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Come quickly.
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Can you hear it?Or are you deaf?
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Do you hear?
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The wind goes into the pipesand the pipes play.
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It all beganwith this old pipe.
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All of a sudden I heard a whistle,but not a human one.
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I thought, if natureoffers you something like this
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you'd be a foolnot to accept it.
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Nature is my big boss.
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I arrive at a site.And the site speaks to me.
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I hear the site.
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How does a person feel whennature speaks to him?
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You wouldn't be able to understand it.
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Only a true artist would.
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I can tell you no more.
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Come on dad, be nice!-I am.
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So you could say that nature isthe one thing in this world
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that you actually listen to.
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No, not the sole thing,I listen to my wife and daughters too
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but nature...has a tremendous power.
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Nature doesn't talk of Netanyahu at all.You understand?
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What do you mean by that?
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I mean that over there,I don't have to listen to nature.
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Enough with Netanyahu just now.We're here to talk about your art.
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My art is political.
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I respond to eventsin a political way.
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And when they say''Art and politics don't belong together''
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I reply witha single word.
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Guernica.
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What?-Guernica.
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Haven't you heard of Guernica?
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The drawing by Picasso called Guernica.-No.
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Hava...
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Noa...
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Tammy, let's go.
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The guy doesn't knowwhat Guernica is.
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I'm willing to give youa free art course. Absolutely free of charge.
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How's it going?-Don't ask, Hava.
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What happened?-You're lucky not to have come with us.
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The monument is spectacularbut the place looks like...
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A trash heap.-Yes.
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He waited for me andgave me the keys to the tower.
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But the water isn't running.
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Never mind the water not running,see how it all looks like a dump.
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The water should runall the way to the well over there
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and come back here.
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It drives me crazy and I'll fightto the grave and beyond the grave.
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I can't stand my worksnot being properly maintained.
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I'm not going up,I'm no longer able to.
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I'm physically unable to go up.
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When I went to Parisabout two months ago
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one eye went darkin the middle of the flight.
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This I know,you already told me that...
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No, no.
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You were here and youeven admired the pictures.
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Here? Really?-Really. You were here...
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You don't say.-And I see that everything is written.
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I suffer from forgetfulness.I didn't remember being at his office.
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I don't remember any of that.Only his face was familiar.
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This is how it is.
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But this is new?-Yes.
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Little by little, this forgetfulnessbecomes more critical.
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Names I've beenforgetting for years.
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Words, too.Every so often, I lose a word.
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I just don't want to get...What's the name of that illness?
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Where you forgetbasically everything?
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Let's interrupt him.
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Why rush him, Dani?-What do you care?
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You may be able to help me.Have you gone over everything?
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Including that... What's it called?The neurologist's diagnosis.
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Your memory loss could very wellbe something natural that we all experience.
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The more information we absorb,the more we forget
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or believe we forget.
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He just loves to see the doctor.-That's her regular line.
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For him, it's...
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an actual pleasure.-You see?
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He goes to the doctor's like it's a celebration.-That's dirt.
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You want dirt about me?Ask her.
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Me, I'm miserablewhen I have to see a doctor.
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I can only think aboutwhen it will all be over.
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When he goes to the doctor'sit makes him so happy.
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They'll talk about him,then he'll explain
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that he had trouble breathingand that his ear hurt
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and that he's been having problemsand there's someone to listen
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which is pure joy.
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The Axe Majeur of Cergy-Pontoise
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is one of the mostimportant works in my life.
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An urban sculptureof three kilometers.
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I have beenworking on it for 40 years.
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Can you imaginewhat it means?
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To work 40 yearson the same project?
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Your name?-Dani Karavan.
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I like your project.It's amazing.
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Thank you.-It's magnificent.
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I'm proud to live here.-Are you?
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Thank you very much.-Many people come here...
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Yes, I noticeda lot of people just now.
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Thank you very much.-Thank you.
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I'm going to tell everyonethat I ran into you.
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It's set up like a musical piece.
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You don't seeeverything at once.
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It's a piecethat develops over time.
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Time and progress arevery important in all of my works.
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It's a process.
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Look.
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It's amazing from here, dad.-Yeah?
