1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,760 Come quickly. 4 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,680 Can you hear it? Or are you deaf? 5 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Do you hear? 6 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,800 The wind goes into the pipes and the pipes play. 7 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,280 It all began with this old pipe. 8 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,560 All of a sudden I heard a whistle, but not a human one. 9 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,680 I thought, if nature offers you something like this 10 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,560 you'd be a fool not to accept it. 11 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,280 Nature is my big boss. 12 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,840 I arrive at a site. And the site speaks to me. 13 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,320 I hear the site. 14 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,600 How does a person feel when nature speaks to him? 15 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,880 You wouldn't be able to understand it. 16 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Only a true artist would. 17 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,280 I can tell you no more. 18 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Come on dad, be nice! -I am. 19 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:09,520 So you could say that nature is the one thing in this world 20 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,160 that you actually listen to. 21 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,200 No, not the sole thing, I listen to my wife and daughters too 22 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,440 but nature... has a tremendous power. 23 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Nature doesn't talk of Netanyahu at all. You understand? 24 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,920 What do you mean by that? 25 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,480 I mean that over there, I don't have to listen to nature. 26 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Enough with Netanyahu just now. We're here to talk about your art. 27 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,640 My art is political. 28 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,560 I respond to events in a political way. 29 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,320 And when they say ''Art and politics don't belong together'' 30 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,280 I reply with a single word. 31 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Guernica. 32 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,680 What? -Guernica. 33 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,200 Haven't you heard of Guernica? 34 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,800 The drawing by Picasso called Guernica. -No. 35 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,960 Hava... 36 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,160 Noa... 37 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Tammy, let's go. 38 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,800 The guy doesn't know what Guernica is. 39 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:16,040 I'm willing to give you a free art course. Absolutely free of charge. 40 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,800 How's it going? -Don't ask, Hava. 41 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,200 What happened? -You're lucky not to have come with us. 42 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,240 The monument is spectacular but the place looks like... 43 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,280 A trash heap. -Yes. 44 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:43,240 He waited for me and gave me the keys to the tower. 45 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,760 But the water isn't running. 46 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,400 Never mind the water not running, see how it all looks like a dump. 47 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,680 The water should run all the way to the well over there 48 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,920 and come back here. 49 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:04,280 It drives me crazy and I'll fight to the grave and beyond the grave. 50 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,880 I can't stand my works not being properly maintained. 51 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,200 I'm not going up, I'm no longer able to. 52 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,880 I'm physically unable to go up. 53 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,400 When I went to Paris about two months ago 54 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,160 one eye went dark in the middle of the flight. 55 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,800 This I know, you already told me that... 56 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:02,680 No, no. 57 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,960 You were here and you even admired the pictures. 58 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Here? Really? -Really. You were here... 59 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,040 You don't say. -And I see that everything is written. 60 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,440 I suffer from forgetfulness. I didn't remember being at his office. 61 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,080 I don't remember any of that. Only his face was familiar. 62 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,680 This is how it is. 63 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:36,320 But this is new? -Yes. 64 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,000 Little by little, this forgetfulness becomes more critical. 65 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Names I've been forgetting for years. 66 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Words, too. Every so often, I lose a word. 67 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,600 I just don't want to get... What's the name of that illness? 68 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,960 Where you forget basically everything? 69 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,720 Let's interrupt him. 70 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,680 Why rush him, Dani? -What do you care? 71 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,760 You may be able to help me. Have you gone over everything? 72 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Including that... What's it called? The neurologist's diagnosis. 73 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:31,960 Your memory loss could very well be something natural that we all experience. 74 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,880 The more information we absorb, the more we forget 75 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,480 or believe we forget. 76 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,760 He just loves to see the doctor. -That's her regular line. 77 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,040 For him, it's... 78 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,760 an actual pleasure. -You see? 79 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,560 He goes to the doctor's like it's a celebration. -That's dirt. 80 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,240 You want dirt about me? Ask her. 81 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Me, I'm miserable when I have to see a doctor. 82 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,600 I can only think about when it will all be over. 83 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,160 When he goes to the doctor's it makes him so happy. 84 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,160 They'll talk about him, then he'll explain 85 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,680 that he had trouble breathing and that his ear hurt 86 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,160 and that he's been having problems and there's someone to listen 87 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,520 which is pure joy. 88 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 The Axe Majeur of Cergy-Pontoise 89 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,680 is one of the most important works in my life. 90 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,440 An urban sculpture of three kilometers. 91 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,320 I have been working on it for 40 years. 92 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,040 Can you imagine what it means? 93 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,720 To work 40 years on the same project? 94 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,240 Your name? -Dani Karavan. 95 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,000 I like your project. It's amazing. 96 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,640 Thank you. -It's magnificent. 