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[ Telephone rings ]
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-Nancy Moscatiello called me
and said, "Hey,
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I got this story that
you might be interested in."
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And she had a lot of energy
behind it.
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When she was telling me what was
going on and all the dynamics,
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I thought, "Okay,
this is interesting, no doubt."
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-I sent links to the blog, links
to the research I had done.
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-You look at a case
from two ends,
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where if it is true,
how do I prove it?
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I just thought this
is going to be quite a feat
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to get above the barriers,
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like the HIPAA laws
that we have here in California
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that protect
patient confidentiality.
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But what can we lay down
in front of us
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that says this is true?
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Amanda's blog had a lot
of information
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and it was showing a lot
of her personality.
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-"To lighten the tension
and mood,
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I brought Nerf guns
to the Oncology wing last week,
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and we made the doctors
and nurses our targets."
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-She had all the right
components for the whole
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victim-of-cancer persona,
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and she was sharing
different stages
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of her sickness and recovery
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and back to sickness
and back to recovery.
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-When you look at Amanda's blog,
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it really is hard to believe
that she doesn't have cancer.
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-There's all these pictures
of her in the hospital,
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with a port, with IVs.
You name it, she's got it.
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And at the same time,
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if you take the time
and look really closely,
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that's when it becomes apparent
how she was fooling people.
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You know,
holding up the medicine,
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but just turning it enough
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that you couldn't see
whose name was on it
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or you couldn't make out
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distinguishing marks on them
to know, like,
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was it that medication or not?
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Everything was just slightly off
with what she would post.
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But Amanda would go to
the hospital.
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She would check herself in,
so to speak.
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When you go to an E.R., you're
telling them what's wrong,
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and then it's their job
to figure out
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or treat those symptoms.
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And I believe that's -- that's
how easy it was.
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And once she was in there,
you know, she could do things,
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you know,
the average person wouldn't.
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But if you're looking
to fake cancer, you know,
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the world's
your oyster in a hospital.
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-Amanda was getting
these pictures by going into
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the hospitals
for different things,
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by going to the emergency rooms
and hospital appointments,
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and she took advantage
of that clinical setting.
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-It's not that hard
to keep a gown,
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take tubing, take,
you know, gauze pads.
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It's not that hard
to have medical supplies.
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You can order them online.
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There's a lot of ways that
you can make it look legitimate.
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-Sometimes the people who want
to really push something as true
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will make it big.
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And by putting
all this information out there,
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nobody's going to
second-guess it.
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In this case, she had
a following in that church
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and the church was really big.
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I thought, "Wow, this is --
this is on another scale now."
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-I mean, how -- how could you
not believe in God
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just looking at this room?
I mean, oh, my goodness.
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-Yeah, it's incredible.
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-She knows the power of her
appearance and her personality.
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-I just love you.
I really do.
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-She knows the power
of social media.
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And it made me want to call
the different organizations
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that she had named, like
the Lymphoma Leukemia Society.
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So I called them,
and they said the thing
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that I thought everybody else
is saying to themselves.
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Why would somebody fake cancer?
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And I say, "Okay,
but that aside,
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what's your criteria
to support somebody
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or to have that person be
your front person
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to get people to donate
to your organization?"
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And they wouldn't answer
that question.
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And I thought, "That's perfect.
It's a perfect crime."
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[ Horns honk ]
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-In the fall of 2015,
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Amanda was still saying she was
in a clinical trial at Columbia,
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in New York City.
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-"After getting poked, prodded,
and scanned all morning,
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I had a 2-hour break
to allow enough time
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to get from the main hospital
to the clinic from the shuttle."
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-She said it was
for the drug Keytruda,
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and it was coming up
on Thanksgiving and Amanda
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had posted about
how her doctor was so fantastic
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because he said, "You
don't need to come to New York
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for the holidays.
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I'm going to ship you
the drug Keytruda,
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and you can do the clinical
trial at home in California."
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-"I thought giving myself
injections
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would be a lot scarier
than it was.
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It was actually really easy
and relatively pain free
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using my picc line."
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I'm like, "This is ridiculous."
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So I contacted Columbia,
and they said that's absolutely,
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no way that would happen.
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Keytruda has to
be reconstituted,
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it has to be administered
by a nurse oncologist.
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Especially in a clinical trial,
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everything is monitored,
everything is recorded.
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Not to mention, they said
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like, "We are not doing
a trial on Keytruda now."
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When I saw the picture of her in
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her bathroom claiming
to self-inject chemotherapy,
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I remember sending that over to
Detective Martinez right away,
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and he said, "Well,
I don't know what else to say.
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I mean, now she's...
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she's self-injecting
chemotherapy at home."
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-Detective Martinez
was doing everything he could
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to try and look into Amanda.