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It's a scandal that they let thevegetation grow and didn't cut it on time.
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It's not my work anymore.It's environmental art.
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It's disrespectfultowards a piece of art.
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It's disrespectful.
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That dirt up there,it's an outrage.
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They should have their armsand legs cut off for allowing this.
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It breaks my heart.
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I did this work...I don't remember when.
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Maybe 20, 30 years ago.
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It's an exitfrom a metro station
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and these cubes insert lightto the garage downstairs.
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And at night, it's as ifthe light from the garage comes out.
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So this worklooks unique at night.
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Hello Hava.
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I'm in Nanterre andeverything looks extraordinary.
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It's a shameyou're not here.
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It's amazing,we should film here at night.
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It's not good,we're not filming this.
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Take a picture of thisfor me, Anne. Could you?
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I'll send it to him.
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Dad, do you want to go near one that's lit?- What for?
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It's not my actual piece,there's no reason to film it.
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It has to be clear this isn'thow a piece of art should be maintained.
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The poles aren't lit,some of the cubes aren't lit.
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Here it's dead,over there it's alive.
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It's an outrage.I won't allow it. I am furious.
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I'm going to write a letter.
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This is out of the question,they need to turn on the light.
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I have more than70 works around the world.
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Many of them arein a very bad state of repair.
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These works will stay here forever.
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And if I won't take care oftheir maintains, nobody will.
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Dani, how long agodid you do this?
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I don't recall dates.
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10 years or 40 years?-Look, the date is written here.
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March 1988. Go back eightyears, so I started it in 1980.
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The water doesn't run here.Shit.
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Water should run here in the canal.They promised me it will.
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Hello?-What's going on?
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The water doesn't run...
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Where?-The water doesn't run.
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How come the water doesn't run?-It just did, a minute ago.
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It didn't.
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It's been a whilesince I climbed here.
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How many stairs are there?-I don't know, I didn't count.
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He wants me to get a stroke.
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You're in good shape Dani.
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Call a...
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Call an ambulance.
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In this work, the voidbetween the shapes is more important
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than the shapes themselves.
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You can't move them one millimeter.
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Try and the entire balanceand shape would be damaged.
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They're not keeping it clean.
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It needs to be cleanedon a daily basis
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just like you do at home.
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Not like an artwork.-And why don't they?
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Ask them.
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Our guest is a sculptor,stage designer and painter
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whose monuments span the globe.
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He has wonthe Israel Prize for sculpture
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the Goslar Kaiser Ringfor Visual Art in Germany
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the Japanese Praemium Imperiale
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and the firstUNESCO Artist of Peace Award.
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Hello Dani Karavan.-Hello.
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Let's discuss the work youhave done here at the Knesset (parliament).
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My dad helped to find this special rockfrom an Arab village in the north.
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Sometimes I wish a stonewould just fall off on someone.
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The biblical verse'The stones of the wall will cry out'
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is sadly falsebecause my stones remain silent.
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What's the storybehind your signature?
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I didn't want to sign it because I believethese things shouldn't be signed.
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I belong to the Renaissance.Michelangelo never signed anything
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no comparison of course.
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People who take an interest in thesethings just find out who the artist is.
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Ultimately, I gave in.But I gave in for a reason.
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I wanted my nameto appear in both Hebrew and Arabic.
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If the work had inscriptionsin both languages
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then it could not be claimed thatArabic was never an official language in Israel.
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I'd like a taxi to8 Eliyahu Sapir Street, Tel Aviv.
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Coming in 5-6 minutes.
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No longer than thatbecause I have a doctor's appointment.
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That's not it.
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Not that either.
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Shekem Taxis?
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I'm waiting for a taxi,is it you?
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No.
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Shekem!
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One of your taxis has justpicked up some woman...
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You're not theonly one on that street.
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He'll be there in 2-3 minutes.
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Hello.
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Labs.
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72.6 kg.I'll remember that.
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I'll get on the scaleat home as well.
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Should I write it down for you?-Yes please.
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What are youcurrently working on?
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I'm working ona Polish commission.
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It's near the Jewish museumwhich is called POLIN. -Yes.
