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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,918 --> 00:00:03,712 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:03,795 --> 00:00:10,928 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:35,452 ‐ It's not unusual for people that have been assaulted 4 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:38,872 not to talk about this for years. 5 00:00:38,956 --> 00:00:43,502 I didn't unpack this until... 6 00:00:43,627 --> 00:00:45,963 July, 2019, 7 00:00:46,088 --> 00:00:49,132 when he had been arrested. 8 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,552 There had been a callout in the news 9 00:00:51,677 --> 00:00:55,013 looking for witnesses, and... 10 00:00:55,138 --> 00:00:56,515 that's when I made the call 11 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:59,059 and told my story 12 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:00,978 for the first time in 20 years 13 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:03,981 to an FBI agent. 14 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:07,025 I never wanted to discuss 15 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:08,777 what happened to me, 16 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:10,821 with my husband or with anyone. 17 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:14,157 It wasn't easy, but it was the right thing to do. 18 00:01:14,283 --> 00:01:17,286 The rest is history, really. 19 00:01:17,369 --> 00:01:23,542 ♪ ♪ 20 00:01:23,667 --> 00:01:26,211 ‐ Jeffrey Epstein is dead after being found unresponsive 21 00:01:26,336 --> 00:01:28,672 at a New York City jail Saturday morning. 22 00:01:28,797 --> 00:01:30,966 Officials say that his death was an apparent suicide. 23 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:33,010 ♪ ♪ 24 00:01:33,135 --> 00:01:35,429 ‐ Killing himself allowed Jeffrey Epstein to, 25 00:01:35,512 --> 00:01:37,931 in a final way, say, "Screw you. 26 00:01:38,015 --> 00:01:40,434 I get the last laugh." 27 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:42,603 It just fits with everything we know about him 28 00:01:42,686 --> 00:01:45,522 to maintain control right till the end. 29 00:01:45,647 --> 00:01:47,482 You know, that final twist of the knife. 30 00:01:47,566 --> 00:01:49,985 "I'm not gonna let you get what you want, 31 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:51,653 which is seeing me in court." 32 00:01:51,737 --> 00:01:54,865 ♪ ♪ 33 00:01:54,990 --> 00:01:58,160 ‐ Felt so... 34 00:01:58,243 --> 00:02:01,204 like, let down that I didn't get the chance 35 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:02,456 to take away his freedom 36 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:05,125 the way he took away my freedom. 37 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:07,127 Yeah, I would've just liked to look in his eyes 38 00:02:07,252 --> 00:02:11,340 and let him know who he is, the monster that he is. 39 00:02:11,465 --> 00:02:14,926 ‐ Honestly, I don't know now what I would say to him now. 40 00:02:15,010 --> 00:02:18,305 I guess there's a lot of anger, and there's just so much hurt, 41 00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:20,641 and I just think everything was ripped from me. 42 00:02:20,724 --> 00:02:24,853 ♪ ♪ 43 00:02:24,936 --> 00:02:26,355 ‐ It's been rough, you know? 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,982 I am still processing a lot 45 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:32,319 and still have an immense amount of anger, 46 00:02:32,444 --> 00:02:33,570 you know, and some of which 47 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:35,280 I don't even know what to do with 48 00:02:35,364 --> 00:02:38,325 because it's at him and he's not here anymore, 49 00:02:38,367 --> 00:02:41,036 so it's like, where does it go? 50 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:48,210 ♪ ♪ 51 00:02:56,510 --> 00:03:01,181 ♪ ♪ 52 00:03:01,306 --> 00:03:02,808 ‐ We're not gonna do any questions right now. 53 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:05,060 Sorry. 54 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,145 ‐ More than a dozen alleged victims 55 00:03:07,229 --> 00:03:09,398 of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein 56 00:03:09,523 --> 00:03:11,817 finally had their day in court. 57 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:15,320 ‐ Judge Berman held a hearing that was really unprecedented 58 00:03:15,404 --> 00:03:18,782 because it allowed the victims to come forward 59 00:03:18,865 --> 00:03:20,325 and be heard by the court 60 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,869 and talk about the abuse that they had suffered 61 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:26,123 when the perpetrator had actually already died, 62 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:28,333 and that was something that, in my career, 63 00:03:28,458 --> 00:03:30,460 I had never seen happen before. 64 00:03:30,585 --> 00:03:32,129 ♪ ♪ 65 00:03:32,254 --> 00:03:34,047 ‐ I thought that was fantastic, 66 00:03:34,131 --> 00:03:36,758 and I got on the first plane I could 67 00:03:36,842 --> 00:03:39,720 and flew out to New York. 68 00:03:39,803 --> 00:03:43,140 ‐ Judge Berman‐‐ he really stood up for us 69 00:03:43,265 --> 00:03:46,518 and tried to make a horrible situation right 70 00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:49,479 in a way, I guess. 71 00:03:49,521 --> 00:03:52,774 ‐ I wanted to be there and see that I wasn't alone. 72 00:03:52,858 --> 00:03:57,070 I wanted to put faces to these girls, 73 00:03:57,195 --> 00:03:58,655 to show that they were humans, 74 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,992 that these weren't just stories on paper. 75 00:04:02,117 --> 00:04:05,579 ♪ ♪ 76 00:04:05,704 --> 00:04:07,831 ‐ It was exceptionally powerful 77 00:04:07,956 --> 00:04:09,583 being in that courthouse. 78 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:12,502 Row after row after row of women. 79 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:15,505 Row after row of survivors. 80 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:19,134 And when it was time for us to stand up, 81 00:04:19,217 --> 00:04:22,137 there's a crowd of us, a crowd, 82 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:24,473 waiting to go up there and speak. 83 00:04:24,598 --> 00:04:26,725 ♪ ♪ 84 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:28,643 ‐ Each person was going up one by one. 85 00:04:28,727 --> 00:04:30,520 It's like, "Okay, these are people. 86 00:04:30,645 --> 00:04:33,398 These are live, living people that this happened to." 87 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:37,110 And everybody's story was my story, you know, 88 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:38,403 and it's like‐‐ 89 00:04:38,528 --> 00:04:41,865 it was just a weird bond that we all have. 90 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:44,701 ‐ To honestly hear them get up 91 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:47,496 and share was intense. 92 00:04:47,621 --> 00:04:50,457 I have never felt so bonded 93 00:04:50,540 --> 00:04:53,460 with people that I didn't even know. 94 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:56,004 ‐ For the first time, I met my survivor sisters. 95 00:04:56,129 --> 00:04:57,297 And I call 'em sisters 96 00:04:57,422 --> 00:04:58,840 because that's what they are to me, 97 00:04:58,965 --> 00:05:00,967 and I love them so much. 98 00:05:01,092 --> 00:05:03,470 I love them like a sister. 99 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:08,141 ‐ These are some of the most incredibly strong women 100 00:05:08,225 --> 00:05:11,019 that I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. 101 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:13,271 ‐ It was very emotional. 102 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:14,981 It was also very comforting and very healing 103 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:16,983 at the same time. 104 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:18,819 ♪ ♪ 105 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:22,656 ‐ After the court hearing, this girl runs and hugs me. 106 00:05:22,697 --> 00:05:24,157 Oh, make me cry. 107 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:25,700 Hold on. 108 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:28,870 And she's like, "Oh, you don't know who I am, 109 00:05:28,954 --> 00:05:31,498 "you don't know who I am, but I know who you are, 110 00:05:31,581 --> 00:05:34,334 "and thank you, you know, for having a voice 111 00:05:34,459 --> 00:05:35,961 when I couldn't find mine." 112 00:05:36,044 --> 00:05:38,588 ♪ ♪ 113 00:05:38,672 --> 00:05:41,258 Standing up for not just myself, 114 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:43,301 but other women, 115 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:46,137 has just made me feel more empowered 116 00:05:46,221 --> 00:05:47,931 and stronger. 117 00:05:48,014 --> 00:05:49,224 ♪ ♪ 118 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:50,809 ‐ Back when this was happening, 119 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:53,645 it was really the beginning of that awakening 120 00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:56,857 of female empowerment and, really, a voice 121 00:05:56,982 --> 00:05:58,733 for women to come forward. 122 00:05:58,817 --> 00:06:03,405 Powerful men were seen as people that we should revere 123 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,031 and people we shouldn't question, 124 00:06:05,115 --> 00:06:07,951 especially men not only in positions of power, 125 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:09,619 but with money. 126 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:12,247 And these young girls didn't have that voice back then. 127 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:14,374 ‐ Madame Speaker, 128 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:16,751 the President of the United States. 129 00:06:16,835 --> 00:06:19,629 [cheers and applause] 130 00:06:19,713 --> 00:06:21,089 ‐ Jackie Speier is a congresswoman 131 00:06:21,172 --> 00:06:22,757 from California. 