1 00:00:04,620 --> 00:00:09,600 There's nothing pure and nothing more spiritual to me than children. 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,340 I think it's the most golden thing we have. 3 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:23,260 I can be myself and jump into their magical world. 4 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:44,830 you told me right now that, Michael, you could never see another child, I would 5 00:00:44,830 --> 00:00:45,830 kill myself. 6 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:50,270 And I swear to you, I would do it. 7 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:53,810 Because I have nothing else to live for. 8 00:00:57,630 --> 00:00:59,530 See the way I feel about Gavin? 9 00:01:00,110 --> 00:01:02,390 I'll multiply that millions of times over. 10 00:01:03,490 --> 00:01:06,530 And that's why I know this magic of love is so important. 11 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:08,970 He is such a beautiful child. 12 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:11,960 I told him, I said, you look just like an angel. 13 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,220 Michael said, Gavin, when you get out of the hospital, you come to Neverland 14 00:01:19,220 --> 00:01:21,180 Ranch and I will heal you. 15 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,300 And then the Martin Brashear documentary caused a worldwide commotion. 16 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,240 And then he finally said, okay, if you love me, you can sleep on the bed. 17 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,900 I was like, oh, man. 18 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,800 And so I finally slept on the bed. 19 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,060 You've got to give the devil his due. 20 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,940 Martin Bashir did an incredible job. 21 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,600 Did that lead to the trial? 22 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,200 You bet. 23 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,180 People just can't stop talking about the interview with Michael Jackson, a 24 00:02:00,180 --> 00:02:02,840 British documentary which aired in the US last night. 25 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,520 The man is 44 years old. What in the hell is he doing sleeping in the bed 26 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,759 kids who are not his, who are not related? 27 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,700 The Martin Bashir documentary drops. 28 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:18,420 And it's like the pedophile herd around the world. 29 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,560 For Michael Jackson, this was a nuclear bomb. 30 00:02:23,380 --> 00:02:24,580 Why can't you share your bed? 31 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,820 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 32 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,860 You really think that? Yeah. 33 00:02:32,590 --> 00:02:36,270 The media painted Michael to be a child molester, and they replayed that Bashir 34 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,690 clip probably one billion times. 35 00:02:39,390 --> 00:02:42,370 Why are you holding the hand of a 13 -year -old kid? 36 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:46,170 You know that if it were any of us and we were engaging in that kind of 37 00:02:46,170 --> 00:02:49,070 behavior, the cops would be all over us. They're not going to investigate. 38 00:02:49,510 --> 00:02:53,810 You would be cringing if your client got on national TV and said worse than the 39 00:02:53,810 --> 00:02:56,210 fact that he'd hosted sleepover parties for small boys. 40 00:02:56,690 --> 00:03:00,970 The media certainly felt that Michael was fair game to go after anything and 41 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:02,050 everything. He hated it. 42 00:03:04,010 --> 00:03:05,890 The press, they wait with knives. 43 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:08,770 Because I was the pioneer. 44 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:11,410 And that's why they start the stories. 45 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:13,170 He's weird, he's gay. 46 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:17,370 Anything to turn people against me, they try their hardest. 47 00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:23,470 It's a frenzy. My phone doesn't stop ringing with press people. They want to 48 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:25,830 talk. You know, everybody wants to get a story going. 49 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:31,210 I even get a phone call from a tabloid offering me an incredible amount of 50 00:03:31,210 --> 00:03:32,210 just to talk dirt. 51 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,060 It's a PR meltdown. 52 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:38,280 There is tremendous pressure to get it all under control. 53 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,760 Michael, great entertainer, big celebrity status. 54 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,520 But he has a habit of tripping. 55 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:59,800 So when this Bashir interview was released in the United States, I get a 56 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,800 from my friend Frank. 57 00:04:01,210 --> 00:04:02,930 who's Michael Jackson's ER manager. 58 00:04:03,430 --> 00:04:05,710 He's like, come out to L .A. 59 00:04:06,430 --> 00:04:10,590 and come out working this damage control, which is occurring right now. 60 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:18,690 Frank was very close to Michael. I asked him, you know, before I leave and I 61 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:22,150 take this job, has Michael ever harmed a child? 62 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:23,990 And he says, Vin, you know me. 63 00:04:24,490 --> 00:04:26,890 I am the closest person to him. 64 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:29,610 And he said, never would happen. 65 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,220 So I trusted Frank, and I made a decision to take the job. 66 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:42,960 The best thing that we could do to defend Michael Jackson was to film our 67 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,680 documentary to get a really good rebuttal to who Michael was and that 68 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,559 good person. 69 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Michael Jackson Take Two is going to air on Fox February 20th. So then what do 70 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,660 you think about Michael's version of this show that's going to come out? 71 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:58,700 Positive spin! 72 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:02,800 I mean, it'll help him. It'll help him, but he said what he said. 73 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:06,900 For about a week to a week and a half, I was trying to line up all the press 74 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:07,900 around the documentary. 75 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:15,100 The participation of the boy in the documentary, Gavin Aviso, is a key 76 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:16,700 in how it's all going to work. 77 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:21,840 So the idea is we're going to capture an interview with the Aviso family. 78 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:27,140 to show that there hadn't been improper contact or conduct between Michael 79 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:28,340 Jackson and Gavin. 80 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,540 It was essentially to get this interview done before the tabloids get a hold of 81 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:35,540 this family. 