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The new docuseries reveals
explosive allegations

behind the scenes at Nickelodeon.

Some really disturbing allegations.

Now in this new documentary...

It hits you immediately

how inappropriate
some of this content was.

Quiet on Set
The Dark Side of Kids TV shined a spotlight

on the toxic and dangerous culture

behind some of the most
iconic children's shows

of the late 90s and early 2000s.

My lawyer filed complaints.

Gender discrimination,
hostile work environment.

Actual pedophiles on set.

There are all these setups
that reference porn.

Once I saw it again as an adult,

it was like, oh, oh. Oh.

I was just trapped.

I had no way out.

And the series brought to light

Hollywood's own shocking involvement.

These letters show
how strong the support was

for a convicted sexual predator,

with people with industry connections.

It gets me so mad
I get so emotional about it.

Protect your kids.

The series has gone viral,

launching a thousand conversations,

provoking shock, outrage...

This creep was behind that

...and heartbreak.

So much of this country's entertainment
industry is built on harming children.

As long as those checks come in,
that's what mattered to y'all.

What I do want to talk about is never
letting this stuff happen again.

In this episode, we'll talk to Drake Bell

for the first time
since the series premiered,

I'm curious why you decided to participate

after all these years
of not talking about it.

We'll air never-before-seen
footage from the series,

as well as new insights from
those closest to the story.

So what brought you back together?

The documentary.

It was a light bulb moment.

And hear from a cast member of All That

who will speak out for the first time.

Join us as we dig deeper
and break the silence

on the disturbing world
of kids entertainment.

Thank you so much for joining us.

I'm Soledad O'Brien.

In this special episode of Quiet On Set,

we'll bring you new insights

from those closest to the story

starting with
Drake Bell himself.

In the days since Drake came forward

as the John Doe victim in the
2003 child sex abuse case

against his dialogue coach
Brian Peck,

the reaction has been swift.

Both an outpouring of support and horror
that this could have happened

under the watchful eye of so many adults.

I didn't feel like anyone knew anything.

I was under the impression that this
was just a big, giant secret.

I just hoped and prayed

that one day it would just stop.

I often look back at that time and wonder

how in the world I survived.

- Drake, welcome.
- Thank you.

So I'm curious why you decided
to participate after...

After all these years
of not talking about it.

The-- The choice to participate
was a tough one.

It was a really hard decision to make

because I'd been approached before

and wasn't ready and said no, and...

But when I-- When the people from
the doc reached out to me,

and I was speaking with-- With Emma,

she just made me feel really comfortable

and she took her time
and was really sensitive.

I was able to feel like
I could open up to her

and... I don't know.

I just felt maybe this is the time--

This is the time to tell my story.

In the child sex abuse case
against Brian Peck,

you described the moment
you walk into the courtroom

and you see it packed
with many well-known faces.

But they're not there for you.

On the day of sentencing for Brian,

I get to the courthouse.

It was the most unbelievable
thing I'd ever seen.

His entire side
of the courtroom... was full.

There were definitely some recognizable
faces on that side of the room.

And my side was...

Me, my mom and my brother.

Brian had been convicted.

But getting all of this support

from a lot of people in the industry and...

Yeah, I was pretty shocked.

We wanted to understand

who in Hollywood was supporting
Brian through this.

So we petitioned the court to unseal
the letters of support in this case.

Will Friedle and Rider Strong
from Boy Meets World

wrote letters in support of Brian Peck.

Then they recently spoke
about it on their podcast.

Hearing from Will and hearing
from Ryder, does it...

Does it change at all how you
think about that day now?

I mean...

No.

I worked-- I worked with Will
on Spider-Man

and there was a lot of opportunity to...

Apologize or talk about it and never did.

But also, I mean, it's a very
difficult subject to bring up,

I mean, especially in a work environment.

So... And that's the thing
that's hard about this

is because everybody deals with
their trauma in different ways.

Everybody comes to different conclusions

at different times in their
lives and realizations,

and I mean,
I really appreciate

that they've... You know,
their perspective now.

But I mean, that day
is so ingrained in my mind,

and there's so many people
who I mean, I haven't...

Nobody's reached out to me.

- Nobody's...
- No one else?

- I mean--
- No one at all?