132 00:06:22,841 --> 00:06:25,760 She reaches out to my attorney, Brad Edwards, 133 00:06:25,844 --> 00:06:29,598 and says that she wants to invite me as her plus one 134 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:32,100 to the State of the Union. 135 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:33,518 [cheers and applause] 136 00:06:33,602 --> 00:06:36,646 First off, it's super intimidating. 137 00:06:36,771 --> 00:06:40,775 I'm just‐‐I'm a mother, I work at a sports bar, 138 00:06:40,859 --> 00:06:44,446 I'm just, like, a real normal, normal person. 139 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:46,990 ‐ Our spirit is still young. 140 00:06:47,073 --> 00:06:49,242 The sun is still rising. 141 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:53,413 God's grace is still shining. 142 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:55,624 And, my fellow Americans, 143 00:06:55,707 --> 00:06:58,627 the best is yet to come. 144 00:06:58,710 --> 00:07:01,004 Thank you very much. [cheers and applause] 145 00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:03,548 ♪ ♪ 146 00:07:03,632 --> 00:07:05,091 ‐ Jackie Speier says, you know, 147 00:07:05,175 --> 00:07:07,427 "I just want to say that you are so brave," 148 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:10,680 and then she expresses that she was a victim 149 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:14,809 of sexual abuse by her former boss 150 00:07:14,935 --> 00:07:18,146 and she wouldn't have been able to come out the way I did, 151 00:07:18,229 --> 00:07:20,440 and she commends me for it. 152 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:22,776 So it's just mind‐blowing, because you're like, 153 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:25,570 "Okay, here's this big, important person in my eyes, 154 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:28,490 "but we share a mutual‐‐ 155 00:07:28,531 --> 00:07:32,202 you know, a mutual thing." 156 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:35,038 ‐ The bread and butter of what I do 157 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,498 usually doesn't make the news 158 00:07:36,623 --> 00:07:38,875 because the people aren't rich and famous, 159 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:42,253 but the power differential always exists. 160 00:07:42,337 --> 00:07:45,507 The predator always has 161 00:07:45,632 --> 00:07:48,969 physical and/or psychological control 162 00:07:49,052 --> 00:07:50,595 over the victims, 163 00:07:50,679 --> 00:07:53,932 but rich and famous men somehow use 164 00:07:54,015 --> 00:07:56,184 their fame and fortune 165 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:57,644 to evade detection. 166 00:07:57,727 --> 00:08:02,899 ♪ ♪ 167 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,318 ‐ I was convinced 168 00:08:05,402 --> 00:08:08,238 that I had to remain anonymous. 169 00:08:08,363 --> 00:08:10,740 I had heard that there were threats 170 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,659 against some of the accusers before, 171 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:14,703 he had hired people to intimidate them, 172 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:17,288 and I couldn't deal with any of that. 173 00:08:17,372 --> 00:08:19,666 ♪ ♪ 174 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:23,461 My therapist says that certain memories come back 175 00:08:23,545 --> 00:08:26,089 if you go to the place where the trauma occurred. 176 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:31,511 ♪ ♪ 177 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:34,639 It seemed a lot bigger back then. 178 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:37,851 But I can see myself standing there at 19... 179 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:39,894 ♪ ♪ 180 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:42,647 And waiting for the maid to answer the door. 181 00:08:42,772 --> 00:08:45,483 [buzzes] 182 00:08:45,608 --> 00:08:47,902 And feeling pretty overwhelmed. 183 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,988 You know, that moment where she shut the door... 184 00:08:50,071 --> 00:08:52,657 ♪ ♪ 185 00:08:52,741 --> 00:08:54,701 And that feeling of being trapped. 186 00:08:54,826 --> 00:08:58,204 [distant siren wailing] 187 00:08:58,329 --> 00:09:02,000 It's ironic that he had so many security cameras 188 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:06,171 as if he was going to be hurt or threatened by someone, 189 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:09,924 when he was the monster. 190 00:09:10,008 --> 00:09:13,303 It was everyone else that needed to be protected. 191 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:15,638 The more stories that I heard about these women, 192 00:09:15,722 --> 00:09:16,973 by listening to them‐‐ 193 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:18,975 this is helping me tremendously 194 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:21,269 'cause now, I don't feel like I'm the only one, you know? 195 00:09:21,352 --> 00:09:25,148 And slowly but surely, then became more comfortable 196 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:26,524 with the idea of being‐‐ 197 00:09:26,649 --> 00:09:28,651 you know, going public with my story 198 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:30,904 in the hopes of helping someone, you know, 199 00:09:31,029 --> 00:09:32,822 even one person. 200 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:35,325 And that became a very clear purpose 201 00:09:35,450 --> 00:09:36,868 in my mind. 202 00:09:36,951 --> 00:09:38,578 ‐ Um, it makes me sick to my stomach 203 00:09:38,703 --> 00:09:40,413 that there's perpetrators out there 204 00:09:40,538 --> 00:09:43,166 that obviously helped him in many ways 205 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:45,543 for a very long time, and they're still out there 206 00:09:45,668 --> 00:09:47,837 with no punishment. 207 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:49,506 ♪ ♪ 208 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:52,133 ‐ She said she had sex with you three times. 209 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:54,719 ♪ ♪ 210 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:57,514 ‐ No. 211 00:09:57,639 --> 00:09:59,599 ‐ No to all of it? ‐ All of it. 212 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:01,726 ‐ Prince Andrew of the royal family 213 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:04,687 had a very close relationship to Epstein, 214 00:10:04,771 --> 00:10:08,608 and he knows some crucial information 215 00:10:08,691 --> 00:10:12,654 to help bring other people down, 216 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:15,281 people that need to face justice. 217 00:10:15,365 --> 00:10:17,784 ‐ Good morning. 218 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:19,911 ‐ Through my lawyer, Lisa Bloom, 219 00:10:20,036 --> 00:10:22,497 I have filed a lawsuit against the Epstein estate 220 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,624 demanding justice. 221 00:10:24,707 --> 00:10:26,251 We have also insisted 222 00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:29,129 that Epstein's longtime friend Prince Andrew cooperate 223 00:10:29,254 --> 00:10:32,006 with law enforcement. 224 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:36,386 Of all people, you had the power to influence 225 00:10:36,511 --> 00:10:39,180 and to say something, yet you didn't. 226 00:10:39,305 --> 00:10:42,725 I can't help but think I could've been spared, 227 00:10:42,851 --> 00:10:45,311 and potentially hundreds of other children 228 00:10:45,395 --> 00:10:48,064 and young women. 229 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:52,110 The fact that he is not cooperating with the FBI 230 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:55,280 is really infuriating. 231 00:10:55,363 --> 00:10:57,657 Why? Why? 232 00:10:57,740 --> 00:10:59,159 Why wouldn't you? 233 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,161 ♪ ♪ 234 00:11:01,286 --> 00:11:04,122 I want to be hopeful, and I want to be optimistic, 235 00:11:04,205 --> 00:11:06,541 but I think historically, you know, 236 00:11:06,666 --> 00:11:10,795 we've seen so many people in positions of power 237 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:13,798 that have gotten away with things 238 00:11:13,882 --> 00:11:16,176 and not held accountable. 239 00:11:16,301 --> 00:11:19,679 So I'm not sure that anything's gonna change, 240 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:23,391 but it's worth a try. 241 00:11:23,474 --> 00:11:24,809 ‐ We need to get to the bottom 242 00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:27,061 of everybody who was involved with that, 243 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:28,897 starting with Ghislaine Maxwell, 244 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:31,983 and I won't stop fighting, I will never be silenced 245 00:11:32,066 --> 00:11:34,027 until these people are brought to justice. 246 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:38,156 ♪ ♪ 247 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:46,039 ♪ ♪ 248 00:12:02,347 --> 00:12:03,848 ‐ In Epstein's absence, 249 00:12:03,932 --> 00:12:06,768 I think Ghislaine is the number one target. 250 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:10,521 She is absolutely central to this operation. 251 00:12:10,647 --> 00:12:13,149 She was the lieutenant. 252 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:16,152 She saw everything that went on for decades. 253 00:12:16,277 --> 00:12:17,654 There's a lot of unanswered questions 254 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:19,697 about Ghislaine's motivation, 255 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,742 but I think Ghislaine wanted to make him happy. 256 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,244 I mean, I don't think it's a leap 257 00:12:24,369 --> 00:12:26,162 to sort of see parallels 258 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:28,206 between her making her father happy 259 00:12:28,331 --> 00:12:29,666 and making Epstein happy. 