1 00:00:04,107 --> 00:00:08,594 To shoot two people six times each-- 2 00:00:08,698 --> 00:00:11,942 I can't even climb into that darkness. 3 00:00:12,046 --> 00:00:15,808 The creepy dude was most likely right there. 4 00:00:15,912 --> 00:00:20,054 They assume that the murderer knows the victims. 5 00:00:20,158 --> 00:00:22,056 Everyone is a suspect. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,403 Gabby Petito never goes outside. 7 00:00:24,507 --> 00:00:26,336 Did Brian Laundrie have something 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,546 to do with the disappearance of these two girls? 9 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:32,170 This blew my world apart. 10 00:00:32,273 --> 00:00:35,863 I decided that I was actually going to try to solve 11 00:00:35,966 --> 00:00:37,623 the crime myself. 12 00:00:37,727 --> 00:00:40,316 And I was relentless to get answers 13 00:00:40,419 --> 00:00:42,939 and to even enlist Dog the Bounty Hunter 14 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,389 to come and help me. 15 00:00:44,492 --> 00:00:47,806 I said, please, please, please come help me. 16 00:00:47,909 --> 00:00:51,672 There's a body in the creek, and he's screaming. 17 00:00:51,775 --> 00:00:53,432 No, what the fuck are you doing? 18 00:00:53,536 --> 00:00:54,640 Get back in your car. 19 00:01:01,854 --> 00:01:04,374 And she kept repeating, "He's going to kill me." 20 00:01:04,478 --> 00:01:06,790 And he shoots my daughter. 21 00:01:08,896 --> 00:01:10,380 That's about the only time in my career 22 00:01:10,484 --> 00:01:12,037 that I just wanted to shoot him. 23 00:01:20,494 --> 00:01:21,978 You can run. 24 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:23,876 You can't hide. 25 00:01:39,375 --> 00:01:42,171 The skies in Moab are phenomenal. 26 00:01:42,274 --> 00:01:44,138 They're just phenomenal. 27 00:01:44,242 --> 00:01:47,141 The landscape is majestic. 28 00:01:48,832 --> 00:01:52,595 We have strange, rare mountain features. 29 00:01:52,698 --> 00:01:57,496 You feel like you're at a foreign planet, like Mars. 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,499 It is one of the most beautiful places to visit. 31 00:02:00,603 --> 00:02:04,434 So as much as I loved Moab's landscape, 32 00:02:04,538 --> 00:02:07,920 I did not like Moab's energy. 33 00:02:11,959 --> 00:02:14,513 I'm Sean-Paul Schulte. 34 00:02:14,617 --> 00:02:18,207 Kylen was my lovely daughter. 35 00:02:19,932 --> 00:02:24,040 She was probably 17 years old 36 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,525 when she moved to Moab. 37 00:02:28,182 --> 00:02:31,081 She came to Moab to be with me, her dad, 38 00:02:31,185 --> 00:02:34,671 and she really started to grow and blossom. 39 00:02:34,775 --> 00:02:41,057 She grew up in a rural area with very few close friends. 40 00:02:42,231 --> 00:02:44,336 And her best friend probably 41 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,477 was her little brother, Mackie. 42 00:02:47,581 --> 00:02:50,894 In 2015, Mack was killed by one of his friends 43 00:02:50,998 --> 00:02:53,173 who shot him through the window. 44 00:02:53,276 --> 00:02:56,383 Mackie boy was rapping on his window to come sneak 45 00:02:56,486 --> 00:02:58,385 out and come play with him. 46 00:02:58,488 --> 00:03:00,697 His friend thought it was a bad guy 47 00:03:00,801 --> 00:03:04,425 and took the gun out from under his bed and shot 48 00:03:04,529 --> 00:03:07,014 at the head in the window. 49 00:03:12,813 --> 00:03:14,642 Kylen came there to heal. 50 00:03:19,406 --> 00:03:23,272 And she worked at the till, at the front desk, 51 00:03:23,375 --> 00:03:25,481 of this health food store. 52 00:03:25,584 --> 00:03:28,208 And as the guests would come in, 53 00:03:28,311 --> 00:03:30,555 they'd see this big, beautiful, tall girl 54 00:03:30,658 --> 00:03:34,041 with dreadlocks sticking up and a big, beautiful smile 55 00:03:34,144 --> 00:03:35,870 on her face. 56 00:03:35,974 --> 00:03:39,426 I was there the first day Kylen saw Crystal. 57 00:03:41,807 --> 00:03:45,639 So Crystal was shorter 58 00:03:45,742 --> 00:03:50,333 and older and leathered up and rode a Harley. 59 00:03:55,131 --> 00:04:00,930 And Kylen was tall and young and beautiful. 60 00:04:01,033 --> 00:04:04,002 Kylen looked at me, and she said, 61 00:04:04,105 --> 00:04:07,488 I just want you to know that Crystal and I are together. 62 00:04:07,592 --> 00:04:09,801 And I had already knew. 63 00:04:09,904 --> 00:04:12,528 I already saw this blossoming. 64 00:04:12,631 --> 00:04:14,392 I saw this happening. 65 00:04:14,495 --> 00:04:16,325 I'm just-- I'm thrilled to death 66 00:04:16,428 --> 00:04:18,603 that you two are in this wonderful 67 00:04:18,706 --> 00:04:20,363 relationship together. 68 00:04:20,467 --> 00:04:22,123 And they were just-- 69 00:04:22,227 --> 00:04:25,437 wow, thanks, Dad. 70 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:31,132 There was an old Moab that wasn't so accepting, 71 00:04:31,236 --> 00:04:33,445 and then there was the rest of us that were. 72 00:04:39,762 --> 00:04:41,867 I would watch them go into Village Market, 73 00:04:41,971 --> 00:04:45,906 and they would be dancing and holding hands and twirling. 74 00:04:46,009 --> 00:04:48,322 Oh! 75 00:04:49,910 --> 00:04:51,808 It's pollen. 76 00:04:51,912 --> 00:04:52,878 OK. 77 00:04:52,982 --> 00:04:54,708 The pollen is everywhere. 78 00:04:54,811 --> 00:04:57,158 They got married in a big giant tree house in the forest. 79 00:05:00,921 --> 00:05:02,819 I was their best man. 80 00:05:02,923 --> 00:05:05,891 I was their bridesmaid. 81 00:05:05,995 --> 00:05:07,652 I was the ring bearer. 82 00:05:07,755 --> 00:05:10,379 They called each other big wife, little wife. 83 00:05:10,482 --> 00:05:12,933 There was a stark difference between them. 84 00:05:13,036 --> 00:05:14,210 They were happy. 85 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,350 I mean, you could see it in their faces 86 00:05:16,454 --> 00:05:20,181 when you saw them in town. 87 00:05:28,397 --> 00:05:31,538 Kylen had a job at the Moonflower Co-op, 88 00:05:31,641 --> 00:05:34,748 while Crystal was an assistant manager 89 00:05:34,851 --> 00:05:36,474 at the local McDonald's. 90 00:05:36,577 --> 00:05:39,960 And even though many would consider their lifestyle 91 00:05:40,063 --> 00:05:43,826 to be, like, subpar on the economic scale, 92 00:05:43,929 --> 00:05:45,414 they seemed very happy. 93 00:05:45,517 --> 00:05:47,485 And money did not really resonate 94 00:05:47,588 --> 00:05:48,486 to them as a necessity. 95 00:05:50,729 --> 00:05:53,698 Moab seemed to attract people who 96 00:05:53,801 --> 00:05:56,873 maybe weren't what we think of as ordinary 97 00:05:56,977 --> 00:05:58,496 or people who fit in, 98 00:05:58,599 --> 00:06:02,120 a lot of people there who were living in the van life, 99 00:06:02,223 --> 00:06:05,882 not very materialistic, almost like a little hippie community. 100 00:06:05,986 --> 00:06:07,401 People looked out for each other. 101 00:06:07,505 --> 00:06:09,334 They cared about each other. 102 00:06:09,438 --> 00:06:12,579 When they couldn't afford a place, 103 00:06:12,682 --> 00:06:15,789 that didn't bring them down. 104 00:06:15,892 --> 00:06:18,964 Kylen always had a bunny. 105 00:06:19,068 --> 00:06:21,381 Kylen loved bunny rabbits. 106 00:06:21,484 --> 00:06:23,244 If you looked at her name tag at work, 107 00:06:23,348 --> 00:06:26,800 you'd see she drew a little bunny rabbit next to her name. 108 00:06:26,903 --> 00:06:30,079 They were happy and excited and-- and-- 109 00:06:30,182 --> 00:06:33,462 and had fun living out of their van up on the mountain. 