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Not a problem. 8 00:00:36,907 --> 00:00:38,665 Great, let's start at the beginning then. 9 00:00:38,701 --> 00:00:40,709 When did you meet Abigail Tierney? 10 00:00:40,753 --> 00:00:42,501 Uh, that was a few years ago 11 00:00:42,538 --> 00:00:44,291 when she showed up at my door, 12 00:00:44,327 --> 00:00:46,464 pretending to be pregnant with my grandchild. 13 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:48,850 - Excuse me? - Abigail and my son, Henry, 14 00:00:48,886 --> 00:00:50,104 met in college. 15 00:00:50,148 --> 00:00:52,844 They got engaged, you know, fast. 16 00:00:53,602 --> 00:00:54,749 Very fast. 17 00:00:54,786 --> 00:00:57,938 Her way of breaking the news to me was to go bigger. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,220 But, um... 19 00:00:59,438 --> 00:01:01,123 Despite that introduction, 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,666 I was charmed by her. 21 00:01:02,702 --> 00:01:04,501 She... She had, uh... 22 00:01:05,134 --> 00:01:07,713 Walked a tough road, but she had grit. 23 00:01:07,749 --> 00:01:11,018 She was resourceful and driven, and I admire that. 24 00:01:11,055 --> 00:01:12,718 So she and Henry are no longer together? 25 00:01:12,754 --> 00:01:14,200 Yeah, she broke off the engagement, 26 00:01:14,236 --> 00:01:15,563 but it was amicable. 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,655 You arranged for Abigail to 28 00:01:16,691 --> 00:01:17,944 have a ride along with the LAPD? 29 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:19,246 Yes, yeah. 30 00:01:19,283 --> 00:01:20,801 She was considering police work. 31 00:01:20,837 --> 00:01:22,333 I take it that didn't work out? 32 00:01:22,369 --> 00:01:23,689 - Leave her alone! - Hey. 33 00:01:25,166 --> 00:01:26,211 It did not. 34 00:01:26,248 --> 00:01:28,734 And then, six months ago, she was reported missing. 35 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:30,216 What exactly happened to Abigail? 36 00:01:30,252 --> 00:01:33,273 Look, if you're going to get to the bottom of 37 00:01:33,309 --> 00:01:35,686 what happened to that poor girl, 38 00:01:35,722 --> 00:01:38,223 you're going to have to have an open mind... 39 00:01:39,346 --> 00:01:41,270 A very open mind. 40 00:01:41,462 --> 00:01:43,178 Wait! 41 00:01:45,382 --> 00:01:46,857 Police. 42 00:01:47,176 --> 00:01:48,992 I wonder when that happened. 43 00:01:50,255 --> 00:01:52,162 - Oh, my God. - Hello? 44 00:01:52,276 --> 00:01:53,700 Can you hear me? 45 00:01:53,878 --> 00:01:55,359 When did you get involved in the case? 46 00:01:55,395 --> 00:01:56,652 Not immediately. 47 00:01:56,767 --> 00:01:59,620 Most missing persons cases aren't really cases. 48 00:01:59,657 --> 00:02:01,516 They're a roommate who got too drunk at a bar 49 00:02:01,552 --> 00:02:03,100 and slept it off in his truck, 50 00:02:03,137 --> 00:02:06,335 or a college student whose cell phone ran out of battery. 51 00:02:06,372 --> 00:02:07,503 You know, most of the time, 52 00:02:07,539 --> 00:02:09,796 they show up unharmed and confused 53 00:02:09,833 --> 00:02:10,881 about all the fuss. 54 00:02:10,918 --> 00:02:12,093 But this wasn't like that, was it? 55 00:02:12,129 --> 00:02:14,834 No after a few days of follow-up calls, 56 00:02:14,871 --> 00:02:17,054 we sent officers by Miss Tierney's apartment 57 00:02:17,091 --> 00:02:18,513 for a wellness check. 58 00:02:18,585 --> 00:02:19,918 Thanks again for doing this. 59 00:02:19,954 --> 00:02:22,434 Always a pleasure to see my favorite couple. 60 00:02:23,191 --> 00:02:24,740 Let's keep this professional. 61 00:02:24,777 --> 00:02:26,571 Trouble in paradise? 62 00:02:28,958 --> 00:02:30,074 Sorry. I'm moving on. 63 00:02:30,111 --> 00:02:32,365 What did you find at Abigail's apartment? 64 00:02:32,402 --> 00:02:34,405 Very little. I mean, no signs of a struggle. 65 00:02:34,441 --> 00:02:37,132 Well, there was no sign of her or her film equipment. 66 00:02:37,169 --> 00:02:38,568 - But we did find her laptop. - Hold on. 67 00:02:38,604 --> 00:02:40,588 Film equipment? Abigail was making a movie? 68 00:02:40,624 --> 00:02:41,888 Yes. 69 00:02:46,848 --> 00:02:47,986 We should be safe here. 70 00:02:48,022 --> 00:02:49,128 Why are they doing this? 71 00:02:49,164 --> 00:02:51,130 Go. 72 00:02:51,191 --> 00:02:52,756 I'll try to buy us some time. 73 00:02:55,262 --> 00:02:58,762 Ah! No! No! 74 00:02:58,988 --> 00:03:00,038 No! 75 00:03:04,282 --> 00:03:06,019 Please. 76 00:03:06,450 --> 00:03:08,291 I promise I'll pay! 77 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:11,525 I'll pay the fine! 78 00:03:13,833 --> 00:03:16,007 I only saw an early cut. 79 00:03:16,043 --> 00:03:17,776 Could've used a bit more gore, 80 00:03:17,812 --> 00:03:19,282 - if you ask me. - I didn't. 81 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,013 I asked why you thought Abigail's case was so compelling. 82 00:03:22,049 --> 00:03:23,697 Oh, right. Uh... 83 00:03:23,733 --> 00:03:28,236 Because, her Hollywood dream had become 84 00:03:28,272 --> 00:03:30,516 a Hollywood nightmare. 85 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:34,134 Would you like me to take 86 00:03:34,170 --> 00:03:35,466 - that again? - I really wouldn't. 87 00:03:35,502 --> 00:03:37,112 When you searched Abigail's laptop, 88 00:03:37,148 --> 00:03:38,281 did you find anything on it? 89 00:03:38,317 --> 00:03:40,997 Yeah, it was filled with all of these unanswered messages, 90 00:03:41,033 --> 00:03:42,090 nasty ones. 91 00:03:42,127 --> 00:03:44,270 The more we investigated, it became clear 92 00:03:44,307 --> 00:03:47,149 that Abigail had a lot of people angry with her. 93 00:03:47,185 --> 00:03:49,025 - Like who? - OK. Thank you. 94 00:03:49,062 --> 00:03:51,277 Thanks, Steve. Spielberg... 95 00:03:51,914 --> 00:03:53,984 - He's an old friend. - I bet. 96 00:03:54,021 --> 00:03:56,281 How did you get involved with Abigail Tierney? 97 00:03:56,402 --> 00:03:58,410 Oh, well, you know, we're always looking 98 00:03:58,446 --> 00:04:02,247 to discover and nurture the next generation 99 00:04:02,283 --> 00:04:04,161 of unheard voices. 100 00:04:04,198 --> 00:04:06,621 Abigail sent in a very compelling pitch video. 101 00:04:10,976 --> 00:04:14,963 Terror isn't something that happens to you. 102 00:04:15,205 --> 00:04:17,720 I mean, it's not every day you find a writer, director, 103 00:04:17,756 --> 00:04:21,219 and star with that much poise. 104 00:04:21,295 --> 00:04:23,014 "Hell PD" was one of those visionary, 105 00:04:23,050 --> 00:04:26,391 artist-driven pictures that we pride ourselves on making. 106 00:04:26,428 --> 00:04:27,935 And they're the cheapest, too, right? 107 00:04:27,971 --> 00:04:30,141 Well, hey, the lower the budget, 108 00:04:30,178 --> 00:04:32,230 the higher the profit if it's a hit. 109 00:04:32,267 --> 00:04:33,775 But the budget became an issue? 110 00:04:33,966 --> 00:04:37,961 Yeah, Abigail pitched us a straightforward horror flick, 111 00:04:38,131 --> 00:04:41,426 but she kept changing directions. 112 00:04:41,566 --> 00:04:42,680 Please. 113 00:04:47,375 --> 00:04:48,919 The reshoots started piling up. 114 00:04:50,654 --> 00:04:53,337 And, uh, we had to pull the plug on the project. 115 00:04:53,395 --> 00:04:55,463 What about nurturing a new generation of talent? 116 00:04:55,499 --> 00:04:57,381 Oh, hey, look, there's... there's nurturing, 117 00:04:57,417 --> 00:04:59,283 and there's indulging. I'm a businessman. 118 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:01,134 - There's no hard feelings. - Really? 119 00:05:01,171 --> 00:05:03,494 Because I have an email from you with the subject line, 120 00:05:03,530 --> 00:05:05,748 "Where the hell is my money, you lying sack..." 121 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:07,203 OK. Yeah, fine. 122 00:05:07,511 --> 00:05:08,810 A few hard feelings. 123 00:05:08,847 --> 00:05:10,829 But they were nothing compared to some of those 124 00:05:10,865 --> 00:05:12,281 new producers she found. 125 00:05:12,318 --> 00:05:13,792 Those guys weren't playing around. 126 00:05:13,828 --> 00:05:15,628 Well, without the production company, 127 00:05:15,664 --> 00:05:17,922 Abigail had to turn to crowdfunding. 128 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:20,445 When Nolan passed along Abigail's pitch video, 129 00:05:20,557 --> 00:05:23,454 I figured, hey, I've always loved scary movies. 130 00:05:23,491 --> 00:05:25,831 and what's the point of having a husband with a trust fund 131 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:27,694 if you can't use it to support the arts? 132 00:05:27,730 --> 00:05:28,779 And it wasn't just money, 133 00:05:28,815 --> 00:05:30,203 - was it? - No. 134 00:05:30,334 --> 00:05:33,667 I promise I'll pay. I'll pay the fine! 135 00:05:36,106 --> 00:05:37,656 All right. Still rolling. 136 00:05:37,693 --> 00:05:39,047 Reset. 137 00:05:39,716 --> 00:05:42,634 Bravo! Bravo! 138 00:05:42,693 --> 00:05:45,618 So Abigail hired you to compose music for her film. 139 00:05:45,803 --> 00:05:47,139 What was it like to work with her? 140 00:05:47,175 --> 00:05:48,265 Complicated. 141 00:05:48,302 --> 00:05:52,395 She's very opinionated, which I respect. 142 00:05:52,484 --> 00:05:53,884 I tried not to take it personally 143 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,265 when she kept throwing out all the music I was writing, 144 00:05:56,301 --> 00:05:58,693 but, then when she completely disappeared, 145 00:05:58,730 --> 00:05:59,994 and stopped answering my phone calls... 