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To shoot two people
six times each--
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I can't even climb
into that darkness.
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The creepy dude was
most likely right there.
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They assume that the
murderer knows the victims.
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Everyone is a suspect.
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Gabby Petito
never goes outside.
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Did Brian Laundrie
have something
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to do with the disappearance
of these two girls?
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This blew my world apart.
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I decided that I was
actually going to try to solve
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the crime myself.
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And I was relentless
to get answers
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and to even enlist
Dog the Bounty Hunter
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to come and help me.
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I said, please, please,
please come help me.
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There's a body in the creek,
and he's screaming.
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No, what the fuck
are you doing?
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Get back in your car.
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And she kept repeating,
"He's going to kill me."
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And he shoots my daughter.
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That's about the
only time in my career
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that I just wanted
to shoot him.
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You can run.
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You can't hide.
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The skies in Moab
are phenomenal.
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They're just phenomenal.
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The landscape is majestic.
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We have strange,
rare mountain features.
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You feel like you're at a
foreign planet, like Mars.
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It is one of the most
beautiful places to visit.
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So as much as I loved
Moab's landscape,
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I did not like Moab's energy.
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I'm Sean-Paul Schulte.
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Kylen was my lovely daughter.
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She was probably
17 years old
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when she moved to Moab.
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She came to Moab
to be with me, her dad,
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and she really started
to grow and blossom.
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She grew up in a rural area
with very few close friends.
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And her best friend probably
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was her little brother,
Mackie.
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In 2015, Mack was killed
by one of his friends
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who shot him
through the window.
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Mackie boy was rapping on
his window to come sneak
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out and come play with him.
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His friend thought
it was a bad guy
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and took the gun out from
under his bed and shot
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at the head in the window.
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Kylen came there to heal.
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And she worked at the
till, at the front desk,
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of this health food store.
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And as the guests
would come in,
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they'd see this big,
beautiful, tall girl
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with dreadlocks sticking up
and a big, beautiful smile
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on her face.
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I was there the first
day Kylen saw Crystal.
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So Crystal was shorter
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and older and leathered up
and rode a Harley.
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And Kylen was tall
and young and beautiful.
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Kylen looked at me,
and she said,
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I just want you to know that
Crystal and I are together.
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And I had already knew.
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I already saw this blossoming.
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I saw this happening.
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I'm just-- I'm
thrilled to death
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that you two are in this
wonderful
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relationship together.
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And they were just--
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wow, thanks, Dad.
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There was an old Moab
that wasn't so accepting,
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and then there was the
rest of us that were.
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I would watch them go
into Village Market,
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and they would be dancing and
holding hands and twirling.
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Oh!
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It's pollen.
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OK.
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The pollen is everywhere.
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They got married in a big
giant tree house in the forest.
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I was their best man.
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I was their bridesmaid.
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I was the ring bearer.
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They called each other
big wife, little wife.
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There was a stark
difference between them.
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They were happy.
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I mean, you could
see it in their faces
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when you saw them in town.
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Kylen had a job at
the Moonflower Co-op,
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while Crystal was
an assistant manager
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at the local McDonald's.
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And even though many would
consider their lifestyle
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to be, like, subpar
on the economic scale,
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they seemed very happy.
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And money did not
really resonate
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to them as a necessity.
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Moab seemed to
attract people who
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maybe weren't what we
think of as ordinary
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or people who fit in,
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a lot of people there who
were living in the van life,
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not very materialistic, almost
like a little hippie community.
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People looked out
for each other.
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They cared about each other.
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When they couldn't
afford a place,
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that didn't bring them down.
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Kylen always had a bunny.
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Kylen loved bunny rabbits.
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If you looked at her
name tag at work,
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you'd see she drew a little
bunny rabbit next to her name.
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They were happy
and excited and-- and--
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and had fun living out of
their van up on the mountain.
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But I believe that if they
were behind a locked door,
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they would still
be with us today.
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I got a call from
Moonflower Co-op.
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She says, Sean-Paul, I don't
know how to tell you this,
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but Kylen has pulled
a no-call, no-show.
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She's missing.
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She didn't show up to work.
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And Kylen never misses work.
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And she said, wait,
Sean-Paul, there's more.
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Crystal-- because when
Kylen came up missing,
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we called McDonald's.
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Crystal has missed two shifts--
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no-call, no-show.
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I called the
police, and I said,
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you need to put an
APB out on my girls.
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And they said,
there's already an ATL.
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And I said, what's an ATL?
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They said, attempt to locate.
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My name is Nate Whitney.
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I work for the Grand
County Sheriff's
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Office here in Moab, Utah.
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We cover the Grand County area.
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Overall, the county
is fairly large.
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It's 3,600 square miles.
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Crystal and Kylen
had told people
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that they worked with
that they were camping
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near the Warner Lake camp area.
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Warner Lake is a 30-,
45-minute drive
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from center of Moab.
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It's just a vast area,
and people have a hard time
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understanding that there's
just so many places where
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these girls could have been.
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I immediately went online,
and I started posting,
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"All my Moab friends, keep
your eyes out for the girls,
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"for the girls' van.
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They were camping
up on the mountain."
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I mean, Sean-Paul put
the post up on August 17th,
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and I read it that
morning as I was going
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through my regular routine.
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And I instantly started
being told, you have to go.
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You're going.
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At the time, I called
it source energy,
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because it's not like
I'm hearing a voice.
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It's more of a--
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a gut feeling sensation.
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So I finally called
him and I said,
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Sean-Paul, is this normal?
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Do the girls normally
no-show, no-call?
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And he said, no.
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And I said, do you know
where the girls are?
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And he said, no, I just know
they're up in
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the La Sal somewhere.
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Cindy said,
me and all my doggies
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are getting in the car,
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and we're going
up on the mountain
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to try to find the girls.
