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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,335 --> 00:00:02,402    ♪                             2 00:00:02,402 --> 00:00:07,674    ♪♪                            3 00:00:10,143 --> 00:00:19,986                ♪♪                4 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,821   [ Telephone rings ]            5 00:00:21,855 --> 00:00:24,824   -Nancy Moscatiello called me   and said, "Hey,                  6 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:27,994  I got this story that             you might be interested in."   7 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:30,196   And she had a lot of energy       behind it.                    8 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:37,504 When she was telling me what was  going on and all the dynamics,  9 00:00:37,537 --> 00:00:42,042    I thought, "Okay,             this is interesting, no doubt."  10 00:00:44,511 --> 00:00:48,481 -I sent links to the blog, links   to the research I had done.    11 00:00:51,618 --> 00:00:53,620   -You look at a case             from two ends,                  12 00:00:53,653 --> 00:00:58,058   where if it is true,              how do I prove it?            13 00:00:58,124 --> 00:01:01,528   I just thought this              is going to be quite a feat    14 00:01:01,561 --> 00:01:04,564    to get above the barriers,    15 00:01:04,631 --> 00:01:07,534   like the HIPAA laws            that we have here in California  16 00:01:07,567 --> 00:01:09,536   that protect                   patient confidentiality.         17 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:14,374 But what can we lay down          in front of us                  18 00:01:14,407 --> 00:01:16,543 that says this is true?          19 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:27,053 Amanda's blog had a lot           of information                  20 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:32,392 and it was showing a lot           of her personality.            21 00:01:32,425 --> 00:01:34,227 -"To lighten the tension            and mood,                     22 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:37,397   I brought Nerf guns            to the Oncology wing last week,  23 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:40,366 and we made the doctors          and nurses our targets."         24 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,235  -She had all the right          components for the whole         25 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:44,838    victim-of-cancer persona,     26 00:01:44,871 --> 00:01:47,574   and she was sharing            different stages                 27 00:01:47,607 --> 00:01:51,778   of her sickness and recovery   28 00:01:51,845 --> 00:01:55,915   and back to sickness            and back to recovery.           29 00:01:55,949 --> 00:02:01,588    ♪♪                            30 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:04,057 -When you look at Amanda's blog, 31 00:02:04,090 --> 00:02:08,061   it really is hard to believe    that she doesn't have cancer.   32 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:18,271   -There's all these pictures    of her in the hospital,          33 00:02:18,304 --> 00:02:21,474  with a port, with IVs.             You name it, she's got it.    34 00:02:21,541 --> 00:02:23,409  And at the same time,           35 00:02:23,443 --> 00:02:26,412   if you take the time           and look really closely,         36 00:02:26,446 --> 00:02:29,616 that's when it becomes apparent    how she was fooling people.    37 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:33,620    You know,                     holding up the medicine,         38 00:02:33,653 --> 00:02:35,388    but just turning it enough    39 00:02:35,421 --> 00:02:37,423  that you couldn't see             whose name was on it           40 00:02:37,457 --> 00:02:39,125 or you couldn't make out         41 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:41,594   distinguishing marks on them    to know, like,                  42 00:02:41,628 --> 00:02:43,630  was it that medication or not?  43 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:46,599 Everything was just slightly off    with what she would post.     44 00:02:50,336 --> 00:02:53,006  But Amanda would go to           the hospital.                   45 00:02:53,072 --> 00:02:57,343   She would check herself in,      so to speak.                   46 00:02:58,778 --> 00:03:02,248  When you go to an E.R., you're     telling them what's wrong,    47 00:03:02,282 --> 00:03:03,816 and then it's their job           to figure out                   48 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:05,451 or treat those symptoms.         49 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:08,688  And I believe that's -- that's  how easy it was.                 50 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:12,492    And once she was in there,     you know, she could do things,  51 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:14,527    you know,                       the average person wouldn't.   52 00:03:14,594 --> 00:03:17,830  But if you're looking              to fake cancer, you know,     53 00:03:17,864 --> 00:03:19,832   the world's                       your oyster in a hospital.    54 00:03:19,866 --> 00:03:23,369   [ Camera shutter clicking ]    55 00:03:25,038 --> 00:03:27,974   -Amanda was getting              these pictures by going into   56 00:03:28,007 --> 00:03:30,310  the hospitals                    for different things,           57 00:03:30,343 --> 00:03:35,215 by going to the emergency rooms     and hospital appointments,    58 00:03:35,281 --> 00:03:37,684  and she took advantage             of that clinical setting.     59 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:44,023   -It's not that hard            to keep a gown,                  60 00:03:44,057 --> 00:03:47,327    take tubing, take,             you know, gauze pads.           61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,832    It's not that hard               to have medical supplies.     62 00:03:52,865 --> 00:03:54,701    You can order them online.    63 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:59,138    There's a lot of ways that    you can make it look legitimate. 64 00:04:00,673 --> 00:04:06,479  -Sometimes the people who want  to really push something as true 65 00:04:06,512 --> 00:04:09,549    will make it big.             66 00:04:09,582 --> 00:04:12,051  And by putting                  all this information out there,  67 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:14,754    nobody's going to             second-guess it.                 68 00:04:14,821 --> 00:04:17,724  In this case, she had              a following in that church    69 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:20,260  and the church was really big.  70 00:04:20,326 --> 00:04:23,763   I thought, "Wow, this is --     this is on another scale now."  71 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:25,732  -I mean, how -- how could you      not believe in God            72 00:04:25,765 --> 00:04:27,700    just looking at this room?    I mean, oh, my goodness.         73 00:04:27,734 --> 00:04:29,435 -Yeah, it's incredible.          74 00:04:29,502 --> 00:04:33,006   -She knows the power of her    appearance and her personality.  75 00:04:33,039 --> 00:04:34,741   [ Applause ]                   76 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:37,043    -I just love you.               I really do.                   77 00:04:37,076 --> 00:04:40,113   -She knows the power           of social media.                 78 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:47,420   And it made me want to call      the different organizations    79 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:53,293 that she had named, like          the Lymphoma Leukemia Society.  80 00:04:53,359 --> 00:04:58,464    ♪♪                            81 00:04:58,531 --> 00:05:03,136    So I called them,             and they said the thing          82 00:05:03,202 --> 00:05:06,205  that I thought everybody else   is saying to themselves.         83 00:05:06,239 --> 00:05:08,207 Why would somebody fake cancer?  84 00:05:10,777 --> 00:05:13,546    And I say, "Okay,             but that aside,                  85 00:05:13,579 --> 00:05:16,416   what's your criteria             to support somebody            86 00:05:16,449 --> 00:05:21,087    or to have that person be        your front person             87 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,825 to get people to donate           to your organization?"          88 00:05:25,892 --> 00:05:28,461 And they wouldn't answer          that question.                  89 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:32,632 And I thought, "That's perfect.   It's a perfect crime."          