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In the criminal justice system,

sexually based offenses

are considered especially heinous.

In New York City, the dedicated detectives

who investigate these vicious felonies

are members of an elite squad

known as the Special Victims Unit.

These are their stories.

Look at this. Original 2002 Levi's.

So excited for this.

I mean, I love that for you, but doesn't it hold,

like, three songs?

It's got real buttons.

Mm! That's so satisfying.

All right, let's see if this thing works.

Maybe this is a mix tape.

How much did you get that for?

30 bucks. They're like 100 at Urban.

You're not supposed to be here.

Hey, come on. Don't do that.

No.

No. I said no!

Please!

Get off! Please!

Please! - Shut up.

You know you want it.

That sounded real.

Where's the case?

I'm gonna show this to my mom.

Mom?

Hey, pass me the Phillips number 2, will you?

And don't you have a Mandarin quiz tomorrow?

You ready?

What's up?

I think you should listen to this.

No! Please!

Please! - Shut up.

You know you want it.

I listened to the rest of the tape, both sides,

and it's all blank except for this section.

Okay, and this is the only tape like this

that you guys had?

The rest was music.

Well, that must have been hard to listen to.

It's fine.

It's whatever.

The thrift store opens at 11:00.

They may be able to tell us where the tapes came from.

Okay. Well, Gabe, thank you.

Thank you so much for bringing this in to us.

Yeah. No problem.

All right, go on. I'll see you after practice.

You know, I gotta say, I can't believe that you

pay money for cassette tapes.

I still have my old Dire Straits collection.

You think that might be worth anything?

Is that a band?

I hate you.

Go to school.

- You okay? - Well, you know how boys are.

They act like nothing gets to them, but I can see it does.

He's got a therapist. He'll be all right.

Yeah? And what about you?

I got a therapist too.

We'll hit the store as soon as it opens.

Here's what I'm thinking.

There's a forensic audiologist that we've worked with before.

They might be able to clean this up,

see if there's anything more to hear.

So what we have here is a tiny win.

Out of 120 minutes, I was able to successfully

recover four seconds.

And that's a win?

I did everything I could.

Anything you can tell us about the tape itself?

When it was made, how readily available

was this particular format?

Sony HF Type 1, mainly used for dictation.

I can even tell you exactly when the tape was recorded.

October 2, 1999.

403 West 24th Street.

And that's all she wrote.

My guess is someone tried to degauss this.

- De-what? - Degauss.

These tapes are magnetic.

That's how they hold the information.

So you wave a demagnetizing wand over it,

and all that data is toast.

Someone knew they recorded a crime

and didn't want anyone finding out.

We sell dozens of tapes a day.

Can barely keep 'em on the shelves.

Funny how all this stuff comes back.

Well, this one looks like a home recording.

It had "number 56" written on it.

You know when he bought it?

Sunday afternoon.

Let me see what I can find.

Oh, my God.

I would have died for one of these when I was little.

That one's got her adoption papers and everything.

Come on.

Oh.

No, I'm good.

I can drop a hint to Carisi.

Birthday gift. - No.

Maybe.

Mm-hmm.

Friday night we got a decent haul

from this estate sale on West 46th.

Whole building was being demoed.

We took everything they had.

Got the building for next to nothing,

comparatively speaking.

Foreclosed property built in 1910.

Last of the tenants moved out, so we started demo.

You recently had an estate sale.

Where'd you get the items from? - Basement.

It was loaded with crap from, like, generations of tenants.

Still a ton of stuff down there.

Gonna take me another six months to sort through it all.

You mind if we take a look?

Oh, knock yourselves out.

All right, so I just wanna warn you,

if we encounter a rodent of any kind,

my reaction will be intense.

Noted.

Hey, Rollins? There's something back here.

You wanna help me out with this?

The remains are with the ME.

They're still working on cause of death,

but preliminary report says our vic was a woman,

roughly 22 to 25 years old.

And CSU turned that building inside and out,

what was left of it.

No other human remains were found.

