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In the criminal justice system, sexually
based offenses are considered
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especially heinous.
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In New York City, the dedicated
detectives who investigate these vicious
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felonies are members of an elite squad
known as the Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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These are coming three close together. I
think it's time to head to the
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hospital. But the last one didn't even
last a full minute. You've been in labor
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for over 48 hours.
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I'm getting worried.
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I don't want to go all the way to the
hospital for them to send me home. They
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said soon.
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Okay, let's just watch a movie.
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And then we can see how I feel after.
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Yeah.
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Do you like where home comes? Natalie.
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Listen, I couldn't forgive myself if
something happened to you.
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Just please.
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Please.
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hospital. I will be there with you the
whole way. I promise.
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You are so great.
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I don't know what I would do without
you.
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Okay.
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Let's do it.
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How am I going to go back?
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A call coming.
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Oh, my God.
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Monica?
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It's him.
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What do you mean, it's him? It's him.
He's here. He's outside.
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What? Are you sure?
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Where is he?
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Which one?
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You're positive you saw him?
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Natalie?
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I need police right away. I think my
client was kidnapped by her rapist.
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One second, sorry.
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She's back.
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Hey, Rollins.
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Hey, yourself, Tran.
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Thank you. So what do we got?
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Vic's name is Natalie Tanzillo, 34 years
old, an active laborer. She told her
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doula she was being stalked by her
rapist. No name or vigils for our
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yet, but I got officers canvassing a two
-mile radius.
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They found this on the street.
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Her phone. Herb must have chucked it.
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I'm sorry. She's in active labor?
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Dula says she's about to pop. All right,
get us access to subway cams, traffic
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cams, and grab any ring footage these
neighbors might have.
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Your new partner?
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Yeah. Well, you know about her, right?
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She was a rat.
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Rat in internal affairs.
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Come on, I thought that was a pretty
good rat impersonation.
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I've worked with her before. Curry's
solid.
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Cool. Very cool. Just, you know, looking
out.
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She's giving birth to a stillborn baby
that's a product of a rape.
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I know, right?
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It's a lot.
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She wanted me to coach her through the
early stages of labor until she had to
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to the hospital to deliver, but it's
taken a while. And she never told you
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raped her? Just that she knew him
through work, and he stopped her for
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That's why she got this sublet.
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It isn't even her apartment. I have no
idea how he found us.
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So how long until she gives birth do you
think?
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Could be a day.
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Could be five minutes.
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Listen, Natalie has a lot of underlying
conditions.
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Plampsia, placenta previa.
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If she delivers without a doctor, she
could bleed out.
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Okay.
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... ... ...
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... ... ...
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...
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According to the doula, Natalie is
pretty much on her own. She's got no
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in the area, doesn't seem to have the
support of her friends.
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And she never reported the rape? Check
the open 61. Nothing's there. Okay, so
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all we have is a time frame. We know
that the assault happened 20 weeks ago.
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Right, and Natalie did tell Anika that
she and the perp had worked together. I
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checked employment records. Natalie has
no W -2 income for the last two years.
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All right, Transit Bureau just flagged
this subway surveillance.
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Okay, so that's Natalie entering the
23rd Street C &E station from about half
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hour ago. I can't tell who she's with,
but Transit Bureau's tracking every step
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on every connecting line to pick up
their trip. But we can't wait for that.
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Bruno, grab Griff. Griff's in Phoenix.
Nick met Confer. Right. Okay. You, see
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you can track down any of Natalie's
family. You two head to her apartment
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see if you can pull anything that might
tell us where she's working in our 20
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-week time frame.
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She kept track of how many glasses of
water she drank, how many steps she
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clocked, and how many times she
practiced calligraphy, but not a single
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here about work.
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This girl's been through the ringer.
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It's brutal.
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Yeah.
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There's a card in here, though. Maybe
it's a friend we can actually contact.
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How's it feel being back?
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Well, this is a tough case to walk into,
but I'm good.