260 00:12:29,707 --> 00:12:31,584 [dramatic music] 261 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:33,836 ‐ Her father was Robert Maxwell, 262 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,464 the famous press baron 263 00:12:36,547 --> 00:12:38,132 who had a reputation 264 00:12:38,216 --> 00:12:42,053 as kind of a swashbuckling rogue. 265 00:12:42,178 --> 00:12:45,515 ‐ Her father was a ruthless, tyrannical bully. 266 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,642 Ghislaine was more of a friend to him. 267 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,060 People said they had 268 00:12:49,185 --> 00:12:51,896 an unusually close relationship. 269 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:53,690 The behaviors she learned from him 270 00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:57,944 were to be manipulative, controlling, entitled, 271 00:12:58,027 --> 00:13:02,156 and what happened next shaped Ghislaine's life. 272 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:07,829 ♪ ♪ 273 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:09,831 ‐ After a night aboard the fateful yacht 274 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:11,833 her father named after her, 275 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:14,294 Ghislaine Maxwell appeared to read a statement 276 00:13:14,377 --> 00:13:15,920 on behalf of the family. 277 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:19,590 ‐ I want to take this opportunity 278 00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:24,012 to thank all the many hundreds of people... 279 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:29,600 Who have sent messages of support 280 00:13:29,684 --> 00:13:31,394 to us 281 00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:35,523 at this very, very sad time. 282 00:13:35,648 --> 00:13:37,859 Thank you. 283 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,153 ‐ After Maxwell died, it turned out 284 00:13:40,236 --> 00:13:43,489 that his company was in serious financial problems, 285 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:44,991 and not only that, 286 00:13:45,074 --> 00:13:46,659 he'd been looting the pension funds 287 00:13:46,743 --> 00:13:48,369 to basically keep the business afloat. 288 00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:50,163 At the time, it was the biggest fraud of its kind 289 00:13:50,246 --> 00:13:52,248 in the country. 290 00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:55,126 So under this huge cloud, Ghislaine moves to America. 291 00:13:55,209 --> 00:13:56,836 ♪ ♪ 292 00:13:56,961 --> 00:13:59,380 She needed someone to keep her in the lifestyle 293 00:13:59,505 --> 00:14:01,090 she was accustomed to, 294 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:03,634 and that ultimately then led to Jeffrey Epstein. 295 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,137 ♪ ♪ 296 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:09,932 ‐ She was a daughter of a very powerful man, 297 00:14:10,016 --> 00:14:13,311 so that opened a lot of doors for her, obviously. 298 00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:17,815 When Jeffrey and Ghislaine met, 299 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,777 she had the contacts, he had the money. 300 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,780 It was kind of a perfect union. 301 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,741 They gave each other something that the other one didn't have. 302 00:14:26,824 --> 00:14:28,743 ♪ ♪ 303 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:30,828 ‐ I remember Ghislaine telling me 304 00:14:30,953 --> 00:14:34,165 that Jeffrey had grown up in Brooklyn 305 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:36,000 and was from a poor background 306 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:39,962 and he had made this astonishing success. 307 00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:41,631 No one could ever figure out 308 00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:43,132 quite where the money came from. 309 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,967 He had this kind of persona 310 00:14:45,093 --> 00:14:49,347 of almost, like, a James Bond villain. 311 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:50,723 ♪ ♪ 312 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:53,017 Jeffrey cultivated this image 313 00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:55,061 of a international man of mystery 314 00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:58,898 and Ghislaine as his accomplice 315 00:14:59,023 --> 00:15:00,650 and chief promoter. 316 00:15:00,691 --> 00:15:03,486 ♪ ♪ 317 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:05,446 ‐ When I saw them together, 318 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:08,199 they looked super happy and in love. 319 00:15:08,324 --> 00:15:11,119 Didn't seem there was any other people 320 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:12,495 in the relationship at all. 321 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:15,498 ♪ ♪ 322 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:17,500 ‐ People were puzzled 323 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,420 by the relationship between Ghislaine and Jeffrey 324 00:15:20,503 --> 00:15:21,712 because the rumors were, 325 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:25,091 Ghislaine was scouring New York, 326 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:27,635 finding younger girls 327 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:29,554 to go on dates with Jeffrey. 328 00:15:29,679 --> 00:15:31,931 At the time, it seemed sort of... 329 00:15:32,014 --> 00:15:33,474 a bit naughty. 330 00:15:33,558 --> 00:15:38,896 ♪ ♪ 331 00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:40,314 A friend of mine was at a party, 332 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,817 and Ghislaine said, "Oh, my God, who's that?", 333 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:47,071 and was looking at this pretty, younger, 334 00:15:47,196 --> 00:15:48,990 sort of teenage girl, 335 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:52,160 and she said, "Do you know her?" 336 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:55,705 My friend said, "Yeah. She's called Paris Hilton." 337 00:15:55,788 --> 00:15:57,748 ♪ ♪ 338 00:15:57,874 --> 00:15:59,333 And Ghislaine said‐‐ [gasps] 339 00:15:59,417 --> 00:16:00,835 "God, she'd be perfect for Jeffrey. 340 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,588 Could you introduce us?" 341 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:05,965 ‐ Ghislaine was an entrée 342 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:09,469 for Jeffrey Epstein to meet some of these women. 343 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:10,803 So it may have been 344 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:12,722 a mutually parasitic relationship. 345 00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:14,223 I don't know. 346 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:16,684 I don't think that there's any evidence 347 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:18,394 that Jeffrey Epstein was capable 348 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,063 of having any deep feelings for anybody, 349 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:24,525 but that doesn't mean that he doesn't know 350 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,570 a good exchange relationship when he finds one. 351 00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:29,780 ♪ ♪ 352 00:16:29,864 --> 00:16:31,240 ‐ Ghislaine was very comfortable 353 00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:32,867 with going out and recruiting girls. 354 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:35,369 She did it smashingly well, 355 00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:37,288 particularly in those early years. 356 00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:39,415 ♪ ♪ 357 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:43,127 ‐ I met Jeffrey through Ghislaine. 358 00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:45,838 I was around 18, 19 years old. 359 00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:47,840 ♪ ♪ 360 00:16:47,965 --> 00:16:49,717 I was working as a model at the time, 361 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,761 and I was going to New York a lot. 362 00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:53,346 She had said to me, 363 00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:55,515 "Oh, you know, Jeffrey has a couple of apartments, 364 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:58,726 "and if you ever wanna stay, like, just let me know, 365 00:16:58,809 --> 00:17:00,353 "and I can arrange it. 366 00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:02,021 "I'll have my driver pick you up 367 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,565 and everything organized." 368 00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:08,486 You know, what 18‐, 19‐year old doesn't jump onto that offer? 369 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:11,197 ♪ ♪ 370 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,574 ‐ A lot of the models would be housed 371 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:15,618 at an apartment on the Upper East Side 372 00:17:15,701 --> 00:17:18,204 that was owned by Epstein's brother, Mark. 373 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:22,333 In Epstein's black book, it was actually referred to 374 00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:24,335 as "apartment for models." 375 00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:26,462 ♪ ♪ 376 00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:29,215 It gave him another layer of privacy. 377 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,927 It meant that there was no one to ask awkward questions 378 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:34,595 when young girls were coming and going, 379 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:35,638 models were coming and going. 