97 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,640 I'm proud to live here. -Are you? 98 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,000 Thank you very much. -Many people come here... 99 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Yes, I noticed a lot of people just now. 100 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Thank you very much. -Thank you. 101 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,120 I'm going to tell everyone that I ran into you. 102 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,760 It's set up like a musical piece. 103 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,880 You don't see everything at once. 104 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,960 It's a piece that develops over time. 105 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,960 Time and progress are very important in all of my works. 106 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,320 It's a process. 107 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Look. 108 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,000 It's amazing from here, dad. -Yeah? 109 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:09,640 It's a scandal that they let the vegetation grow and didn't cut it on time. 110 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,920 It's not my work anymore. It's environmental art. 111 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,480 It's disrespectful towards a piece of art. 112 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,320 It's disrespectful. 113 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,720 That dirt up there, it's an outrage. 114 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,840 They should have their arms and legs cut off for allowing this. 115 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,640 It breaks my heart. 116 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,600 I did this work... I don't remember when. 117 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Maybe 20, 30 years ago. 118 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,640 It's an exit from a metro station 119 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,960 and these cubes insert light to the garage downstairs. 120 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,800 And at night, it's as if the light from the garage comes out. 121 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,760 So this work looks unique at night. 122 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,120 Hello Hava. 123 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,880 I'm in Nanterre and everything looks extraordinary. 124 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,000 It's a shame you're not here. 125 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,760 It's amazing, we should film here at night. 126 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,400 It's not good, we're not filming this. 127 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Take a picture of this for me, Anne. Could you? 128 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,640 I'll send it to him. 129 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,720 Dad, do you want to go near one that's lit? - What for? 130 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,760 It's not my actual piece, there's no reason to film it. 131 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:02,040 It has to be clear this isn't how a piece of art should be maintained. 132 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,400 The poles aren't lit, some of the cubes aren't lit. 133 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:07,960 Here it's dead, over there it's alive. 134 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,840 It's an outrage. I won't allow it. I am furious. 135 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,160 I'm going to write a letter. 136 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,840 This is out of the question, they need to turn on the light. 137 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,600 I have more than 70 works around the world. 138 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,160 Many of them are in a very bad state of repair. 139 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,600 These works will stay here forever. 140 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,640 And if I won't take care of their maintains, nobody will. 141 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,320 Dani, how long ago did you do this? 142 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,960 I don't recall dates. 143 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,760 10 years or 40 years? -Look, the date is written here. 144 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:38,040 March 1988. Go back eight years, so I started it in 1980. 145 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,600 The water doesn't run here. Shit. 146 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,200 Water should run here in the canal. They promised me it will. 147 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,320 Hello? -What's going on? 148 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,160 The water doesn't run... 149 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,600 Where? -The water doesn't run. 150 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,040 How come the water doesn't run? -It just did, a minute ago. 151 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,560 It didn't. 152 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,440 It's been a while since I climbed here. 153 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,720 How many stairs are there? -I don't know, I didn't count. 154 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,400 He wants me to get a stroke. 155 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,600 You're in good shape Dani. 156 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Call a... 157 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,720 Call an ambulance. 158 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,520 In this work, the void between the shapes is more important 159 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:54,880 than the shapes themselves. 160 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,880 You can't move them one millimeter. 161 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Try and the entire balance and shape would be damaged. 162 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,400 They're not keeping it clean. 163 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,560 It needs to be cleaned on a daily basis 164 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,720 just like you do at home. 165 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,760 Not like an artwork. -And why don't they? 166 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,440 Ask them. 167 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Our guest is a sculptor, stage designer and painter 168 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,600 whose monuments span the globe. 169 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,200 He has won the Israel Prize for sculpture 170 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,680 the Goslar Kaiser Ring for Visual Art in Germany 171 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,280 the Japanese Praemium Imperiale 172 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,480 and the first UNESCO Artist of Peace Award. 173 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,640 Hello Dani Karavan. -Hello. 174 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Let's discuss the work you have done here at the Knesset (parliament). 175 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:32,240 My dad helped to find this special rock from an Arab village in the north. 176 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Sometimes I wish a stone would just fall off on someone. 177 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,000 The biblical verse 'The stones of the wall will cry out' 178 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,600 is sadly false because my stones remain silent. 179 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,400 What's the story behind your signature? 180 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,120 I didn't want to sign it because I believe these things shouldn't be signed. 181 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,480 I belong to the Renaissance. Michelangelo never signed anything 182 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,400 no comparison of course. 183 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,920 People who take an interest in these things just find out who the artist is. 184 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Ultimately, I gave in. But I gave in for a reason. 185 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,520 I wanted my name to appear in both Hebrew and Arabic. 186 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,640 If the work had inscriptions in both languages 187 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,600 then it could not be claimed that Arabic was never an official language in Israel. 188 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,520 I'd like a taxi to 8 Eliyahu Sapir Street, Tel Aviv. 189 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,800 Coming in 5-6 minutes. 