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I was just calling to see
if maybe we could meet up,
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just the two of us, to talk?
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Mr Cooper was also
the victim of an assault
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three weeks before he disappeared.
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I told them I thought
his death had probably been violent
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because of the money.
Why would we have him killed?
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Dead man don't pay debts.
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Reckon it was committed by a lad
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that Cooper employed the previous
year but who'd not got furlough.
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Hello, Marty, how are we today?
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I'm not sure Mum's being looked
after as well as she needs, Marty.
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I'd like to speak
to social services.
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I can't leave him on his own.
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I'd ask how happy she was, knowing
that he was with another woman.
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What other woman?
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If you say anything to anyone
that brings people to my door,
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you will regret it.
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He didn't have
the name of the employee,
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but Fran found
one of the old bar staff,
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so that might throw something up.
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OK, well, I'm at the widow's now,
so I'll ask her as well.
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PHONE BEEPS
Yeah, cool, speak later.
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Leanne, what's up?
Massive breakthrough.
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What?
I've found a pub in King's Cross
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where you can actually hear
yourself talk.
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Game-changing.
CHUCKLES
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I'm a great team player
who enjoys meeting new challenges
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on a daily basis.
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And I'm a great team player
who enjoys meeting new challenges
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on a daily basis.
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And so basically,
there's pretty good evidence
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to suggest the money was paid back.
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What evidence?
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A cash deposit in Markaj's account
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eight days
before your husband went missing.
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Right.
Now, obviously we will check that,
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but for now, we're pretty satisfied
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that Mr Markaj isn't
a person of interest.
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Getting a strong sense
of deja vu here.
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One thing Sidhu did consider
was the possibility
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the attack outside the pub was
committed by a disgruntled employee.
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Which employee?
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Some lad
who hadn't been given furlough.
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I don't know anything about that.
No?
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Sorry.
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OK, erm...
CLEARS THROAT
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...and then lastly,
can I just ask you
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if you ever thought your husband
might have been having an affair?
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What the fuck
sort of question's that?
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Sorry,
it came out of the Markaj interview.
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He said he saw him in his car
with another woman.
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I'm sure he did.
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No, I didn't.
No suspicions at all?
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No. Never.
OK.
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Thanks very much for your time,
Juliet.
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DOOR SLAMS
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Er, I-I think
I might postpone tonight.
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Was he?
Sorry?
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Having an affair.
No.
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Absolutely not. Jesus,
you weren't meant to hear that.
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No... he wasn't.
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Did you hear what I said
about the therapy session?
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm just not
in the right headspace today.
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What about me?
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You've resisted this
for three years,
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and now you can't wait a few days?
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It's different now, though,
isn't it?
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Stuff's coming out.
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I'll pick you up at seven.
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PHONE RINGS
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Paul.
Jules.
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Just wondering whether you'd
reconsidered what we discussed.
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Fine, I'll meet them.
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'Police have today identified
the remains found
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'in Whitney Marsh last week
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'as belonging to Bow Publican
Gerard Cooper.
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'Mr Cooper, who was 54 years old
at the time of his disappearance,
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'was reported missing
in February 2021.
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'Following the gruesome discovery
on Sunday morning,
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'police have now launched
a murder investigation
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'and have appealed for anyone with
any information to come forward.'
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ASIF SPEAKING
OWN LANGUAGE:
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HASSAN SPEAKING
OWN LANGUAGE:
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ASIF:
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THEY LAUGH
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You know, the first time I saw the
sea was in Calais with my brother.
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We'd originally planned to cross
in September, but...
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...it ended up taking us seven months
to get to France.
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Rather than wait for spring,
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we decided to take a cheaper place
in January.
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33 of us...
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...in a boat designed for 12.
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26 men, four women, three kids.
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The water started coming in
after about an hour.
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We rang the coastguard, but they
said we were still in French waters.
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I told them
there were children on board, but...
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And then a wave tipped us over.
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GULLS CRY
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No-one tells you about the cold,
Hassan.
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Sucks the air
right out of your lungs.
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Can't even scream.
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We got picked up
by the UK coastguard
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maybe 40 minutes later.
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26 of us by that point.
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The others they found the next day.
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My brother and one of the kids
didn't wash up for a week.
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Fab, thank you.
Good luck.
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KAZ LAUGHS
Thanks.
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FRAN: So, how long did you work
for him?
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Nearly four years, total,
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although one year of that was the
first year of the pandemic, so...
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And you got furloughed?
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I did. Generally speaking,
was he a good employer?
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He was, yeah.
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Little pause there.
No, just, er...
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He was a... an old white guy,
you know.
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A little... unreconstructed.
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But I'm nit-picking.
He was a nice guy.
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OK. And did you know his wife?
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A bit, they lived above the pub,
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so, yeah, I got to know
her and Taylor a bit.
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And you got on with Juliet OK?
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I'm not sure she was in love
with the idea of him running a pub,
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but... yeah, we got on fine.
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So did they get on all right?
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I'd say not brilliantly,
from what I saw.
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In what way?
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She could be quite dismissive
of him,
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like she thought
he was a bit... stupid.
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Right. So did they row, or...?
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I mean, not at the pub, no,
but a few times, when it was quiet,
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or before we were open,
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I heard them going at each other
through the ceiling. Oh, OK.
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So, your other colleagues there,
the other staff,
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did any of them
ever fall out with him?
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No, not really, until lockdown.
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Yes, right, so this is the guy
who didn't get furloughed? Yes.
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What was his name?
Martin.
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Or we called him Marty.
Marty Baines.
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MAN: Most men with the same injury
as Patrick's can't ejaculate, no.
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But as I'm sure
you've heard said many times,
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every case is unique.
Yes.
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And if you were thinking of starting
a family,
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there is of course sperm harvesting,
and...
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That's fine, that's...
that's all I needed to know.
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Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you.
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MACHINE BEEPS
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Sorry.
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Sorry, "Baines" you said?
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Yeah, Martin or Marty.
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Do we have an address?
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She reckoned he moved back
to his parents in Kent somewhere
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shortly after Cooper disappeared.
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How shortly?
A week or so later.
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Well, the wife's dropping
over a load of PAYE records later.
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There might be an address in there.
I'll get Kaz on it.
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So, your witness was basically
saying the same as Ram Sidhu?
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Yeah, that Cooper and this Marty
had fallen out,
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she reckoned about furlough.
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Now, did she actually witness a row?
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She said SHE didn't, but one
of her co-workers, a lady called...
