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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,907 --> 00:00:14,357 Here's a crime that hasn't been solved for decades. 2 00:00:14,462 --> 00:00:17,292 It's there, it's constant, 3 00:00:17,396 --> 00:00:21,256 it's part of your fabric of life. 4 00:00:24,472 --> 00:00:28,102 Does that compel more violent acts to occur? 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Since Ken's death, 6 00:00:29,788 --> 00:00:32,138 we've had a lot of tragedies in the town 7 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:35,789 that is unusual for a rural American town. 8 00:00:36,829 --> 00:00:39,799 Skidmore is so haunted 9 00:00:39,901 --> 00:00:42,801 that it permeates their culture 10 00:00:42,904 --> 00:00:45,744 and makes violence more likely. 11 00:00:47,461 --> 00:00:49,981 Since 2001, folks here in Skidmore 12 00:00:50,084 --> 00:00:52,364 have lived with a big question on their minds: 13 00:00:52,466 --> 00:00:54,536 What happened to one of their own? 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,540 Branson went to the shed to return some jumper cables, 15 00:00:57,643 --> 00:01:00,413 and, at that point, was not seen from thereafter. 16 00:01:00,508 --> 00:01:02,578 Branson, you know, he had a lot of potential in life. 17 00:01:02,683 --> 00:01:04,653 Growin' up, I used to go over to his house. 18 00:01:04,754 --> 00:01:06,934 It's just one of those things we sit there and go, 19 00:01:07,032 --> 00:01:08,592 "Why is this happening?" 20 00:01:08,689 --> 00:01:10,659 Branson was no innocent young kid 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,970 that somebody just walked up and shot they didn't even know. 22 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:15,834 Branson was totally involved 23 00:01:15,937 --> 00:01:18,417 with fixin' and makin' methamphetamine. 24 00:01:18,526 --> 00:01:20,906 We know exactly what's happened. 25 00:01:21,011 --> 00:01:22,571 We know who was involved. 26 00:01:22,668 --> 00:01:25,218 And I can tell you right now, they were from Skidmore. 27 00:01:25,326 --> 00:01:26,906 Nobody saw anything, 28 00:01:27,017 --> 00:01:28,777 nobody overheard anything, 29 00:01:28,881 --> 00:01:30,851 but make no mistake about this, 30 00:01:30,952 --> 00:01:34,542 just like in the murder of Ken Rex McElroy, 31 00:01:34,646 --> 00:01:36,196 somebody knows. 32 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:45,860 Being a farmer is so many, many things. 33 00:02:45,958 --> 00:02:49,378 It's changing so very, very fast. 34 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:55,801 But the root part of being a farmer, for me, 35 00:02:55,899 --> 00:02:58,519 it's a great sense of satisfaction 36 00:02:58,626 --> 00:03:01,416 that you've weathered the elements, 37 00:03:01,526 --> 00:03:04,246 you've got rid of the weeds, 38 00:03:04,356 --> 00:03:06,216 you get to work outside, 39 00:03:06,324 --> 00:03:09,404 you're close to nature and God. 40 00:03:10,673 --> 00:03:14,193 That's just basic life on this earth. 41 00:03:16,161 --> 00:03:19,851 I enjoyed it growing up and I enjoyed it as a man. 42 00:03:24,618 --> 00:03:27,208 I graduated out of high school in 1971, 43 00:03:27,310 --> 00:03:29,170 and I always thought then I'd kind like to be 44 00:03:29,278 --> 00:03:32,588 in law enforcement and maybe be a highway patrolman. 45 00:03:34,593 --> 00:03:36,393 They drove nice cars, 46 00:03:36,492 --> 00:03:38,082 dressed nice 47 00:03:38,183 --> 00:03:40,393 and they was well respected. 48 00:03:41,186 --> 00:03:42,876 I loved doin' my job. 49 00:03:42,981 --> 00:03:45,191 But if somebody called-- and I didn't care 50 00:03:45,294 --> 00:03:47,054 what time of day or night it was-- 51 00:03:47,157 --> 00:03:50,127 if they wanted me to come and protect them from somebody, 52 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:51,580 that's what I was there for. 53 00:03:53,405 --> 00:03:54,675 When I became prosecutor, 54 00:03:54,786 --> 00:03:56,546 I didn't want to be prosecutor. 55 00:03:56,650 --> 00:03:59,650 I was the newest and youngest attorney in town, 56 00:03:59,756 --> 00:04:01,856 and they contacted me and said, 57 00:04:01,965 --> 00:04:03,965 "Would you serve as prosecutor?" 58 00:04:04,071 --> 00:04:06,281 So I went and got sage advice from my father, 59 00:04:06,384 --> 00:04:09,904 who had lived here a long time, and said, "What do you think?" 60 00:04:10,008 --> 00:04:11,938 And his quote was, 61 00:04:12,044 --> 00:04:13,494 "Go ahead and take it. 62 00:04:13,598 --> 00:04:16,428 "It'll be good experience for a couple years. 63 00:04:16,532 --> 00:04:19,402 "And besides, nothing ever exciting ever happens 64 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,990 in Nodaway County anyway." 65 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:27,034 I let my daughter have our home place 66 00:04:27,128 --> 00:04:29,028 to raise her two boys. 67 00:04:29,130 --> 00:04:31,340 You know, that's my gift to her. 68 00:04:31,443 --> 00:04:33,453 And my grandsons. 69 00:04:33,549 --> 00:04:35,999 That's the thing to do, you pass it on. 70 00:04:37,138 --> 00:04:38,518 As a kid, 71 00:04:38,623 --> 00:04:40,563 I knew I was gonna be a soldier. 72 00:04:41,729 --> 00:04:43,109 I knew that it more important 73 00:04:43,213 --> 00:04:44,803 to take care of the people around me, 74 00:04:44,905 --> 00:04:46,485 because that's the way I was raised. 75 00:04:47,666 --> 00:04:49,316 Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage. 76 00:04:49,427 --> 00:04:50,597 All I am is a player." 77 00:04:50,704 --> 00:04:52,334 You have to understand your role. 78 00:04:52,430 --> 00:04:54,740 And we all pick our own roles. 79 00:04:54,846 --> 00:04:56,566 Well, in some cases, you get thrown into your role, 80 00:04:56,675 --> 00:04:58,085 and you get stuck. 81 00:04:59,644 --> 00:05:01,474 Branson was a good kid. 82 00:05:01,577 --> 00:05:03,537 He was one of those people that, 83 00:05:03,648 --> 00:05:05,748 if he'd have made different decisions in life, 84 00:05:05,857 --> 00:05:08,517 he could've done a lot of great things. 85 00:05:11,034 --> 00:05:14,214 Branson was kind of a shy boy. 86 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,834 Blue eyes, blonde hair, 87 00:05:16,937 --> 00:05:19,277 and he had that baby face that made him look 88 00:05:19,388 --> 00:05:21,938 a lot younger than his years. 89 00:05:22,045 --> 00:05:24,385 His parents got divorced 90 00:05:24,496 --> 00:05:26,766 when he was a small kid. 91 00:05:26,878 --> 00:05:29,568 He liked snakes, reptiles and things. 92 00:05:29,674 --> 00:05:32,404 And he liked his artifact collection. 93 00:05:32,504 --> 00:05:35,234 I tried to spend time with him as much as I could. 94 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:38,225 As we get older, you start to drift apart. 95 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,028 And it's truly unfortunate, 'cause I do think 96 00:05:40,132 --> 00:05:42,032 he's a great kid. 97 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:43,834 It's about life choices. 98 00:05:43,929 --> 00:05:45,309 But ultimately, he made the choice 99 00:05:45,414 --> 00:05:46,664 and go do what he was gonna do, 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,760 and it came back to haunt him. 101 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:51,704 I think the family still has a hard time 102 00:05:51,799 --> 00:05:53,319 coming to terms with that. 103 00:05:53,422 --> 00:05:55,602 And it's horrible that they had to go through 104 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:57,250 what they went through. 