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Beautiful.
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Rumble, young man.
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Cook, Champ.
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Float like a butterfly, Champ.
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Rumble, young man.
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Cook, Champ.
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Everybody stop talking now. Attention.
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I told you... All of my critics...
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I told you all that I qas
the greatest of all time...
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Let's go back to the beginning.
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Every race and color that's
ever came to this country...
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have shed they blood in this ring.
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In the '20s and '30s...
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you had the immigrant nations
all going to America.
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That's why you had all the Jewish fighters,
Irish fighters...
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and Italian fighters.
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The game hasn't changed.
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It's just different people playing the part.
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- Boom. Boom.
- You had to fight to make a living.
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You can lose your life giving the people
what they wanna see.
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Nowadays, nine out of 10
are Mexican, Puerto Rican...
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'cause they're the biggest
influx now into America.
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One-two combination...
Left, right, boom.
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This is what built America, man.
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Every freakin' one of us...
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have shed our blood in this ring.
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But when Ali come in the game...
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he just took it to another level...
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A step above the crowd.
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You know how great I am.
I don't have to tell you about my strategy.
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I'll let my trainer tell you.
Bodini, come here.
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Bodini, tell 'em.
What are we gonna do?
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You gonna float like a butterfly
and sting like a bee.
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Rumble, young man. Rumble.
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That's what we gonna do. You heard it.
That's my trainer. He'll tell you.
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We're talkin' about 1958.
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Cassius Clay walked in and said...
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"I want everybody
who weigh 175 pounds to stand up."
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And everybody...
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Didn't nobody know who he was.
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He said, "I just wanna let you know.
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You know who gonna win
all this here thing here tonight?
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It's gonna be me."
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Cassius Marcellus Clay
is a great name in Kentucky.
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He meant a lot to black people...
to the black community.
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And he means a lot
to the black community today.
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I mean, who was more revered
than Muhammad Ali?
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More revered than any other fighter
ever in boxing history.
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More revered, perhaps,
almost any other person in history.
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Oh, yeah, we knew about him.
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He was light heavyweight in the Olympics...
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like I was a light heavyweight in them days.
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This man was supposed to have been the
fastest light heavyweight they've ever seen.
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You got a guy 6 foot 31/2.
He was moving like a middleweight.
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And when you've got
fast feet and fast hands...
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which he had,
that makes some sort of a fighter.
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I am the greatest!
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Was I jealous of him? Yes.
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The guy was tall. He was good lookin'.
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Everybody was jealous of him.
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I was training in Angelo Dundee's gym.
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Cassius Clay was there.
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He was really busy searching
for himself down there.
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I remember one time he was saying,
"Japanese are in Japan.
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Russians are in Russia.
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Germans are in Germany.
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What country is called 'Negro'?"
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And this guy stood up...
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"What country is called 'White Folks'?"
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The '60s, I think, was where
black people as a whole...
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came together and said,
"Enough is enough."
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We declare our right on this Earth...
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to be a man,
to be a human being...
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which we intend to bring into existence
by any means necessary.
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I will be 21 January the 17th...
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and I predict that by the end of 1963...
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I will be the youngest
heavyweight champion in history.
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Cassius, since you're not
worried about this guy Cooper.
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How about when you get through
with him? What are your plans after that?
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Well, you're right. I'm not even
worried about this big bum.
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Cooper will only be a warm-up...
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until I get to that big,
ugly bear, Sonny Liston.
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I used to train
in southeast London in them days...
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and I used to run, like,
4:00 in the morning.
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And I used to see all these old girls,
like mums and grandmas...
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who used to be doing early morning cleaning,
like, in the big factories.
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They used to say to me, "You stop that
loudmouth. Give him a good wallop."
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I fought him at Wembley Stadium
in front of 40,000 people.
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He came in the ring
with a blue silk dressing gown...
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with a crown on.
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You could feel the atmosphere.
God, I mean..."Henry! Henry!"
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It was so thick
you could cut it with a knife.
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So here we go. It's the fight of the year.
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Clay from the right-hand corner,
against Cooper of Britain.
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See, '63 when I first fought him,
he was a novice at inside fighting.
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I mean, I roughed him up inside.
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I had his nose bleeding in the first round.
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And he kept looking at the ref...
"Look, ref, break, break!"
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Right into Clay's face, and he's scoring
heavily with him. He's hurting the American.
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I came from a working-class family.
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No good fighter comes
from a middle-class family.
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You gotta be wanting to get
out of the environment you're in.
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That's what motivates a fighter.
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My father was a boy soldier
in the First World War.
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He was in the Royal Horse Artillery,
pulling them old cannons...
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and he did a bit of boxing in the army...
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so he taught us
the fundamentals of boxing...
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Got down on his knees
and taught us that way.
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And listening to stories
about Granddad...
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I mean, he must have been
rather a character.
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And he was into 20-round
bare-knuckle fighting.
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When Granddad was fighting
a man, and if he had a wife...
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and the wife sort of butted in...
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my gran used to go up and start a fight.
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And she never sort of pulled hair...
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It was full bloody punches.
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As a working-class lad like I was...
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I never expected to get any honors.
Good Lord.
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I mean, I boxed because
I liked boxing, all right.
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Then, suddenly, I got a knighthood.
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I've been to Buckingham Palace
10, 15 different occasions.
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You know, and I'm a royalist. I believe in
the royal family. I don't want a president.
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I don't want some trumped-up guy who's,
like, gonna con the country...
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and wanna be a president.
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The queen hasn't put a foot wrong.
She's done everything right.
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One or two of the family
have just let her down a bit.
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But I still want a king and a queen
more than a president.
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He's threatening, and he's teasing Cooper.
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He was doing a bit of showboating.
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He was dropping his hands,
so I showed him one left.
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I showed him another left, and then
when he couldn't get back any further...
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I hit him with a left hook.
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And when I used to hit
with the left hook...
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the eyes used to shoot up
to the top of their head...
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and both his eyes
were at the top of his head.
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He's up at about three.
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Well, he learned one thing.
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He learned that, basically, he had a pretty
good chin, if he didn't know that before.
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He knew that he could take a good shot
and then recover from it.
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And now we come to round five.
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The Ali fights were
the worst cuts in my career.
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Basically, the bone
would come through the flesh.
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A plastic surgeon stitched it.
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He put 40 stitches on the inside,
and 40 stitches on the outside.
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The towel has come
in from Cooper's corner.
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Ali always paid me a great tribute...
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'cause he always said,
"Cooper hit me so hard...
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he didn't only shake me,
he shook my relations in Africa."
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Now, that's a really good line.
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You gotta give him credit.
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I met Ali on September 22, 1963...
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and he was dressed like a...
kinda like a preppy white guy.
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You know, he had a brown suit,
and, like, straight pants.
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The promoter of the fight,
Bill King, asked me if I would...
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sign to fight Cassius Clay, as he was
known then, if I beat Mike DeJohn.
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Mike survived the fight.
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In the sixth round, I knock him down.
Looked like he's dead.
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He finally gets up.
I knock him down again.
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The referee walks over,
picks him up off the floor...
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then proceeds to give him
a standing eight count.
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I said to myself,
"Man, I think I'm in trouble here."
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I was lucky to win a 10-round
split decision. It was a joke.
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Next day in the paper Ali says,
"I'm not fighting Chuvalo.
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He fights rough and tough
like a washerwoman."
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So I said, "I gotta get dressed up
as a washerwoman."
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Chuvalo's a washerwoman.
You know how women fight.
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They have a wild... wild style...
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Ladies style of fightin'.
That's the way he fights.
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So I went to a rental place
and got a big bonnet hat.
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I got a flower-print dress.
And I put some makeup on.
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I got some granny glasses
perched down the bottom of my nose.
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And my contract with Ali.
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So I walk in. People are wondering,
"Who the hell is this guy?"
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I'm in drag.
I said, "Yoo-hoo, cautious.
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Yoo-hoo, cautious."
And he looks over.
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I said, "You forgot to honor
this contract."
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What I didn't realize, though,
at the time, was that...
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they were already negotiating
a fight with Liston.
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Float like a butterfly. Sting like a bee.
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Rumble, young man. Rumble.
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I'll get him at the weigh-in.
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Sonny Liston was born
to be a big, brute boxer.
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We'd have these terrible sparring matches.
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He was the only man to ever stand up to me.
No one has ever stood up to me.
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Liston will kill him...
Kill him in the first round.
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- Liston.
- Second round, Liston.
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Liston in four.
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Dig that tonight somebody will die
at ringside from shock.
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I can remember watching Ali...
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going to the weigh-in...
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and he was ramping off all the time.
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I thought, "He's gonna be
completely knackered by tonight."
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I thought Liston was gonna tear him apart.
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I thought he was a lead-pipe cinch
to win by a K.O.
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Sonny Liston was an awesome...
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powerful athlete.
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Cassius Clay moved like a gazelle...
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In and out, side to side. Off the ropes,
and always in the center of the ring.
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His strength was his speed.
He was very fast.
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Cassius Clay has surprised everyone.
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He just took it to another level.
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He was very gifted. Very gifted.
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Seconds remaining in the sixth.
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The crowd now cheering
the challenger.
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They might be stopping it.
That might be all, ladies and gentlemen.
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Well, it was a big upset.
I mean, let's be honest.
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Liston was a bit slower,
where Ali could pick him off.
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He could dance around him, you know.
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And he made Ali look good.
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A lot of people talk about Ali's greatest
fight was with Cleveland Williams...
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but Cleveland Williams had just been shot
a few months before that fight...
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and he wasn't the same Cleveland Williams.
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I think that's Muhammad Ali's greatest
fight ever... The first Liston fight.
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- Come here, Champ.
- I'm the greatest fighter that ever lived!
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And I just turned 22 years old.
I must be the greatest.
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I told the world, I talk to God every day.
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If God's with me,
can't nobody be against me.
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I shook up the world.
I know God. I know the real God.
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- Cassius, wait a minute.
- I am the king of the world!
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- Hold it, hold it, hold it.
- I'm prettier.
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- Hold it. You're not that pretty.
- I'm a bad man.
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I shook up the world.
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I have a religion,
which is the religion of Islam...
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that most people don't understand...
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and they don't seem to like.
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I'm not one of these
who run around...
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forcin' my way
in another man's restaurant...
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and marrying out of my own race.
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When he first fought Liston...
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and he won the title, they praised him.
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But when he announced it
that he was a Black Muslim of Islam...
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the white mass booed him.
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Why do you insist on being
called Muhammad Ali now?
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That's the name given to me by my leader and
teacher, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
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That's my original name.
That's a black man's name.
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Cassius Clay was my slave name.
I'm no longer a slave.
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What the fuck is that?
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When he really met Malcolm X,
Malcolm X was filled with it.
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He fed him some social science.
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Fed him some political science.
241
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And, of course, gave him some history.
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And a bit of untruths
to paint the story that...
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"You are someone special.
You are the greatest."
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Malcolm X enlightened Ali in a lot of ways.
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When Ali talked,
a lot of times you could hear Malcolm.
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Black children should learn
about their own culture...
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not about England,
not about France, not about Rome.
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They should learn about Asia and Africa.
249
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They should learn
about their own black selves.
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I don't have to be
what you want me to be.
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I'm free to be what I want to be,
and think what I want to think, right?
252
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I don't believe in forced integration.
253
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That period in history was very chaotic.
254
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They had the Civil Rights movement.
255
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They had the Black Muslim movement,
and the split...
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with Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad,
the leader of the Black Muslims.
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Elijah Muhammad,
the head of the movement...
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is the father of eight children
by six different teenaged girls.
259
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I didn't have no meeting with Malcolm X.
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- Who said that?
- He came in the hotel...
261
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and was in your room
for a couple of hours.
262
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No, he was there
for about an hour or so.
263
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But as far as linking me
with him or something like that...
264
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I don't know nothing about his plans
or his future plans or what he's doing.
265
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I follow the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
266
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Malcolm X rose to speak
to his followers in Harlem.
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One minute later,
he was shot down by 10 bullets.
268
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Eighteen minutes later, he was dead.
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Say can you see
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By the daqn's early light
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The challenger is the first
to enter the ring.
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Muhammad Ali, Cassius Clay, 23...
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champion, never defeated as a pro.
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Kind of hard to believe now, this century,
looking back in the '60s...
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that Ali was kind of a... believe it
or not... a social pariah at the time.
