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[dramatic music]
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‐ It's not unusual for peoplethat have been assaulted
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not to talk about thisfor years.
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I didn't unpack this until...
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July, 2019,
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when he had been arrested.
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There had been a callout
in the news
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looking for witnesses, and...
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that's when I made the call
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and told my story
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for the first time in 20 years
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to an FBI agent.
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I never wanted to discuss
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what happened to me,
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with my husband or with anyone.
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It wasn't easy, but it wasthe right thing to do.
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The rest is history, really.
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‐ Jeffrey Epstein is deadafter being found unresponsive
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at a New York City jail
Saturday morning.
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Officials say that his deathwas an apparent suicide.
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‐ Killing himself allowedJeffrey Epstein to,
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in a final way,
say, "Screw you.
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I get the last laugh."
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It just fits with everythingwe know about him
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to maintain controlright till the end.
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You know, that final twist
of the knife.
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"I'm not gonna let you get
what you want,
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which is seeing me in court."
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‐ Felt so...
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like, let down
that I didn't get the chance
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to take away his freedom
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the way he took away
my freedom.
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Yeah, I would've just liked
to look in his eyes
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and let him know who he is,
the monster that he is.
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‐ Honestly, I don't know now
what I would say to him now.
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I guess there's a lot of anger,
and there's just so much hurt,
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and I just think
everything was ripped from me.
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‐ It's been rough, you know?
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I am still processing a lot
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and still have
an immense amount of anger,
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you know, and some of which
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I don't even know
what to do with
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because it's at him
and he's not here anymore,
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so it's like, where does it go?
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‐ We're not gonna do
any questions right now.
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Sorry.
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‐ More than a dozenalleged victims
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of convicted pedophileJeffrey Epstein
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finally had their dayin court.
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‐ Judge Berman held a hearing
that was really unprecedented
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because it allowed the victims
to come forward
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and be heard by the court
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and talk about the abusethat they had suffered
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when the perpetratorhad actually already died,
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and that was something that,
in my career,
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I had never seen happen before.
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‐ I thoughtthat was fantastic,
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and I got on the first plane
I could
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and flew out to New York.
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‐ Judge Berman‐‐he really stood up for us
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and tried to make
a horrible situation right
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in a way, I guess.
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‐ I wanted to be there
and see that I wasn't alone.
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I wanted to put faces
to these girls,
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to show that they were humans,
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that these weren't juststories on paper.
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‐ It wasexceptionally powerful
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being in that courthouse.
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Row after row after row
of women.
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Row after row of survivors.
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And when it was time for usto stand up,
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there's a crowd of us,a crowd,
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waiting to go up there
and speak.
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‐ Each person was going upone by one.
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It's like,"Okay, these are people.
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These are live, living peoplethat this happened to."
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And everybody's story
was my story, you know,
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and it's like‐‐
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it was just a weird bond
that we all have.
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‐ To honestly hear them get up
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and share was intense.
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I have never felt so bonded
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with peoplethat I didn't even know.
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‐ For the first time,I met my survivor sisters.
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And I call 'em sisters
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because that's what they are
to me,
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and I love them so much.
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I love them like a sister.
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‐ These are some of the most
incredibly strong women
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that I've ever hadthe pleasure of meeting.
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‐ It was very emotional.
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It was also very comforting
and very healing
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at the same time.
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‐ After the court hearing,this girl runs and hugs me.
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Oh, make me cry.
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Hold on.
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And she's like,
"Oh, you don't know who I am,
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"you don't know who I am,
but I know who you are,
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"and thank you, you know,
for having a voice
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when I couldn't find mine."
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Standing upfor not just myself,
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but other women,
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has just made me feel
more empowered
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and stronger.
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‐ Back when thiswas happening,
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it was really the beginningof that awakening
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of female empowermentand, really, a voice
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for women to come forward.
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Powerful men were seen
as people that we should revere
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and people
we shouldn't question,
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especially men not only
in positions of power,
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but with money.
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And these young girls didn't
have that voice back then.
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‐ Madame Speaker,
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the President
of the United States.
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[cheers and applause]
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‐ Jackie Speieris a congresswoman
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from California.
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She reaches outto my attorney, Brad Edwards,
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and says that she wants
to invite me as her plus one
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to the State of the Union.
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[cheers and applause]
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First off,it's super intimidating.
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I'm just‐‐I'm a mother,
I work at a sports bar,
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I'm just, like, a real
normal, normal person.
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‐ Our spirit is still young.
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The sun is still rising.
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God's grace is still shining.
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And, my fellow Americans,
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the best is yet to come.
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Thank you very much.
[cheers and applause]
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‐ Jackie Speier says,you know,
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"I just want to saythat you are so brave,"
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and then she expressesthat she was a victim
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of sexual abuseby her former boss
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and she wouldn't have been able
to come out the way I did,
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and she commends me for it.
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So it's just mind‐blowing,
because you're like,
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"Okay, here's this big,
important person in my eyes,
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"but we share a mutual‐‐
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you know, a mutual thing."
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‐ The bread and butter
of what I do
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usually doesn't make the news
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because the people aren't rich
and famous,
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but the power differentialalways exists.
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The predator always has
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physical and/or psychologicalcontrol
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over the victims,
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but rich and famous mensomehow use
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their fame and fortune
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to evade detection.
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‐ I was convinced
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that I had to remainanonymous.
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I had heardthat there were threats
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against some
of the accusers before,
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he had hired people
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and I couldn't deal with
any of that.
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My therapist says thatcertain memories come back
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if you go to the placewhere the trauma occurred.
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It seemed a lot biggerback then.
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But I can see myself
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And waiting for the maidto answer the door.
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[buzzes]
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And feelingpretty overwhelmed.
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You know, that momentwhere she shut the door...
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And that feelingof being trapped.
