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[waves lapping]
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[mysterious music playing]
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[Sharon Rocha] Laci worked in Pismo Beach,
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so she decided to have
her wedding around there.
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{\an8}She was... she was excited.
She was really excited.
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{\an8}She wanted everything to be just perfect.
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She called me after the rehearsal dinner,
but she'd been...
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you know, had a couple cocktails
with dinner,
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and so, of course,
she was feeling a little...
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getting a little nervous at that time.
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And she's a little concerned that she
might be too young to be getting married.
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She was asking me those questions,
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if I thought she was
too young to get married.
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And I just told her...
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Yes, whatever... whatever she wanted to do.
It was up to her.
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[mysterious music continues playing]
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[Sharon Rocha] I remember,
before I met Scott,
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Laci telling me
all these things about him,
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all these things that he had done.
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I remember turning to Ron and saying,
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"I hope he's not filling her
with a lotta crap about himself."
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I said, "Because that just...
doesn't sound plausible
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to have done that much, and he's, what?"
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Whatever age he was at the time, 22 or...
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But then, when I met him,
you know, he seemed very nice
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and, like I said, respectful and pleasant,
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and... I didn't think much about that again.
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I have learned to go with a gut feeling.
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[helicopter whirring]
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[newscaster] Just this afternoon,
a badly decomposed body
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was found near Point Isabel in Richmond,
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and last night, the body of a male fetus
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was found just a few miles away,
if that far.
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Gloria Gomez joins us live from the scene
with more on this story. Gloria?
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Paul, this could be
a major break in the Laci Peterson case.
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I can tell you that investigators
from Modesto PD are here.
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{\an8}We, of course, will be here, Paul,
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{\an8}and bring you the very latest
when we have it.
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{\an8}Her torso had washed up.
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{\an8}And so we were right back out there,
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{\an8}basically telling the audience
that the worst-case scenario has happened.
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It was heartbreaking to tell it.
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I had to... keep myself composed
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because I knew that I was delivering
some hard news to the community
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that was really rooting
for Laci to be alive.
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And I knew that.
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I saw it on the news,
and I immediately called the detective,
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{\an8}and I said, "Is it her?"
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{\an8}And he says, "I can't say."
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{\an8}He said, "But..." And I said, "Okay."
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[helicopter whirring]
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{\an8}- Devastating.
- Knew right away.
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{\an8}- I think we got phone calls.
- Devastating.
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{\an8}- Yeah.
- 'Cause we knew.
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{\an8}We knew right away.
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Laci made that happen. She came back.
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She wanted us to know
that things were going to be okay,
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as well as they could be.
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And that the person responsible
was going to
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face his...
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- Justice.
- Yeah.
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The chief of police called me.
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{\an8}[inhales sharply]
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{\an8}Yeah.
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Yeah. Um...
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[Gloria] And so this is now
a murder investigation.
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It's no longer a missing case.
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It is a complete
fast-forward investigation.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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{\an8}He did it. I mean,
that's where I'm at right now.
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My focus is we've caught Scott,
and his alibi is so blown up
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because on December 24th,
during my interview with Scott Peterson,
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he told me
he went to Brooks Island fishing.
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When you got in your boat,
and you took off, did you go very far or...
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[Scott] Maybe a couple miles.
I went north, um...
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Found a... like,
a little island kinda deal there, um...
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The island had a bunch of trash on it.
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I remember a big sign
that said, "No landing."
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[Al] Four months later, Laci and Conner
were found near Brooks Island.
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That's a huge... thing to overcome.
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[Sharon Hagan] The bodies coming up
in the bay solidified in my mind
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what we actually believed all along.
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{\an8}In my opinion, and this is based
on my experience in many homicides,
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{\an8}I believe that this was
what I would call a soft kill,
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um, that he either suffocated her
or he strangled her,
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and there would be two reasons
that he would choose to do that.
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One is that it's very quiet.
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Secondly, it doesn't make a mess.
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{\an8}[Al] Then, I think,
between the 23rd or the 24th,
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{\an8}he wraps her in the tarp,
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drags her through the house.
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It's all tile floors
except for when you get to that one door,
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and that's where the rug
is all scrunched up.
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{\an8}I think he, on purpose,
left the dog on the leash.
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{\an8}He put her in the back of the truck,
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{\an8}puts these umbrellas in a blue tarp,
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{\an8}probably covered her with it.
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{\an8}He took her over to the warehouse.
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{\an8}He backed his truck into the warehouse
where the boat was.
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He put her in the boat.
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- Then he drove her to the bay.
- [seagulls crying]
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[Sharon Hagan] And he put the boat
in the water with Laci's body in the boat.
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He went out to Brooks Island,
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and he dumped
her weighted body into the water,
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hoping that it would never, ever come up.
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He tried to make this look
like a disappearance,
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but the story just didn't...
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didn't stand up.
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[Jon] This case doesn't have a witness,
doesn't have a video,
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it doesn't have a confession,
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{\an8}but it's got everything else
that you're lookin' for.
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{\an8}And then once the bodies were found,
we had a complete case.
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[dramatic music playing]
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But we knew that to confirm
the identification of the bodies,
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it had to be done by DNA.
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[Al] Us, the cops, the homicide guys,
we know it's Conner.
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I mean, where it came up
compared to where, uh, Scott said he was,
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we know it's Conner.
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When Laci came up,
she had maternity clothes on.
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We pretty much knew.
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[dramatic music continues playing]
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And that's when we went to the judge.
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We got the warrant for Scott's arrest.
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We had a tracker on his little truck,
and we found the truck,
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but somebody else was driving it,
so we couldn't find him by tracker,
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but we did find him by wiretap.
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- [man] Hey.
- [Scott] Hey, Joe.
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[Joe] Brother. What's up?
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I saw the... picture in The Modesto,
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where everybody's leaving flowers
and stuffed animals and everything
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in front of your house.
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- [Scott] Oh yeah.
- [Joe] Yeah.
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I mean, people are just leaving
a lot of stuff.
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You know, like, gosh. Yeah.
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[Al] He was in San Diego,
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and that's only about less than an hour
from the Mexico border.
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That's why we wanted
to keep an eye on him.
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{\an8}[Susan] Scott was staying at my house
in San Diego that day.
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{\an8}He had left early that morning
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{\an8}to meet up with my dad
and my brothers, Mark and Joe,
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{\an8}to go golf, do something
that was normal for them to do.
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Kind of take the pressure off.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[Jon] He's up and running early
in the morning, and we're following him.
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We've got DOJ agents in cars.
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We've got an aircraft up,
and we're following him in our two cars.
