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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,83 --> 00:00:02,961 Narrator: In the criminal justice system, the people are represented 2 00:00:03,128 --> 00:00:05,506 by two separate yet equally important groups-- 3 00:00:05,672 --> 00:00:07,382 the police who investigate crime, 4 00:00:07,549 --> 00:00:10,52 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:10,219 --> 00:00:12,221 These are their stories. 6 00:00:13,931 --> 00:00:16,308 (laughing ) 7 00:00:17,893 --> 00:00:19,478 What is it? 8 00:00:19,645 --> 00:00:22,189 Ooh, that's a globe-thistle pod, 9 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:24,24 from a globe-thistle tree. 10 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:26,276 Oh, okay. 11 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:30,322 Getreal, | can't just leave for lunch. 12 00:00:30,489 --> 00:00:32,324 Who says you gotta leave? 13 00:00:32,491 --> 00:00:35,35 I'm sure you've got a peanut butter sandwich for me. 14 00:00:35,202 --> 00:00:37,371 What do you got good to trade? 15 00:00:37,538 --> 00:00:39,331 Dinner in Soho, tonight? 16 00:00:39,498 --> 00:00:42,376 Okay, but | get to keep my Twinkies. 17 00:00:42,543 --> 00:00:43,585 ( chuckles ) 18 00:00:43,752 --> 00:00:46,630 Hey, Tisha! Tisha, stay away from the dog! 19 00:00:47,965 --> 00:00:49,383 - (dog barks ) 20 00:00:49,550 --> 00:00:51,93 It's not a stray, it has a collar. 21 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:53,178 (screams ) 22 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:58,58 Are you okay? Did he bite you, huh? 23 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:06,567 ( whimpers ) 24 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:10,70 ( siren blares ) 25 00:01:13,782 --> 00:01:16,285 She's real cold-- they say she's been out here for hours. 26 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:17,953 What is it, a rape or a mugging? 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,413 Don't know. She's in bad shape. 28 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:21,373 Skull's fractured, looks like she's been choked. 29 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:22,708 Do they think she's gonna make it? 30 00:01:22,874 --> 00:01:26,03 | don't Know, they could barely find blood pressure. 31 00:01:27,04 --> 00:01:28,463 Hey, guys, move! 32 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:30,632 - Where to? - St. Teresa's. 33 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,635 Found this... on the path. 34 00:01:33,802 --> 00:01:35,804 Medic: Comin’ through, comin’ through. 35 00:01:42,394 --> 00:01:44,646 Cerreta: Has she been conscious? Has she said anything? 36 00:01:44,813 --> 00:01:47,566 She's in a coma, Detective-- that tends to prevent speech. 37 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:49,693 Go to the park, get your head crushed-- 38 00:01:49,860 --> 00:01:51,612 makes you want to move someplace safe. 39 00:01:51,778 --> 00:01:54,531 - Didn't know there were any left. - Is she gonna get out of this? 40 00:01:54,698 --> 00:01:57,242 Cerebral hemorrhage, unaligned skull fracture, 41 00:01:57,409 --> 00:02:00,370 damage to the vocal chords, add the exposure-- 42 00:02:00,537 --> 00:02:02,39 it's a miracle she's alive. 43 00:02:02,205 --> 00:02:05,584 If she survives this, she's in for a long recovery. 44 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,841 - Are you the cops who sent us the Jane Doe? - Logan: Yep. 45 00:02:16,11 --> 00:02:19,56 Lucy Neven, 568 Central Park West. 46 00:02:19,222 --> 00:02:22,59 - You're kidding! - No, | made it up. Why? 47 00:02:22,225 --> 00:02:25,646 Major soap star-- Delia Mason on "World Without End.” 48 00:02:25,812 --> 00:02:29,191 My mother watches it. She follows the stories like it happened to the neighbors. 49 00:02:29,358 --> 00:02:31,652 Tell your mom she's in for a plot twist. 50 00:02:35,113 --> 00:02:39,159 ( theme music plays ) 51 00:03:58,321 --> 00:04:01,408 You believe this? They already got her buried. 52 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:02,993 She's not in great shape. 53 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,328 If we don't crack this quick, we won't be either. 54 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:09,374 Whatever's on your plate, clean it-- this comes first. 55 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:12,669 Well, it ain't a mugging, ‘cause she still had cash with her. 56 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:14,921 Could have been interrupted, caught in the act. 57 00:04:15,88 --> 00:04:17,674 She's recognizable-- this woman is ON a SOap Opera every day. 58 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:21,678 - That's his John Lennon theory. - It's not possible just because we hever heard of her? 59 00:04:21,845 --> 00:04:25,432 The fact of the matter is, these people get accosted in the supermarket. 60 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:29,144 Phil, nobody’'s sayin’ "no," okay? It's a possibility. 61 00:04:29,311 --> 00:04:31,897 Now what about the girl-- is she in any shape to talk to us? 62 00:04:32,63 --> 00:04:33,774 Barely breathing. 63 00:04:35,108 --> 00:04:37,194 Get what you can without her then, okay? 64 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:41,72 I'm on double shifts these days. You got to take all the work you can get. 65 00:04:41,239 --> 00:04:44,367 Do you have people hanging around for her-- fans, autograph hounds? 66 00:04:44,534 --> 00:04:47,788 Five, six a year. Ms. Neven, she keeps her address a secret. 67 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:49,456 Hi. 68 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:51,875 Thank you. Thanks. 69 00:04:52,42 --> 00:04:53,627 She was almost killed on the show. 70 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:56,46 Do you believe in destiny, karma, that kind of thing? 71 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:57,964 She was mugged in the park, not on TV. 72 00:04:58,131 --> 00:04:59,633 Does she walk her dog on a schedule? 73 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,427 10:00 every night. | give Roxie a biscuit as they go out. 74 00:05:02,594 --> 00:05:04,304 Does Ms. Neven have a busy social life? 75 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:07,849 A good-lookin’ lady like that? My aunt gets more action-- she's 60. 76 00:05:11,19 --> 00:05:13,271 They had to write her out of the show. 77 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:17,150 My mother thinks Lucy is so glamorous. 78 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:19,319 I've got it easy being her secretary. 79 00:05:19,486 --> 00:05:22,155 She has to work 12 hours a day. 80 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,157 Did she have time to make enemies? 81 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,285 She's up at 5:30, she's at the studio by 7:00, 82 00:05:27,452 --> 00:05:29,704 she gets home, she’s too tired to brush her teeth. 83 00:05:29,871 --> 00:05:32,374 That's hardly time for friends, let alone enemies. 84 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:35,585 Could you tell us if anything she'd have with her is missing? 85 00:05:43,134 --> 00:05:47,55 A ring-- her grandmother's wedding band, 86 00:05:47,222 --> 00:05:48,890 and a medal-- 87 00:05:49,57 --> 00:05:51,685 her father gave it to her, Saint Genesius. 88 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:53,979 Saint Genesius, that's... 89 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:55,981 The patron saint of actors. 90 00:05:56,147 --> 00:05:58,66 But why take that? 91 00:05:58,233 --> 00:06:00,151 They didn't take the money-- that's crazy. 92 00:06:00,318 --> 00:06:03,71 Do you get requests from people who ask for things like that? 93 00:06:03,238 --> 00:06:05,156 | sort them. 94 00:06:06,408 --> 00:06:09,411 Weird, weirder, weirdest. 95 00:06:09,578 --> 00:06:11,621 These are just the past three months. 96 00:06:16,251 --> 00:06:19,671 "| cannot live with the idea that you are angry with me. 97 00:06:19,838 --> 00:06:21,506 | Know you would love my daughter. 98 00:06:21,673 --> 00:06:23,675 | didn't like it when you wouldn't talk to us." 99 00:06:23,842 --> 00:06:25,760 A woman broke Lucy's skull? No. 100 00:06:25,927 --> 00:06:28,722 Pardon me, Dr. Freud, women don't get angry and violent? 101 00:06:28,889 --> 00:06:31,766 Whoa, | hope her mail is more interesting than mine. 102 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:34,477 No contest-- these should be postmarked Bellevue. 103 00:06:34,644 --> 00:06:36,688 We have three solid cuckoos in town, 104 00:06:36,855 --> 00:06:39,399 one in Atlanta, two in St. Louis, 105 00:06:39,566 --> 00:06:41,67 three in LA and one in Denver. 