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And outside the museumI'm setting up
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a tribute to Polish righteous gentileswho saved Jews.
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That's what I'm doing right now.
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And it's a veryimportant piece for me.
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The main attribute is thelight coming out from the ground
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since they were the small lightthat persisted in the darkness of that war.
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For me those peopleare superheroes.
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You take all your family in risk
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your children, your brothers,everybody in the risk.
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So this is incredible.Incredible.
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Therefore I believe that whatwe're doing here is very very important.
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And I'm....
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I'm absolutely...
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I hope it will really work.
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And when people will come here,they'll feel something.
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There is avery powerful drive
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which ever since the changeof government has become official
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to identify the Polish righteous
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as representative ofPolish attitudes during the war.
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And this of courseis falsification of history.
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They were a minority. The people they weremost afraid of weren't the Germans
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but their Polish neighbours,who could denounce them to the Germans.
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We cannot deny them recognitionbecause others behaved shamefully.
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We don't wantto provide an alibi to the liars.
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If they use my workto clean off their crimes
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If they use my workto clean off their crimes
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the crimes of...some Poles, not all
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then I'd get terribly upset.And terribly angry.
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I might never forgive myselffor getting involved in this whole thing.
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Anyhow...What?
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This cafe is...Where is it?
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I think it's over there.
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There's no menu,I have no idea about the price.
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Let's just leave without paying.
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No, no.
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We have to go.You want to be paid?
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So where you are?
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OK.
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Where is he?
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We want to pay.-OK, just a moment.
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''Just a moment.''
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We sit and we wait.-There's my colleague and she's waiting.
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No, nobody's there.
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Colleague-shmolleague,they're not there.
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How much we said?About 17.
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Now is not the timeto set up this monument.
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You, an Israeli and a Jew,approve a monument to righteous gentiles
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which is what the Polishgovernment has been promoting recently.
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They're claimingthat numerous Poles had saved Jews
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and deserve recognitionas ''Righteous Among the Nations''.
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I don't want to cancel.I'm in favor of keeping this option open
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because governments change.
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People cannot be changed.
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There can beanother government
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that would issue other laws,which could be sensible.
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You better take this idea somewhere else.- Not possible. No way.
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Every idea belongs to a certain place.Site-specific, as they say.
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You've created wonderful pieces.
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You really don't needa piece that's problematic.
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It's problematic froma Jewish perspective
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from a national perspective
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and it's historically problematic.
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Yad Vashem has recognized6.883 Poles as righteous gentiles
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on the basis ofsome very strict criteria.
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Suppose the actual numberis three times that.
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We can't tell for certain.
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People died or were killed without anyoneknowing they had tried to rescue Jews.
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Suppose we take that andadd those who did not rescue Jews
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but helped them in some way.
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So you multiply the numberof righteous gentiles by three
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and thenmultiply the result by five.
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Why five?
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No special reason.-OK.
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You end up with some 100.000 people.-Yes.
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Poland had 21 million ethnic Poles,with Jews all over.
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You'd find Jews inthe smallest village.
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So 100.000 Poles werenot hostile towards the Jews.
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What about theremaining 20.900.000?
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That's whyI support your project.
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It draws attention to that.-I see.
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To the few versus the many.
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And it also has a messagethat there was another way.
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That's the thing.
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If I put myself in your positionand in your head, I would
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stick to the initial ideabecause I think it's more important than ever.
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If you remember what you havewritten yourself in this circle, it says:
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''Only morality in our actionscan give beauty and dignity to our life.''
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This is a beautiful thing you're making
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with the water.
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Are you proud sometimeswhen you see some of your old works?
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Do they make you feel happy?-Yes, yes.
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Good.
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It was a time that I wasalways not in peace with my works.
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I thought they should be better
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and I want to destroy them.
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But after some time,I became...
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More gentle with yourself.-Yes.
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Now I'm a little bitmaturer I think.
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So I'm notreally stupid like I was.
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It's about time,now that you're 87.
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87 and a half.
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He's incredible.
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I love that in his work, that heleaves so much space for every viewer
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to dream himselfor herself in it.
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I mean, I could come hereevery day and sit here and...
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be happy.
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You are too fast.