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[suspenseful music continues playing]
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[tires screech]
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{\an8}That morning,
he's noticing he's being followed,
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{\an8}and Scott spends
the next three to four hours
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trying to shake this tail he's got
that he thinks is media.
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[Al] And he is driving worse
than any drug dealer I've ever followed.
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I mean, it's getting dangerous.
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He is driving so bad
that the helicopter even lost him.
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But we could keep finding him
by his phone.
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- [Joe] Where you at?
- [Scott] On Genesee.
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- I don't think I should come play golf.
- [Joe] Oh gosh. Oh brother.
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And we knew he knew he was being followed
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because we could hear him on the phone,
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but he thought we were the media.
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[Scott] These guys know I'm onto them.
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I stopped on the highway,
and they, you know, stopped behind me.
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I better skip it 'cause I don't think
I want a picture of me
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in the press playing golf.
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Finally, we got to the point
where this is dangerous,
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so we decided we have to arrest him.
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[tires screech]
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[Janey] It's when he's pulling up
to the Torrey Pines Golf Course,
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one of those cars puts a siren on top.
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[siren wailing]
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[Jon] We were in a long caravan of cars.
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We pulled up just as the DOJ guys
were handcuffing Scott.
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We got out,
we told him that he was under arrest.
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{\an8}[Al] He had orange hair.
He had an orange goatee.
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{\an8}I walk up, and he's, "Al, tell me
it wasn't my wife and baby." You know?
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I'm like, "That's ridiculous."
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I mean, you know, come on, Scott.
You know better than that.
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[theme music plays]
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{\an8}And hello, everyone.
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{\an8}I'm Arthel Neville in the CNN Newsroom
with the headlines at this hour.
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{\an8}CNN has confirmed that Scott Peterson
is under arrest tonight,
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arrested in San Diego...
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We begin tonight with breaking news.
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There's a break
in the case of Laci Peterson...
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The arrest of Scott Peterson right now...
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[newscaster] Police have taken
Scott Peterson into custody.
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From Torrey Pines, we drove him over
to the Department of Justice,
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where we searched him
and searched his car.
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{\an8}It was a little two-seater, a Mercedes.
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He was prepared for anything in the car.
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He had over...
almost 15,000 dollars in cash.
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I think he had four or five cell phones.
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He had several knives.
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I mean, he had some Viagra.
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He had a shovel.
He had rope, a cooking grill.
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He had credit cards for himself,
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but he also had
family-member credit cards in the car.
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He also had his brother's ID
right on the center console
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{\an8}that actually he similarly looked like
with the new hairdo he had.
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{\an8}The fact that Scott Peterson is arrested
30 miles from the Mexican border
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created this perception
that Scott was in flight
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when he was arrested, and...
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But that's just not the case.
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{\an8}He'd been to San Diego multiple times
while Laci was missing,
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{\an8}so the notion
that Scott was trying to evade the police
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is just... it just isn't accurate.
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[tense music playing]
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He agreed and signed off
to come home with us to Modesto.
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Scott was sitting behind me, Craig Grogan
was sitting next to him in the back seat,
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and we drive back to Modesto,
a five, six-hour drive.
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[Al] We had to arrest him
before the DNA was confirmed.
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Then we got a call, and it was confirmed.
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That's Conner and Laci's DNA.
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So then Scott... Craig told me
he just kind of lowered his head.
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He said he saw a tear,
but he didn't say anything.
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He was just quiet.
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[tense music continues playing]
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It was time to get some gas
and use the bathroom,
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and then probably get a bite to eat.
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He asked where I was goin', and I said,
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"Well, there's an In-N-Out
up the road here a little ways."
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"We're gonna probably stop there."
I've got the transcript right here.
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And Scott goes, "I'll have
a double-double with cheese, fries."
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"A small vanilla shake would be great."
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And... to me, that was an enormous red flag
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on the fact that the notification
didn't surprise him,
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that he already knew the results of this
from four months earlier,
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and that he really didn't care.
He was ready to eat.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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{\an8}[crowd cheering]
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{\an8}[Al] We got to Modesto,
and it was, like, midnight or even after,
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{\an8}but there was
a crowd of people with signs.
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I've never had that happen before,
other than this case,
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where somebody cheers,
you know, after an arrest.
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We're outside the gate
of the Stanislaus County jail.
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This is where Scott Peterson
will be held until his arraignment.
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{\an8}Look at this,
all the people who have gathered
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{\an8}to catch a glimpse of Peterson
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{\an8}as he was driven here
from San Diego by detectives.
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{\an8}[Gloria] All of these reporters lined up
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{\an8}right in front
of the Modesto Police Department.
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{\an8}All of a sudden, you have
members of the public showing up.
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They had lived this case
for so many months.
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Now they wanted to see
a villain firsthand.
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{\an8}[tense music playing]
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{\an8}[crowd cheering]
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{\an8}I think I watched
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{\an8}because it was broadcast live,
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{\an8}him driving in the back seat
of the detectives' car
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and the gauntlet of people
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that had come out
in the middle of the night.
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I was horrified.
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It looked like he was being taken
to the slaughterhouse.
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You know, it was...
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{\an8}it was just a... a terrible scene.
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{\an8}[distant chatter]
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[Gloria] I'd never seen
anything like that ever.
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In a crazy way,
internally, I was like, "Wow."
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"We kind of created this."
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We, the media, created this.
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{\an8}[theme music plays]
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{\an8}[Larry King]Tonight, what's going on
with Scott Peterson's defense?
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{\an8}There are reports
that none other than Mark Geragos,
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{\an8}the high-profile attorney who's been
a frequent guest on this program,
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could be the new lawyer.
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The moment I hear it's Mark Geragos,
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I'm like, "Oh wow, that's a big name.
That's a big lawyer from LA."
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[reporter] He's one
of the most well-known attorneys.
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It's a position he earned by taking on
some of the highest-profile cases,
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vigorously defending his clients
both inside and outside the courtroom.
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[man] Mark and I started working together
on trials about two years before Scott.
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The way that it happened that...
that we came to represent Scott Peterson
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{\an8}was that Mark was on Larry King.
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{\an8}Uh, pretty much every night, Larry King
was now running a Scott Peterson segment.
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{\an8}Condemn him as a narcissist.
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{\an8}- [woman 1] No.
- Condemn his character flaws.
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{\an8}But that does not make him a murderer.
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{\an8}Condemn him because he might be
guilty of adultery.
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{\an8}- [woman 2] Wendy, Mark...
- Mark...
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{\an8}- Why do you make him a murderer?
- Mark...
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{\an8}[Susan] My parents got to be familiar
with him through seeing him on TV.