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[distant siren wailing]
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It's ironic that he hadso many security cameras
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as if he was going to be hurt
or threatened by someone,
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when he was the monster.
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It was everyone else
that needed to be protected.
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The more stories that I heardabout these women,
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by listening to them‐‐
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this is helping metremendously
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'cause now, I don't feel likeI'm the only one, you know?
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And slowly but surely,
then became more comfortable
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with the idea of being‐‐
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you know, going public
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in the hopes
of helping someone, you know,
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even one person.
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And that became
a very clear purpose
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in my mind.
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‐ Um, it makes me sick
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that there's perpetrators
out there
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that obviously helped him
in many ways
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for a very long time,and they're still out there
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with no punishment.
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‐ She said she had sex with you
three times.
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‐ No.
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‐ No to all of it?‐ All of it.
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‐ Prince Andrewof the royal family
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had a very close relationshipto Epstein,
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and he knows
some crucial information
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to help bring
other people down,
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people that needto face justice.
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‐ Good morning.
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‐ Through my lawyer,
Lisa Bloom,
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I have filed a lawsuit
against the Epstein estate
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demanding justice.
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We have also insisted
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that Epstein's longtime friend
Prince Andrew cooperate
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with law enforcement.
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Of all people,you had the power to influence
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and to say something,yet you didn't.
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I can't help but thinkI could've been spared,
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and potentially hundreds
of other children
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and young women.
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The fact that he is notcooperating with the FBI
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is really infuriating.
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Why?
Why?
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Why wouldn't you?
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I want to be hopeful,and I want to be optimistic,
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but I think historically,you know,
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we've seen so many people
in positions of power
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that have gotten awaywith things
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and not held accountable.
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So I'm not sure
that anything's gonna change,
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but it's worth a try.
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‐ We need to get to the bottom
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of everybody who was involved
with that,
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starting with
Ghislaine Maxwell,
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and I won't stop fighting,I will never be silenced
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until these people are broughtto justice.
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‐ In Epstein's absence,
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I think Ghislaine isthe number one target.
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She is absolutely central
to this operation.
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She was the lieutenant.
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She saw everythingthat went on for decades.
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There's a lot
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about Ghislaine's motivation,
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but I think Ghislaine wantedto make him happy.
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I mean, I don't thinkit's a leap
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to sort of see parallels
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between her
making her father happy
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and making Epstein happy.
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[dramatic music]
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‐ Her father wasRobert Maxwell,
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the famous press baron
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who had a reputation
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as kind of
a swashbuckling rogue.
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‐ Her father wasa ruthless, tyrannical bully.
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Ghislaine was more of a friendto him.
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People said they had
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an unusually closerelationship.
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The behaviors she learnedfrom him
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were to be manipulative,
controlling, entitled,
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and what happened nextshaped Ghislaine's life.
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‐ After a nightaboard the fateful yacht
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her father named after her,
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Ghislaine Maxwell appearedto read a statement
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on behalf of the family.
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‐ I want to take
this opportunity
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to thank all the many hundreds
of people...
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Who have sent
messages of support
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to us
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at this very, very sad time.
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Thank you.
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‐ After Maxwell died,it turned out
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that his company was in
serious financial problems,
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and not only that,
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he'd been lootingthe pension funds
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to basically keepthe business afloat.
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At the time, it wasthe biggest fraud of its kind
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in the country.
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So under this huge cloud,Ghislaine moves to America.
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292
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She needed someone to keep herin the lifestyle
293
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she was accustomed to,
294
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and that ultimately then ledto Jeffrey Epstein.
295
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♪ ♪
296
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‐ She was a daughterof a very powerful man,
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so that opened a lot of doors
for her, obviously.
298
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When Jeffreyand Ghislaine met,
299
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she had the contacts,he had the money.
300
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It was kind ofa perfect union.
301
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They gave each other something
that the other one didn't have.
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♪ ♪
303
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‐ I rememberGhislaine telling me
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that Jeffrey had grown up
in Brooklyn
305
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and was from a poor background
306
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and he had made
this astonishing success.
307
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No one could ever figure out
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quite where
the money came from.
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He had this kind of persona
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of almost, like,
a James Bond villain.
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♪ ♪
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Jeffrey cultivated this image
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of a international manof mystery
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and Ghislaine as his accomplice
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and chief promoter.
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♪ ♪
317
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‐ When I saw them together,
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they looked super happyand in love.
319
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Didn't seem
there was any other people
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in the relationship at all.
321
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♪ ♪
322
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‐ People were puzzled
323
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by the relationshipbetween Ghislaine and Jeffrey
324
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because the rumors were,
325
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Ghislaine was scouringNew York,
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finding younger girls
327
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to go on dates with Jeffrey.
328
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At the time,
it seemed sort of...
329
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a bit naughty.
330
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♪ ♪
331
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A friend of minewas at a party,
332
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and Ghislaine said,
"Oh, my God, who's that?",
333
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:47,071
and was looking
at this pretty, younger,
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sort of teenage girl,
335
00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:52,160
and she said,
"Do you know her?"
336
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My friend said, "Yeah.She's called Paris Hilton."
337
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♪ ♪
338
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And Ghislaine said‐‐
[gasps]
339
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"God, she'd be perfect
for Jeffrey.
340
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,588
Could you introduce us?"
341
00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:05,965
‐ Ghislaine was an entrée
342
00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:09,469
for Jeffrey Epstein to meetsome of these women.
343
00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:10,803
So it may have been
344
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a mutually parasitic
relationship.
345
00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:14,223
I don't know.
346
00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:16,684
I don't think
that there's any evidence
347
00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:18,394
that Jeffrey Epstein
was capable
348
00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,063
of having any deep feelings
for anybody,
349
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:24,525
but that doesn't mean
that he doesn't know
350
00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,570
a good exchange relationship
when he finds one.