276
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Muhammad Ali.
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Couple days prior to the fight...
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it had been set up that
if Liston wins, I fight Liston.
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If Ali wins, he fights Patterson.
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The fight took place...
281
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and Liston takes a dive.
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Sonny Liston said, "All I care
about is the do re mi."
283
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And so he was tellin' me then...
284
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he was boxing strictly for money.
285
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It wasn't like he threw a fight.
"I'm just fighting for money."
286
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I mean, to me,
he just didn't fancy the fight.
287
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He knew Ali was just too fast,
too quick for him.
288
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And he just... I think he swallowed it.
289
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Liston was scared to death
of Black Muslims.
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He was threatened by the Black Muslims.
291
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And he took a dive.
Everybody knows it.
292
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I knew it, and I was quite vocal
about it in the ring after.
293
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If Liston would have lost legitimately,
I would have had no qualms.
294
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But since he took a dive,
I voiced my opinion.
295
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When they ask me about
the army, I will say directly...
296
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"No, I will not go.
297
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Why should me and
other so-called Negroes...
298
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go 10,000 miles
away from home here in America...
299
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to drop bombs and bullets
on other innocent brown people...
300
00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,378
who's never bothered us?"
301
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And saying,
"My fight ain't with the Vietnamese.
302
00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:12,473
Them people ain't did nothin' to me."
303
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I think that gave
all the young black men pride.
304
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We could identify with that move
that he made.
305
00:19:20,092 --> 00:19:23,255
Cassius Clay, a member
of the Black Muslim religion...
306
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went immediately to the third floor
of the induction center...
307
00:19:26,031 --> 00:19:27,430
where processing began.
308
00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:30,900
He came out and said,
"I've got nothing against the Viet Cong."
309
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He said, "They don't call me nigger."
310
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If I'd have got up in 1940 and said...
311
00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:37,703
"Well, I think the Nazis and Hitler,
they're lovely people"...
312
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the public would have turned against me.
313
00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:42,442
The Ali situation
when he didn't want to go...
314
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I applaud that.
315
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I mean, I think people
should do that even now, today.
316
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That stuff in the Middle East is bullshit.
317
00:19:49,388 --> 00:19:52,221
We wanna tell them what to do...
318
00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:54,519
and I think our government is wrong
for doing that.
319
00:19:54,626 --> 00:19:57,424
Muhammad Ali left the induction center...
320
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to the cheers of supporters chanting...
321
00:19:59,498 --> 00:20:01,898
"If he don't go, we don't go."
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I'm the champ of the world,
Mr. Athletic Commissioner.
323
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And I'm here to fight for the title.
324
00:20:06,638 --> 00:20:08,538
- Mr. Clay...
- Muhammad Ali, sir.
325
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,632
- Mr. Muhammad Ali. Either one.
- Just Muhammad Ali, sir.
326
00:20:11,743 --> 00:20:13,870
When you appeared before
this commission before...
327
00:20:13,979 --> 00:20:18,040
if I recall correctly, you said you were
the "people's champion."
328
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:19,139
Yes, sir.
329
00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:21,583
Do you think that you're
acting like a people's champion?
330
00:20:21,687 --> 00:20:22,881
Yes, sir.
331
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:27,658
Ali was the W.B.C. Champion.
332
00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:29,659
There was also another champion around...
333
00:20:29,761 --> 00:20:32,457
Ernie Terrell... W.B.A. Champion.
World Boxing Association champion.
334
00:20:33,098 --> 00:20:35,430
Hey, man, I got a title.
335
00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:37,627
All I wanted to do now...
336
00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:40,330
I just wanted to go
and get the one that Ali had...
337
00:20:40,439 --> 00:20:43,067
and would pile it on top of this one.
338
00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:45,439
Ali-Terrell, uniting the titles.
339
00:20:45,544 --> 00:20:48,240
Muhammad Ali,
the World Boxing Council champion...
340
00:20:48,347 --> 00:20:51,612
and Terrell,
the World Boxing Association champion.
341
00:20:51,717 --> 00:20:56,518
It was originally scheduled for a showdown
in Rutherford, New Jersey...
342
00:20:56,622 --> 00:20:59,648
but there was so much heat
exerted by the war veterans...
343
00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:02,852
that they literally pushed the fight out
of the United States into Canada...
344
00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:04,826
because they were upset
with Ali's stance on Vietnam.
345
00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:09,162
I think I had a $250,000 guarantee.
346
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:12,362
Some guy said that,
"There ain't gonna be no guarantees."
347
00:21:12,471 --> 00:21:15,770
Well, when he said that,
I pulled out of the fight with Ali...
348
00:21:15,874 --> 00:21:17,899
and he fought Chuvalo.
349
00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:20,308
The real reason Ernie Terrell
pulled out of the fight...
350
00:21:20,412 --> 00:21:22,812
Because his manager got beaten up.
351
00:21:22,914 --> 00:21:25,041
His manager of record
was Bernie Glickman.
352
00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:27,050
His real manager was Tony Accardo...
353
00:21:27,152 --> 00:21:30,019
a mob boss from Chicago
with links to Frankie Carbo...
354
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,386
and the front man for him
was Bernie Glickman.
355
00:21:32,491 --> 00:21:35,551
I was a kid then.
That's the way I look at that.
356
00:21:35,661 --> 00:21:38,528
And I didn't know who was
a mobster and who wasn't...
357
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:40,530
to tell you the truth about it.
358
00:21:40,632 --> 00:21:43,863
Bernie Glickman went to see Herbert
Muhammad, Muhammad Ali's manager...
359
00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:45,698
I think he posed the threat...
360
00:21:45,804 --> 00:21:49,137
"Herbert, if Ali wins the fight...
361
00:21:49,241 --> 00:21:51,505
you're gonna end up
in a cement box in Lake Michigan."
362
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:53,976
All Herbert Muhammad had to do was...
363
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,809
And his henchmen would come over.
364
00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:58,644
And they beat the hell
out of Bernie Glickman.
365
00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:01,742
He went to the hospital,
beaten within an inch of his life.
366
00:22:01,853 --> 00:22:04,754
From the hospital
he went directly to the loony bin...
367
00:22:04,856 --> 00:22:06,915
to the mental institution,
where he eventually lost his life.
368
00:22:07,025 --> 00:22:08,652
He never saw the light of day again.
369
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,422
That's why I got the fight
with Muhammad Ali.
370
00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:16,027
Never been treated so nice in my life.
371
00:22:16,134 --> 00:22:18,159
I haven't had no people makin' wisecracks.
372
00:22:18,270 --> 00:22:21,262
Everybody's friendly...
the children, the waitresses...
373
00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:23,341
the hotel managers, the policemen...
374
00:22:23,442 --> 00:22:25,342
Everybody's as nice as they can be...
375
00:22:25,444 --> 00:22:27,742
and it's a lot different
from where I come from.
376
00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:30,406
I came from a poor neighborhood.
377
00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:32,915
You know,
just a working-class neighborhood.
378
00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:35,543
Most fighters come
from disadvantaged groups.
379
00:22:35,654 --> 00:22:37,554
Hard to find a rich kid to be a fighter.
380
00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:39,851
I mean, you got a punch to the nose,
a bleeding nose...
381
00:22:39,958 --> 00:22:43,394
The guy says to himself, "I don't want
to make a living doing this stuff."
382
00:22:43,495 --> 00:22:46,760
My mother and father were Croatians.
383
00:22:46,865 --> 00:22:49,299
My father went to school two years.
384
00:22:49,401 --> 00:22:51,528
He was eight years old,
working tobacco fields.
385
00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,968
My mother didn't have any formal schooling.
386
00:22:54,072 --> 00:22:57,872
My mother used to pluck chickens
for half a cent a bird.
387
00:22:57,976 --> 00:23:02,675
She'd pluck 200 chickens
to make one dollar.
388
00:23:02,781 --> 00:23:05,648
And my father skinned cattle...
389
00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:07,878
before they had machines
to tear off the hide.
390
00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:11,114
He used to do it
with a broken arm.
391
00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:14,057
My father was so paranoid
about losing his job.
392
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:17,424
He would vacation
every year for two weeks...
393
00:23:17,529 --> 00:23:20,191
but during that vacation,
he would go to work...
394
00:23:20,298 --> 00:23:23,233
and watch, not one man,
but two men do his job.
395
00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:27,066
I mean, for 40 years, with this huge elbow
jutting out of his arm.
396
00:23:27,172 --> 00:23:29,436
Broken arm doing the work of two men.
397
00:23:29,541 --> 00:23:31,441
He never complained about Canada ever.
398
00:23:31,543 --> 00:23:34,671
He would just say,
"Canada's a good country. It gave me a job."
399
00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:38,614
I remember going over to Morgan's Cigar
Store, which is like a variety store...
400
00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:40,617
and they had a magazine rack,
and on the rack...
401
00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:42,619
was a magazine called The Ring.
402
00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:44,916
Called itself "the Bible of boxing,"
as it does today.
403
00:23:45,023 --> 00:23:46,923
And I saw these guys
with muscles on the cover.
404
00:23:47,025 --> 00:23:49,050
Open to the pages, more guys with muscles.
405
00:23:49,161 --> 00:23:51,129
I said, "Man, this is for me."
I went home.
406
00:23:51,229 --> 00:23:53,493
"Ma! Ma! Get me a set of boxing gloves.
I wanna be a fighter."
407
00:24:05,677 --> 00:24:07,008
The way this fight figured...
408
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,012
Everyone thought that Clay
would come out...
409
00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:12,606
and dance around,
just as he's doing right now.
410
00:24:12,717 --> 00:24:15,618
When I fought Ali,
I realized very quickly...
411
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,654
that he was the quickest guy I ever fought.
412
00:24:17,756 --> 00:24:19,815
He wasn't a big puncher,
but he was very, very quick.
413
00:24:19,925 --> 00:24:22,223
Very, very fast on his feet,
and his punches were lightening quick.
414
00:24:22,327 --> 00:24:26,354
The plan was to go to the body.
Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
415
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:28,490
Down to the kidneys.
Over the kidneys. Steppin' over here.
416
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,058
And I would rake him to the body,
and the idea was to slow him down.
417
00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:35,071
I thought maybe he'd be pretty tired
and I had a shot to knock him out.
418
00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:39,535
In the first round
Ali tried to con me into something.
419
00:24:39,644 --> 00:24:41,805
He put his hand behind my head,
pulled me close...
420
00:24:41,913 --> 00:24:43,904
and then kind of dared me
to hit him in the body.
421
00:24:44,015 --> 00:24:46,711
And he tried to make it look like...
422
00:24:46,818 --> 00:24:49,343
he was a real brave guy,
he was a real tough guy...
423
00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:51,649
but he only did it once.
424
00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:03,267
And Cassius Clay...
425
00:25:03,368 --> 00:25:05,632
wins a hard-fought,
action-packed championship fight.
426
00:25:05,737 --> 00:25:08,331
In the newspapers they made it
sound like it was an easy fight.
427
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,739
It was far from an easy fight.
It was a tough fight.
428
00:25:11,843 --> 00:25:15,574
They didn't expect Ali to say that was
the toughest fight he had up to that time.
429
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,410
You know, they didn't expect him
to say that, but he did.
430
00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,179
And he went to the hospital
after the fight with bleeding kidneys.
431
00:25:21,286 --> 00:25:23,584
And me... I went dancing with my wife.
432
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,930
The wife and I had five children...
four sons and a daughter.
433
00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:37,331
And I lost three sons, and I lost my wife.
434
00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:41,668
I lost my three sons to drugs.
435
00:25:41,773 --> 00:25:44,367
I lost my wife to suicide
after the loss of our second son.
436
00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:48,742
One son shot himself.
Two others died of heroin overdose.
437
00:25:48,847 --> 00:25:51,441
And my wife died, ironically, from pills...
438
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,280
that she'd taken from my sons
in a previous drugstore heist.
439
00:25:56,922 --> 00:26:00,414
The hold that drugs
have on a person is unbelievable.
440
00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:03,619
I was told by one of my sons...
441
00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:06,822
that drugs had such
a strong hold on him...
442
00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:11,801
that when he and his brother
would go down to use...
443
00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:14,531
they would ask the dealer
at the bar if he had...
444
00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:18,837
and the dealer would show him the white
stuff in the palm of his hand... the heroin.