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Officer Tran was happy to see you.
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Yeah, he's got a big mouth, but he's
harmless. I'm happy with the current
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No issues for me. Me neither.
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Yeah, he's just mad because I jammed up
a buddy of his for taking bribes.
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Sucks to suck.
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Yeah. Got an ultrasound printout and a
couple of reimbursement checks from a
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place called Wheels for Pups. That sound
like a non -profit? Yeah.
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Volunteering would explain no W -2
income.
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You hear that?
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Like a cue in the door?
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Natalie?
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Tanzila?
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We're with NYPD, SVU. Are you hurt?
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Um, uh... I don't think... Oh, God.
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Oh, God.
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Oh, God.
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Central, this is Curry with SVU. Missing
female... Okay, breathe.
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Breathe.
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Okay. Okay. We got you.
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We've got a pregnant woman in active
labor, high -risk, heading to Northwell
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Greenwich. No, no, Northwell, not there.
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Madeline, just focus on your breathing.
Okay, we've got to get you to the public
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hospital. No, no, stop there.
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There's a doctor. I don't trust
Northwell girls, please.
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He's anywhere but there.
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Hey, try New York Presbyterian. We'll
meet you there.
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Hey, what's the story? She's with the
doc now. Wasn't in any shape to tell us
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anything. She just walked in, alone.
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Yeah, no parent injuries. Besides being
in labor, she seemed fine. Patient's
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ready for discharge.
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Excuse me.
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I'm Captain Benson, SVU.
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Are you discharging Natalie Tanzillo?
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We were told that she was at risk for
bleeding out.
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I recommend you talk to her yourself.
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Natalie. Natalie, I'm Captain Benson.
You should be standing up.
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Hey, are you okay? Tell me what
happened. Why are they sending you home?
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I don't know. I don't understand.
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Do you need to sit down?
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No.
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No. Because I felt it. I felt it.
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But the doctor, he's...
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The doctor.
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I don't even know how to tell you.
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You know what?
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Did you deliver the baby?
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You know what? Let me bring the doctor
back in here, okay?
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No, no.
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What happened to the baby?
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There wasn't one.
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That woman was never pregnant.
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Natalie.
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Hey.
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Hi.
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Can I just have a bit of space?
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I'm kind of going through a lot right
now. I don't want you to think that
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in any kind of trouble because you're
not. I'm here because I want to help.
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doctor, he told me to talk to a
psychiatrist.
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I swear that I'm not crazy. Natalie,
after a big trauma like the one you went
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through,
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The body and the mind can come up with
very powerful and creative ways to
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cope. Ways that can feel very, very
real.
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You've seen this before? What I've seen
is victims of sexual assault try to
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hide from what happened.
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When real healing comes from facing what
happened.
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Why don't we go and talk about this,
okay?
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No, I'm sorry. I just... I want to go
home. I'm sorry that I... I'm sorry that
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made everybody worry. Natalie, whatever
happened today, the man that did this to
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you is still out there.
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Okay? I know, I know.
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Look,
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you're right, but I just... I can't deal
with this right now. I'm sorry.
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I'm going to give you my card.
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Okay? I'm going to give you my card.
This is...
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This is my personal number on the back.
Call me any time, okay?
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You are such a good...
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Pseudo -psiesis can happen to victims of
sexual assault, but it's just extremely
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rare. I mean, I don't know.
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How'd the doula miss a fake pregnancy?
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Well, they're not medical professionals.
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And at 20 weeks, given Natalie's build,
I mean, even we bought it.
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Something's not tracking from here. You
know, we found an ultrasound image at
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Natalie's apartment, and if she was
never pregnant...
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Where did she get it? I can find you
three million ultrasounds on Google
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now. Exactly. So she thought it out, she
printed it out, knowing it wasn't hers?
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But if she really believed that she was
pregnant... Why go through the trouble?
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Look, I'm not saying that the assault
didn't happen.
