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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,048 --> 00:00:09,009 ♪ MTV 2 00:00:37,211 --> 00:00:39,996 We shouldn't concentrate too much on superstar, you know? 3 00:00:42,390 --> 00:00:44,348 It's a very dangerous thing to talk about. 4 00:00:46,611 --> 00:00:48,787 I know--I know a lot of superstars... 5 00:00:48,918 --> 00:00:50,963 - Yeah. - And I look back 6 00:00:51,094 --> 00:00:52,965 and I see--I don't see them now, you know? 7 00:00:53,096 --> 00:00:54,706 So the same could happen with us. 8 00:00:57,579 --> 00:00:59,885 ♪ Girl, you know it, girl, you know it ♪ 9 00:01:00,016 --> 00:01:01,844 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 10 00:01:09,808 --> 00:01:12,028 Milli Vanilli, the striking European duo, 11 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,552 has made it big in America. 12 00:01:14,683 --> 00:01:17,729 First album went six times platinum in 1989. 13 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:19,775 It's quite a weird story. 14 00:01:19,905 --> 00:01:21,081 One minute, Milli Vanilli were there... 15 00:01:21,211 --> 00:01:22,517 - Milli Vanilli. - Milli Vanilli. 16 00:01:22,647 --> 00:01:23,561 - Milli-- - Milli-- 17 00:01:23,692 --> 00:01:25,650 - Milli-- - Vanilli! 18 00:01:25,781 --> 00:01:26,956 And the next minute, they weren't. 19 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:35,182 New weasel boys of the record world. 20 00:01:35,312 --> 00:01:38,924 Everybody participated, but they were the scapegoats. 21 00:01:39,055 --> 00:01:42,363 Record companies are oddly silent on the whole issue. 22 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:44,843 People don't understand 23 00:01:44,974 --> 00:01:47,890 the machine that is underneath a pop act. 24 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:51,023 We want to say thank you to our producer. 25 00:01:51,154 --> 00:01:52,895 The evil genius, I guess we could call him. 26 00:01:53,025 --> 00:01:55,245 If it wasn't for him, this would not even take place. 27 00:01:55,376 --> 00:01:56,768 You get something, 28 00:01:56,899 --> 00:01:58,509 but for that, you make a pact with the devil. 29 00:02:03,253 --> 00:02:04,167 Imagine you have everything... 30 00:02:06,430 --> 00:02:08,867 The fame, the fortune. 31 00:02:08,998 --> 00:02:10,869 They were in a dream. 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,828 And suddenly, everybody turns against you 33 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:14,656 and you have nothing. Overnight. 34 00:02:16,092 --> 00:02:18,181 How do you handle that? 35 00:02:18,312 --> 00:02:20,575 It cost them everything. 36 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:22,968 There is not another story like this 37 00:02:23,099 --> 00:02:24,535 in pop music history. 38 00:03:26,771 --> 00:03:28,425 It's been a while. 39 00:03:28,556 --> 00:03:30,558 Oh! 40 00:03:31,689 --> 00:03:34,910 Yeah, man, we were young and fresh, man. 41 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,567 That's a normal tank top but I think he just pulled on it. 42 00:03:39,697 --> 00:03:42,483 You know, I mean, we were fashion forward. 43 00:03:48,010 --> 00:03:50,534 That was a big show in Germany. 44 00:03:50,665 --> 00:03:52,623 Yeah, that was a cool vibe. 45 00:03:56,279 --> 00:03:57,585 Hmm. 46 00:03:59,326 --> 00:04:02,198 You know, Rob Pilatus doesn't look right in this photo. 47 00:04:02,329 --> 00:04:05,419 I can see the decline. 48 00:04:05,549 --> 00:04:09,031 'Cause that's not what Rob looked like 49 00:04:09,161 --> 00:04:11,686 or was supposed to look like. 50 00:04:11,816 --> 00:04:14,602 He was extremely strong, 51 00:04:14,732 --> 00:04:20,303 but you can tell that life took a toll on him. 52 00:04:29,181 --> 00:04:32,924 Becoming friends was inevitable. 53 00:04:36,014 --> 00:04:37,581 I grew up in Paris. 54 00:04:39,801 --> 00:04:46,416 When I turned 18, I went to Munich, Germany, 55 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:48,505 ran out of money, 56 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:53,945 ended up being homeless for a couple weeks. 57 00:04:54,076 --> 00:04:57,819 It was cold so I had to sleep in the train station, 58 00:04:57,949 --> 00:05:00,343 but I was able to get some jobs 59 00:05:00,474 --> 00:05:03,477 teaching classes with dance school, 60 00:05:03,607 --> 00:05:05,305 'cause that was my background in Paris. 61 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:10,701 And then one day, I went to a party in Munich 62 00:05:10,832 --> 00:05:13,138 and there he was, Mr. Rob Pilatus. 63 00:05:15,097 --> 00:05:16,664 He was a break-dancer. 64 00:05:16,794 --> 00:05:18,709 He was onstage doing the helicopter. 65 00:05:22,887 --> 00:05:24,411 At the end, 66 00:05:24,541 --> 00:05:26,238 when everybody gave him his props and everything, 67 00:05:26,369 --> 00:05:28,110 he saw me and he was like, 68 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,678 "Who the hell are you? That's my turf!" 69 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:32,157 Because there were not many Black people 70 00:05:32,288 --> 00:05:33,594 in Munich at the time. 71 00:05:36,074 --> 00:05:38,468 Rob and I were the only dark-skinned people. 72 00:05:38,599 --> 00:05:41,036 There were none. 73 00:05:41,166 --> 00:05:43,995 Rob was older than me by two years. 74 00:05:44,126 --> 00:05:45,345 He had an infectious laugh-- 75 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:49,349 Like, really loud, you know? 76 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:51,002 I was socially awkward. 77 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:55,093 You know, I was shy and I was not fluent in German. 78 00:05:55,224 --> 00:05:57,531 It was like big brother, little brother. 79 00:05:59,576 --> 00:06:02,362 He became my best friend. 80 00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:04,799 But I felt like there was something inside of him 81 00:06:04,929 --> 00:06:07,323 that was--that was missing. 82 00:07:10,778 --> 00:07:14,042 Every time we talked about that period of his life, 83 00:07:14,172 --> 00:07:16,566 it was kind of like taboo, 84 00:07:16,697 --> 00:07:20,570 but I understood his pain. 85 00:07:20,701 --> 00:07:24,095 Growing up, my family was so dysfunctional. 86 00:07:24,226 --> 00:07:27,621 It was an abusive environment, 87 00:07:27,751 --> 00:07:31,276 and I ran away. 88 00:07:31,407 --> 00:07:33,714 So, just like me, 89 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:35,367 he was looking for a family. 90 00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:43,593 We moved in together in an attic of a friend of his. 91 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:47,423 Rob would take the bed, I would take the sofa. 92 00:07:47,554 --> 00:07:50,295 But there was, like, a stereo system, 93 00:07:50,426 --> 00:07:52,123 and that thing was on all day. 94 00:07:55,126 --> 00:07:57,651 Music always pulled us together. 95 00:07:59,435 --> 00:08:01,306 We both liked dancing, 96 00:08:01,437 --> 00:08:04,048 we were very social people, 97 00:08:04,179 --> 00:08:06,224 so we started throwing parties together. 98 00:08:08,139 --> 00:08:09,271 And they were packed. 99 00:08:09,401 --> 00:08:11,142 The girls were beautiful. 100 00:08:11,273 --> 00:08:12,927 You know, we had a DJ, 101 00:08:13,057 --> 00:08:15,059 and we brought the vibe. 102 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,672 You know, a circle would be happening. 103 00:08:18,802 --> 00:08:20,717 Rob doing break dancing, and when he was done, 104 00:08:20,848 --> 00:08:22,806 I would come in and I would pop, lock, 105 00:08:22,937 --> 00:08:24,460 bam, bam, bam! 106 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:27,245 And it brought a lot of attention. 107 00:08:27,376 --> 00:08:32,207 So we started doing shows in this club, Piantz. 108 00:08:32,337 --> 00:08:34,514 We loved to entertain people, like, 109 00:08:34,644 --> 00:08:37,386 make people like, "Aw, yeah!" 110 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:40,041 We loved that energy, that roar, 111 00:08:40,171 --> 00:08:42,783 and we wanna do more of this. 112 00:08:42,913 --> 00:08:44,828 And the dream was to do what we did in the club, 113 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:48,310 sing, perform, live the life, 114 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,183 to become the biggest pop stars in the world! 115 00:08:52,314 --> 00:08:54,359 ♪ Hot girl, hot girl 116 00:08:54,490 --> 00:08:56,187 ♪ I'm satisfaction, baby 117 00:08:56,318 --> 00:08:58,102 ♪ Hot girl, hot girl 118 00:08:58,233 --> 00:09:00,801 We started dancing for this TV show. 119 00:09:00,931 --> 00:09:02,324 ♪ Hot girl 120 00:09:02,454 --> 00:09:06,720 We danced behind pop stars of the '80s. 121 00:09:06,850 --> 00:09:08,809 We ended up modeling as well. 122 00:09:10,332 --> 00:09:12,726 We did some catalog. 123 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:15,511 We were making a lot of noise in Munich at that time, 124 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:18,383 but it was like, how do we get to the next level? 125 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,998 In order to become pop stars, we had to have the look, 126 00:09:24,128 --> 00:09:28,002 so we had to study what makes a superstar. 127 00:09:28,132 --> 00:09:30,657 And one thing we noticed was the hair. 128 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:33,660 I know Elvis' hair. 129 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:35,444 I know Bob Marley's hair. 130 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:38,229 Marilyn Monroe. Michael Jackson. 131 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,015 You could put, like, a shadow, and you knew who that was. 132 00:09:41,145 --> 00:09:43,713 We were like, "Hell yeah, we're doing this." 133 00:09:43,844 --> 00:09:44,932 And the hair came... 134 00:09:45,062 --> 00:09:47,978 Like that. 135 00:09:48,109 --> 00:09:50,764 Hoo! The reactions were amazing. 136 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:52,504 Every time we went to the clubs, 137 00:09:52,635 --> 00:09:55,246 girls loved the hair, loved the clothing-- 138 00:09:55,377 --> 00:09:56,770 they loved Rob and Fab. 139 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:59,207 ♪ Go to the dance floor, dansez ♪ 140 00:09:59,337 --> 00:10:01,949 ♪ Voulez vous, dansez 141 00:10:02,079 --> 00:10:03,733 We put a band together, 142 00:10:03,864 --> 00:10:05,866 Empire Bizarre... 143 00:10:05,996 --> 00:10:07,737 ♪ Hey 144 00:10:07,868 --> 00:10:09,609 And we played a few gigs. 145 00:10:09,739 --> 00:10:11,436 We gave tapes to people. 146 00:10:11,567 --> 00:10:13,047 We knew we were gonna be big. 147 00:10:13,177 --> 00:10:14,048 ♪ Dansez 148 00:10:37,811 --> 00:10:39,769 Since we were spreading the word 149 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:41,815 of us getting into the music industry, 150 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:44,252 we were starting to get approached by people. 151 00:10:46,297 --> 00:10:49,692 So one day, this guy came to Rob and said, "Hey, you know, 152 00:10:49,823 --> 00:10:50,911 we're gonna connect you with Frank Farian." 153 00:10:53,435 --> 00:10:55,742 Rob played cool to the dude, 154 00:10:55,872 --> 00:10:58,222 but to me, he was like, "Oh, my God! 155 00:10:58,353 --> 00:11:00,964 Oh, Frank Farian! You know this?" I didn't know. 156 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:05,186 Rob told me, "Hey, Frank Farian, 157 00:11:05,316 --> 00:11:06,883 he did Boney M." 158 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:10,017 I was like, "Oh, wow, that's--that's big" 159 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:13,150 because Boney M., obviously, was a huge group. 160 00:11:20,984 --> 00:11:24,292 ♪ There lived a certain man in Russia long ago ♪ 161 00:11:24,422 --> 00:11:28,905 ♪ He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow ♪ 162 00:11:29,036 --> 00:11:32,169 Boney M. were a big hit disco group in the '70s... 163 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,562 Boney M.! 164 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:36,086 - And they were huge worldwide. - Huge! 165 00:11:36,217 --> 00:11:39,786 ♪ He could preach the Bible like a preacher ♪ 166 00:11:39,916 --> 00:11:41,570 ♪ Full of ecstasy 167 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:43,267 Boney M. sold 80 million records. 168 00:11:43,398 --> 00:11:45,313 They had a number of number one hits. 169 00:11:45,443 --> 00:11:46,706 "Rivers of Babylon." 170 00:11:46,836 --> 00:11:48,359 - "Daddy Cool." - "Sunny." 171 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:49,491 I love the song "Ma Baker." 172 00:11:49,621 --> 00:11:51,188 Ra, ra, Rasputin. 173 00:11:51,319 --> 00:11:54,714 ♪ Ra, ra, Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen ♪ 174 00:11:54,844 --> 00:11:57,629 A bananas song and it's about Rasputin. 175 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,589 Mysterious figure in czarist Russia. 176 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,069 When you watch video of Boney M. 177 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:03,635 and you see Bobby Farrell, you're like, 178 00:12:03,766 --> 00:12:05,899 "Wow, that dude is awesome." 179 00:12:06,029 --> 00:12:07,988 It was on the radio, at parties. 180 00:12:08,118 --> 00:12:10,338 Boney M. made music that you could dance to 181 00:12:10,468 --> 00:12:13,515 and get drunk to and have fun. 182 00:12:13,645 --> 00:12:17,214 But how did you four people get together to form Boney M.? 183 00:12:17,345 --> 00:12:21,653 Well, it all came about from our producer Frank Farian. 184 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:27,398 If you work with Frank Farian, 185 00:12:27,529 --> 00:12:30,401 that's a high level guy. 186 00:12:30,532 --> 00:12:34,362 We realized that this could be the one we've been waiting for, 187 00:12:34,492 --> 00:12:36,190 so we went to Frankfurt. 188 00:12:40,281 --> 00:12:44,415 Frank Farian's compound was huge. 189 00:12:44,546 --> 00:12:46,896 And when they opened the door, 190 00:12:47,027 --> 00:12:50,900 we were greeted by all those gold records on the wall, 191 00:12:51,031 --> 00:12:53,294 and it was amazing. 192 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:55,949 It was the kind of stuff that you saw with Quincy Jones. 193 00:12:58,081 --> 00:13:03,217 100 tracks, Neve console, microphones. 194 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:05,915 It was incredible! 195 00:13:07,612 --> 00:13:10,311 Frank and his secretary, Ingrid Segieth, 196 00:13:10,441 --> 00:13:12,530 they said, "We're working on a project 197 00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:14,445 and we're thinking that you could be good for it," 198 00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:16,317 if we were interested. 199 00:13:16,447 --> 00:13:19,581 Hell, yeah, we were interested. 200 00:13:19,711 --> 00:13:22,976 Ingrid brought in the recording contract, 201 00:13:23,106 --> 00:13:26,153 and we never really attempted to read it. 202 00:13:26,283 --> 00:13:30,810 We were not trying to say no to this powerful producer. 203 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:34,901 Also, we would get, like, 1,500 deutschmark each, 204 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:38,905 and we were like, "Oh, hell yeah. Where? OK." 205 00:13:42,082 --> 00:13:45,085 When we signed that contract, 206 00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:46,434 we toasted. 207 00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,655 We were, like, breaking bread. 208 00:13:53,136 --> 00:13:56,748 But then Frank leaned over to Rob and told him, 209 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,664 "Don't fuck with me. 210 00:13:59,795 --> 00:14:01,579 Don't ever fuck with me." 211 00:14:09,152 --> 00:14:13,591 Several months went by. 212 00:14:13,722 --> 00:14:18,118 They never gave us any information. 213 00:14:18,248 --> 00:14:19,554 That was driving us crazy. 