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I don't hear,I don't hear.
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I love him because of his youthfulnessand because of his endless optimism.
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He really still hasthe child in him all the time.
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Look, look, look.
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Look how beautiful this tree is.
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Look, it's like a drawing.-Yes.
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Look, look, look.Look!
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Do you know any sculptor thatcould create something like that? I don't.
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Look at this,the design of this one.
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Who designed it?It's done by itself?
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Because it's a patternand it will always be the same
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in another thousand yearswhen we're long forgotten
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it would still be the same.
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No, we are never forgotten.Never.
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You and me,we will never be forgotten.
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What do you think you will be remembered forand is there something you still wanna do
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to what other peoplewill remember you for?
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The Garden of Finzi Continis.
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The garden which not exist.
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The non-existing garden.But you wanna make it exist.
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And the imagination.-I want to make it as an emptiness.
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Emptiness is thetoughest thing to produce.
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But it’s themost beautiful thing.
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The emptiness isreally the void between two.
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This is the tension.
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Let me see your hands.
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Let me see your hands, Dani.
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I love your hands, Dani.
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Your hands are full of wisdom.
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Put them in front of your face.
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A little bit more this way.
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That's it.
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I love it.
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Thank you.
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From here and up,the hills don't get any higher.
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But the valuesgo deeper and deeper.
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It's the valleys.-Valleys, yes.
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Because if the values godeeper and deeper, then we're in trouble.
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We're in trouble,you don't know?
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So you're makinga tour of all your works?
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You're also going to Korea?
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No, no. It's too farand I'm too old to travel.
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Here it says Mauthausen.-Which is?
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Mauthausen.You don't know this name?
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Buchenwald.
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Buchenwald.
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If you look closely, you'll see thatthe Reichstag triangle reflects this one.
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That's somethingI hadn't thought of.
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It's one of those things that yourealize and then your hair stands on edge.
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The flower was theinitial idea of this work.
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These were the Romanis' graves.
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The wild flowersgrew on their graves.
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Then I thought:How do I protect this flower?
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Then came the water.
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There's a small animal here
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which runs away.
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The wild flowerdisappears right here.
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At 13:00 sharp it reappearswith a different flower.
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Always at the same time.
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The flower just changed,Hava. Just now.
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Well this is the dark water.
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If you look into the dark water
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the silentnesswhich it suggests
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like a centerto get aware of yourself.
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To get aware of yourselfneeds to look into your own dark side.
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The genius of Daniis to imagine
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what kind of needa person who wants to memorize.
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The simplicity,as well as the beauty of the make of it
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that is theeffectiveness of him which
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comes to my heart and...
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that's the gift.
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I never believed I would createso many works in Germany. Especially in Nuremberg.
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- EVERY PERSON HAS THE RIGHT FOR A HOMELAND -
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It's one of my most important works,especially because of its political impact.
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This work changed Nuremberg from the cityof the racial laws to the city of human rights.
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You brought only the winter sketch, right?-I have no idea. This is what she gave me.
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Ok then. Over thereshould have been azure.
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Blue in the middle.-That's wrong too. It's yellow.
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And this needs to be fixed.
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Correct?
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This flower there is overgrown.
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It's like Israel,occupying any territory.
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Maybe it should betaken out altogether.
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All of it?-Yes, until further notice.
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This is Lital.
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She took partin designing the square.
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Why didn't you planany shade here?
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How exactly? By planting trees?-Yes.
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Yeah?Then it wouldn't be a square.
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Or maybe artificial shade.
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Have you ever seena square that's artificially shaded?
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Even in winter it's very hot in here.-The whole world comes here in winter.
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If you can't listenthen there's no point talking.
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00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360
-I'm listening.No, you interrupt everything I say.
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People sit here,enjoying themselves
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at least 8 months a year,enjoying a bit of sun. That's all.
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It's the Middle East, we're hot.
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At least have shade over there...
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Hold on just one minute...-People are avoiding the square.
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This square is a global success,there's no other one like it.
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Listen.-No, I'm fed up with you.
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You would kill beautyto have some shade.
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No, I think that...-OK.
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Let's go.I'm tired of him.
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He's a pain in the butt.