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My own sister faked a pregnancy after an
assault.
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Maybe Natalie just needed help and she
thought that this was the only way she
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could get it.
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Just keep pulling that thread.
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Any look tracking down Natalie's history
of employment?
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Wheels for Pubs confirmed Natalie was a
volunteer within our time frame, but get
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this. Her supervisor, Eduardo Pereira,
he's got a record in decent
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exposure. Okay. A misdemeanor or a
violation?
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I'm still working on getting the case
files unsealed.
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Okay. So head to his office and see what
you can find out.
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Can I bring a buddy?
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Yeah.
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You go ahead. I'm going to try and track
down this baby gift, see if we can
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figure out who gave it to her. Great.
I'm driving.
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I'm sorry.
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All good habits.
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By the way, if you want your old spot
back... No, no, no. I'm good.
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Got a clear view of the exit.
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Are you trying to ditch us?
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I'm Feng Shui. This is what they call
the command position.
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You learn something new every day.
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Natalie was here for almost a year.
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Honestly, she wasn't the most reliable.
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A lot of absences was frankly lame
excuses.
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Fine lame.
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Mystery illnesses that suddenly got
cured.
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Then her mom was sick and she had to
take care of her.
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Other people around here have the same
experience. People think she's sweet and
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all, I guess.
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Did she ever have any issues with her
supervisor?
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What did she say he did?
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Can't really get into details.
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For the record, Eduardo's a stand -up
guy.
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Everyone here loves him.
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Whatever Natalie said, I would take with
a monster grain of salt.
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There we go. Easy peasy.
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Eduardo Pereira.
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Captain Curry, this is Detective Bruno
with the NYPD Special Victims Unit. Can
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we chat?
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Of course. Everything okay?
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Just want to ask you some questions
about Natalie Tanzillo.
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Can you tell us what your relationship
was like with her?
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Relationship? I mean, she volunteered
here a couple months back.
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Why? Were you arrested in 2010?
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What does that have to do with Natalie?
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Do you want to tell us what happened?
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I was a dummy 19 -year -old freshman
rushing a frat. They dared me to streak
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through a quad.
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Someone reported me, and I...
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My dad knows a couple people in the VA's
office. The charges were dropped.
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We're glossing over any of the finer
details. We will find out. I'm married
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my husband.
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Look, honestly, I felt sorry for her.
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She told me something bad had happened
to her, but she didn't say what exactly.
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I thought she might have had, like, a
miscarriage or something.
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Oh, good.
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When we first met, maybe a year ago.
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Never get old, Lily.
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One day you're playing rock and roll,
and the next you got books for hands.
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Brader.
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Hi, I'm Captain Benson. This is Sergeant
Rollins. We're from the Special Victims
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Unit. Should I be worried?
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No, not at all. We just wanted to ask
you some questions about Natalie
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Think you can manage without me?
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So, you were a friend?
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Of Natalie's? No, I wouldn't say that.
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But you did buy her a baby gift. We
traced a custom onesie to your credit
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purchase eight months ago.
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I wasn't her friend. I was her doula.
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Oh, so Natalie was pregnant eight months
ago.
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No, I wouldn't say that.
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Is she under investigation?
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Why would you say that?
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Look, whatever she said happened to her,
if she told you she was pregnant, if
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she told you she was raped, don't
believe any of it. Natalie is not a
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She's a predator.
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She told me she had been raped and that
the baby was stillborn, that she was all
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alone.
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I just felt so sorry for her.
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And it's sort of custom in the doula
community to provide compassionate
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pro bono, so I didn't charge her. How
did you find out that the pregnancy
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real?
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Once the labor started, it was just this
marathon, hours and hours of
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contraction. And then they stopped.
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And then as soon as I said I was going
home to sleep, they would start up
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And I cooked for her. I helped her
dress.
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Helped her bathe.
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So disgusting. I can't believe I fell
for it.