214 00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:21,469 Like, why don't they tell us, like, 215 00:14:21,599 --> 00:14:24,776 a date where we can come to do the vocals, 216 00:14:24,907 --> 00:14:27,823 or like, when do we get started? 217 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,655 Finally, Ingrid called. 218 00:14:33,785 --> 00:14:36,310 "Come to studio. It's gonna be good." 219 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,313 Oh, man, we were pumped. 220 00:14:39,443 --> 00:14:42,925 We went straight to the studio. 221 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:45,667 And then once everyone is in the room, 222 00:14:45,797 --> 00:14:47,669 he plays a tune. 223 00:14:58,288 --> 00:15:02,379 I couldn't believe that this music was for us. 224 00:15:08,081 --> 00:15:09,212 I saw colors. 225 00:15:09,343 --> 00:15:12,041 I saw us onstage 226 00:15:12,172 --> 00:15:14,826 singing in front of a crowd. 227 00:15:14,957 --> 00:15:16,480 And then when the music stopped... 228 00:15:16,611 --> 00:15:19,092 It was like, wow. 229 00:15:19,222 --> 00:15:21,268 You could still hear those bells-- 230 00:15:21,398 --> 00:15:23,705 ding, ding, ding, ding. 231 00:15:26,012 --> 00:15:29,319 He turned, and then, 232 00:15:29,450 --> 00:15:32,279 you know, "folgen Sie mir." You know, "follow me." 233 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:37,110 It felt serious. 234 00:15:39,634 --> 00:15:42,680 And then we end up in this dark room. 235 00:15:42,811 --> 00:15:46,249 Rob and Frank start talking really fast in German, 236 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,860 so I can't really understand everything, 237 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:51,428 but I can tell, like, it's getting intense. 238 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,127 Like, they raise their voices. 239 00:15:54,257 --> 00:15:56,303 Rob is looking at me with his green eyes. 240 00:15:56,433 --> 00:15:57,739 Like, he looks pissed. 241 00:15:59,741 --> 00:16:02,918 Frank leaves and screams, 242 00:16:03,049 --> 00:16:05,616 and then Rob turns to me, saying, 243 00:16:05,747 --> 00:16:08,228 "They don't want us to sing on this record." 244 00:16:08,358 --> 00:16:10,230 And I'm like, like-- 245 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,145 So, I'm trying to speak. 246 00:16:12,275 --> 00:16:13,320 I'm trying to talk to him 247 00:16:13,450 --> 00:16:14,799 and trying to get as much information, 248 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:16,584 but he was like, "Just wait, wait. 249 00:16:16,714 --> 00:16:18,847 "They don't want us to sing! 250 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,980 They want us to lip-sync the song." 251 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:22,590 I'm like, "What?" 252 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,549 Why in the hell? Like, he's playing us a song. 253 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,117 I'm trying to understand, like, what do you mean? 254 00:16:28,248 --> 00:16:29,858 I don't get it. 255 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:31,729 And that's where I--I-- I black out. 256 00:16:37,170 --> 00:16:38,998 I remember thinking, "This is weird. 257 00:16:39,128 --> 00:16:41,783 Like, we don't want to lip-sync." 258 00:16:41,913 --> 00:16:46,092 That's when Ingrid gave us the options. 259 00:16:48,181 --> 00:16:52,446 What she conveyed to us clearly is that 260 00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:56,493 we signed the contract, we got money-- 261 00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:59,670 if we didn't want to take part, 262 00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:02,151 we have to pay them back. 263 00:17:02,282 --> 00:17:04,023 But Ingrid said, 264 00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:07,156 "It's not just the advance that we paid you, 265 00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:08,853 "but also all the money that we gave you 266 00:17:08,984 --> 00:17:11,334 through the months." 267 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:13,771 We developed a debt towards Frank Farian. 268 00:17:16,339 --> 00:17:18,950 We were scared as hell. 269 00:17:19,081 --> 00:17:22,302 I was 21 years old and Rob was 24. 270 00:17:26,001 --> 00:17:28,569 We had nowhere to go. 271 00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:31,485 So we thought, OK, it's one song. 272 00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:33,574 You do that and you're out. 273 00:17:50,547 --> 00:17:53,507 ♪ Sunny 274 00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:58,294 ♪ Yesterday, my life was filled with rain ♪ 275 00:17:58,425 --> 00:18:01,167 ♪ Sunny 276 00:18:01,297 --> 00:18:05,954 ♪ You smiled at me and really eased the pain ♪ 277 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:07,347 ♪ Sunny 278 00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:19,272 Hold on. 279 00:18:19,402 --> 00:18:22,492 I should not be so funny. 280 00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:24,842 Serious. 281 00:18:28,019 --> 00:18:29,934 This is serious. 282 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:32,415 Thank you, schatzi. 283 00:18:33,982 --> 00:18:35,201 Interview, "Milli." Take one. 284 00:18:35,331 --> 00:18:37,464 Camera A and B, mark. 285 00:18:37,594 --> 00:18:39,988 I've heard that the name Milli Vanilli 286 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,729 is because of you. 287 00:18:41,859 --> 00:18:43,078 - Oh. - Is that true? 288 00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:44,427 That's true. 289 00:18:46,777 --> 00:18:48,605 I was Frank's girlfriend. 290 00:19:01,749 --> 00:19:04,752 I wrote the checks because I was the financial controller 291 00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:07,189 of Frank's company. 292 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:14,675 When they came into the studio, 293 00:19:14,805 --> 00:19:17,068 they looked fantastic. 294 00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,941 I never saw people like that so well-dressed 295 00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:21,856 and good-looking and braids, 296 00:19:21,986 --> 00:19:24,424 and Rob's eyes, green-- 297 00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:26,165 You couldn't stop looking at him. 298 00:19:41,397 --> 00:19:44,444 But they were such good dancers. 299 00:19:55,498 --> 00:19:57,761 Frank needed American singer like me. 300 00:19:57,892 --> 00:19:59,154 He said, "I'm gonna make a project 301 00:19:59,285 --> 00:20:01,112 and you'll be the lead singer." 302 00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:02,636 I said, "OK, let's do it." 303 00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:10,252 I'm from Houston, Texas. 304 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:12,080 Frank says, "I have a new project. 305 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,386 Can you rap it?" 306 00:20:13,516 --> 00:20:16,258 He wrote me a check for $12,000. 307 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,391 Just keep your mouth shut. 308 00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:21,568 Frank said, "Linda, we're gonna need backing vocalists." 309 00:20:21,698 --> 00:20:23,396 So I brought in my twin sister Jodie. 310 00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,136 And I looked at her, I said, "If this is 'oohs' and 'ahs' 311 00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:27,138 and 'I love you,' I'm gonna shoot you." 312 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:28,488 I said, "Shut up." 313 00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:30,185 He hits it, he says, "I want you to sing this." 314 00:20:30,316 --> 00:20:31,969 both: ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh 315 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:32,883 - ♪ I love you - I said, "Don't say it!" 316 00:20:42,371 --> 00:20:46,157 The song is ready, and the two guys--perfect. 317 00:20:49,596 --> 00:20:51,511 When they're told they're gonna lip-sync, 318 00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:52,990 what's their reaction? 319 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:54,601 No problem at all. 320 00:20:54,731 --> 00:20:58,561 They agreed and said, "OK, when can we start?" 321 00:20:58,692 --> 00:21:01,129 It was never an--an-- an argument. 322 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,697 Never ever. Never! 323 00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:06,787 So you didn't have to convince them to lip-sync? 324 00:21:06,917 --> 00:21:08,571 No! Why? 325 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,836 They want to have success and... 326 00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:24,544 Was there ever a point you said, 327 00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:26,937 give us the advance back that we gave you. 328 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:28,330 Gosh. No. 329 00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:29,592 - No? - No. 330 00:21:29,723 --> 00:21:31,638 - You didn't ask-- - No, no, no. 331 00:21:31,768 --> 00:21:36,382 This is not Frank's art-- artwork, yeah. 332 00:21:36,512 --> 00:21:38,906 If they would refuse, they can go back to Munich 333 00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:40,560 and can... 334 00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:42,126 go for... 335 00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:44,781 or something like that. 336 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:54,008 Well, I, uh... 337 00:21:54,138 --> 00:21:59,579 The first time I went to share my side, uh, 338 00:21:59,709 --> 00:22:01,015 I was young. 339 00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:04,366 And if you're a young artist, 340 00:22:04,497 --> 00:22:08,805 you can only tell what they want you to tell. 341 00:22:08,936 --> 00:22:11,417 But now, fuck it. 342 00:22:13,244 --> 00:22:15,899 I ain't keeping my mouth shut for nobody. 343 00:22:17,988 --> 00:22:22,515 Frank Farian, he was just a-- 344 00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:28,303 a genius of his art of making money. 345 00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:31,915 He knew exactly what he was doing. 346 00:22:32,046 --> 00:22:34,353 You know, it's not the first time. 347 00:22:34,483 --> 00:22:36,833 The same game was played with Boney M. 348 00:22:40,576 --> 00:22:44,406 Bobby was not a singer. 349 00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:45,625 He was a dancer. 350 00:22:48,628 --> 00:22:50,107 He was a dancer. 351 00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:58,812 And who sung? 352 00:22:58,942 --> 00:22:59,900 Frank. 353 00:23:05,471 --> 00:23:08,169 And it sold 354 00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:10,040 how many platinums, how many golds, 355 00:23:10,171 --> 00:23:11,215 you know what I'm saying? 356 00:23:19,615 --> 00:23:22,966 You're looking at him as a producer 357 00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:26,753 that made most his money on Black artists, 358 00:23:26,883 --> 00:23:28,798 and it worked. 359 00:23:28,929 --> 00:23:30,539 Then years later, he came back 360 00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:33,716 and did it again with Milli Vanilli. 361 00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:39,374 He took my voice, 362 00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:43,596 he took their faces, 363 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:46,947 he put the project together, 364 00:23:47,077 --> 00:23:50,167 he put it on the market, 365 00:23:50,298 --> 00:23:52,518 and he got rich off it. 366 00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:00,047 Milli Vanilli was delivered by Frank Farian, 367 00:24:00,177 --> 00:24:02,876 and we were the distributor. 368 00:24:03,006 --> 00:24:07,489 We only saw the pictures of the both guys and the song. 369 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:11,406 Was nice-looking guys. 370 00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:14,322 Internationally, they could be sold because they were colored 371 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,716 and everything was--every-- it fits together. 372 00:24:16,846 --> 00:24:18,935 The product was great. The music was great. 373 00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:21,416 The whole project is fantastic. 374 00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:26,726 No, we didn't know it. 375 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,641 I got tapes where-- 376 00:24:28,771 --> 00:24:34,298 me, I was told that it's Rob and Fab singing. 377 00:24:39,782 --> 00:24:41,218 One day, we're at a friend's house 378 00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:43,917 watching "Formel Eins," this TV show... 379 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:48,965 And then we see Milli Vanilli. 380 00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:52,012 Milli Vanilli, "Girl You Know It's True." 381 00:24:52,142 --> 00:24:55,450 Our name on television on "Formel Eins." 382 00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:57,452 We used to dance behind the stars 383 00:24:57,583 --> 00:24:59,280 who would come on this show, 384 00:24:59,410 --> 00:25:02,501 and suddenly, we're in the charts. 385 00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:04,285 I mean, we went crazy. 386 00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:07,462 Running, like, we even broke stuff. 387 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:10,160 The song starts to blow up, 388 00:25:10,291 --> 00:25:12,380 and it happens so fast. 389 00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:14,469 Like, every week, it was going up. 390 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,949 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 391 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,995 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, pow! 392 00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,562 And the song just takes off. 393 00:25:20,693 --> 00:25:21,955 It becomes a huge hit in Germany. 394 00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:28,831 Nobody knew it was gonna be a hit. 395 00:25:28,962 --> 00:25:30,529 Not even Frank. 396 00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:32,792 But once he's seen it was rising, 397 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,316 then he started putting more promotion into it. 398 00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:37,231 Suddenly, we were in "Bravo," 399 00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:41,583 a youth magazine in Germany, selling millions every week. 400 00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:43,977 People that were not taking us seriously 401 00:25:44,107 --> 00:25:46,936 were suddenly like, "Hey." 402 00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:49,460 And now it's going through Europe. 403 00:25:49,591 --> 00:25:52,768 So we travel up and down Europe on television. 404 00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:55,728 We were nervous. 405 00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:57,468 "Can you drop your mic a little bit?" 406 00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:58,948 No, I'm gonna keep it there. 407 00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:04,824 But nervousness translated into excitement. 408 00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:12,179 A minute ago, we didn't want to do this, 409 00:26:12,309 --> 00:26:15,095 but now, we want more. 410 00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:16,836 We were so pumped. 411 00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:19,708 You're in Italy, you're in Spain, 412 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:21,492 you're in Holland. 413 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,712 And then all of a sudden, it hits the States. 