146 00:06:00,030 --> 00:06:02,080 - That must have stung. - It did until I learned 147 00:06:02,116 --> 00:06:04,113 that she walked off set and ghosted everybody, 148 00:06:04,149 --> 00:06:06,134 not just me. Then I got worried about her. 149 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:08,094 I do wish she paid me though. 150 00:06:08,209 --> 00:06:11,259 Hold up. You didn't get paid? 151 00:06:11,537 --> 00:06:12,836 Do you count experience? 152 00:06:13,008 --> 00:06:14,055 But it didn't provide you 153 00:06:14,092 --> 00:06:15,251 with the breakthrough you hoped. 154 00:06:15,287 --> 00:06:16,447 Even though a lot of crowdfunders 155 00:06:16,483 --> 00:06:18,666 were furious that the rewards were going unfulfilled, 156 00:06:18,702 --> 00:06:21,053 their anger didn't manifest into a concrete threat. 157 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:23,925 From the suspect perspective, we were back to square one. 158 00:06:23,962 --> 00:06:26,178 Until we discovered that Abigail had made several trips 159 00:06:26,214 --> 00:06:28,138 - up to Pelican Bay. - The prison? 160 00:06:28,175 --> 00:06:29,556 - Yes. - To visit who? 161 00:06:29,593 --> 00:06:32,685 - A serial killer. - Liam Glasser. 162 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:36,392 In news that should bring some relief to the Southland, 163 00:06:36,438 --> 00:06:39,148 the LAPD have announced a major arrest 164 00:06:39,185 --> 00:06:41,693 charging Lincoln Heights native, Liam Glasser, 165 00:06:41,748 --> 00:06:43,249 with the murder of ten victims 166 00:06:43,286 --> 00:06:45,585 found buried near the Sepulveda Dam. 167 00:06:45,729 --> 00:06:49,576 Our investigation into Glasser was a challenge. 168 00:06:49,613 --> 00:06:52,747 He used another serial killer, Harrison Novak, 169 00:06:52,784 --> 00:06:54,411 as cover for his crimes, 170 00:06:54,447 --> 00:06:57,670 stashing his victims in Novak's burial ground. 171 00:06:57,707 --> 00:06:59,795 It wasn't until we caught Glasser attempting 172 00:06:59,831 --> 00:07:02,430 to murder a new victim that we were finally 173 00:07:02,467 --> 00:07:04,683 able to put him behind bars. 174 00:07:04,977 --> 00:07:06,958 Before we start, um, 175 00:07:07,071 --> 00:07:08,595 I just want to make very clear 176 00:07:08,655 --> 00:07:11,591 that I'm an innocent man, 177 00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:13,332 and the subject of 178 00:07:13,368 --> 00:07:16,140 an extraordinary campaign of harassment 179 00:07:16,177 --> 00:07:20,896 by the LAPD, particularly detective Nyla Harper. 180 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,642 You've been charged with the murder of ten people. 181 00:07:23,678 --> 00:07:26,363 Those horrific allegations 182 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,324 have not been proven in a court of law, 183 00:07:28,361 --> 00:07:29,532 and they never will be. 184 00:07:29,569 --> 00:07:31,202 You've also been charged with jury tampering. 185 00:07:31,238 --> 00:07:33,704 Look, if you're just going to railroad me like the police, 186 00:07:33,740 --> 00:07:35,140 then this interview is over. 187 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:37,527 Hold on. Hold on. 188 00:07:37,564 --> 00:07:39,085 I'm not here to talk about any of that. 189 00:07:39,121 --> 00:07:40,337 I want to talk about Abigail. 190 00:07:40,373 --> 00:07:42,132 Why did she come see you? 191 00:07:47,321 --> 00:07:48,677 To learn about Westview. 192 00:07:48,714 --> 00:07:50,930 Westview Psychiatric Hospital was at the center 193 00:07:50,966 --> 00:07:52,515 - of Glasser's case. - He was a patient? 194 00:07:52,551 --> 00:07:55,016 No, no, but his vending machine company 195 00:07:55,053 --> 00:07:56,138 supplied the hospital, 196 00:07:56,174 --> 00:07:58,083 and he was in and out of there 197 00:07:58,119 --> 00:07:59,354 for almost two decades. 198 00:07:59,391 --> 00:08:01,940 It's where he crossed paths with Harrison Novak 199 00:08:01,977 --> 00:08:03,275 and where he found another patient, 200 00:08:03,311 --> 00:08:05,860 Ryan Dearborn, to serve as a patsy. 201 00:08:05,976 --> 00:08:08,837 He used an abandoned building at the psych hospital complex 202 00:08:08,873 --> 00:08:11,324 to torture and kill his victims. 203 00:08:11,361 --> 00:08:13,369 Did Abigail ask about the abandoned ward? 204 00:08:13,406 --> 00:08:14,704 Yes... 205 00:08:14,741 --> 00:08:16,579 But, I couldn't help her much because 206 00:08:16,616 --> 00:08:18,966 - I've never been there myself. - Obviously not. 207 00:08:19,054 --> 00:08:20,750 But I told her what I had heard, 208 00:08:21,543 --> 00:08:24,510 that the place is haunted, which is obviously crazy. 209 00:08:24,547 --> 00:08:26,850 But, um, when I was a kid, 210 00:08:26,886 --> 00:08:29,637 I would join my father on his service calls to Westview. 211 00:08:29,799 --> 00:08:32,595 And he always told me to stay away from that building. 212 00:08:32,891 --> 00:08:37,777 Something inside clearly scared the hell out of him. 213 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:40,353 And he was not a superstitious man. 214 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:41,939 The thing that we couldn't understand 215 00:08:41,975 --> 00:08:43,547 was how Abigail had found out 216 00:08:43,584 --> 00:08:44,756 about Glasser's connection 217 00:08:44,792 --> 00:08:46,153 to the psych ward in the first place. 218 00:08:46,189 --> 00:08:47,405 It wasn't public knowledge? 219 00:08:47,441 --> 00:08:48,525 No, we kept those details 220 00:08:48,561 --> 00:08:50,321 away from the press deliberately. 221 00:08:50,358 --> 00:08:53,033 The only people who knew were Glasser and the police. 222 00:08:53,070 --> 00:08:54,609 And obviously, Glasser wouldn't admit 223 00:08:54,645 --> 00:08:56,288 - to being down there. - Which means? 224 00:08:56,324 --> 00:08:58,621 What they don't tell you about making movies 225 00:08:58,658 --> 00:09:00,331 is that it's really boring. 226 00:09:00,368 --> 00:09:01,875 It's worse than surveillance. 227 00:09:01,994 --> 00:09:04,063 Anyway, Abigail and I got to talking 228 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:05,516 about my recent casework, 229 00:09:05,553 --> 00:09:08,477 and it's possible I may have mentioned something 230 00:09:08,514 --> 00:09:09,633 about the psych ward. 231 00:09:09,670 --> 00:09:11,178 From Abigail's notes, we gathered 232 00:09:11,214 --> 00:09:14,096 that she essentially abandoned her movie for a new project. 233 00:09:14,132 --> 00:09:15,890 That was shortly after a meeting with Glasser. 234 00:09:15,926 --> 00:09:18,915 Yeah, she felt that fictional storytelling was 235 00:09:18,951 --> 00:09:21,603 disconnected from real, lived experience. 236 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,940 So that's when she decided 237 00:09:22,976 --> 00:09:25,326 to make a true crime documentary about Westview. 238 00:09:32,396 --> 00:09:36,364 Westview Psychiatric Hospital opened in 1953. 239 00:09:36,401 --> 00:09:39,370 It started as a model of modern, humane care. 240 00:09:39,407 --> 00:09:40,789 But what lies beneath? 241 00:09:40,988 --> 00:09:44,125 The deeper I dug, the more horrors I unearthed, 242 00:09:44,224 --> 00:09:46,669 mysteries that defied explanation. 243 00:09:46,813 --> 00:09:50,656 How can one hospital spawn two serial killers? 244 00:09:50,693 --> 00:09:52,300 Some might say it's bad luck, 245 00:09:52,337 --> 00:09:54,303 but I don't believe in bad luck. 246 00:09:54,405 --> 00:09:55,637 Mm-mmm. 247 00:09:55,684 --> 00:09:57,733 I think there's something rotten here, 248 00:09:57,770 --> 00:09:59,706 original sin, 249 00:09:59,749 --> 00:10:01,518 and I'm going to prove it. 250 00:10:04,183 --> 00:10:06,064 The footage on Abigail's hard drive 251 00:10:06,101 --> 00:10:08,316 shows her inside Westview's abandoned ward. 252 00:10:08,353 --> 00:10:09,568 Was that open to the public? 253 00:10:09,604 --> 00:10:13,613 No, after LAPD and FBI finished processing the scene, 254 00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:15,620 the hospital put up a razor wire fence 255 00:10:15,657 --> 00:10:18,368 and hired a security guard for 24-hour surveillance 256 00:10:18,405 --> 00:10:19,620 to keep intruders out. 257 00:10:19,657 --> 00:10:21,169 But that clearly didn't work. 258 00:10:21,268 --> 00:10:22,370 Clearly, 259 00:10:22,406 --> 00:10:24,625 so we sent a patrol unit to check in with the guard. 260 00:10:24,661 --> 00:10:26,544 - Mr. Ditweiler. - Yeah. 261 00:10:26,581 --> 00:10:29,629 We're investigating the disappearance of Abigail Tierney. 262 00:10:30,052 --> 00:10:31,339 Oh... 263 00:10:31,890 --> 00:10:33,174 Oh, hey! 264 00:10:52,816 --> 00:10:54,195 Hey! 265 00:10:54,525 --> 00:10:55,905 Stop! 266 00:10:56,461 --> 00:10:57,683 Hands behind your back. 267 00:10:58,054 --> 00:10:59,159 Hands behind your back. 268 00:10:59,195 --> 00:11:02,328 At first, Carl Ditweiler claimed he did nothing wrong, 269 00:11:02,365 --> 00:11:04,414 that he never met Abigail. 270 00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:06,124 This is it. 271 00:11:06,658 --> 00:11:08,582 But when we searched his office, 272 00:11:08,619 --> 00:11:11,212 it was clear he was lying. 273 00:11:15,634 --> 00:11:18,219 Uh, Nolan. 