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Brianna West, who's now travelling,
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did see him get physical
with Cooper.
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She saw him slam Cooper
up against a wall.
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And when was this?
February, 2021.
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Wow.
I've messaged Brianna,
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but no idea whether she'll get it, though.
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OK.
It's also worth mentioning
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she thought this lad had some kind
of disability, her guess was ASD.
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Has Murray got
the original assault files back yet?
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Coming later this afternoon
apparently. OK.
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I also mentioned a possible
girlfriend to the wife this morning.
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And?
Yeah, she didn't like it,
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which makes me think
your man Markaj was on the money.
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Any of the people that
your team spoke to this morning
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hint at another woman?
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I haven't gone through it all.
I'll check.
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Because a row that got out of hand
about infidelity...
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is just about the oldest motive
for murder there is.
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ASIF: You see,
men like you and me...
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...we don't do well
in detention centres.
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I got assaulted so many times,
Hass...
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...without any intervention
from the authorities.
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So, yes, as long
as I pass my citizenship test,
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I'll have a passport and a legal
right to settle and work here.
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SAM: Hiya! Oh.
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Wow... Hassan...
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Hello, Sam.
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You're a week early.
Yeah, no, the...
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...the exercise got snowed off.
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Sorry, does somebody wanna tell me
what the fuck is going on?
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SAM, SHOUTING: You know,
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what's more upsetting
than what you've actually done
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is the fact that
you've obviously been planning this
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for months behind my back.
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Yes.
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He says unapologetically.
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Well, if you'd come back
when you said you were coming back,
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you would never have known,
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so what was the point
in telling you something
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that I knew you'd stop me doing?
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All right, so you think
the only problem here
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is that you got found out.
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Don't... speak to me like
I'm one of your fucking squaddies.
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Don't you dare...
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speak to me like you think you have
some natural authority over me.
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Please, don't speak to me
like I've done something wrong.
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All I have done
is walk into MY house,
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and I've found
an illegal immigrant living here.
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Our friend Hassan, you mean?
Yeah, our friend Hassan, sorry.
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How many times?
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It's not illegal
for someone seeking asylum
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to cross the Channel
however they want to.
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Yes, I know, I know. I know!
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EXHALES
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Obviously...
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...it's terrible...
that he had to do that,
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and I'm sorry if I sound
unsympathetic right now, Asif.
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But whether you like it or not,
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until he does formally seek asylum,
he is here illegally.
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How did he get here... specifically?
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In a lorry.
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Which you paid for?
Yes.
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And I owe him much more than that.
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As do you, actually, Sam,
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considering he saved both our lives,
or... or have you forgotten that?
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No, of course
I've not forgotten that.
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Well, what's his plan now?
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He's going to stay with Omar
from Friday
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whilst we get him documents,
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and then he will live his life
in the UK.
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Illegal documents, you mean.
Yeah.
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I-I can't be here, Sif, with him.
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If anyone found us, I...
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EXHALES
Er...
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I... Yeah, I'll kip at my sister's
tonight, but, erm...
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...he needs to be gone by tomorrow.
238
00:15:58,021 --> 00:16:00,981
DOREEN: Mum's looked after you
all of her life, Marty,
239
00:16:00,981 --> 00:16:04,981
so it's a massive change for you
to suddenly have to look after her
240
00:16:04,981 --> 00:16:07,501
And this is absolutely not
your fault.
241
00:16:07,501 --> 00:16:09,981
It's been a massive change, Doreen.
242
00:16:09,981 --> 00:16:11,981
As I said, none of this
will have to be permanent,
243
00:16:11,981 --> 00:16:13,981
if we can get you up and walking,
Dot,
244
00:16:13,981 --> 00:16:15,981
then hopefully,
we can get you back home asap.
245
00:16:15,981 --> 00:16:17,981
And what about me?
246
00:16:17,981 --> 00:16:21,981
Well, I'll also be recommending some
help for you, either here at home,
247
00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,661
or in some form of supported
accommodation, how does that sound?
248
00:16:24,661 --> 00:16:25,981
I live here with Mum.
249
00:16:25,981 --> 00:16:29,981
It's a lot to grasp, isn't it?
It is a lot to grasp.
250
00:16:29,981 --> 00:16:32,981
Listen, none of this
will have to be immediate.
251
00:16:32,981 --> 00:16:35,981
These things do take a while,
so we'll keep talking,
252
00:16:35,981 --> 00:16:40,021
and if you have any worries,
just call, yeah?
253
00:17:03,981 --> 00:17:05,981
And often, I find it helpful
to ask clients
254
00:17:05,981 --> 00:17:07,981
what it is they hope
to get out of this?
255
00:17:09,981 --> 00:17:11,981
Maybe I could ask you first, Juliet,
256
00:17:11,981 --> 00:17:14,821
what it is
that you'd like to achieve?
257
00:17:16,981 --> 00:17:19,341
Er... I...
258
00:17:20,981 --> 00:17:22,981
I guess
I'd like Taylor to be happier.
259
00:17:22,981 --> 00:17:26,981
I mean, I know
I'm not really meant to say that.
260
00:17:26,981 --> 00:17:28,981
Say what?
261
00:17:28,981 --> 00:17:31,181
That I just want her to be happy...
262
00:17:32,981 --> 00:17:33,981
...cos actually that's, erm...
263
00:17:35,981 --> 00:17:37,181
...that's a pretty big ask.
264
00:17:38,981 --> 00:17:39,981
So, I guess...
265
00:17:42,981 --> 00:17:44,981
...I want her to be able to cope...
266
00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:48,981
with school, with me...
with the future.
267
00:17:48,981 --> 00:17:51,341
Well, yeah,
coping's a good aspiration.
268
00:17:55,981 --> 00:17:56,981
And what do you want for yourself?
269
00:18:03,981 --> 00:18:04,981
The same.
270
00:18:07,981 --> 00:18:09,981
But... you know...
271
00:18:09,981 --> 00:18:13,341
if... if she's OK...
272
00:18:13,341 --> 00:18:15,981
then I kind of would be.
273
00:18:15,981 --> 00:18:18,981
OK. Thank you.
274
00:18:19,981 --> 00:18:22,981
And, Taylor...
what would you like out of all this?
275
00:18:24,981 --> 00:18:26,181
Honesty.
276
00:18:28,981 --> 00:18:31,821
I just want some real honesty
between us.
277
00:18:42,981 --> 00:18:44,981
Hey.
Hi!