110 00:06:33,565 --> 00:06:39,882 But I believe that if they were behind a locked door, 111 00:06:39,985 --> 00:06:42,125 they would still be with us today. 112 00:06:50,271 --> 00:06:53,965 I got a call from Moonflower Co-op. 113 00:06:54,068 --> 00:06:57,278 She says, Sean-Paul, I don't know how to tell you this, 114 00:06:57,382 --> 00:07:01,386 but Kylen has pulled a no-call, no-show. 115 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:02,456 She's missing. 116 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,251 She didn't show up to work. 117 00:07:04,354 --> 00:07:08,082 And Kylen never misses work. 118 00:07:08,186 --> 00:07:11,638 And she said, wait, Sean-Paul, there's more. 119 00:07:11,741 --> 00:07:16,297 Crystal-- because when Kylen came up missing, 120 00:07:16,401 --> 00:07:17,954 we called McDonald's. 121 00:07:18,058 --> 00:07:21,026 Crystal has missed two shifts-- 122 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:25,237 no-call, no-show. 123 00:07:25,341 --> 00:07:28,068 I called the police, and I said, 124 00:07:28,171 --> 00:07:30,864 you need to put an APB out on my girls. 125 00:07:30,967 --> 00:07:32,900 And they said, there's already an ATL. 126 00:07:33,004 --> 00:07:34,315 And I said, what's an ATL? 127 00:07:34,419 --> 00:07:38,285 They said, attempt to locate. 128 00:07:38,388 --> 00:07:39,769 My name is Nate Whitney. 129 00:07:39,873 --> 00:07:41,564 I work for the Grand County Sheriff's 130 00:07:41,668 --> 00:07:43,877 Office here in Moab, Utah. 131 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:47,294 We cover the Grand County area. 132 00:07:47,397 --> 00:07:49,883 Overall, the county is fairly large. 133 00:07:49,986 --> 00:07:52,161 It's 3,600 square miles. 134 00:07:52,264 --> 00:07:54,266 Crystal and Kylen had told people 135 00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:55,923 that they worked with that they were camping 136 00:07:56,027 --> 00:07:58,650 near the Warner Lake camp area. 137 00:07:58,754 --> 00:08:01,239 Warner Lake is a 30-, 45-minute drive 138 00:08:01,342 --> 00:08:02,999 from center of Moab. 139 00:08:03,103 --> 00:08:05,277 It's just a vast area, and people have a hard time 140 00:08:05,381 --> 00:08:09,005 understanding that there's just so many places where 141 00:08:09,109 --> 00:08:12,112 these girls could have been. 142 00:08:12,215 --> 00:08:17,393 I immediately went online, and I started posting, 143 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:20,534 "All my Moab friends, keep your eyes out for the girls, 144 00:08:20,638 --> 00:08:22,018 "for the girls' van. 145 00:08:22,122 --> 00:08:24,193 They were camping up on the mountain." 146 00:08:24,296 --> 00:08:28,542 I mean, Sean-Paul put the post up on August 17th, 147 00:08:28,646 --> 00:08:32,304 and I read it that morning as I was going 148 00:08:32,408 --> 00:08:34,410 through my regular routine. 149 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:39,001 And I instantly started being told, you have to go. 150 00:08:39,104 --> 00:08:40,727 You're going. 151 00:08:40,830 --> 00:08:42,798 At the time, I called it source energy, 152 00:08:42,901 --> 00:08:45,697 because it's not like I'm hearing a voice. 153 00:08:45,801 --> 00:08:48,320 It's more of a-- 154 00:08:48,424 --> 00:08:50,909 a gut feeling sensation. 155 00:08:51,013 --> 00:08:52,877 So I finally called him and I said, 156 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:54,810 Sean-Paul, is this normal? 157 00:08:54,913 --> 00:08:57,260 Do the girls normally no-show, no-call? 158 00:08:57,364 --> 00:08:58,779 And he said, no. 159 00:08:58,883 --> 00:09:01,023 And I said, do you know where the girls are? 160 00:09:01,126 --> 00:09:02,852 And he said, no, I just know they're up in 161 00:09:02,956 --> 00:09:04,509 the La Sal somewhere. 162 00:09:07,685 --> 00:09:10,619 Cindy said, me and all my doggies 163 00:09:10,722 --> 00:09:11,999 are getting in the car, 164 00:09:12,103 --> 00:09:13,449 and we're going up on the mountain 165 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:15,347 to try to find the girls. 166 00:09:15,451 --> 00:09:19,835 These girls do not camp in a campground. 167 00:09:19,938 --> 00:09:21,664 They'll be in the woods somewhere. 168 00:09:21,768 --> 00:09:26,600 And he told me, you know, look over ravines, look over 169 00:09:26,704 --> 00:09:29,327 cliffs, look for broken taillights, 170 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:32,675 look for pieces of bumper, you know. 171 00:09:32,779 --> 00:09:36,852 So I said, I will search all day until I run out of gas 172 00:09:36,955 --> 00:09:38,647 or until it's dark. 173 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:40,683 And she would stop and show them the-- 174 00:09:40,787 --> 00:09:43,065 the pictures and say, have you seen these girls? 175 00:09:43,168 --> 00:09:45,757 They're in a silver Kia, a minivan. 176 00:09:49,968 --> 00:09:54,973 And I passed Whispering Oaks, and shortly after that, 177 00:09:55,077 --> 00:09:56,975 I went over a cattle guard. 178 00:09:57,079 --> 00:09:59,150 And that's when I saw a flash of silver. 179 00:09:59,253 --> 00:10:02,222 And so I stopped my car in the middle of the road, 180 00:10:02,325 --> 00:10:04,638 and I backed up and looked again. 181 00:10:04,742 --> 00:10:07,123 And I'm like, oh, there's a campsite down there. 182 00:10:07,227 --> 00:10:10,955 I started feeling like something was wrong. 183 00:10:11,058 --> 00:10:13,543 And I needed to hurry. 184 00:10:13,647 --> 00:10:15,649 And that's when I called Sean-Paul. 185 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:20,102 And as I was approaching, I was like, 186 00:10:20,205 --> 00:10:21,621 oh, it's a silver Kia. 187 00:10:24,002 --> 00:10:27,316 And then I turned around and I saw there was a tent. 188 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:28,904 And I said, do you see the girls? 189 00:10:29,007 --> 00:10:30,491 And she said, no. 190 00:10:30,595 --> 00:10:34,530 I then walked over to the pet enclosure 191 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:37,084 and saw that the bunny was inside. 192 00:10:37,188 --> 00:10:39,569 The bunny had no food or water. 193 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:43,159 And at that point, I started crying. 194 00:10:45,472 --> 00:10:47,060 And then she went silent. 195 00:10:47,163 --> 00:10:48,958 And I was like, Cindy, are you OK? 196 00:10:52,272 --> 00:10:55,585 That's when I saw the stream. 197 00:10:55,689 --> 00:11:01,315 And I looked to the left, and I see a body. 198 00:11:12,223 --> 00:11:13,431 Of course, I'm losing it. 199 00:11:13,534 --> 00:11:15,398 I'm in Montana, distraught. 200 00:11:15,502 --> 00:11:17,124 I'm on the floor like a puddle. 201 00:11:17,228 --> 00:11:18,401 I don't know what's going on. 202 00:11:21,335 --> 00:11:23,648 So I'm saying to myself, no, this is-- the police 203 00:11:23,752 --> 00:11:24,787 are supposed to do this. 204 00:11:24,891 --> 00:11:26,444 I'm not supposed to do this. 205 00:11:26,547 --> 00:11:31,207 Um-- 206 00:11:31,311 --> 00:11:34,694 sorry. 207 00:11:34,797 --> 00:11:41,459 So I finally tell him that there's a body in the creek. 208 00:11:41,562 --> 00:11:43,668 And he's screaming. 209 00:11:43,772 --> 00:11:45,774 She said, I see a body. 210 00:11:45,877 --> 00:11:48,708 And I was like, no-- 211 00:11:48,811 --> 00:11:50,226 I fell on the ground. 212 00:11:50,330 --> 00:11:52,159 I was crying. I was screaming. 213 00:11:52,263 --> 00:11:54,817 And he's going, is it Kylen? Is it Crystal? 214 00:11:54,921 --> 00:11:57,371 And I don't want to tell him it's Kylen. 215 00:11:57,475 --> 00:12:02,514 I know it's Kylen because she's so much bigger than Crystal. 