90 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:39,472    ♪♪                            91 00:05:39,505 --> 00:05:41,341  [ Horns honk ]                  92 00:05:42,809 --> 00:05:45,011  -In the fall of 2015,           93 00:05:45,078 --> 00:05:50,583 Amanda was still saying she was  in a clinical trial at Columbia, 94 00:05:50,616 --> 00:05:52,952    in New York City.             95 00:05:52,985 --> 00:05:56,656 -"After getting poked, prodded,  and scanned all morning,         96 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:58,958   I had a 2-hour break             to allow enough time           97 00:05:58,991 --> 00:06:01,928  to get from the main hospital   to the clinic from the shuttle." 98 00:06:20,146 --> 00:06:22,448 -She said it was                  for the drug Keytruda,          99 00:06:22,482 --> 00:06:24,784   and it was coming up              on Thanksgiving and Amanda    100 00:06:24,817 --> 00:06:29,021 had posted about                 how her doctor was so fantastic  101 00:06:29,055 --> 00:06:31,524  because he said, "You            don't need to come to New York  102 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:33,192    for the holidays.             103 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:36,696  I'm going to ship you              the drug Keytruda,            104 00:06:36,729 --> 00:06:40,466   and you can do the clinical     trial at home in California."   105 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:42,235    -"I thought giving myself        injections                    106 00:06:42,301 --> 00:06:45,004  would be a lot scarier            than it was.                   107 00:06:45,037 --> 00:06:47,306   It was actually really easy    and relatively pain free         108 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:49,642   using my picc line."           109 00:06:49,675 --> 00:06:52,145 I'm like, "This is ridiculous."  110 00:06:52,178 --> 00:06:57,417 So I contacted Columbia,         and they said that's absolutely, 111 00:06:57,483 --> 00:06:59,252    no way that would happen.     112 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:05,057 Keytruda has to                     be reconstituted,             113 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:09,996    it has to be administered      by a nurse oncologist.          114 00:07:10,029 --> 00:07:11,831 Especially in a clinical trial,  115 00:07:11,864 --> 00:07:16,068      everything is monitored,         everything is recorded.     116 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:18,037    Not to mention, they said     117 00:07:18,070 --> 00:07:21,441 like, "We are not doing             a trial on Keytruda now."     118 00:07:23,409 --> 00:07:26,179 When I saw the picture of her in 119 00:07:26,212 --> 00:07:29,348  her bathroom claiming             to self-inject chemotherapy,   120 00:07:29,382 --> 00:07:34,220 I remember sending that over to   Detective Martinez right away,  121 00:07:34,253 --> 00:07:36,923   and he said, "Well,             I don't know what else to say.  122 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:38,791   I mean, now she's...           123 00:07:38,858 --> 00:07:40,793   she's self-injecting            chemotherapy at home."          124 00:07:42,728 --> 00:07:48,534    ♪♪                            125 00:07:48,568 --> 00:07:52,772   -Detective Martinez             was doing everything he could   126 00:07:52,805 --> 00:07:54,874   to try and look into Amanda.   127 00:07:54,907 --> 00:07:58,578 All he needed to know was, does   this woman have cancer or not?  128 00:07:58,611 --> 00:08:00,913    But because of HIPAA laws,    129 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:04,584   Detective Martinez could not   access her medical information.  130 00:08:07,053 --> 00:08:09,555 -The doctor has a right to know. 131 00:08:09,589 --> 00:08:12,225 An investigator                   doesn't have a right to know.   132 00:08:12,258 --> 00:08:16,896 So it became her shield because    it's so hard to get beyond.    133 00:08:18,431 --> 00:08:22,768    So at that point, I wanted     to show my cards a little bit.  134 00:08:22,802 --> 00:08:26,005    Amanda didn't know               that I was looking at her.    135 00:08:29,442 --> 00:08:32,612  So I decided to go to              the church                    136 00:08:32,645 --> 00:08:35,414   and lay out this possibility   137 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:41,320    that their darling               is possibly scamming them.    138 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:44,857   -Don't ignore Jesus              because he is always there.    139 00:08:44,924 --> 00:08:47,159   And it would be unfortunate     if he brought you your miracle  140 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:48,794    and you weren't watching.     141 00:08:48,828 --> 00:08:53,032 [ Cheers and applause ]          142 00:08:53,099 --> 00:08:55,535 -Can we give her a hand, y'all?     Come on. That's...            143 00:08:55,601 --> 00:09:00,840    ♪♪                            144 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:06,112    ♪♪                            145 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:08,114 -So I went to visit the pastor.  146 00:09:11,284 --> 00:09:15,454 But he deferred to his daughter,   who was an attorney.           147 00:09:19,125 --> 00:09:24,297   My hope was                    to just prod them a little bit.  148 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:26,198   "I'm thinking maybe              you guys are being scammed,    149 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,001  I don't know,                   but how would you know?"         150 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:32,071  Right? I wanted them to answer  me like, "This is how we know."  151 00:09:35,007 --> 00:09:36,842 But I left with nothing.         152 00:09:36,876 --> 00:09:42,715    ♪♪                            153 00:09:42,748 --> 00:09:47,053    ♪♪                            154 00:09:47,086 --> 00:09:52,725   -I watched Amanda on           a stage talk about her illness,  155 00:09:52,758 --> 00:09:56,162 and I wanted to be loved         just like that.                  156 00:09:57,863 --> 00:10:02,068 To be perfectly honest,          I was struggling in my own way.  157 00:10:05,037 --> 00:10:08,174 We prayed for a lot of things --  the difficulties in our lives,  158 00:10:08,207 --> 00:10:10,409  the struggles we were facing,   159 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:14,080    but consistently we prayed      for Amanda.                    160 00:10:14,113 --> 00:10:18,284    ♪♪                            161 00:10:18,351 --> 00:10:22,521 -My two goals is to see           what the church is going to do  162 00:10:22,555 --> 00:10:27,727    in reaction and to see if       they're going to contact her   163 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,364  and start her ball rolling and  then see what she's going to do. 164 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:40,306 She obtained an attorney          and the attorney contacted me.  165 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:44,777 He says, you know, "Hey, this is    my client.                    166 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:49,915  We heard that you were          looking at her investigatively." 167 00:10:49,949 --> 00:10:53,486  And to just kind of leave her    alone.                          168 00:10:53,552 --> 00:10:56,989   I said, "Okay, well,              I just have one question.     169 00:10:57,056 --> 00:11:00,159   It's pretty simple.             Does she have cancer?           170 00:11:00,226 --> 00:11:02,795  I can close this case             if you can show me something   171 00:11:02,828 --> 00:11:04,964  that can be validated.          172 00:11:04,997 --> 00:11:08,734    But if you can't,             this is going forward."          173 00:11:08,768 --> 00:11:10,836  And some time passed.           174 00:11:10,903 --> 00:11:15,107 And then he e-mailed me and say,  "Hey, I got the proof.          175 00:11:15,141 --> 00:11:17,910    It says my client is sick.    176 00:11:17,943 --> 00:11:21,414  And here's the doctor's note."  177 00:11:21,447 --> 00:11:23,282  He e-mailed it to me.           178 00:11:23,315 --> 00:11:25,151 [ Mouse clicks ]                 179 00:11:25,184 --> 00:11:27,520    It was super, super brief.    180 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:31,190  And then the doctor's           signature on the bottom.         181 00:11:33,325 --> 00:11:35,327 I researched the doctor's name.  182 00:11:35,361 --> 00:11:39,198 And I contacted                   Kaiser Investigations           183 00:11:39,265 --> 00:11:41,500    to question the legitimacy     of the letter.                  184 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,673   They were super protective.    185 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:53,813   But he said,                   "There was a letter sent to her. 186 00:11:53,846 --> 00:11:55,848 But it wasn't for that."         187 00:11:55,881 --> 00:11:58,184 Now I have a fraudulent doctor's letter.                          