278
00:18:46,981 --> 00:18:48,981
'This is the plan to take us over,
man,
279
00:18:48,981 --> 00:18:50,981
'this is the Protocol
of the Elders of Zion.'
280
00:18:50,981 --> 00:18:53,981
'What about Blair? What about
Zelenskyy? What about Stoltenberg?
281
00:18:53,981 --> 00:18:55,981
'When will they arrest
THOSE sons of bitches?'
282
00:18:55,981 --> 00:18:57,181
'He knew
they'd try to shut him down.
283
00:18:57,181 --> 00:18:59,981
'They did the same with Fox.
They won't let him speak the truth.'
284
00:18:59,981 --> 00:19:02,981
'So now finally they admit
it was a bio leak...' Marty?
285
00:19:02,981 --> 00:19:05,981
'..how soon before they admit
this was population control?' Marty?
286
00:19:05,981 --> 00:19:07,501
Marty, are you all right?
287
00:19:09,981 --> 00:19:13,341
Marty, what you doing? Marty?
288
00:19:20,981 --> 00:19:23,661
'I mean, you know
it's got everyone there, innit?
289
00:19:23,661 --> 00:19:24,981
'He's royalty as well.'
290
00:19:24,981 --> 00:19:26,981
Well, obviously,
they'd have been happier
291
00:19:26,981 --> 00:19:29,981
if I'd been a doctor
or a lawyer or a...
292
00:19:29,981 --> 00:19:31,341
or a Prime Minister.
293
00:19:31,341 --> 00:19:33,501
Thanks, Rishi, for that.
294
00:19:33,501 --> 00:19:36,501
But, yeah, I think
they'd've been proud of me, yeah.
295
00:19:36,501 --> 00:19:38,021
What about your mum and dad?
296
00:19:50,021 --> 00:19:54,981
Would you rather fight
one wolf-sized chicken
297
00:19:54,981 --> 00:19:56,021
or four chicken-sized wolves?
298
00:20:12,981 --> 00:20:14,981
Sorry, I haven't had anyone
round for...
299
00:20:16,981 --> 00:20:17,981
...well, forever, actually.
300
00:20:20,981 --> 00:20:23,981
Would you like
a cup of tea or coffee?
301
00:20:23,981 --> 00:20:26,981
Although I don't have any milk.
302
00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:31,981
Why don't you...
Why don't you nip out and...
303
00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:33,661
and get some, and...
304
00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:35,981
I'll make a start on the dishes.
305
00:20:36,981 --> 00:20:37,981
Sorry.
306
00:20:51,341 --> 00:20:55,981
And I get so fed up
of people feeling sorry for me.
307
00:20:55,981 --> 00:20:58,981
It's great, being single.
I have a lovely life.
308
00:20:58,981 --> 00:21:01,981
I have freedom, money,
309
00:21:01,981 --> 00:21:05,981
great friends,
fabulous nieces and nephews...
310
00:21:05,981 --> 00:21:06,981
so, yeah.
Yeah.
311
00:21:09,981 --> 00:21:12,981
To singletons!
To singletons!
312
00:21:19,981 --> 00:21:21,981
And are things improving, or...
313
00:21:21,981 --> 00:21:25,981
Well... I've started some new meds,
314
00:21:25,981 --> 00:21:30,981
and they do... seem to work better
than the last ones, so...
315
00:21:34,181 --> 00:21:35,981
And do you need anything?
316
00:21:37,341 --> 00:21:40,981
Money? A cleaner? Anything?
317
00:21:40,981 --> 00:21:43,341
I'm good, but thank you.
318
00:21:46,981 --> 00:21:47,981
So...
319
00:21:49,981 --> 00:21:51,981
...the reason, erm...
320
00:21:53,981 --> 00:21:57,661
...the reason I wanted to meet up
was to see if we could...
321
00:21:58,981 --> 00:22:00,021
...move forward.
322
00:22:00,021 --> 00:22:03,981
Yes.
You know, cos...
323
00:22:03,981 --> 00:22:05,981
you are my sister...
324
00:22:07,981 --> 00:22:09,981
...and I do love you.
325
00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:13,981
And I love you too... so much.
326
00:22:13,981 --> 00:22:16,981
Except I'm not sure
that I can move forward
327
00:22:16,981 --> 00:22:21,981
until I know for sure that you're
been completely truthful with me.
328
00:22:21,981 --> 00:22:24,981
And I wanna be.
OK, so...
329
00:22:24,981 --> 00:22:29,981
did Mum tell you
what Steve said about you and him
330
00:22:29,981 --> 00:22:32,981
when I confronted him
with what you told me? Yes.
331
00:22:34,021 --> 00:22:37,981
That you'd lied to me
about sleeping with him for...
332
00:22:37,981 --> 00:22:39,981
I mean, for reasons
I still don't fully understand,
333
00:22:39,981 --> 00:22:42,981
but that it was just kiss.
334
00:22:42,981 --> 00:22:47,981
And it was just some kind
of weird... emotional thing?
335
00:22:47,981 --> 00:22:50,981
Yes.
And was that true?
336
00:22:55,821 --> 00:22:56,981
I don't know what to say, Jessie.
337
00:22:58,981 --> 00:23:01,981
I don't know what to say that
will best allow you to forgive me.
338
00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:04,981
Just... the truth, Debs.
339
00:23:04,981 --> 00:23:06,821
That's all.
340
00:23:11,981 --> 00:23:16,981
The truth is it was some weird
kind of emotional thing.
341
00:23:17,981 --> 00:23:20,981
I was pretty lost, and...
342
00:23:22,981 --> 00:23:24,981
...he seemed to be also, and he...
343
00:23:24,981 --> 00:23:27,981
seemed vulnerable.
344
00:23:27,981 --> 00:23:29,981
And like he wanted to help me too,
and we just...
345
00:23:33,341 --> 00:23:34,981
...connected for a few months.
346
00:23:37,981 --> 00:23:39,981
But it wasn't just a kiss.
347
00:23:42,981 --> 00:23:44,981
We did sleep together...
348
00:23:45,981 --> 00:23:47,981
...like I said in the pub.
349
00:23:51,981 --> 00:23:54,501
And actually,
it was more than just once.
350
00:23:59,341 --> 00:24:00,981
EXHALES
351
00:24:18,981 --> 00:24:21,501
DEBBIE SOBS
352
00:24:22,981 --> 00:24:23,981
Thank you.
353
00:24:26,981 --> 00:24:27,981
Thank you.