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You are just...
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totally obsessedwith this shade nonsense.
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They want a pergola.Unbelievable.
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It's driving you crazy.-Of course, because it's idiotic.
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Just think about the world's famoussquares with artificial shade, God forbid.
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The Piazza Navona with a pergola?The main square in Sienna with a pergola?
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San Marco Square with a pergola?What would that look like?
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Yes, he could havecome up with a solution for the shade.
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It doesn't necessarily mean a proper roof.But he insists.
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I can't tell you howto plan the square with shade.
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We were talking behind your back.-I know.
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I don't know how to do it.If you do, go ahead, plan it.
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I don't know how to do thisbut I can tell you one thing.
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You wouldn't believe how many peopleapproach me to say 'Thank you so much'.
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You've seen them.-I have.
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There's noconstant shade here either.
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That's why it's so stupid.Shade isn't static, it moves.
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The Square of Culture toohas times where the building provides shade.
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At other times it doesn't.But the trees and the arbor still do.
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There is shade.It's just that people are...
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bastards.
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I am very sensitive to criticism.Especially when it's untrue.
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And what if it's true?
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There has never beena criticism about me that was true.
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It sounds like you're saying:''I always do everything great''.
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If I didn’t think that wayI'd stop doing.
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I'm sure I'm doing the best,my utmost best.
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What is yourtouch here as an artist?
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The proportions.
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That's the entire story?-Yes.
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You know what?That's the story.
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The distance from this wall to that wall,between here and there.
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Does looking at itmake you feel good?
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Does it annoy you or not?That's exactly it.
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But what did you do? You threwsome cactuses and circled them.
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I didn't throw them.
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I measured the space,I decided about the distances
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I established the proportionsto make this look right.
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If it was smaller, it would have been less good.If it was bigger, it would have been worst.
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These are the exact measurementsand that's my touch.
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And I still insist that this workis very very very very simple.
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That's the beauty of it.
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There's nothingmore beautiful than simplicity.
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The simpler it is,the happier I am for having done that.
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Simplicity is themost complicated thing.
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I have a piece in Nitzana, a hundred pillarsset up towards the Egyptian border.
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Each bearing the word ''Peace''in 100 different languages.
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Now they want to build a neighbourhood there.Once they do it, the whole thing is over.
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Can you imagine thehouses they'll build here?
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The ugliness of it all?It's outrageous.
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It'll look just likeTel Aviv's suburbs. Disgusting.
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You want us to staya 90-family community forever?
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That I maintainthe Egyptian border with 90 families?
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The desert is enormous,build wherever you want.
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Keep off this thing.I am an artist of the location.
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None of my workshas ever been transferred.
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It's because the work belongs here.The location is part of it.
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I don't care. If they asked meto set up a piece over there
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I might have donesomething else. That's it.
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I suggest...-No suggestions.
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Dani.-Your suggestion is rejected.
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Let's just take a moment to see it.-No problem.
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Ultimately, it's your decision.-I've already made my decision.
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Let's just take a look.-OK, I don't mind looking.
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You see what's going on here?-I don't care.
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Come on, Dani. Open your mind.You can't be this strict.
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You didn't understand me.
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But never mind.
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I might be forcedto blow up the entire piece.
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Once this piece loses its meaning,then it should cease to exist.
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What are you drawing today?
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Some landscape.
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What if you draw from memory?-You can't draw landscapes from memory.
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I mean inventing a landscape.-You don't invent landscapes.
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Landscapes should be drawn on site.
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I can't compete with nature.
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What do you want to listen to?-Bach.
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Which piece?-Anything. A cantata.
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What's the most challengingobstacle you had overcome?
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Something you thought was sodifficult that it couldn't be overcome?
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Well, anythingI ever confronted.
501
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I was always sureI wouldn't succeed.
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Like what?You mean work?
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Of course.
504
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It's not that obvious,there are other things apart from work.
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Work isn't the only thing.
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Nothing is more importantthan work for me.
507
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,240
Disgusting.How can you even say that?
508
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,920
And with mesitting here. So rude.
509
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,240
You think it's normalto tell your daughter
510
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,640
that nothing's more importantthan your work?