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Lily, if Natalie did anything that was
inappropriate, that's 100 % not
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your fault.
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She was manipulating you.
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On the third night, she was like, oh, my
feet hurt.
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Could you help me with this ointment?
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So I was rubbing it on her feet, and
then she said she wanted on her thighs,
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too.
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And then her hand started moving,
touching herself between her legs,
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and she started, like, moaning.
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I couldn't move. I felt really trapped.
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And Natalie could tell that she had
crossed the line because she kept
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on how she read somewhere that
stimulation couldn't do flavor. But I
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I just backed up and left.
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So, Lily, what you're describing is
sexual abuse.
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No. It was really messed up, but it
wasn't that.
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It's exactly that.
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Imagine hearing a story like this. It's
that switch for sexes.
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Your friend tells you that a man did
this to her. What are you going to tell
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her?
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She's done this to someone else, hasn't
she?
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To another doula. That's why you're
here.
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How many?
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To be honest, we didn't know it was a
pattern until we talked to you.
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There's a message group with other
doulas here in the city. I could send a
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message if you think that would help.
That would be very helpful.
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So she's conning doulas into coaching
phantom pregnancies?
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What the hell does she get out of this?
Victim. She's found women who aren't
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medically trained, no supervision, and a
lot of time alone. It's Sex Offenders
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101. She's like an empathy vampire.
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I mean, she feeds off of it. She makes
up a ton of trauma, and then she finds
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women whose job it is to be empathetic
and compassionate and helpful, and then
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she takes advantage of them for her own
sexual gratification.
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Remember when Natalie didn't want the
ambulance to take her to Northwell
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Greenwich? What do you want to bet?
She's a frequent flyer there. They know
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scam. Well, not to channel my husband,
but charging her is going to be tricky.
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Lily's case is straightforward.
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Right. But it is also true that one way
to start labor is to have an orgasm.
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There was no baby. There was no labor.
They will argue that she thought that
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was pregnant.
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Look, Lily and Annika worked for free
when they could have taken on real
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clients. So Carisi could charge her with
financial fraud. But I want to charge
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her as a predator.
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Captain, some women were asking for you.
They're doulas.
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Wow. So you all know Natalie TenZilla?
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This is just who could make it here
today.
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There are more.
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A lot more.
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Karina Harpole coached Natalie over
FaceTime, which is not an uncommon
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for doulas. Natalie kept her on the
phone for 12 to 14 hours for almost a
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And then Karina threatened to call 911.
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So she finally agreed to go to the
hospital. A couple hours later, she
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Karina that she's been sexually
assaulted by the paramedic, right, on
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the hospital because, of course.
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Is this woman for real?
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Three doulas, including Karina, report
that Natalie masturbated while
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FaceTiming. Lydia Guerrera said that
Natalie fell in the shower when she
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in to help. Natalie was on the floor
rubbing her nipples. She said that she
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heard that it can induce labor. And she
used the same defense on a handful of
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others. I mean, Karina, this is 30
doulas that were hired under the same
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pretenses and seven counts of sexual
abuse. I mean, that's got to be enough.
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Data point. I can charge her with scheme
to defraud. That's a felony, but the
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shower stuff, public lewdness, maybe,
again, misdemeanor. Neither of which are
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enough to get her on the sex registry.
And because sex abuse one is tough.
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Look, we need to prove forcible
compulsion. Did Natalie at any point
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women to touch her?
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Yeah, okay, so Lydia said that Natalie
tried to pull her hand towards her.
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I mean, I might be able to get a jury to
believe that that's forcible
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compulsion, but you got half your
victims here.
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on the record saying that they're not
even sure what they saw.
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Kersey, if Natalie were a man, we
wouldn't even be having this
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would have been on the sex offenders
registry yesterday. You don't need to
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convince me. I know she's a predator,
but a jury's a different story.
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All right? You all know the fact. There
is a reason that only 2 % of registered
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sex offenders are female.