380 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:37,807 ♪ ♪ 381 00:17:37,932 --> 00:17:39,475 ‐ At the apartment building, 382 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:42,395 I didn't feel that comfortable there from the beginning, 383 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,523 and I couldn't pinpoint what it was. 384 00:17:45,648 --> 00:17:46,983 Just didn't feel right. 385 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:49,026 ♪ ♪ 386 00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:51,904 I didn't feel secure in there, 387 00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:54,824 like someone was listening in, 388 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:57,493 like I was being watched, 389 00:17:57,618 --> 00:18:00,788 to the point where I actually moved out 390 00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:02,498 because of that reason. 391 00:18:02,623 --> 00:18:05,376 ♪ ♪ 392 00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:08,629 But I stayed in touch with Ghislaine afterwards. 393 00:18:08,713 --> 00:18:11,215 You know, I probably met some of these girls 394 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:14,468 without realizing how lucky I'd been, you know, 395 00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:17,263 that I completely got away with it 396 00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:20,558 and didn't have to go through any of that abuse. 397 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:23,811 ‐ As the women started coming forward, 398 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:25,229 I just couldn't believe 399 00:18:25,313 --> 00:18:26,981 how many young women there were. 400 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:29,150 I could‐‐ I believe their stories 401 00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:30,818 because it was very similar 402 00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:32,570 to a lot of my friends' stories, 403 00:18:32,653 --> 00:18:34,989 and they... 404 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,158 you could tell they were telling the truth. 405 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:38,909 There were a lot of women coming forward, 406 00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:41,996 but there were so many more that didn't wanna talk, 407 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:44,290 because it's not an easy thing to talk about, 408 00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:45,916 and we've already learned 409 00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:47,960 when you go up against powerful people, 410 00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:51,130 a lot of people don't believe you. 411 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,133 ‐ For someone to be able to speak out 412 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:57,470 to someone with that kind of money and power 413 00:18:57,595 --> 00:18:59,388 is really hard, 414 00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:02,975 'cause they can just literally destroy your whole family 415 00:19:03,059 --> 00:19:04,644 if you say something against him. 416 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:06,562 ♪ ♪ 417 00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:08,981 I think I was maybe saved from this 418 00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:11,150 because I already was, 419 00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:13,861 like, a public name in England. 420 00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:16,030 I could've run to a newspaper easily. 421 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:18,157 Like, these newspapers wouldn't have believed 422 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,450 these other girls, 423 00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:22,370 but if I'd done it, they would've. 424 00:19:24,038 --> 00:19:25,956 ♪ ♪ 425 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,292 ‐ Within four, five years 426 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,419 of them meeting for the first time, 427 00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:33,422 Ghislaine and Epstein working together 428 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,883 as one unit to recruit and traffic girls 429 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:39,679 is a pretty solidly‐oiled machine. 430 00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:43,683 We don't know who came up with the idea for doing this. 431 00:19:43,808 --> 00:19:45,393 ♪ ♪ 432 00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:48,270 To stay by someone's side for so long, 433 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:49,980 I think you're looking at a really kind of basic 434 00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:52,316 and simple urge. 435 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:54,068 She wanted his approval, 436 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:57,238 and if it took doing this to kinda keep him happy, 437 00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:58,781 then that's what she would do. 438 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:00,491 ‐ She was power‐hungry, 439 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:04,120 you know, 'cause she had to be subservient to Jeffrey. 440 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,872 Jeffrey was like her new daddy. 441 00:20:06,997 --> 00:20:11,585 ♪ ♪ 442 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:15,631 Once, in 2002, 443 00:20:15,715 --> 00:20:19,135 I was on the island with them alone, 444 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:22,513 and Ghislaine says, "I really wanna talk to you. 445 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:25,141 Me and Jeffrey have something that we wanna ask you." 446 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:28,853 And they asked me to... 447 00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,105 carry a baby for them, 448 00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:33,399 and... 449 00:20:33,524 --> 00:20:36,652 I was 19, I was naive, 450 00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:41,073 but I already knew in my heart of hearts that... 451 00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:42,658 I would‐‐I could never. 452 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:46,620 I would never and I could never give these people a baby. 453 00:20:46,704 --> 00:20:48,122 ‐ So sordid, 454 00:20:48,205 --> 00:20:50,958 so...so monstrous, 455 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:52,376 and so different 456 00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:55,463 from the Ghislaine we thought we knew. 457 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:59,425 ♪ ♪ 458 00:21:02,678 --> 00:21:04,638 [dramatic music] 459 00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:07,892 ‐ I had hopes when Epstein got arrested 460 00:21:08,017 --> 00:21:10,352 that Ghislaine would be next. 461 00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:12,813 I started to lose faith 462 00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:14,732 because it's nearly a year 463 00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:18,486 since Epstein's incarceration and death. 464 00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:20,738 You know, there was always that looming thought 465 00:21:20,863 --> 00:21:22,948 of, "She probably won't get arrested," 466 00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:25,159 but there was that hope, 467 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,827 and hope is a very strong thing. 468 00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:29,830 [siren wailing] 469 00:21:29,914 --> 00:21:32,917 ♪ ♪ 470 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,337 ‐ Some major breaking news just into our newsroom. 471 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:40,132 Ghislaine Maxwell is in federal custody. 472 00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:42,343 ♪ ♪ 473 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,179 ‐ At 8:30 this morning, she was arrested 474 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:46,972 in Bradford, New Hampshire. 475 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:51,769 ♪ ♪ 476 00:21:51,852 --> 00:21:54,104 [sirens wailing] 477 00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:56,649 [helicopter whirring] 478 00:21:56,774 --> 00:22:03,280 ♪ ♪ 479 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:08,786 ‐ Well, Ghislaine was arrested this morning in New Hampshire, 480 00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:10,162 and right now, 481 00:22:10,287 --> 00:22:11,539 there's a press conference going on 482 00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,499 with the announcement of the charges, 483 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:16,627 and the indictment is being released. 484 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,754 ‐ Thanks, man. Thank you very much. 485 00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:20,923 [people chatting] 486 00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:24,301 ‐ Today, we announce charges against Ghislaine Maxwell 487 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:26,971 for helping Jeffrey Epstein 488 00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,348 sexually exploit and abuse 489 00:22:29,473 --> 00:22:32,101 multiple minor girls 490 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,395 from the period of 1994 491 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,022 through 1997. 492 00:22:37,147 --> 00:22:38,482 In some cases, 493 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:42,278 Maxwell participated in the abuse herself. 494 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:43,612 ‐ Maxwell slithered away 495 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,823 to a gorgeous property in New Hampshire, 496 00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:48,117 continuing to live a life of privilege 497 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,660 while her victims live with the trauma 498 00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:51,620 inflicted upon them years ago. 499 00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:54,373 ♪ ♪ 500 00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:56,417 ‐ This is a huge day for this story 501 00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:58,127 and a huge day for the victims. 