414 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,845 Bam. 415 00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:33,679 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 416 00:26:33,809 --> 00:26:36,072 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 417 00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,771 ♪ And when you pack a smile in everything you do ♪ 418 00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:40,903 ♪ Don't you understand, girl, this love is true ♪ 419 00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:44,385 They came in, braids swinging... 420 00:26:44,515 --> 00:26:46,430 Chest bumping... 421 00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:48,432 with tights on. 422 00:26:48,563 --> 00:26:52,001 It was two Black dudes with dreads coming into pop. 423 00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:55,004 That alone was the shock factor. 424 00:26:55,135 --> 00:26:58,486 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 425 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:01,881 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 426 00:27:02,011 --> 00:27:04,666 The hair and the bandannas and the shoulder pads. 427 00:27:04,797 --> 00:27:06,581 ♪ Yes, you know it's true 428 00:27:06,712 --> 00:27:08,496 It was a totally different style. 429 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:10,977 both: ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 430 00:27:11,107 --> 00:27:12,674 - That's all we knew. - They had it all. 431 00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:14,589 Like, their visuals were on point. 432 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,460 I mean, they were just eye candy. 433 00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:19,246 It was yummy, yummy, yummy. 434 00:27:22,597 --> 00:27:24,294 "Girl You Know It's True" becomes the number two hit 435 00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:25,818 in the United States. 436 00:27:25,948 --> 00:27:27,210 "Girl You Know It's True," number two. 437 00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:30,213 Oh, my God. 438 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:34,565 It became a top five hit in 23 countries around the world. 439 00:27:34,696 --> 00:27:37,743 That's Michael Jackson level success. 440 00:27:37,873 --> 00:27:39,222 Ah! 441 00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,530 Great music, it just rises. 442 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:46,403 When those special ones come, they come. 443 00:27:46,534 --> 00:27:49,711 As much as it wasn't the right thing to do, 444 00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:52,192 the power of "Girl You Know It's True"... 445 00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:53,889 ♪ I'm so in love, girl 446 00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,021 Was pulling on us. 447 00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:56,500 ♪ I'm so in love, girl 448 00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:02,419 This energy, this hype... - Do you want to party? 449 00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:05,509 The love... 450 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,948 So from that point on, 451 00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:11,820 we embraced the lie. 452 00:28:40,544 --> 00:28:42,372 - What's up? - Running. 453 00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:44,461 Yeah. 454 00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:47,203 Number one. 455 00:28:47,334 --> 00:28:48,378 Every time we were around people 456 00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:49,684 or, like, taking pictures... 457 00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:50,903 OK. 458 00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,558 We knew, you know, you know. 459 00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:56,082 They don't know. Do they know? I don't know. 460 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,610 But it was too difficult to say no to this new life. 461 00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:10,270 "Girl You Know It's True" just unveiled the beast in us. 462 00:29:16,189 --> 00:29:17,320 Yeah. 463 00:29:23,544 --> 00:29:25,546 We came from nothing and now we were tasting 464 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:27,678 this pop star life. 465 00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:30,420 To be adored, to be loved, 466 00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:33,510 that became very addictive. 467 00:29:56,533 --> 00:29:58,274 I was nervous. 468 00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:04,193 Being caught was something that was always, always very aware. 469 00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:06,674 So, when will we have your LP? 470 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:09,459 Gonna come out in two weeks. 471 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:14,290 It's just like very pop dance orientated music. 472 00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:16,379 Are you ready here? 473 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:22,559 For us, it was a surprise that it developed immediately. 474 00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:24,953 It was worthwhile thinking about what you can do. 475 00:30:25,084 --> 00:30:28,174 Do we need an album? Yes, we need an album. 476 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,090 Do we need a second single? Yes, we need a second single. 477 00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:39,359 I get the call. 478 00:30:39,489 --> 00:30:40,795 "Frank needs to talk to you." 479 00:30:42,449 --> 00:30:44,973 So I goes up to the studio, 480 00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:48,411 Ingrid opened the door, I go in. 481 00:30:48,542 --> 00:30:49,412 Sit in the kitchen and wait. 482 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,985 He came out--took his time, fixed him a coffee-- 483 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,596 and then he said, 484 00:30:59,727 --> 00:31:02,512 "I told you, keep your mouth shut." 485 00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:10,129 He says to me, um, "They found out in Munich, 486 00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:12,522 "from your promotion manager or whoever, 487 00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:15,786 "that you're the voice. 488 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:17,614 Don't want to see you here anymore." 489 00:31:17,745 --> 00:31:19,442 We didn't talk anymore. 490 00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:23,403 That's it. 491 00:31:23,533 --> 00:31:28,321 I was kicked to the curb. 492 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,066 One night, Frank Farian called me up. 493 00:31:34,196 --> 00:31:36,720 He said, "John, I've got a project I'm working on." 494 00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:43,597 "I had a rapper, Charles Shaw, who tried the situation 495 00:31:43,727 --> 00:31:47,470 and he was not good so can you come to the studio?" 496 00:31:50,038 --> 00:31:52,301 So that's what I did. 497 00:31:52,432 --> 00:31:54,477 He said, "You got 10,000 D-marks," 498 00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:56,871 and I said, "Wow." 499 00:31:57,002 --> 00:32:00,005 He said, "You're gonna do the whole album with me." 500 00:32:00,135 --> 00:32:03,573 Frank said, "We're gonna be doing more songs." 501 00:32:03,704 --> 00:32:05,880 We always asked, "Where is Rob and Fab? 502 00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:07,969 When are they gonna start singing?" 503 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,102 Frank said, "They're gonna record in the evening 504 00:32:10,232 --> 00:32:11,538 when you guys are done." 505 00:32:30,513 --> 00:32:33,038 I used to have to go through the back door 506 00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:35,127 because Frank didn't want nobody know 507 00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:37,520 I was the lead singer. 508 00:32:37,651 --> 00:32:39,740 This is run like a tight military operation. 509 00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:42,482 It's on a need-to-know basis. 510 00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:45,050 It was smoke and mirrors. 511 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:49,445 David Copperfield couldn't have done it better. 512 00:32:49,576 --> 00:32:52,840 We like it hot, don't we? 513 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,451 You want to get down with Milli Vanilli? 514 00:32:55,582 --> 00:32:58,019 They're coming. It's a hit. Shake your booty. 515 00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:00,543 "Girl You Know It's True." 516 00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:12,599 - One, mark. - Mark. 517 00:33:15,297 --> 00:33:17,604 Make sure everyone's phone's on silent. 518 00:33:17,734 --> 00:33:18,953 That's a good idea. 519 00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:28,354 Clive is a-- is a gift-seeker. 520 00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:32,271 He is like the Yoda of talent. 521 00:33:32,401 --> 00:33:33,794 He knows. 522 00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:36,275 He just knows. 523 00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:39,800 With Milli Vanilli, Clive saw dollar signs. 524 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:42,020 "Girl You Know It's True" is big now. 525 00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:45,023 How can we cash in on the immediate moment? 526 00:33:45,153 --> 00:33:48,374 Well, we moved everything up as fast as possible. 527 00:33:48,504 --> 00:33:51,159 Clive would say every week that we're missing, 528 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,248 we're missing, like, a million dollars. 529 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:56,556 So we had to put an album in motion. 530 00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:59,907 But the album that's out in Europe, "All or Nothing," 531 00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:03,998 was not strong enough to release in America. 532 00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:06,435 Clive called up Diane Warren. 533 00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:08,220 Diane Warren is one of the biggest songwriters 534 00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:09,569 there are in the country. 535 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,788 I had written "Blame It On The Rain" 536 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:13,529 when I was scheduled to see Clive, 537 00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:15,705 and he goes, I want you to hear this new group I have. 538 00:34:15,836 --> 00:34:17,142 And he played me "Girl You Know It's True." 539 00:34:17,272 --> 00:34:18,534 I'm like, "This is so crazy 540 00:34:18,665 --> 00:34:19,927 "'cause the song I'm bringing you 541 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:21,276 really sounds like the follow-up to that." 542 00:34:21,407 --> 00:34:22,799 It's even the same rhythm. 543 00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:25,150 "Girl You Know It's True," "Blame It On The Rain." 544 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,152 I played him the song and he loved it. 545 00:34:27,282 --> 00:34:29,632 He sent it to Frank Farian and they recorded it. 546 00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:35,508 Normally, when you've given the producer 547 00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:38,293 some repertoire for them to record, 548 00:34:38,424 --> 00:34:41,383 you want to be there to make sure it gets done. 549 00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:43,472 In the case of Frank, though, 550 00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,171 he didn't want anyone in the studio. 551 00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:53,352 It was very weird for us to find the songs, 552 00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:55,136 send them to Frank, 553 00:34:55,267 --> 00:35:00,707 and then have them produce it without any of our presence. 554 00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:05,277 But the speculation that we were somehow aware of 555 00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:08,106 what was going on behind the scenes in Germany 556 00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:11,761 is simply not the case. 557 00:35:11,892 --> 00:35:16,592 If an outside producer sends in all the album credits, 558 00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:18,377 you have to take it on faith 559 00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:21,771 that represents what actually happened in the studio. 560 00:35:21,902 --> 00:35:23,860 There was no reason to think not. 561 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,824 Ah, there it is. 562 00:35:30,954 --> 00:35:34,132 So this is the European version of the album "All or Nothing." 563 00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:37,135 You see Rob and Fab on the cover, the first album. 564 00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:39,572 That's their, like, running man logo. 565 00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:40,747 There they are on the back, 566 00:35:40,877 --> 00:35:43,663 shirtless, of course, 'cause why not? 567 00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:48,233 And let's see who's credited on this album. 568 00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,543 So it says musicians here, 569 00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:58,765 and I don't see Rob and Fab on here at all. 570 00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:04,249 So, backing vocals, Jodie and Linda Rocco, Charles Shaw-- 571 00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:05,946 produced by Frank Farian. 572 00:36:06,076 --> 00:36:09,210 But this is the truth in advertising version 573 00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:11,169 that doesn't have them on it. 574 00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:14,520 If I'm at a record label and I'm putting out this record, 575 00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:17,740 and I look at the vocalists and the guys who are on the cover 576 00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,395 are not listed in the liner notes, 577 00:36:20,526 --> 00:36:21,962 I'm gonna have some questions, you know? 578 00:36:22,092 --> 00:36:25,008 Like, that is a giant red flag for me. 579 00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,146 That was the name of the European album. 580 00:36:35,454 --> 00:36:37,760 Really? OK. I didn't know that. 581 00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:40,720 - So that's-- 582 00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:48,031 I-- 583 00:36:48,162 --> 00:36:49,032 I don't know what to say to that. 584 00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:54,299 Yeah, but we didn't release that record, so-- 585 00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:01,915 Really? I forgot about that. 586 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:13,883 ♪ Woo, blame it on the rain 587 00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:16,146 - ♪ Rain - ♪ Yeah, yeah 588 00:37:16,277 --> 00:37:18,671 ♪ Blame it on the stars 589 00:37:18,801 --> 00:37:20,063 - ♪ Stars - ♪ Ooh 590 00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:22,370 Rob Pilatus, my brother, 591 00:37:22,501 --> 00:37:24,851 he loved "Blame It On The Rain" because that was-- 592 00:37:24,981 --> 00:37:28,202 that was his thing. 593 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:29,769 ♪ You said you didn't need her ♪ 594 00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:33,120 "Blame It On The Rain" is number one hit in 1989. 