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All he needed to know was, does
this woman have cancer or not?
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But because of HIPAA laws,
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Detective Martinez could not
access her medical information.
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-The doctor has a right to know.
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An investigator
doesn't have a right to know.
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So it became her shield because
it's so hard to get beyond.
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So at that point, I wanted
to show my cards a little bit.
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Amanda didn't know
that I was looking at her.
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So I decided to go to
the church
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and lay out this possibility
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that their darling
is possibly scamming them.
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-Don't ignore Jesus
because he is always there.
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And it would be unfortunate
if he brought you your miracle
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and you weren't watching.
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-Can we give her a hand, y'all?
Come on. That's...
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-So I went to visit the pastor.
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But he deferred to his daughter,
who was an attorney.
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My hope was
to just prod them a little bit.
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"I'm thinking maybe
you guys are being scammed,
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I don't know,
but how would you know?"
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Right? I wanted them to answer
me like, "This is how we know."
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But I left with nothing.
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-I watched Amanda on
a stage talk about her illness,
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and I wanted to be loved
just like that.
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To be perfectly honest,
I was struggling in my own way.
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We prayed for a lot of things --
the difficulties in our lives,
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the struggles we were facing,
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but consistently we prayed
for Amanda.
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-My two goals is to see
what the church is going to do
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in reaction and to see if
they're going to contact her
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and start her ball rolling and
then see what she's going to do.
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She obtained an attorney
and the attorney contacted me.
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He says, you know, "Hey, this is
my client.
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We heard that you were
looking at her investigatively."
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And to just kind of leave her
alone.
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I said, "Okay, well,
I just have one question.
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It's pretty simple.
Does she have cancer?
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I can close this case
if you can show me something
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that can be validated.
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But if you can't,
this is going forward."
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And some time passed.
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And then he e-mailed me and say,
"Hey, I got the proof.
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It says my client is sick.
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And here's the doctor's note."
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He e-mailed it to me.
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It was super, super brief.
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And then the doctor's
signature on the bottom.
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I researched the doctor's name.
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And I contacted
Kaiser Investigations
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to question the legitimacy
of the letter.
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They were super protective.
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But he said,
"There was a letter sent to her.
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But it wasn't for that."
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Now I have a fraudulent doctor's
letter.
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And I thought "Wow!"
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"We got ourselves a case."
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-Detective Martinez has
tangible information
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where he knows Amanda is lying.
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And then he has another
breakthrough with City of Hope,
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which is a hospital that Amanda
said she was at on her blog.
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-It was a cancer-specific
hospital.
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I made a phone call and said,
"I'm just trying to verify
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whether or not this information
in this blog is correct.
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Can you just tell me whether or
not this person is a patient?
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If she's not a patient,
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we're not breaching
a confidentiality."
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And they said, "She
has never been a patient here.
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She's not scheduled
to be a patient here
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and never was."
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So it was another break.
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So it was starting now
to stack up.
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I just don't know
how far she's taken this now.
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I need a bigger reach.
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-I had been talking to
my father-in-law,
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who was a retired IRS agent.
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And I was telling him the story
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I was working on
about Amanda Riley,
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and all the money
she was raising.
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She has this website,
the supportamanda.com.
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And he said, "Well,
that's wire fraud."
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-The federal reach is
going to be better
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because if I am limited
to San Jose,
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what's happened here might limit
the scope of what I can prove.
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But the federal is going
to cover the whole blanket.
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I thought
if the IRS can run with this
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and possibly get a conviction
on a federal level,
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that's going to be
the best-case outcome.
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-Arlette interview, take one.
Mark.
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[ Clapperboard clacks ]
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-My name is Arlette Lee.
As a IRS Special Agent,
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my job is to work
financial investigations.
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We're like the FBI,
with a badge and a gun,
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car with the lights and sirens,
the bulletproof vests.
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But our focus is
on financial crimes.
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And what I do is I get
the facts.
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I called Nancy.
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She did her homework
on this case,
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and she was passionate,
extremely,
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extremely passionate
about this case.
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-Neither of us could believe
that someone would
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fake cancer for --
for gain, for benefit like this.
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And she said, you know, "Let me
do some digging on my end
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and see if this is a case
that we would take."
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-It wasn't
the large dollar amounts
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that we would normally
be working.
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And so Detective Martinez
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and I went down
to the U.S. Attorney's Office
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and kind of discussed
a little bit about the evidence
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we had so far, and after,
you know, 30,
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45 minutes of giving
him the information we had,
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he said, "Okay,
I think we'll open this case."
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And he told me,
"This is a righteous case."
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-Arlette and I agree
that the IRS will take
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over the investigation.
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And they run with it.
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-I subpoenaed
every medical facility
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that she listed in her blogs,
trying to tie down,
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was there anywhere that
she may have received treatment
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that showed that she had cancer?
