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-On the 4th of August, 2002,
10-year-olds Holly Wells

and Jessica Chapman disappeared
whilst buying sweets

in the sleepy Cambridgeshire
town of Soham.

-They were so appealing,
so beautiful,

so charming, so smiley.

The world and his wife wanted

to know what on earth
had happened to them.

-For 2 weeks, police and locals
desperately scoured the area.

It was every parent's
worst nightmare.

-There was a sense of real fear
and dread in the village.

People were starting to get more
and more desperate

as to what might have happened
to these two little girls.

-Ian Huntley, a local
school caretaker,

gave an emotional interview
to the press,

appealing for the safe return
of Holly and Jessica.

-Somebody would've seen
or heard something

if somebody had tried
to get those girls into a car,

if it had just been
somebody passing through.

-But in truth,
Huntley had brutally murdered

both girls
in the bathroom of his home.

-Huntley was a bomb
waiting to explode.

All he needed was
an opportunity,

and on that sunny
August afternoon in 2002,

he found an opportunity.

-Ian Huntley
had unquestionably become

one of the world's
most evil killers.

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It is one of the most
talked about crimes

of the 21st century.

The murders of schoolgirls
Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman

shocked the nation to its core.

For 2 weeks, newspapers
and rolling news channels

brought a constant
flow of updates

in the search
for the missing pair.

When their bodies
were finally found

on the 17th of August, 2002,
the world mourned.

-Out of an evening mist,

which had fallen on a remote
patch of Suffolk woodland,

the bodies of Holly and Jessica
were taken away.

-The killer was 28-year-old
school caretaker Ian Huntley,

a man who moved to Soham in 2001
to escape a troubled past.

Huntley was born in Grimsby
in Lincolnshire

on the 31st of January, 1974.

He had a turbulent time
at school

and was often
the target of bullying.

-So I think this created

a bit of a sense of shame
in Ian Huntley,

something that is often
at the root of a lot of men

like him in terms
of what they go on to do.

So he started off as somebody
who was always the kid

that was a bit odd,

the odd one out,
the one who's a bit of a loner.

-In December 1994, Huntley
met 18-year-old Claire Evans.

They had a whirlwind romance
and were married within weeks.

-His wife, Claire,

quickly found
that he had a terrible temper.

She later claimed
that she feared for her life

and that he would often
put his hands round her neck.

-Ian Huntley is somebody
who is not capable

of having a normal relationship
with a woman,

so he moves very quickly
because he wants to maintain

a sense of control
within his relationships.

So he will breeze
into women's lives,

this knight in shining armor,
full of charm and compliments,

and will kind of try
and wind them in.

-Huntley's marriage
didn't last long.

His wife, Claire,
had started a relationship

with his younger brother, Wayne.

Despite the marriage
being all but over,

Huntley refused to grant her
a divorce until 1999

to prevent their relationship
from becoming official.

-He'd always felt
incredibly threatened

by his younger brother.

He took the attention away
from him

when he came into that family.

And because of Ian Huntley's
narcissistic tendencies,

he's always going to feel

that he's being outdone
by his brother.

-While still married to Claire,

Huntley fathered a daughter
with a 15-year-old girl in 1998.

-I think it would be fair
to say

that Huntley demonstrated,

throughout his adolescence
and early manhood,

that he had a unhealthy appetite
in younger and younger women.

-Well, during his 20s,
Ian Huntley preyed

on a lot of young girls,
underage girls,

and the police who investigated
the case thought

that there were possibly
up to 60 young girls

that he'd had some kind of
interaction with on that level,

and he would kind of worm
his way into these girls' lives,

and they're younger.

They're more impressionable.

They're easier to lure in.

-In 1998, 24-year-old Huntley
appeared at Grimsby Crown Court,

charged with both burglary and
the rape of an 18-year-old girl.

Both cases were dropped
due to lack of evidence,

but he was gaining a bad
reputation across Lincolnshire.

-He was an insignificant
little man who,

on the surface,
wouldn't say boo to a goose.

Unfortunately,
he had no conscience

and would do whatever he wanted
when he wanted to do it.

