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There's nothing pure and nothing more
spiritual to me than children.

I think it's the most golden thing we
have.

I can be myself and jump into their
magical world.

you told me right now that, Michael, you
could never see another child, I would

kill myself.

And I swear to you, I would do it.

Because I have nothing else to live for.

See the way I feel about Gavin?

I'll multiply that millions of times
over.

And that's why I know this magic of love
is so important.

He is such a beautiful child.

I told him, I said, you look just like
an angel.

Michael said, Gavin, when you get out of
the hospital, you come to Neverland

Ranch and I will heal you.

And then the Martin Brashear documentary
caused a worldwide commotion.

And then he finally said, okay, if you
love me, you can sleep on the bed.

I was like, oh, man.

And so I finally slept on the bed.

You've got to give the devil his due.

Martin Bashir did an incredible job.

Did that lead to the trial?

You bet.

People just can't stop talking about the
interview with Michael Jackson, a

British documentary which aired in the
US last night.

The man is 44 years old. What in the
hell is he doing sleeping in the bed

kids who are not his, who are not
related?

The Martin Bashir documentary drops.

And it's like the pedophile herd around
the world.

For Michael Jackson, this was a nuclear
bomb.

Why can't you share your bed?

The most loving thing to do is to share
your bed with someone.

You really think that? Yeah.

The media painted Michael to be a child
molester, and they replayed that Bashir

clip probably one billion times.

Why are you holding the hand of a 13
-year -old kid?

You know that if it were any of us and
we were engaging in that kind of

behavior, the cops would be all over us.
They're not going to investigate.

You would be cringing if your client got
on national TV and said worse than the

fact that he'd hosted sleepover parties
for small boys.

The media certainly felt that Michael
was fair game to go after anything and

everything. He hated it.

The press, they wait with knives.

Because I was the pioneer.

And that's why they start the stories.

He's weird, he's gay.

Anything to turn people against me, they
try their hardest.

It's a frenzy. My phone doesn't stop
ringing with press people. They want to

talk. You know, everybody wants to get a
story going.

I even get a phone call from a tabloid
offering me an incredible amount of

just to talk dirt.

It's a PR meltdown.

There is tremendous pressure to get it
all under control.

Michael, great entertainer, big
celebrity status.

But he has a habit of tripping.

So when this Bashir interview was
released in the United States, I get a

from my friend Frank.

who's Michael Jackson's ER manager.

He's like, come out to L .A.

and come out working this damage
control, which is occurring right now.

Frank was very close to Michael. I asked
him, you know, before I leave and I

take this job, has Michael ever harmed a
child?

And he says, Vin, you know me.

I am the closest person to him.

And he said, never would happen.

So I trusted Frank, and I made a
decision to take the job.

The best thing that we could do to
defend Michael Jackson was to film our

documentary to get a really good
rebuttal to who Michael was and that

good person.

Michael Jackson Take Two is going to air
on Fox February 20th. So then what do

you think about Michael's version of
this show that's going to come out?

Positive spin!

I mean, it'll help him. It'll help him,
but he said what he said.

For about a week to a week and a half, I
was trying to line up all the press

around the documentary.

The participation of the boy in the
documentary, Gavin Aviso, is a key

in how it's all going to work.

So the idea is we're going to capture an
interview with the Aviso family.

to show that there hadn't been improper
contact or conduct between Michael

Jackson and Gavin.

It was essentially to get this interview
done before the tabloids get a hold of

this family.

My first task dealing with the Arvizo
family was...

to go pick up the mother, Janet Arvizo,
and bring her to Michael's videographer.

She was very upset.

She was complaining about the family and
all their dreams are shattered now

because of this.

We started pretty late in the evening.

I talked the family through what we're
going to be talking about, basically

giving them a rundown that this is a
total fluff interview, but we want you

be honest.

The family is supposedly totally on
board, but the mom won't start the

because I need signed model releases
before we can do the interview.

But she didn't want to sign the model
releases.

Why don't you sign a model release?

Money. All right. So is she worried that
she's not going to get a piece of this

if we sell this footage?

And then suddenly she's on the phone
with lawyers.

At some point, someone tells Janet that
it's okay for us to sign the model

releases and to film the interview.

Wait, wait. You know how Bashir... Hey,
you know how Bashir zoomed in on him

holding hands?

Do that, the same thing. Because, you
know... Because that's what a mother...