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-I remember her calling me
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when the medical records
finally came in,
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and I thought "Wow."
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-There were years of
medical records,
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going back to the first point
in time
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in which she claimed
to have cancer.
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We needed to prove the fraud,
the lies.
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Was gonna be
in those medical records.
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And it was thousands
and thousands
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and thousands of pages of
records that I went through.
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[ Monitor beeping ]
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The allegation was
that she was faking cancer
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and getting donations based
on that information.
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And there was nothing
in her medical files
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that showed that she had cancer,
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was diagnosed with cancer
or was treated for cancer.
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-When you look at all the things
that Amanda did
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to convince people
that she had cancer,
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you do wonder what kind
of person could do this.
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Who was Amanda
before all this began?
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-W
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-We'
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-We're
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-We're g
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-We're goi
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-We're going
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-We're going t
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-We're going to
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-We're going to ju
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-We're going to just
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-We're going to just r
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-We're going to just rol
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-We're going to just roll
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-We're going to just roll ca
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-We're going to just roll came
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-We're going to just roll camera
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-We're going to just roll camera
be
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-We're going to just roll camera
beca
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-We're going to just roll camera
becaus
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-We're going to just roll camera
because
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we'r
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we're
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we're pr
303
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we're pros
304
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we're pros h
305
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we're pros her
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-We're going to just roll camera
because we're pros here.
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-Okay.
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-What was the worst day
of your life?
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-The day that I got diagnosed
with cancer
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and the day that I found out
that I had terminal cancer,
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because they were separate days,
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but kind of revolve
around the same thing.
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-Cut.
-I did it. Yes.
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-What surprised me
is that it went on for so long
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and the lengths that
she went to fake the cancer.
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Shaving her head
to all of the photos
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that was on her blog
of her in emergency rooms.
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Why would somebody want to fake
such a horrible disease?
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♪♪
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-I've talked to people
that knew her in high school.
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A friend of hers
had sent her senior picture.
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And I saw the quote
and just sat there laughing.
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It was just like that's Amanda.
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♪♪
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-Amanda, so, there's a lot of
people in here
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who know you, clearly.
I mean,
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you're the queen of the house
and we love you dearly.
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[ Crowd cheers ]
But more so than that,
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why don't you kind of give us
a little bit of background
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on your childhood before
we dive into the deep stuff,
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kind of how you were raised?
-Sure.
332
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I grew up
a really good childhood.
333
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I had a gr-- I have
a great life.
334
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Um, I grew up
in Southern California.
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[ Scattered cheers ]
Whoo!
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Um, normal thing,
went through high school,
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went through college,
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taught special ed,
got married, had babies,
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all the normal stuff.
340
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:30,435
-It was really important for me
to dig into Amanda's childhood.
341
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-One thing you guys might not
know about me
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is I didn't grow up knowing God.
343
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-So, I wanted to speak to people
that knew her when she was
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younger and start
to piece together
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where these patterns
of behavior began.
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♪♪
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[ Indistinct conversations ]
348
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-My name is Trisha.
349
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And I met Amanda
when we were in sixth grade.
350
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She had just moved to Riverside.
351
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[ School bell rings ]
352
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And we became friends.
353
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We were friends through
sixth grade, middle school,
354
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high school
and through adulthood.
355
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I remember in elementary school
Amanda would make things up.
356
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♪♪
357
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She once told us she was
ambidextrous.
358
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She said her family had
annual passes
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to Disneyland,
little white lies.
360
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They always made her seem
distinctive in some way,
361
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but they were
really inconsequential.
362
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So that's why it didn't
bother us.
363
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And we never let Amanda know
that we knew she was lying.
364
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Even at that young age,
365
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I think we intuitively
understood
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that Amanda had a certain need,
367
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she felt,
to distinguish herself.
368
00:21:11,937 --> 00:21:14,172
-I remember a childhood friend
of Amanda's
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painting this picture for me
370
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of what Amanda's
bedroom looked like
371
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with all these trophies
and tiaras
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from pageants and dance
competitions.
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It made me wonder
if this was the only way
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that Amanda could get attention.
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It really made me question
who her parents,
376
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Tom and Peggy, were.
What were they like?
377
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I also found it really curious
that Peggy, Amanda's mom,
378
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wanted to be called goddess
379
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because she felt like she was
too young to be a grandma.
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♪♪
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-I met Peggy at the end of 2009.
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I remember thinking like, "Peggy
is a role model as a mother."
383
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She has raised four
children who were all happy,
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respectful, successful.
385
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It seemed like the ideal family.
386
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She just was someone
that was very nurturing,
387
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especially with what I went
through over the next year
388
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after I met a wonderful
young man,
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who, about two months
into the relationship,
390
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was diagnosed
with Stage 4 cancer.