-In February 1999, Huntley met
22-year-old Maxine Carr,

and after dating for just
4 weeks, they moved in together.

-She was naive, impressionable,

and he was an interesting
figure to her, I think.

She found him perhaps --

I would hesitate
to call him charismatic --

but at least interesting
and did not discover

the violent side
to his nature that his wife had.

-Maxine Carr was a very easy
target, in a way,

for Ian Huntley because
at this point in his life,

he's managed to hone those
skills of hooking women in,

being quite superficially
charming and manipulative

and saying the things
that they wanted to hear.

So he's got quite
a well-rehearsed script

at this point in time,

and he pulls that out
when he meets Maxine Carr.

-In February 2000,
after a year together,

the couple move from Grimsby

and set up home just
30 miles away in Scunthorpe.

Their new neighbor, Morisa Gibb,
befriended the couple.

-Max and Ian
were a lovely couple.

Maxine was any
25-, 26-year-old girl,

bubbly, giggling, talking about
wanting to have children.

She wanted to work in a nursery
and get a job,

and I think she was fantastic.

-And it wasn't long
before Huntley's past

was catching up with him.

-I finished work
at 8:00 at night, come home.

The next minute, there was
a police van outside in the
back,

and I looked out the window
and thought,

"Oh, Christ,
I hope everything is okay."

So then they left.

Next day, I saw Maxine.

I says, "Are you all right?

Is the family okay, you know,
anything like that?"

"No, Ian has been accused
of rape in Grimsby."

He said,
"But the dates they've got,

we were living next door here."

I said, "Well, why didn't you
tell the police to come see me?

I'd verify that
you moved next door."

But then she said he was always
getting allegations

when they lived in Grimsby
that he was raping this girl

and done this
to this other girl.

That's why they moved to
Scunthorpe, to get a new life.

-The couple rarely left
the house,

and Morisa recalls Huntley's
controlling behavior.

-I went round to see Maxine
for a cup of coffee.

Ian was at work.

And basically,
I had a cup of coffee.

I put it on the table.

The next minute, it was taken
off the table, bleached, cleaned

and put in the cupboard.

I thought it was a bit OCD,

but I thought it was
just Maxine,

and then she told me,
"No, Ian doesn't like to know

that anybody has been
in the house,"

so she was a bit scared
of what was happening,

and I was not allowed to tell
him that I'd been in the house.

-Huntley's controlling nature
would occasionally lead

to violent outbursts.

-My sitting room goes --

You can see straight
into their kitchen,

and he was shouting at her,
calling all the names of sun.

"You do as you're told.
You do what I tell you to do."

You see her crouching in the
corner where he was hitting her.

"You listen to me.
You do what I say.

You don't listen to nobody else.
I'm your boss.

I'm in charge of you,
nobody else."

-Despite the tumultuous
relationship, in 2001,

Huntley and Carr
decided to up and leave

once more and headed south
to start a new life

in the small Cambridgeshire
town of Soham.

24-year-old Carr
had found herself a job

as a teaching assistant
at St. Andrew's Primary School

while 27-year-old Huntley
was working as a caretaker

at nearby Soham Village College.

The caretaker's job came
with a cottage for the pair

to live in,
Number 5 College Close.

-I got a phone call
of Maxine saying,

"We've moved in.
The house is lovely.

The countryside is lovely."

I said, "I hope you're okay,
but if you ever need me,

just ring me,
and I'll get my brother,

and we'll come and get you."

-On Sunday,
the 4th of August, 2002,

two of Maxine Carr's pupils,
10-year-olds

Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells,
were enjoying a barbecue

at Holly's family home
in Redhouse Gardens.

The two girls decided to walk
to the shops to buy some sweets

without telling their parents
where they were going.

It was a decision that would
cost them their lives.

At 8:30 p.m. that evening,
Holly's parents went upstairs

in the family home
to check on the girls,

but they were nowhere
to be found.

They immediately
raised the alarm.

As dawn broke the following day,

police began to search
the local area

with the help of hundreds
of local volunteers.

The media were beginning
to take note.

-Within hours
of their disappearance,

police from three forces
and hundreds of townsfolk

have joined the hunt
for Holly and Jessica.