106 00:06:41,234 --> 00:06:44,29 They had to be local-- stalked her, knew when she walked the dog. 107 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:45,906 Still, I'll check the out-of-town alibis, 108 00:06:46,72 --> 00:06:47,657 you guys knock on some doors. 109 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:51,494 First we get some fettuccini, then we knock on doors. Eh! 110 00:06:51,661 --> 00:06:53,163 ( knocks ) 111 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:55,916 Hello? Mr. Wadsworth? 112 00:06:56,82 --> 00:06:58,585 Man: Who's asking? Police. 113 00:07:01,87 --> 00:07:04,507 We are looking for nominations for Citizen of the Week, sir. 114 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:06,676 1am Mr. Wadsworth, and there is not a person 115 00:07:06,843 --> 00:07:08,595 on this damn block worth nominating. 116 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:11,765 Yes, and you're not the first one to say so, sir. 117 00:07:13,516 --> 00:07:16,603 | wrote her letters. She said in an interview-- 118 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,22 in lots of interviews-- that she likes to get them. 119 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:22,442 Jesse, if you could tell us where you were at 10:00 or 11:00. 120 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:24,319 At my girlfriend’s apartment. 121 00:07:24,486 --> 00:07:26,947 And then | got home... 122 00:07:27,113 --> 00:07:28,698 | don't knhow. Dad? 123 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:32,452 | got home from the office at 9:00. 124 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:34,955 Jesse got home-- 125 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,748 what, Jesse, 10:00? 126 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:38,416 Yeah, | think so. 127 00:07:38,583 --> 00:07:41,920 Ah, Olivia, our housekeeper-- she'd remember. 128 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:47,884 Olivia? 129 00:07:54,265 --> 00:07:57,477 Olivia, Thursday night-- 130 00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:00,21 what time did Jesse get home? 131 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:02,649 Around 10:30. 132 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,68 | was watching the news, 133 00:08:05,235 --> 00:08:07,237 Channel 9. 134 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:09,489 Thank you. 135 00:08:09,656 --> 00:08:13,535 The biggest soap convention of the year-- | wouldn't miss that. 136 00:08:13,702 --> 00:08:17,247 | was there Thursday morning to be there before the good stuff got sold. 137 00:08:17,414 --> 00:08:19,82 That's dedication for ya. 138 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:23,44 That comb-- only $60. 139 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:26,172 Delia was using it when she told Joel she wouldn't marry him. 140 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:28,258 She's too good for him. Mmm. 141 00:08:28,425 --> 00:08:32,554 All the people there, maybe some dealers or somebody might remember you? 142 00:08:32,721 --> 00:08:34,597 | don't know. 143 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:37,17 There were 6,000 people. 144 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:39,686 Oh! | took the shuttle back. 145 00:08:39,853 --> 00:08:42,605 | threw out the ticket-- | think it's right here. 146 00:08:48,445 --> 00:08:50,488 Thank you. 147 00:08:56,411 --> 00:08:58,997 PA system: Dr. Brent, report to nurse's station 4E. 148 00:08:59,164 --> 00:09:02,584 Dr. Brent, report to nurse's station 4E. 149 00:09:04,627 --> 00:09:07,672 Was he taller than you? Or the same height? 150 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:11,551 Logan: Taller. 151 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:13,303 So you got a good look at him? 152 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:20,685 Blair: What, he was dark, he had a dark complexion? 153 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:24,731 Logan: Al right. 154 00:09:29,694 --> 00:09:31,237 Is this the best you can do? 155 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:32,781 With a woman who can't talk, 156 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:34,949 she's good for about 15 minutes at a stretch. 157 00:09:35,116 --> 00:09:36,242 Thanks, anyway. 158 00:09:36,409 --> 00:09:38,578 - You got the staff list of the soap? - Yeah. 159 00:09:38,745 --> 00:09:40,830 Maybe someone was hanging around that door, bothering her. 160 00:09:40,997 --> 00:09:43,124 It's worth a shot. 161 00:09:43,291 --> 00:09:46,211 To me, they all look the same. 162 00:09:46,377 --> 00:09:49,923 Autograph pads, sparkly pens with big, white balls on top-- 163 00:09:50,90 --> 00:09:53,176 they line up outside. They can be difficult. 164 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:55,970 Maybe Ms. Neven made one of her fans angry? 165 00:09:56,137 --> 00:09:58,807 She was very gracious, more than me. 166 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:01,726 The end of the day, | want to get home-- | got a two-year-old kid. 167 00:10:01,893 --> 00:10:04,104 Did Lucy get close to anybody on the crew? 168 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:06,356 | guess Sara was the closest. 169 00:10:06,523 --> 00:10:08,525 Cerreta: Was? 170 00:10:08,691 --> 00:10:10,360 Lucy had her fired. 171 00:10:10,527 --> 00:10:12,779 - Something about stuff missing. - Man: Five minutes. 172 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:15,907 - You mean she was stealing? - Sara said no. 173 00:10:16,74 --> 00:10:18,701 | like her. 174 00:10:18,868 --> 00:10:21,412 But she didn't file a union grievance when she got canned. 175 00:10:21,579 --> 00:10:23,331 Did she have the right to file a grievance? 176 00:10:23,498 --> 00:10:26,126 Lucy was probably right. 177 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:28,795 | got her another job-- costume house. 178 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:31,798 They supply us, other shows. 179 00:10:32,841 --> 00:10:34,592 | heard of Lucy turning on people, 180 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:36,386 but | thought we really got along. 181 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:38,304 Must have done wonders for your reputation. 182 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:40,974 - I'm happy to have a job. - Cerreta: Why didn't you tell your union? 183 00:10:41,141 --> 00:10:44,269 | did. | did! 184 00:10:44,435 --> 00:10:47,939 You think we didn't check? I'll put you on the phone with your shop steward. 185 00:10:48,106 --> 00:10:51,234 You know what they do with old costumes? 186 00:10:51,401 --> 00:10:53,486 Actors take 'em home. 187 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:55,655 A guy corners me outside the studio, 188 00:10:55,822 --> 00:10:59,242 hands me 200-- anything of Lucy's. Who would it hurt? 189 00:10:59,409 --> 00:11:02,829 What the hell is that? Thou shall not steal except when nobody gets hurt? 190 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:04,956 | needed the money. 191 00:11:05,123 --> 00:11:07,625 But then he started wanting slips, bras-- 192 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:09,460 that stuff doesn’t belong to wardrobe. 193 00:11:09,627 --> 00:11:13,06 - That's a fine distinction. - Who was your source of income? 194 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:15,967 Mitchell Burkitt, down on the Lower East Side somewhere. 195 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:18,52 What did he do with Lucy's underwear? 196 00:11:18,219 --> 00:11:20,680 | really didn't want to know. 197 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:24,17 Burkitt, Michael W. 198 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:27,20 Criminal trespass two, burglary three. 199 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:28,354 What does he like? 200 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:30,648 Soap opera studios, movie locations. 201 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:33,943 Also, an assault on a guard who tried to stop him. 202 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:36,362 The supplier gets canned, ho more underwear to sell. 203 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:39,324 -Aringand a medal-- bigger bucks. - Draw some arrest papers. 204 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:40,992 Phil, we're not even pregnant yet. 205 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,119 Assault record? | want to be prepared. 206 00:11:46,289 --> 00:11:48,708 ( rock music playing ) 207 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,211 The stereo’s on-- he's at home. 208 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:01,179 Man: Who is it? 209 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:03,640 Con Ed, checkin’ for a gas leak. 210 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:09,20 - Whoa! - Drop it! Drop it, don't even think about it, Mitch! 