Okay, is there any updates with Missing Persons?

UF 61 was filed October 7, 1999.

Right age range and exactly five days after the date

we heard on the tape.

Tameka Davis--she was 24 when she went missing.

Single.

We found some employment records from '97

saying she waited tables, but nothing from '99.

She got a record?

No, but she rented an apartment

at 403 West 24th Street,

the same address mentioned on the tape.

She was living there when she went missing.

What about next of kin?

Her mom, Tiffany Davis, who reported her missing,

she's still around. She's 67.

Tameka also had a son, Jayden.

He's 31, but he was just a little guy at the time.

No dad on the birth certificate.

It's not a coincidence that there was a dead body

and a recording of a sexual assault

in that building.

So the former owner was Brendan Kearney,

a known Westies enforcer.

And the FBI seized the building in '99.

That makes sense.

The Westies were mostly disbanded by then,

but there were still a few running around.

They were good for two things:

running coke and contract killings.

Well, we could track down whoever

was heading up OC at the time.

I actually already found a detective who was undercover

for Narcotics back then.

Ha!

Welcome back, Sergeant.

It's part-time for now.

You look good. Glad to have you back.

Thank you.

Well, I looked into that 24th Street apartment.

That whole 24th Street block was a hot zone.

All kinds of gangs fighting for territory.

But I happen to know a guy who took down

the Westies back in the day.

I'ma hit him up.

You want company?

Let's roll.

Black with a packet of Sweet'N Low.

Half a pack now, but with your ugly mug,

I'll burn a cheat day.

Bring it in, brother.

Good to see you.

This is Sergeant Rollins.

She's with me at SVU.

Chess partner call in sick?

Moved to Florida 24 hours after hanging up his badge.

What can I do for you, Sergeant?

Well, I'm wondering if you recognize this woman.

Sorry, I can't place her.

There were so many of them. So many bodies.

Doesn't mean that this one didn't matter.

- Mm. - Where'd you find the body?

Found the body in a basement on West 46th Street.

We think she was killed on West 24th.

24th?

That would have been Gibbs' territory.

- Mm-hmm. - Miles Gibbs.

Bed-Stuy born and raised, just like you, Fin.

Started dealing south of the Lincoln Tunnel.

Little upstart grew his empire

all the way up to the West Side.

And man, were those turf wars bloody.

Remember that?

Hey, man, back then, somebody would try to serve you a baggie

just for sitting where you are now.

What a world.

You must be Jayden.

Uh, can I help you?

I'm Olivia Benson.

This is Renee Curry.

We're from NYPD-- Special Victims Unit.

Is your grandmother home?

Who is it, honey?

The--the police.

Well, it's about time.

Tameka's dental records.

Pulled them for some cops a couple of years back.

Hiked all the way up to the precinct in Chinatown

just to find out they had already ID'd their Jane Doe.

At least Captain Benson and Captain Curry

came in person, Gran. - Mm-hmm.

If it's all right, we'd like to ask you a few questions.

- Okay. - Okay.

Does the name Miles Gibbs mean anything to you?

He was Tameka's man for a bit.

Didn't last long, though.

She ever tell you what happened?

Mm-mm.

How about you, Jayden? You remember Miles?

Uh, sure. Yeah.

Um, he bought me a race car when I turned five,

but that's about it.

When did they break up?

A couple of days before she went missing.

Miles was a bad egg.

I guess I don't have to tell you what he did for a living.

But he was paranoid, always accusing Tameka

of talking too much.

Was she involved in Miles's business?

Absolutely not. She hated drugs.

Hated what they were doing to the community.

So Tiffany, there's something else

that we need your help with.

Whatever you need.

He's old enough now.

He deserves the truth.

We have a sound recording of what we believe

might be the last moments of Tameka's life.

This is gonna be very, very hard to hear.

So if you don't wanna do it, we completely understand,

and I won't ask you again.

It's your choice, Jayden.

Okay. Yeah.

All right.

You're not supposed to be here.

Hey, come on.