-It is a small village
in the middle

of the Cambridgeshire
countryside

where it's one of those places
where everybody knows everybody,

so almost everybody in town
would know the two families.

They probably know
the little girls, and therefore,

it was a community concern
that these girls were missing,

and they didn't know
where they were.

-Later that same day,
police issued a public appeal.

They were becoming increasingly
concerned for the girls.

-Their disappearance is
incredibly out of character.

They haven't been
missing before.

They're very well-balanced,
very bright, young girls.

As far as we can tell,
they've taken no change

of clothing and no money,

so as we say,
it's quite out of character.

-The police had
a very real belief

that the girls
could've just gone missing,

that they could've wandered off

and got themselves lost
in the countryside.

It was, after all,
just a few hundred yards

where they were last seen
from open meadowlands

and then the fens of
Cambridgeshire and East Anglia,

so it would've been
perhaps quite easy

for them to wander off,

get lost, perhaps get
into trouble, fall in a fen.

-Police tried to track
Jessica's mobile phone signal,

but they couldn't
pinpoint a location.

-There was still hope
that they could be found alive,

and at worst-case scenario,

was that perhaps they'd been
taken hostage by somebody

or just abducted by someone
with not good intent,

so the police still
and, I think,

the families and the people
of Soham still had a real hope

that they'd see the girls alive
again in those first few days.

-On the 5th of August,
Holly and Jessica's parents

appeared at an emotional
press conference

to appeal for their safe return.

-We love them so much.
We just want them home.

Just anyone who's got children
must know

what we're going through.

-The disappearance
of Holly and Jessica

create a storm of interest,
a media circus.

They were so appealing,
so beautiful,

so charming, so smiley.

The world and his wife wanted

to know what on earth
had happened to them.

-The police based
their headquarters

at Holly and Jessica's school.

Around 500 locals and officers
from neighboring Suffolk

and Essex joined
Cambridgeshire police

in the round-the-clock
search for the girls.

It quickly became one
of the biggest investigations

the country had ever seen.

-Not surprisingly,

an absolutely
extraordinary manhunt results.

Police are drafted in.

Areas are searched.

News crews arrive.

Reporters arrive.

Everyone who's ever seen them
is interviewed at great length.

-With no real clues as
to where the children are

and what state they're in,

searching these vast areas
of fenlands is difficult.

So these friends of Holly's
parents have chosen an area

close to the 810 Cambridge Road
where the two girls

were reportedly last seen
yesterday morning.

-It's the helplessness,
but as long as

there's something to look for,
we just never give up hope.

-Well, it's been probably the
worst night so far, last night.

We've had and experienced
friends and family

searching in ditches.

-But the police had no luck.

The search for Holly and Jessica
continued for over a week,

but it seemed as though
they just vanished off

the face of the earth.

On the 15th of August, 11 days
after the girls went missing,

Sky News decided
to retrace their steps,

which meant interviewing
the last person to see them,

local school caretaker
Ian Huntley,

the boyfriend of Holly and
Jessica's classroom assistant,

Maxine Carr.

-It's 6:15 p.m.

The timeline
on that Sunday night,

the 4th of August,
puts the girls here,

right in the fourth quarter
of the Village College,

the local education center.

We know they've been to
the sports center just across

the road a few minutes before
to buy some sweets

and were carrying on
walking through

what would've been
very familiar territory.

Their primary school,
St. Andrew's,

is just across the back
of the Village College here.

How do we know
they were here at 6:15?

Well, we have an eyewitness.

Ian Huntley here
is a familiar figure.

Evening, Ian.

You're the school caretaker.

The girls, Jessica and Holly,
would know you,

and they saw you
on the front doorstep.

What went on?

-Well, the --
I don't know the girls.

And I stood on the front
doorstep grooming my dog down.

She had run away and come back
a bit of a mess.

They just came across and asked
how Ms. Carr was,

as she used to teach them
at St. Andrew's,

and I just said she weren't very
good as she hadn't got the job.

And they just says, "Please
tell her that we're very sorry,"

and after,
walked in the direction

of the library over there.

-And you may, as it turned out,
have been the last person

to actually chat to them
before they vanished.