354
00:24:35,341 --> 00:24:37,981
I'm gonna walk.
I'm tubing it.
355
00:24:37,981 --> 00:24:41,981
Well, sorry to have...
got you twatted, but, erm...
356
00:24:43,341 --> 00:24:45,341
...that was a really lovely evening,
so thank you.
357
00:24:45,341 --> 00:24:46,501
Well, thank you.
358
00:24:46,501 --> 00:24:48,981
I'd sort of forgotten what it was
like to have such a good laugh.
359
00:24:48,981 --> 00:24:50,981
We aim to please.
360
00:24:52,181 --> 00:24:53,981
LEANNE LAUGHS
361
00:24:56,981 --> 00:24:58,981
CAR HORN BEEPS
362
00:24:58,981 --> 00:25:01,981
Sorry.
Oh, no, no, no, it's just, I...
363
00:25:01,981 --> 00:25:03,981
Night, dollface.
Leanne?
364
00:25:14,501 --> 00:25:16,341
Hi, Mum, it's me.
365
00:25:16,341 --> 00:25:19,661
Look, I was just wondering
if you could come over this evening?
366
00:25:19,661 --> 00:25:20,981
Sure, gimme a call. OK, thanks, bye.
367
00:25:27,181 --> 00:25:31,501
Hey, Leanne, it's Sunny.
That was a great night last night.
368
00:25:31,501 --> 00:25:34,981
If you fancy grabbing a bite
on Friday, then gimme a call.
369
00:25:34,981 --> 00:25:36,981
Bye. Jess?
370
00:25:38,341 --> 00:25:39,981
Hey, Sunny.
371
00:25:42,341 --> 00:25:43,981
Hey.
How are you?
372
00:25:43,981 --> 00:25:46,181
Yeah, good, how are you?
Oh, you know.
373
00:25:46,181 --> 00:25:48,501
FRAN: So, there was a bloke
from yesterday
374
00:25:48,501 --> 00:25:50,341
who'd known Gerry
since they were kids,
375
00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:51,981
and he'd said in passing
376
00:25:51,981 --> 00:25:54,981
that Gerry was always
"a bit of a rascal".
377
00:25:54,981 --> 00:25:56,981
I mean, what does that mean?
378
00:25:56,981 --> 00:25:58,981
Well, yeah, I rang him back to ask,
379
00:25:58,981 --> 00:26:01,981
and basically, he told me that
a few months before he disappeared,
380
00:26:01,981 --> 00:26:02,981
he'd seen him with another woman.
381
00:26:02,981 --> 00:26:04,981
Wow, OK, where?
382
00:26:04,981 --> 00:26:07,981
In a pub they used to drink in
as kids in Aldgate.
383
00:26:07,981 --> 00:26:10,981
He said he'd introduced her
to him as Melinda.
384
00:26:10,981 --> 00:26:12,981
No surname?
No.
385
00:26:12,981 --> 00:26:15,181
And he thought she was
more than just a friend why?
386
00:26:15,181 --> 00:26:17,981
Because they were on their own
in the corner, all over each other.
387
00:26:17,981 --> 00:26:21,981
And any more specific idea
when this might have happened?
388
00:26:21,981 --> 00:26:23,341
Yes, actually very specific,
389
00:26:23,341 --> 00:26:26,821
because it was the day
after the second lockdown had ended,
390
00:26:26,821 --> 00:26:30,981
and the pubs had just reopened,
so everyone was a bit demob happy.
391
00:26:30,981 --> 00:26:33,981
Yeah, when was that?
Third of December, 2020.
392
00:26:33,981 --> 00:26:35,821
Any description of her?
393
00:26:35,821 --> 00:26:38,501
40-ish, pretty, beautiful red hair.
394
00:26:38,501 --> 00:26:44,821
OK, erm... can we put in a request
for Cooper's mobile data?
395
00:26:44,821 --> 00:26:46,981
Calls, texts, and triangulation.
396
00:26:46,981 --> 00:26:50,021
We should try open source socials as
well, and emails while we're at it.
397
00:26:50,021 --> 00:26:52,981
Yeah. See if we can't find out
this woman's full name.
398
00:26:52,981 --> 00:26:54,501
Boss.
Kaz?
399
00:26:54,501 --> 00:26:57,981
Yeah, so, PAYE records,
year ended '21,
400
00:26:57,981 --> 00:26:59,981
we do have an M Baines.
401
00:26:59,981 --> 00:27:03,501
Two addresses, though, one in Ilford
and then the other in Deal, Kent.
402
00:27:03,501 --> 00:27:04,981
Oh, it'll be the Kent one now
403
00:27:04,981 --> 00:27:08,981
cos we know he moved
back there in March, 2021.
404
00:27:08,981 --> 00:27:10,981
OK, can you ping that
over to me, please? Mm-hm.
405
00:27:10,981 --> 00:27:13,981
Oh, and I have found
three USB sticks for the car park,
406
00:27:13,981 --> 00:27:15,981
just gotta go through the footage.
407
00:27:15,981 --> 00:27:16,981
Good stuff. Murray?
408
00:27:16,981 --> 00:27:19,981
So, Mrs Cooper dropped off
the tenancy documents yesterday.
409
00:27:19,981 --> 00:27:22,981
Good. But concentrating
on Cooper's assault for now,
410
00:27:22,981 --> 00:27:24,021
he said he was hit from behind
411
00:27:24,021 --> 00:27:25,981
and that the assailant
was wearing a hoodie.
412
00:27:25,981 --> 00:27:29,501
Now, two brief bits of CCTV
were found
413
00:27:29,501 --> 00:27:31,981
showing a man matching
that description
414
00:27:31,981 --> 00:27:34,981
walking away from the direction
of the Three Crowns car park
415
00:27:34,981 --> 00:27:36,981
and in the direction of Bow tube.
416
00:27:36,981 --> 00:27:38,501
And followed up?
No.
417
00:27:38,501 --> 00:27:39,981
The footage was timed at 10:33,
418
00:27:39,981 --> 00:27:41,981
which was thought to be half hour
after the attack happened.
419
00:27:41,981 --> 00:27:44,501
So?
The thing is...
420
00:27:44,501 --> 00:27:47,981
he was knocked unconscious,
and when his wife found him,
421
00:27:47,981 --> 00:27:49,981
she assumed
the attack had just happened,
422
00:27:49,981 --> 00:27:52,981
when actually he could have been
sparko for half an hour.
423
00:27:53,981 --> 00:27:55,981
Ah, so, in which case,
the timing might fit?