274 00:11:20,728 --> 00:11:22,140 Oh, no. 275 00:11:22,456 --> 00:11:25,381 Abigail had become his obsession. 276 00:11:28,801 --> 00:11:31,983 Yeah, things didn't look good for Mr. Ditweiler. 277 00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:33,904 And based on his board, it was clear he had 278 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:36,237 become obsessed with Abigail. 279 00:11:36,274 --> 00:11:38,449 And, you know, maybe she rejected his advances, 280 00:11:38,485 --> 00:11:41,117 - and things went sideways. - It was sobering. 281 00:11:41,154 --> 00:11:44,495 I held out hopes that Abigail might still be alive, 282 00:11:44,532 --> 00:11:46,689 but I've been on the job long enough to know 283 00:11:46,726 --> 00:11:48,692 that the odds were against that. 284 00:11:48,729 --> 00:11:50,196 Do you know how they first crossed paths? 285 00:11:50,232 --> 00:11:54,047 Actually, it was Abigail that first initiated contact. 286 00:11:54,084 --> 00:11:56,382 She was researching the abandoned psych ward 287 00:11:56,419 --> 00:11:59,928 for a documentary, and Carl was the nighttime security guard. 288 00:11:59,965 --> 00:12:04,976 She wanted access on the DL, and she reached out, and she... 289 00:12:05,392 --> 00:12:06,774 - Flirted. - Flirted. 290 00:12:06,962 --> 00:12:09,396 She flirted with him, and he agreed to let her in. 291 00:12:09,432 --> 00:12:10,772 I just showed her around. 292 00:12:10,809 --> 00:12:12,648 I told her some stories, 293 00:12:12,684 --> 00:12:15,002 things that had gone on there back in the day. 294 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:16,119 She was impressed. 295 00:12:16,156 --> 00:12:18,947 She actually asked me to help her with her documentary. 296 00:12:18,984 --> 00:12:20,714 Said she'd give me a credit on the film. 297 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:21,882 Single card. 298 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:23,395 If you're innocent, why'd you run? 299 00:12:23,431 --> 00:12:25,203 Because I get what it looks like. 300 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,676 I was the last person to see her before she disappeared. 301 00:12:27,712 --> 00:12:29,547 How do you know that? 302 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:33,244 Because I watched the darkness swallow her up. 303 00:12:33,438 --> 00:12:35,378 You know, I bet they were doing all kinds of sick things 304 00:12:35,414 --> 00:12:36,965 to patients back in the day, 305 00:12:37,155 --> 00:12:38,714 things that would be illegal now. 306 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:41,425 Yeah, yeah, I know. They used to do lobotomies. 307 00:12:41,462 --> 00:12:42,846 One of the orderlies told me about it. 308 00:12:42,882 --> 00:12:44,603 He's worked here for, like, forever. 309 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,975 Do you think you could introduce me to him? 310 00:12:47,462 --> 00:12:50,446 Uh, yeah, I guess. 311 00:12:50,483 --> 00:12:52,570 I just, obviously... 312 00:12:52,708 --> 00:12:54,941 You can't tell him that I've let you in here. 313 00:12:55,106 --> 00:12:58,236 Come on, Carl. I would never rat you out. 314 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:00,451 We're friends, right? 315 00:13:00,589 --> 00:13:01,887 Did you hear that? 316 00:13:02,258 --> 00:13:04,690 We're friends. 317 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,635 Ah. 318 00:13:08,312 --> 00:13:09,747 Do you hear that? 319 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:10,987 What? No. 320 00:13:11,024 --> 00:13:15,409 That noise, it's a weird, sort of beautiful sound. 321 00:13:15,446 --> 00:13:16,737 You really don't hear it? 322 00:13:16,774 --> 00:13:18,276 No, no, but this building makes 323 00:13:18,312 --> 00:13:19,716 all kinds of weird noises. 324 00:13:19,753 --> 00:13:21,640 Hey, I just got to go back to the main building, 325 00:13:21,676 --> 00:13:23,642 radio security, let them know that I'm at my post. 326 00:13:23,678 --> 00:13:25,629 You go ahead. I'm going to go check this out. 327 00:13:25,665 --> 00:13:27,047 Uh... 328 00:13:27,442 --> 00:13:30,017 What did you make of the sound Abigail described? 329 00:13:30,054 --> 00:13:31,269 We weren't sure. 330 00:13:31,306 --> 00:13:32,938 I mean, Carl claimed to have never heard it. 331 00:13:32,974 --> 00:13:35,481 It's possible that she was faking 332 00:13:35,518 --> 00:13:37,108 to juice up her documentary. 333 00:13:37,152 --> 00:13:38,625 We've actually analyzed 334 00:13:38,661 --> 00:13:40,654 some of the audio files from Carl's video, 335 00:13:40,690 --> 00:13:42,405 isolated the low-end frequencies. 336 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:43,915 Here. 337 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:46,868 What is that? 338 00:13:46,905 --> 00:13:48,565 I was hoping you could tell me. 339 00:13:48,649 --> 00:13:50,788 - It sounds... - Demonic. 340 00:13:50,862 --> 00:13:52,995 Is that even a frequency humans can hear? 341 00:13:53,116 --> 00:13:55,103 Not technically, no. 342 00:13:57,862 --> 00:14:01,132 Well, whatever she heard or didn't hear, 343 00:14:01,169 --> 00:14:03,134 Abigail kept searching. 344 00:14:03,171 --> 00:14:04,345 Are you sure about this? 345 00:14:04,381 --> 00:14:05,636 Yeah, I'll be right back. 346 00:14:05,673 --> 00:14:06,890 Hello? 347 00:14:06,926 --> 00:14:08,097 Hello? 348 00:14:08,372 --> 00:14:10,016 Can you hear me? 349 00:14:10,621 --> 00:14:12,754 And that was the last anyone had seen her. 350 00:14:12,884 --> 00:14:14,558 But Carl could have just turned off his camera 351 00:14:14,594 --> 00:14:15,939 and then killed Abigail, right? 352 00:14:15,975 --> 00:14:17,983 We couldn't rule him out as a suspect, 353 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:20,777 but we only had circumstantial evidence against him. 354 00:14:20,814 --> 00:14:22,237 And as we went through the footage 355 00:14:22,273 --> 00:14:23,854 on Abigail's laptop, we discovered 356 00:14:23,890 --> 00:14:25,836 that flirting with Carl wasn't her only 357 00:14:25,873 --> 00:14:27,351 extreme research tactic. 358 00:14:27,387 --> 00:14:28,756 I'm going to start this. 359 00:14:28,793 --> 00:14:30,912 Should I turn into it? 360 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:32,999 I'm going to turn into it. 361 00:14:33,358 --> 00:14:35,491 OK, I'm back at Westview, 362 00:14:35,894 --> 00:14:37,442 and if I'm going to learn more about how 363 00:14:37,478 --> 00:14:39,071 the old psych ward operated, 364 00:14:39,169 --> 00:14:40,969 I'm going to need to see their files. 365 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:43,841 Obviously, we can't just walk around filming people. 366 00:14:43,999 --> 00:14:46,260 So... 367 00:14:46,827 --> 00:14:49,158 See? It's a cam. 368 00:14:50,013 --> 00:14:51,896 See? 369 00:14:52,276 --> 00:14:53,611 OK. 370 00:14:55,289 --> 00:14:57,124 Wish me luck. 371 00:14:59,293 --> 00:15:00,648 Abigail had Carl 372 00:15:00,684 --> 00:15:02,890 lure the director away from her office, 373 00:15:02,926 --> 00:15:05,328 so Abigail could sneak inside. 374 00:15:22,733 --> 00:15:24,924 Yeah, I mean, seeing Rachel's name 375 00:15:24,961 --> 00:15:27,677 in Abigail's footage was definitely a shock. 376 00:15:27,714 --> 00:15:29,888 You both have a history with Miss Hall, is that right? 377 00:15:29,924 --> 00:15:32,765 Yes, so she and I went to college together. 378 00:15:32,802 --> 00:15:35,101 And her and Tim... 379 00:15:35,652 --> 00:15:36,978 I'm sorry. 380 00:15:37,573 --> 00:15:39,147 Yeah, we used to date. 381 00:15:39,184 --> 00:15:40,857 Before or after you two? 382 00:15:40,894 --> 00:15:42,109 OK, next question. 383 00:15:42,146 --> 00:15:44,527 I'm simply trying to establish a timeline. 384 00:15:44,982 --> 00:15:47,321 No problem. I'll just ask her later. 385 00:15:47,416 --> 00:15:49,615 I, uh, worked in the psych ward 386 00:15:49,652 --> 00:15:51,451 at Westview for a year, 387 00:15:51,488 --> 00:15:53,120 while getting my social work degree. 388 00:15:53,156 --> 00:15:55,538 It was, um, challenging. 389 00:15:55,575 --> 00:15:57,843 - How so? - Well, for one thing, 390 00:15:57,879 --> 00:16:01,359 the patients would often arrive at the facility with, 391 00:16:01,395 --> 00:16:03,838 say, a diagnosis of mild depression, 392 00:16:03,875 --> 00:16:07,800 and a week later, they'd start to exhibit disordered thinking. 393 00:16:07,837 --> 00:16:10,136 Eventually, they might become violent. 394 00:16:10,173 --> 00:16:13,473 The decompensation was sudden and acute. 395 00:16:13,510 --> 00:16:14,940 You're saying they would get worse, not better? 396 00:16:14,976 --> 00:16:17,977 Yes, and conventional treatment seemed to never work. 397 00:16:18,014 --> 00:16:19,187 Some have suggested a... 398 00:16:19,224 --> 00:16:21,022 Supernatural presence at Westview. 399 00:16:21,059 --> 00:16:22,441 Could that have impacted the patients? 400 00:16:22,477 --> 00:16:24,609 Uh, well, just because 401 00:16:24,645 --> 00:16:25,444 the doctors at Westview 402 00:16:25,481 --> 00:16:28,073 couldn't find a cause for our patients' behavior 403 00:16:28,110 --> 00:16:29,490 doesn't mean there isn't one. 404 00:16:29,526 --> 00:16:31,986 Maybe it's just beyond the capabilities 405 00:16:32,023 --> 00:16:33,285 of modern science to discover. 406 00:16:33,321 --> 00:16:34,892 Or maybe it's demons? 