445
00:26:18,944 --> 00:26:22,004
And when they would see
the smack in the dealer's hands...
446
00:26:22,113 --> 00:26:24,980
my sons would be so desperate for it...
447
00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:27,574
that as soon as they would see it...
448
00:26:27,686 --> 00:26:30,177
within the flash of one single second...
449
00:26:30,288 --> 00:26:33,121
the very first single second...
both of my sons, on cue...
450
00:26:33,224 --> 00:26:35,124
would crap their drawers.
451
00:26:35,226 --> 00:26:37,353
Crap their drawers,
soon as they see the drug.
452
00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:40,192
Then they would pay for the drug.
453
00:26:40,298 --> 00:26:44,462
Then they would take the drug into the
bathroom of the hotel where they were...
454
00:26:44,569 --> 00:26:46,469
and...
455
00:26:48,406 --> 00:26:49,998
they would...
456
00:26:51,977 --> 00:26:54,639
Then they would suck it up in a syringe...
457
00:26:54,746 --> 00:26:57,044
and they would shoot it
into a waiting vein.
458
00:26:57,148 --> 00:27:01,608
And only then would my handsome sons
clean themselves off.
459
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,656
Every time I tell that story
I get sick to my stomach.
460
00:27:07,692 --> 00:27:10,957
When my son died, four days later,
my wife took her life.
461
00:27:12,397 --> 00:27:14,490
That was such a bleak period.
462
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,625
I was in bed for a month and a half.
463
00:27:17,736 --> 00:27:19,670
I don't even remember going
to the bathroom during that period.
464
00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,671
I must have, but I don't remember.
465
00:27:21,773 --> 00:27:25,300
But I do remember my son
Mitchell coming to visit me.
466
00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:28,106
My son Steven was alive at the time.
467
00:27:28,213 --> 00:27:31,410
My daughter Vanessa.
My daughter-in-law Jackie.
468
00:27:31,516 --> 00:27:36,453
My only grandchildren at the time, Jesse
and Rachel, who are Steven's children.
469
00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:38,112
And some of my friends coming over...
470
00:27:38,223 --> 00:27:41,215
hugging me and kissing me and telling me
they loved me each and every day.
471
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:45,558
Every day. And I remember
articulating to myself...
472
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:48,792
after a few weeks,
how love made you feel.
473
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,027
I said love makes you feel strong.
474
00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:54,833
Love makes you feel tender.
Love makes you feel secure.
475
00:27:54,939 --> 00:27:58,238
Love makes you feel appreciated.
Love makes you feel important.
476
00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:02,905
I think we all have to feel strong, tender,
secure, appreciated, important.
477
00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:04,845
I think we all have to feel like that.
478
00:28:15,326 --> 00:28:18,318
I'd like to do a song for you that I done...
479
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:21,866
two days before I fought Muhammad Ali,
on The Jack Benny Shoq.
480
00:28:21,966 --> 00:28:24,696
It's a strange song.
Muhammad didn't like it too well.
481
00:28:24,803 --> 00:28:26,703
But I'd like to do it for you.
482
00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:29,706
From Hollywood...
483
00:28:37,182 --> 00:28:39,480
Won't you come home
dear Cassius
484
00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:42,109
Won't you come home
485
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,246
I've trained the whole year through
486
00:28:47,258 --> 00:28:49,658
Are you afraid, Muhammad
487
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:52,059
Are you afraid
488
00:28:52,163 --> 00:28:54,529
Of what I'll do to you
489
00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:57,863
- Why don't you call me my name, man?
- Well, what's your name?
490
00:28:57,969 --> 00:29:00,369
You told me your name
was Cassius Clay a few years ago.
491
00:29:00,472 --> 00:29:02,497
I never told you my name
was Cassius Clay.
492
00:29:02,607 --> 00:29:04,507
My name is Muhammad Ali...
493
00:29:04,609 --> 00:29:07,373
and you will announce it
right there in the center of that ring...
494
00:29:07,479 --> 00:29:09,504
after the fight if you don't do it now.
495
00:29:09,614 --> 00:29:13,641
When you're gonna fight, you don't go
and try to make friends with the guy...
496
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:15,652
'cause you're gonna fight him.
497
00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:17,016
- You heard me.
- Don't call me no Uncle Tom.
498
00:29:17,122 --> 00:29:19,022
- Just back off of me.
- And so, ladies and gentlemen...
499
00:29:19,124 --> 00:29:20,591
Uncle Tom.
500
00:29:20,692 --> 00:29:22,785
Until he touched me, I was all right.
501
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:26,921
But he pushed me,
and that's when we started wrestling.
502
00:29:27,031 --> 00:29:30,626
Another interview
has been recorded for posterity...
503
00:29:30,735 --> 00:29:33,499
as the two gentlemen
continue to promote the fight.
504
00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:46,908
As you know, I have a question
to ask him on the day of the weigh-in...
505
00:29:47,018 --> 00:29:49,316
and his answer will determine
how bad I'm gonna beat him.
506
00:29:52,524 --> 00:29:54,958
I knew Ali was fast,
so what I was gonna do...
507
00:29:55,059 --> 00:29:57,459
I had a jab. I'm pretty good at it myself.
508
00:29:57,562 --> 00:30:01,623
I was gonna throw the jab out there
and beat him to the punch.
509
00:30:01,733 --> 00:30:05,396
Ernie Terrell, pressing the champion,
sending in stinging punches.
510
00:30:05,503 --> 00:30:07,664
The first round was okay.
511
00:30:07,772 --> 00:30:10,206
I felt like I fought pretty good then.
512
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:14,404
But then what happened is,
he grabbed me around the neck...
513
00:30:14,512 --> 00:30:16,412
and pulled me over to the rope.
514
00:30:16,514 --> 00:30:20,348
Then he started pokin' me in the eye
like this right here.
515
00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:22,476
He was pokin' me in my face
with this thumb...
516
00:30:22,587 --> 00:30:24,487
and his thumb hit me in the eye...
517
00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:27,717
and then he rubbed across the face
with the heel of his hand.
518
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:31,091
Well, he said he didn't do it,
but you know how that is.
519
00:30:32,797 --> 00:30:36,324
None of my professional fights
have been one thing dirty.
520
00:30:36,434 --> 00:30:38,334
Terrell is known for being a dirty fighter.
521
00:30:38,436 --> 00:30:40,597
He's got a record for being a dirty fighter.
522
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:43,868
When I got my eye damaged...
523
00:30:43,975 --> 00:30:47,103
it just messed up
my whole style of fighting.
524
00:30:47,212 --> 00:30:49,112
So what I had to do then...
525
00:30:49,214 --> 00:30:51,910
was come out with
a peek-a-boo style, like...
526
00:30:52,016 --> 00:30:54,075
Just to stop the punches.
527
00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:56,551
And that's the way
I fought the rest of the fight.
528
00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:06,428
If you was a black boy
growing up in Mississippi...
529
00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:08,863
stayed in your place.
530
00:31:08,967 --> 00:31:12,596
If you stayed in your place,
you would have got along with all of 'em.
531
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:15,537
And when you crossed that line...
532
00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:20,268
You know, trouble.
It was just really rough.
533
00:31:22,647 --> 00:31:24,615
Joe Louis was a black man.
534
00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:27,116
In fact, I was shocked
to find out that he was.
535
00:31:27,218 --> 00:31:29,812
And all of the neighbors and everybody...
536
00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:31,479
They would work real hard, fast...
537
00:31:31,589 --> 00:31:34,319
"I wanna see Joe Louis.
I wanna hear Joe Louis over the radio."
538
00:31:34,425 --> 00:31:36,484
You know, really rejoicing.
539
00:31:36,594 --> 00:31:42,123
And I just thought that anybody
that had that kind of impact was great.
540
00:31:43,701 --> 00:31:47,603
And when we moved to Chicago,
I saw one of the gyms.
541
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,574
It was on the fifth floor
of this building...
542
00:31:50,675 --> 00:31:53,542
that I first put on boxing gloves.
543
00:31:54,612 --> 00:31:57,080
Rocky Marciano trained there.
544
00:31:57,181 --> 00:32:00,275
Jersey Joe Walcott trained there.
545
00:32:00,385 --> 00:32:04,151
So as a kid, and I would go home and watch
'em on television when they fought...
546
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,019
and it was definitely
an inspiration to me...
547
00:32:07,125 --> 00:32:09,685
to come out here and do it myself,
and that's what I did.
548
00:32:12,096 --> 00:32:15,998
What's my name? What's my name?
What's my name?
549
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,830
Most of the time when he said,
"What's my name?"
550
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,768
That didn't bother me.
551
00:32:20,872 --> 00:32:23,841
But gets to your patience.
552
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,172
- What's my name?
- I noticed his hand was down...
553
00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:28,302
So I was gonna try myself to get one in...
554
00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:30,438
but he was out of punching range.
555
00:32:31,749 --> 00:32:34,183
And there's the end of the fight.
556
00:32:34,285 --> 00:32:38,847
A brilliant boxing exhibition
by champion Muhammad Ali...
557
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:40,322
What is his name?
558
00:32:40,425 --> 00:32:43,986
His name is Cassius Clay,
far as I'm concerned.
559
00:32:44,095 --> 00:32:48,828
When the fight was over, the only thing
I wanted from Ali was a return bout.
560
00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:52,960
All the other stuff...
What do they talk about? That wasn't me.
561
00:32:53,071 --> 00:32:55,562
I just wanted to get a return bout
because I thought...
562
00:32:55,673 --> 00:32:58,164
the one I fought in was flawed...
563
00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:02,804
and I wanted the real,
true chance to beat him.
564
00:33:04,582 --> 00:33:06,812
You took a powder, Cassius
565
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:08,510
One day in March
566
00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:13,556
To London and Toronto too
567
00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:16,422
Ain't it a shame
568
00:33:16,527 --> 00:33:19,018
You changed your name
569
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:22,122
I'll change your features too
570
00:33:23,201 --> 00:33:27,535
I'll change your features too
571
00:33:32,977 --> 00:33:36,572
Heavyweight champion Cassius Clay,
at a federal court in Houston...
572
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:40,014
is found guilty of violating
the U.S. Selective Service laws...
573
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:41,779
by refusing to be inducted.
574
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,808
Whatever the punishment,
whatever the persecution is...
575
00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:11,677
for standing up for my religious beliefs...
576
00:34:11,783 --> 00:34:14,479
even if it means facing
machine-gun fire that day...
577
00:34:14,585 --> 00:34:16,917
I will face it before denouncing...
578
00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:20,616
Elijah Muhammad and the religion of Islam.
I'm ready to die.
579
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:24,320
I mean, it was a gutsy thing to do,
but it didn't do him any good.
580
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:26,989
I mean, he had to have what?
Three years out of boxing?
581
00:34:27,098 --> 00:34:30,431
And they would have been
some of his better years.
582
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,970
My brother Michael died in Vietnam.
583
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:37,268
They let me come home to the funeral.
I was in prison.
584
00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:40,811
And I watched my mother. You know?
585
00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:43,608
And when we buried him,
a part of her went with him.
586
00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:46,615
You know? So, yeah.
587
00:34:46,717 --> 00:34:48,742
I can identify with Ali when he said...
588
00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:51,583
"It's not my fight, man.
My fight is right here, man."
589
00:34:51,689 --> 00:34:54,487
My intention is to box,
to win a clean fight.
590
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:58,858
But in war, the intention
is to kill, kill, kill, kill...
591
00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:01,659
and continue killing innocent people.
592
00:35:01,766 --> 00:35:03,290
'68 was a wonderful time for me.
593
00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:06,768
I had been rescued
from the gutter in Houston, Texas.
594
00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:09,032
My life was nothin'
but a thief and a bandit and a mugger.
595
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:13,338
If someone would come up and talk politics
to me, didn't ring a bell to me.
596
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,572
And then having a chance
to represent my country in Mexico City...
597
00:35:16,681 --> 00:35:18,649
and I'm standing
in the middle of that ring...
598
00:35:18,749 --> 00:35:21,547
just won my Olympic gold medal,
people started applauding...
599
00:35:21,652 --> 00:35:24,382
I said, "I gotta let them know where
I'm from. Hey, look, I'm from America."
600
00:35:24,489 --> 00:35:26,389
So I waved the flag.
601
00:35:26,491 --> 00:35:29,619
I got home,
and some people took offense to it.