595 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,949 They released "Baby Don't Forget My Number," number one. 596 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,865 "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You" is the third number one song. 597 00:37:38,995 --> 00:37:40,867 They have three number one smashes off that record. 598 00:37:40,997 --> 00:37:42,434 That feels impossible. 599 00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:44,740 ♪ To satisfy your pride 600 00:37:44,871 --> 00:37:47,874 And once you have three big hit singles, 601 00:37:48,004 --> 00:37:50,964 you're gonna sell a lot of albums. 602 00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:54,446 If an artist sells 500,000 and went gold, that's terrific. 603 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:59,799 ♪ You let her walk away 604 00:37:59,929 --> 00:38:02,541 If an artist sells a million albums, that's something. 605 00:38:02,671 --> 00:38:03,890 ♪ Got to blame it on something ♪ 606 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,718 But 8 million? 607 00:38:05,848 --> 00:38:07,981 It's one of the biggest debuts of all time. 608 00:38:08,111 --> 00:38:13,247 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 609 00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:16,424 ♪ Blame it on the stars that didn't shine that night ♪ 610 00:38:16,555 --> 00:38:18,034 To just come out of nowhere 611 00:38:18,165 --> 00:38:20,515 and have a number one debut album for seven weeks, 612 00:38:20,646 --> 00:38:23,083 well, that just was unheard of at the time. 613 00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:27,174 ♪ Blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah ♪ 614 00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:30,960 Debut album, hot right out of the gate. 615 00:38:31,091 --> 00:38:32,527 "Here's Milli Vanilli. 616 00:38:32,658 --> 00:38:34,094 What do you want to do with it?" 617 00:38:34,224 --> 00:38:36,009 Well, we want to play it. We want to dance to it. 618 00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:37,663 We want to have fun with them. 619 00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:40,318 Can we get them in the studio? We want to meet them. 620 00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:45,192 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 621 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,194 ♪ Blame it on the stars 622 00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,414 At that point, what are we gonna do? 623 00:38:49,544 --> 00:38:52,591 Should we bring them over? Should they do the MTV tour? 624 00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:54,984 Then that all kicks in. 625 00:38:55,115 --> 00:38:57,160 ♪ Blame it on the rain 626 00:38:57,291 --> 00:39:00,076 Labels saw we were growing in the charts in America. 627 00:39:00,207 --> 00:39:01,774 ♪ Blame it on the rain 628 00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:04,254 Our presence was needed. 629 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,869 But Frank didn't want us to go to America. 630 00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,392 Frank was apprehensive 631 00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:14,003 because of the big secret, obviously. 632 00:39:14,134 --> 00:39:17,006 Frank was concerned that they would go to America 633 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:19,879 and fuck up everything. 634 00:39:20,009 --> 00:39:23,056 America had our heart. 635 00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:27,408 "We want to go to the US. USA! USA!" 636 00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:33,893 Coming to LA for us was like 637 00:39:34,023 --> 00:39:36,374 we're living the dream, we're doing things. 638 00:39:36,504 --> 00:39:37,810 - A'ight? - Kick it. 639 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,726 Hollywood, Malibu. 640 00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:43,293 The girls are hot there, too. Oof. 641 00:39:45,557 --> 00:39:47,254 ♪ Cold coolin' at a bar 642 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,561 We got a manager, Sandy Gallin... 643 00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:50,997 ♪ But like Mick Jagger said ♪ 644 00:39:51,127 --> 00:39:52,390 He was like a big player. 645 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,782 ♪ I can't get no satisfaction ♪ 646 00:39:53,913 --> 00:39:55,218 He had Michael Jackson at the time, 647 00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:57,743 Dolly Parton--tons of people. 648 00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:58,961 That's why he had us, 649 00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,310 to handle people like Milli Vanilli. 650 00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:03,009 ♪ Funky Cold Medina 651 00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:05,359 I was truly, in the beginning, a fan. 652 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:07,230 I said to them, "You know, I've never been 653 00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:08,884 a manager before," 654 00:40:09,015 --> 00:40:13,062 and Rob said, "Well, we've never been pop stars before." 655 00:40:13,193 --> 00:40:15,848 I was like, "OK, here we go." 656 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:23,421 My first job was putting them on the MTV tour. 657 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,945 It was gonna be our first tour in America-- 658 00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:29,427 a 107 city tour in eight months-- 659 00:40:29,557 --> 00:40:31,690 so we had to put a band together. 660 00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:35,781 I was the band leader then. 661 00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:38,610 We had rehearsed, we were flawless. 662 00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:41,351 Everybody was really invested in this gig 663 00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:44,398 'cause it was the new hottest shit, you know? 664 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:46,618 After we had been approved, 665 00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:50,709 Rob and Fab disappeared. They were gone. 666 00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:54,669 So we were just rehearsing with no artist. 667 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,847 And I start going, "These guys must be really, really good. 668 00:40:58,978 --> 00:41:01,110 "They don't rehearse, they don't fucking do nothing. 669 00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:04,636 They-- what the hell's going on?" 670 00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:06,464 We started asking more questions. 671 00:41:06,594 --> 00:41:09,249 We got to realize, this musical director at the time 672 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:13,775 is programming this Oberheim. There's where the vocals are. 673 00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:17,431 And then we understood, "Oh, they're lip-syncing." 674 00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:19,738 So we said, "OK, we're in a lip-sync band." 675 00:41:21,783 --> 00:41:23,524 They said, "Don't say anything about this to anybody else." 676 00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:24,786 "Fine." 677 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,228 The show would play to packed arenas. 678 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:37,407 Rob and Fab were two sexy performers selling hits, 679 00:41:37,538 --> 00:41:40,367 and they did a really bloody good job at it. 680 00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:05,087 Yeah! 681 00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:08,700 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 682 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:14,880 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 683 00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:16,969 ♪ Yes, you know it's true 684 00:42:20,755 --> 00:42:22,757 The audience loved them. 685 00:42:22,888 --> 00:42:25,543 Yeah! 686 00:42:25,673 --> 00:42:27,980 It was very powerful. 687 00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:30,112 ♪ Girl, you know it's, girl, you know it's ♪ 688 00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,637 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 689 00:42:32,767 --> 00:42:34,900 ♪ Girl, you know it's, yes, you know it's ♪ 690 00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:38,381 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 691 00:42:38,512 --> 00:42:42,516 Performing is a drug. 692 00:42:42,647 --> 00:42:47,477 That euphoric feeling allowed us to just forget everything. 693 00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:02,580 Milli Vanilli, the European duo, 694 00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:04,712 now one of the hottest groups in America, 695 00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:07,672 made a special trip to the Disney MGM Studios theme parks 696 00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:08,760 where we arranged for them to have 697 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:10,500 an exclusive interview session 698 00:43:10,631 --> 00:43:12,502 with some of their most loyal fans. 699 00:43:12,633 --> 00:43:14,156 Wherever you've performed, 700 00:43:14,287 --> 00:43:17,072 has anything really embarrassing happened to you? 701 00:43:17,203 --> 00:43:18,465 Yeah. 702 00:43:28,301 --> 00:43:30,433 It was super hot that day. 703 00:43:30,564 --> 00:43:34,612 "Downtown" Julie Brown introduces us as usual. 704 00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:43,359 I decided to take a break-- 705 00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:46,536 the show had been going now for a few months-- 706 00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:49,452 and it was while I was in my trailer 707 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:54,066 I heard the crowd, like, getting a little bit rowdy. 708 00:43:56,285 --> 00:43:58,679 The vocals that were being cued from the emulator 709 00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:00,072 started repeating. 710 00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,639 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- 711 00:44:01,769 --> 00:44:03,902 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- girl, you know it's-- ♪ 712 00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,730 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- 713 00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,428 It was like-- 714 00:44:08,558 --> 00:44:09,516 Shit! 715 00:44:12,301 --> 00:44:16,131 As I open my door, I saw Rob go flying by. 716 00:44:16,262 --> 00:44:19,221 Rob and Fab were gone, and I'm onstage still with 717 00:44:19,352 --> 00:44:21,223 the guitar player and the drummer going "What the fuck? 718 00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:23,530 Do we continue the song on or what are we doing here?" 719 00:44:25,488 --> 00:44:26,533 So, of course, there was outrage. 720 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:27,882 I was furious. 721 00:44:28,013 --> 00:44:30,798 "What the fuck, you know? Find him!" 722 00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:33,671 Rob was pissed. He was like, "Fuck that!" 723 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,021 He lost his cool. 724 00:44:36,151 --> 00:44:38,545 Rob had gotten hold of me to say, 725 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:39,764 "I don't know what to do." 726 00:44:39,894 --> 00:44:41,417 You know, he was scared. 727 00:44:43,942 --> 00:44:45,334 He kind of exploded. 728 00:44:45,465 --> 00:44:51,079 It was the moment where it just burst open. 729 00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:53,081 And at that time, we didn't know 730 00:44:53,212 --> 00:44:56,868 what pressure he was feeling because we didn't know 731 00:44:56,998 --> 00:44:58,608 the load they were carrying. 732 00:45:27,376 --> 00:45:30,597 ♪ On the rain that was falling ♪ 733 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:31,729 When Milli Vanilli blew up, 734 00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:33,382 I was a program director at 735 00:45:33,513 --> 00:45:38,257 WILD radio station, Boston. 1090 on the AM dial. 736 00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:43,001 The only Black station within miles 737 00:45:43,131 --> 00:45:45,351 of Boston, Massachusetts. 738 00:45:47,353 --> 00:45:50,399 The guys came to our radio station for our morning show. 739 00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:51,879 And I remember them sitting there, 740 00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:53,359 and when I heard them talk for the first time, 741 00:45:53,489 --> 00:45:55,709 I'm like, "Oh, they sound very different 742 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,016 than they do on the record." 743 00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:01,584 Please welcome Milli Vanilli. 744 00:46:05,153 --> 00:46:07,547 Once they started doing promotional dates, 745 00:46:07,677 --> 00:46:10,202 it became pretty clear that something was strange. 746 00:46:10,332 --> 00:46:11,725 Fab, how are you finding Australia? 747 00:46:11,856 --> 00:46:12,987 You enjoying it? 748 00:46:15,903 --> 00:46:17,383 Sydney? 749 00:46:17,513 --> 00:46:19,254 Syd-ney. Syd-ney. 750 00:46:20,081 --> 00:46:23,693 Melbourne. Melbourne. 751 00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:28,960 It just seemed that they weren't comfortable 752 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:31,266 communicating in English. 753 00:46:31,397 --> 00:46:33,921 Who inspired you the most, Rob? 754 00:46:34,052 --> 00:46:36,576 Uh, diff--difficult. 755 00:46:36,706 --> 00:46:39,100 You could tell they were sweating bullets. 756 00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:40,275 People were starting to, you know, 757 00:46:40,406 --> 00:46:41,842 giggle a little bit on the sides. 758 00:46:41,973 --> 00:46:43,626 Fab, you speak English, right? 759 00:46:43,757 --> 00:46:46,281 - Yeah, I can, too. - Who are your-- 760 00:46:46,412 --> 00:46:48,544 And it was easy to kind of latch on to that 761 00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:49,850 and make them a joke. 762 00:46:49,981 --> 00:46:53,898 You are Germany, and I'm from French. 763 00:46:54,028 --> 00:46:55,725 Oh. 764 00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,382 There's a way that I think some people knew. 765 00:47:00,513 --> 00:47:04,691 ♪ Blame it on the rain 766 00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:06,649 Arsenio Hall is someone who had been around the business 767 00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:09,174 a long time and had seen a lot. 768 00:47:09,304 --> 00:47:11,176 Man, I think Milli Vanilli doing crack. 769 00:47:11,306 --> 00:47:12,699 I don't think-- 770 00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:14,527 It seemed bad to a lot of these folks. 771 00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:16,834 Those pants too tight. They going-- 772 00:47:16,964 --> 00:47:18,618 They knew something was up. 773 00:47:21,447 --> 00:47:23,405 Privately, I thought, like, 774 00:47:23,536 --> 00:47:26,365 you know, "Did they really sing everything?" 775 00:47:26,495 --> 00:47:28,236 Girls! crowd: Girls! 776 00:47:28,367 --> 00:47:30,848 Hey, boys! crowd: Hey, boys! 777 00:47:30,978 --> 00:47:34,112 Yeah! crowd: Yeah! 778 00:47:34,242 --> 00:47:37,376 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- girl, you know it's true ♪ 779 00:47:37,506 --> 00:47:39,726 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh 780 00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:42,163 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 781 00:47:42,294 --> 00:47:44,252 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 782 00:47:44,383 --> 00:47:47,081 We didn't sing on those records. 