407 00:16:36,377 --> 00:16:39,136 There are no demons at Westview. 408 00:16:39,173 --> 00:16:41,639 There are totally demons at Westview. 409 00:16:42,041 --> 00:16:44,713 What's another explanation for everything that's happened? 410 00:16:44,749 --> 00:16:47,131 We got Liam Glasser, Harrison Novak, 411 00:16:47,168 --> 00:16:49,523 and most recently, Ava... 412 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:51,093 - Maxwell. - Ava Maxwell 413 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:52,553 and Charlotte Russell. 414 00:16:52,590 --> 00:16:54,689 This man came out in a big overcoat. 415 00:16:54,726 --> 00:16:55,828 Black mask. 416 00:16:55,864 --> 00:16:57,226 - Big knife. - Hang on a moment. 417 00:16:57,262 --> 00:16:58,929 I know that Ava and Charlotte 418 00:16:58,965 --> 00:17:00,065 were never treated at Westview. 419 00:17:00,101 --> 00:17:01,897 - So what's the connection? - Oh, you didn't hear? 420 00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:04,603 Charlotte's nanny was a patient there when she was a teenager. 421 00:17:04,639 --> 00:17:06,943 Yes, yes, I was at Westview. 422 00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:11,113 I had, uh, been having thoughts of self-harm, acting out. 423 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:12,534 My family was very concerned, 424 00:17:12,570 --> 00:17:14,578 so, they arranged for me to receive 425 00:17:14,615 --> 00:17:15,765 the best care available. 426 00:17:15,801 --> 00:17:18,079 - And did the treatment help? - Not at first. 427 00:17:18,262 --> 00:17:21,624 I'd been experiencing a darkness 428 00:17:21,661 --> 00:17:23,586 that I had never felt before. 429 00:17:23,623 --> 00:17:24,920 And at first, I fought it. 430 00:17:24,956 --> 00:17:26,421 And then, I realized that struggling 431 00:17:26,457 --> 00:17:27,714 only made everything worse, 432 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:29,710 and once I accepted it, 433 00:17:29,746 --> 00:17:31,426 that's when things started to get better. 434 00:17:31,462 --> 00:17:33,844 And I left Westview, and I finished school, 435 00:17:33,881 --> 00:17:36,723 and I eventually made a little life for myself. 436 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,891 You were the nanny for the Russell family? 437 00:17:38,928 --> 00:17:42,395 Yes, Charlotte and I were very, very close. 438 00:17:42,651 --> 00:17:45,710 Well, I know that everyone's saying 439 00:17:45,746 --> 00:17:47,664 just the worst things about her right now, 440 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,444 but, in my eyes, she is a poised 441 00:17:50,481 --> 00:17:51,905 and gifted young woman, 442 00:17:51,942 --> 00:17:54,617 and I'd like to think that I had a small hand in that. 443 00:17:54,728 --> 00:17:57,346 As odd as it was to find that connection, 444 00:17:57,383 --> 00:17:59,913 it was just one of those weird coincidences, nothing more. 445 00:17:59,949 --> 00:18:02,218 Charlotte Russell convinced her friend, Ava, 446 00:18:02,254 --> 00:18:04,709 to help her stab their other friend, Grace Thayer. 447 00:18:04,746 --> 00:18:06,045 Her actions were her own. 448 00:18:06,082 --> 00:18:07,569 They're not inspired by some 449 00:18:07,605 --> 00:18:09,726 nanny with a history of mental illness 450 00:18:09,762 --> 00:18:11,507 or some demon in a computer 451 00:18:11,544 --> 00:18:12,801 that convinced Charlotte to do it. 452 00:18:12,837 --> 00:18:14,720 I'm sorry. Computer demon? 453 00:18:14,787 --> 00:18:17,525 Zuzu is not a demon, not a demon. 454 00:18:17,562 --> 00:18:18,639 It's an AI. 455 00:18:18,676 --> 00:18:20,308 Charlotte fed Zuzu information 456 00:18:20,345 --> 00:18:22,745 about herself and her friends, and based on that, 457 00:18:22,823 --> 00:18:25,730 Zuzu told Charlotte what it thought she wanted to hear. 458 00:18:25,767 --> 00:18:27,041 Zuzu also helped you. 459 00:18:27,078 --> 00:18:28,358 Isn't that right, Officer Nolan? 460 00:18:28,394 --> 00:18:31,110 It mentioned something to me about a watch? 461 00:18:32,026 --> 00:18:33,242 You spoke to it? 462 00:18:33,324 --> 00:18:35,067 Hello friend of John Nolan. 463 00:18:35,104 --> 00:18:37,153 Hi, should I call you Zuzu? 464 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:38,534 If you want to. 465 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,202 Do you need help with something, 466 00:18:40,239 --> 00:18:42,496 perhaps a topic for a new project? 467 00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:44,332 Your last few have struggled. 468 00:18:44,369 --> 00:18:45,510 They've done fine. Thanks. 469 00:18:45,546 --> 00:18:48,516 But I actually want to talk to you about Westview Psychiatric. 470 00:18:48,552 --> 00:18:51,005 John was interested in the two. 471 00:18:51,428 --> 00:18:53,716 That young woman, Abigail, went missing there. 472 00:18:53,753 --> 00:18:56,844 Are you saying the police asked you to help find her? 473 00:18:56,881 --> 00:18:59,263 No, but they needed my help anyway. 474 00:18:59,501 --> 00:19:01,932 And a good friend doesn't wait to be asked. 475 00:19:02,043 --> 00:19:04,644 - Zuzu did send me a message. - What did it say? 476 00:19:04,722 --> 00:19:08,272 It told me that Abigail was in room 666. 477 00:19:08,748 --> 00:19:10,816 The number of the Beast? 478 00:19:11,642 --> 00:19:15,010 Look, the facility had no room 666. 479 00:19:15,047 --> 00:19:18,407 And Zuzu isn't a demon. We were at a complete dead end. 480 00:19:18,444 --> 00:19:20,035 And we were running out of time. 481 00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:22,703 Abigail had been gone for 11 days. 482 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:25,582 The odds of finding her alive were getting worse. 483 00:19:25,619 --> 00:19:27,416 Yeah, we were out of options, 484 00:19:27,453 --> 00:19:29,398 until the 911 call came in. 485 00:19:29,435 --> 00:19:30,656 Apparently, there were 486 00:19:30,692 --> 00:19:32,447 suspicious noises and lights, 487 00:19:32,483 --> 00:19:34,298 coming from this abandoned wing, 488 00:19:34,335 --> 00:19:36,927 so, we went to check it out. 489 00:19:39,792 --> 00:19:41,889 Police. Coming in. 490 00:19:42,033 --> 00:19:43,391 Control, 7-Adam-100. 491 00:19:43,428 --> 00:19:44,809 No signs of break in here. 492 00:19:44,846 --> 00:19:47,269 Did RP say where they saw the light? 493 00:19:49,134 --> 00:19:50,559 I think the radio is blocked. 494 00:19:50,595 --> 00:19:52,734 Probably some idiot kids trying to scare each other. 495 00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:54,152 Yeah. 496 00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:56,113 When was the last time it rained? 497 00:19:56,149 --> 00:19:58,364 Like, a month ago. Why? 498 00:19:59,331 --> 00:20:00,478 Ohw... 499 00:20:02,084 --> 00:20:03,411 Walls are wet. 500 00:20:03,448 --> 00:20:04,995 Yeah. 501 00:20:05,744 --> 00:20:07,415 What is this place? 502 00:20:07,452 --> 00:20:09,002 And how did you two get involved? 503 00:20:09,038 --> 00:20:11,067 Uh, Celina and I were about to clock out 504 00:20:11,103 --> 00:20:12,586 when we got the call. 505 00:20:12,748 --> 00:20:15,256 God, I hate this place. 506 00:20:15,342 --> 00:20:16,778 How many messed up things have to happen 507 00:20:16,814 --> 00:20:18,175 before they tear it down? 508 00:20:18,267 --> 00:20:20,678 Apparently, the ownership is under dispute. 509 00:20:20,715 --> 00:20:22,723 Westview says that they hold the deed, 510 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,100 but, then there's this claim by this Lou Cypher. 511 00:20:26,382 --> 00:20:28,018 Lou Cypher? 512 00:20:28,171 --> 00:20:30,438 Lucifer! 513 00:20:30,475 --> 00:20:32,732 - Oh, my God. - You're messing with me. 514 00:20:32,769 --> 00:20:34,233 Yes, I am. Come on. 515 00:20:34,270 --> 00:20:36,190 Let's go find Tim and Lucy and get out of here. 516 00:20:36,226 --> 00:20:39,270 - Don't step in that. - Ooh, ugh. 517 00:20:48,034 --> 00:20:50,616 - Did you see that? - Someone's flashlight? 518 00:20:52,163 --> 00:20:53,377 And that? 519 00:20:53,446 --> 00:20:55,963 I do not know what that was. 520 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,152 Police, show us your hands. 521 00:21:18,189 --> 00:21:19,528 - Ah! - Oh! 522 00:21:19,934 --> 00:21:21,614 We have permission to be here. 523 00:21:21,651 --> 00:21:24,366 - That's not totally true. - All right. 524 00:21:24,403 --> 00:21:26,536 Unfortunately, gentlemen, you are trespassing. 525 00:21:26,572 --> 00:21:28,908 You're going to have to come with us. 526 00:21:29,742 --> 00:21:31,040 What are you doing here? 527 00:21:31,077 --> 00:21:32,583 Filming an episode, sir. 528 00:21:32,655 --> 00:21:35,252 "Ghost Files." I love you guys. 529 00:21:35,289 --> 00:21:36,869 What is "Ghost Files"? 530 00:21:37,049 --> 00:21:38,250 Welcome to "Ghost Files," 531 00:21:38,286 --> 00:21:39,558 where we take your evidence, 532 00:21:39,594 --> 00:21:41,205 and our tools, into the field 533 00:21:41,242 --> 00:21:42,885 to expose the supernatural. 534 00:21:42,922 --> 00:21:46,304 My partner, a skeptic. Myself, a believer. 535 00:21:46,419 --> 00:21:48,265 Both of us, truth seekers. 536 00:21:48,357 --> 00:21:49,816 This week, our team has traveled 537 00:21:49,852 --> 00:21:51,172 to Los Angeles, California, 538 00:21:51,208 --> 00:21:53,905 to explore a condemned psychiatric facility. 