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A big guy. 2 00:00:12,081 --> 00:00:15,601 So, these others got together, and killed the man. 3 00:00:15,705 --> 00:00:17,255 McElroy's wife, Trena, 4 00:00:17,362 --> 00:00:19,882 says she knows who killed her husband, 5 00:00:19,985 --> 00:00:21,605 but police refuse to act. 6 00:00:21,711 --> 00:00:24,781 Investigators say, her story does not check out. 7 00:00:24,886 --> 00:00:27,336 I know that there are people who know 8 00:00:27,441 --> 00:00:28,961 who shot Ken McElroy. 9 00:00:29,063 --> 00:00:31,763 But, in all those years, 10 00:00:31,859 --> 00:00:35,069 no one has ever talked. 11 00:00:37,623 --> 00:00:39,423 You're absolutely positive, 12 00:00:39,522 --> 00:00:40,732 it was Del Clement who shot your husband-- 13 00:00:40,833 --> 00:00:42,633 Yes, I seen him shoot it. 14 00:00:42,732 --> 00:00:45,702 Sure, I believe her. No reason not to. 15 00:00:45,804 --> 00:00:49,084 People's afraid to say what they seen. 16 00:00:49,187 --> 00:00:52,537 'Cause they're afraid what's gonna happen to them and their family. 17 00:00:54,157 --> 00:00:58,777 Why did the grand jury not believe Mrs. McElroy? 18 00:00:58,886 --> 00:01:00,296 I do not have an answer. 19 00:01:00,405 --> 00:01:03,505 Trena is a liar. That's my complaint. 20 00:01:03,615 --> 00:01:05,645 I believe that there was a major cover up here. 21 00:01:05,755 --> 00:01:08,475 Not only by law enforcement, and all the people in that town. 22 00:01:08,585 --> 00:01:11,415 No one talked. Everyone stuck together. 23 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,489 They went in. They had a town meeting, they all sat down together, 24 00:01:14,591 --> 00:01:17,221 they decided that they were gonna do it. And they done it. 25 00:01:17,318 --> 00:01:19,768 They're not gonna do anything in that county. 26 00:01:25,499 --> 00:01:27,639 Because there was a question about 27 00:01:27,742 --> 00:01:29,092 whether there was a conspiracy 28 00:01:29,192 --> 00:01:30,372 to kill McElroy, 29 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:32,259 and the Sheriff was present, 30 00:01:32,368 --> 00:01:35,268 it was necessary for the federal government to investigate. 31 00:01:35,371 --> 00:01:37,241 I know the Sheriff and them were involved. 32 00:01:37,338 --> 00:01:39,128 I don't care what anyone has to say, 33 00:01:39,237 --> 00:01:42,647 whether it ever comes to light, I know they were involved. 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,074 Watch any video online with Open-SUBTITLES Free Browser extension: osdb.link/ext 35 00:02:47,028 --> 00:02:50,518 I have no sympathy for Ken Rex, 36 00:02:52,033 --> 00:02:54,553 or what he had in his head. 37 00:02:57,936 --> 00:03:00,726 He scared this poor community, half to death, 38 00:03:02,043 --> 00:03:04,563 to the point that they felt they had no alternative, 39 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:07,357 to do other than what they did. 40 00:03:11,432 --> 00:03:14,372 Did they have an alternative? 41 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:16,780 I guess, we all have alternatives. 42 00:03:18,059 --> 00:03:19,479 But, I certainly, 43 00:03:19,578 --> 00:03:21,198 having lived within the county, 44 00:03:21,304 --> 00:03:22,964 during the time that he was 45 00:03:23,064 --> 00:03:25,034 seen as a menace to the county, 46 00:03:25,135 --> 00:03:28,235 and feeling some of the things that I did... 47 00:03:28,794 --> 00:03:30,284 I carried a gun 48 00:03:30,382 --> 00:03:33,422 to protect myself, and my family, during that time. 49 00:03:33,523 --> 00:03:36,223 I never have, at other times. 50 00:03:37,941 --> 00:03:40,501 So, he brought out the worst in me. 51 00:03:42,636 --> 00:03:45,046 So, he may have been guilty, 52 00:03:45,155 --> 00:03:48,465 but they were guilty, as well. 53 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:50,820 They were guilty of 54 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,960 being vigilantes. 55 00:04:04,313 --> 00:04:05,693 Hello. 56 00:04:05,797 --> 00:04:06,827 Yeah, Bruce? 57 00:04:06,936 --> 00:04:10,246 Kirby Goslee, how you doing? 58 00:04:12,735 --> 00:04:15,565 Um, could I get a key to the museum? 59 00:04:20,052 --> 00:04:22,372 Oh, there's the wasps. 60 00:04:26,404 --> 00:04:27,784 These aren't too bad. 61 00:04:27,888 --> 00:04:31,238 The ones that are yellow and black striped, 62 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:33,550 They'll keep stinging you. 63 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:36,451 You stay back. 64 00:04:42,868 --> 00:04:45,868 Now, watch out for that snake. 65 00:04:52,809 --> 00:04:55,849 Well, we're in the old Skidmore Depot, 66 00:04:55,950 --> 00:04:58,990 which, uh, when they shut the train down, 67 00:04:59,091 --> 00:05:02,851 they decided to make a museum, out of this building. 68 00:05:04,269 --> 00:05:05,789 Around 1870, 69 00:05:05,891 --> 00:05:08,721 Marteny Skidmore founded the town. 70 00:05:09,585 --> 00:05:11,995 And the railroad was here. 71 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:15,323 And he put up a grist mill, 72 00:05:16,143 --> 00:05:17,563 and once you had that, 73 00:05:17,662 --> 00:05:20,042 then you could have everything else. 74 00:05:21,459 --> 00:05:25,459 Small town living, that's how we all started. 75 00:05:25,566 --> 00:05:26,876 Small town community, 76 00:05:26,981 --> 00:05:29,711 everybody knew everybody, and... 77 00:05:29,812 --> 00:05:32,572 I think that everybody, pretty much, loved everybody. 78 00:05:32,677 --> 00:05:34,367 You don't have to worry about 79 00:05:34,472 --> 00:05:35,712 your door being locked. 80 00:05:35,818 --> 00:05:37,228 You didn't have to worry about 81 00:05:37,337 --> 00:05:38,857 someone stealing your car. 82 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:41,789 You didn't have to worry about any of that. 83 00:05:41,893 --> 00:05:46,043 Small towns, embody the American dream. 84 00:05:47,001 --> 00:05:49,801 But, there's also a dark side. 85 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:59,260 If we go back, in Nodaway County history, 86 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,739 and you look at Skidmore, 87 00:06:01,844 --> 00:06:04,504 they always did their own thing. 88 00:06:05,537 --> 00:06:07,677 They wanted to be independent... 89 00:06:07,781 --> 00:06:10,651 and unfortunately, 90 00:06:11,992 --> 00:06:15,792 there was a culture of violence in the area. 91 00:06:19,344 --> 00:06:22,694 Raymond Gunn lived here, in Nodaway County. 92 00:06:22,796 --> 00:06:25,696 And there was a school teacher 93 00:06:25,799 --> 00:06:28,149 in the area, that was hit on the head, 94 00:06:28,249 --> 00:06:31,109 and killed, as she was working, 95 00:06:31,218 --> 00:06:32,938 after school. 96 00:06:33,772 --> 00:06:36,052 And Raymond Gunn was the one 97 00:06:36,154 --> 00:06:37,984 charged with that death. 98 00:06:38,087 --> 00:06:40,847 And Raymond had a history. He had already been arrested, 99 00:06:40,952 --> 00:06:44,512 and convicted, of an assault against a female student. 100 00:06:44,611 --> 00:06:45,961 So, when things would happen, 101 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:49,240 he was the first one they would turn to. 102 00:06:49,339 --> 00:06:50,509 Here, you have a black man, 103 00:06:50,617 --> 00:06:51,997 tied to the murder of 104 00:06:52,101 --> 00:06:53,451 a white school teacher, 105 00:06:53,551 --> 00:06:56,551 whether he was guilty of the crime, or not. 106 00:06:56,657 --> 00:06:58,067 That was probably enough 107 00:06:58,176 --> 00:06:59,346 for them to decide 108 00:06:59,453 --> 00:07:01,183 what they wanted to do. 109 00:07:03,043 --> 00:07:06,633 That morning, he was being taken to the courthouse, 110 00:07:06,736 --> 00:07:08,636 to be charged with the murder. 