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She was really excited. 6 00:00:24,065 --> 00:00:25,942 {\an8}She wanted everything to be just perfect. 7 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:31,239 She called me after the rehearsal dinner, but she'd been... 8 00:00:31,322 --> 00:00:33,366 you know, had a couple cocktails with dinner, 9 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:35,702 and so, of course, she was feeling a little... 10 00:00:35,785 --> 00:00:37,704 getting a little nervous at that time. 11 00:00:39,330 --> 00:00:42,959 And she's a little concerned that she might be too young to be getting married. 12 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,627 She was asking me those questions, 13 00:00:44,711 --> 00:00:46,713 if I thought she was too young to get married. 14 00:00:48,423 --> 00:00:49,424 And I just told her... 15 00:00:51,676 --> 00:00:54,596 Yes, whatever... whatever she wanted to do. It was up to her. 16 00:00:57,515 --> 00:00:59,392 [mysterious music continues playing] 17 00:01:00,643 --> 00:01:03,813 [Sharon Rocha] I remember, before I met Scott, 18 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:07,692 Laci telling me all these things about him, 19 00:01:07,776 --> 00:01:09,486 all these things that he had done. 20 00:01:10,236 --> 00:01:11,863 I remember turning to Ron and saying, 21 00:01:11,946 --> 00:01:15,992 "I hope he's not filling her with a lotta crap about himself." 22 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:19,704 I said, "Because that just... doesn't sound plausible 23 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:21,915 to have done that much, and he's, what?" 24 00:01:21,998 --> 00:01:24,292 Whatever age he was at the time, 22 or... 25 00:01:24,375 --> 00:01:27,545 But then, when I met him, you know, he seemed very nice 26 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:30,340 and, like I said, respectful and pleasant, 27 00:01:30,423 --> 00:01:33,718 and... I didn't think much about that again. 28 00:01:37,555 --> 00:01:39,724 I have learned to go with a gut feeling. 29 00:01:50,151 --> 00:01:51,694 [helicopter whirring] 30 00:01:55,907 --> 00:01:58,368 [newscaster] Just this afternoon, a badly decomposed body 31 00:01:58,451 --> 00:02:00,286 was found near Point Isabel in Richmond, 32 00:02:00,370 --> 00:02:02,872 and last night, the body of a male fetus 33 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:05,583 was found just a few miles away, if that far. 34 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:09,546 Gloria Gomez joins us live from the scene with more on this story. Gloria? 35 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:12,465 Paul, this could be a major break in the Laci Peterson case. 36 00:02:12,549 --> 00:02:15,802 I can tell you that investigators from Modesto PD are here. 37 00:02:15,885 --> 00:02:17,804 {\an8}We, of course, will be here, Paul, 38 00:02:17,887 --> 00:02:20,557 {\an8}and bring you the very latest when we have it. 39 00:02:21,099 --> 00:02:23,268 {\an8}Her torso had washed up. 40 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:26,479 {\an8}And so we were right back out there, 41 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:31,818 {\an8}basically telling the audience that the worst-case scenario has happened. 42 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,029 It was heartbreaking to tell it. 43 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:40,743 I had to... keep myself composed 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,791 because I knew that I was delivering some hard news to the community 45 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:49,544 that was really rooting for Laci to be alive. 46 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:51,128 And I knew that. 47 00:02:54,215 --> 00:02:57,218 I saw it on the news, and I immediately called the detective, 48 00:02:57,302 --> 00:02:59,512 {\an8}and I said, "Is it her?" 49 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:01,681 {\an8}And he says, "I can't say." 50 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:05,435 {\an8}He said, "But..." And I said, "Okay." 51 00:03:05,518 --> 00:03:07,270 [helicopter whirring] 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,816 {\an8}- Devastating. - Knew right away. 53 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,985 {\an8}- I think we got phone calls. - Devastating. 54 00:03:14,068 --> 00:03:15,069 {\an8}- Yeah. - 'Cause we knew. 55 00:03:15,153 --> 00:03:16,154 {\an8}We knew right away. 56 00:03:16,237 --> 00:03:18,740 Laci made that happen. She came back. 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,035 She wanted us to know that things were going to be okay, 58 00:03:22,619 --> 00:03:24,454 as well as they could be. 59 00:03:25,538 --> 00:03:28,625 And that the person responsible was going to 60 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,169 face his... 61 00:03:32,003 --> 00:03:33,421 - Justice. - Yeah. 62 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:37,008 [melancholic music playing] 63 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:41,387 The chief of police called me. 64 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:44,557 {\an8}[inhales sharply] 65 00:03:48,394 --> 00:03:49,394 {\an8}Yeah. 66 00:03:56,986 --> 00:03:58,321 Yeah. Um... 67 00:04:03,326 --> 00:04:05,536 [Gloria] And so this is now a murder investigation. 68 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:07,497 It's no longer a missing case. 69 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:11,459 It is a complete fast-forward investigation. 70 00:04:11,542 --> 00:04:13,544 [suspenseful music playing] 71 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:18,007 {\an8}He did it. I mean, that's where I'm at right now. 72 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:22,095 My focus is we've caught Scott, and his alibi is so blown up 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,557 because on December 24th, during my interview with Scott Peterson, 74 00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:29,686 he told me he went to Brooks Island fishing. 75 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:34,482 When you got in your boat, and you took off, did you go very far or... 76 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:37,568 [Scott] Maybe a couple miles. I went north, um... 77 00:04:38,152 --> 00:04:43,157 Found a... like, a little island kinda deal there, um... 78 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:45,159 The island had a bunch of trash on it. 79 00:04:45,243 --> 00:04:47,620 I remember a big sign that said, "No landing." 80 00:04:49,163 --> 00:04:53,584 [Al] Four months later, Laci and Conner were found near Brooks Island. 81 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:59,632 That's a huge... thing to overcome. 82 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:06,014 [Sharon Hagan] The bodies coming up in the bay solidified in my mind 83 00:05:06,097 --> 00:05:08,141 what we actually believed all along. 84 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:15,231 {\an8}In my opinion, and this is based on my experience in many homicides, 85 00:05:15,898 --> 00:05:19,068 {\an8}I believe that this was what I would call a soft kill, 86 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:25,241 um, that he either suffocated her or he strangled her, 87 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:29,537 and there would be two reasons that he would choose to do that. 88 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:31,372 One is that it's very quiet. 89 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:35,251 Secondly, it doesn't make a mess. 90 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:42,091 {\an8}[Al] Then, I think, between the 23rd or the 24th, 91 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,886 {\an8}he wraps her in the tarp, 92 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:47,722 drags her through the house. 93 00:05:47,805 --> 00:05:51,392 It's all tile floors except for when you get to that one door, 94 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:53,686 and that's where the rug is all scrunched up. 95 00:05:54,228 --> 00:05:57,523 {\an8}I think he, on purpose, left the dog on the leash. 96 00:05:59,108 --> 00:06:00,943 {\an8}He put her in the back of the truck, 97 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:03,446 {\an8}puts these umbrellas in a blue tarp, 98 00:06:03,529 --> 00:06:05,281 {\an8}probably covered her with it. 99 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:08,618 {\an8}He took her over to the warehouse. 100 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:13,706 {\an8}He backed his truck into the warehouse where the boat was. 101 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:15,291 He put her in the boat. 102 00:06:18,252 --> 00:06:21,381 - Then he drove her to the bay. - [seagulls crying] 103 00:06:21,964 --> 00:06:25,885 [Sharon Hagan] And he put the boat in the water with Laci's body in the boat. 104 00:06:25,968 --> 00:06:27,762 He went out to Brooks Island, 105 00:06:27,845 --> 00:06:30,765 and he dumped her weighted body into the water, 106 00:06:30,848 --> 00:06:32,934 hoping that it would never, ever come up. 107 00:06:35,186 --> 00:06:37,855 He tried to make this look like a disappearance, 108 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:40,691 but the story just didn't... 109 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:43,903 didn't stand up. 110 00:06:48,282 --> 00:06:50,701 [Jon] This case doesn't have a witness, doesn't have a video, 111 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:52,161 it doesn't have a confession, 112 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:55,373 {\an8}but it's got everything else that you're lookin' for. 113 00:06:55,456 --> 00:06:58,835 {\an8}And then once the bodies were found, we had a complete case. 114 00:06:58,918 --> 00:07:00,503 [dramatic music playing] 115 00:07:03,631 --> 00:07:07,385 But we knew that to confirm the identification of the bodies, 116 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:08,970 it had to be done by DNA. 117 00:07:10,847 --> 00:07:14,559 [Al] Us, the cops, the homicide guys, we know it's Conner. 118 00:07:14,642 --> 00:07:18,688 I mean, where it came up compared to where, uh, Scott said he was, 119 00:07:18,771 --> 00:07:20,064 we know it's Conner. 120 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:24,777 When Laci came up, she had maternity clothes on. 121 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:26,904 We pretty much knew. 122 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:28,990 [dramatic music continues playing] 123 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:32,869 And that's when we went to the judge. 124 00:07:33,661 --> 00:07:35,705 We got the warrant for Scott's arrest. 