211 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:10,855 Now! 212 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:13,107 Oow! 213 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:15,818 You are under arrest for the attempted murder of Lucy Neven! 214 00:12:15,985 --> 00:12:17,403 Why didn't you say you were cops? 215 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:19,864 You have the right to remain silent. If you choose... 216 00:12:20,31 --> 00:12:23,326 - You didn't say you were cops! - ...anything you do say can and will... 217 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:26,663 In my neighborhood, you wouldn't answer the door without a gun. 218 00:12:26,829 --> 00:12:29,207 Next time, get one that's licensed. 219 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:31,834 | didn't do the lady. 220 00:12:32,01 --> 00:12:33,670 What do you think, I'm crazy? 221 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:36,798 Actually, you're about the sanest person we've met all week. 222 00:12:38,508 --> 00:12:40,635 Why would | do her, huh? 223 00:12:40,802 --> 00:12:43,972 She's a cash cow-- | survive on her stuff. 224 00:12:44,138 --> 00:12:46,349 Not since you lost your source. 225 00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:52,230 So, Mr. Burkitt, where were you Thursday night? 226 00:12:52,397 --> 00:12:54,482 | was alone. 227 00:12:54,649 --> 00:12:56,901 Prove | wasn't. 228 00:12:57,68 --> 00:12:58,569 Prove you were! 229 00:12:58,736 --> 00:13:00,530 Your Lucy stuff-- who buys it? 230 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:03,283 Kleinman, down on 15th Street. 231 00:13:03,449 --> 00:13:06,828 - | want a lawyer. - Yeah, you'll get a lawyer. I'll even pay for the call. 232 00:13:06,995 --> 00:13:09,205 Don't ever say cops aren't generous. 233 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:15,378 You want stills from "South Pacific,” Mitzi Gaynor's shoes? Fine. 234 00:13:15,545 --> 00:13:17,547 Logan: Not Lucy Neven's underwear? 235 00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:19,424 Do | look like a pervert? 236 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:21,926 Who buys Lucy's clothes? 237 00:13:22,93 --> 00:13:24,12 Customers’ names-- I'm sorry, it's private, 238 00:13:24,178 --> 00:13:27,348 Did you give Mitchell Burkitt an order to steal Lucy Neven's jewelry? 239 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:30,59 | sell memorabilia-- you think this is a hot car business? 240 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,521 - You give me an order, | get it stolen for you? - Suppose we get a warrant, 241 00:13:33,688 --> 00:13:36,190 Mr. Kleinman, and we do an inventory, 242 00:13:36,357 --> 00:13:38,776 you think we're gonna find any stolen goods around here? 243 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:41,487 - From a soap opera studio, maybe? - | never accept-- 244 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:43,531 Do you want us to start checking? 245 00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:46,534 You know, you're starting to make me a little impatient. 246 00:13:48,119 --> 00:13:50,747 Voorman. Tim Voorman. 247 00:13:50,913 --> 00:13:53,499 Works at the Club Vivant. 248 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:55,960 Emcee: Ladies and gentleman, Tim Voorman. 249 00:13:56,127 --> 00:13:59,47 Mr. Yoorman-- Sergeant Cerreta, Detective Logan. 250 00:13:59,213 --> 00:14:00,715 Very impressive. 251 00:14:00,882 --> 00:14:04,302 Louis Kleinman says you ordered Lucy Neven's intimate apparel. 252 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:09,98 You think | was involved with...? 253 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:12,643 Yeah, well, | also ordered Joan Collins's costumes. 254 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:14,604 They help me get into character. 255 00:14:14,771 --> 00:14:17,482 - And they fit you? - Well, I'm very petite. 256 00:14:17,648 --> 00:14:21,319 Mr. Voorman, Thursday night-- did you take a walk in the park? 257 00:14:21,486 --> 00:14:23,279 | don't believe this. 258 00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:26,741 | was here-- two shows, 8:00 and 10:00. 259 00:14:30,78 --> 00:14:33,122 You happen to leave between shows? 260 00:14:33,289 --> 00:14:36,584 Do you have any idea how long it takes to put on this face? 261 00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:39,128 And contrary to what you might think, 262 00:14:39,295 --> 00:14:41,297 | don't go out in public in drag. 263 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:42,965 | do this for a living. 264 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:45,927 Cerreta: This isn't your act, so you can pack in the attitude. 265 00:14:46,94 --> 00:14:48,12 Do you have any withesses who saw you here? 266 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:52,308 What's the mystery? 267 00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:57,438 | got a guy from Jersey who sees my Lucy act six nights a week. 268 00:14:57,605 --> 00:15:00,566 One guy, he wants to talk with Lucy about the plot on the show. 269 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:04,445 Another one, a real weirdo, buys my Lucy dress. 270 00:15:04,612 --> 00:15:06,531 Who attacked her? One of them. 271 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:09,909 - Who bought the dress? - Out of his mind. 272 00:15:10,76 --> 00:15:12,412 He loved Lucy, he wanted to be with her. 273 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,580 Offers 250-- | thought he was kidding. 274 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,457 500-- | said no. 275 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:19,377 1,000-- | didn't want to sell it, but... 276 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:22,588 he scared me a little. 277 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:26,217 - You got the name? - He didn't ask for a receipt. 278 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,305 Mr. Webster? Hi, this is Joe Harris from the Club Vivant. 279 00:15:31,472 --> 00:15:33,516 Mr. Nichols? 280 00:15:33,683 --> 00:15:35,560 Sam Jones, the Club Vivant. 281 00:15:35,726 --> 00:15:38,563 Mr. Voorman? He'd like to buy back that dress he sold you. 282 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:41,732 You know the dress you bought from Tim Voorman? 283 00:15:41,899 --> 00:15:44,110 Okay. Sorry. 284 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,237 - Thank you. - Sorry to bother you. 285 00:15:46,404 --> 00:15:49,532 We thought the letters were bad-- these people are worse in person. 286 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:53,202 Hello? Jesse Unger, please. 287 00:15:53,369 --> 00:15:56,205 Could you give me his work number then? Thank you. 288 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:57,957 Mr. Markson? Hi. 289 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:00,84 This is Sam Jones from the Club Vivant. 290 00:16:00,251 --> 00:16:03,45 Mr. Unger? Yeah, I'll wait. 291 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:06,132 That Lucy Neven dress-- the one you bought from Tim Voorman? 292 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:08,509 Well, he would like-- 293 00:16:08,676 --> 00:16:10,845 Sorry to bother you. 294 00:16:11,12 --> 00:16:13,473 Mr. Unger? Yeah, this is Joe Harris, Club Vivant. 295 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:17,351 Mr. Voorman would like to buy back his Lucy Neven dress. 296 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:20,730 Uh-huh. Oh. 297 00:16:20,897 --> 00:16:23,441 Yeah, well, certainly. Well, thank you. 298 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:28,404 Mr. Unger wants to keep his dress. 299 00:16:28,571 --> 00:16:30,114 Really? 300 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,784 | can’t stop. This has to be done by tonight. 301 00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:37,246 - Did you buy the dress? - Yes, | did, for my collection. 302 00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:39,540 | needed something special. 303 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:43,544 Terrible, Lucy dying, hmm? 304 00:16:43,711 --> 00:16:45,379 Lucy didn't die, Jesse. 305 00:16:45,546 --> 00:16:48,799 No, on the show. They had to get rid of her. 306 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:52,303 Thursday night, at your girlfriend’s-- what time did you leave? 307 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:55,431 | already told you-- about 10:00. 308 00:16:56,766 --> 00:16:58,726 Is your girlfriend Sandy at home, today? 309 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:01,354 No, she's not. She's working. 310 00:17:02,438 --> 00:17:04,565 - You've got the wrong idea. 311 00:17:04,732 --> 00:17:08,110 Jesse, his Lucy scrapbook-- it's a hobby. 