Like you know how a father does.

Or a father does with his son, you know?
And they try to make it out to be

something wrong and dirty.

So you can have that.

When I first met Michael, all I thought
was he was a loving, kind, humble man.

And all he wanted to do was good.

As I'm doing an interview, I really do
feel like Gavin is very sincere.

He treats me like he's my father.

He gives young advice.

Michael is exactly an unanswered prayer
to my children and me.

Michael is there for us, there for all
three of them.

Janet's just over the top.

I dislike her immediately.

Every door closed on us, and Michael
said, all my doors are open.

My home is your home and your children.

I am like their father.

And his interactions with my children
were all innocent as a father interacts

with their children.

Where she really loses my credibility is
just how she suddenly adopted this idea

that Michael is their real father.

Either this mom is completely in love
with Michael Jackson or

she's driven by the world of Michael
Jackson possibilities.

It disturbed me greatly when I saw them
and the innuendos he was making. They

took a beautiful relationship that he
has with Gavin and spun it out of

We completed the interview.

But then the director of photography
would not give me the footage.

This interview was obviously very
important, and he wanted Michael to pay

So, unfortunately, it never went into
the box special.

It wasn't a good situation with tabloids
hovering around everybody at the time.

I had a strong feeling that I didn't
trust Janet.

So I am absolutely worried that this is
the type of person who might take money

to say Michael Jackson blessed my kid.
Because there's a lot of money in that.

friends and the friends that are family
to me are because they have exhibited

honesty, trustworthiness, love.

This video, I've never seen it. I don't
know how you guys got all this.

And that is why we are very thankful and
appreciate that Michael calls us family

because he exhibits all that and he
gives these boys much direction

So what you're seeing in Janet here, she
just truly wants this all to be true.

Because this is just a godsend that
there would be a male influence in her

children's life who was kind and caring.

She says things very dramatically, but
Janet really feels what she's saying.

I know her. That's what she feels.

You know, she had been going through a
lot of stuff.

She was getting a divorce.

Gavin's father had been abusive to her
and the kids.

So at this point, the idea that somebody
this important would value her children

and parent them, that was meaningful to
her, like extraordinarily meaningful to

her at the time.

She craved it.

After the Martin Bashir documentary
aired, I became concerned. I start

Their numbers are disconnected.

I didn't know where she was.

Clearly, they were at the center of a
hurricane.

Anybody that had any kind of show would
have wanted to talk to this family.

Michael Jackson's team would have wanted
to keep them contained.

Okay, everybody, that two -hour
documentary on living with Michael

still making news. Michael Jackson's
image has taken a brutal beating over

past few months, as you know.

Among the madness of this year,

I get a phone call, hey, we're going to
go to Gary, Indiana and visit Michael's

child at home.

Any kind of distraction.

Give them some new Michael Jackson stuff
that was positive.

I would like to officially, on behalf of
the men and the women and the young

people of the city of Gary, welcome back
home, Mr. Michael Jackson.

I am the biggest fan. Well, probably not
the biggest because there's a lot of

them here, but I just love Michael
Jackson. Just his persona. He loves

In a good way, he loves children.

He's a role model.

I love him. I originally thought we were
going because he wanted to visit.

It's hometown, but as it turns out, it
was to capture footage of Michael's

humble beginnings, because that was what
the narrative was going to be. It was

going to be the sickly, sweet, you know,
here comes the king, you know, like

wah, wah.

The management of Michael's image,
that's the number one thing.

When you saw Michael's childhood home,
it was pretty rough.

We're talking a small two -room home
where 10 or 11 people lived.

Michael grew up in abject poverty,
certainly in an age of discrimination.

Opportunities for black men and black
families especially were very limited.

But the one thing that really affected
him was his relationship with his

Father, he did some rough, cruel... The
way he would beat you, he would make you

strip nude first.

So when the foot of the ironing cord hit
you, it would just, you know, fall on

your face, your back, everywhere.

He would tell us, don't call me dad, I'm
Joseph.

I never felt love from him.

All I want is his love, his approval.

I think the broken relationship between
father and son was monumental.

There were really like two Michael
Jackson. One needed love and validation.

The other needed attention and
celebrity.

I proudly present to you Mr. Michael
Jackson.

Everything is already geared up like a
machine.

All this love.

It's all orchestrated to get support
from the fans, you know, because they

defend him no matter what.