Don't do that.

No.

No. I said no!

Please!

Get off! Please!

Please. - Shut up.

You know you want it.

Um...

that's her.

That's my baby.

I didn't think it'd be so hard.

Please! Please!

Shut up. You know you want it.

Turn that off.

You know who that was.

You recognize that voice.

Yeah.

Whoever that dude was, it wasn't me.

Okay, then who was it?

If you know something, you're not just helping us.

You're helping her.

I don't work with cops, no matter how nice

you bat those long eyelashes.

Come on, man.

I came up in Bed-Stuy.

I rolled through boys and girls high just like you.

Here we go with the "you and me, we're not so different"

psychobabble BS. - Hey, come on.

We know from her mom that you two were on the outs.

Huh?

What happened there?

It was dark days back then.

Stash houses got cleaned out left and right.

Took a minute before I even realized that she was gone.

You're shaking down the wrong perp.

My crew, we sold crack.

The Westies, whats-ever ever left of them,

they did the contract cleanups.

But there was a third crew that nobody likes to talk about...

'Cause they all dressed in blue.

What is all this?

Griff and I pulled every file that

was ever filed in the original Miles Gibbs case.

An undercover op from the 2-9 was what eventually sunk him.

The cops had Tameka's apartment bugged for months

without Miles knowing, and that is where

our cassette tape came from.

We went through every cassette tape

in the storage boxes.

Tape 56 is the only one that is missing.

So the cops knew a rape had been recorded.

They tried to erase it then chucked the tape.

Okay, so a possible rape and murder from 27 years ago,

and our main suspects are cops.

Let's hear it. - Okay.

Four cops, front and center.

First, we got Jerry Kuenzel.

He put his papers in shortly before Miles was arrested.

He bought a house upstate in Hornell.

And besides cashing his pension checks, he keeps a low profile.

Okay, next we've got Paul Holliday.

He retired as soon as he could get his full pension.

Deceased as of five years ago.

Before then, he was living large in Florida.

Well, it looks like Kuenzel cashed in too early.

No kidding.

Thomas Ahearn retired from the force seven years ago.

Got into private security consulting.

He lives in Nyack.

Going private certainly pays, huh?

- Leo Eichmeier-- - Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I know Leo.

This guy's a DA investigator.

If Leo's involved in this, then Baxter

might want me to call in a special prosecutor

from another borough. This is a conflict of interest.

Hang on, because we don't know what he did or didn't do.

So I think for now, this all has to stay under wraps.

Miles said that cops were raiding

stash houses left and right,

but these logs only show two busts.

Two of these cops are stacked with assets.

The best way to swipe loot from raids is to not report them.

It says here that both busts were off intel from CI 17-A52.

Okay.

It was Tameka.

She was the confidential informant.

Her mom did say that Miles said she talked too much.

So we're saying she was a CI

and the very cops she was helping killed her.

Care to visit your old stomping grounds to find out?

Happy to.

Here we go. Intake photos.

You know how to use this thing?

I do.

Had to look up some old RICO files last year.

Yep. 17.

A1, A2.

Liv was right.

CI 17-A52.

That's our girl.

Dental records were a match.

These are the remains of Tameka Davis.

Impossible to tell if she was sexually assaulted,

obviously, but hyoid bone was fractured,

indicating strangulation.

COD was blunt force trauma to the head.

Her last moments weren't easy.

She fought hard. - Okay.

I appreciate your thoroughness,

but you could have told me this over the phone.

This is why you're here.

We've got a second victim.

Found them in the same bag.

These over here, skull fragments,

and these are hands and feet.

So this is a professional hit.

The killer wanted to make sure that the body couldn't be ID'd.

Yep, and based on bone volume

and the right foot's talus length,

odds are your victim was male.

So where's the rest of him?

Kind of shocking, isn't it,

how small we all are at the end?

Thank you for bringing my daughter home.

So there is one more thing that I need from you, Tiffany.

I need you to tell me if you recognize any of these men.

No.

They're police. - They are.