502 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,463 It was beginning to feel like there was gonna be no justice, 503 00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:04,133 there was, you know, no criminal case, 504 00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,427 and that it was just gonna go away like it did before. 505 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:08,345 Surprised and very happy for the victims, 506 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:10,347 because I think the evidence against Ghislaine is‐‐ 507 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:11,974 it's overwhelming. 508 00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:18,647 ‐ It's 11:07 p. m. 509 00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:20,816 Sigrid calls me, and she's like, 510 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,693 "You're not gonna believe this. 511 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,154 Maxwell has been arrested." 512 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,323 ♪ ♪ 513 00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:29,575 It was a happier moment for me 514 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,661 than even when Epstein was arrested. 515 00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:34,538 ‐ We both just cried together. 516 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:37,583 I will tell you, for her and this journey, 517 00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:40,085 she has risked so much 518 00:23:40,169 --> 00:23:43,422 to come forward and be brave over the last several years 519 00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,049 and tell her story, 520 00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,968 and Ghislaine was walking the streets unpunished. 521 00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:52,014 ♪ ♪ 522 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:55,392 ‐ What's fascinating is what Ghislaine is going to say, 523 00:23:55,517 --> 00:23:57,478 if she's gonna talk, and if she does talk, 524 00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:59,521 whether she will start talking 525 00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:03,359 about the other alleged conspirators 526 00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:06,320 and people of great power and influence. 527 00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:09,490 ♪ ♪ 528 00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:11,867 ‐ Well, I think she holds the answers 529 00:24:11,992 --> 00:24:14,495 to a lot of these questions, you know, 530 00:24:14,578 --> 00:24:16,121 about what went on, 531 00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:18,707 and of course she's gonna speak. 532 00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:20,417 If she's gonna go to jail, 533 00:24:20,501 --> 00:24:24,421 then she's gonna want people to go down. 534 00:24:24,505 --> 00:24:26,590 ‐ There were a lot of other coconspirators 535 00:24:26,674 --> 00:24:28,717 involved in the sex trafficking scheme, 536 00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:31,887 people of immense power that were involved, 537 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:35,265 and these coconspirators, at this point, in my view, 538 00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:37,101 should be very nervous. 539 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:39,979 ‐ Got no idea if Ghislaine's been cooperating in any level. 540 00:24:40,062 --> 00:24:41,230 Put it like this: 541 00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:42,815 there's no honor among thieves. 542 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:46,360 If she can save herself by ratting out other people, 543 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:47,653 then I think she will. 544 00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:50,072 ♪ ♪ 545 00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:53,158 ‐ It's a catch‐22. It's a double‐edged sword. 546 00:24:53,283 --> 00:24:55,411 Ghislaine was the mastermind. 547 00:24:55,536 --> 00:24:58,330 We need her to talk, 548 00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:00,374 but she doesn't deserve a plea deal. 549 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:01,792 ‐ I'm wondering, do you feel 550 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,627 that she's going to turn in powerful men? 551 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:04,920 How do you see that working out? 552 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:06,463 ‐ I don't know. 553 00:25:06,547 --> 00:25:07,631 I haven't really been following it too much. 554 00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:09,758 I just wish her well, frankly. 555 00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:11,677 I've met her numerous times over the years, 556 00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:13,637 especially since I lived in Palm Beach 557 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,140 and I guess they lived in Palm Beach, 558 00:25:16,265 --> 00:25:17,307 but I wish her well. 559 00:25:17,433 --> 00:25:19,184 ♪ ♪ 560 00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:23,397 ‐ And I'm gonna be one of the first visitors in jail, 561 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,607 and I'm gonna sit across the glass, 562 00:25:25,691 --> 00:25:27,818 and I'm gonna say, "How does it feel 563 00:25:27,901 --> 00:25:29,486 "to be on the other side? 564 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:30,988 "How does it feel to have your freedom 565 00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:32,281 "taken away from you? 566 00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:33,991 How does it feel to be scared?" 567 00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:37,036 ♪ ♪ 568 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:45,002 ♪ ♪ 569 00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:22,372 ‐ This announcement of Ghislaine being arrested, 570 00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:24,583 it just seems so long overdue. 571 00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:27,961 [dramatic music] 572 00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,464 The mystery of Ghislaine's whereabouts‐‐ 573 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,007 it's finally solved. 574 00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:33,717 ♪ ♪ 575 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:36,095 ‐ This whole case has been about power and privilege 576 00:26:36,178 --> 00:26:39,223 and how that power and privilege and wealth 577 00:26:39,348 --> 00:26:42,226 can overcome so many things. 578 00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:45,187 It was very difficult for the women that I represent 579 00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:47,856 to know that she had been able to continue to live 580 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,983 that high‐flying lifestyle 581 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:53,153 while they know she's guilty of these crimes. 582 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,572 ♪ ♪ 583 00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:56,865 ‐ She's gonna face the music. 584 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:58,158 She's someone who's rode her luck 585 00:26:58,242 --> 00:26:59,368 her whole life, 586 00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:00,327 and now it's run out. 587 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:03,330 ♪ ♪ 588 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:06,166 ‐ A federal judge today denied bail for Ghislaine Maxwell, 589 00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:08,752 the former girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein 590 00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:11,338 who was accused of sex trafficking young women 591 00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:12,881 for him. ‐ Maxwell's defense team 592 00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:16,135 proposed a $5 million bond. 593 00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:17,970 They said she was an innocent woman 594 00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:20,013 who would surrender her travel documents 595 00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:22,641 and be subject to GPS tracking, 596 00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:24,143 but the judge said 597 00:27:24,268 --> 00:27:27,437 that she had substantial international ties 598 00:27:27,521 --> 00:27:30,482 and extraordinary financial resources 599 00:27:30,566 --> 00:27:32,985 that prevented her from granting that. 600 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:36,655 ‐ I sat and listened to the entire bail hearing. 601 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:38,323 I was certainly shocked 602 00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:41,201 at some of the things that they were requesting, 603 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,078 such as, "She will pay 604 00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:46,206 "for her luxury Manhattan hotel suite 605 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,500 for awaiting trial." 606 00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:50,502 To me, that just went to show 607 00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:53,589 the narcissistic mindset. 608 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,215 She thought she was going to evade 609 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,676 the entire prosecution. 610 00:27:57,801 --> 00:28:00,929 I really think that she thought she was going to get bail 611 00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:04,391 and live happily ever after in a beautiful home 612 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:07,144 in the woods. 