105 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:00,357 You live with the fear that the worst has happened, 106 00:06:00,463 --> 00:06:02,883 but you pray for the best. 107 00:06:05,123 --> 00:06:07,133 The big part of gettin' through 108 00:06:07,228 --> 00:06:09,708 hard things in life is hope. 109 00:06:09,817 --> 00:06:11,987 We've heard about hope. 110 00:06:13,027 --> 00:06:14,997 Some people's hope is religion 111 00:06:15,098 --> 00:06:16,788 and faith. 112 00:06:18,447 --> 00:06:20,377 Some people's hope is love. 113 00:06:21,588 --> 00:06:23,688 If there's no hope, at the end, 114 00:06:23,797 --> 00:06:26,587 then what's there to live for? 115 00:06:26,696 --> 00:06:28,386 It was a little more than eight years ago 116 00:06:28,491 --> 00:06:30,421 when Branson Perry vanished from his hometown 117 00:06:30,528 --> 00:06:32,908 in western Nodaway County, and this weekend, authorities 118 00:06:33,013 --> 00:06:35,883 honed in on a farm in that area, hoping to uncover 119 00:06:35,981 --> 00:06:38,501 clues as to what happened to Branson. 120 00:06:43,126 --> 00:06:45,226 There's one true story 121 00:06:45,335 --> 00:06:47,405 to Branson Perry's case. 122 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:49,688 In 2001, 123 00:06:49,788 --> 00:06:51,268 Perry, who was 20, 124 00:06:51,376 --> 00:06:53,026 vanished from outside his home. 125 00:06:53,136 --> 00:06:55,136 Signs from across the area are giving the message out 126 00:06:55,242 --> 00:06:57,832 about this missing man, but still, there have been 127 00:06:57,934 --> 00:07:00,424 no signs of Branson himself. 128 00:07:00,523 --> 00:07:04,773 Branson Perry's case led us into the drug scene. 129 00:07:04,872 --> 00:07:07,292 During a time of his disappearance, 130 00:07:07,392 --> 00:07:09,532 there was an active drug culture 131 00:07:09,636 --> 00:07:12,256 in rural northwest Missouri. 132 00:07:12,362 --> 00:07:15,992 At that time, when you hear of a house blowing up, 133 00:07:16,090 --> 00:07:19,160 very frequently, it was a meth lab explosion. 134 00:07:19,266 --> 00:07:21,476 They do happen. 135 00:07:22,269 --> 00:07:23,789 Ben Espey, 136 00:07:23,891 --> 00:07:25,861 he was a pretty good sheriff to have been trusted. 137 00:07:25,962 --> 00:07:27,452 Pretty good. 138 00:07:28,724 --> 00:07:31,424 Back then, Skidmore was full of drugs, 139 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,080 and he was thinnin' 'em out in this town pretty good. 140 00:07:36,594 --> 00:07:39,364 We developed drug enforcement agencies, 141 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,179 that that's all they did. 142 00:07:41,288 --> 00:07:45,288 Their whole job was to go out and find these young kids, 143 00:07:45,395 --> 00:07:48,465 follow them, film them, and we would bust their labs 144 00:07:48,571 --> 00:07:50,061 where they was makin' it. 145 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:55,030 Several people were taken, put on a polygraph, 146 00:07:55,129 --> 00:07:57,479 and asked questions about, "Were you there?" 147 00:07:57,580 --> 00:07:59,480 "What do you know?" 148 00:07:59,582 --> 00:08:01,792 Then we started puttin' things together. 149 00:08:03,552 --> 00:08:05,662 Branson was totally involved 150 00:08:05,761 --> 00:08:07,871 with fixin' and makin' methamphetamine. 151 00:08:08,660 --> 00:08:09,770 Part of Branson's job 152 00:08:09,868 --> 00:08:11,458 was to supply the ingredients 153 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,670 to make the drugs. 154 00:08:19,464 --> 00:08:22,614 Branson somehow had gotten in some kind of trouble 155 00:08:22,709 --> 00:08:24,679 with an officer, 156 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:27,020 and, I think, what happened is that 157 00:08:27,127 --> 00:08:31,027 the kingpin of several different people that would meet 158 00:08:31,131 --> 00:08:34,101 thought that Branson would talk. 159 00:08:39,001 --> 00:08:40,831 I can tell you right now, there was nine people 160 00:08:40,934 --> 00:08:43,014 involved in that case. 161 00:08:44,144 --> 00:08:46,184 And we knew, all of us knew, 162 00:08:46,284 --> 00:08:49,704 who the nine players were that were involved in it, 163 00:08:49,805 --> 00:08:52,185 who the person was that pulled the trigger. 164 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,538 Investigators say a tip came into them 165 00:09:00,643 --> 00:09:04,583 about two weeks ago that Branson could be buried here 166 00:09:04,682 --> 00:09:06,682 in Quintmet. 167 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:11,240 The information that we received in this case 168 00:09:11,343 --> 00:09:12,723 we felt was very credible 169 00:09:12,828 --> 00:09:15,108 and that we certainly needed to act on it. 170 00:09:16,659 --> 00:09:20,109 Two of the people involved showed us on a map 171 00:09:20,214 --> 00:09:23,774 where they thought that they'd buried Branson. 172 00:09:25,634 --> 00:09:28,574 Both people were interrogated separately, 173 00:09:28,671 --> 00:09:32,051 both people showed us the same place on the map. 174 00:09:32,157 --> 00:09:34,017 They combed these empty fields 175 00:09:34,125 --> 00:09:36,225 and the area near these old grain beds. 176 00:09:36,334 --> 00:09:38,724 A canine unit from North Carolina 177 00:09:38,819 --> 00:09:40,439 even joined this search. 178 00:09:40,545 --> 00:09:41,815 We turned the dogs loose and we cover 179 00:09:41,926 --> 00:09:44,826 about a two-mile area. 180 00:09:44,929 --> 00:09:48,239 These dogs kept hittin' this one spot pretty hard. 181 00:09:48,346 --> 00:09:51,486 So they took the dogs a mile away, 182 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:53,041 and walked 'em back towards there, 183 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:55,084 and they hit the spot again. 184 00:09:55,974 --> 00:09:57,774 Nine of the ten dogs 185 00:09:57,873 --> 00:10:00,983 hit on exactly the same place. 186 00:10:01,083 --> 00:10:02,643 Clues to what happened to him 187 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:04,780 my still lie beneath this dirt. 188 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,120 We found some items that we feel has substantiated 189 00:10:07,227 --> 00:10:08,777 the information that was given to us. 190 00:10:08,884 --> 00:10:11,654 So we feel that we're on the right track. 191 00:10:11,749 --> 00:10:14,369 When they was diggin' right where the dogs hit, 192 00:10:14,475 --> 00:10:16,685 the earth underneath the ground 193 00:10:16,788 --> 00:10:18,168 was different. 194 00:10:18,963 --> 00:10:20,453 So what that told me is, 195 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:24,310 the body probably had been buried there, 196 00:10:24,416 --> 00:10:26,066 but it had been removed. 197 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:30,350 We have a case, we don't have a body. 198 00:10:32,424 --> 00:10:34,774 I suspect that's when the heat got on 199 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:36,425 and law enforcement got a little too close, 200 00:10:36,532 --> 00:10:39,852 I think they dug the body up and put it somewhere else. 201 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:45,016 Ultimately, at the end, 202 00:10:45,127 --> 00:10:48,957 our investigation led us to that house 203 00:10:49,062 --> 00:10:50,892 where Branson Perry was shot. 204 00:10:52,168 --> 00:10:54,648 Unfortunately, the house burned 205 00:10:54,757 --> 00:10:57,037 before the investigation got 206 00:10:57,139 --> 00:10:59,379 to see if there was any evidence in the home. 207 00:11:01,177 --> 00:11:03,147 No evidence was found. 