602
00:35:29,727 --> 00:35:33,686
"How could you do that? How could you
do that when the brothers were doing that?"
603
00:35:33,798 --> 00:35:36,892
And looking back in hindsight,
put another chip on my shoulder...
604
00:35:37,001 --> 00:35:39,970
'cause I dared anyone to even
bring that up again in that fashion.
605
00:35:40,071 --> 00:35:43,040
So it just made a tougher guy out of me.
606
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,041
With Ali, it was principles, you know...
607
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:49,307
and I think that if he had his choice
to make over again...
608
00:35:49,413 --> 00:35:52,541
knowing Ali,
he would make the same one.
609
00:35:53,684 --> 00:35:56,244
The heavyweight championship is at stake...
610
00:35:56,354 --> 00:35:58,515
as champion Joe Frazier...
611
00:35:58,623 --> 00:36:00,056
takes on Jimmy Ellis.
612
00:36:05,496 --> 00:36:09,330
Joe Frazier becomes the undisputed
heavyweight champion of the world...
613
00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:41,388
I ain't botherin' him. Don't he bother me.
614
00:36:41,499 --> 00:36:44,024
I don't pity on nobody
when I climb through the ring.
615
00:36:44,135 --> 00:36:46,103
I go out there to take him out.
616
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,104
These boxing authorities...
617
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:50,265
people who will rate Joe Frazier
over me...
618
00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:53,172
and rank him the champion
when I've never been beat...
619
00:36:53,277 --> 00:36:56,041
And for Joe Frazier to be a champion,
he's gotta beat me.
620
00:36:56,147 --> 00:36:58,581
See, those eliminations
were only imitations.
621
00:36:58,683 --> 00:37:00,651
He's not the real champion, and I will...
622
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,572
After a three-and-a-half year layoff
he fought Jerry Quarry.
623
00:37:32,683 --> 00:37:34,173
Then he fought Oscar Bonavena.
624
00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:37,186
Even when they let him come back...
625
00:37:37,288 --> 00:37:41,349
he was still a stride ahead
of the pack...
626
00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:46,791
but that's where
they started reachin' him.
627
00:37:46,897 --> 00:37:49,832
That's where they started touching him.
That's where they started hitting him.
628
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,925
Before then, they wasn't
even putting a glove on him.
629
00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:55,104
If he goes down again... It's over!
630
00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:57,106
I prove 'em wrong every time.
631
00:37:57,208 --> 00:38:00,143
They said I couldn't come back.
No fighter has ever come back.
632
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:03,680
They look real bad when they make these
public statements and can't back 'em up.
633
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:05,476
It's bad to predict against me.
634
00:38:05,583 --> 00:38:10,316
All I say to all of my fans out there, and
anybody who's been following me...
635
00:38:10,421 --> 00:38:12,480
I don't encourage nobody to bet...
636
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:16,526
but please don't put nothin'
on Joe Frazier.
637
00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:21,189
The heavyweight champion
of the world, Joe Frazier.
638
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:24,530
You couldn't get Joe Frazier on this show...
"How do you feel, Champ?"
639
00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:47,214
He has no rhythm, no footwork, no class.
640
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,418
He cannot talk.
641
00:38:50,561 --> 00:38:53,894
And who told him he could sing?
He can't sing.
642
00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:07,174
Well, he came from
a very, very humble background.
643
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:09,576
I don't care. He's the other type Negro.
644
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,513
He's not like me,
'cause he's the Uncle Tom.
645
00:39:12,616 --> 00:39:13,947
He's not an Uncle Tom.
646
00:39:14,051 --> 00:39:16,042
Why did he insist
on calling me Cassius Clay...
647
00:39:16,153 --> 00:39:18,348
when even the worst of the white enemies
recognize Muhammad Ali?
648
00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:20,481
He keeps saying Clay. "He's still Clay.
649
00:39:20,591 --> 00:39:22,957
He gonna stay Clay,
and to me he'll always be Clay."
650
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:27,053
Joe Frazier told me,
"This guy keep callin' me an Uncle Tom."
651
00:39:27,164 --> 00:39:30,395
And he said, "I don't want my wife thinkin'
that I'm peepin' in windows."
652
00:39:30,501 --> 00:39:32,765
He actually thought
he was calling him a peeping Tom.
653
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:34,770
He didn't know what
an Uncle Tom was.
654
00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:38,103
Joe couldn't come back
with him verbally. He couldn't...
655
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,336
You know, he wasn't a match
for Ali that way...
656
00:39:40,444 --> 00:39:42,708
so he had to prove it with his fists.
657
00:40:09,907 --> 00:40:13,240
In 1971, that was truly
the fight of the century.
658
00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:15,744
Hadn't been a fight like that,
with that much magnitude...
659
00:40:15,846 --> 00:40:18,406
that much interest,
in the history of boxing.
660
00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:21,883
The first fight had all this suspense...
661
00:40:21,986 --> 00:40:25,080
About Ali coming back after his layoff,
and they were both undefeated.
662
00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:28,158
It was a hell of a buildup.
It was a hell of a fight.
663
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,956
Muhammad Ali entering the ring there...
664
00:40:32,062 --> 00:40:35,122
with his Black Muslim
entourage behind him.
665
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:56,978
Joe Frazier had
all the fighters' respect in the top 10.
666
00:40:57,087 --> 00:40:59,317
But anybody that ever saw him fight...
667
00:40:59,423 --> 00:41:01,323
and understand the game of boxing...
668
00:41:01,425 --> 00:41:03,723
will tip their hat to Mr. Frazier.
669
00:41:03,828 --> 00:41:05,455
...in the red trunks.
670
00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,997
Joe Frazier in the green trunks.
671
00:41:08,098 --> 00:41:09,963
They appear very light.
672
00:41:10,067 --> 00:41:12,695
That was a hard left hook
that caught Frazier.
673
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:14,703
He knows that.
674
00:41:14,805 --> 00:41:18,468
Ali wasn't the same guy
that I had fought in '66.
675
00:41:18,576 --> 00:41:21,704
In '66 he was quicker
and he had more stamina.
676
00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:25,213
He could throw punches at length
for a longer period of time.
677
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,228
Joe Frazier was a tough pit bull.
678
00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:48,772
A little dog, man. Trust me.
Joe Frazier could fight, dog.
679
00:41:48,873 --> 00:41:50,841
Joe Frazier was relentless.
680
00:41:50,941 --> 00:41:54,741
His biggest asset was his constant punching
and the intensity of his attack.
681
00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:58,076
He never... It was punch after punch
after punch after punch.
682
00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:02,084
The round is over. The round is over.
683
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:03,881
What a round.
684
00:42:04,922 --> 00:42:08,050
Muhammad Ali was really out that time.
685
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,797
Ali's best punch... the jab.
686
00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:34,776
Left and rights to the body.
687
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:48,651
I'm sittin' three rows ringside.
I'm lookin' at him.
688
00:43:48,759 --> 00:43:51,284
When he hit the canvas,
his eyes was like that...
689
00:43:51,395 --> 00:43:53,989
but when he hit the canvas... boom.
690
00:43:54,098 --> 00:43:56,191
His back didn't even stay. Just boom...
691
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:58,200
He just come right back up
and stood up...
692
00:43:58,302 --> 00:43:59,997
and looked at him like that.
693
00:44:00,104 --> 00:44:01,969
I said, "Okay."
694
00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:05,633
As a fighter,
when you see that in a fighter...
695
00:44:05,743 --> 00:44:08,007
that's respect.
696
00:44:08,112 --> 00:44:11,013
I think Muhammad Ali,
if he had it all to do over again...
697
00:44:11,115 --> 00:44:14,346
he would have just been nice to Frazier,
and won on points.
698
00:44:14,451 --> 00:44:18,649
Frazier just couldn't lose. He was prepared
to die in that ring that night.
699
00:44:18,756 --> 00:44:22,692
And Joe always felt kind of betrayed
by his own people, I think...
700
00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,887
because most black people were rooting
for Muhammad Ali against Joe Frazier...
701
00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:30,228
and Joe Frazier felt more like
the average black guy from the ghetto.
702
00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:33,792
He was blacker than Ali.
He was poorer than Ali.
703
00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:35,997
He had a tougher upbringing than Ali.
704
00:44:36,106 --> 00:44:38,904
Joe Frazier brought the best out of Ali.
705
00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:41,068
Ali brought the best out of Joe Frazier.
706
00:44:41,178 --> 00:44:45,740
It took two to keep our sport
at the head of the pack.
707
00:44:47,117 --> 00:44:49,551
There it is. The round is over.
708
00:44:49,653 --> 00:44:53,714
The winner by unanimous decision...
709
00:44:53,824 --> 00:44:57,453
and still heavyweight champion
of the world...
710
00:44:57,561 --> 00:44:59,461
Joe Frazier.
711
00:45:13,243 --> 00:45:16,974
Even now, if you talk
about Ali to him, Joe will say...
712
00:45:17,081 --> 00:45:19,914
"God's punishing Ali
because of all the things he's done."
713
00:45:20,017 --> 00:45:22,008
And you couldn't win with Ali.
714
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:25,247
When it come down to you talking
and him talking...
715
00:45:25,355 --> 00:45:27,323
everybody gonna be on his side.
716
00:45:27,424 --> 00:45:29,654
Joe couldn't take that.
717
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,660
And I don't blame him.
718
00:45:31,762 --> 00:45:33,662
I've raised 10 kids...
719
00:45:33,764 --> 00:45:37,461
and there's always one child
who can take a joke, and another who can't.
720
00:45:37,568 --> 00:45:39,468
Muhammad could say something...
721
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:42,937
and just tick Frazier off,
and Muhammad would be smilin' about it.
722
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:09,995
Walk right.
723
00:47:14,865 --> 00:47:18,926
Ali, who it seems to me
has taken Kenny Norton more lightly...
724
00:47:19,036 --> 00:47:20,833
in the pre-fight buildup here...
725
00:47:20,938 --> 00:47:24,203
than any opponent
I have known him to fight.
726
00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:14,486
Either Kenny Norton
is a much better fighter...
727
00:48:14,591 --> 00:48:16,559
than anybody thought...
728
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:19,094
or Muhammad Ali
has gone back a lot more...
729
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:21,621
than one could have
reasonably believed.
730
00:49:46,783 --> 00:49:48,978
The final round... round 12.
731
00:49:51,288 --> 00:49:55,884
Good right!
And that right hurt Muhammad Ali.
732
00:50:12,142 --> 00:50:15,373
He knew his jaw was hurting,
but he didn't know it was broken.
733
00:50:15,479 --> 00:50:19,176
So he gonna keep right on going.
And that's the man that comes out of him.
734
00:50:20,617 --> 00:50:22,915
Everybody know I wasn't
in shape for the Norton fight.
735
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,818
I was at a nightclub with Howard Cosell
out all night before the fight.
736
00:50:25,922 --> 00:50:28,356
The press even wrote about
how I wasn't living clean.
737
00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:31,689
Muhammad Ali... Norton could
beat him on any given night.
738
00:50:31,795 --> 00:50:34,730
I don't think he's ever beaten
Kenny Norton to be honest with you.
739
00:50:34,831 --> 00:50:36,662
Ladies and gentlemen...
740
00:50:36,767 --> 00:50:40,294
the referee, Frank Rustage...
741
00:50:40,404 --> 00:50:43,066
Seven points, Norton. Five points, Ali.
742
00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:48,634
There it is! One of the greatest upsets
again in boxing history!
743
00:52:01,718 --> 00:52:04,209
I was afraid of Joe Frazier because
you can't hurt him, I thought.
744
00:52:04,321 --> 00:52:08,451
I seen him beat Muhammad Ali
and rest his head on his chest.
745
00:52:08,558 --> 00:52:12,187
I said, "No one does that!
He conquered the man in that first fight."
746
00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:14,354
But I'm number one contender.
I had to face him.
747
00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:19,299
When George Foreman hits you, it's like a
Mack truck hitting you at 40 miles an hour.
748
00:52:19,402 --> 00:52:24,430
And when Joe Frazier hits you, it's like a
Pontiac hitting you at 100 miles an hour.
749
00:52:24,541 --> 00:52:26,839
There's a different feel to it, you know.
750
00:52:26,943 --> 00:52:28,706
But they both hurt.
751
00:52:28,812 --> 00:52:32,646
Frazier has never taken
this kind of punishment.
752
00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:40,248
Frazier's down again!