391
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Peggy was there every step
of the way, hearing
392
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every single development
throughout chemo and tubes
393
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and the sickness
and the medication
394
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and the trials and the scans
and the updates, all of it.
395
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[ Monitor beeping ]
396
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My boyfriend passed away
in 2011.
397
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And I remember when Amanda
got diagnosed with cancer.
398
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I was willing to do anything
I could to help
399
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because I knew
how important the support was
400
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when you're going through that.
401
00:23:17,462 --> 00:23:19,698
And once Amanda was diagnosed,
402
00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:22,134
I began to grow more
of a relationship with Amanda.
403
00:23:26,538 --> 00:23:29,374
-I met Amanda through her mom,
Peggy.
404
00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:32,377
We belong to
similar friend group.
405
00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:40,018
Amanda just seemed
like she had this heart of gold.
406
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,391
Peggy and Tom, they,
kind of, seemed like this...
407
00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:49,828
I don't want to say snobby,
but kind of more untouchable.
408
00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:52,063
But they seemed like they had
a strong family.
409
00:23:52,097 --> 00:23:58,837
♪♪
410
00:23:58,870 --> 00:24:02,574
-Every now and then Peggy would
blog for Amanda
411
00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,510
or give information, and she was
really active
412
00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:09,414
in the fundraising part of it
from afar.
413
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,050
But it seemed that Amanda was
looking for
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almost like a mother figure
or someone to fill that void.
415
00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:19,124
-San Jose mom.
I was called that.
416
00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:23,361
It was one time,
Amanda was really sick.
417
00:24:23,395 --> 00:24:24,796
I was over there.
418
00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:28,099
I said, "Amanda,
where is your mom?
419
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,901
How come they can't come
and help you?"
420
00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:31,803
She said, "Well,
they went to Europe."
421
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:36,475
I said, "You're this sick
and they went to Europe?
422
00:24:36,541 --> 00:24:38,443
What do you mean by that?"
423
00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:41,646
She says, "Well, you know,
some parents are like that."
424
00:24:43,114 --> 00:24:45,984
-Peggy's relationship
with Amanda, in the beginning,
425
00:24:46,051 --> 00:24:47,986
it all seemed like it was ideal.
426
00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:52,090
So when Peggy told me she was
buying some investment property
427
00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:54,926
at the same time
Amanda was fundraising,
428
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,762
I remember asking Amanda, "How
are you feeling about this?"
429
00:24:57,796 --> 00:24:59,231
And she just said,
430
00:24:59,264 --> 00:25:01,600
"My mom and I have a complicated
relationship."
431
00:25:01,633 --> 00:25:03,502
And I can understand that,
432
00:25:03,568 --> 00:25:05,470
But I couldn't reconcile it
in my head.
433
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:07,606
Because for me, as a parent,
434
00:25:07,639 --> 00:25:13,078
if my child was going through
life-saving treatments
435
00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:15,480
and was having to file
bankruptcy,
436
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,148
I would be putting every cent
437
00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:20,452
I had into whatever
I could do for my child.
438
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,655
I didn't say much about it,
but it kind of just like gave me
439
00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,857
a red flag about Peggy.
440
00:25:25,924 --> 00:25:28,426
I was like, "There's
just something off here."
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♪♪
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00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:46,244
♪♪
443
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:49,381
-When this case came to me,
444
00:25:49,414 --> 00:25:53,552
my twin sister, she had
Stage 4 colon cancer.
445
00:25:53,585 --> 00:25:58,089
She had so many surgeries and
so many rounds of chemotherapy.
446
00:25:58,123 --> 00:25:59,591
She suffered.
447
00:25:59,624 --> 00:26:01,860
But she kept fighting.
448
00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:03,595
She fought it for nine years.
449
00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:09,701
She passed away
November 29, 2023.
450
00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:13,371
Working this case gave me
a little bit of the ability
451
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:16,441
to fight in my own way.
452
00:26:16,474 --> 00:26:18,310
And it was fighting
for the truth.
453
00:26:19,978 --> 00:26:24,316
Amanda was lying about having
cancer for financial gain.
454
00:26:26,818 --> 00:26:29,454
And one of the jobs
of IRS special agents
455
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is we follow the money.
456
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,460
[ Keyboard clacking ]
457
00:26:35,493 --> 00:26:41,800
wire fraud is using the wires
to perpetrate your fraud.
458
00:26:41,833 --> 00:26:43,835
In this particular case,
459
00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:49,507
she got people to donate to her
through a website.
460
00:26:49,574 --> 00:26:51,242
The money went into
her bank account.
461
00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:53,912
And so I was able to get
the records
462
00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:57,449
for that particular site.