Personally? Personally, no,
not one person who's written

one of those letters
has reached out to me.

The thing I have found,
really shocking, I guess,

is the idea that this wasn't
a bigger scandal 21 years ago.

That... boggles my mind.

I mean, three or four months
prior to his arrest,

was the Jason Handy case.

And then Brian gets arrested and...

- Nothing.
- No articles.

I mean, there's nothing about it.

I mean, I think there was something

on the nightly news about the arrest.

But for those two cases
to happen so closely together

and at the same network on the same show?

It allowed him to go
to work on other shows,

go work on other kid's shows
on other kids networks.

As a registered sex offender.

Exactly! Exactly! As a registered sex
offender, going and working on--

And it was just unbelievable, and it just...

I think that there being no media coverage
played a huge part in that.

I was surprised in the documentary

about Dan Schneider's support of you.

How does that square with what
basically everybody else said

about their treatment by Dan?

I mean, it was very hard to watch.

It was really hard to watch because
I can only speak from my experience

and I can't take away
from anyone else's experience.

You know, I can just say that
during this time with Brian,

Dan was really
the only one from the network

that even made an effort

to... help me and make sure I was okay.

Let's pause there.

But we have so much more to talk about.

We'll be right back.

He was so good at what he was doing.

Brian, he was so calculated.

He knew exactly what to say,
how to say it, what to do.

Why did you want to come forward?

I think the only way we can change

is to really evaluate the past,

and I have some perspective
to share on that.

We're back with Drake Bell
continuing to share his story.

So, Drake, you mentioned that you've been
processing and dealing with your trauma.

Can you talk about how your...

How you're dealing with it?

And when you look at other actors--

I mean Amanda Bynes,
who's in the doc as well.

I mean, when you see her story
and her struggle...

Is that-- Do you look and think, you know,

this is also part of what happens
when you're a child actor?

Well, I mean, with Amanda
and so many others,

I mean, we've lost so many
that aren't here anymore.

And it's just--
I've watched tragedy over--

After tragedy after tragedy
in this business and...

And it's just heartbreaking.

I went many years not wanting
to even talk about it at all.

Not in therapy, not with my friends,
not with my family.

I-- I kind of started--

There was a lot of things
happening in my personal life

that were really difficult,

and I started to just kind of...

You know...

I guess spiral is the best way to put it.

And so when I went to rehab,
I... It was--

It wasn't just 45 min
with your doctor twice a week.

It was from 8:00 o'clock in the morning

until 8:00 o'clock at night.

Uh, 10:00 o'clock at night.

Therapy all day.

Trauma therapy, group therapy,
one on one, all of this stuff.

And I mean-- And I think a lot
of the help was being in groups

where you're hearing other
people's stories and going,

"Oh my gosh, I'm not alone."

And it was really helpful to...

Start facing this stuff head on.

Obviously, things like DUIs and choices
that I've made in my life,

they are decisions
I made on my own.

So I do have to take accountability

and responsibility for those things.

But It's really eye opening to...

Get down to maybe what's the root cause,

you know, where is this coming from.

You talk a lot in the doc about
your mom and your dad as well.

How is your relationship with them now

and have things changed
since the doc came out?

No, my dad's very emotional.

But I mean, we have a...
A fantastic relationship,

and it's so--
I'm so grateful for that

because like--
Like it shows in the doc,

we went through many years of separation,

and it was really hard on both of us,

and right now we have an amazing,
amazing relationship,

and my mom and I have
an incredible relationship.

I do feel there's a lot of people
kind of after the doc...

Going after my mom a bit.

But if you were in
that situation at that time,

he was so good at what he was doing.

Brian, he was so calculated.

He knew exactly what to say,
how to say it, what to do,

the image to portray, everything.

I mean,
I completely understand

how he just... pulled the wool
over everyone's eyes.

It's... It's tragic.

I want to ask you a little bit
about your former co-star Josh

because people were...
Were very hard on him

for what they perceived to be
his reaction to your story.

Yeah, I just...
I know what it's like to have,

you know, the internet attack you for...

I mean, really nothing.

He had reached out to me,
and we-- We've been talking.

This is a really difficult
thing to process.

But at the end of the day, you know,

we have such a close connection

and this unique bond, that's so
rare in this industry that...