312 00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:12,31 - Logan: That include buying her dress? - (chuckles ) 313 00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:14,33 You don't understand. 314 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,369 Boy, you'll think I'm crazy. 315 00:17:16,536 --> 00:17:19,664 We went to a Tina Turner concert, Jess and me. 316 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:23,334 | wanted her autograph. We waited in the cold two hours. 317 00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:25,503 But an autograph is not a dress. 318 00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:28,965 Lucy--to me, she’s boring. So what? 319 00:17:29,131 --> 00:17:31,384 Jesse doesn't like Tina Turner. 320 00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:34,53 | mean, didn't you ever collect anybody? 321 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,806 My wife has a lot of Rosemary Clooney records. 322 00:17:36,973 --> 00:17:38,57 Who? 323 00:17:38,224 --> 00:17:41,352 Ms. Reynolds, you said Mr. Unger left at 10:00 p.m., right? 324 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,813 What you're thinking about Jesse-- it couldn't be. 325 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:46,232 Look, are you sure about the time? 326 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:50,27 It might have been earlier-- maybe a quarter of. 327 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:53,114 We had an argument. 328 00:17:53,281 --> 00:17:55,825 He wanted me to try the dress on. 329 00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:57,910 | didn't think it was right. 330 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:02,331 Quarter to 10:00, 10:00-- 15 minutes-- it really makes that big a difference? 331 00:18:02,498 --> 00:18:05,585 Hey, 15 minutes gives him a lot more time to get to Lucy's. 332 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:08,87 Sandy's on 97th Street. 333 00:18:08,254 --> 00:18:10,339 Jesse's home, 57th Street, 334 00:18:10,506 --> 00:18:12,258 30 to 45 minutes later. 335 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:15,11 And Lucy lives in between at 65th Street. 336 00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:17,263 All right, it's enough time, barely, 337 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:19,307 if he knew when Lucy walked the dog. 338 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:22,560 So he stopped by at Lucy's on his way home to what, to talk to her? 339 00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:26,22 - You're the one who talked to him. He look goofy to you? - He seemed fine. 340 00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:27,648 But who can tell anymore? 341 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:29,692 31 years old, he still lives at Daddy's. 342 00:18:29,859 --> 00:18:33,321 And also he sprang for 1,000 bucks to buy Lucy's dress. 343 00:18:33,487 --> 00:18:35,114 What about his arrival time at home-- 344 00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:37,283 how solid is that alibi? 345 00:18:42,371 --> 00:18:44,498 | have friends in the fashion world. 346 00:18:44,665 --> 00:18:46,292 Something wrong with that? 347 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:48,44 So you got your son his job? 348 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:51,88 | arranged an interview, they offered him the job. 349 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,925 The woman's dress-- that's $1,000. 350 00:18:55,92 --> 00:18:57,637 Your son can afford that on the job he has? 351 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:01,974 Jesse's interests-- he doesn’t have to be like everybody else. 352 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:06,228 Following an actress's career--it's harmless. 353 00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:07,980 Up to a point. 354 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:10,399 Mr. Unger, when Jesse arrived home, 355 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:13,611 your housekeeper said it was 10:30. You said 10:00. 356 00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:16,322 My son has problems, 357 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:19,325 Violence is not one of them. 358 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:22,286 Sandy was upset-- the dress. 359 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:24,872 | only wanted to see, if she has such a good figure, 360 00:19:25,39 --> 00:19:26,707 how'd she look in it, that's all. 361 00:19:26,874 --> 00:19:28,793 We can clear this thing up easy. 362 00:19:28,959 --> 00:19:31,420 You left Sandy's apartment at 10:00? Mm-hmm. 363 00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:33,714 - Now, how'd you get home? - | walked. 364 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:36,342 40 blocks in half an hour? 365 00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:38,260 You must be a marathon walker. 366 00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:40,513 Maybe | took a cab. 367 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,139 Ahh. 368 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:45,59 You know what we oughta do? We oughta all go down to the precinct, 369 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:47,728 we'll talk the whole thing over, we'll call the cab company, 370 00:19:47,895 --> 00:19:50,189 get the whole thing settled, you know what | mean? 371 00:19:50,356 --> 00:19:53,734 Um... okay, fine. Sure. 372 00:19:53,901 --> 00:19:55,236 Good. 373 00:19:55,403 --> 00:19:57,738 I'm sorry about Lucy. 374 00:19:57,905 --> 00:19:59,532 But hurting her? 375 00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:01,659 No, | loved watching her. 376 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,577 | have a little television at work. 377 00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:07,206 We want to remind you that you're entitled to a lawyer. 378 00:20:07,373 --> 00:20:11,460 Sandy will tell you. Olivia, she said that | came home at 10:30. 379 00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:13,504 | would never hurt Lucy. 380 00:20:13,671 --> 00:20:15,631 Will you excuse me? 381 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:26,100 He's in tooth fairy land, and he's scared. 382 00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:28,811 The hospital says Lucy has some paralysis, 383 00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:32,523 she still has trouble with blurred vision, but they will bring her over. 384 00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:36,26 Now do you think you can get this guy to volunteer for a line-up? 385 00:20:36,193 --> 00:20:37,903 | don't know. What if he won't? 386 00:20:38,70 --> 00:20:39,572 Heck if | know. 387 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,449 Okay. 388 00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:49,582 Jesse, would you like to be in a line-up? 389 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:51,792 If nobody identifies you, you go back to work. 390 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:54,211 A line-up? For who? 391 00:20:54,378 --> 00:20:55,629 Lucy Neven. 392 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:20,946 Take your time. There's no hurry. 393 00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:32,500 ( Lucy gasps ) 394 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:37,379 Oh my God. That's-- that's him. 395 00:21:37,546 --> 00:21:42,09 He stopped me on the street a couple of times. 396 00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:44,178 Which one is he, hmm? 397 00:21:44,345 --> 00:21:47,890 It's num-- number four. 398 00:21:48,57 --> 00:21:51,227 He said that he needed me. 399 00:21:53,437 --> 00:21:55,189 Let's get the video camera. 400 00:21:55,356 --> 00:21:57,191 One more shot at him and he's gonna talk. 401 00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,568 Yeah. 402 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:02,696 Your dad will be here soon. You don't have to talk now. 403 00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:04,990 Was Lucy here? 404 00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,327 She says she saw you that night. 405 00:22:13,499 --> 00:22:15,334 ( Knocking on door ) 406 00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:25,886 Had these on him when he was booked. 407 00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:41,318 Lucy's ring, Jesse, 408 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:49,743 Her medal. 409 00:22:54,582 --> 00:22:56,709 Where'd you get these? 410 00:22:58,127 --> 00:23:00,212 She wouldn't listen. 411 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:03,299 | just wanted to talk. 412 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,11 She told me to leave her alone. 