125 00:07:36,539 --> 00:07:39,667 We had a tracker on his little truck, and we found the truck, 126 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:43,546 but somebody else was driving it, so we couldn't find him by tracker, 127 00:07:43,629 --> 00:07:46,090 but we did find him by wiretap. 128 00:07:49,969 --> 00:07:52,013 - [man] Hey. - [Scott] Hey, Joe. 129 00:07:52,096 --> 00:07:53,473 [Joe] Brother. What's up? 130 00:07:53,556 --> 00:07:56,934 I saw the... picture in The Modesto, 131 00:07:57,018 --> 00:08:00,062 where everybody's leaving flowers and stuffed animals and everything 132 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:01,355 in front of your house. 133 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:02,773 - [Scott] Oh yeah. - [Joe] Yeah. 134 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:05,568 I mean, people are just leaving a lot of stuff. 135 00:08:05,651 --> 00:08:07,904 You know, like, gosh. Yeah. 136 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:09,363 [Al] He was in San Diego, 137 00:08:09,447 --> 00:08:12,200 and that's only about less than an hour from the Mexico border. 138 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:14,160 That's why we wanted to keep an eye on him. 139 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:20,875 {\an8}[Susan] Scott was staying at my house in San Diego that day. 140 00:08:20,958 --> 00:08:23,252 {\an8}He had left early that morning 141 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:27,757 {\an8}to meet up with my dad and my brothers, Mark and Joe, 142 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,929 {\an8}to go golf, do something that was normal for them to do. 143 00:08:33,012 --> 00:08:34,931 Kind of take the pressure off. 144 00:08:35,014 --> 00:08:36,557 [suspenseful music playing] 145 00:08:37,475 --> 00:08:41,062 [Jon] He's up and running early in the morning, and we're following him. 146 00:08:41,687 --> 00:08:43,356 We've got DOJ agents in cars. 147 00:08:43,439 --> 00:08:47,068 We've got an aircraft up, and we're following him in our two cars. 148 00:08:47,151 --> 00:08:48,861 [suspenseful music continues playing] 149 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:50,655 [tires screech] 150 00:08:51,239 --> 00:08:53,533 {\an8}That morning, he's noticing he's being followed, 151 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:56,118 {\an8}and Scott spends the next three to four hours 152 00:08:56,202 --> 00:09:00,665 trying to shake this tail he's got that he thinks is media. 153 00:09:00,748 --> 00:09:05,044 [Al] And he is driving worse than any drug dealer I've ever followed. 154 00:09:05,127 --> 00:09:07,088 I mean, it's getting dangerous. 155 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:10,091 He is driving so bad that the helicopter even lost him. 156 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:14,303 But we could keep finding him by his phone. 157 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:16,389 - [Joe] Where you at? - [Scott] On Genesee. 158 00:09:16,472 --> 00:09:21,894 - I don't think I should come play golf. - [Joe] Oh gosh. Oh brother. 159 00:09:21,978 --> 00:09:25,523 And we knew he knew he was being followed 160 00:09:25,606 --> 00:09:27,567 because we could hear him on the phone, 161 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:29,569 but he thought we were the media. 162 00:09:29,652 --> 00:09:31,320 [Scott] These guys know I'm onto them. 163 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:34,282 I stopped on the highway, and they, you know, stopped behind me. 164 00:09:34,365 --> 00:09:37,076 I better skip it 'cause I don't think I want a picture of me 165 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:38,995 in the press playing golf. 166 00:09:39,078 --> 00:09:42,415 Finally, we got to the point where this is dangerous, 167 00:09:42,498 --> 00:09:45,084 so we decided we have to arrest him. 168 00:09:45,167 --> 00:09:46,711 [tires screech] 169 00:09:46,794 --> 00:09:49,422 [Janey] It's when he's pulling up to the Torrey Pines Golf Course, 170 00:09:49,505 --> 00:09:51,841 one of those cars puts a siren on top. 171 00:09:51,924 --> 00:09:53,092 [siren wailing] 172 00:09:53,175 --> 00:09:54,775 [Jon] We were in a long caravan of cars. 173 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:57,888 We pulled up just as the DOJ guys were handcuffing Scott. 174 00:09:57,972 --> 00:10:00,057 We got out, we told him that he was under arrest. 175 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:04,020 {\an8}[Al] He had orange hair. He had an orange goatee. 176 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:08,983 {\an8}I walk up, and he's, "Al, tell me it wasn't my wife and baby." You know? 177 00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:10,735 I'm like, "That's ridiculous." 178 00:10:10,818 --> 00:10:13,487 I mean, you know, come on, Scott. You know better than that. 179 00:10:16,657 --> 00:10:18,242 [theme music plays] 180 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:19,619 {\an8}And hello, everyone. 181 00:10:19,702 --> 00:10:22,997 {\an8}I'm Arthel Neville in the CNN Newsroom with the headlines at this hour. 182 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,542 {\an8}CNN has confirmed that Scott Peterson is under arrest tonight, 183 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:27,627 arrested in San Diego... 184 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:29,503 We begin tonight with breaking news. 185 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:32,089 There's a break in the case of Laci Peterson... 186 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:34,342 The arrest of Scott Peterson right now... 187 00:10:34,425 --> 00:10:37,887 [newscaster] Police have taken Scott Peterson into custody. 188 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:40,681 From Torrey Pines, we drove him over to the Department of Justice, 189 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:43,017 where we searched him and searched his car. 190 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:46,354 {\an8}It was a little two-seater, a Mercedes. 191 00:10:46,937 --> 00:10:48,981 He was prepared for anything in the car. 192 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:51,901 He had over... almost 15,000 dollars in cash. 193 00:10:51,984 --> 00:10:54,820 I think he had four or five cell phones. 194 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,489 He had several knives. 195 00:10:56,572 --> 00:10:58,366 I mean, he had some Viagra. 196 00:10:58,449 --> 00:11:01,869 He had a shovel. He had rope, a cooking grill. 197 00:11:01,952 --> 00:11:04,455 He had credit cards for himself, 198 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:07,416 but he also had family-member credit cards in the car. 199 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,628 He also had his brother's ID right on the center console 200 00:11:10,711 --> 00:11:15,966 {\an8}that actually he similarly looked like with the new hairdo he had. 201 00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:21,889 {\an8}The fact that Scott Peterson is arrested 30 miles from the Mexican border 202 00:11:22,431 --> 00:11:25,893 created this perception that Scott was in flight 203 00:11:25,976 --> 00:11:28,145 when he was arrested, and... 204 00:11:30,356 --> 00:11:31,565 But that's just not the case. 205 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:34,527 {\an8}He'd been to San Diego multiple times while Laci was missing, 206 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:37,988 {\an8}so the notion that Scott was trying to evade the police 207 00:11:38,072 --> 00:11:40,157 is just... it just isn't accurate. 208 00:11:40,241 --> 00:11:41,951 [tense music playing] 209 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:47,206 He agreed and signed off to come home with us to Modesto. 210 00:11:49,083 --> 00:11:52,670 Scott was sitting behind me, Craig Grogan was sitting next to him in the back seat, 211 00:11:52,753 --> 00:11:55,423 and we drive back to Modesto, a five, six-hour drive. 212 00:11:56,716 --> 00:12:00,052 [Al] We had to arrest him before the DNA was confirmed. 213 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:02,972 Then we got a call, and it was confirmed. 214 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:05,307 That's Conner and Laci's DNA. 215 00:12:06,934 --> 00:12:10,771 So then Scott... Craig told me he just kind of lowered his head. 216 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:14,275 He said he saw a tear, but he didn't say anything. 217 00:12:14,358 --> 00:12:15,443 He was just quiet. 218 00:12:15,526 --> 00:12:17,528 [tense music continues playing] 219 00:12:20,781 --> 00:12:23,826 It was time to get some gas and use the bathroom, 220 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:25,745 and then probably get a bite to eat. 221 00:12:25,828 --> 00:12:28,080 He asked where I was goin', and I said, 222 00:12:28,164 --> 00:12:31,125 "Well, there's an In-N-Out up the road here a little ways." 223 00:12:31,208 --> 00:12:34,587 "We're gonna probably stop there." I've got the transcript right here. 224 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:38,215 And Scott goes, "I'll have a double-double with cheese, fries." 225 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:40,259 "A small vanilla shake would be great." 226 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:45,097 And... to me, that was an enormous red flag 227 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:47,933 on the fact that the notification didn't surprise him, 228 00:12:48,017 --> 00:12:50,811 that he already knew the results of this from four months earlier, 229 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:53,105 and that he really didn't care. He was ready to eat. 230 00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:55,024 [suspenseful music playing] 231 00:12:56,484 --> 00:12:57,359 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 232 00:12:57,443 --> 00:13:01,655 {\an8}[Al] We got to Modesto, and it was, like, midnight or even after, 233 00:13:01,739 --> 00:13:05,159 {\an8}but there was a crowd of people with signs. 234 00:13:05,242 --> 00:13:07,995 I've never had that happen before, other than this case, 235 00:13:08,078 --> 00:13:12,958 where somebody cheers, you know, after an arrest. 236 00:13:13,042 --> 00:13:15,586 We're outside the gate of the Stanislaus County jail. 237 00:13:15,669 --> 00:13:18,714 This is where Scott Peterson will be held until his arraignment. 238 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:21,091 {\an8}Look at this, all the people who have gathered 239 00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:22,927 {\an8}to catch a glimpse of Peterson 240 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:26,388 {\an8}as he was driven here from San Diego by detectives. 241 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,224 {\an8}[Gloria] All of these reporters lined up 242 00:13:28,307 --> 00:13:30,684 {\an8}right in front of the Modesto Police Department. 243 00:13:30,768 --> 00:13:34,104 {\an8}All of a sudden, you have members of the public showing up. 244 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:37,608 They had lived this case for so many months. 