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These girls do not
camp in a campground.
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They'll be in the
woods somewhere.
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And he told me, you know,
look over ravines, look over
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cliffs, look for
broken taillights,
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look for pieces of
bumper, you know.
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So I said, I will search all
day until I run out of gas
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or until it's dark.
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And she would stop
and show them the--
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the pictures and say,
have you seen these girls?
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They're in a silver
Kia, a minivan.
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And I passed Whispering
Oaks, and shortly after that,
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I went over a cattle guard.
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And that's when I saw
a flash of silver.
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And so I stopped my car
in the middle of the road,
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and I backed up
and looked again.
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And I'm like, oh, there's
a campsite down there.
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I started feeling like
something was wrong.
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And I needed to hurry.
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And that's when I
called Sean-Paul.
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And as I was approaching,
I was like,
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oh, it's a silver Kia.
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And then I turned around
and I saw there was a tent.
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And I said,
do you see the girls?
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And she said, no.
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I then walked over
to the pet enclosure
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and saw that the
bunny was inside.
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The bunny had no food
or water.
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And at that point,
I started crying.
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And then she went silent.
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And I was like,
Cindy, are you OK?
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That's when I saw
the stream.
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And I looked to the
left, and I see a body.
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Of course, I'm losing it.
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I'm in Montana, distraught.
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I'm on the floor like a puddle.
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I don't know what's going on.
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So I'm saying to myself,
no, this is-- the police
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are supposed to do this.
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I'm not supposed to do this.
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Um--
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sorry.
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So I finally tell him that
there's a body in the creek.
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And he's screaming.
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She said, I see a body.
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And I was like, no--
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I fell on the ground.
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I was crying.
I was screaming.
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And he's going, is it Kylen?
Is it Crystal?
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And I don't want
to tell him it's Kylen.
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I know it's Kylen because she's
so much bigger than Crystal.
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I tell him I don't know.
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And I look again, and, uh--
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and then I have to tell him
that it's his baby girl.
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And then I said,
oh, my word, Sean,
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I have to call the police
back and let them know.
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Kylen was found face down in
the-- a small stream nearby.
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And Crystal's body was
found a dozen yards--
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or meters-- further away.
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I said,
I think she's that way.
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I don't know why I knew
where she was, but I said,
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I think I know where she's at.
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As soon as Cindy Sue
called 911
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and let us know that she
had found the girls,
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I was immediately called up
and dispatched to the location.
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Myself and former
Lieutenant Kim Neal
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started processing the scene.
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We had to do that fairly
quickly because there was
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a big storm head coming in.
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We were worried it was going
to wash away
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even more evidence.
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There was blood underneath
the mattress in the tent,
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but not next to the mattress.
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And then I remember
wondering why one body was
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in one location of the creek
and the other body was in
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another location of the creek.
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They both had been
shot five times.
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According to their
forensics, they determined
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that the two girls were shot
while in their tent,
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but their bodies were
found outside of the tent.
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We were behind the
eight-ball the entire time.
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It turns out that the homicide
happened on August 14th.
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The bodies weren't
discovered till August 18th.
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We were already trying to
make up for that time gap.
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We were also fighting
weather conditions.
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There was a
reception center nearby
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where the girls were camping.
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And they had
surveillance footage,
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and they can see
vehicles coming and going
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up and down the mountain.
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One of the vehicles that stood
out to them as being unusual
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was a black Yaris.
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The detective watching the
footage of all these cars going
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on the La Sal Loop Road
picked out the black Yaris,
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and for some reason,
it stood out to him.
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It didn't fit in his mind,
and he stuck with it.
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According to law
enforcement, the girls
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got home to their tent about--
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shortly after 1:00
in the morning.
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By 11:00-something
that following morning,
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the surveillance footage
nearby
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at the reception center,
you can hear gunfire.
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The night when Kylen
and Crystal disappeared,
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they went to Woody's Tavern
for drinks.
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And there was
surveillance video.
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And a lot of interest
came from that
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because that was one
of the last times
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that the girls
were seen alive.
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Crystal and Kylen
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drive in
to Woody's World-Famous Tavern,
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which is a local hangout
for a lot of people.
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They come in,
according to the bartender,
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you know,
once or twice a month.
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They're not big drinkers.
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They're really just there to
socialize with their friends.
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Friday the 13th,
the girls met up with
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some of their workmates
to have a beer
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and celebrate the weekend.
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They reported
to their friends
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that there was a creeper
dude camping next to them.
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And they said
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there was a creeper up there
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who didn't talk to them,
but was too close to them
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and made them uncomfortable.
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This is when they mentioned
to people that they're
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with about this creepy guy
who has not only camped
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uncomfortably close,
but had actually
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walked through their
campsite and appeared
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to be looking around.
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This is the way into camp.
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Kylen and Crystal were
up at their campsite
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up on the mountain,
and somebody
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had howled like a wolf,
and Crystal howled back.
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He had kind of ended up
camping what they thought
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was too close to
them, because there's
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a million acres out there.
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We don't have to be
right next to each other.
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This is where Crystal
and Kylen camped.
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And the creepy dude was
most likely right there.
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Their friends were like,
oh, Kylen and Crystal,
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don't go back up there.
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And the girls were like, we're
not really worried about that.
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There's two of us
and one of him,
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and it's not that
big of a deal.
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And-- and back up the
mountain they went.
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It was the last
time anybody saw them.
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Anytime somebody
is murdered,
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you look at the family,
you look at friends,
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you look
at the person who found them.
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You look at everybody
as if they could
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potentially be a
person of interest
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until you can
prove they're not.
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Given that we had no motive,
we had to look at all motives,
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for lack of a better term.
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There were
so many tips from--
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from people from all walks of
life saying, look at this guy,
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look at this guy,
look at this guy.