413 00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:09,597 | didn't want to hurt her. 414 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,58 God, her eyes... 415 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:16,437 if you saw her eyes. 416 00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:20,65 She walked right by me. 417 00:23:21,442 --> 00:23:23,944 She didn't say anything. 418 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:27,865 | tried to tell her how | need her. 419 00:23:28,32 --> 00:23:30,659 | didn't want to hurt her. 420 00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,541 She just got tangled up in her dog leash... 421 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:43,297 and | went to help her, and she started hitting at me... 422 00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:45,883 and the dog was barking. 423 00:23:47,217 --> 00:23:49,303 | just wanted to talk to her. 424 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:55,225 That's all, | ju-- | just wanted to talk to her. 425 00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:58,979 Olivet: How long have you been aware of Lucy Neven? 426 00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:01,23 Jesse: Ever since | can remember. 427 00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:04,234 - Olivet: Did you first recognize her on her TV show? - Come on, Ben... 428 00:24:04,401 --> 00:24:07,696 - Jesse: Yes. - You saw that tape-- this guy's got toys in the attic. 429 00:24:07,863 --> 00:24:11,75 Is he competent enough to help you with his case? 430 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:13,535 | guarantee you he didn't know what he was doing. 431 00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:15,621 That's not the issue here, is it? 432 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,456 Can he help you defend him? 433 00:24:17,623 --> 00:24:20,250 Maybe he can, but he's still bonkers. 434 00:24:20,417 --> 00:24:22,628 He didn't know what he was doing when he attacked her. 435 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:25,130 You don’t know that and neither do I. 436 00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:27,925 Let's first see if he can stand trial. 437 00:24:28,92 --> 00:24:31,553 I've seen trials on TV. Lucy was in one. 438 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,430 What happens at a trial, Jesse? 439 00:24:33,597 --> 00:24:35,808 Why are you asking me that, hmm? 440 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:38,394 We both know they decide if you're guilty. 441 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,479 What does your lawyer do? 442 00:24:40,646 --> 00:24:43,357 He tries to defend me from-- 443 00:24:43,524 --> 00:24:47,69 he keeps me from going to jail. 444 00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:49,655 Why would you go to jail, Jesse? 445 00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:52,282 Sorry, Dr. Olivet, off limits. 446 00:24:52,449 --> 00:24:54,660 I'm not asking about the crime, Dr. Mandel, 447 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,162 I'm asking if he understands why people go to jail. 448 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:59,331 People go to jail because they break the law. 449 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,542 Hurting somebody-- is that breaking the law? 450 00:25:03,02 --> 00:25:04,837 These are stupid questions. 451 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:09,383 Jesse, please-- is it wrong to hurt somebody? 452 00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:11,927 | just wanted to talk to her. 453 00:25:12,94 --> 00:25:14,138 That's all. 454 00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:19,810 Your Honor, what is the argument? 455 00:25:19,977 --> 00:25:21,812 Mr. Unger understands the legal process. 456 00:25:21,979 --> 00:25:25,149 Ben, he babbled a confession. That doesn't give you a problem? 457 00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:28,485 He was frightened. That does not mean he's not competent to stand trial. 458 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,30 He does not understand the criminal justice system. 459 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:33,949 - He knows what a trial is. - Hey, hey, this isn't free-for-all. 460 00:25:34,116 --> 00:25:36,35 | ask the questions. 461 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:39,496 You honestly contend he can't give you pertinent facts? 462 00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:42,499 Judge, he is suffering a neurotic denial. 463 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:45,210 It is hard to get any information out of him at all. 464 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:48,422 Well, I'll read the doctors’ reports again. 465 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:51,633 Meantime, Mr. Unger stays at Rikers. 466 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:55,929 Man: Come on, Lucy, you can do it. 467 00:25:56,96 --> 00:25:58,223 Right to the end. 468 00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:00,142 Keep walking. 469 00:26:01,351 --> 00:26:03,520 It's a piece of cake. 470 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:11,487 They say if we go to trial, that you'll be able to testify. 471 00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:13,447 It's your choice. 472 00:26:13,614 --> 00:26:15,616 Don't force yourself, honey. 473 00:26:15,783 --> 00:26:20,996 I'll testify if | have to crawl into the courtroom. 474 00:26:23,82 --> 00:26:25,375 He came after me before. 475 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,920 He called the house saveral times. 476 00:26:28,87 --> 00:26:31,590 Somehow he got the number. 477 00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:33,634 If he doesn't go to jail-- 478 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:35,594 ( coughing ) 479 00:26:35,761 --> 00:26:37,596 ( gasps ) 480 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:52,820 Lucy, I'll do everything | can 481 00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:54,947 to make sure that never happens. 482 00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:00,285 Schreiber says we can indict him. 483 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,579 He's competent to stand trial. 484 00:27:06,41 --> 00:27:07,835 Does that serve justice-- 485 00:27:08,01 --> 00:27:10,879 Jesse Unger on trial, Jesse Unger in prison? 486 00:27:11,46 --> 00:27:14,174 If he's responsible for his actions, yes, | think justice is served. 487 00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:17,302 Mr. Stone, my son, 488 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:20,305 after he lost his mother-- 489 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:23,475 you can't imagine-- | tried to help him. 490 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,811 Why didn't you seek professional help? 491 00:27:25,978 --> 00:27:28,522 He's not like other people. 492 00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:30,649 He never seemed dangerous. 493 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:33,735 Jack, it's your meeting. 494 00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:37,72 Reconsider going to trial, Ben-- work out some kind of treatment for him. 495 00:27:37,239 --> 00:27:39,741 If they can protect Lucy Neven from him-- 496 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,703 - You know that they can't. - A jury can. 497 00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:46,165 All I've got to do is prove that he was insane 498 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,876 at the moment he attacked her, not a second before. 499 00:27:49,42 --> 00:27:50,961 Not a second after. 500 00:27:51,128 --> 00:27:54,464 I've tried a lot of these cases, Ben, you haven't. 501 00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:57,92 I'm a quick study. 502 00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:59,178 Why is Gaffney so confident? 503 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,513 Insanity defenses are not easy to win. 504 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,100 Olivet'll testify he's not delusional. What more can we do? 505 00:28:05,267 --> 00:28:08,270 "Delusional"-- fancy word. 506 00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:10,689 Might as well say "subordinated debenture." 507 00:28:10,856 --> 00:28:13,734 A jury knows “crazy” and "not crazy," Paul. 508 00:28:13,901 --> 00:28:15,652 They don't know "legally crazy." 