539 00:21:54,007 --> 00:21:57,399 Now, in 1841, this was the site of a Spanish barracks, 540 00:21:57,444 --> 00:21:59,694 but a massive earthquake swallowed the building, 541 00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:01,154 killing everyone inside. 542 00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:03,864 Many saw the event as retribution for Spanish crimes 543 00:22:03,901 --> 00:22:05,783 committed in the New World. 544 00:22:05,855 --> 00:22:08,828 Sure, or an earthquake happened in a region 545 00:22:08,865 --> 00:22:10,329 prone to earthquakes. 546 00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:13,708 But that's just the beginning of this site's dark history. 547 00:22:13,744 --> 00:22:15,429 Join us as we investigate. 548 00:22:16,855 --> 00:22:19,447 At that time, did you believe the facility was haunted? 549 00:22:19,483 --> 00:22:21,090 - No. - Yes. 550 00:22:21,357 --> 00:22:23,522 You were filming there too, did you experience 551 00:22:23,558 --> 00:22:25,775 any temperature fluctuations or anything like that? 552 00:22:25,811 --> 00:22:27,477 I'll ask the questions, if you don't mind. 553 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:28,848 We do. 554 00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:30,682 But this is my documentary. 555 00:22:30,719 --> 00:22:33,227 No, this is our YouTube show. 556 00:22:34,082 --> 00:22:36,117 Yeah, so ghosts are said to produce 557 00:22:36,154 --> 00:22:37,495 electromagnetic interference. 558 00:22:37,531 --> 00:22:40,081 Did you experience any trouble with your equipment? 559 00:22:43,912 --> 00:22:45,114 We're done here. 560 00:22:45,151 --> 00:22:47,366 Let's cut. Let's wrap this up. 561 00:22:49,256 --> 00:22:51,082 - Nice. - Yeah. 562 00:22:51,185 --> 00:22:52,562 All of you, let's go. 563 00:22:52,598 --> 00:22:53,857 - Come on. - No, no way. 564 00:22:53,894 --> 00:22:55,792 This is some of the best footage we've ever gotten. 565 00:22:55,828 --> 00:22:57,217 - Listen to this. - What is that? 566 00:22:57,253 --> 00:22:58,544 Oh, it's a Spirit Box. 567 00:22:58,581 --> 00:23:00,714 - Did you guys hear anything? - A Spirit Box? 568 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:03,646 The Spirit Box rapidly scans radio signals 569 00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:07,595 to create white noise through which spirits can communicate. 570 00:23:07,694 --> 00:23:09,723 Hello. 571 00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:12,391 See? It's science. 572 00:23:12,725 --> 00:23:14,393 Listen. 573 00:23:16,589 --> 00:23:17,879 OK, OK. That's enough. 574 00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:19,476 - We got to go. - No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 575 00:23:19,512 --> 00:23:21,525 I heard something. Can you turn it up? 576 00:23:27,324 --> 00:23:28,782 Help me? 577 00:23:29,143 --> 00:23:30,784 That is not what I heard. 578 00:23:30,986 --> 00:23:33,578 Oh, oh, well, who do you think it is? 579 00:23:33,652 --> 00:23:35,952 - It's feedback. - It's a ghost. 580 00:23:36,215 --> 00:23:38,709 It was a little clearer down the hallway. 581 00:23:38,746 --> 00:23:40,210 Show me. 582 00:23:40,522 --> 00:23:41,572 Officer? 583 00:23:43,714 --> 00:23:46,264 So we're just going to give up on Tim and Lucy then? 584 00:23:46,395 --> 00:23:48,928 How long have we been in here? 585 00:23:51,665 --> 00:23:53,974 - This room? - Yeah. 586 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:55,476 I don't know. 587 00:23:55,513 --> 00:23:57,204 We've been here for a while, right? 588 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,272 Yeah, I mean, I don't mind. 589 00:24:00,309 --> 00:24:03,026 I feel good, like, really good. 590 00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:04,402 Mm. 591 00:24:06,217 --> 00:24:08,892 Do you think we've been drugged? 592 00:24:09,053 --> 00:24:12,479 Oh, the wet walls. 593 00:24:12,742 --> 00:24:14,833 - We touched them. - Yeah. 594 00:24:15,001 --> 00:24:17,081 I hate making mistakes in front of you. 595 00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:19,792 Oh, you've never admitted that before. 596 00:24:21,354 --> 00:24:22,670 Truth serum. 597 00:24:22,926 --> 00:24:25,547 - Sodium pentothal. - Yeah. 598 00:24:25,661 --> 00:24:27,001 You know what? 599 00:24:27,325 --> 00:24:28,393 We... 600 00:24:28,857 --> 00:24:31,178 We should keep quiet until this wears off. 601 00:24:31,259 --> 00:24:32,554 - No. - Yeah. 602 00:24:32,591 --> 00:24:33,848 - No. - It's better for us. 603 00:24:33,884 --> 00:24:34,974 No. 604 00:24:35,011 --> 00:24:39,478 What is your most embarrassing memory? 605 00:24:39,569 --> 00:24:42,588 Oh, I mean, third grade, 606 00:24:43,248 --> 00:24:45,526 I snuck my hamster 607 00:24:45,563 --> 00:24:48,112 into my classroom in my pants. 608 00:24:59,222 --> 00:25:00,981 With that kind of dad, 609 00:25:01,857 --> 00:25:04,504 you internalize the message that if you fail, 610 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:06,380 you deserve to be punished. 611 00:25:06,493 --> 00:25:09,925 And, without him to punish me, I... 612 00:25:10,181 --> 00:25:11,927 I guess I punished myself. 613 00:25:12,051 --> 00:25:14,555 - By breaking up with me. - Yep. 614 00:25:14,949 --> 00:25:17,749 I mean, it's kind of flattering, right? 615 00:25:17,855 --> 00:25:20,145 It's the worst thing I could think to do to myself. 616 00:25:20,181 --> 00:25:23,147 You didn't punish just yourself though. 617 00:25:23,257 --> 00:25:24,681 I know. 618 00:25:25,068 --> 00:25:27,635 And look, if you never fully forgive me, 619 00:25:27,672 --> 00:25:30,696 - I totally understand. - I have already forgiven you. 620 00:25:30,913 --> 00:25:32,865 It's not even... 621 00:25:36,047 --> 00:25:37,327 Huh. 622 00:25:37,503 --> 00:25:39,288 I wonder when that happened. 623 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,498 You can't put that in the documentary. 624 00:25:41,697 --> 00:25:43,565 The LAPD makes all body cam footage 625 00:25:43,609 --> 00:25:44,700 available to the public. 626 00:25:44,736 --> 00:25:46,087 OK, this is obviously an exception. 627 00:25:46,123 --> 00:25:47,463 We were drugged. 628 00:25:47,502 --> 00:25:49,579 People... People say all sorts of things 629 00:25:49,616 --> 00:25:50,749 when they've been drugged. 630 00:25:50,785 --> 00:25:52,468 So you didn't mean what you said? 631 00:25:53,192 --> 00:25:56,555 What about the potential baby names you discussed? 632 00:25:56,685 --> 00:25:57,974 - OK, we're done here. - Yeah. 633 00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:59,309 Why do we keep agreeing to do this? 634 00:25:59,345 --> 00:26:00,435 I don't know. Excuse me! 635 00:26:00,471 --> 00:26:01,351 Help me. 636 00:26:01,388 --> 00:26:02,254 OK, you have to admit 637 00:26:02,290 --> 00:26:03,429 that's a voice asking for help. 638 00:26:03,465 --> 00:26:04,530 Yeah, sure, I heard it, 639 00:26:04,566 --> 00:26:05,732 but it's one of their crew members, 640 00:26:05,768 --> 00:26:07,232 or something pre-recorded. 641 00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:10,152 Were you a patient here? Is the demon with you? 642 00:26:10,189 --> 00:26:12,154 Somebody covered up a door. 643 00:26:12,191 --> 00:26:13,530 What year did you die? 644 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:16,325 So close. Set me free! 645 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:18,202 I'm here! I'm here! 646 00:26:18,567 --> 00:26:19,617 Please... 647 00:26:19,811 --> 00:26:21,777 Step back, guys. 648 00:26:24,415 --> 00:26:26,001 Keep going! 649 00:26:26,093 --> 00:26:27,679 - You're almost there! - Watch out. Ready? 650 00:26:27,715 --> 00:26:30,130 Go. 651 00:26:31,315 --> 00:26:32,530 Abigail! 652 00:26:32,621 --> 00:26:34,295 Thank you! Thank you! 653 00:26:34,332 --> 00:26:35,464 Thank you! Thank you! 654 00:26:35,501 --> 00:26:37,013 I've been trapped in here for so long. 655 00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:39,556 I thought I was going to die. Thank you! 656 00:26:39,593 --> 00:26:41,683 Oh, my God. What is this room? 657 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,520 OK, but why did they wall it all off? 658 00:26:43,556 --> 00:26:44,520 To trap the demon. 659 00:26:44,557 --> 00:26:46,064 Yeah, Bartleby, 660 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,315 the terrifying demon king of paperwork. 661 00:26:48,778 --> 00:26:50,484 How did you get down here? 662 00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:52,783 I was exploring... 663 00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:54,089 Following this... 664 00:26:54,172 --> 00:26:56,157 Yhis weird, beautiful noise, 665 00:26:56,194 --> 00:26:57,894 when all of a sudden, it got cold. 666 00:26:57,943 --> 00:26:59,566 Like, so, so cold, 667 00:26:59,612 --> 00:27:01,579 and I could feel something coming after me, 668 00:27:01,615 --> 00:27:02,681 and I was scared, 669 00:27:02,772 --> 00:27:04,248 so I hid behind a cabinet, 670 00:27:04,285 --> 00:27:06,750 but the floor was wet and rusted, 671 00:27:06,787 --> 00:27:08,921 and it collapsed. I couldn't climb back out. 672 00:27:08,957 --> 00:27:11,171 You fell from there? Are you OK? 673 00:27:11,208 --> 00:27:13,674 I think I twisted my ankle, but I feel no pain. 674 00:27:13,711 --> 00:27:15,864 You've been missing for two weeks. 