 953 00:48:17,262 --> 00:48:19,695 Barbara jeske had brain cancer. 954 00:48:19,797 --> 00:48:22,064 Kristen keeffe had cervical cancer. 955 00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:25,635 So, there was just a cluster of cancer going on there. 956 00:48:25,737 --> 00:48:28,437 That seemed suspicious. 957 00:48:28,539 --> 00:48:33,743 Do you know if pamela had a well? 958 00:48:33,845 --> 00:48:35,311 I had heard that she did. 959 00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:40,116 Do you know who the executor of pam cafritz's will was? 960 00:48:40,218 --> 00:48:42,184 Believe it was keith raniere. 961 00:48:42,287 --> 00:48:45,821 ? 962 00:48:45,924 --> 00:48:47,924 Is there any chance that keith might have tried 963 00:48:48,026 --> 00:48:50,960 To poison you and pam and barbara, 964 00:48:51,062 --> 00:48:52,795 And then found a way to do it. 965 00:48:52,897 --> 00:48:55,231 That's a rough question. 966 00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:56,765 You asked me that a year ago, 967 00:48:56,834 --> 00:48:59,235 I would have said that's outrageous, ridiculous. 968 00:48:59,337 --> 00:49:03,172 It's against everything he stands for. 969 00:49:03,274 --> 00:49:05,141 But after everything we've seen this year, 970 00:49:05,243 --> 00:49:06,642 Anything's possible 971 00:49:06,744 --> 00:49:08,744 Narrator: After parlato's interview, 972 00:49:08,846 --> 00:49:11,514 The nxivm source reveals that she kept a lock of hair 973 00:49:11,616 --> 00:49:14,083 From the time she had cancer. 974 00:49:14,185 --> 00:49:16,986 She provides the filmmakers with the hair sample 975 00:49:17,088 --> 00:49:20,389 In the hopes that it may help inform parlato's investigation. 976 00:49:20,491 --> 00:49:24,560 ? 977 00:49:24,662 --> 00:49:25,695 This is the hair. 978 00:49:25,797 --> 00:49:26,896 This is my hair. 979 00:49:26,998 --> 00:49:28,230 I had my hair down to my waist 980 00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:30,333 Since I was -- since I met keith. 981 00:49:30,435 --> 00:49:32,401 And so when I finally got him to agree 982 00:49:32,503 --> 00:49:33,703 To let me cut it, 983 00:49:33,805 --> 00:49:37,106 It was a big deal, so I saved the tail. 984 00:49:37,208 --> 00:49:40,009 'cause that hair could be key for us. 985 00:49:40,111 --> 00:49:47,583 ? 986 00:49:47,685 --> 00:49:51,320 Narrator: Frank parlato needs to get the hair sample tested. 987 00:49:51,422 --> 00:49:54,890 ? 988 00:49:54,993 --> 00:49:57,193 What I'm gonna do now is call jason kolowski. 989 00:49:57,295 --> 00:49:59,795 He is a forensic scientist 990 00:49:59,897 --> 00:50:02,965 Who may be able to at least answer a question or two 991 00:50:03,067 --> 00:50:06,402 About whether or not 992 00:50:06,504 --> 00:50:09,605 An individual may be able 993 00:50:09,707 --> 00:50:13,275 To get another person to contract cancer. 994 00:50:13,378 --> 00:50:16,412 [ line rings ] 995 00:50:16,514 --> 00:50:17,580 Hello. This is jason. 996 00:50:17,682 --> 00:50:20,549 Hey, jason. This is frank parlato calling. 997 00:50:20,651 --> 00:50:22,518 Raniere was a fanatic. 998 00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:23,686 In many ways, 999 00:50:23,788 --> 00:50:29,525 And one of his fanaticisms was that hair represented 1000 00:50:29,627 --> 00:50:32,528 An essential aspect of a woman's persona. 1001 00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:35,064 And he did not normally permit them 1002 00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:37,600 To ever cut their hair. Okay. 1003 00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:38,868 If they did cut their hair, 1004 00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:40,202 For whatever reason, 1005 00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:43,506 He would require them to store that hair 1006 00:50:43,608 --> 00:50:45,508 To keep it and preserve it. 1007 00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:47,710 One of the women who survived, 1008 00:50:47,812 --> 00:50:51,347 The one that had the bladder cancer, 1009 00:50:51,482 --> 00:50:54,083 Had some of her hair from that period. 1010 00:50:54,185 --> 00:50:56,352 Now this would go back several years, 1011 00:50:56,454 --> 00:50:58,154 But would there be anything in the hair 1012 00:50:58,256 --> 00:51:02,458 That might permit us to make any kind of a test? 1013 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,593 Absolutely. Yeah. 1014 00:51:04,695 --> 00:51:06,796 Hair is -- oh, my gosh. 1015 00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:12,101 It's a phenomenal time capsule for toxic exposure, 1016 00:51:12,203 --> 00:51:14,203 Environmental exposures. 1017 00:51:14,305 --> 00:51:16,772 So if she cut a portion of some hair off 1018 00:51:16,874 --> 00:51:18,674 And saved it during a time 1019 00:51:18,776 --> 00:51:20,476 Maybe when she was exposed 1020 00:51:20,578 --> 00:51:22,812 Or even during the time that she had cancer. 1021 00:51:22,914 --> 00:51:26,048 You definitely could test that hair, 1022 00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:29,752 And you'll see what you could find. 1023 00:51:29,854 --> 00:51:37,026 ? 1024 00:51:37,128 --> 00:51:38,961 We sent the hair sample that we got 1025 00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:42,198 From a inner circle member of keith raniere's 1026 00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:45,134 To a forensic scientist. 1027 00:51:45,236 --> 00:51:46,302 He's been running some tests 1028 00:51:46,404 --> 00:51:49,004 To find out if there was anything in her system 1029 00:51:49,107 --> 00:51:51,140 When she was living with barbara jeske, 1030 00:51:51,242 --> 00:51:54,443 Pam cafritz, and keith raniere. 1031 00:51:54,545 --> 00:51:56,479 As far fetched as it sounds, 1032 00:51:56,581 --> 00:51:57,646 It is strange to me 1033 00:51:57,748 --> 00:51:59,915 That four women living with keith raniere 1034 00:52:00,017 --> 00:52:01,750 Should all come down with cancer. 1035 00:52:01,853 --> 00:52:03,986 Kolowski: Come on in. 1036 00:52:04,088 --> 00:52:06,055 Please have a seat. 1037 00:52:06,157 --> 00:52:09,758 A lot of what I'm working on would be missing persons cases, 1038 00:52:09,861 --> 00:52:12,328 Advising laboratories on cases 1039 00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:15,831 That they're working on -- cold cases, things like that. 1040 00:52:15,933 --> 00:52:17,133 Kolowski: In this case, we have something 1041 00:52:17,235 --> 00:52:18,300 A little bit different. 