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♪ MTV
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We shouldn't concentrate too
much on superstar, you know?
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It's a very dangerous thing
to talk about.
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I know--I know a lot
of superstars...
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- Yeah.
- And I look back
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and I see--I don't see them
now, you know?
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So the same could
happen with us.
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♪ Girl, you know it,
girl, you know it ♪
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♪ Girl, you know it's true
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Milli Vanilli,
the striking European duo,
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has made it big in America.
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First album went six times
platinum in 1989.
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It's quite a weird story.
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One minute,
Milli Vanilli were there...
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- Milli Vanilli.
- Milli Vanilli.
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- Milli--
- Milli--
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- Milli--
- Vanilli!
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And the next minute,
they weren't.
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New weasel boys of
the record world.
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Everybody participated,
but they were the scapegoats.
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Record companies are oddly
silent on the whole issue.
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People don't understand
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the machine that is
underneath a pop act.
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We want to say thank you
to our producer.
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The evil genius,
I guess we could call him.
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If it wasn't for him,
this would not even take place.
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You get something,
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but for that, you make
a pact with the devil.
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Imagine you have everything...
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The fame, the fortune.
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They were in a dream.
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And suddenly,
everybody turns against you
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and you have nothing. Overnight.
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How do you handle that?
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It cost them everything.
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There is not another story
like this
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in pop music history.
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It's been a while.
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Oh!
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Yeah, man, we were
young and fresh, man.
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That's a normal tank top but
I think he just pulled on it.
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You know, I mean,
we were fashion forward.
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That was a big show in Germany.
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Yeah, that was a cool vibe.
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Hmm.
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You know, Rob Pilatus doesn't
look right in this photo.
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I can see the decline.
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'Cause that's not
what Rob looked like
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or was supposed to look like.
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He was extremely strong,
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but you can tell that
life took a toll on him.
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Becoming friends
was inevitable.
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I grew up in Paris.
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When I turned 18,
I went to Munich, Germany,
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ran out of money,
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ended up being homeless for
a couple weeks.
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It was cold so I had to
sleep in the train station,
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but I was able to
get some jobs
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teaching classes
with dance school,
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'cause that was my background
in Paris.
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And then one day,
I went to a party in Munich
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and there he was,
Mr. Rob Pilatus.
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He was a break-dancer.
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He was onstage
doing the helicopter.
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At the end,
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when everybody gave him
his props and everything,
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he saw me and he was like,
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"Who the hell are you?
That's my turf!"
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Because there were not
many Black people
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in Munich at the time.
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Rob and I were the only
dark-skinned people.
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There were none.
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Rob was older than me
by two years.
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He had an infectious laugh--
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Like, really loud, you know?
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I was socially awkward.
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You know, I was shy and
I was not fluent in German.
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It was like big brother,
little brother.
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He became my best friend.
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But I felt like there was
something inside of him
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that was--that was missing.
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Every time we talked about
that period of his life,
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it was kind of like taboo,
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but I understood his pain.
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Growing up, my family
was so dysfunctional.
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It was an abusive environment,
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and I ran away.
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So, just like me,
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he was looking for a family.
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We moved in together in
an attic of a friend of his.
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Rob would take the bed,
I would take the sofa.
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But there was, like,
a stereo system,
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and that thing was on all day.
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Music always
pulled us together.
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We both liked dancing,
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we were very social people,
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so we started throwing
parties together.
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And they were packed.
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The girls were beautiful.
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You know, we had a DJ,
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and we brought the vibe.
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You know, a circle
would be happening.
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Rob doing break dancing,
and when he was done,
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I would come in
and I would pop, lock,
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bam, bam, bam!
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And it brought
a lot of attention.
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So we started doing shows
in this club, Piantz.
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We loved to entertain
people, like,
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make people like, "Aw, yeah!"
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We loved that energy,
that roar,
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and we wanna do more of this.
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And the dream was to do
what we did in the club,
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sing, perform, live the life,
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to become the biggest pop stars
in the world!
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♪ Hot girl, hot girl
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♪ I'm satisfaction, baby
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♪ Hot girl, hot girl
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We started dancing
for this TV show.
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♪ Hot girl
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We danced behind pop stars
of the '80s.
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We ended up modeling as well.
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We did some catalog.
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We were making a lot of noise
in Munich at that time,
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but it was like, how do
we get to the next level?
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In order to become pop stars,
we had to have the look,
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so we had to study
what makes a superstar.
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And one thing we noticed was
the hair.
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I know Elvis' hair.
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I know Bob Marley's hair.
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Marilyn Monroe.
Michael Jackson.
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You could put, like, a shadow,
and you knew who that was.
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We were like,
"Hell yeah, we're doing this."
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And the hair came...
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Like that.
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Hoo!
The reactions were amazing.
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Every time we went to
the clubs,
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girls loved the hair,
loved the clothing--
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they loved Rob and Fab.
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♪ Go to the dance floor,
dansez ♪
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♪ Voulez vous, dansez
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We put a band together,
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Empire Bizarre...
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♪ Hey
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And we played a few gigs.
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We gave tapes to people.
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We knew we were gonna be big.
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♪ Dansez
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Since we were
spreading the word
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of us getting into
the music industry,
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we were starting to
get approached by people.
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So one day, this guy came to
Rob and said, "Hey, you know,
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we're gonna connect you with
Frank Farian."
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Rob played cool to the dude,
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but to me, he was like,
"Oh, my God!
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Oh, Frank Farian!
You know this?" I didn't know.
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Rob told me,
"Hey, Frank Farian,
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he did Boney M."
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I was like,
"Oh, wow, that's--that's big"
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because Boney M., obviously,
was a huge group.
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♪ There lived a certain man
in Russia long ago ♪
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♪ He was big and strong,
in his eyes a flaming glow ♪
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Boney M. were a big hit
disco group in the '70s...
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Boney M.!
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- And they were huge worldwide.
- Huge!
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♪ He could preach the Bible
like a preacher ♪
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♪ Full of ecstasy
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Boney M. sold 80 million records.
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They had a number of
number one hits.
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"Rivers of Babylon."
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- "Daddy Cool."
- "Sunny."
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I love the song "Ma Baker."
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Ra, ra, Rasputin.
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♪ Ra, ra, Rasputin,
lover of the Russian queen ♪
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A bananas song
and it's about Rasputin.
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Mysterious figure
in czarist Russia.
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When you watch video
of Boney M.
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and you see Bobby Farrell,
you're like,
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"Wow, that dude is awesome."
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It was on the radio,
at parties.
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Boney M. made music that
you could dance to
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and get drunk to and have fun.
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But how did you four people
get together to form Boney M.?
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Well, it all came about from
our producer Frank Farian.
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If you work with
Frank Farian,
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that's a high level guy.
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We realized that this could be
the one we've been waiting for,
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so we went to Frankfurt.
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Frank Farian's
compound was huge.
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And when they opened the door,
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we were greeted by all those
gold records on the wall,
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and it was amazing.
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It was the kind of stuff that
you saw with Quincy Jones.
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100 tracks, Neve console, microphones.
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It was incredible!
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Frank and his secretary,
Ingrid Segieth,
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they said,
"We're working on a project
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and we're thinking that
you could be good for it,"
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if we were interested.
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Hell, yeah, we were interested.
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Ingrid brought in
the recording contract,
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and we never really
attempted to read it.
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We were not trying to say no
to this powerful producer.
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Also, we would get, like,
1,500 deutschmark each,
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and we were like,
"Oh, hell yeah. Where? OK."
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When we signed that contract,
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we toasted.
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We were, like, breaking bread.
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But then Frank leaned over
to Rob and told him,
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"Don't fuck with me.
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Don't ever fuck with me."
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Several months went by.
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They never gave us
any information.
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That was driving us crazy.
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Like, why don't
they tell us, like,
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a date where we can come
to do the vocals,
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or like, when do
we get started?
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Finally, Ingrid called.
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"Come to studio.
It's gonna be good."
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Oh, man, we were pumped.
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We went straight to
the studio.
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And then once everyone is
in the room,
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he plays a tune.
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I couldn't believe that
this music was for us.
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I saw colors.
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I saw us onstage
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singing in front of a crowd.
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And then when
the music stopped...
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It was like, wow.
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You could still
hear those bells--
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ding, ding, ding, ding.
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He turned, and then,
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you know, "folgen Sie mir."
You know, "follow me."
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It felt serious.
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And then we end up
in this dark room.
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Rob and Frank start talking
really fast in German,
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so I can't really understand everything,
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but I can tell, like,
it's getting intense.
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Like, they raise their voices.
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Rob is looking at me with
his green eyes.
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Like, he looks pissed.
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Frank leaves and screams,
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and then Rob turns to me, saying,
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"They don't want us to sing
on this record."
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And I'm like, like--
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So, I'm trying to speak.
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I'm trying to talk to him
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and trying to get
as much information,
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but he was like,
"Just wait, wait.
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"They don't want us to sing!
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They want us to
lip-sync the song."
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I'm like, "What?"
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Why in the hell?
Like, he's playing us a song.
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I'm trying to understand,
like, what do you mean?
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I don't get it.
255
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And that's where I--I--
I black out.
256
00:16:37,170 --> 00:16:38,998
I remember thinking,
"This is weird.
257
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Like, we don't want to
lip-sync."
258
00:16:41,913 --> 00:16:46,092
That's when Ingrid
gave us the options.
259
00:16:48,181 --> 00:16:52,446
What she conveyed to us
clearly is that
260
00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:56,493
we signed the contract,
we got money--
261
00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:59,670
if we didn't want to
take part,
262
00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:02,151
we have to pay them back.
263
00:17:02,282 --> 00:17:04,023
But Ingrid said,
264
00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:07,156
"It's not just the advance
that we paid you,
265
00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:08,853
"but also all the money that
we gave you
266
00:17:08,984 --> 00:17:11,334
through the months."
267
00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:13,771
We developed a debt
towards Frank Farian.
268
00:17:16,339 --> 00:17:18,950
We were scared as hell.
269
00:17:19,081 --> 00:17:22,302
I was 21 years old
and Rob was 24.
270
00:17:26,001 --> 00:17:28,569
We had nowhere to go.
271
00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:31,485
So we thought,
OK, it's one song.
272
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You do that and you're out.
273
00:17:50,547 --> 00:17:53,507
♪ Sunny
274
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♪ Yesterday, my life was
filled with rain ♪
275
00:17:58,425 --> 00:18:01,167
♪ Sunny
276
00:18:01,297 --> 00:18:05,954
♪ You smiled at me and
really eased the pain ♪
277
00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:07,347
♪ Sunny
278
00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:19,272
Hold on.
279
00:18:19,402 --> 00:18:22,492
I should not be so funny.
280
00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:24,842
Serious.
281
00:18:28,019 --> 00:18:29,934
This is serious.
282
00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:32,415
Thank you, schatzi.
283
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Interview, "Milli."
Take one.
284
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Camera A and B, mark.
285
00:18:37,594 --> 00:18:39,988
I've heard that
the name Milli Vanilli
286
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,729
is because of you.
287
00:18:41,859 --> 00:18:43,078
- Oh.
- Is that true?