-Yeah, that's what
it seems like.

-Huntley looked like
an unassuming,

ordinary little bloke

with a soft voice
that wouldn't hurt a fly.

-He was a slight,
withdrawn sort of character,

but at the time,
he seemed reasonably credible.

It seemed like a credible story.

That's where the girls
would've walked,

so when I talked to him,
I had an open mind.

I certainly, at the time,
wasn't thinking,

"This is the guy
that's done them harm."

-Maxine Carr was also keen
to appear on camera.

-We interviewed her
in the middle of the village

and got her to tell us about
her relationship with the girls.

-They were ever so funny,
brilliant and kind to everybody.

They wouldn't say a bad word
about anybody,

and they loved their families
and everything,

which is why nobody believes
that they would ever run away.

They was very close
to all their family.

This is something
I'll probably keep

for the rest of my life,
I think.

It's what Holly gave me
on the last day of term.

She was very upset, and that's
the kind of girl she was.

She was just lovely,
really lovely.

-In the conversation,
we realized,

a few minutes afterwards,

she spoke about the girls
in the past tense.

When I was talking to her live,
it didn't really occur to me.

But a couple of minutes
afterwards when we said,

"Thanks very much,"
and she walked off,

and my producer said,
"Just play that tape again.

I'm sure she was talking about
the girls in the past tense."

-They was very close
to all their family,

and that's the kind of girl
she was.

-We thought, "That's strange,"

and that certainly got
our alarm bells ringing.

-Huntley's unusual interest
in the case and Maxine's TV

interview raised suspicion
among investigators.

On Friday, the 16th of August,

12 days after the disappearance
of Holly and Jessica,

police brought the pair in
for questioning

while forensic experts
began to search their home

and Soham Village College
where Huntley worked.

-It's commonplace now,
and indeed,

it was commonplace
even in 2002 for the police

to take an intense interest
in bystanders and onlookers

at crime scenes.

It's true in arson.

It's true in murder, and indeed,
it is fairly familiar

and, indeed, even was then
that they always look at

who volunteers
to search for a body,

whether it's the body
of a child or an adult.

Often, the perpetrator is among
the searchers,

not without exception,

but often because they want
to admire their own handiwork.

-Could it be the person
responsible for Holly

and Jessica's disappearance

had been under the noses
of detectives from day one?

On the 16th of August, 2002,
12 days after the disappearance

of 10-year-old schoolgirls
Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman,

local caretaker Ian Huntley
and his girlfriend, Maxine Carr,

had been taken in
for questioning by police.

Interviews given by the pair
on Sky News

had roused the suspicions
of detectives.

-We were starting to think,
"Wow.

These two people
really could be involved

in something to do
with these girls.

They're close enough to it.

They've clearly aroused
police suspicion at this stage."

-But after just 7 hours,
they were released

when Carr provided Huntley
with an alibi.

She claimed she was with him
in their home

on the night
of the girls' disappearance.

-It wasn't until about
10:00 or 11:00 at night

that we heard
that police released them,

which we found interesting,

and I'd got a phone number
from Maxine Carr.

I thought,
"Well, worth a gamble.

I'll just ring and see
if I get through to them."

And extraordinarily enough,
I did.

I got straight through
to Maxine Carr, and I said,

"I gather you've been
interviewed by the police.

What happened?
How are you?"

She said, "Well, we're fine.

I can't tell you
anything about it,

but it's all all right."

Huntley then grabbed
the phone off her,

and I guess wanted to end
the conversation quickly,

so he said, "Well, thanks
for ringing. Yeah, we're fine.

Nothing to report.

The police have let us go.

Nothing going on.
Thanks a lot.

Thanks for ringing.
Bye."

-Once Huntley and Carr
had been questioned,

further searches were
carried out at their home

and at Huntley's place of work,
Soham Village College.

-It was quite clear
as we tracked back

that something had happened
on the Friday night

during the interviews
with Huntley and Carr.

It had triggered
further searches,

and because
they suddenly saw Huntley

as perhaps the key figure here,

they went back
over his territory,

his home and his workplace,

and it was then that they began
to find evidence

that he had abducted the girls.