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Yeah, and the sheer volume of women that
Natalie victimized proves that she
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deserves to be among them.
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What is the one constant across all
these victim statements?
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That the baby was stillborn. No, that
Natalie was raped.
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And even the most mediocre defense
attorney on the planet will know to
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the word assault for every teardrop of
sympathy it's worth.
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Okay.
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Okay. So you tell me what is our
strategy now? You got to get her to
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some of the details in these dual
stories or admit that she forced them to
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her. Natalie is smart.
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The minute we try to lock her into a
story, she's going to weasel her way
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I don't know about that.
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Liv's got a way of getting people to
open up, even the guilty ones.
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Your superpower is empathy.
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This time, he uses his weapon.
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So the precinct can get so chilly
sometimes.
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Here you go. Thank you. Can I get you a
blanket?
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No, this is perfect.
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Your office is...
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It's so nice.
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Oh, thank you. You know, it's so
important to me to make everyone feel,
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know, comfortable and welcome and, you
know, cozy.
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So, Nellie, I've been thinking a lot
about you.
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Really? Yeah.
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I am thinking about everything we've
been through and how much courage
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it took.
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And so I thought it would just be nice
for us to...
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You know, sit down and talk about how to
help you move into the next chapter
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of your life.
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That means so much to me.
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Thank you, Captain Benson. You're
welcome.
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God, you're so good at what you do.
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Oh, thank you. And I have some
incredible news for you.
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Yeah.
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We found the man who assaulted you.
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Wow.
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His name is Eduardo Pereira, and you
worked with him at the non -profit.
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Yeah. And I have enough to arrest him,
and I'm going to put him away for a very
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long time.
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I'm so sorry, Captain Metz.
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Eduardo didn't do anything. He's a good
man. Natalie.
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You don't have to be afraid of him.
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No, seriously. He didn't do anything.
It's not him.
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Okay.
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I'm sorry. It is a little chilly. Could
I actually get that blanket, please?
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Oh, of course.
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Of course.
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Here you go.
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I'll get it just right for you.
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Thanks. Yeah.
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Good?
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Yeah.
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Okay. Okay.
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So, all right.
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Your rape was eight months ago, right?
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Five,
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actually. Five?
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Oh, okay. So then I'm a little confused.
Maybe you can help me clear this up. So
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if your rape was five months ago, why
did you hire Lily Brader eight months
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Lily, why are you talking to Lily?
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Natalie, look, like I said before, when
I have nothing to go on, I have to dig
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into every single detail, everything.
And like you so kindly observed,
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I am very good at my job.
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Yeah.
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Well, I found Lily.
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When I had a pregnancy scare.
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After a sexual assault?
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Wait.
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Wait, another one?
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I can't remember.
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Oh, I know. And, you know, trauma
affects our memories, right?
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Natalie, I need you to dig deep here.
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Dig really deep and tell me, were you
raped?
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Five months ago or eight months ago or a
year ago or 18 months ago, like another
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doula has said. Please, I don't like
that. I know, it's hard. It's so hard. I
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get it.
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But listen, with truth comes trust.
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And if you want someone to, you know, to
really care about you, to really
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empathize with you,
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Then you have to be, you know, actually
honest.
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So, do you think you can do that for me?
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So, Natalie, were you ever,
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you know, really raped?
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Would you mind getting me a little bit
more tea?
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It's really nice.
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Vanilla?
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Thank you.
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You know, people tell me that my
superpower is empathy.
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But you know what else I'm really good
at?
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Noticing when someone's lying to my
face.
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And I know that you're doing that.
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You were never sexually assaulted,
Natalie, and you've given me enough
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to prove it. Why are you being so mean
to me?
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I am a victim. No, Natalie, you're not a
victim.
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You're an abuser.
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And you targeted.
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And used these women. You used them for
their empathy. And for their
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kindness. Because you liked the way it
made you feel.
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But you're done.
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You're done.
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You're under arrest, Natalie. Get up.