783 00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:49,257 ♪ Don't you understand, girl, this love is true ♪ 784 00:47:49,388 --> 00:47:51,433 We didn't even sound like those records. 785 00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:56,612 We were lying. 786 00:48:07,014 --> 00:48:08,842 Lies are taking the elevators 787 00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:11,801 while the truth takes the stairs. 788 00:48:15,762 --> 00:48:18,634 I knew that at some point, the truth would rise. 789 00:48:21,202 --> 00:48:23,813 They were gonna catch us at some point or another. 790 00:48:33,998 --> 00:48:37,523 This load on our shoulders, 791 00:48:37,653 --> 00:48:40,395 it was getting heavy and heavy and heavy. 792 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,566 I was a little bit tired by it, yeah. 793 00:49:30,576 --> 00:49:34,101 We drank more, took more drugs, 794 00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:36,974 to be able to, like, numb out. 795 00:49:57,081 --> 00:49:59,387 I think next time, next time, maybe-- 796 00:49:59,518 --> 00:50:00,823 should we ask them to sing next time? 797 00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:13,706 Um... 798 00:50:13,836 --> 00:50:17,057 This, uh... 799 00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:44,188 They got double platinum. They got gold records. 800 00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,236 Everybody else got a gold record of my voice 801 00:51:49,367 --> 00:51:50,585 on their walls. 802 00:51:52,544 --> 00:51:55,721 That's my voice! 803 00:51:55,851 --> 00:51:57,766 You end up drinking, 804 00:51:57,897 --> 00:52:01,205 you end up taking drugs to not think about 805 00:52:01,335 --> 00:52:03,990 what's really happening in reality. 806 00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:06,862 Then my manager that I had at that time said, 807 00:52:06,993 --> 00:52:09,126 "Well, you know what? 808 00:52:09,256 --> 00:52:13,086 We're gonna do interviews. You're gonna go live." 809 00:52:13,217 --> 00:52:14,957 I was singing before Milli Vanilli 810 00:52:15,088 --> 00:52:17,264 even thought about becoming stars. 811 00:52:17,395 --> 00:52:20,572 I went abroad and said it in a TV show, 812 00:52:20,702 --> 00:52:22,269 it's my voice. 813 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,055 Music is from Frank Farian and not from Milli Vanilli. 814 00:52:34,194 --> 00:52:37,154 And Frank denied it all. 815 00:52:37,284 --> 00:52:40,157 His words were--I can remember them to the day-- 816 00:52:40,287 --> 00:52:43,116 "This artist is a liar. 817 00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,814 "Look the way he's dressed. 818 00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:48,034 "The Black guy. 819 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:49,427 He's just trying to make money." 820 00:53:02,701 --> 00:53:04,137 Ingrid! 821 00:53:04,268 --> 00:53:05,791 She said, "Frank don't want you to be 822 00:53:05,921 --> 00:53:08,794 "talking out there to nobody. Keep your mouth shut." 823 00:53:08,924 --> 00:53:10,274 "How could you say that? 824 00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:13,320 You're just trying to get publicity." 825 00:53:13,451 --> 00:53:16,062 Milli Vanilli fans? Oh, man. 826 00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:18,412 Death threats. 827 00:53:18,543 --> 00:53:23,374 "Your next show, this and this is gonna happen to you." 828 00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,506 The phone rang and it was Charles Shaw. 829 00:53:25,637 --> 00:53:27,465 And I didn't know who he was, 830 00:53:27,595 --> 00:53:29,206 and he said, "I'm the real singer of Milli Vanilli 831 00:53:29,336 --> 00:53:31,338 and you have to help me." 832 00:53:31,469 --> 00:53:33,688 So I called Sandy right away 833 00:53:33,819 --> 00:53:35,560 and I said, "I just got this weird call from this guy. 834 00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:36,822 He says he's the real voice." 835 00:53:36,952 --> 00:53:40,173 "Ah, just a crazy person. Just ignore it." 836 00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:42,871 It didn't interest anybody. 837 00:53:44,046 --> 00:53:48,050 You get tired of trying to 838 00:53:48,181 --> 00:53:51,140 lead a jackass to water 839 00:53:51,271 --> 00:53:53,099 and make him drink it. 840 00:54:15,817 --> 00:54:17,950 People wanted to believe 841 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,647 they are really singing these songs 842 00:54:19,778 --> 00:54:21,736 because it was a good production. 843 00:54:21,867 --> 00:54:23,260 It was entertainment. 844 00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:28,090 It's a magic trick pulled off in front of you onstage, 845 00:54:28,221 --> 00:54:30,049 and the audience usually wants to be deceived 846 00:54:30,179 --> 00:54:31,833 in a magic show. 847 00:54:31,964 --> 00:54:35,184 So if everyone benefits from a scam like that, 848 00:54:35,315 --> 00:54:36,795 including the audience, 849 00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:39,406 it's very easy to look the other way. 850 00:54:39,537 --> 00:54:40,712 Everyone got his bonus, 851 00:54:40,842 --> 00:54:43,149 everyone was happy to be successful, 852 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,021 and the people are happy to have this record. 853 00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:51,026 We all together were in a very nice flow of success. 854 00:54:54,378 --> 00:54:56,075 ♪ Mo-mo-mo-money rules the world ♪ 855 00:54:56,205 --> 00:54:58,033 ♪ It's still the same old greed ♪ 856 00:54:58,164 --> 00:55:00,558 Successful music is a great money machine. 857 00:55:00,688 --> 00:55:03,212 Their videos are hot, their songs are hot. 858 00:55:03,343 --> 00:55:04,823 Singles, albums, maxi singles... 859 00:55:04,953 --> 00:55:06,128 Buy it now. 860 00:55:06,259 --> 00:55:09,001 The album made $580 million. 861 00:55:09,131 --> 00:55:12,178 They had sold approximately 46 million records, global. 862 00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:14,093 There was merchandise, keychains, 863 00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:15,399 ticket sales to the concerts. 864 00:55:15,529 --> 00:55:17,444 It's Milli Vanilli. Milli Vanilli! 865 00:55:17,575 --> 00:55:19,533 What a show. What a night. 866 00:55:19,664 --> 00:55:21,579 We're going to a Milli Vanilli concert. 867 00:55:21,709 --> 00:55:25,539 They could've recorded the alphabet, the phonebook. 868 00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:27,889 You name it, they were selling it. 869 00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:29,282 Their logo is the running man 870 00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:32,198 and it symbolizes the pursuit of success. 871 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:33,939 If they do any better next year, 872 00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:36,115 they're gonna have to find a new logo. 873 00:55:36,245 --> 00:55:37,943 At that time, Frank Farian was worth 874 00:55:38,073 --> 00:55:39,945 almost half a billion. 875 00:55:40,075 --> 00:55:43,209 ♪ Money rules the world and don't you love that cash? ♪ 876 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,559 They continued to steamroll through the end of the year. 877 00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:48,257 And the winner is... Milli Vanilli. 878 00:55:48,388 --> 00:55:49,650 They won three American Music Awards... 879 00:55:49,781 --> 00:55:51,173 Milli Vanilli. 880 00:55:51,913 --> 00:55:53,524 Milli Vanilli! 881 00:55:53,654 --> 00:55:55,569 This train was moving. 882 00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,833 Thank you to our producer, Frank Farian, 883 00:55:58,964 --> 00:56:00,487 to our manager, Sandy Gallin. 884 00:56:00,618 --> 00:56:02,663 We'd like to thank Clive Davis. 885 00:56:02,794 --> 00:56:04,752 ♪ Money rules the world 886 00:56:04,883 --> 00:56:06,798 Arista, BMG, 887 00:56:06,928 --> 00:56:10,279 they were cashing in the bucks. 888 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:12,020 ♪ Money, money 889 00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:13,892 And the whole thing with Milli Vanilli 890 00:56:14,022 --> 00:56:15,372 would have kept going if 891 00:56:15,502 --> 00:56:18,505 they had not been nominated for the Grammys. 892 00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:24,250 Well, because-- no, but, see, 893 00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:27,993 most everybody knew the secret, and I didn't. 894 00:56:28,123 --> 00:56:29,429 They never told me this, 895 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,563 so I just assumed they sang, you know? 896 00:56:34,347 --> 00:56:37,002 So we're at a conference meeting and I said, 897 00:56:37,132 --> 00:56:39,134 "I think Milli Vanilli could get nominated for a Grammy." 898 00:56:39,265 --> 00:56:41,267 I thought "Blame It On The Rain" was a Grammy song. 899 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,356 They laughed at me and they're like, "Trust me, 900 00:56:43,487 --> 00:56:46,403 Milli Vanilli's never gonna get nominated for a Grammy." 901 00:56:46,533 --> 00:56:48,361 So I called National Academy of 902 00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:50,058 Recording Arts and Sciences. 903 00:56:50,189 --> 00:56:51,756 They put me right through to Mike Greene's office, 904 00:56:51,886 --> 00:56:54,541 the president of NARAS. 905 00:56:54,672 --> 00:56:57,457 I had no idea how somebody actually does get nominated, 906 00:56:57,588 --> 00:56:59,459 and he said, "Oh, you just put it on 907 00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:01,592 "your management company letterhead, 908 00:57:01,722 --> 00:57:04,769 'please consider Milli Vanilli for a Grammy.'" 909 00:57:04,899 --> 00:57:07,772 So I typed it up and faxed it off to the Academy. 910 00:57:07,902 --> 00:57:10,296 Never thought another thing about it. 911 00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:13,952 So when that ballot came out and Milli Vanilli was on it, 912 00:57:14,082 --> 00:57:17,216 like, just everything hit the fan. 913 00:57:17,346 --> 00:57:19,740 Clive called Sandy and threw a hissy fit, 914 00:57:19,871 --> 00:57:22,395 and then Sandy called me absolutely furious, 915 00:57:22,526 --> 00:57:24,528 like, "Look what you've done!" 916 00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:26,399 I'm like, 917 00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:28,401 "why doesn't anybody want them to have a Grammy award?" 918 00:57:36,017 --> 00:57:38,977 If Milli Vanilli had been nominated for 919 00:57:39,107 --> 00:57:41,327 the lip-sync awards, that would've been fine, 920 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:45,853 but they got nominated for this prestigious musical award 921 00:57:45,984 --> 00:57:47,899 and they were up against people who produce music 922 00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:49,901 and write music and sing. 923 00:57:50,031 --> 00:57:51,206 They were up against the Indigo Girls... 924 00:57:51,337 --> 00:57:55,515 ♪ Closer I am to fine 925 00:57:55,646 --> 00:57:57,474 This incredible folk duo who sang 926 00:57:57,604 --> 00:57:59,824 these beautiful, deep songs. 927 00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:02,566 They were up against Tone Loc. 928 00:58:02,696 --> 00:58:04,393 ♪ Funky Cold Medina 929 00:58:04,524 --> 00:58:07,396 Tone Loc made brilliantly constructed records, 930 00:58:07,527 --> 00:58:10,008 full of incredibly clever rhythmic artifice. 931 00:58:10,138 --> 00:58:12,140 - ♪ Sweetness - Neneh Cherry, who had 932 00:58:12,271 --> 00:58:15,274 a really interesting debut album and had a lot to say. 933 00:58:15,404 --> 00:58:16,754 ♪ We always hang in a buffalo stance ♪ 934 00:58:16,884 --> 00:58:18,973 ♪ Back to life 935 00:58:19,104 --> 00:58:23,412 Soul II Soul changed the way R&B music sounded. 936 00:58:23,543 --> 00:58:25,937 They changed the way music moved. 937 00:58:26,067 --> 00:58:28,853 And so, if I'm one of those artists, 938 00:58:28,983 --> 00:58:30,245 I'm like, "These guys?" 939 00:58:33,422 --> 00:58:37,992 We knew that the Grammys were the highest standard. 940 00:58:41,256 --> 00:58:45,478 Then here we were, you know, Rob and Fab. 941 00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:50,527 Not only that, they want us to perform live. 942 00:58:50,657 --> 00:58:54,095 I thought, how the hell are they going to do the Grammys 943 00:58:54,226 --> 00:58:55,575 when it's all live? 944 00:59:00,232 --> 00:59:02,277 Live-sing. 945 00:59:15,073 --> 00:59:18,293 Michael Greene was the head of NARAS at the time. 946 00:59:18,424 --> 00:59:22,950 I remember taking a picture with him, and him saying, 947 00:59:23,081 --> 00:59:25,692 "Be sure you do it right tonight." 948 00:59:27,955 --> 00:59:29,827 Money, money, money makes the world go 'round. 949 00:59:37,356 --> 00:59:39,140 We're at the Shrine. 950 00:59:39,271 --> 00:59:42,970 I remember getting out of the car and going in. 951 00:59:43,101 --> 00:59:45,103 On that day, it was pressure. 952 00:59:46,365 --> 00:59:47,322 Ladies and gentlemen, 953 00:59:47,453 --> 00:59:49,890 Mr. Mike Greene. - Thank you. 954 00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:51,631 This is a great night for music! 955 00:59:53,328 --> 00:59:55,330 Yeah, boy! 956 00:59:55,461 --> 00:59:58,116 All the stars are in the building. 957 00:59:58,246 --> 01:00:00,292 Woo-hoo! 958 01:00:02,033 --> 01:00:04,862 Finally, it was our turn to be on that stage. 959 01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:07,386 Cold sweat. 960 01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:08,953 Well, girl, you know it's true. 961 01:00:09,083 --> 01:00:11,912 It can only mean Milli Vanilli. 962 01:00:15,524 --> 01:00:17,091 Hit it! 963 01:00:26,448 --> 01:00:28,712 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 964 01:00:28,842 --> 01:00:31,105 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 965 01:00:31,236 --> 01:00:33,586 ♪ And when you pack a smile in everything you do ♪ 966 01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,022 Performing in front of the Grammys 967 01:00:35,153 --> 01:00:38,330 with all those artists, that was nerve wracking. 968 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:41,986 - ♪ And this is true - ♪ Girl, you know it's true 969 01:00:42,116 --> 01:00:45,554 All those people who spent years of their lives 970 01:00:45,685 --> 01:00:47,252 to get to this point, 971 01:00:47,382 --> 01:00:48,949 and we got here pretty fast. 972 01:01:03,442 --> 01:01:05,618 I remember sitting there, 973 01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:08,229 and I think the entire industry knew at that time 974 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,275 that it wasn't them singing. 975 01:01:10,405 --> 01:01:11,929 That was great. 976 01:01:12,059 --> 01:01:13,844 I was actually--I was supposed to be in that number. 977 01:01:13,974 --> 01:01:16,020 I don't know what-- 978 01:01:17,151 --> 01:01:18,979 When he called out the nominees, 979 01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:21,460 you know, it was like, "Man." 980 01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:23,331 This year, the nominees for Best New Artist 981 01:01:23,462 --> 01:01:25,943 are making all kinds of music. 982 01:01:26,073 --> 01:01:28,597 Each one of them express themself in a unique way 983 01:01:28,728 --> 01:01:30,948 that commands attention. 984 01:01:31,078 --> 01:01:33,864 Now, the nominees for Best New Artist are... 985 01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:37,563 Do Rob and Fab deserve the Grammy? 986 01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:39,478 Neneh Cherry. 987 01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:41,741 That's a tough one. 988 01:01:43,003 --> 01:01:44,875 We didn't sing on the record, so... 989 01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:45,876 Indigo Girls. 990 01:01:47,138 --> 01:01:48,443 No. 991 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:50,097 But... 992 01:01:53,361 --> 01:01:54,972 Milli Vanilli. 