288
00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:44,427
That's true.
289
00:18:46,777 --> 00:18:48,605
I was Frank's girlfriend.
290
00:19:01,749 --> 00:19:04,752
I wrote the checks because
I was the financial controller
291
00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:07,189
of Frank's company.
292
00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:14,675
When they came into
the studio,
293
00:19:14,805 --> 00:19:17,068
they looked fantastic.
294
00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,941
I never saw people like that
so well-dressed
295
00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:21,856
and good-looking and braids,
296
00:19:21,986 --> 00:19:24,424
and Rob's eyes, green--
297
00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:26,165
You couldn't stop
looking at him.
298
00:19:41,397 --> 00:19:44,444
But they were
such good dancers.
299
00:19:55,498 --> 00:19:57,761
Frank needed American singer
like me.
300
00:19:57,892 --> 00:19:59,154
He said,
"I'm gonna make a project
301
00:19:59,285 --> 00:20:01,112
and you'll be the lead singer."
302
00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:02,636
I said, "OK, let's do it."
303
00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:10,252
I'm from Houston, Texas.
304
00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:12,080
Frank says,
"I have a new project.
305
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,386
Can you rap it?"
306
00:20:13,516 --> 00:20:16,258
He wrote me a check
for $12,000.
307
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,391
Just keep your mouth shut.
308
00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:21,568
Frank said, "Linda, we're
gonna need backing vocalists."
309
00:20:21,698 --> 00:20:23,396
So I brought in
my twin sister Jodie.
310
00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,136
And I looked at her, I said,
"If this is 'oohs' and 'ahs'
311
00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:27,138
and 'I love you,'
I'm gonna shoot you."
312
00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:28,488
I said, "Shut up."
313
00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:30,185
He hits it, he says,
"I want you to sing this."
314
00:20:30,316 --> 00:20:31,969
both: ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh
315
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:32,883
- ♪ I love you
- I said, "Don't say it!"
316
00:20:42,371 --> 00:20:46,157
The song is ready,
and the two guys--perfect.
317
00:20:49,596 --> 00:20:51,511
When they're told
they're gonna lip-sync,
318
00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:52,990
what's their reaction?
319
00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:54,601
No problem at all.
320
00:20:54,731 --> 00:20:58,561
They agreed and said,
"OK, when can we start?"
321
00:20:58,692 --> 00:21:01,129
It was never an--an--
an argument.
322
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,697
Never ever. Never!
323
00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:06,787
So you didn't have to
convince them to lip-sync?
324
00:21:06,917 --> 00:21:08,571
No! Why?
325
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,836
They want to have success and...
326
00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:24,544
Was there ever
a point you said,
327
00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:26,937
give us the advance back
that we gave you.
328
00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:28,330
Gosh.
No.
329
00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:29,592
- No?
- No.
330
00:21:29,723 --> 00:21:31,638
- You didn't ask--
- No, no, no.
331
00:21:31,768 --> 00:21:36,382
This is not Frank's art--
artwork, yeah.
332
00:21:36,512 --> 00:21:38,906
If they would refuse,
they can go back to Munich
333
00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:40,560
and can...
334
00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:42,126
go for...
335
00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:44,781
or something like that.
336
00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:54,008
Well, I, uh...
337
00:21:54,138 --> 00:21:59,579
The first time I went to share
my side, uh,
338
00:21:59,709 --> 00:22:01,015
I was young.
339
00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:04,366
And if you're a young artist,
340
00:22:04,497 --> 00:22:08,805
you can only tell what
they want you to tell.
341
00:22:08,936 --> 00:22:11,417
But now, fuck it.
342
00:22:13,244 --> 00:22:15,899
I ain't keeping
my mouth shut for nobody.
343
00:22:17,988 --> 00:22:22,515
Frank Farian, he was just a--
344
00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:28,303
a genius of his art
of making money.
345
00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:31,915
He knew exactly
what he was doing.
346
00:22:32,046 --> 00:22:34,353
You know,
it's not the first time.
347
00:22:34,483 --> 00:22:36,833
The same game was played with
Boney M.
348
00:22:40,576 --> 00:22:44,406
Bobby was not a singer.
349
00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:45,625
He was a dancer.
350
00:22:48,628 --> 00:22:50,107
He was a dancer.
351
00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:58,812
And who sung?
352
00:22:58,942 --> 00:22:59,900
Frank.
353
00:23:05,471 --> 00:23:08,169
And it sold
354
00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:10,040
how many platinums,
how many golds,
355
00:23:10,171 --> 00:23:11,215
you know what I'm saying?
356
00:23:19,615 --> 00:23:22,966
You're looking at him as
a producer
357
00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:26,753
that made most his money
on Black artists,
358
00:23:26,883 --> 00:23:28,798
and it worked.
359
00:23:28,929 --> 00:23:30,539
Then years later, he came back
360
00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:33,716
and did it again
with Milli Vanilli.
361
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:39,374
He took my voice,
362
00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:43,596
he took their faces,
363
00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:46,947
he put the project together,
364
00:23:47,077 --> 00:23:50,167
he put it on the market,
365
00:23:50,298 --> 00:23:52,518
and he got rich off it.
366
00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:00,047
Milli Vanilli was delivered
by Frank Farian,
367
00:24:00,177 --> 00:24:02,876
and we were the distributor.
368
00:24:03,006 --> 00:24:07,489
We only saw the pictures of
the both guys and the song.
369
00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:11,406
Was nice-looking guys.
370
00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:14,322
Internationally, they could be
sold because they were colored
371
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,716
and everything was--every--
it fits together.
372
00:24:16,846 --> 00:24:18,935
The product was great.
The music was great.
373
00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:21,416
The whole project is fantastic.
374
00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:26,726
No, we didn't know it.
375
00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,641
I got tapes where--
376
00:24:28,771 --> 00:24:34,298
me, I was told that
it's Rob and Fab singing.
377
00:24:39,782 --> 00:24:41,218
One day,
we're at a friend's house
378
00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:43,917
watching "Formel Eins,"
this TV show...
379
00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:48,965
And then we see
Milli Vanilli.
380
00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:52,012
Milli Vanilli,
"Girl You Know It's True."
381
00:24:52,142 --> 00:24:55,450
Our name on television
on "Formel Eins."
382
00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:57,452
We used to dance
behind the stars
383
00:24:57,583 --> 00:24:59,280
who would come on this show,
384
00:24:59,410 --> 00:25:02,501
and suddenly,
we're in the charts.
385
00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:04,285
I mean, we went crazy.
386
00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:07,462
Running, like,
we even broke stuff.
387
00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:10,160
The song starts to blow up,
388
00:25:10,291 --> 00:25:12,380
and it happens so fast.
389
00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:14,469
Like, every week,
it was going up.
390
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,949
Boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom, boom,
391
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,995
boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, pow!
392
00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,562
And the song just takes off.
393
00:25:20,693 --> 00:25:21,955
It becomes a huge hit
in Germany.
394
00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:28,831
Nobody knew
it was gonna be a hit.
395
00:25:28,962 --> 00:25:30,529
Not even Frank.
396
00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:32,792
But once he's seen
it was rising,
397
00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,316
then he started putting
more promotion into it.
398
00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:37,231
Suddenly,
we were in "Bravo,"
399
00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:41,583
a youth magazine in Germany,
selling millions every week.
400
00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:43,977
People that were not
taking us seriously
401
00:25:44,107 --> 00:25:46,936
were suddenly like, "Hey."
402
00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:49,460
And now it's going through Europe.
403
00:25:49,591 --> 00:25:52,768
So we travel up and down Europe
on television.
404
00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:55,728
We were nervous.
405
00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:57,468
"Can you drop your mic
a little bit?"
406
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:58,948
No, I'm gonna keep it there.
407
00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:04,824
But nervousness translated
into excitement.
408
00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:12,179
A minute ago,
we didn't want to do this,
409
00:26:12,309 --> 00:26:15,095
but now, we want more.
410
00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:16,836
We were so pumped.
411
00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:19,708
You're in Italy,
you're in Spain,
412
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:21,492
you're in Holland.
413
00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,712
And then all of a sudden,
it hits the States.
414
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,845
Bam.
415
00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:33,679
♪ I'm in love with you, girl,
'cause you're on my mind ♪
416
00:26:33,809 --> 00:26:36,072
♪ You're the one I think about
most every time ♪
417
00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,771
♪ And when you pack a smile
in everything you do ♪
418
00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:40,903
♪ Don't you understand, girl,
this love is true ♪
419
00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:44,385
They came in,
braids swinging...
420
00:26:44,515 --> 00:26:46,430
Chest bumping...
421
00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:48,432
with tights on.
422
00:26:48,563 --> 00:26:52,001
It was two Black dudes
with dreads coming into pop.
423
00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:55,004
That alone was
the shock factor.
424
00:26:55,135 --> 00:26:58,486
♪ Girl, you know it's true
425
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:01,881
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you
426
00:27:02,011 --> 00:27:04,666
The hair and the bandannas
and the shoulder pads.
427
00:27:04,797 --> 00:27:06,581
♪ Yes, you know it's true
428
00:27:06,712 --> 00:27:08,496
It was a totally
different style.
429
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:10,977
both:
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you
430
00:27:11,107 --> 00:27:12,674
- That's all we knew.
- They had it all.
431
00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:14,589
Like, their visuals were
on point.
432
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,460
I mean, they were
just eye candy.
433
00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:19,246
It was yummy, yummy, yummy.
434
00:27:22,597 --> 00:27:24,294
"Girl You Know It's True"
becomes the number two hit
435
00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:25,818
in the United States.
436
00:27:25,948 --> 00:27:27,210
"Girl You Know It's True,"
number two.
437
00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:30,213
Oh, my God.
438
00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:34,565
It became a top five hit in
23 countries around the world.
439
00:27:34,696 --> 00:27:37,743
That's Michael Jackson
level success.
440
00:27:37,873 --> 00:27:39,222
Ah!
441
00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,530
Great music, it just rises.
442
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:46,403
When those special ones come,
they come.
443
00:27:46,534 --> 00:27:49,711
As much as it wasn't
the right thing to do,
444
00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:52,192
the power of
"Girl You Know It's True"...
445
00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:53,889
♪ I'm so in love, girl
446
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,021
Was pulling on us.
447
00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:56,500
♪ I'm so in love, girl
448
00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:02,419
This energy, this hype...
- Do you want to party?
449
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:05,509
The love...
450
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,948
So from that point on,
451
00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:11,820
we embraced the lie.
452
00:28:40,544 --> 00:28:42,372
- What's up?
- Running.
453
00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:44,461
Yeah.
454
00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:47,203
Number one.
455
00:28:47,334 --> 00:28:48,378
Every time we were
around people
456
00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:49,684
or, like, taking pictures...
457
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:50,903
OK.
458
00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,558
We knew,
you know, you know.
459
00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:56,082
They don't know.
Do they know? I don't know.
460
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,610
But it was too difficult to
say no to this new life.
461
00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:10,270
"Girl You Know It's True"
just unveiled the beast in us.
462
00:29:16,189 --> 00:29:17,320
Yeah.