245 00:13:37,691 --> 00:13:40,486 Now they wanted to see a villain firsthand. 246 00:13:40,569 --> 00:13:42,279 {\an8}[tense music playing] 247 00:13:42,363 --> 00:13:44,031 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 248 00:13:44,114 --> 00:13:45,616 {\an8}I think I watched 249 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,202 {\an8}because it was broadcast live, 250 00:13:48,285 --> 00:13:53,290 {\an8}him driving in the back seat of the detectives' car 251 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:55,251 and the gauntlet of people 252 00:13:55,334 --> 00:13:57,670 that had come out in the middle of the night. 253 00:13:57,753 --> 00:13:59,338 I was horrified. 254 00:13:59,421 --> 00:14:01,924 It looked like he was being taken to the slaughterhouse. 255 00:14:02,007 --> 00:14:03,592 You know, it was... 256 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:06,387 {\an8}it was just a... a terrible scene. 257 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:07,721 {\an8}[distant chatter] 258 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:12,935 [Gloria] I'd never seen anything like that ever. 259 00:14:15,354 --> 00:14:19,692 In a crazy way, internally, I was like, "Wow." 260 00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:22,194 "We kind of created this." 261 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:27,491 We, the media, created this. 262 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,368 {\an8}[theme music plays] 263 00:14:29,451 --> 00:14:32,997 {\an8}[Larry King]Tonight, what's going on with Scott Peterson's defense? 264 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,833 {\an8}There are reports that none other than Mark Geragos, 265 00:14:35,916 --> 00:14:39,378 {\an8}the high-profile attorney who's been a frequent guest on this program, 266 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:40,963 could be the new lawyer. 267 00:14:41,922 --> 00:14:43,757 The moment I hear it's Mark Geragos, 268 00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:47,803 I'm like, "Oh wow, that's a big name. That's a big lawyer from LA." 269 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:49,967 [reporter] He's one of the most well-known attorneys. 270 00:14:50,014 --> 00:14:54,018 It's a position he earned by taking on some of the highest-profile cases, 271 00:14:54,101 --> 00:14:58,105 vigorously defending his clients both inside and outside the courtroom. 272 00:14:58,689 --> 00:15:03,777 [man] Mark and I started working together on trials about two years before Scott. 273 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:07,489 The way that it happened that... that we came to represent Scott Peterson 274 00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:09,950 {\an8}was that Mark was on Larry King. 275 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:13,954 {\an8}Uh, pretty much every night, Larry King was now running a Scott Peterson segment. 276 00:15:14,038 --> 00:15:15,915 {\an8}Condemn him as a narcissist. 277 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:17,767 {\an8}- [woman 1] No. - Condemn his character flaws. 278 00:15:17,791 --> 00:15:19,627 {\an8}But that does not make him a murderer. 279 00:15:19,710 --> 00:15:22,504 {\an8}Condemn him because he might be guilty of adultery. 280 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:24,173 {\an8}- [woman 2] Wendy, Mark... - Mark... 281 00:15:24,256 --> 00:15:25,936 {\an8}- Why do you make him a murderer? - Mark... 282 00:15:26,008 --> 00:15:29,803 {\an8}[Susan] My parents got to be familiar with him through seeing him on TV. 283 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:33,057 All of Mark's points resonated with them, 284 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:38,020 so when it came time to look at attorneys, he was one of the first. 285 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:41,106 [Gloria] The judge says this can move forward, 286 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:44,026 and right when that hearing is over, 287 00:15:44,109 --> 00:15:46,862 Mark Geragos, along with the Petersons, 288 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,866 come right outside the courthouse steps and give a press conference. 289 00:15:51,533 --> 00:15:54,954 And he says he is going to prove 290 00:15:55,037 --> 00:15:57,831 that Scott Peterson had nothing to do with this, 291 00:15:57,915 --> 00:15:59,708 that this is a witch hunt. 292 00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:03,754 {\an8}We are happy that Mark, uh, is in place as Scott's attorney, 293 00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:07,091 {\an8}and, um, we do look forward to proving his innocence. 294 00:16:07,174 --> 00:16:09,009 [tense music playing] 295 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:10,761 [indistinct chatter] 296 00:16:10,844 --> 00:16:13,347 [man] I was one of the two attorneys 297 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:16,266 that basically packed up and moved to Modesto 298 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:18,143 to start working on this case. 299 00:16:19,019 --> 00:16:23,440 {\an8}This case was just your garden-variety homicide. 300 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,818 {\an8}It didn't involve any celebrities, 301 00:16:25,901 --> 00:16:29,613 {\an8}yet it turned into this media feeding frenzy. 302 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:34,827 [Amber] I had no idea how I was supposed to 303 00:16:35,411 --> 00:16:37,329 {\an8}deal with the stories coming out, 304 00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:40,708 {\an8}and so I started looking for an attorney. 305 00:16:41,917 --> 00:16:44,294 {\an8}So my dad gave me a number of an attorney. 306 00:16:44,378 --> 00:16:45,921 {\an8}Her name was Gloria Allred. 307 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,757 {\an8}Women who find themselves in high-profile scandals 308 00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:53,053 {\an8}with the famous and powerful flock to Gloria Allred for legal counsel. 309 00:16:53,137 --> 00:16:56,015 {\an8}Allred represented the family of Nicole Brown Simpson. 310 00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:57,433 {\an8}Allred also represents 311 00:16:57,516 --> 00:17:01,353 {\an8}two of Tiger Woods' mistresses, Joslyn James and Rachel Uchitel. 312 00:17:02,187 --> 00:17:04,231 [Amber] So I called Gloria's office, 313 00:17:04,314 --> 00:17:07,484 and we made arrangements for her to come out to meet with me 314 00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:09,445 so we could have a face-to-face. 315 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:14,241 She had offered to retain me pro bono. 316 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:17,828 There was a good connection. I felt good about Gloria. 317 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:21,123 [Gloria Allred] In addition to being a witness, 318 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:24,835 Amber is also a victim of Scott's deception. 319 00:17:24,918 --> 00:17:28,297 Victims are entitled to attorneys, as are witnesses. 320 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:32,051 I had been commenting on the case on television, 321 00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:34,011 particularly on Fox News, 322 00:17:34,094 --> 00:17:35,804 and I was very concerned. 323 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:40,934 {\an8}It seemed as though every day there were stories about Amber coming out, 324 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:45,355 and, of course, it would be and was in the interest 325 00:17:45,439 --> 00:17:48,692 of the defense and supporters of the defense 326 00:17:48,776 --> 00:17:50,903 to undermine her credibility. 327 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:53,655 That was key. 328 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:56,408 If she's going to be the key prosecution witness, 329 00:17:57,993 --> 00:18:01,371 the court of public opinion is also very important 330 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:03,207 because, after all, 331 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:08,879 the jurors who were ultimately going to be chosen for the jury pool 332 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:15,177 would likely have been hearing or reading or seeing or all of the above 333 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:18,013 quite a bit about this case 334 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:21,683 before they ever sat in the courtroom. 335 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:24,394 We were just chomping at the bit... 336 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:25,395 [indistinct chatter] 337 00:18:25,479 --> 00:18:27,731 ...to get information. People were eating it up. 338 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:30,442 - Come on, be human beings. - [man] Leave her alone. 339 00:18:30,526 --> 00:18:33,278 {\an8}But keep in mind, the more stories I do 340 00:18:33,362 --> 00:18:37,282 {\an8}and the more stories that end up in national news and everywhere, 341 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:42,830 it became such a toxic community for Scott Peterson to get a fair trial, 342 00:18:42,913 --> 00:18:45,958 and so at that point, they made a motion to move the case. 343 00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:49,795 [reporter 1] Now his fate is in the hands of the people of San Mateo County. 344 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,423 {\an8}[reporter 2] It's taken months to get to this point, 345 00:18:53,507 --> 00:18:57,136 {\an8}but jury selection has finally started in Scott Peterson's murder trial. 346 00:18:58,095 --> 00:19:01,014 {\an8}The judge told prospective jurors that they'll know within an hour 347 00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:03,267 {\an8}whether they'll be sitting on the Peterson case 348 00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:05,853 {\an8}that is now set to start on June 1st. 349 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:09,815 [man 1] When I heard about Scott Peterson and Laci, 350 00:19:09,898 --> 00:19:12,985 {\an8}I didn't really follow it until, I think, the last thing I'd heard 351 00:19:13,068 --> 00:19:14,444 {\an8}is when they found the bodies, 352 00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:17,447 and later on, I'd gotten a jury summons, 353 00:19:17,531 --> 00:19:20,033 and it wasn't even clicking. 354 00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:23,912 When I got there, when I walked into the lobby and I saw all the people, 355 00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:26,081 there must've been hundreds of people, 356 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:28,750 and it was like, "What's going on? This is crazy." 