The Gary Community School Corporation
welcomes home the king of pop, Michael

Jackson.

The intrigue surrounding Michael
Jackson, it continues tonight.

Would you let your son or daughter stay
over at Neverland?

No, and I can't understand why these
other boys' parents allowed them to

I believe that Child Welfare Services
should interview every child that has

at Neverland with Mr. Jackson in his
bedroom.

The tabloids are still foaming at the
mouth.

And there was a sense that you want to
keep Janet Arvizo, who seems like a bit

of a live wire, as far away from
tabloids and people with checks as

The Arvizo family is surrounded by
Handler.

They're getting carted around by people
inside the Jackson team, and there is a

controlled element of making sure they
don't talk to people that they shouldn't

be talking to.

I would bring Janet and the kids back
and forth between the Neverland Ranch

L .A.

I was told to spend my time with
assisting Janet or Visa, whatever needed

done.

I drove her all over the place.

The obesos are okay with it at first,
but slowly they start to, you know,

resentful of being controlled.

No, no, no, you don't have to go get
your groceries. We'll do it with you.

And then I was told that Vinny was going
to help them move.

And I go, why?

Do they want to move?

Well, we need a better location.

We? Who's we?

You know, so this is curious language.

Our visa family, we're getting a lot of
pressure from the press.

And there was a need for a place where
they can stay, where they can feel safe.

There was also a lot of talk about
taking the family on a vacation.

Then he was running around getting
passport photos.

And I thought that was probably a really
smart idea as well.

And to make sure that this family is off
in Mars as far away from the press and

the tabloids as possible.

I'm being asked, wouldn't you like to
let go to Brazil?

I'm like, no.

Why is the family being coaxed to go to
Brazil?

There is this plan that's going on, but
who's the guy behind the curtain in The

Wizard of Oz?

Nothing's going to get done without
Michael's approval.

He knows what's going on.

One day, I get a frantic phone call from
Janet, who is being kept somewhere and

whispering.

She was panicky.

She wants me to come to where she is and
get her and the kids and bring them

back to my house.

She sounded desperate, and I felt her
panic for her own children.

She felt they were keeping her family at
Neverland.

and that they were going to send them to
Brazil and make the family disappear.

And it's not like you can call the
police and say, you know, I think

family being held against their will by
Michael Jackson.

I don't know if that's a 911 call that's
going to be put through.

I had extended to her, you know, call me
in 24 hours, and then I would have.

better resources in place, and she never
called.

When I became involved with Janet and
her family, they were allowed to go

anywhere they wanted, and I would take
them wherever they wanted.

One day, she said, please bring my
children down to their grandparents'

My mother is sick.

I didn't think anything of it.

After that day, we hadn't heard from
them.

They were done with us, and we were
finished working with them, and that was

They were going to leave any time, any
day.

When I finally heard from Janet, she
told me about the danger that she felt

had been visited upon her family.

They had been kept at Neverland for
three weeks or so, and when Janet got

kids home, they were not behaving
normally.

Janet spoke to a lawyer.

He heard enough and saw these boys and
thought,

I don't like the way this is sounding at
all.

I told Michael, don't work with kids,
work with their parents.

It's their parents who are supposed to
be leading them.

You're not the child's messiah.

I always feel that I don't want the
parents to get jealous because it

sometimes. And I always say, I'm not
trying to take your place.

I'm just trying to help and I want to be
a friend.

And the kids end up just falling in love
with my personality.

Sometimes it gets me into trouble.

In 2003, I was a senior prosecutor in
the district attorney's office.

I was the supervisor of the vulnerable
victims unit.

One morning, I got called in by the
district attorney. He handed me a two

report, and I'm looking at it, and it
seems to be kind of the ordinary

that you see in these investigations,
and I don't understand why I'm sitting

there looking at this thing. It's like
dozens of other cases I've looked at.

And then I look at the top that has the
name. I never went to the name. And the

name was Michael Joe Jackson.

The sheriff's office in Santa Barbara
County had started an investigation into

allegations made by Gavin.

You can sit right there, buddy.

Gavin, can you tell us what your
conversations, what you guys talked

He says that, I know you're stressed out
about all this stuff that's going on,

so I'll have something that will relax
you.

He said, drink it. And I said, what's
that?

And he said, it's drinking. So I drank
it.

I didn't like the taste.