511
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,320
You're not 20, you know.
512
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,840
How can you actuallysay such a thing out loud?
513
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,360
Do I really need toexplain myself all the time?
514
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600
You're saying some tough words.-Enough, I can't draw like this.
515
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520
You'll manage.
516
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,080
I can't...I'll make coffee.
517
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,160
Perhaps you make it?-No, I'm not making coffee
518
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,240
for a father saying suchthings to his own daughter.
519
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920
And how can youdraw so many hearts
520
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,240
while you're hearing words like that?-It's what helps me survive your words.
521
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,160
I'd paint the entiresheet black if I were you.
522
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,800
You are so, so lucky.
523
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,800
I'm lucky.
524
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,960
I don't thinkwe'll keep drawing together.
525
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:24,200
I wanted the flowersto be arranged according to my sketch.
526
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,760
It's outrageous what I see here.
527
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Where didthat purple line come from?
528
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,040
There's a specific planthat should be followed.
529
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,320
They're pissing all over me.-But it's amazing.
530
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,760
It would have been even more amazingif they followed my instructions.
531
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,960
You don'tplant such small flowers.
532
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,080
You should haveplants that are grown-up.
533
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,760
This tree is about to die.Someone has to look into it.
534
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,000
It grows on aconcrete floor, that's right.
535
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,640
But this soil needs to sustain it.Or it should be enriched with something.
536
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,200
I saw this coming five years ago.I said, ''Look up there''.
537
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,200
5, 6 or even 10 years thatI've been saying this and nothing is done.
538
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,400
Until it finally diesand needs to be removed.
539
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Look at the state of these cactuses.
540
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,320
The number of timesI complained about this...
541
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,760
Where is their gardening sense?How can a gardener treat his garden like this?
542
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,560
This work is my daughter, my son.I created it, see?
543
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,800
You probably didn't noticethat the pool and the garden
544
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,120
have exactlythe same proportions.
545
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,760
It's elementary.-Oh yes, elementary.
546
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,160
You'd have done the same thing.-Of course.
547
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Any second-year art studentcould have designed this square.
548
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,680
Most of them could...Not all of them.
549
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,200
Hello.-Hello. How do you do?
550
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Hello sir, nice to meet you.-Hello.
551
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Did you call me ''Sir''?My oh my.
552
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,240
I supposeit will be 90 seconds long.
553
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000
A bit longer.-Really?
554
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,760
It's a project we're doing.
555
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,240
Will it be on the news channel?-Yes.
556
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,960
When will they broadcast this?-In a few weeks.
557
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,520
Let us know when.-Of course.
558
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,080
OK.
559
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,640
OK?
560
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,680
How would you describe your workat the POLIN Museum?
561
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,800
Is it unique compared to other works?-No, it isn't.
562
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Is it more emotional?-It's not special.
563
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,800
It's about the place, about the subject,like any of my other works.
564
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,840
So are you taking it in a purelyprofessional way?
565
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Or are you also emotionally involved?-Of course it's...
566
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,360
It does excite mejust by realizing
567
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,560
that I'm doingsomething important
568
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,240
commemoratingall those brave people.
569
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,520
These righteous gentilesreally are a tiny minority
570
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,200
within theentire Polish population.
571
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,200
And here,they chose an Israeli artist...
572
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,240
The mostsuccessful Israeli artist.
573
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,920
Not the most successful.Just successful.
574
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,040
An award-winning artistwho is then used
575
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,240
as means of whitewashing,of serving Poland
576
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,720
rather than as...
577
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,080
It doesn't serve the Poles.
578
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,560
It only serves those Poleswho had risked their lives to save Jews
579
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:41,200
putting their families and themselvesat risk amidst a hostile environment
580
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,480
and that's the only thingthat this work celebrates.
581
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,040
Anyone can thinkwhatever they want. I don't care.
582
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,680
I don't needanyone lecturing me...
583
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,720
On Poland,or on anything else.
584
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,480
If someone uses me,how can I help it?
585
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,400
It is indeed problematic.
586
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,440
The whole thingis very problematic.
587
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,920
If I knew it before,I might have declined the offer.
588
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,880
Really?-Yes.