357 00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:31,211 And then we got shuffled into this courtroom, 358 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:33,380 and then I remember Scott Peterson stood up, 359 00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:35,174 and then I was just like, "Oh my." 360 00:19:36,216 --> 00:19:39,887 [man 2] I promised myself one thing, that I would do everything I could 361 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:41,972 {\an8}to assure that this gentleman got a good trial. 362 00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:43,432 {\an8}I'm looking at this young man, 363 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:45,767 {\an8}and I'm saying, "I've got a son about his age." 364 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,353 I looked at this guy, and I said, "No way." 365 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:51,356 You know, "Show me what you have." 366 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,858 "Convince me 367 00:19:54,151 --> 00:19:58,488 that this young man did what you're accusing him of doing." 368 00:19:58,572 --> 00:20:01,200 He's a cad. He cheated on his wife. Whoopee! 369 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:05,704 Yeah, that... a dollar won't buy you a cup o' coffee at Starbucks. 370 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,583 It's just that simple. It doesn't matter. It's not relevant. 371 00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:10,834 What's relevant is, 372 00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:15,172 "Show me what would lead me to conclude he was guilty," 373 00:20:15,797 --> 00:20:18,508 and if you don't have that, have a nice day. 374 00:20:18,592 --> 00:20:20,177 It's been nice talking to ya. 375 00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:24,407 [reporter] More than a year after Scott Peterson's arrest, 376 00:20:24,431 --> 00:20:26,099 he is finally getting his day in court. 377 00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:29,353 [newscaster] Let's get to our top story. It is here in California this morning. 378 00:20:29,436 --> 00:20:31,188 Opening statements begin today 379 00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:34,066 in the double-murder trial of Scott Peterson. 380 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:37,069 [reporter] Now, there are expected to be a hundred witnesses or more 381 00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:38,779 over the next five months or so, 382 00:20:38,862 --> 00:20:41,782 {\an8}a marathon case that has just begun. 383 00:20:42,449 --> 00:20:43,992 [Sharon Rocha] I went every day. 384 00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:47,287 {\an8}The police weren't telling us anything because they couldn't. 385 00:20:47,788 --> 00:20:50,666 {\an8}That's why I desperately wanted to be in that courtroom. I... 386 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:55,212 I found out more information during the trial than I even knew existed. 387 00:20:55,796 --> 00:20:57,589 I... I could not not be there. 388 00:20:58,715 --> 00:21:00,634 [indistinct conversation] 389 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:04,471 [Susan] I absolutely felt helpless. 390 00:21:05,555 --> 00:21:08,934 And that's why I wanted to get on a plane and be there, 391 00:21:09,017 --> 00:21:11,395 {\an8}and I didn't want to go through that experience, 392 00:21:11,478 --> 00:21:13,605 {\an8}but I knew I wanted to be in the courtroom. 393 00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:17,401 [reporter] In opening statements, Mark Geragos said 394 00:21:17,484 --> 00:21:20,821 the case against Peterson was flimsy and circumstantial, 395 00:21:20,904 --> 00:21:24,866 adding his client was, quote, "stone-cold innocent." 396 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:29,454 [Nareg] There was no direct evidence connecting Scott to these murders. 397 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:32,874 The government essentially relied on circumstantial evidence. 398 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:36,211 {\an8}The prosecutor is not able to prove 399 00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:40,841 {\an8}where the crime occurred, how the crime occurred, 400 00:21:40,924 --> 00:21:42,801 and when the crime occurred. 401 00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:44,219 [gavel bangs] 402 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:45,929 All rise and come to order. 403 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:49,641 It was like a real-life soap opera happening in your living room. 404 00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,227 It was always being compared to OJ Simpson, right? 405 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:56,106 Well, Scott Peterson became the new OJ Simpson. 406 00:21:56,189 --> 00:22:01,194 The only difference was that this case was not televised. 407 00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:06,199 This was basically left up for journalists to tell the story 408 00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,035 based on what they observed, 409 00:22:08,118 --> 00:22:12,039 {\an8}and I was there every day for the trial to find the hook for the day, 410 00:22:12,122 --> 00:22:13,582 find the headline of the day. 411 00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:15,959 Sources tell us, during the course of the hearing, 412 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:19,046 prosecutors are likely to call close to 30 witnesses. 413 00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:20,297 The only issue... 414 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:23,633 [reporter 1] Prosecutors laid out their circumstantial case for jurors 415 00:22:23,717 --> 00:22:24,801 brick by brick. 416 00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:27,554 From the moment Laci Peterson was reported missing, 417 00:22:27,637 --> 00:22:30,932 prosecutors say Scott Peterson couldn't keep his story straight. 418 00:22:31,641 --> 00:22:32,726 Be that as it may... 419 00:22:32,809 --> 00:22:35,520 [Ted] The lead prosecutors for Stanislaus County 420 00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:38,023 were Rick Distaso and Dave Harris. 421 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:39,441 [inaudible speech] 422 00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:43,653 {\an8}And... and... [sighs] ...they just felt a little bit... 423 00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:46,573 {\an8}Well, not a little bit. They were outmatched. Let's face it. 424 00:22:46,656 --> 00:22:49,159 Stanislaus County is not LA County. 425 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:51,703 These guys were now up against 426 00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:56,124 probably, you know, arguably, one of the best attorneys in the state. 427 00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:58,377 [reporter 2] The first point scored against prosecutors 428 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:00,212 came from an unlikely source, 429 00:23:00,295 --> 00:23:03,340 a Martha Stewart cooking show featuring meringue. 430 00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:06,051 [Ted] The State basically called Scott a liar, 431 00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:09,221 saying that he made up he and Laci were watching TV 432 00:23:09,304 --> 00:23:11,681 the morning that she disappeared 433 00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:14,976 and that they were watching this Martha Stewart program. 434 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:17,437 {\an8}And one of the major points they were gonna hit on 435 00:23:17,521 --> 00:23:20,982 {\an8}in their opening was there was no meringue on that show. 436 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,944 Well, we got the video of the 24th, 437 00:23:24,027 --> 00:23:28,156 and, lo and behold, at almost exactly the same time as Scott said, 438 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,700 there's Martha Stewart talking about meringue. 439 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:33,245 So what are we going to do with all the egg whites? 440 00:23:33,328 --> 00:23:36,498 - Ooh, you wanna make little meringues? - Oh, that would be nice. 441 00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:38,583 That was the end of the meringue. 442 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,460 You never heard from the prosecution again. 443 00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:45,090 [Ted] I mean, how do you make that mistake? 444 00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:52,514 And Geragos was ripping the first few witnesses apart 445 00:23:52,597 --> 00:23:53,807 on cross-examination. 446 00:23:55,058 --> 00:23:57,352 [Al] I am one of the first witnesses. 447 00:23:57,853 --> 00:23:59,771 There's a lot of people out there, 448 00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:03,150 and the front row is Sharon and the family, 449 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,485 and Lee's family on this side, 450 00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:11,199 {\an8}and then all the media, the Fox people, people I see on TV who I don't know, 451 00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:12,826 {\an8}they're all looking at me. 452 00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:15,245 First question. I've always done this. 453 00:24:15,328 --> 00:24:18,039 I turn to the jury, and I'm answering to the jury. 454 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:22,210 Geragos is like, "Look at me! Look at me when I'm talking to you!" 455 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,129 And I... I looked at him, and Distaso... 456 00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:27,841 Everybody's, like, in shock, and Distaso's... "I object, Your Honor." 457 00:24:27,924 --> 00:24:30,469 "He can look wherever he wants when he's talking." 458 00:24:30,552 --> 00:24:32,804 And he asked me another question. I started turning. 459 00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:36,099 He goes, "You're afraid to look at me!" I mean, he's screaming at me. 460 00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:40,061 And he's... I guess he's just trying to intimidate the crap out of me. 461 00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:41,938 [dramatic music playing] 462 00:24:42,022 --> 00:24:44,399 [Al] Geragos wants to play something. We don't know what. 463 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,318 I'm sitting on the witness stand waiting, 464 00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:49,488 and they go back in the judge's chambers for a while, 465 00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:53,783 and when they come out, I could see Distaso and Harris. 466 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:56,036 They're looking a little nervous. 