And he asked me, what is it? And he
said, it's wine. It'll help you.

Just keep drinking it. I kept on
drinking it.

And my head started hurting and stuff.

I fell.

Gavin talking about alcohol use was a
grooming situation.

In that interview, he exhibited to me
the typical, if you will,

demeanor of somebody that's been abused.
You know, the shying away from the

questions, not wanting to talk about
anything, keeping himself closed up

the interview.

He said

that

he wanted to show me how to masturbate.
He wanted to show you how to masturbate?

Yeah. Okay.

I said no.

Then he said he'd do it for me.

Okay.

And did he do it for you?

Did he put it on the outside?

Inside?

And what did he do next?

Okay.

Did he stop?

Having to publicly talk about sexual
abuse is not an easy thing.

But he was courageous.

I had complete faith in everything Gavin
was saying.

And there was never a question in my
mind as to the honesty or accuracy of

statement. Never.

But I knew we were going after an
international superstar.

And that changes the equation.

That was the part that was the unknown
for all of us.

Is love and romance two different
things?

I'm in love with innocence.

That's what I'm in love with.

And that's why I love children so much.

I can relate to them easier, much
easier.

See, just play, just love and innocence,
and to find true

happiness and magic, you know?

There are surprising developments at the
home of Michael Jackson.

Authorities are serving a secret search
warrant at his ranch near Santa Barbara,

California. Although there is no
official word as to the nature of the

a number of news outlets are reporting
that the search is tied to allegations

from a 12 -year -old boy that he was
molested by Jackson.

I was watching CNN and I saw all of
these police entering the gates of

Neverland. Investigators have swarmed
Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

Target Neverland is underway.

I picked up the phone and I called
Michael.

He was in Las Vegas.

And I said, Mr. Jackson, are you okay?
And he says, yeah, why?

I said, they're raiding Neverland. He
says, what?

I said, turn on CNN. You'll see it
there. It's live.

They're raiding Neverland.

Michael was really shocked.

I had never seen anything like it. I
mean, the gate of Neverland is a good

from the house. And here's this string
of cars. And to me, it's just abuse.

It's harassment.

The media has set up camp out here.
We're told as many as 60 investigators

inside at this point, searching the
ranch.

It was a very large operation.

I was a newly promoted detective.

I was a big Michael Jackson fan as a
teenager.

When Michael Jackson would come out to
perform, you can imagine teenage girls

screaming at the top of their lungs.

That's what we were doing.

When I was told about the allegations
against Michael Jackson, I was kind of

surprised.

I was assigned to search the main
residence.

How you doing?

Sheriff's Department. We have a search
warrant.

To me, Michael Jackson was just another
celebrity.

When you're dealing with celebrities,
you have accusations that are made.

And you have to take those accusations
with a grain of salt. You have to do

investigation.

Whose office is this?

That's his office.

This is Michael's?

Okay.

Does he have anything else? Michael
Jackson's mansion was like no other

I've ever seen.

There was just so much stuff everywhere.

My

assignment

was going to be going into Michael
Jackson's bedroom.

Somebody said now he's moved upstairs
rather than down here. Gavin

had disclosed that there would be a

briefcase with pornographic magazines
that were used by Michael to provoke

an arousal.

Those items we refer to as grooming
materials.

My job was to do the library.

First thing that caught my attention, it
was all cluttered.

Boxes of books on the floor.

The books I remember seizing were books
of children posing in their underwear.

In and of themselves, they're not child
pornography.

They weren't posing together in sexual
acts or anything like that.

But based on the investigations I'd done
in the past, to me, those were grooming

books.

You know, we'd found books like that in
other situations.

We also found a pair of underwear briefs

stuffed in a box.

They were either very small adult or
children's briefs.

We had asked the housekeeper, where's
the bedroom?

That's when we were told no one was
permitted into his bedroom.

And nobody had a key for his bedroom.

We were able to make entry.

And when we walked in, it was a mess.

Paper, clothes, covering the whole
floor.

I found some pepperoni sausages that
were just... thrown in there.

I remember thinking, oh my gosh, this is
filthy.

Drawers weren't closed right.

You know, I'm sure everyone has a junk
drawer.

There were a lot of junk drawers, if you
would.

Stuff thrown all over.

In the area where the grand piano was,
that's where I located a briefcase,

opened it up.

And there were some magazines with
pornographic materials in them.