Tameka never had no problems with them.

So we learned that Tameka was actually

helping them as an informant.

And you think one of these men

might have done this to her?

What we're trying to figure out--

Wait, I know him. I know him.

He came to the apartment not too long before she went away.

They were yelling at each other in the kitchen.

Did he--did he threaten her?

No, no, he was afraid for her.

He said if she left that night that he would help her.

I mean, it's one of the last things

I remembered about my mom.

Thank you, Jayden. That's--that's very helpful.

I've been mad at her for leaving me

for so long, you know?

I've been telling you for years, Jayden,

you gotta let that go.

Me being mad at her kind of...

kept her alive.

Keep your ass in your pants.

I'll be right there.

Hi.

I'm Detective Bruno. This is Detective Griffin.

We're with the NYPD Special Victims.

Is Jerry here?

Out of town.

Not exactly sure when he'll be back,

but I'll let him know you stopped by.

Have a nice day. - Okay.

Hey, can we get his cell number, Mrs...?

Letitia.

I'm his--we live together.

Look, am I under arrest or something?

You're not under arrest,

but it wasn't very considerate of Jerry

to leave you home alone and not tell you where he was.

Is he treating you right, ma'am?

Not as good as I deserve.

But we broke up a long time ago.

Jerry doesn't live here anymore.

- No. - Huh.

That's interesting, because, uh,

someone has been cashing his pension checks.

Look, the jerk walked out on me.

We just wanna know how to reach him.

Well, good freaking luck.

I haven't heard from the loser in 25 years.

Jerry's been missing for 25 years,

and you didn't report it?

He was a dumbass!

First, he quits his police job.

Says he can't stand the place no more.

Then he goes off on a bender with his ex-cop buddies.

Goes off to some cabin.

Probably just got too pissed to come home and show his face.

Letitia, do you still have anything of Jerry's?

Like old clothes, a hairbrush?

Probably got, like, an old cop uniform.

Why?

We found some remains.

It might be him.

Lab results came back.

They pulled a hair from the hat in Kuenzel's uniform.

DNA was a match for the extra body parts

found with Tameka's remains.

Okay, so we got a dead CI and now a dead cop,

both connected to the Miles Gibbs op and both found dead

in the basement of a building that was owned

by a known Westies associate?

What are we thinking? - All right.

Tiffany said Miles accused Tameka of talking too much.

We know Kuenzel warned her.

So maybe she feared she was burned, tried to back out,

and the other cops wouldn't let her.

One of them gets violent,

and the others, they're all lining their pockets.

One of them goes down, they all do,

so together, they clean up shop.

Well, when there's a cleanup, we know that one of them

has a weaker stomach.

And in this case, that was Kuenzel.

Last Letitia heard from him, he was headed up to a cabin

with his cop friends.

Eichmeier's got one up in Roscoe.

If these snakes kept this secret for this long,

they'd be willing to do anything to keep it buried.

I hope you're right.

Thomas Ahearn.

Good morning, detectives.

I'm Captain Curry. This is Sergeant Rollins, SVU.

Beautiful property you got here.

I can't complain.

So what can I do for you?

We caught a case that might involve some people you helped

put away back in the day.

We're hoping maybe you can walk us through

some of your old case files.

Which case?

Miles Gibbs.

Oh.

My memory's shot, Captain.

And to be honest, Sergeant,

I try not to think about those days too much.

But maybe we can walk you through what we have.

It won't take longer than a minute.

Gotta go! Have a nice day, detectives.

NVIDIA is gonna double by March.

I promise you that.

Leo Eichmeier.

What are the chances? Oh, sorry to interrupt.

I'm Jake Griffin.

My dad was a detective in the 2-9.

He talked about you guys all the time growing up.

Griffin, Griffin. You're Jimmy's kid.

Yeah, sure am.

By the look at you, you made detective.

- Yeah. - What do they got you on?

Special Victims.

Oh, sex police.

You're a bit of a pervert, huh?

You know, I just go where they tell me to.