1042 00:52:18,402 --> 00:52:20,603 We received that hair sample from you, 1043 00:52:20,705 --> 00:52:24,140 And we had an opportunity to go and get it tested. 1044 00:52:24,242 --> 00:52:25,407 And with that, 1045 00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:27,543 I was able to divide that section of hair 1046 00:52:27,645 --> 00:52:29,879 Into three different strands. 1047 00:52:29,981 --> 00:52:31,747 In an average number of people, 1048 00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:35,017 This is the normal level of barium and bismuth. 1049 00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,952 That barium and bismuth level 1050 00:52:37,054 --> 00:52:39,522 Is so significantly higher than the normal 1051 00:52:39,624 --> 00:52:41,490 In all three of these samples 1052 00:52:41,592 --> 00:52:43,058 That I'm going to be able to comfortably say 1053 00:52:43,161 --> 00:52:46,262 That she definitely had some type of a chronic exposure 1054 00:52:46,364 --> 00:52:48,097 To these two heavy metals, 1055 00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,267 And that look on your face is exactly right. 1056 00:52:51,369 --> 00:52:56,205 How would someone get bismuth or barium? 1057 00:52:56,307 --> 00:53:00,376 Barium is occurring in a variety of different sources. 1058 00:53:00,478 --> 00:53:02,778 Higher concentrations, it's going to be found in things 1059 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,750 Like gunpowder, explosives, electronic devices, 1060 00:53:07,852 --> 00:53:10,219 But also found in rat poison, believe it or not. 1061 00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:13,589 ? 1062 00:53:13,691 --> 00:53:16,859 If it is rat poison, you're talking about a low dose, 1063 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:19,962 Chronic exposure to this 1064 00:53:20,064 --> 00:53:21,797 Over 15 to 24 months. 1065 00:53:21,899 --> 00:53:24,133 This woman had bladder cancer 1066 00:53:24,235 --> 00:53:25,701 And the other woman lived with her 1067 00:53:25,803 --> 00:53:30,105 Had kidney cancer. Interesting. 1068 00:53:30,208 --> 00:53:32,675 So I would say, for both barium and bismuth, 1069 00:53:32,777 --> 00:53:34,977 There is actually, within the literature, 1070 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,781 Lots of references to renal system issues 1071 00:53:38,883 --> 00:53:41,116 With high-dose exposure. 1072 00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:42,885 The other thing with that is that 1073 00:53:42,987 --> 00:53:43,986 We're still thinking about 1074 00:53:44,088 --> 00:53:45,821 And we're really trying to answer the question 1075 00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:48,624 From your original conversation with me 1076 00:53:48,726 --> 00:53:49,725 About the cancer 1077 00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:51,827 About what caused these women in this house 1078 00:53:51,929 --> 00:53:54,163 At this time and place in history 1079 00:53:54,265 --> 00:53:58,000 To all develop different forms of cancer, 1080 00:53:58,102 --> 00:54:00,603 But we really just don't know. 1081 00:54:00,705 --> 00:54:06,008 ? 1082 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:07,843 Is it possible that keith raniere 1083 00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:11,947 Poisoned these women over a period of years? 1084 00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:13,983 For those who knew him 1085 00:54:14,085 --> 00:54:16,051 And the secrecy surrounding him 1086 00:54:16,153 --> 00:54:18,887 And his inner circle. 1087 00:54:19,023 --> 00:54:20,623 Makes anything possible. 1088 00:54:20,725 --> 00:54:24,660 ? 1089 00:54:24,762 --> 00:54:26,095 Come check us out. 1090 00:54:26,197 --> 00:54:28,497 Let's get this ball in the road. 1091 00:54:28,566 --> 00:54:31,500 Pam is the one who went out and sought people 1092 00:54:31,602 --> 00:54:33,435 And set people up for keith. 1093 00:54:33,537 --> 00:54:38,540 She was keith's pimp for decades... 1094 00:54:38,643 --> 00:54:40,576 Until she died. 1095 00:54:40,678 --> 00:54:44,246 And then allison mack is the one who took over. 1096 00:54:44,348 --> 00:54:46,015 ? 1097 00:54:46,117 --> 00:54:47,316 Rosales: Allison mack was an actress. 1098 00:54:47,418 --> 00:54:50,452 She appeared in the television series "smallville." 1099 00:54:50,554 --> 00:54:54,690 She was a very dedicated member of esp. 1100 00:54:54,792 --> 00:54:56,358 She started out as just someone 1101 00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:59,261 Who was recruited through the vancouver center. 1102 00:54:59,363 --> 00:55:03,265 Once she met keith, became his second in command. 1103 00:55:03,367 --> 00:55:05,634 Ross: They then created keith raniere's 1104 00:55:05,736 --> 00:55:10,906 Secret master slave order, known as "dos", 1105 00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:13,776 Headed by lauren salzman, by allison mack. 1106 00:55:13,878 --> 00:55:18,180 But, ultimately, keith raniere was the ultimate authority 1107 00:55:18,282 --> 00:55:20,449 Over this secret group of women 1108 00:55:20,551 --> 00:55:23,519 Who became his sex slaves. 1109 00:55:23,621 --> 00:55:28,057 Lalich: Dos was the secret sorority for women 1110 00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,326 Where the branding took place. 1111 00:55:30,428 --> 00:55:32,094 Rosales: Dos was the elite of the elite, 1112 00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:34,830 And it gave some of the women special access to keith 1113 00:55:34,932 --> 00:55:35,898 And vice versa. 1114 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,268 But the cost of dos is the branding 1115 00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:42,805 And the humiliation and the pain. 1116 00:55:42,907 --> 00:55:45,174 [ distorted ] most women were surprised 1117 00:55:45,276 --> 00:55:47,009 That the brand was the size 1118 00:55:47,111 --> 00:55:48,777 That it was. 1119 00:55:48,879 --> 00:55:50,245 Glazer: It can look like a symbol 1120 00:55:50,348 --> 00:55:51,947 Until you know what to look for. 1121 00:55:52,049 --> 00:55:55,317 Once you've seen the photograph, "oh, yeah. It's k.A.R." 1122 00:55:55,419 --> 00:55:58,787 Keith allen raniere. 