So that was a significant item because
it supported what Gavin said.

You know, in that moment, your whole
point of the investigation is to seek

truth. When you talk about an innocent
child who's been taken advantage of,

that's going to stir anger in anyone.

I think that Gavin was very courageous
to be able to come forward and

say what happened.

There were several

items that were taken away as evidence.

caliber of this investigation really hit
me of, oh my,

this is Michael Jackson.

There's definitely the feeling even now
of the intensity of the investigation.

So it's just all surfacing that emotion
again.

I wasn't expecting any emotion, to be
honest with you.

Throughout the night, the search
continued.

Patrol cars gliding past banks of
reporters, camera lights illuminating

perimeter of the 3 ,000 -acre estate.

When we heard about the raid on
Neverland, I'm...

in my childhood bedroom watching my
black and white TV.

Let's just bring people up to date real
quick. The allegations were reportedly

made by a 12 -year -old cancer victim
who said that Jackson gave him booze and

pills at Neverland Ranch.

I just, I couldn't believe it was Gavin.

I just was devastated.

Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police.

California authorities announced an
arrest warrant today accusing Jackson,

45, of multiple felony counts of child
molestation. CBS News has learned that

Michael Jackson will turn himself into
authority in Santa Barbara today.

We briefly interrupt your programming.

Pop star Michael Jackson has surrendered
to authorities in Santa Barbara,

California. After landing just a few
moments ago at the Santa Barbara

he is now en route to the Santa Barbara
jail, where he is about to be booked and

processed.

The media circus, it is in full swing.

Reporters, cameras, and helicopters have
been chasing the Jackson story around

Southern California.

Michael Jackson under arrest.

It is the shot seen around the world,
fingerprinted and photographed. Michael

Jackson like you've never seen him
before.

His lawyer says Jackson is innocent and
outraged.

I was shocked.

Michael called me from the jail. He
says, but can you believe this? I've

nothing wrong.

And they have me all over the news.

Well, I said, you know, you just be you
and you do what you need to do.

Don't be afraid to defend yourself.

He's come back specifically to confront
these charges head on.

But I'm here to tell you today, and
Michael has given me the authority to

his behalf, these charges are
categorically untrue.

Thank you very much.

When I asked him point blank, what is
this about? Who are these people?

Did you do this?

strong and how the conviction of his

speaking to me.

I knew he was innocent.

I knew it. After he was processed, he
snuck out the back door. Through it all,

the fading king of pop still manages to
wave and slash the victory sign.

He went right from the jail to the
airport, the same plane he flew in on,

flew out on, and now Fox has confirmed
he is now back in Las Vegas.

At this point in time, the Arvizo family
were in an apartment in West L .A.

They're very isolated over there. The
children are not going to school, and so

begin visiting.

Gavin was a different person.

He was very different. He was subdued.

And his way of letting me know that

what he was saying was true

in his 14 -year -old way was to say

he got me drunk. I was drunk.

It seemed like how a 14 -year -old would
tell you, this happened

because I wasn't in my right mind, and I
don't want you to think any less of me.

It was just devastating.

I did not believe in any way that
Michael was even capable of doing

like this.

I love this family, and by extension,
love him.

There have been allegations against him
and his past with a boy, Jordan

Chandler, but they went away.

This isn't the first time Jackson has
been accused of child molestation.

Ten years ago, Jackson had been accused
of molesting another child, but the case

was settled out of court.

This time, because the Bashir
documentary was fresh in everybody's

what stood out...

was that boy.

Michael was being so affectionate with
him.

You had to know that they were going to
go all the way with this one, that he's

going to have to face the music in
court.

All of this is going on, and I'm still
like, okay, we got to give Michael the

benefit of the doubt.

We just want to let Michael Jackson know
that he's got friends here in Santa

Barbara. I'll never believe it.

It's just impossible.

MJ would never hurt a child. MJ is the
kindest person in the world.

Michael Jackson, after his booking, made
an allegation to the press that he had

been physically harmed by somebody in
the sheriff's department.

They manhandled me very roughly.

My shoulder is dislocated, literally.

It was a pure fabrication, completely
made up.

It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain
all the time. See this arm? This is as

far as I can reach it.

Same with this side over here.

Because of what happened at the police
station? Yeah, at the police station.

There was an investigation that was
done, and there was no evidence that

had been any kind of harm.