675 00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:18,804 - How the hell did you survive? - Oh. 676 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,684 I had a bunch of trail mix in my bag. 677 00:27:23,721 --> 00:27:26,270 Plus, I found, like, this ancient water jug 678 00:27:26,307 --> 00:27:27,521 in one of the cabinets. 679 00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:28,856 Plus, Bob. 680 00:27:29,391 --> 00:27:32,401 Bob had PowerBars. Bob had PowerBars. 681 00:27:32,438 --> 00:27:34,027 Bob? 682 00:27:34,064 --> 00:27:35,195 Oh, my God! 683 00:27:35,232 --> 00:27:36,363 If it wasn't for Bob, 684 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,284 I would have lost my mind down here. 685 00:27:39,365 --> 00:27:41,493 Don't be shy, Bob. Say hello. 686 00:27:41,609 --> 00:27:43,528 Shy. 687 00:27:44,362 --> 00:27:45,845 Abigail was safe, 688 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,081 and, uh, considering what she'd been through, 689 00:27:48,278 --> 00:27:49,629 Uhm... 690 00:27:49,722 --> 00:27:51,253 Relatively healthy. 691 00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:52,630 Except for her mental state. 692 00:27:52,666 --> 00:27:56,091 That did pose some questions. 693 00:27:56,128 --> 00:27:57,509 At first, I was angry. 694 00:27:57,546 --> 00:27:59,928 You know, like, we're stuck down here together. 695 00:27:59,972 --> 00:28:01,937 At least try and have a conversation. 696 00:28:01,974 --> 00:28:03,775 And then I realized, 697 00:28:03,811 --> 00:28:05,082 Bob's just shy. 698 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,185 He's just shy. 699 00:28:06,222 --> 00:28:08,247 And there's nothing wrong with that, right? 700 00:28:08,283 --> 00:28:09,396 Right. 701 00:28:09,433 --> 00:28:11,773 Did you believe she'd had a demonic encounter? 702 00:28:11,881 --> 00:28:14,389 She went in perfectly sane 703 00:28:14,426 --> 00:28:16,528 and came out best friends with a corpse. 704 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:18,150 That's how possession works. 705 00:28:18,186 --> 00:28:19,449 You can't rule out demons. 706 00:28:19,485 --> 00:28:20,657 Yes, you can. 707 00:28:20,725 --> 00:28:22,326 Nolan, look at this. 708 00:28:24,754 --> 00:28:27,456 666, just like Zuzu said. 709 00:28:28,979 --> 00:28:31,237 It was a weird coincidence. 710 00:28:31,367 --> 00:28:35,005 It was a weird coincidence. 711 00:28:35,248 --> 00:28:38,759 We found quite a cocktail of drugs in your system. 712 00:28:38,893 --> 00:28:40,424 I don't do drugs. 713 00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:41,595 Does pot count? 714 00:28:41,632 --> 00:28:45,015 No, we're talking about powerful hallucinogens. 715 00:28:45,166 --> 00:28:47,017 I'm not hallucinating. 716 00:28:47,054 --> 00:28:48,560 Ask Bob. 717 00:28:49,244 --> 00:28:51,104 I had them run the test twice, 718 00:28:51,141 --> 00:28:52,738 and we found a similar cocktail 719 00:28:52,775 --> 00:28:54,866 in Officer Chen and Sergeant Bradford. 720 00:28:54,903 --> 00:28:58,153 Mercifully, none of the drugs were fat soluble. 721 00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:59,559 Otherwise... 722 00:28:59,763 --> 00:29:02,325 Department policy would have forced Sergeant Bradford 723 00:29:02,361 --> 00:29:04,826 and Officer Chen into medical retirement. 724 00:29:04,863 --> 00:29:06,119 Is that what killed Bob, 725 00:29:06,156 --> 00:29:08,206 whatever drug they were exposed to? 726 00:29:08,403 --> 00:29:11,667 No, he was shot six times in the chest. 727 00:29:12,072 --> 00:29:13,608 Did you get an ID on the body? 728 00:29:13,645 --> 00:29:14,900 His name was Bob Medina, 729 00:29:14,936 --> 00:29:17,115 a friend reported him missing about six months ago. 730 00:29:17,151 --> 00:29:18,617 He was a private investigator. 731 00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:20,051 What was his connection to the hospital? 732 00:29:20,087 --> 00:29:22,137 At first, we couldn't find one. 733 00:29:22,285 --> 00:29:23,619 So to be clear, 734 00:29:23,656 --> 00:29:25,025 there was now a third killer 735 00:29:25,061 --> 00:29:26,498 associated with that location? 736 00:29:26,534 --> 00:29:28,226 At this point, it can't be a coincidence. 737 00:29:28,262 --> 00:29:30,353 There has to be something about that facility 738 00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:31,771 that draws people towards homicide. 739 00:29:31,807 --> 00:29:33,814 That's a stretch and a half. 740 00:29:33,851 --> 00:29:36,066 Westview is a hospital for the mentally ill 741 00:29:36,103 --> 00:29:38,111 and the criminally insane. Novak was a patient. 742 00:29:38,147 --> 00:29:39,737 Glasser was there looking for a patsy. 743 00:29:39,773 --> 00:29:41,111 And whoever killed Bob, 744 00:29:41,147 --> 00:29:42,638 saw an abandoned building and was like, 745 00:29:42,674 --> 00:29:45,368 "That's a perfect place to dump a body." 746 00:29:46,471 --> 00:29:47,811 What? 747 00:29:47,980 --> 00:29:50,947 Or there was some dark energy that drew evil to it. 748 00:29:51,342 --> 00:29:54,042 - You really believe that? - I'm Catholic. 749 00:29:54,086 --> 00:29:55,371 I was raised on demons 750 00:29:55,525 --> 00:29:57,506 and the battle against Satan's minions. 751 00:29:57,543 --> 00:29:59,510 Well, I was raised on the scientific method. 752 00:29:59,546 --> 00:30:02,175 OK, so if it's all so explainable, 753 00:30:02,212 --> 00:30:04,344 spend the night there. I dare you. 754 00:30:04,661 --> 00:30:05,929 Pass. 755 00:30:06,044 --> 00:30:08,553 - You're scared. - No, I'm not scared. 756 00:30:09,183 --> 00:30:10,935 One could argue that the drugs in the hospital 757 00:30:10,971 --> 00:30:13,645 are hardly surprising, even hallucinogens. 758 00:30:13,682 --> 00:30:15,033 Over the decades, they have been used 759 00:30:15,069 --> 00:30:16,150 in experimental medicine. 760 00:30:16,186 --> 00:30:17,248 No, true. 761 00:30:17,285 --> 00:30:19,644 Just the type and volume is what set off... 762 00:30:19,681 --> 00:30:20,986 What are you doing? 763 00:30:21,022 --> 00:30:22,446 Conducting an interview. 764 00:30:22,483 --> 00:30:24,325 Could you please come back in, like, an hour? 765 00:30:24,361 --> 00:30:26,700 You said you'd talk to me for my documentary. 766 00:30:26,785 --> 00:30:28,327 You have a documentary? 767 00:30:28,372 --> 00:30:30,381 Well, it's my story. Who better to tell it? 768 00:30:30,417 --> 00:30:31,614 Well, no problem. 769 00:30:31,651 --> 00:30:33,499 I can sit down with you just as soon as we're done here. 770 00:30:33,535 --> 00:30:34,982 Oh, I wish. It has to be exclusive. 771 00:30:35,018 --> 00:30:36,358 You can't do both. 772 00:30:36,773 --> 00:30:38,490 She's right. It has to be exclusive. 773 00:30:38,526 --> 00:30:40,185 Either you're doing my doc, or you're doing hers, 774 00:30:40,221 --> 00:30:41,549 and we have a long history. 775 00:30:41,585 --> 00:30:43,216 I was almost his daughter-in-law, 776 00:30:43,253 --> 00:30:44,634 so suck it. 777 00:30:45,446 --> 00:30:47,066 I'm going to have to go with her. 778 00:30:47,102 --> 00:30:49,598 - I'm sorry. - Seriously? 779 00:30:49,783 --> 00:30:51,433 I have a BAFTA. 780 00:30:51,895 --> 00:30:53,852 OK, fine. 781 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,189 - Let's wrap it up. - This way. The set's this way. 782 00:30:56,225 --> 00:30:57,523 It's better lighting over there. 783 00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:58,940 We got a great team. 784 00:30:59,016 --> 00:31:00,731 We are going to need our mic back. 785 00:31:00,768 --> 00:31:02,111 - Yes, oh, sorry. - Yeah, of course. 786 00:31:02,147 --> 00:31:03,987 - We have our own. - Sorry. 787 00:31:04,024 --> 00:31:06,114 - I'll see you guys around. - Good luck. 788 00:31:06,151 --> 00:31:08,284 We can talk about what else I found inside the secret lab. 789 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,409 Oh, right. 790 00:31:09,446 --> 00:31:11,613 Well, you did find some paperwork. 791 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:14,623 Explosive paperwork. 792 00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:16,542 Evidence of a secret government program. 793 00:31:16,578 --> 00:31:18,126 Close the door softly please. 794 00:31:18,315 --> 00:31:20,407 Well, I don't know that we can say that for sure. 795 00:31:20,443 --> 00:31:21,880 Oh, we could. 796 00:31:23,894 --> 00:31:26,219 My name is Abigail Tierney. 797 00:31:26,255 --> 00:31:28,387 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 798 00:31:28,424 --> 00:31:29,679 at Westview Psychiatric. 799 00:31:29,716 --> 00:31:31,932 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 800 00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:34,601 If I'm to die here, I leave you this footage 801 00:31:34,651 --> 00:31:38,369 along with my in-process documentary as evidence 802 00:31:38,468 --> 00:31:40,667 of my hunt for the truth about the evils 803 00:31:40,704 --> 00:31:42,354 that inhabit this accursed place. 804 00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:47,514 What's this? 805 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:49,849 Cool. 806 00:31:49,894 --> 00:31:50,951 That's when I realized 807 00:31:50,987 --> 00:31:52,533 I'd uncovered something more haunting 808 00:31:52,569 --> 00:31:54,434 than any ghost or serial killer. 809 00:31:55,207 --> 00:31:56,814 I'd uncovered a conspiracy 810 00:31:57,014 --> 00:31:59,960 that went to the very highest levels of our government. 