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All of Mark's points resonated with them,
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so when it came time to look at attorneys,
he was one of the first.
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[Gloria] The judge says
this can move forward,
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and right when that hearing is over,
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Mark Geragos, along with the Petersons,
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come right outside the courthouse steps
and give a press conference.
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And he says he is going to prove
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that Scott Peterson
had nothing to do with this,
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that this is a witch hunt.
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{\an8}We are happy that Mark, uh, is in place
as Scott's attorney,
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{\an8}and, um, we do look forward
to proving his innocence.
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[tense music playing]
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[indistinct chatter]
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[man] I was one of the two attorneys
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that basically packed up
and moved to Modesto
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to start working on this case.
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{\an8}This case was just
your garden-variety homicide.
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{\an8}It didn't involve any celebrities,
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{\an8}yet it turned
into this media feeding frenzy.
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[Amber] I had no idea
how I was supposed to
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{\an8}deal with the stories coming out,
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{\an8}and so I started looking for an attorney.
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{\an8}So my dad gave me a number of an attorney.
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{\an8}Her name was Gloria Allred.
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{\an8}Women who find themselves
in high-profile scandals
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{\an8}with the famous and powerful
flock to Gloria Allred for legal counsel.
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{\an8}Allred represented
the family of Nicole Brown Simpson.
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{\an8}Allred also represents
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{\an8}two of Tiger Woods' mistresses,
Joslyn James and Rachel Uchitel.
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[Amber] So I called Gloria's office,
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and we made arrangements
for her to come out to meet with me
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so we could have a face-to-face.
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She had offered to retain me pro bono.
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There was a good connection.
I felt good about Gloria.
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[Gloria Allred] In addition
to being a witness,
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Amber is also a victim
of Scott's deception.
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Victims are entitled to attorneys,
as are witnesses.
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I had been commenting
on the case on television,
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particularly on Fox News,
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and I was very concerned.
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{\an8}It seemed as though every day
there were stories about Amber coming out,
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and, of course, it would be
and was in the interest
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of the defense
and supporters of the defense
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to undermine her credibility.
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That was key.
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If she's going to be
the key prosecution witness,
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the court of public opinion
is also very important
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because, after all,
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the jurors who were ultimately going
to be chosen for the jury pool
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would likely have been hearing
or reading or seeing or all of the above
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quite a bit about this case
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before they ever sat in the courtroom.
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We were just chomping at the bit...
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[indistinct chatter]
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...to get information.
People were eating it up.
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- Come on, be human beings.
- [man] Leave her alone.
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{\an8}But keep in mind, the more stories I do
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{\an8}and the more stories that end up
in national news and everywhere,
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it became such a toxic community
for Scott Peterson to get a fair trial,
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and so at that point,
they made a motion to move the case.
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[reporter 1] Now his fate is in the hands
of the people of San Mateo County.
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{\an8}[reporter 2] It's taken months
to get to this point,
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{\an8}but jury selection has finally started
in Scott Peterson's murder trial.
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{\an8}The judge told prospective jurors
that they'll know within an hour
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{\an8}whether they'll be sitting
on the Peterson case
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{\an8}that is now set to start on June 1st.
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[man 1] When I heard
about Scott Peterson and Laci,
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{\an8}I didn't really follow it until,
I think, the last thing I'd heard
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{\an8}is when they found the bodies,
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and later on, I'd gotten a jury summons,
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and it wasn't even clicking.
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When I got there, when I walked
into the lobby and I saw all the people,
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there must've been hundreds of people,
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and it was like,
"What's going on? This is crazy."
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And then we got shuffled
into this courtroom,
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and then I remember
Scott Peterson stood up,
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and then I was just like, "Oh my."
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[man 2] I promised myself one thing,
that I would do everything I could
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{\an8}to assure that this gentleman
got a good trial.
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{\an8}I'm looking at this young man,
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{\an8}and I'm saying,
"I've got a son about his age."
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I looked at this guy,
and I said, "No way."
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You know, "Show me what you have."
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"Convince me
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that this young man did
what you're accusing him of doing."
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He's a cad.
He cheated on his wife. Whoopee!
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Yeah, that... a dollar won't buy you
a cup o' coffee at Starbucks.
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It's just that simple.
It doesn't matter. It's not relevant.
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What's relevant is,
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"Show me what would lead me
to conclude he was guilty,"
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and if you don't have that,
have a nice day.
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It's been nice talking to ya.
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[reporter] More than a year
after Scott Peterson's arrest,
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he is finally getting his day in court.
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[newscaster] Let's get to our top story.
It is here in California this morning.
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Opening statements begin today
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in the double-murder trial
of Scott Peterson.
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[reporter] Now, there are expected
to be a hundred witnesses or more
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over the next five months or so,
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{\an8}a marathon case that has just begun.
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[Sharon Rocha] I went every day.
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{\an8}The police weren't telling us anything
because they couldn't.
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{\an8}That's why I desperately wanted
to be in that courtroom. I...
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I found out more information
during the trial than I even knew existed.
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I... I could not not be there.
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[indistinct conversation]
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[Susan] I absolutely felt helpless.
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And that's why I wanted
to get on a plane and be there,
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{\an8}and I didn't want
to go through that experience,
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{\an8}but I knew I wanted to be
in the courtroom.
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[reporter] In opening statements,
Mark Geragos said
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the case against Peterson
was flimsy and circumstantial,
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adding his client was,
quote, "stone-cold innocent."
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[Nareg] There was no direct evidence
connecting Scott to these murders.
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The government essentially relied
on circumstantial evidence.
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{\an8}The prosecutor is not able to prove
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{\an8}where the crime occurred,
how the crime occurred,
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and when the crime occurred.
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[gavel bangs]
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All rise and come to order.
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It was like a real-life soap opera
happening in your living room.
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It was always being compared
to OJ Simpson, right?
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Well, Scott Peterson became
the new OJ Simpson.
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The only difference was
that this case was not televised.
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00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:06,199
This was basically left up
for journalists to tell the story
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based on what they observed,
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{\an8}and I was there every day for the trial
to find the hook for the day,
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find the headline of the day.
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Sources tell us,
during the course of the hearing,
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prosecutors are likely to call
close to 30 witnesses.
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The only issue...
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[reporter 1] Prosecutors laid out
their circumstantial case for jurors
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brick by brick.
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From the moment
Laci Peterson was reported missing,
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prosecutors say Scott Peterson
couldn't keep his story straight.
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Be that as it may...
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[Ted] The lead prosecutors
for Stanislaus County
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were Rick Distaso and Dave Harris.
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[inaudible speech]
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{\an8}And... and... [sighs]
...they just felt a little bit...