111 00:07:08,738 --> 00:07:11,088 And there's this huge crowd gathered, 112 00:07:11,189 --> 00:07:14,989 and the Sheriff pulls right into the middle of that. 113 00:07:17,126 --> 00:07:19,156 He delivered the man to the mob. 114 00:07:19,266 --> 00:07:21,026 That's all I can say. 115 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:23,300 A group of vigilantes 116 00:07:23,408 --> 00:07:25,758 took him from the Sheriff's control, 117 00:07:25,859 --> 00:07:29,309 and paraded him through the countryside, 118 00:07:29,414 --> 00:07:32,244 They took him through fences, 119 00:07:32,348 --> 00:07:34,968 hedgerows, and everything else. 120 00:07:35,075 --> 00:07:37,965 My granddad and my uncle was up there, 121 00:07:38,078 --> 00:07:40,598 when they broke him out of jail. 122 00:07:43,566 --> 00:07:45,046 Then, they took him out there, 123 00:07:45,154 --> 00:07:47,264 and chained him up on top of the school house. 124 00:07:47,363 --> 00:07:49,993 They cut holes in the roof of the school house, 125 00:07:50,090 --> 00:07:52,890 that they could then, put his legs through. 126 00:07:52,989 --> 00:07:55,269 Then, chained his feet together, 127 00:07:55,371 --> 00:08:00,031 and then poured gasoline, and other flammables, on the school, 128 00:08:00,134 --> 00:08:01,904 and him. 129 00:08:03,172 --> 00:08:05,762 And set the whole thing on fire. 130 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:08,800 Burned him up. 131 00:08:10,973 --> 00:08:13,773 You can't see someone be tortured, like that, 132 00:08:13,872 --> 00:08:17,082 be burned alive, be publicly killed, like that. 133 00:08:17,186 --> 00:08:19,396 and think there will be no consequence. 134 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:23,229 It creates real, psychological damage. 135 00:08:27,161 --> 00:08:29,341 It was a black day, for our county. 136 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:33,439 That they did what they did to this poor man. 137 00:08:33,547 --> 00:08:36,547 It was a horrible, horrible thing. 138 00:08:36,654 --> 00:08:40,554 I suppose, the people felt it was necessary, at the time. 139 00:08:41,382 --> 00:08:42,942 We live in a civilized country, 140 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,249 we're supposed to abide by laws, 141 00:08:45,352 --> 00:08:48,912 let the legal system run its course. 142 00:08:49,011 --> 00:08:50,911 But, that's the history of our country. 143 00:08:51,013 --> 00:08:53,053 You get enough people riled up, 144 00:08:53,153 --> 00:08:56,433 and they're going to go do vigilante stuff. 145 00:08:57,709 --> 00:09:01,199 I would think, often, that with vigilantes, 146 00:09:01,299 --> 00:09:02,919 it's a frustration, 147 00:09:03,025 --> 00:09:05,225 that justice is not going to administer 148 00:09:05,337 --> 00:09:07,687 a type of punishment that would be appropriate 149 00:09:07,788 --> 00:09:10,518 to whatever the crime is. 150 00:09:10,619 --> 00:09:12,689 Then again, I think there are others who just 151 00:09:12,793 --> 00:09:15,693 love the opportunity to be mean. 152 00:09:18,419 --> 00:09:21,039 That's these people's ancestors. 153 00:09:21,146 --> 00:09:23,696 It's a legacy that's been passed down 154 00:09:23,804 --> 00:09:26,434 towards vigilante violence. 155 00:09:26,531 --> 00:09:28,951 It's you saying, "I'm independent, 156 00:09:29,051 --> 00:09:30,541 I'm going to solve my crimes, 157 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:32,019 and I'm going to do it my way, 158 00:09:32,123 --> 00:09:34,783 and then, when it's done, I'm sure it's done." 159 00:09:38,647 --> 00:09:40,647 That's the legacy. 160 00:09:40,752 --> 00:09:44,762 That-- Skidmore is born on. 161 00:10:01,221 --> 00:10:03,781 One of the things I really enjoy here, 162 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:05,779 are the birds. 163 00:10:06,571 --> 00:10:08,021 We have a lot of bald eagles, 164 00:10:08,124 --> 00:10:11,374 and a lot of great blue herons. 165 00:10:12,819 --> 00:10:16,129 Beautiful woodland country. 166 00:10:16,236 --> 00:10:20,066 I'm kind of a woodsy guy, I--I want to be in the woods, 167 00:10:20,171 --> 00:10:23,071 a long way from everybody else. 168 00:10:25,486 --> 00:10:27,316 In Skidmore, 169 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:30,909 and, I'm sure, many of the other little towns, too, 170 00:10:31,009 --> 00:10:33,699 it depends on which family you belong to. 171 00:10:33,805 --> 00:10:35,835 What your last name is. 172 00:10:35,945 --> 00:10:39,775 If you're not a member of a certain family, 173 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,990 you've got a problem. 174 00:10:42,987 --> 00:10:44,887 I was an outsider. 175 00:10:44,989 --> 00:10:48,199 I did not have any family, there. 176 00:10:50,477 --> 00:10:54,957 I met Britt, I believe, the Fall of 1970. 177 00:10:55,068 --> 00:10:57,798 He was, uh, the first man I'd ever met, 178 00:10:57,898 --> 00:11:00,278 out of the jungle of Vietnam. 179 00:11:00,383 --> 00:11:02,353 He had a lot of pain, 180 00:11:02,454 --> 00:11:04,874 that he tried hiding, as well as he could. 181 00:11:04,974 --> 00:11:08,434 But, I heard him sing, for the first time, 182 00:11:08,529 --> 00:11:11,739 and I was absolutely amazed. 183 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:17,019 โ™ช Ooh! 184 00:11:20,783 --> 00:11:23,233 โ™ช I need your lovin'... 185 00:11:23,337 --> 00:11:25,057 When I came back from Vietnam, 186 00:11:25,167 --> 00:11:28,097 I had, uh, three guys waiting for me 187 00:11:28,204 --> 00:11:29,654 to play in a band with them. 188 00:11:29,758 --> 00:11:31,038 By the end of the summer, 189 00:11:31,138 --> 00:11:33,378 we had nine guys and a sound man. 190 00:11:33,485 --> 00:11:37,105 And the name of our band was Festival. 191 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,640 We started the group in 1973, 192 00:11:49,743 --> 00:11:51,683 and when we started, 193 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:54,060 Oh! Boy, we were going to hit big. 194 00:11:54,161 --> 00:11:57,481 We ended up performing for 27 years, 195 00:11:57,578 --> 00:11:59,298 across the United States. 196 00:11:59,408 --> 00:12:03,168 And we were located in Skidmore. 197 00:12:03,274 --> 00:12:05,594 Well, in '81, we bought this farm, 198 00:12:05,690 --> 00:12:07,310 and it was great. 199 00:12:07,416 --> 00:12:10,036 Three hundred acres, we had a lot of room to run around. 200 00:12:10,143 --> 00:12:12,013 You could run around naked, out there. 201 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:13,940 There was nobody there. 202 00:12:14,699 --> 00:12:16,739 We made no money. 203 00:12:16,839 --> 00:12:19,219 We just adopted that lifestyle 204 00:12:19,324 --> 00:12:22,124 of just sharing what we had. 205 00:12:23,432 --> 00:12:26,852 It was a, uh-- like a little commune. 206 00:12:26,953 --> 00:12:30,033 You know, community living. 207 00:12:30,128 --> 00:12:32,578 There was a lot of skepticism about him, 208 00:12:32,682 --> 00:12:36,032 by the community, when they first started up. 209 00:12:36,134 --> 00:12:38,414 Most of it was because a lot of older people 210 00:12:38,516 --> 00:12:42,276 viewed them as, maybe, a drug and alcohol thing. 211 00:12:43,624 --> 00:12:46,044 Free sex. Who knows what they thought. 212 00:12:46,144 --> 00:12:49,114 It was not the Manson family. 213 00:12:49,216 --> 00:12:51,766 It was a very nice family. 214 00:12:51,874 --> 00:12:54,294 It was an American family. 