1123 00:55:58,889 --> 00:56:01,190 This is not what you do to human beings, 1124 00:56:01,292 --> 00:56:04,493 Unless you think you own them. 1125 00:56:04,595 --> 00:56:08,330 Ross: Suddenly, nxivm became an international story. 1126 00:56:08,432 --> 00:56:12,134 Woman: [ distorted ] so many people were upset and leaving. 1127 00:56:12,236 --> 00:56:13,535 People were coming out, 1128 00:56:13,637 --> 00:56:15,337 Validating some of the accusations 1129 00:56:15,439 --> 00:56:17,272 About things that were happening. 1130 00:56:17,375 --> 00:56:19,274 Basically they lied about it. 1131 00:56:19,377 --> 00:56:21,643 Then it wasn't just one person lying. 1132 00:56:21,746 --> 00:56:24,179 It seems like it was a whole group of people 1133 00:56:24,281 --> 00:56:26,715 Lying to keep a cover in place. 1134 00:56:26,817 --> 00:56:30,853 I think it was interesting that when women were admitted 1135 00:56:30,955 --> 00:56:34,223 To this secret circle of the cult, 1136 00:56:34,325 --> 00:56:37,559 They were required to give blackmail material 1137 00:56:37,661 --> 00:56:41,630 In case they ever got inklings of leaving the cult. 1138 00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:45,000 So, again, a person who's capable of that 1139 00:56:45,102 --> 00:56:47,236 Is capable of anything. 1140 00:56:47,338 --> 00:56:53,075 ? 1141 00:57:00,384 --> 00:57:06,255 ? 1142 00:57:06,357 --> 00:57:12,227 ? 1143 00:57:12,329 --> 00:57:14,863 [ whirring ] 1144 00:57:14,965 --> 00:57:18,100 Narrator: Frank parlato, the journalist who first revealed 1145 00:57:18,202 --> 00:57:20,369 That nxivm was branding women, 1146 00:57:20,471 --> 00:57:24,306 Is deep into the next phase of his investigation. 1147 00:57:24,408 --> 00:57:27,075 Could nxivm founder keith raniere 1148 00:57:27,178 --> 00:57:30,312 Have played a part in the deaths of kristin snyder, 1149 00:57:30,414 --> 00:57:34,650 Gina hutchinson, barbara jeske, and pamela cafritz? 1150 00:57:38,823 --> 00:57:40,889 In the case of kristin snyder, 1151 00:57:40,991 --> 00:57:43,725 Although her body was never found, 1152 00:57:43,828 --> 00:57:46,261 Frank continues to search for new leads 1153 00:57:46,363 --> 00:57:48,263 That could hopefully provide answers 1154 00:57:48,365 --> 00:57:50,632 To the questions surrounding her death. 1155 00:57:50,734 --> 00:57:57,105 ? 1156 00:57:57,208 --> 00:58:02,811 ? 1157 00:58:02,913 --> 00:58:05,113 Woman: Kris is gone. 1158 00:58:05,216 --> 00:58:08,717 This amazing person who is on this planet 1159 00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:14,857 With good intention, doing great things is gone, 1160 00:58:14,959 --> 00:58:17,359 And all because of a class. 1161 00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:26,335 Around the holidays, she decided to fly to albany, new york. 1162 00:58:26,437 --> 00:58:28,637 So kris came back from albany. 1163 00:58:28,739 --> 00:58:33,842 She was very disconnected from some of the people around her. 1164 00:58:33,944 --> 00:58:36,111 Some of her joy and some of her laughter 1165 00:58:36,213 --> 00:58:41,250 And some of what the character that kris is and was 1166 00:58:41,352 --> 00:58:43,585 Seemed dampened. 1167 00:58:43,687 --> 00:58:45,120 She was just not the same. 1168 00:58:45,222 --> 00:58:48,323 If he has done what has been reported 1169 00:58:48,425 --> 00:58:50,425 And on record of what he's done, 1170 00:58:50,528 --> 00:58:56,932 If he invited her into his little sex den 1171 00:58:57,034 --> 00:58:59,801 And this happened to her, 1172 00:58:59,904 --> 00:59:05,574 I have no doubt that it was not -- 1173 00:59:05,676 --> 00:59:08,076 It would have been not a consensual situation. 1174 00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:11,780 To have sex with him. 1175 00:59:11,882 --> 00:59:19,454 ? 1176 00:59:19,557 --> 00:59:21,356 Matt, how are you doing? 1177 00:59:21,458 --> 00:59:24,026 Malone: Good. How are you? 1178 00:59:24,128 --> 00:59:27,396 I overheard and would be kind of in the room 1179 00:59:27,498 --> 00:59:28,730 And privy to some conversations 1180 00:59:28,832 --> 00:59:30,499 And some documents and some data 1181 00:59:30,601 --> 00:59:33,402 That I don't think a lot of people had access to. 1182 00:59:33,504 --> 00:59:38,206 An important element of this investigation is to find out 1183 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:41,743 If keith and kristin had a relationship. 1184 00:59:41,845 --> 00:59:44,446 Did they have an intimate relationship? 1185 00:59:44,548 --> 00:59:46,148 And this is what matt can hopefully 1186 00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:48,283 Shed a little bit of light on. 1187 00:59:50,955 --> 00:59:53,956 You went to work for clare bronfman. 1188 00:59:54,058 --> 00:59:56,058 I was hired on a security contract. 1189 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,527 So my contract with clare was basically 1190 00:59:58,629 --> 01:00:02,130 To do I.T. Information technology and security. 1191 01:00:02,232 --> 01:00:05,000 It was supposed to be a wireless sharing network, right. 1192 01:00:05,102 --> 01:00:08,103 So the concept and the story was that we're -- 1193 01:00:08,205 --> 01:00:10,072 Basically, keith was like, "hey, I want to be able 1194 01:00:10,174 --> 01:00:11,873 To take cellphones, bond them together, 1195 01:00:11,976 --> 01:00:14,643 Have, you know, shared bandwidth stuff like that." 1196 01:00:14,745 --> 01:00:16,545 And they're asking to do 1197 01:00:16,647 --> 01:00:18,580 What's called wireless mesh node networking. 1198 01:00:18,682 --> 01:00:20,048 Wireless mesh node networking 1199 01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:22,618 Allows you to basically create your own internet. 1200 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,789 When you're basically building your own network at your house, 1201 01:00:27,891 --> 01:00:30,225 You get to see everything that goes across, right? 1202 01:00:30,327 --> 01:00:31,893 His real motive was to spy on everybody. 1203 01:00:31,996 --> 01:00:34,997 Spy on his people. That's what I know now. 1204 01:00:35,099 --> 01:00:36,098 Crazy, right? 1205 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,232 So and then finally 1206 01:00:37,334 --> 01:00:38,667 When we started asking ethical questions, 1207 01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:41,336 We got kicked off the project -- shocker. 