82 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:48,440 My first task dealing with the Arvizo family was... 83 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:53,560 to go pick up the mother, Janet Arvizo, and bring her to Michael's videographer. 84 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,020 She was very upset. 85 00:05:56,700 --> 00:06:01,540 She was complaining about the family and all their dreams are shattered now 86 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:02,540 because of this. 87 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:08,140 We started pretty late in the evening. 88 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:13,200 I talked the family through what we're going to be talking about, basically 89 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,820 giving them a rundown that this is a total fluff interview, but we want you 90 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:17,820 be honest. 91 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,780 The family is supposedly totally on board, but the mom won't start the 92 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:42,280 because I need signed model releases before we can do the interview. 93 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,840 But she didn't want to sign the model releases. 94 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,340 Why don't you sign a model release? 95 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:56,840 Money. All right. So is she worried that she's not going to get a piece of this 96 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:58,100 if we sell this footage? 97 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:00,940 And then suddenly she's on the phone with lawyers. 98 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:08,180 At some point, someone tells Janet that it's okay for us to sign the model 99 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:10,560 releases and to film the interview. 100 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:17,600 Wait, wait. You know how Bashir... Hey, you know how Bashir zoomed in on him 101 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,720 holding hands? 102 00:07:18,940 --> 00:07:23,700 Do that, the same thing. Because, you know... Because that's what a mother... 103 00:07:23,980 --> 00:07:25,560 Like you know how a father does. 104 00:07:25,780 --> 00:07:29,680 Or a father does with his son, you know? And they try to make it out to be 105 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,940 something wrong and dirty. 106 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:33,820 So you can have that. 107 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:39,300 When I first met Michael, all I thought was he was a loving, kind, humble man. 108 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:42,340 And all he wanted to do was good. 109 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,940 As I'm doing an interview, I really do feel like Gavin is very sincere. 110 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,600 He treats me like he's my father. 111 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,640 He gives young advice. 112 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:01,180 Michael is exactly an unanswered prayer to my children and me. 113 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:05,420 Michael is there for us, there for all three of them. 114 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Janet's just over the top. 115 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,180 I dislike her immediately. 116 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,960 Every door closed on us, and Michael said, all my doors are open. 117 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,260 My home is your home and your children. 118 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,080 I am like their father. 119 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:30,520 And his interactions with my children were all innocent as a father interacts 120 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,560 with their children. 121 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:38,380 Where she really loses my credibility is just how she suddenly adopted this idea 122 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:40,780 that Michael is their real father. 123 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:47,080 Either this mom is completely in love with Michael Jackson or 124 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,300 she's driven by the world of Michael Jackson possibilities. 125 00:08:52,170 --> 00:08:58,690 It disturbed me greatly when I saw them and the innuendos he was making. They 126 00:08:58,690 --> 00:09:05,290 took a beautiful relationship that he has with Gavin and spun it out of 127 00:09:06,010 --> 00:09:07,630 We completed the interview. 128 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:12,010 But then the director of photography would not give me the footage. 129 00:09:13,390 --> 00:09:18,330 This interview was obviously very important, and he wanted Michael to pay 130 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:22,630 So, unfortunately, it never went into the box special. 131 00:09:23,830 --> 00:09:28,370 It wasn't a good situation with tabloids hovering around everybody at the time. 132 00:09:28,730 --> 00:09:31,750 I had a strong feeling that I didn't trust Janet. 133 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:37,150 So I am absolutely worried that this is the type of person who might take money 134 00:09:37,150 --> 00:09:41,650 to say Michael Jackson blessed my kid. Because there's a lot of money in that. 135 00:09:58,499 --> 00:10:04,080 friends and the friends that are family to me are because they have exhibited 136 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,700 honesty, trustworthiness, love. 137 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:11,440 This video, I've never seen it. I don't know how you guys got all this. 138 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:19,760 And that is why we are very thankful and appreciate that Michael calls us family 139 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,620 because he exhibits all that and he gives these boys much direction 140 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,340 So what you're seeing in Janet here, she just truly wants this all to be true. 141 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,700 Because this is just a godsend that there would be a male influence in her 142 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:42,380 children's life who was kind and caring. 143 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:46,780 She says things very dramatically, but Janet really feels what she's saying. 144 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:49,360 I know her. That's what she feels. 145 00:10:49,740 --> 00:10:52,480 You know, she had been going through a lot of stuff. 146 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,000 She was getting a divorce. 147 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,420 Gavin's father had been abusive to her and the kids. 148 00:10:58,580 --> 00:11:04,420 So at this point, the idea that somebody this important would value her children 149 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:09,360 and parent them, that was meaningful to her, like extraordinarily meaningful to 150 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,360 her at the time. 151 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:12,280 She craved it. 152 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:22,600 After the Martin Bashir documentary aired, I became concerned. I start 153 00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:24,290 Their numbers are disconnected. 154 00:11:24,890 --> 00:11:26,230 I didn't know where she was. 155 00:11:27,510 --> 00:11:31,210 Clearly, they were at the center of a hurricane. 156 00:11:32,050 --> 00:11:37,630 Anybody that had any kind of show would have wanted to talk to this family. 