-On the 17th of August,

investigators got their biggest
breakthrough in the case yet.

In the bins at the school
where Huntley worked,

they found the burnt remains
of two football shirts,

track-suit bottoms,
shoes and some underwear.

Forensic expert Peter Lamb
identified the clothes

as those belonging
to Holly and Jessica.

-One of the crucial items
in this particular case

was the tops that the
little girls were last seen in.

These were unusual,
and this helped us

tremendously to build up
a picture of the types of fibers

that it would be easy
for us to find.

-Whenever two human beings
interact,

there is an exchange
of material,

be that something as tiny as DNA
up to something less subtle,

like a fiber, up to saliva
or bodily fluids, blood.

We leave a mark on each other,

and no matter how hard one tries
to destroy all of that evidence,

there will usually
be something left to say

that the two people
have been interacting.

There is this constant
interaction of material

that allows forensic scientists
to draw conclusions

and ultimately to come up
with very strong evidence

that places one person in
one place with another person

and builds the case.

-Forensic scientist Peter Lamb
had the girls' clothes,

but now he had to link them
forensically to Ian Huntley,

and it didn't take long.

-During the examination
of the items from the bin,

I found five human head hairs.

These head hairs were compared
with Holly's hair

and Jessica's hair.

They didn't match
either of those two,

but they did match
Ian Huntley's hair.

-This vital evidence
led to the arrest of both

Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr
on the very same day,

the 17th of August, on suspicion
of abduction and murder.

When Carr had previously
been questioned by police,

she had provided Huntley
with an alibi, but she'd lied.

She admitted that, on the night
Holly and Jessica were murdered,

she was in Grimsby,
110 miles from Soham.

-In the last few hours,
a 28-year-old man

and a 25-year-old woman
have been arrested.

The 28-year-old man
has been arrested for the murder

and abduction of Holly Wells
and Jessica Chapman.

The 25-year-old woman

has been arrested
for the murder of both girls.

They've been taken to separate
police stations

in Cambridgeshire
where they will be interviewed.

-Huntley and Carr's former
neighbor, Morisa Gibb,

was completely shocked.

-When they got him
as a suspect,

I didn't think
he would be that type

because he's always
wanted children.

When my godchildren came round
or my niece or my nephew

used to play with him
in the back tent fort,

everything,
and I didn't see him

to be the type to do it
unto the two young girls.

It made me upset really because

that could've been
my godchildren.

That could've been my niece
or my nephew.

He could've done it then,
you know, killed them.

But it did upset me,
and for Maxine

to stay by his side,
that scared me a little bit

because I knew
she's always wanted children.

And I thought,
"I'm glad they haven't got

any children themselves.

So what would've happened
if they did have children?"

-And as the day went on came

the news the whole world
had been dreading.

Burnt human remains
had been found in a ditch

near an air base
at Mildenhall in Suffolk.

The following day,
August the 18th,

the police updated the press.

-It is with great sadness

that I have to tell you
the following news.

It may be some days yet before
we are able

to positively identify
the two bodies found at Common

Drove near Lakenheath
in Suffolk yesterday lunchtime.

However, we are certain
as we possibly can be tonight

that they are those of
Holly and Jessica.

-A team of experts,
including me, went to the ditch,

and we found that it was
the bodies of two little girls,

and it was then that we began
to carefully excavate the area,

looking for any clues
who might have put them there

and what had actually
happened to them.

Within the ditch
whilst we were searching,

we found various items,
which led us to believe,

even before we'd done
any DNA testing,

that these were the bodies
of Holly and Jessica.

In particular, we found part
of the pocket

of the track-suit bottoms

that one of them was wearing,
part of the little plastic logo

off the side
of the track-suit bottoms

and also a piece of jewelry

which belonged
to one of the two girls.

-This isolated spot is about
10 miles

from the where
the two girls disappeared,

and for the moment, the army of
press from around the world

covering the police inquiry
are being kept well away.

-When you're live on air,

the thing is
to keep broadcasting.

I mean, the news that bodies
have been found was dreadful,

and it was all
the worst we'd feared,

but we knew that a lot of people
had been following this story

on-air like everybody else.