753
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,862
Frazier is being battered
in Foreman's corner.
754
00:52:52,969 --> 00:52:56,496
Joe's about to go down
and does! And it's over!
755
00:52:56,606 --> 00:52:59,575
Once a guy climbed one
of those Mount Everest...
756
00:52:59,676 --> 00:53:01,735
he's conquered everything.
757
00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:05,144
It's the easiest time in the world
to push him down...
758
00:53:05,248 --> 00:53:07,478
'cause he's already made it to the top.
759
00:53:07,584 --> 00:53:11,577
After he beat Muhammad Ali,
there was not that much left of Joe Frazier.
760
00:53:11,688 --> 00:53:15,522
I tell you, if I'd fought him two years
earlier, it wouldn't have been like that.
761
00:53:23,867 --> 00:53:27,303
Once I became heavyweight champ
of the world, and the way I'd done it...
762
00:53:27,404 --> 00:53:30,532
looking at the film, and people
telling me I'm the best fighter ever.
763
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,973
"Never been a puncher like you, George."
All those pats on the back, compliments...
764
00:53:34,077 --> 00:53:36,443
I started to eat them, really.
765
00:53:37,948 --> 00:53:41,315
I faced Kenny Norton who had
even beaten and broken Ali's jaw.
766
00:53:41,418 --> 00:53:43,318
And beat him twice, if you ask me.
767
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:45,650
Frazier... Creamed him,
knocked him down.
768
00:53:45,755 --> 00:53:47,985
So I figured,
I'm gonna fight Muhammad Ali.
769
00:53:48,091 --> 00:53:50,719
He's the least of all those guys.
He's older.
770
00:53:50,827 --> 00:53:53,625
This is gonna be the easiest fight
of my life. I wasn't even nervous.
771
00:53:55,565 --> 00:53:59,296
I had to trick him into this fight. I had to
make the world think my legs were gone.
772
00:53:59,402 --> 00:54:03,099
"He can't dance no more. Previous fights
show where he stands in the corner."
773
00:54:03,206 --> 00:54:05,197
I did that on purpose, man!
774
00:54:07,244 --> 00:54:10,111
Can I dance? Is the pope a Catholic?
775
00:54:13,216 --> 00:54:14,843
Is you colored?
776
00:54:16,653 --> 00:54:20,783
Just like I thought Sonny Liston
was gonna rip Muhammad Ali apart...
777
00:54:20,890 --> 00:54:22,653
I thought George would do the same thing.
778
00:54:22,759 --> 00:54:26,354
I figured, I'm just gonna walk in and win
this fight in maybe one, two, three rounds.
779
00:54:26,463 --> 00:54:29,694
Knock him out. The most confident
I'd ever been in a boxing match.
780
00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:44,505
Ali, bomayel
Ali, bomayel Ali, bomayel
781
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:53,983
I'm happy because, for the first time
I don't have butterflies, I'm not nervous.
782
00:54:54,090 --> 00:54:56,524
This is what I always wanted from boxing.
783
00:54:56,626 --> 00:54:59,959
The bell rang. He comes out,
lands a few shots.
784
00:55:00,063 --> 00:55:01,963
I land a good one. He tries to run.
785
00:55:02,065 --> 00:55:04,158
I corner him up, beat him
whenever I wanted to.
786
00:55:04,267 --> 00:55:08,226
I thought, this is gonna really be easy.
If I can only get him into an exchange.
787
00:55:08,338 --> 00:55:11,637
Then after I'd beaten him up
really good in the side.
788
00:55:11,741 --> 00:55:15,370
And I said, "Come on."
He said, "No way!" and covered up.
789
00:55:15,478 --> 00:55:17,742
And I remember
I went whalin' and whalin'.
790
00:55:41,371 --> 00:55:43,566
I thought I was gonna get him,
and that bell rung.
791
00:55:43,673 --> 00:55:45,368
It must've been about
the third or fourth round.
792
00:55:45,475 --> 00:55:47,943
He looked at me as if to say,
"I made it."
793
00:55:48,044 --> 00:55:50,171
From then on, it was a different fight.
794
00:55:51,247 --> 00:55:54,774
You could tell Foreman was,
like, frustrated.
795
00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:57,352
The worst thing punchers can do...
796
00:55:57,454 --> 00:55:59,547
is sling their big punches and hit thin air.
797
00:56:00,857 --> 00:56:04,418
I tried to get him. I tried to corner him.
I tried every shot in the world.
798
00:56:04,527 --> 00:56:07,052
But he took it. And he started whispering,
"Is that all you got, George?
799
00:56:07,163 --> 00:56:09,461
That all you got?"
Then I really tried to get him.
800
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,191
Look at Ali.
Continues to taunt George.
801
00:56:13,303 --> 00:56:16,534
Definitely serious. Tremendous
combination by Muhammad Ali.
802
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,871
Ali played a trick that got into his head.
803
00:56:20,977 --> 00:56:24,413
Even when he thought of punching
at his body, Ali was blocking him.
804
00:56:24,514 --> 00:56:28,041
He was like this.
'Cause Foreman was swinging this way.
805
00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:33,220
And when he swang it up top,
he had his hands like this.
806
00:56:33,323 --> 00:56:37,783
And Ali was looking at him,
pulling him to him. "Is that all you got?"
807
00:56:37,894 --> 00:56:39,828
He is definitely head hunting
with his right hand.
808
00:56:39,929 --> 00:56:43,365
Ali could take a good punch,
'cause I used to hit him in the gym.
809
00:56:43,466 --> 00:56:45,491
Another strategy
that he was working on...
810
00:56:45,602 --> 00:56:48,366
I felt that he was gonna do
in the real fight...
811
00:56:48,471 --> 00:56:52,237
that is throw punches, back into
the corner and let him bang him.
812
00:56:53,309 --> 00:56:56,244
By the seventh round, playing
around, dropping his hands.
813
00:56:56,346 --> 00:56:58,837
I said, "I'm gonna get him now
'cause I'm gonna drop my hands."
814
00:56:58,948 --> 00:57:01,815
I heard Angelo scream,
"Muhammad, don't play with that sucker!"
815
00:57:01,918 --> 00:57:05,319
And when I did that, he picked his hands up
and that was the last chance I had.
816
00:57:05,422 --> 00:57:08,653
He backed away from the corner,
and I turned to spin him...
817
00:57:08,758 --> 00:57:10,953
and he hit me with a one-two combination...
left, right, boom!
818
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:15,690
And the right hand caught me. I fell
to the floor, tried to break the fall.
819
00:57:17,066 --> 00:57:19,500
When I was knocked down,
I looked up in the corner...
820
00:57:19,602 --> 00:57:22,366
'cause I was told never listen to
the referee, find your cornerman.
821
00:57:22,472 --> 00:57:25,930
I raised my head up. I found Dick Sadler.
He told me, "Stay down." I'm waiting.
822
00:57:26,042 --> 00:57:29,375
Then he's, "Okay, up!"
'Cause you wait and let him count.
823
00:57:29,479 --> 00:57:32,607
When I jumped up, the fight was over. I was
no longer heavyweight champ of the world.
824
00:57:32,715 --> 00:57:34,546
I was devastated.
825
00:57:34,651 --> 00:57:37,142
Eighth round knockout!
826
00:57:37,253 --> 00:57:41,451
He knocked out George Foreman!
827
00:57:41,558 --> 00:57:43,856
He did it with such guile,
it was so beautiful to watch him.
828
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,019
I thought for sure
he was gonna be annihilated.
829
00:57:46,129 --> 00:57:49,064
And as the fight started to unfold,
you could see what was happening.
830
00:57:49,165 --> 00:57:51,963
Then when it happened, it was like,
"Holy mackerel!" What a Hollywood ending.
831
00:57:52,068 --> 00:57:54,866
Have you seen anything
more Hollywood than that?
832
00:57:56,973 --> 00:57:59,806
Probably the best punch
of the whole fight...
833
00:57:59,909 --> 00:58:01,604
was never landed.
834
00:58:01,711 --> 00:58:05,238
Muhammad Ali, as I was going down,
stumbling, trying to hold myself.
835
00:58:05,348 --> 00:58:08,875
He saw me stumbling.
Ordinarily, you finish a fighter off.
836
00:58:08,985 --> 00:58:12,785
I would have. He got ready to throw
the right hand and he didn't do it.
837
00:58:14,023 --> 00:58:18,323
That's what made him, in my mind,
the greatest fighter I ever fought.
838
00:58:18,428 --> 00:58:20,623
If I remember rightly...
839
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:24,564
George Foreman injured himself
and had to put the fight off.
840
00:58:24,667 --> 00:58:26,862
And he stayed in Africa.
841
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:30,531
Well, I think they got
a few tribes women over there.
842
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,577
He over-enjoyed himself.
So he was never quite the same.
843
00:58:35,678 --> 00:58:39,671
When he got into it with Ali,
Ali just knew he had too much for him.
844
00:58:41,618 --> 00:58:45,554
We were in Deer Lake and he was
getting ready to fight George Foreman.
845
00:58:45,655 --> 00:58:49,113
A lot of women around. And I said,
"Man, you know, you gotta be in shape.
846
00:58:49,225 --> 00:58:51,693
Don't take no chances
with these women."
847
00:58:51,794 --> 00:58:54,285
And that's when he told me,
"Shut the hell up."
848
00:58:54,397 --> 00:58:57,525
He says, "I've been doing this...
You don't know boxing.
849
00:58:57,634 --> 00:59:00,432
I know boxing.
You don't tell me what to do."
850
00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:02,437
And I shut up.
851
00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:04,769
Went on about my business, you know.
852
00:59:04,874 --> 00:59:08,071
Like he said, he knew what
he was doing, and he did.
853
00:59:08,177 --> 00:59:10,407
'Cause he won the fight.
854
00:59:12,148 --> 00:59:15,515
Ali had so many...
so many people around him.
855
00:59:15,618 --> 00:59:18,951
Everybody had a little job to do...
that they could do for him.
856
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:22,582
Howard Bingham,
flash man, camera man.
857
00:59:22,692 --> 00:59:25,388
Booker, he was the security guard.
858
00:59:25,495 --> 00:59:28,987
Lloyd Wells had a few girls come around.
859
00:59:29,098 --> 00:59:31,965
I tell you, man, the women
that came to that camp...
860
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:36,161
He had his pick.
You hear what I'm saying?
861
00:59:36,272 --> 00:59:41,141
This man had his pick
of the most finest women that I ever seen.
862
00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:46,079
And I was thinking,
"Damn! Why can't it be me?"
863
00:59:46,182 --> 00:59:48,116
Ali, bomayel
864
00:59:51,287 --> 00:59:54,552
Muhammad Ali had picked up
something else along the way.
865
00:59:54,657 --> 00:59:57,649
I guess when he had the troubles
with the draft.
866
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,594
Then he'd gone to Africa, and people
believing in him. "You mean so much to us."
867
01:00:01,698 --> 01:00:06,931
He found something to fight for other
than money and championship belts.
868
01:00:07,036 --> 01:00:10,494
And when that person finds something
like that, you can't hardly beat them.
869
01:00:10,607 --> 01:00:13,269
I proved that Allah is god...
870
01:00:13,376 --> 01:00:16,675
Elijah Muhammad is the messenger,
and I have faith in them.
871
01:00:16,779 --> 01:00:18,644
And regardless to the world
and the pressure...
872
01:00:18,748 --> 01:00:22,684
I made it an easy night because
Allah has power over all things.
873
01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:26,619
See, fighting ain't about how big
and how strong you are.
874
01:00:26,723 --> 01:00:29,385
Fighting's about how patient you are.
875
01:00:29,492 --> 01:00:33,223
God had a way of getting
George Foreman's attention.
876
01:00:33,329 --> 01:00:37,561
I told you! I told you in the beginning
you couldn't beat us.
877
01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:41,933
But you're gonna be champion again one day
when the prophet's finished.
878
01:00:42,038 --> 01:00:45,201
Next time, why don't you be pushing
on the ropes. Let the man hang out there.
879
01:00:45,308 --> 01:00:47,208
It wasn't me. It was God!
880
01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:49,574
I came home and I was angry
for a long time.
881
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,204
I figured I'd been betrayed
by my manager.
882
01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:54,840
I'd been given things in my water.
The ropes were loose.
883
01:00:54,951 --> 01:00:59,354
I had all the kind of excuses
that filled me with hatred and revenge.