467 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,747 So I don't know what's gonna be played. I have no idea. 468 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:01,791 But they sit down, and then they let Geragos do it. 469 00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:05,670 So what we do in Modesto is we dictate a police report, 470 00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:11,009 and on this one day, I'm talking to a neighbor of Scott's shop. 471 00:25:11,092 --> 00:25:15,347 When I got home, I dictated that John Doe said he heard through the grapevine 472 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:18,850 that Laci used the other neighbor, Peggy O'Donnell's, bathroom. 473 00:25:20,143 --> 00:25:23,313 So when I was testifying, he plays my tape, 474 00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:25,732 and it's typing at the same time. 475 00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:29,236 Then he puts my police report up there. Same thing, types it out. 476 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,446 But that one line is gone. 477 00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:36,034 And everybody in the courtroom is like, "Ooh!" 478 00:25:36,117 --> 00:25:40,413 Like that is really... I'm hiding s... evidence. 479 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:44,918 Then Geragos is like, "Your Honor, I think we should call it a... the weekend," 480 00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:49,673 so that could just sit there for... and percolate. 481 00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:51,216 A blistering attack. 482 00:25:51,299 --> 00:25:53,426 {\an8}They're trying to put the finger on Brocchini. 483 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,012 How can you believe what a police officer said? 484 00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:59,224 [reporter] His attack on the credibility of police investigators... 485 00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,350 It's unclear at this point 486 00:26:00,433 --> 00:26:04,187 why Detective Brocchini actually deleted that information from his report, 487 00:26:04,271 --> 00:26:08,858 but you can bet prosecutors on Monday will try to rehabilitate him for the jury. 488 00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,530 [Al] What happened was, on this one day, after I dictated it, turned it in, 489 00:26:13,613 --> 00:26:17,742 {\an8}now we all sit down together, and I tell all the detectives what I heard, 490 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:22,247 {\an8}and Detective Dennis Holmes, he says, "Whoa, I interviewed Peggy." 491 00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:27,377 So he could testify to what Peggy said. 492 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:29,546 Mine was through the grapevine, 493 00:26:29,629 --> 00:26:33,633 and so I deleted that sentence because it was in his report. 494 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,177 Could look wrong to the jury. 495 00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:38,555 It could look wrong to the, you know, Rochas. 496 00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:40,348 I mean, I... I was feeling... 497 00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:43,727 When I was seeing Sharon and Ron and the kids, 498 00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:48,607 it was a tough... it was... it was a tough cross-examine for me. 499 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,401 Listening in at the beginning, I thought it was going nowhere. 500 00:26:51,484 --> 00:26:53,987 I thought this was gonna be a waste of taxpayer dollars. 501 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:58,366 I knew the death penalty was on the table, but, for me, Scott Peterson was innocent, 502 00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:01,036 so I didn't think it was going to get to that point. 503 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,121 I really thought that this was going nowhere. 504 00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:06,124 It was stressful, but, you know, it was intense. 505 00:27:06,207 --> 00:27:10,086 But... I needed to know everything that they knew. 506 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:11,810 It was only a couple days I wasn't there. 507 00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:15,592 One morning, I had a really bad cold, but I ended up going in the afternoon. 508 00:27:15,675 --> 00:27:18,803 The other time was when they were talking about the conditions of her body. 509 00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:20,889 I didn't go to... to trial that day. 510 00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:27,354 [Gloria Gomez] In a case that lacks physical evidence, 511 00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:29,689 most believe there is one powerful piece. 512 00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:31,399 Don't trip. 513 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:36,071 [Gloria] A medical examiner's testimony would come down to one critical question. 514 00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:40,325 Was baby Conner born alive? Prosecutors want the jury to believe 515 00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:43,578 Conner died with his mother on December 24th. 516 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,331 The defense wants them to see it another way. 517 00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:49,584 [Jon] What the coroner determined on Conner's age 518 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,754 was an estimate of between 33 and 38 weeks. 519 00:27:52,837 --> 00:27:54,714 Again, this is an estimate only, 520 00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:58,301 {\an8}and there's not an exacting science that's gonna be able to pin that down, 521 00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:03,890 {\an8}but that does put it outside of, uh, and a bit later than, uh, December 24th, 522 00:28:03,973 --> 00:28:06,059 when we believe Laci was actually killed. 523 00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:12,107 Not being able to hone in to a specific time of death 524 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,609 did hurt the prosecution's case 525 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,112 because it opened up a whole different theory 526 00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:20,907 of, uh, potentially someone kidnapping a pregnant woman 527 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:22,117 because they want the baby. 528 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,536 This is not good for the State of California. 529 00:28:24,619 --> 00:28:26,663 Scott Peterson is gonna be found not guilty. 530 00:28:26,746 --> 00:28:30,166 And then Amber Frey completely changed all that. 531 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,252 [suspenseful music playing] 532 00:28:36,172 --> 00:28:37,507 [Gloria Gomez] Amber Frey. 533 00:28:38,341 --> 00:28:40,885 Everybody wanted to hear Amber Frey's story. 534 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:43,263 She was the prosecution's star witness. 535 00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:48,143 This case is either gonna win or lose on Amber Frey's testimony. 536 00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,145 If she flops on the stand, 537 00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:55,150 and if the defense starts chipping away at her credibility, 538 00:28:56,067 --> 00:28:57,485 they're gonna lose this case. 539 00:28:57,569 --> 00:28:59,320 [Pat] Our strategy had always been 540 00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:04,200 that we were gonna have to sort of admit Scott had this affair. 541 00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:08,830 Essentially try and make Scott seem more human 542 00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:13,084 so that we could then argue, "Look, just because you hate somebody 543 00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:15,795 or somebody does... it doesn't make them a murderer." 544 00:29:15,879 --> 00:29:17,881 [suspenseful music continues playing] 545 00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:24,763 [Amber] The first day of trial, I'm walking in the courtroom. 546 00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:27,056 It was completely packed 547 00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:30,268 and as silent as can be. 548 00:29:33,021 --> 00:29:35,523 [voice breaking] And when I first sat on the stand, 549 00:29:36,566 --> 00:29:38,443 I wasn't just sitting there alone. 550 00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:40,487 [inhales sharply] 551 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:45,700 But I was sitting there for Laci and her unborn child. 552 00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:48,203 [indistinct news reporting] 553 00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:52,457 [Amber] I... I feel like Geragos 554 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:56,920 got a little agitated with me at times. 555 00:29:57,003 --> 00:30:00,465 I didn't answer in the way he thought I would or anticipated. 556 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:04,052 Like, "Did Scott ever say he loved you?" 557 00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:08,181 And in reality, my answer was valid. Not in those words. 558 00:30:08,264 --> 00:30:11,476 I mean, his actions, the things he did, the thoughtfulness, um... 559 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,520 I mean, those are all actions of... 560 00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:16,773 But, ultimately, the answer was no. 561 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:21,986 But I think it kind of got under Geragos's skin... 562 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,572 [chuckles]...because I didn't answer straightforward. 563 00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:28,326 It wasn't necessarily a straightforward question either, in my opinion, so... 564 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,082 {\an8}She held her head high when she did testify. 565 00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,292 I think she earned the respect of the jury. 566 00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:38,545 They saw the real Amber Frey, 567 00:30:39,045 --> 00:30:42,465 not the mistaken stereotypes. 568 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,343 [Amber] I was not a mistress. 569 00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,512 If you read the definition, that is a woman 570 00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:51,057 knowingly in a relationship with a married man, 571 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:52,767 and I was not knowingly. 