I don't know.
It's really special,

and he's a really great person.

You have obviously
been dealing with this trauma

for-- For more than two decades,

and I thought maybe we would show

a never-before-seen clip
from your interview

about one of the ways that
you've been dealing with this.

Can we play that?

A lot of times my emotions
and my inner thoughts and...

What I--
What I'd been through would...

Would creep up and get in the way.

But luckily,
I was writing songs

and expressed what I was
feeling through music.

I think that was my therapy,
really, at that time.

I see your guitar right behind you.

So... Clearly.

Tell me a little bit about how
music has been helping you

and has always, you know,
been a platform for you.

Music's like my diary or my journal.

I... I've always written about my life

and after I did this doc, I started just
writing even more and more and more

and stuff started pouring out.

And that's actually when I started--

When I wrote the new song
I just put out

and the video that addresses the abuse

and other things that I've gone through
in my life and the rehab,

and it's kind of the most vulnerable,

honest, self-reflective stuff
that I've written ever.

♪ I kind of relate ♪

♪ I found beauty in pain ♪

♪ I'm running away ♪

♪ From the abuse
And all the shame ♪

♪ Cause no one comes
To my house anymore ♪

♪ No one knocks on my door ♪

Well, Drake, thanks for talking with us.

I really appreciate it.

I know...
Maybe you don't know,

but so many people really need
to hear what you had to say.

You talk a lot about being
alone, being isolated,

and so I think what you're
doing is really important.

Thank you.
Thank you for having me.

Coming up next, we're joined in the studio

by two contributors from Quiet On Set

reunited to talk about their experience
since the premiere.

Have you guys spoken to Dan since?

You know, recently in the last weeks?

Yeah,
I got a phone call.

Here with me now are a couple of faces

you'll recognize from the series.

Giovonnie Samuels and Bryan Hearne,

two cast members
who spent multiple seasons

on All That in the early 2000s.

Welcome to you both.

So how has it been?

I mean, have you been surprised by
the fallout from the documentary?

- Yeah.
- Absolutely.

Both of us had to kind of take a step back

from social media and whatnot
because it's been...

The only way we can
describe it is overwhelming.

In a good way? I mean support?

- Absolutely.
- Yeah.

There's been a lot--
And on the flip side is...

People were like, "Yo, my childhood
is now traumatized by this."

- Yeah.
- "And I feel grieved that

- that you guys went through this...
- Yeah.

...But I also feel trauma too."

And I'm like, I don't want
you guys to feel that way.

Not all of it was terrible.

There are still some
beautiful pieces left in it.

You know, we're okay.

Yeah, I think the--
The main... point

of us participating in this documentary

was to make sure that
this doesn't continue.

Your former boss, Dan Schneider,
posted a video defending himself.

He also apologized for his actions.

I am so sorry to any kid who ever
had to do a dare or anything

that they didn't want to do
or weren't comfortable doing.

We went out of our way
to make sure they were safe

and that everything was done properly.

But if a kid was scared
and didn't want to do it,

- kids shouldn't have to do it.
- Yeah.

- Period. The end.
- Right.

And if I had known at the time...

I would-- I would have
changed it on the spot.

"If he had known at the time,

he would have changed it on the spot."

Why are you both laughing?

The thing about his interview
as a whole is, um,

I just thought--
I thought it was funny.

- What'd you think was funny about it?
- If I'm--

If I could be candid, Dan was
an actor before all of this.

And so I think
that he brushed off some chops

and gave us a nice performance.

Where was all of this apologizing

when Jeanette McCurdy's book came out?

Or when Angelique Bates
had said something?

- Yeah, very publicly.
- Very publicly.

And I just feel that...

What's an apology without accountability?

Realistically, if you take the--

The inappropriate jokes away,

do you have a show... anymore?

Take all the foot jokes.

Take all the face shots,

all the--
All of that inappropriateness.

Is it just commercials then?

In this interview,
Dan also said this.

All these jokes that you are speaking of...

That the show covered
over the past two nights...

Every one of those jokes was
written for a kid audience

because kids thought they
were funny and only funny.

Okay?

Now we have some adults

looking back at them 20 years
later through their lens,

and they're looking at them
and they're saying,

"I don't think that's appropriate
for a kid's show."