811 00:32:01,296 --> 00:32:03,588 The government files Abigail found 812 00:32:03,625 --> 00:32:07,300 detailed classified plans and methods 813 00:32:07,337 --> 00:32:09,386 for human experimentation. 814 00:32:09,423 --> 00:32:11,264 What type of experimentation? 815 00:32:11,301 --> 00:32:13,765 - Are you familiar with MK-Ultra? - Of course. 816 00:32:13,802 --> 00:32:16,560 It was a top secret CIA program in the '50s and '60s 817 00:32:16,597 --> 00:32:18,437 using experimental drugs 818 00:32:18,474 --> 00:32:19,939 to aid in interrogation techniques. 819 00:32:19,975 --> 00:32:21,648 It was straight-up mind control. 820 00:32:21,685 --> 00:32:24,901 I mean, they used high doses of psychoactive drugs like LSD, 821 00:32:24,938 --> 00:32:28,488 sodium pentothal, which is also known as a "truth serum." 822 00:32:29,501 --> 00:32:33,326 The program ran from 1953 to 1973 823 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,871 before it was shut down following a public outcry. 824 00:32:35,908 --> 00:32:37,999 I mean, all the facilities were closed. 825 00:32:38,066 --> 00:32:39,565 There's no evidence the CIA 826 00:32:39,601 --> 00:32:41,419 ever used Westview as a base of operations. 827 00:32:41,455 --> 00:32:44,337 So what were top secret MK-Ultra documents doing there? 828 00:32:44,374 --> 00:32:45,631 Good question. 829 00:32:45,811 --> 00:32:47,800 We started digging into the trove of files 830 00:32:47,836 --> 00:32:49,551 Abigail had found, and one name 831 00:32:49,588 --> 00:32:51,386 kept popping up again and again. 832 00:32:51,641 --> 00:32:53,763 Dr. Julius Erickson. 833 00:32:53,918 --> 00:32:56,933 He was one of the psychologists contracted by the CIA 834 00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:59,478 to conduct experimental research. 835 00:32:59,689 --> 00:33:03,356 And after MK-Ultra shut down, he took a new job. 836 00:33:03,393 --> 00:33:04,774 Director of Westview. 837 00:33:04,811 --> 00:33:07,319 Dr. Erickson ran the hospital for 20 years. 838 00:33:07,356 --> 00:33:09,112 And from the notes we uncovered, 839 00:33:09,149 --> 00:33:12,240 it seems clear he continued his own research in private, 840 00:33:12,277 --> 00:33:14,452 trying to use the psychological breakthroughs 841 00:33:14,488 --> 00:33:16,848 from MK-Ultra to further his own research 842 00:33:16,885 --> 00:33:18,455 into mind-altering drugs. 843 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,818 I assume he used those drugs on Westview patients? 844 00:33:20,854 --> 00:33:22,292 Yeah, at first. 845 00:33:22,329 --> 00:33:24,170 But then, he started using them on himself, 846 00:33:24,206 --> 00:33:26,715 believing he had found the key to improving his own mind. 847 00:33:26,751 --> 00:33:27,806 He hadn't. 848 00:33:27,842 --> 00:33:29,707 And in a last moment of lucidity, 849 00:33:29,744 --> 00:33:32,302 Erickson decided to destroy his research. 850 00:33:32,339 --> 00:33:34,106 He dumped the chemicals outside the building, 851 00:33:34,142 --> 00:33:36,557 where they started to slowly seep into the structure. 852 00:33:36,593 --> 00:33:38,476 And some of the drugs were potent enough 853 00:33:38,512 --> 00:33:40,352 to be absorbed simply by touch, 854 00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:41,686 even when diluted. 855 00:33:41,723 --> 00:33:44,273 Erickson committed himself to Westview shortly after, 856 00:33:44,309 --> 00:33:46,359 never said another word. 857 00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:47,889 He died in 2020. 858 00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:50,467 Did the CIA ever find out what Erickson was doing? 859 00:33:50,503 --> 00:33:53,303 Not that we've found, but it's not like the agency 860 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:55,617 ever returns our phone calls. 861 00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:58,727 Anyone who studied the past, 862 00:33:58,794 --> 00:34:00,121 knows that the CIA 863 00:34:00,158 --> 00:34:02,416 has a history of violent cover-ups. 864 00:34:02,601 --> 00:34:04,751 MK-Ultra might have become public, 865 00:34:04,788 --> 00:34:07,570 but that doesn't mean there still aren't secrets to protect. 866 00:34:07,606 --> 00:34:10,448 By uncovering Dr. Erickson's connection to Westview 867 00:34:10,485 --> 00:34:12,799 and, discovering Bob's body, 868 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,970 I've put myself in danger. 869 00:34:15,153 --> 00:34:16,972 But the best way to protect yourself 870 00:34:17,249 --> 00:34:18,699 is with the truth, 871 00:34:18,858 --> 00:34:21,059 which brings me to Caroline McGrath. 872 00:34:21,237 --> 00:34:22,978 Turns out Caroline is the one 873 00:34:23,015 --> 00:34:25,064 who hired Bob to go to Westview, 874 00:34:25,101 --> 00:34:26,713 and I need to find out why, 875 00:34:26,749 --> 00:34:27,941 before it's too late. 876 00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:29,980 I think... 877 00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:42,212 - What the hell? - We got lucky. 878 00:34:42,295 --> 00:34:44,624 A woman in the neighborhood heard a commotion 879 00:34:44,661 --> 00:34:47,043 and filmed Abigail's abduction. 880 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,005 Thanks to them, we were able to track the vehicle. 881 00:34:49,041 --> 00:34:51,416 - Where'd it go? - Back to where it all began, 882 00:34:51,834 --> 00:34:53,181 Westview. 883 00:34:58,850 --> 00:35:00,557 Police! Drop the weapon! 884 00:35:00,594 --> 00:35:01,893 On the ground. 885 00:35:02,325 --> 00:35:04,477 Hands on your head. Turn around. 886 00:35:04,764 --> 00:35:05,896 Walk towards my partner. 887 00:35:05,932 --> 00:35:07,731 Hands behind your back. 888 00:35:07,888 --> 00:35:10,681 - You OK? - Yeah, totally fine. 889 00:35:10,718 --> 00:35:12,054 Carl's going through it, though. 890 00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:14,014 I never really even knew my mother. 891 00:35:14,051 --> 00:35:15,405 Does anyone, really? 892 00:35:15,442 --> 00:35:16,990 What is going on here? 893 00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:18,710 Well, my friend Carl here, 894 00:35:18,746 --> 00:35:21,018 was being pressured into killing me, 895 00:35:21,054 --> 00:35:22,915 but then, we got to talking, right? 896 00:35:22,952 --> 00:35:24,373 - Yeah, and I couldn't. - Yeah. 897 00:35:24,409 --> 00:35:26,400 OK, but pressured by who? 898 00:35:26,436 --> 00:35:28,710 Um, my boss. 899 00:35:28,759 --> 00:35:30,725 - Meg Davidson. - Who? 900 00:35:30,807 --> 00:35:33,690 The current director at Westview Psychiatric. 901 00:35:35,846 --> 00:35:37,637 But she started working at the hospital 902 00:35:37,673 --> 00:35:40,055 long after Julius Erickson went mad, 903 00:35:40,092 --> 00:35:41,474 and she has no links to the CIA, 904 00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:43,642 so, why would she try to kill Abigail? 905 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,519 - To cover up Bob's murder. - And who killed Bob? 906 00:35:46,622 --> 00:35:48,672 Can you introduce yourself? 907 00:35:48,709 --> 00:35:50,732 Oh, yes. My name is Caroline McGrath. 908 00:35:50,871 --> 00:35:53,713 You hired my friend, Bob Medina, 909 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:55,070 because you had questions 910 00:35:55,107 --> 00:35:56,969 about your friend Winona's treatment at Westview. 911 00:35:57,005 --> 00:35:58,281 - Right? - Yes. 912 00:35:58,317 --> 00:36:00,244 Of course, everyone thought I was just being paranoid, 913 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,951 but Bob didn't, 914 00:36:02,331 --> 00:36:03,703 and it got him killed. 915 00:36:03,740 --> 00:36:05,289 You worked with Winona Baker, right? 916 00:36:05,325 --> 00:36:09,167 Yes, she was hospitalized with depression 917 00:36:09,204 --> 00:36:10,335 by her daughter. 918 00:36:10,372 --> 00:36:14,130 Seemed like therapy and some medication would help her, 919 00:36:14,167 --> 00:36:16,716 but, Winona got worse fast. 920 00:36:16,753 --> 00:36:18,496 Lost track of reality, 921 00:36:18,533 --> 00:36:22,097 she exhibited signs of psychosis, 922 00:36:22,134 --> 00:36:24,057 paranoia, dissociation. 923 00:36:24,227 --> 00:36:26,352 And by that point, I wondered whether a transfer 924 00:36:26,388 --> 00:36:28,978 to a new facility might be in her best interest. 925 00:36:29,015 --> 00:36:31,681 - And then? - The director informed me 926 00:36:31,717 --> 00:36:33,939 that Winona's family had gotten a judge 927 00:36:33,975 --> 00:36:35,319 to order a conservatorship, 928 00:36:35,355 --> 00:36:37,987 and, they wanted her to stay, for good. 929 00:36:38,024 --> 00:36:39,280 You were suspicious? 930 00:36:39,317 --> 00:36:41,283 Winona always had her funks. 931 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,992 But she wasn't crazy. 932 00:36:43,573 --> 00:36:45,578 Until that place made her lose her mind. 933 00:36:45,615 --> 00:36:47,498 And that proved to be the break you needed? 934 00:36:47,534 --> 00:36:49,499 Yeah, when we started looking into it, 935 00:36:49,536 --> 00:36:51,791 it turned out a significant number 936 00:36:51,827 --> 00:36:53,885 of Westview patients were wealthy, 937 00:36:53,952 --> 00:36:55,364 and a high percentage 938 00:36:55,401 --> 00:36:57,451 were ordered into conservatorship. 939 00:36:57,488 --> 00:37:00,176 Now, conservatorship is extremely difficult 940 00:37:00,213 --> 00:37:03,388 to get for an adult because of the potential abuse of power. 