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And I'm sure they
were just being
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pulled in multiple directions.
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Like, which way do we go?
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Right away,
clues came in
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about Adam Pinkusiewicz.
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The clues were
from Crystal's workmates
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from McDonald's.
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Adam and Crystal worked
at the same McDonald's,
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but Crystal was
the morning shift,
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Adam was the night shift.
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They never worked at
the same time together.
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And Adam had recently been
fired from McDonald's.
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He was a disgruntled
coworker that had
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incidences at the workplace.
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He was even given a warning
during a confrontation
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where he threatened to harm
somebody, the manager at work.
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There were thoughts
that perhaps he
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had grudges against his boss
at McDonald's because she was
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a lesbian, and that he
had problems with Crystal
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because she was
a lesbian and she
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00:19:06,904 --> 00:19:08,595
was getting special treatment.
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00:19:08,699 --> 00:19:10,459
Shortly before the
murders happened,
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he's being told at one point,
you've got to work faster.
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00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:17,639
And so I think his response to
that was, it's not me, right?
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It's not the fact that
I'm not working faster.
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00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,678
It's the fact
that I'm not a lesbian.
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00:19:22,782 --> 00:19:24,956
I'm not these women.
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00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:27,683
They're, in some ways,
discriminating against me
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because of who I am.
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00:19:29,582 --> 00:19:33,862
And he's a gay man,
and that's what he resents.
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00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:37,279
There was a huge red
flag about this Adam,
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00:19:37,383 --> 00:19:43,872
and one of the clues said he
left town without picking up
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his last paycheck.
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00:19:48,842 --> 00:19:51,604
Who doesn't pick
up their final check?
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00:19:51,707 --> 00:19:53,916
We continually
tried to contact Adam,
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00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:55,642
but we never got
anything back.
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00:19:55,746 --> 00:19:57,989
Talking to Adam's
other coworkers
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at other establishments,
they described
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00:20:00,509 --> 00:20:02,718
Adam's car as a
white hatchback,
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not a black hatchback.
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00:20:05,721 --> 00:20:09,863
And because Adam Pinkusiewicz
had left town so early,
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they had no idea
where to look for him.
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00:20:12,452 --> 00:20:15,628
But at the same
time, he kept getting
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00:20:15,731 --> 00:20:17,354
pushed to the back burner.
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00:20:17,457 --> 00:20:20,219
There was such a wide
spread of different suspects,
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00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:24,637
everything from drugs,
to debt, to the creeper
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00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:26,604
dude, and even others.
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For the funeral, it took
us 11 days to get the girls.
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And we were not allowed
to have an open casket.
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The girls had been exposed to
the elements,
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the mountain, the rain,
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animals, the gunshots.
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00:20:57,325 --> 00:21:00,466
I never got to see her,
period.
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00:21:00,569 --> 00:21:03,710
She just was gone.
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00:21:03,814 --> 00:21:05,850
When your children
are murdered,
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00:21:05,954 --> 00:21:10,890
you're absolutely
lost in the dark.
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00:21:10,993 --> 00:21:12,823
Law enforcement has
a tendency to
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button up and not share
information.
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00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:18,138
So even though they
may be working hard,
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that doesn't always translate
well to a victim's family
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00:21:22,211 --> 00:21:26,423
because they're not seeing
what they're doing every day.
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So the day after the funeral,
I said,
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I've got to go to Moab.
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00:21:34,396 --> 00:21:37,054
I decided that what
I was going to do was,
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00:21:37,157 --> 00:21:41,058
I was actually going to try
to solve the crime myself.
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00:21:42,853 --> 00:21:47,754
I'm not going to let
the crime of the two
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00:21:47,858 --> 00:21:51,413
hippie lesbians on the mountain
get swept under the rug.
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00:21:51,517 --> 00:21:54,761
I think that the kind of
people that maybe might know
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00:21:54,865 --> 00:21:57,868
what happened
are not the kind of people
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00:21:57,971 --> 00:22:01,872
who are going to go into the
police station and give clues.
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00:22:01,975 --> 00:22:04,115
These are the
kind of people who
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00:22:04,219 --> 00:22:06,497
are-- kind of roughnecks
off the street
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00:22:06,601 --> 00:22:08,568
are who I need to talk to.
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00:22:08,672 --> 00:22:11,157
And so I thought,
I'm just going to--
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I'm going to set
up a clue booth
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00:22:14,298 --> 00:22:16,611
every morning at 9:00.
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00:22:16,714 --> 00:22:20,339
And I'm going to take in
clues from the community
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00:22:20,442 --> 00:22:21,961
and see what happens.
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00:22:25,447 --> 00:22:27,587
You want all the
help that you can
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00:22:27,691 --> 00:22:31,315
from civilian population,
to law enforcement,
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00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:34,007
to anybody else,
private sector investigators.
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00:22:34,111 --> 00:22:36,493
You want all that
help that you can get.
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00:22:36,596 --> 00:22:40,842
The thing that Sean-Paul
did that we really liked
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00:22:40,945 --> 00:22:43,638
is, people would come to him
who weren't comfortable coming
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00:22:43,741 --> 00:22:45,329
to talk to law enforcement.
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00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:47,883
Every once in a while, he was
able to bring us something
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00:22:47,987 --> 00:22:50,299
that we were able
to look further into.
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00:22:52,509 --> 00:22:55,615
I'd set up here every
morning from 9:00 till
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00:22:55,719 --> 00:22:57,652
noon to do the clue booth.
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00:22:57,755 --> 00:23:00,862
Folks would come and
tell me real clues.
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00:23:00,965 --> 00:23:03,174
I would basically
have the girls' Harley
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00:23:03,278 --> 00:23:06,246
jackets here, and their boots.
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00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:10,112
I'd have some rocks and some
paintings and some flowers
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00:23:10,216 --> 00:23:12,632
and a couple things
hanging up, you know?