463
00:26:57,482 --> 00:27:01,920
I was able to trace
a little over $100,000
464
00:27:01,953 --> 00:27:03,655
but it was just a portion of it
465
00:27:03,688 --> 00:27:05,457
because I wasn't
able to trace cash.
466
00:27:08,927 --> 00:27:11,997
-Amanda was comped a lot
of stuff.
467
00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:13,932
I mean, it was endless.
468
00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:15,834
-I got approached
by somebody in Encounter
469
00:27:15,867 --> 00:27:18,803
who said, "Hey, you know, I want
to start a meal train for you,"
470
00:27:18,837 --> 00:27:21,973
and they brought meals
for an entire year.
471
00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:24,042
Our daycare out of nowhere
was like, "Merry Christmas.
472
00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:27,012
Like, you're not paying
for daycare for two weeks."
473
00:27:27,045 --> 00:27:29,180
-We did a thing called
the 12 days of Christmas,
474
00:27:29,214 --> 00:27:31,650
which is kind of a tradition
my family, we've always had.
475
00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:33,852
We pick a family
476
00:27:33,885 --> 00:27:37,022
and we give them a gift for the
12 days leading up to Christmas.
477
00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:42,027
We really thought we
were bringing some joy to them
478
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:44,029
because they were
having such a hard time.
479
00:27:44,062 --> 00:27:47,198
-There's tens of thousands
of dollars that I calculated
480
00:27:47,232 --> 00:27:52,837
over the years that were in kind
gifts, that were cash gifts.
481
00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:54,906
There were separate fundraisers
that had nothing
482
00:27:54,973 --> 00:27:56,508
to do with the wire fraud.
483
00:27:56,541 --> 00:28:01,713
♪♪
484
00:28:01,746 --> 00:28:05,350
-The dollar amount wasn't
as important,
485
00:28:05,383 --> 00:28:09,154
but we knew that the betrayal
486
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:11,056
that she was doing
to these people,
487
00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:15,326
especially the ones
who were part of her church,
488
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,095
that was what was important.
489
00:28:17,162 --> 00:28:18,530
-This is bigger than me.
490
00:28:18,563 --> 00:28:20,432
He taught me
this is bigger than me.
491
00:28:20,498 --> 00:28:21,933
And look where we are right now.
492
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,669
[ Cheers and applause ]
493
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:27,072
-There were candlelight vigils,
auctions,
494
00:28:27,105 --> 00:28:32,343
fundraisers, donations
of bucket-list experiences.
495
00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,547
I would see so many posts
with pictures.
496
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,415
There were all
these different ways
497
00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:40,952
that people were trying
to help make her life better.
498
00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:46,591
Or just anything
that maybe will make her day.
499
00:28:46,624 --> 00:28:51,930
♪♪
500
00:28:51,963 --> 00:28:54,699
-Thousands of people
threw money at her.
501
00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:01,606
But it was the time
that people gave,
502
00:29:01,639 --> 00:29:04,609
the prayers that they prayed
503
00:29:04,642 --> 00:29:08,279
that's impacted everybody
the most.
504
00:29:08,313 --> 00:29:10,248
-I was hospitalized for weeks
at a time.
505
00:29:10,281 --> 00:29:11,816
I couldn't get out of bed.
506
00:29:11,883 --> 00:29:13,818
We had to have both of our kids
in daycare
507
00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:15,887
because I couldn't take care
of our kids.
508
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,790
-This case has another level
to it,
509
00:29:18,823 --> 00:29:22,260
another moral level to it,
if you will.
510
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:28,399
-I think I started
to lose faith a little bit
511
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:29,567
the second Nancy called me.
512
00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:31,436
That pit in my stomach,
513
00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:33,505
it's almost
like I knew at that point.
514
00:29:34,739 --> 00:29:38,910
One thought I initially had
is that "Is there, like, a team
515
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,279
that's, like,
making all this happen?
516
00:29:41,312 --> 00:29:44,482
Like, how do people do this
and keep it from the world?"
517
00:29:46,317 --> 00:29:49,120
-The thing I get asked most --
518
00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:50,622
Didn't Cory know?
519
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:54,359
You know, I'm basing
everything off the blog,
520
00:29:54,425 --> 00:29:56,861
and I'm looking
and Cory seems very supportive.
521
00:29:56,928 --> 00:29:58,863
He seems by her side.
522
00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,698
He's supposedly at appointments.
523
00:30:00,765 --> 00:30:02,200
He's there.
524
00:30:04,035 --> 00:30:08,173
He's everywhere she is, and
they are putting it out there
525
00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,875
that they're a very strong unit,
and I believe they were.
526
00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:15,313
-She blogged about him
being her rock
527
00:30:15,346 --> 00:30:19,017
and talked about him going to
doctor's appointments with her.