463
00:29:23,544 --> 00:29:25,546
We came from nothing
and now we were tasting
464
00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:27,678
this pop star life.
465
00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:30,420
To be adored, to be loved,
466
00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:33,510
that became very addictive.
467
00:29:56,533 --> 00:29:58,274
I was nervous.
468
00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:04,193
Being caught was something that
was always, always very aware.
469
00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:06,674
So, when will we have
your LP?
470
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:09,459
Gonna come out in two weeks.
471
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:14,290
It's just like very pop
dance orientated music.
472
00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:16,379
Are you ready here?
473
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:22,559
For us, it was a surprise
that it developed immediately.
474
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:24,953
It was worthwhile thinking
about what you can do.
475
00:30:25,084 --> 00:30:28,174
Do we need an album?
Yes, we need an album.
476
00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,090
Do we need a second single?
Yes, we need a second single.
477
00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:39,359
I get the call.
478
00:30:39,489 --> 00:30:40,795
"Frank needs to talk to you."
479
00:30:42,449 --> 00:30:44,973
So I goes up to the studio,
480
00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:48,411
Ingrid opened the door,
I go in.
481
00:30:48,542 --> 00:30:49,412
Sit in the kitchen and wait.
482
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,985
He came out--took his time,
fixed him a coffee--
483
00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,596
and then he said,
484
00:30:59,727 --> 00:31:02,512
"I told you,
keep your mouth shut."
485
00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:10,129
He says to me, um,
"They found out in Munich,
486
00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:12,522
"from your promotion manager
or whoever,
487
00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:15,786
"that you're the voice.
488
00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:17,614
Don't want to
see you here anymore."
489
00:31:17,745 --> 00:31:19,442
We didn't talk anymore.
490
00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:23,403
That's it.
491
00:31:23,533 --> 00:31:28,321
I was kicked to the curb.
492
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,066
One night,
Frank Farian called me up.
493
00:31:34,196 --> 00:31:36,720
He said, "John, I've got
a project I'm working on."
494
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:43,597
"I had a rapper, Charles Shaw,
who tried the situation
495
00:31:43,727 --> 00:31:47,470
and he was not good so
can you come to the studio?"
496
00:31:50,038 --> 00:31:52,301
So that's what I did.
497
00:31:52,432 --> 00:31:54,477
He said,
"You got 10,000 D-marks,"
498
00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:56,871
and I said, "Wow."
499
00:31:57,002 --> 00:32:00,005
He said, "You're gonna do
the whole album with me."
500
00:32:00,135 --> 00:32:03,573
Frank said, "We're gonna be
doing more songs."
501
00:32:03,704 --> 00:32:05,880
We always asked,
"Where is Rob and Fab?
502
00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:07,969
When are they gonna
start singing?"
503
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,102
Frank said, "They're gonna
record in the evening
504
00:32:10,232 --> 00:32:11,538
when you guys are done."
505
00:32:30,513 --> 00:32:33,038
I used to have to go through
the back door
506
00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:35,127
because Frank didn't want
nobody know
507
00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:37,520
I was the lead singer.
508
00:32:37,651 --> 00:32:39,740
This is run like
a tight military operation.
509
00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:42,482
It's on a need-to-know basis.
510
00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:45,050
It was smoke and mirrors.
511
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:49,445
David Copperfield
couldn't have done it better.
512
00:32:49,576 --> 00:32:52,840
We like it hot, don't we?
513
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,451
You want to get down with
Milli Vanilli?
514
00:32:55,582 --> 00:32:58,019
They're coming.
It's a hit. Shake your booty.
515
00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:00,543
"Girl You Know It's True."
516
00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:12,599
- One, mark.
- Mark.
517
00:33:15,297 --> 00:33:17,604
Make sure everyone's phone's
on silent.
518
00:33:17,734 --> 00:33:18,953
That's a good idea.
519
00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:28,354
Clive is a--
is a gift-seeker.
520
00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:32,271
He is like the Yoda of talent.
521
00:33:32,401 --> 00:33:33,794
He knows.
522
00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:36,275
He just knows.
523
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:39,800
With Milli Vanilli,
Clive saw dollar signs.
524
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:42,020
"Girl You Know It's True"
is big now.
525
00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:45,023
How can we cash in on
the immediate moment?
526
00:33:45,153 --> 00:33:48,374
Well, we moved everything up
as fast as possible.
527
00:33:48,504 --> 00:33:51,159
Clive would say every week
that we're missing,
528
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,248
we're missing, like,
a million dollars.
529
00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:56,556
So we had to put
an album in motion.
530
00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:59,907
But the album that's out
in Europe, "All or Nothing,"
531
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:03,998
was not strong enough
to release in America.
532
00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:06,435
Clive called up
Diane Warren.
533
00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:08,220
Diane Warren is one of
the biggest songwriters
534
00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:09,569
there are in the country.
535
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,788
I had written
"Blame It On The Rain"
536
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:13,529
when I was scheduled
to see Clive,
537
00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:15,705
and he goes, I want you to
hear this new group I have.
538
00:34:15,836 --> 00:34:17,142
And he played me
"Girl You Know It's True."
539
00:34:17,272 --> 00:34:18,534
I'm like, "This is so crazy
540
00:34:18,665 --> 00:34:19,927
"'cause the song
I'm bringing you
541
00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:21,276
really sounds like
the follow-up to that."
542
00:34:21,407 --> 00:34:22,799
It's even the same rhythm.
543
00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:25,150
"Girl You Know It's True,"
"Blame It On The Rain."
544
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,152
I played him the song
and he loved it.
545
00:34:27,282 --> 00:34:29,632
He sent it to Frank Farian
and they recorded it.
546
00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:35,508
Normally,
when you've given the producer
547
00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:38,293
some repertoire
for them to record,
548
00:34:38,424 --> 00:34:41,383
you want to be there
to make sure it gets done.
549
00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:43,472
In the case of Frank, though,
550
00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,171
he didn't want anyone
in the studio.
551
00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:53,352
It was very weird for us
to find the songs,
552
00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:55,136
send them to Frank,
553
00:34:55,267 --> 00:35:00,707
and then have them produce it
without any of our presence.
554
00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:05,277
But the speculation that
we were somehow aware of
555
00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:08,106
what was going on
behind the scenes in Germany
556
00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:11,761
is simply not the case.
557
00:35:11,892 --> 00:35:16,592
If an outside producer sends
in all the album credits,
558
00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:18,377
you have to take it on faith
559
00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:21,771
that represents what actually
happened in the studio.
560
00:35:21,902 --> 00:35:23,860
There was no reason
to think not.
561
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,824
Ah, there it is.
562
00:35:30,954 --> 00:35:34,132
So this is the European version
of the album "All or Nothing."
563
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:37,135
You see Rob and Fab on
the cover, the first album.
564
00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:39,572
That's their, like,
running man logo.
565
00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:40,747
There they are on the back,
566
00:35:40,877 --> 00:35:43,663
shirtless, of course,
'cause why not?
567
00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:48,233
And let's see
who's credited on this album.
568
00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,543
So it says musicians here,
569
00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:58,765
and I don't see Rob and Fab
on here at all.
570
00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:04,249
So, backing vocals, Jodie and
Linda Rocco, Charles Shaw--
571
00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:05,946
produced by Frank Farian.
572
00:36:06,076 --> 00:36:09,210
But this is the truth
in advertising version
573
00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:11,169
that doesn't have them on it.
574
00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:14,520
If I'm at a record label and
I'm putting out this record,
575
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:17,740
and I look at the vocalists and
the guys who are on the cover
576
00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,395
are not listed in
the liner notes,
577
00:36:20,526 --> 00:36:21,962
I'm gonna have some questions,
you know?
578
00:36:22,092 --> 00:36:25,008
Like, that is a giant
red flag for me.
579
00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,146
That was the name of
the European album.
580
00:36:35,454 --> 00:36:37,760
Really?
OK. I didn't know that.
581
00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:40,720
- So that's--
582
00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:48,031
I--
583
00:36:48,162 --> 00:36:49,032
I don't know what to say
to that.
584
00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:54,299
Yeah, but we didn't
release that record, so--
585
00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:01,915
Really? I forgot about that.
586
00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:13,883
♪ Woo, blame it on the rain
587
00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:16,146
- ♪ Rain
- ♪ Yeah, yeah
588
00:37:16,277 --> 00:37:18,671
♪ Blame it on the stars
589
00:37:18,801 --> 00:37:20,063
- ♪ Stars
- ♪ Ooh
590
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:22,370
Rob Pilatus, my brother,
591
00:37:22,501 --> 00:37:24,851
he loved "Blame It On The Rain"
because that was--
592
00:37:24,981 --> 00:37:28,202
that was his thing.
593
00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:29,769
♪ You said you
didn't need her ♪
594
00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:33,120
"Blame It On The Rain" is
number one hit in 1989.
595
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,949
They released "Baby Don't
Forget My Number," number one.
596
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,865
"Girl I'm Gonna Miss You"
is the third number one song.
597
00:37:38,995 --> 00:37:40,867
They have three number one
smashes off that record.
598
00:37:40,997 --> 00:37:42,434
That feels impossible.
599
00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:44,740
♪ To satisfy your pride
600
00:37:44,871 --> 00:37:47,874
And once you have
three big hit singles,
601
00:37:48,004 --> 00:37:50,964
you're gonna sell
a lot of albums.
602
00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:54,446
If an artist sells 500,000
and went gold, that's terrific.
603
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:59,799
♪ You let her walk away
604
00:37:59,929 --> 00:38:02,541
If an artist sells a million
albums, that's something.
605
00:38:02,671 --> 00:38:03,890
♪ Got to blame it on
something ♪
606
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,718
But 8 million?
607
00:38:05,848 --> 00:38:07,981
It's one of the biggest
debuts of all time.
608
00:38:08,111 --> 00:38:13,247
♪ Blame it on the rain
that was falling, falling ♪
609
00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:16,424
♪ Blame it on the stars
that didn't shine that night ♪
610
00:38:16,555 --> 00:38:18,034
To just come out of nowhere
611
00:38:18,165 --> 00:38:20,515
and have a number one
debut album for seven weeks,
612
00:38:20,646 --> 00:38:23,083
well, that just was unheard of
at the time.
613
00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:27,174
♪ Blame it on the rain,
yeah, yeah ♪
614
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:30,960
Debut album,
hot right out of the gate.
615
00:38:31,091 --> 00:38:32,527
"Here's Milli Vanilli.
616
00:38:32,658 --> 00:38:34,094
What do you want to do
with it?"
617
00:38:34,224 --> 00:38:36,009
Well, we want to play it.
We want to dance to it.
618
00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:37,663
We want to have fun with them.
619
00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:40,318
Can we get them in the studio?
We want to meet them.
620
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:45,192
♪ Blame it on the rain
that was falling, falling ♪
621
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,194
♪ Blame it on the stars
622
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,414
At that point,
what are we gonna do?
623
00:38:49,544 --> 00:38:52,591
Should we bring them over?
Should they do the MTV tour?
624
00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:54,984
Then that all kicks in.
625
00:38:55,115 --> 00:38:57,160
♪ Blame it on the rain
626
00:38:57,291 --> 00:39:00,076
Labels saw we were growing
in the charts in America.