215 00:13:00,469 --> 00:13:02,369 When we came into town, 216 00:13:02,471 --> 00:13:04,961 we were really looked down upon. 217 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:07,720 People were very stand-offish to us, 218 00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:09,551 because we were hippies. 219 00:13:11,238 --> 00:13:14,928 You know, hippies. They didn't know what was going on, out there. 220 00:13:16,209 --> 00:13:19,009 They were suspicious of outsiders, yeah, 221 00:13:19,108 --> 00:13:22,008 because they knew the people that they knew. 222 00:13:22,111 --> 00:13:24,081 I'd carry a double-barreled shotgun. 223 00:13:24,182 --> 00:13:27,982 and walk into town with it in my hand. 224 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:31,783 There were a couple-- couple families, that were 225 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,640 not friendly to us. 226 00:13:33,743 --> 00:13:37,853 Uh, but, they were not friendly to a lot of people. 227 00:13:40,474 --> 00:13:45,034 It was hard for outsiders to be accepted in Skidmore. 228 00:13:45,134 --> 00:13:46,864 And there were people that would move in, 229 00:13:46,964 --> 00:13:49,834 and just wouldn't fit in, so, they'd just move back out. 230 00:13:50,450 --> 00:13:52,040 I mean, back then, Skidmore was just 231 00:13:52,141 --> 00:13:55,011 a really close-knit place. 232 00:13:56,076 --> 00:13:58,006 I understand that, 233 00:13:58,113 --> 00:13:59,773 you feel he was a loving husband, 234 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:01,013 and a good man. 235 00:14:01,116 --> 00:14:03,216 But, those people in Skidmore, 236 00:14:03,325 --> 00:14:06,015 must have had some cause to fear him. 237 00:14:06,742 --> 00:14:08,122 I mean they just... 238 00:14:09,227 --> 00:14:11,197 they--they disliked him. 239 00:14:11,298 --> 00:14:12,888 For the reason, I don't know, 240 00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:14,960 I don't know if it was 'cause of jealousy. 241 00:14:15,061 --> 00:14:17,551 I don't know what the reason were. 242 00:14:19,306 --> 00:14:20,576 In this town, 243 00:14:20,687 --> 00:14:22,787 if you're not theirs, or from there, 244 00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:24,416 or they don't want you there, 245 00:14:24,518 --> 00:14:25,728 It's--I mean, 246 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:29,560 they are extremely racist, prejudiced people. 247 00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:32,221 And, they still think that it's OK, what took place. 248 00:14:32,319 --> 00:14:33,839 The mentality is still there. 249 00:14:33,942 --> 00:14:35,562 It's exactly the same. 250 00:14:35,667 --> 00:14:38,637 Their hate, their mentality, isn't just vigilante, 251 00:14:38,739 --> 00:14:40,159 it's just pure hate. 252 00:14:40,258 --> 00:14:42,668 If you did not fit, 253 00:14:42,778 --> 00:14:44,058 they did not want you there. 254 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:45,919 If you were not a part of who they were, 255 00:14:46,023 --> 00:14:49,473 what they were, then, you--you were an outsider. 256 00:14:49,578 --> 00:14:52,058 They think it's OK for them to do pretty much 257 00:14:52,167 --> 00:14:54,127 whatever they want, to whoever they want. 258 00:14:54,238 --> 00:14:55,548 It doesn't matter. 259 00:14:55,653 --> 00:14:57,623 It wouldn't matter if it was a child 260 00:14:57,724 --> 00:14:59,384 that came through that town. 261 00:14:59,484 --> 00:15:01,284 If it didn't belong there or they didn't want it there, 262 00:15:01,383 --> 00:15:03,663 they're going to do the same thing that they did to us there. 263 00:15:05,835 --> 00:15:08,865 This is the property, where Ken Rex McElroy grew up. 264 00:15:08,977 --> 00:15:13,567 Until it mysteriously burned, shortly after his death. 265 00:15:13,671 --> 00:15:15,921 McElroy's house was burned to the ground. 266 00:15:16,018 --> 00:15:18,608 Destroyed by arson. 267 00:15:20,678 --> 00:15:22,918 They just did that to run her 268 00:15:23,025 --> 00:15:25,055 and the kids out of here, get them out of here. 269 00:15:25,165 --> 00:15:27,955 And I think that was the cruelest thing, myself. 270 00:15:28,065 --> 00:15:29,715 People are scared. 271 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:32,972 My husband's other children, 272 00:15:33,070 --> 00:15:34,490 they've been shot at, 273 00:15:34,588 --> 00:15:38,968 and they're just scared to say anything about it. 274 00:15:39,076 --> 00:15:42,076 Somebody burned the house down. 275 00:15:42,907 --> 00:15:45,047 And then the kids, the law, 276 00:15:45,151 --> 00:15:48,361 harassed them, something bad. 277 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:51,611 Which was another 278 00:15:51,709 --> 00:15:54,399 terrible thing, as far as I'm concerned. 279 00:15:56,334 --> 00:15:57,924 But, you got to remember, 280 00:15:58,026 --> 00:15:59,816 the law was involved 281 00:15:59,924 --> 00:16:01,374 with this killing. 282 00:16:01,477 --> 00:16:03,617 It wasn't like, the Sheriff and the police 283 00:16:03,721 --> 00:16:05,831 did not know, were not made aware of, 284 00:16:05,930 --> 00:16:07,760 didn't know what was happening. 285 00:16:08,898 --> 00:16:10,828 They knew what was happening. 286 00:16:10,935 --> 00:16:13,135 I know they were involved. 287 00:16:23,534 --> 00:16:26,054 In rural communities, and small towns, 288 00:16:26,157 --> 00:16:28,017 virtually everyone knows everyone. 289 00:16:28,125 --> 00:16:31,125 And, so, people become frustrated. 290 00:16:31,231 --> 00:16:33,511 They want immediate justice. 291 00:16:33,613 --> 00:16:36,243 FBI agents came to town, dressed like farmers. 292 00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:39,340 And now, few will talk to outsiders, at all. 293 00:16:39,446 --> 00:16:42,376 The state investigation, was to determine 294 00:16:42,484 --> 00:16:46,014 who killed Ken McElroy. 295 00:16:46,108 --> 00:16:47,418 The federal investigation, 296 00:16:47,523 --> 00:16:50,293 was not to determine who committed the murder, 297 00:16:50,388 --> 00:16:53,148 but rather, whether the Sheriff 298 00:16:53,253 --> 00:16:55,883 was guilty of conspiracy or, actually, 299 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:57,910 using his position, 300 00:16:58,017 --> 00:16:59,667 to perpetrate the crime. 301 00:16:59,777 --> 00:17:02,917 Ken Rex McElroy, was murdered last July, 302 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,092 in a vigilante killing. 303 00:17:04,195 --> 00:17:05,845 With no one yet convicted, 304 00:17:05,955 --> 00:17:08,505 his widow wants justice done. 305 00:17:14,999 --> 00:17:16,519 I think that, 306 00:17:16,621 --> 00:17:19,001 if the cover up were true, what we would be seeing, 307 00:17:19,107 --> 00:17:20,557 is no investigation, whatsoever. 308 00:17:20,660 --> 00:17:22,490 And, quite the opposite, is correct. 309 00:17:24,388 --> 00:17:26,488 Initially, the investigation on Ken Rex McElroy, 310 00:17:26,597 --> 00:17:28,837 would be under the direction of the Sheriff. 311 00:17:28,944 --> 00:17:33,194 He makes the decision to activate the NOMIS Squad. 312 00:17:33,293 --> 00:17:34,363 At that point, 313 00:17:34,467 --> 00:17:36,537 NOMIS is leading the investigation 314 00:17:36,641 --> 00:17:38,511 for that short period of time. 315 00:17:39,575 --> 00:17:43,125 Shortly after Mr. McElroy's death, 316 00:17:43,234 --> 00:17:46,934 Mr. McFadin and Mrs. McElroy 317 00:17:47,031 --> 00:17:48,411 made contact with somebody 318 00:17:48,515 --> 00:17:50,405 on behalf of the Federal government, 319 00:17:50,517 --> 00:17:53,657 asking that the FBI run an investigation. 320 00:17:54,625 --> 00:17:56,345 The FBI was involved 321 00:17:56,454 --> 00:17:58,464 because there was a perception 322 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,390 by McElroy's widow, and by McElroy's attorney, 323 00:18:02,495 --> 00:18:05,495 that prompted the FBI to believe, potentially, 324 00:18:05,601 --> 00:18:08,711 that the Sheriff had committed a Federal crime. 