Great to meet you. Jimmy Griffin.

Whoo!

That's a blast from the past.

Uh, to be honest, I knew you'd be here, and, uh...

I, uh, think I gotta tell you something.

I won't be more than a minute. - No problem.

So my dad spoke very highly of you.

He always said that you put your guys first, okay?

So I, uh--I wanted to tell you

that SVU is looking into the Miles Gibbs undercover op.

What does SVU care about Gibbs?

That case was all Narcotics.

Honestly, I'm just the new guy.

Still trying to figure out why SVU looks into

half the cases it looks into.

All I'm saying is, if there's a particular direction

that you want me to turn everyone's neck...

Jimmy worked days. I worked midnights.

I offered to get him a shift on my crew.

I told him the overtime was killer.

You know what Jimmy, the rookie detective making peanuts, said?

What?

He said, I've got a little guy at home.

I gotta take care of him.

Good luck with the investigation, kid.

Hey.

I just got nudged.

Jimmy Griffin's kid.

Oh, yeah? How's he?

Eh, bit of a putz.

I mean, he's not wrong.

Okay, quiet.

I'm wondering about our old friend.

I'm thinking there's a chance

he comes over for dinner.

- When? - Soon.

He still like that place you got upstate?

Yeah.

Then let's make sure it's spic and span.

He's gotta be talking about Eichmeier's cabin.

They're gonna get rid of the body.

I'll expedite a warrant.

NYPD!

- Don't move! - Hold on a minute.

Why don't we all calm down?

Put your hands behind your head, now.

Watch them.

Everybody else, fan out.

Griff!

After you, new guy.

Griff!

Ladder stops here.

How much further you got?

I think I can make it.

You all right?

Yeah.

You see anything?

Found the rest of Kuenzel.

You wanna explain to us how half of Jerry Kuenzel

wound up on your property?

And what were you and Thomas Ahearn doing

with an angle grinder and a couple of tarps

at 10:00 at night?

You got nothing to say?

You know, my old partner at Bronx SVU used to say

there's only two kinds of perps--

honest crooks and crooked police.

Well, at least one of them can look themselves in the mirror.

Back in the day, Bronx police used to pull stunts.

Made the 2-9 look like honest Abes.

Oh, how they let you within

an inch of the DA's office, I have no idea.

But you know what?

You are not as slick as you think you are, man,

because we found something. Oh, yeah.

We found the cassette tape that you and your friends doctored,

and it has got cover-up written all over it.

So we're gonna look into every aspect of your life

until we find the truth.

I bet you all of Jimmy's buddies

told you your daddy was clean as a baby's soul.

Keep believing that, kid.

That big house, that cute boat,

the condo you just bought your daughter,

we're gonna go after all of it.

You tell us what happened to Tameka Davis, Jerry Kuenzel,

we may try and get you a lighter sentence.

You wanna know how SVU got ahold of that tape?

Hmm?

My teenage son found it, accidentally listened to it,

and then Captain Benson and I had the true pleasure

of playing it for Tameka's mother.

Hadn't heard her daughter's voice in 27 years,

and now this is the last memory she's gonna have of it.

The sound of Tameka pleading for her life,

pleading to be with her son. - You know something,

and you wanna sit there and say nothing.

Thomas, did you hurt her?

Did you use Tameka for intel?

And then when you realized you couldn't squeeze her anymore,

you raped her. - No.

You beat her.

No, I could never-- look, look,

we manipulated her to get us all rich, like you said.

Leo was her handler, and he had this, um...

let's call it a fixation for her.

Okay.

Was he in her apartment that night?

He and I both were.

And yeah, Leo--

Leo got a bit fresh.

Did you see him hurt her?

No, he didn't--

he was just flirting, you know?

He put his hand on her waist.

You didn't feel the need to step in?

Leo told me to get lost.

Told me to meet him at the corner pub.

An hour later, the guy shows up, and he's panicked.

He said that Tameka just flipped out on him

and he had to put her down, and then he needed our help.