627
00:39:00,207 --> 00:39:01,774
♪ Blame it on the rain
628
00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:04,254
Our presence was needed.
629
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,869
But Frank didn't want us
to go to America.
630
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,392
Frank was apprehensive
631
00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:14,003
because of the big secret, obviously.
632
00:39:14,134 --> 00:39:17,006
Frank was concerned that
they would go to America
633
00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:19,879
and fuck up everything.
634
00:39:20,009 --> 00:39:23,056
America had our heart.
635
00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:27,408
"We want to go to the US.
USA! USA!"
636
00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:33,893
Coming to LA for us was like
637
00:39:34,023 --> 00:39:36,374
we're living the dream,
we're doing things.
638
00:39:36,504 --> 00:39:37,810
- A'ight?
- Kick it.
639
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,726
Hollywood, Malibu.
640
00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:43,293
The girls are hot there, too. Oof.
641
00:39:45,557 --> 00:39:47,254
♪ Cold coolin' at a bar
642
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,561
We got a manager,
Sandy Gallin...
643
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:50,997
♪ But like
Mick Jagger said ♪
644
00:39:51,127 --> 00:39:52,390
He was like a big player.
645
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,782
♪ I can't get
no satisfaction ♪
646
00:39:53,913 --> 00:39:55,218
He had Michael Jackson
at the time,
647
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:57,743
Dolly Parton--tons of people.
648
00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:58,961
That's why he had us,
649
00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,310
to handle people like
Milli Vanilli.
650
00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:03,009
♪ Funky Cold Medina
651
00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:05,359
I was truly,
in the beginning, a fan.
652
00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:07,230
I said to them,
"You know, I've never been
653
00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:08,884
a manager before,"
654
00:40:09,015 --> 00:40:13,062
and Rob said, "Well, we've
never been pop stars before."
655
00:40:13,193 --> 00:40:15,848
I was like, "OK, here we go."
656
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:23,421
My first job was putting them
on the MTV tour.
657
00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,945
It was gonna be
our first tour in America--
658
00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:29,427
a 107 city tour
in eight months--
659
00:40:29,557 --> 00:40:31,690
so we had to put
a band together.
660
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:35,781
I was the band leader then.
661
00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:38,610
We had rehearsed,
we were flawless.
662
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:41,351
Everybody was really
invested in this gig
663
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:44,398
'cause it was
the new hottest shit, you know?
664
00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:46,618
After we had been approved,
665
00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:50,709
Rob and Fab disappeared.
They were gone.
666
00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:54,669
So we were just rehearsing
with no artist.
667
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,847
And I start going, "These guys
must be really, really good.
668
00:40:58,978 --> 00:41:01,110
"They don't rehearse,
they don't fucking do nothing.
669
00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:04,636
They--
what the hell's going on?"
670
00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:06,464
We started asking
more questions.
671
00:41:06,594 --> 00:41:09,249
We got to realize, this musical
director at the time
672
00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:13,775
is programming this Oberheim.
There's where the vocals are.
673
00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:17,431
And then we understood,
"Oh, they're lip-syncing."
674
00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:19,738
So we said, "OK, we're in
a lip-sync band."
675
00:41:21,783 --> 00:41:23,524
They said, "Don't say anything
about this to anybody else."
676
00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:24,786
"Fine."
677
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,228
The show would play
to packed arenas.
678
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:37,407
Rob and Fab were two sexy
performers selling hits,
679
00:41:37,538 --> 00:41:40,367
and they did a really
bloody good job at it.
680
00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:05,087
Yeah!
681
00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:08,700
♪ Girl, you know it's true
682
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:14,880
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you
683
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:16,969
♪ Yes, you know it's true
684
00:42:20,755 --> 00:42:22,757
The audience loved them.
685
00:42:22,888 --> 00:42:25,543
Yeah!
686
00:42:25,673 --> 00:42:27,980
It was very powerful.
687
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:30,112
♪ Girl, you know it's,
girl, you know it's ♪
688
00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,637
♪ Girl, you know it's true
689
00:42:32,767 --> 00:42:34,900
♪ Girl, you know it's,
yes, you know it's ♪
690
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:38,381
♪ Girl, you know it's true
691
00:42:38,512 --> 00:42:42,516
Performing is a drug.
692
00:42:42,647 --> 00:42:47,477
That euphoric feeling allowed
us to just forget everything.
693
00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:02,580
Milli Vanilli,
the European duo,
694
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:04,712
now one of the hottest
groups in America,
695
00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:07,672
made a special trip to the
Disney MGM Studios theme parks
696
00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:08,760
where we arranged
for them to have
697
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:10,500
an exclusive interview session
698
00:43:10,631 --> 00:43:12,502
with some of
their most loyal fans.
699
00:43:12,633 --> 00:43:14,156
Wherever you've performed,
700
00:43:14,287 --> 00:43:17,072
has anything really
embarrassing happened to you?
701
00:43:17,203 --> 00:43:18,465
Yeah.
702
00:43:28,301 --> 00:43:30,433
It was super hot that day.
703
00:43:30,564 --> 00:43:34,612
"Downtown" Julie Brown
introduces us as usual.
704
00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:43,359
I decided to take a break--
705
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:46,536
the show had been going now
for a few months--
706
00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:49,452
and it was while
I was in my trailer
707
00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:54,066
I heard the crowd, like,
getting a little bit rowdy.
708
00:43:56,285 --> 00:43:58,679
The vocals that were
being cued from the emulator
709
00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:00,072
started repeating.
710
00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,639
♪ Girl, you know it's--
711
00:44:01,769 --> 00:44:03,902
♪ Girl, you know it's--
girl, you know it's-- ♪
712
00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,730
♪ Girl, you know it's--
713
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,428
It was like--
714
00:44:08,558 --> 00:44:09,516
Shit!
715
00:44:12,301 --> 00:44:16,131
As I open my door,
I saw Rob go flying by.
716
00:44:16,262 --> 00:44:19,221
Rob and Fab were gone,
and I'm onstage still with
717
00:44:19,352 --> 00:44:21,223
the guitar player and the
drummer going "What the fuck?
718
00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:23,530
Do we continue the song on
or what are we doing here?"
719
00:44:25,488 --> 00:44:26,533
So, of course,
there was outrage.
720
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:27,882
I was furious.
721
00:44:28,013 --> 00:44:30,798
"What the fuck, you know?
Find him!"
722
00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:33,671
Rob was pissed.
He was like, "Fuck that!"
723
00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,021
He lost his cool.
724
00:44:36,151 --> 00:44:38,545
Rob had gotten hold of me
to say,
725
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:39,764
"I don't know what to do."
726
00:44:39,894 --> 00:44:41,417
You know, he was scared.
727
00:44:43,942 --> 00:44:45,334
He kind of exploded.
728
00:44:45,465 --> 00:44:51,079
It was the moment where
it just burst open.
729
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:53,081
And at that time,
we didn't know
730
00:44:53,212 --> 00:44:56,868
what pressure he was feeling
because we didn't know
731
00:44:56,998 --> 00:44:58,608
the load they were carrying.
732
00:45:27,376 --> 00:45:30,597
♪ On the rain
that was falling ♪
733
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:31,729
When Milli Vanilli blew up,
734
00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:33,382
I was a program director at
735
00:45:33,513 --> 00:45:38,257
WILD radio station, Boston.
1090 on the AM dial.
736
00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:43,001
The only Black station
within miles
737
00:45:43,131 --> 00:45:45,351
of Boston, Massachusetts.
738
00:45:47,353 --> 00:45:50,399
The guys came to our radio
station for our morning show.
739
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:51,879
And I remember
them sitting there,
740
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:53,359
and when I heard them talk
for the first time,
741
00:45:53,489 --> 00:45:55,709
I'm like,
"Oh, they sound very different
742
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,016
than they do on the record."
743
00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:01,584
Please welcome Milli Vanilli.
744
00:46:05,153 --> 00:46:07,547
Once they started doing
promotional dates,
745
00:46:07,677 --> 00:46:10,202
it became pretty clear
that something was strange.
746
00:46:10,332 --> 00:46:11,725
Fab, how are you
finding Australia?
747
00:46:11,856 --> 00:46:12,987
You enjoying it?
748
00:46:15,903 --> 00:46:17,383
Sydney?
749
00:46:17,513 --> 00:46:19,254
Syd-ney. Syd-ney.
750
00:46:20,081 --> 00:46:23,693
Melbourne. Melbourne.
751
00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:28,960
It just seemed that
they weren't comfortable
752
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:31,266
communicating in English.
753
00:46:31,397 --> 00:46:33,921
Who inspired you
the most, Rob?
754
00:46:34,052 --> 00:46:36,576
Uh, diff--difficult.
755
00:46:36,706 --> 00:46:39,100
You could tell
they were sweating bullets.
756
00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:40,275
People were starting to,
you know,
757
00:46:40,406 --> 00:46:41,842
giggle a little bit
on the sides.
758
00:46:41,973 --> 00:46:43,626
Fab, you speak English, right?
759
00:46:43,757 --> 00:46:46,281
- Yeah, I can, too.
- Who are your--
760
00:46:46,412 --> 00:46:48,544
And it was easy to
kind of latch on to that
761
00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:49,850
and make them a joke.
762
00:46:49,981 --> 00:46:53,898
You are Germany,
and I'm from French.
763
00:46:54,028 --> 00:46:55,725
Oh.
764
00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,382
There's a way that
I think some people knew.
765
00:47:00,513 --> 00:47:04,691
♪ Blame it on the rain
766
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:06,649
Arsenio Hall is someone who
had been around the business
767
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:09,174
a long time and had seen a lot.
768
00:47:09,304 --> 00:47:11,176
Man, I think Milli Vanilli
doing crack.
769
00:47:11,306 --> 00:47:12,699
I don't think--
770
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:14,527
It seemed bad to
a lot of these folks.
771
00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:16,834
Those pants too tight.
They going--
772
00:47:16,964 --> 00:47:18,618
They knew something was up.
773
00:47:21,447 --> 00:47:23,405
Privately, I thought, like,
774
00:47:23,536 --> 00:47:26,365
you know, "Did they really
sing everything?"
775
00:47:26,495 --> 00:47:28,236
Girls!
crowd: Girls!
776
00:47:28,367 --> 00:47:30,848
Hey, boys!
crowd: Hey, boys!
777
00:47:30,978 --> 00:47:34,112
Yeah!
crowd: Yeah!
778
00:47:34,242 --> 00:47:37,376
♪ Girl, you know it's--
girl, you know it's true ♪
779
00:47:37,506 --> 00:47:39,726
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh
780
00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:42,163
♪ I'm in love with you, girl,
'cause you're on my mind ♪
781
00:47:42,294 --> 00:47:44,252
♪ You're the one I think about
most every time ♪
782
00:47:44,383 --> 00:47:47,081
We didn't sing on
those records.
783
00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:49,257
♪ Don't you understand, girl,
this love is true ♪
784
00:47:49,388 --> 00:47:51,433
We didn't even sound like
those records.
785
00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:56,612
We were lying.