190 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,520 No longer than that because I have a doctor's appointment. 191 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:02,840 That's not it. 192 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,640 Not that either. 193 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,360 Shekem Taxis? 194 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,920 I'm waiting for a taxi, is it you? 195 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,040 No. 196 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,520 Shekem! 197 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,840 One of your taxis has just picked up some woman... 198 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,080 You're not the only one on that street. 199 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,200 He'll be there in 2-3 minutes. 200 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,520 Hello. 201 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,360 Labs. 202 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,360 72.6 kg. I'll remember that. 203 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,640 I'll get on the scale at home as well. 204 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,200 Should I write it down for you? -Yes please. 205 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,520 What are you currently working on? 206 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,760 I'm working on a Polish commission. 207 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,480 It's near the Jewish museum which is called POLIN. -Yes. 208 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,280 And outside the museum I'm setting up 209 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:47,160 a tribute to Polish righteous gentiles who saved Jews. 210 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,240 That's what I'm doing right now. 211 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,880 And it's a very important piece for me. 212 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:02,040 The main attribute is the light coming out from the ground 213 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:10,520 since they were the small light that persisted in the darkness of that war. 214 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,720 For me those people are superheroes. 215 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,760 You take all your family in risk 216 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,320 your children, your brothers, everybody in the risk. 217 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,680 So this is incredible. Incredible. 218 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,040 Therefore I believe that what we're doing here is very very important. 219 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,680 And I'm.... 220 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,360 I'm absolutely... 221 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,960 I hope it will really work. 222 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:41,240 And when people will come here, they'll feel something. 223 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:44,960 There is a very powerful drive 224 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:49,560 which ever since the change of government has become official 225 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,280 to identify the Polish righteous 226 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,520 as representative of Polish attitudes during the war. 227 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,400 And this of course is falsification of history. 228 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,600 They were a minority. The people they were most afraid of weren't the Germans 229 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,840 but their Polish neighbours, who could denounce them to the Germans. 230 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,880 We cannot deny them recognition because others behaved shamefully. 231 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,560 We don't want to provide an alibi to the liars. 232 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:20,760 If they use my work to clean off their crimes 233 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,600 If they use my work to clean off their crimes 234 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,960 the crimes of... some Poles, not all 235 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:34,800 then I'd get terribly upset. And terribly angry. 236 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:40,440 I might never forgive myself for getting involved in this whole thing. 237 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,160 Anyhow... What? 238 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,800 This cafe is... Where is it? 239 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,400 I think it's over there. 240 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,920 There's no menu, I have no idea about the price. 241 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,640 Let's just leave without paying. 242 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,280 No, no. 243 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,160 We have to go. You want to be paid? 244 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,400 So where you are? 245 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,760 OK. 246 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,120 Where is he? 247 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,680 We want to pay. -OK, just a moment. 248 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,200 ''Just a moment.'' 249 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,760 We sit and we wait. -There's my colleague and she's waiting. 250 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,800 No, nobody's there. 251 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,160 Colleague-shmolleague, they're not there. 252 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,880 How much we said? About 17. 253 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,400 Now is not the time to set up this monument. 254 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:06,720 You, an Israeli and a Jew, approve a monument to righteous gentiles 255 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,800 which is what the Polish government has been promoting recently. 256 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,320 They're claiming that numerous Poles had saved Jews 257 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,680 and deserve recognition as ''Righteous Among the Nations''. 258 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,560 I don't want to cancel. I'm in favor of keeping this option open 259 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,480 because governments change. 260 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,440 People cannot be changed. 261 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,640 There can be another government 262 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,040 that would issue other laws, which could be sensible. 263 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,400 You better take this idea somewhere else. - Not possible. No way. 264 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,320 Every idea belongs to a certain place. Site-specific, as they say. 265 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,320 You've created wonderful pieces. 266 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,240 You really don't need a piece that's problematic. 267 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,920 It's problematic from a Jewish perspective 268 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,280 from a national perspective 269 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280 and it's historically problematic. 270 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:11,120 Yad Vashem has recognized 6.883 Poles as righteous gentiles 271 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,560 on the basis of some very strict criteria. 272 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,160 Suppose the actual number is three times that. 273 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,320 We can't tell for certain. 274 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:28,560 People died or were killed without anyone knowing they had tried to rescue Jews. 275 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,720 Suppose we take that and add those who did not rescue Jews 276 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,760 but helped them in some way. 277 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,720 So you multiply the number of righteous gentiles by three 278 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,120 and then multiply the result by five. 279 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Why five? 280 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,200 No special reason. -OK. 281 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,240 You end up with some 100.000 people. -Yes. 282 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,560 Poland had 21 million ethnic Poles, with Jews all over. 283 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,280 You'd find Jews in the smallest village. 