And Kuenzel and Holliday and me were

the only guys he could trust.

So Eichmeier rapes and kills her,

and then he calls you all to clean house.

It's not like we had a choice.

How'd she end up in a basement

in a building on West 46th?

Leo had a Westie contact.

It's like calling a guy who--

to come pick up your dry cleaning.

You ring him up, and no questions asked.

So what happened in Leo's cabin?

Leo was always scared that Kuenzel

was eventually gonna crack, so we put the screws to him.

I can still see it to this day.

We had poor Jerry there,

swearing on his dead mother's grave

he's never gonna tell a soul.

Then Leo just--

Leo just reached into his couch cushions, pulled out a gun,

and shot the guy mid-sentence.

But it's been 27 years.

I can't carry this thing no more.

What are we thinking here?

Rape and first-degree murder charges

for Leo Eichmeier on top of all the corruption charges?

Hard to believe Leo's capable of all this.

I know.

What do you wanna do with Ahearn?

Look, everything that he said

matches up with the evidence we found.

Let's charge him with conspiracy

for the cover-up as well as the corruption.

We'll plead down on sentence if he helps us nail Eichmeier.

Chief Tynan, it's nice to see you.

I would have given you a call, but since you're here,

Ahearn just flipped on Eichmeier.

We're discussing a plea deal.

I see.

Look, nobody likes to force open old wounds,

least of all 1PP.

But I'd just like to underscore how much locking up

two dirty cops would give the department

the boost it needs

in light of all the, uh, recent bad press.

And Captain Benson has done

such a terrific job investigating.

It was a group effort.

No need to be modest.

We all know how much you love being in the trenches.

Let's offer Ahearn five years.

You want me to call the Brooklyn DA,

get a special prosecutor assigned?

I mean, Eichmeier does work with us.

Not anymore, he doesn't.

I was weak, plain and simple.

And I'm not trying to get a free ride here, okay?

I'm gonna do time for my corruption charges.

But I never hurt that girl.

And I didn't kill Jerry Kuenzel.

Leo Eichmeier did.

Thank you, Mr. Ahearn.

Nothing further, Your Honor.

Everyone loves a reformed cop.

Now, Mr. Ahearn, please tell the jury how you know

a Michael Christopher Lally. - Objection. Relevance?

Overruled.

Answer the question, Mr. Ahearn.

Michael was an acquaintance.

He was a member of the notorious Irish gang

called the Westies, wasn't he?

That's what I heard.

And isn't it also true, Mr. Ahearn,

that Mr. Lally was your ex-wife's first cousin?

That's correct.

And isn't it also true that it was you,

Mr. Ahearn, not the defendant, who called Mr. Lally

to help dispose of the bodies?

Yes, but I did it at Leo's behest.

Thank you for answering the question, Mr. Ahearn.

What did you do with the drugs that you stole?

We sold them.

So all four of you went to the streets

and took up slinging crack as a side gig?

We sold them to Michael Lally.

Ah, so through your connection to Mr. Lally,

you're the reason everyone got rich.

And you're the reason that Tameka Davis

and Jerry Kuenzel's remains wound up in that basement.

Now, you're saying that my client was the one calling

the shots, but it sounds to me like you were the one

keeping the machine running.

Could any of this--

the corruption, the murders, the cleanup--

could any of this have happened without you?

So that makes the rest of his testimony null and void?

Vaughn's gonna pin this whole thing on Ahearn.

If we're lucky, Eichmeier does minimal time

for the corruption and conspiracy.

And Tameka just gets lost in the shuffle.

Well, Miles Gibbs, he's the first one to hint

that cops were involved.

Well, he wouldn't give up details then.

What makes you think that he's gonna talk now?

I'll tell him we listen.

I saw the look on your face when you were

listening to that recording.

Tameka just wasn't some girl.

You cared about her.

You loved her.

I also know you applied for parole last year

and got denied.

Tell me what you know, and I promise I will show up

to your parole hearing and tell the parole board

what you did to help Tameka.