325 00:18:14,783 --> 00:18:17,103 "Color of law" means, essentially, that, 326 00:18:17,199 --> 00:18:20,549 the law enforcement official, or public official, 327 00:18:20,651 --> 00:18:24,281 uses that position, to commit a crime. 328 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:26,900 Murders occur all the time, 329 00:18:27,002 --> 00:18:28,802 it doesn't mean it's a federal crime. 330 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,490 You cannot use the office that you hold, 331 00:18:31,593 --> 00:18:33,283 as a state law enforcement officer, 332 00:18:33,388 --> 00:18:36,808 to conspire to kill, or to kill, a citizen. 333 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:38,668 In this particular case, 334 00:18:38,772 --> 00:18:41,432 the issue was, was the Sheriff 335 00:18:41,534 --> 00:18:45,374 involved in a conspiracy to kill McElroy? 336 00:18:47,091 --> 00:18:50,921 Danny was the Sheriff, for a lot of years. 337 00:18:51,026 --> 00:18:53,436 He was a local boy, OK. 338 00:18:53,546 --> 00:18:56,926 He, and his twin, were both cops. 339 00:18:57,032 --> 00:18:58,792 Danny was the Sheriff. 340 00:18:58,896 --> 00:19:02,926 Lanny was with the Maryville Police Department, here. 341 00:19:03,038 --> 00:19:05,448 They were both, probably, six feet tall. 342 00:19:05,558 --> 00:19:08,598 Pretty good looking guys, really. 343 00:19:09,907 --> 00:19:12,387 Do you feel that everyone in Skidmore is as open with you 344 00:19:12,496 --> 00:19:13,636 as they could be? 345 00:19:13,738 --> 00:19:15,878 That's something that I can't tell. 346 00:19:18,812 --> 00:19:21,782 - Yes, you can. -No, I--I--that's something that I can't tell. 347 00:19:21,884 --> 00:19:24,164 That's, how do you say that, that, 348 00:19:24,266 --> 00:19:27,506 you are as open to me, as you would be, with anyone else? 349 00:19:27,614 --> 00:19:29,894 - That's a-- -Cause I get the feeling, right now, 350 00:19:29,996 --> 00:19:32,406 you're not being as open with me, as you could be. 351 00:19:32,516 --> 00:19:34,686 - That--it's an opinion. - It's a feeling I get. 352 00:19:34,794 --> 00:19:38,564 It's an opinion. And I--I'm not going to give an opinion. 353 00:19:39,695 --> 00:19:42,075 OK. Good. 354 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:44,111 It doesn't take a lot of credentials 355 00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:46,767 to be County Sheriff, in the state of Missouri. 356 00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:49,045 Think you get a gun permit, and then you go to, 357 00:19:49,153 --> 00:19:51,713 what's called, Law Enforcement class, for... 358 00:19:51,811 --> 00:19:55,091 a few hours, and you're given a certificate. 359 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,234 And, if you have that certificate, 360 00:19:57,334 --> 00:19:59,854 you can be a Deputy Sheriff, 361 00:19:59,957 --> 00:20:01,957 uh, in any county. 362 00:20:03,616 --> 00:20:05,996 I don't know how many shootings had occurred 363 00:20:06,101 --> 00:20:07,551 in Nodaway County, 364 00:20:07,654 --> 00:20:09,074 that Sheriff Estes investigated. 365 00:20:09,173 --> 00:20:11,733 I'm sure there were a few. Nothing like this. 366 00:20:11,831 --> 00:20:15,731 Where the whole town is involved. 367 00:20:15,835 --> 00:20:19,245 As far as the people, that's in this town, 368 00:20:19,356 --> 00:20:21,596 they were worse than McElroy. 369 00:20:23,601 --> 00:20:25,471 Worse than McElroy. 370 00:20:27,364 --> 00:20:28,474 If the law-- 371 00:20:28,572 --> 00:20:30,192 They aren't going to say anything. 372 00:20:30,298 --> 00:20:31,918 The law is going to be with them. 373 00:20:32,023 --> 00:20:35,303 I've often thought about that, with McElroy, 374 00:20:35,406 --> 00:20:37,096 and Estes. 375 00:20:37,201 --> 00:20:39,071 I've often thought about that. 376 00:20:39,168 --> 00:20:40,548 Were you at the scene? 377 00:20:40,653 --> 00:20:42,593 - At which time? - The scene of the crime. 378 00:20:42,689 --> 00:20:44,239 Yes, when it first took place. 379 00:20:44,346 --> 00:20:45,586 And, what did you see there? 380 00:20:45,692 --> 00:20:47,072 What did you find, when you arrived? 381 00:20:47,176 --> 00:20:49,766 Well, Mr. McElroy was sitting in the pick-up truck, 382 00:20:49,869 --> 00:20:52,009 in front of the, the, uh, tavern. 383 00:20:52,112 --> 00:20:57,332 So, if the Sheriff was involved in this dirt, 384 00:20:57,428 --> 00:21:00,328 this puts a whole new light on everything. 385 00:21:00,431 --> 00:21:02,501 Sheriff Danny Estes 386 00:21:02,606 --> 00:21:05,156 admitted, in interviews, 387 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,024 that he attended that meeting. 388 00:21:07,127 --> 00:21:09,097 They were having a meeting, 389 00:21:09,198 --> 00:21:10,578 and telling the Sheriff, 390 00:21:10,683 --> 00:21:12,893 you have to do something about him, before, 391 00:21:12,995 --> 00:21:14,475 he kills somebody else. 392 00:21:14,583 --> 00:21:17,453 I don't know what his thinking was. 393 00:21:17,552 --> 00:21:19,352 He, surely, couldn't have thought, 394 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:21,250 all this trouble was going to go away. 395 00:21:21,349 --> 00:21:22,319 It was just boiling. 396 00:21:22,419 --> 00:21:23,489 Estes says, 397 00:21:23,592 --> 00:21:25,012 he got back into his car, 398 00:21:25,111 --> 00:21:26,321 and he started heading for-- 399 00:21:26,423 --> 00:21:27,733 for Maryville. 400 00:21:27,838 --> 00:21:29,868 He got halfway to Maryville, 401 00:21:29,978 --> 00:21:32,358 and got a call from his dispatcher, 402 00:21:32,463 --> 00:21:33,983 that Ken Rex had been shot. 403 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:35,875 So, he turned back around, and came to town. 404 00:21:35,984 --> 00:21:39,024 There's another rumor, that he never even left town. 405 00:21:39,125 --> 00:21:40,985 That he stayed there, 406 00:21:41,092 --> 00:21:43,412 while this was going on. 407 00:21:43,509 --> 00:21:45,059 Danny Estes, 408 00:21:45,165 --> 00:21:47,955 he knew they were going to kill McElroy. 409 00:21:48,065 --> 00:21:50,335 He was sitting outside of town. 410 00:21:50,447 --> 00:21:51,897 So, when they called the Law, 411 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,380 he could be the one to come here. 412 00:21:54,485 --> 00:21:56,415 I still thought they were going to kill me, 413 00:21:56,522 --> 00:21:58,112 when they took me up to the bank. 414 00:21:58,213 --> 00:22:01,423 Trena, she was going to call the Law. 415 00:22:01,527 --> 00:22:03,767 Well, the ones that worked in the bank, 416 00:22:03,874 --> 00:22:05,574 knew it was going to happen. 417 00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:08,529 And, they told Trena to sit down, and shut up, 418 00:22:08,637 --> 00:22:10,947 or you'll be the next one. 419 00:22:29,486 --> 00:22:30,486 D-a-n-n-y, 420 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:32,660 R period, E-s-t-e-s. 421 00:22:32,765 --> 00:22:33,895 How do you pronounce it? 422 00:22:34,007 --> 00:22:35,147 Danny R. Estes. 423 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:37,250 You've got these scenarios, 424 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,356 you've got accusations, 425 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:40,390 you've got these rumors, 426 00:22:40,497 --> 00:22:41,637 that, 427 00:22:41,739 --> 00:22:43,809 Estes came up with the idea, 428 00:22:43,914 --> 00:22:46,024 "Hey, we'll have this meeting, 429 00:22:46,123 --> 00:22:50,163 we'll get rid of him, before, uh, he goes to jail. 430 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:54,370 and I get away, scot-free." 431 00:22:54,476 --> 00:22:57,196 You know, to me, that's a really, really, really, 432 00:22:57,306 --> 00:22:59,516 wild theory. 