993 01:01:55,102 --> 01:01:57,583 For the pain and everything that we suffered... 994 01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:59,237 Soul II Soul. 995 01:01:59,367 --> 01:02:01,674 And the hard work that we put into, 996 01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:03,110 do we deserve it? 997 01:02:03,241 --> 01:02:04,329 Tone Loc. 998 01:02:06,461 --> 01:02:09,987 A very small part of me says yes. 999 01:02:12,032 --> 01:02:14,339 And the Best New Artist is... 1000 01:02:14,469 --> 01:02:17,124 Rob and Fab deserved the Grammy. 1001 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:18,996 Milli Vanilli. 1002 01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:30,834 "Oh, my God." 1003 01:02:30,964 --> 01:02:33,575 Frank goes, "Now, everybody's watching." 1004 01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,154 Uh, we want to say thank you very much, 1005 01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:49,809 but we want to say there are a lot of artists 1006 01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:51,680 here in this room, 1007 01:02:51,811 --> 01:02:54,422 there are a lot of artists outside in the world 1008 01:02:54,553 --> 01:02:57,599 who could achieve the same award that we achieved today, 1009 01:02:57,730 --> 01:02:59,514 and it's an award for all artists in the world. 1010 01:02:59,645 --> 01:03:01,081 Thank you very much. 1011 01:03:02,648 --> 01:03:05,216 Thank you. 1012 01:03:05,346 --> 01:03:07,218 It was a joke that went too far. 1013 01:03:07,348 --> 01:03:10,308 And once they crossed that line into 1014 01:03:10,438 --> 01:03:14,529 something that people really care about, 1015 01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:17,445 that was the beginning of the end for Rob and Fab. 1016 01:03:19,317 --> 01:03:21,406 Once they won the Grammy... 1017 01:03:24,191 --> 01:03:27,412 Once they won the Grammy, 1018 01:03:27,542 --> 01:03:30,110 they hung they selves. 1019 01:03:43,602 --> 01:03:46,213 The afterparty for the Grammys, 1020 01:03:46,344 --> 01:03:48,563 oh, man, we were already faded. 1021 01:03:53,612 --> 01:03:56,745 I remember having to listen to Mr. Clive Davis. 1022 01:03:59,183 --> 01:04:01,402 We were so high 1023 01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:03,230 that it took a lot of energy 1024 01:04:03,361 --> 01:04:05,929 to just keep the stuff together. 1025 01:04:09,062 --> 01:04:13,284 Frankly, Rob and Fab didn't do themselves any favors. 1026 01:04:16,156 --> 01:04:19,725 They were just acting arrogant and, frankly, obnoxious. 1027 01:04:33,739 --> 01:04:36,350 "I have no time. Who's Paul McCartney?" 1028 01:04:39,571 --> 01:04:43,575 When they won, Rob and Fab were way up here, 1029 01:04:43,705 --> 01:04:45,620 these big stars that just won a Grammy. 1030 01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:46,839 And the bigger they got, 1031 01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:49,450 the more celebrity they became. 1032 01:04:51,278 --> 01:04:53,541 They had to have Avión in the limousine, 1033 01:04:53,672 --> 01:04:55,326 sushi in the dressing room. 1034 01:04:55,456 --> 01:04:58,068 They wanted for nothing. 1035 01:04:58,198 --> 01:05:00,897 The stardom made them crazy. 1036 01:05:01,027 --> 01:05:03,638 Rob said, "Oh, can you turn on my voice?" 1037 01:05:03,769 --> 01:05:06,511 And Frank said, "It's not your voice!" 1038 01:05:06,641 --> 01:05:09,296 Believe it. It's Brad Howell's voice. 1039 01:05:09,427 --> 01:05:12,996 He was singing with my voice during playback 1040 01:05:13,126 --> 01:05:15,172 and believing that's his own voice. 1041 01:05:15,302 --> 01:05:17,391 They were believing this. 1042 01:05:17,522 --> 01:05:20,438 They started to forget the reality 1043 01:05:20,568 --> 01:05:22,309 that they didn't sing. 1044 01:05:24,485 --> 01:05:26,009 So they were doing this interview one time 1045 01:05:26,139 --> 01:05:27,358 and they said they were better than The Beatles. 1046 01:05:32,537 --> 01:05:34,234 Think about waking up every day and knowing that 1047 01:05:34,365 --> 01:05:35,888 you don't sing any of the vocals, 1048 01:05:36,019 --> 01:05:37,368 and then saying you're better than The Beatles. 1049 01:05:40,110 --> 01:05:42,590 I mean, that takes, like, giant stones. 1050 01:05:42,721 --> 01:05:45,942 You've really gotta believe your own bullshit to say that. 1051 01:05:46,072 --> 01:05:49,597 They got caught up in it. 1052 01:05:49,728 --> 01:05:51,817 At that point, they thought they had the power, 1053 01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:53,645 and they did, to some degree. 1054 01:05:53,775 --> 01:05:56,039 They said, you know, "We're in control now." 1055 01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:00,521 Millions and millions of dollars were at stake 1056 01:06:00,652 --> 01:06:03,698 and people depended on them. 1057 01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:06,136 Frank depended on them. 1058 01:06:06,266 --> 01:06:08,399 Clive depended on them. 1059 01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:11,924 Everybody depended on Milli Vanilli doing their job. 1060 01:06:14,405 --> 01:06:17,408 Frank Farian was already preparing album number two, 1061 01:06:17,538 --> 01:06:19,323 "Keep On Running," and they wanted us 1062 01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:25,459 to get back to Germany to go promote the second album. 1063 01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:29,637 But Rob and Fab were done. 1064 01:06:29,768 --> 01:06:32,292 We wanted to sing. 1065 01:06:32,423 --> 01:06:34,773 We wanted to come out as singers. 1066 01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:43,173 At Arista, we had a weekly luncheon 1067 01:06:43,303 --> 01:06:46,306 in the conference room. 1068 01:06:46,437 --> 01:06:49,483 One day, Clive got a call and he walked into the kitchen. 1069 01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:54,184 And then came back out and he goes, 1070 01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:58,275 "They want to sing on the second album." 1071 01:06:58,405 --> 01:07:02,018 And I remember him saying, "That's not gonna happen." 1072 01:07:10,113 --> 01:07:12,506 "Oh, but I would like to sing." 1073 01:07:12,637 --> 01:07:14,552 "Yeah, Rob, it's impossible. 1074 01:07:14,682 --> 01:07:16,641 "You cannot sing and Fab cannot sing, 1075 01:07:16,771 --> 01:07:18,295 so please stop talking." 1076 01:07:20,427 --> 01:07:24,562 We couldn't continue to be his marionette. 1077 01:07:24,692 --> 01:07:26,520 Hey, listen. 1078 01:07:26,651 --> 01:07:28,522 Done with this. 1079 01:07:28,653 --> 01:07:31,047 So we started to lawyer up, 1080 01:07:31,177 --> 01:07:33,310 and then that's when we found out 1081 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,705 we signed a contract for multiple albums. 1082 01:07:37,836 --> 01:07:39,925 We had no clue. 1083 01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:43,929 So to get out of under the thumb of Frank Farian, 1084 01:07:44,060 --> 01:07:46,801 we played a game of cat and mouse. 1085 01:07:48,629 --> 01:07:52,155 Our MO was to hurt him. 1086 01:07:52,285 --> 01:07:55,245 Let's push him to a brink where he's gonna break, 1087 01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:57,682 and then he's gonna say, "You know what? I'm tired. 1088 01:07:57,812 --> 01:07:59,988 Go away." 1089 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:01,512 You know, we didn't show up to the video of 1090 01:08:01,642 --> 01:08:03,644 "Keep On Running." 1091 01:08:03,775 --> 01:08:07,213 And we told him, "More money. More money." 1092 01:08:07,344 --> 01:08:08,823 He's like, "No, I'm not doing that! 1093 01:08:08,954 --> 01:08:10,564 What else do you want?" 1094 01:08:18,311 --> 01:08:21,401 They told Frank, "If you don't give us 150,000, 1095 01:08:21,532 --> 01:08:23,360 "we will go to the producer and telling them that 1096 01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:25,927 we are not the guys who singing on the tape." 1097 01:08:56,567 --> 01:08:59,222 The story broke in "The Los Angeles Times" 1098 01:08:59,352 --> 01:09:00,266 and all hell broke loose. 1099 01:09:10,668 --> 01:09:12,757 Frank threw Rob and Fab under the bus. 1100 01:09:12,887 --> 01:09:16,413 ♪ I knew it from the start, you would break my heart ♪ 1101 01:09:16,543 --> 01:09:19,764 ♪ But still, I had to play this painful part ♪ 1102 01:09:19,894 --> 01:09:22,114 ♪ You wrapped me around your little bitty finger ♪ 1103 01:09:38,826 --> 01:09:40,698 He basically brushed it off and said, 1104 01:09:40,828 --> 01:09:42,047 "You know, yeah, they didn't sing..." 1105 01:09:42,178 --> 01:09:44,963 ♪ I just don't know what I should do ♪ 1106 01:09:45,093 --> 01:09:46,704 "And who cares?" 1107 01:09:52,275 --> 01:09:53,885 Very quickly after that, 1108 01:09:54,015 --> 01:09:56,496 the whole train came off the tracks. 1109 01:09:56,627 --> 01:10:03,111 ♪ It's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over ♪ 1110 01:10:03,242 --> 01:10:07,028 ♪ And I never will forget the day we met ♪ 1111 01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:08,552 ♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you 1112 01:10:12,208 --> 01:10:14,471 The pop music world's in shock tonight-- 1113 01:10:14,601 --> 01:10:15,994 With the revelation that pop duo-- 1114 01:10:16,124 --> 01:10:17,430 Milli Vanilli didn't sing. 1115 01:10:17,561 --> 01:10:19,040 So, girl, you know it's not true. 1116 01:10:19,171 --> 01:10:22,000 Well, I am shocked. 1117 01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:24,742 It was the lead-in story on all the news. 1118 01:10:24,872 --> 01:10:25,960 More embarrassment today 1119 01:10:26,091 --> 01:10:27,832 for the pop singing group Milli Vanilli. 1120 01:10:27,962 --> 01:10:32,402 Milli Vanilli turns out to be a lot of phony baloney. 1121 01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:35,535 And it didn't just hit America; 1122 01:10:35,666 --> 01:10:36,841 it hit worldwide. 1123 01:10:45,763 --> 01:10:47,765 One pop group this week has been involved in 1124 01:10:47,895 --> 01:10:49,245 a feverish controversy. 1125 01:10:49,375 --> 01:10:51,247 And then NARAS got involved. 1126 01:10:51,377 --> 01:10:53,640 There's too many doubts that have been cast now 1127 01:10:53,771 --> 01:10:56,817 for us not to go forward and try to find out the truth. 1128 01:10:56,948 --> 01:11:00,691 The credibility of the Grammy depends on it. 1129 01:11:00,821 --> 01:11:03,824 Having to give back their Grammy, 1130 01:11:03,955 --> 01:11:08,960 it's the only time that has happened in music history. 1131 01:11:10,483 --> 01:11:12,268 There was no recovering from that. 1132 01:11:12,398 --> 01:11:16,533 The only way that that could be ridden was to own it. 1133 01:11:20,624 --> 01:11:23,627 Robert Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan. 1134 01:11:28,284 --> 01:11:30,198 Come together. Come together. 1135 01:11:30,329 --> 01:11:32,157 - Come together, guys! - Right here! Right here! 1136 01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:34,899 - Right here. - Straight ahead. 1137 01:11:35,029 --> 01:11:37,423 Fabrice and me, we lived together in a project 1138 01:11:37,554 --> 01:11:40,165 with two other musicians in Munich. 1139 01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:42,559 We--we had nothing to eat. We weren't happy. 1140 01:11:42,689 --> 01:11:45,823 We wanted to be stars. We want to get up on top. 1141 01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:47,955 So suddenly, this guy gave us a chance and we took it. 1142 01:11:48,086 --> 01:11:49,522 He gave us a little bit money. 1143 01:11:49,653 --> 01:11:53,091 We were young, naive, and we believed him. 1144 01:11:53,221 --> 01:11:55,223 It was an opportunity for us. 1145 01:11:55,354 --> 01:11:58,314 We feel really, really sorry about our fans, 1146 01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:02,709 but we just hope that they understand that we were young, 1147 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,103 that we just wanted to live the life the American way. 1148 01:12:13,067 --> 01:12:14,678 Of course. Yeah. 1149 01:12:14,808 --> 01:12:16,723 You're absolutely right. I was seduced. 1150 01:12:16,854 --> 01:12:18,595 You have to understand we were seduced, 1151 01:12:18,725 --> 01:12:21,598 we were abused, and we felt very guilty, 1152 01:12:21,728 --> 01:12:22,816 and we're happy that it's over, you know? 1153 01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:25,079 We don't understand that it's us, 1154 01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:26,994 the two little guys from Germany, 1155 01:12:27,125 --> 01:12:29,257 the victims who has to play suddenly 1156 01:12:29,388 --> 01:12:31,608 the crux of a trial that we are not. 1157 01:12:39,833 --> 01:12:41,879 I will describe it like this. 1158 01:12:42,009 --> 01:12:43,359 You get something, 1159 01:12:43,489 --> 01:12:45,143 but for that, you make a pact with the devil. 1160 01:12:49,887 --> 01:12:51,628 I think you should go with this tape. 1161 01:12:51,758 --> 01:12:53,020 We give you each a tape. 1162 01:12:53,151 --> 01:12:55,022 You can take it to a scientist-- 1163 01:12:55,153 --> 01:12:57,373 But you could-- 1164 01:12:57,503 --> 01:12:58,678 OK, I demonstrate! 1165 01:12:58,809 --> 01:13:01,899 Fuck it. I do it. Let's do it. 1166 01:13:02,029 --> 01:13:05,250 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 1167 01:13:05,381 --> 01:13:09,907 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 1168 01:13:10,037 --> 01:13:12,170 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 1169 01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,520 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 1170 01:13:14,651 --> 01:13:16,827 ♪ When you crack a smile in everything you do ♪ 1171 01:13:21,614 --> 01:13:23,137 Yeah, I understand-- I really understand them. 1172 01:13:23,268 --> 01:13:24,835 I have to say I understand them. 1173 01:13:31,972 --> 01:13:34,888 - That's a good question, but-- - A lot of your fans-- 1174 01:13:35,019 --> 01:13:37,761 a lot of your fans will be very upset by the fact 1175 01:13:37,891 --> 01:13:40,981 that the only way you can explain the charade, 1176 01:13:41,112 --> 01:13:43,941 the farce, the fakery of the last year, two years, 1177 01:13:44,071 --> 01:13:46,030 is money. - It's not. 1178 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,640 This is fame-- - There's no other reason. 1179 01:13:47,771 --> 01:13:50,208 That's the only pressure that Farian put on you, 1180 01:13:50,338 --> 01:13:51,992 was financial-- - Do you live in a project? 1181 01:13:52,123 --> 01:13:53,777 Did you live in a project? 1182 01:13:53,907 --> 01:13:56,997 We had no money, we wanted to be stars. 1183 01:13:57,128 --> 01:14:00,348 We think we are talented. We love to be onstage. 1184 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,568 That's our first aim. It wasn't money. 1185 01:14:02,699 --> 01:14:05,092 If we wouldn't have accept that at the start, 1186 01:14:05,223 --> 01:14:06,877 we knew we would be still in Munich. 1187 01:14:07,007 --> 01:14:08,095 I would still work at the McDonalds. 1188 01:14:09,445 --> 01:14:10,837 OK, thank you very much. 1189 01:14:11,316 --> 01:14:12,839 Thank you very much. 1190 01:14:35,949 --> 01:14:38,299 They ate 'em up like sharks. 1191 01:14:39,475 --> 01:14:41,607 They were the town spectacle. 1192 01:14:43,914 --> 01:14:46,090 New weasel boys of the record world. 1193 01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:48,440 Did you know they were exposed for not actually appearing on 1194 01:14:48,571 --> 01:14:49,746 their Grammy-award winning record album? 1195 01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:51,269 They do not sing... 1196 01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:52,705 - Do not sing on it at all. - On their own record. 1197 01:14:52,836 --> 01:14:55,360 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, you are through ♪ 1198 01:14:57,754 --> 01:15:01,061 The response was swift and it was harsh. 