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Your Honor, I am handing up the
indictment and serving a copy on the
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who is being charged with scheme to
defraud 30 victims and seven counts of
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sexual assault.
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Defendant acknowledges receipt and
enters a plea of not guilty.
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Motion? Yes, Your Honor. Pursuant to CPL
Section 25010, I am giving notice of
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our intent to present psychiatric
evidence on the affirmative defense of
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criminal responsibility by reason of
mental defect or disease.
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And what specific defect are we talking
about here?
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It's all there in Dr. Oshiro's reports.
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Dr. Oshiro, what were your conclusions
after your psychological evaluation of
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Natalie Tanzalo? It's my professional
opinion that Natalie meets the
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criteria for factitious disorder imposed
on self.
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Now, can you please explain this
disorder in layman terms?
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It used to be known colloquially as
Munchausen syndrome. Someone like
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deliberately fabricates or exaggerates
physical symptoms driven by a
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psychological need to adopt the role of
a sick person.
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Would you call her a liar?
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No. Anything untrue she says is rooted
in mental illness. She has no awareness
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that her fabrications can and do cause
harm to others.
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And in your professional opinion, can
Natalie be held responsible for...
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causing that harm. No. A person with
this disorder is so overwhelmed by the
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compulsion that nothing else matters.
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Nothing further.
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Thank you, doctor.
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Your witness.
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Dr. Oshiro, in the 30 years of
practicing psychiatry, how many patients
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treated? Ballpark estimates, five.
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Oh, I'd say close to 30 ,000.
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That's impressive.
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And of those 30 ,000, how many have you
diagnosed with factitious disorder?
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Five, including Ms. Tenzilla. Five out
of 30 ,000?
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Factitious disorder really is that rare?
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It can be difficult to diagnose.
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Are there any illnesses that have
similar symptoms?
481
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960
It can sometimes be confused with
malingering.
482
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,980
Malingering? What is that?
483
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:52,620
Malingering involves faking symptoms for
an obvious external reward, such as
484
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:55,860
money, avoiding work, or evading
criminal charges.
485
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,540
Could you give the jury an example of
the difference between the two?
486
00:32:00,090 --> 00:32:04,550
Say a child lies about being sick to
avoid taking a test at school.
487
00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:08,310
That's malingering. Now, if the child
just wants to stay home and be cared for
488
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:12,190
or get attention for being ill, that
could be factitious disorder.
489
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:13,930
Could be. So even you're not sure.
490
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:15,210
Which one?
491
00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:22,230
Dr. Oshiro, you mentioned external
rewards. Can sexual gratification be an
492
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:23,230
external reward?
493
00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:25,250
Yes, although that... Thank you. That's
all I need.
494
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:27,490
One more question.
495
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:29,470
You said evading.
496
00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:34,090
Criminal charges can also be viewed as
an external reward, correct?
497
00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:40,170
I did. Dr. Oshiro, in your professional
opinion, isn't that exactly what is
498
00:32:40,170 --> 00:32:41,470
happening in this very courtroom?
499
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:43,650
Objection. Argumentative. That's vain.
500
00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:45,790
Nothing further.
501
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:55,230
Why would you tell multiple doulas you
were pregnant when you weren't?
502
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:57,630
They were...
503
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:04,260
They were so nice, so good to me, and I
think I needed that
504
00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:06,720
to be taken care of.
505
00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:14,660
And if I had known how much it was
damaging them, how much I was hurting
506
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,300
then I never would have done any of it.
507
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:26,080
Now, Mr. Carisi will say that you made
up your pregnancies in order to trick
508
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,460
doulas into some...
509
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Sexual gratification scheme.
510
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:32,240
Is there any truth to that? Of course
not.
511
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:38,820
What I did was wrong, and I know that
now.
512
00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:42,160
You must think that it was sick of me to
do it in the first place.
513
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,700
I am so sorry.
514
00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:49,260
I am sick.