So back then,

did you think those jokes
were funny to hear?

Did you think those jokes
were funny to do?

No.

Only because one, we're kids.

We don't know.
We're a bit naive.

And when you have a writer
or a showrunner,

and he's laughing the hardest,
you go along with it.

- Mmm.
- Because one, you don't know any better,

and two... This is your job.
This is your boss.

So when you were performing those jokes,

or even hearing your colleagues
sort of saying those jokes,

did it just feel like
this is not really for kids?

I mean, did you feel that
when you were doing the show?

- There were jokes
that was going over our heads.
- Completely over our heads.

I'm 13 years old.
I'm very new to like...

- Comedy, everything.
- I'm not allowed to watch--

- Yeah.
- I'm not allowed to watch South Park and Family Guy

and, you know, things of that nature.

I'm-- I'm sitting here just
trying-- Trying to be funny.

I'm just trying to be funny.

And with us coming in in the
second round of All That,

we're looking to him because
he's the creator of this.

He is the guy
that made so many people big.

So you're trusting his judgment.

He seems to say,
with the lens of now adults

all these years later look back and say,

"Oh, that looks like it's sexual,

that looks inappropriate."

Is he just utterly wrong?

It's one of those things.

The foot stuff was crazy.

I never liked the foot stuff.

Never liked the foot stuff.

He thought the foot stuff was funny.

- You're like, "I'm a paid actor."
- I don't get it.

- I'm going to execute on the foot stuff.
- Yeah.

And then you kind of look to your left...

And everybody in the room,

or at least the adults are laughing,

you go along with it.

Dan had this to say about diversity.

Diversity has always been very important

to me in my shows.

If you go back to the very first

Nickelodeon show I ever made,
that's very evident,

as it is in the second one,

and then the first movie
I ever made for Nickelodeon,

which starred Kenan and Kel,

and every show
I did after that

had a lead Black actor in it.

So you were the only two Black
actors on all that, right?

- Yes.
- Yeah.

What do you think when he says that?

Oh, that's the sign here that's happening.

I don't know if you guys
can hear this, the deep sign.

Uh...

It was very evident from the first day.

It was just the two of us.

I've said this before
on social media, you know,

that's usually the first thing
you do in a Black space,

or as a Black person,
or a person of color.

- Count the Black people.
- Yeah,

You count who's in the room,

in front and behind the camera.

- And... there were two.
- Two people.

- Four if you include our moms.
- Yeah.

My gripe with the way
that question was answered

is that the question itself
was posed to him about us.

- Right.
- It was about us.

He said, "Oh, I jump-started
the careers of Kenan and Kel."

So they talked about us being overlooked,

and then he overlooked us in his answer.

What do you do with that?

Did you feel like you were
stereotypes, tokenized roles?

Mmm-hmm.

Did you feel like that consistently

- while you were on the show?
- Yes.

I was told, "You're so talented,

we don't know what to do with you.

Let's just kinda stick you anywhere, or..."

- Which was why I came up with
sketches and ideas to help.
- Yeah.

Have you guys spoken to Dan since?

Recently, in the last weeks?

Yeah, I got a phone call.

Oh.

He reached out a week before
the documentary aired.

Mmm.

He asked if I could give
a quote of support.

He didn't know that you were in the--

- He knew I was in the
documentary for a year.
- He knew.

And he was like, "Oh, I love Gio.

She's great, she's nice, great.

She could tell my side,"

and I don't know what you want.

I don't know what possessed him.

So he asked you if you would
give a quote of support.

And what did you say?

- He asked because I did come
back to do Henry Danger,
- Mmm-hmm.

Which was sometime later.

He was like, "You had
a good time on set, right?

Right?"

And you said?

I told him
I was terrified of him.

Was he surprised by that?

I don't know.

I said, "You had the power
to make people stars."

And I was intimidated by you.

I wanted to do a good job.

Hmm.

The children of the next generation,

if our children should so
decide one day to say,

"Put me in front of the camera."

Would you say yes?

As dad, today?

With my four-year-old and my ten-year-old?

- No.
- Yeah.

- Absolutely not.
- Hmm.

We have a lot more to talk about.

Coming up, Bryan's mom,
Tracey Brown, will join us

to talk about how Bryan's experience

on Dan's sets impacted
her relationship with her son.