786
00:48:07,014 --> 00:48:08,842
Lies are taking the elevators
787
00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:11,801
while the truth
takes the stairs.
788
00:48:15,762 --> 00:48:18,634
I knew that at some point,
the truth would rise.
789
00:48:21,202 --> 00:48:23,813
They were gonna catch us
at some point or another.
790
00:48:33,998 --> 00:48:37,523
This load on our shoulders,
791
00:48:37,653 --> 00:48:40,395
it was getting heavy and heavy
and heavy.
792
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,566
I was a little bit
tired by it, yeah.
793
00:49:30,576 --> 00:49:34,101
We drank more,
took more drugs,
794
00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:36,974
to be able to, like, numb out.
795
00:49:57,081 --> 00:49:59,387
I think next time,
next time, maybe--
796
00:49:59,518 --> 00:50:00,823
should we ask them to sing
next time?
797
00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:13,706
Um...
798
00:50:13,836 --> 00:50:17,057
This, uh...
799
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:44,188
They got double platinum.
They got gold records.
800
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,236
Everybody else got
a gold record of my voice
801
00:51:49,367 --> 00:51:50,585
on their walls.
802
00:51:52,544 --> 00:51:55,721
That's my voice!
803
00:51:55,851 --> 00:51:57,766
You end up drinking,
804
00:51:57,897 --> 00:52:01,205
you end up taking drugs
to not think about
805
00:52:01,335 --> 00:52:03,990
what's really happening
in reality.
806
00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:06,862
Then my manager that I had
at that time said,
807
00:52:06,993 --> 00:52:09,126
"Well, you know what?
808
00:52:09,256 --> 00:52:13,086
We're gonna do interviews.
You're gonna go live."
809
00:52:13,217 --> 00:52:14,957
I was singing before
Milli Vanilli
810
00:52:15,088 --> 00:52:17,264
even thought about
becoming stars.
811
00:52:17,395 --> 00:52:20,572
I went abroad and said it
in a TV show,
812
00:52:20,702 --> 00:52:22,269
it's my voice.
813
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,055
Music is from Frank Farian
and not from Milli Vanilli.
814
00:52:34,194 --> 00:52:37,154
And Frank denied it all.
815
00:52:37,284 --> 00:52:40,157
His words were--I can
remember them to the day--
816
00:52:40,287 --> 00:52:43,116
"This artist is a liar.
817
00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,814
"Look the way he's dressed.
818
00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:48,034
"The Black guy.
819
00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:49,427
He's just trying to
make money."
820
00:53:02,701 --> 00:53:04,137
Ingrid!
821
00:53:04,268 --> 00:53:05,791
She said,
"Frank don't want you to be
822
00:53:05,921 --> 00:53:08,794
"talking out there to nobody.
Keep your mouth shut."
823
00:53:08,924 --> 00:53:10,274
"How could you say that?
824
00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:13,320
You're just trying
to get publicity."
825
00:53:13,451 --> 00:53:16,062
Milli Vanilli fans?
Oh, man.
826
00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:18,412
Death threats.
827
00:53:18,543 --> 00:53:23,374
"Your next show, this and this
is gonna happen to you."
828
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,506
The phone rang and
it was Charles Shaw.
829
00:53:25,637 --> 00:53:27,465
And I didn't know who he was,
830
00:53:27,595 --> 00:53:29,206
and he said, "I'm the real
singer of Milli Vanilli
831
00:53:29,336 --> 00:53:31,338
and you have to help me."
832
00:53:31,469 --> 00:53:33,688
So I called Sandy right away
833
00:53:33,819 --> 00:53:35,560
and I said, "I just got this
weird call from this guy.
834
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:36,822
He says he's the real voice."
835
00:53:36,952 --> 00:53:40,173
"Ah, just a crazy person.
Just ignore it."
836
00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:42,871
It didn't interest anybody.
837
00:53:44,046 --> 00:53:48,050
You get tired of trying to
838
00:53:48,181 --> 00:53:51,140
lead a jackass to water
839
00:53:51,271 --> 00:53:53,099
and make him drink it.
840
00:54:15,817 --> 00:54:17,950
People wanted to believe
841
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,647
they are really singing
these songs
842
00:54:19,778 --> 00:54:21,736
because it was
a good production.
843
00:54:21,867 --> 00:54:23,260
It was entertainment.
844
00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:28,090
It's a magic trick pulled
off in front of you onstage,
845
00:54:28,221 --> 00:54:30,049
and the audience usually
wants to be deceived
846
00:54:30,179 --> 00:54:31,833
in a magic show.
847
00:54:31,964 --> 00:54:35,184
So if everyone benefits
from a scam like that,
848
00:54:35,315 --> 00:54:36,795
including the audience,
849
00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:39,406
it's very easy to
look the other way.
850
00:54:39,537 --> 00:54:40,712
Everyone got his bonus,
851
00:54:40,842 --> 00:54:43,149
everyone was happy to be successful,
852
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,021
and the people are happy to
have this record.
853
00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:51,026
We all together were in
a very nice flow of success.
854
00:54:54,378 --> 00:54:56,075
♪ Mo-mo-mo-money rules
the world ♪
855
00:54:56,205 --> 00:54:58,033
♪ It's still
the same old greed ♪
856
00:54:58,164 --> 00:55:00,558
Successful music is
a great money machine.
857
00:55:00,688 --> 00:55:03,212
Their videos are hot,
their songs are hot.
858
00:55:03,343 --> 00:55:04,823
Singles, albums,
maxi singles...
859
00:55:04,953 --> 00:55:06,128
Buy it now.
860
00:55:06,259 --> 00:55:09,001
The album made
$580 million.
861
00:55:09,131 --> 00:55:12,178
They had sold approximately
46 million records, global.
862
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:14,093
There was merchandise, keychains,
863
00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:15,399
ticket sales to the concerts.
864
00:55:15,529 --> 00:55:17,444
It's Milli Vanilli.
Milli Vanilli!
865
00:55:17,575 --> 00:55:19,533
What a show. What a night.
866
00:55:19,664 --> 00:55:21,579
We're going to
a Milli Vanilli concert.
867
00:55:21,709 --> 00:55:25,539
They could've recorded
the alphabet, the phonebook.
868
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:27,889
You name it,
they were selling it.
869
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:29,282
Their logo is
the running man
870
00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:32,198
and it symbolizes
the pursuit of success.
871
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:33,939
If they do any better
next year,
872
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:36,115
they're gonna have
to find a new logo.
873
00:55:36,245 --> 00:55:37,943
At that time,
Frank Farian was worth
874
00:55:38,073 --> 00:55:39,945
almost half a billion.
875
00:55:40,075 --> 00:55:43,209
♪ Money rules the world and
don't you love that cash? ♪
876
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,559
They continued to steamroll
through the end of the year.
877
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:48,257
And the winner is...
Milli Vanilli.
878
00:55:48,388 --> 00:55:49,650
They won three
American Music Awards...
879
00:55:49,781 --> 00:55:51,173
Milli Vanilli.
880
00:55:51,913 --> 00:55:53,524
Milli Vanilli!
881
00:55:53,654 --> 00:55:55,569
This train was moving.
882
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,833
Thank you to our producer,
Frank Farian,
883
00:55:58,964 --> 00:56:00,487
to our manager, Sandy Gallin.
884
00:56:00,618 --> 00:56:02,663
We'd like to thank
Clive Davis.
885
00:56:02,794 --> 00:56:04,752
♪ Money rules the world
886
00:56:04,883 --> 00:56:06,798
Arista, BMG,
887
00:56:06,928 --> 00:56:10,279
they were cashing in
the bucks.
888
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:12,020
♪ Money, money
889
00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:13,892
And the whole thing with
Milli Vanilli
890
00:56:14,022 --> 00:56:15,372
would have kept going if
891
00:56:15,502 --> 00:56:18,505
they had not been nominated
for the Grammys.
892
00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:24,250
Well, because--
no, but, see,
893
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:27,993
most everybody knew
the secret, and I didn't.
894
00:56:28,123 --> 00:56:29,429
They never told me this,
895
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,563
so I just assumed they sang,
you know?
896
00:56:34,347 --> 00:56:37,002
So we're at a conference
meeting and I said,
897
00:56:37,132 --> 00:56:39,134
"I think Milli Vanilli could
get nominated for a Grammy."
898
00:56:39,265 --> 00:56:41,267
I thought "Blame It On
The Rain" was a Grammy song.
899
00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,356
They laughed at me and
they're like, "Trust me,
900
00:56:43,487 --> 00:56:46,403
Milli Vanilli's never gonna
get nominated for a Grammy."
901
00:56:46,533 --> 00:56:48,361
So I called
National Academy of
902
00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:50,058
Recording Arts and Sciences.
903
00:56:50,189 --> 00:56:51,756
They put me right through
to Mike Greene's office,
904
00:56:51,886 --> 00:56:54,541
the president of NARAS.
905
00:56:54,672 --> 00:56:57,457
I had no idea how somebody
actually does get nominated,
906
00:56:57,588 --> 00:56:59,459
and he said,
"Oh, you just put it on
907
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:01,592
"your management company letterhead,
908
00:57:01,722 --> 00:57:04,769
'please consider
Milli Vanilli for a Grammy.'"
909
00:57:04,899 --> 00:57:07,772
So I typed it up and faxed it
off to the Academy.
910
00:57:07,902 --> 00:57:10,296
Never thought another thing
about it.
911
00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:13,952
So when that ballot came out
and Milli Vanilli was on it,
912
00:57:14,082 --> 00:57:17,216
like, just everything
hit the fan.
913
00:57:17,346 --> 00:57:19,740
Clive called Sandy
and threw a hissy fit,
914
00:57:19,871 --> 00:57:22,395
and then Sandy called me
absolutely furious,
915
00:57:22,526 --> 00:57:24,528
like, "Look what you've done!"
916
00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:26,399
I'm like,
917
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:28,401
"why doesn't anybody want them
to have a Grammy award?"
918
00:57:36,017 --> 00:57:38,977
If Milli Vanilli had
been nominated for
919
00:57:39,107 --> 00:57:41,327
the lip-sync awards,
that would've been fine,
920
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:45,853
but they got nominated for
this prestigious musical award
921
00:57:45,984 --> 00:57:47,899
and they were up against
people who produce music
922
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:49,901
and write music and sing.
923
00:57:50,031 --> 00:57:51,206
They were up against
the Indigo Girls...
924
00:57:51,337 --> 00:57:55,515
♪ Closer I am to fine
925
00:57:55,646 --> 00:57:57,474
This incredible folk duo
who sang
926
00:57:57,604 --> 00:57:59,824
these beautiful, deep songs.
927
00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:02,566
They were up against Tone Loc.
928
00:58:02,696 --> 00:58:04,393
♪ Funky Cold Medina
929
00:58:04,524 --> 00:58:07,396
Tone Loc made brilliantly
constructed records,
930
00:58:07,527 --> 00:58:10,008
full of incredibly clever
rhythmic artifice.
931
00:58:10,138 --> 00:58:12,140
- ♪ Sweetness
- Neneh Cherry, who had
932
00:58:12,271 --> 00:58:15,274
a really interesting debut
album and had a lot to say.