1199 01:15:02,976 --> 01:15:04,804 They stopped playing on radio, 1200 01:15:04,935 --> 01:15:06,980 Arista Records took it out of circulation, 1201 01:15:07,111 --> 01:15:08,721 and then, to top it all off, 1202 01:15:08,852 --> 01:15:10,984 there were, like, two dozen class action lawsuits 1203 01:15:11,115 --> 01:15:12,899 from fans who were just pissed. 1204 01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:15,554 A California woman who bought the album for her son 1205 01:15:15,685 --> 01:15:17,338 is suing to get a refund. 1206 01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:18,731 When I listened to the music, 1207 01:15:18,862 --> 01:15:20,951 I would sort of picture them singing, 1208 01:15:21,081 --> 01:15:22,692 and that's--that's how I looked up to them. 1209 01:15:22,822 --> 01:15:25,129 They sued them for fraud and racketeering. 1210 01:15:25,259 --> 01:15:26,739 Listen carefully to this important message 1211 01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:28,219 about a pending Milli Vanilli lawsuit 1212 01:15:28,349 --> 01:15:31,135 that may affect your rights. 1213 01:15:31,265 --> 01:15:33,920 I remember being surprised by the animosity, 1214 01:15:34,051 --> 01:15:35,661 and the amount of anger behind that 1215 01:15:35,792 --> 01:15:37,750 seemed outsized for what happened. 1216 01:15:37,881 --> 01:15:39,535 I mean, Milli Vanilli, to be clear, 1217 01:15:39,665 --> 01:15:42,146 had a largely white audience, 1218 01:15:42,276 --> 01:15:45,410 so a part of the betrayal that was felt was, 1219 01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:47,107 "I can't believe I listened to these Black guys 1220 01:15:47,238 --> 01:15:48,413 singing these songs and it really wasn't them." 1221 01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:49,719 You're gonna have a movie now, 1222 01:15:49,849 --> 01:15:52,243 "The Milli Vanilli Story." Is that beautiful? 1223 01:15:52,373 --> 01:15:54,637 I play Fab, one of the dudes in Milli Vanilli. 1224 01:15:54,767 --> 01:15:58,728 - ♪ Girl, I love you - ♪ I love you 1225 01:15:58,858 --> 01:16:02,079 It was really ugly to see that sort of hostility 1226 01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:04,777 directed at Rob and Fab. 1227 01:16:04,908 --> 01:16:06,736 Rob Pilatus told "The LA Times" that 1228 01:16:06,866 --> 01:16:10,522 his family back in Germany was getting harassed as well. 1229 01:16:15,048 --> 01:16:17,181 Management was gone. 1230 01:16:17,311 --> 01:16:20,053 Label was gone. 1231 01:16:20,184 --> 01:16:22,534 No representative of a major record company 1232 01:16:22,665 --> 01:16:26,669 would discuss them with CNN on camera. 1233 01:16:26,799 --> 01:16:29,236 Frank came out of it unscathed. 1234 01:16:42,423 --> 01:16:46,036 Rob and Fab deserved to be called out, certainly. 1235 01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:48,516 But it was weird that people didn't come down on 1236 01:16:48,647 --> 01:16:51,563 Frank and Arista and Clive 1237 01:16:51,694 --> 01:16:54,305 in the way that you would think. 1238 01:16:54,435 --> 01:16:56,089 There was plausible deniability, I think, 1239 01:16:56,220 --> 01:16:57,700 for Arista, anyway. 1240 01:16:57,830 --> 01:17:00,354 I mean, it was easy for them to say, "We didn't know," 1241 01:17:00,485 --> 01:17:02,356 and nobody could prove that they knew it, 1242 01:17:02,487 --> 01:17:04,620 so they got off the hook. 1243 01:17:21,201 --> 01:17:22,725 I mean, I just know personally, 1244 01:17:22,855 --> 01:17:24,335 that we knew before the Grammys, 1245 01:17:24,465 --> 01:17:26,163 so there's no--there was no question about it. 1246 01:17:27,730 --> 01:17:29,166 Yeah, maybe six months before. 1247 01:17:34,867 --> 01:17:36,826 "Why didn't anybody from the label speak out," 1248 01:17:36,956 --> 01:17:38,479 is that what you're asking me? 1249 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:40,220 Yeah. 1250 01:17:40,351 --> 01:17:42,135 That's a-- that's a good question. 1251 01:17:42,266 --> 01:17:43,833 I mean, I can't-- 1252 01:17:46,270 --> 01:17:47,619 I have to answer truthfully, 1253 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:50,578 and I would have to say that, 1254 01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:54,365 that, yeah, I believe that Clive felt that this 1255 01:17:54,495 --> 01:17:56,497 not only wasn't good for Arista, 1256 01:17:56,628 --> 01:17:59,370 but wasn't really good for his reputation 1257 01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:01,546 and for his, you know, history. 1258 01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:07,204 The record company and industry has all of the power, 1259 01:18:07,334 --> 01:18:09,467 so they're gonna use everything they can 1260 01:18:09,597 --> 01:18:12,949 to point the direction at Rob and Fab. 1261 01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:14,907 "Don't look at, we sold these million records. 1262 01:18:15,038 --> 01:18:18,432 "Don't look at the fact that someone inside of our industry 1263 01:18:18,563 --> 01:18:21,087 "had to have known this was going on. 1264 01:18:21,218 --> 01:18:24,743 "No, it's these two guys who barely speak English. 1265 01:18:24,874 --> 01:18:26,876 It's their fault." 1266 01:18:42,065 --> 01:18:43,719 Not only did Frank have no problem 1267 01:18:43,849 --> 01:18:46,243 exploiting Rob and Fab, 1268 01:18:46,373 --> 01:18:49,899 but he also seemed to think them foolish 1269 01:18:50,029 --> 01:18:53,380 and beneath him. 1270 01:18:53,511 --> 01:18:55,861 And just like his lineage of 1271 01:18:55,992 --> 01:19:00,170 treating Black artists as disposable, 1272 01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:05,001 he chose to get what he needed and disposed of them. 1273 01:19:05,131 --> 01:19:06,350 - We regret it. - We regretted it... 1274 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:07,917 200,000 times. 1275 01:19:08,047 --> 01:19:09,614 Lying in front of my mom, 1276 01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,094 lying in front of the job. 1277 01:19:11,224 --> 01:19:12,704 - Everybody. - Lying in front of everybody. 1278 01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:15,663 They were young, just like me, 1279 01:19:15,794 --> 01:19:18,710 looking to achieve something 1280 01:19:18,841 --> 01:19:21,147 in the music branch, 1281 01:19:21,278 --> 01:19:23,280 just like me. 1282 01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:26,109 So what do you do? 1283 01:19:28,198 --> 01:19:33,072 You followed the light, but it's the wrong light. 1284 01:19:33,203 --> 01:19:36,684 At the end of the tunnel, the light goes out, 1285 01:19:36,815 --> 01:19:39,862 and what happens? 1286 01:19:39,992 --> 01:19:42,690 Don't nobody care. 1287 01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:48,653 It's just another scandal. 1288 01:19:48,784 --> 01:19:51,308 And the number one new job for Milli Vanilli, "Who cares? 1289 01:19:51,438 --> 01:19:54,137 Just as long as we don't hear from them ever again." 1290 01:20:56,286 --> 01:20:57,983 Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be 1291 01:20:58,114 --> 01:20:59,245 another twist to the story-- 1292 01:21:11,779 --> 01:21:14,739 So, you know, the thing about Frank, 1293 01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:16,436 he's always a step ahead of everybody, right? 1294 01:21:19,178 --> 01:21:21,398 He had already recorded the second record, 1295 01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:23,139 and he dropped it, 1296 01:21:23,269 --> 01:21:25,010 like, right after this whole thing blew up. 1297 01:21:28,622 --> 01:21:30,537 Frank Farian called me up and said, 1298 01:21:30,668 --> 01:21:34,063 "John, now you and Brad are gonna be stars of the show." 1299 01:21:34,193 --> 01:21:36,413 ♪ Elaborate on the microphone 1300 01:21:36,543 --> 01:21:38,284 ♪ Pumping some knowledge 'cause my brain ain't stoned ♪ 1301 01:21:38,415 --> 01:21:39,807 It's called The Real Milli Vanilli, 1302 01:21:39,938 --> 01:21:42,245 "The Moment of Truth." 1303 01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:46,205 But again, it's all another facade. 1304 01:21:46,336 --> 01:21:47,990 This guy was never in the band. 1305 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,731 He's just another guy who Frank recruited. 1306 01:21:50,862 --> 01:21:52,864 That girl had nothing to do with the first album, 1307 01:21:52,995 --> 01:21:55,084 she had nothing to do with the second album. 1308 01:21:55,214 --> 01:21:58,914 We are still on that album, Jodie and I. 1309 01:21:59,044 --> 01:22:03,222 But Frank said, no touring, no video, no being seen. 1310 01:22:03,353 --> 01:22:05,572 ♪ Listen to what he says 1311 01:22:05,703 --> 01:22:06,878 "Linda, hope you understand. 1312 01:22:07,009 --> 01:22:08,097 "I have a certain look that I want. 1313 01:22:08,227 --> 01:22:09,750 You're not Black." 1314 01:22:09,881 --> 01:22:11,709 ♪ I'm not into bragging, strutting, or bigotry ♪ 1315 01:22:11,839 --> 01:22:13,841 ♪ Or bigotry 1316 01:22:13,972 --> 01:22:16,235 Don't ask me how I felt. Well, go ahead, ask me. 1317 01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:18,063 - Yeah, how did you feel? - I felt horrible! 1318 01:22:18,194 --> 01:22:19,804 Oh, I was incensed. 1319 01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:23,764 ♪ Keep on running, baby 1320 01:22:23,895 --> 01:22:26,245 You've got to be kidding me. 1321 01:22:26,376 --> 01:22:28,682 It was almost as big a lie as the first Milli Vanilli. 1322 01:22:28,813 --> 01:22:30,467 ♪ Keep on running 1323 01:22:30,597 --> 01:22:32,817 - This was Frank's MO. - ♪ Baby 1324 01:22:32,948 --> 01:22:35,037 He already did Boney M., 1325 01:22:35,167 --> 01:22:38,736 and then Milli Vanilli, and he's like, "Hey, man, 1326 01:22:38,866 --> 01:22:40,781 this is my 'Fast and Furious 10'." 1327 01:22:40,912 --> 01:22:42,131 I'm just gonna keep making these things 1328 01:22:42,261 --> 01:22:44,263 because you love 'em," 1329 01:22:44,394 --> 01:22:47,875 so why would he change his stripes? 1330 01:22:52,271 --> 01:22:55,100 Do you know what they are doing now, Rob and Fab? 1331 01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:57,059 Well, they have a new single out-- 1332 01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:59,104 - It's not out yet. - It's not out actually. 1333 01:22:59,235 --> 01:23:00,801 They don't-- they don't have a label. 1334 01:23:00,932 --> 01:23:02,934 A lot of record companies are scared to touch them right now 1335 01:23:03,065 --> 01:23:04,980 because, well, if you know somebody can't sing, 1336 01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:06,372 why produce them? 1337 01:23:06,503 --> 01:23:09,027 So you want to sing a little bit for us? 1338 01:23:09,158 --> 01:23:11,377 Yeah, we come in here with our live band 1339 01:23:11,508 --> 01:23:12,509 and we would love to sing. 1340 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:13,814 No, how about right now? 1341 01:23:13,945 --> 01:23:15,338 Sing something off your album. 1342 01:23:15,468 --> 01:23:17,949 - Um... 1343 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,516 Some of the verse from the first single? 1344 01:23:19,646 --> 01:23:22,301 Uh, yeah, OK. 1345 01:23:22,432 --> 01:23:24,782 ♪ Girl Back together. 1346 01:23:24,912 --> 01:23:26,175 ♪ Girl 1347 01:23:26,305 --> 01:23:30,483 both: ♪ Do you want to get it on 1348 01:23:30,614 --> 01:23:34,313 ♪ Then tell me now 1349 01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:38,187 Now Rob and Fab are courageously trying to 1350 01:23:38,317 --> 01:23:40,972 make a comeback, real voices and all. 1351 01:23:41,103 --> 01:23:44,367 both: ♪ I just want to be your everything ♪ 1352 01:23:44,497 --> 01:23:46,847 For the last year, they've been working on a new album, 1353 01:23:46,978 --> 01:23:49,198 on the dance steps, and on the singing. 1354 01:23:49,328 --> 01:23:51,548 They've got a new sexy video. 1355 01:23:51,678 --> 01:23:55,508 ♪ Girl, can you tell me now 1356 01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:58,033 ♪ Straight up what's up 1357 01:23:58,163 --> 01:24:00,209 ♪ So what's a man supposed to do ♪ 1358 01:24:00,339 --> 01:24:05,431 ♪ Oh - ♪ Do you want to get it on 1359 01:24:06,998 --> 01:24:09,522 So this is the "We Can Get It On" 1360 01:24:09,653 --> 01:24:13,091 12 inch LP single by Rob & Fab. 1361 01:24:13,222 --> 01:24:15,267 They're just, like, badasses, you know? 1362 01:24:15,398 --> 01:24:17,313 They're like, "Yeah, we're hot. We know it." 1363 01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:24,146 The expectation of the record was based on curiosity alone 1364 01:24:24,276 --> 01:24:27,714 they could sell a million copies of the record. 1365 01:24:27,845 --> 01:24:32,589 But the Rob & Fab album sold 2,000 copies worldwide, 1366 01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:36,767 which is not good. 1367 01:24:36,897 --> 01:24:39,683 By the time the Rob & Fab record came out, 1368 01:24:39,813 --> 01:24:41,815 people were just not that interested 1369 01:24:41,946 --> 01:24:43,208 in the spectacle anymore. 1370 01:25:01,705 --> 01:25:08,277 That's when we... grew apart. 1371 01:25:08,407 --> 01:25:12,672 Rob was going in his own tunnel 1372 01:25:12,803 --> 01:25:15,240 and didn't want to come out, really. 1373 01:25:33,519 --> 01:25:38,263 The team Rob and Fab had fractured. 1374 01:25:38,394 --> 01:25:43,573 He didn't see me as-- as his brother anymore. 1375 01:25:43,703 --> 01:25:45,749 And that hurt. 1376 01:26:18,347 --> 01:26:20,175 Now, where have you been for the past six years? 1377 01:26:20,305 --> 01:26:22,089 Well, the past six years, I was in Los Angeles 1378 01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:23,569 undercover, you know, doing my thing. 1379 01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:25,005 You have an accent. Where are you from? 1380 01:26:25,136 --> 01:26:26,006 I'm from Paris. I'm French. 1381 01:26:26,137 --> 01:26:27,443 - From Paris. - Yeah. 1382 01:26:27,573 --> 01:26:29,096 Now, listen, you've got some new music... 1383 01:26:29,227 --> 01:26:30,576 That's true, yeah. 1384 01:26:30,707 --> 01:26:32,796 And you are actually singing on this damn thing. 1385 01:26:32,926 --> 01:26:34,624 - That's right. - Yeah. 1386 01:26:34,754 --> 01:26:36,887 Put it together for Fabrice Morvan. 1387 01:26:38,758 --> 01:26:41,718 ♪ Come on, children 1388 01:26:41,848 --> 01:26:44,373 both: ♪ If you see what I see 1389 01:26:44,503 --> 01:26:46,897 ♪ And you know what I feel 1390 01:26:47,027 --> 01:26:49,073 For me, performing was vindication. 1391 01:26:49,204 --> 01:26:52,598 both: ♪ And we'll find a solution 1392 01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:55,732 I was able to, like, blossom as a singer 1393 01:26:55,862 --> 01:26:58,169 and do what I was supposed to do in the first place. 1394 01:26:58,300 --> 01:27:04,131 ♪ Everybody, join the love revolution ♪ 1395 01:27:06,525 --> 01:27:08,135 - Lovely! - Come on. 1396 01:27:08,266 --> 01:27:09,615 - Hi, baby. - Hi. 1397 01:27:09,746 --> 01:27:12,227 Hey, listen. Do you ever see Rob anymore? 1398 01:27:12,357 --> 01:27:14,359 Well, we don't talk as much as we used to 1399 01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:15,534 because he's doing his own thing, 1400 01:27:15,665 --> 01:27:16,709 I'm doing my own thing, you know? 1401 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,276 We kind of went apart, you know? 1402 01:27:18,407 --> 01:27:20,104 Bands broke up and they do their own thing. 1403 01:27:20,235 --> 01:27:21,236 - Sure. - That's what happened. 1404 01:27:21,366 --> 01:27:22,628 You done joined the love revolution. 1405 01:27:22,759 --> 01:27:24,500 - That's right. - Where do I sign up? 1406 01:27:29,635 --> 01:27:33,770 I was at The Viper Room. 1407 01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:36,816 I was outside. 1408 01:27:36,947 --> 01:27:41,430 I see a dude stumbling across the way. 1409 01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,433 As he was falling, his body turned 1410 01:27:44,563 --> 01:27:46,826 and I looked into his eyes and I was like, 1411 01:27:46,957 --> 01:27:49,089 "Oh, my God. This is not true." 1412 01:27:51,918 --> 01:27:55,618 I'm looking at Rob Pilatus. 