528
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:23,188
And even as Amanda started
to come under suspicion,
529
00:30:23,221 --> 00:30:27,058
Cory appeared to be
Team Amanda through and through.
530
00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:31,362
But a lot of people were.
531
00:30:31,396 --> 00:30:35,834
♪♪
532
00:30:35,867 --> 00:30:39,571
-To me, it was inconceivable
that it wasn't true.
533
00:30:39,637 --> 00:30:41,906
This is a friend of mine
and a new mother,
534
00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:44,909
who is going through,
like, the unimaginable.
535
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:47,078
-God gives beauty in every day.
536
00:30:47,145 --> 00:30:49,547
Like, whether or not we see
the sunrise or the sunset,
537
00:30:49,581 --> 00:30:53,418
it's going to happen every day,
and if you don't look for it,
538
00:30:53,484 --> 00:30:55,053
you're going to miss it.
539
00:30:55,086 --> 00:30:57,088
-I think we as, like,
human beings,
540
00:30:57,155 --> 00:30:58,756
like, we not only
want to root for the underdogs,
541
00:30:58,823 --> 00:31:00,692
but we want to believe
in miracles.
542
00:31:00,725 --> 00:31:03,928
And she fed it up
on a silver platter.
543
00:31:03,995 --> 00:31:06,064
-The word that comes to my head
544
00:31:06,097 --> 00:31:09,200
is the most extreme version
of being narcissistic.
545
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:18,843
♪
546
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,378
[ Keyboard clacking ]
547
00:31:20,445 --> 00:31:23,948
-Even though Amanda had
several different investigators
548
00:31:23,982 --> 00:31:27,485
looking at her,
she continued to blog.
549
00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:28,553
[ Mouse clicks ]
550
00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:31,789
She could have just stopped
and made it all go away,
551
00:31:31,823 --> 00:31:36,728
but in fact Amanda doubled down.
552
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:38,529
Why would somebody do that?
553
00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:40,164
♪♪
554
00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:43,902
[ Man speaking indistinctly ]
555
00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:45,870
-Dr. Ho, ABC, come mark.
556
00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:47,572
[ Clapperboard clacks ]
557
00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:52,143
-I'm Dr. Judy Ho, clinical
and forensic neuropsychologist.
558
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:57,181
I've never met, treated,
or evaluated Amanda Riley.
559
00:31:57,215 --> 00:31:59,250
So I'm talking generally
from my clinical experience
560
00:31:59,317 --> 00:32:01,219
and my research knowledge.
561
00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,388
People want to understand
the psychology
562
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:06,758
behind the intricate web of lies
563
00:32:06,824 --> 00:32:09,394
that Amanda had built
over the years.
564
00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:14,899
There is a category of diagnoses
called factitious disorder
565
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,368
in the DSM,
which is essentially the manual
566
00:32:17,402 --> 00:32:19,337
that all psychologists
and psychiatrists
567
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:23,942
use to diagnose and identify
mental-health conditions.
568
00:32:24,008 --> 00:32:26,210
And in it there are
two conditions that are related.
569
00:32:26,244 --> 00:32:29,514
One is Munchausen
and one is Munchausen by proxy.
570
00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:35,586
Munchausen means that you are
faking an illness in yourself.
571
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,388
And Munchausen by proxy means
572
00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:39,857
that you're faking
an illness in another person.
573
00:32:39,891 --> 00:32:41,893
Oftentimes with individuals
574
00:32:41,926 --> 00:32:45,096
who have these patterns
of deceiving large amounts
575
00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:48,433
of people
for long periods of time,
576
00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:50,535
they really don't even know
themselves outside
577
00:32:50,568 --> 00:32:52,570
of this type of behavior.
578
00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:03,915
They describe it with more glee
579
00:33:03,948 --> 00:33:05,883
and with more joy
than you might imagine
580
00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:08,286
when somebody's suffering
from a true medical illness.
581
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,588
-I think there's just
a very negative connotation
about cancer.
582
00:33:10,621 --> 00:33:12,790
But there's so much good
that comes with it too.
583
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,826
I'm thankful that I have cancer
584
00:33:14,892 --> 00:33:17,762
because I'm now surrounded
by the right people in my life
585
00:33:17,795 --> 00:33:20,932
and my relationship with God
got so much stronger
586
00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:22,633
because I had cancer.
587
00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:28,306
-Everyone's lives has been
touched by cancer in some way.
588
00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:31,909
And I think that was something
that Amanda tapped into.
589
00:33:31,943 --> 00:33:34,345
[ Keyboard clacking ]
590
00:33:34,412 --> 00:33:40,952
There was so much specificity in
the things that she was writing,
591
00:33:40,985 --> 00:33:46,657
her blog posts, what
she was talking to people about.