515
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,740
I have an illness.
516
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,080
I am not a pervert.
517
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:56,940
Thank you, Natalie.
518
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,580
No further questions, Your Honor.
519
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Ms.
520
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:11,040
Tanzillo, of the 150 birthing doulas
that you follow on Instagram,
521
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,639
how did you land on the ones you hired?
522
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:18,900
Um, I don't know. Whoever seemed kind.
523
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,199
Seemed kind.
524
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,540
More than half of them had under six
months of experience, so maybe they
525
00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:27,050
gullible. Objection.
526
00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:28,690
Argumentative. Sustained.
527
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:33,330
Captain Olivia Benson of the Manhattan
Special Victims Unit testified that you
528
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:36,929
claimed to have been sexually assaulted
by a former co -worker.
529
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:41,130
I said that. An assault that you were
cantered only after the detectives told
530
00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:43,750
you that they were prepared to arrest
your former supervisor.
531
00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:46,770
I would really like to... Let me finish.
Why didn't you...
532
00:34:47,150 --> 00:34:51,110
Just let Captain Benson arrest that guy.
Objection. My client is not responsible
533
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:54,770
for deciding who does or does not get
arrested. We all know why defense
534
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:57,470
doesn't want a client to answer, Your
Honor, but this is a proper question.
535
00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:58,970
The witness can answer.
536
00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:05,850
I'm so sorry. I forgot what the question
was. Oh, I'm happy to remind you.
537
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:10,930
Why not just let the police arrest your
former boss for rape?
538
00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:12,710
Because he didn't do it.
539
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:13,930
Who cares?
540
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:15,110
I do.
541
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:21,780
That would be wrong, and to be clear...
Well, I'm confused here, because didn't
542
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:26,860
Dr. Oshiro say that your disorder
prevents you from knowing your
543
00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:29,920
can and do cause harm to others? That's
what he said.
544
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,260
He did, but... Thank you for answering
the question, Ms. Tantillo.
545
00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:36,000
I appreciate it.
546
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,720
Now, Lily Braid had testified...
547
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,480
that after feigning labor for three
days, you asked her to rub your thighs.
548
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,480
that true?
549
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,140
Yeah. And you were only wearing a thin
covering over your body that you tried
550
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:56,900
remove? I was wearing pajamas. Did you
pull her hand or otherwise restrain her
551
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:57,980
while she was rubbing your legs?
552
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:04,280
I don't remember ever doing that. Did
you stimulate your genitals in front of
553
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,238
Miss Prater?
554
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,620
But Dr. O'Shearer said that was because
of my illness.
555
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:10,660
Your illness makes you masturbate in
front of a virtual stranger?
556
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,580
No, no. They say that it can trigger
contractions.
557
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,100
Contractions for a baby that you knew
did not exist.
558
00:36:16,460 --> 00:36:17,540
But I wanted it to.
559
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:18,820
You wanted to have a baby?
560
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Dr. O'Shearer said that it was part of
my compulsion. No, no. Again, Dr.
561
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,780
O'Shearer said that people with that
disorder do not understand that their
562
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:29,840
hurt others. You do understand that.
What is this, a psychology lesson?
563
00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:31,580
Ask a question, Mr. Carisi.
564
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Ms. Panzillo.
565
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:37,440
Why did you hire 30 doulas?
566
00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:44,940
I just wanted to feel like somebody
cared about me.
567
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:47,680
And why'd you have them touch your body?
568
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,600
I just liked how it felt.
569
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,380
And is that why you stimulated yourself
sexually in front of them? Because you
570
00:36:58,380 --> 00:36:59,380
liked how that felt too?
571
00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:00,960
No, I don't know.
572
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,060
And is that not the definition?
573
00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:06,090
A sexual gratification at their expense.
574
00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:07,750
Objection.
575
00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:09,670
Withdrawn.
576
00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:15,730
Nothing further.
577
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:27,730
We got a verdict?