284 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:10,160 So 100.000 Poles were not hostile towards the Jews. 285 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,840 What about the remaining 20.900.000? 286 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,000 That's why I support your project. 287 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,400 It draws attention to that. -I see. 288 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,120 To the few versus the many. 289 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:35,440 And it also has a message that there was another way. 290 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:39,160 That's the thing. 291 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,680 If I put myself in your position and in your head, I would 292 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,440 stick to the initial idea because I think it's more important than ever. 293 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:59,240 If you remember what you have written yourself in this circle, it says: 294 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:07,800 ''Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to our life.'' 295 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,400 This is a beautiful thing you're making 296 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,640 with the water. 297 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,560 Are you proud sometimes when you see some of your old works? 298 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,000 Do they make you feel happy? -Yes, yes. 299 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,880 Good. 300 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,720 It was a time that I was always not in peace with my works. 301 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,720 I thought they should be better 302 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,720 and I want to destroy them. 303 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,080 But after some time, I became... 304 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,280 More gentle with yourself. -Yes. 305 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,760 Now I'm a little bit maturer I think. 306 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,360 So I'm not really stupid like I was. 307 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,160 It's about time, now that you're 87. 308 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,920 87 and a half. 309 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,880 He's incredible. 310 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,400 I love that in his work, that he leaves so much space for every viewer 311 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,040 to dream himself or herself in it. 312 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,840 I mean, I could come here every day and sit here and... 313 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,840 be happy. 314 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,840 You are too fast. 315 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,880 I don't hear, I don't hear. 316 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,920 I love him because of his youthfulness and because of his endless optimism. 317 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,840 He really still has the child in him all the time. 318 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,360 Look, look, look. 319 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,000 Look how beautiful this tree is. 320 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,320 Look, it's like a drawing. -Yes. 321 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,200 Look, look, look. Look! 322 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Do you know any sculptor that could create something like that? I don't. 323 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,920 Look at this, the design of this one. 324 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Who designed it? It's done by itself? 325 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,600 Because it's a pattern and it will always be the same 326 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,520 in another thousand years when we're long forgotten 327 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,360 it would still be the same. 328 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,040 No, we are never forgotten. Never. 329 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,760 You and me, we will never be forgotten. 330 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,080 What do you think you will be remembered for and is there something you still wanna do 331 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840 to what other people will remember you for? 332 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,120 The Garden of Finzi Continis. 333 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,400 The garden which not exist. 334 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,680 The non-existing garden. But you wanna make it exist. 335 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,400 And the imagination. -I want to make it as an emptiness. 336 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,600 Emptiness is the toughest thing to produce. 337 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080 But it’s the most beautiful thing. 338 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,760 The emptiness is really the void between two. 339 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,600 This is the tension. 340 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,160 Let me see your hands. 341 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,080 Let me see your hands, Dani. 342 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,280 I love your hands, Dani. 343 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,200 Your hands are full of wisdom. 344 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,520 Put them in front of your face. 345 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,280 A little bit more this way. 346 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,320 That's it. 347 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,200 I love it. 348 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,400 Thank you. 349 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,120 From here and up, the hills don't get any higher. 350 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,440 But the values go deeper and deeper. 351 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480 It's the valleys. -Valleys, yes. 352 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Because if the values go deeper and deeper, then we're in trouble. 353 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,800 We're in trouble, you don't know? 354 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,800 So you're making a tour of all your works? 355 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,880 You're also going to Korea? 356 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,240 No, no. It's too far and I'm too old to travel. 357 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Here it says Mauthausen. -Which is? 358 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840 Mauthausen. You don't know this name? 359 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,080 Buchenwald. 360 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,800 Buchenwald. 361 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,240 If you look closely, you'll see that the Reichstag triangle reflects this one. 362 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,960 That's something I hadn't thought of. 363 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,040 It's one of those things that you realize and then your hair stands on edge. 364 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,800 The flower was the initial idea of this work. 365 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320 These were the Romanis' graves. 366 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,800 The wild flowers grew on their graves. 367 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,560 Then I thought: How do I protect this flower? 368 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920 Then came the water. 369 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,720 There's a small animal here 370 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,920 which runs away. 371 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,680 The wild flower disappears right here. 372 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,840 At 13:00 sharp it reappears with a different flower. 373 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,280 Always at the same time. 374 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080 The flower just changed, Hava. Just now. 375 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680 Well this is the dark water. 376 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,800 If you look into the dark water 377 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,240 the silentness which it suggests 378 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,200 like a center to get aware of yourself. 