933
00:58:15,404 --> 00:58:16,754
♪ We always hang in
a buffalo stance ♪
934
00:58:16,884 --> 00:58:18,973
♪ Back to life
935
00:58:19,104 --> 00:58:23,412
Soul II Soul changed
the way R&B music sounded.
936
00:58:23,543 --> 00:58:25,937
They changed the way
music moved.
937
00:58:26,067 --> 00:58:28,853
And so, if I'm one of those artists,
938
00:58:28,983 --> 00:58:30,245
I'm like, "These guys?"
939
00:58:33,422 --> 00:58:37,992
We knew that the Grammys
were the highest standard.
940
00:58:41,256 --> 00:58:45,478
Then here we were,
you know, Rob and Fab.
941
00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:50,527
Not only that,
they want us to perform live.
942
00:58:50,657 --> 00:58:54,095
I thought, how the hell are
they going to do the Grammys
943
00:58:54,226 --> 00:58:55,575
when it's all live?
944
00:59:00,232 --> 00:59:02,277
Live-sing.
945
00:59:15,073 --> 00:59:18,293
Michael Greene was
the head of NARAS at the time.
946
00:59:18,424 --> 00:59:22,950
I remember taking a picture
with him, and him saying,
947
00:59:23,081 --> 00:59:25,692
"Be sure you do it right
tonight."
948
00:59:27,955 --> 00:59:29,827
Money, money, money
makes the world go 'round.
949
00:59:37,356 --> 00:59:39,140
We're at the Shrine.
950
00:59:39,271 --> 00:59:42,970
I remember getting out
of the car and going in.
951
00:59:43,101 --> 00:59:45,103
On that day, it was pressure.
952
00:59:46,365 --> 00:59:47,322
Ladies and gentlemen,
953
00:59:47,453 --> 00:59:49,890
Mr. Mike Greene.
- Thank you.
954
00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:51,631
This is a great night
for music!
955
00:59:53,328 --> 00:59:55,330
Yeah, boy!
956
00:59:55,461 --> 00:59:58,116
All the stars are
in the building.
957
00:59:58,246 --> 01:00:00,292
Woo-hoo!
958
01:00:02,033 --> 01:00:04,862
Finally, it was our turn
to be on that stage.
959
01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:07,386
Cold sweat.
960
01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:08,953
Well, girl,
you know it's true.
961
01:00:09,083 --> 01:00:11,912
It can only mean Milli Vanilli.
962
01:00:15,524 --> 01:00:17,091
Hit it!
963
01:00:26,448 --> 01:00:28,712
♪ I'm in love with you, girl,
'cause you're on my mind ♪
964
01:00:28,842 --> 01:00:31,105
♪ You're the one I think about
most every time ♪
965
01:00:31,236 --> 01:00:33,586
♪ And when you pack a smile
in everything you do ♪
966
01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,022
Performing in front of
the Grammys
967
01:00:35,153 --> 01:00:38,330
with all those artists,
that was nerve wracking.
968
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:41,986
- ♪ And this is true
- ♪ Girl, you know it's true
969
01:00:42,116 --> 01:00:45,554
All those people who spent
years of their lives
970
01:00:45,685 --> 01:00:47,252
to get to this point,
971
01:00:47,382 --> 01:00:48,949
and we got here pretty fast.
972
01:01:03,442 --> 01:01:05,618
I remember sitting there,
973
01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:08,229
and I think the entire industry
knew at that time
974
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,275
that it wasn't them singing.
975
01:01:10,405 --> 01:01:11,929
That was great.
976
01:01:12,059 --> 01:01:13,844
I was actually--I was supposed
to be in that number.
977
01:01:13,974 --> 01:01:16,020
I don't know what--
978
01:01:17,151 --> 01:01:18,979
When he called out
the nominees,
979
01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:21,460
you know, it was like, "Man."
980
01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:23,331
This year, the nominees for
Best New Artist
981
01:01:23,462 --> 01:01:25,943
are making all kinds of music.
982
01:01:26,073 --> 01:01:28,597
Each one of them express
themself in a unique way
983
01:01:28,728 --> 01:01:30,948
that commands attention.
984
01:01:31,078 --> 01:01:33,864
Now, the nominees for
Best New Artist are...
985
01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:37,563
Do Rob and Fab
deserve the Grammy?
986
01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:39,478
Neneh Cherry.
987
01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:41,741
That's a tough one.
988
01:01:43,003 --> 01:01:44,875
We didn't sing on
the record, so...
989
01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:45,876
Indigo Girls.
990
01:01:47,138 --> 01:01:48,443
No.
991
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:50,097
But...
992
01:01:53,361 --> 01:01:54,972
Milli Vanilli.
993
01:01:55,102 --> 01:01:57,583
For the pain and everything
that we suffered...
994
01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:59,237
Soul II Soul.
995
01:01:59,367 --> 01:02:01,674
And the hard work that
we put into,
996
01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:03,110
do we deserve it?
997
01:02:03,241 --> 01:02:04,329
Tone Loc.
998
01:02:06,461 --> 01:02:09,987
A very small part of me
says yes.
999
01:02:12,032 --> 01:02:14,339
And the Best New Artist is...
1000
01:02:14,469 --> 01:02:17,124
Rob and Fab deserved
the Grammy.
1001
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:18,996
Milli Vanilli.
1002
01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:30,834
"Oh, my God."
1003
01:02:30,964 --> 01:02:33,575
Frank goes,
"Now, everybody's watching."
1004
01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,154
Uh, we want to say
thank you very much,
1005
01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:49,809
but we want to say
there are a lot of artists
1006
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:51,680
here in this room,
1007
01:02:51,811 --> 01:02:54,422
there are a lot of artists
outside in the world
1008
01:02:54,553 --> 01:02:57,599
who could achieve the same
award that we achieved today,
1009
01:02:57,730 --> 01:02:59,514
and it's an award for
all artists in the world.
1010
01:02:59,645 --> 01:03:01,081
Thank you very much.
1011
01:03:02,648 --> 01:03:05,216
Thank you.
1012
01:03:05,346 --> 01:03:07,218
It was a joke
that went too far.
1013
01:03:07,348 --> 01:03:10,308
And once they crossed
that line into
1014
01:03:10,438 --> 01:03:14,529
something that
people really care about,
1015
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:17,445
that was the beginning of
the end for Rob and Fab.
1016
01:03:19,317 --> 01:03:21,406
Once they won the Grammy...
1017
01:03:24,191 --> 01:03:27,412
Once they won the Grammy,
1018
01:03:27,542 --> 01:03:30,110
they hung they selves.
1019
01:03:43,602 --> 01:03:46,213
The afterparty
for the Grammys,
1020
01:03:46,344 --> 01:03:48,563
oh, man, we were already faded.
1021
01:03:53,612 --> 01:03:56,745
I remember having to listen
to Mr. Clive Davis.
1022
01:03:59,183 --> 01:04:01,402
We were so high
1023
01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:03,230
that it took a lot of energy
1024
01:04:03,361 --> 01:04:05,929
to just keep the stuff together.
1025
01:04:09,062 --> 01:04:13,284
Frankly, Rob and Fab didn't
do themselves any favors.
1026
01:04:16,156 --> 01:04:19,725
They were just acting arrogant
and, frankly, obnoxious.
1027
01:04:33,739 --> 01:04:36,350
"I have no time.
Who's Paul McCartney?"
1028
01:04:39,571 --> 01:04:43,575
When they won,
Rob and Fab were way up here,
1029
01:04:43,705 --> 01:04:45,620
these big stars that
just won a Grammy.
1030
01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:46,839
And the bigger they got,
1031
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:49,450
the more celebrity
they became.
1032
01:04:51,278 --> 01:04:53,541
They had to have Avión
in the limousine,
1033
01:04:53,672 --> 01:04:55,326
sushi in the dressing room.
1034
01:04:55,456 --> 01:04:58,068
They wanted for nothing.
1035
01:04:58,198 --> 01:05:00,897
The stardom made them crazy.
1036
01:05:01,027 --> 01:05:03,638
Rob said, "Oh,
can you turn on my voice?"
1037
01:05:03,769 --> 01:05:06,511
And Frank said,
"It's not your voice!"
1038
01:05:06,641 --> 01:05:09,296
Believe it.
It's Brad Howell's voice.
1039
01:05:09,427 --> 01:05:12,996
He was singing with
my voice during playback
1040
01:05:13,126 --> 01:05:15,172
and believing
that's his own voice.
1041
01:05:15,302 --> 01:05:17,391
They were believing this.
1042
01:05:17,522 --> 01:05:20,438
They started to forget
the reality
1043
01:05:20,568 --> 01:05:22,309
that they didn't sing.
1044
01:05:24,485 --> 01:05:26,009
So they were doing
this interview one time
1045
01:05:26,139 --> 01:05:27,358
and they said they were better
than The Beatles.
1046
01:05:32,537 --> 01:05:34,234
Think about waking up
every day and knowing that
1047
01:05:34,365 --> 01:05:35,888
you don't sing
any of the vocals,
1048
01:05:36,019 --> 01:05:37,368
and then saying you're better
than The Beatles.
1049
01:05:40,110 --> 01:05:42,590
I mean, that takes, like,
giant stones.
1050
01:05:42,721 --> 01:05:45,942
You've really gotta believe
your own bullshit to say that.
1051
01:05:46,072 --> 01:05:49,597
They got caught up in it.
1052
01:05:49,728 --> 01:05:51,817
At that point, they thought
they had the power,
1053
01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:53,645
and they did, to some degree.
1054
01:05:53,775 --> 01:05:56,039
They said, you know,
"We're in control now."
1055
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:00,521
Millions and millions of
dollars were at stake
1056
01:06:00,652 --> 01:06:03,698
and people depended on them.
1057
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:06,136
Frank depended on them.
1058
01:06:06,266 --> 01:06:08,399
Clive depended on them.
1059
01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:11,924
Everybody depended on
Milli Vanilli doing their job.
1060
01:06:14,405 --> 01:06:17,408
Frank Farian was already
preparing album number two,
1061
01:06:17,538 --> 01:06:19,323
"Keep On Running,"
and they wanted us
1062
01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:25,459
to get back to Germany to go
promote the second album.
1063
01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:29,637
But Rob and Fab were done.
1064
01:06:29,768 --> 01:06:32,292
We wanted to sing.
1065
01:06:32,423 --> 01:06:34,773
We wanted to come out
as singers.
1066
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:43,173
At Arista,
we had a weekly luncheon
1067
01:06:43,303 --> 01:06:46,306
in the conference room.
1068
01:06:46,437 --> 01:06:49,483
One day, Clive got a call and
he walked into the kitchen.
1069
01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:54,184
And then came back out
and he goes,
1070
01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:58,275
"They want to sing on
the second album."
1071
01:06:58,405 --> 01:07:02,018
And I remember him saying,
"That's not gonna happen."
1072
01:07:10,113 --> 01:07:12,506
"Oh, but I would like to sing."
1073
01:07:12,637 --> 01:07:14,552
"Yeah, Rob, it's impossible.