If you saw what they did to my arms, it

was very bad what they did.

I just remember thinking how absurd it
was.

And I thought, who in the world would
believe it?

But apparently there are. I mean, if you
are a believer of Michael Jackson,

you'll believe what he says. It doesn't
matter how preposterous it is.

Before I would hurt a child, I would
slit my wrists.

I would never hurt a child.

It was totally false.

I was outraged.

I could never do something like that.

Michael's biggest attribute, he could
make you feel like so sorry for

him. What time is it?

Because I'm hurting.

I don't feel good.

He had this aura about him.

I know when I've been in his presence, I
felt like, oh, boy, you know,

people should leave Michael alone.

This is nothing but a modern -day
lynching. This is what they want to see,

in handcuffs. You got it. But it won't
be for long, I promise you.

You got a bunch of racist, I'm sorry,
racist rednecks out there who don't care

about people. We are a family. My mother
is very angry. We're all angry. And

we're going to put our soldiers and our
generals together and prepare for war.

That's what this is.

When Jermaine came out and called it the
modern day, in the moment, I thought,

that's a stretch.

It was just to get attention. It was
just to try and galvanize particularly

black America.

When you mention lynching, it's going to
hit here.

And that's exactly what he wanted you to
feel.

I don't understand racism.

My mother, she was pulling out of the
market. And you've got to scream out to

her, go back to Africa, you nigger. Just
like that. It hurt me so much.

I have seen the evilness in man, how
vindictive man can be, how cruel.

how abusive, how judgmental, how they
have hurt me and done all these things,

and what's made me hold on.

What has saved my life is children.

The latest bombshell in the Michael
Jackson case centers around Jackson's

closest business associates and whether
or not they were behind a plot to abduct

and silence the accuser and his family.

ABC News has learned that prosecutors
are focused on two men, Vinnie Amin and

Frank Tyson, both longtime Jackson
associates.

According to sources familiar with the
case, Amin and Tyson are being accused

using pressure tactics to try and
silence the alleged victim's family.

Kidnapping and hostage is horrible,
devastating.

It was wrong.

They went too far with that word.

When it came out, the media said, well,
they can just file an arrest warrant

right on the fly in California.

I mean, I was scared.

I was 22 years old.

We included a conspiracy to commit
kidnapping because in a conspiracy you

put in a lot of information that paints
a very compelling story.

The conspiracy to commit kidnapping was
the efforts that Jackson and his crew

were making to remove the family from
the state of California and from the

United States.

to take them down to Brazil where they
could not be discovered by police, by

enforcement, or by the press.

When someone asked me how I feel, it
couldn't get worse. It just kept getting

worse, worse, worse, worse, worse.

Steve Robel from the Santa Barbara
Sheriff's Department, he wanted to ask

questions. He left voicemails for us.

They were a little threatening.

They basically were like, you know, jump
on board or we may file additional

charges.

We were worried that maybe we would get
searched.

Frank and I decided that we were going
to bring it to the attorney.

Any business items we had that were
associated with Michael Jackson.

So Frank handed me a bag.

Ends up, I take it back to my house
because there was something suspicious

I didn't like.

And when I opened up the bag, I found
this magazine.

It was a naturalist magazine with a
video ordering section that had naked

in it, and there was circles around the
videos to be ordered.

That was just a devastating blow for me.

That was a psychological hit that I
never, you know, now I see how this case

going, and all of a sudden I see that,
and I came to a conclusion that

everything has been lied to me.

Now this is the realm of sexual abuse of
children.

Now it became very real to me.

And it became very real that Frank knew
about what's going on and he's not

coming forward.

I know Frank was

manipulated, but... being associated
with Michael Jackson, who was

children.

It's like a wound that opens up, and
then when you open that wound, it

you psychologically. So I guess I've
done a lot of work on it to heal that

wound, but I think it would always
affect me.

I've had years of healing.

But, you know, it still hurts.

If Michael was actually committing sex
abuse against children, he used to be

brought to justice.

This is just the start of what's likely
to be a very public and dirty war. We're

certainly poised for the trial of the
century.

He is fighting these molestation
charges.

Michael!

I think Michael Jackson is fighting for
his life right now.

Five counts of child molestation, four
counts of supplying a minor with

one count of conspiracy for forced
imprisonment. If he's guilty on all

charges, then he will face a maximum of
18 years and eight months in prison.

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