1208 01:00:41,438 --> 01:00:44,506 Did they ever mention the name kristin snyder to you? 1209 01:00:44,608 --> 01:00:46,475 Yes. 1210 01:00:46,577 --> 01:00:50,178 A friend of mine had been asked to research into kristin snyder 1211 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,482 To see where she was. 1212 01:00:53,617 --> 01:00:58,253 So they told your friend that kristin snyder was alive. 1213 01:00:58,355 --> 01:00:59,287 Yeah, the understanding was -- 1214 01:00:59,423 --> 01:01:02,024 Is that they feel like she faked her own death 1215 01:01:02,126 --> 01:01:03,959 And that she wasn't really dead. 1216 01:01:04,061 --> 01:01:06,194 Maybe he killed her, 1217 01:01:06,296 --> 01:01:08,797 Or she faked her own death and escaped. 1218 01:01:08,899 --> 01:01:12,534 Either extreme goes to show 1219 01:01:12,636 --> 01:01:15,070 What kind of a monster it is. 1220 01:01:15,172 --> 01:01:17,773 You know, kristin snyder, he had gotten her pregnant, right? 1221 01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:22,077 Keith raniere? 1222 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:24,246 We had known that kristin snyder was -- 1223 01:01:24,348 --> 01:01:28,617 Had been pregnant with one of his kids. 1224 01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:32,621 How do you know clare bronfman? 1225 01:01:32,723 --> 01:01:34,823 From clare's mouth, from her words. 1226 01:01:34,925 --> 01:01:38,593 Clare bronfman told you that kristin snyder was pregnant? 1227 01:01:38,696 --> 01:01:39,828 Yep. 1228 01:01:42,966 --> 01:01:45,133 Kristin snyder was pregnant 1229 01:01:45,235 --> 01:01:48,003 Sheds a brand-new light on this thing. 1230 01:01:48,105 --> 01:01:53,108 ? 1231 01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:55,143 Narrator: If it's true that keith raniere 1232 01:01:55,245 --> 01:01:57,646 Fathered a child with kristin snyder, 1233 01:01:57,748 --> 01:02:00,282 She could have been a threat, 1234 01:02:00,384 --> 01:02:03,251 Especially if she had refused to have an abortion, 1235 01:02:03,353 --> 01:02:06,121 As raniere had allegedly convinced other women 1236 01:02:06,256 --> 01:02:08,223 With whom he'd been intimate. 1237 01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:10,726 Snyder's baby would be physical proof 1238 01:02:10,828 --> 01:02:13,428 That raniere was having sex with his followers 1239 01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:16,598 And, even worse, that he could have been manipulating them 1240 01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:20,135 Into unwanted sexual relationships. 1241 01:02:20,237 --> 01:02:24,606 Still, another woman had a child fathered by keith raniere. 1242 01:02:24,708 --> 01:02:30,345 And unlike kristin snyder. She is very much alive. 1243 01:02:30,447 --> 01:02:34,616 She escaped nxivm and went into hiding. 1244 01:02:34,718 --> 01:02:37,452 Her name is kristin keeffe. 1245 01:02:37,554 --> 01:02:41,823 ? 1246 01:02:41,925 --> 01:02:43,125 [ ringing ] 1247 01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:45,160 Keeffe: Hello? Hey, how you doing? 1248 01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:46,394 Hey, good. 1249 01:03:30,641 --> 01:03:32,641 ? 1250 01:03:32,743 --> 01:03:35,010 Kristin keeffe is a mystery. 1251 01:03:35,112 --> 01:03:39,147 No one's ever interviewed her on the record. 1252 01:03:39,249 --> 01:03:45,654 She left raniere and fled with her son, keith's son, 1253 01:03:45,756 --> 01:03:48,423 When he was 7 years old. 1254 01:03:48,525 --> 01:03:51,092 Raniere kept kristin keeffe so skinny 1255 01:03:51,195 --> 01:03:53,094 And on such a restricted diet 1256 01:03:53,197 --> 01:03:55,564 That nobody knew she was pregnant, 1257 01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:58,700 Including kristin herself, 1258 01:03:58,802 --> 01:04:00,602 Until she was eight months pregnant 1259 01:04:00,704 --> 01:04:02,904 And unable to have an abortion. 1260 01:04:03,006 --> 01:04:06,341 Now finally, for the first time, she's ready to talk. 1261 01:04:09,847 --> 01:04:11,580 Kristin knew a lot. 1262 01:04:11,682 --> 01:04:14,149 She knew of a lot of illegal activity. 1263 01:04:14,251 --> 01:04:18,220 Lyons: Leaving nxivm for many people was treacherous ground. 1264 01:04:18,322 --> 01:04:22,324 If a woman impregnated by raniere wanted to leave, 1265 01:04:22,426 --> 01:04:24,726 You look at the case of kristin keeffe. 1266 01:04:24,828 --> 01:04:28,763 Ultimately, when she saw her opening, she just went for it. 1267 01:04:31,902 --> 01:04:34,269 Narrator: Now, for the first time, 1268 01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:38,240 Kristin keeffe will sit down for an on-camera interview. 1269 01:04:40,711 --> 01:04:42,244 My name is kristin keeffe, 1270 01:04:42,346 --> 01:04:45,714 And I was involved with nxivm for 16 years 1271 01:04:45,816 --> 01:04:49,117 And keith raniere for 24 years. 1272 01:04:49,219 --> 01:04:54,556 And I became the primary whistle-blower. 1273 01:04:54,658 --> 01:05:00,729 I left my house with nothing but my pocketbook. 1274 01:05:00,831 --> 01:05:04,232 And I took a taxi to the police station. 1275 01:05:04,334 --> 01:05:07,002 And while I was at the police station, 1276 01:05:07,104 --> 01:05:08,970 The nxivm attorneys found out, 1277 01:05:09,072 --> 01:05:11,907 And the nxivm attorneys called there 1278 01:05:12,009 --> 01:05:14,743 And said, "we know she's there." 1279 01:05:14,845 --> 01:05:17,212 And I said, "that's it. I can never go back." 1280 01:05:17,314 --> 01:05:22,117 I knew they would put millions of dollars into finding me, 1281 01:05:22,219 --> 01:05:27,689 Grabbing me, doing whatever they could to take my son. 1282 01:05:27,791 --> 01:05:30,458 I knew that when I walked into that police station, 1283 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,596 In keith's mind, that was nuclear war. 1284 01:05:34,698 --> 01:05:37,933 No one had ever done anything like that to him before. 1285 01:05:38,035 --> 01:05:42,837 I knew I was being hunted like an animal. 1286 01:05:49,813 --> 01:05:51,813 Okay, let's stop. 1287 01:05:51,915 --> 01:05:53,415 No, I don't want to talk anymore. 1288 01:05:53,517 --> 01:05:54,716 Really, I'm done. 1289 01:05:54,818 --> 01:05:56,518 I don't want to talk anymore. 1290 01:05:56,620 --> 01:05:59,521 ? 1291 01:06:07,764 --> 01:06:12,801 ? 