1074
01:07:14,682 --> 01:07:16,641
"You cannot sing and
Fab cannot sing,
1075
01:07:16,771 --> 01:07:18,295
so please stop talking."
1076
01:07:20,427 --> 01:07:24,562
We couldn't continue
to be his marionette.
1077
01:07:24,692 --> 01:07:26,520
Hey, listen.
1078
01:07:26,651 --> 01:07:28,522
Done with this.
1079
01:07:28,653 --> 01:07:31,047
So we started to lawyer up,
1080
01:07:31,177 --> 01:07:33,310
and then that's when
we found out
1081
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,705
we signed a contract
for multiple albums.
1082
01:07:37,836 --> 01:07:39,925
We had no clue.
1083
01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:43,929
So to get out of under
the thumb of Frank Farian,
1084
01:07:44,060 --> 01:07:46,801
we played a game
of cat and mouse.
1085
01:07:48,629 --> 01:07:52,155
Our MO was to hurt him.
1086
01:07:52,285 --> 01:07:55,245
Let's push him to a brink
where he's gonna break,
1087
01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:57,682
and then he's gonna say,
"You know what? I'm tired.
1088
01:07:57,812 --> 01:07:59,988
Go away."
1089
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:01,512
You know, we didn't show up
to the video of
1090
01:08:01,642 --> 01:08:03,644
"Keep On Running."
1091
01:08:03,775 --> 01:08:07,213
And we told him,
"More money. More money."
1092
01:08:07,344 --> 01:08:08,823
He's like,
"No, I'm not doing that!
1093
01:08:08,954 --> 01:08:10,564
What else do you want?"
1094
01:08:18,311 --> 01:08:21,401
They told Frank,
"If you don't give us 150,000,
1095
01:08:21,532 --> 01:08:23,360
"we will go to the producer
and telling them that
1096
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:25,927
we are not the guys
who singing on the tape."
1097
01:08:56,567 --> 01:08:59,222
The story broke in
"The Los Angeles Times"
1098
01:08:59,352 --> 01:09:00,266
and all hell broke loose.
1099
01:09:10,668 --> 01:09:12,757
Frank threw Rob and Fab
under the bus.
1100
01:09:12,887 --> 01:09:16,413
♪ I knew it from the start,
you would break my heart ♪
1101
01:09:16,543 --> 01:09:19,764
♪ But still, I had to play
this painful part ♪
1102
01:09:19,894 --> 01:09:22,114
♪ You wrapped me around
your little bitty finger ♪
1103
01:09:38,826 --> 01:09:40,698
He basically brushed it off
and said,
1104
01:09:40,828 --> 01:09:42,047
"You know, yeah,
they didn't sing..."
1105
01:09:42,178 --> 01:09:44,963
♪ I just don't know
what I should do ♪
1106
01:09:45,093 --> 01:09:46,704
"And who cares?"
1107
01:09:52,275 --> 01:09:53,885
Very quickly after that,
1108
01:09:54,015 --> 01:09:56,496
the whole train
came off the tracks.
1109
01:09:56,627 --> 01:10:03,111
♪ It's a tragedy for me
to see the dream is over ♪
1110
01:10:03,242 --> 01:10:07,028
♪ And I never will forget
the day we met ♪
1111
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:08,552
♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you
1112
01:10:12,208 --> 01:10:14,471
The pop music world's
in shock tonight--
1113
01:10:14,601 --> 01:10:15,994
With the revelation that
pop duo--
1114
01:10:16,124 --> 01:10:17,430
Milli Vanilli didn't sing.
1115
01:10:17,561 --> 01:10:19,040
So, girl, you know
it's not true.
1116
01:10:19,171 --> 01:10:22,000
Well, I am shocked.
1117
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:24,742
It was the lead-in story
on all the news.
1118
01:10:24,872 --> 01:10:25,960
More embarrassment today
1119
01:10:26,091 --> 01:10:27,832
for the pop singing group
Milli Vanilli.
1120
01:10:27,962 --> 01:10:32,402
Milli Vanilli turns out to be
a lot of phony baloney.
1121
01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:35,535
And it didn't just
hit America;
1122
01:10:35,666 --> 01:10:36,841
it hit worldwide.
1123
01:10:45,763 --> 01:10:47,765
One pop group this week
has been involved in
1124
01:10:47,895 --> 01:10:49,245
a feverish controversy.
1125
01:10:49,375 --> 01:10:51,247
And then NARAS got involved.
1126
01:10:51,377 --> 01:10:53,640
There's too many doubts
that have been cast now
1127
01:10:53,771 --> 01:10:56,817
for us not to go forward and
try to find out the truth.
1128
01:10:56,948 --> 01:11:00,691
The credibility of
the Grammy depends on it.
1129
01:11:00,821 --> 01:11:03,824
Having to give back
their Grammy,
1130
01:11:03,955 --> 01:11:08,960
it's the only time that has
happened in music history.
1131
01:11:10,483 --> 01:11:12,268
There was no recovering
from that.
1132
01:11:12,398 --> 01:11:16,533
The only way that that could be
ridden was to own it.
1133
01:11:20,624 --> 01:11:23,627
Robert Pilatus
and Fabrice Morvan.
1134
01:11:28,284 --> 01:11:30,198
Come together. Come together.
1135
01:11:30,329 --> 01:11:32,157
- Come together, guys!
- Right here! Right here!
1136
01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:34,899
- Right here.
- Straight ahead.
1137
01:11:35,029 --> 01:11:37,423
Fabrice and me,
we lived together in a project
1138
01:11:37,554 --> 01:11:40,165
with two other musicians
in Munich.
1139
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:42,559
We--we had nothing to eat.
We weren't happy.
1140
01:11:42,689 --> 01:11:45,823
We wanted to be stars.
We want to get up on top.
1141
01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:47,955
So suddenly, this guy gave us
a chance and we took it.
1142
01:11:48,086 --> 01:11:49,522
He gave us a little bit money.
1143
01:11:49,653 --> 01:11:53,091
We were young, naive,
and we believed him.
1144
01:11:53,221 --> 01:11:55,223
It was an opportunity for us.
1145
01:11:55,354 --> 01:11:58,314
We feel really, really sorry
about our fans,
1146
01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:02,709
but we just hope that they
understand that we were young,
1147
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,103
that we just wanted to live
the life the American way.
1148
01:12:13,067 --> 01:12:14,678
Of course. Yeah.
1149
01:12:14,808 --> 01:12:16,723
You're absolutely right.
I was seduced.
1150
01:12:16,854 --> 01:12:18,595
You have to understand
we were seduced,
1151
01:12:18,725 --> 01:12:21,598
we were abused,
and we felt very guilty,
1152
01:12:21,728 --> 01:12:22,816
and we're happy that
it's over, you know?
1153
01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:25,079
We don't understand
that it's us,
1154
01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:26,994
the two little guys
from Germany,
1155
01:12:27,125 --> 01:12:29,257
the victims who has
to play suddenly
1156
01:12:29,388 --> 01:12:31,608
the crux of a trial
that we are not.
1157
01:12:39,833 --> 01:12:41,879
I will describe it like this.
1158
01:12:42,009 --> 01:12:43,359
You get something,
1159
01:12:43,489 --> 01:12:45,143
but for that, you make
a pact with the devil.
1160
01:12:49,887 --> 01:12:51,628
I think you should
go with this tape.
1161
01:12:51,758 --> 01:12:53,020
We give you each a tape.
1162
01:12:53,151 --> 01:12:55,022
You can take it to
a scientist--
1163
01:12:55,153 --> 01:12:57,373
But you could--
1164
01:12:57,503 --> 01:12:58,678
OK, I demonstrate!
1165
01:12:58,809 --> 01:13:01,899
Fuck it. I do it. Let's do it.
1166
01:13:02,029 --> 01:13:05,250
♪ Girl, you know it's true
1167
01:13:05,381 --> 01:13:09,907
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you
1168
01:13:10,037 --> 01:13:12,170
♪ I'm in love with you, girl,
'cause you're on my mind ♪
1169
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,520
♪ You're the one I think about
most every time ♪
1170
01:13:14,651 --> 01:13:16,827
♪ When you crack a smile
in everything you do ♪
1171
01:13:21,614 --> 01:13:23,137
Yeah, I understand--
I really understand them.
1172
01:13:23,268 --> 01:13:24,835
I have to say
I understand them.
1173
01:13:31,972 --> 01:13:34,888
- That's a good question, but--
- A lot of your fans--
1174
01:13:35,019 --> 01:13:37,761
a lot of your fans will be
very upset by the fact
1175
01:13:37,891 --> 01:13:40,981
that the only way
you can explain the charade,
1176
01:13:41,112 --> 01:13:43,941
the farce, the fakery of
the last year, two years,
1177
01:13:44,071 --> 01:13:46,030
is money.
- It's not.
1178
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,640
This is fame--
- There's no other reason.
1179
01:13:47,771 --> 01:13:50,208
That's the only pressure
that Farian put on you,
1180
01:13:50,338 --> 01:13:51,992
was financial--
- Do you live in a project?
1181
01:13:52,123 --> 01:13:53,777
Did you live in a project?
1182
01:13:53,907 --> 01:13:56,997
We had no money,
we wanted to be stars.
1183
01:13:57,128 --> 01:14:00,348
We think we are talented.
We love to be onstage.
1184
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,568
That's our first aim.
It wasn't money.
1185
01:14:02,699 --> 01:14:05,092
If we wouldn't have accept that
at the start,
1186
01:14:05,223 --> 01:14:06,877
we knew we would be
still in Munich.
1187
01:14:07,007 --> 01:14:08,095
I would still work at
the McDonalds.
1188
01:14:09,445 --> 01:14:10,837
OK, thank you very much.
1189
01:14:11,316 --> 01:14:12,839
Thank you very much.
1190
01:14:35,949 --> 01:14:38,299
They ate 'em up like sharks.
1191
01:14:39,475 --> 01:14:41,607
They were
the town spectacle.
1192
01:14:43,914 --> 01:14:46,090
New weasel boys of
the record world.
1193
01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:48,440
Did you know they were exposed
for not actually appearing on
1194
01:14:48,571 --> 01:14:49,746
their Grammy-award winning
record album?
1195
01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:51,269
They do not sing...
1196
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:52,705
- Do not sing on it at all.
- On their own record.
1197
01:14:52,836 --> 01:14:55,360
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh,
you are through ♪
1198
01:14:57,754 --> 01:15:01,061
The response was swift
and it was harsh.
1199
01:15:02,976 --> 01:15:04,804
They stopped playing on radio,
1200
01:15:04,935 --> 01:15:06,980
Arista Records took it
out of circulation,
1201
01:15:07,111 --> 01:15:08,721
and then, to top it all off,
1202
01:15:08,852 --> 01:15:10,984
there were, like, two dozen
class action lawsuits
1203
01:15:11,115 --> 01:15:12,899
from fans who were just pissed.
1204
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:15,554
A California woman who
bought the album for her son
1205
01:15:15,685 --> 01:15:17,338
is suing to get a refund.
1206
01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:18,731
When I listened to the music,
1207
01:15:18,862 --> 01:15:20,951
I would sort of picture them singing,
1208
01:15:21,081 --> 01:15:22,692
and that's--that's how
I looked up to them.