You know, your hearts sink when
you realize the reality of it,

but it's much later
when you finally come off air

that you kind of go,

"That's just awful. I mean,
what a terrible, terrible waste

and what a terrible tragedy
for this family,

for those little girls,

for a village that was really,
really torn apart."

-It was now officially
a murder investigation.

Forensic experts had to find
as much evidence as they could,

but the remains
were badly damaged.

If the bodies couldn't provide
any clues,

perhaps the deposition site may,

but finding any small traces
of evidence at the vast air base

was like looking for a needle
in a haystack.

To help hone in on exactly where
the killer

may have entered the ditch
with the bodies,

the police called
on botanical ecologist

Professor Patricia Wiltshire.

-It's a strange place.

There are a series of drove
roads in this part.

It's near Lakenheath Air Base.

You're on the Breckland
sands there.

That's the soil.

When it gets wet, it gets very,
very muddy and horrible.

So what the farmers do,
they get crushed up shells,

and they put them along a track,
so as we drove along the track,

it was all crunchy with shells
and then stopped,

and beyond that was
the Breckland sand.

What is very interesting is that
the girls were found in a ditch

just where the shells stopped.

The police
were flummoxed really.

So they said, "Where did
he enter the ditch?"

It was obvious to me because
a lot of the nettles

had gone through
corrective growth.

They'd been flattened,
but they'd grown up

and corrected themselves,

and so I said to the police,
"Well, here it is."

And when they looked
at that pathway,

they found Jessica's hair
on a twig,

so they knew that's where
he had entered the ditch.

It's quite important because
then they can do their fingertip

searching in appropriate places.

-Now investigators needed
to prove that Huntley

was the person who had deposited
the girls' bodies in the ditch.

Again, the surrounding
environment

at the deposition site
held the key.

-When I looked at
the burnt clothing,

it had masses of evidence

that matched the vegetation
in the ditch.

There were alder trees

and all sorts of other things
growing over the ditch,

and there were alder fruits
and pine grains,

all sorts of things embedded
in the clothing

that were from that ditch,
and it showed

that the girls were clothed
when he put them in the ditch,

so he must have taken
the clothes off

while they were in the ditch.

-Further searches at Huntley's
home revealed that his house

and car had recently
been meticulously cleaned.

Officers who interviewed Huntley
a day after the girls

went missing also reported
a strong smell

of a lemon-y cleaning product
coming from the house.

-Not only did we examine
the carpets, upholstery

and items within the house,

but we were also given
the contents of vacuum cleaners

that Mr. Huntley had access to.

By the use of these
vacuum cleaners,

it's likely that
some of these fibers

would've been distributed
throughout the house,

so not only had
they been removed

but also distributed as well,

and so there wasn't just
one particular location

in which we found the fibers
from the girls' clothing.

They were found downstairs,

upstairs and in the bathroom
as well.

-We had quite a lot of exhibits
from Huntley's belongings,

but his car, he'd carefully
changed the tires.

He'd washed it.

What he forgot was that
the chassis had picked up soil.

The chunks of soil had
the same profile

as where he'd put the girls.

-What investigators really
needed was DNA proof

that the girls had been
in Huntley's house,

but there was none to be found.

-It was unusual not to find
any DNA evidence whatsoever

if the girls had been
within Mr. Huntley's house.

I now understand that it may be
that Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr

cleaned the house thoroughly
using solutions of bleach,

and that type of cleaning
may account for the fact

that no DNA was ever found
within the property.

-Prosecutors still felt
they had enough evidence

to convince the jury
that Ian Huntley had abducted

and murdered Holly Wells
and Jessica Chapman.

On April the 16th, 2003,

Huntley pleaded not guilty
at a hearing at the Old Bailey.

It meant the families would have
to suffer through a trial,

which was set
for the 3rd of November.

The whole world wanted justice
for the two girls.

Huntley was charged with
the murders

of Holly Wells
and Jessica Chapman and Carr

with perverting
the course of justice

and assisting an offender.

Both had pleaded not guilty.

The world was watching.

The lead prosecutor on the case,
Karim Khalil,

had received new information
from the defense team.