208 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:08,560 The disappearance of Branson is like the bully case-- 209 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:11,078 there's a lot more out there that is known 210 00:11:11,187 --> 00:11:14,087 that people are not talking about. 211 00:11:14,190 --> 00:11:17,120 They're a small town, they're all close knit. 212 00:11:17,228 --> 00:11:18,888 They don't want to open their mouths. 213 00:11:18,988 --> 00:11:20,538 They're afraid of retaliation. 214 00:11:20,645 --> 00:11:23,365 People say that they're afraid 215 00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:25,195 to mention something 216 00:11:25,305 --> 00:11:27,715 because they're afraid for their own safety. 217 00:11:27,825 --> 00:11:31,785 And I don't understand, because how could they be 218 00:11:31,898 --> 00:11:34,618 so afraid of something that is causing 219 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,768 somebody else so much pain? 220 00:11:38,283 --> 00:11:40,603 A lot of people in town wouldn't talk 221 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,810 because, in this town, 222 00:11:42,909 --> 00:11:45,149 you'll get killed for tellin' the truth. 223 00:11:49,847 --> 00:11:51,677 It's a case that's never been closed. 224 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:54,580 Nearly 10 years ago, Branson Perry disappeared 225 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,229 from his Skidmore home. 226 00:11:56,336 --> 00:11:58,506 Law enforcement says leads are more valuable 227 00:11:58,614 --> 00:12:02,274 than ever in the case and tips continue to come in. 228 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:06,694 We are still working the disappearance 229 00:12:06,795 --> 00:12:08,375 of Branson Perry. 230 00:12:08,486 --> 00:12:10,246 That case, I have open. 231 00:12:10,350 --> 00:12:13,970 We are actively pursuing that case. 232 00:12:15,079 --> 00:12:16,839 There is an underbelly of people 233 00:12:16,943 --> 00:12:19,883 that live there that they're involved in the drug culture. 234 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:23,260 We believed him to be a homicide victim at this time, 235 00:12:23,363 --> 00:12:26,853 but his body has yet to be recovered. 236 00:12:28,057 --> 00:12:30,227 They'll never find the boy. 237 00:12:30,335 --> 00:12:32,915 To me, I think that's the closure of that one, 238 00:12:33,028 --> 00:12:35,438 because the FBI has come in and everything 239 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:38,517 and they couldn't find nothing. 240 00:12:40,483 --> 00:12:42,423 Now, his body was never found. 241 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,800 I mean, there's been no official report of his death. 242 00:12:45,903 --> 00:12:49,463 What they speculate happened is the body had been cut up, 243 00:12:49,561 --> 00:12:53,531 and then dispersed in a body of water. 244 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:56,670 The way law enforcement finds things now 245 00:12:56,776 --> 00:12:58,496 is you find big chunks, you find a whole arm, 246 00:12:58,605 --> 00:13:00,185 you find a whole body. 247 00:13:00,296 --> 00:13:01,986 Little tiny pieces of things that are chopped up 248 00:13:02,091 --> 00:13:03,821 are really difficult to find. 249 00:13:03,921 --> 00:13:06,511 So they didn't have any of the normal physical evidence 250 00:13:06,613 --> 00:13:08,553 of the murder. 251 00:13:08,649 --> 00:13:11,549 So far, all tips have led to dead ends, 252 00:13:11,652 --> 00:13:13,412 but the case remains active, 253 00:13:13,516 --> 00:13:14,826 as those involved hope 254 00:13:14,932 --> 00:13:16,312 for what they've been waiting for 255 00:13:16,416 --> 00:13:17,996 since he first went missing 256 00:13:18,107 --> 00:13:20,077 in April 2001. 257 00:13:21,421 --> 00:13:23,981 Those close to the case are pushing forward, 258 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:26,909 still determined to find answers. 259 00:13:28,324 --> 00:13:30,334 The sheriff and the chief of police 260 00:13:30,430 --> 00:13:32,600 and the highway patrol, we don't file charges, we can't. 261 00:13:32,708 --> 00:13:34,708 It's up to the prosecuting attorney 262 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:36,894 to file a charge on a case. 263 00:13:36,988 --> 00:13:38,988 And that's the reason that Branson Perry 264 00:13:39,094 --> 00:13:40,894 is still pending. 265 00:13:42,442 --> 00:13:46,412 Back then, prosecuting attorney was David Baird. 266 00:13:46,515 --> 00:13:50,855 Obviously, David decided that he didn't have enough. 267 00:13:52,452 --> 00:13:54,182 My focus has never been, 268 00:13:54,281 --> 00:13:55,701 "Gosh, I wish I had this," 269 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,460 or "Boy, wouldn't it be great to have that," 270 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,980 because that's not what reality is. 271 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:02,570 The role of prosecutor is 272 00:14:02,669 --> 00:14:04,459 that we are not to file charges until 273 00:14:04,567 --> 00:14:06,497 we are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt 274 00:14:06,604 --> 00:14:09,954 that a particular individual committed a particular crime. 275 00:14:11,126 --> 00:14:12,576 Before we file charges, 276 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,439 we want to make sure we have that evidence. 277 00:14:14,543 --> 00:14:16,683 We do not simply take someone to trial for the purpose 278 00:14:16,786 --> 00:14:19,476 of taking someone to trial to get the case over with. 279 00:14:20,376 --> 00:14:22,026 Everything is there. 280 00:14:22,137 --> 00:14:24,967 Because when I left, everything was there. 281 00:14:25,071 --> 00:14:29,111 That's the deal: the prosecutor is kind of like God. 282 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,250 He has enough to file. 283 00:14:32,354 --> 00:14:35,154 But if he decides he's not gonna file, 284 00:14:35,253 --> 00:14:37,533 then it never goes in front of a judge. 285 00:14:39,637 --> 00:14:42,357 When you're the sheriff of the county, you feel like 286 00:14:42,467 --> 00:14:45,887 whatever crimes are committed, you carry 'em with you. 287 00:14:45,988 --> 00:14:47,958 And you never get rid of 'em. 288 00:14:48,059 --> 00:14:50,679 It's a terrible thing for the family, 289 00:14:50,786 --> 00:14:54,886 when you never know for sure-- it's like, "Is he coming home?" 290 00:15:07,354 --> 00:15:11,194 The signs are fading and starting to fall in. 291 00:15:12,256 --> 00:15:13,636 It's just kind of the ruminants 292 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:16,570 and the memorial to a child 293 00:15:16,674 --> 00:15:19,024 that disappeared. 294 00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:22,435 This Skidmore cemetery backs up to the Stinnett home. 295 00:15:22,542 --> 00:15:25,272 Family members say they can't bear the thought 296 00:15:25,372 --> 00:15:26,962 of preparing for yet another funeral. 297 00:15:27,064 --> 00:15:30,144 I asked my mom, I said, "Why are we burying our children 298 00:15:30,239 --> 00:15:32,659 instead of our parents?" 299 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:35,559 Our plots are all full of our children. 300 00:15:36,452 --> 00:15:37,972 Needless to say, 301 00:15:38,075 --> 00:15:40,455 Bob and Becky had a hard time. 302 00:15:41,837 --> 00:15:44,597 And Bob eventually moved out of town. 303 00:15:48,878 --> 00:15:53,258 When he passed away, 304 00:15:53,366 --> 00:15:55,636 I think that he died of a broken heart. 305 00:16:00,269 --> 00:16:04,449 In your heart, where do you think Branson is? 306 00:16:04,549 --> 00:16:06,759 I have to keep believin' he's alive. 