884
01:00:59,455 --> 01:01:02,424
I felt like I lost everything,
not just the championship of the world...
885
01:01:02,525 --> 01:01:04,652
but I lost myself as a man.
886
01:01:04,761 --> 01:01:08,356
Foreman attempted a comeback,
but that ended in 1977.
887
01:01:08,464 --> 01:01:11,797
I fought Jimmy Young in
Puerto Rico in March of'77.
888
01:01:11,901 --> 01:01:14,961
After the decision,
Jimmy Young is the winner.
889
01:01:15,071 --> 01:01:17,198
I couldn't believe that.
I went back to the dressing room.
890
01:01:17,306 --> 01:01:20,605
And as I was walking back
and forth to cool off, I started thinking.
891
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:25,340
Who cares about a stinkin' boxing match
when I got money, I got cars?
892
01:01:25,448 --> 01:01:28,110
I said,
"I could retire and then die."
893
01:01:28,217 --> 01:01:29,878
Die! I couldn't fight it.
894
01:01:29,986 --> 01:01:31,954
It just started dominating
my conversation.
895
01:01:32,055 --> 01:01:35,855
I realized I was about to die in a dirty old
dressing room with all those homes I had.
896
01:01:35,958 --> 01:01:40,486
Right within my thoughts I heard a
voice say, "Do you believe in God?
897
01:01:40,596 --> 01:01:42,587
Why are you scared to die?"
898
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:46,863
So I tried to make a deal with the voice.
I said, "I'm still George Foreman.
899
01:01:46,969 --> 01:01:50,735
I can box and give money
to charity and for cancer."
900
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:55,072
And a voice answered me right back,
"I don't want your money. I want you!"
901
01:01:55,178 --> 01:01:58,147
And I remember tears coming down
because I knew that was it.
902
01:01:58,247 --> 01:02:01,307
My leg gave out on me.
And I said, "Y'all, I'm fixin' to"...
903
01:02:01,417 --> 01:02:03,647
Before I could say another "die,"
I was gone.
904
01:02:03,753 --> 01:02:08,781
Within a split second, over my head,
under my feet was just nothin'.
905
01:02:08,891 --> 01:02:10,791
I looked behind me and I seen...
906
01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:12,952
I saw everything I'd ever worked
for crumble.
907
01:02:13,062 --> 01:02:16,395
Like you burn a piece of paper and it stands
and you touch it and it crumbles.
908
01:02:16,499 --> 01:02:21,266
I was dead. Smelly old death. And this
horrible smell that goes along with it.
909
01:02:21,370 --> 01:02:24,134
I just got mad. I said,
"I don't care if this is death.
910
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,573
I still believe there's a God."
I just didn't believe in religion.
911
01:02:27,677 --> 01:02:30,077
When I said that,
a gigantic hand just reached in...
912
01:02:30,179 --> 01:02:34,616
nothing, hopelessness,
no more, and pulled me out.
913
01:02:34,717 --> 01:02:36,446
And I was alive
in that dressing room again.
914
01:02:36,552 --> 01:02:38,452
Evidently, they had
picked me up off the floor.
915
01:02:38,554 --> 01:02:41,523
I saw blood coming out of my forehead.
I hadn't been cut from the boxing match.
916
01:02:41,624 --> 01:02:44,252
But I saw it.
My masseur said, "Move your hand!
917
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,954
He's bleeding where they crucified him!"
918
01:02:47,063 --> 01:02:49,361
And I started screaming,
"Jesus Christ has come alive in me!"
919
01:02:49,465 --> 01:02:52,866
I fought eight men to get in the shower
and start screaming...
920
01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:55,028
"I'm clean! Born again! Hallelujah!"
921
01:02:55,138 --> 01:02:58,301
They strapped me down in an ambulance.
922
01:02:58,407 --> 01:03:01,774
And I said, "You just witnessed a miracle
and you won't believe it."
923
01:03:01,878 --> 01:03:03,869
They rushed me to intensive care.
924
01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:07,313
I lost a boxing match,
but I was where I wanted to be in life.
925
01:03:07,416 --> 01:03:10,044
And I've been telling that story since.
926
01:03:10,153 --> 01:03:13,145
I'm talking about Jesus Christ,
the true son of the living God.
927
01:03:20,163 --> 01:03:23,428
The first time that
I ever stepped in the ring...
928
01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:26,229
I was in the Colorado
State Penitentiary in Canon City.
929
01:03:26,335 --> 01:03:29,998
When I got up in the ring
and I looked around...
930
01:03:30,106 --> 01:03:34,475
I knew then that this is where I belong.
931
01:03:34,577 --> 01:03:37,205
It was like putting the rabbit
in the briar patch.
932
01:03:37,313 --> 01:03:40,043
- How long were you in the penitentiary?
- Seven and a half years.
933
01:03:40,149 --> 01:03:43,346
- You went there for what?
- Second-degree murder.
934
01:03:43,452 --> 01:03:46,148
It was a six-by-eight cement slab.
935
01:03:46,255 --> 01:03:49,520
One blanket, no pillow.
936
01:03:49,625 --> 01:03:51,217
A bowl of spinach.
937
01:03:51,327 --> 01:03:53,454
And every three days, you get a meal.
938
01:03:53,629 --> 01:03:55,426
That's the hole.
939
01:03:55,531 --> 01:03:58,557
I was still doing push-ups
on a bowl of spinach.
940
01:04:00,903 --> 01:04:05,203
And when they put me in privileged max where
they were giving me three meals a day...
941
01:04:05,308 --> 01:04:09,108
I started doing a 1,000 push-ups
in an hour.
942
01:04:11,948 --> 01:04:15,850
When I was in jail,
me and this guy got into an confrontation.
943
01:04:15,952 --> 01:04:18,113
He had a knife. I didn't have one.
944
01:04:18,221 --> 01:04:20,086
When he hit me with the knife... boom.
945
01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:23,181
And he hit a main artery going to the heart.
946
01:04:23,292 --> 01:04:25,658
So they had to open me up, cut me across.
947
01:04:25,761 --> 01:04:28,286
Put all my insides up on my chest.
948
01:04:28,397 --> 01:04:30,797
I had 36 blood transfusions.
949
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:33,300
Died twice on the operating table.
950
01:04:33,402 --> 01:04:38,965
But it wasn't my turn.
God gave me another shot at life.
951
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:43,671
When I got out, I was 28.
952
01:04:43,779 --> 01:04:46,771
I won the national A.A.U. Title.
953
01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:49,681
I fought Duane Bobick
and I knocked him out.
954
01:04:49,785 --> 01:04:51,548
He didn't move for five minutes.
955
01:04:51,654 --> 01:04:55,420
I wanted to be a pro.
I wanted to be one of the guys...
956
01:04:55,524 --> 01:04:58,789
so my people sent me to spar with Ali.
957
01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:01,125
I worked with him for,
I think, four rounds.
958
01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:04,393
He was a special person.
He didn't try to take advantage.
959
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:09,335
Then I left from there and I went up
to the Catskills to work with Joe Frazier.
960
01:05:09,438 --> 01:05:13,534
Tell Frazier this fella's a good amateur
and he's not out for no reputation.
961
01:05:13,643 --> 01:05:16,703
Give him a good little boxing lesson,
but don't hurt him.
962
01:05:16,812 --> 01:05:20,873
But if you make Frazier look too bad, which I
believe you will, 'cause you're a good boxer.
963
01:05:20,983 --> 01:05:23,349
You'll hit him all night with those jabs...
964
01:05:23,452 --> 01:05:26,012
that you don't hit me with,
but you'll hit him all night.
965
01:05:26,122 --> 01:05:29,091
People like what they saw.
They saw...
966
01:05:29,191 --> 01:05:33,355
the raw talent that was there
that over a period of time would develop.
967
01:05:33,462 --> 01:05:38,195
I was 30 when I turned pro.
I fought Ali four years later.
968
01:05:38,301 --> 01:05:39,928
The rest is history.
969
01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:54,605
I knew that was my time.
970
01:05:54,717 --> 01:05:58,118
I knew that this was
the moment that I worked for.
971
01:05:58,220 --> 01:06:02,179
This is where I had to put it
all together in one night.
972
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,259
Ali was such a good fighter,
'cause Ali really didn't need a lot of room.
973
01:06:07,363 --> 01:06:11,390
He was sharp, man. He'd come over your jab.
He could beat your hook.
974
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:14,060
Everything I had to do
was from right in here.
975
01:06:14,170 --> 01:06:17,196
I couldn't open up 'cause if you open up,
that's all he needed.
976
01:06:17,306 --> 01:06:19,536
Uppercut was my best punch.
977
01:06:19,642 --> 01:06:21,337
Bang! Bang! Bing!
978
01:06:21,444 --> 01:06:24,777
Then bop, bang, bing!
Then bop, beep, beep, beep, bop!
979
01:06:25,648 --> 01:06:27,548
Tenth round was a close round.
980
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:32,485
But I think I won it because
I was in the controlling position.
981
01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:45,491
There was 19 of us...
14 boys and five girls.
982
01:06:46,535 --> 01:06:48,662
And we grew up in the projects.
983
01:06:48,771 --> 01:06:50,739
We didn't always have a lot.
984
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,105
But we cared for each other.
We looked out for each other.
985
01:06:54,210 --> 01:06:57,202
I came from a family of religious people.
986
01:06:57,313 --> 01:06:59,440
My mother's father was a bishop.
987
01:06:59,548 --> 01:07:01,607
My mother's mother was a missionary.
988
01:07:01,717 --> 01:07:04,379
My father's mother was a missionary.
989
01:07:04,487 --> 01:07:07,012
My father's father...
990
01:07:07,123 --> 01:07:09,387
was a bootlegger.
991
01:07:09,492 --> 01:07:11,960
I took after him, didn't I?
992
01:07:13,662 --> 01:07:16,096
They gave me 15 to 25.
993
01:07:16,198 --> 01:07:19,133
I'm in solitary confinement.
994
01:07:19,235 --> 01:07:20,793
I had this dream...
995
01:07:20,903 --> 01:07:23,667
I was fighting for the heavyweight
championship of the world.
996
01:07:25,007 --> 01:07:28,807
And guess who it was... in the dream.
997
01:07:30,746 --> 01:07:32,373
Ali.
998
01:07:32,481 --> 01:07:34,142
And when I got out...
999
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:38,448
the things that I was doin' in the fight,
it was just like the dream.
1000
01:07:42,258 --> 01:07:45,193
In the eleventh round,
I'm ahead on all scorecards.
1001
01:07:45,294 --> 01:07:49,060
I was starting to move more.
Getting him to reach at me.
1002
01:07:49,165 --> 01:07:52,328
And he threw a right hand. Pow!
1003
01:07:52,435 --> 01:07:55,563
And it knocked me into the ropes.
1004
01:07:55,671 --> 01:07:58,231
Well, I already know how
to fight off the ropes.
1005
01:07:58,340 --> 01:08:01,639
I learned how to do that in prison.
1006
01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:13,983
I took some shots. I took some shots.
1007
01:08:15,591 --> 01:08:18,025
Freddy Nunez, the referee, stopped it.
1008
01:08:19,095 --> 01:08:21,290
I couldn't believe it, you know.
1009
01:08:21,397 --> 01:08:23,524
I'm ahead on all scorecards.
1010
01:08:23,632 --> 01:08:26,897
"Come on, man. This is my moment."
1011
01:08:29,138 --> 01:08:31,902
Am I bitter? Forget about it.
1012
01:08:32,007 --> 01:08:33,736
I never took it personal.
1013
01:08:33,843 --> 01:08:39,042
If there don't be no Ali, you think you'd be
sitting here talking to Ron Lyle?
1014
01:08:39,148 --> 01:08:40,706
About what?
1015
01:08:43,686 --> 01:08:48,180
But I'm still fighting.
I'm just in the corner now.
1016
01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:51,953
I'm showing 'em how to fight.
I'm teaching 'em how to fight.
1017
01:08:52,061 --> 01:08:57,192
I like trying to make a difference
in their little lives in the boxing game.
1018
01:08:57,299 --> 01:09:00,860
If I can shed a little light
on some knowledge of the game...
1019
01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:04,531
and they pick it up and they use it
and they take advantage of it...
1020
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,370
it's all good...
that's what I'm here for.
1021
01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:20,748
It will be a thrilla
and a chilla and a killa...