379 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,960 To get aware of yourself needs to look into your own dark side. 380 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,160 The genius of Dani is to imagine 381 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,000 what kind of need a person who wants to memorize. 382 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,680 The simplicity, as well as the beauty of the make of it 383 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,960 that is the effectiveness of him which 384 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,200 comes to my heart and... 385 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,720 that's the gift. 386 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,720 I never believed I would create so many works in Germany. Especially in Nuremberg. 387 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:34,800 - EVERY PERSON HAS THE RIGHT FOR A HOMELAND - 388 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,040 It's one of my most important works, especially because of its political impact. 389 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:51,120 This work changed Nuremberg from the city of the racial laws to the city of human rights. 390 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,640 You brought only the winter sketch, right? -I have no idea. This is what she gave me. 391 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,200 Ok then. Over there should have been azure. 392 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,720 Blue in the middle. -That's wrong too. It's yellow. 393 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,720 And this needs to be fixed. 394 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,400 Correct? 395 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,920 This flower there is overgrown. 396 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,360 It's like Israel, occupying any territory. 397 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,360 Maybe it should be taken out altogether. 398 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120 All of it? -Yes, until further notice. 399 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320 This is Lital. 400 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,960 She took part in designing the square. 401 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,800 Why didn't you plan any shade here? 402 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,520 How exactly? By planting trees? -Yes. 403 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,040 Yeah? Then it wouldn't be a square. 404 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,920 Or maybe artificial shade. 405 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,240 Have you ever seen a square that's artificially shaded? 406 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,480 Even in winter it's very hot in here. -The whole world comes here in winter. 407 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,560 If you can't listen then there's no point talking. 408 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360 -I'm listening. No, you interrupt everything I say. 409 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,880 People sit here, enjoying themselves 410 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,800 at least 8 months a year, enjoying a bit of sun. That's all. 411 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,640 It's the Middle East, we're hot. 412 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,920 At least have shade over there... 413 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,320 Hold on just one minute... -People are avoiding the square. 414 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,800 This square is a global success, there's no other one like it. 415 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,720 Listen. -No, I'm fed up with you. 416 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,440 You would kill beauty to have some shade. 417 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,000 No, I think that... -OK. 418 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,400 Let's go. I'm tired of him. 419 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480 He's a pain in the butt. 420 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,080 You are just... 421 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,960 totally obsessed with this shade nonsense. 422 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,520 They want a pergola. Unbelievable. 423 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,480 It's driving you crazy. -Of course, because it's idiotic. 424 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,360 Just think about the world's famous squares with artificial shade, God forbid. 425 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,440 The Piazza Navona with a pergola? The main square in Sienna with a pergola? 426 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,360 San Marco Square with a pergola? What would that look like? 427 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,120 Yes, he could have come up with a solution for the shade. 428 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,880 It doesn't necessarily mean a proper roof. But he insists. 429 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,840 I can't tell you how to plan the square with shade. 430 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,200 We were talking behind your back. -I know. 431 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,000 I don't know how to do it. If you do, go ahead, plan it. 432 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,600 I don't know how to do this but I can tell you one thing. 433 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,600 You wouldn't believe how many people approach me to say 'Thank you so much'. 434 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,720 You've seen them. -I have. 435 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,880 There's no constant shade here either. 436 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,800 That's why it's so stupid. Shade isn't static, it moves. 437 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,880 The Square of Culture too has times where the building provides shade. 438 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,480 At other times it doesn't. But the trees and the arbor still do. 439 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,840 There is shade. It's just that people are... 440 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,520 bastards. 441 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,280 I am very sensitive to criticism. Especially when it's untrue. 442 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,240 And what if it's true? 443 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,880 There has never been a criticism about me that was true. 444 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,040 It sounds like you're saying: ''I always do everything great''. 445 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,200 If I didn’t think that way I'd stop doing. 446 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,240 I'm sure I'm doing the best, my utmost best. 447 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,920 What is your touch here as an artist? 448 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,160 The proportions. 449 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,560 That's the entire story? -Yes. 450 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,720 You know what? That's the story. 451 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,800 The distance from this wall to that wall, between here and there. 452 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,600 Does looking at it make you feel good? 453 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,440 Does it annoy you or not? That's exactly it. 454 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,600 But what did you do? You threw some cactuses and circled them. 455 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,600 I didn't throw them. 456 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,600 I measured the space, I decided about the distances 457 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,160 I established the proportions to make this look right. 458 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,920 If it was smaller, it would have been less good. If it was bigger, it would have been worst. 459 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,560 These are the exact measurements and that's my touch. 460 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,440 And I still insist that this work is very very very very simple. 461 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,120 That's the beauty of it. 462 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,480 There's nothing more beautiful than simplicity. 463 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,600 The simpler it is, the happier I am for having done that. 464 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,760 Simplicity is the most complicated thing. 465 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:19,760 I have a piece in Nitzana, a hundred pillars set up towards the Egyptian border. 466 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,960 Each bearing the word ''Peace'' in 100 different languages. 