307 00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:09,282 I can't go the other side yet. 308 00:16:09,382 --> 00:16:12,282 I can't go that way. I can't give up hope. 309 00:16:14,594 --> 00:16:17,424 She prayed to God every day for answers. 310 00:16:18,805 --> 00:16:21,695 Like any mother would want to do for their own child. 311 00:16:23,327 --> 00:16:25,017 She went through hell 312 00:16:25,122 --> 00:16:26,742 trying to find answers. 313 00:16:27,848 --> 00:16:29,198 When I got to the point 314 00:16:29,298 --> 00:16:30,958 that the charges did not get filed, 315 00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:32,679 but we knew who did it, 316 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:35,554 Branson Perry's mother was dying of cancer. 317 00:16:36,616 --> 00:16:38,236 But before Branson's mother 318 00:16:38,342 --> 00:16:39,692 went to her grave, 319 00:16:39,791 --> 00:16:41,171 I had a meeting and told her 320 00:16:41,276 --> 00:16:44,176 exactly what I knew and what we feel 321 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,039 99.9% sure that happened to her son. 322 00:16:50,561 --> 00:16:53,701 When Branson's mother died, 323 00:16:53,805 --> 00:16:56,045 her obituary said 324 00:16:56,153 --> 00:16:57,913 that she was preceded in death 325 00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:00,017 by her son Branson. 326 00:17:01,192 --> 00:17:04,092 Obviously, she accepted 327 00:17:04,195 --> 00:17:06,715 the fact that he was gone. 328 00:17:10,408 --> 00:17:14,268 The question that haunts Skidmore to this day is, 329 00:17:14,378 --> 00:17:17,108 "Why all this violence?" 330 00:17:17,208 --> 00:17:20,178 And "Why isn't anybody talking?" 331 00:17:21,488 --> 00:17:23,078 Wendy Gillenwater, 332 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:25,350 who was brutally murdered, 333 00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:29,188 Branson Perry disappeared and is presumed dead, 334 00:17:29,289 --> 00:17:32,709 and the murder of Ken Rex McElroy... 335 00:17:34,363 --> 00:17:37,133 That's a bad legacy for a town. 336 00:17:37,228 --> 00:17:41,468 And then you have probably the most horrific case 337 00:17:41,577 --> 00:17:43,747 in the town's history, 338 00:17:43,855 --> 00:17:46,265 Bobbie Jo Stinnett. 339 00:17:46,375 --> 00:17:49,205 And it is literally repugnant 340 00:17:49,309 --> 00:17:52,999 to think of what happened to that woman. 341 00:17:53,106 --> 00:17:55,376 And the person that did this. 342 00:17:57,386 --> 00:18:00,526 This is something a normal person can't do. 343 00:18:07,914 --> 00:18:10,544 In 2004, 344 00:18:10,641 --> 00:18:13,301 a very, very horrible thing happened. 345 00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:18,100 Part of a line of amazingly horrible events 346 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,370 that have happened in this town, 347 00:18:19,477 --> 00:18:21,337 particularly after 348 00:18:21,445 --> 00:18:24,925 the killing of Ken Rex McElroy, 349 00:18:25,034 --> 00:18:26,624 Wendy, 350 00:18:26,726 --> 00:18:28,896 Branson. 351 00:18:29,004 --> 00:18:32,944 We had a couple other incidents where there was 352 00:18:33,042 --> 00:18:35,802 supposed suicides-- 353 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:38,907 a young boy was found hung... 354 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,810 another was swimming underneath the bridge, 355 00:18:43,915 --> 00:18:45,365 and he drowned. 356 00:18:47,954 --> 00:18:51,304 And I came to the end of my rope, as it were. 357 00:18:52,303 --> 00:18:55,513 And so, I found Christ. 358 00:18:55,617 --> 00:18:57,097 I had a prayer partner. 359 00:18:57,205 --> 00:19:00,135 And he lived two blocks away from me. 360 00:19:00,242 --> 00:19:04,832 And we would go out every morning that we could, 361 00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:07,006 and we'd walk through the town and we'd pray. 362 00:19:07,111 --> 00:19:10,011 We'd pray over the streets, we'd pray over the houses. 363 00:19:10,114 --> 00:19:13,464 We'd pray for the people who lived in the houses. 364 00:19:14,739 --> 00:19:17,399 And one day, as I was praying, 365 00:19:17,501 --> 00:19:19,331 I heard an audible voice, 366 00:19:19,434 --> 00:19:21,024 and it was not the voice of God. 367 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:25,195 And the voice said, "I am stealing the children 368 00:19:25,302 --> 00:19:27,612 from under your noses." 369 00:19:31,273 --> 00:19:33,173 And I looked up, 370 00:19:33,275 --> 00:19:35,205 and from under my nose, 371 00:19:35,312 --> 00:19:38,352 was Branson Perry's house, 372 00:19:38,453 --> 00:19:41,593 and then across the street 373 00:19:41,697 --> 00:19:43,977 was Bobbie Jo Stinnett's house. 374 00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:48,360 Bobbie Jo Stinnett 375 00:19:48,463 --> 00:19:50,783 was brutally murdered 376 00:19:50,879 --> 00:19:52,359 in her own home 377 00:19:52,467 --> 00:19:54,847 right there in Skidmore. 378 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:01,030 I remember being in college 379 00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:02,960 in 2004, 380 00:20:03,063 --> 00:20:05,513 sitting in class, 381 00:20:05,618 --> 00:20:07,718 I got a text message 382 00:20:07,827 --> 00:20:10,757 that there had been another murder in Skidmore. 383 00:20:12,038 --> 00:20:14,658 Bobbie Jo, she was a really nice girl. 384 00:20:14,765 --> 00:20:17,455 There was not a mean bone in her body. 385 00:20:17,561 --> 00:20:20,291 She had been in my little sister's class 386 00:20:20,391 --> 00:20:23,741 in junior high, and that was crazy. 387 00:20:23,843 --> 00:20:25,223 I remember the name comes across, I'm like, 388 00:20:25,327 --> 00:20:27,017 "Holy crap, I know her." 389 00:20:27,122 --> 00:20:29,992 You know, I can't believe that happened, 390 00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:31,990 yet it didn't surprise me. 391 00:20:46,831 --> 00:20:49,081 I was in the sheriff's department 392 00:20:49,178 --> 00:20:52,248 when the 911 call came in. 393 00:20:53,666 --> 00:20:55,936 I could hear the conversation 394 00:20:56,047 --> 00:20:58,077 from the person on the other end of the line, 395 00:20:58,187 --> 00:21:00,807 which was Bobbi Jo Stinnett's mother. 396 00:21:02,813 --> 00:21:05,303 She said, "I need somebody here right now. 397 00:21:05,402 --> 00:21:08,542 My daughter's stomach has exploded." 398 00:21:19,933 --> 00:21:23,013 It was a sight that probably a county sheriff 399 00:21:23,109 --> 00:21:26,939 in rural northwest Missouri was not used to seeing. 400 00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:32,359 When I got there, I walked through the house, 401 00:21:32,463 --> 00:21:34,293 and get to the room 402 00:21:34,396 --> 00:21:36,606 where Bobbie Joe Stinnett is. 403 00:21:36,709 --> 00:21:39,609 I could tell, as I walked through the door, 404 00:21:39,712 --> 00:21:42,402 that there was probably no life there. 405 00:21:44,268 --> 00:21:47,308 Bobbie Jo was laying flat on her back, face up. 406 00:21:48,410 --> 00:21:49,890 Becky, the mother, 407 00:21:49,998 --> 00:21:51,858 looked at me and says, "I don't know-- 408 00:21:51,965 --> 00:21:54,415 "I've never done CPR. I don't know that I'm doing it right. 409 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,870 Can you help?" I continued CPR 410 00:21:56,970 --> 00:22:01,010 until the ambulance personnel walked in with a cot. 411 00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:04,322 From the bedroom to the kitchen, 412 00:22:04,426 --> 00:22:07,456 it was a horrific crime scene. 