613 00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:10,105 ‐ The trial is set for July of next year. 614 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:13,275 Maxwell faces up to 35 years in prison. 615 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:14,735 ♪ ♪ 616 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:19,156 ‐ I don't know what pathology led her 617 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,283 to behave in the way that she did, 618 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:22,993 whether she's a sociopath 619 00:28:23,076 --> 00:28:24,786 or whether she's been manipulated 620 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:26,663 into this position, 621 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:30,125 but I think that she needs to be viewed 622 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:34,171 separately from Jeffrey Epstein. 623 00:28:34,296 --> 00:28:38,550 To the extent that she ever sexually assaulted somebody, 624 00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:41,637 to the extent that she engaged 625 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,806 in recruiting underage girls for prostitution, 626 00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:46,975 she should be charged for that, 627 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,561 but this isn't Bonnie and Clyde. 628 00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:52,397 I don't think that they are equally culpable. 629 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:56,318 No one is responsible for Jeffrey Epstein's behavior 630 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,862 except for Jeffrey Epstein. 631 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:01,823 ‐ There was a extraordinary back‐and‐forth he had 632 00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:04,117 with a "New York Post" reporter, I think, in 2011. 633 00:29:04,201 --> 00:29:06,370 Epstein said something like, "I'm not a predator. 634 00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:07,913 "I'm an offender. 635 00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:09,706 "It's the difference between a murderer 636 00:29:09,831 --> 00:29:11,541 and someone stealing a bagel." 637 00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:14,127 And that gives you an insight into how he sees himself. 638 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,797 He's not a sex predator. He's not a pedophile. 639 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,173 He's an "offender." 640 00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:20,884 ♪ ♪ 641 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,511 ‐ Jeffrey Epstein was irritated, 642 00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:24,137 to say the least, 643 00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,932 about the way in which I was prosecuting him. 644 00:29:27,015 --> 00:29:28,475 I wanted to meet with him 645 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,143 so that I could learn more about him 646 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:32,479 and understand just how manipulative he was, 647 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,482 how so many people fell into his trap. 648 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:36,984 ♪ ♪ 649 00:29:37,067 --> 00:29:39,653 He's very charismatic. 650 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:41,863 Unapologetic about his lifestyle. 651 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:43,490 He would say to me, 652 00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:44,825 "These people already had bad lives. 653 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,785 "I let 'em into my life. I was nice to them. 654 00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:48,829 "I listened to what their life stories were. 655 00:29:48,954 --> 00:29:50,747 "I talked to them, you know? 656 00:29:50,872 --> 00:29:53,292 "I paid them every single time. 657 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,461 "And yeah, you and I, Brad, have a fundamental disagreement 658 00:29:56,545 --> 00:29:59,423 "as to what the age of consent is, 659 00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:00,841 "but come on. 660 00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:04,052 "You're not so intellectually stupid 661 00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:06,638 "that you buy into that philosophy. 662 00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,640 "I, Jeffrey Epstein, understand 663 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:10,017 "what's right and wrong, 664 00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:12,811 "and other intellectuals do too 665 00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:15,314 "and I consider you, Brad, an intellectual, 666 00:30:15,397 --> 00:30:17,232 "so don't get brainwashed 667 00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:20,027 by the black and white letter of the law." 668 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:23,030 ‐ He can justify his behavior because we all know 669 00:30:23,155 --> 00:30:26,491 that these societal norms are imposed upon us 670 00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:28,869 by, you know, morons. 671 00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:30,829 Well, that's not the truth. 672 00:30:30,871 --> 00:30:34,583 The truth is that there are societal norms 673 00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:36,668 that prevent this 674 00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:39,296 for a good, solid reason: 675 00:30:39,421 --> 00:30:43,800 that sexual assault has psychological consequences 676 00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:48,180 and could very well have a lasting impact. 677 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,184 ♪ ♪ 678 00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:55,979 ‐ Jeffrey had that charismatic persona, 679 00:30:56,104 --> 00:31:00,192 where Ghislaine had this ability to connect to you 680 00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:03,820 on this real emotional level. 681 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:07,616 Being a woman and having been betrayed 682 00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:11,203 by another woman so deeply, 683 00:31:11,328 --> 00:31:15,999 there's truly an element of pure cruelty. 684 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:18,752 Was she more cruel than he was? 685 00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:20,128 I don't know. 686 00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:22,964 ‐ The UN is voting on what is sustainable... 687 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:26,259 ‐ She certainly had so much opportunity 688 00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:30,639 to be a positive influence on so many different people, 689 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:34,017 and she chose a path of darkness. 690 00:31:34,142 --> 00:31:35,352 ♪ ♪ 691 00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:38,647 ‐ I knew Ghislaine Maxwell for many years. 692 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:40,774 She was actually‐‐used to be a very close friend, 693 00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:43,151 and I knew Epstein through her, 694 00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:47,155 so I've been fascinated by this case. 695 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,865 I still have some close friends 696 00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:51,076 who are old friends of Ghislaine, 697 00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:52,744 and from their point of view, 698 00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:55,372 Ghislaine is somehow a victim in all this, 699 00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:59,084 that her father died, Jeffrey Epstein comes along, 700 00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:01,378 he has money and power, 701 00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:03,130 and that... 702 00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:06,716 Ghislaine had no real sense 703 00:32:06,842 --> 00:32:09,636 of the extent of his depravity, 704 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:11,805 but that point of view is hard to square 705 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,266 with the horrendous stuff 706 00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,435 we've seen in these affidavits 707 00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:18,979 of these poor girls being subjected to having sex 708 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:22,023 with Jeffrey and Ghislaine. 709 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:24,818 It's hard to think of Ghislaine 710 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:28,238 as a sort of hapless, sad victim 711 00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:32,284 because those details are so shocking. 712 00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,995 ♪ ♪ 713 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,538 ‐ Ghislaine Maxwell has to live 714 00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:39,249 with her own self. 715 00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:42,085 She has to look at herself in the mirror, 716 00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:43,962 and I've often wondered, 717 00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:46,298 does she even think she did anything wrong? 718 00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:48,967 ♪ ♪ 719 00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:53,180 She was willing to dirty her hands for this man. 720 00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:58,018 I don't think she has any remorse about what she did. 721 00:32:58,143 --> 00:33:01,813 I hope she spends every last day of her life 722 00:33:01,897 --> 00:33:03,982 in an orange jumpsuit. 