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{\an8}Well, not a little bit.
They were outmatched. Let's face it.
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Stanislaus County is not LA County.
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These guys were now up against
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probably, you know, arguably,
one of the best attorneys in the state.
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[reporter 2] The first point
scored against prosecutors
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came from an unlikely source,
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a Martha Stewart cooking show
featuring meringue.
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[Ted] The State
basically called Scott a liar,
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saying that he made up
he and Laci were watching TV
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the morning that she disappeared
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and that they were watching
this Martha Stewart program.
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{\an8}And one of the major points
they were gonna hit on
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{\an8}in their opening was
there was no meringue on that show.
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Well, we got the video of the 24th,
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and, lo and behold, at almost exactly
the same time as Scott said,
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there's Martha Stewart
talking about meringue.
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So what are we going to do
with all the egg whites?
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- Ooh, you wanna make little meringues?
- Oh, that would be nice.
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That was the end of the meringue.
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You never heard
from the prosecution again.
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[Ted] I mean,
how do you make that mistake?
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And Geragos was ripping
the first few witnesses apart
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on cross-examination.
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[Al] I am one of the first witnesses.
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There's a lot of people out there,
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and the front row
is Sharon and the family,
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and Lee's family on this side,
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{\an8}and then all the media, the Fox people,
people I see on TV who I don't know,
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{\an8}they're all looking at me.
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First question. I've always done this.
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I turn to the jury,
and I'm answering to the jury.
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Geragos is like, "Look at me!
Look at me when I'm talking to you!"
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And I... I looked at him, and Distaso...
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Everybody's, like, in shock,
and Distaso's... "I object, Your Honor."
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"He can look
wherever he wants when he's talking."
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And he asked me another question.
I started turning.
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He goes, "You're afraid to look at me!"
I mean, he's screaming at me.
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And he's... I guess he's just trying
to intimidate the crap out of me.
461
00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:41,938
[dramatic music playing]
462
00:24:42,022 --> 00:24:44,399
[Al] Geragos wants to play something.
We don't know what.
463
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,318
I'm sitting on the witness stand waiting,
464
00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:49,488
and they go back
in the judge's chambers for a while,
465
00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:53,783
and when they come out,
I could see Distaso and Harris.
466
00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:56,036
They're looking a little nervous.
467
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,747
So I don't know what's gonna be played.
I have no idea.
468
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:01,791
But they sit down,
and then they let Geragos do it.
469
00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:05,670
So what we do in Modesto
is we dictate a police report,
470
00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:11,009
and on this one day,
I'm talking to a neighbor of Scott's shop.
471
00:25:11,092 --> 00:25:15,347
When I got home, I dictated that John Doe
said he heard through the grapevine
472
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:18,850
that Laci used the other neighbor,
Peggy O'Donnell's, bathroom.
473
00:25:20,143 --> 00:25:23,313
So when I was testifying,
he plays my tape,
474
00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:25,732
and it's typing at the same time.
475
00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:29,236
Then he puts my police report up there.
Same thing, types it out.
476
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,446
But that one line is gone.
477
00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:36,034
And everybody in the courtroom
is like, "Ooh!"
478
00:25:36,117 --> 00:25:40,413
Like that is really...
I'm hiding s... evidence.
479
00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:44,918
Then Geragos is like, "Your Honor,
I think we should call it a... the weekend,"
480
00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:49,673
so that could just sit there for...
and percolate.
481
00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:51,216
A blistering attack.
482
00:25:51,299 --> 00:25:53,426
{\an8}They're trying to put
the finger on Brocchini.
483
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,012
How can you believe
what a police officer said?
484
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:59,224
[reporter] His attack on the credibility
of police investigators...
485
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,350
It's unclear at this point
486
00:26:00,433 --> 00:26:04,187
why Detective Brocchini actually deleted
that information from his report,
487
00:26:04,271 --> 00:26:08,858
but you can bet prosecutors on Monday
will try to rehabilitate him for the jury.
488
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,530
[Al] What happened was, on this one day,
after I dictated it, turned it in,
489
00:26:13,613 --> 00:26:17,742
{\an8}now we all sit down together, and I tell
all the detectives what I heard,
490
00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:22,247
{\an8}and Detective Dennis Holmes,
he says, "Whoa, I interviewed Peggy."
491
00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:27,377
So he could testify to what Peggy said.
492
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:29,546
Mine was through the grapevine,
493
00:26:29,629 --> 00:26:33,633
and so I deleted that sentence
because it was in his report.
494
00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,177
Could look wrong to the jury.
495
00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:38,555
It could look wrong
to the, you know, Rochas.
496
00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:40,348
I mean, I... I was feeling...
497
00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:43,727
When I was seeing
Sharon and Ron and the kids,
498
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:48,607
it was a tough... it was...
it was a tough cross-examine for me.
499
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,401
Listening in at the beginning,
I thought it was going nowhere.
500
00:26:51,484 --> 00:26:53,987
I thought this was gonna be
a waste of taxpayer dollars.
501
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:58,366
I knew the death penalty was on the table,
but, for me, Scott Peterson was innocent,
502
00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:01,036
so I didn't think
it was going to get to that point.
503
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,121
I really thought
that this was going nowhere.
504
00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:06,124
It was stressful,
but, you know, it was intense.
505
00:27:06,207 --> 00:27:10,086
But... I needed to know
everything that they knew.
506
00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:11,810
It was only a couple days I wasn't there.
507
00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:15,592
One morning, I had a really bad cold,
but I ended up going in the afternoon.
508
00:27:15,675 --> 00:27:18,803
The other time was when they were talking
about the conditions of her body.
509
00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:20,889
I didn't go to... to trial that day.
510
00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:27,354
[Gloria Gomez] In a case
that lacks physical evidence,
511
00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:29,689
most believe there is one powerful piece.
512
00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:31,399
Don't trip.
513
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:36,071
[Gloria] A medical examiner's testimony
would come down to one critical question.
514
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:40,325
Was baby Conner born alive?
Prosecutors want the jury to believe
515
00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:43,578
Conner died with his mother
on December 24th.
516
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,331
The defense wants them
to see it another way.
517
00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:49,584
[Jon] What the coroner determined
on Conner's age
518
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,754
was an estimate
of between 33 and 38 weeks.
519
00:27:52,837 --> 00:27:54,714
Again, this is an estimate only,
520
00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:58,301
{\an8}and there's not an exacting science
that's gonna be able to pin that down,
521
00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:03,890
{\an8}but that does put it outside of, uh,
and a bit later than, uh, December 24th,
522
00:28:03,973 --> 00:28:06,059
when we believe Laci was actually killed.