413 00:22:12,572 --> 00:22:14,302 There was so much blood, 414 00:22:14,402 --> 00:22:16,652 I mean, it just-- It made me sick. 415 00:22:16,749 --> 00:22:19,299 And the reason I knew what all happened there 416 00:22:19,407 --> 00:22:23,957 was because my chiropractor was the coroner at the time. 417 00:22:25,896 --> 00:22:28,166 I was actually here in the news room. 418 00:22:28,277 --> 00:22:32,247 We had gotten calls from people around the area, 419 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:33,871 saying, "Hey, looks like 420 00:22:33,973 --> 00:22:36,633 there's something big goin' on in Skidmore." 421 00:22:36,734 --> 00:22:40,054 And of course, we thought, "What, again?" 422 00:22:43,189 --> 00:22:45,569 Okay, here's modulation mic check for KXCV Radio. 423 00:22:45,674 --> 00:22:48,474 KXCV Maryville, KRNW Chillicothe. 424 00:22:48,574 --> 00:22:50,374 Mic check modulation. 425 00:22:50,472 --> 00:22:52,372 And, uh, we don't have anything yet. 426 00:22:57,583 --> 00:22:59,033 There's been several crimes 427 00:22:59,136 --> 00:23:02,096 in Skidmore over the past several years. 428 00:23:05,314 --> 00:23:07,014 But the Bobbie Jo Stinnett case 429 00:23:07,109 --> 00:23:09,969 was probably the biggest case that I had in my career. 430 00:23:11,148 --> 00:23:12,358 Okay, we're gonna be real brief. 431 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:13,880 Is everybody ready? 432 00:23:15,601 --> 00:23:17,671 This conference won't last very long. 433 00:23:19,018 --> 00:23:21,608 There was a lot of manpower put into this. 434 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:23,400 There was a lot of hard investigative work. 435 00:23:23,505 --> 00:23:25,085 Right now, there's investigators 436 00:23:25,196 --> 00:23:26,336 doing questioning. 437 00:23:28,096 --> 00:23:30,996 There's two people being questioned at this time. 438 00:23:31,099 --> 00:23:34,379 And, uh, I think that's where we'll leave it. 439 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:39,420 They're still in the process of doing 440 00:23:39,521 --> 00:23:41,111 an investigation on that. 441 00:23:45,182 --> 00:23:47,532 We're in the process of doing that right now. 442 00:23:48,875 --> 00:23:51,395 As they loaded Bobbie Jo onto the stretcher 443 00:23:51,499 --> 00:23:53,669 and took her out to the ambulance, 444 00:23:53,777 --> 00:23:55,607 I could see that her stomach was cut 445 00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:57,160 from side to side. 446 00:23:58,575 --> 00:23:59,885 I then went back into the house 447 00:23:59,990 --> 00:24:02,060 and asked Becky, the mother, I said, 448 00:24:02,164 --> 00:24:03,894 "Is Bobbie Jo pregnant?" 449 00:24:07,135 --> 00:24:12,515 "Yes, she was within a month of delivering a new child." 450 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:14,802 So we had a baby that was cut 451 00:24:14,901 --> 00:24:16,561 out of her mother, 452 00:24:16,662 --> 00:24:18,842 and the baby's gone. 453 00:24:20,044 --> 00:24:21,464 When police entered this house 454 00:24:21,563 --> 00:24:23,293 in tiny Skidmore, Missouri, 455 00:24:23,392 --> 00:24:26,152 they discovered the slain body of pregnant mother-to-be, 456 00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:27,667 Bobbie Jo Stinnett. 457 00:24:27,776 --> 00:24:29,846 Her murder was made all the more horrifying 458 00:24:29,951 --> 00:24:32,331 by what police did not find: 459 00:24:32,436 --> 00:24:34,986 a pregnant woman attacked in her home, 460 00:24:35,094 --> 00:24:39,654 the baby she was carrying, cut from her womb and gone. 461 00:24:46,381 --> 00:24:49,211 I remember it was on Friday when they found Bobbie Jo, 462 00:24:49,315 --> 00:24:52,275 and I cried a lot that night 463 00:24:52,387 --> 00:24:54,557 and I prayed a lot that night. 464 00:24:56,943 --> 00:24:59,193 Makes me shiver yet today. 465 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:01,740 The cruelest, meanest 466 00:25:01,845 --> 00:25:04,875 that I had ever seen in my life. 467 00:25:04,986 --> 00:25:08,886 And I was raised rough in the country, and everything, 468 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:11,540 and never seen anything like that. 469 00:25:11,648 --> 00:25:13,548 It as just horrible. 470 00:25:16,135 --> 00:25:18,895 Bobbie Jo was the niece of my daughters. 471 00:25:20,311 --> 00:25:23,211 And Bobbie Jo and Zeb got married 472 00:25:23,314 --> 00:25:25,944 and was doin' real good. 473 00:25:26,041 --> 00:25:28,041 They were raising dogs together. 474 00:25:28,147 --> 00:25:33,257 And I never knew of Bobbie Jo and Zeb ever had any problems. 475 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,639 The mother, Becky, worked at the filling station, 476 00:25:35,741 --> 00:25:38,331 and Bobbie Jo would come down and pick her mother up 477 00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:39,713 and take her down home. 478 00:25:39,814 --> 00:25:41,374 Well, that very day, 479 00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:43,680 Becky knew that there must have been something wrong, 480 00:25:43,783 --> 00:25:45,893 because Bobbie Jo hadn't got down there. 481 00:25:45,992 --> 00:25:50,762 And so, that's when her mother went up there, 482 00:25:50,859 --> 00:25:52,859 and that's when the mother had found out 483 00:25:52,965 --> 00:25:55,345 they'd cut Bobbie Jo's baby out of her. 484 00:25:58,522 --> 00:26:01,282 She was a good friend of my daughters. 485 00:26:01,387 --> 00:26:03,797 And she used to come out here, ride her pony out here, 486 00:26:03,907 --> 00:26:07,357 and sit right here at the table and eat with the family. 487 00:26:08,843 --> 00:26:10,673 I knew Bobbie Jo real well. 488 00:26:10,776 --> 00:26:12,566 I knew her folks. 489 00:26:13,641 --> 00:26:15,711 Young cowgirl. 490 00:26:18,922 --> 00:26:20,822 She wouldn't hurt a fly. 491 00:26:22,477 --> 00:26:25,137 It's a real, real, real tragedy 492 00:26:25,238 --> 00:26:27,028 of what happened to her. 493 00:26:31,451 --> 00:26:34,181 The sheriff, when he started the investigation, 494 00:26:34,282 --> 00:26:37,152 right away, he activated the major case squad, 495 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:39,740 which brought in other law enforcement agencies, 496 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,809 such as the highway patrol, the FBI, 497 00:26:42,911 --> 00:26:44,601 different sheriffs, police departments 498 00:26:44,706 --> 00:26:46,736 in northwest Missouri. 499 00:26:46,846 --> 00:26:49,876 Essentially, half the town was blocked off 500 00:26:49,987 --> 00:26:52,017 because of the crime scene. 501 00:26:52,127 --> 00:26:53,777 They wanted every little 502 00:26:53,888 --> 00:26:56,098 tiny piece of trace evidence 503 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,690 they could find that would nail down 504 00:26:58,789 --> 00:27:01,269 who came into this home. 505 00:27:03,967 --> 00:27:05,377 The first thing they did 506 00:27:05,485 --> 00:27:08,105 was take blood samples of everything. 507 00:27:09,938 --> 00:27:12,178 There was a trail of blood 508 00:27:12,285 --> 00:27:16,145 where her murderer had dragged her body 509 00:27:16,255 --> 00:27:18,255 down a hallway; 510 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,330 a bloody knife laying on the counter 511 00:27:21,432 --> 00:27:25,302 that was used to cut the baby out of Bobbie Jo's womb. 512 00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:31,166 Forensic scientists took up a piece of floor 513 00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:34,170 where she breathed her last breath 514 00:27:34,273 --> 00:27:36,723 to see what evidence they could find. 515 00:27:38,553 --> 00:27:41,043 They don't want to disturb the body. 516 00:27:41,142 --> 00:27:44,352 They want the body to remain as it was 517 00:27:44,455 --> 00:27:46,035 when she died. 518 00:27:46,147 --> 00:27:48,837 So they just cut the whole floor up-- 519 00:27:48,943 --> 00:27:51,193 they pry it up, they lift it up 520 00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:53,260 and they take it out of the house. 