157 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:42,210 Michael Jackson's team would have wanted to keep them contained. 158 00:11:49,060 --> 00:11:53,460 Okay, everybody, that two -hour documentary on living with Michael 159 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:56,980 still making news. Michael Jackson's image has taken a brutal beating over 160 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:57,980 past few months, as you know. 161 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Among the madness of this year, 162 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:12,260 I get a phone call, hey, we're going to go to Gary, Indiana and visit Michael's 163 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:13,099 child at home. 164 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:14,100 Any kind of distraction. 165 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,880 Give them some new Michael Jackson stuff that was positive. 166 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,500 I would like to officially, on behalf of the men and the women and the young 167 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:28,020 people of the city of Gary, welcome back home, Mr. Michael Jackson. 168 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,140 I am the biggest fan. Well, probably not the biggest because there's a lot of 169 00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:36,720 them here, but I just love Michael Jackson. Just his persona. He loves 170 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,380 In a good way, he loves children. 171 00:12:40,540 --> 00:12:41,940 He's a role model. 172 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,820 I love him. I originally thought we were going because he wanted to visit. 173 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:54,630 It's hometown, but as it turns out, it was to capture footage of Michael's 174 00:12:54,630 --> 00:12:59,050 humble beginnings, because that was what the narrative was going to be. It was 175 00:12:59,050 --> 00:13:04,410 going to be the sickly, sweet, you know, here comes the king, you know, like 176 00:13:04,410 --> 00:13:05,410 wah, wah. 177 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:09,910 The management of Michael's image, that's the number one thing. 178 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:15,590 When you saw Michael's childhood home, it was pretty rough. 179 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,360 We're talking a small two -room home where 10 or 11 people lived. 180 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:26,060 Michael grew up in abject poverty, certainly in an age of discrimination. 181 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,380 Opportunities for black men and black families especially were very limited. 182 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,480 But the one thing that really affected him was his relationship with his 183 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:44,180 Father, he did some rough, cruel... The way he would beat you, he would make you 184 00:13:44,180 --> 00:13:45,460 strip nude first. 185 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:52,930 So when the foot of the ironing cord hit you, it would just, you know, fall on 186 00:13:52,930 --> 00:13:54,530 your face, your back, everywhere. 187 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:59,550 He would tell us, don't call me dad, I'm Joseph. 188 00:14:01,410 --> 00:14:03,510 I never felt love from him. 189 00:14:04,530 --> 00:14:08,070 All I want is his love, his approval. 190 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:13,510 I think the broken relationship between father and son was monumental. 191 00:14:15,690 --> 00:14:19,190 There were really like two Michael Jackson. One needed love and validation. 192 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:21,550 The other needed attention and celebrity. 193 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:26,270 I proudly present to you Mr. Michael Jackson. 194 00:14:28,570 --> 00:14:30,990 Everything is already geared up like a machine. 195 00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:32,350 All this love. 196 00:14:33,510 --> 00:14:38,130 It's all orchestrated to get support from the fans, you know, because they 197 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:39,790 defend him no matter what. 198 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,460 The Gary Community School Corporation welcomes home the king of pop, Michael 199 00:14:45,460 --> 00:14:46,460 Jackson. 200 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:53,040 The intrigue surrounding Michael Jackson, it continues tonight. 201 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,140 Would you let your son or daughter stay over at Neverland? 202 00:14:56,380 --> 00:14:59,980 No, and I can't understand why these other boys' parents allowed them to 203 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,400 I believe that Child Welfare Services should interview every child that has 204 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,180 at Neverland with Mr. Jackson in his bedroom. 205 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:10,250 The tabloids are still foaming at the mouth. 206 00:15:11,550 --> 00:15:16,070 And there was a sense that you want to keep Janet Arvizo, who seems like a bit 207 00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:22,010 of a live wire, as far away from tabloids and people with checks as 208 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:29,350 The Arvizo family is surrounded by Handler. 209 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:36,500 They're getting carted around by people inside the Jackson team, and there is a 210 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,920 controlled element of making sure they don't talk to people that they shouldn't 211 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:41,920 be talking to. 212 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:52,500 I would bring Janet and the kids back and forth between the Neverland Ranch 213 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:53,500 L .A. 214 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,820 I was told to spend my time with assisting Janet or Visa, whatever needed 215 00:15:58,820 --> 00:15:59,820 done. 216 00:16:04,940 --> 00:16:06,900 I drove her all over the place. 217 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,780 The obesos are okay with it at first, but slowly they start to, you know, 218 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:17,760 resentful of being controlled. 219 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:21,880 No, no, no, you don't have to go get your groceries. We'll do it with you. 220 00:16:25,140 --> 00:16:28,860 And then I was told that Vinny was going to help them move. 221 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:32,300 And I go, why? 222 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,400 Do they want to move? 223 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,420 Well, we need a better location. 224 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:37,880 We? Who's we? 225 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,140 You know, so this is curious language. 226 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:46,600 Our visa family, we're getting a lot of pressure from the press. 227 00:16:48,460 --> 00:16:52,760 And there was a need for a place where they can stay, where they can feel safe. 228 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,140 There was also a lot of talk about taking the family on a vacation. 229 00:16:58,620 --> 00:17:00,980 Then he was running around getting passport photos. 230 00:17:01,540 --> 00:17:04,040 And I thought that was probably a really smart idea as well. 231 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:10,839 And to make sure that this family is off in Mars as far away from the press and 232 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:11,900 the tabloids as possible. 