1022
01:09:20,856 --> 01:09:22,414
when I get the gorilla in Manila.
1023
01:09:22,525 --> 01:09:23,992
I know, yeah.
1024
01:09:25,060 --> 01:09:27,551
- I got your conscience with me.
- Yeah, how 'bout that?
1025
01:09:27,663 --> 01:09:31,360
- I'm gonna keep it right here in my pocket.
- Ain't gonna do it.
1026
01:09:31,467 --> 01:09:33,901
Fifteen rounds. And here is round one.
1027
01:09:42,978 --> 01:09:45,037
The Thrilla in Manila was a heck of a fight.
1028
01:09:45,147 --> 01:09:47,047
They both kind of died in that fight.
1029
01:09:47,149 --> 01:09:50,277
Neither fighter was the same
after that fight, markedly so.
1030
01:10:21,684 --> 01:10:23,151
Frazier is hurt.
1031
01:10:23,252 --> 01:10:26,744
Is puffed around both eyes.
1032
01:10:32,394 --> 01:10:34,055
It's all over!
1033
01:10:42,938 --> 01:10:44,838
Boxing is a strange sport.
1034
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:47,568
You can overstay your welcome
and you can get physically hurt.
1035
01:10:47,676 --> 01:10:49,576
Wiped out. Devastated mentally.
1036
01:10:49,678 --> 01:10:52,613
Your brain can only take
so many shots to the head.
1037
01:10:53,882 --> 01:10:58,615
The Thrilla in Manila was Ali's exit.
1038
01:10:58,721 --> 01:11:02,452
He take that, he could be the president
of the United States.
1039
01:11:02,558 --> 01:11:04,753
'Cause he's still sharp at this time.
1040
01:11:04,860 --> 01:11:10,696
But like all fighters,
and I'm no different...
1041
01:11:10,799 --> 01:11:14,530
you want to know if you can
still do it one more time.
1042
01:12:37,753 --> 01:12:39,914
Earnie Shavers,
he's the hardest puncher I ever faced...
1043
01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:41,922
and that's including Foreman.
1044
01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:46,757
He hit me, man, and my feet just came...
The ground came up and met me.
1045
01:12:46,862 --> 01:12:48,352
I ain't never been hit like that.
1046
01:12:48,464 --> 01:12:52,059
Earnie Shavers was the hardest
I ever been hit.
1047
01:12:52,167 --> 01:12:56,103
Ali don't even hit
compared to what Shavers did.
1048
01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:38,445
Earnie Shavers, the challenger...
1049
01:13:38,547 --> 01:13:42,847
he has knocked out his opponent
19 times in the first round.
1050
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,950
Oh, good right hand by Shavers!
1051
01:13:57,366 --> 01:13:59,027
Right hand. And Ali is hurt!
1052
01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:38,022
Oh, a right hand!
1053
01:16:08,030 --> 01:16:10,430
Another flurry by Ali.
1054
01:16:17,105 --> 01:16:19,005
Toe to toe!
1055
01:16:32,788 --> 01:16:34,255
What a fight!
1056
01:19:14,249 --> 01:19:18,345
Leon Spinks, a gold medal winner
at the 1976 Olympic Games in Montreal...
1057
01:19:18,453 --> 01:19:20,444
is a young man on the move.
1058
01:19:21,556 --> 01:19:23,956
Since turning pro,
he's had only had seven fights.
1059
01:19:24,059 --> 01:19:27,222
And number eight will be for
the heavyweight championship of the world...
1060
01:19:27,329 --> 01:19:29,820
as he takes on Muhammad Ali in Las Vegas.
1061
01:19:29,931 --> 01:19:31,990
You think he is an old man though?
1062
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:35,001
Any man is old when he's 36.
1063
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,713
Spinks, incidentally,
is a tremendous underdog...
1064
01:19:47,816 --> 01:19:49,977
at 8-1 Las Vegas odds.
1065
01:19:50,085 --> 01:19:52,019
So here we go for round one.
1066
01:20:19,247 --> 01:20:20,771
Big question here...
1067
01:20:21,583 --> 01:20:23,448
Can Muhammad Ali,
with three minutes to go...
1068
01:20:23,552 --> 01:20:26,419
and the final round coming up,
come back and win this fight?
1069
01:20:36,798 --> 01:20:39,665
Okay, there is no tomorrow.
1070
01:20:39,768 --> 01:20:43,204
He just got hammered!
Spinks just got hammered with a right hand!
1071
01:20:43,305 --> 01:20:47,742
And Spinks comes back with a counter.
Another counter! Another! Another!
1072
01:20:47,843 --> 01:20:50,243
And Spinks backing up the champion.
1073
01:20:50,345 --> 01:20:52,973
With eight seconds remaining,
he just hammered Ali!
1074
01:20:53,081 --> 01:20:54,639
Ali looks like he's in trouble.
1075
01:20:54,749 --> 01:20:57,047
He's leaning against the ropes.
With two seconds.
1076
01:21:23,645 --> 01:21:25,545
The new heavyweight!
1077
01:21:47,168 --> 01:21:49,068
They didn't rob me. He did win the fight.
1078
01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:51,400
I did lose it.
It was close, but I did lose it.
1079
01:21:51,506 --> 01:21:53,337
And that's not gonna help me.
1080
01:21:53,441 --> 01:21:56,069
Going around talking about it,
it's not gonna get the title back.
1081
01:21:56,177 --> 01:21:58,372
We just admitted the strategy was wrong.
1082
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:00,380
We made a mistake. We all lose in life.
1083
01:22:00,482 --> 01:22:03,042
We're gonna lose our mothers,
our fathers, our brothers, our sisters.
1084
01:22:03,151 --> 01:22:05,779
We can lose our lives,
our eyesight, our health.
1085
01:22:05,887 --> 01:22:08,754
And you just have to learn to live
with these conditions and keep going.
1086
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,262
Leon, what did you do
after the fight last night?
1087
01:22:24,906 --> 01:22:26,396
That good, huh?
1088
01:22:27,442 --> 01:22:28,841
With whom?
1089
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:44,124
You feel you have any extra responsibility
as far as your image goes?
1090
01:22:44,225 --> 01:22:48,525
I don't know. I just stepped in.
I won't know until I get deeper into it.
1091
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,036
Heavyweight boxing champion
Leon Spinks is in the Bahamas today...
1092
01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:58,128
denying drug possession charges...
1093
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:01,265
made against him early yesterday morning
in his native St. Louis.
1094
01:24:14,716 --> 01:24:19,210
The challenger of tonight's bout...
1095
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:23,416
the former two-time great champion...
1096
01:24:23,525 --> 01:24:27,791
from Louisville, Kentucky,
Muhammad Ali, the greatest.
1097
01:24:30,532 --> 01:24:33,194
There's the bell.
And we're under way. Round one!
1098
01:24:52,787 --> 01:24:56,655
And a good exchange as round...
Ali does his little shuffle...
1099
01:24:56,758 --> 01:24:58,953
and the crowd loves it!
1100
01:24:59,060 --> 01:25:04,157
All he needs to do is survive to 15
and he's the next champion of the world.
1101
01:25:04,265 --> 01:25:07,792
For the first time,
unprecedented if he does it.
1102
01:25:07,902 --> 01:25:11,201
Then he says he wants to retire.
Retire as the first black...
1103
01:25:11,306 --> 01:25:14,207
ever to retire
as heavyweight champion of the world.
1104
01:25:14,309 --> 01:25:16,106
It's all over!
1105
01:25:16,211 --> 01:25:20,705
And Ali is the world heavyweight
champion for the third time.
1106
01:25:20,815 --> 01:25:22,612
And here comes the Ali circle.
1107
01:25:42,003 --> 01:25:47,532
A tremendous crowd of people
are pushing their way in.
1108
01:25:47,642 --> 01:25:51,169
I says, "I cannot go out on
another loser. It's terrible."
1109
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:53,247
I should have quit after Foreman.
1110
01:25:53,348 --> 01:25:55,543
I went too long. I took one too many.
1111
01:25:55,650 --> 01:25:59,211
That's why I'm so lucky today to be here...
1112
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,311
able to make these boasts.
1113
01:26:01,422 --> 01:26:03,481
And now, forever champion.
1114
01:26:03,591 --> 01:26:08,460
To get away clean.
To come back and get out...
1115
01:26:08,563 --> 01:26:12,932
and be able to say,
I'm the first black man...
1116
01:26:13,034 --> 01:26:16,265
to win and get out clean.
1117
01:26:26,114 --> 01:26:28,309
I wish I was smarter than I am.
1118
01:26:28,416 --> 01:26:34,048
But if I could write and read and spell
as good as everybody else...
1119
01:26:34,155 --> 01:26:37,647
that got a college education,
I wouldn't be who I am.
1120
01:26:38,660 --> 01:26:43,029
I was 13 years old working in an ugly old
shoeshine shop in the car wash.
1121
01:26:43,131 --> 01:26:46,100
Smoked some marijuana, got high.
I was selling marijuana on the street.
1122
01:26:46,201 --> 01:26:48,795
I didn't want to do that anymore.
1123
01:26:48,903 --> 01:26:53,772
I said, "I gotta stop." At that time
I was, like, 16 and a half, 17 years old.
1124
01:26:53,875 --> 01:26:56,605
Quit. Started boxing.
1125
01:26:56,711 --> 01:27:00,147
All I had was some talent and a heart.
1126
01:27:01,282 --> 01:27:04,649
My trainer at the time
knew Angelo Dundee.
1127
01:27:04,752 --> 01:27:06,652
He said, "We're going up
to Deer Lake, Pennsylvania...
1128
01:27:06,754 --> 01:27:09,655
to see Ali at his training camp."
1129
01:27:09,757 --> 01:27:13,921
Ali happened to have scheduled a exhibition,
and no one was there for him to box.
1130
01:27:14,028 --> 01:27:15,757
So he asked me,
"Do you want to box me?"
1131
01:27:15,863 --> 01:27:18,832
I said, "I don't want to box you, man.
I ain't ready for you."
1132
01:27:18,933 --> 01:27:20,901
He said, "I ain't gonna hurt you.
I ain't gonna hurt you."
1133
01:27:21,002 --> 01:27:24,870
We boxed three rounds. He didn't hurt me,
but I ended up with a black eye.
1134
01:27:24,973 --> 01:27:28,136
And that was something that I was proud of,
that I could show off...
1135
01:27:28,243 --> 01:27:30,905
me being a sparring partner,
me helping Muhammad Ali.
1136
01:27:31,012 --> 01:27:34,243
That was even more a thrill.
It was like, "Wow, I'm with the champ."
1137
01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:38,010
But it was a whole mess up there.
1138
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:41,520
Everybody was jealous
and jockeying for position...
1139
01:27:41,623 --> 01:27:44,353
trying to be closer to Ali
than the next person.
1140
01:27:44,459 --> 01:27:48,759
One time, we all drove back
to Chicago to get paid.
1141
01:27:48,863 --> 01:27:52,594
Ali went in the bank,
and called each person in the bank...
1142
01:27:52,700 --> 01:27:54,600
and paid 'em and came back.
1143
01:27:54,702 --> 01:27:57,398
And somehow, somebody said,
"How much money you got?"
1144
01:27:57,505 --> 01:28:01,703
"Well, I got 10,000."
"I got 5,000. How'd you get more than me?
1145
01:28:01,809 --> 01:28:04,209
You didn't do this,
and I was doing this and I was doing that!"
1146
01:28:04,312 --> 01:28:08,510
They was arguing about
who was getting more money than what.
1147
01:28:08,616 --> 01:28:10,811
And my thing was...
1148
01:28:10,918 --> 01:28:13,978
he didn't have to give me anything,
'cause he pays you every week.
1149
01:28:14,088 --> 01:28:18,286
And it went on and went on and went on
that way until I left.
1150
01:28:20,061 --> 01:28:23,861
The last day was when
he fought Chuck Wepner in 1975...
1151
01:28:23,965 --> 01:28:26,399
when I got my last pay for $3,000.
1152
01:28:26,501 --> 01:28:29,231
I said, "I can't be your sparring partner
no more. I gotta go do my own thing."
1153
01:28:29,337 --> 01:28:32,067
He wished me luck.
And that's when I took off.
1154
01:28:33,908 --> 01:28:35,808
Ain't nobody gave me anything.