509 00:28:15,819 --> 00:28:17,863 You know what really worries me? 510 00:28:18,30 --> 00:28:21,408 | make my best case to prove he's sane, we lose. 511 00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:23,285 He goes to a hospital, 512 00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:27,748 | have to turn 180° and argue he is not sane 513 00:28:27,915 --> 00:28:30,667 so they keep him there. It's no-win. 514 00:28:30,834 --> 00:28:33,212 Maybe we make a deal-- assault. 515 00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:36,256 Bad risk-- goes away for a couple years, 516 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:39,09 as soon as he gets out, he could kill that woman. 517 00:28:39,176 --> 00:28:40,969 ( phone buzzes ) 518 00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:47,726 Mm-hmm? 519 00:28:50,229 --> 00:28:53,273 Lucy Neven-- better talk to her. 520 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,277 How could they let him mail it? Why didn't somebody stop him? 521 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:02,157 "| never wanted to hurt you. | had to bring you close. 522 00:29:02,324 --> 00:29:04,660 We're the same person. We'll always be close." 523 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:06,745 I'm sorry, this shouldn't have happened. 524 00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:11,41 They put a watch on his mail today. 525 00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:13,585 He said we're the same person. 526 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,255 He sounds crazier than ever. 527 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,549 He's shrewder than ever. He wants to sound crazy. 528 00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,636 Do we have to turn this over to Gaffney? 529 00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:27,99 If we don't turn it over, he's gonna get a subpoena anyway. 530 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:29,226 Jesse's gonna tell him he sent the letter, 531 00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:31,478 and they're gonna use it to show how crazy he is. 532 00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:33,730 That's what he wants. 533 00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:39,611 Stone: And after reading the report of his personal history? 534 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:41,238 | examined Mr. Unger. 535 00:29:41,405 --> 00:29:43,991 Did you reach any conclusions about his mental condition? 536 00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:45,367 Yes, | have. 537 00:29:45,534 --> 00:29:48,745 Mr. Unger has personality and character disorders. 538 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,164 He's obsessive-compulsive, 539 00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:54,126 and exhibits signs of extreme depression. 540 00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:57,879 Does this mean he is incapable of understanding the consequences of his actions? 541 00:29:58,46 --> 00:30:02,384 No, it means he's unhappy, and in some ways dysfunctional. 542 00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:06,179 In your expert opinion, does Mr. Unger suffer from any condition 543 00:30:06,346 --> 00:30:08,974 that would impair his ability to know right from wrong? 544 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:11,935 Despite his emotional problems, in my opinion, 545 00:30:12,102 --> 00:30:16,231 Mr. Unger has a complete understanding of the consequences of his actions. 546 00:30:16,398 --> 00:30:18,191 Thank you. No further questions. 547 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,569 Dr. Olivet, 548 00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:25,407 you spent three hours talking to Mr. Unger. 549 00:30:27,75 --> 00:30:28,827 Do you think that's sufficient time 550 00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:31,413 to make a judgment on his mental health? 551 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:34,207 -Yes, | do. - Admirable. 552 00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:38,837 So you are telling this court, with absolute assurance, 553 00:30:39,04 --> 00:30:42,90 that Mr. Unger did not have an episode 554 00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:44,92 in which he did not know 555 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:46,178 the consequences of his behavior? 556 00:30:46,345 --> 00:30:49,473 In my opinion, Mr. Unger knows right from wrong. 557 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:53,560 He told me he'd been watching me 558 00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:56,271 because he knew | would-- 559 00:30:56,438 --> 00:31:00,108 | would love him if only | met him. 560 00:31:00,275 --> 00:31:03,111 He was very excited, 561 00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:06,573 so | tried to keep him calm, 562 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:10,786 and then | tried to get away. 563 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:13,413 He told me to stop. 564 00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:16,958 And when | didn't, he attacked me. 565 00:31:20,629 --> 00:31:23,673 Ms. Neven, prior to this attack, 566 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,134 had you ever seen the defendant before? 567 00:31:26,301 --> 00:31:30,597 He accosted me on the street several times-- 568 00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:33,642 | don't remember how many. 569 00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:37,604 He told me that he had called me on the phone. 570 00:31:38,647 --> 00:31:40,23 What is your profession? 571 00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:43,902 I'm-- | was an actress. 572 00:31:44,69 --> 00:31:46,71 You were an actress? 573 00:31:46,238 --> 00:31:47,906 Does that mean you don't expect 574 00:31:48,73 --> 00:31:49,574 to be able to continue your career? 575 00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:51,451 Objection-- relevance. 576 00:31:51,618 --> 00:31:53,578 The extent of Ms. Neven's injuries is relevant 577 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,497 to the attempted murder charge, Your Honor. 578 00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:58,792 Overruled. The witness will answer. 579 00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:03,964 I'll be happy if I'm able to walk. 580 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,219 Thank you. No further questions. 581 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:12,389 Mr. Gaffney? 582 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:23,525 | have no questions of this withess. 583 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,948 - Olivet was convincing. - Convincing isn't the point. 584 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:33,910 Did they understand "crazy" versus "legally crazy"? 585 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,459 ( bell jingles ) 586 00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:46,631 Voices, delusions-- convenient. 587 00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:50,594 The one illness that wins an insanity defense. 588 00:32:51,178 --> 00:32:53,388 You read Mandel's transcript. 589 00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:55,182 Jesse talk about voices then? 590 00:32:55,348 --> 00:32:57,476 Mandel interviewed him again. 591 00:32:57,642 --> 00:32:58,935 Yeah, | wonder why? 592 00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,771 Gaffney-- would he coach his client? 593 00:33:01,938 --> 00:33:04,941 Well, it's hard to believe. It's not his style. 594 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:07,569 I'll tell you one voice Jesse Unger is hearing-- 595 00:33:07,736 --> 00:33:10,280 the voice telling him how not to get convicted. 596 00:33:13,74 --> 00:33:17,245 Listen to this. "Mandel: "Why didn’t you tell me you heard voices?" 597 00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:21,166 Jesse: "The voice said not to tell you. My father said | should." 598 00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,418 "My father said | should." 599 00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:26,546 Your interviews-- ho voices? 600 00:33:28,89 --> 00:33:29,758 Is he delusional? 601 00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:32,677 Am | 100% sure? 99. 602 00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,722 - I'd prefer 100. - Never happens. 603 00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:38,600 Somebody told Dad what would get Jesse off. 604 00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:40,560 Dad told Jesse. 605 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:43,313 Voices are a very specific symptom. 606 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,441 - Mandel. - Intentionally, | doubt it. 607 00:33:46,608 --> 00:33:48,652 What about Gaffney? 608 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,571 Paul read the transcripts of his other cases. 