351
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♪ ♪
352
00:16:29,864 --> 00:16:31,240
‐ Ghislaine wasvery comfortable
353
00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:32,867
with going outand recruiting girls.
354
00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:35,369
She did it smashingly well,
355
00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:37,288
particularly in
those early years.
356
00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:39,415
♪ ♪
357
00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:43,127
‐ I met Jeffreythrough Ghislaine.
358
00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:45,838
I was around 18, 19 years old.
359
00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:47,840
♪ ♪
360
00:16:47,965 --> 00:16:49,717
I was working as a modelat the time,
361
00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,761
and I was going to New Yorka lot.
362
00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:53,346
She had said to me,
363
00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:55,515
"Oh, you know, Jeffrey has
a couple of apartments,
364
00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:58,726
"and if you ever wanna stay,
like, just let me know,
365
00:16:58,809 --> 00:17:00,353
"and I can arrange it.
366
00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:02,021
"I'll have my driverpick you up
367
00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,565
and everything organized."
368
00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:08,486
You know, what 18‐, 19‐year old
doesn't jump onto that offer?
369
00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:11,197
♪ ♪
370
00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,574
‐ A lot of the modelswould be housed
371
00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:15,618
at an apartment
on the Upper East Side
372
00:17:15,701 --> 00:17:18,204
that was owned
by Epstein's brother, Mark.
373
00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:22,333
In Epstein's black book,it was actually referred to
374
00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:24,335
as "apartment for models."
375
00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:26,462
♪ ♪
376
00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:29,215
It gave him another layerof privacy.
377
00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,927
It meant that there was no one
to ask awkward questions
378
00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:34,595
when young girls were coming
and going,
379
00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:35,638
models were coming and going.
380
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♪ ♪
381
00:17:37,932 --> 00:17:39,475
‐ At the apartment building,
382
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I didn't feel that comfortable
there from the beginning,
383
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,523
and I couldn't pinpoint
what it was.
384
00:17:45,648 --> 00:17:46,983
Just didn't feel right.
385
00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:49,026
♪ ♪
386
00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:51,904
I didn't feel secure in there,
387
00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:54,824
like someone was listening in,
388
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like I was being watched,
389
00:17:57,618 --> 00:18:00,788
to the point
where I actually moved out
390
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:02,498
because of that reason.
391
00:18:02,623 --> 00:18:05,376
♪ ♪
392
00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:08,629
But I stayed in touchwith Ghislaine afterwards.
393
00:18:08,713 --> 00:18:11,215
You know, I probably met
some of these girls
394
00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:14,468
without realizing
how lucky I'd been, you know,
395
00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:17,263
that I completely got away
with it
396
00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:20,558
and didn't have to go
through any of that abuse.
397
00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:23,811
‐ As the women startedcoming forward,
398
00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:25,229
I just couldn't believe
399
00:18:25,313 --> 00:18:26,981
how many young womenthere were.
400
00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:29,150
I could‐‐I believe their stories
401
00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:30,818
because it was very similar
402
00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:32,570
to a lotof my friends' stories,
403
00:18:32,653 --> 00:18:34,989
and they...
404
00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,158
you could tell
they were telling the truth.
405
00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:38,909
There were a lot of womencoming forward,
406
00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:41,996
but there were so many morethat didn't wanna talk,
407
00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:44,290
because it's not an easy thing
to talk about,
408
00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:45,916
and we've already learned
409
00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:47,960
when you go upagainst powerful people,
410
00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:51,130
a lot of people
don't believe you.
411
00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,133
‐ For someone to be ableto speak out
412
00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:57,470
to someone with that kindof money and power
413
00:18:57,595 --> 00:18:59,388
is really hard,
414
00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:02,975
'cause they can just literally
destroy your whole family
415
00:19:03,059 --> 00:19:04,644
if you say something
against him.
416
00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:06,562
♪ ♪
417
00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:08,981
I think I was maybe savedfrom this
418
00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:11,150
because I already was,
419
00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:13,861
like, a public namein England.
420
00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:16,030
I could've run
to a newspaper easily.
421
00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:18,157
Like, these newspapers
wouldn't have believed
422
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,450
these other girls,
423
00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:22,370
but if I'd done it,
they would've.
424
00:19:24,038 --> 00:19:25,956
♪ ♪
425
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,292
‐ Within four, five years
426
00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,419
of them meetingfor the first time,
427
00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:33,422
Ghislaine and Epsteinworking together
428
00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,883
as one unit to recruitand traffic girls
429
00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:39,679
is a prettysolidly‐oiled machine.
430
00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:43,683
We don't know who came upwith the idea for doing this.
431
00:19:43,808 --> 00:19:45,393
♪ ♪
432
00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:48,270
To stay by someone's sidefor so long,
433
00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:49,980
I think you're lookingat a really kind of basic
434
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:52,316
and simple urge.
435
00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:54,068
She wanted his approval,
436
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:57,238
and if it took doing this
to kinda keep him happy,
437
00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:58,781
then that's what she would do.
438
00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:00,491
‐ She was power‐hungry,
439
00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:04,120
you know, 'cause she had to besubservient to Jeffrey.
440
00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,872
Jeffrey was likeher new daddy.
441
00:20:06,997 --> 00:20:11,585
♪ ♪
442
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:15,631
Once, in 2002,
443
00:20:15,715 --> 00:20:19,135
I was on the island
with them alone,
444
00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:22,513
and Ghislaine says,"I really wanna talk to you.
445
00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:25,141
Me and Jeffrey have somethingthat we wanna ask you."
446
00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:28,853
And they asked me to...
447
00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,105
carry a baby for them,
448
00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:33,399
and...
449
00:20:33,524 --> 00:20:36,652
I was 19, I was naive,
450
00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:41,073
but I already knewin my heart of hearts that...
451
00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:42,658
I would‐‐I could never.
452
00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:46,620
I would never and I could never
give these people a baby.