467 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,680 Now they want to build a neighbourhood there. Once they do it, the whole thing is over. 468 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,960 Can you imagine the houses they'll build here? 469 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,440 The ugliness of it all? It's outrageous. 470 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,920 It'll look just like Tel Aviv's suburbs. Disgusting. 471 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,000 You want us to stay a 90-family community forever? 472 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,280 That I maintain the Egyptian border with 90 families? 473 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,320 The desert is enormous, build wherever you want. 474 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,640 Keep off this thing. I am an artist of the location. 475 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,920 None of my works has ever been transferred. 476 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,760 It's because the work belongs here. The location is part of it. 477 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,080 I don't care. If they asked me to set up a piece over there 478 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,280 I might have done something else. That's it. 479 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,760 I suggest... -No suggestions. 480 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,680 Dani. -Your suggestion is rejected. 481 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,400 Let's just take a moment to see it. -No problem. 482 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,120 Ultimately, it's your decision. -I've already made my decision. 483 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,720 Let's just take a look. -OK, I don't mind looking. 484 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,360 You see what's going on here? -I don't care. 485 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,040 Come on, Dani. Open your mind. You can't be this strict. 486 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,680 You didn't understand me. 487 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,000 But never mind. 488 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,520 I might be forced to blow up the entire piece. 489 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,680 Once this piece loses its meaning, then it should cease to exist. 490 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,480 What are you drawing today? 491 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,720 Some landscape. 492 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,280 What if you draw from memory? -You can't draw landscapes from memory. 493 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,480 I mean inventing a landscape. -You don't invent landscapes. 494 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,560 Landscapes should be drawn on site. 495 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,000 I can't compete with nature. 496 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,880 What do you want to listen to? -Bach. 497 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,800 Which piece? -Anything. A cantata. 498 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,960 What's the most challenging obstacle you had overcome? 499 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,280 Something you thought was so difficult that it couldn't be overcome? 500 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,680 Well, anything I ever confronted. 501 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,280 I was always sure I wouldn't succeed. 502 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,680 Like what? You mean work? 503 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,280 Of course. 504 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,200 It's not that obvious, there are other things apart from work. 505 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,720 Work isn't the only thing. 506 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,400 Nothing is more important than work for me. 507 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,240 Disgusting. How can you even say that? 508 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,920 And with me sitting here. So rude. 509 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,240 You think it's normal to tell your daughter 510 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,640 that nothing's more important than your work? 511 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,320 You're not 20, you know. 512 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,840 How can you actually say such a thing out loud? 513 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,360 Do I really need to explain myself all the time? 514 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600 You're saying some tough words. -Enough, I can't draw like this. 515 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520 You'll manage. 516 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,080 I can't... I'll make coffee. 517 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,160 Perhaps you make it? -No, I'm not making coffee 518 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,240 for a father saying such things to his own daughter. 519 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920 And how can you draw so many hearts 520 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,240 while you're hearing words like that? -It's what helps me survive your words. 521 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,160 I'd paint the entire sheet black if I were you. 522 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,800 You are so, so lucky. 523 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,800 I'm lucky. 524 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,960 I don't think we'll keep drawing together. 525 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:24,200 I wanted the flowers to be arranged according to my sketch. 526 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,760 It's outrageous what I see here. 527 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,840 Where did that purple line come from? 528 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,040 There's a specific plan that should be followed. 529 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,320 They're pissing all over me. -But it's amazing. 530 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,760 It would have been even more amazing if they followed my instructions. 531 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,960 You don't plant such small flowers. 532 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,080 You should have plants that are grown-up. 533 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,760 This tree is about to die. Someone has to look into it. 534 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,000 It grows on a concrete floor, that's right. 535 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,640 But this soil needs to sustain it. Or it should be enriched with something. 536 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,200 I saw this coming five years ago. I said, ''Look up there''. 537 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,200 5, 6 or even 10 years that I've been saying this and nothing is done. 538 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,400 Until it finally dies and needs to be removed. 539 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,960 Look at the state of these cactuses. 540 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,320 The number of times I complained about this... 541 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,760 Where is their gardening sense? How can a gardener treat his garden like this? 542 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,560 This work is my daughter, my son. I created it, see? 543 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,800 You probably didn't notice that the pool and the garden 544 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,120 have exactly the same proportions. 545 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,760 It's elementary. -Oh yes, elementary. 546 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,160 You'd have done the same thing. -Of course. 547 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,080 Any second-year art student could have designed this square. 548 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,680 Most of them could... Not all of them. 549 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,200 Hello. -Hello. How do you do? 550 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120 Hello sir, nice to meet you. -Hello. 551 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,120 Did you call me ''Sir''? My oh my. 552 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,240 I suppose it will be 90 seconds long. 553 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000 A bit longer. -Really? 554 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,760 It's a project we're doing. 555 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,240 Will it be on the news channel? -Yes. 556 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,960 When will they broadcast this? -In a few weeks. 