1155
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:38,845
Don King controlled my situation.
They had me.
1156
01:28:38,946 --> 01:28:41,881
I fought one year, six times,
and made $700.
1157
01:28:41,983 --> 01:28:43,883
I thought he was finished with me.
1158
01:28:43,985 --> 01:28:47,921
I wasn't supposed to be there. My legs were
too small. I was just to copy Muhammad Ali.
1159
01:28:48,022 --> 01:28:52,550
I couldn't fight. I couldn't take it.
But I proved them all wrong.
1160
01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:55,857
Three years later,
I'm heavyweight champion of the world.
1161
01:28:55,963 --> 01:28:58,090
How do you think you'll do
against Muhammad Ali?
1162
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:00,895
Muhammad Ali... There's no question about
Muhammad Ali anymore.
1163
01:29:01,002 --> 01:29:03,903
There's no more Muhammad Ali.
There's only one Larry Holmes.
1164
01:29:04,005 --> 01:29:07,099
Muhammad Ali has seen the bright side.
Now he's on the dark side.
1165
01:29:16,551 --> 01:29:19,611
I've had two years rest. Two years off.
1166
01:29:19,721 --> 01:29:22,121
Two years off,
and I'm gonna whoop Holmes.
1167
01:29:22,223 --> 01:29:24,714
It's hard to say no to all that adulation.
1168
01:29:24,826 --> 01:29:27,590
It's hard to say no when
you're constantly in the public eye...
1169
01:29:27,695 --> 01:29:30,129
when you're as revered as he was.
1170
01:29:30,231 --> 01:29:32,062
I will destroy Holmes.
1171
01:29:32,166 --> 01:29:35,602
And I want you to play
this thing over to the public...
1172
01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:46,036
He wanted to do
what he wanted to do.
1173
01:29:46,147 --> 01:29:49,378
Just like me. Just like you.
1174
01:29:50,551 --> 01:29:52,849
Here comes Larry Holmes.
1175
01:29:52,954 --> 01:29:55,752
The W.B.C. Heavyweight champion.
1176
01:29:55,857 --> 01:29:58,485
A man who deserves recognition.
1177
01:29:58,593 --> 01:30:02,723
I was put in a no-win situation.
I beat him up, I beat up an old man.
1178
01:30:02,830 --> 01:30:04,593
He beats me up, I never had it.
1179
01:30:08,136 --> 01:30:11,970
All those years I was with him,
I never heard him curse at me like that.
1180
01:30:12,073 --> 01:30:14,507
I never heard him curse period
like that, you know?
1181
01:30:14,609 --> 01:30:19,603
"Motherfucker." "Son of a bitch." "Kick
your ass." And "I'm gonna fuck you up."
1182
01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:21,614
He's lost his cool already!
1183
01:30:21,716 --> 01:30:23,843
But he said all that,
and I was like, "Whoa."
1184
01:30:23,951 --> 01:30:27,045
Green having trouble
getting the fight started.
1185
01:30:27,155 --> 01:30:29,055
The bell for round one.
1186
01:30:29,157 --> 01:30:31,318
Wide-eyed, posturing Ali.
1187
01:30:31,426 --> 01:30:33,519
I wanted to bully Ali around...
1188
01:30:33,628 --> 01:30:36,859
like he would bully somebody else around
as a sparring partner.
1189
01:30:36,964 --> 01:30:39,626
I'm the man. This is my domain.
1190
01:30:39,734 --> 01:30:42,430
You're trespassing.
And now you have to pay for it.
1191
01:30:42,537 --> 01:30:45,233
Good right to the belly!
1192
01:30:45,339 --> 01:30:48,797
My thought was to go and back him up,
keep him up against the ropes.
1193
01:30:48,910 --> 01:30:51,208
And make him fight.
Just make him wear out.
1194
01:30:51,312 --> 01:30:55,373
He was concentrating
on protecting himself.
1195
01:30:55,483 --> 01:30:59,044
And I was able to just go straight in...
1196
01:30:59,153 --> 01:31:03,214
and do whatever I wanted to do because
there was nothing coming back at me.
1197
01:31:04,258 --> 01:31:06,818
Ali gets to his feet...
1198
01:31:06,928 --> 01:31:10,125
ever so slowly for the 10th round.
1199
01:31:11,466 --> 01:31:14,196
You could see when Ali
fought Holmes, he was shot.
1200
01:31:14,302 --> 01:31:17,032
He wasn't the same fighter
in any way, shape or form...
1201
01:31:17,138 --> 01:31:19,800
that he had been in the years previous.
1202
01:31:19,907 --> 01:31:22,842
I was almost afraid
to hit him in the body.
1203
01:31:22,944 --> 01:31:25,708
I was in the camp
with him many times that...
1204
01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:30,375
when he went to the bathroom,
he was urinating blood.
1205
01:31:30,485 --> 01:31:32,248
And I didn't want to do that to him.
1206
01:31:32,353 --> 01:31:36,847
Holmes's corner keeps
telling him to punish Ali.
1207
01:31:49,637 --> 01:31:51,605
When Holmes had him in front of him...
1208
01:31:51,706 --> 01:31:54,641
it was like hitting a
slow-moving heavy bag...
1209
01:31:54,742 --> 01:31:58,007
a heavy bag that once had skills,
but the run was over.
1210
01:31:58,112 --> 01:32:01,878
It was time to go. Time to quit.
Time to call it a day.
1211
01:32:03,351 --> 01:32:08,015
I realize the legend
that this man has been.
1212
01:32:08,122 --> 01:32:10,613
I would hope they would stop this fight.
1213
01:32:10,725 --> 01:32:15,355
By Ali passing the torch
to one of his sparring partners...
1214
01:32:15,463 --> 01:32:17,624
it was time for him to step down.
1215
01:32:20,868 --> 01:32:22,768
I wanted him to quit like he quit.
1216
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:25,805
Just like he did...
sitting on the stool, and me walking away.
1217
01:32:25,907 --> 01:32:29,035
The whole game's over!
I'm the chief second!
1218
01:32:29,143 --> 01:32:31,407
- I stop the fight!
- All right.
1219
01:32:34,549 --> 01:32:36,779
I went to his room after the fight.
1220
01:32:36,884 --> 01:32:38,818
And I said to him, man...
I said, "I love ya."
1221
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,650
He said, "If you love me,
why did you beat me up like that?"
1222
01:32:41,756 --> 01:32:45,715
When I left, he said,
"I will be back. I will return."
1223
01:32:47,562 --> 01:32:49,792
I didn't see any health problems
in the future for him.
1224
01:32:49,897 --> 01:32:53,697
I thought he was gonna be okay. But of
course, we all know that he's not okay anymore.
1225
01:32:53,801 --> 01:32:57,794
That he has health problems
resulting from...
1226
01:32:57,905 --> 01:33:01,500
either a predisposition
to that condition or to boxing...
1227
01:33:01,609 --> 01:33:04,237
or maybe it's a combination of both.
1228
01:33:04,345 --> 01:33:06,438
All this problem he's got now...
1229
01:33:06,547 --> 01:33:09,778
has nothing to do basically
with Parkinson's...
1230
01:33:09,884 --> 01:33:12,284
what they call his Parkinson's syndrome...
1231
01:33:12,386 --> 01:33:15,844
And I was with him,
and he had his doctor with him.
1232
01:33:15,957 --> 01:33:19,120
And as he went out of the room,
his doctor explained to me.
1233
01:33:19,226 --> 01:33:22,593
He said... 'Cause I said to him,
"Boxing hasn't done this to Ali."
1234
01:33:22,697 --> 01:33:25,291
He said, "Look, Mr. Cooper,
what you gotta realize...
1235
01:33:25,399 --> 01:33:28,766
he got hit so many times
on the back of the neck...
1236
01:33:28,869 --> 01:33:32,669
some brain cells have been killed off
at the base of his brain.
1237
01:33:32,773 --> 01:33:36,038
It's these brain cells
that trigger a chemical release.
1238
01:33:36,143 --> 01:33:38,873
They're not doing that."
1239
01:33:38,980 --> 01:33:41,346
I think that boxing
had some effects on him...
1240
01:33:41,449 --> 01:33:43,747
but basically, this Parkinson's thing...
1241
01:33:43,851 --> 01:33:45,785
it's something that's...
1242
01:33:45,886 --> 01:33:49,515
I've never seen this on any human being
like it's affected Muhammad Ali.
1243
01:33:51,392 --> 01:33:54,520
At the time I saw him with Holmes...
1244
01:33:54,629 --> 01:33:57,462
I thought more a sense relief
than anything else...
1245
01:33:57,565 --> 01:33:59,499
that it's finally over...
1246
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,228
and that these people
still remember him as a great champion.
1247
01:34:02,336 --> 01:34:04,270
'Cause there's too many
great fights to remember.
1248
01:34:04,372 --> 01:34:07,773
And the last one he had was kind of...
was kind of a sad ending.
1249
01:34:07,875 --> 01:34:11,777
But they all knew at one time
he was the greatest.
1250
01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:17,743
"You're not the champ. Look at you,
you losing. You lost three rounds already.
1251
01:34:17,852 --> 01:34:19,820
Come on, Leon. I hit you four times."
1252
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,013
This worries a man.
1253
01:34:38,606 --> 01:34:41,473
He put it on the line, brother.
1254
01:34:41,575 --> 01:34:46,842
The representation that he gave
to the black community...
1255
01:34:46,947 --> 01:34:52,010
will never be forgotten,
no matter what.
1256
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:54,451
I am the greatest!
1257
01:35:24,051 --> 01:35:26,019
Float like a butterfly.
1258
01:36:02,323 --> 01:36:04,291
He was here. It was a fund-raiser.
1259
01:36:04,391 --> 01:36:05,949
It was for Parkinson's, the disease.
1260
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:09,427
And they were taking pictures
for different newspapers and magazines.
1261
01:36:09,530 --> 01:36:14,593
Macleans magazine took a picture of Ali
touching my hair and him saying to me...
1262
01:36:14,702 --> 01:36:16,863
"Hey, man, you got some pretty hair."
1263
01:36:25,146 --> 01:36:27,774
When I last saw him,
he was out walking.
1264
01:36:28,949 --> 01:36:31,474
And I was just elated.
1265
01:36:31,585 --> 01:36:35,646
I would like to see him
a well Ali for the rest of his days here.
1266
01:36:35,756 --> 01:36:37,815
I would just hope that that happens.
1267
01:36:40,661 --> 01:36:42,652
I am the greatest!
1268
01:36:44,098 --> 01:36:46,726
He had a big heart, good chin.
1269
01:36:46,834 --> 01:36:49,166
Fast feet, fast hands.
What more do you want?
1270
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:51,568
You can't get anything else.
1271
01:37:02,183 --> 01:37:04,083
I love Ali like a brother...
1272
01:37:04,185 --> 01:37:07,552
and like a guy that is a celebrity...
1273
01:37:07,655 --> 01:37:10,146
like a guy whose done
a lot for a lot of people.
1274
01:37:10,257 --> 01:37:12,987
Ali was one of those guys that...
1275
01:37:14,428 --> 01:37:16,328
made you feel good about yourself.
1276
01:37:16,430 --> 01:37:19,365
He'd make everybody feel good.
You know, everybody.
1277
01:37:19,466 --> 01:37:23,129
Ali, bomayel Ali, bomayel
1278
01:37:24,839 --> 01:37:28,366
I look at Muhammad Ali today,
especially, and I see a hero.
1279
01:37:28,475 --> 01:37:33,208
Forget about some minority and all of that.
This man was a hero to the world.
1280
01:37:33,314 --> 01:37:36,715
And heroes, it doesn't matter
if they lost an arm or leg...
1281
01:37:36,817 --> 01:37:39,547
they're still beautiful
because of what they've done.
1282
01:37:49,096 --> 01:37:51,462
When I see him, he's love.
1283
01:37:51,565 --> 01:37:56,127
Ali was all about love, man.
You know what I mean?
1284
01:37:56,237 --> 01:38:00,139
Like I say, he can't speak for himself...
1285
01:38:00,241 --> 01:38:02,709
but we can speak for him.
1286
01:40:52,713 --> 01:40:55,477
Float like a butterfly! Sting like a bee!
1287
01:40:55,582 --> 01:40:58,745
Float like a butterfly! Sting like a bee!
1288
01:40:58,852 --> 01:41:00,820
Float like a butterfly!
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