433 00:22:59,619 --> 00:23:02,239 But, you can't eliminate any theories, 434 00:23:02,346 --> 00:23:05,176 because, any of them, 435 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,590 might be true. 436 00:23:06,695 --> 00:23:08,965 The day that he got shot, 437 00:23:09,077 --> 00:23:10,907 I could see the handwriting on the wall, 438 00:23:11,010 --> 00:23:13,910 I knew, that, the way it looked, was that, 439 00:23:14,013 --> 00:23:16,083 I had OK'd a hit. 440 00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,742 You know the facts, 441 00:23:19,846 --> 00:23:21,296 they had a meeting that morning. 442 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,680 And the Sheriff was there. 443 00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:24,130 And the Sheriff leaves. 444 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:25,850 And the discussion of that meeting was, 445 00:23:25,956 --> 00:23:28,716 how to get rid of Ken Rex McElroy. 446 00:23:31,444 --> 00:23:33,764 It's been asked, why Sheriff Estes 447 00:23:33,860 --> 00:23:35,970 left that meeting, 448 00:23:36,069 --> 00:23:37,139 after he knew that 449 00:23:37,243 --> 00:23:38,623 Ken Rex was down the street, 450 00:23:38,727 --> 00:23:39,997 and people were milling that way. 451 00:23:40,108 --> 00:23:43,208 I can't answer that. I can't speak for Danny. 452 00:23:43,318 --> 00:23:45,388 Did he make a bad decision? 453 00:23:45,493 --> 00:23:47,183 I think, arguably, yes. 454 00:23:47,287 --> 00:23:50,327 I, probably, would have stayed. 455 00:23:51,809 --> 00:23:54,189 When they got word that Ken Rex was in the pool hall, 456 00:23:54,294 --> 00:23:56,854 and they wanted to go down and show force, 457 00:23:56,952 --> 00:24:00,092 Why would the Sheriff leave town, then? 458 00:24:00,197 --> 00:24:02,887 We all assumed that, uh, 459 00:24:02,993 --> 00:24:05,443 the Sheriff would be there to 460 00:24:05,547 --> 00:24:07,097 keep the peace. 461 00:24:07,204 --> 00:24:08,724 I could see that, 462 00:24:08,826 --> 00:24:10,166 since I had been there, 463 00:24:10,276 --> 00:24:12,106 that the impression would be that, 464 00:24:12,209 --> 00:24:13,939 I had OK'd a shooting. 465 00:24:14,038 --> 00:24:16,318 And I knew that there was a civil rights violation. 466 00:24:16,420 --> 00:24:17,940 I knew the FBI was-- 467 00:24:18,042 --> 00:24:19,492 was in the wings. 468 00:24:21,356 --> 00:24:22,976 I know they had a meeting, 469 00:24:23,082 --> 00:24:24,772 and there was a lot of people there. 470 00:24:24,877 --> 00:24:27,847 Most I know about, is what the woman told me. 471 00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:35,299 This woman I knew, back then, 472 00:24:35,404 --> 00:24:39,134 she was looking out a window, 473 00:24:39,236 --> 00:24:41,716 and saw the whole thing. 474 00:24:43,412 --> 00:24:45,042 And she saw 475 00:24:45,138 --> 00:24:46,728 Danny Estes, 476 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:48,900 on the roof of the building, across the street 477 00:24:49,004 --> 00:24:51,774 from where Ken was sitting in the pick-up. 478 00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:55,079 She said he was the first one that shot. 479 00:24:55,183 --> 00:24:57,153 If I was going to shoot that son of a bitch, 480 00:24:57,254 --> 00:24:59,574 I would have gotten him, pissing off the porch, 481 00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:01,430 about 7:00 in the morning. 482 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:04,304 And I would have been a long, long, long way away. 483 00:25:04,399 --> 00:25:06,089 And no one would have known it. 484 00:25:08,196 --> 00:25:09,916 The Department of Justice, 485 00:25:10,025 --> 00:25:13,615 impaneled a Federal grand jury, this time. 486 00:25:13,719 --> 00:25:15,169 Federal grand juries 487 00:25:15,272 --> 00:25:17,762 are different than state grand juries. 488 00:25:17,861 --> 00:25:21,171 They have more resources at their disposal, 489 00:25:21,278 --> 00:25:22,758 and more power. 490 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:30,740 The medical examiner's autopsy report, 491 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,219 concluded that McElroy was shot in the head. 492 00:25:34,325 --> 00:25:36,015 That caused his death. 493 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,680 Shot in the neck. There was a gunshot wound, there. 494 00:25:38,778 --> 00:25:41,438 He was also shot two more times, in the back. 495 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:44,340 At least two shell casings were found. 496 00:25:44,439 --> 00:25:46,129 One was a 22, 497 00:25:46,234 --> 00:25:50,004 The other was a higher caliber, than the 22. 498 00:25:51,308 --> 00:25:53,208 Considering the number of bullets 499 00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:55,480 that were fired into McElroy, we can conclude that, 500 00:25:55,588 --> 00:25:58,278 there were more than one shooter, of course. 501 00:26:00,420 --> 00:26:03,220 The FBI subpoenaed, 502 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,570 almost every adult citizen in the city of Skidmore. 503 00:26:06,668 --> 00:26:09,708 They were hauling Skidmore residents down, right and left. 504 00:26:09,809 --> 00:26:11,289 Some of the stories were, 505 00:26:11,397 --> 00:26:13,327 that people were on the verge of cracking, 506 00:26:13,433 --> 00:26:15,473 telling the FBI what was going on, and then, 507 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:19,064 they'd say, "Well, I'd like to think about it." 508 00:26:19,163 --> 00:26:20,723 And, supposedly, they'd go home, 509 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,410 and somebody in town would say, 510 00:26:22,511 --> 00:26:23,891 "Well, if you want to live in Skidmore anymore, 511 00:26:23,996 --> 00:26:25,336 you keep your mouth shut." 512 00:26:25,445 --> 00:26:27,205 And the next morning, they'd go to the FBI 513 00:26:27,309 --> 00:26:30,279 and they say to the FBI, "I don't remember anything." 514 00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,142 The FBI was called in, 515 00:26:33,246 --> 00:26:36,316 and they worked, and they worked, and they worked it. 516 00:26:37,354 --> 00:26:38,674 Which one shot him? 517 00:26:38,769 --> 00:26:42,189 Who, actually, put the shell in him? 518 00:26:43,463 --> 00:26:45,363 You had to have 519 00:26:45,465 --> 00:26:47,325 exactly, 520 00:26:48,296 --> 00:26:50,126 there had to be no doubt. 521 00:26:51,161 --> 00:26:52,711 The FBI did subpoena people. 522 00:26:52,818 --> 00:26:54,818 They appeared before the Federal grand jury, 523 00:26:54,923 --> 00:26:55,963 in Kansas City. 524 00:26:56,062 --> 00:26:57,512 I asked the people 525 00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:58,716 what they saw, 526 00:26:58,824 --> 00:27:00,344 when they looked to the right. 527 00:27:00,446 --> 00:27:02,516 And, they would tell me what they saw. 528 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:03,791 When I asked what they saw 529 00:27:03,898 --> 00:27:05,658 when they looked straight ahead, 530 00:27:05,762 --> 00:27:07,252 the response was, by all of them, 531 00:27:07,349 --> 00:27:09,969 that Ken McElroy was in his truck, with his wife. 532 00:27:10,076 --> 00:27:12,766 Still parked there, and turned the engine on. 533 00:27:12,872 --> 00:27:14,492 Shots rang out, 534 00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:16,218 and McElroy was shot. 535 00:27:16,324 --> 00:27:19,094 I asked them what they saw when they looked to the left. 536 00:27:19,189 --> 00:27:21,539 and virtually all of them said, 537 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,120 "They never looked to the left." 538 00:27:23,227 --> 00:27:25,847 With the exception of three individuals. 