188 00:12:00,820 --> 00:12:03,989   And I thought "Wow!"           189 00:12:06,792 --> 00:12:08,961    "We got ourselves a case."    190 00:12:10,062 --> 00:12:11,130    [ Camera shutter clicks ]     191 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:19,038    ♪♪                            192 00:12:19,205 --> 00:12:19,271    ♪                             193 00:12:19,271 --> 00:12:24,376    ♪♪                            194 00:12:24,443 --> 00:12:27,546 -Detective Martinez has            tangible information           195 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:30,883 where he knows Amanda is lying.  196 00:12:32,718 --> 00:12:37,623 And then he has another          breakthrough with City of Hope,  197 00:12:37,656 --> 00:12:43,229 which is a hospital that Amanda    said she was at on her blog.   198 00:12:43,295 --> 00:12:46,065    -It was a cancer-specific        hospital.                     199 00:12:49,301 --> 00:12:52,238  I made a phone call and said,      "I'm just trying to verify    200 00:12:52,304 --> 00:12:55,875 whether or not this information  in this blog is correct.         201 00:12:55,908 --> 00:13:01,313 Can you just tell me whether or   not this person is a patient?   202 00:13:01,347 --> 00:13:03,215 If she's not a patient,          203 00:13:03,249 --> 00:13:07,052   we're not breaching              a confidentiality."            204 00:13:07,086 --> 00:13:12,358   And they said, "She             has never been a patient here.  205 00:13:12,391 --> 00:13:16,562   She's not scheduled              to be a patient here           206 00:13:16,595 --> 00:13:18,197 and never was."                  207 00:13:19,064 --> 00:13:20,933 So it was another break.         208 00:13:22,601 --> 00:13:25,838  So it was starting now            to stack up.                   209 00:13:25,871 --> 00:13:30,509    I just don't know              how far she's taken this now.   210 00:13:30,543 --> 00:13:32,077  I need a bigger reach.          211 00:13:33,245 --> 00:13:37,416 [ Dog barking ]                  212 00:13:37,449 --> 00:13:39,585  -I had been talking to             my father-in-law,             213 00:13:39,618 --> 00:13:42,354   who was a retired IRS agent.   214 00:13:42,388 --> 00:13:43,923 And I was telling him the story  215 00:13:43,956 --> 00:13:47,092 I was working on                   about Amanda Riley,            216 00:13:47,126 --> 00:13:49,461    and all the money             she was raising.                 217 00:13:49,528 --> 00:13:52,431  She has this website,            the supportamanda.com.          218 00:13:52,464 --> 00:13:54,466   And he said, "Well,              that's wire fraud."            219 00:13:56,402 --> 00:13:58,103  -The federal reach is              going to be better            220 00:13:58,137 --> 00:14:02,775 because if I am limited            to San Jose,                   221 00:14:02,808 --> 00:14:07,880 what's happened here might limit  the scope of what I can prove.  222 00:14:07,913 --> 00:14:10,149 But the federal is going           to cover the whole blanket.    223 00:14:12,484 --> 00:14:17,756    I thought                       if the IRS can run with this   224 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:23,896  and possibly get a conviction     on a federal level,            225 00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:26,332    that's going to be             the best-case outcome.          226 00:14:27,166 --> 00:14:29,134 -Arlette interview, take one.     Mark.                           227 00:14:29,168 --> 00:14:30,236 [ Clapperboard clacks ]          228 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:41,947 -My name is Arlette Lee.         As a IRS Special Agent,          229 00:14:41,981 --> 00:14:46,452    my job is to work                financial investigations.     230 00:14:46,485 --> 00:14:49,321   We're like the FBI,            with a badge and a gun,          231 00:14:49,355 --> 00:14:52,491 car with the lights and sirens,   the bulletproof vests.          232 00:14:52,524 --> 00:14:55,027 But our focus is                   on financial crimes.           233 00:14:56,595 --> 00:15:00,132  And what I do is I get             the facts.                    234 00:15:02,935 --> 00:15:05,437 I called Nancy.                  235 00:15:05,471 --> 00:15:07,673   She did her homework            on this case,                   236 00:15:07,706 --> 00:15:11,477 and she was passionate,             extremely,                    237 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:14,647   extremely passionate           about this case.                 238 00:15:16,015 --> 00:15:20,286   -Neither of us could believe      that someone would            239 00:15:20,319 --> 00:15:23,856    fake cancer for --            for gain, for benefit like this. 240 00:15:23,889 --> 00:15:26,525 And she said, you know, "Let me     do some digging on my end     241 00:15:26,558 --> 00:15:30,362    and see if this is a case       that we would take."           242 00:15:33,132 --> 00:15:35,034    -It wasn't                    the large dollar amounts         243 00:15:35,067 --> 00:15:38,971  that we would normally            be working.                    244 00:15:39,004 --> 00:15:40,673    And so Detective Martinez     245 00:15:40,706 --> 00:15:44,576 and I went down                   to the U.S. Attorney's Office   246 00:15:44,643 --> 00:15:47,146  and kind of discussed           a little bit about the evidence  247 00:15:47,179 --> 00:15:52,418    we had so far, and after,      you know, 30,                   248 00:15:52,484 --> 00:15:57,022   45 minutes of giving             him the information we had,    249 00:15:57,056 --> 00:16:00,859 he said, "Okay,                   I think we'll open this case."  250 00:16:00,893 --> 00:16:03,429 And he told me,                    "This is a righteous case."    251 00:16:04,763 --> 00:16:07,833   -Arlette and I agree            that the IRS will take          252 00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:10,035 over the investigation.          253 00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:12,571  And they run with it.           254 00:16:12,604 --> 00:16:20,012    ♪♪                            255 00:16:20,045 --> 00:16:23,048  -I subpoenaed                    every medical facility          256 00:16:23,082 --> 00:16:27,419  that she listed in her blogs,     trying to tie down,            257 00:16:27,453 --> 00:16:30,923 was there anywhere that          she may have received treatment  258 00:16:30,956 --> 00:16:33,959 that showed that she had cancer? 259 00:16:36,628 --> 00:16:38,297    -I remember her calling me    260 00:16:38,364 --> 00:16:40,599 when the medical records         finally came in,                 261 00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:44,269   and I thought "Wow."           262 00:16:44,303 --> 00:16:47,373   -There were years of           medical records,                 263 00:16:47,406 --> 00:16:49,708  going back to the first point   in time                          264 00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:52,444   in which she claimed           to have cancer.                  265 00:16:56,415 --> 00:16:59,451  We needed to prove the fraud,      the lies.                     266 00:16:59,485 --> 00:17:02,321   Was gonna be                      in those medical records.     267 00:17:02,388 --> 00:17:05,624   And it was thousands            and thousands                   268 00:17:05,657 --> 00:17:08,327    and thousands of pages of       records that I went through.   269 00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:10,596   [ Monitor beeping ]            270 00:17:10,629 --> 00:17:13,766    The allegation was               that she was faking cancer    271 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:18,771   and getting donations based      on that information.           272 00:17:18,804 --> 00:17:22,474  And there was nothing             in her medical files           273 00:17:22,508 --> 00:17:25,310 that showed that she had cancer, 274 00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:28,814    was diagnosed with cancer        or was treated for cancer.    275 00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:30,949 -When you look at all the things that Amanda did                  276 00:17:30,983 --> 00:17:34,653    to convince people              that she had cancer,           277 00:17:34,686 --> 00:17:37,790 you do wonder what kind          of person could do this.         278 00:17:37,823 --> 00:17:40,592  Who was Amanda                   before all this began?          