233 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,420 I'm being asked, wouldn't you like to let go to Brazil? 234 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:24,700 I'm like, no. 235 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:27,790 Why is the family being coaxed to go to Brazil? 236 00:17:28,569 --> 00:17:33,290 There is this plan that's going on, but who's the guy behind the curtain in The 237 00:17:33,290 --> 00:17:34,290 Wizard of Oz? 238 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:37,730 Nothing's going to get done without Michael's approval. 239 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:41,150 He knows what's going on. 240 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,040 One day, I get a frantic phone call from Janet, who is being kept somewhere and 241 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,040 whispering. 242 00:18:01,820 --> 00:18:03,100 She was panicky. 243 00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:08,020 She wants me to come to where she is and get her and the kids and bring them 244 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:09,020 back to my house. 245 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,940 She sounded desperate, and I felt her panic for her own children. 246 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:22,060 She felt they were keeping her family at Neverland. 247 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,080 and that they were going to send them to Brazil and make the family disappear. 248 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:35,460 And it's not like you can call the police and say, you know, I think 249 00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:38,620 family being held against their will by Michael Jackson. 250 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,380 I don't know if that's a 911 call that's going to be put through. 251 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:50,200 I had extended to her, you know, call me in 24 hours, and then I would have. 252 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:56,610 better resources in place, and she never called. 253 00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:13,630 When I became involved with Janet and her family, they were allowed to go 254 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:15,590 anywhere they wanted, and I would take them wherever they wanted. 255 00:19:18,050 --> 00:19:23,930 One day, she said, please bring my children down to their grandparents' 256 00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:25,990 My mother is sick. 257 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:28,130 I didn't think anything of it. 258 00:19:29,810 --> 00:19:32,670 After that day, we hadn't heard from them. 259 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:38,950 They were done with us, and we were finished working with them, and that was 260 00:19:39,550 --> 00:19:43,910 They were going to leave any time, any day. 261 00:19:51,790 --> 00:19:57,590 When I finally heard from Janet, she told me about the danger that she felt 262 00:19:57,590 --> 00:20:01,750 had been visited upon her family. 263 00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:07,950 They had been kept at Neverland for three weeks or so, and when Janet got 264 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:11,050 kids home, they were not behaving normally. 265 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:15,850 Janet spoke to a lawyer. 266 00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:19,430 He heard enough and saw these boys and thought, 267 00:20:20,169 --> 00:20:22,490 I don't like the way this is sounding at all. 268 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:26,990 I told Michael, don't work with kids, work with their parents. 269 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:29,130 It's their parents who are supposed to be leading them. 270 00:20:29,410 --> 00:20:30,890 You're not the child's messiah. 271 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:36,410 I always feel that I don't want the parents to get jealous because it 272 00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:39,830 sometimes. And I always say, I'm not trying to take your place. 273 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:42,370 I'm just trying to help and I want to be a friend. 274 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:45,950 And the kids end up just falling in love with my personality. 275 00:20:46,450 --> 00:20:48,010 Sometimes it gets me into trouble. 276 00:20:57,580 --> 00:21:02,660 In 2003, I was a senior prosecutor in the district attorney's office. 277 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:06,520 I was the supervisor of the vulnerable victims unit. 278 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,960 One morning, I got called in by the district attorney. He handed me a two 279 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,060 report, and I'm looking at it, and it seems to be kind of the ordinary 280 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:21,760 that you see in these investigations, and I don't understand why I'm sitting 281 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,140 there looking at this thing. It's like dozens of other cases I've looked at. 282 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:30,500 And then I look at the top that has the name. I never went to the name. And the 283 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:31,820 name was Michael Joe Jackson. 284 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:37,600 The sheriff's office in Santa Barbara County had started an investigation into 285 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,380 allegations made by Gavin. 286 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:48,360 You can sit right there, buddy. 287 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,860 Gavin, can you tell us what your conversations, what you guys talked 288 00:21:57,420 --> 00:22:01,880 He says that, I know you're stressed out about all this stuff that's going on, 289 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:03,580 so I'll have something that will relax you. 290 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:06,080 He said, drink it. And I said, what's that? 291 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:11,660 And he said, it's drinking. So I drank it. 292 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,280 I didn't like the taste. 293 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,540 And he asked me, what is it? And he said, it's wine. It'll help you. 294 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:18,920 Just keep drinking it. I kept on drinking it. 295 00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:23,280 And my head started hurting and stuff. 296 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:24,700 I fell. 297 00:22:25,550 --> 00:22:29,210 Gavin talking about alcohol use was a grooming situation. 298 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:36,590 In that interview, he exhibited to me the typical, if you will, 299 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:43,370 demeanor of somebody that's been abused. You know, the shying away from the 300 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:48,690 questions, not wanting to talk about anything, keeping himself closed up 301 00:22:48,690 --> 00:22:49,690 the interview. 302 00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:55,030 He said 303 00:22:55,030 --> 00:23:02,230 that 304 00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:06,970 he wanted to show me how to masturbate. He wanted to show you how to masturbate? 305 00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:08,470 Yeah. Okay. 306 00:23:08,790 --> 00:23:09,870 I said no. 307 00:23:12,510 --> 00:23:14,310 Then he said he'd do it for me. 308 00:23:14,670 --> 00:23:15,670 Okay. 309 00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:18,990 And did he do it for you? 310 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:34,180 Did he put it on the outside? 