216 00:12:02,618 --> 00:12:04,896 I tell him I don't know. 217 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,106 And I look again, and, uh-- 218 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:11,454 and then I have to tell him that it's his baby girl. 219 00:12:18,599 --> 00:12:20,153 And then I said, oh, my word, Sean, 220 00:12:20,256 --> 00:12:24,847 I have to call the police back and let them know. 221 00:12:24,951 --> 00:12:30,094 Kylen was found face down in the-- a small stream nearby. 222 00:12:30,197 --> 00:12:35,996 And Crystal's body was found a dozen yards-- 223 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:38,861 or meters-- further away. 224 00:12:38,965 --> 00:12:40,932 I said, I think she's that way. 225 00:12:41,036 --> 00:12:43,763 I don't know why I knew where she was, but I said, 226 00:12:43,866 --> 00:12:46,558 I think I know where she's at. 227 00:12:46,662 --> 00:12:49,872 As soon as Cindy Sue called 911 228 00:12:49,976 --> 00:12:52,944 and let us know that she had found the girls, 229 00:12:53,048 --> 00:12:57,777 I was immediately called up and dispatched to the location. 230 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,883 Myself and former Lieutenant Kim Neal 231 00:13:00,987 --> 00:13:02,885 started processing the scene. 232 00:13:02,989 --> 00:13:05,785 We had to do that fairly quickly because there was 233 00:13:05,888 --> 00:13:07,648 a big storm head coming in. 234 00:13:07,752 --> 00:13:09,443 We were worried it was going to wash away 235 00:13:09,547 --> 00:13:12,239 even more evidence. 236 00:13:12,343 --> 00:13:16,623 There was blood underneath the mattress in the tent, 237 00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:18,970 but not next to the mattress. 238 00:13:19,074 --> 00:13:23,630 And then I remember wondering why one body was 239 00:13:23,733 --> 00:13:25,805 in one location of the creek and the other body was in 240 00:13:25,908 --> 00:13:27,979 another location of the creek. 241 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:32,673 They both had been shot five times. 242 00:13:32,777 --> 00:13:35,642 According to their forensics, they determined 243 00:13:35,745 --> 00:13:39,439 that the two girls were shot while in their tent, 244 00:13:39,542 --> 00:13:42,545 but their bodies were found outside of the tent. 245 00:13:42,649 --> 00:13:45,894 We were behind the eight-ball the entire time. 246 00:13:45,997 --> 00:13:50,105 It turns out that the homicide happened on August 14th. 247 00:13:50,208 --> 00:13:55,558 The bodies weren't discovered till August 18th. 248 00:13:55,662 --> 00:13:58,941 We were already trying to make up for that time gap. 249 00:13:59,045 --> 00:14:01,979 We were also fighting weather conditions. 250 00:14:06,397 --> 00:14:09,987 There was a reception center nearby 251 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:11,747 where the girls were camping. 252 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:14,301 And they had surveillance footage, 253 00:14:14,405 --> 00:14:16,717 and they can see vehicles coming and going 254 00:14:16,821 --> 00:14:18,650 up and down the mountain. 255 00:14:18,754 --> 00:14:23,655 One of the vehicles that stood out to them as being unusual 256 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,693 was a black Yaris. 257 00:14:26,796 --> 00:14:32,733 The detective watching the footage of all these cars going 258 00:14:32,837 --> 00:14:36,461 on the La Sal Loop Road picked out the black Yaris, 259 00:14:36,565 --> 00:14:38,636 and for some reason, it stood out to him. 260 00:14:38,739 --> 00:14:42,433 It didn't fit in his mind, and he stuck with it. 261 00:14:42,536 --> 00:14:45,160 According to law enforcement, the girls 262 00:14:45,263 --> 00:14:47,817 got home to their tent about-- 263 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:50,130 shortly after 1:00 in the morning. 264 00:14:50,234 --> 00:14:53,962 By 11:00-something that following morning, 265 00:14:54,065 --> 00:14:56,723 the surveillance footage nearby 266 00:14:56,826 --> 00:15:02,349 at the reception center, you can hear gunfire. 267 00:15:22,956 --> 00:15:26,856 The night when Kylen and Crystal disappeared, 268 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,549 they went to Woody's Tavern for drinks. 269 00:15:29,652 --> 00:15:31,723 And there was surveillance video. 270 00:15:31,827 --> 00:15:33,760 And a lot of interest came from that 271 00:15:33,863 --> 00:15:35,935 because that was one of the last times 272 00:15:36,038 --> 00:15:39,214 that the girls were seen alive. 273 00:15:39,317 --> 00:15:41,112 Crystal and Kylen 274 00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:43,839 drive in to Woody's World-Famous Tavern, 275 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,014 which is a local hangout for a lot of people. 276 00:15:46,117 --> 00:15:49,776 They come in, according to the bartender, 277 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:51,398 you know, once or twice a month. 278 00:15:51,502 --> 00:15:53,262 They're not big drinkers. 279 00:15:53,366 --> 00:15:55,816 They're really just there to socialize with their friends. 280 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,788 Friday the 13th, the girls met up with 281 00:16:01,891 --> 00:16:05,033 some of their workmates to have a beer 282 00:16:05,136 --> 00:16:07,173 and celebrate the weekend. 283 00:16:07,276 --> 00:16:09,278 They reported to their friends 284 00:16:09,382 --> 00:16:12,109 that there was a creeper dude camping next to them. 285 00:16:14,801 --> 00:16:15,940 And they said 286 00:16:16,044 --> 00:16:18,253 there was a creeper up there 287 00:16:18,356 --> 00:16:22,015 who didn't talk to them, but was too close to them 288 00:16:22,119 --> 00:16:24,984 and made them uncomfortable. 289 00:16:25,087 --> 00:16:27,331 This is when they mentioned to people that they're 290 00:16:27,434 --> 00:16:31,128 with about this creepy guy who has not only camped 291 00:16:31,231 --> 00:16:33,337 uncomfortably close, but had actually 292 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,132 walked through their campsite and appeared 293 00:16:35,235 --> 00:16:37,341 to be looking around. 294 00:16:37,444 --> 00:16:40,827 This is the way into camp. 295 00:16:40,930 --> 00:16:43,485 Kylen and Crystal were up at their campsite 296 00:16:43,588 --> 00:16:46,419 up on the mountain, and somebody 297 00:16:46,522 --> 00:16:50,802 had howled like a wolf, and Crystal howled back. 298 00:16:50,906 --> 00:16:55,704 He had kind of ended up camping what they thought 299 00:16:55,807 --> 00:16:58,983 was too close to them, because there's 300 00:16:59,087 --> 00:17:00,640 a million acres out there. 301 00:17:00,743 --> 00:17:03,229 We don't have to be right next to each other. 302 00:17:03,332 --> 00:17:08,510 This is where Crystal and Kylen camped. 303 00:17:08,613 --> 00:17:13,791 And the creepy dude was most likely right there. 304 00:17:13,894 --> 00:17:17,898 Their friends were like, oh, Kylen and Crystal, 305 00:17:18,002 --> 00:17:19,797 don't go back up there. 