523
00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:12,107
Not being able to hone in
to a specific time of death
524
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,609
did hurt the prosecution's case
525
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,112
because it opened up
a whole different theory
526
00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:20,907
of, uh, potentially someone kidnapping
a pregnant woman
527
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:22,117
because they want the baby.
528
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,536
This is not good
for the State of California.
529
00:28:24,619 --> 00:28:26,663
Scott Peterson
is gonna be found not guilty.
530
00:28:26,746 --> 00:28:30,166
And then Amber Frey
completely changed all that.
531
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,252
[suspenseful music playing]
532
00:28:36,172 --> 00:28:37,507
[Gloria Gomez] Amber Frey.
533
00:28:38,341 --> 00:28:40,885
Everybody wanted to hear
Amber Frey's story.
534
00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:43,263
She was the prosecution's star witness.
535
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:48,143
This case is either gonna win or lose
on Amber Frey's testimony.
536
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,145
If she flops on the stand,
537
00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:55,150
and if the defense starts
chipping away at her credibility,
538
00:28:56,067 --> 00:28:57,485
they're gonna lose this case.
539
00:28:57,569 --> 00:28:59,320
[Pat] Our strategy had always been
540
00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:04,200
that we were gonna have to sort of admit
Scott had this affair.
541
00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:08,830
Essentially try and make Scott
seem more human
542
00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:13,084
so that we could then argue, "Look,
just because you hate somebody
543
00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:15,795
or somebody does...
it doesn't make them a murderer."
544
00:29:15,879 --> 00:29:17,881
[suspenseful music continues playing]
545
00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:24,763
[Amber] The first day of trial,
I'm walking in the courtroom.
546
00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:27,056
It was completely packed
547
00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:30,268
and as silent as can be.
548
00:29:33,021 --> 00:29:35,523
[voice breaking] And when I first sat
on the stand,
549
00:29:36,566 --> 00:29:38,443
I wasn't just sitting there alone.
550
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:40,487
[inhales sharply]
551
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:45,700
But I was sitting there for Laci
and her unborn child.
552
00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:48,203
[indistinct news reporting]
553
00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:52,457
[Amber] I... I feel like Geragos
554
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:56,920
got a little agitated with me at times.
555
00:29:57,003 --> 00:30:00,465
I didn't answer in the way
he thought I would or anticipated.
556
00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:04,052
Like, "Did Scott ever say he loved you?"
557
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:08,181
And in reality, my answer was valid.
Not in those words.
558
00:30:08,264 --> 00:30:11,476
I mean, his actions,
the things he did, the thoughtfulness, um...
559
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,520
I mean, those are all actions of...
560
00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:16,773
But, ultimately, the answer was no.
561
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:21,986
But I think
it kind of got under Geragos's skin...
562
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,572
[chuckles]...because I didn't answer
straightforward.
563
00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:28,326
It wasn't necessarily a straightforward
question either, in my opinion, so...
564
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,082
{\an8}She held her head high
when she did testify.
565
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,292
I think she earned
the respect of the jury.
566
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:38,545
They saw the real Amber Frey,
567
00:30:39,045 --> 00:30:42,465
not the mistaken stereotypes.
568
00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,343
[Amber] I was not a mistress.
569
00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,512
If you read the definition,
that is a woman
570
00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:51,057
knowingly in a relationship
with a married man,
571
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:52,767
and I was not knowingly.
572
00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:56,271
For the first time, there was clarity
573
00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,815
as far as who I was
574
00:30:58,898 --> 00:31:01,401
and my relationship with Scott.
575
00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:02,902
{\an8}[phone line crackling]
576
00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:04,988
[recording plays]
577
00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:17,667
Those tapes... were essential.
578
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,628
Scott Peterson invoked
his Fifth Amendment privilege
579
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,338
against self-incrimination
580
00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:27,093
and chose not to testify in the case.
581
00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:31,264
But his voice was still in the courtroom
582
00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:34,601
on the tapes that Amber had recorded.
583
00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:39,772
I had no idea
that those were gonna be play...
584
00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:42,609
played publicly for other people to hear.
585
00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:44,611
People were hearing conversations
586
00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:48,740
that I thought were only meant
for the police department and...
587
00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:54,329
possibly attorneys, but not everyone,
588
00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:57,957
meaning, like,
pretty much anyone in the world.
589
00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:02,962
That was a little...
that was a little... hard.
590
00:32:03,963 --> 00:32:05,965
[recording plays]
591
00:32:23,191 --> 00:32:27,070
[Mike] A lot of people believe
that the affair was a big deal.
592
00:32:27,153 --> 00:32:29,489
No, I... I didn't see it as a big deal,
593
00:32:29,572 --> 00:32:31,783
and I don't think
anybody on the jury did either.
594
00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:36,704
What we did see as a big deal
is what he said and what he did.
595
00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:39,707
It was damning. It was absolutely damning.
596
00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:43,294
And not only the phone calls but the lies.
597
00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:44,712
Yes, the... the charade.
598
00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:49,342
{\an8}What was particularly startling
about Scott's style of lying
599
00:32:49,425 --> 00:32:51,344
{\an8}is that he was very shortsighted.
600
00:32:51,844 --> 00:32:53,054
Um, it was obvious to me
601
00:32:53,137 --> 00:32:56,557
that he did not think
these things through carefully.
602
00:32:56,641 --> 00:33:01,020
He is emotionally detached
to the point where he believed
603
00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:07,235
that investigators and Laci's family
and friends and the public
604
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:10,738
would lose interest in her disappearance
605
00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:13,574
in a few short weeks.
606
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,953
It was startling and shocking
607
00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:20,456
that he seemed to sincerely believe
608
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:23,459
that he would be free
to go on with his new life.
609
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,923
So Scott's behaviors are what told us
610
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,343
that this is
a planned, premeditated homicide.
611
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,681
{\an8}He told Amber he had lost his wife,
612
00:33:36,764 --> 00:33:38,599
{\an8}that he needed to be away,
613
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:42,020
and that when he got back,
they could start their life together.
614
00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:44,022
He bought a boat.
615
00:33:45,648 --> 00:33:47,608
{\an8}He bought this boat in secret.
616
00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:52,280
When he came home on the 24th,
her car was in the driveway,
617
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:54,365
{\an8}her purse was in the closet,
618
00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,160
{\an8}he did laundry, he ate pizza,
619
00:33:57,243 --> 00:33:58,411
he took a shower,
620
00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:04,125
and then he called Laci's parents.
621
00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:06,044
There is no sense of urgency.