453
00:20:46,704 --> 00:20:48,122
‐ So sordid,
454
00:20:48,205 --> 00:20:50,958
so...so monstrous,
455
00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:52,376
and so different
456
00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:55,463
from the Ghislaine
we thought we knew.
457
00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:59,425
♪ ♪
458
00:21:02,678 --> 00:21:04,638
[dramatic music]
459
00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:07,892
‐ I had hopeswhen Epstein got arrested
460
00:21:08,017 --> 00:21:10,352
that Ghislaine would be next.
461
00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:12,813
I started to lose faith
462
00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:14,732
because it's nearly a year
463
00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:18,486
since Epstein's incarceration
and death.
464
00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:20,738
You know, there was alwaysthat looming thought
465
00:21:20,863 --> 00:21:22,948
of, "She probably won'tget arrested,"
466
00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:25,159
but there was that hope,
467
00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,827
and hope is
a very strong thing.
468
00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:29,830
[siren wailing]
469
00:21:29,914 --> 00:21:32,917
♪ ♪
470
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,337
‐ Some major breaking newsjust into our newsroom.
471
00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:40,132
Ghislaine Maxwell isin federal custody.
472
00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:42,343
♪ ♪
473
00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,179
‐ At 8:30 this morning,she was arrested
474
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:46,972
in Bradford, New Hampshire.
475
00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:51,769
♪ ♪
476
00:21:51,852 --> 00:21:54,104
[sirens wailing]
477
00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:56,649
[helicopter whirring]
478
00:21:56,774 --> 00:22:03,280
♪ ♪
479
00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:08,786
‐ Well, Ghislaine was arrestedthis morning in New Hampshire,
480
00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:10,162
and right now,
481
00:22:10,287 --> 00:22:11,539
there's a press conferencegoing on
482
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,499
with the announcement
of the charges,
483
00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:16,627
and the indictment is
being released.
484
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,754
‐ Thanks, man.
Thank you very much.
485
00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:20,923
[people chatting]
486
00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:24,301
‐ Today, we announce charges
against Ghislaine Maxwell
487
00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:26,971
for helping Jeffrey Epstein
488
00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,348
sexually exploit and abuse
489
00:22:29,473 --> 00:22:32,101
multiple minor girls
490
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,395
from the period of 1994
491
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,022
through 1997.
492
00:22:37,147 --> 00:22:38,482
In some cases,
493
00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:42,278
Maxwell participated
in the abuse herself.
494
00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:43,612
‐ Maxwell slithered away
495
00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,823
to a gorgeous property
in New Hampshire,
496
00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:48,117
continuing to live a life
of privilege
497
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,660
while her victims live
with the trauma
498
00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:51,620
inflicted upon them years ago.
499
00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:54,373
♪ ♪
500
00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:56,417
‐ This is a huge dayfor this story
501
00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:58,127
and a huge dayfor the victims.
502
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,463
It was beginning to feel like
there was gonna be no justice,
503
00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:04,133
there was, you know,
no criminal case,
504
00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,427
and that it was just gonna
go away like it did before.
505
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:08,345
Surprised and very happyfor the victims,
506
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:10,347
because I think the evidenceagainst Ghislaine is‐‐
507
00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:11,974
it's overwhelming.
508
00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:18,647
‐ It's 11:07 p. m.
509
00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:20,816
Sigrid calls me,and she's like,
510
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,693
"You're not gonnabelieve this.
511
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,154
Maxwell has been arrested."
512
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,323
♪ ♪
513
00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:29,575
It was a happier moment for me
514
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,661
than even when
Epstein was arrested.
515
00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:34,538
‐ We both just cried together.
516
00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:37,583
I will tell you,
for her and this journey,
517
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:40,085
she has risked so much
518
00:23:40,169 --> 00:23:43,422
to come forward and be braveover the last several years
519
00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,049
and tell her story,
520
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,968
and Ghislaine was walkingthe streets unpunished.
521
00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:52,014
♪ ♪
522
00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:55,392
‐ What's fascinating is whatGhislaine is going to say,
523
00:23:55,517 --> 00:23:57,478
if she's gonna talk,
and if she does talk,
524
00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:59,521
whether she will start talking
525
00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:03,359
about the other
alleged conspirators
526
00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:06,320
and people of great power
and influence.
527
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:09,490
♪ ♪
528
00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:11,867
‐ Well, I thinkshe holds the answers
529
00:24:11,992 --> 00:24:14,495
to a lot of these questions,
you know,
530
00:24:14,578 --> 00:24:16,121
about what went on,
531
00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:18,707
and of course
she's gonna speak.
532
00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:20,417
If she's gonna go to jail,
533
00:24:20,501 --> 00:24:24,421
then she's gonna want peopleto go down.
534
00:24:24,505 --> 00:24:26,590
‐ There were a lotof other coconspirators
535
00:24:26,674 --> 00:24:28,717
involved inthe sex trafficking scheme,
536
00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:31,887
people of immense powerthat were involved,
537
00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:35,265
and these coconspirators,at this point, in my view,
538
00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:37,101
should be very nervous.
539
00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:39,979
‐ Got no idea if Ghislaine'sbeen cooperating in any level.
540
00:24:40,062 --> 00:24:41,230
Put it like this:
541
00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:42,815
there's no honoramong thieves.
542
00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:46,360
If she can save herself
by ratting out other people,
543
00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:47,653
then I think she will.
544
00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:50,072
♪ ♪
545
00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:53,158
‐ It's a catch‐22.It's a double‐edged sword.
546
00:24:53,283 --> 00:24:55,411
Ghislaine was the mastermind.
547
00:24:55,536 --> 00:24:58,330
We need her to talk,
548
00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:00,374
but she doesn't deserve
a plea deal.
549
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:01,792
‐ I'm wondering, do you feel
550
00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,627
that she's going to turn in
powerful men?
551
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:04,920
How do you see that
working out?