306 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:23,042 And the girls were like, we're not really worried about that. 307 00:17:23,145 --> 00:17:25,044 There's two of us and one of him, 308 00:17:25,147 --> 00:17:26,976 and it's not that big of a deal. 309 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,670 And-- and back up the mountain they went. 310 00:17:30,773 --> 00:17:35,088 It was the last time anybody saw them. 311 00:17:38,022 --> 00:17:39,472 Anytime somebody is murdered, 312 00:17:39,575 --> 00:17:41,543 you look at the family, you look at friends, 313 00:17:41,646 --> 00:17:43,510 you look at the person who found them. 314 00:17:43,614 --> 00:17:46,099 You look at everybody as if they could 315 00:17:46,203 --> 00:17:48,308 potentially be a person of interest 316 00:17:48,412 --> 00:17:50,207 until you can prove they're not. 317 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:53,348 Given that we had no motive, we had to look at all motives, 318 00:17:53,451 --> 00:17:56,178 for lack of a better term. 319 00:17:56,282 --> 00:17:58,456 There were so many tips from-- 320 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,563 from people from all walks of life saying, look at this guy, 321 00:18:01,666 --> 00:18:03,047 look at this guy, look at this guy. 322 00:18:03,151 --> 00:18:05,291 And I'm sure they were just being 323 00:18:05,394 --> 00:18:07,120 pulled in multiple directions. 324 00:18:07,224 --> 00:18:08,811 Like, which way do we go? 325 00:18:08,915 --> 00:18:12,815 Right away, clues came in 326 00:18:12,919 --> 00:18:15,094 about Adam Pinkusiewicz. 327 00:18:17,199 --> 00:18:20,340 The clues were from Crystal's workmates 328 00:18:20,444 --> 00:18:22,998 from McDonald's. 329 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:26,105 Adam and Crystal worked at the same McDonald's, 330 00:18:26,208 --> 00:18:30,178 but Crystal was the morning shift, 331 00:18:30,281 --> 00:18:31,627 Adam was the night shift. 332 00:18:31,731 --> 00:18:34,492 They never worked at the same time together. 333 00:18:34,596 --> 00:18:38,496 And Adam had recently been fired from McDonald's. 334 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,982 He was a disgruntled coworker that had 335 00:18:42,086 --> 00:18:44,399 incidences at the workplace. 336 00:18:44,502 --> 00:18:47,919 He was even given a warning during a confrontation 337 00:18:48,023 --> 00:18:52,372 where he threatened to harm somebody, the manager at work. 338 00:18:52,476 --> 00:18:56,376 There were thoughts that perhaps he 339 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,104 had grudges against his boss at McDonald's because she was 340 00:19:00,208 --> 00:19:05,109 a lesbian, and that he had problems with Crystal 341 00:19:05,213 --> 00:19:06,800 because she was a lesbian and she 342 00:19:06,904 --> 00:19:08,595 was getting special treatment. 343 00:19:08,699 --> 00:19:10,459 Shortly before the murders happened, 344 00:19:10,563 --> 00:19:13,600 he's being told at one point, you've got to work faster. 345 00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:17,639 And so I think his response to that was, it's not me, right? 346 00:19:17,742 --> 00:19:20,055 It's not the fact that I'm not working faster. 347 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,678 It's the fact that I'm not a lesbian. 348 00:19:22,782 --> 00:19:24,956 I'm not these women. 349 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:27,683 They're, in some ways, discriminating against me 350 00:19:27,787 --> 00:19:29,478 because of who I am. 351 00:19:29,582 --> 00:19:33,862 And he's a gay man, and that's what he resents. 352 00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:37,279 There was a huge red flag about this Adam, 353 00:19:37,383 --> 00:19:43,872 and one of the clues said he left town without picking up 354 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:46,012 his last paycheck. 355 00:19:48,842 --> 00:19:51,604 Who doesn't pick up their final check? 356 00:19:51,707 --> 00:19:53,916 We continually tried to contact Adam, 357 00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:55,642 but we never got anything back. 358 00:19:55,746 --> 00:19:57,989 Talking to Adam's other coworkers 359 00:19:58,093 --> 00:20:00,406 at other establishments, they described 360 00:20:00,509 --> 00:20:02,718 Adam's car as a white hatchback, 361 00:20:02,822 --> 00:20:03,892 not a black hatchback. 362 00:20:05,721 --> 00:20:09,863 And because Adam Pinkusiewicz had left town so early, 363 00:20:09,967 --> 00:20:12,349 they had no idea where to look for him. 364 00:20:12,452 --> 00:20:15,628 But at the same time, he kept getting 365 00:20:15,731 --> 00:20:17,354 pushed to the back burner. 366 00:20:17,457 --> 00:20:20,219 There was such a wide spread of different suspects, 367 00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:24,637 everything from drugs, to debt, to the creeper 368 00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:26,604 dude, and even others. 369 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:42,793 For the funeral, it took us 11 days to get the girls. 370 00:20:42,896 --> 00:20:47,798 And we were not allowed to have an open casket. 371 00:20:47,901 --> 00:20:50,973 The girls had been exposed to the elements, 372 00:20:51,077 --> 00:20:53,321 the mountain, the rain, 373 00:20:53,424 --> 00:20:57,221 animals, the gunshots. 374 00:20:57,325 --> 00:21:00,466 I never got to see her, period. 375 00:21:00,569 --> 00:21:03,710 She just was gone. 376 00:21:03,814 --> 00:21:05,850 When your children are murdered, 377 00:21:05,954 --> 00:21:10,890 you're absolutely lost in the dark. 378 00:21:10,993 --> 00:21:12,823 Law enforcement has a tendency to 379 00:21:12,926 --> 00:21:15,066 button up and not share information. 380 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:18,138 So even though they may be working hard, 381 00:21:18,242 --> 00:21:22,108 that doesn't always translate well to a victim's family 382 00:21:22,211 --> 00:21:26,423 because they're not seeing what they're doing every day. 383 00:21:26,526 --> 00:21:31,531 So the day after the funeral, I said, 384 00:21:31,635 --> 00:21:34,293 I've got to go to Moab. 385 00:21:34,396 --> 00:21:37,054 I decided that what I was going to do was, 386 00:21:37,157 --> 00:21:41,058 I was actually going to try to solve the crime myself. 387 00:21:42,853 --> 00:21:47,754 I'm not going to let the crime of the two 388 00:21:47,858 --> 00:21:51,413 hippie lesbians on the mountain get swept under the rug. 389 00:21:51,517 --> 00:21:54,761 I think that the kind of people that maybe might know 390 00:21:54,865 --> 00:21:57,868 what happened are not the kind of people 391 00:21:57,971 --> 00:22:01,872 who are going to go into the police station and give clues. 392 00:22:01,975 --> 00:22:04,115 These are the kind of people who 393 00:22:04,219 --> 00:22:06,497 are-- kind of roughnecks off the street 394 00:22:06,601 --> 00:22:08,568 are who I need to talk to. 395 00:22:08,672 --> 00:22:11,157 And so I thought, I'm just going to-- 396 00:22:11,260 --> 00:22:14,194 I'm going to set up a clue booth 397 00:22:14,298 --> 00:22:16,611 every morning at 9:00. 398 00:22:16,714 --> 00:22:20,339 And I'm going to take in clues from the community 399 00:22:20,442 --> 00:22:21,961 and see what happens. 400 00:22:25,447 --> 00:22:27,587 You want all the help that you can 401 00:22:27,691 --> 00:22:31,315 from civilian population, to law enforcement, 402 00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:34,007 to anybody else, private sector investigators. 403 00:22:34,111 --> 00:22:36,493 You want all that help that you can get. 404 00:22:36,596 --> 00:22:40,842 The thing that Sean-Paul did that we really liked 405 00:22:40,945 --> 00:22:43,638 is, people would come to him who weren't comfortable coming 406 00:22:43,741 --> 00:22:45,329 to talk to law enforcement. 407 00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:47,883 Every once in a while, he was able to bring us something 408 00:22:47,987 --> 00:22:50,299 that we were able to look further into. 409 00:22:52,509 --> 00:22:55,615 I'd set up here every morning from 9:00 till 410 00:22:55,719 --> 00:22:57,652 noon to do the clue booth. 