311 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,680 Inside? 312 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,820 And what did he do next? 313 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,200 Okay. 314 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,380 Did he stop? 315 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,540 Having to publicly talk about sexual abuse is not an easy thing. 316 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:03,520 But he was courageous. 317 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,000 I had complete faith in everything Gavin was saying. 318 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:15,560 And there was never a question in my mind as to the honesty or accuracy of 319 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,580 statement. Never. 320 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,340 But I knew we were going after an international superstar. 321 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,800 And that changes the equation. 322 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,200 That was the part that was the unknown for all of us. 323 00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:38,170 Is love and romance two different things? 324 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:41,870 I'm in love with innocence. 325 00:24:42,250 --> 00:24:43,410 That's what I'm in love with. 326 00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:45,730 And that's why I love children so much. 327 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:49,350 I can relate to them easier, much easier. 328 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:56,510 See, just play, just love and innocence, and to find true 329 00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:58,470 happiness and magic, you know? 330 00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:13,730 There are surprising developments at the home of Michael Jackson. 331 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:18,110 Authorities are serving a secret search warrant at his ranch near Santa Barbara, 332 00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:22,390 California. Although there is no official word as to the nature of the 333 00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:26,170 a number of news outlets are reporting that the search is tied to allegations 334 00:25:26,170 --> 00:25:29,550 from a 12 -year -old boy that he was molested by Jackson. 335 00:25:30,170 --> 00:25:36,330 I was watching CNN and I saw all of these police entering the gates of 336 00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:40,250 Neverland. Investigators have swarmed Jackson's Neverland Ranch. 337 00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:42,190 Target Neverland is underway. 338 00:25:42,670 --> 00:25:44,810 I picked up the phone and I called Michael. 339 00:25:45,050 --> 00:25:46,350 He was in Las Vegas. 340 00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:52,490 And I said, Mr. Jackson, are you okay? And he says, yeah, why? 341 00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:54,950 I said, they're raiding Neverland. He says, what? 342 00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:59,350 I said, turn on CNN. You'll see it there. It's live. 343 00:25:59,590 --> 00:26:01,330 They're raiding Neverland. 344 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:05,790 Michael was really shocked. 345 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,120 I had never seen anything like it. I mean, the gate of Neverland is a good 346 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:18,220 from the house. And here's this string of cars. And to me, it's just abuse. 347 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:20,060 It's harassment. 348 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:25,640 The media has set up camp out here. We're told as many as 60 investigators 349 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,560 inside at this point, searching the ranch. 350 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:29,760 It was a very large operation. 351 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,980 I was a newly promoted detective. 352 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280 I was a big Michael Jackson fan as a teenager. 353 00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:46,160 When Michael Jackson would come out to perform, you can imagine teenage girls 354 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,540 screaming at the top of their lungs. 355 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,420 That's what we were doing. 356 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,720 When I was told about the allegations against Michael Jackson, I was kind of 357 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,720 surprised. 358 00:26:55,980 --> 00:27:00,620 I was assigned to search the main residence. 359 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,920 How you doing? 360 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:05,630 Sheriff's Department. We have a search warrant. 361 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:12,430 To me, Michael Jackson was just another celebrity. 362 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:16,490 When you're dealing with celebrities, you have accusations that are made. 363 00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:21,210 And you have to take those accusations with a grain of salt. You have to do 364 00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:22,210 investigation. 365 00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:28,190 Whose office is this? 366 00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:30,270 That's his office. 367 00:27:30,670 --> 00:27:31,710 This is Michael's? 368 00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:33,150 Okay. 369 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:39,260 Does he have anything else? Michael Jackson's mansion was like no other 370 00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:40,940 I've ever seen. 371 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,520 There was just so much stuff everywhere. 372 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,760 My 373 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:57,240 assignment 374 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,820 was going to be going into Michael Jackson's bedroom. 375 00:28:00,460 --> 00:28:04,440 Somebody said now he's moved upstairs rather than down here. Gavin 376 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:11,140 had disclosed that there would be a 377 00:28:11,140 --> 00:28:18,080 briefcase with pornographic magazines that were used by Michael to provoke 378 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,080 an arousal. 379 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,900 Those items we refer to as grooming materials. 380 00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:30,550 My job was to do the library. 381 00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:34,690 First thing that caught my attention, it was all cluttered. 382 00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:37,530 Boxes of books on the floor. 383 00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:43,470 The books I remember seizing were books of children posing in their underwear. 384 00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:47,150 In and of themselves, they're not child pornography. 385 00:28:47,550 --> 00:28:51,830 They weren't posing together in sexual acts or anything like that. 386 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:56,350 But based on the investigations I'd done in the past, to me, those were grooming 387 00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:57,350 books. 388 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:00,460 You know, we'd found books like that in other situations. 389 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:09,320 We also found a pair of underwear briefs 390 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,400 stuffed in a box. 391 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,740 They were either very small adult or children's briefs. 