1292 01:06:12,903 --> 01:06:15,337 Narrator: Nxivm insider kristin keeffe 1293 01:06:15,439 --> 01:06:16,738 Is one of the many women 1294 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,442 Nxivm leader keith raniere impregnated. 1295 01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:22,978 Unlike allegedly dozens of others, 1296 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,847 She was not forced to have an abortion. 1297 01:06:25,949 --> 01:06:30,852 When her son was 7 years old, keeffe escaped. 1298 01:06:30,954 --> 01:06:32,887 Due to fears for her son's safety, 1299 01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:35,290 Keeffe is unwilling to discuss him. 1300 01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:38,727 But she agrees to continue divulging what she knows 1301 01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:41,563 About keith raniere and nxivm. 1302 01:06:45,135 --> 01:06:47,035 Keeffe: You know, initially, no one. 1303 01:06:47,137 --> 01:06:48,236 Everyone was against me. 1304 01:06:48,338 --> 01:06:51,840 All the people that were against nxivm were against me, 1305 01:06:51,942 --> 01:06:53,608 And all the people that were in nxivm 1306 01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:56,578 Or that knew about my departure were against me. 1307 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,647 And here I was coming with all this evidence and information 1308 01:06:59,750 --> 01:07:01,383 And saying, "all right." 1309 01:07:01,485 --> 01:07:03,585 And no one would help me. 1310 01:07:03,687 --> 01:07:05,754 Producer: Do you think keith raniere was gonna kill you? 1311 01:07:05,856 --> 01:07:08,289 No, he was gonna kidnap me. 1312 01:07:08,392 --> 01:07:10,592 I decided it was time to leave 1313 01:07:10,694 --> 01:07:16,531 The moment that I realized that keith was a psychopath. 1314 01:07:16,633 --> 01:07:17,866 And it was eerie. 1315 01:07:17,968 --> 01:07:21,102 It was undeniable. I was certain of it. 1316 01:07:21,204 --> 01:07:22,704 Because I think he was 1317 01:07:22,806 --> 01:07:26,674 Absolutely deliberately trying to destroy people. 1318 01:07:26,777 --> 01:07:35,483 ? 1319 01:08:45,188 --> 01:08:47,889 Ross: In dos, he did become violent 1320 01:08:47,958 --> 01:08:51,826 Because he mandated this torturing of women 1321 01:08:51,928 --> 01:08:54,662 Where he would brand his initials 1322 01:08:54,764 --> 01:08:56,831 Using a cauterizing iron. 1323 01:08:56,933 --> 01:08:59,134 It would take 30 minutes. 1324 01:08:59,236 --> 01:09:04,172 People would hold them down on a table, and they would scream. 1325 01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:07,542 They had no local anesthetic. 1326 01:09:07,644 --> 01:09:09,911 And he would watch. 1327 01:09:10,013 --> 01:09:12,347 In the end, keith raniere thought, you know, 1328 01:09:12,482 --> 01:09:16,451 "I am the boss. I can control women." 1329 01:09:16,586 --> 01:09:20,221 You had women who were basically forced, 1330 01:09:20,323 --> 01:09:25,693 Coerced to have sex with keith, which they didn't want to do. 1331 01:09:25,795 --> 01:09:29,898 You had women who were forced to take naked photos of themselves 1332 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,333 Or have others take photos of themselves. 1333 01:09:32,435 --> 01:09:35,937 You had women who were tied down on a board 1334 01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:38,673 And had oral sex performed on them, 1335 01:09:38,775 --> 01:09:41,809 Blindfolded, not knowing who was doing it. 1336 01:09:41,912 --> 01:09:44,145 People get paddled naked. 1337 01:09:44,247 --> 01:09:47,715 These weren't like some polyamorous orgies. 1338 01:09:47,817 --> 01:09:52,921 These were, in fact, terrifying, traumatic instances. 1339 01:09:53,023 --> 01:10:01,763 ? 1340 01:10:01,865 --> 01:10:10,371 ? 1341 01:10:10,473 --> 01:10:13,241 Keeffe: Kristin snider, when she disappeared, 1342 01:10:13,343 --> 01:10:16,244 I was tasked with investigating what happened. 1343 01:10:16,346 --> 01:10:18,580 Parlato: There was an assignment to go to alaska. 1344 01:10:18,682 --> 01:10:20,949 Yes, keith was like, "I want you to go up there 1345 01:10:21,051 --> 01:10:22,550 And talk to everyone." 1346 01:10:22,652 --> 01:10:28,489 And when I got up there and I started interviewing people, 1347 01:10:28,592 --> 01:10:31,859 I started to question, "this just -- 1348 01:10:31,962 --> 01:10:33,228 This isn't adding up." 1349 01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,431 Understand, when the first -- the whole thing first happened, 1350 01:10:36,533 --> 01:10:39,000 The police didn't think it was nxivm's responsibility. 1351 01:10:39,102 --> 01:10:40,835 There wasn't a big investigation. 1352 01:10:40,937 --> 01:10:43,037 The whole thing blew over like that. 1353 01:10:43,139 --> 01:10:47,041 Do you think the police did a thorough job in investigating? 1354 01:10:47,143 --> 01:10:48,509 The alaska state police? 1355 01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:53,281 I don't think that anyone from kris's family 1356 01:10:53,383 --> 01:10:56,050 Represented to the police at the time 1357 01:10:56,152 --> 01:10:59,754 That they felt her disappearance was a result of the training. 1358 01:10:59,856 --> 01:11:01,856 What do you think is the ultimate truth 1359 01:11:01,958 --> 01:11:03,524 About kristin snyder? 1360 01:11:03,627 --> 01:11:05,660 Do you think she died? Do you think she's alive? 1361 01:11:05,762 --> 01:11:07,695 Do you think she committed suicide? 1362 01:11:07,797 --> 01:11:10,131 You've had some time to think about this. 1363 01:11:10,233 --> 01:11:12,367 You were deeply involved investigating this. 1364 01:11:12,469 --> 01:11:13,568 Mm-hmm. 1365 01:11:13,670 --> 01:11:20,174 I think that she did not commit suicide at that time. 1366 01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:23,978 I think she's alive. 1367 01:11:26,116 --> 01:11:28,149 The only thing I'm pretty sure of is, 1368 01:11:28,251 --> 01:11:29,884 The official story is not real. 1369 01:11:29,986 --> 01:11:33,021 Right. Oh, yes. The official story is not real. 1370 01:11:33,123 --> 01:11:35,890 There's a lot of questions that it would be great 1371 01:11:35,992 --> 01:11:37,525 If they were answered. 1372 01:11:37,627 --> 01:11:39,427 And I think heidi knows something. 1373 01:11:39,529 --> 01:11:41,095 Heidi clifford. 1374 01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:48,736 ? 1375 01:11:48,838 --> 01:11:55,843 ? 1376 01:11:55,945 --> 01:12:03,051 ? 