521 00:27:55,294 --> 00:27:59,194 At the time, I was a detective here in Maryville. 522 00:27:59,298 --> 00:28:03,338 And shortly after Sheriff Espey and his deputies arrived there, 523 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,170 I got a phone call. 524 00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:08,069 The body was being taken to St. Francis Hospital. 525 00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:09,929 I was told to go down there 526 00:28:10,033 --> 00:28:12,243 and document the body-- photograph the body 527 00:28:12,345 --> 00:28:13,685 and look for evidence. 528 00:28:16,142 --> 00:28:18,732 There were ligature marks around her neck, 529 00:28:18,835 --> 00:28:21,315 where I could see a pattern-- 530 00:28:21,423 --> 00:28:24,673 she was strangled at least twice, if not, three times. 531 00:28:24,772 --> 00:28:26,642 I could see the distinct bruising 532 00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:29,329 and the marks of the rope around her neck. 533 00:28:29,431 --> 00:28:30,851 She was barefoot. 534 00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:32,500 I noticed that on the top of her feet 535 00:28:32,607 --> 00:28:34,017 there was no blood. 536 00:28:34,126 --> 00:28:35,916 Her feet had been flat in blood 537 00:28:36,024 --> 00:28:38,344 and that blood had come up between her toes, 538 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,930 which told me that once she had been cut, 539 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:45,100 and cut severely, that she was not dead yet for a little bit, 540 00:28:45,206 --> 00:28:47,586 that she was able to get up and stand. 541 00:28:47,691 --> 00:28:49,491 I believe that her attacker 542 00:28:49,589 --> 00:28:52,389 started cutting on her, blood spilled out 543 00:28:52,489 --> 00:28:55,249 and that Bobbie Jo continued to fight for her life, 544 00:28:55,354 --> 00:28:56,874 or her baby's life. 545 00:29:18,377 --> 00:29:22,037 People live in an area like Skidmore, Missouri 546 00:29:22,139 --> 00:29:24,869 because, basically, they want a quiet life. 547 00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:29,700 Then when Bobbie Jo Stinnett died, 548 00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:34,152 all their old misbehaviors were brought out. 549 00:29:34,255 --> 00:29:37,905 Everybody was focused on what was wrong with Skidmore. 550 00:29:38,017 --> 00:29:40,227 Bobbie Jo Stinnett was found strangled, 551 00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:43,820 lying in a pool of blood inside this Skidmore home. 552 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,470 Keep in mind, Skidmore was already no stranger 553 00:29:46,577 --> 00:29:49,927 to the media, and this case put them on the map again. 554 00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:51,509 All these reporters 555 00:29:51,617 --> 00:29:53,927 and all these journalists were comin' into town, 556 00:29:54,033 --> 00:29:56,453 and they were dredging all this stuff up again. 557 00:29:56,553 --> 00:29:59,693 This was something so unusual that it captured 558 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,728 the attention of media outlets all over the world. 559 00:30:02,835 --> 00:30:04,695 A baby born of violence, 560 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,463 ripped from the womb and her mother... 561 00:30:06,563 --> 00:30:08,913 Fetal abduction in the nation's heartland. 562 00:30:09,014 --> 00:30:12,024 The vicious crime has shaken this tight knit small town. 563 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,500 I just can't understand why anybody 564 00:30:14,605 --> 00:30:16,845 would do a trick like that. 565 00:30:26,134 --> 00:30:28,724 File, and you might have a lot more information at that point. 566 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,207 - Sheriff-- - What time you talkin', like later on tonight? 567 00:30:31,312 --> 00:30:33,112 Yes, later on tonight, I would anticipate. 568 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:35,320 I don't have a specific time, okay? 569 00:30:44,221 --> 00:30:47,191 Nobody here, nobody here could ever perceive 570 00:30:47,293 --> 00:30:49,233 this ever taking place, 571 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:52,510 to have a fetus taken out of someone's womb. 572 00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:55,609 It's unconceivable. 573 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,095 And I'm a grandparent, 574 00:30:58,201 --> 00:31:00,271 and I had a grandson born 575 00:31:00,375 --> 00:31:03,235 six days prior to this incident. 576 00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:08,247 And then for me to think that now I'm workin' a case here 577 00:31:08,349 --> 00:31:10,489 where someone's taken a baby out of a mother... 578 00:31:12,353 --> 00:31:15,153 The grandparents, the family, 579 00:31:15,252 --> 00:31:17,632 nobody was gonna be able to see this baby. 580 00:31:17,737 --> 00:31:20,117 I know you guys, you really want a lot of stuff. 581 00:31:20,223 --> 00:31:22,333 We're in the middle of this investigation. 582 00:31:22,432 --> 00:31:24,022 We're not in the back of it. 583 00:31:24,123 --> 00:31:25,643 What I can't do and we can't afford to do 584 00:31:25,745 --> 00:31:28,675 is let anything slip from here that can jeopardize 585 00:31:28,783 --> 00:31:30,513 the murder case. And you're gonna want-- 586 00:31:30,612 --> 00:31:32,752 If it's your grandkid, you're gonna want this person 587 00:31:32,856 --> 00:31:33,996 behind bars as well as we are. 588 00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:39,656 We're really not gonna comment on that right now. 589 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,379 If you stick around for a little while, 590 00:31:41,485 --> 00:31:42,655 we may have some more information about the case 591 00:31:42,762 --> 00:31:44,252 in general. Thank you very much. 592 00:31:44,350 --> 00:31:47,660 - Get it right here. 593 00:31:54,429 --> 00:31:58,159 Law enforcement was under enormous pressure 594 00:31:58,261 --> 00:32:00,231 to solve this case, 595 00:32:00,332 --> 00:32:02,132 and do it damn quick. 596 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:04,650 Officials ask if you know anything, 597 00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:06,230 to come forward. 598 00:32:06,338 --> 00:32:07,788 Don't assume that we already know, 599 00:32:07,891 --> 00:32:09,171 'cause we may not. 600 00:32:09,272 --> 00:32:11,312 And that may be the one piece 601 00:32:11,412 --> 00:32:12,972 of the puzzle that we might need. 602 00:32:14,553 --> 00:32:16,563 It was December the 16th, 603 00:32:16,658 --> 00:32:19,078 around 3:30... 604 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,459 my son and I rolled up in the yard, 605 00:32:23,562 --> 00:32:25,462 and here come this red car, 606 00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:27,504 just abarrelin'. 607 00:32:31,501 --> 00:32:35,441 I seen a woman in the back seat doing something. 608 00:32:35,539 --> 00:32:38,779 And the little one that was doing the driving, 609 00:32:38,887 --> 00:32:41,027 her hands were small. 