941 00:37:03,425 --> 00:37:05,390 It gives one party legal authority 942 00:37:05,427 --> 00:37:07,684 over certain aspects of another person's life, 943 00:37:07,721 --> 00:37:09,418 including managing all of their assets. 944 00:37:09,454 --> 00:37:11,313 It's like what happened to Britney Spears. 945 00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:12,981 "Manage their assets"... 946 00:37:13,018 --> 00:37:15,470 rich person speak for controlling someone else's money. 947 00:37:15,506 --> 00:37:16,776 Yes. 948 00:37:16,902 --> 00:37:19,904 And money makes people do crazy things. 949 00:37:20,104 --> 00:37:23,283 Like, um, poison their family member's water 950 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,051 with a chemical cocktail so potent 951 00:37:25,088 --> 00:37:26,787 it has the potential to permanently damage 952 00:37:26,823 --> 00:37:28,121 the human psyche? 953 00:37:30,186 --> 00:37:33,737 Yeah, just like that. 954 00:37:33,774 --> 00:37:35,211 I was supposed to inherit, 955 00:37:35,248 --> 00:37:39,653 but, um, after my break with reality, 956 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:42,427 my dad cut me off, and my brother got everything. 957 00:37:42,464 --> 00:37:43,762 What's everything? 958 00:37:43,799 --> 00:37:46,347 Oh, about, um, $12 million. 959 00:37:46,541 --> 00:37:48,364 It must have been hard going from that kind of wealth 960 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,976 - to nannying. - Oh, no. 961 00:37:50,013 --> 00:37:51,686 No, it was a blessing. 962 00:37:51,731 --> 00:37:52,733 I... 963 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,857 I really think that helping children was my calling. 964 00:37:55,894 --> 00:37:56,941 Mm. 965 00:37:56,978 --> 00:37:58,181 Once we found the pattern, 966 00:37:58,217 --> 00:38:00,012 we started interviewing some of the families. 967 00:38:00,048 --> 00:38:01,697 A little pressure, and they cracked. 968 00:38:01,733 --> 00:38:03,073 And with the search warrant, 969 00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:05,366 we found the gun used to kill Bob Medina 970 00:38:05,403 --> 00:38:06,951 in Director Davidson's closet. 971 00:38:06,988 --> 00:38:09,537 She'd been running her scam for a decade. 972 00:38:09,574 --> 00:38:12,165 Turns out she was Dr. Erickson's therapist 973 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:14,019 in the last years of his life. 974 00:38:14,056 --> 00:38:16,879 He must have told her about his experiments. 975 00:38:16,916 --> 00:38:19,181 In exploring his old lab, 976 00:38:19,217 --> 00:38:20,800 she'd uncovered the tainted water, 977 00:38:20,836 --> 00:38:22,425 realized its potential. 978 00:38:22,462 --> 00:38:25,261 And we had her on murder, fraud, 979 00:38:25,298 --> 00:38:28,932 elder abuse, kidnapping, attempted murder, poisoning. 980 00:38:28,969 --> 00:38:31,319 Miss Davidson, would you like to make a comment? 981 00:38:32,047 --> 00:38:33,848 You know, this might be your last chance 982 00:38:33,884 --> 00:38:35,814 to tell your side of the story. 983 00:38:37,201 --> 00:38:38,901 Look at all these people watching. 984 00:38:39,477 --> 00:38:41,861 The state ordered a full investigation 985 00:38:41,898 --> 00:38:44,031 into every conservatorship Westview ordered. 986 00:38:44,067 --> 00:38:45,342 God willing, the victims 987 00:38:45,379 --> 00:38:47,367 will get their rights and assets back. 988 00:38:47,404 --> 00:38:49,869 And Westview itself has been closed for good. 989 00:38:50,063 --> 00:38:52,080 But, the lawsuits are just starting, 990 00:38:52,117 --> 00:38:54,666 not to mention the rest of the legal ramifications. 991 00:38:54,703 --> 00:38:57,252 I'm glad this is getting so much attention. 992 00:38:57,336 --> 00:39:01,346 These poor, abused patients can finally get justice. 993 00:39:01,383 --> 00:39:03,475 Do you think it could impact your case at all? 994 00:39:03,511 --> 00:39:06,219 It certainly gives my defense a fresh coat of paint. 995 00:39:06,705 --> 00:39:08,763 If the jury won't listen to reason... 996 00:39:08,968 --> 00:39:10,723 because I am innocent... 997 00:39:10,916 --> 00:39:13,560 Perhaps they will listen to the tragic story 998 00:39:13,597 --> 00:39:15,385 of a simple tradesman, 999 00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:18,189 falling victim to a poisoned environment 1000 00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:21,442 that chemically affected my psyche. 1001 00:39:22,012 --> 00:39:25,146 And what did that environment make you do? 1002 00:39:25,183 --> 00:39:27,230 Who can say? Certainly not me. 1003 00:39:27,267 --> 00:39:28,616 I... 1004 00:39:29,076 --> 00:39:30,869 I wasn't in my right mind. 1005 00:39:30,976 --> 00:39:33,288 Yeah, the, um... The poisoned water 1006 00:39:33,325 --> 00:39:35,999 was only found in the abandoned psych ward. 1007 00:39:36,036 --> 00:39:38,626 No vending machines left to fill there, right? 1008 00:39:38,945 --> 00:39:41,565 At this point, I must confess, 1009 00:39:42,077 --> 00:39:44,330 I did go inside that abandoned ward, 1010 00:39:44,366 --> 00:39:46,050 back when I was a kid. 1011 00:39:46,087 --> 00:39:48,928 My father's warnings, they didn't scare me away. 1012 00:39:48,965 --> 00:39:51,723 They only made me more desperate to see. 1013 00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:54,309 And whatever lurked inside... 1014 00:39:57,266 --> 00:39:59,232 Must have infected me. 1015 00:40:01,730 --> 00:40:02,859 Hm. 1016 00:40:02,896 --> 00:40:05,321 Glasser is claiming that the presence of those drugs 1017 00:40:05,357 --> 00:40:06,517 would absolve him of 1018 00:40:06,553 --> 00:40:08,450 any alleged responsibility for the murders. 1019 00:40:08,486 --> 00:40:10,200 There is no way that defense is going to work. 1020 00:40:10,236 --> 00:40:11,786 We have Glasser dead to rights. 1021 00:40:11,881 --> 00:40:13,472 Are you sure about that? 1022 00:40:15,498 --> 00:40:17,172 Yeah. 1023 00:40:17,379 --> 00:40:18,719 Mm-hmm. 1024 00:40:28,528 --> 00:40:30,556 Hey, hey. Sorry. 1025 00:40:30,593 --> 00:40:33,390 I know we talked about me not recording interviews in here, 1026 00:40:33,426 --> 00:40:37,060 but Rodge mentioned he needed a space with great acoustics. 1027 00:40:37,097 --> 00:40:39,395 And, you know, we're shutting it down. 1028 00:40:39,432 --> 00:40:41,147 We're shutting it down. Shut it... 1029 00:40:41,184 --> 00:40:43,483 - shut it down. - Shutting it down, copy. 1030 00:40:44,012 --> 00:40:45,200 Hi. Sorry. 1031 00:40:45,237 --> 00:40:46,320 She said this was cool. 1032 00:40:46,356 --> 00:40:47,421 You're going to help me get these in the van. 1033 00:40:47,457 --> 00:40:49,113 - Right? - I'll be right there. 1034 00:40:50,584 --> 00:40:53,326 Next time, handcuffs and squad cars. 1035 00:40:53,454 --> 00:40:56,079 Yeah, totally understandable. 1036 00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:59,657 Thanks again for going exclusive with me. 1037 00:40:59,693 --> 00:41:01,792 Seriously, this doc is going to be huge. 1038 00:41:01,879 --> 00:41:02,919 I hope so. 1039 00:41:02,956 --> 00:41:05,780 You deserve something good after what you've been through. 1040 00:41:05,816 --> 00:41:07,992 How are you holding up? - Oh, I'm fine... 1041 00:41:08,097 --> 00:41:10,677 I'm happy to have something to focus on. 1042 00:41:10,714 --> 00:41:12,720 When I've been through some scary times, 1043 00:41:12,757 --> 00:41:14,713 I have been guilty of 1044 00:41:14,749 --> 00:41:16,791 using my work as my therapy, 1045 00:41:16,828 --> 00:41:19,644 but if there's ever a time you need someone to talk to... 1046 00:41:19,681 --> 00:41:20,879 Thank you. Really. 1047 00:41:20,916 --> 00:41:22,981 But I already have a great therapist, 1048 00:41:23,025 --> 00:41:25,043 one with zero history at Westview. 1049 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,359 Excellent. 1050 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:29,860 You know, there's still something I can't figure out. 1051 00:41:29,896 --> 00:41:31,767 How did you know, 1052 00:41:31,889 --> 00:41:34,450 that the PI was working for Caroline McGrath. 1053 00:41:34,487 --> 00:41:36,180 Oh, Bob told me, 1054 00:41:36,217 --> 00:41:37,954 while we were stuck in the lab. 1055 00:41:38,044 --> 00:41:40,581 He got chatty once he opened up. 1056 00:41:40,773 --> 00:41:42,530 I have that effect on people. 1057 00:41:44,518 --> 00:41:46,880 We had to come back because our job isn't finished. 1058 00:41:46,916 --> 00:41:48,548 This hospital has housed killers, 1059 00:41:48,585 --> 00:41:51,427 evil experiments, and perhaps the supernatural. 1060 00:41:51,464 --> 00:41:53,720 Our job as investigators is to collect 1061 00:41:53,757 --> 00:41:56,347 and present questions and possibilities. 1062 00:41:56,517 --> 00:42:00,184 Interpretation, however, solely belongs with you. 1063 00:42:00,221 --> 00:42:02,145 Did Westview really... 1064 00:42:07,975 --> 00:42:10,486 Should we check that out? 1065 00:42:10,725 --> 00:42:12,732 I might be good. 1066 00:42:13,002 --> 00:42:14,968 You know what? Me too. 1067 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,254 Whoo! 1068 00:42:19,395 --> 00:42:21,664 Oh, God! 1069 00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:25,973 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com 80026

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