622
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:10,423
Nothing taken from the house,
nothing damaged, nothing disturbed.
623
00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:13,968
He sold Laci's car.
He... he wanted to sell the house.
624
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:17,847
He turned the nursery into a storage area.
625
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:20,349
These are all inappropriate behaviors.
626
00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:23,519
This is not a man
who's waiting for Laci to come home.
627
00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,983
And this was
the evidence presented by the prosecutor.
628
00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:31,986
Laci didn't just disappear.
629
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:36,115
This was actually
planned, premeditated murder.
630
00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:44,040
You know, the Scott Peterson case,
you can't take a part of it
631
00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:46,209
and look at it and say, "Aha,"
632
00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:47,919
'cause there is no "aha" moment.
633
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:53,257
But you take the bits and pieces,
and you put them all together,
634
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:54,884
then it draws a picture.
635
00:34:55,718 --> 00:34:57,386
It paints a portrait.
636
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:00,098
[judge] Members of the jury,
637
00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:03,434
you have heard all the evidence
and the arguments of the attorneys.
638
00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:06,687
[Gloria Gomez] After being instructed
by the judge for nearly an hour,
639
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:12,068
the six men and six women of the jury
will now decide Scott Peterson's fate.
640
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:14,862
{\an8}There is a verdict
in the Scott Peterson trial,
641
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:18,199
{\an8}and it will be announced
at 1:00 p.m. Pacific time.
642
00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:21,285
- [indistinct chatter]
- [dramatic music playing]
643
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:22,912
[Al] They gave us 90 minutes
644
00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:26,332
from when the... the jury came back
before they were gonna read it.
645
00:35:26,874 --> 00:35:31,462
{\an8}We're going to have a live audio feed
of the verdict in this case.
646
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:35,216
{\an8}There's a huge gathering of folks
from the public that have gathered here.
647
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:36,801
{\an8}It sends everybody scrambling.
648
00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:40,680
{\an8}It fills up the courtyard
outside the Redwood City courthouse.
649
00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,224
Everybody just waited with bated breath.
650
00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,060
[newscaster] What kind of reaction
do you think we'll have out here?
651
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:49,438
[Ted] I think the majority of the public
thinks that Scott Peterson is guilty,
652
00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:52,441
{\an8}and I think if this jury comes back
with a not-guilty verdict,
653
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:55,987
{\an8}there is going to be
a sense of despair and anger.
654
00:35:57,196 --> 00:36:00,575
[Al] Modesto to Redwood City
is about 75, 80 miles,
655
00:36:00,658 --> 00:36:03,661
and all the detectives
went lights and sirens
656
00:36:03,744 --> 00:36:06,330
from Modesto to Redwood City
to get there in time.
657
00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,749
They said the verdict
was coming in two hours,
658
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:11,377
so, at one o'clock, it was gonna be...
659
00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:14,338
you know, we were gonna hear Scott's fate,
660
00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:18,676
and we were pretty much
in very good spirits.
661
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:24,056
I just kind of had felt a sense
of, "This is finally coming to an end."
662
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,437
It was very fortunate that Jackie, Janey,
and Joe were in Redwood City,
663
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,608
but there was no way my dad and I
were gonna make it from San Diego.
664
00:36:33,691 --> 00:36:35,443
[suspenseful music playing]
665
00:36:36,736 --> 00:36:37,736
{\an8}[Janey] We were excited.
666
00:36:37,778 --> 00:36:40,656
{\an8}We thought Scott was coming home,
and we thought this was it.
667
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:42,533
[indistinct chatter]
668
00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:44,619
[suspenseful music continues playing]
669
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:48,956
[Sharon Rocha] I didn't know enough
about the legal system to...
670
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,418
One way or the other, I just couldn't help
but have a little bit of a doubt.
671
00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:55,087
You don't know
what these 12 people are thinking.
672
00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,006
[indistinct background conversation]
673
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,843
[Sharon Rocha] I remember
getting the call to say,
674
00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:03,596
"We have a verdict."
675
00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:07,934
[Gloria Gomez] We were all rushing
into the courtroom to get in there,
676
00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:10,603
and they're filing in,
they're filing in, they're filing in.
677
00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:11,896
They all take a seat,
678
00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:13,731
and the first thing I see
679
00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:17,360
was one of the jurors.
680
00:37:17,443 --> 00:37:21,155
She looks right at Laci's mom,
and she gives her a wink.
681
00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:24,283
And I'm like... [gasps]
682
00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:28,079
The gesture seemed to indicate,
"We got him."
683
00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:30,581
And then the verdict was read.
684
00:37:30,665 --> 00:37:31,791
[indistinct chatter]
685
00:37:31,874 --> 00:37:34,627
[jury foreperson] State of California
versus Scott Peterson.
686
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:38,839
We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause,
find the defendant, Scott Lee Peterson,
687
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:42,051
guilty of the crime of murder
of Laci Denise Peterson.
688
00:37:42,134 --> 00:37:44,387
[foreperson] We, the jury,
in the above-entitled cause,
689
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,807
find the defendant, Scott Lee Peterson,
guilty of the crime of...
690
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:50,268
- [crowd cheering]
- [soft music playing]
691
00:37:51,894 --> 00:37:54,522
I just remember the relief
hearing the word "guilty."
692
00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:59,652
I mean, it was like, you know,
being inflated all this time,
693
00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:02,780
and all of a sudden, all the air
just comes out of your body.
694
00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:06,659
It's... It was just a relief. A huge relief.
695
00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:11,122
It wasn't... You know, I can't say
we were all excited and happy about it.
696
00:38:11,205 --> 00:38:14,375
That's not the feeling that I had at all.
697
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:17,378
Um, just a relief.
698
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:21,966
Yeah, when they read the verdict,
I just... I... I just...
699
00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:24,927
I thought my heart beat really loud,
and I missed the word "not."
700
00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:26,929
I just was like, you know, I...
701
00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:29,849
And... and then they said it again
with Conner, "guilty,"
702
00:38:29,932 --> 00:38:32,727
and then it felt very quiet
in the courtroom
703
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:37,398
and very surreal
and kinda out of body, like...
704
00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:39,400
Um...
705
00:38:39,483 --> 00:38:42,320
- [distant cheering]
- But you could hear the crowd outside.
706
00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:45,031
- [cheering]
- [foreperson] ...Penal Code Section 187A...
707
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,950
We, the jury, further find
the degree of the murder
708
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:49,952
to be that of the first degree.
709
00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:51,370
[cheering continues]
710
00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,125
[cheering intensifies]
711
00:38:57,209 --> 00:38:59,086
[indistinct chatter, shouting]
712
00:39:00,504 --> 00:39:02,506
[woman] Hope you're proud of your son!