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00:23:12,736 --> 00:23:19,467
And people were used to seeing
my books, my pamphlets, my clue
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00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:23,091
cards, and my pencils,
and of course, my phone,
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00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:25,576
because I would be texting--
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00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,130
or literally messaging
the sheriffs as they
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00:23:28,234 --> 00:23:30,754
were giving me the clues.
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00:23:30,857 --> 00:23:34,999
Basically, wait there all
day, all afternoon, for someone
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00:23:35,103 --> 00:23:39,383
to come forward with any tip
of any kind at a park bench
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00:23:39,487 --> 00:23:43,145
to help solve his
daughter's murder.
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00:23:43,249 --> 00:23:47,080
Over that time frame between
the murder and the time
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00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:53,086
I came on board, he had already
amassed 37 different suspects.
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00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:55,606
And then, from noon
till 1:00 every day,
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00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:57,125
I would do press.
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00:23:57,228 --> 00:24:00,197
There's not just one
escape route through town.
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00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,510
He didn't go through
town and stop and gas
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00:24:02,613 --> 00:24:04,753
up and get caught on video.
431
00:24:04,857 --> 00:24:06,548
He may have.
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00:24:06,652 --> 00:24:11,795
I just remember being
amazed at his strength
433
00:24:11,898 --> 00:24:15,868
and, uh, resilience.
434
00:24:15,971 --> 00:24:22,012
I personally do not believe
that Kylen and Crystal
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00:24:22,115 --> 00:24:25,636
are resting in peace.
436
00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:29,019
I was just astonished
437
00:24:29,122 --> 00:24:33,333
by his sheer determination
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00:24:33,437 --> 00:24:36,509
to show up there every
day and sit in that park
439
00:24:36,613 --> 00:24:39,754
and take clues
from anybody that
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00:24:39,857 --> 00:24:43,136
would bring him information.
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00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,828
It boggled my mind.
442
00:24:47,382 --> 00:24:49,522
There were so
many tips from--
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00:24:49,626 --> 00:24:52,594
from people from all walks of
life saying, look at this guy,
444
00:24:52,698 --> 00:24:55,079
look at this guy,
look at this guy.
445
00:24:55,183 --> 00:24:58,393
I kind of had to weed
through and learn how to be
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00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:02,811
an investigator and figure out
what was pertinent to right
447
00:25:02,915 --> 00:25:05,987
here, right now and what was an
event that happened nine years
448
00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:08,437
ago that probably didn't
have anything to do with--
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00:25:08,541 --> 00:25:10,439
with our case at all.
450
00:25:10,543 --> 00:25:13,857
But, uh, this is where
I sat every morning.
451
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,826
This is where I was sitting,
taking in the clues.
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00:25:24,143 --> 00:25:26,628
Every day,
clues would come in.
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00:25:26,732 --> 00:25:28,734
So wait till you hear this.
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00:25:28,837 --> 00:25:35,534
Crystal came to the Moonflower
to pick up Kylen after work.
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00:25:35,637 --> 00:25:39,365
And Crystal would park the
van in the alley facing
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00:25:39,468 --> 00:25:42,782
the post office and the
coffee roastery place
457
00:25:42,886 --> 00:25:44,335
across the street
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00:25:44,439 --> 00:25:46,372
that while they were
sitting in the van,
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00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:49,686
they saw a guy punch
a girl in the face.
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00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:52,481
The guy tried to
drive off in the van,
461
00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:57,417
and the girl, like, dove in
the window to go off with him.
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00:25:57,521 --> 00:25:59,627
The guy on the curb
right next to them
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00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:03,285
was already calling
911 and saying,
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00:26:03,389 --> 00:26:06,081
hey, we just saw a guy
punch a girl in the face,
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00:26:06,185 --> 00:26:08,877
and off they went around
the corner to the north.
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00:26:08,981 --> 00:26:11,949
It was Brian Laundrie
and Gabby Petito.
467
00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:14,573
Gabby Petito
never goes outside.
468
00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:20,544
They had observed Brian
Laundrie and Gabby Petito,
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00:26:20,648 --> 00:26:23,582
and they had observed
Brian Laundrie being
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00:26:23,685 --> 00:26:26,861
abusive to Gabby
Petito, which would
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00:26:26,964 --> 00:26:28,656
have been extremely upsetting.
472
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:31,244
The couple had been
on a cross-country van
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00:26:31,348 --> 00:26:33,522
trip when she
disappeared in August
474
00:26:33,626 --> 00:26:36,733
and he returned to Florida.
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00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:40,460
Brian Laundrie
and Gabby Petito
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00:26:40,564 --> 00:26:44,395
were in Moab
the exact same weekend.
477
00:26:44,499 --> 00:26:48,779
Brian's stretching,
doing some morning yoga.
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00:26:48,883 --> 00:26:50,401
And Kylen
and Crystal saw them
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00:26:50,505 --> 00:26:54,889
interact with each other right
in front of Kylen's work.
480
00:26:54,992 --> 00:26:59,410
You can't keep chocolate
in Utah, not in July.
481
00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,276
Brian Laundrie
was on our radar
482
00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:07,867
as far as me trying to
figure out who did this.
483
00:27:07,971 --> 00:27:10,318
When Brian Laundrie
was first brought up,
484
00:27:10,421 --> 00:27:13,079
if you get any information
that might pan out,
485
00:27:13,183 --> 00:27:14,702
you always have
to go and you have
486
00:27:14,805 --> 00:27:17,359
to either eliminate somebody
as a suspect or build--
487
00:27:17,463 --> 00:27:19,568
or build evidence
to support the fact
488
00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:22,364
that they are a suspect
or a person of interest.
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00:27:22,468 --> 00:27:25,920
Crystal decided to call 911.