279 00:17:47,199 --> 00:17:47,232 -W                               280 00:17:47,232 --> 00:17:47,299 -We'                             281 00:17:47,299 --> 00:17:47,332 -We're                           282 00:17:47,332 --> 00:17:47,366 -We're g                         283 00:17:47,366 --> 00:17:47,399 -We're goi                       284 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:47,466 -We're going                     285 00:17:47,466 --> 00:17:47,499 -We're going t                   286 00:17:47,499 --> 00:17:47,533 -We're going to                  287 00:17:47,533 --> 00:17:47,566 -We're going to ju               288 00:17:47,566 --> 00:17:47,633 -We're going to just             289 00:17:47,633 --> 00:17:47,666 -We're going to just r           290 00:17:47,666 --> 00:17:47,699 -We're going to just rol         291 00:17:47,699 --> 00:17:47,733 -We're going to just roll        292 00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:47,800 -We're going to just roll ca     293 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:47,833 -We're going to just roll came   294 00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:47,900 -We're going to just roll camera 295 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:47,966 -We're going to just roll camera be                               296 00:17:47,966 --> 00:17:48,000 -We're going to just roll camera beca                             297 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:48,033 -We're going to just roll camera becaus                           298 00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:48,067 -We're going to just roll camera because                          299 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:48,133 -We're going to just roll camera because we                       300 00:17:48,133 --> 00:17:48,167 -We're going to just roll camera because we'r                     301 00:17:48,167 --> 00:17:48,200 -We're going to just roll camera because we're                    302 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:48,233 -We're going to just roll camera because we're pr                 303 00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:48,300 -We're going to just roll camera because we're pros               304 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:48,333 -We're going to just roll camera because we're pros h             305 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:48,367 -We're going to just roll camera because we're pros her           306 00:17:48,367 --> 00:17:49,868 -We're going to just roll camera because we're pros here.         307 00:17:49,902 --> 00:17:51,303  -Okay.                          308 00:17:51,336 --> 00:17:54,573 -What was the worst day           of your life?                   309 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,176  -The day that I got diagnosed     with cancer                    310 00:17:57,209 --> 00:18:00,512   and the day that I found out     that I had terminal cancer,    311 00:18:00,546 --> 00:18:02,548 because they were separate days, 312 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,049   but kind of revolve             around the same thing.          313 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:05,250  -Cut.                           -I did it. Yes.                  314 00:18:08,253 --> 00:18:11,323    -What surprised me             is that it went on for so long  315 00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:15,928   and the lengths that             she went to fake the cancer.   316 00:18:17,996 --> 00:18:21,733 Shaving her head                   to all of the photos           317 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:26,672   that was on her blog              of her in emergency rooms.    318 00:18:26,705 --> 00:18:30,175 Why would somebody want to fake  such a horrible disease?         319 00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:34,279    ♪♪                            320 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:41,253  -I've talked to people           that knew her in high school.   321 00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:44,590 A friend of hers                   had sent her senior picture.   322 00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:47,593   And I saw the quote              and just sat there laughing.   323 00:18:49,628 --> 00:18:51,430 It was just like that's Amanda.  324 00:18:51,463 --> 00:18:56,635    ♪♪                            325 00:18:56,702 --> 00:18:58,237  -Amanda, so, there's a lot of    people in here                  326 00:18:58,270 --> 00:18:59,872  who know you, clearly.          I mean,                          327 00:18:59,905 --> 00:19:02,207  you're the queen of the house   and we love you dearly.          328 00:19:02,241 --> 00:19:04,076 [ Crowd cheers ]                  But more so than that,          329 00:19:04,109 --> 00:19:05,911  why don't you kind of give us      a little bit of background    330 00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:08,080 on your childhood before           we dive into the deep stuff,   331 00:19:08,113 --> 00:19:10,415   kind of how you were raised?    -Sure.                          332 00:19:10,449 --> 00:19:12,117    I grew up                     a really good childhood.         333 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,786   I had a gr-- I have             a great life.                   334 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:17,089  Um, I grew up                   in Southern California.          335 00:19:17,122 --> 00:19:19,324   [ Scattered cheers ]            Whoo!                           336 00:19:19,391 --> 00:19:21,960    Um, normal thing,                went through high school,     337 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,829  went through college,           338 00:19:23,896 --> 00:19:25,063    taught special ed,            got married, had babies,         339 00:19:25,097 --> 00:19:27,132  all the normal stuff.           340 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:30,435 -It was really important for me  to dig into Amanda's childhood.  341 00:19:30,469 --> 00:19:32,471  -One thing you guys might not    know about me                   342 00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:35,607 is I didn't grow up knowing God. 343 00:19:35,641 --> 00:19:39,144 -So, I wanted to speak to people    that knew her when she was    344 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,814    younger and start                to piece together             345 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:45,317   where these patterns              of behavior began.            346 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:50,622    ♪♪                            347 00:19:50,656 --> 00:19:56,328   [ Indistinct conversations ]   348 00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:57,829   -My name is Trisha.            349 00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:02,034 And I met Amanda                   when we were in sixth grade.   350 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,937 She had just moved to Riverside. 351 00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:10,676  [ School bell rings ]           352 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:14,146  And we became friends.          353 00:20:14,179 --> 00:20:18,617 We were friends through            sixth grade, middle school,    354 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:22,187   high school                     and through adulthood.          355 00:20:25,557 --> 00:20:30,195 I remember in elementary school    Amanda would make things up.   356 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:34,533    ♪♪                            357 00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:37,402 She once told us she was          ambidextrous.                   358 00:20:37,469 --> 00:20:39,905 She said her family had           annual passes                   359 00:20:39,972 --> 00:20:44,176  to Disneyland,                     little white lies.            360 00:20:44,209 --> 00:20:48,714    They always made her seem     distinctive in some way,         361 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:51,250  but they were                   really inconsequential.          362 00:20:51,316 --> 00:20:53,585 So that's why it didn't             bother us.                    363 00:20:54,886 --> 00:20:58,657   And we never let Amanda know     that we knew she was lying.    364 00:20:58,690 --> 00:21:00,425 Even at that young age,          365 00:21:00,492 --> 00:21:02,327  I think we intuitively             understood                    366 00:21:02,361 --> 00:21:05,564 that Amanda had a certain need,  367 00:21:05,597 --> 00:21:09,234    she felt,                     to distinguish herself.          368 00:21:11,937 --> 00:21:14,172  -I remember a childhood friend    of Amanda's                    369 00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:15,707   painting this picture for me   370 00:21:15,741 --> 00:21:18,043 of what Amanda's                   bedroom looked like            371 00:21:18,076 --> 00:21:20,445 with all these trophies             and tiaras                    372 00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:23,081 from pageants and dance           competitions.                   373 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,921    It made me wonder             if this was the only way         374 00:21:29,955 --> 00:21:33,258 that Amanda could get attention. 375 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,627    It really made me question    who her parents,                 376 00:21:35,694 --> 00:21:39,097   Tom and Peggy, were.             