610 00:32:41,131 --> 00:32:43,821 So we run around the truck to see, 611 00:32:43,927 --> 00:32:45,957 and the vehicle went south. 612 00:32:48,518 --> 00:32:51,278 And I thought, "Should I call the sheriff to see? 613 00:32:51,383 --> 00:32:53,973 Maybe it would give him a lead." 614 00:32:54,075 --> 00:32:56,105 I did go ahead and call. 615 00:32:56,215 --> 00:32:59,485 I called the sheriff to tell the FBI 616 00:32:59,598 --> 00:33:01,118 what I seen. 617 00:33:01,220 --> 00:33:03,500 Early on, investigators got a lead-- 618 00:33:03,602 --> 00:33:06,992 an anonymous phone call about a red car. 619 00:33:07,088 --> 00:33:10,088 The day that Bobbie Jo Stinnett was killed 620 00:33:10,195 --> 00:33:15,225 was different from Ken Rex and Branson Perry's case. 621 00:33:16,787 --> 00:33:18,197 I don't know if it was because 622 00:33:18,306 --> 00:33:20,826 there was an infant involved, 623 00:33:20,929 --> 00:33:26,349 but Nodaway County asked for help that day. 624 00:33:26,452 --> 00:33:30,422 Townspeople responded that day. 625 00:33:30,525 --> 00:33:34,115 Tonight, the authorities are still looking for 626 00:33:34,219 --> 00:33:36,949 the red car-- they believe the red car was used 627 00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:38,599 to take the baby away. 628 00:33:38,706 --> 00:33:41,016 The FBI, highway patrol, 629 00:33:41,122 --> 00:33:42,812 the sheriff, had nothing but red 630 00:33:42,917 --> 00:33:45,637 as the color of the getaway car. That was it. 631 00:33:45,747 --> 00:33:48,437 Remember, they didn't know if they would find a baby, 632 00:33:48,543 --> 00:33:50,893 if the baby would be alive or healthy, 633 00:33:50,994 --> 00:33:53,414 or how to even tell if it's the right baby. 634 00:33:53,514 --> 00:33:56,664 Because this baby had not gone full term, 635 00:33:56,758 --> 00:34:00,378 but he's probably alive out there somewhere. 636 00:34:00,486 --> 00:34:04,586 And so the time factor is even more critical. 637 00:34:05,767 --> 00:34:08,247 The mother was eight months pregnant, 638 00:34:08,356 --> 00:34:11,566 so we're lookin' at a one-month premature baby. 639 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:13,740 From what it looks like to us is, there was, 640 00:34:13,844 --> 00:34:15,504 the evidence would show that the baby 641 00:34:15,605 --> 00:34:18,565 was probably wrapped up and taken out of the home. 642 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,169 The sheriff immediately called for an amber alert, 643 00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:26,099 for the child that was missing. 644 00:34:26,202 --> 00:34:28,552 And apparently, the state refused. 645 00:34:28,652 --> 00:34:30,482 We didn't have enough criteria to meet it, 646 00:34:30,585 --> 00:34:32,925 which would be like hair color, eye color, 647 00:34:33,036 --> 00:34:35,106 skin complexion, size, weight. 648 00:34:36,281 --> 00:34:37,391 The amber alert is a system 649 00:34:37,489 --> 00:34:39,219 here in the United States. 650 00:34:39,318 --> 00:34:40,598 Law enforcement started this up, 651 00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:42,289 and it's meant to help find a child 652 00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:44,050 that's in distress 653 00:34:44,151 --> 00:34:45,431 or somebody's kidnapped. 654 00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:48,910 There's a description of the child, 655 00:34:49,017 --> 00:34:52,057 description of the vehicle you're looking for. 656 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,269 It goes out on all the law enforcement networks, 657 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:58,480 on all the television, all the radio, 658 00:34:58,579 --> 00:35:01,099 right now on all the cell phones. 659 00:35:04,412 --> 00:35:06,972 But there was a problem. 660 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:09,280 He could not describe the baby. 661 00:35:09,383 --> 00:35:10,873 The baby hadn't been born. 662 00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:12,490 Sheriff Ben Espey had 663 00:35:12,593 --> 00:35:14,843 a brutal crime to solve, and fast. 664 00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:18,390 But how could he request an amber alert for a child 665 00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:21,325 that had technically never been born? 666 00:35:22,603 --> 00:35:24,783 No one could describe the baby, 667 00:35:24,881 --> 00:35:27,681 but the person who just abducted the baby. 668 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,940 Over here is where Bobbie Jo lived. 669 00:35:49,354 --> 00:35:51,844 And they've been in the process of tearin' this down 670 00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:53,462 ever since the murder, but... 671 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,190 uh, it's a real slow process. 672 00:35:59,985 --> 00:36:01,635 Sad, sad deal. 673 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:07,654 My stepdaughter lived here 674 00:36:07,751 --> 00:36:10,511 with her two boys for a couple years... 675 00:36:11,617 --> 00:36:13,897 prior to what happened to Bobbie Jo. 676 00:36:13,999 --> 00:36:16,449 I used to come up here all the time. 677 00:36:18,728 --> 00:36:21,318 Living room and a spare bedroom. 678 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:23,800 Bathroom right there. 679 00:36:25,286 --> 00:36:26,936 Little kitchen area. 680 00:36:28,565 --> 00:36:31,705 I don't know the gruesome details. 681 00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:34,400 I wouldn't talk about 'em if I did. 682 00:36:34,502 --> 00:36:38,132 But you take a young woman 683 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:39,440 gettin' ready to have a baby, 684 00:36:39,542 --> 00:36:41,442 and somebody murdered her? 685 00:36:41,544 --> 00:36:44,374 I mean, it can't get any worse than that. 686 00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:47,545 Can't get any worse than that. 687 00:36:50,449 --> 00:36:51,859 Probably the saddest thing 688 00:36:51,968 --> 00:36:53,898 that's ever happened in this town. 689 00:37:01,253 --> 00:37:03,393 We have long heard the phrase that 690 00:37:03,497 --> 00:37:08,257 "The sins of the father are visited upon their sons." 691 00:37:09,468 --> 00:37:11,988 One generation stood in the street 692 00:37:12,091 --> 00:37:15,201 and shot down Ken McElroy 693 00:37:15,302 --> 00:37:17,032 and ended his life. 694 00:37:19,513 --> 00:37:22,553 With a small town like Skidmore, 695 00:37:22,654 --> 00:37:25,384 these violent crimes leave a mark 696 00:37:25,484 --> 00:37:27,524 on the whole town. 697 00:37:27,624 --> 00:37:29,454 It's almost biblical, 698 00:37:29,557 --> 00:37:33,317 that one act of violence 699 00:37:33,423 --> 00:37:35,493 seemed to have bred 700 00:37:35,598 --> 00:37:39,118 three acts of violence in the next generation. 701 00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:44,120 Bobby Jo Stinnett would never see her child born. 702 00:37:44,227 --> 00:37:46,017 The 23-year-old pregnant woman 703 00:37:46,125 --> 00:37:47,985 was strangled in their small town home-- 704 00:37:48,093 --> 00:37:51,443 her womb cut and her unborn baby kidnapped. 705 00:37:51,545 --> 00:37:53,305 The medics told us at the hospital that 706 00:37:53,409 --> 00:37:55,169 this baby is probably still alive 707 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:56,933 and is gonna need medical attention. 708 00:37:59,587 --> 00:38:02,727 The sheriff's first amber alert request was denied, 709 00:38:02,832 --> 00:38:04,942 because this child had not been born yet. 710 00:38:05,041 --> 00:38:07,391 Well, they wouldn't give me the amber alert. 