552
00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:06,463
‐ I don't know.
553
00:25:06,547 --> 00:25:07,631
I haven't really been
following it too much.
554
00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:09,758
I just wish her well, frankly.
555
00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:11,677
I've met her numerous times
over the years,
556
00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:13,637
especially since I lived
in Palm Beach
557
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,140
and I guess
they lived in Palm Beach,
558
00:25:16,265 --> 00:25:17,307
but I wish her well.
559
00:25:17,433 --> 00:25:19,184
♪ ♪
560
00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:23,397
‐ And I'm gonna be oneof the first visitors in jail,
561
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,607
and I'm gonna sit
across the glass,
562
00:25:25,691 --> 00:25:27,818
and I'm gonna say,
"How does it feel
563
00:25:27,901 --> 00:25:29,486
"to be on the other side?
564
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:30,988
"How does it feelto have your freedom
565
00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:32,281
"taken away from you?
566
00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:33,991
How does it feelto be scared?"
567
00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:37,036
♪ ♪
568
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:45,002
♪ ♪
569
00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:22,372
‐ This announcementof Ghislaine being arrested,
570
00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:24,583
it just seems so long overdue.
571
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:27,961
[dramatic music]
572
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,464
The mysteryof Ghislaine's whereabouts‐‐
573
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,007
it's finally solved.
574
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:33,717
♪ ♪
575
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:36,095
‐ This whole case has beenabout power and privilege
576
00:26:36,178 --> 00:26:39,223
and how that powerand privilege and wealth
577
00:26:39,348 --> 00:26:42,226
can overcome so many things.
578
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:45,187
It was very difficult
for the women that I represent
579
00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:47,856
to know that she had been able
to continue to live
580
00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,983
that high‐flying lifestyle
581
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:53,153
while they know she's guiltyof these crimes.
582
00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,572
♪ ♪
583
00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:56,865
‐ She's gonna face the music.
584
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:58,158
She's someone
who's rode her luck
585
00:26:58,242 --> 00:26:59,368
her whole life,
586
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:00,327
and now it's run out.
587
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:03,330
♪ ♪
588
00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:06,166
‐ A federal judge today deniedbail for Ghislaine Maxwell,
589
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:08,752
the former girlfriend
of Jeffrey Epstein
590
00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:11,338
who was accusedof sex trafficking young women
591
00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:12,881
for him.‐ Maxwell's defense team
592
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:16,135
proposed a $5 million bond.
593
00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:17,970
They said she wasan innocent woman
594
00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:20,013
who would surrenderher travel documents
595
00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:22,641
and be subjectto GPS tracking,
596
00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:24,143
but the judge said
597
00:27:24,268 --> 00:27:27,437
that she hadsubstantial international ties
598
00:27:27,521 --> 00:27:30,482
and extraordinaryfinancial resources
599
00:27:30,566 --> 00:27:32,985
that prevented herfrom granting that.
600
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:36,655
‐ I sat and listenedto the entire bail hearing.
601
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:38,323
I was certainly shocked
602
00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:41,201
at some of the thingsthat they were requesting,
603
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,078
such as, "She will pay
604
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:46,206
"for her luxury
Manhattan hotel suite
605
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,500
for awaiting trial."
606
00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:50,502
To me, that just went to show
607
00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:53,589
the narcissistic mindset.
608
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,215
She thoughtshe was going to evade
609
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,676
the entire prosecution.
610
00:27:57,801 --> 00:28:00,929
I really think that she thought
she was going to get bail
611
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:04,391
and live happily ever afterin a beautiful home
612
00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:07,144
in the woods.
613
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:10,105
‐ The trial is set for July
of next year.
614
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:13,275
Maxwell faces up to 35 yearsin prison.
615
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:14,735
♪ ♪
616
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:19,156
‐ I don't know
what pathology led her
617
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,283
to behave in the way
that she did,
618
00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:22,993
whether she's a sociopath
619
00:28:23,076 --> 00:28:24,786
or whethershe's been manipulated
620
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:26,663
into this position,
621
00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:30,125
but I think that she needs
to be viewed
622
00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:34,171
separately
from Jeffrey Epstein.
623
00:28:34,296 --> 00:28:38,550
To the extent that she eversexually assaulted somebody,
624
00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:41,637
to the extent that she engaged
625
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,806
in recruiting underage girlsfor prostitution,
626
00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:46,975
she should be chargedfor that,
627
00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,561
but this isn't
Bonnie and Clyde.
628
00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:52,397
I don't think
that they are equally culpable.
629
00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:56,318
No one is responsiblefor Jeffrey Epstein's behavior
630
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,862
except for Jeffrey Epstein.
631
00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:01,823
‐ There was a extraordinaryback‐and‐forth he had
632
00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:04,117
with a "New York Post"reporter, I think, in 2011.
633
00:29:04,201 --> 00:29:06,370
Epstein said something like,"I'm not a predator.
634
00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:07,913
"I'm an offender.
635
00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:09,706
"It's the differencebetween a murderer
636
00:29:09,831 --> 00:29:11,541
and someone stealing a bagel."
637
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:14,127
And that gives you an insightinto how he sees himself.
638
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,797
He's not a sex predator.
He's not a pedophile.
639
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,173
He's an "offender."
640
00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:20,884
♪ ♪
641
00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,511
‐ Jeffrey Epsteinwas irritated,
642
00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:24,137
to say the least,
643
00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,932
about the way in whichI was prosecuting him.
644
00:29:27,015 --> 00:29:28,475
I wanted to meet with him
645
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,143
so that I could learn more
about him
646
00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:32,479
and understand
just how manipulative he was,
647
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,482
how so many people fell
into his trap.
648
00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:36,984
♪ ♪
649
00:29:37,067 --> 00:29:39,653
He's very charismatic.
650
00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:41,863
Unapologeticabout his lifestyle.