713
00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:04,508
[woman shouts]
714
00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:06,093
[indistinct chatter]
715
00:39:10,765 --> 00:39:13,351
[Janey] I remember
being taken into a back hallway.
716
00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:17,313
They were gonna escort us outside
because there was such a huge crowd.
717
00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:19,231
And we... we come out a door,
718
00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:24,153
and we're way at the other end
of the courthouse from our car.
719
00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:29,241
And they walk us the whole way
in front of the whole crowd.
720
00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:34,663
It felt like we were paraded
in front of them to our car.
721
00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,415
[indistinct chatter]
722
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:40,211
[woman] No, right...
723
00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:41,587
[man] Burn in hell!
724
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:43,381
[indistinct chatter continues]
725
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:49,887
[Janey] With people hollering
and screaming and jeering.
726
00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:55,393
I just remember looking out
at the sea of people and thinking,
727
00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:56,977
"They have no idea."
728
00:39:57,061 --> 00:39:59,397
"They have... they have no idea
729
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,693
what just happened the last four months
in this courtroom. No idea."
730
00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:05,861
[woman] Everybody in?
731
00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:08,614
[indistinct speech]
732
00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:10,281
[engine starts]
733
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:15,996
[indistinct shouting]
734
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080
[man] Wow.
735
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,707
{\an8}[reporter] Today, the judge ruled
that the same jury
736
00:40:21,752 --> 00:40:24,713
{\an8}that convicted Scott Peterson
of murdering his pregnant wife
737
00:40:24,797 --> 00:40:28,008
will also determine
whether he lives or dies for his crimes,
738
00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:30,553
and the case will stay in Redwood City.
739
00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:35,516
The biggest moment had to have been
when Sharon took the stand.
740
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,645
If you did not cry during that
741
00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:42,940
or at least shed a tear during Sharon's...
742
00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:44,984
you just weren't there.
743
00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:48,112
It was really
her only time to address Scott.
744
00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:50,823
Like, face to face.
745
00:40:50,906 --> 00:40:53,576
I remember her looking right at him.
746
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,539
[reporter 1] Many in the room began to cry
as Laci's mother, Sharon Rocha, asked
747
00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:01,375
if Laci knew she was being murdered.
748
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:06,797
Then she imagined Laci's unborn baby
begging for its life, saying...
749
00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:11,510
{\an8}"Daddy, please don't do this to me.
Please. There's another way."
750
00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:15,973
[reporter 2] One other thing she said,
"The fact that you no longer wanted Laci
751
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:18,017
did not give you the right to murder her."
752
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:21,687
"She was my daughter.
I trusted you, and you betrayed me."
753
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:23,647
"You betrayed everybody."
754
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:30,488
[sobbing] She may be physically gone,
but she's not gone out of our hearts.
755
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,451
She still lives with all of us.
756
00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:39,246
[exhales softly]
757
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:46,337
[indistinct chatter]
758
00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,131
[reporter 1] The jury
that convicted Scott Peterson
759
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:51,300
of killing his wife and unborn son
760
00:41:51,383 --> 00:41:53,469
came in with its decision on a sentence.
761
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,223
[foreperson] We, the jury,
in the above-entitled cause,
762
00:41:57,306 --> 00:41:58,724
fix the penalty at death, dated...
763
00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:01,310
- [woman 1 screams]
- [woman 2] Death! Oh my God!
764
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:04,438
[reporter 2] Some jumped
in the air and clapped.
765
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,106
Christmas comes early.
766
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,570
[reporter 3] People around the world are
applauding your decision. How do you feel?
767
00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:14,281
They have to answer to themselves on that.
768
00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:18,410
{\an8}Tell somebody, "You did a good job.
You just put somebody to death."
769
00:42:18,494 --> 00:42:19,495
{\an8}Yeah.
770
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:22,873
{\an8}I don't see anything good about that.
771
00:42:22,957 --> 00:42:27,044
That would be like me telling you,
"That person, you pull the trigger."
772
00:42:27,127 --> 00:42:28,754
It eats me up to hear that
773
00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,632
because I say, "You don't even know
what death means, then."
774
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,927
It's so easy for you to say that?
It's not... it's not that easy.
775
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,012
[shouting and cheering]
776
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,432
[tense music playing]
777
00:42:58,158 --> 00:42:59,660
[indistinct chatter]
778
00:43:00,452 --> 00:43:01,662
Come on. Let's keep going.
779
00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:03,496
[applause]
780
00:43:04,206 --> 00:43:06,500
- [cheering]
- [indistinct shouting]
781
00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:09,962
Our family's going to make it... make it.
782
00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,922
We're stronger because of this.
783
00:43:13,632 --> 00:43:16,927
- And Scott got what he deserved.
- [distant siren wailing]
784
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:22,391
He not only took her away from us,
785
00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:24,810
but, you know,
he's destroyed a lot of lives.
786
00:43:24,893 --> 00:43:26,312
His family's lives and...
787
00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:31,817
I'm not gonna say he destroyed our lives.
He upset our lives.
788
00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,404
But I wouldn't give him the credit
for destroying our lives.
789
00:43:35,487 --> 00:43:36,905
[indistinct chatter]
790
00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:42,369
[Al] I remember, later,
I saw Sharon and Ron and the family and...
791
00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:44,872
and, uh, we... you know, I hugged them and...
792
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:49,667
[sighs]
793
00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:53,172
Kind of apologized, you know,
how it started, and that...
794
00:43:53,255 --> 00:43:54,882
But she said, "I never lost...
795
00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:58,802
you know, I never lost, uh, faith
or anything in you or that,"
796
00:43:58,886 --> 00:44:00,888
and so it was kinda hard.
797
00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:03,140
I kinda stayed close with them
for a little while,
798
00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,726
and then I realized after a while that
799
00:44:06,727 --> 00:44:09,271
I'm, uh... I'm not a good memory.
800
00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:11,148
I mean, you know, I'm kind of...
801
00:44:11,231 --> 00:44:16,945
When you see me, maybe you think
of that incident all the time.
802
00:44:17,029 --> 00:44:20,491
And so I didn't...
I kind of pulled away a little bit.
803
00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:30,167
[Ted] Scott's off to San Quentin,
and the Petersons continued to fight.
804
00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:34,838
They immersed themselves
in this fight for Scott,
805
00:44:34,922 --> 00:44:38,676
and he never admitted guilt on any level.
806
00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:40,803
[tense music playing]
807
00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:46,433
[Janey] We didn't have time to grieve Laci
when we found out she was gone
808
00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:48,310
because Scott was arrested.