424
00:27:55,981 --> 00:27:57,981
Yeah, exactly.
Hm.
425
00:27:57,981 --> 00:28:00,981
OK, let's see it.
This is the first one.
426
00:28:06,981 --> 00:28:08,981
What's he doing with his hand?
Don't know.
427
00:28:08,981 --> 00:28:11,981
I thought waving at someone.
Can we see the next bit?
428
00:28:20,981 --> 00:28:21,981
Sorry, can you play it again?
429
00:28:26,021 --> 00:28:27,981
Is he hailing a cab?
430
00:28:31,981 --> 00:28:32,981
Or is he stimming?
431
00:28:32,981 --> 00:28:34,981
"Stimming"?
Yeah.
432
00:28:34,981 --> 00:28:36,981
It's something
that some autistic people do.
433
00:28:36,981 --> 00:28:38,981
I have a cousin who's on the sphere.
434
00:28:38,981 --> 00:28:42,981
It's a sort of repetitive movement
to alleviate stress.
435
00:28:43,981 --> 00:28:45,981
OK, you wanna ping that address
over to me now?
436
00:28:45,981 --> 00:28:47,981
We need to get down to Deal ASAP.
437
00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:10,981
So he put all his properties
through you?
438
00:29:10,981 --> 00:29:13,981
Yeah.
And over what time scale was this?
439
00:29:13,981 --> 00:29:17,821
We started letting the first one
in 2014,
440
00:29:17,821 --> 00:29:20,981
and we stopped working with him
in late 2020.
441
00:29:20,981 --> 00:29:23,341
So six years, give or take.
Mm.
442
00:29:23,341 --> 00:29:26,981
And within those three properties,
there were 19 rooms,
443
00:29:26,981 --> 00:29:29,981
all needing separate contracts,
quite often, short term,
444
00:29:29,981 --> 00:29:31,341
so it was a very full-on job.
445
00:29:31,341 --> 00:29:32,981
We often spoke several times a week.
446
00:29:32,981 --> 00:29:35,821
What was he like to work with?
Oh, he was a nightmare.
447
00:29:35,821 --> 00:29:38,981
Oh. Wasn't expecting that.
In what respect?
448
00:29:38,981 --> 00:29:42,021
He just never wanted to spend
any money on anything.
449
00:29:42,021 --> 00:29:45,981
Amenities, maintenance,
safety regs, anything.
450
00:29:45,981 --> 00:29:47,981
Never mind
the legal issues that caused,
451
00:29:47,981 --> 00:29:50,981
we obviously have
moral and ethical responsibilities.
452
00:29:50,981 --> 00:29:54,981
And so in 2019,
we stopped managing the properties,
453
00:29:54,981 --> 00:29:55,981
just found him tenants.
454
00:29:55,981 --> 00:29:57,981
And after that,
he managed the tenants himself.
455
00:29:57,981 --> 00:30:00,341
Which was also a nightmare
because he was so combative.
456
00:30:00,341 --> 00:30:02,981
In which way?
In how he resolved disputes.
457
00:30:03,981 --> 00:30:06,981
Physically intimidating,
verbally aggressive.
458
00:30:06,981 --> 00:30:09,981
Look, meaning in the end,
we terminated our agreement with him
459
00:30:09,981 --> 00:30:12,021
in September, 2020.
460
00:30:12,021 --> 00:30:16,981
OK. Now, where there any particular
disputes you can recall,
461
00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:19,981
say in 2020, that might have
properly boiled over?
462
00:30:19,981 --> 00:30:23,981
I'd have to go back over emails
and records for specifics,
463
00:30:23,981 --> 00:30:27,981
but... generally speaking,
yeah, yeah, several.
464
00:30:27,981 --> 00:30:29,981
If you could,
that'd be really useful.
465
00:30:29,981 --> 00:30:31,981
No worries.
466
00:30:31,981 --> 00:30:35,981
Erm... what kind of people
were his tenants?
467
00:30:35,981 --> 00:30:37,981
They were
almost exclusively asylum seekers,
468
00:30:37,981 --> 00:30:39,981
I think he had a deal
with the council.
469
00:30:40,981 --> 00:30:43,981
No doubt they presented
some challenges,
470
00:30:43,981 --> 00:30:46,981
but everyone deserves
to live safely, right?
471
00:31:19,981 --> 00:31:20,981
DS Boulting...
472
00:31:22,661 --> 00:31:24,981
...there was one case
that you should follow up.
473
00:31:24,981 --> 00:31:28,981
There was an Afghan family who had
a long-running dispute with him,
474
00:31:28,981 --> 00:31:30,981
really boiled over.
475
00:31:30,981 --> 00:31:31,981
I'll look for the files now,
476
00:31:31,981 --> 00:31:33,981
but you should start with the guy
that interpreted for them.
477
00:31:33,981 --> 00:31:36,981
Lovely fella, Asif.
478
00:31:38,501 --> 00:31:40,981
I am in no-one's debt.
479
00:31:40,981 --> 00:31:44,981
And I am sick of being made to feel
like I should be grateful.
480
00:31:44,981 --> 00:31:47,661
No-one is saying that.
ASIF SCOFFS
481
00:31:47,661 --> 00:31:49,981
It's right there in your reaction
to what I did, Sam.
482
00:31:49,981 --> 00:31:53,981
That I had the... temerity to bring
Hassan over here,
483
00:31:53,981 --> 00:31:56,981
to try and get him settled
illegally.
484
00:31:56,981 --> 00:32:00,981
But that... that...
that isn't why I was angry.
485
00:32:00,981 --> 00:32:02,981
Look, I was angry because...
486
00:32:04,661 --> 00:32:06,981
I mean...
I mean, did it never occur to you
487
00:32:06,981 --> 00:32:09,981
what the implications
of what you were doing were for me?
488
00:32:12,981 --> 00:32:14,981
As far as I can tell, you're fine,
489
00:32:14,981 --> 00:32:17,661
on account of your government
not wanting to execute you
490
00:32:17,661 --> 00:32:18,981
for being gay.
491
00:32:22,981 --> 00:32:25,341
OK, that...
492
00:32:25,341 --> 00:32:28,981
that is my house... Asif...
493
00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:32,981
which makes me
party to a criminal act.
494
00:32:32,981 --> 00:32:37,981
I could lose my whole career
if Hassan was found there.
495
00:32:37,981 --> 00:32:40,981
Interesting take.
496
00:32:40,981 --> 00:32:43,981
Yeah, you know what?