411 00:22:57,755 --> 00:23:00,862 Folks would come and tell me real clues. 412 00:23:00,965 --> 00:23:03,174 I would basically have the girls' Harley 413 00:23:03,278 --> 00:23:06,246 jackets here, and their boots. 414 00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:10,112 I'd have some rocks and some paintings and some flowers 415 00:23:10,216 --> 00:23:12,632 and a couple things hanging up, you know? 416 00:23:12,736 --> 00:23:19,467 And people were used to seeing my books, my pamphlets, my clue 417 00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:23,091 cards, and my pencils, and of course, my phone, 418 00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:25,576 because I would be texting-- 419 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,130 or literally messaging the sheriffs as they 420 00:23:28,234 --> 00:23:30,754 were giving me the clues. 421 00:23:30,857 --> 00:23:34,999 Basically, wait there all day, all afternoon, for someone 422 00:23:35,103 --> 00:23:39,383 to come forward with any tip of any kind at a park bench 423 00:23:39,487 --> 00:23:43,145 to help solve his daughter's murder. 424 00:23:43,249 --> 00:23:47,080 Over that time frame between the murder and the time 425 00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:53,086 I came on board, he had already amassed 37 different suspects. 426 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:55,606 And then, from noon till 1:00 every day, 427 00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:57,125 I would do press. 428 00:23:57,228 --> 00:24:00,197 There's not just one escape route through town. 429 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,510 He didn't go through town and stop and gas 430 00:24:02,613 --> 00:24:04,753 up and get caught on video. 431 00:24:04,857 --> 00:24:06,548 He may have. 432 00:24:06,652 --> 00:24:11,795 I just remember being amazed at his strength 433 00:24:11,898 --> 00:24:15,868 and, uh, resilience. 434 00:24:15,971 --> 00:24:22,012 I personally do not believe that Kylen and Crystal 435 00:24:22,115 --> 00:24:25,636 are resting in peace. 436 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:29,019 I was just astonished 437 00:24:29,122 --> 00:24:33,333 by his sheer determination 438 00:24:33,437 --> 00:24:36,509 to show up there every day and sit in that park 439 00:24:36,613 --> 00:24:39,754 and take clues from anybody that 440 00:24:39,857 --> 00:24:43,136 would bring him information. 441 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,828 It boggled my mind. 442 00:24:47,382 --> 00:24:49,522 There were so many tips from-- 443 00:24:49,626 --> 00:24:52,594 from people from all walks of life saying, look at this guy, 444 00:24:52,698 --> 00:24:55,079 look at this guy, look at this guy. 445 00:24:55,183 --> 00:24:58,393 I kind of had to weed through and learn how to be 446 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:02,811 an investigator and figure out what was pertinent to right 447 00:25:02,915 --> 00:25:05,987 here, right now and what was an event that happened nine years 448 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:08,437 ago that probably didn't have anything to do with-- 449 00:25:08,541 --> 00:25:10,439 with our case at all. 450 00:25:10,543 --> 00:25:13,857 But, uh, this is where I sat every morning. 451 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,826 This is where I was sitting, taking in the clues. 452 00:25:24,143 --> 00:25:26,628 Every day, clues would come in. 453 00:25:26,732 --> 00:25:28,734 So wait till you hear this. 454 00:25:28,837 --> 00:25:35,534 Crystal came to the Moonflower to pick up Kylen after work. 455 00:25:35,637 --> 00:25:39,365 And Crystal would park the van in the alley facing 456 00:25:39,468 --> 00:25:42,782 the post office and the coffee roastery place 457 00:25:42,886 --> 00:25:44,335 across the street 458 00:25:44,439 --> 00:25:46,372 that while they were sitting in the van, 459 00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:49,686 they saw a guy punch a girl in the face. 460 00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:52,481 The guy tried to drive off in the van, 461 00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:57,417 and the girl, like, dove in the window to go off with him. 462 00:25:57,521 --> 00:25:59,627 The guy on the curb right next to them 463 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:03,285 was already calling 911 and saying, 464 00:26:03,389 --> 00:26:06,081 hey, we just saw a guy punch a girl in the face, 465 00:26:06,185 --> 00:26:08,877 and off they went around the corner to the north. 466 00:26:08,981 --> 00:26:11,949 It was Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito. 467 00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:14,573 Gabby Petito never goes outside. 468 00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:20,544 They had observed Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito, 469 00:26:20,648 --> 00:26:23,582 and they had observed Brian Laundrie being 470 00:26:23,685 --> 00:26:26,861 abusive to Gabby Petito, which would 471 00:26:26,964 --> 00:26:28,656 have been extremely upsetting. 472 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:31,244 The couple had been on a cross-country van 473 00:26:31,348 --> 00:26:33,522 trip when she disappeared in August 474 00:26:33,626 --> 00:26:36,733 and he returned to Florida. 475 00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:40,460 Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito 476 00:26:40,564 --> 00:26:44,395 were in Moab the exact same weekend. 477 00:26:44,499 --> 00:26:48,779 Brian's stretching, doing some morning yoga. 478 00:26:48,883 --> 00:26:50,401 And Kylen and Crystal saw them 479 00:26:50,505 --> 00:26:54,889 interact with each other right in front of Kylen's work. 480 00:26:54,992 --> 00:26:59,410 You can't keep chocolate in Utah, not in July. 481 00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,276 Brian Laundrie was on our radar 482 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:07,867 as far as me trying to figure out who did this. 483 00:27:07,971 --> 00:27:10,318 When Brian Laundrie was first brought up, 484 00:27:10,421 --> 00:27:13,079 if you get any information that might pan out, 485 00:27:13,183 --> 00:27:14,702 you always have to go and you have 486 00:27:14,805 --> 00:27:17,359 to either eliminate somebody as a suspect or build-- 487 00:27:17,463 --> 00:27:19,568 or build evidence to support the fact 488 00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:22,364 that they are a suspect or a person of interest. 489 00:27:22,468 --> 00:27:25,920 Crystal decided to call 911. 490 00:27:26,023 --> 00:27:30,994 We know that down the road that led to law enforcement 491 00:27:31,097 --> 00:27:34,998 initiating a traffic stop of Gabby Petito 492 00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:37,517 and Brian Laundrie outside of town 493 00:27:37,621 --> 00:27:40,520 as they're headed towards the Arches National Park. 494 00:27:52,429 --> 00:27:54,811 Domestic violence in the state of Utah 495 00:27:54,914 --> 00:27:56,640 is a misdemeanor offense. 496 00:27:56,744 --> 00:27:58,780 And it's usually handled at the patrol level unless 497 00:27:58,884 --> 00:28:01,576 there's a serious bodily injury that's occurred, 498 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,372 in which case-- and sometimes, I get called out on those, 499 00:28:04,475 --> 00:28:06,029 and other times I don't. 500 00:28:06,132 --> 00:28:09,688 That being said, this case was handled by the Moab 501 00:28:09,791 --> 00:28:11,172 City Police Department. 