557 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,520 Let us know when. -Of course. 558 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,080 OK. 559 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,640 OK? 560 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,680 How would you describe your work at the POLIN Museum? 561 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,800 Is it unique compared to other works? -No, it isn't. 562 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200 Is it more emotional? -It's not special. 563 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,800 It's about the place, about the subject, like any of my other works. 564 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,840 So are you taking it in a purely professional way? 565 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,960 Or are you also emotionally involved? -Of course it's... 566 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,360 It does excite me just by realizing 567 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,560 that I'm doing something important 568 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,240 commemorating all those brave people. 569 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,520 These righteous gentiles really are a tiny minority 570 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,200 within the entire Polish population. 571 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,200 And here, they chose an Israeli artist... 572 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,240 The most successful Israeli artist. 573 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,920 Not the most successful. Just successful. 574 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,040 An award-winning artist who is then used 575 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,240 as means of whitewashing, of serving Poland 576 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,720 rather than as... 577 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,080 It doesn't serve the Poles. 578 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,560 It only serves those Poles who had risked their lives to save Jews 579 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:41,200 putting their families and themselves at risk amidst a hostile environment 580 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,480 and that's the only thing that this work celebrates. 581 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,040 Anyone can think whatever they want. I don't care. 582 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,680 I don't need anyone lecturing me... 583 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,720 On Poland, or on anything else. 584 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,480 If someone uses me, how can I help it? 585 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,400 It is indeed problematic. 586 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,440 The whole thing is very problematic. 587 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,920 If I knew it before, I might have declined the offer. 588 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,880 Really? -Yes. 589 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,680 Good morning, Dani Karavan here. How are you? 590 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,960 Alright. 591 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,720 Can I talk to the professor? 592 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,800 Good, thank you. 593 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,720 I've got this terrible weakness. 594 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,800 I've had it for a week now. My doctor advised that I should go to the hospital. 595 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,640 I'm definitely not entering the ER. 596 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,600 We can film two pieces of mine in his department. 597 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,440 We already have, don't you remember? 598 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,080 No. 599 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,680 Do you remember it, Kobi? -Yes. 600 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,440 Well, you're no longer 20. It's OK to forget. 601 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,960 They'll kill me. 602 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,520 Who will? 603 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,760 This whole... 604 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,880 Wasting time thing. 605 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,320 Waiting and waiting... 606 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,000 It's bad enough to await death without waiting here too. 607 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,920 Hello. (Arabic) 608 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,960 Good evening everyone. 609 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,520 We're meeting this evening for the world's biggest Arabic lesson ever. 610 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,840 We invite a dear friend, Israel Prize recipient Dani Karavan 611 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,400 who designed the Square of Culture where we are 612 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,320 to say a few words. 613 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,800 First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who's here tonight 614 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,360 who came to protest the fascist Nation-State Law. 615 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,520 They sit in front of my work in the Knesset 616 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:34,640 where the stones bear Hebrew and Arabic inscriptions that cannot be erased. 617 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,480 So let them take a good look, and then go to hell. 618 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,800 Well said brother. You are like a father to us. 619 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,880 More like a grandfather. -You're a father. 620 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,160 I'm 54 years old. -I'm 88. 621 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,680 All citizens are equal, Jews and Arabs! 622 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,680 All citizens are equal, Jews and Arabs! 623 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,720 All citizens are equal, Jews and Arabs! 624 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,440 Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies! 625 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,200 We're not afraid, we're the people of this country! (Arabic) 626 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,320 We're not afraid, we're the people of this country! (Arabic) 627 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,000 In hints of lightning the storm gave notice. 628 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,080 In hieroglyphs of fire – signs, signs, signs. 629 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:21,880 Soon it caught the forest boughs, and they were indifferent, unseeing! 630 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,320 In the treetops it was like a slaughterer’s knife. 631 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,480 Running from branch to branch. Unstoppable plunder. 632 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,800 It came as judgement day. 633 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,720 They call it sudden, but it was punishment for deafness. 634 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,440 Take care, bye. 635 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520 So how is the atmosphere in Warsaw now? 636 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,760 Rather bad. -Bad? OK. 637 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,920 Within a month or two it will be clear whether the government 638 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,800 has decided to continue their outrageous campaign 639 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,880 or whether they have decided to back down. 640 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,560 Right now I must say I'm very glad 641 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:19,960 that we were not able to complete the project now, as I had hoped. 642 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,480 To inaugurate the project right now would be a disaster. 643 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:32,160 But why do you say that if we could inaugurate it now it would be a disaster? 644 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:39,040 Because it would be instrumentalized by the Polish government 645 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,680 and support the government's position of that horrible law they passed. 646 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,840 Do you think this project could be absolutely... 647 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,040 Dead? Will be dead completely. 