539 00:27:30,131 --> 00:27:32,411 They looked to the left, and saw, 540 00:27:32,512 --> 00:27:34,102 purportedly, the shooter. 541 00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:39,729 An individual who lies to a Federal grand jury, 542 00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:43,140 is potentially liable for perjury. 543 00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:46,417 Remember, that grand juries are 544 00:27:46,526 --> 00:27:48,556 part of the judicial process. 545 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:51,047 And, so, when an individual lies, 546 00:27:51,152 --> 00:27:53,742 under oath, in the appropriate forum, 547 00:27:53,844 --> 00:27:56,024 they can be prosecuted for perjury. 548 00:27:56,122 --> 00:27:57,882 OK, so, let's get real clear. 549 00:27:57,986 --> 00:27:59,326 There's, uh-- 550 00:27:59,436 --> 00:28:01,466 How many eye-witnesses there-- were there? 551 00:28:01,576 --> 00:28:03,296 Nobody has any idea. 552 00:28:03,405 --> 00:28:05,605 How many people were on the street? 553 00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:07,378 Nobody has any idea. 554 00:28:07,478 --> 00:28:09,478 You can go back to newspaper articles, 555 00:28:09,584 --> 00:28:12,834 and they start off at 30, and they may end up at 90. 556 00:28:12,932 --> 00:28:14,872 So, the question becomes, 557 00:28:14,969 --> 00:28:17,249 and the question that is, I believe, 558 00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:19,110 the crux of this case, 559 00:28:19,214 --> 00:28:22,464 is, how many eye-witnesses do you have, 560 00:28:22,562 --> 00:28:24,152 that saw what happened? 561 00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:27,400 I think the FBI 562 00:28:27,498 --> 00:28:29,288 thought it was going to be a cake-walk 563 00:28:29,397 --> 00:28:31,807 after the Northwest Missouri Investigations Squad 564 00:28:31,917 --> 00:28:33,057 got done with it. 565 00:28:33,159 --> 00:28:35,129 They were going to just roll in, 566 00:28:35,230 --> 00:28:37,580 and start picking up people off the street, 567 00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:38,791 and solve this. 568 00:28:38,889 --> 00:28:39,959 Federal officials today, 569 00:28:40,063 --> 00:28:41,723 ended their investigation 570 00:28:41,823 --> 00:28:45,593 into the vigilante-style slaying of Ken Rex McElroy. 571 00:28:45,689 --> 00:28:46,999 At the conclusion, 572 00:28:47,104 --> 00:28:49,564 of the Federal grand jury, 573 00:28:49,658 --> 00:28:51,518 They did not indict anyone. 574 00:28:51,626 --> 00:28:53,206 I can't disclose 575 00:28:53,317 --> 00:28:55,797 exactly what the grand jury proceedings were. 576 00:28:55,906 --> 00:28:57,836 I can't tell you what they actually said 577 00:28:57,943 --> 00:28:59,883 to the grand jury. I've given you an idea. 578 00:28:59,979 --> 00:29:03,219 But, at the conclusion of the grand jury proceeding, 579 00:29:03,327 --> 00:29:05,087 we had insufficient evidence 580 00:29:05,191 --> 00:29:07,921 that would suggest the Sheriff was involved. 581 00:29:08,022 --> 00:29:09,962 So, the state has the obligation, then, 582 00:29:10,058 --> 00:29:11,718 to prosecute the case. 583 00:29:11,819 --> 00:29:14,789 They got affidavits from three people. 584 00:29:14,891 --> 00:29:17,721 and those three people came forward, and they said, 585 00:29:17,825 --> 00:29:19,545 "Yes, we know who shot him." 586 00:29:19,654 --> 00:29:20,764 They gave them the names, 587 00:29:20,862 --> 00:29:23,732 and that was sent to the county. 588 00:29:23,831 --> 00:29:27,011 I gave three names to the local prosecutor, 589 00:29:27,938 --> 00:29:29,148 I released that information, 590 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:31,080 not because they were involved 591 00:29:31,183 --> 00:29:32,843 in any crime, but rather, 592 00:29:32,943 --> 00:29:34,983 they stated what they saw. 593 00:29:35,083 --> 00:29:36,813 About 60 people witnessed the shooting, 594 00:29:36,913 --> 00:29:38,503 but, none of them would say who did it. 595 00:29:38,604 --> 00:29:41,644 A U.S. attorney said he does have the name of a suspect, 596 00:29:41,745 --> 00:29:44,885 and that he's turning it over to local authorities. 597 00:29:58,037 --> 00:29:59,587 I really don't think Skidmore 598 00:29:59,694 --> 00:30:01,564 is any different than any other little town 599 00:30:01,661 --> 00:30:03,041 that I've lived around. 600 00:30:03,146 --> 00:30:05,006 Pretty complacent. Not much happens. 601 00:30:05,113 --> 00:30:07,053 Sit around and watch the grass grow, 602 00:30:07,150 --> 00:30:08,530 and the cars rust. 603 00:30:15,779 --> 00:30:18,849 But, this just hit me, about three weeks ago. 604 00:30:18,955 --> 00:30:20,365 Somebody was crowing about, 605 00:30:20,473 --> 00:30:23,413 "God don't mess with us, we're Skidmore." 606 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:26,510 It just hit me. 607 00:30:28,067 --> 00:30:29,897 Just hit me. 608 00:30:31,795 --> 00:30:33,135 This guy, 609 00:30:33,245 --> 00:30:35,315 no matter how bad he was, 610 00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:36,769 or what, 611 00:30:36,869 --> 00:30:39,599 they had him outnumbered, sixty to one. 612 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,940 And they shot him in the back. 613 00:30:44,118 --> 00:30:45,738 I'm asked a lot of times, 614 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,544 why can this be forty years ago, 615 00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:50,428 and nobody has come forward with a name? 616 00:30:52,091 --> 00:30:55,721 People have come forward with a name, since day one. 617 00:30:55,819 --> 00:30:59,579 How has this been kept quiet? It hasn't been. 618 00:30:59,685 --> 00:31:02,335 They've hid it right there, on Main Street. 619 00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:09,420 - No! I've got new people to talk to. -Oh. 620 00:31:09,522 --> 00:31:11,522 You haven't come to see me, for three or four days. 621 00:31:11,628 --> 00:31:12,658 I had nobody to talk to. 622 00:31:13,147 --> 00:31:14,007 I've got new people 623 00:31:14,113 --> 00:31:15,493 to tell my stories to. 624 00:31:16,978 --> 00:31:18,288 -No. 625 00:31:18,393 --> 00:31:21,123 - No, but they let me talk. - Yeah? 626 00:31:21,224 --> 00:31:22,854 I wish there was a way, 627 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:24,570 and me not get shot, 628 00:31:24,675 --> 00:31:27,705 that I could write a true story, from McElroy, 629 00:31:27,816 --> 00:31:29,056 up to now. 630 00:31:29,163 --> 00:31:32,963 But, I know, if I would open my mouth, 631 00:31:33,063 --> 00:31:35,313 It wouldn't be long, that I'd be shot. 632 00:31:36,618 --> 00:31:38,518 I tell everybody, the names were given. 633 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:42,310 But, any time you have that many people involved-- 634 00:31:43,349 --> 00:31:46,559 They had a common goal, a common cause, 635 00:31:46,663 --> 00:31:48,113 and a common reasoning. 636 00:31:49,321 --> 00:31:51,741 So, even if the names are correct, 637 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600 it doesn't matter. 638 00:31:53,704 --> 00:31:55,154 Nobody would prosecute them, 639 00:31:55,258 --> 00:31:57,158 for what they've done. 640 00:31:58,364 --> 00:32:00,164 To my knowledge, 641 00:32:00,263 --> 00:32:03,163 the result of the FBI investigation, 642 00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:05,746 was, that they handed over a list 643 00:32:05,854 --> 00:32:07,134 of three names. 