In that moment,
I said I've lost him.

You do right there.

I lost him.

So Bryan, in the series, we hear

a really heartbreaking story
of when you're told

- you're not gonna be asked back.
- Yeah.

And that day clearly had
an impact on the relationship

you had with your mom.

Yeah.

The day that we were told

In that moment, he grew up and
his body language showed it,

just showed this man protruding out.

And that's a man that
didn't trust his mom anymore.

It ruined us.

And you can't get that...

Like the moment you can't get back.

Oh, this was one of the most
heartbreaking things to watch.

Joining us now is Bryan's mom, Tracey.

- It's nice to talk to you, Tracey.
- Thank you.

In so many ways,
it feels like Bryan's exit

was really pivotal, clearly,
in your relationship. Um...

It sounds like
you were trying to protect him

and do the right thing

and it came at a tremendous cost.

Can you explain that?

Yeah, I wasn't looking for
my son to be this great star

and that's my dependency.

My dependency is raising a healthy child.

I'm a Leo, I don't know
if that makes a difference

to any of you guys,
I'm a lion, right?

I don't mind being in my cave
and licking my nails,

but I have nails.

When you think when Bryan lost his job

that maybe it was you
that you had brought this

- on him in some way?
- I knew it.

You knew you did?

I absolutely knew it.

When he got the news,
he went to his agents

and they said, "Bring your mom up here."

And that's when we got
the news and the funny part is

he was just 13, but he slunched over

and I saw a different soul come through.

And I said, in that moment
I said, "I've lost him."

You do right there.

I lost him.

Did you think your mom was responsible?

I think that, um,
I'm trying not to cry.

- I've got a whole box of
tissues here for both of you.
- Oh, please, please.

So say the word.

It was like, well, whose fault is it?

Is it my fault?

Is it... You know, she's the outspoken one.

You know?

And there were times where I was like,

"Oh,
I'm not gonna say anything

because I don't want her
to burn the place down,

and so I'm not gonna say anything here,

I'm not gonna say anything here."

And I would have.

Yeah.

How bad was your relationship?
I mean, obviously at 13--

With my son?

Yeah, how bad did it get?

It was ruined.

It wasn't, "And for six months
I was really mad at my mom."

- No, it was all of his life.
- All of it.

- Yeah.
- All of... from 13 on.

Yeah.

You had a rift between you.

Yeah, he didn't trust me anymore,
he was resentful.

He ran away from home.

Yeah.

So what brought you back together?

- Can I answer that?
- Yeah.

The documentary.

- Hmm.
- How?

It was a light bulb moment

to go back in time

and discover, as a mom,
that moment ruined us.

Hmm.

- I still did not hope
that you and I would talk.
- Hmm.

And then I didn't know he had
already seen the documentary

and Valentine's Day rolled around

and I sent...

"Happy Valentine's Day."

And he responded,
"Happy Valentine's Day, mom."

So let me push it back a little bit.

So to be perfectly honest,
watching that scene,

um, brought me to tears.

And first of all, I called
my therapist immediately.

This was not on a therapy day.

Not on a therapy day.

My day is Tuesday.

I think I watched on a Monday
and was like, "Oh, my God."

This was the spawn.

And we had that conversation,
therapist to patient, client.

And it just, it changed everything

because I was able
to pinpoint, "Oh, my gosh,

this is where my resentment started."

Oh, my gosh.

- I can talk to 13, 14 year old
Bryan now and say,
- Right.

"This wasn't your fault.

It wasn't her fault.

These people had it out for y'all."

Hmm.

So there's a clip,
it's never been seen before

of another Black actor who was
featured in the series.

And I want to play that now.

There was a scene we were doing,

it was called, "The Literals."

And every time
I said, "Spit it out,"

she would spit what was in her mouth,

whether it was the water or whatever,

like directly in my face.

Everybody thought it was so funny.

Ha-ha-ha.
Everybody's laughing.

Me, I did not find it funny.

The third time
I was like infuriated.

Like I was so mad that the director

hurried and put me on the side of the set

and was like, "Listen, Raquel,

breathe in, breathe out.

She's the star of the show."

He said, "Don't make
too much of a problem.