What were they like?           377 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:44,703  I also found it really curious     that Peggy, Amanda's mom,     378 00:21:44,736 --> 00:21:46,938   wanted to be called goddess    379 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:49,374  because she felt like she was      too young to be a grandma.    380 00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:58,617    ♪♪                            381 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:03,822 -I met Peggy at the end of 2009. 382 00:22:03,889 --> 00:22:06,291 I remember thinking like, "Peggy  is a role model as a mother."   383 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,961   She has raised four              children who were all happy,   384 00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:13,398 respectful, successful.          385 00:22:13,432 --> 00:22:16,001 It seemed like the ideal family. 386 00:22:17,736 --> 00:22:20,305   She just was someone           that was very nurturing,         387 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:24,776   especially with what I went       through over the next year    388 00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:28,847 after I met a wonderful             young man,                    389 00:22:28,914 --> 00:22:32,651  who, about two months            into the relationship,          390 00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:34,319  was diagnosed                     with Stage 4 cancer.           391 00:22:37,956 --> 00:22:40,292    Peggy was there every step      of the way, hearing            392 00:22:40,325 --> 00:22:44,996 every single development            throughout chemo and tubes    393 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:48,333 and the sickness                    and the medication            394 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:51,837   and the trials and the scans     and the updates, all of it.    395 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:54,506   [ Monitor beeping ]            396 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:57,442 My boyfriend passed away         in 2011.                         397 00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:04,316    And I remember when Amanda       got diagnosed with cancer.    398 00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:10,021   I was willing to do anything   I could to help                  399 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:13,725  because I knew                   how important the support was   400 00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:15,360 when you're going through that.  401 00:23:17,462 --> 00:23:19,698  And once Amanda was diagnosed,  402 00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:22,134   I began to grow more            of a relationship with Amanda.  403 00:23:26,538 --> 00:23:29,374  -I met Amanda through her mom,   Peggy.                          404 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:32,377   We belong to                    similar friend group.           405 00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:40,018    Amanda just seemed            like she had this heart of gold. 406 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,391   Peggy and Tom, they,             kind of, seemed like this...   407 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:49,828   I don't want to say snobby,     but kind of more untouchable.   408 00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:52,063  But they seemed like they had   a strong family.                 409 00:23:52,097 --> 00:23:58,837    ♪♪                            410 00:23:58,870 --> 00:24:02,574 -Every now and then Peggy would  blog for Amanda                  411 00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,510 or give information, and she was  really active                   412 00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:09,414  in the fundraising part of it      from afar.                    413 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,050  But it seemed that Amanda was     looking for                    414 00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:15,620   almost like a mother figure     or someone to fill that void.   415 00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:19,124  -San Jose mom.                     I was called that.            416 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:23,361 It was one time,                 Amanda was really sick.          417 00:24:23,395 --> 00:24:24,796    I was over there.             418 00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:28,099 I said, "Amanda,                    where is your mom?            419 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,901 How come they can't come          and help you?"                  420 00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:31,803 She said, "Well,                  they went to Europe."           421 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:36,475    I said, "You're this sick     and they went to Europe?         422 00:24:36,541 --> 00:24:38,443    What do you mean by that?"    423 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:41,646    She says, "Well, you know,      some parents are like that."   424 00:24:43,114 --> 00:24:45,984  -Peggy's relationship            with Amanda, in the beginning,  425 00:24:46,051 --> 00:24:47,986 it all seemed like it was ideal. 426 00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:52,090  So when Peggy told me she was   buying some investment property  427 00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:54,926 at the same time                 Amanda was fundraising,          428 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,762  I remember asking Amanda, "How    are you feeling about this?"   429 00:24:57,796 --> 00:24:59,231    And she just said,            430 00:24:59,264 --> 00:25:01,600 "My mom and I have a complicated  relationship."                  431 00:25:01,633 --> 00:25:03,502    And I can understand that,    432 00:25:03,568 --> 00:25:05,470   But I couldn't reconcile it      in my head.                    433 00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:07,606   Because for me, as a parent,   434 00:25:07,639 --> 00:25:13,078  if my child was going through    life-saving treatments          435 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:15,480  and was having to file            bankruptcy,                    436 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,148  I would be putting every cent   437 00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:20,452   I had into whatever            I could do for my child.         438 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,655   I didn't say much about it,    but it kind of just like gave me 439 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,857 a red flag about Peggy.          440 00:25:25,924 --> 00:25:28,426   I was like, "There's              just something off here."     441 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:39,771    ♪♪                            442 00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:46,244    ♪♪                            443 00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:49,381   -When this case came to me,    444 00:25:49,414 --> 00:25:53,552 my twin sister, she had           Stage 4 colon cancer.           445 00:25:53,585 --> 00:25:58,089  She had so many surgeries and   so many rounds of chemotherapy.  446 00:25:58,123 --> 00:25:59,591  She suffered.                   447 00:25:59,624 --> 00:26:01,860  But she kept fighting.          448 00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:03,595  She fought it for nine years.   449 00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:09,701 She passed away                     November 29, 2023.            450 00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:13,371    Working this case gave me       a little bit of the ability    451 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:16,441 to fight in my own way.          452 00:26:16,474 --> 00:26:18,310   And it was fighting             for the truth.                  453 00:26:19,978 --> 00:26:24,316  Amanda was lying about having      cancer for financial gain.    454 00:26:26,818 --> 00:26:29,454   And one of the jobs             of IRS special agents           455 00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:31,556 is we follow the money.          456 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,460  [ Keyboard clacking ]           457 00:26:35,493 --> 00:26:41,800  wire fraud is using the wires      to perpetrate your fraud.     458 00:26:41,833 --> 00:26:43,835 In this particular case,         459 00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:49,507 she got people to donate to her     through a website.            460 00:26:49,574 --> 00:26:51,242   The money went into               her bank account.             