644 00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:10,582 Three people, who were witnesses. 645 00:32:12,654 --> 00:32:15,044 But, murder is, 646 00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:17,310 prosecuted by the state of Missouri. 647 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,770 Pursue murder charges, prove their case, 648 00:32:20,869 --> 00:32:22,249 get a guilty verdict, 649 00:32:22,354 --> 00:32:24,944 and that lies, strictly and solely, 650 00:32:25,046 --> 00:32:27,806 with David Baird. 651 00:32:27,911 --> 00:32:30,331 As prosecutor, I'm not supposed to take cases 652 00:32:30,431 --> 00:32:32,161 to trial, to see what will happen. 653 00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:34,920 I'm only supposed to take cases to trial, 654 00:32:35,022 --> 00:32:36,262 when I am convinced, 655 00:32:36,368 --> 00:32:37,988 that I can obtain a conviction, 656 00:32:38,094 --> 00:32:39,614 beyond a reasonable doubt. 657 00:32:39,716 --> 00:32:41,716 I don't know how much information 658 00:32:41,821 --> 00:32:43,511 David Baird was given, 659 00:32:43,616 --> 00:32:45,616 But, names, 660 00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:48,691 evidence, that the FBI, 661 00:32:48,794 --> 00:32:52,214 either came up with, or verified. 662 00:32:52,315 --> 00:32:56,245 I'm sure all that was turned over to David Baird. 663 00:32:56,353 --> 00:32:59,743 You have the wife of the party that was killed 664 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,079 state, on the coroner's inquest, 665 00:33:02,187 --> 00:33:03,877 "Yes, I saw this man point a gun, 666 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:07,882 I saw him fire the gun, and he killed my husband." 667 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,326 In this particular case, 668 00:33:10,436 --> 00:33:14,096 given the level of evidence that we had, 669 00:33:14,199 --> 00:33:16,129 it was my estimation, 670 00:33:16,235 --> 00:33:20,515 that we did not have sufficient evidence to go to trial. 671 00:33:23,139 --> 00:33:24,759 If they knew, 672 00:33:24,864 --> 00:33:27,354 that there was enough evidence to bring against someone, 673 00:33:27,453 --> 00:33:30,153 and Mr. Baird chose not to. 674 00:33:33,356 --> 00:33:35,316 He allowed the killers to go free, 675 00:33:35,427 --> 00:33:38,217 if he was unwilling to prosecute, 676 00:33:38,326 --> 00:33:40,666 who needed to be prosecuted. 677 00:33:42,951 --> 00:33:44,851 He's not going to go rushing 678 00:33:44,953 --> 00:33:46,753 arrest the people that may, uh, 679 00:33:46,852 --> 00:33:50,032 have did it, that you have enough evidence to claim, did it, 680 00:33:50,131 --> 00:33:51,791 and have them sentenced, 681 00:33:51,891 --> 00:33:55,521 because you're going to have a lynch mob, on your hands. 682 00:33:55,619 --> 00:33:57,519 You ask yourself, a lot of times, 683 00:33:57,621 --> 00:33:59,761 is that just because it's a small town, 684 00:33:59,865 --> 00:34:01,315 and it's a small county, 685 00:34:01,418 --> 00:34:03,588 and, is that just how they do things? 686 00:34:03,696 --> 00:34:06,766 Everybody was really glad to get rid of Ken Rex McElroy, 687 00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:10,152 so, yeah, I better not meddle in this. 688 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,400 They just want to charge Skidmore, Missouri, 689 00:34:15,432 --> 00:34:17,402 as a whole, with a crime. 690 00:34:18,573 --> 00:34:21,753 Now, had they brought those names to trial, 691 00:34:21,852 --> 00:34:23,652 they would never have convicted them. 692 00:34:23,751 --> 00:34:27,171 They would have been ruled, justifiable homicide. 693 00:34:29,619 --> 00:34:31,899 I think they would have went to court, 694 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,170 spent three days debating it. 695 00:34:33,278 --> 00:34:35,108 Had an O.J. Simpson trial, 696 00:34:35,211 --> 00:34:37,281 and then acquitted everybody. 697 00:34:37,385 --> 00:34:40,385 Justifiable homicide. 698 00:34:43,633 --> 00:34:46,153 Now, had they done that 40 years ago, 699 00:34:46,256 --> 00:34:48,636 where would that put our story today? 700 00:35:03,308 --> 00:35:04,828 By this time, 701 00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,420 the city of Skidmore, was tired. 702 00:35:09,831 --> 00:35:11,351 They were fatigued. 703 00:35:11,454 --> 00:35:13,254 All the reporters, 704 00:35:13,352 --> 00:35:16,462 with all the law enforcement interviews, 705 00:35:16,562 --> 00:35:18,432 and the courtroom testimony, 706 00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:20,500 that they'd been asked to give. 707 00:35:22,672 --> 00:35:25,782 And now, pretty much, everybody in Skidmore, thought, 708 00:35:25,882 --> 00:35:28,822 "This is the end of it, it's finally over." 709 00:35:33,027 --> 00:35:34,297 But, then, almost three years 710 00:35:34,408 --> 00:35:36,758 after the murder of her husband, 711 00:35:36,858 --> 00:35:40,858 Trena McElroy files a civil suit. 712 00:35:47,075 --> 00:35:49,035 It's her last chance 713 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:50,867 to get justice 714 00:35:50,976 --> 00:35:52,176 for her dead husband. 715 00:35:52,288 --> 00:35:54,808 It's her last chance 716 00:35:54,911 --> 00:35:57,091 for somebody to stand up 717 00:35:57,189 --> 00:35:58,469 and admit responsibility 718 00:35:58,570 --> 00:36:01,300 for the death of Ken Rex McElroy. 719 00:36:02,712 --> 00:36:05,162 She was still fighting for him, 720 00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:08,506 and his image as a man, and a father. 721 00:36:10,858 --> 00:36:13,518 Yes, she was. 722 00:36:13,619 --> 00:36:18,039 The filings asked for millions of dollars. 723 00:36:18,141 --> 00:36:19,871 The defendants named, were, 724 00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:21,900 Del Clement, 725 00:36:22,007 --> 00:36:25,217 Steve Peters, who was the mayor of Skidmore, at the time, 726 00:36:25,321 --> 00:36:27,601 Danny Estes, who was the Sheriff 727 00:36:27,702 --> 00:36:29,462 of Nodaway County, at the time, 728 00:36:29,566 --> 00:36:33,496 and the city of Skidmore. 729 00:36:33,605 --> 00:36:35,875 You want the whole town to go on trial? 730 00:36:35,986 --> 00:36:37,636 Yes. 731 00:36:37,747 --> 00:36:39,467 Yes, because, I think the Sheriff 732 00:36:39,576 --> 00:36:41,476 helped them set it up. 733 00:36:41,578 --> 00:36:44,438 They was all there, they seen what happened. 734 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,825 It was the whole town. 735 00:36:59,355 --> 00:37:00,835 Now, the widow called me up. 736 00:37:00,942 --> 00:37:02,772 I said, "They're going to Federal court." 737 00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:06,565 And, I think it's worth some real money. 738 00:37:12,091 --> 00:37:13,891 - OK. - Mm-hmm. 739 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:15,270 I had a feeling, 740 00:37:15,371 --> 00:37:16,891 somebody was going to kill her. 741 00:37:16,993 --> 00:37:18,623 I had that feeling. 742 00:37:19,789 --> 00:37:21,239 Because, 743 00:37:21,342 --> 00:37:22,932 they probably would have. 744 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:26,143 She said, "They shot at my children." 745 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:28,184 She said, "My life is in danger." 746 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,490 and, she said, "I want you to dismiss it." 747 00:37:31,594 --> 00:37:33,634 She told me to drop the lawsuit. 748 00:37:35,391 --> 00:37:36,981 It never went to court. 