1377 01:12:03,153 --> 01:12:04,986 Narrator: Perhaps the most vital witness 1378 01:12:05,088 --> 01:12:07,655 In kristin snyder's disappearance 1379 01:12:07,757 --> 01:12:11,793 Is heidi clifford, snyder's wife. 1380 01:12:11,895 --> 01:12:15,096 She was present in the nxivm training course in alaska 1381 01:12:15,198 --> 01:12:19,133 When kristin was dragged out of the room. 1382 01:12:19,235 --> 01:12:22,970 Heidi clifford probably knows why that happened. 1383 01:12:23,073 --> 01:12:25,773 She may also be able to provide a sample 1384 01:12:25,875 --> 01:12:28,543 Of kristin snyder's handwriting, 1385 01:12:28,645 --> 01:12:34,382 A sample that can be compared to kristin's alleged suicide note. 1386 01:12:37,187 --> 01:12:39,320 Parlato: I've been trying to reach kristin snyder's wife, 1387 01:12:39,422 --> 01:12:41,723 Heidi clifford, for more than a month. 1388 01:12:41,825 --> 01:12:43,925 She finally got back to me. 1389 01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:48,162 I want to get a copy of kristin snyder's handwriting, 1390 01:12:48,264 --> 01:12:50,231 Something that we know she definitely wrote, 1391 01:12:50,333 --> 01:12:54,135 So I can compare it to the purported suicide note. 1392 01:12:54,237 --> 01:12:57,839 The only physical piece of evidence that we have 1393 01:12:57,941 --> 01:13:01,709 That links kristin snyder's death to suicide 1394 01:13:01,845 --> 01:13:03,878 Is that one note. 1395 01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:07,682 ? 1396 01:13:07,784 --> 01:13:09,217 [ speaks indistinctly ] 1397 01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:10,685 Yeah. That all right? 1398 01:13:13,656 --> 01:13:14,856 [ clears throat ] 1399 01:13:14,958 --> 01:13:17,091 Does it start to get cold now? 1400 01:13:20,597 --> 01:13:23,564 Heidi, I want to thank you for coming on-camera 1401 01:13:23,666 --> 01:13:24,866 And talking to me. 1402 01:13:24,968 --> 01:13:31,773 ? 1403 01:13:38,782 --> 01:13:45,887 ? 1404 01:13:45,989 --> 01:13:47,922 Narrator: Heidi clifford was kristin snyder's wife 1405 01:13:48,024 --> 01:13:49,791 Of two years. 1406 01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:52,693 She was in the same nxivm training course with kristin 1407 01:13:52,796 --> 01:13:55,963 Hours before she vanished. 1408 01:13:56,065 --> 01:14:01,002 Due to fear of retaliation by keith raniere's allies, 1409 01:14:01,104 --> 01:14:03,871 She has up to this point only spoken to us 1410 01:14:03,973 --> 01:14:06,574 On the condition of anonymity. 1411 01:14:06,676 --> 01:14:09,076 Now, for the first time, 1412 01:14:09,179 --> 01:14:12,747 Heidi has finally agreed to appear on-camera. 1413 01:14:15,185 --> 01:14:18,853 Yeah, I know you were a little reticent to appear. 1414 01:14:18,955 --> 01:14:21,355 Last week when I first met with the director, 1415 01:14:21,458 --> 01:14:24,592 I didn't even want my voice to be the same voice. 1416 01:14:24,694 --> 01:14:28,062 I didn't want my face to be on the camera. 1417 01:14:28,164 --> 01:14:35,069 I never talked about it at all until today. 1418 01:14:35,171 --> 01:14:37,905 And I'm still scared. 1419 01:14:38,007 --> 01:14:40,007 I ran last the 15, 16 years of my life 1420 01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:42,376 Being scared of these people. 1421 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,345 How do you feel now? 1422 01:14:44,447 --> 01:14:45,847 I'm still scared. [ chuckles ] 1423 01:14:45,949 --> 01:14:48,049 It's still there. 1424 01:14:48,151 --> 01:14:49,784 What do you think happened to her? 1425 01:14:49,886 --> 01:14:54,922 I think keith raniere had inappropriate sex with her, 1426 01:14:55,024 --> 01:14:58,259 Which would have thrown her off her rocker. 1427 01:14:58,361 --> 01:15:03,998 I think if she came home from new york in December or January 1428 01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:08,803 Before the class that we took and maybe she missed her period, 1429 01:15:08,905 --> 01:15:12,073 And then that would have been like, "oh, I am pregnant, 1430 01:15:12,175 --> 01:15:13,875 'cause I didn't have my period." 1431 01:15:13,977 --> 01:15:16,043 So right about that time would've been about a month 1432 01:15:16,145 --> 01:15:19,981 After she left keith in new york. 1433 01:15:20,083 --> 01:15:23,150 And... 1434 01:15:23,253 --> 01:15:28,222 I don't remember if it was that day at lunch or the day before. 1435 01:15:28,324 --> 01:15:29,757 We had rings. 1436 01:15:29,859 --> 01:15:33,261 And she took her ring off at lunch. 1437 01:15:33,363 --> 01:15:35,997 And she said, "can you hold this for me?" 1438 01:15:36,099 --> 01:15:38,466 And I said, "I will hold it for you." 1439 01:15:38,568 --> 01:15:41,035 And I put it in my pocket. 1440 01:15:41,137 --> 01:15:43,404 And again, what we know about keith raniere and nxivm 1441 01:15:43,506 --> 01:15:47,241 Is if you are in a relationship with keith, 1442 01:15:47,343 --> 01:15:49,243 You cannot have a relationship with anybody else. 1443 01:15:49,345 --> 01:15:51,812 Did she ever tell you directly 1444 01:15:51,915 --> 01:15:54,982 That she was pregnant with keith's child? 1445 01:15:55,084 --> 01:15:57,451 When kris was going through this three or four days 1446 01:15:57,554 --> 01:15:59,954 Of just kind of like a psychotic break, 1447 01:16:00,056 --> 01:16:06,060 She reported to me that she was pregnant with keith's baby. 1448 01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:10,131 And I'm like, "what? What are you talking about?" 1449 01:16:10,233 --> 01:16:12,300 And then I heard it more in the class 1450 01:16:12,402 --> 01:16:13,501 When she was yelling it out. 1451 01:16:13,603 --> 01:16:15,403 She actually told that to the class? 1452 01:16:15,505 --> 01:16:16,971 Yelled it. 1453 01:16:19,042 --> 01:16:21,008 They just kept pulling her out of the room, 1454 01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:23,544 Pulling her out of the room, pulling her out of the room. 1455 01:16:23,646 --> 01:16:25,546 This is not just one time. 1456 01:16:25,648 --> 01:16:28,482 This is three or four times she is blurting this out. 1457 01:16:28,585 --> 01:16:31,619 Did you mention that kris might have been pregnant 1458 01:16:31,721 --> 01:16:34,088 To law enforcement in the seward police, 1459 01:16:34,223 --> 01:16:35,723 State troopers? 