711 00:38:07,492 --> 00:38:10,252 The said you gotta have the baby's height, weight, 712 00:38:10,357 --> 00:38:12,427 eye color, hair color. 713 00:38:12,531 --> 00:38:14,021 Well, we didn't have any of that. 714 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:15,709 The only thing I really had was 715 00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:18,610 the fact that we had a baby that was a month premature 716 00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:20,300 that had been taken. 717 00:38:20,401 --> 00:38:22,711 And to me, that should be enough. 718 00:38:22,817 --> 00:38:24,407 Espey would not be deterred. 719 00:38:24,509 --> 00:38:26,509 He made some calls, pushed his case, 720 00:38:26,614 --> 00:38:28,314 He even lobbied his congressman 721 00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:30,409 to make sure the word got out. 722 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:32,693 So here's what we got. 723 00:38:32,793 --> 00:38:34,103 We've got a baby that was cut out, 724 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:37,038 we've got a murder-- the mother's dead-- 725 00:38:37,142 --> 00:38:38,732 and I need the amber alert. 726 00:38:38,833 --> 00:38:41,153 Within two hours, the highway patrol 727 00:38:41,249 --> 00:38:42,979 called me and said, "All right, Sheriff, you got what you wanted." 728 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,669 Well, I didn't like that attitude. 729 00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:46,950 But I got it. I got what I wanted. 730 00:38:47,048 --> 00:38:48,808 After a day long nightmare, 731 00:38:48,912 --> 00:38:50,502 police sounded an amber alert, 732 00:38:50,604 --> 00:38:52,164 triggering a dragnet in Missouri 733 00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:53,610 and nearby states. 734 00:38:53,710 --> 00:38:54,990 Keep an eye out for 735 00:38:55,091 --> 00:38:56,511 an infant with possible health issues, 736 00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:58,230 a newly cut umbilical cord 737 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,196 and bloody clothing. 738 00:39:00,303 --> 00:39:03,513 It was all over national television. 739 00:39:03,617 --> 00:39:06,617 Where is this baby? 740 00:39:11,279 --> 00:39:13,209 We're back here live. Now, they are just going to go 741 00:39:13,316 --> 00:39:14,866 with a press conference-- they're going to give an update. 742 00:39:14,973 --> 00:39:16,663 Here is the latest from the investigators... 743 00:39:16,768 --> 00:39:18,938 - ...in this case. - ...involved in the case. 744 00:39:20,116 --> 00:39:21,906 When this amber alert come out, 745 00:39:22,014 --> 00:39:23,744 we took an anonymous tip that come 746 00:39:23,844 --> 00:39:25,744 from several states away from here... 747 00:39:27,019 --> 00:39:29,059 Meanwhile, they're taking 748 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,709 lots of calls from people 749 00:39:31,817 --> 00:39:34,537 who are noticing odd things. 750 00:39:34,648 --> 00:39:38,068 But the real trigger to find out what was going on 751 00:39:38,168 --> 00:39:40,548 was in Bobbie Jo's computer. 752 00:39:43,691 --> 00:39:46,071 A fellow dog breeder from North Carolina 753 00:39:46,176 --> 00:39:48,796 led FBI agents to Stinnett's website. 754 00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:51,083 Investigators searched her computer, 755 00:39:51,181 --> 00:39:52,631 discovering a vital clue. 756 00:39:52,735 --> 00:39:54,905 Bobbie Jo ran a website 757 00:39:55,013 --> 00:39:57,263 where she sold rat terrier dogs. 758 00:39:58,913 --> 00:40:00,233 They took that computer in, 759 00:40:00,328 --> 00:40:02,048 they started analyzing it, 760 00:40:02,158 --> 00:40:04,438 and they found this chat group 761 00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:07,160 of rat terrier breeders... 762 00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:09,859 At the time, 763 00:40:09,959 --> 00:40:12,169 we didn't think it was important. 764 00:40:12,271 --> 00:40:14,031 Anybody getting on the website 765 00:40:14,135 --> 00:40:15,645 could look at that and see that she was pregnant. 766 00:40:17,242 --> 00:40:19,042 She documented her pregnancy on that. 767 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:21,040 She showed different stages of that, 768 00:40:21,142 --> 00:40:23,182 and she talked about how excited she was-- 769 00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:25,632 this was gonna be her and Zeb's first child. 770 00:40:26,941 --> 00:40:28,811 Her address is on the website, 771 00:40:28,909 --> 00:40:31,119 so anybody could get on there and find out where she lived. 772 00:40:31,221 --> 00:40:33,261 The day before the murder, 773 00:40:33,361 --> 00:40:35,261 a woman gets online, 774 00:40:35,363 --> 00:40:36,683 and introduces herself 775 00:40:36,779 --> 00:40:38,469 as Darlene Fischer. 776 00:40:38,574 --> 00:40:41,344 She says she wants to buy a dog 777 00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:42,509 from Bobbie Jo Stinnett 778 00:40:42,612 --> 00:40:44,512 in Skidmore, Missouri. 779 00:40:44,614 --> 00:40:47,004 Bobbie Jo was 780 00:40:47,099 --> 00:40:48,449 making arrangements 781 00:40:48,549 --> 00:40:50,339 to meet with someone, 782 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:51,658 and it was supposed to happen 783 00:40:51,759 --> 00:40:53,759 that day. 784 00:40:53,865 --> 00:40:55,625 So they wanted to find 785 00:40:55,729 --> 00:40:57,249 this person-- find out if that person 786 00:40:57,351 --> 00:40:58,531 had come to the house 787 00:40:58,628 --> 00:41:00,698 to look at the puppies. 788 00:41:03,253 --> 00:41:05,223 She was Darlene Fischer 789 00:41:05,324 --> 00:41:07,534 from Fairfax, Missouri. 790 00:41:10,226 --> 00:41:12,086 They flooded Fairfax 791 00:41:12,193 --> 00:41:15,063 with tons of cops, trying to find Darlene Fischer. 792 00:41:19,269 --> 00:41:21,129 But it was all a ruse. 793 00:41:22,341 --> 00:41:25,721 The FBI then, very quickly, was able to track 794 00:41:25,828 --> 00:41:28,108 this Darlene Fischer's domain name 795 00:41:28,209 --> 00:41:29,559 back to Melvern, Kansas. 796 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,179 So that's when I sent 797 00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:35,634 Randy Strong and Don Fritz 798 00:41:35,734 --> 00:41:38,154 to Melvern, Kansas 799 00:41:38,254 --> 00:41:39,324 to try to figure out 800 00:41:39,427 --> 00:41:42,087 who Darlene Fischer was. 801 00:41:43,328 --> 00:41:44,638 And at the same time, 802 00:41:44,743 --> 00:41:46,503 a woman from Melvern 803 00:41:46,607 --> 00:41:48,677 was calling in and saying, 804 00:41:48,782 --> 00:41:52,512 "There was this woman walking around with a newborn baby." 805 00:41:53,303 --> 00:41:54,443 Lisa Montgomery. 806 00:41:57,031 --> 00:41:59,341 Lisa Montgomery is incapable 807 00:41:59,447 --> 00:42:00,967 of having a newborn baby. 808 00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:03,590 She had a tubal ligation years ago. 809 00:42:05,143 --> 00:42:06,873 That woman, Darlene Fischer, 810 00:42:06,972 --> 00:42:09,602 turns out to be Lisa Montgomery. 811 00:42:09,699 --> 00:42:12,359 Everything was closing in. 812 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:14,390 That baby had to be located 813 00:42:14,497 --> 00:42:16,327 as fast as they could. 814 00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:19,880 There are all sorts of things that could go wrong. 815 00:42:19,985 --> 00:42:21,635 This child is in danger. 60932

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