461 00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:53,912 And so I was able to get           the records                    462 00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:57,449    for that particular site.     463 00:26:57,482 --> 00:27:01,920   I was able to trace             a little over $100,000          464 00:27:01,953 --> 00:27:03,655 but it was just a portion of it  465 00:27:03,688 --> 00:27:05,457 because I wasn't                   able to trace cash.            466 00:27:08,927 --> 00:27:11,997 -Amanda was comped a lot            of stuff.                     467 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:13,932 I mean, it was endless.          468 00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:15,834    -I got approached             by somebody in Encounter         469 00:27:15,867 --> 00:27:18,803 who said, "Hey, you know, I want to start a meal train for you,"  470 00:27:18,837 --> 00:27:21,973  and they brought meals            for an entire year.            471 00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:24,042    Our daycare out of nowhere      was like, "Merry Christmas.    472 00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:27,012 Like, you're not paying            for daycare for two weeks."    473 00:27:27,045 --> 00:27:29,180  -We did a thing called             the 12 days of Christmas,     474 00:27:29,214 --> 00:27:31,650   which is kind of a tradition     my family, we've always had.   475 00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:33,852 We pick a family                 476 00:27:33,885 --> 00:27:37,022 and we give them a gift for the  12 days leading up to Christmas. 477 00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:42,027   We really thought we            were bringing some joy to them  478 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:44,029    because they were             having such a hard time.         479 00:27:44,062 --> 00:27:47,198    -There's tens of thousands      of dollars that I calculated   480 00:27:47,232 --> 00:27:52,837 over the years that were in kind   gifts, that were cash gifts.   481 00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:54,906 There were separate fundraisers  that had nothing                 482 00:27:54,973 --> 00:27:56,508    to do with the wire fraud.    483 00:27:56,541 --> 00:28:01,713    ♪♪                            484 00:28:01,746 --> 00:28:05,350    -The dollar amount wasn't      as important,                   485 00:28:05,383 --> 00:28:09,154  but we knew that the betrayal   486 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:11,056    that she was doing            to these people,                 487 00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:15,326   especially the ones              who were part of her church,   488 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,095   that was what was important.   489 00:28:17,162 --> 00:28:18,530 -This is bigger than me.         490 00:28:18,563 --> 00:28:20,432   He taught me                   this is bigger than me.          491 00:28:20,498 --> 00:28:21,933 And look where we are right now. 492 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,669 [ Cheers and applause ]          493 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:27,072 -There were candlelight vigils,     auctions,                     494 00:28:27,105 --> 00:28:32,343  fundraisers, donations            of bucket-list experiences.    495 00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,547    I would see so many posts      with pictures.                  496 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,415  There were all                    these different ways           497 00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:40,952 that people were trying           to help make her life better.   498 00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:46,591 Or just anything                  that maybe will make her day.   499 00:28:46,624 --> 00:28:51,930    ♪♪                            500 00:28:51,963 --> 00:28:54,699   -Thousands of people             threw money at her.            501 00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:01,606   But it was the time               that people gave,             502 00:29:01,639 --> 00:29:04,609   the prayers that they prayed   503 00:29:04,642 --> 00:29:08,279    that's impacted everybody        the most.                     504 00:29:08,313 --> 00:29:10,248  -I was hospitalized for weeks      at a time.                    505 00:29:10,281 --> 00:29:11,816    I couldn't get out of bed.    506 00:29:11,883 --> 00:29:13,818 We had to have both of our kids     in daycare                    507 00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:15,887   because I couldn't take care     of our kids.                   508 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,790   -This case has another level    to it,                          509 00:29:18,823 --> 00:29:22,260    another moral level to it,      if you will.                   510 00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:28,399    -I think I started               to lose faith a little bit    511 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:29,567   the second Nancy called me.    512 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:31,436 That pit in my stomach,          513 00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:33,505   it's almost                       like I knew at that point.    514 00:29:34,739 --> 00:29:38,910 One thought I initially had      is that "Is there, like, a team  515 00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,279  that's, like,                   making all this happen?          516 00:29:41,312 --> 00:29:44,482   Like, how do people do this      and keep it from the world?"   517 00:29:46,317 --> 00:29:49,120  -The thing I get asked most --  518 00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:50,622    Didn't Cory know?             519 00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:54,359   You know, I'm basing           everything off the blog,         520 00:29:54,425 --> 00:29:56,861 and I'm looking                  and Cory seems very supportive.  521 00:29:56,928 --> 00:29:58,863  He seems by her side.           522 00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,698 He's supposedly at appointments. 523 00:30:00,765 --> 00:30:02,200   He's there.                    524 00:30:04,035 --> 00:30:08,173   He's everywhere she is, and     they are putting it out there   525 00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,875 that they're a very strong unit, and I believe they were.         526 00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:15,313  -She blogged about him           being her rock                  527 00:30:15,346 --> 00:30:19,017  and talked about him going to   doctor's appointments with her.  528 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:23,188    And even as Amanda started    to come under suspicion,         529 00:30:23,221 --> 00:30:27,058   Cory appeared to be            Team Amanda through and through. 530 00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:31,362    But a lot of people were.     531 00:30:31,396 --> 00:30:35,834    ♪♪                            532 00:30:35,867 --> 00:30:39,571   -To me, it was inconceivable     that it wasn't true.           533 00:30:39,637 --> 00:30:41,906 This is a friend of mine            and a new mother,             534 00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:44,909  who is going through,           like, the unimaginable.          535 00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:47,078 -God gives beauty in every day.  536 00:30:47,145 --> 00:30:49,547   Like, whether or not we see       the sunrise or the sunset,    537 00:30:49,581 --> 00:30:53,418 it's going to happen every day,   and if you don't look for it,   538 00:30:53,484 --> 00:30:55,053 you're going to miss it.         539 00:30:55,086 --> 00:30:57,088  -I think we as, like,            human beings,                   540 00:30:57,155 --> 00:30:58,756    like, we not only             want to root for the underdogs,  541 00:30:58,823 --> 00:31:00,692  but we want to believe            in miracles.                   542 00:31:00,725 --> 00:31:03,928    And she fed it up               on a silver platter.           543 00:31:03,995 --> 00:31:06,064 -The word that comes to my head  544 00:31:06,097 --> 00:31:09,200   is the most extreme version     of being narcissistic.          545 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:18,843 ♪                                546 00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,378  [ Keyboard clacking ]           547 00:31:20,445 --> 00:31:23,948 -Even though Amanda had          several different investigators  548 00:31:23,982 --> 00:31:27,485 looking at her,                   she continued to blog.          549 00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:28,553 [ Mouse clicks ]                 550 00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:31,789   She could have just stopped    and made it all go away,         551 00:31:31,823 --> 00:31:36,728 but in fact Amanda doubled down. 552 00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:38,529   Why would somebody do that?    553 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:40,164    ♪♪                            554 00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:43,902  [ Man speaking indistinctly ]   555 00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:45,870 -Dr. Ho, ABC, come mark.         556 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:47,572 [ Clapperboard clacks ]          557 00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:52,143    -I'm Dr. Judy Ho, clinical    and forensic neuropsychologist.  