572 00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:56,271 For the first time, there was clarity 573 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,815 as far as who I was 574 00:30:58,898 --> 00:31:01,401 and my relationship with Scott. 575 00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:02,902 {\an8}[phone line crackling] 576 00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:04,988 [recording plays] 577 00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:17,667 Those tapes... were essential. 578 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,628 Scott Peterson invoked his Fifth Amendment privilege 579 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,338 against self-incrimination 580 00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:27,093 and chose not to testify in the case. 581 00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:31,264 But his voice was still in the courtroom 582 00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:34,601 on the tapes that Amber had recorded. 583 00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:39,772 I had no idea that those were gonna be play... 584 00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:42,609 played publicly for other people to hear. 585 00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:44,611 People were hearing conversations 586 00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:48,740 that I thought were only meant for the police department and... 587 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:54,329 possibly attorneys, but not everyone, 588 00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:57,957 meaning, like, pretty much anyone in the world. 589 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:02,962 That was a little... that was a little... hard. 590 00:32:03,963 --> 00:32:05,965 [recording plays] 591 00:32:23,191 --> 00:32:27,070 [Mike] A lot of people believe that the affair was a big deal. 592 00:32:27,153 --> 00:32:29,489 No, I... I didn't see it as a big deal, 593 00:32:29,572 --> 00:32:31,783 and I don't think anybody on the jury did either. 594 00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:36,704 What we did see as a big deal is what he said and what he did. 595 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:39,707 It was damning. It was absolutely damning. 596 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:43,294 And not only the phone calls but the lies. 597 00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:44,712 Yes, the... the charade. 598 00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:49,342 {\an8}What was particularly startling about Scott's style of lying 599 00:32:49,425 --> 00:32:51,344 {\an8}is that he was very shortsighted. 600 00:32:51,844 --> 00:32:53,054 Um, it was obvious to me 601 00:32:53,137 --> 00:32:56,557 that he did not think these things through carefully. 602 00:32:56,641 --> 00:33:01,020 He is emotionally detached to the point where he believed 603 00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:07,235 that investigators and Laci's family and friends and the public 604 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:10,738 would lose interest in her disappearance 605 00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:13,574 in a few short weeks. 606 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,953 It was startling and shocking 607 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:20,456 that he seemed to sincerely believe 608 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:23,459 that he would be free to go on with his new life. 609 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,923 So Scott's behaviors are what told us 610 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,343 that this is a planned, premeditated homicide. 611 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,681 {\an8}He told Amber he had lost his wife, 612 00:33:36,764 --> 00:33:38,599 {\an8}that he needed to be away, 613 00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:42,020 and that when he got back, they could start their life together. 614 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:44,022 He bought a boat. 615 00:33:45,648 --> 00:33:47,608 {\an8}He bought this boat in secret. 616 00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:52,280 When he came home on the 24th, her car was in the driveway, 617 00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:54,365 {\an8}her purse was in the closet, 618 00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,160 {\an8}he did laundry, he ate pizza, 619 00:33:57,243 --> 00:33:58,411 he took a shower, 620 00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:04,125 and then he called Laci's parents. 621 00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:06,044 There is no sense of urgency. 622 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:10,423 Nothing taken from the house, nothing damaged, nothing disturbed. 623 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:13,968 He sold Laci's car. He... he wanted to sell the house. 624 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:17,847 He turned the nursery into a storage area. 625 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:20,349 These are all inappropriate behaviors. 626 00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:23,519 This is not a man who's waiting for Laci to come home. 627 00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,983 And this was the evidence presented by the prosecutor. 628 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:31,986 Laci didn't just disappear. 629 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:36,115 This was actually planned, premeditated murder. 630 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:44,040 You know, the Scott Peterson case, you can't take a part of it 631 00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:46,209 and look at it and say, "Aha," 632 00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:47,919 'cause there is no "aha" moment. 633 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:53,257 But you take the bits and pieces, and you put them all together, 634 00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:54,884 then it draws a picture. 635 00:34:55,718 --> 00:34:57,386 It paints a portrait. 636 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:00,098 [judge] Members of the jury, 637 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:03,434 you have heard all the evidence and the arguments of the attorneys. 638 00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:06,687 [Gloria Gomez] After being instructed by the judge for nearly an hour, 639 00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:12,068 the six men and six women of the jury will now decide Scott Peterson's fate. 640 00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:14,862 {\an8}There is a verdict in the Scott Peterson trial, 641 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:18,199 {\an8}and it will be announced at 1:00 p.m. Pacific time. 642 00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:21,285 - [indistinct chatter] - [dramatic music playing] 643 00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:22,912 [Al] They gave us 90 minutes 644 00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:26,332 from when the... the jury came back before they were gonna read it. 645 00:35:26,874 --> 00:35:31,462 {\an8}We're going to have a live audio feed of the verdict in this case. 646 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:35,216 {\an8}There's a huge gathering of folks from the public that have gathered here. 647 00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:36,801 {\an8}It sends everybody scrambling. 648 00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:40,680 {\an8}It fills up the courtyard outside the Redwood City courthouse. 649 00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,224 Everybody just waited with bated breath. 650 00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,060 [newscaster] What kind of reaction do you think we'll have out here? 651 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:49,438 [Ted] I think the majority of the public thinks that Scott Peterson is guilty, 652 00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:52,441 {\an8}and I think if this jury comes back with a not-guilty verdict, 653 00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:55,987 {\an8}there is going to be a sense of despair and anger. 654 00:35:57,196 --> 00:36:00,575 [Al] Modesto to Redwood City is about 75, 80 miles, 655 00:36:00,658 --> 00:36:03,661 and all the detectives went lights and sirens 656 00:36:03,744 --> 00:36:06,330 from Modesto to Redwood City to get there in time. 657 00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,749 They said the verdict was coming in two hours, 658 00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:11,377 so, at one o'clock, it was gonna be... 659 00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:14,338 you know, we were gonna hear Scott's fate, 660 00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:18,676 and we were pretty much in very good spirits. 661 00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:24,056 I just kind of had felt a sense of, "This is finally coming to an end." 662 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,437 It was very fortunate that Jackie, Janey, and Joe were in Redwood City, 663 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,608 but there was no way my dad and I were gonna make it from San Diego. 664 00:36:33,691 --> 00:36:35,443 [suspenseful music playing] 665 00:36:36,736 --> 00:36:37,736 {\an8}[Janey] We were excited. 666 00:36:37,778 --> 00:36:40,656 {\an8}We thought Scott was coming home, and we thought this was it. 667 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:42,533 [indistinct chatter] 668 00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:44,619 [suspenseful music continues playing] 669 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:48,956 [Sharon Rocha] I didn't know enough about the legal system to... 670 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,418 One way or the other, I just couldn't help but have a little bit of a doubt. 671 00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:55,087 You don't know what these 12 people are thinking. 672 00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,006 [indistinct background conversation] 673 00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,843 [Sharon Rocha] I remember getting the call to say, 674 00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:03,596 "We have a verdict." 675 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:07,934 [Gloria Gomez] We were all rushing into the courtroom to get in there, 676 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:10,603 and they're filing in, they're filing in, they're filing in. 677 00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:11,896 They all take a seat, 678 00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:13,731 and the first thing I see 679 00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:17,360 was one of the jurors. 