1460 01:16:35,825 --> 01:16:38,392 No, I was... 1461 01:16:38,494 --> 01:16:39,727 I was pretty much making sure 1462 01:16:39,829 --> 01:16:41,629 That they weren't gonna think I had anything to do with it. 1463 01:16:41,731 --> 01:16:44,565 Do you think the police did a good job investigating this? 1464 01:16:44,667 --> 01:16:46,400 Back then, there's no layers. 1465 01:16:46,502 --> 01:16:48,869 Back then, it was just, "kris is not here. 1466 01:16:48,972 --> 01:16:50,438 Kris is gone." that was it. 1467 01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:51,639 Kayak missing. 1468 01:16:51,741 --> 01:16:53,140 Kayak missing. That's it. 1469 01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:55,643 Now so much more information. 1470 01:16:55,745 --> 01:16:57,645 There's so many layers to this. 1471 01:16:57,747 --> 01:16:59,614 Then you didn't point a finger toward raniere. 1472 01:16:59,716 --> 01:17:01,782 No. Just -- no, not at all. 1473 01:17:01,884 --> 01:17:06,954 Do you have any handwriting samples of kris? 1474 01:17:07,056 --> 01:17:08,623 I was looking through my stuff today. 1475 01:17:08,725 --> 01:17:12,093 I have like one or two notes, not a lot. 1476 01:17:12,161 --> 01:17:14,395 Even something could help us. 1477 01:17:14,497 --> 01:17:19,467 ? 1478 01:17:19,569 --> 01:17:22,370 This is one of the handwriting, very little. 1479 01:17:22,472 --> 01:17:24,071 Valentine's day card. 1480 01:17:26,209 --> 01:17:29,443 February 14, 2001. 1481 01:17:29,545 --> 01:17:32,113 Heidi, this has been very extremely helpful. 1482 01:17:32,215 --> 01:17:33,748 I think we're getting closer. 1483 01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:37,251 It should be tested just to see if they're the same. 1484 01:17:37,353 --> 01:17:39,387 We need to find out. 1485 01:17:41,324 --> 01:17:50,464 ? 1486 01:17:50,566 --> 01:17:51,866 Chrisman: My name is beth chrisman. 1487 01:17:51,968 --> 01:17:54,769 I am a forensic document examiner. 1488 01:17:54,871 --> 01:17:57,471 I examine documents that have been called into question 1489 01:17:57,573 --> 01:18:01,342 Or have some type of maybe alteration to them. 1490 01:18:01,444 --> 01:18:03,978 Typically looking at suicide notes, 1491 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,347 It's about gathering enough handwriting 1492 01:18:06,449 --> 01:18:09,717 From the person who allegedly wrote the suicide note 1493 01:18:09,819 --> 01:18:13,254 And determining whether or not the letter formations, 1494 01:18:13,356 --> 01:18:17,658 Letter-height proportions, slant actually match. 1495 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,126 [ knock on door ] parlato: Beth? 1496 01:18:19,228 --> 01:18:21,028 Chrisman: Yes. Hi. Hi. Frank parlato. 1497 01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:22,063 Nice to meet you, frank. 1498 01:18:22,165 --> 01:18:22,897 Nice to meet you. 1499 01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:24,765 Have a seat. Thank you. 1500 01:18:26,202 --> 01:18:29,203 Chrisman: So what I did in this particular situation 1501 01:18:29,305 --> 01:18:32,106 Was I looked first at this questioned suicide note 1502 01:18:32,208 --> 01:18:35,943 To determine, was it written consistently by one person? 1503 01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:37,044 I looked at the card. 1504 01:18:37,146 --> 01:18:41,749 The card is in a very beautiful cursive writing. 1505 01:18:41,851 --> 01:18:45,886 I broke down each letter formation, stroke formation 1506 01:18:45,988 --> 01:18:49,090 And attempted to do the best comparison possible 1507 01:18:49,192 --> 01:18:53,761 Between this card and this alleged suicide note. 1508 01:18:53,863 --> 01:18:55,329 And then that's where we come in 1509 01:18:55,431 --> 01:18:58,766 With all the differences and the similarities. 1510 01:18:58,868 --> 01:19:03,904 Can you tell me, was the suicide note written by kristin snyder? 1511 01:19:04,006 --> 01:19:07,842 ? 1512 01:19:15,585 --> 01:19:21,288 ? 1513 01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:26,927 ? 1514 01:19:27,029 --> 01:19:28,729 Narrator: Kristin snyder was last seen 1515 01:19:28,831 --> 01:19:32,299 Leaving a nxivm training course in anchorage, alaska. 1516 01:19:32,401 --> 01:19:35,636 Snyder's wife, heidi, revealed that kristin was shouting 1517 01:19:35,738 --> 01:19:37,905 That she was pregnant with raniere's child 1518 01:19:38,007 --> 01:19:43,277 When the nxivm trainers pulled her out of the seminar. 1519 01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:46,647 Frank parlato believes that the reality of her pregnancy 1520 01:19:46,749 --> 01:19:51,085 Could be the motive for her disappearance. 1521 01:19:51,187 --> 01:19:53,788 Given the scale of the search for snyder, 1522 01:19:53,923 --> 01:19:57,458 The fact that nothing, her body, the kayak, 1523 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,196 Or any other clues were ever found is deeply suspect. 1524 01:20:02,298 --> 01:20:04,198 The only piece of physical evidence 1525 01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:07,468 That seems to suggest snyder committed suicide 1526 01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:09,904 Is the suicide note. 1527 01:20:10,006 --> 01:20:15,209 If the note or parts of the note were written by somebody else, 1528 01:20:15,311 --> 01:20:17,545 Law enforcement may have no choice 1529 01:20:17,647 --> 01:20:21,348 But to re-examine the details surrounding this case. 1530 01:20:23,219 --> 01:20:28,522 Can you tell me, was the suicide note written by kristin snyder? 1531 01:20:28,624 --> 01:20:31,158 Chrisman: In the card, she has a very distinct way 1532 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:33,661 That she writes her uppercase "I." 1533 01:20:33,729 --> 01:20:35,930 It's very unique to her. 1534 01:20:36,032 --> 01:20:38,899 This is the way she makes her cursive "I." 1535 01:20:39,001 --> 01:20:41,669 And when she goes to write -- 1536 01:20:41,771 --> 01:20:43,604 Or whoever wrote the alleged suicide note, 1537 01:20:43,706 --> 01:20:46,707 They just wrote an uppercase "I" like we learned in first grade. 1538 01:20:49,879 --> 01:20:52,413 I mean, I think that's very fascinating. 1539 01:20:54,317 --> 01:20:57,852 Because we don't have enough known handwriting samples, 1540 01:20:57,954 --> 01:21:00,354 I can't absolutely identify 1541 01:21:00,456 --> 01:21:03,090 That the same person wrote both of these. 