1413 01:27:55,748 --> 01:27:57,315 So I crossed the street, 1414 01:27:57,446 --> 01:27:58,751 I picked him up, 1415 01:27:58,882 --> 01:28:02,973 and I said, "Hey, Rob. It's Fab." 1416 01:28:04,801 --> 01:28:06,455 "Rob, it's Fab. 1417 01:28:06,585 --> 01:28:08,935 Where do you live?" 1418 01:28:09,066 --> 01:28:11,895 And then he said, "There. 1419 01:28:13,418 --> 01:28:16,116 So we ring the doorbell. 1420 01:28:16,247 --> 01:28:17,683 We're like, "Hey, we're there with Rob. 1421 01:28:17,814 --> 01:28:20,512 Like, this is where he live, yes?" 1422 01:28:20,643 --> 01:28:23,036 "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring him in. 1423 01:28:23,167 --> 01:28:24,603 "It's our boy, man. We--you know, 1424 01:28:24,734 --> 01:28:27,171 he--sometimes, he just wanders." 1425 01:28:27,302 --> 01:28:29,216 And I'm like, "Oh, that looks like 1426 01:28:29,347 --> 01:28:30,566 a crack house to me, man." 1427 01:28:32,959 --> 01:28:37,137 They were doing heavy drugs in that--in that room. 1428 01:28:39,139 --> 01:28:43,666 I'm not surprised 'cause I heard 1429 01:28:43,796 --> 01:28:46,233 that's what he's been doing for a long time. 1430 01:28:46,364 --> 01:28:49,106 But to actually see 1431 01:28:49,236 --> 01:28:52,414 my brother in the street 1432 01:28:52,544 --> 01:28:54,981 looking like this, 1433 01:28:55,112 --> 01:28:58,594 and looking back at my dude in his prime... 1434 01:29:02,772 --> 01:29:06,428 Man, it was like, "Phew." 1435 01:29:06,558 --> 01:29:09,996 I didn't know what to say. 1436 01:29:51,429 --> 01:29:53,388 What'd they do? They just pulled you over? 1437 01:29:53,518 --> 01:29:54,824 Yeah, they pulled me over, man. 1438 01:29:54,954 --> 01:29:56,303 Unfortunately. 1439 01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:10,274 He was lost. Everything had failed. 1440 01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:13,233 He had not been satisfied with anything that he'd ever done. 1441 01:31:20,953 --> 01:31:24,522 He came back from Oberberg Clinic 1442 01:31:24,653 --> 01:31:29,527 and he stayed at a hotel close to my house. 1443 01:31:29,658 --> 01:31:32,182 Next morning, 10:00, I called, no answer. 1444 01:31:32,312 --> 01:31:33,488 11:00, no answer. 1445 01:31:33,618 --> 01:31:35,272 12:00, no answer. 1446 01:31:37,187 --> 01:31:39,972 At 2:00, I said, "I'm going to the hotel right now." 1447 01:31:40,103 --> 01:31:43,976 And we go to his door 1448 01:31:44,107 --> 01:31:46,544 and the chain was from inside, 1449 01:31:46,675 --> 01:31:49,982 so the house master has to open it. 1450 01:31:52,724 --> 01:31:56,859 And--and he was laying there on--on the floor, 1451 01:31:56,989 --> 01:32:00,558 just with shorts. 1452 01:32:03,605 --> 01:32:04,910 Yeah. 1453 01:32:05,041 --> 01:32:06,521 And I was... 1454 01:32:46,865 --> 01:32:48,519 The call came in. 1455 01:32:48,650 --> 01:32:50,608 "Rob is dead." 1456 01:32:51,914 --> 01:32:54,090 I was like, "Wow." 1457 01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:58,616 And then I went into, like, a state of shock. 1458 01:32:58,747 --> 01:33:02,228 And I didn't move for a long time. 1459 01:34:23,222 --> 01:34:25,485 I lost a family member. 1460 01:34:27,879 --> 01:34:29,664 I lost a brother. 1461 01:34:33,363 --> 01:34:37,497 I lost someone that was there with me, walking in my shoes. 1462 01:34:42,154 --> 01:34:44,461 You know? 1463 01:34:48,334 --> 01:34:49,858 That's it. 1464 01:35:07,745 --> 01:35:11,880 When I went to Holland, 1465 01:35:12,010 --> 01:35:14,926 I was running away from my past. 1466 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,020 He'd introduced himself as Fabrice, 1467 01:35:22,151 --> 01:35:25,110 but I didn't know who he was. 1468 01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:29,201 He had such short hair, 1469 01:35:29,332 --> 01:35:33,118 and he has a different face when he has short hair. 1470 01:35:33,249 --> 01:35:34,816 So in the beginning, actually, when we were dating, 1471 01:35:34,946 --> 01:35:36,687 people were like, "Hey, Tessa, hey, Tessa." 1472 01:35:36,818 --> 01:35:38,558 "Hey, I'll see you tomorrow," and, you know, 1473 01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:40,169 I was the one being recognized. 1474 01:35:40,299 --> 01:35:45,348 So there was no signs that he was Milli Vanilli. 1475 01:35:47,742 --> 01:35:49,265 We had just fun together, 1476 01:35:49,395 --> 01:35:50,570 and we were working out together, 1477 01:35:50,701 --> 01:35:53,269 and we had those dates. 1478 01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:55,358 I start to really like this guy, 1479 01:35:55,488 --> 01:35:57,012 and you talk with your friends about, 1480 01:35:57,142 --> 01:36:00,319 you know, your new dating experience. 1481 01:36:00,450 --> 01:36:02,495 One of them said, "Dude, that's Milli Vanilli. 1482 01:36:02,626 --> 01:36:04,149 Hello." 1483 01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:05,585 And I was like, "Well, OK. 1484 01:36:05,716 --> 01:36:07,413 "If that's Milli Vanilli, fine, 1485 01:36:07,544 --> 01:36:09,154 because I like Fabrice, so..." 1486 01:36:12,244 --> 01:36:18,642 I didn't think she would, like, want to be with me. 1487 01:36:18,773 --> 01:36:23,038 I had to tell her, "Listen, my life is not great." 1488 01:36:23,168 --> 01:36:25,867 I was like, "Well, don't worry, you know? 1489 01:36:25,997 --> 01:36:27,564 I got you." 1490 01:36:32,656 --> 01:36:33,831 You already, Sach? 1491 01:36:33,962 --> 01:36:35,050 Drum roll. 1492 01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:37,530 One, two, and three. 1493 01:36:37,661 --> 01:36:40,446 Flip! - Oh! 1494 01:36:40,577 --> 01:36:42,709 When Sacha came, 1495 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,147 when Solange came, 1496 01:36:45,277 --> 01:36:50,587 and now Vince and Paris came, 1497 01:36:50,717 --> 01:36:53,329 then things started flourishing all around me. 1498 01:36:53,459 --> 01:36:55,157 What? - Hey, Sacha, look! 1499 01:36:55,287 --> 01:36:56,506 He's holding the bottle. 1500 01:36:56,636 --> 01:36:58,334 That's a first. 1501 01:36:58,464 --> 01:37:00,336 Look at that. - Cute. 1502 01:37:03,121 --> 01:37:05,515 It's amazing 1503 01:37:05,645 --> 01:37:08,648 to realize that there is another side 1504 01:37:08,779 --> 01:37:10,825 at the end of the tunnel. 1505 01:37:10,955 --> 01:37:12,652 - Together. - Together? 1506 01:37:12,783 --> 01:37:16,004 - Pink. - You want pink? OK. 1507 01:37:16,134 --> 01:37:18,354 It changed everything for me, 1508 01:37:18,484 --> 01:37:20,573 and that part was like, "Hey..." 1509 01:37:20,704 --> 01:37:22,227 Well done, Sach. 1510 01:37:22,358 --> 01:37:25,927 "You don't have to be ashamed about nothing." 1511 01:37:33,935 --> 01:37:35,371 Because of the way human beings and 1512 01:37:35,501 --> 01:37:38,548 their minds are built, 1513 01:37:38,678 --> 01:37:43,814 Milli Vanilli's legacy is they deceived the public 1514 01:37:43,945 --> 01:37:47,731 and tried to get away with it, and then they didn't. 1515 01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:51,866 But what it should be is a cautionary tale. 1516 01:37:55,173 --> 01:37:58,133 All of the answers about how pop music is made 1517 01:37:58,263 --> 01:38:02,006 rest in this story. 1518 01:38:02,137 --> 01:38:06,054 What we want to believe our pop musicians to be 1519 01:38:06,184 --> 01:38:07,446 versus what they actually are. 1520 01:38:11,537 --> 01:38:16,716 Show business is all part of an illusion. 1521 01:38:16,847 --> 01:38:20,068 But that is what pop music is supposed to do. 1522 01:38:20,198 --> 01:38:22,809 It's supposed to take us to an elsewhere. 1523 01:38:25,464 --> 01:38:29,033 Even if we say, "These people deceived the public," 1524 01:38:29,164 --> 01:38:30,687 so fucking what? 1525 01:38:32,863 --> 01:38:34,299 Who was this harming? 1526 01:38:39,174 --> 01:38:42,481 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 1527 01:38:42,612 --> 01:38:44,919 I've met people that told me, 1528 01:38:45,049 --> 01:38:47,486 "Because of your voice, 1529 01:38:47,617 --> 01:38:49,924 my daughter's here today." 1530 01:38:51,621 --> 01:38:55,016 It was such a big thing for a lot of people. 1531 01:38:55,146 --> 01:38:59,063 So many people went to their high school prom with that. 1532 01:38:59,194 --> 01:39:01,892 That was good music, 1533 01:39:02,023 --> 01:39:03,546 and it's good music today. 1534 01:39:05,896 --> 01:39:08,116 There's no real crime here, 1535 01:39:08,246 --> 01:39:09,247 if we're being honest. 1536 01:39:12,990 --> 01:39:14,861 But it cost a life. 1537 01:39:18,517 --> 01:39:23,392 It also cost both of them lives that they could have had. 1538 01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:32,140 And the heartbreaking thing is that their legacy then became 1539 01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:34,403 that of a punch line. 1540 01:39:42,324 --> 01:39:48,373 There was a time when I would avoid going in public 1541 01:39:48,504 --> 01:39:53,683 because when I heard someone laugh, 1542 01:39:53,813 --> 01:39:56,729 I always thought it was directed to me. 1543 01:40:00,429 --> 01:40:05,651 But now I've reached a point where I've embraced the past. 1544 01:40:09,003 --> 01:40:12,876 I'm proud of being Milli Vanilli. 1545 01:40:13,007 --> 01:40:15,531 I'm proud of being who I am. 1546 01:40:23,626 --> 01:40:26,672 We're going back down memory lane with some more. 1547 01:40:29,066 --> 01:40:31,503 ♪ Woo 1548 01:40:33,723 --> 01:40:36,117 ♪ Got to blame it on something ♪ 1549 01:40:36,247 --> 01:40:39,598 ♪ Got to blame it on something, come on ♪ 1550 01:40:39,729 --> 01:40:44,560 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 1551 01:40:44,690 --> 01:40:49,695 ♪ Blame it on the stars that didn't shine that night ♪ 1552 01:40:49,826 --> 01:40:54,744 ♪ Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you ♪ 1553 01:40:54,874 --> 01:40:58,487 ♪ Blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah ♪ 1554 01:40:58,617 --> 01:41:00,532 When people think of Milli Vanilli... 1555 01:41:00,663 --> 01:41:02,143 ♪ You can blame it on the rain ♪ 1556 01:41:02,273 --> 01:41:04,580 The one thing I want people to think of is that 1557 01:41:04,710 --> 01:41:05,755 when you fall... 1558 01:41:05,885 --> 01:41:07,235 ♪ And the rain don't care 1559 01:41:07,365 --> 01:41:08,758 You can stand back up. 1560 01:41:08,888 --> 01:41:12,066 ♪ You got to blame it on something ♪ 1561 01:41:12,196 --> 01:41:14,068 ♪ Blame it on the rain 1562 01:41:14,198 --> 01:41:18,507 And Rob is part of that. 1563 01:41:18,637 --> 01:41:22,380 I am honoring his name every time I perform onstage. 1564 01:41:22,511 --> 01:41:26,689 ♪ Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you ♪ 1565 01:41:26,819 --> 01:41:29,953 You fall, you stand back up, and you reinvent yourself. 1566 01:41:30,084 --> 01:41:34,523 ♪ Yeah, yeah 1567 01:41:34,653 --> 01:41:37,091 That's the legacy. 1568 01:41:37,221 --> 01:41:42,052 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 1569 01:41:42,183 --> 01:41:44,272 crowd: ♪ Blame it on the stars 1570 01:41:44,402 --> 01:41:47,057 ♪ That didn't shine that night ♪ 1571 01:41:47,188 --> 01:41:52,280 ♪ Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you ♪ 1572 01:41:52,410 --> 01:41:55,805 ♪ Blame it on the rain 1573 01:41:55,935 --> 01:42:01,115 ♪ Yeah, yeah 1574 01:42:32,668 --> 01:42:34,887 ♪ Baby, don't be shy when you're holding my hand ♪ 1575 01:42:35,018 --> 01:42:37,194 ♪ 'Cause as time goes by, you got to understand ♪ 1576 01:42:37,325 --> 01:42:38,978 ♪ It's you 1577 01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:41,981 ♪ That it's with you 1578 01:42:42,112 --> 01:42:44,636 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes I see it so clearly ♪ 1579 01:42:44,767 --> 01:42:47,987 ♪ That our love is so strong and you never go wrong ♪ 1580 01:42:48,118 --> 01:42:51,687 - ♪ Baby - ♪ I did the best for you 1581 01:42:51,817 --> 01:42:54,080 ♪ So when you're in doubt and you're needing someone ♪ 1582 01:42:54,211 --> 01:42:57,562 ♪ Baby, call my line, call me anytime ♪ 1583 01:42:57,693 --> 01:42:59,825 - ♪ Baby - ♪ I'll be there for you 1584 01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:07,137 ♪ I've been searching high - ♪ High 1585 01:43:07,268 --> 01:43:09,444 ♪ I've been searching low 1586 01:43:11,228 --> 01:43:12,490 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1587 01:43:12,621 --> 01:43:16,277 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1588 01:43:16,407 --> 01:43:20,803 ♪ Don't forget my number 1589 01:43:20,933 --> 01:43:26,069 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba baby ♪ 1590 01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:30,378 ♪ Love is stronger than thunder ♪ 1591 01:43:30,508 --> 01:43:35,296 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba baby ♪ 1592 01:43:35,426 --> 01:43:40,170 ♪ Don't forget my number 1593 01:43:40,301 --> 01:43:44,566 ♪ Love will see you through 1594 01:43:44,696 --> 01:43:49,223 ♪ I've been searching high 1595 01:43:49,353 --> 01:43:54,793 ♪ I've been searching low 1596 01:43:54,924 --> 01:43:58,014 ♪ Want to spend my life 1597 01:43:58,144 --> 01:44:02,018 ♪ With you 1598 01:44:02,148 --> 01:44:04,325 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1599 01:44:04,455 --> 01:44:06,849 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1600 01:44:06,979 --> 01:44:09,199 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1601 01:44:09,330 --> 01:44:11,549 ♪ And I dance with you 1602 01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,943 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1603 01:44:14,073 --> 01:44:16,337 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1604 01:44:16,467 --> 01:44:18,556 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1605 01:44:18,687 --> 01:44:22,386 ♪ Love will see you through 1606 01:44:22,517 --> 01:44:24,867 ♪ Ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes I can it so good ♪ 1607 01:44:24,997 --> 01:44:28,436 ♪ That our love is so strong and you never go wrong ♪ 1608 01:44:28,566 --> 01:44:32,048 - ♪ Baby - ♪ I do my best for you 1609 01:44:32,178 --> 01:44:34,398 ♪ So when you're in doubt and you're needing someone ♪ 1610 01:44:34,529 --> 01:44:38,010 ♪ Baby, call my line, call me anytime ♪ 1611 01:44:38,141 --> 01:44:40,143 - ♪ Baby - ♪ I'll be there for you 1612 01:44:40,274 --> 01:44:42,493 ♪ You, you 1613 01:44:42,624 --> 01:44:47,411 ♪ I've been searching high - ♪ High 1614 01:44:47,542 --> 01:44:51,633 - ♪ I've been searching low - ♪ Low 1615 01:44:51,763 --> 01:44:52,634 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1616 01:44:52,764 --> 01:44:56,681 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1617 01:44:56,812 --> 01:45:01,077 ♪ Don't forget my number 1618 01:45:01,207 --> 01:45:02,426 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1619 01:45:02,557 --> 01:45:06,343 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1620 01:45:06,474 --> 01:45:10,565 ♪ Love is stronger than thunder ♪ 1621 01:45:10,695 --> 01:45:11,914 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1622 01:45:12,044 --> 01:45:15,874 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1623 01:45:16,005 --> 01:45:20,488 ♪ Don't forget my number 1624 01:45:20,618 --> 01:45:24,796 ♪ Love will see you through 1625 01:45:24,927 --> 01:45:27,799 ♪ I've been searching high 1626 01:45:29,671 --> 01:45:35,198 ♪ I've been searching low 1627 01:45:35,329 --> 01:45:38,375 ♪ Want to spend my life 1628 01:45:38,506 --> 01:45:42,423 ♪ With you 1629 01:45:42,553 --> 01:45:44,773 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1630 01:45:44,903 --> 01:45:47,123 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1631 01:45:47,253 --> 01:45:49,081 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1632 01:45:49,212 --> 01:45:53,477 ♪ Love will see you through 1633 01:45:53,608 --> 01:45:57,960 ♪ [vocalizing] 1634 01:45:58,090 --> 01:46:00,354 ♪ Baby, call my line, baby, call my line ♪ 1635 01:46:00,484 --> 01:46:02,704 ♪ [vocalizing] 1636 01:46:02,834 --> 01:46:05,271 ♪ Call me anytime 1637 01:46:05,402 --> 01:46:06,838 ♪ [vocalizing] 1638 01:46:06,969 --> 01:46:10,842 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1639 01:46:10,973 --> 01:46:15,543 ♪ Don't forget my number 1640 01:46:15,673 --> 01:46:18,459 ♪ Love will see you through 1641 01:46:18,589 --> 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