723 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:07,527 I hope she has to really think about what she... 724 00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:08,778 what she did. 725 00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:11,198 ♪ ♪ 726 00:33:14,743 --> 00:33:16,369 ‐ Bail denied. 727 00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:18,538 Ghislaine Maxwell will have to wait for her trial 728 00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:19,664 behind bars. 729 00:33:19,748 --> 00:33:21,208 One accuser told the judge, 730 00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,543 "Maxwell enjoyed drawing her victims in 731 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,296 with perceived caring." 732 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:28,673 ‐ I think that the only thing I would ask 733 00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:30,133 is just why, 734 00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:33,720 as a woman and as a sister, 735 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:35,805 why you could allow all this to happen. 736 00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:38,475 [dramatic music] 737 00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:40,977 Some of these girls were, like, 14 years old. 738 00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:42,646 It's disgusting. 739 00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:44,648 [sniffles] 740 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:49,486 There's no punishment that's gonna make this right. 741 00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:51,947 ‐ Trauma is not fun, 742 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,741 and every day is unpredictable. 743 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,701 You don't know. 744 00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:58,036 One day, it can be okay, 745 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,373 and the next day, it's just brutal. 746 00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:04,167 But you don't have to do this alone. 747 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:07,295 I think that's the main thing. 748 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:11,800 ♪ ♪ 749 00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:13,426 ‐ I have these great relationships 750 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:16,137 with these women that I've met through this, 751 00:34:16,263 --> 00:34:20,225 and it's put me on a journey for self‐healing. 752 00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,894 It's a whole new life for me in a lot of ways, 753 00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:25,522 but I'm still... 754 00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:28,066 in the trenches of this, 755 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,193 and it's very painful, 756 00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:33,280 and it's hard as hell. 757 00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:39,619 ♪ ♪ 758 00:34:42,289 --> 00:34:45,959 ‐ Just all the [...] that happened here. 759 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:47,877 All the‐‐ 760 00:34:48,003 --> 00:34:51,965 all the women's lives that he screwed up. 761 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:53,967 ♪ ♪ 762 00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:55,635 ‐ It doesn't make a difference to me 763 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,387 that the girls in the 20s 764 00:34:57,512 --> 00:35:00,098 who were manipulated in this way, 765 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:01,683 who agreed to it‐‐ 766 00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:03,893 you know, they may feel even worse 767 00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,646 because they also hold on to this belief of, 768 00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:07,814 "Oh, my God, I'm older. 769 00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:09,524 I should have known better." 770 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:11,192 ♪ ♪ 771 00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:14,613 You can only mature in your ego defenses 772 00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:17,991 if you are raised in an environment 773 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,909 that allows for that to happen, 774 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:22,454 and many people are not. 775 00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:24,331 ♪ ♪ 776 00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:26,333 ‐ Society at large doesn't have an understanding 777 00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:29,002 of how frequently abuse occurs. 778 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,462 Because everybody has secrets that they keep 779 00:35:30,587 --> 00:35:32,172 in the back of the closet, under the shoebox, 780 00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:33,632 next to the mousetrap. 781 00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:36,217 So when they grapple with it as a teenager 782 00:35:36,343 --> 00:35:39,346 or they grapple with it in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 783 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:42,474 they still don't have any more understanding 784 00:35:42,557 --> 00:35:45,310 than they did when the original trauma took place. 785 00:35:45,435 --> 00:35:48,229 And they then will blame themselves even more 786 00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:50,482 because why is this repeatedly happening to them? 787 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:52,525 ♪ ♪ 788 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,736 ‐ I hadn't really dealt with it as a child, 789 00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:56,196 so I didn't know 790 00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:58,823 how to deal with it as an adult. 791 00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:00,617 I had no tools. 792 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,328 ♪ ♪ 793 00:36:03,411 --> 00:36:07,832 Perpetrators can kind of sniff that vulnerability out. 794 00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:10,043 ♪ ♪ 795 00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:13,630 Children need to be educated, and... 796 00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:16,758 they need to be able to vocalize this 797 00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:18,218 when it is happening, 798 00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:20,220 because I think children just don't know how, 799 00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:23,014 and it's very shameful. 800 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:24,766 It shouldn't have to be. 801 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,643 ♪ ♪ 802 00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:29,270 I'm in the midst of writing a book. 803 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:30,980 It's very scary 804 00:36:31,064 --> 00:36:33,983 because it's gonna be my true story, 805 00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:37,153 and I was afraid of judgment, 806 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:39,531 you know, shame, 807 00:36:39,656 --> 00:36:43,159 but I knew it was something that I had to do 808 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,036 because I saw what went on in my life, and I just‐‐ 809 00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:46,830 I just don't want that to happen to children. 810 00:36:46,955 --> 00:36:48,665 ♪ ♪ 811 00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:51,292 So I had to come forward with my story, 812 00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:54,462 as painful and shameful as it is. 813 00:36:56,673 --> 00:36:58,967 ♪ ♪ 814 00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:02,846 ‐ My childhood was stolen from me. 815 00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:05,390 It doesn't matter if you're rich or you're poor. 816 00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:09,102 Children are at danger every day. 817 00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:11,146 And this is why I will not stop talking, 818 00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:12,605 and this is why 819 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:14,482 my charity is called Victims Refuse Silence, 820 00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:18,111 because it needs to be said. 821 00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:20,655 ♪ ♪ 822 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:24,617 ‐ I am working alongside Virginia 823 00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,035 to help heal 824 00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:29,456 those that have suffered sexual abuse, 825 00:37:29,539 --> 00:37:33,126 but also to move forward with education 826 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:34,419 in the prevention 827 00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,130 so that these things don't happen 828 00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:38,631 in the first place. 829 00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,593 ♪ ♪ 830 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:44,137 ‐ It's been so hard for so many of these victims 831 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,805 of Jeffrey Epstein to come forward, 832 00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,308 and many of them have because of each other 833 00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:52,312 and because of the women who started this movement. 834 00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:54,147 This is just the beginning. 835 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:59,360 ♪ ♪ 836 00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,535 ‐ I wanna thank and commend the brave women 837 00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:09,037 who were willing to come forward 838 00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:11,331 and tell us what happened to them, 839 00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:15,335 without whom these charges could not have been brought. 