-The initial defense position,

up until about a month
before the trial,

was that he had nothing
whatsoever to do

with the death
of these two girls.

About a month
before the hearing,

his position changed,

and we were informed
by his counsel that, in fact,

he would accept that the two
girls had gone to College Close

and that they had died
whilst in that property

and that he had taken them
to the area

which became known
as the deposition site

where the bodies
were eventually found.

What we were not informed about
was what Huntley would say

about the actual death
of the two girls

and how that had come about.

-The reason that I think
Ian Huntley is so terrifying

is because of this
chameleon-like

quality that he's got.

He's able to roll out
a performance

to whatever audience
he's in front of,

so it's that ability to create
that veneer of normality,

that facade of normality,

and I think,
behind closed doors,

yeah, he really was a monster
in the making.

-On the 25th of November,
Huntley spoke in court.

He proceeded to give
an extraordinary explanation

of how Holly and Jessica
had died.

-Part of Huntley's story
was that the first child

had fallen into the bath,
having a nosebleed.

She had died without really
any involvement on his part.

And the second child he had held
around the mouth with his hand

because she was screaming,
and he was anxious that others

shouldn't be disturbed
and to settle her down,

and that was going
to be his account.

A suggestion by Ian Huntley
that he didn't mean to kill

those girls
I regard as preposterous.

Two fit and healthy
10-year-olds,

it just seemed inconceivable

that their death
could've been caused by anyone

other than the person
intent on causing their death.

-The prosecution argued that,
minutes before seeing the girls,

Huntley had had a furious
telephone argument with Carr

as he suspected her
of cheating on him.

He then saw the girls,
lured them to his house

and killed them
in a jealous rage.

-We can only speculate about
why Huntley killed the two.

It's too horrifying
to contemplate what might

or might not have happened,
and I feel that so strongly

because of Holly
and Jessica's parents.

It cannot be anything
but torture

to imagine what might have
happened to your daughter

at the hands of Huntley.

-Sky News presenter
Jeremy Thompson,

who had interviewed
Huntley and Carr on camera

before they were arrested,
testified during the trial.

-I got a call from the police
saying,

"Yes, please, we would like you
to be a witness

in the murder trial
of Ian Huntley."

And so I've been in
the Old Bailey plenty of times,

sitting in the press benches,
but for the very first time,

I was in the witness box.

It's intimidating,
being in the witness box,

particularly at the Old Bailey

because it's got a venerable
and weighty atmosphere.

But then I look down.

There's Huntley looking up at me

as well with
a fairly blank face,

a fairly deadpan face,

but who knows
what he was thinking?

He was probably thinking,
"I wish I hadn't done

that interview with you.
I might have given myself away."

Who knows?
-I think, for Ian Huntley,

that interview
on live television news

was the high point of his life.

He was absolutely loving
every minute of this.

He's completely 100 percent
in control.

Nobody knows what's going on.

He's the only one who knows
exactly what happened,

and that makes him
feel incredibly powerful.

-On the 3rd of December, 2003,
Maxine Carr took the stand.

She admitted she had lied
about being with Huntley

on the day of the murder
and was, in fact, in Grimsby.

She argued if she'd known of
Huntley's murderous actions,

she would never have lied
to protect him.

-I think the media saw
Maxine Carr as a bit of a target

because she was employed
as a teaching assistant.

She was supposed to be somebody
who cared for and nurtured

and looked after children.

You've got to remember
Ian Huntley

was the one
who carried out these murders.

He was the one who made
these decisions,

and Maxine Carr,
looking back on it now,

it's clear that she was
another one of his victims.

-Huntley's defense
was falling apart.

Investigators had proved he
tried to cover up his actions,

and there was a vast amount
of forensic evidence

linking him to the girls.

-We had a large number
of transfers of fibers.

We had fibers transferred
from Mr. Huntley's clothing

and his home
to the track-suit bottoms.

We had hairs from Mr. Huntley

transferred to the items
of clothing of the girls,

and in total,

we had 154 transfers
of one-way and two-way types.

-It took the jury just 5 days
of deliberation

to reach a verdict.

They refused to believe
Huntley's explanation

of the accidental killings.