651
00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:43,490
He would say to me,
652
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:44,825
"These people already had
bad lives.
653
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,785
"I let 'em into my life.
I was nice to them.
654
00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:48,829
"I listened to what
their life stories were.
655
00:29:48,954 --> 00:29:50,747
"I talked to them, you know?
656
00:29:50,872 --> 00:29:53,292
"I paid them every single time.
657
00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,461
"And yeah, you and I, Brad,
have a fundamental disagreement
658
00:29:56,545 --> 00:29:59,423
"as to what the age
of consent is,
659
00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:00,841
"but come on.
660
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:04,052
"You're notso intellectually stupid
661
00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:06,638
"that you buyinto that philosophy.
662
00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,640
"I, Jeffrey Epstein,understand
663
00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:10,017
"what's right and wrong,
664
00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:12,811
"and other intellectuals do too
665
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:15,314
"and I consider you, Brad,
an intellectual,
666
00:30:15,397 --> 00:30:17,232
"so don't get brainwashed
667
00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:20,027
by the black and white letter
of the law."
668
00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:23,030
‐ He can justify his behaviorbecause we all know
669
00:30:23,155 --> 00:30:26,491
that these societal norms
are imposed upon us
670
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:28,869
by, you know, morons.
671
00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:30,829
Well, that's not the truth.
672
00:30:30,871 --> 00:30:34,583
The truth is
that there are societal norms
673
00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:36,668
that prevent this
674
00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:39,296
for a good, solid reason:
675
00:30:39,421 --> 00:30:43,800
that sexual assault haspsychological consequences
676
00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:48,180
and could very well havea lasting impact.
677
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,184
♪ ♪
678
00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:55,979
‐ Jeffrey hadthat charismatic persona,
679
00:30:56,104 --> 00:31:00,192
where Ghislaine hadthis ability to connect to you
680
00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:03,820
on this real emotional level.
681
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:07,616
Being a woman
and having been betrayed
682
00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:11,203
by another woman so deeply,
683
00:31:11,328 --> 00:31:15,999
there's truly an elementof pure cruelty.
684
00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:18,752
Was she more cruelthan he was?
685
00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:20,128
I don't know.
686
00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:22,964
‐ The UN is voting
on what is sustainable...
687
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:26,259
‐ She certainly hadso much opportunity
688
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:30,639
to be a positive influenceon so many different people,
689
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:34,017
and she chose
a path of darkness.
690
00:31:34,142 --> 00:31:35,352
♪ ♪
691
00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:38,647
‐ I knew Ghislaine Maxwellfor many years.
692
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:40,774
She was actually‐‐used to bea very close friend,
693
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:43,151
and I knew Epsteinthrough her,
694
00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:47,155
so I've been fascinated
by this case.
695
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,865
I still havesome close friends
696
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:51,076
who are old friendsof Ghislaine,
697
00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:52,744
and from their point of view,
698
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:55,372
Ghislaine is somehow a victim
in all this,
699
00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:59,084
that her father died,
Jeffrey Epstein comes along,
700
00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:01,378
he has money and power,
701
00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:03,130
and that...
702
00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:06,716
Ghislaine had no real sense
703
00:32:06,842 --> 00:32:09,636
of the extent of his depravity,
704
00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:11,805
but that point of view is hard
to square
705
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,266
with the horrendous stuff
706
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,435
we've seen in these affidavits
707
00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:18,979
of these poor girlsbeing subjected to having sex
708
00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:22,023
with Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
709
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:24,818
It's hard to think of Ghislaine
710
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:28,238
as a sort of hapless,
sad victim
711
00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:32,284
because those details are
so shocking.
712
00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,995
♪ ♪
713
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,538
‐ Ghislaine Maxwell hasto live
714
00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:39,249
with her own self.
715
00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:42,085
She has to look at herself
in the mirror,
716
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:43,962
and I've often wondered,
717
00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:46,298
does she even thinkshe did anything wrong?
718
00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:48,967
♪ ♪
719
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:53,180
She was willing to dirty
her hands for this man.
720
00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:58,018
I don't think she has
any remorse about what she did.
721
00:32:58,143 --> 00:33:01,813
I hope she spendsevery last day of her life
722
00:33:01,897 --> 00:33:03,982
in an orange jumpsuit.
723
00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:07,527
I hope she has to really think
about what she...
724
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:08,778
what she did.
725
00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:11,198
♪ ♪
726
00:33:14,743 --> 00:33:16,369
‐ Bail denied.
727
00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:18,538
Ghislaine Maxwell will haveto wait for her trial
728
00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:19,664
behind bars.
729
00:33:19,748 --> 00:33:21,208
One accuser told the judge,
730
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,543
"Maxwell enjoyeddrawing her victims in
731
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,296
with perceived caring."
732
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:28,673
‐ I think that the only thingI would ask
733
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:30,133
is just why,
734
00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:33,720
as a woman and as a sister,
735
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:35,805
why you could allow all this
to happen.
736
00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:38,475
[dramatic music]
737
00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:40,977
Some of these girlswere, like, 14 years old.
738
00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:42,646
It's disgusting.
739
00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:44,648
[sniffles]
740
00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:49,486
There's no punishment
that's gonna make this right.
741
00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:51,947
‐ Trauma is not fun,
742
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,741
and every day is unpredictable.
743
00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,701
You don't know.
744
00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:58,036
One day, it can be okay,
745
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,373
and the next day,
it's just brutal.
746
00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:04,167
But you don't haveto do this alone.
747
00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:07,295
I think that's the main thing.
748
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:11,800
♪ ♪
749
00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:13,426
‐ I havethese great relationships
750
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:16,137
with these women
that I've met through this,
751
00:34:16,263 --> 00:34:20,225
and it's put me on a journey
for self‐healing.
752
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,894
It's a whole new life for mein a lot of ways,
753
00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:25,522
but I'm still...