392 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,060 We had asked the housekeeper, where's the bedroom? 393 00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:24,760 That's when we were told no one was permitted into his bedroom. 394 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:27,910 And nobody had a key for his bedroom. 395 00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:36,910 We were able to make entry. 396 00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:44,050 And when we walked in, it was a mess. 397 00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:49,190 Paper, clothes, covering the whole floor. 398 00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:55,260 I found some pepperoni sausages that were just... thrown in there. 399 00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:59,820 I remember thinking, oh my gosh, this is filthy. 400 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,460 Drawers weren't closed right. 401 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,040 You know, I'm sure everyone has a junk drawer. 402 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,560 There were a lot of junk drawers, if you would. 403 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,420 Stuff thrown all over. 404 00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:21,980 In the area where the grand piano was, that's where I located a briefcase, 405 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,560 opened it up. 406 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:28,800 And there were some magazines with pornographic materials in them. 407 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:35,300 So that was a significant item because it supported what Gavin said. 408 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:43,260 You know, in that moment, your whole point of the investigation is to seek 409 00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:47,980 truth. When you talk about an innocent child who's been taken advantage of, 410 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:50,600 that's going to stir anger in anyone. 411 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,160 I think that Gavin was very courageous to be able to come forward and 412 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,400 say what happened. 413 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:14,300 There were several 414 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:16,380 items that were taken away as evidence. 415 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,100 caliber of this investigation really hit me of, oh my, 416 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,940 this is Michael Jackson. 417 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,720 There's definitely the feeling even now of the intensity of the investigation. 418 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:44,600 So it's just all surfacing that emotion again. 419 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,210 I wasn't expecting any emotion, to be honest with you. 420 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:09,710 Throughout the night, the search continued. 421 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:14,790 Patrol cars gliding past banks of reporters, camera lights illuminating 422 00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:17,210 perimeter of the 3 ,000 -acre estate. 423 00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:22,070 When we heard about the raid on Neverland, I'm... 424 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,540 in my childhood bedroom watching my black and white TV. 425 00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:29,620 Let's just bring people up to date real quick. The allegations were reportedly 426 00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:34,480 made by a 12 -year -old cancer victim who said that Jackson gave him booze and 427 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,620 pills at Neverland Ranch. 428 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:40,960 I just, I couldn't believe it was Gavin. 429 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,840 I just was devastated. 430 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:47,790 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police. 431 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:53,150 California authorities announced an arrest warrant today accusing Jackson, 432 00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:59,290 45, of multiple felony counts of child molestation. CBS News has learned that 433 00:32:59,290 --> 00:33:03,890 Michael Jackson will turn himself into authority in Santa Barbara today. 434 00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:07,850 We briefly interrupt your programming. 435 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:12,050 Pop star Michael Jackson has surrendered to authorities in Santa Barbara, 436 00:33:12,170 --> 00:33:16,070 California. After landing just a few moments ago at the Santa Barbara 437 00:33:16,390 --> 00:33:22,090 he is now en route to the Santa Barbara jail, where he is about to be booked and 438 00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:23,090 processed. 439 00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:28,830 The media circus, it is in full swing. 440 00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:32,730 Reporters, cameras, and helicopters have been chasing the Jackson story around 441 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:33,730 Southern California. 442 00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:35,610 Michael Jackson under arrest. 443 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:40,690 It is the shot seen around the world, fingerprinted and photographed. Michael 444 00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:42,470 Jackson like you've never seen him before. 445 00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:46,290 His lawyer says Jackson is innocent and outraged. 446 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,390 I was shocked. 447 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:54,370 Michael called me from the jail. He says, but can you believe this? I've 448 00:33:54,370 --> 00:33:55,370 nothing wrong. 449 00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:57,970 And they have me all over the news. 450 00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:04,110 Well, I said, you know, you just be you and you do what you need to do. 451 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,860 Don't be afraid to defend yourself. 452 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:12,420 He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on. 453 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:16,679 But I'm here to tell you today, and Michael has given me the authority to 454 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,679 his behalf, these charges are categorically untrue. 455 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,920 Thank you very much. 456 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:28,360 When I asked him point blank, what is this about? Who are these people? 457 00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:29,460 Did you do this? 458 00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:42,130 strong and how the conviction of his 459 00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:43,710 speaking to me. 460 00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:45,790 I knew he was innocent. 461 00:34:46,489 --> 00:34:51,330 I knew it. After he was processed, he snuck out the back door. Through it all, 462 00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:56,570 the fading king of pop still manages to wave and slash the victory sign. 463 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,400 He went right from the jail to the airport, the same plane he flew in on, 464 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,800 flew out on, and now Fox has confirmed he is now back in Las Vegas. 