558 00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:57,181 I've never met, treated,            or evaluated Amanda Riley.    559 00:31:57,215 --> 00:31:59,250 So I'm talking generally           from my clinical experience    560 00:31:59,317 --> 00:32:01,219    and my research knowledge.    561 00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,388    People want to understand      the psychology                  562 00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:06,758 behind the intricate web of lies 563 00:32:06,824 --> 00:32:09,394  that Amanda had built           over the years.                  564 00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:14,899 There is a category of diagnoses    called factitious disorder    565 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,368   in the DSM,                    which is essentially the manual  566 00:32:17,402 --> 00:32:19,337  that all psychologists             and psychiatrists             567 00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:23,942   use to diagnose and identify      mental-health conditions.     568 00:32:24,008 --> 00:32:26,210   And in it there are            two conditions that are related. 569 00:32:26,244 --> 00:32:29,514    One is Munchausen             and one is Munchausen by proxy.  570 00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:35,586  Munchausen means that you are    faking an illness in yourself.  571 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,388  And Munchausen by proxy means   572 00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:39,857    that you're faking             an illness in another person.   573 00:32:39,891 --> 00:32:41,893   Oftentimes with individuals    574 00:32:41,926 --> 00:32:45,096 who have these patterns             of deceiving large amounts    575 00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:48,433    of people                        for long periods of time,     576 00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:50,535   they really don't even know       themselves outside            577 00:32:50,568 --> 00:32:52,570    of this type of behavior.     578 00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:03,915 They describe it with more glee  579 00:33:03,948 --> 00:33:05,883    and with more joy              than you might imagine          580 00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:08,286    when somebody's suffering       from a true medical illness.   581 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,588  -I think there's just             a very negative connotation     about cancer.                   582 00:33:10,621 --> 00:33:12,790 But there's so much good         that comes with it too.          583 00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,826 I'm thankful that I have cancer  584 00:33:14,892 --> 00:33:17,762    because I'm now surrounded     by the right people in my life  585 00:33:17,795 --> 00:33:20,932   and my relationship with God     got so much stronger           586 00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:22,633  because I had cancer.           587 00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:28,306    -Everyone's lives has been     touched by cancer in some way.  588 00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:31,909  And I think that was something  that Amanda tapped into.         589 00:33:31,943 --> 00:33:34,345  [ Keyboard clacking ]           590 00:33:34,412 --> 00:33:40,952 There was so much specificity in the things that she was writing, 591 00:33:40,985 --> 00:33:46,657   her blog posts, what           she was talking to people about. 592 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:47,759 [ Mouse clicks ]                 593 00:33:47,792 --> 00:33:51,496   She had photos as evidence.    594 00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:56,834  And it's just harder to doubt   when there's so much information 595 00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,171    that would suggest              she truly had this illness.    596 00:34:01,639 --> 00:34:04,308 Another aspect that's important     in a Munchausen diagnosis     597 00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:07,178   is that the person,              at least seemingly,            598 00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:13,017 is doing this with full           knowledge of their deception.   599 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,019   Their way of feeling special    and important                   600 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,522 is through this pretend illness. 601 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:20,124    ♪♪                            602 00:34:20,158 --> 00:34:23,027 -Even when we were kids,            her lies,                     603 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:26,864  they sort of distinguished her    in some way,                   604 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:29,000  even though they were            very trivial.                   605 00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:35,339 This was a very significant lie, but it did make her distinctive. 606 00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:37,642    It also, I think,             607 00:34:37,675 --> 00:34:40,711   allowed her to believe that     people really cared about her.  608 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:47,552    ♪♪                            609 00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:50,488  -As a journalist and somebody   that actually has worked         610 00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:54,759  quite closely                     with psychology and trauma,    611 00:34:54,826 --> 00:34:57,361  I really feel that for Amanda,  612 00:34:57,395 --> 00:35:02,600 it was all about a need to feel   wanted and important.           613 00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:08,606 -She's committed. She's 100 in.  614 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:18,716  But social media is a platform     for people to fool people.    615 00:35:18,749 --> 00:35:22,120 you only see what they show you, 616 00:35:22,186 --> 00:35:25,723 -She was preying                  on people's emotions.           617 00:35:25,756 --> 00:35:27,959 She was deceiving them.          618 00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:30,261    And I could do something.     619 00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:32,263   -Once Special Agent Lee got       involved,                     620 00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:34,432   it was only a matter of time   621 00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:39,237    until -- pshew -- Amanda's    whole world came tumbling down.  622 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,905 -Police! Search warrant!         623 00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:42,640  -And it was all caught             on camera.                    624 00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:43,674 [ Indistinct shouting ]          625 00:35:43,674 --> 00:35:47,378 [ Indistinct shouting ]          626 00:35:47,512 --> 00:35:47,545 -L                               627 00:35:47,545 --> 00:35:47,612 -Loo                             628 00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:47,645 -Look                            629 00:35:47,645 --> 00:35:47,678 -Look at                         630 00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:47,712 -Look at t                       631 00:35:47,712 --> 00:35:47,778 -Look at the                     632 00:35:47,778 --> 00:35:47,812 -Look at the b                   633 00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:47,845 -Look at the bab                 634 00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:47,879 -Look at the baby!               635 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:47,945 -Look at the baby! [             636 00:35:47,945 --> 00:35:47,979 -Look at the baby! [ L           637 00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:48,012 -Look at the baby! [ Lau         638 00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:48,045 -Look at the baby! [ Laugh       639 00:35:48,045 --> 00:35:48,112 -Look at the baby! [ Laughin     640 00:35:48,112 --> 00:35:48,146 -Look at the baby! [ Laughing    641 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,313 -Look at the baby! [ Laughing ]  642 00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:50,948   Hi!                            643 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,285   Look at her. She's so cute.    644 00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,720    Hi, baby.                     645 00:35:55,786 --> 00:35:58,956    -I really felt for Cory's     ex-wife, Aletta,                 646 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:02,393   because when I first           started speaking to her,         647 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:05,663    she had just recently lost       custody of Jessa.             