592
00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:47,759
[ Mouse clicks ]
593
00:33:47,792 --> 00:33:51,496
She had photos as evidence.
594
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:56,834
And it's just harder to doubt
when there's so much information
595
00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,171
that would suggest
she truly had this illness.
596
00:34:01,639 --> 00:34:04,308
Another aspect that's important
in a Munchausen diagnosis
597
00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:07,178
is that the person,
at least seemingly,
598
00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:13,017
is doing this with full
knowledge of their deception.
599
00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,019
Their way of feeling special
and important
600
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,522
is through this pretend illness.
601
00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:20,124
♪♪
602
00:34:20,158 --> 00:34:23,027
-Even when we were kids,
her lies,
603
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:26,864
they sort of distinguished her
in some way,
604
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:29,000
even though they were
very trivial.
605
00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:35,339
This was a very significant lie,
but it did make her distinctive.
606
00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:37,642
It also, I think,
607
00:34:37,675 --> 00:34:40,711
allowed her to believe that
people really cared about her.
608
00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:47,552
♪♪
609
00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:50,488
-As a journalist and somebody
that actually has worked
610
00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:54,759
quite closely
with psychology and trauma,
611
00:34:54,826 --> 00:34:57,361
I really feel that for Amanda,
612
00:34:57,395 --> 00:35:02,600
it was all about a need to feel
wanted and important.
613
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:08,606
-She's committed. She's 100 in.
614
00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:18,716
But social media is a platform
for people to fool people.
615
00:35:18,749 --> 00:35:22,120
you only see what they show you,
616
00:35:22,186 --> 00:35:25,723
-She was preying
on people's emotions.
617
00:35:25,756 --> 00:35:27,959
She was deceiving them.
618
00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:30,261
And I could do something.
619
00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:32,263
-Once Special Agent Lee got
involved,
620
00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:34,432
it was only a matter of time
621
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:39,237
until -- pshew -- Amanda's
whole world came tumbling down.
622
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,905
-Police! Search warrant!
623
00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:42,640
-And it was all caught
on camera.
624
00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:43,674
[ Indistinct shouting ]
625
00:35:43,674 --> 00:35:47,378
[ Indistinct shouting ]
626
00:35:47,512 --> 00:35:47,545
-L
627
00:35:47,545 --> 00:35:47,612
-Loo
628
00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:47,645
-Look
629
00:35:47,645 --> 00:35:47,678
-Look at
630
00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:47,712
-Look at t
631
00:35:47,712 --> 00:35:47,778
-Look at the
632
00:35:47,778 --> 00:35:47,812
-Look at the b
633
00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:47,845
-Look at the bab
634
00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:47,879
-Look at the baby!
635
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:47,945
-Look at the baby! [
636
00:35:47,945 --> 00:35:47,979
-Look at the baby! [ L
637
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:48,012
-Look at the baby! [ Lau
638
00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:48,045
-Look at the baby! [ Laugh
639
00:35:48,045 --> 00:35:48,112
-Look at the baby! [ Laughin
640
00:35:48,112 --> 00:35:48,146
-Look at the baby! [ Laughing
641
00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,313
-Look at the baby! [ Laughing ]
642
00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:50,948
Hi!
643
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,285
Look at her. She's so cute.
644
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,720
Hi, baby.
645
00:35:55,786 --> 00:35:58,956
-I really felt for Cory's
ex-wife, Aletta,
646
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:02,393
because when I first
started speaking to her,
647
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:05,663
she had just recently lost
custody of Jessa.
648
00:36:07,298 --> 00:36:11,636
-Cory and I had a daughter,
Jessa.
649
00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:13,137
I lost custody.
650
00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:17,508
I had to pay thousands of
dollars in child support.
651
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:24,649
I had to take her to the
courthouse and leave her there.
652
00:36:27,151 --> 00:36:28,486
[ Sobs ]
653
00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,557
All these years later,
and it's still, um --
654
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:36,060
It's just as painful
as it was back then.
655
00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:48,239
♪♪
656
00:36:48,272 --> 00:36:53,177
♪♪
657
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,446
-When you have
a criminal investigation,
658
00:36:55,513 --> 00:36:58,683
I'm not able to share
the information that I have.
659
00:37:01,786 --> 00:37:05,189
I couldn't share with them
the progress of the case.
660
00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:08,793
And so the only thing
I could come up with
661
00:37:08,859 --> 00:37:12,463
was just let them know
the case is still alive
662
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,299
but the wheels of justice
move slowly.
663
00:37:17,768 --> 00:37:21,472
-I had reached out a couple of
times to know what was going on.
664
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:25,109
All she could say is "the wheels
of justice turn slowly."
665
00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:26,377
[ Laughs ]
666
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:27,778
Which was a good thing for me
667
00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,114
because I knew
something was going on.