490
00:27:26,023 --> 00:27:30,994
We know that down the road
that led to law enforcement
491
00:27:31,097 --> 00:27:34,998
initiating a traffic
stop of Gabby Petito
492
00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:37,517
and Brian Laundrie
outside of town
493
00:27:37,621 --> 00:27:40,520
as they're headed towards
the Arches National Park.
494
00:27:52,429 --> 00:27:54,811
Domestic violence
in the state of Utah
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00:27:54,914 --> 00:27:56,640
is a misdemeanor offense.
496
00:27:56,744 --> 00:27:58,780
And it's usually handled
at the patrol level unless
497
00:27:58,884 --> 00:28:01,576
there's a serious bodily
injury that's occurred,
498
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,372
in which case-- and sometimes,
I get called out on those,
499
00:28:04,475 --> 00:28:06,029
and other times I don't.
500
00:28:06,132 --> 00:28:09,688
That being said, this case
was handled by the Moab
501
00:28:09,791 --> 00:28:11,172
City Police Department.
502
00:28:20,802 --> 00:28:23,771
So it really added to the--
503
00:28:23,874 --> 00:28:27,740
the flurry of rumor that--
504
00:28:27,844 --> 00:28:31,157
and suspicion that maybe
Brian Laundrie was responsible
505
00:28:31,261 --> 00:28:34,747
for Kylen and Crystal's
death, because his girlfriend
506
00:28:34,851 --> 00:28:37,577
goes missing,
he was also in town,
507
00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:39,441
these two girls go missing.
508
00:28:39,545 --> 00:28:42,444
So it just seemed like there
was a nexus between it all.
509
00:28:42,548 --> 00:28:44,861
Did Brian Laundrie
have something
510
00:28:44,964 --> 00:28:47,864
to do with the disappearance
of these two girls
511
00:28:47,967 --> 00:28:49,210
and their subsequent murder?
512
00:28:52,972 --> 00:28:59,807
It really did kind of inspire
these theories that somehow,
513
00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:04,363
maybe Kylen and Crystal
had been the ones to call 911,
514
00:29:04,466 --> 00:29:07,366
that Brian Laundrie was aware
of this and that he had,
515
00:29:07,469 --> 00:29:10,472
you know, gotten out of--
out of his hotel the next day
516
00:29:10,576 --> 00:29:13,096
and gone on some
vendetta against
517
00:29:13,199 --> 00:29:16,513
the people who had called 911.
518
00:29:16,616 --> 00:29:19,067
So we didn't know if
it was Brian Laundrie.
519
00:29:19,171 --> 00:29:20,724
Keep in mind now,
I had my clue booth,
520
00:29:20,828 --> 00:29:23,692
and everything's happening
all at once here.
521
00:29:23,796 --> 00:29:25,936
All of these things
intersected and happened
522
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,698
at the exact same time
as my girls went missing.
523
00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:40,502
They had the
cell phone records.
524
00:29:40,606 --> 00:29:43,229
In the cell phone data,
we were able to confirm
525
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,957
that Brian Laundrie and Gabby
Petito were not in the area
526
00:29:47,061 --> 00:29:48,407
at the time of the homicide.
527
00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:50,098
It is very coincidental.
528
00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:52,031
But you know, it's--
529
00:29:52,135 --> 00:29:54,068
coincidences happen every day.
530
00:29:54,171 --> 00:29:56,449
A discovery today
in the Florida nature
531
00:29:56,553 --> 00:29:59,970
reserve where Brian Laundrie
was believed to be hiding.
532
00:30:00,074 --> 00:30:01,592
Investigators
found what appeared
533
00:30:01,696 --> 00:30:04,388
to be human remains,
along with personal items,
534
00:30:04,492 --> 00:30:06,908
such as a backpack
and notebook
535
00:30:07,012 --> 00:30:08,910
belonging to Brian Laundrie.
536
00:30:15,883 --> 00:30:18,195
God forbid your
children are murdered,
537
00:30:18,299 --> 00:30:20,301
this is what you're
going to expect--
538
00:30:20,404 --> 00:30:24,546
cold faces,
no answers, a lot of time,
539
00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:28,619
and a whole bunch
of questions.
540
00:30:38,457 --> 00:30:41,253
We decided to
just hit everything
541
00:30:41,356 --> 00:30:43,462
from the very beginning
really hard again.
542
00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:47,811
And we ended up
getting a warrant
543
00:30:47,915 --> 00:30:50,331
and seizing Cindy Sue's phone.
544
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,162
There's a knock at the
door, and my dogs, of course,
545
00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:55,198
go crazy.
546
00:30:55,301 --> 00:30:56,544
There's three of them.
547
00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:58,891
And I can't get
them to calm down.
548
00:30:58,995 --> 00:31:01,652
And there's three officers
standing at the front door.
549
00:31:01,756 --> 00:31:07,072
And so I get the dogs out of
the way and I get outside.
550
00:31:07,175 --> 00:31:10,592
And I-- you know,
they introduce themselves.
551
00:31:10,696 --> 00:31:13,319
They're from three
different departments,
552
00:31:13,423 --> 00:31:17,841
these three officers,
and three separate cars.
553
00:31:17,945 --> 00:31:22,363
And I, you know,
was, what's going on?
554
00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:24,641
And they said, well,
we're here to serve you
555
00:31:24,744 --> 00:31:25,814
with a warrant.
556
00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:28,817
And I-- I was like, what?
557
00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:30,405
For what?
558
00:31:30,509 --> 00:31:32,718
Well, you're a suspect
in a murder in Moab.
559
00:31:32,821 --> 00:31:35,548
I said, I found them;
I didn't kill them.
560
00:31:35,652 --> 00:31:37,896
They said, no, this says
that you're a suspect
561
00:31:37,999 --> 00:31:40,243
and we're here
to take your phone.