754
00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:28,066
in the trenches of this,
755
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,193
and it's very painful,
756
00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:33,280
and it's hard as hell.
757
00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:39,619
♪ ♪
758
00:34:42,289 --> 00:34:45,959
‐ Just all the [...]
that happened here.
759
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:47,877
All the‐‐
760
00:34:48,003 --> 00:34:51,965
all the women's lives
that he screwed up.
761
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:53,967
♪ ♪
762
00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:55,635
‐ It doesn't make a differenceto me
763
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,387
that the girls in the 20s
764
00:34:57,512 --> 00:35:00,098
who were manipulated
in this way,
765
00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:01,683
who agreed to it‐‐
766
00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:03,893
you know,
they may feel even worse
767
00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,646
because they also hold on
to this belief of,
768
00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:07,814
"Oh, my God, I'm older.
769
00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:09,524
I should have known better."
770
00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:11,192
♪ ♪
771
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:14,613
You can only maturein your ego defenses
772
00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:17,991
if you are raisedin an environment
773
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,909
that allows for thatto happen,
774
00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:22,454
and many people are not.
775
00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:24,331
♪ ♪
776
00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:26,333
‐ Society at largedoesn't have an understanding
777
00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:29,002
of how frequentlyabuse occurs.
778
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,462
Because everybody has secretsthat they keep
779
00:35:30,587 --> 00:35:32,172
in the back of the closet,
under the shoebox,
780
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:33,632
next to the mousetrap.
781
00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:36,217
So when they grapple with it
as a teenager
782
00:35:36,343 --> 00:35:39,346
or they grapple with it
in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s,
783
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:42,474
they still don't have
any more understanding
784
00:35:42,557 --> 00:35:45,310
than they did when
the original trauma took place.
785
00:35:45,435 --> 00:35:48,229
And they then will blame
themselves even more
786
00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:50,482
because why is this
repeatedly happening to them?
787
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:52,525
♪ ♪
788
00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,736
‐ I hadn't really dealtwith it as a child,
789
00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:56,196
so I didn't know
790
00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:58,823
how to deal with itas an adult.
791
00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:00,617
I had no tools.
792
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,328
♪ ♪
793
00:36:03,411 --> 00:36:07,832
Perpetrators can kind of sniffthat vulnerability out.
794
00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:10,043
♪ ♪
795
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:13,630
Children need to be educated,and...
796
00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:16,758
they need to be ableto vocalize this
797
00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:18,218
when it is happening,
798
00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:20,220
because I think
children just don't know how,
799
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:23,014
and it's very shameful.
800
00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:24,766
It shouldn't have to be.
801
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,643
♪ ♪
802
00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:29,270
I'm in the midstof writing a book.
803
00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:30,980
It's very scary
804
00:36:31,064 --> 00:36:33,983
because it's gonna be
my true story,
805
00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:37,153
and I was afraid of judgment,
806
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:39,531
you know, shame,
807
00:36:39,656 --> 00:36:43,159
but I knew it was somethingthat I had to do
808
00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,036
because I saw what went onin my life, and I just‐‐
809
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:46,830
I just don't want that
to happen to children.
810
00:36:46,955 --> 00:36:48,665
♪ ♪
811
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:51,292
So I had to come forwardwith my story,
812
00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:54,462
as painful and shameful
as it is.
813
00:36:56,673 --> 00:36:58,967
♪ ♪
814
00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:02,846
‐ My childhood was stolenfrom me.
815
00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:05,390
It doesn't matterif you're rich or you're poor.
816
00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:09,102
Children are at dangerevery day.
817
00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:11,146
And this is why
I will not stop talking,
818
00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:12,605
and this is why
819
00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:14,482
my charity is called
Victims Refuse Silence,
820
00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:18,111
because it needs to be said.
821
00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:20,655
♪ ♪
822
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:24,617
‐ I am workingalongside Virginia
823
00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,035
to help heal
824
00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:29,456
those that have sufferedsexual abuse,
825
00:37:29,539 --> 00:37:33,126
but also to move forwardwith education
826
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:34,419
in the prevention
827
00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,130
so that these things
don't happen
828
00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:38,631
in the first place.
829
00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,593
♪ ♪
830
00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:44,137
‐ It's been so hardfor so many of these victims
831
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,805
of Jeffrey Epsteinto come forward,
832
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,308
and many of them havebecause of each other
833
00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:52,312
and because of the women
who started this movement.
834
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:54,147
This is just the beginning.
835
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:59,360
♪ ♪
836
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,535
‐ I wanna thank and commend
the brave women
837
00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:09,037
who were willing
to come forward
838
00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:11,331
and tell us
what happened to them,
839
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:15,335
without whom these charges
could not have been brought.
840
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,546
‐ I'm holding the indictment
of Ghislaine's arrest.
841
00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:21,341
Count one:
conspiracy to entice minors
842
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:25,094
to travel to engage
in illegal sex acts.
843
00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:28,139
‐ Count two:
enticement of a minor
844
00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:31,309
to travel to engage
in illegal sex acts.
845
00:38:31,351 --> 00:38:34,896
Count three:
conspiracy to transport minors
846
00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:38,233
with intent to engage
in criminal sexual activity.
847
00:38:38,358 --> 00:38:40,777
‐ Count four:
transportation of a minor
848
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:44,364
with intent to engage
in criminal sexual activity.
849
00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:46,282
Count five: perjury.
850
00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:48,535
And count six: perjury.
851
00:38:48,618 --> 00:38:52,664
‐ This page should be
a folder of charges.
852
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:54,374
[dramatic music]
853
00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:55,959
‐ If you lookat the indictment,
854
00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:57,585
you'll see two perjury charges
855
00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:00,505
that reference depositions
that were taken
856
00:39:00,630 --> 00:39:03,591
in the Virginia Giuffreversus Maxwell.