502 00:28:20,802 --> 00:28:23,771 So it really added to the-- 503 00:28:23,874 --> 00:28:27,740 the flurry of rumor that-- 504 00:28:27,844 --> 00:28:31,157 and suspicion that maybe Brian Laundrie was responsible 505 00:28:31,261 --> 00:28:34,747 for Kylen and Crystal's death, because his girlfriend 506 00:28:34,851 --> 00:28:37,577 goes missing, he was also in town, 507 00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:39,441 these two girls go missing. 508 00:28:39,545 --> 00:28:42,444 So it just seemed like there was a nexus between it all. 509 00:28:42,548 --> 00:28:44,861 Did Brian Laundrie have something 510 00:28:44,964 --> 00:28:47,864 to do with the disappearance of these two girls 511 00:28:47,967 --> 00:28:49,210 and their subsequent murder? 512 00:28:52,972 --> 00:28:59,807 It really did kind of inspire these theories that somehow, 513 00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:04,363 maybe Kylen and Crystal had been the ones to call 911, 514 00:29:04,466 --> 00:29:07,366 that Brian Laundrie was aware of this and that he had, 515 00:29:07,469 --> 00:29:10,472 you know, gotten out of-- out of his hotel the next day 516 00:29:10,576 --> 00:29:13,096 and gone on some vendetta against 517 00:29:13,199 --> 00:29:16,513 the people who had called 911. 518 00:29:16,616 --> 00:29:19,067 So we didn't know if it was Brian Laundrie. 519 00:29:19,171 --> 00:29:20,724 Keep in mind now, I had my clue booth, 520 00:29:20,828 --> 00:29:23,692 and everything's happening all at once here. 521 00:29:23,796 --> 00:29:25,936 All of these things intersected and happened 522 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,698 at the exact same time as my girls went missing. 523 00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:40,502 They had the cell phone records. 524 00:29:40,606 --> 00:29:43,229 In the cell phone data, we were able to confirm 525 00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,957 that Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito were not in the area 526 00:29:47,061 --> 00:29:48,407 at the time of the homicide. 527 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:50,098 It is very coincidental. 528 00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:52,031 But you know, it's-- 529 00:29:52,135 --> 00:29:54,068 coincidences happen every day. 530 00:29:54,171 --> 00:29:56,449 A discovery today in the Florida nature 531 00:29:56,553 --> 00:29:59,970 reserve where Brian Laundrie was believed to be hiding. 532 00:30:00,074 --> 00:30:01,592 Investigators found what appeared 533 00:30:01,696 --> 00:30:04,388 to be human remains, along with personal items, 534 00:30:04,492 --> 00:30:06,908 such as a backpack and notebook 535 00:30:07,012 --> 00:30:08,910 belonging to Brian Laundrie. 536 00:30:15,883 --> 00:30:18,195 God forbid your children are murdered, 537 00:30:18,299 --> 00:30:20,301 this is what you're going to expect-- 538 00:30:20,404 --> 00:30:24,546 cold faces, no answers, a lot of time, 539 00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:28,619 and a whole bunch of questions. 540 00:30:38,457 --> 00:30:41,253 We decided to just hit everything 541 00:30:41,356 --> 00:30:43,462 from the very beginning really hard again. 542 00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:47,811 And we ended up getting a warrant 543 00:30:47,915 --> 00:30:50,331 and seizing Cindy Sue's phone. 544 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,162 There's a knock at the door, and my dogs, of course, 545 00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:55,198 go crazy. 546 00:30:55,301 --> 00:30:56,544 There's three of them. 547 00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:58,891 And I can't get them to calm down. 548 00:30:58,995 --> 00:31:01,652 And there's three officers standing at the front door. 549 00:31:01,756 --> 00:31:07,072 And so I get the dogs out of the way and I get outside. 550 00:31:07,175 --> 00:31:10,592 And I-- you know, they introduce themselves. 551 00:31:10,696 --> 00:31:13,319 They're from three different departments, 552 00:31:13,423 --> 00:31:17,841 these three officers, and three separate cars. 553 00:31:17,945 --> 00:31:22,363 And I, you know, was, what's going on? 554 00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:24,641 And they said, well, we're here to serve you 555 00:31:24,744 --> 00:31:25,814 with a warrant. 556 00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:28,817 And I-- I was like, what? 557 00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:30,405 For what? 558 00:31:30,509 --> 00:31:32,718 Well, you're a suspect in a murder in Moab. 559 00:31:32,821 --> 00:31:35,548 I said, I found them; I didn't kill them. 560 00:31:35,652 --> 00:31:37,896 They said, no, this says that you're a suspect 561 00:31:37,999 --> 00:31:40,243 and we're here to take your phone. 562 00:31:40,346 --> 00:31:42,728 Why are you doing this? 563 00:31:54,153 --> 00:31:55,706 When we seized Cindy Sue's phone, 564 00:31:55,810 --> 00:31:58,882 it was to make sure that what she had told us 565 00:31:58,986 --> 00:32:01,195 about her whereabouts and who she had talked to 566 00:32:01,298 --> 00:32:04,129 and what she had said was true. 567 00:32:04,232 --> 00:32:07,511 She actually took a couple of photos with her phone, 568 00:32:07,615 --> 00:32:13,517 from the road, of the crime scene to show me. 569 00:32:13,621 --> 00:32:16,037 When we were at the crime scene, 570 00:32:16,141 --> 00:32:18,902 one of the officers asked me, do you know-- because I 571 00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:20,559 took them to Kylen's body. 572 00:32:20,662 --> 00:32:22,941 And they said, do you know where Crystal is? 573 00:32:23,044 --> 00:32:26,185 And I said, no, but I believe she's that way. 574 00:32:26,289 --> 00:32:30,258 And so an officer took off and went walking that direction. 575 00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:32,951 And a few minutes later, he came walking back out, 576 00:32:33,054 --> 00:32:34,538 and he's walking really fast. 577 00:32:34,642 --> 00:32:36,713 And I said, did you find her? 578 00:32:36,816 --> 00:32:39,095 You know, because I wanted to know, was I right? 579 00:32:39,198 --> 00:32:40,751 Is that where she was? 580 00:32:40,855 --> 00:32:42,753 And he just put his hand up like this. 581 00:32:42,857 --> 00:32:44,824 And his lip was trembling and he 582 00:32:44,928 --> 00:32:47,068 just walked really fast by me. 583 00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:48,932 And I said, I didn't kill them. 584 00:32:49,036 --> 00:32:51,521 I would never kill anybody. 585 00:32:51,624 --> 00:32:54,041 They took my phone. 586 00:32:54,144 --> 00:32:58,045 And that is not only to eliminate her as a suspect 587 00:32:58,148 --> 00:33:02,394 but also to eliminate the potential for a defense 588 00:33:02,497 --> 00:33:04,361 attorney to say, well, you didn't really look 589 00:33:04,465 --> 00:33:07,537 at the person who found them. 590 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,611 Cindy Sue should have had a ticker tape parade 591 00:33:12,714 --> 00:33:16,753 and been given the key to the city, 592 00:33:16,856 --> 00:33:19,928 not treated like a suspect. 593 00:33:31,078 --> 00:33:36,083 And I was relentless to get answers, to get help, 594 00:33:36,186 --> 00:33:38,292 and to even enlist Dog the Bounty Hunter 595 00:33:38,395 --> 00:33:40,397 to come and help me. 596 00:33:40,501 --> 00:33:42,192 - 2:30, sir. - All right, god bless. 597 00:33:42,296 --> 00:33:44,125 Thank you. 598 00:33:44,229 --> 00:33:47,335 I said, please, please, please come help me. 599 00:33:47,439 --> 00:33:50,959 And he showed up, much to my surprise. 