562
00:31:40,346 --> 00:31:42,728
Why are you doing this?
563
00:31:54,153 --> 00:31:55,706
When we seized
Cindy Sue's phone,
564
00:31:55,810 --> 00:31:58,882
it was to make sure that
what she had told us
565
00:31:58,986 --> 00:32:01,195
about her whereabouts
and who she had talked to
566
00:32:01,298 --> 00:32:04,129
and what she had said was true.
567
00:32:04,232 --> 00:32:07,511
She actually took a couple
of photos with her phone,
568
00:32:07,615 --> 00:32:13,517
from the road, of the
crime scene to show me.
569
00:32:13,621 --> 00:32:16,037
When we were at
the crime scene,
570
00:32:16,141 --> 00:32:18,902
one of the officers asked
me, do you know-- because I
571
00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:20,559
took them to Kylen's body.
572
00:32:20,662 --> 00:32:22,941
And they said, do you
know where Crystal is?
573
00:32:23,044 --> 00:32:26,185
And I said, no, but I
believe she's that way.
574
00:32:26,289 --> 00:32:30,258
And so an officer took off and
went walking that direction.
575
00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:32,951
And a few minutes later,
he came walking back out,
576
00:32:33,054 --> 00:32:34,538
and he's walking really fast.
577
00:32:34,642 --> 00:32:36,713
And I said, did you find her?
578
00:32:36,816 --> 00:32:39,095
You know, because I wanted
to know, was I right?
579
00:32:39,198 --> 00:32:40,751
Is that where she was?
580
00:32:40,855 --> 00:32:42,753
And he just put his
hand up like this.
581
00:32:42,857 --> 00:32:44,824
And his lip
was trembling and he
582
00:32:44,928 --> 00:32:47,068
just walked really fast by me.
583
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:48,932
And I said,
I didn't kill them.
584
00:32:49,036 --> 00:32:51,521
I would never kill anybody.
585
00:32:51,624 --> 00:32:54,041
They took my phone.
586
00:32:54,144 --> 00:32:58,045
And that is not only to
eliminate her as a suspect
587
00:32:58,148 --> 00:33:02,394
but also to eliminate the
potential for a defense
588
00:33:02,497 --> 00:33:04,361
attorney to say, well,
you didn't really look
589
00:33:04,465 --> 00:33:07,537
at the person who found them.
590
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,611
Cindy Sue should have
had a ticker tape parade
591
00:33:12,714 --> 00:33:16,753
and been given
the key to the city,
592
00:33:16,856 --> 00:33:19,928
not treated like a suspect.
593
00:33:31,078 --> 00:33:36,083
And I was relentless to
get answers, to get help,
594
00:33:36,186 --> 00:33:38,292
and to even enlist
Dog the Bounty Hunter
595
00:33:38,395 --> 00:33:40,397
to come and help me.
596
00:33:40,501 --> 00:33:42,192
- 2:30, sir.
- All right, god bless.
597
00:33:42,296 --> 00:33:44,125
Thank you.
598
00:33:44,229 --> 00:33:47,335
I said, please, please,
please come help me.
599
00:33:47,439 --> 00:33:50,959
And he showed up,
much to my surprise.
600
00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:52,237
You know, we had
the world-famous
601
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,515
Dog the Bounty Hunter
helping out.
602
00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:58,070
And he got a celebrity
from across the country
603
00:33:58,174 --> 00:34:02,488
to come out here with a
crew at their expense to--
604
00:34:02,592 --> 00:34:05,422
to dig deep.
605
00:34:05,526 --> 00:34:08,425
When Dog the Bounty Hunter
came, he put up a 1-800
606
00:34:08,529 --> 00:34:10,807
number and took in clues.
607
00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:14,431
Dog showed up and he wanted
us to give them a short list
608
00:34:14,535 --> 00:34:16,709
of who we thought
was the greatest
609
00:34:16,813 --> 00:34:21,024
suspects to-- to--
to go digging deep into.
610
00:34:21,128 --> 00:34:23,923
Now, we went into
that meeting with Dog,
611
00:34:24,027 --> 00:34:29,998
and the very first person
we mentioned was Adam.
612
00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:34,210
When Dog came, he thought
it was someone else.
613
00:34:34,313 --> 00:34:38,352
He was only here two days,
because law enforcement
614
00:34:38,455 --> 00:34:41,803
called me into the office
and told me that they had
615
00:34:41,907 --> 00:34:43,391
figured out what had happened.
616
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,465
Law enforcement called me in.
617
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:50,743
And JD was on my side when--
618
00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:51,986
I thought they
going to arrest him.
619
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:53,712
Grabbed me and pulled me in.
620
00:34:53,815 --> 00:34:56,197
And we thought,
what's going on here?
621
00:34:56,301 --> 00:34:58,751
And they sat me down and they
gave me a piece of paper.
622
00:34:58,855 --> 00:35:00,650
I read it.
623
00:35:00,753 --> 00:35:04,688
When I got halfway through, and
I saw that Adam had confessed.
624
00:35:07,864 --> 00:35:11,247
We were pulling
at all the strings.
625
00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:13,041
We were tugging
on everything we
626
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:14,767
could right there at the end.
627
00:35:14,871 --> 00:35:18,633
We were trying to find Adam
so hard there at the end
628
00:35:18,737 --> 00:35:22,534
that we had the
FBI running traces
629
00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:27,055
on any of his known associates
or known possible whereabouts.
630
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,920
And we had the Utah SIAC
doing the same thing.
631
00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:31,750
They came to the
same conclusion,
632
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:34,891
that he was still receiving
mail in Hollywood, Florida.