They'd also probably charge you.
497
00:32:43,981 --> 00:32:46,341
Which would mean
the end of your citizenship test,
498
00:32:46,341 --> 00:32:49,981
the end of you being able to stay
here, and the end of us.
499
00:32:56,181 --> 00:33:00,981
Look, no-one is more ashamed
of the government than I am
500
00:33:00,981 --> 00:33:01,981
for what they did to you.
501
00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:05,981
I just... I don't see
how this makes things any better.
502
00:33:05,981 --> 00:33:07,981
It makes it better for him, Sam.
503
00:33:07,981 --> 00:33:10,021
Yeah, but at great risk to us.
504
00:33:10,021 --> 00:33:14,981
If Hass hadn't have got out,
the Taliban would have killed him...
505
00:33:14,981 --> 00:33:16,981
just like they would have killed me.
506
00:33:16,981 --> 00:33:22,341
So, I'm sorry, but I feel no guilt
in spitting in your system's face.
507
00:33:24,981 --> 00:33:25,981
They did it to me first.
508
00:33:39,181 --> 00:33:41,981
Dead?
I'm so sorry to be the bearer of...
509
00:33:41,981 --> 00:33:43,661
Well, it wasn't Martin.
Mum...
510
00:33:43,661 --> 00:33:47,981
It wasn't Martin, cos he was...
I said shut up, noisy bitch.
511
00:33:49,981 --> 00:33:51,181
I don't wanna talk here.
512
00:34:00,501 --> 00:34:01,981
Hey, Fran, it's me,
513
00:34:01,981 --> 00:34:03,981
we're gonna need an appropriate
adult for this afternoon.
514
00:34:03,981 --> 00:34:06,981
Yeah. Can you do a PCN check for me?
515
00:34:10,981 --> 00:34:12,341
Watch your head. There you go.
516
00:34:13,981 --> 00:34:16,501
Do you drive a car, Marty?
517
00:34:16,501 --> 00:34:19,341
Dad used to let me drive his,
but then we sold it.
518
00:34:19,341 --> 00:34:21,021
"Needed the moolah, me old mucker."
519
00:34:41,981 --> 00:34:43,981
So, my job, Marty,
520
00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:46,981
is to make sure that you're
fully aware of all your rights
521
00:34:46,981 --> 00:34:50,501
and to make sure that
you don't accidentally say something
522
00:34:50,501 --> 00:34:51,981
that gets you into trouble.
523
00:34:53,981 --> 00:34:56,981
I don't want to get into trouble.
I don't want you too either.
524
00:34:57,981 --> 00:34:58,981
So should I lie, then?
525
00:35:01,981 --> 00:35:06,981
Well, it's generally better to tell
the truth... don't you think?
526
00:35:10,981 --> 00:35:14,981
So, if I have this right from
my reading of the court transcripts,
527
00:35:14,981 --> 00:35:17,021
Gerry Cooper's
actually an old friend of yours?
528
00:35:17,021 --> 00:35:20,981
Yeah. Yeah, he was, yeah.
Can you talk me through that?
529
00:35:20,981 --> 00:35:22,981
Well, we'd known
each other most of our lives.
530
00:35:22,981 --> 00:35:25,501
We went to the same school,
531
00:35:25,501 --> 00:35:27,181
we lived round the corner
from each other.
532
00:35:27,181 --> 00:35:29,341
I drank in his pub.
533
00:35:30,181 --> 00:35:35,181
And the assault occurred
at a rally in Westminster square?
534
00:35:35,181 --> 00:35:37,981
Yeah.
Had you gone there together?
535
00:35:37,981 --> 00:35:40,981
No, no, we ran into each other
by chance.
536
00:35:40,981 --> 00:35:42,981
What was the rally?
537
00:35:42,981 --> 00:35:44,981
It was the day
of one of the big Brexit votes,
538
00:35:44,981 --> 00:35:47,821
it was March 29th, 2019.
539
00:35:47,821 --> 00:35:49,661
And you were there...
I was a remainer.
540
00:35:49,661 --> 00:35:50,981
And Mr Cooper?
541
00:35:50,981 --> 00:35:52,981
Brexiteer.
OK.
542
00:35:52,981 --> 00:35:55,981
So you just bumped into each other?
543
00:35:55,981 --> 00:35:57,501
Yeah. Yeah.
544
00:35:57,501 --> 00:35:59,981
And it was all very friendly
at first. Mm-hm.
545
00:35:59,981 --> 00:36:02,981
And then we started talking
about the vote,
546
00:36:02,981 --> 00:36:05,661
and, yeah, well, it all got...
547
00:36:05,661 --> 00:36:07,501
really unpleasant really quickly.
548
00:36:07,501 --> 00:36:10,981
We'd both had a few drinks,
so that didn't help, but, erm...
549
00:36:12,981 --> 00:36:14,501
He just made me so angry.
550
00:36:14,501 --> 00:36:16,981
He made you angry,
or you got angry?
551
00:36:16,981 --> 00:36:19,981
Yeah, well,
yeah, there you go, look,
552
00:36:19,981 --> 00:36:21,981
look, I'm sure
a lot of it was my fault.
553
00:36:21,981 --> 00:36:23,981
In what way?
554
00:36:23,981 --> 00:36:26,341
Well, he had
a right to his opinions.
555
00:36:26,341 --> 00:36:28,981
I-I was just too interested in...
556
00:36:28,981 --> 00:36:31,981
in trying to wind him up
and mock him.
557
00:36:31,981 --> 00:36:33,981
So it got heated.
Yeah. Yeah.
558
00:36:33,981 --> 00:36:37,981
He got angrier and angrier,
as did I.
559
00:36:37,981 --> 00:36:40,821
And then he was making some point,
560
00:36:40,821 --> 00:36:41,981
and he sort of prodded me
in the chest,
561
00:36:41,981 --> 00:36:43,981
which really wound me up.
562
00:36:43,981 --> 00:36:46,181
So I sort of swiped his hand away...
563
00:36:46,181 --> 00:36:49,981
which is when... he punched me...
564
00:36:49,981 --> 00:36:51,981
in the face...
565
00:36:52,981 --> 00:36:54,981
...very fucking hard.
566
00:36:57,021 --> 00:36:58,981
PHONE BUZZING
567
00:37:12,981 --> 00:37:14,981
LEANNE: 'Hi, you've reached Leanne,
568
00:37:14,981 --> 00:37:16,661
'please leave a message
after the tone.'