648 00:36:07,298 --> 00:36:11,636   -Cory and I had a daughter,     Jessa.                          649 00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:13,137 I lost custody.                  650 00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:17,508    I had to pay thousands of        dollars in child support.     651 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:24,649 I had to take her to the         courthouse and leave her there.  652 00:36:27,151 --> 00:36:28,486 [ Sobs ]                         653 00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,557  All these years later,           and it's still, um --           654 00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:36,060   It's just as painful             as it was back then.           655 00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:48,239    ♪♪                            656 00:36:48,272 --> 00:36:53,177    ♪♪                            657 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,446  -When you have                     a criminal investigation,     658 00:36:55,513 --> 00:36:58,683  I'm not able to share             the information that I have.   659 00:37:01,786 --> 00:37:05,189    I couldn't share with them       the progress of the case.     660 00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:08,793  And so the only thing             I could come up with           661 00:37:08,859 --> 00:37:12,463  was just let them know          the case is still alive          662 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,299    but the wheels of justice       move slowly.                   663 00:37:17,768 --> 00:37:21,472  -I had reached out a couple of  times to know what was going on. 664 00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:25,109 All she could say is "the wheels of justice turn slowly."         665 00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:26,377    [ Laughs ]                    666 00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:27,778  Which was a good thing for me   667 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,114  because I knew                  something was going on.          668 00:37:30,147 --> 00:37:34,252    ♪♪                            669 00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:37,121  -We're in the process           of gaining the evidence to prove 670 00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:40,491    that the person committed     a crime.                         671 00:37:40,558 --> 00:37:45,630 And because Nancy was the keeper   of all of this information,    672 00:37:45,663 --> 00:37:51,836 I had to go back to her and get  additional bits of information.  673 00:37:51,902 --> 00:37:57,742    And she figured out that I    was working on a search warrant. 674 00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,177 -It was just one of those things that I went "Oh!                 675 00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:02,513 Okay, this has got to be            what's coming up."            676 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,320  -Nancy and I would talk often.  677 00:38:09,353 --> 00:38:12,256 I found out that there was going   to be a raid at their home.    678 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,626   So I called my sister and I       said, "Hey, we gotta go."     679 00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:21,299 -We went up to San Jose          to wait this out                 680 00:38:21,332 --> 00:38:24,268   and see if this was             going to be happening.          681 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,537 -Okay, so I'm rolling. Anytime.  682 00:38:26,604 --> 00:38:29,840    -We had a couple of camera      people, a reporter, myself.    683 00:38:31,842 --> 00:38:34,011 -We are in San Jose, California. 684 00:38:34,045 --> 00:38:37,515    It is 6:00 in the morning,    and we got a tip                 685 00:38:37,548 --> 00:38:40,117  that there's going to be some   kind of a search warrant         686 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:44,455    served on Amanda's house,     which is literally right there.  687 00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:51,562    -All of a sudden,             all these SUVs start pulling up  688 00:38:51,629 --> 00:38:53,197    in front of the property.     689 00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:55,199   It was all caught on camera.   690 00:38:55,232 --> 00:38:57,535  And agents just start              hopping out of it             691 00:38:57,568 --> 00:39:01,539 with body armor and guns            drawn and helmets.            692 00:39:01,572 --> 00:39:03,641 -Police! Search warrant!         693 00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:05,543  -Describe what you're seeing.   [ Indistinct shouting ]          694 00:39:05,576 --> 00:39:07,678   -Our reporter's running out.   695 00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:10,214  We're getting the play-by-play    while all this is unfolding.   696 00:39:10,247 --> 00:39:11,882   -You can hear them.              They're knocking on the door   697 00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:13,818   and they're saying,             "We've got a warrant."          698 00:39:13,851 --> 00:39:15,553  [ Shouting continues ]          699 00:39:15,586 --> 00:39:18,823    -Nancy was there,             filming it all.                  700 00:39:21,158 --> 00:39:26,063 -It was like, "Ha! You're lying,   and you're getting caught."    701 00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:30,901    ♪♪                            702 00:39:30,935 --> 00:39:33,704   -All of a sudden, like, this      house that you're safe in     703 00:39:33,738 --> 00:39:37,108 is now filled with armed people. 704 00:39:40,111 --> 00:39:42,246  We pull everybody out             to the living room,            705 00:39:42,279 --> 00:39:46,417    and I'm sitting in a chair      across from Amanda,            706 00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:48,419  and next to us is the kitchen   707 00:39:48,452 --> 00:39:49,920 where there's computers             and stuff,                    708 00:39:49,954 --> 00:39:51,255    and they're going               through everything.            709 00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,759 But Amanda's not                 nervous-looking.                 710 00:39:54,792 --> 00:39:58,696   She's not biting her             fingernails.                   711 00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:00,264    And she just looked at me     712 00:40:00,297 --> 00:40:03,801  and she says,                   713 00:40:03,868 --> 00:40:05,403    "You're Martinez."            714 00:40:05,436 --> 00:40:09,473  It was just almost unnerving.   715 00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:12,576    -I saw the agents             carrying out boxes of equipment. 716 00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:14,412  I saw an oxygen tank.           717 00:40:14,445 --> 00:40:17,548  I saw tubing,                    one of those IV poles.          718 00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:20,618 -Amanda and Cory                   eventually came out            719 00:40:20,651 --> 00:40:23,087   when the whole thing            had finished.                   720 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,890    -Our reporter and               camera crew was still there.   721 00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:27,558   -Could you talk to us about    what's going on                  722 00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:29,293    inside your house?             -Nope.                          723 00:40:29,326 --> 00:40:31,996  -What about your wife           and allegations                  724 00:40:32,062 --> 00:40:35,433  that she's been raising money   but doesn't have cancer?         725 00:40:35,466 --> 00:40:39,637 I'm thinking "Wow. This           is gonna really stop her now."  726 00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:44,341    Boy, was I wrong.             727 00:40:48,078 --> 00:40:57,588    ♪♪                            728 00:40:57,621 --> 00:41:07,665    ♪♪                            729 00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:15,940    ♪♪                            81893

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