I'm gonna ask her
not to spit in your face,

but you have to keep your cool."

That's racist.

Period.

Wow.

Why is that so disturbing to you, Bryan?

I obviously did not know that story.

I've only had one solid
conversation with Raquel,

but oh, my God, that hit me really hard.

She's...

To just be told you don't matter,

in that moment, you're being spit on.

And they say, this person
matters more than you.

- 'Cause she's a star.
- Take it.

Yeah.

And there's a cultural
difference too, right?

- We are culturally trained to take it.
- Hmm.

- They are not.
- Hmm.

And imagine... so imagine
that little girl saying,

"I don't wanna do that," right?

"I don't wanna do this."

What would happen?

So then what's your advice

for young Black actors now?

You know, it's hard because the one thing

I would say is that I was disappointed

there wasn't another Black boy on set.

That's important.

- The camaraderie is important,
let alone the likeness.
- Yeah.

And it's not even just Black,
it's indigenous.

It's Hispanic.

You can't just have the one
representing the whole world.

It doesn't make sense to me.

That was pressure.

- It's pressure.
- For Gio and I.

Even having the privilege--

I mean to have one Black girl
and one Black boy.

That was good.

For them to think that that was okay too.

- It's not.
- Yeah.

- The pressure for each of us...
- Yes.

...To represent was very hard.

So then what would you tell
a young Black actor,

"Don't do it?"

- What would you say?
- Today?

What advice would you give them today?

- Today?
- Mmm-hmm.

- Do it, but if you have
to walk away, do that.
- Hmm.

- And I would say that
to the moms and the dads.
- Yeah, yeah.

- Pull your kid out.
- Yeah.

Tracey, thank you for talking with me.

- I appreciate it, Bryan, you as well.
- Thank you.

- Oh, no problem at all.
- Absolutely.

So in our final segment, we meet a fellow,

All That cast member
who's coming forward publicly

for the first time.

There were certainly
some passes, you know.

- That he made on you.
- Yeah.

Joining us now for an exclusive interview

is an actor from All That
who's coming forward

for the first time.

Shane Lyons, thank you
for being here today.

- Thanks for having me.
- You bet.

So what was it like for you on the set?

It was pretty dynamic.

And for someone who always wanted to be

a funny guy on television, you know,

I wouldn't say it was a dream come true,

but it seemed like
a really great stepping stone.

I always wanted to be like Chris Farley

and be on Saturday Night Live.

So this felt like, "Okay,
I'm gonna be doing that

in my future, and this is
a great place to start."

And then was there a point
where that shifted?

Yeah, they just fired me.

And I never learned why.

I was 16 and my contract wasn't picked up.

I think I'm sort of a unique
case and really lucky,

in that my parents were chefs.

I knew that no matter what,

I can kind of follow
in my mom's footsteps--

A lot of young actors don't have that.

Their dream is to do this show
and then this show

and then bigger and bigger.

Right, and we're setting them
up for failure.

We acknowledge that, "Oh, it's really hard

to go from a child actor
into an adult actor."

Yes, okay, but what are
we doing in the process

of a young actor who's on set?

What sort of continuing education
are we providing them?

Why did you wanna come forward?

I think the only way we can change

is to really evaluate the past.

And I have some perspective
to share on that

and I felt like it was important.

You were on the set with Brian Peck.

I was on the set with Brian Peck, yeah.

Was he as charming
as people would describe him?

- I mean--
- 100%, 100%.

And we were enamored with,
at least me personally,

that there is an adult
who's also a cast member

who is someone that we knew

we could kind of run things by,

work with, improvise with.

It was very helpful in that context.

Since you knew Brian Peck,

- when you heard Drake's story,
- Hmm.

What did you think?

I think it was very brave of him

to go on national television and say it.

And the specificity of what Brian did

was something nobody knew.

Uh, and it's absolutely gut-wrenching.

That poor kid, now man,
it's gut-wrenching.

And I feel very blessed and lucky

that nothing like that happened to me.

There were certainly
some passes, you know?

- That he made on you.
- Yeah.

Did you realize at the time
that they were passes?

No, when he asked me if I knew
what blue balls was,

I thought they were racquetballs.

What did he say?