569
00:37:16,661 --> 00:37:17,981
VOICEMAIL BEEPS
570
00:37:17,981 --> 00:37:20,981
It's me again. Gimme a call.
571
00:37:22,981 --> 00:37:24,981
So, one arrest.
572
00:37:24,981 --> 00:37:27,981
For? Burglary, dwelling,
seven years ago.
573
00:37:27,981 --> 00:37:30,981
OK.
And obviously, we go gently.
574
00:37:30,981 --> 00:37:31,981
Of course, yeah.
575
00:37:43,181 --> 00:37:47,021
Well, I mean, I knew him less well
in the last ten years or so,
576
00:37:47,021 --> 00:37:48,981
but, erm...
577
00:37:48,981 --> 00:37:52,981
I'd say he increasingly came across
as a bitter man.
578
00:37:52,981 --> 00:37:54,981
Bitter. About what?
579
00:37:55,981 --> 00:37:58,981
How he perceived
life had treated him, I guess.
580
00:37:58,981 --> 00:38:00,981
Had he not done OK?
Well, I would have said so.
581
00:38:00,981 --> 00:38:02,981
But I think
he felt he was owed more
582
00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:07,981
and that people like him
had been abandoned, politically.
583
00:38:07,981 --> 00:38:10,981
Right, who do you think
the anger was aimed at?
584
00:38:10,981 --> 00:38:13,981
CHUCKLES
Anyone and everyone.
585
00:38:14,981 --> 00:38:17,981
Big Pharma, phone mast companies,
586
00:38:17,981 --> 00:38:20,981
the Jews, the Arabs, Davos.
587
00:38:20,981 --> 00:38:23,981
Look, it was
all pretty rabbit holey.
588
00:38:24,981 --> 00:38:26,981
And then, erm...
589
00:38:26,981 --> 00:38:29,021
then in 2016, he, erm...
590
00:38:29,021 --> 00:38:33,981
he created an online forum
called UK United.
591
00:38:33,981 --> 00:38:36,821
Oh, right, what was that?
Well, exactly what it sounds like.
592
00:38:36,821 --> 00:38:40,981
Anti immigration,
low-level racist wank
593
00:38:40,981 --> 00:38:43,981
about how we needed to get
back to good old days.
594
00:38:43,981 --> 00:38:46,981
UK United?
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah.
595
00:38:48,981 --> 00:38:50,981
LIZ: We need a curriculum
that allows space
596
00:38:50,981 --> 00:38:53,981
for a properly
critical understanding
597
00:38:53,981 --> 00:38:55,981
of racism, capitalism,
and colonialism
598
00:38:55,981 --> 00:38:58,021
as paradigmatic systems
of oppression.
599
00:38:58,021 --> 00:39:00,981
And you giving me that book
suggests you have no desire
600
00:39:00,981 --> 00:39:01,981
to go on that journey.
601
00:39:01,981 --> 00:39:05,981
My giving you that book
was entirely part of that journey.
602
00:39:05,981 --> 00:39:07,981
It was an attempt to allow you
603
00:39:07,981 --> 00:39:10,981
to understand the life of a woman
who, first hand,
604
00:39:10,981 --> 00:39:13,981
had experienced many of the
oppressions you've just described.
605
00:39:13,981 --> 00:39:16,981
The book, maybe, I haven't read it.
You giving it to me, no.
606
00:39:16,981 --> 00:39:17,981
And how's that?
607
00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:19,981
Our reading list
remains achingly white,
608
00:39:19,981 --> 00:39:21,821
so your offer was
at best, tokenistic,
609
00:39:21,821 --> 00:39:22,981
and at worst, a deliberate insult.
610
00:39:26,021 --> 00:39:28,981
An insult to who?
To all people of colour.
611
00:39:28,981 --> 00:39:30,981
But you're white.
It was a blatant "fuck you".
612
00:39:30,981 --> 00:39:32,661
Oh, it just wasn't.
613
00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:34,981
You were literally smirking
when you handed it over.
614
00:39:34,981 --> 00:39:36,981
That is just my face.
615
00:39:37,981 --> 00:39:39,981
It angers you
that I have a strong opinion,
616
00:39:39,981 --> 00:39:41,981
so you used the title
as a weapon to anger me.
617
00:39:41,981 --> 00:39:45,981
No, I just wanted you to read it,
you sanctimonious little...
618
00:39:45,981 --> 00:39:47,981
Juliet...
No, excuse me, my turn now!
619
00:39:47,981 --> 00:39:49,981
I mean, you are proper smart,
620
00:39:49,981 --> 00:39:51,021
Liz, you are super passionate,
621
00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:53,501
but, please, there are
so many more important things
622
00:39:53,501 --> 00:39:54,981
in this world to get angry about.
623
00:39:54,981 --> 00:39:57,341
Are you seriously telling us
what we can be angry about now?
624
00:39:57,341 --> 00:39:59,981
You know what? I actually am.
I know more shit than you.
625
00:39:59,981 --> 00:40:02,981
You certainly know more shit.
I've lived 37 years more life.
626
00:40:04,981 --> 00:40:07,021
But much more importantly...
627
00:40:14,981 --> 00:40:16,981
...the idea that two white people,
628
00:40:16,981 --> 00:40:19,981
sitting in the lecture hall
of an elite university
629
00:40:19,981 --> 00:40:21,981
discussing the semantic niceties
of the racial lexicon
630
00:40:21,981 --> 00:40:25,981
could in turn meaningfully change
the world somehow
631
00:40:25,981 --> 00:40:29,981
is as absurd as it is
ever-so-slightly repulsive.
632
00:40:31,981 --> 00:40:33,981
Get a fucking life, Liz.
633
00:40:46,981 --> 00:40:48,981
WOMAN ON VIDEO: 'BoJo retweeted me!'
'No!'
634
00:40:48,981 --> 00:40:51,981
'No way.'
THEY LAUGH
635
00:40:51,981 --> 00:40:54,981
'Boris Johnson retweeted me!
636
00:40:54,981 --> 00:40:58,981
'Whoo! Oh, my God. Boris!
637
00:40:59,981 --> 00:41:03,661
'Come on, give me my drink.
Boris! Boris!
638
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:05,981
CHANTING: 'Boris! Boris!
639
00:41:06,981 --> 00:41:08,981
'Retweeted me!'
640
00:41:31,981 --> 00:41:33,981
Marty, can I ask you,
641
00:41:33,981 --> 00:41:36,981
how come you ended up working
in a job that was so far from home?