589
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Good morning, Dani Karavan here.How are you?
590
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,960
Alright.
591
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,720
Can I talk to the professor?
592
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,800
Good, thank you.
593
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,720
I've got this terrible weakness.
594
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,800
I've had it for a week now. My doctoradvised that I should go to the hospital.
595
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,640
I'm definitely not entering the ER.
596
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,600
We can film two pieces of minein his department.
597
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,440
We already have,don't you remember?
598
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,080
No.
599
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,680
Do you remember it, Kobi?-Yes.
600
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Well, you're no longer 20.It's OK to forget.
601
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,960
They'll kill me.
602
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Who will?
603
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,760
This whole...
604
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,880
Wasting time thing.
605
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,320
Waiting and waiting...
606
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,000
It's bad enough to await deathwithout waiting here too.
607
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,920
Hello. (Arabic)
608
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,960
Good evening everyone.
609
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,520
We're meeting this evening forthe world's biggest Arabic lesson ever.
610
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,840
We invite a dear friend,Israel Prize recipient Dani Karavan
611
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,400
who designed theSquare of Culture where we are
612
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,320
to say a few words.
613
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,800
First of all, I'd like to thankeveryone who's here tonight
614
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,360
who came to protestthe fascist Nation-State Law.
615
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,520
They sit in front ofmy work in the Knesset
616
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:34,640
where the stones bear Hebrew and Arabicinscriptions that cannot be erased.
617
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,480
So let them take a good look,and then go to hell.
618
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,800
Well said brother.You are like a father to us.
619
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,880
More like a grandfather.-You're a father.
620
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,160
I'm 54 years old.-I'm 88.
621
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,680
All citizens are equal,Jews and Arabs!
622
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,680
All citizens are equal,Jews and Arabs!
623
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,720
All citizens are equal,Jews and Arabs!
624
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,440
Jews and Arabsrefuse to be enemies!
625
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,200
We're not afraid,we're the people of this country! (Arabic)
626
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,320
We're not afraid,we're the people of this country! (Arabic)
627
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,000
In hints of lightningthe storm gave notice.
628
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,080
In hieroglyphs of fire– signs, signs, signs.
629
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:21,880
Soon it caught the forest boughs,and they were indifferent, unseeing!
630
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,320
In the treetops it waslike a slaughterer’s knife.
631
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,480
Running from branch to branch.Unstoppable plunder.
632
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,800
It came as judgement day.
633
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,720
They call it sudden,but it was punishment for deafness.
634
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,440
Take care, bye.
635
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520
So how is theatmosphere in Warsaw now?
636
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,760
Rather bad.-Bad? OK.
637
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,920
Within a month or twoit will be clear whether the government
638
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,800
has decided to continuetheir outrageous campaign
639
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,880
or whether they havedecided to back down.
640
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,560
Right now I must sayI'm very glad
641
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:19,960
that we were not ableto complete the project now, as I had hoped.
642
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,480
To inaugurate the projectright now would be a disaster.
643
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:32,160
But why do you say that if we couldinaugurate it now it would be a disaster?
644
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:39,040
Because it would beinstrumentalized by the Polish government
645
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,680
and support the government'sposition of that horrible law they passed.
646
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,840
Do you thinkthis project could be absolutely...
647
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,040
Dead?Will be dead completely.
648
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,320
We will know that in May at the latestand then we could reach our decision.
649
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:05,320
We might want to freeze the projectfor a moment. I had never said back down
650
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,880
but freeze.
651
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,080
When did you havethe pacemaker implanted?
652
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,240
I can't remember.5 years. Maybe 10, 8.
653
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,000
This place is like hell.
654
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,760
It demonstrates whata person goes through in hell.
655
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,960
I can't find my card.
656
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,320
I can't find it.-Look for it at home, it's fine.
657
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,320
OK.
658
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,200
They'll issue you a new one.-Good, thank you.
659
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,400
And if it pops upwe'll keep it for you.
660
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,280
How do you get out of here?I can't remember where the elevators are.
661
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,320
Give me a call.
662
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,040
I think I also lost my mobile.
663
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Or it might have been stolen.