840 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,546 ‐ I'm holding the indictment of Ghislaine's arrest. 841 00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:21,341 Count one: conspiracy to entice minors 842 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:25,094 to travel to engage in illegal sex acts. 843 00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:28,139 ‐ Count two: enticement of a minor 844 00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:31,309 to travel to engage in illegal sex acts. 845 00:38:31,351 --> 00:38:34,896 Count three: conspiracy to transport minors 846 00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:38,233 with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. 847 00:38:38,358 --> 00:38:40,777 ‐ Count four: transportation of a minor 848 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:44,364 with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. 849 00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:46,282 Count five: perjury. 850 00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:48,535 And count six: perjury. 851 00:38:48,618 --> 00:38:52,664 ‐ This page should be a folder of charges. 852 00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:54,374 [dramatic music] 853 00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:55,959 ‐ If you look at the indictment, 854 00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:57,585 you'll see two perjury charges 855 00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:00,505 that reference depositions that were taken 856 00:39:00,630 --> 00:39:03,591 in the Virginia Giuffre versus Maxwell. 857 00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:06,261 The government is saying Ghislaine committed perjury 858 00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:07,929 during that deposition. 859 00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:14,894 ♪ ♪ 860 00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:19,524 ‐ Many abuse victims don't come to terms 861 00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:22,193 with their abuse until many, many years later, 862 00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:24,988 and even then, they struggle with going public 863 00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:26,823 with what has happened to them. 864 00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,324 And unfortunately, 865 00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:30,243 the law in the U. S. is very restrictive, 866 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,036 so if you're a young abuse victim, 867 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,539 the time period within which you can bring that claim 868 00:39:34,664 --> 00:39:37,917 for that sexual abuse is a very short window. 869 00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:40,545 We need to allow them time to have that healing 870 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,547 and that moment where they're ready 871 00:39:42,672 --> 00:39:44,674 and then to seek justice at that time. 872 00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:47,135 Our laws have to change in that regard. 873 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:49,178 ♪ ♪ 874 00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:50,305 ‐ It's enough talk. 875 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:51,764 It's time for action. 876 00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:54,267 And my survivor sisters are ready too. 877 00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,477 We really wanna tackle this issue. 878 00:39:56,603 --> 00:39:58,563 We wanna get on the floor of Congress, 879 00:39:58,688 --> 00:40:00,481 and we wanna tell them federally, 880 00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:02,108 laws need to be changed. 881 00:40:02,191 --> 00:40:03,860 ♪ ♪ 882 00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:06,571 ‐ Going forward, I have gotten the chance 883 00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:09,991 to start to help Courtney a little bit 884 00:40:10,116 --> 00:40:14,579 with standing with victims, to help stop trafficking. 885 00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:16,998 The more that I'm able to help people 886 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,499 and do the right thing 887 00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,168 that I couldn't do a long time ago 888 00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:21,628 is very rewarding 889 00:40:21,753 --> 00:40:24,589 and makes all of this coming forward worth it. 890 00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:30,428 ♪ ♪ 891 00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:32,388 ‐ Just to know that we were a part 892 00:40:32,513 --> 00:40:33,973 of a monumental movement‐‐ 893 00:40:34,057 --> 00:40:39,062 I still can't even grasp the reality of that. 894 00:40:39,187 --> 00:40:40,897 I guess I still don't understand 895 00:40:41,022 --> 00:40:45,318 the depth of how much we did make an impact on the world. 896 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:47,654 When I found out that this happened 897 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:49,364 to so many other girls 898 00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:51,157 and I wasn't alone, 899 00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:52,492 that they get me 900 00:40:52,617 --> 00:40:54,744 and they understand that side of me 901 00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:57,246 without me having to explain it... 902 00:40:57,372 --> 00:41:00,041 These women‐‐ we share a connection 903 00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:02,251 and a bond that's so deep. 904 00:41:02,335 --> 00:41:03,836 It's just a wonderful feeling. 905 00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:06,673 ♪ ♪ 906 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:08,299 ‐ To be honest with you, 907 00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:10,510 there is so much anger in this case. 908 00:41:10,635 --> 00:41:13,304 I don't have any room for anger anymore. 909 00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:16,015 That's not what I need to hold anymore. 910 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,976 You have to transcend all that 911 00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:21,020 'cause that's the only way you can heal. 912 00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:22,897 ‐ It's a horrible thing to have to bond over, 913 00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:27,360 but, you know, the support is tremendous. 914 00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:29,904 Last summer, I was shocked to learn 915 00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:32,407 that some of my family and very close friends 916 00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:34,242 had had similar experiences 917 00:41:34,367 --> 00:41:36,619 in terms of being sexually abused. 918 00:41:36,703 --> 00:41:39,831 And it was kind of a‐‐ you know, just, like, a‐‐ 919 00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:42,542 a sigh of relief that I can tell someone 920 00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:44,210 'cause she's been through it too, 921 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,755 and also just so sad 922 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,133 that it's so common and so pervasive 923 00:41:50,258 --> 00:41:52,260 and not only that, 924 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:54,971 but that people don't ever share it. 925 00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:56,514 ♪ ♪ 926 00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,767 I wanna send a message to victims out there 927 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,603 that may have yet to have report crimes 928 00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,857 that you are not alone, 929 00:42:05,982 --> 00:42:09,110 that you are worthy of being believed, 930 00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:12,905 and that you do have the power and you do have the strength 931 00:42:13,031 --> 00:42:14,365 to push through it. 932 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:15,992 ‐ No justice. crowd: No peace. 933 00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,494 ‐ The silence needs to be broken. 934 00:42:18,578 --> 00:42:21,122 It's okay to feel that shame and that guilt 935 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:24,375 when you are finally revealing your truth. 936 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,920 And it's important for our story to be told 937 00:42:28,004 --> 00:42:31,632 so that it doesn't just go away. 938 00:42:31,716 --> 00:42:34,802 I mean, it can't just go away. 939 00:42:34,886 --> 00:42:38,639 ‐ I think where it starts is that there's no strength 940 00:42:38,723 --> 00:42:41,601 in being quiet. 941 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:43,352 Your strength is in your voice. 942 00:42:43,478 --> 00:42:46,689 ♪ ♪ 943 00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,567 ‐ I absolutely refuse, in my mind, 944 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,487 to stay within that victim mentality, 945 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,072 victim box. 946 00:42:54,197 --> 00:42:55,531 Being a survivor, 947 00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:59,327 I feel like I have a whole lot of fight 948 00:42:59,452 --> 00:43:01,704 and will within me, 949 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:04,373 and I'm never going to stop trying to be better 950 00:43:04,499 --> 00:43:05,958 and trying to fight harder. 951 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:08,461 ♪ ♪ 952 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,297 I owe it to myself, I owe it to my kids, 953 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:14,300 and I owe it to the world. 954 00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:21,265 ♪ ♪ 74744

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