857
00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:06,261
The government is sayingGhislaine committed perjury
858
00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:07,929
during that deposition.
859
00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:14,894
♪ ♪
860
00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:19,524
‐ Many abuse victimsdon't come to terms
861
00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:22,193
with their abuseuntil many, many years later,
862
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:24,988
and even then, they struggle
with going public
863
00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:26,823
with what has happened to them.
864
00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,324
And unfortunately,
865
00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:30,243
the law in the U. S.is very restrictive,
866
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,036
so if you'rea young abuse victim,
867
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,539
the time period within whichyou can bring that claim
868
00:39:34,664 --> 00:39:37,917
for that sexual abuseis a very short window.
869
00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:40,545
We need to allow them timeto have that healing
870
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,547
and that momentwhere they're ready
871
00:39:42,672 --> 00:39:44,674
and then to seek justiceat that time.
872
00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:47,135
Our laws have to change
in that regard.
873
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:49,178
♪ ♪
874
00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:50,305
‐ It's enough talk.
875
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:51,764
It's time for action.
876
00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:54,267
And my survivor sistersare ready too.
877
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,477
We really wanna tacklethis issue.
878
00:39:56,603 --> 00:39:58,563
We wanna get on the floor
of Congress,
879
00:39:58,688 --> 00:40:00,481
and we wanna tell them
federally,
880
00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:02,108
laws need to be changed.
881
00:40:02,191 --> 00:40:03,860
♪ ♪
882
00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:06,571
‐ Going forward,I have gotten the chance
883
00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:09,991
to start to help Courtney
a little bit
884
00:40:10,116 --> 00:40:14,579
with standing with victims,to help stop trafficking.
885
00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:16,998
The more that I'm ableto help people
886
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,499
and do the right thing
887
00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,168
that I couldn't doa long time ago
888
00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:21,628
is very rewarding
889
00:40:21,753 --> 00:40:24,589
and makes all of this
coming forward worth it.
890
00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:30,428
♪ ♪
891
00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:32,388
‐ Just to know
that we were a part
892
00:40:32,513 --> 00:40:33,973
of a monumental movement‐‐
893
00:40:34,057 --> 00:40:39,062
I still can't even graspthe reality of that.
894
00:40:39,187 --> 00:40:40,897
I guessI still don't understand
895
00:40:41,022 --> 00:40:45,318
the depth of how much we didmake an impact on the world.
896
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:47,654
When I found outthat this happened
897
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:49,364
to so many other girls
898
00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:51,157
and I wasn't alone,
899
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:52,492
that they get me
900
00:40:52,617 --> 00:40:54,744
and they understand
that side of me
901
00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:57,246
without mehaving to explain it...
902
00:40:57,372 --> 00:41:00,041
These women‐‐we share a connection
903
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:02,251
and a bond that's so deep.
904
00:41:02,335 --> 00:41:03,836
It's just a wonderful feeling.
905
00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:06,673
♪ ♪
906
00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:08,299
‐ To be honest with you,
907
00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:10,510
there is so much angerin this case.
908
00:41:10,635 --> 00:41:13,304
I don't have any room
for anger anymore.
909
00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:16,015
That's not what I need
to hold anymore.
910
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,976
You have to transcend all that
911
00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:21,020
'cause that's the only wayyou can heal.
912
00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:22,897
‐ It's a horrible thingto have to bond over,
913
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:27,360
but, you know,
the support is tremendous.
914
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:29,904
Last summer,I was shocked to learn
915
00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:32,407
that some of my familyand very close friends
916
00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:34,242
had had similar experiences
917
00:41:34,367 --> 00:41:36,619
in terms of beingsexually abused.
918
00:41:36,703 --> 00:41:39,831
And it was kind of a‐‐you know, just, like, a‐‐
919
00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:42,542
a sigh of reliefthat I can tell someone
920
00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:44,210
'cause she's beenthrough it too,
921
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,755
and also just so sad
922
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,133
that it's so commonand so pervasive
923
00:41:50,258 --> 00:41:52,260
and not only that,
924
00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:54,971
but that people don'tever share it.
925
00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:56,514
♪ ♪
926
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,767
I wanna send a messageto victims out there
927
00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,603
that may have yetto have report crimes
928
00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,857
that you are not alone,
929
00:42:05,982 --> 00:42:09,110
that you are worthy
of being believed,
930
00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:12,905
and that you do have the power
and you do have the strength
931
00:42:13,031 --> 00:42:14,365
to push through it.
932
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:15,992
‐ No justice.
crowd: No peace.
933
00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,494
‐ The silence needsto be broken.
934
00:42:18,578 --> 00:42:21,122
It's okay to feel that shameand that guilt
935
00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:24,375
when you are finally revealing
your truth.
936
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,920
And it's importantfor our story to be told
937
00:42:28,004 --> 00:42:31,632
so that it doesn't just
go away.
938
00:42:31,716 --> 00:42:34,802
I mean, it can't just go away.
939
00:42:34,886 --> 00:42:38,639
‐ I think where it starts
is that there's no strength
940
00:42:38,723 --> 00:42:41,601
in being quiet.
941
00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:43,352
Your strength is in your voice.
942
00:42:43,478 --> 00:42:46,689
♪ ♪
943
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,567
‐ I absolutely refuse,in my mind,
944
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,487
to stay withinthat victim mentality,
945
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,072
victim box.
946
00:42:54,197 --> 00:42:55,531
Being a survivor,
947
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:59,327
I feel like I havea whole lot of fight
948
00:42:59,452 --> 00:43:01,704
and will within me,
949
00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:04,373
and I'm never going to stoptrying to be better
950
00:43:04,499 --> 00:43:05,958
and trying to fight harder.
951
00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:08,461
♪ ♪
952
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,297
I owe it to myself,I owe it to my kids,
953
00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:14,300
and I owe it to the world.
954
00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:21,265
♪ ♪
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