465 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:19,420 At this point in time, the Arvizo family were in an apartment in West L .A. 466 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,080 They're very isolated over there. The children are not going to school, and so 467 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,080 begin visiting. 468 00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:29,320 Gavin was a different person. 469 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,860 He was very different. He was subdued. 470 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,240 And his way of letting me know that 471 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:46,480 what he was saying was true 472 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,460 in his 14 -year -old way was to say 473 00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:56,360 he got me drunk. I was drunk. 474 00:35:59,820 --> 00:36:05,720 It seemed like how a 14 -year -old would tell you, this happened 475 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:12,660 because I wasn't in my right mind, and I don't want you to think any less of me. 476 00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:17,020 It was just devastating. 477 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:27,420 I did not believe in any way that Michael was even capable of doing 478 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:28,420 like this. 479 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,100 I love this family, and by extension, love him. 480 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,060 There have been allegations against him and his past with a boy, Jordan 481 00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:39,440 Chandler, but they went away. 482 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,780 This isn't the first time Jackson has been accused of child molestation. 483 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:48,000 Ten years ago, Jackson had been accused of molesting another child, but the case 484 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,400 was settled out of court. 485 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:55,840 This time, because the Bashir documentary was fresh in everybody's 486 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,420 what stood out... 487 00:36:57,899 --> 00:36:59,140 was that boy. 488 00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:02,100 Michael was being so affectionate with him. 489 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,360 You had to know that they were going to go all the way with this one, that he's 490 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,020 going to have to face the music in court. 491 00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:16,660 All of this is going on, and I'm still like, okay, we got to give Michael the 492 00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:17,660 benefit of the doubt. 493 00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:21,900 We just want to let Michael Jackson know that he's got friends here in Santa 494 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:23,900 Barbara. I'll never believe it. 495 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,280 It's just impossible. 496 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,420 MJ would never hurt a child. MJ is the kindest person in the world. 497 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:50,260 Michael Jackson, after his booking, made an allegation to the press that he had 498 00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:53,640 been physically harmed by somebody in the sheriff's department. 499 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:56,440 They manhandled me very roughly. 500 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,040 My shoulder is dislocated, literally. 501 00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:03,560 It was a pure fabrication, completely made up. 502 00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:08,660 It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. See this arm? This is as 503 00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:09,660 far as I can reach it. 504 00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:11,580 Same with this side over here. 505 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,640 Because of what happened at the police station? Yeah, at the police station. 506 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,900 There was an investigation that was done, and there was no evidence that 507 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:21,920 had been any kind of harm. 508 00:38:22,549 --> 00:38:28,750 If you saw what they did to my arms, it 509 00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:33,510 was very bad what they did. 510 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:36,370 I just remember thinking how absurd it was. 511 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:39,130 And I thought, who in the world would believe it? 512 00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:43,870 But apparently there are. I mean, if you are a believer of Michael Jackson, 513 00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:46,790 you'll believe what he says. It doesn't matter how preposterous it is. 514 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:50,650 Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists. 515 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,360 I would never hurt a child. 516 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:54,140 It was totally false. 517 00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:55,600 I was outraged. 518 00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:58,540 I could never do something like that. 519 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:06,040 Michael's biggest attribute, he could make you feel like so sorry for 520 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,920 him. What time is it? 521 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,040 Because I'm hurting. 522 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:11,700 I don't feel good. 523 00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:15,520 He had this aura about him. 524 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:23,050 I know when I've been in his presence, I felt like, oh, boy, you know, 525 00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:25,110 people should leave Michael alone. 526 00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:32,410 This is nothing but a modern -day lynching. This is what they want to see, 527 00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:35,810 in handcuffs. You got it. But it won't be for long, I promise you. 528 00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:42,770 You got a bunch of racist, I'm sorry, racist rednecks out there who don't care 529 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:48,570 about people. We are a family. My mother is very angry. We're all angry. And 530 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:51,770 we're going to put our soldiers and our generals together and prepare for war. 531 00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:52,910 That's what this is. 532 00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:57,750 When Jermaine came out and called it the modern day, in the moment, I thought, 533 00:39:57,850 --> 00:39:58,850 that's a stretch. 534 00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:05,390 It was just to get attention. It was just to try and galvanize particularly 535 00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:06,850 black America. 536 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,320 When you mention lynching, it's going to hit here. 537 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,980 And that's exactly what he wanted you to feel. 538 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,680 I don't understand racism. 