Some conversation was
happening in the green room

and we get called to set
and Brian follows behind me

and I'm kind of alone
in the green room set

and he sits next to me and goes,

because previously in the conversation

they were talking about blue balls.

And I just didn't know what they were.

And he goes, "Well, we know what
blue balls are, right, Shane?"

And I said, "Yeah, like racquetballs."

Right, I'm a kid, 13, 14.

You know, and as I think back now,

as an adult, as a 36 year old,

and I go, would I ever have a conversation

with a 13 year old boy
like he had with me?

No, it makes absolutely zero sense

for a 13 year old girl
or 13 year old anybody.

They're kids,
why are you talking like that?

What would a protection
for kids on the set,

since you were on the set,
that makes sense,

that's doable, that's enforceable,

that could work, what does it look like?

So, updating the law first and foremost,

so that no individual who is
a convicted child molester

can ever get on a Hollywood set again.

And currently there's
a loophole in the law

that as long as there's
a guardian or a parent

omnipresent on the set,
they don't have to hire people

who go through a background check.

And I think more broadly,

when you have a cult of personality

in any work environment,

inevitably it's ripe for toxicity.

We get into their sphere and their orbit,

and no one wants to disrupt
what's happening,

above or below.

Dan said he had many,
many layers above him.

He had a boss and his boss had a boss

and his boss had a boss.

Well, it sounds like the
farmer that blames the tractor

for the poor harvest,
it's like, "Not me, man."

You shirk responsibility,
it's pretty simple.

When you're not at a point in your life

to take ownership
of the mistakes you made,

um, the first thing to do

is to shift the blame to someone else.

I think the lessons that
hopefully the perpetrators

highlighted in this film can learn,

because that's ultimately
what needs to happen

is them learning and
everyone else learning too.

If they can't do that,
then there's no chance

of them actually growing
or changing or evolving.

It must feel good to have
all your voices elevated

in this particular project,

and I would love
to bring out your co-stars.

Giovonnie, why don't I put you
here in the middle?

And Bryan, welcome back here.

Hi.

It's nice to have you guys together.

- I go for the fist and he gives the hand.
- Knuckle sandwich.

Knuckle sandwich, all right.

You did your interviews individually.

- You weren't in a big group together.
- No.

So this has been a time
for you guys to kind of like,

- do a little reunion.
- Yeah.

These are the people
I grew up with.

These are my brothers.

We have this special
connection with each other,

and even if we don't see
each other every day,

it's like we pick up where we left off.

You know, as soon as I saw
Shane, I was like,

- my Papa Bear's back.
- I'm Papa Bear.

Yes, like as soon as
I saw Bryan,

- I was like my little bro,
like no time has passed.
- Yeah.

And it's just disheartening

- that it had to be this
- Hmm.

That brought us back together again.

Have you all been just surprised

at the impact of this documentary?

Yes, I didn't know what to expect.

I had high hopes, but I wanna say that

I appreciate Emma and Mary
so much for being real people.

Hmm.

I've said before,
these people approached us,

we didn't know who they were,
so we were apprehensive.

And we definitely had
our guard up, for sure.

But once we realized, yo, these people

care about the people,
they care about the story,

- and they wanna get the truth out,
- The truth out.

Or you can visit online.rainn,
R-A-I-N-N.org.

How about for you, Shane?
Have you been surprised?

I think when something
that's potentially explosive

always comes out,
you sort of have this like...

...moment of hold your breath,

is it what's gonna really happen?

And I am hoping that the impact sustains,

and it's not just a flash
in the pan of the interest,

but there's real change
that needs to occur.

And I'm hoping this is a first
stepping stone for that.

I really want to thank you guys

for being part of this conversation,

really all the guests for being
part of this conversation.

You are truly the heroes of this story,

and it requires a lot of bravery

to come forward and tell your story.

And when you don't know, you know,

what the impact is gonna be,
what the fallout's gonna be,

so you should know you're really having

a hugely positive impact

on people who've been watching.

It's a big deal, and we appreciate it.

And in case you haven't had
a chance to watch,

all four episodes are
currently streaming on Max.

Thank you for joining us.

If you or someone you know
has been affected

by sexual abuse, help is available 24-7

through the National
Sexual Assault Hotline.

You can call 800-656-HOPE,

or you can visit online.rainn,
R-A-I-N-N.org.