668
00:37:30,147 --> 00:37:34,252
♪♪
669
00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:37,121
-We're in the process
of gaining the evidence to prove
670
00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:40,491
that the person committed
a crime.
671
00:37:40,558 --> 00:37:45,630
And because Nancy was the keeper
of all of this information,
672
00:37:45,663 --> 00:37:51,836
I had to go back to her and get
additional bits of information.
673
00:37:51,902 --> 00:37:57,742
And she figured out that I
was working on a search warrant.
674
00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,177
-It was just one of those things
that I went "Oh!
675
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:02,513
Okay, this has got to be
what's coming up."
676
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,320
-Nancy and I would talk often.
677
00:38:09,353 --> 00:38:12,256
I found out that there was going
to be a raid at their home.
678
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,626
So I called my sister and I
said, "Hey, we gotta go."
679
00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:21,299
-We went up to San Jose
to wait this out
680
00:38:21,332 --> 00:38:24,268
and see if this was
going to be happening.
681
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,537
-Okay, so I'm rolling. Anytime.
682
00:38:26,604 --> 00:38:29,840
-We had a couple of camera
people, a reporter, myself.
683
00:38:31,842 --> 00:38:34,011
-We are in San Jose, California.
684
00:38:34,045 --> 00:38:37,515
It is 6:00 in the morning,
and we got a tip
685
00:38:37,548 --> 00:38:40,117
that there's going to be some
kind of a search warrant
686
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:44,455
served on Amanda's house,
which is literally right there.
687
00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:51,562
-All of a sudden,
all these SUVs start pulling up
688
00:38:51,629 --> 00:38:53,197
in front of the property.
689
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:55,199
It was all caught on camera.
690
00:38:55,232 --> 00:38:57,535
And agents just start
hopping out of it
691
00:38:57,568 --> 00:39:01,539
with body armor and guns
drawn and helmets.
692
00:39:01,572 --> 00:39:03,641
-Police! Search warrant!
693
00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:05,543
-Describe what you're seeing.
[ Indistinct shouting ]
694
00:39:05,576 --> 00:39:07,678
-Our reporter's running out.
695
00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:10,214
We're getting the play-by-play
while all this is unfolding.
696
00:39:10,247 --> 00:39:11,882
-You can hear them.
They're knocking on the door
697
00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:13,818
and they're saying,
"We've got a warrant."
698
00:39:13,851 --> 00:39:15,553
[ Shouting continues ]
699
00:39:15,586 --> 00:39:18,823
-Nancy was there,
filming it all.
700
00:39:21,158 --> 00:39:26,063
-It was like, "Ha! You're lying,
and you're getting caught."
701
00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:30,901
♪♪
702
00:39:30,935 --> 00:39:33,704
-All of a sudden, like, this
house that you're safe in
703
00:39:33,738 --> 00:39:37,108
is now filled with armed people.
704
00:39:40,111 --> 00:39:42,246
We pull everybody out
to the living room,
705
00:39:42,279 --> 00:39:46,417
and I'm sitting in a chair
across from Amanda,
706
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:48,419
and next to us is the kitchen
707
00:39:48,452 --> 00:39:49,920
where there's computers
and stuff,
708
00:39:49,954 --> 00:39:51,255
and they're going
through everything.
709
00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,759
But Amanda's not
nervous-looking.
710
00:39:54,792 --> 00:39:58,696
She's not biting her
fingernails.
711
00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:00,264
And she just looked at me
712
00:40:00,297 --> 00:40:03,801
and she says,
713
00:40:03,868 --> 00:40:05,403
"You're Martinez."
714
00:40:05,436 --> 00:40:09,473
It was just almost unnerving.
715
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:12,576
-I saw the agents
carrying out boxes of equipment.
716
00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:14,412
I saw an oxygen tank.
717
00:40:14,445 --> 00:40:17,548
I saw tubing,
one of those IV poles.
718
00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:20,618
-Amanda and Cory
eventually came out
719
00:40:20,651 --> 00:40:23,087
when the whole thing
had finished.
720
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,890
-Our reporter and
camera crew was still there.
721
00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:27,558
-Could you talk to us about
what's going on
722
00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:29,293
inside your house?
-Nope.
723
00:40:29,326 --> 00:40:31,996
-What about your wife
and allegations
724
00:40:32,062 --> 00:40:35,433
that she's been raising money
but doesn't have cancer?
725
00:40:35,466 --> 00:40:39,637
I'm thinking "Wow. This
is gonna really stop her now."
726
00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:44,341
Boy, was I wrong.
727
00:40:48,078 --> 00:40:57,588
♪♪
728
00:40:57,621 --> 00:41:07,665
♪♪
729
00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:15,940
♪♪
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