609 00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:53,490 Not all of 'em. 610 00:33:54,783 --> 00:33:56,785 Well, then, dig up the ones you haven't read 611 00:33:56,952 --> 00:33:59,829 and let's find out how crazy his other clients really were. 612 00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:06,419 After Jesse's mother died, he couldn't concentrate. 613 00:34:07,546 --> 00:34:09,381 He used to say he was going crazy. 614 00:34:11,341 --> 00:34:13,552 What was he most concerned about? 615 00:34:14,803 --> 00:34:17,180 He thought the world was going to blow up. 616 00:34:17,347 --> 00:34:19,516 What were some of his other problems? 617 00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:24,479 He said he heard voices in his head. 618 00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:27,649 Like a radio. 619 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:30,902 Thank you. 620 00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:38,159 Mr. Unger... 621 00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:42,80 when exactly did Jesse tell you he heard voices? 622 00:34:43,707 --> 00:34:46,751 | think maybe in his sophomore year in high school-- 623 00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:49,713 could have been earlier, maybe later. 624 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:51,381 Il can't remember. 625 00:34:51,548 --> 00:34:55,51 What did he say these voices told him? 626 00:34:57,971 --> 00:34:59,514 Il can't remember. 627 00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:02,475 You remember he heard voices. 628 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:05,812 | do. Yes, | do. 629 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:08,481 Did you seek psychiatric care for your son at this time? 630 00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:15,280 No. Why not? 631 00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:17,240 Well... 632 00:35:19,34 --> 00:35:20,827 I'm not sure why | didn't. 633 00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:24,497 That's odd. 634 00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:26,833 Thank you. 635 00:35:27,00 --> 00:35:31,212 Mr. Unger suffers from processive disintegration. 636 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:34,758 One of the symptoms is command hallucinations-- 637 00:35:34,924 --> 00:35:36,968 voices telling him to do things. 638 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,304 Now, Dr. Mandel... 639 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,890 Jesse Unger told you 640 00:35:42,57 --> 00:35:46,61 that he heard voices telling him 641 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:48,605 to kill Lucy Neven. 642 00:35:48,772 --> 00:35:53,568 Would that mean that he was out of control of his actions? 643 00:35:53,735 --> 00:35:55,403 In my opinion, yes. 644 00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:59,199 Mr. Unger is often guided by an overpowering voice 645 00:35:59,366 --> 00:36:00,909 he believes to be real. 646 00:36:01,76 --> 00:36:02,994 Thank you, Doctor. 647 00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:09,84 "Processive disintegration." 648 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,840 Is that a recognized medical diagnosis? 649 00:36:16,07 --> 00:36:20,53 It's my language for a combination of disorders. 650 00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:23,181 So it does not exist in standard reference works? 651 00:36:23,348 --> 00:36:25,433 Yes, that's right. 652 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,436 Now you testified that you interviewed Jesse twice. 653 00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:31,314 Did he mention hearing voices in the first interview? 654 00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:33,149 No, he was afraid to. 655 00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:36,611 So he never mentioned voices until you brought it up? 656 00:36:36,778 --> 00:36:38,405 - Yes. - Thank you. 657 00:36:38,571 --> 00:36:40,990 - But-- - Thank you, Doctor. 658 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,160 Stone: | think they're playing with the system. 659 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:45,745 Lying? All of ‘em? 660 00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:49,207 You think the shrink coached “em? 661 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,459 Maybe. 662 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,628 Gaffney? 663 00:36:53,795 --> 00:36:55,463 You don't think a lawyer would do it. 664 00:36:55,630 --> 00:36:58,425 Olivet doesn't think a shrink would do it. We're back where we started. 665 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:01,803 He goes to a hospital, he says suddenly that he's cured, 666 00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:04,723 he doesn't hear voices anymore, and he's out on the street again 667 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,600 faster than Lucy Neven can change her phone number. 668 00:37:07,767 --> 00:37:10,186 ( knocks ) 669 00:37:10,353 --> 00:37:12,313 | finished Gaffney's cases-- 670 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,899 all the way back to '79. 671 00:37:15,66 --> 00:37:18,862 13 insanity defenses, seven acquittals. 672 00:37:19,28 --> 00:37:22,407 Three of them, defendants were delusional after they started trial. 673 00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:25,410 - Right. - It's not a clear pattern. 674 00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:27,620 | grant you it's questionable. 675 00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:30,290 Call Mr. Unger. Say, if he agrees, 676 00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:32,333 we'd like to meet with him alone. 677 00:37:35,44 --> 00:37:36,963 That's absurd. 678 00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:39,966 You think | would lie under oath? 679 00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:42,761 As a parent, yes, | think you would. 680 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:45,180 You want my son in jail. 681 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,390 Do you want me in jail, too? 682 00:37:48,808 --> 00:37:50,518 Do you have children, Mr. Stone? 683 00:37:50,685 --> 00:37:53,688 Are they healthy, happy? 684 00:37:53,855 --> 00:37:56,733 We all want our children to be happy. 685 00:37:58,26 --> 00:38:00,779 If not so, at least protected. 686 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,698 My son is sick. 687 00:38:03,865 --> 00:38:06,451 There is no dispute. 688 00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:10,163 Good night. 689 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:19,923 He had no right to drag Bill Unger down here. 690 00:38:20,89 --> 00:38:22,91 Mr. Unger was invited. 691 00:38:22,258 --> 00:38:25,345 You wanted him to implicate me in perjury. 692 00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:28,723 Three cases, your clients never heard voices until trial. 693 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,809 Mandel was your shrink on two of 'em. 694 00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:34,521 If | want to discuss Jesse's symptoms with his father, that's my job. 695 00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:36,397 Jack, you're overplaying your hand. 696 00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:38,66 There's an appearance of impropriety. 697 00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:40,860 File a complaint with the disciplinary committee, 698 00:38:42,904 --> 00:38:44,489 The ghost of John Hinkley-- 699 00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:46,574 that the problem? 700 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:50,78 Shoots the President of the Untied States and gets off? 701 00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:53,206 You're desperate, aren't you? 702 00:38:53,373 --> 00:38:55,416 You want out of this? 703 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,502 I'll plead it. 704 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:59,128 Assault one. 705 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,217 Gentleman, think about it. 706 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:09,305 ( door opens, closes ) 707 00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:12,58 | don't know, Adam. Jesse Unger could walk. 708 00:39:12,225 --> 00:39:14,602 Gaffney's bluffing with assault. 709 00:39:14,769 --> 00:39:17,981 He'll take manslaughter one, attempt. 710 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:24,112 | should talk with Lucy Neven. 711 00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:29,284 What does it mean? How long? 712 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:32,954 A minimum of five years, a maximum of 15. 