749 00:37:37,082 --> 00:37:39,152 No testimonies were ever heard. 750 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,497 No cross examination ever occurred. 751 00:37:41,604 --> 00:37:44,164 Because it was settled out of court 752 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,782 for $17,000. 753 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,310 She settled, 754 00:38:00,105 --> 00:38:02,345 and then, she moves away. 755 00:38:03,626 --> 00:38:05,896 And, that was the last 756 00:38:06,007 --> 00:38:08,977 that Skidmore ever saw 757 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,499 of Trena McElroy 758 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,949 or, really, any McElroy. 759 00:38:16,673 --> 00:38:18,713 The American judicial system 760 00:38:18,813 --> 00:38:21,853 failed in Skidmore, Missouri. 761 00:38:21,954 --> 00:38:23,444 It failed twice. 762 00:38:25,372 --> 00:38:27,622 As for Skidmore, no one is talking, 763 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,999 whether they have anything to say, or not. 764 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,520 They now feel secure, but they are still uneasy, 765 00:38:33,621 --> 00:38:36,871 for among them, now, there is a murderer. 766 00:38:36,969 --> 00:38:38,449 Second mark. 767 00:38:38,557 --> 00:38:40,147 - OK, here we go. 768 00:38:40,248 --> 00:38:42,388 - Second mark. - OK. 769 00:38:42,492 --> 00:38:44,872 All clear. 770 00:38:44,977 --> 00:38:47,527 I know this is a tough question to answer. 771 00:38:47,635 --> 00:38:50,425 Look, McElroy cast a cloud over this town, 772 00:38:50,535 --> 00:38:52,115 there's no question. 773 00:38:52,226 --> 00:38:54,186 There was fear, here. 774 00:38:54,297 --> 00:38:56,607 But, aren't you, now concerned 775 00:38:56,713 --> 00:38:58,893 that, as bad as McElroy was, 776 00:38:58,991 --> 00:39:02,171 now that he's gone, this town has 777 00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:03,480 a 778 00:39:03,582 --> 00:39:05,032 a dirty, little secret? 779 00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:06,645 And that, in its own way, 780 00:39:06,758 --> 00:39:09,138 will have as bad an effect on the town, 781 00:39:09,243 --> 00:39:11,253 as McElroy did. 782 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:14,009 - No. - No. 783 00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:19,699 Everything we do in life, every choice we make, 784 00:39:19,805 --> 00:39:21,635 there's a consequence for. 785 00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:24,258 The decisions and choices that you made, 786 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:27,402 You had to live with, for the rest of your lives. 787 00:39:27,503 --> 00:39:29,133 If it destroyed the town, 788 00:39:29,228 --> 00:39:31,018 and it destroyed, you know, other people's lives 789 00:39:31,127 --> 00:39:33,127 within that town, because of the decisions 790 00:39:33,232 --> 00:39:34,512 those people made on that day. 791 00:39:34,613 --> 00:39:37,483 That's the burdens you carry, for that. 792 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:39,930 That wasn't the first... 793 00:39:40,032 --> 00:39:43,902 incident of violence, in the community, but... 794 00:39:44,002 --> 00:39:46,662 Then, it seems like, we had an outbreak. 795 00:39:47,971 --> 00:39:50,081 Was it murder? Yes. 796 00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:53,359 What did it do to the people? 797 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:55,530 Changed them, forever. 798 00:39:56,773 --> 00:39:58,743 The people who were involved in this, 799 00:39:58,844 --> 00:40:01,234 and the people who covered it up, 800 00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:02,679 think they may have been doing 801 00:40:02,779 --> 00:40:04,329 a good thing for the community. 802 00:40:04,436 --> 00:40:07,026 They didn't realize, I suspect, or they don't care, 803 00:40:07,128 --> 00:40:10,198 that their children are going to be negatively affected by this, 804 00:40:10,304 --> 00:40:13,274 that the outside world is negatively affected by this. 805 00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:14,996 It perpetuates itself. 806 00:40:15,102 --> 00:40:17,832 When's the next type of situation going to occur? 807 00:40:17,932 --> 00:40:20,732 When the community turns on an individual. 808 00:40:20,832 --> 00:40:23,182 I mean, that's a real danger. 809 00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:25,942 If you have young people, 810 00:40:26,044 --> 00:40:28,364 who are aware of that... 811 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,010 Where does it leave them? 812 00:40:31,532 --> 00:40:35,052 I do think that town holds, kind of, a curse. 813 00:40:35,156 --> 00:40:38,536 Basically, it's a death for anybody that's there. 814 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,610 A part of the town died that day. 815 00:40:44,718 --> 00:40:46,718 I think I counted nine 816 00:40:46,823 --> 00:40:50,623 mysterious, horrible, or strange deaths, 817 00:40:50,724 --> 00:40:54,214 that has happened, since Ken Rex died. 818 00:40:56,074 --> 00:40:58,424 Benny, went to his ex-wife's yard, 819 00:40:58,525 --> 00:40:59,795 and hung himself. 820 00:40:59,905 --> 00:41:02,105 Wally McGinnis's son, 821 00:41:02,218 --> 00:41:04,288 was hanging in a garage. 822 00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:07,092 And Wendy, getting murdered by her boyfriend, 823 00:41:07,188 --> 00:41:08,668 her jealous boyfriend. 824 00:41:08,776 --> 00:41:11,496 He'd been abusing her for a long time. 825 00:41:13,919 --> 00:41:16,159 Branson Perry comes up missing. 826 00:41:16,266 --> 00:41:18,096 Yeah, it looked like you could say, 827 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,169 all these things are all related, 828 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:23,930 because Skidmore has got some evil people in it. 829 00:41:24,033 --> 00:41:27,073 Well, that's all B.S., too. 830 00:41:27,174 --> 00:41:29,634 No. People think that. 831 00:41:29,728 --> 00:41:32,038 And there's nothing dangerous about Skidmore, 832 00:41:32,144 --> 00:41:34,634 but, per capita, the violent deaths, 833 00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,323 in and around Skidmore, are pretty high. 834 00:41:37,425 --> 00:41:39,185 This is the third member of this family 835 00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:41,949 to be murdered in the last four years. 836 00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:44,571 Bobbie Jo Stinnet was strangled on Thursday, 837 00:41:44,674 --> 00:41:46,374 her body mutilated, 838 00:41:46,469 --> 00:41:49,469 and prosecutors explain they're proceeding cautiously. 839 00:41:49,576 --> 00:41:52,026 You took down one man. 840 00:41:55,098 --> 00:41:56,508 And you acted like you did 841 00:41:56,617 --> 00:41:59,207 some humongous, great thing. 842 00:42:00,725 --> 00:42:03,965 And in that, it brought hate. 843 00:42:04,073 --> 00:42:05,563 You're still OK with what you did, 844 00:42:05,661 --> 00:42:07,041 you're still keeping a secret, 845 00:42:07,145 --> 00:42:09,595 but, you're paying with your soul. 846 00:42:12,253 --> 00:42:14,643 Is Skidmore paying the price 847 00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:18,329 for killing Ken Rex McElroy? 848 00:42:18,432 --> 00:42:21,302 Whether I believe it's a curse, or not... 849 00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:25,780 Apparently, they are, aren't they? 849 00:42:26,305 --> 00:43:26,900 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/phhum Help other users to choose the best subtitles 62092

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