633
00:35:34,994 --> 00:35:38,860
Adam Pinkusiewicz was
driving a white hatchback,
634
00:35:38,964 --> 00:35:41,967
as far as we knew, and so--
635
00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:45,039
until we got to Florida
and was able to pull up
636
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,594
an old incident that
Adam Pinkusiewicz was
637
00:35:48,698 --> 00:35:50,217
associated with a black Yaris.
638
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,394
We also learned a lot
about Adam Pinkusiewicz.
639
00:35:55,498 --> 00:35:59,467
He also lived, according to
the police, the van life.
640
00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:04,645
He was living out of his car,
which was a Toyota Yaris.
641
00:36:04,748 --> 00:36:08,545
We also learned
he apparently was
642
00:36:08,649 --> 00:36:12,066
a guy that was living
at the same campsite
643
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,862
as Kylen and Crystal.
644
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:19,591
As far as we know,
Crystal and Adam
645
00:36:19,694 --> 00:36:22,973
never actually met.
646
00:36:23,077 --> 00:36:25,424
You've got to understand that
when the creeper showed up
647
00:36:25,528 --> 00:36:28,358
at their campsite,
she didn't recognize him,
648
00:36:28,462 --> 00:36:32,397
didn't recognize him as a
person that she worked with.
649
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:35,365
We gotta remember that this
is at the tail end of COVID.
650
00:36:35,469 --> 00:36:38,299
And back then, everybody was
still wearing masks, especially
651
00:36:38,403 --> 00:36:40,853
in the food industry.
652
00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:46,963
He had purchased a Glock
19, 9-millimeter handgun.
653
00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:49,552
He had bought the types
of rounds that were
654
00:36:49,655 --> 00:36:52,658
used in the double murder.
655
00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:54,350
Eventually,
law enforcement caught
656
00:36:54,453 --> 00:36:57,767
up with Adam Pinkusiewicz'
significant other.
657
00:36:57,870 --> 00:37:01,909
When enforcement contacted him,
he said, this is about a murder
658
00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,497
in Utah, isn't it?
659
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,433
And what he explained
was that Adam told him
660
00:37:08,536 --> 00:37:12,402
he killed a couple
of women in Utah.
661
00:37:12,506 --> 00:37:18,891
This lover of Adam's told us
details about the crime scene
662
00:37:18,995 --> 00:37:22,101
that the only person who
would have known these details
663
00:37:22,205 --> 00:37:24,794
was the killer themselves.
664
00:37:24,897 --> 00:37:27,417
When he was asked why
he didn't report it,
665
00:37:27,521 --> 00:37:30,627
he said he was afraid
of Adam, that if he
666
00:37:30,731 --> 00:37:36,288
said something, that Adam,
you know, could harm him.
667
00:37:36,392 --> 00:37:40,223
But what he wasn't aware
of was, by that point,
668
00:37:40,327 --> 00:37:43,226
Adam had already
took his own life.
669
00:37:43,330 --> 00:37:46,298
He had actually
committed suicide
670
00:37:46,402 --> 00:37:51,269
within weeks of his departure
from Utah,
671
00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:53,374
from Moab.
672
00:37:53,478 --> 00:37:57,723
In fact, he took his life
on September 24th of '21
673
00:37:57,827 --> 00:38:00,519
just weeks
after leaving here.
674
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:05,662
His suicide note
that was found in Iowa,
675
00:38:05,766 --> 00:38:08,700
he did go on a pretty big rant.
676
00:38:08,803 --> 00:38:14,188
He indicated that he had
to contend with an unhappy
677
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:15,672
work environment.
678
00:38:15,776 --> 00:38:17,778
He must not have been
happy in his own skin
679
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:21,816
to have such animosity
to a lesbian couple.
680
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Shortly before
the murders, he
681
00:38:23,784 --> 00:38:25,717
notices at one
point that Crystal
682
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:26,959
has come into McDonald's.
683
00:38:27,063 --> 00:38:29,445
She's not in her
work outfit, and she
684
00:38:29,548 --> 00:38:32,793
is making some sandwiches
behind the counter.
685
00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:35,796
She's making some for Kylen.
686
00:38:35,899 --> 00:38:40,076
And this really aggravates
Adam Pinkusiewicz.
687
00:38:40,179 --> 00:38:42,423
He thinks this is somebody
who shouldn't be doing that.
688
00:38:42,527 --> 00:38:45,978
And so he goes and
complains about this.
689
00:38:46,082 --> 00:38:47,773
You've got to keep in mind,
690
00:38:47,877 --> 00:38:49,879
Adam knew
who these girls were.
691
00:38:49,982 --> 00:38:54,504
He had complained on them
to the McDonald's management.
692
00:38:54,608 --> 00:38:56,161
They didn't know him.
693
00:38:56,264 --> 00:38:58,819
So it was a one-sided
connection, almost.
694
00:38:58,922 --> 00:39:03,168
He brought up the fact that
he was tired of being told
695
00:39:03,271 --> 00:39:05,481
what to do by these women.
696
00:39:05,584 --> 00:39:08,484
So I don't know if they were
telling him to quiet down
697
00:39:08,587 --> 00:39:11,245
in his camp, or to stop
working on his car,
698
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,247
or to stop playing his
music loud at night.
699
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,800
We just don't know.
700
00:39:14,904 --> 00:39:18,390
There was a lot of
disturbing discoveries
701
00:39:18,494 --> 00:39:19,943
about Adam Pinkusiewicz.
702
00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:22,290
When they were going
through his phone,
703
00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:25,259
they saw that he would
have notes about how
704
00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:28,089
he had these cravings to--
705
00:39:28,193 --> 00:39:32,059
to rape and to murder people
and things of that nature.
706
00:39:34,095 --> 00:39:36,443
It almost seemed to be more
like, if it was a hate crime,
707
00:39:36,546 --> 00:39:40,654
it was more gender-based as
opposed to sexual orientation.