642
00:41:36,981 --> 00:41:40,821
Dad got me a supported living flat
in Ilford,
643
00:41:40,821 --> 00:41:42,981
then the council put me
on a work scheme,
644
00:41:42,981 --> 00:41:43,981
and because I'm strong,
645
00:41:43,981 --> 00:41:46,981
I got the job at the Three Crowns
lifting and carrying.
646
00:41:46,981 --> 00:41:49,981
And who gave you that job?
Mr Cooper.
647
00:41:49,981 --> 00:41:51,981
Gerry Cooper?
Yes.
648
00:41:51,981 --> 00:41:55,981
And when was this?
14th of May, 2019, at 17:30.
649
00:41:55,981 --> 00:41:57,981
And how did you get on
with Mr Cooper?
650
00:41:57,981 --> 00:41:59,981
Very nicely, thank you.
651
00:41:59,981 --> 00:42:01,341
He was a chatterbox like me,
652
00:42:01,341 --> 00:42:02,981
could talk the hind legs
off a donkey.
653
00:42:02,981 --> 00:42:06,181
OK, well, what did you guys
like to talk about?
654
00:42:06,181 --> 00:42:08,981
Er, mainly the world economic forum,
655
00:42:08,981 --> 00:42:12,501
the great replacement theory,
and George Soros.
656
00:42:12,501 --> 00:42:14,981
And work went well?
Work went well, yes.
657
00:42:14,981 --> 00:42:16,021
But then the pandemic happened.
658
00:42:16,021 --> 00:42:18,981
Yes, then the pandemic happened.
And you were laid off.
659
00:42:18,981 --> 00:42:20,981
And I was laid off.
That must have been difficult.
660
00:42:20,981 --> 00:42:24,981
Yes. Can I ask you, Marty,
were you ever given furlough?
661
00:42:24,981 --> 00:42:26,341
Yes, I was.
OK.
662
00:42:26,341 --> 00:42:29,981
Except, we have a note
from a fellow employee
663
00:42:29,981 --> 00:42:31,341
who thinks you weren't.
664
00:42:31,341 --> 00:42:34,821
Gerry applied for it for me
and got the money,
665
00:42:34,821 --> 00:42:36,341
but he never paid me.
666
00:42:36,341 --> 00:42:38,981
OK, how do you know this?
My dad found out.
667
00:42:38,981 --> 00:42:41,661
Right,
and did you ask Gerry about this?
668
00:42:41,661 --> 00:42:44,181
Yes, and he said he would pay me,
but he's "temporarily in a pickle,
669
00:42:44,181 --> 00:42:45,981
"short of the readies, mate."
670
00:42:45,981 --> 00:42:48,981
But he paid you eventually?
No. No, he never.
671
00:42:49,981 --> 00:42:53,181
Well... that doesn't sound fair.
672
00:42:53,181 --> 00:42:55,981
No, it wasn't fair.
So did that make you a bit angry?
673
00:42:55,981 --> 00:42:59,981
Can you be careful, please, about
putting words into Marty's mouth?
674
00:42:59,981 --> 00:43:02,981
Of course. My apologies, Marty.
675
00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,981
How did it make you feel?
676
00:43:04,981 --> 00:43:06,981
A bit angry.
OK, can I just...
677
00:43:08,981 --> 00:43:10,501
Do you want to take five minutes,
Marty?
678
00:43:10,501 --> 00:43:12,981
No, thank you, thank you for asking.
679
00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:14,981
Are you sure?
Yes, I'm sure.
680
00:43:16,981 --> 00:43:19,981
Just go gently, please.
Of course. Thank you.
681
00:43:19,981 --> 00:43:24,981
So, did you ever argue with Gerry
about the money?
682
00:43:24,981 --> 00:43:26,501
Yes, I did argue with him.
683
00:43:26,501 --> 00:43:28,981
And these were friendly arguments,
or...?
684
00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:29,981
Cross arguments.
685
00:43:31,981 --> 00:43:33,661
OK. Er...
686
00:43:37,021 --> 00:43:38,821
Did it ever get physical?
687
00:43:38,821 --> 00:43:41,981
Are you sure you wouldn't like
to take a break?
688
00:43:41,981 --> 00:43:43,981
Yes, it got physical.
689
00:43:48,501 --> 00:43:50,981
When did it get physical?
One time in the pub.
690
00:43:50,981 --> 00:43:53,981
Inside or outside
in the pub car park?
691
00:43:53,981 --> 00:43:55,021
No, inside.
OK.
692
00:43:55,021 --> 00:43:57,981
Do you wanna tell us what happened?
He pushed me...
693
00:43:59,021 --> 00:44:02,981
...and I pushed him back...
up against the wall...
694
00:44:03,981 --> 00:44:06,981
...and then I walked away,
and that's all that happened.
695
00:44:06,981 --> 00:44:08,981
And that's all?
Yes, that's all that happened.
696
00:44:08,981 --> 00:44:11,661
You didn't punch him?
697
00:44:11,661 --> 00:44:13,981
Violence is never the answer,
DI Sunil Khan.
698
00:44:15,981 --> 00:44:18,341
No, you're absolutely right there,
Marty,
699
00:44:18,341 --> 00:44:19,981
but can I tell you why I'm asking?
700
00:44:19,981 --> 00:44:21,181
Yes, please.
701
00:44:21,181 --> 00:44:22,981
Because we have
CCTV footage of someone
702
00:44:22,981 --> 00:44:25,821
who looks very much like you,
703
00:44:25,821 --> 00:44:28,981
around the time that we know
that Mr Cooper was badly assaulted
704
00:44:28,981 --> 00:44:30,981
walking away from the pub.
705
00:44:32,981 --> 00:44:35,181
Oh, fuck.
706
00:44:35,181 --> 00:44:39,021
Erm, I-I would like to take my break
now, please,
707
00:44:39,021 --> 00:44:40,981
so that I can get my story straight.
708
00:45:11,341 --> 00:45:13,981
MARTY: 'This is Marty,
I can't take your call right now.
709
00:45:13,981 --> 00:45:16,981
'Please leave a message.'
710
00:45:16,981 --> 00:45:20,981
I don't know if they're listening
to this, but...
711
00:45:22,021 --> 00:45:25,981
...don't say anything about Daddy...
712
00:45:27,181 --> 00:45:28,821
...pickle.
713
00:45:29,981 --> 00:45:31,981
Don't say a single word.
714
00:45:39,981 --> 00:45:41,981
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