664
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,360
''The number you have dialed is unavailable.''-OK, I see. Call Hava.
665
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,360
In case I left it at home.
666
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,480
I didn't,as far as I can remember.
667
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,000
That's just what I need,to lose my phone.
668
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,320
I'm confused, I can't...
669
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,560
Something's wrong.I'm just confused.
670
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,800
You should stop filming.-Why?
671
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,960
Because you don't have a client.
672
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,560
You are not the client, you are the hero.-I'm the hero, fine.
673
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:30,240
What kind of a hero...I'm a rag, not a hero.
674
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,680
She's not answering.
675
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,200
Hava, did I leavemy phone at home?
676
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,080
Then it's gone.
677
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,880
I lost that card too.
678
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,320
I just can't go outon my own anymore, Hava.
679
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,800
You hear me, Hava?It's over. I have no memory.
680
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,720
I don't understandwhat's happening to me.
681
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,880
It suddenly dawned on me
682
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,080
that death is on the doorstep.
683
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,240
It turned my whole worldupside down.
684
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,080
All of a sudden.
685
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,760
I don't plan goodbyes.
686
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,880
No goodbye planned.
687
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,320
I can't imagineliving without Hava.
688
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,480
I won't allow you to.-I don't want to lose her, no way.
689
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,560
As soon as I'm goneyou'll have 50 chicks on the doorstep.
690
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:07,000
No way will I allow himto live without Hava, no way.
691
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,160
We'll manage...-Together.
692
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,280
We need to die together.
693
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:19,160
When one has to die, the other...-I suggest we change the subject.
694
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,280
- A conference in honor of Dani Karavan -
695
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,240
You've got somethingin your eye.
696
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,160
You need to look your bestfor everyone who's coming.
697
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,560
Leave it.-But you need to take it out.
698
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,520
People are comingto celebrate your birthday.
699
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,120
And what's that in your ear?-That's to help me hear.
700
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,280
That thing?-Yes, it's a hearing aid.
701
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,000
And does it help you?
702
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,640
In one ear I can hear without it.In the other one I'm practically deaf.
703
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,760
All in all, you're in apretty bad state of repair. -Exactly.
704
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,200
We want to live longer, right?
705
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,880
So this is the price we pay.
706
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,520
We wander out in the open
707
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:39,280
and we are in a continuous relationshipwith everything that surrounds us:
708
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,800
Works of architecture
709
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,240
large open spaces,environmental edifices.
710
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:56,400
These structures areconstantly talking to us and educating us.
711
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:05,400
And whether we want it or not,we are under constant ideologic attack of values.
712
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:12,800
So anyone taking partin creating this space is engaged in political work.
713
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,160
''Passages - Homage to Walter Benjamin'',at Portbou.
714
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,920
It's difficultto imagine a work of art
715
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:37,960
that expresses the horror of thosecontradictory, opposing sentiments
716
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,120
of longing and fear,hope and danger
717
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:48,000
by someone who hasnever been a refugee himself.
718
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,720
I asked Dani,''Where is this coming from?''
719
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:02,520
When you look at this piece,where a person slides down this dark, rusty tunnel
720
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,480
eventually reaching a point where,in order to get into the water
721
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,240
he must diveright into the turbulence
722
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,920
on top of the barrier of tempered glassthat is penetrated by bullets.
723
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,040
How could he understandwhat a refugee feels like?
724
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,640
Dani claimedit was the restrictions.
725
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,160
''The budget was so-and-so,that material wasn't available...''
726
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Don't believe him.There are always restrictions.
727
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,520
But they can't explainthe message of the work.
728
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,080
That's why you area politician, Dani.
729
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,560
And an educator.
730
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:22,560
I'm very excited that youhave come to see my exhibition.
731
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,520
I'm very sorrythat I wasn't able to be with you.
732
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,600
I am, after all, 90 years oldand it's not easy for me.
733
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:44,360
I hope you can sense the political messageI have been trying to convey.
734
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,680
Of not giving up.Of fighting for the rights of the other.
735
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,920
For the Palestinians' rightto live in a democracy.
736
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,040
I believe in hope,but I won't wait 2.000 years.
737
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,080
It must happen tomorrow.
65817
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