708
00:39:40,757 --> 00:39:42,656
So it's, I think,
more of the gender
709
00:39:42,759 --> 00:39:46,453
that he is angry
and blaming as opposed
710
00:39:46,556 --> 00:39:47,626
to their sexual orientation.
711
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,321
Unfortunately for
this case and for, like,
712
00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:58,085
a trial, Adam Pinkusiewicz took
his life in Waterloo, Iowa.
713
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,709
And then that's when
I learned the case
714
00:40:01,813 --> 00:40:03,262
was closed, not closed.
715
00:40:03,366 --> 00:40:04,919
And I'm like,
I don't understand.
716
00:40:05,023 --> 00:40:07,439
How can the case be
closed, not closed?
717
00:40:07,543 --> 00:40:11,547
And was told, they're still
looking for DNA evidence.
718
00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:14,032
They're still
looking for the gun.
719
00:40:14,135 --> 00:40:17,967
He took his life with a
revolver, a different gun that
720
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,245
was used in the murder of--
721
00:40:20,348 --> 00:40:26,044
of these two girls, which was
the first thing that stood out.
722
00:40:26,147 --> 00:40:28,080
After he had
committed the crimes,
723
00:40:28,184 --> 00:40:30,945
he had actually physically
moved the girls,
724
00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:33,776
and must've got blood
all over himself,
725
00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:37,193
and then sat in his
car and fled the scene.
726
00:40:37,296 --> 00:40:39,298
Well, that blood
and-- and DNA must
727
00:40:39,402 --> 00:40:42,992
have transferred to his
car, into his car seat,
728
00:40:43,095 --> 00:40:44,994
down in under the covers.
729
00:40:45,097 --> 00:40:51,587
But once they found the
car, it had been sold.
730
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:55,038
It had been detailed twice.
731
00:40:55,142 --> 00:40:58,525
So even though they cut apart
and chopped up the seats
732
00:40:58,628 --> 00:41:01,044
and looked for DNA
in the foam down
733
00:41:01,148 --> 00:41:05,359
in the bottom of those
seats, all of that evidence
734
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:09,018
had already been washed
away more than once.
735
00:41:09,121 --> 00:41:11,089
When we were in Florida
and we found out
736
00:41:11,192 --> 00:41:12,608
that the Yaris had been sold
737
00:41:12,711 --> 00:41:15,196
and that Adam
had committed suicide,
738
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,614
we were able to get
ahold of Adam's family
739
00:41:18,717 --> 00:41:23,653
and was able to get them to
allow us to take some of Adam's
740
00:41:23,757 --> 00:41:25,966
personal effects
into custody as evidence,
741
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:27,692
including three cell phones.
742
00:41:27,795 --> 00:41:31,730
In the cell phone data,
we found the connection back
743
00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:37,046
to this individual in Iowa who
ended up being Adam's lover
744
00:41:37,149 --> 00:41:39,151
and who ended up
being the witness
745
00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:41,188
that he confessed to
prior to his suicide.
746
00:41:43,673 --> 00:41:45,813
The most important thing
from the outset
747
00:41:45,917 --> 00:41:48,229
was finding out who
did it, bringing
748
00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:50,231
them to justice if
at all possible,
749
00:41:50,335 --> 00:41:51,992
and closure for the family.
750
00:41:52,095 --> 00:41:56,444
You hear about cops holding
on to things that they
751
00:41:56,548 --> 00:41:58,205
didn't finish for a long time.
752
00:41:58,308 --> 00:42:01,173
But at the end of the day,
the closure for the family
753
00:42:01,277 --> 00:42:05,971
is way more important than
the closure for the cop.
754
00:42:06,075 --> 00:42:07,317
Nate helped me.
755
00:42:07,421 --> 00:42:08,353
Nate listened to me.
756
00:42:08,456 --> 00:42:11,183
Nate took my clues seriously.
757
00:42:11,287 --> 00:42:14,670
And Nate and Al,
the other sheriff,
758
00:42:14,773 --> 00:42:18,570
really went out of their
way to go try to solve
759
00:42:18,674 --> 00:42:20,296
this crime and-- and--
760
00:42:20,399 --> 00:42:23,437
and do the research
across the country.
761
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:27,579
By finding them,
they got to go home.
762
00:42:27,683 --> 00:42:30,962
They got to bury
their daughters.
763
00:42:31,065 --> 00:42:33,309
And they got to
know what happened.
764
00:42:33,412 --> 00:42:35,863
As tragic as it was,
they weren't
765
00:42:35,967 --> 00:42:37,796
left with those
questions looming
766
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:43,181
over them, which so many
families have to deal with.
767
00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:48,013
God forbid your
children get murdered.
768
00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:50,775
I would not wish it
on my worst enemy.
769
00:42:50,878 --> 00:42:56,919
By far, the most distraught
loss you could ever go through
770
00:42:57,022 --> 00:43:02,372
is a child and a parent
dying in the wrong order,
771
00:43:02,476 --> 00:43:05,859
OK, especially murder.
772
00:43:05,962 --> 00:43:11,830
I watched the light
shine from inside
773
00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:14,522
out of Kylen and Crystal.
774
00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:18,906
I was absolutely thrilled
and supportive of
775
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:21,391
their wonderful relationship.
776
00:43:32,023 --> 00:43:33,507
It came out over the radio.
777
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:35,302
A big, serious police
call comes out.
778
00:43:39,409 --> 00:43:42,999
She wins a number of military
honors and distinctions
779
00:43:43,103 --> 00:43:44,829
when she is in Iraq.
780
00:43:44,932 --> 00:43:46,658
He was watching her.
781
00:43:46,762 --> 00:43:49,005
It initially sounded like,
perhaps, a school shooting.
782
00:43:50,593 --> 00:43:51,905
You immediately
assume the worst.
60184
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