680 00:37:17,443 --> 00:37:21,155 She looks right at Laci's mom, and she gives her a wink. 681 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:24,283 And I'm like... [gasps] 682 00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:28,079 The gesture seemed to indicate, "We got him." 683 00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:30,581 And then the verdict was read. 684 00:37:30,665 --> 00:37:31,791 [indistinct chatter] 685 00:37:31,874 --> 00:37:34,627 [jury foreperson] State of California versus Scott Peterson. 686 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:38,839 We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause, find the defendant, Scott Lee Peterson, 687 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:42,051 guilty of the crime of murder of Laci Denise Peterson. 688 00:37:42,134 --> 00:37:44,387 [foreperson] We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause, 689 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,807 find the defendant, Scott Lee Peterson, guilty of the crime of... 690 00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:50,268 - [crowd cheering] - [soft music playing] 691 00:37:51,894 --> 00:37:54,522 I just remember the relief hearing the word "guilty." 692 00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:59,652 I mean, it was like, you know, being inflated all this time, 693 00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:02,780 and all of a sudden, all the air just comes out of your body. 694 00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:06,659 It's... It was just a relief. A huge relief. 695 00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:11,122 It wasn't... You know, I can't say we were all excited and happy about it. 696 00:38:11,205 --> 00:38:14,375 That's not the feeling that I had at all. 697 00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:17,378 Um, just a relief. 698 00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:21,966 Yeah, when they read the verdict, I just... I... I just... 699 00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:24,927 I thought my heart beat really loud, and I missed the word "not." 700 00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:26,929 I just was like, you know, I... 701 00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:29,849 And... and then they said it again with Conner, "guilty," 702 00:38:29,932 --> 00:38:32,727 and then it felt very quiet in the courtroom 703 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:37,398 and very surreal and kinda out of body, like... 704 00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:39,400 Um... 705 00:38:39,483 --> 00:38:42,320 - [distant cheering] - But you could hear the crowd outside. 706 00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:45,031 - [cheering] - [foreperson] ...Penal Code Section 187A... 707 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,950 We, the jury, further find the degree of the murder 708 00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:49,952 to be that of the first degree. 709 00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:51,370 [cheering continues] 710 00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,125 [cheering intensifies] 711 00:38:57,209 --> 00:38:59,086 [indistinct chatter, shouting] 712 00:39:00,504 --> 00:39:02,506 [woman] Hope you're proud of your son! 713 00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:04,508 [woman shouts] 714 00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:06,093 [indistinct chatter] 715 00:39:10,765 --> 00:39:13,351 [Janey] I remember being taken into a back hallway. 716 00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:17,313 They were gonna escort us outside because there was such a huge crowd. 717 00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:19,231 And we... we come out a door, 718 00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:24,153 and we're way at the other end of the courthouse from our car. 719 00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:29,241 And they walk us the whole way in front of the whole crowd. 720 00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:34,663 It felt like we were paraded in front of them to our car. 721 00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,415 [indistinct chatter] 722 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:40,211 [woman] No, right... 723 00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:41,587 [man] Burn in hell! 724 00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:43,381 [indistinct chatter continues] 725 00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:49,887 [Janey] With people hollering and screaming and jeering. 726 00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:55,393 I just remember looking out at the sea of people and thinking, 727 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:56,977 "They have no idea." 728 00:39:57,061 --> 00:39:59,397 "They have... they have no idea 729 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,693 what just happened the last four months in this courtroom. No idea." 730 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:05,861 [woman] Everybody in? 731 00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:08,614 [indistinct speech] 732 00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:10,281 [engine starts] 733 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:15,996 [indistinct shouting] 734 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080 [man] Wow. 735 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,707 {\an8}[reporter] Today, the judge ruled that the same jury 736 00:40:21,752 --> 00:40:24,713 {\an8}that convicted Scott Peterson of murdering his pregnant wife 737 00:40:24,797 --> 00:40:28,008 will also determine whether he lives or dies for his crimes, 738 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:30,553 and the case will stay in Redwood City. 739 00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:35,516 The biggest moment had to have been when Sharon took the stand. 740 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,645 If you did not cry during that 741 00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:42,940 or at least shed a tear during Sharon's... 742 00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:44,984 you just weren't there. 743 00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:48,112 It was really her only time to address Scott. 744 00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:50,823 Like, face to face. 745 00:40:50,906 --> 00:40:53,576 I remember her looking right at him. 746 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,539 [reporter 1] Many in the room began to cry as Laci's mother, Sharon Rocha, asked 747 00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:01,375 if Laci knew she was being murdered. 748 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:06,797 Then she imagined Laci's unborn baby begging for its life, saying... 749 00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:11,510 {\an8}"Daddy, please don't do this to me. Please. There's another way." 750 00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:15,973 [reporter 2] One other thing she said, "The fact that you no longer wanted Laci 751 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:18,017 did not give you the right to murder her." 752 00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:21,687 "She was my daughter. I trusted you, and you betrayed me." 753 00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:23,647 "You betrayed everybody." 754 00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:30,488 [sobbing] She may be physically gone, but she's not gone out of our hearts. 755 00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,451 She still lives with all of us. 756 00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:39,246 [exhales softly] 757 00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:46,337 [indistinct chatter] 758 00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,131 [reporter 1] The jury that convicted Scott Peterson 759 00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:51,300 of killing his wife and unborn son 760 00:41:51,383 --> 00:41:53,469 came in with its decision on a sentence. 761 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,223 [foreperson] We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause, 762 00:41:57,306 --> 00:41:58,724 fix the penalty at death, dated... 763 00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:01,310 - [woman 1 screams] - [woman 2] Death! Oh my God! 764 00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:04,438 [reporter 2] Some jumped in the air and clapped. 765 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,106 Christmas comes early. 766 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,570 [reporter 3] People around the world are applauding your decision. How do you feel? 767 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:14,281 They have to answer to themselves on that. 768 00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:18,410 {\an8}Tell somebody, "You did a good job. You just put somebody to death." 769 00:42:18,494 --> 00:42:19,495 {\an8}Yeah. 770 00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:22,873 {\an8}I don't see anything good about that. 771 00:42:22,957 --> 00:42:27,044 That would be like me telling you, "That person, you pull the trigger." 772 00:42:27,127 --> 00:42:28,754 It eats me up to hear that 773 00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,632 because I say, "You don't even know what death means, then." 774 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,927 It's so easy for you to say that? It's not... it's not that easy. 775 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,012 [shouting and cheering] 776 00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,432 [tense music playing] 777 00:42:58,158 --> 00:42:59,660 [indistinct chatter] 778 00:43:00,452 --> 00:43:01,662 Come on. Let's keep going. 779 00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:03,496 [applause] 780 00:43:04,206 --> 00:43:06,500 - [cheering] - [indistinct shouting] 781 00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:09,962 Our family's going to make it... make it. 782 00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,922 We're stronger because of this. 783 00:43:13,632 --> 00:43:16,927 - And Scott got what he deserved. - [distant siren wailing] 784 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:22,391 He not only took her away from us, 785 00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:24,810 but, you know, he's destroyed a lot of lives. 786 00:43:24,893 --> 00:43:26,312 His family's lives and... 787 00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:31,817 I'm not gonna say he destroyed our lives. He upset our lives. 