809
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,230
Laci was part of our family.
810
00:44:51,313 --> 00:44:53,816
Laci was my sister-in-law.
811
00:44:54,316 --> 00:44:56,610
Conner was my nephew.
812
00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:59,321
We went from looking for her...
813
00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:02,616
And the moment we found out she was dead,
814
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,411
he was arrested,
and we're fighting for his life.
815
00:45:05,494 --> 00:45:10,040
And here we are 20 years later,
trying to right this injustice.
816
00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:16,213
[Sharon Hagan] I really believe
that it's very difficult
817
00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:20,134
for Scott's family to believe
that he would ever do this.
818
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:24,847
{\an8}The severity of the crime
is an important factor here.
819
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,724
{\an8}You know, is there anything worse
820
00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:29,560
{\an8}than killing your wife
and your unborn child?
821
00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:32,855
You know, what...
what would be the consequences of...
822
00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:37,526
of acknowledging
that he must have done this?
823
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:39,194
I think, at the end of the day,
824
00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:43,282
they both... know what they know.
825
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:45,826
And... and the Rochas know
that he killed her,
826
00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,412
and they live with that pain every day,
827
00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:51,081
and the Petersons know
that he didn't kill her,
828
00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:52,458
and they live with that pain.
829
00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:56,044
[melancholic music playing]
830
00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:03,844
[Sharon Rocha] There are times
I look back, and I think, "Gosh."
831
00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:06,597
"It's hard to believe
it was 20 years ago."
832
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,641
And on the other hand,
it seems like it wasn't 20 years ago.
833
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:14,688
I've always said, "You don't get over it.
You just get through it."
834
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:18,609
You just have to muddle through it
because you're never going to get over it.
835
00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,195
It's always gonna be there.
836
00:46:23,197 --> 00:46:24,865
Always. It'll always be there.
837
00:46:25,741 --> 00:46:27,618
[melancholic music continues playing]
838
00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:30,746
[Sharon] We have a whole different life
than we did before.
839
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:33,665
It's the before and the after,
and that's the way I refer to it.
840
00:46:33,749 --> 00:46:37,628
When I talk about different things,
it'll be before Laci and after Laci
841
00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:41,632
because it does, it changes your life.
There's no doubt about that.
842
00:46:41,715 --> 00:46:44,593
Changes everybody's lives
that are involved.
843
00:46:48,096 --> 00:46:49,807
[soft music playing]
844
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,268
[muted speech]
845
00:46:54,061 --> 00:46:56,396
[Lori] What the last 20 years
has brought to me
846
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,108
is that, um, we check in
with each other more... a lot more often.
847
00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:02,820
Good, the bad, the ugly.
848
00:47:02,903 --> 00:47:04,530
We have tougher conversations.
849
00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:09,868
We promised each other
that it doesn't matter who knows.
850
00:47:09,952 --> 00:47:11,328
- One of us knows...
- Yeah.
851
00:47:11,411 --> 00:47:13,705
...what's happening in each other's lives.
852
00:47:14,957 --> 00:47:18,252
You just realize when you're questioned
about your best friend,
853
00:47:18,335 --> 00:47:20,838
like, how little you knew. [sniffs]
854
00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:22,297
And yet we... And then...
855
00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:24,382
So...
856
00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:26,844
That's, I think, why we just...
857
00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:30,681
make sure that we're all...
858
00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:33,642
in the know.
859
00:47:33,725 --> 00:47:35,352
[soft music playing]
860
00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:39,314
She was in love.
There's no doubt about that.
861
00:47:39,398 --> 00:47:42,317
She was just really excited.
She was in love with him.
862
00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:45,612
And we always liked him.
He always treated her well.
863
00:47:46,655 --> 00:47:47,781
Until he didn't.
864
00:47:50,325 --> 00:47:54,997
With a low-risk victim such as Laci,
who was very much a homebody,
865
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,209
um, whose world was
very small and... and condensed...
866
00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:04,548
[inhales deeply]...the most likely person
who will harm someone like her
867
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:07,009
is her intimate partner.
868
00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:14,016
And the statistics
that we keep on homicide bear this out.
869
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:19,313
In fact, not only
does pregnancy increase the risk
870
00:48:20,105 --> 00:48:21,773
of victimization for women,
871
00:48:21,857 --> 00:48:26,862
but it is the number one cause of death
for pregnant women.
872
00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:28,572
[soft music continues playing]
873
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:33,242
Hmm.
874
00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:36,663
This was from her actual memorial.
875
00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:40,034
And this is her. This just...
876
00:48:40,083 --> 00:48:43,879
{\an8}I love this picture 'cause this just
captures her spirit so perfectly.
877
00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:47,007
{\an8}Her laugh was just so infectious.
878
00:48:49,468 --> 00:48:51,470
[melancholic music playing]
879
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:53,847
[muted conversation]
880
00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:32,928
[Sharon Rocha] She would've loved
to have had her child
881
00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:37,683
and raised him,
and... she would've been a good mother.
882
00:49:39,226 --> 00:49:42,354
We would've had something else
to tease her about. [chuckles]
883
00:49:45,649 --> 00:49:48,235
Wow, she's been gone
almost as long as she was here.
884
00:49:49,903 --> 00:49:51,989
I just want her
to be remembered as a person
885
00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:55,200
and not as a victim of murder.
886
00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,912
Um, she was alive.
She's still alive to all of us.
887
00:50:02,624 --> 00:50:05,377
I see dragonflies, and I think of her.
888
00:50:06,962 --> 00:50:09,089
This time of the year,
as a matter of fact.
889
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:16,263
Her legacy is just
that she was a loving person.
890
00:50:16,346 --> 00:50:20,142
She loved her husband. She trusted
her husband, and he betrayed her.
891
00:50:20,225 --> 00:50:23,270
He betrayed her,
and he betrayed everybody else.
892
00:50:24,187 --> 00:50:26,231
His family, our family, everybody.
893
00:50:33,905 --> 00:50:38,326
Over the years, I've received
many, many, many letters from people,
894
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:41,621
from women
who are in a similar situation with...
895
00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,374
They didn't know their husband.
They thought they did.
896
00:50:44,458 --> 00:50:51,006
And how many I can't tell you that,
because of Laci, they left in time,
897
00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:53,216
that they were still alive
because of Laci.
898
00:50:55,594 --> 00:50:58,221
- [girl 1] Hi, Laci!
- [girl 2] Let's dance, baby!
899
00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:00,307
[melancholic music playing]
900
00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:04,144
[muted singing]
901
00:51:52,567 --> 00:51:54,569
[soft piano music playing]
77871
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