578
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:28,509
Not yet.
579
00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:30,490
But Tim Bill's defense attorney's here
to see you.
580
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:31,910
Let her in.
581
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:37,510
What can I do for you? Sit down, please.
582
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:39,348
Feeling good?
583
00:37:39,350 --> 00:37:40,350
Yeah, I'm the worst.
584
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:43,150
It's very taken at the time, isn't it?
585
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:44,830
Well, I'm happy to wait him out.
586
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:48,810
Sympathetic defendant, shaky felony
charge at best.
587
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:51,650
You really think waiting it out's your
best move?
588
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:56,510
You know you don't have a home run
either, otherwise you wouldn't be here.
589
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:57,448
what are you offering?
590
00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:59,610
My client pleads guilty on all counts of
fraud.
591
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:02,310
Okay, what about the other charges?
592
00:38:02,610 --> 00:38:03,610
No other charges.
593
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:06,570
She walks on all seven counts of sexual
abuse.
594
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:09,050
Sex offender registry is off the table.
595
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:14,290
You're selling me a ham sandwich, and
you're telling me it's a Reuben. Come
596
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:15,290
Andrea, really?
597
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:20,910
Hmm. I think it's kind of sweet this
office hasn't killed that twinkle in
598
00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:21,910
eye just yet.
599
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:26,110
Well, maybe I know what I'm up against,
and I don't think it's time to quit.
600
00:38:30,350 --> 00:38:31,350
One juror.
601
00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:32,650
That's all I need.
602
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:34,770
But 12?
603
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:36,990
Good luck with that.
604
00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:45,810
So, what's with the surprise morning
visit?
605
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:47,130
You got a verdict?
606
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:48,510
No.
607
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:51,270
Vargas approached me with a deal.
608
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:56,250
Guilty on all fraud counts. If we drop
the sex abuse charges.
609
00:38:59,230 --> 00:39:00,230
Are you kidding me?
610
00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:02,490
What, if she gets off? With what?
611
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:06,450
Probation? A slap on the wrist?
612
00:39:06,830 --> 00:39:07,830
Yeah.
613
00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:15,250
Carisi, she abused 30 women that we know
of.
614
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:18,310
And the real number is likely higher.
615
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:24,590
She is a predator who is not going to
stop until she's on the registry list.
616
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:31,890
I need you to think about what happens
if the jury lets her
617
00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:32,890
off on all counts.
618
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,720
How's that going to make you feel? You
really think that's where we are now? 2
619
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:38,720
left.
620
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,240
Those are your odds.
621
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,800
And if we do this deal, I should be able
to get five years of probation. So if
622
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,820
Natalie reoffends... And we know that
she will. Yeah, and when she does, we'll
623
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:52,380
lock her up for the violation of
probation and the new sex crime. If she
624
00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:55,700
to go on the registry, then I will make
sure she does five years for the V .O
625
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:56,700
.P.
626
00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:59,220
It's not my favorite ending.
627
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,440
It's better than nothing.
628
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:09,950
The people and the defense have reached
an agreement.
629
00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:13,850
We have, Your Honor. If the defendant
pleads guilty to all counts of scheme to
630
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:15,790
defraud, the people will drop the sexual
abuse charges.
631
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:20,870
Ms. Henzillo, on all charges of scheme
to defraud, how do you plead?
632
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:23,550
Guilty, Your Honor.
633
00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:27,750
The court thanks the people and the
defense for its time.
634
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:29,310
We are adjourned.
635
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:45,300
For what it's worth, Captain Benson, I
think you're an amazing police officer.
636
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,100
Yeah, I am.
637
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:51,800
I'll see you soon.
638
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,740
Congratulations on not murdering her
with your bare hands. I think that
639
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:03,740
real restraint.
640
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,080
She'll be back. We'll be waiting.
641
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:10,330
Until then, I'm going to buy you a drink
to crying.
642
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:11,910
Come on.
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