600 00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:52,237 You know, we had the world-famous 601 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,515 Dog the Bounty Hunter helping out. 602 00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:58,070 And he got a celebrity from across the country 603 00:33:58,174 --> 00:34:02,488 to come out here with a crew at their expense to-- 604 00:34:02,592 --> 00:34:05,422 to dig deep. 605 00:34:05,526 --> 00:34:08,425 When Dog the Bounty Hunter came, he put up a 1-800 606 00:34:08,529 --> 00:34:10,807 number and took in clues. 607 00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:14,431 Dog showed up and he wanted us to give them a short list 608 00:34:14,535 --> 00:34:16,709 of who we thought was the greatest 609 00:34:16,813 --> 00:34:21,024 suspects to-- to-- to go digging deep into. 610 00:34:21,128 --> 00:34:23,923 Now, we went into that meeting with Dog, 611 00:34:24,027 --> 00:34:29,998 and the very first person we mentioned was Adam. 612 00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:34,210 When Dog came, he thought it was someone else. 613 00:34:34,313 --> 00:34:38,352 He was only here two days, because law enforcement 614 00:34:38,455 --> 00:34:41,803 called me into the office and told me that they had 615 00:34:41,907 --> 00:34:43,391 figured out what had happened. 616 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,465 Law enforcement called me in. 617 00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:50,743 And JD was on my side when-- 618 00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:51,986 I thought they going to arrest him. 619 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:53,712 Grabbed me and pulled me in. 620 00:34:53,815 --> 00:34:56,197 And we thought, what's going on here? 621 00:34:56,301 --> 00:34:58,751 And they sat me down and they gave me a piece of paper. 622 00:34:58,855 --> 00:35:00,650 I read it. 623 00:35:00,753 --> 00:35:04,688 When I got halfway through, and I saw that Adam had confessed. 624 00:35:07,864 --> 00:35:11,247 We were pulling at all the strings. 625 00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:13,041 We were tugging on everything we 626 00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:14,767 could right there at the end. 627 00:35:14,871 --> 00:35:18,633 We were trying to find Adam so hard there at the end 628 00:35:18,737 --> 00:35:22,534 that we had the FBI running traces 629 00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:27,055 on any of his known associates or known possible whereabouts. 630 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,920 And we had the Utah SIAC doing the same thing. 631 00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:31,750 They came to the same conclusion, 632 00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:34,891 that he was still receiving mail in Hollywood, Florida. 633 00:35:34,994 --> 00:35:38,860 Adam Pinkusiewicz was driving a white hatchback, 634 00:35:38,964 --> 00:35:41,967 as far as we knew, and so-- 635 00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:45,039 until we got to Florida and was able to pull up 636 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,594 an old incident that Adam Pinkusiewicz was 637 00:35:48,698 --> 00:35:50,217 associated with a black Yaris. 638 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,394 We also learned a lot about Adam Pinkusiewicz. 639 00:35:55,498 --> 00:35:59,467 He also lived, according to the police, the van life. 640 00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:04,645 He was living out of his car, which was a Toyota Yaris. 641 00:36:04,748 --> 00:36:08,545 We also learned he apparently was 642 00:36:08,649 --> 00:36:12,066 a guy that was living at the same campsite 643 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,862 as Kylen and Crystal. 644 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:19,591 As far as we know, Crystal and Adam 645 00:36:19,694 --> 00:36:22,973 never actually met. 646 00:36:23,077 --> 00:36:25,424 You've got to understand that when the creeper showed up 647 00:36:25,528 --> 00:36:28,358 at their campsite, she didn't recognize him, 648 00:36:28,462 --> 00:36:32,397 didn't recognize him as a person that she worked with. 649 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:35,365 We gotta remember that this is at the tail end of COVID. 650 00:36:35,469 --> 00:36:38,299 And back then, everybody was still wearing masks, especially 651 00:36:38,403 --> 00:36:40,853 in the food industry. 652 00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:46,963 He had purchased a Glock 19, 9-millimeter handgun. 653 00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:49,552 He had bought the types of rounds that were 654 00:36:49,655 --> 00:36:52,658 used in the double murder. 655 00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:54,350 Eventually, law enforcement caught 656 00:36:54,453 --> 00:36:57,767 up with Adam Pinkusiewicz' significant other. 657 00:36:57,870 --> 00:37:01,909 When enforcement contacted him, he said, this is about a murder 658 00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,497 in Utah, isn't it? 659 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,433 And what he explained was that Adam told him 660 00:37:08,536 --> 00:37:12,402 he killed a couple of women in Utah. 661 00:37:12,506 --> 00:37:18,891 This lover of Adam's told us details about the crime scene 662 00:37:18,995 --> 00:37:22,101 that the only person who would have known these details 663 00:37:22,205 --> 00:37:24,794 was the killer themselves. 664 00:37:24,897 --> 00:37:27,417 When he was asked why he didn't report it, 665 00:37:27,521 --> 00:37:30,627 he said he was afraid of Adam, that if he 666 00:37:30,731 --> 00:37:36,288 said something, that Adam, you know, could harm him. 667 00:37:36,392 --> 00:37:40,223 But what he wasn't aware of was, by that point, 668 00:37:40,327 --> 00:37:43,226 Adam had already took his own life. 669 00:37:43,330 --> 00:37:46,298 He had actually committed suicide 670 00:37:46,402 --> 00:37:51,269 within weeks of his departure from Utah, 671 00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:53,374 from Moab. 672 00:37:53,478 --> 00:37:57,723 In fact, he took his life on September 24th of '21 673 00:37:57,827 --> 00:38:00,519 just weeks after leaving here. 674 00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:05,662 His suicide note that was found in Iowa, 675 00:38:05,766 --> 00:38:08,700 he did go on a pretty big rant. 676 00:38:08,803 --> 00:38:14,188 He indicated that he had to contend with an unhappy 677 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:15,672 work environment. 678 00:38:15,776 --> 00:38:17,778 He must not have been happy in his own skin 679 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:21,816 to have such animosity to a lesbian couple. 680 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,680 Shortly before the murders, he 681 00:38:23,784 --> 00:38:25,717 notices at one point that Crystal 682 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:26,959 has come into McDonald's. 683 00:38:27,063 --> 00:38:29,445 She's not in her work outfit, and she 684 00:38:29,548 --> 00:38:32,793 is making some sandwiches behind the counter. 685 00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:35,796 She's making some for Kylen. 686 00:38:35,899 --> 00:38:40,076 And this really aggravates Adam Pinkusiewicz. 687 00:38:40,179 --> 00:38:42,423 He thinks this is somebody who shouldn't be doing that. 688 00:38:42,527 --> 00:38:45,978 And so he goes and complains about this. 689 00:38:46,082 --> 00:38:47,773 You've got to keep in mind, 690 00:38:47,877 --> 00:38:49,879 Adam knew who these girls were. 691 00:38:49,982 --> 00:38:54,504 He had complained on them to the McDonald's management. 