713 00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:37,584 What do you think? 714 00:39:38,918 --> 00:39:41,212 It's your life, but honestly, 715 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:44,132 | don't know what that jury'll do. 716 00:39:46,843 --> 00:39:51,431 Is there any way we can make sure it's 15? 717 00:39:52,974 --> 00:39:56,936 The parole board? We can recommend. 718 00:39:58,229 --> 00:39:59,981 We have no control over them. 719 00:40:00,148 --> 00:40:02,525 And they're just as unpredictable as juries. 720 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:06,195 Why me? 721 00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:08,615 | can't give him anything. 722 00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:16,372 I'll take my chances with the jury, 723 00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:18,791 if it's all right with you. 724 00:40:21,169 --> 00:40:23,338 Lucy, the jury... 725 00:40:25,465 --> 00:40:28,217 it may not give you what you want. 726 00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:33,139 What | want is what | had. 727 00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:41,564 How often do you hear this voice, Jesse? 728 00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:45,360 Jesse: She talks to me when | get confused. 729 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:48,321 It's a woman's voice? Mm-hmm. 730 00:40:48,488 --> 00:40:51,199 Does the voice have a hame? 731 00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:54,577 No, she's-- she's just there. 732 00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:56,162 What does she tell you? 733 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:59,916 Can't talk about that. 734 00:41:00,83 --> 00:41:02,85 Gaffney: Jesse... 735 00:41:02,251 --> 00:41:07,215 did this voice tell you to hurt Lucy Neven? 736 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:14,138 She told me that if Lucy wouldn't love me, 737 00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,849 that | had to kill her. 738 00:41:20,103 --> 00:41:22,480 Is this your handwriting? 739 00:41:22,647 --> 00:41:24,774 Mm-hmm. 740 00:41:24,941 --> 00:41:27,443 Did you write this to Lucy and send it to her? 741 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:29,445 Yes, | did. 742 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:32,573 I'd like you to read from the top, 743 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,659 out loud to the court. 744 00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:40,81 "Dear Lucy, | Know you understand, 745 00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:43,376 | never meant to hurt you. | wanted to protect you." 746 00:41:43,543 --> 00:41:47,505 Louder, son, so everyone can hear. 747 00:41:50,258 --> 00:41:53,511 "| know you understand | never meant to hurt you. 748 00:41:53,678 --> 00:41:55,930 | wanted to protect you. 749 00:41:56,97 --> 00:41:58,558 | Know that you care about me. 750 00:41:58,725 --> 00:42:00,852 | know we could be together. 751 00:42:01,19 --> 00:42:03,104 | would do anything for you. 752 00:42:03,271 --> 00:42:06,149 | didn't want to hit you. 753 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:08,443 | love you. 754 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,362 See, inside we're the same. 755 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:13,740 We're the same people." 756 00:42:16,75 --> 00:42:17,952 Gaffney: Thank you, Jesse. 757 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,458 Mr. Unger, how old were you 758 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,627 when you first heard this woman's voice? 759 00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:29,922 | don't remember. She's always with me. 760 00:42:31,132 --> 00:42:33,134 And aside from Lucy Neven, 761 00:42:33,301 --> 00:42:36,12 did the voice ask you to hurt other people? 762 00:42:36,179 --> 00:42:38,306 | don't remember. 763 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:41,350 If you had the opportunity, 764 00:42:41,517 --> 00:42:44,312 would you still want to talk with Lucy Neven? 765 00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:45,646 Uh-huh. 766 00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,440 Would you continue to write to her? 767 00:42:47,607 --> 00:42:49,567 Yes, I'd have to. 768 00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:54,155 And if you had the opportunity, would you want to pursue a relationship with her? 769 00:42:55,323 --> 00:42:58,117 | don't Know. Maybe. 770 00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:01,537 Nothing's changed. 771 00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:04,165 Stone: Nothing's changed? 772 00:43:04,332 --> 00:43:07,543 No. Nothing. 773 00:43:11,506 --> 00:43:13,925 So what are you to decide? 774 00:43:14,92 --> 00:43:18,12 In our society, we make exceptions for mental illness. 775 00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:20,807 But should that exception be made 776 00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:24,143 when it endangers the life of another human being? 777 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:27,271 And Jesse Unger has made it perfectly clear 778 00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:30,566 that he will come after Lucy Neven again and again, 779 00:43:30,733 --> 00:43:32,735 until he gets what he wants from her. 780 00:43:32,902 --> 00:43:35,29 And if he can't have her, 781 00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:37,740 he’ll make sure ho one else does. 782 00:43:37,907 --> 00:43:40,618 Now, is this obsession insane? 783 00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:46,666 No one can completely know the mind of another human being. 784 00:43:46,833 --> 00:43:50,253 We can't crawl inside his skin and see the world as he sees it. 785 00:43:50,419 --> 00:43:52,171 However, we do know 786 00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:55,842 that Jesse Unger had no documented history 787 00:43:56,08 --> 00:43:58,553 of delusional episodes prior to this case. 788 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,98 In fact, he made no mention of delusions 789 00:44:02,265 --> 00:44:05,184 or hearing voices until after his father 790 00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:09,397 had asked for a second psychiatric evaluation. 791 00:44:09,564 --> 00:44:12,441 Now, under the law, we human beings 792 00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:14,360 are responsible for our actions, 793 00:44:14,527 --> 00:44:18,698 except for one thing-- delusional mental illness. 794 00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:24,203 Jesse Unger's convenient and last-minute reporting 795 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:27,832 of this condition is a responsible act. 796 00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:31,752 He knows, as Clearly as you or |, 797 00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:34,422 that he brutally attacked Lucy Neven. 798 00:44:34,589 --> 00:44:36,757 And he knows just as clearly 799 00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:40,469 what he has to do to escape punishment. 800 00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:45,641 Now, he destroyed Lucy Neven's life. 801 00:44:47,268 --> 00:44:49,770 Hold him responsible for it. 802 00:44:54,317 --> 00:44:56,277 Judge: On the sole count of the indictment, 803 00:44:56,444 --> 00:44:59,71 attempted murder in the second degree, how do you find? 804 00:44:59,238 --> 00:45:01,574 We find the defendant guilty. 805 00:45:01,741 --> 00:45:04,785 - (audience murmuring ) -Judge: | thank the jury for their service. 806 00:45:04,952 --> 00:45:06,621 - (gavel strikes ) - Court is adjourned. 807 00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:08,372 Sentencing hearing to be scheduled. 808 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:11,584 -Man #1: Excuse me. - Man #2: Let's get out of here. 809 00:45:11,751 --> 00:45:13,544 Thank you. 810 00:45:31,938 --> 00:45:35,149 Well, you may not be happy. Lucy Neven is. 811 00:45:35,316 --> 00:45:38,110 You know as well as | do that the law ought to be changed. 812 00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:39,987 Juries are not psychiatrists. 813 00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:42,490 He never got the help he needed, Ben. 814 00:45:42,657 --> 00:45:45,159 And the jury followed the only law we've got. 815 00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:48,579 We're not gods. We're not even angels. 816 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:52,792 He should be in a hospital. We put him in jail. 817 00:46:06,97 --> 00:46:09,642 ( theme music plays ) 58715

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