1542 01:21:03,192 --> 01:21:04,225 You can't say. 1543 01:21:04,327 --> 01:21:06,093 You wouldn't say that they're the same. 1544 01:21:06,195 --> 01:21:08,128 I would not say they're the same. 1545 01:21:11,367 --> 01:21:15,069 It leaves the mystery unsolved. 1546 01:21:15,171 --> 01:21:16,537 It does. 1547 01:21:16,639 --> 01:21:24,511 ? 1548 01:21:24,614 --> 01:21:28,082 Parlato: When kristin snyder disappeared in 2003, 1549 01:21:28,184 --> 01:21:31,919 The authorities quickly assumed it was a suicide. 1550 01:21:32,021 --> 01:21:34,755 But after what I've learned in my investigation 1551 01:21:34,857 --> 01:21:36,423 And the first-person accounts 1552 01:21:36,525 --> 01:21:39,526 Of people who were there at the time of her disappearance, 1553 01:21:39,629 --> 01:21:41,028 I have serious doubts 1554 01:21:41,130 --> 01:21:45,199 That kristin snyder took her own life. 1555 01:21:45,301 --> 01:21:47,534 My hope is that this investigation, 1556 01:21:47,637 --> 01:21:49,770 Which is not over, 1557 01:21:49,872 --> 01:21:52,406 Will assure that gina hutchinson, 1558 01:21:52,508 --> 01:21:56,911 Barbara jeske, pam cafritz, and kristin snyder 1559 01:21:57,013 --> 01:21:59,747 Will not have died in vain 1560 01:21:59,849 --> 01:22:02,650 And that everyone whose lives have been damaged 1561 01:22:02,752 --> 01:22:06,320 By nxivm and keith raniere 1562 01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:10,991 Will be able to tell their stories at last. 1563 01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:16,363 Narrator: A year and a half before frank parlato 1564 01:22:16,465 --> 01:22:21,769 Began his investigation into the lost women of nxivm, 1565 01:22:21,871 --> 01:22:25,940 Authorities arrested keith raniere in mexico. 1566 01:22:28,444 --> 01:22:30,844 Lyons: After the new york times published a story, 1567 01:22:30,947 --> 01:22:33,814 Keith raniere was arrested, 1568 01:22:33,916 --> 01:22:37,184 Along with allison mack, clare bronfman, 1569 01:22:37,286 --> 01:22:39,887 Lauren salzman, her mother, nancy salzman, 1570 01:22:39,989 --> 01:22:42,389 Who is the president of nxivm. 1571 01:22:42,491 --> 01:22:44,892 Glazer: There were six people charged. 1572 01:22:44,994 --> 01:22:46,527 Five of them pled guilty. 1573 01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:49,496 The leader, keith raniere, went to trial. 1574 01:22:49,598 --> 01:22:51,165 Man: Keith raniere's been operating 1575 01:22:51,267 --> 01:22:53,534 A very dangerous criminal enterprise 1576 01:22:53,636 --> 01:22:55,803 With his partner, clare bronfman, 1577 01:22:55,905 --> 01:22:57,805 For 20 years now. 1578 01:22:57,907 --> 01:23:02,476 Lyons: The government's case was clearly a boiled-down case. 1579 01:23:02,578 --> 01:23:05,245 They proved every element that they went after. 1580 01:23:05,314 --> 01:23:07,781 And I remember reading the testimony 1581 01:23:07,883 --> 01:23:09,316 And thinking at one point, 1582 01:23:09,418 --> 01:23:11,852 "if this was a heavyweight fight, they'd stop it." 1583 01:23:11,954 --> 01:23:14,254 Self-help guru keith raniere 1584 01:23:14,357 --> 01:23:16,890 Has been convicted of running a sex cult 1585 01:23:16,993 --> 01:23:20,394 Where women were kept as virtual prisoners to service him. 1586 01:23:20,496 --> 01:23:23,797 A jury took less than five hours to decide raniere's fate. 1587 01:23:23,899 --> 01:23:25,566 Raniere will be sentenced on the charges, 1588 01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:27,534 Which include racketeering, sex trafficking, 1589 01:23:27,636 --> 01:23:30,738 And child-porn possession, later this year. 1590 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,341 This trial has revealed that raniere, 1591 01:23:34,443 --> 01:23:39,980 Who portrayed himself as a savant and a genius, 1592 01:23:40,082 --> 01:23:43,951 Was, in fact, a master manipulator, con man, 1593 01:23:44,053 --> 01:23:47,354 And the crime boss of a cult-like organization. 1594 01:23:47,456 --> 01:23:52,192 I would say that there is such a thing as karma. 1595 01:23:54,463 --> 01:23:56,096 There are other victims. 1596 01:23:56,198 --> 01:23:58,032 Not all of them have come forward yet. 1597 01:23:58,134 --> 01:24:00,968 There are still victims who don't dare talk about it, 1598 01:24:01,070 --> 01:24:04,738 Who are still scared to death, living with it. 1599 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,008 He totally controlled people. Everybody. 1600 01:24:08,110 --> 01:24:11,612 The things that they would do for him were believable. 1601 01:24:11,714 --> 01:24:14,248 Woman: Whoa, that was an alpine turn. 1602 01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:16,150 That one just popped off. 1603 01:24:16,252 --> 01:24:18,552 Clifford: I'm always hoping. 1604 01:24:18,654 --> 01:24:21,655 You know, just, like, knock, knock 1605 01:24:21,757 --> 01:24:23,957 And opening the door, and there she is. 1606 01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:25,926 Ross: In the end, keith raniere thought 1607 01:24:26,028 --> 01:24:28,395 "I can dominate any woman." 1608 01:24:28,497 --> 01:24:33,500 But in reality, it was women that brought keith raniere down. 1609 01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:40,641 There's part of me that feels humiliated 1610 01:24:40,743 --> 01:24:42,076 About being involved in that. 1611 01:24:42,178 --> 01:24:46,280 It's hard to explain, you know, that this was a bad guy 1612 01:24:46,382 --> 01:24:49,850 And this was a bad organization doing horrible things. 1613 01:24:49,952 --> 01:24:51,351 I just didn't know. 1614 01:24:51,454 --> 01:24:53,687 Malone: To find out that maybe some of the stuff that you were doing 1615 01:24:53,789 --> 01:24:58,025 Was helping to hurt other people is horrible. 1616 01:24:58,127 --> 01:25:00,494 Lyons: Even as nxivm has been brought to its knees, 1617 01:25:00,596 --> 01:25:01,995 There are still people 1618 01:25:02,098 --> 01:25:06,166 Who are afraid of what they could still do. 1619 01:25:06,268 --> 01:25:12,206 I was very determined at a young age to understand spirituality. 1620 01:25:12,308 --> 01:25:15,876 And, you know, I always thought that would be walking with god. 1621 01:25:15,978 --> 01:25:18,979 I never thought that that might entail walking with the devil. 1622 01:25:19,081 --> 01:25:28,155 ? 1623 01:25:28,257 --> 01:25:36,497 ? 1624 01:25:36,599 --> 01:25:39,700 ? 138748

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