648 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,320 We will know that in May at the latest and then we could reach our decision. 649 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:05,320 We might want to freeze the project for a moment. I had never said back down 650 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,880 but freeze. 651 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,080 When did you have the pacemaker implanted? 652 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,240 I can't remember. 5 years. Maybe 10, 8. 653 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,000 This place is like hell. 654 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,760 It demonstrates what a person goes through in hell. 655 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,960 I can't find my card. 656 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,320 I can't find it. -Look for it at home, it's fine. 657 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,320 OK. 658 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,200 They'll issue you a new one. -Good, thank you. 659 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,400 And if it pops up we'll keep it for you. 660 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,280 How do you get out of here? I can't remember where the elevators are. 661 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,320 Give me a call. 662 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,040 I think I also lost my mobile. 663 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,480 Or it might have been stolen. 664 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,360 ''The number you have dialed is unavailable.'' -OK, I see. Call Hava. 665 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,360 In case I left it at home. 666 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,480 I didn't, as far as I can remember. 667 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,000 That's just what I need, to lose my phone. 668 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,320 I'm confused, I can't... 669 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,560 Something's wrong. I'm just confused. 670 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,800 You should stop filming. -Why? 671 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,960 Because you don't have a client. 672 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,560 You are not the client, you are the hero. -I'm the hero, fine. 673 00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:30,240 What kind of a hero... I'm a rag, not a hero. 674 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,680 She's not answering. 675 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,200 Hava, did I leave my phone at home? 676 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,080 Then it's gone. 677 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,880 I lost that card too. 678 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,320 I just can't go out on my own anymore, Hava. 679 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,800 You hear me, Hava? It's over. I have no memory. 680 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,720 I don't understand what's happening to me. 681 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,880 It suddenly dawned on me 682 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,080 that death is on the doorstep. 683 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,240 It turned my whole world upside down. 684 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,080 All of a sudden. 685 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,760 I don't plan goodbyes. 686 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,880 No goodbye planned. 687 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,320 I can't imagine living without Hava. 688 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,480 I won't allow you to. -I don't want to lose her, no way. 689 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,560 As soon as I'm gone you'll have 50 chicks on the doorstep. 690 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:07,000 No way will I allow him to live without Hava, no way. 691 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,160 We'll manage... -Together. 692 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,280 We need to die together. 693 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:19,160 When one has to die, the other... -I suggest we change the subject. 694 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,280 - A conference in honor of Dani Karavan - 695 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,240 You've got something in your eye. 696 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,160 You need to look your best for everyone who's coming. 697 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,560 Leave it. -But you need to take it out. 698 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,520 People are coming to celebrate your birthday. 699 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,120 And what's that in your ear? -That's to help me hear. 700 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,280 That thing? -Yes, it's a hearing aid. 701 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,000 And does it help you? 702 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,640 In one ear I can hear without it. In the other one I'm practically deaf. 703 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,760 All in all, you're in a pretty bad state of repair. -Exactly. 704 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,200 We want to live longer, right? 705 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,880 So this is the price we pay. 706 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,520 We wander out in the open 707 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:39,280 and we are in a continuous relationship with everything that surrounds us: 708 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,800 Works of architecture 709 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,240 large open spaces, environmental edifices. 710 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:56,400 These structures are constantly talking to us and educating us. 711 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:05,400 And whether we want it or not, we are under constant ideologic attack of values. 712 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:12,800 So anyone taking part in creating this space is engaged in political work. 713 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,160 ''Passages - Homage to Walter Benjamin'', at Portbou. 714 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,920 It's difficult to imagine a work of art 715 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:37,960 that expresses the horror of those contradictory, opposing sentiments 716 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,120 of longing and fear, hope and danger 717 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:48,000 by someone who has never been a refugee himself. 718 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,720 I asked Dani, ''Where is this coming from?'' 719 00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:02,520 When you look at this piece, where a person slides down this dark, rusty tunnel 720 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,480 eventually reaching a point where, in order to get into the water 721 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,240 he must dive right into the turbulence 722 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,920 on top of the barrier of tempered glass that is penetrated by bullets. 723 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,040 How could he understand what a refugee feels like? 724 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,640 Dani claimed it was the restrictions. 725 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,160 ''The budget was so-and-so, that material wasn't available...'' 726 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,200 Don't believe him. There are always restrictions. 727 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,520 But they can't explain the message of the work. 728 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,080 That's why you are a politician, Dani. 729 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,560 And an educator. 730 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:22,560 I'm very excited that you have come to see my exhibition. 731 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,520 I'm very sorry that I wasn't able to be with you. 732 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,600 I am, after all, 90 years old and it's not easy for me. 733 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:44,360 I hope you can sense the political message I have been trying to convey. 734 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,680 Of not giving up. Of fighting for the rights of the other. 735 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,920 For the Palestinians' right to live in a democracy. 736 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,040 I believe in hope, but I won't wait 2.000 years. 737 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,080 It must happen tomorrow.