I do some cop dirty, what you think they're gonna do to me?

This won't reopen your case.

You've done your time.

You help put some murderous, raping cop away,

and the parole board will look at you differently.

Leo Eichmeier put me in bracelets.

And when he did, you know what that pig said to me?

That he gave Tameka what she deserved,

that she liked it, that she died begging for more.

You'll tell that to a jury?

I probably can do better than that.

FBI had ears all up in my business.

My place was bugged, just like Tameka's.

I learned that in court.

You're saying this is all on tape.

I don't know.

What, am I supposed to do your job for you?

Go talk to the Feds.

All right. Okay.

There was a lot of ugliness, a lot of violence back then.

But Tameka, she was innocent.

She was good.

You know, when I met her she was waiting tables.

I left her a $100 tip.

I shouldn't have done that.

And maybe--well...

if I hadn't asked her out,

we wouldn't be here now, would we?

When you're in the game, you don't make it to the top

'cause you can shoot a gun straight.

You get there because you can look a man in his eye

and know if what he's selling is BS.

Leo Eichmeier did what he said he did on that tape.

Mr. Gibbs, can you enlighten the jury on the charges

brought against you in '99?

It might be best you do it.

The DA tells me I don't do lawyer-speak right.

Possession and distribution of controlled substances,

racketeering, obstruction of justice and--ah,

here's the one--

lying to federal officers while under oath.

Do you remember doing that?

I said some things.

I did some things back then, a lot of things.

But every man's gotta have a code...

and this here's mine.

I never raped or murdered anyone.

All the crimes I did do, I served my time.

And Leo Eichmeier's gotta do his.

Guilty on all counts.

Gibbs did good, but Fin, I gotta tell you, man,

it's great to have you back.

Actually, that was just a one-off.

Fin is not back full-time yet.

What are you talking about? Why?

Still making my way through "GTA V."

Hey, well, look, seeing as I just put away

one of my own investigators, there's an opening in my office

if you're ever looking to take things down a notch.

What? Okay, hold on. What is happening here?

Now you're poaching people from my unit?

What? No, never.

Come on. It's just an idea.

- Fin is fine. Fin has a job. - Okay.

Hey, yo, I'ma let you two hash this out.

I've still got a ton of gold bullion waiting on me to boost.

Well, come on. It's just an idea.

Oh, what is the idea?

That Fin needs to take it down a notch?

Is that--is that any of your business, Carisi?

No, it's not, but that's not what I said.

He doesn't need to take it down a notch or slow down.

He needs SVU.

Liv, are you talking about Fin,

or are you talking about you?

Junior's?

Eileen's.

Jimmy raised you right.

Mm.

So what's on your mind, kiddo?

I, um--

I interrogated Leo Eichmeier.

Leo Eichmeier is a murderer, rapist,

and an embarrassment to this department and this city.

Keep that at the forefront of your mind

whenever he opens his mouth.

Yeah, well, he said Dad wasn't who I thought he was.

I just gotta know what's what--for me.

I could find out myself, I guess,

but I wanted to ask you first.

I need you to understand something.

Back then, it was a different world.

The perps were different.

The rules and standards were different.

Were there things we did back in the day

that wouldn't fly now?

Sure.

But was Jimmy a good cop?

Absolutely.

He was brave. He was loyal.

Well, Leo Eichmeier valued loyalty too.

He valued loyalty so much, in fact,

that he killed Jerry Kuenzel over it.

What's the ideal outcome of you and I

engaging in this conversation?

- The truth. - To what end?

To know who he was, you know?

And if he was something different, then--

You'll stop loving him?

You'll stop being a cop?

No.

I'd suggest figuring out what you want

before asking those questions, Jake.

Things going well at SVU?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Smooth sailing.

I might need you to look into something for me down the line.

- What's that? - Just some old cases.

Which is evidently right up your alley.

Yeah. Okay.

Um, well, you know, I'm pretty busy over there, so--

You'll find the time.

Well, thank you for the chat, Chief.

You're welcome.