539 00:40:21,340 --> 00:40:25,520 My mother, she was pulling out of the market. And you've got to scream out to 540 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,100 her, go back to Africa, you nigger. Just like that. It hurt me so much. 541 00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:36,700 I have seen the evilness in man, how vindictive man can be, how cruel. 542 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:43,680 how abusive, how judgmental, how they have hurt me and done all these things, 543 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,140 and what's made me hold on. 544 00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:49,740 What has saved my life is children. 545 00:40:57,230 --> 00:41:01,310 The latest bombshell in the Michael Jackson case centers around Jackson's 546 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:06,030 closest business associates and whether or not they were behind a plot to abduct 547 00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:08,890 and silence the accuser and his family. 548 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:15,010 ABC News has learned that prosecutors are focused on two men, Vinnie Amin and 549 00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:18,090 Frank Tyson, both longtime Jackson associates. 550 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,580 According to sources familiar with the case, Amin and Tyson are being accused 551 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:27,200 using pressure tactics to try and silence the alleged victim's family. 552 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:32,260 Kidnapping and hostage is horrible, devastating. 553 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:33,740 It was wrong. 554 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,100 They went too far with that word. 555 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,900 When it came out, the media said, well, they can just file an arrest warrant 556 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,260 right on the fly in California. 557 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,920 I mean, I was scared. 558 00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:49,690 I was 22 years old. 559 00:41:56,770 --> 00:42:02,130 We included a conspiracy to commit kidnapping because in a conspiracy you 560 00:42:02,130 --> 00:42:05,810 put in a lot of information that paints a very compelling story. 561 00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:11,690 The conspiracy to commit kidnapping was the efforts that Jackson and his crew 562 00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:16,310 were making to remove the family from the state of California and from the 563 00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:17,310 United States. 564 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,500 to take them down to Brazil where they could not be discovered by police, by 565 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:23,840 enforcement, or by the press. 566 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,740 When someone asked me how I feel, it couldn't get worse. It just kept getting 567 00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:34,820 worse, worse, worse, worse, worse. 568 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,680 Steve Robel from the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department, he wanted to ask 569 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,380 questions. He left voicemails for us. 570 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,020 They were a little threatening. 571 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,840 They basically were like, you know, jump on board or we may file additional 572 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,840 charges. 573 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:19,720 We were worried that maybe we would get searched. 574 00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:23,350 Frank and I decided that we were going to bring it to the attorney. 575 00:43:23,570 --> 00:43:28,370 Any business items we had that were associated with Michael Jackson. 576 00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:31,350 So Frank handed me a bag. 577 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:35,930 Ends up, I take it back to my house because there was something suspicious 578 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:36,930 I didn't like. 579 00:43:36,970 --> 00:43:42,830 And when I opened up the bag, I found this magazine. 580 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:51,030 It was a naturalist magazine with a video ordering section that had naked 581 00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:54,090 in it, and there was circles around the videos to be ordered. 582 00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:59,090 That was just a devastating blow for me. 583 00:44:00,730 --> 00:44:05,910 That was a psychological hit that I never, you know, now I see how this case 584 00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:11,730 going, and all of a sudden I see that, and I came to a conclusion that 585 00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:13,110 everything has been lied to me. 586 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:18,370 Now this is the realm of sexual abuse of children. 587 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:24,290 Now it became very real to me. 588 00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:30,650 And it became very real that Frank knew about what's going on and he's not 589 00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:32,450 coming forward. 590 00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:42,510 I know Frank was 591 00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:47,860 manipulated, but... being associated with Michael Jackson, who was 592 00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:48,860 children. 593 00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:55,380 It's like a wound that opens up, and then when you open that wound, it 594 00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:59,020 you psychologically. So I guess I've done a lot of work on it to heal that 595 00:44:59,020 --> 00:45:03,360 wound, but I think it would always affect me. 596 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,180 I've had years of healing. 597 00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:14,760 But, you know, it still hurts. 598 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:21,100 If Michael was actually committing sex abuse against children, he used to be 599 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,100 brought to justice. 600 00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:36,360 This is just the start of what's likely to be a very public and dirty war. We're 601 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,000 certainly poised for the trial of the century. 602 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,380 He is fighting these molestation charges. 603 00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:41,660 Michael! 604 00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:45,800 I think Michael Jackson is fighting for his life right now. 605 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,640 Five counts of child molestation, four counts of supplying a minor with 606 00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:55,820 one count of conspiracy for forced imprisonment. If he's guilty on all 607 00:45:55,820 --> 00:46:00,520 charges, then he will face a maximum of 18 years and eight months in prison. 608 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:09,520 where you can find details about support that's available for any of the issues 609 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,100 that were raised in this programme at channel4 .com slash support. 610 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,420 There's more next Wednesday at 9, or you can stream the entire series right now. 611 00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:21,840 Next tonight, it's 24 hours in A andE.