692 00:38:54,608 --> 00:38:56,161 They didn't know him. 693 00:38:56,264 --> 00:38:58,819 So it was a one-sided connection, almost. 694 00:38:58,922 --> 00:39:03,168 He brought up the fact that he was tired of being told 695 00:39:03,271 --> 00:39:05,481 what to do by these women. 696 00:39:05,584 --> 00:39:08,484 So I don't know if they were telling him to quiet down 697 00:39:08,587 --> 00:39:11,245 in his camp, or to stop working on his car, 698 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,247 or to stop playing his music loud at night. 699 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,800 We just don't know. 700 00:39:14,904 --> 00:39:18,390 There was a lot of disturbing discoveries 701 00:39:18,494 --> 00:39:19,943 about Adam Pinkusiewicz. 702 00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:22,290 When they were going through his phone, 703 00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:25,259 they saw that he would have notes about how 704 00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:28,089 he had these cravings to-- 705 00:39:28,193 --> 00:39:32,059 to rape and to murder people and things of that nature. 706 00:39:34,095 --> 00:39:36,443 It almost seemed to be more like, if it was a hate crime, 707 00:39:36,546 --> 00:39:40,654 it was more gender-based as opposed to sexual orientation. 708 00:39:40,757 --> 00:39:42,656 So it's, I think, more of the gender 709 00:39:42,759 --> 00:39:46,453 that he is angry and blaming as opposed 710 00:39:46,556 --> 00:39:47,626 to their sexual orientation. 711 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,321 Unfortunately for this case and for, like, 712 00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:58,085 a trial, Adam Pinkusiewicz took his life in Waterloo, Iowa. 713 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,709 And then that's when I learned the case 714 00:40:01,813 --> 00:40:03,262 was closed, not closed. 715 00:40:03,366 --> 00:40:04,919 And I'm like, I don't understand. 716 00:40:05,023 --> 00:40:07,439 How can the case be closed, not closed? 717 00:40:07,543 --> 00:40:11,547 And was told, they're still looking for DNA evidence. 718 00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:14,032 They're still looking for the gun. 719 00:40:14,135 --> 00:40:17,967 He took his life with a revolver, a different gun that 720 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,245 was used in the murder of-- 721 00:40:20,348 --> 00:40:26,044 of these two girls, which was the first thing that stood out. 722 00:40:26,147 --> 00:40:28,080 After he had committed the crimes, 723 00:40:28,184 --> 00:40:30,945 he had actually physically moved the girls, 724 00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:33,776 and must've got blood all over himself, 725 00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:37,193 and then sat in his car and fled the scene. 726 00:40:37,296 --> 00:40:39,298 Well, that blood and-- and DNA must 727 00:40:39,402 --> 00:40:42,992 have transferred to his car, into his car seat, 728 00:40:43,095 --> 00:40:44,994 down in under the covers. 729 00:40:45,097 --> 00:40:51,587 But once they found the car, it had been sold. 730 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:55,038 It had been detailed twice. 731 00:40:55,142 --> 00:40:58,525 So even though they cut apart and chopped up the seats 732 00:40:58,628 --> 00:41:01,044 and looked for DNA in the foam down 733 00:41:01,148 --> 00:41:05,359 in the bottom of those seats, all of that evidence 734 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:09,018 had already been washed away more than once. 735 00:41:09,121 --> 00:41:11,089 When we were in Florida and we found out 736 00:41:11,192 --> 00:41:12,608 that the Yaris had been sold 737 00:41:12,711 --> 00:41:15,196 and that Adam had committed suicide, 738 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,614 we were able to get ahold of Adam's family 739 00:41:18,717 --> 00:41:23,653 and was able to get them to allow us to take some of Adam's 740 00:41:23,757 --> 00:41:25,966 personal effects into custody as evidence, 741 00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:27,692 including three cell phones. 742 00:41:27,795 --> 00:41:31,730 In the cell phone data, we found the connection back 743 00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:37,046 to this individual in Iowa who ended up being Adam's lover 744 00:41:37,149 --> 00:41:39,151 and who ended up being the witness 745 00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:41,188 that he confessed to prior to his suicide. 746 00:41:43,673 --> 00:41:45,813 The most important thing from the outset 747 00:41:45,917 --> 00:41:48,229 was finding out who did it, bringing 748 00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:50,231 them to justice if at all possible, 749 00:41:50,335 --> 00:41:51,992 and closure for the family. 750 00:41:52,095 --> 00:41:56,444 You hear about cops holding on to things that they 751 00:41:56,548 --> 00:41:58,205 didn't finish for a long time. 752 00:41:58,308 --> 00:42:01,173 But at the end of the day, the closure for the family 753 00:42:01,277 --> 00:42:05,971 is way more important than the closure for the cop. 754 00:42:06,075 --> 00:42:07,317 Nate helped me. 755 00:42:07,421 --> 00:42:08,353 Nate listened to me. 756 00:42:08,456 --> 00:42:11,183 Nate took my clues seriously. 757 00:42:11,287 --> 00:42:14,670 And Nate and Al, the other sheriff, 758 00:42:14,773 --> 00:42:18,570 really went out of their way to go try to solve 759 00:42:18,674 --> 00:42:20,296 this crime and-- and-- 760 00:42:20,399 --> 00:42:23,437 and do the research across the country. 761 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:27,579 By finding them, they got to go home. 762 00:42:27,683 --> 00:42:30,962 They got to bury their daughters. 763 00:42:31,065 --> 00:42:33,309 And they got to know what happened. 764 00:42:33,412 --> 00:42:35,863 As tragic as it was, they weren't 765 00:42:35,967 --> 00:42:37,796 left with those questions looming 766 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:43,181 over them, which so many families have to deal with. 767 00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:48,013 God forbid your children get murdered. 768 00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:50,775 I would not wish it on my worst enemy. 769 00:42:50,878 --> 00:42:56,919 By far, the most distraught loss you could ever go through 770 00:42:57,022 --> 00:43:02,372 is a child and a parent dying in the wrong order, 771 00:43:02,476 --> 00:43:05,859 OK, especially murder. 772 00:43:05,962 --> 00:43:11,830 I watched the light shine from inside 773 00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:14,522 out of Kylen and Crystal. 774 00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:18,906 I was absolutely thrilled and supportive of 775 00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:21,391 their wonderful relationship. 776 00:43:32,023 --> 00:43:33,507 It came out over the radio. 777 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:35,302 A big, serious police call comes out. 778 00:43:39,409 --> 00:43:42,999 She wins a number of military honors and distinctions 779 00:43:43,103 --> 00:43:44,829 when she is in Iraq. 780 00:43:44,932 --> 00:43:46,658 He was watching her. 781 00:43:46,762 --> 00:43:49,005 It initially sounded like, perhaps, a school shooting. 782 00:43:50,593 --> 00:43:51,905 You immediately assume the worst.