788 00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,404 But I wouldn't give him the credit for destroying our lives. 789 00:43:35,487 --> 00:43:36,905 [indistinct chatter] 790 00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:42,369 [Al] I remember, later, I saw Sharon and Ron and the family and... 791 00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:44,872 and, uh, we... you know, I hugged them and... 792 00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:49,667 [sighs] 793 00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:53,172 Kind of apologized, you know, how it started, and that... 794 00:43:53,255 --> 00:43:54,882 But she said, "I never lost... 795 00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:58,802 you know, I never lost, uh, faith or anything in you or that," 796 00:43:58,886 --> 00:44:00,888 and so it was kinda hard. 797 00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:03,140 I kinda stayed close with them for a little while, 798 00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,726 and then I realized after a while that 799 00:44:06,727 --> 00:44:09,271 I'm, uh... I'm not a good memory. 800 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:11,148 I mean, you know, I'm kind of... 801 00:44:11,231 --> 00:44:16,945 When you see me, maybe you think of that incident all the time. 802 00:44:17,029 --> 00:44:20,491 And so I didn't... I kind of pulled away a little bit. 803 00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:30,167 [Ted] Scott's off to San Quentin, and the Petersons continued to fight. 804 00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:34,838 They immersed themselves in this fight for Scott, 805 00:44:34,922 --> 00:44:38,676 and he never admitted guilt on any level. 806 00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:40,803 [tense music playing] 807 00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:46,433 [Janey] We didn't have time to grieve Laci when we found out she was gone 808 00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:48,310 because Scott was arrested. 809 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,230 Laci was part of our family. 810 00:44:51,313 --> 00:44:53,816 Laci was my sister-in-law. 811 00:44:54,316 --> 00:44:56,610 Conner was my nephew. 812 00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:59,321 We went from looking for her... 813 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:02,616 And the moment we found out she was dead, 814 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,411 he was arrested, and we're fighting for his life. 815 00:45:05,494 --> 00:45:10,040 And here we are 20 years later, trying to right this injustice. 816 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:16,213 [Sharon Hagan] I really believe that it's very difficult 817 00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:20,134 for Scott's family to believe that he would ever do this. 818 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:24,847 {\an8}The severity of the crime is an important factor here. 819 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,724 {\an8}You know, is there anything worse 820 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:29,560 {\an8}than killing your wife and your unborn child? 821 00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:32,855 You know, what... what would be the consequences of... 822 00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:37,526 of acknowledging that he must have done this? 823 00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:39,194 I think, at the end of the day, 824 00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:43,282 they both... know what they know. 825 00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:45,826 And... and the Rochas know that he killed her, 826 00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,412 and they live with that pain every day, 827 00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:51,081 and the Petersons know that he didn't kill her, 828 00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:52,458 and they live with that pain. 829 00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:56,044 [melancholic music playing] 830 00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:03,844 [Sharon Rocha] There are times I look back, and I think, "Gosh." 831 00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:06,597 "It's hard to believe it was 20 years ago." 832 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,641 And on the other hand, it seems like it wasn't 20 years ago. 833 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:14,688 I've always said, "You don't get over it. You just get through it." 834 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:18,609 You just have to muddle through it because you're never going to get over it. 835 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,195 It's always gonna be there. 836 00:46:23,197 --> 00:46:24,865 Always. It'll always be there. 837 00:46:25,741 --> 00:46:27,618 [melancholic music continues playing] 838 00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:30,746 [Sharon] We have a whole different life than we did before. 839 00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:33,665 It's the before and the after, and that's the way I refer to it. 840 00:46:33,749 --> 00:46:37,628 When I talk about different things, it'll be before Laci and after Laci 841 00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:41,632 because it does, it changes your life. There's no doubt about that. 842 00:46:41,715 --> 00:46:44,593 Changes everybody's lives that are involved. 843 00:46:48,096 --> 00:46:49,807 [soft music playing] 844 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,268 [muted speech] 845 00:46:54,061 --> 00:46:56,396 [Lori] What the last 20 years has brought to me 846 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,108 is that, um, we check in with each other more... a lot more often. 847 00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:02,820 Good, the bad, the ugly. 848 00:47:02,903 --> 00:47:04,530 We have tougher conversations. 849 00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:09,868 We promised each other that it doesn't matter who knows. 850 00:47:09,952 --> 00:47:11,328 - One of us knows... - Yeah. 851 00:47:11,411 --> 00:47:13,705 ...what's happening in each other's lives. 852 00:47:14,957 --> 00:47:18,252 You just realize when you're questioned about your best friend, 853 00:47:18,335 --> 00:47:20,838 like, how little you knew. [sniffs] 854 00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:22,297 And yet we... And then... 855 00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:24,382 So... 856 00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:26,844 That's, I think, why we just... 857 00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:30,681 make sure that we're all... 858 00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:33,642 in the know. 859 00:47:33,725 --> 00:47:35,352 [soft music playing] 860 00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:39,314 She was in love. There's no doubt about that. 861 00:47:39,398 --> 00:47:42,317 She was just really excited. She was in love with him. 862 00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:45,612 And we always liked him. He always treated her well. 863 00:47:46,655 --> 00:47:47,781 Until he didn't. 864 00:47:50,325 --> 00:47:54,997 With a low-risk victim such as Laci, who was very much a homebody, 865 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,209 um, whose world was very small and... and condensed... 866 00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:04,548 [inhales deeply]...the most likely person who will harm someone like her 867 00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:07,009 is her intimate partner. 868 00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:14,016 And the statistics that we keep on homicide bear this out. 869 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:19,313 In fact, not only does pregnancy increase the risk 870 00:48:20,105 --> 00:48:21,773 of victimization for women, 871 00:48:21,857 --> 00:48:26,862 but it is the number one cause of death for pregnant women. 872 00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:28,572 [soft music continues playing] 873 00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:33,242 Hmm. 874 00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:36,663 This was from her actual memorial. 875 00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:40,034 And this is her. This just... 876 00:48:40,083 --> 00:48:43,879 {\an8}I love this picture 'cause this just captures her spirit so perfectly. 877 00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:47,007 {\an8}Her laugh was just so infectious. 878 00:48:49,468 --> 00:48:51,470 [melancholic music playing] 879 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:53,847 [muted conversation] 880 00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:32,928 [Sharon Rocha] She would've loved to have had her child 881 00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:37,683 and raised him, and... she would've been a good mother. 882 00:49:39,226 --> 00:49:42,354 We would've had something else to tease her about. [chuckles] 883 00:49:45,649 --> 00:49:48,235 Wow, she's been gone almost as long as she was here. 884 00:49:49,903 --> 00:49:51,989 I just want her to be remembered as a person 885 00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:55,200 and not as a victim of murder. 886 00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,912 Um, she was alive. She's still alive to all of us. 887 00:50:02,624 --> 00:50:05,377 I see dragonflies, and I think of her. 888 00:50:06,962 --> 00:50:09,089 This time of the year, as a matter of fact. 889 00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:16,263 Her legacy is just that she was a loving person. 890 00:50:16,346 --> 00:50:20,142 She loved her husband. She trusted her husband, and he betrayed her. 891 00:50:20,225 --> 00:50:23,270 He betrayed her, and he betrayed everybody else. 892 00:50:24,187 --> 00:50:26,231 His family, our family, everybody. 893 00:50:33,905 --> 00:50:38,326 Over the years, I've received many, many, many letters from people, 894 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:41,621 from women who are in a similar situation with... 895 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,374 They didn't know their husband. They thought they did. 896 00:50:44,458 --> 00:50:51,006 And how many I can't tell you that, because of Laci, they left in time, 897 00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:53,216 that they were still alive because of Laci. 898 00:50:55,594 --> 00:50:58,221 - [girl 1] Hi, Laci! - [girl 2] Let's dance, baby! 899 00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:00,307 [melancholic music playing] 900 00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:04,144 [muted singing] 901 00:51:52,567 --> 00:51:54,569 [soft piano music playing] 77871

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