On December the 17th, 2003,

Ian Huntley was found guilty
of the murders of Holly Wells

and Jessica Chapman
by a majority vote.

Huntley was given two life
sentences by the judge,

Mr. Justice Moses,

and was immediately sent
to Belmarsh Prison.

Two years after the trial,
in September 2005,

it was recommended that Huntley
should serve 40 years

as a minimum.

-I think Ian Huntley
would like to think

that he was
a master manipulator,

but I don't think he had the
correct level of social skills

to be able to get away
with a crime like this.

I think he became a victim of
his own narcissism in the end.

He literally just couldn't
help himself

in putting himself in front
of the television cameras,

so he was never going
to get away with this,

and I think he very much enjoyed
his 15 minutes of fame.

-Maxine Carr was found guilty
of perverting

the course of justice

but not guilty
of assisting an offender.

The court accepted that Carr
had only lied

to the police to protect Huntley

because she believed
his claims of innocence.

She was sentenced to 3 1/2 years

and immediately sent
to Holloway Prison.

In May 2004, Carr was released
and given a new identity.

-Well, I think she's a victim
as well

because I think
if she said anything,

he would've probably
killed her as well,

and that's probably why
she kept quiet

because she was scared
of her own life.

Her sister spoke to me and said,

"Would you like to speak
to Maxine?"

I said, "Yeah,"
because she is a friend,

and I was there through thick

and thin with Ian Huntley,
and I did speak to her

a couple times on the phone,
and we wrote.

I wrote to her when she was
in prison and that,

and then it just all faded away.

-It's been over a decade
since the Soham murders,

and one question
still remains unanswered.

Why did Ian Huntley carry out
these senseless killings?

-There's only one person
who knows what happened,

and because he chose
to give the account he did

and has given no other,

we will never be certain
as to what precisely did occur.

One only hopes that, one day,
Huntley's conscience

will allow him
to tell us what really happened.

-He kept himself together
pretty well through nearly

2 weeks of investigation,
of police interviews,

of media interviews like ours,
so he didn't fall apart.

He didn't act crazy.

He certainly seemed to know
what he was doing in covering up

a crime that, at the time,
only he knew about it,

and I would question those
aren't the actions of a madman,

just someone who's very cold
and calculating.

-Ian is so secretive.

You will never find out
what he did to the girls

and why he did it because he's,

like, somewhat within a ball,
and he won't come out that ball.

You'll never know
until the day he dies.

You'll never know what he did
to them girls.

-Huntley was able to leave
his dark past in Grimsby

behind just by moving away
from the area,

but as a direct response
to the Soham murders,

the Police National Database
was launched in 2011,

which transformed
the way information is shared

between forces across the U.K.,

and a new child-protection
scheme was set up

to help prevent such a tragedy
ever taking place again.

-Well, I think the most
positive thing

to come out of the case
is simply that the government

then tightened laws
on employment with children,

you know, to work in schools
or work in any areas

where children are involved.

Hopefully, they've closed up
the loopholes,

so an Ian Huntley,
with his past record,

which hadn't come to light,
now that wouldn't happen again.

-Huntley's house, 5 College
Close,

where Holly Wells
and Jessica Chapman

spent their last moments,
was demolished in 2004,

but for some, the memories
of the Soham murders

cannot be erased.

-It still upsets me
because I'm a mother.

I'm a grandma and everything,

and it's just the fact
it could've been my family.

Even though it's not
your children,

it's still mother instinct.

It's children.

-Cases like this
are quite rare,

and the thing
that always sticks out

is that children are involved.

And this case, I think,
perhaps gained more notoriety

simply because
two innocent little girls,

two pretty little girls who'd
gone out from a family barbecue

to buy some sweets
and never came back.

Anybody who had kids
would've thought,

"Ah, there but for
the grace of God go our family."

When it can happen in Soham,
it means it can happen anywhere,

everywhere.

-For 13 days in August 2002,

the British public went
through a range of emotions

during the search for Holly
Wells and Jessica Chapman,

from shock to hope
and finally to sorrow,

but over a decade on,

it's important we remember the
victims and their loved ones,

not Ian Huntley, one of
the world's most evil killers.

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