1209
01:15:22,822 --> 01:15:25,129
They sued them for fraud
and racketeering.
1210
01:15:25,259 --> 01:15:26,739
Listen carefully
to this important message
1211
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:28,219
about a pending
Milli Vanilli lawsuit
1212
01:15:28,349 --> 01:15:31,135
that may affect your rights.
1213
01:15:31,265 --> 01:15:33,920
I remember being surprised
by the animosity,
1214
01:15:34,051 --> 01:15:35,661
and the amount of anger
behind that
1215
01:15:35,792 --> 01:15:37,750
seemed outsized
for what happened.
1216
01:15:37,881 --> 01:15:39,535
I mean, Milli Vanilli,
to be clear,
1217
01:15:39,665 --> 01:15:42,146
had a largely white audience,
1218
01:15:42,276 --> 01:15:45,410
so a part of the betrayal
that was felt was,
1219
01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:47,107
"I can't believe
I listened to these Black guys
1220
01:15:47,238 --> 01:15:48,413
singing these songs and
it really wasn't them."
1221
01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:49,719
You're gonna have
a movie now,
1222
01:15:49,849 --> 01:15:52,243
"The Milli Vanilli Story."
Is that beautiful?
1223
01:15:52,373 --> 01:15:54,637
I play Fab, one of the dudes
in Milli Vanilli.
1224
01:15:54,767 --> 01:15:58,728
- ♪ Girl, I love you
- ♪ I love you
1225
01:15:58,858 --> 01:16:02,079
It was really ugly to see
that sort of hostility
1226
01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:04,777
directed at Rob and Fab.
1227
01:16:04,908 --> 01:16:06,736
Rob Pilatus told
"The LA Times" that
1228
01:16:06,866 --> 01:16:10,522
his family back in Germany was
getting harassed as well.
1229
01:16:15,048 --> 01:16:17,181
Management was gone.
1230
01:16:17,311 --> 01:16:20,053
Label was gone.
1231
01:16:20,184 --> 01:16:22,534
No representative of
a major record company
1232
01:16:22,665 --> 01:16:26,669
would discuss them with CNN
on camera.
1233
01:16:26,799 --> 01:16:29,236
Frank came out of it unscathed.
1234
01:16:42,423 --> 01:16:46,036
Rob and Fab deserved to
be called out, certainly.
1235
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:48,516
But it was weird that
people didn't come down on
1236
01:16:48,647 --> 01:16:51,563
Frank and Arista and Clive
1237
01:16:51,694 --> 01:16:54,305
in the way that
you would think.
1238
01:16:54,435 --> 01:16:56,089
There was plausible
deniability, I think,
1239
01:16:56,220 --> 01:16:57,700
for Arista, anyway.
1240
01:16:57,830 --> 01:17:00,354
I mean, it was easy for them
to say, "We didn't know,"
1241
01:17:00,485 --> 01:17:02,356
and nobody could prove that
they knew it,
1242
01:17:02,487 --> 01:17:04,620
so they got off the hook.
1243
01:17:21,201 --> 01:17:22,725
I mean,
I just know personally,
1244
01:17:22,855 --> 01:17:24,335
that we knew before
the Grammys,
1245
01:17:24,465 --> 01:17:26,163
so there's no--there was
no question about it.
1246
01:17:27,730 --> 01:17:29,166
Yeah, maybe six months before.
1247
01:17:34,867 --> 01:17:36,826
"Why didn't anybody from
the label speak out,"
1248
01:17:36,956 --> 01:17:38,479
is that what you're asking me?
1249
01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:40,220
Yeah.
1250
01:17:40,351 --> 01:17:42,135
That's a--
that's a good question.
1251
01:17:42,266 --> 01:17:43,833
I mean, I can't--
1252
01:17:46,270 --> 01:17:47,619
I have to answer truthfully,
1253
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:50,578
and I would have to say that,
1254
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:54,365
that, yeah, I believe that
Clive felt that this
1255
01:17:54,495 --> 01:17:56,497
not only wasn't good
for Arista,
1256
01:17:56,628 --> 01:17:59,370
but wasn't really good for
his reputation
1257
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:01,546
and for his, you know, history.
1258
01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:07,204
The record company and
industry has all of the power,
1259
01:18:07,334 --> 01:18:09,467
so they're gonna use
everything they can
1260
01:18:09,597 --> 01:18:12,949
to point the direction at
Rob and Fab.
1261
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:14,907
"Don't look at,
we sold these million records.
1262
01:18:15,038 --> 01:18:18,432
"Don't look at the fact that
someone inside of our industry
1263
01:18:18,563 --> 01:18:21,087
"had to have known
this was going on.
1264
01:18:21,218 --> 01:18:24,743
"No, it's these two guys
who barely speak English.
1265
01:18:24,874 --> 01:18:26,876
It's their fault."
1266
01:18:42,065 --> 01:18:43,719
Not only did Frank have
no problem
1267
01:18:43,849 --> 01:18:46,243
exploiting Rob and Fab,
1268
01:18:46,373 --> 01:18:49,899
but he also seemed to
think them foolish
1269
01:18:50,029 --> 01:18:53,380
and beneath him.
1270
01:18:53,511 --> 01:18:55,861
And just like his lineage of
1271
01:18:55,992 --> 01:19:00,170
treating Black artists as disposable,
1272
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:05,001
he chose to get what he needed
and disposed of them.
1273
01:19:05,131 --> 01:19:06,350
- We regret it.
- We regretted it...
1274
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:07,917
200,000 times.
1275
01:19:08,047 --> 01:19:09,614
Lying in front of my mom,
1276
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,094
lying in front of the job.
1277
01:19:11,224 --> 01:19:12,704
- Everybody.
- Lying in front of everybody.
1278
01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:15,663
They were young,
just like me,
1279
01:19:15,794 --> 01:19:18,710
looking to achieve something
1280
01:19:18,841 --> 01:19:21,147
in the music branch,
1281
01:19:21,278 --> 01:19:23,280
just like me.
1282
01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:26,109
So what do you do?
1283
01:19:28,198 --> 01:19:33,072
You followed the light,
but it's the wrong light.
1284
01:19:33,203 --> 01:19:36,684
At the end of the tunnel,
the light goes out,
1285
01:19:36,815 --> 01:19:39,862
and what happens?
1286
01:19:39,992 --> 01:19:42,690
Don't nobody care.
1287
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:48,653
It's just another scandal.
1288
01:19:48,784 --> 01:19:51,308
And the number one new job
for Milli Vanilli, "Who cares?
1289
01:19:51,438 --> 01:19:54,137
Just as long as we don't
hear from them ever again."
1290
01:20:56,286 --> 01:20:57,983
Just when you thought
there couldn't possibly be
1291
01:20:58,114 --> 01:20:59,245
another twist to the story--
1292
01:21:11,779 --> 01:21:14,739
So, you know,
the thing about Frank,
1293
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:16,436
he's always a step ahead
of everybody, right?
1294
01:21:19,178 --> 01:21:21,398
He had already recorded
the second record,
1295
01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:23,139
and he dropped it,
1296
01:21:23,269 --> 01:21:25,010
like, right after
this whole thing blew up.
1297
01:21:28,622 --> 01:21:30,537
Frank Farian called me up
and said,
1298
01:21:30,668 --> 01:21:34,063
"John, now you and Brad are
gonna be stars of the show."
1299
01:21:34,193 --> 01:21:36,413
♪ Elaborate on the microphone
1300
01:21:36,543 --> 01:21:38,284
♪ Pumping some knowledge
'cause my brain ain't stoned ♪
1301
01:21:38,415 --> 01:21:39,807
It's called
The Real Milli Vanilli,
1302
01:21:39,938 --> 01:21:42,245
"The Moment of Truth."
1303
01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:46,205
But again,
it's all another facade.
1304
01:21:46,336 --> 01:21:47,990
This guy was never
in the band.
1305
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,731
He's just another guy
who Frank recruited.
1306
01:21:50,862 --> 01:21:52,864
That girl had nothing to
do with the first album,
1307
01:21:52,995 --> 01:21:55,084
she had nothing to do with
the second album.
1308
01:21:55,214 --> 01:21:58,914
We are still on that album,
Jodie and I.
1309
01:21:59,044 --> 01:22:03,222
But Frank said, no touring,
no video, no being seen.
1310
01:22:03,353 --> 01:22:05,572
♪ Listen to what he says
1311
01:22:05,703 --> 01:22:06,878
"Linda, hope you understand.
1312
01:22:07,009 --> 01:22:08,097
"I have a certain
look that I want.
1313
01:22:08,227 --> 01:22:09,750
You're not Black."
1314
01:22:09,881 --> 01:22:11,709
♪ I'm not into bragging,
strutting, or bigotry ♪
1315
01:22:11,839 --> 01:22:13,841
♪ Or bigotry
1316
01:22:13,972 --> 01:22:16,235
Don't ask me how I felt.
Well, go ahead, ask me.
1317
01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:18,063
- Yeah, how did you feel?
- I felt horrible!
1318
01:22:18,194 --> 01:22:19,804
Oh, I was incensed.
1319
01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:23,764
♪ Keep on running, baby
1320
01:22:23,895 --> 01:22:26,245
You've got to be kidding me.
1321
01:22:26,376 --> 01:22:28,682
It was almost as big a lie
as the first Milli Vanilli.
1322
01:22:28,813 --> 01:22:30,467
♪ Keep on running
1323
01:22:30,597 --> 01:22:32,817
- This was Frank's MO.
- ♪ Baby
1324
01:22:32,948 --> 01:22:35,037
He already did Boney M.,
1325
01:22:35,167 --> 01:22:38,736
and then Milli Vanilli,
and he's like, "Hey, man,
1326
01:22:38,866 --> 01:22:40,781
this is
my 'Fast and Furious 10'."
1327
01:22:40,912 --> 01:22:42,131
I'm just gonna keep
making these things
1328
01:22:42,261 --> 01:22:44,263
because you love 'em,"
1329
01:22:44,394 --> 01:22:47,875
so why would
he change his stripes?
1330
01:22:52,271 --> 01:22:55,100
Do you know what they are
doing now, Rob and Fab?
1331
01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:57,059
Well, they have
a new single out--
1332
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:59,104
- It's not out yet.
- It's not out actually.
1333
01:22:59,235 --> 01:23:00,801
They don't--
they don't have a label.
1334
01:23:00,932 --> 01:23:02,934
A lot of record companies are
scared to touch them right now
1335
01:23:03,065 --> 01:23:04,980
because, well, if you know
somebody can't sing,
1336
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:06,372
why produce them?
1337
01:23:06,503 --> 01:23:09,027
So you want to sing
a little bit for us?
1338
01:23:09,158 --> 01:23:11,377
Yeah, we come in here
with our live band
1339
01:23:11,508 --> 01:23:12,509
and we would love to sing.
1340
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:13,814
No, how about right now?
1341
01:23:13,945 --> 01:23:15,338
Sing something off your album.
1342
01:23:15,468 --> 01:23:17,949
- Um...
1343
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,516
Some of the verse from
the first single?
1344
01:23:19,646 --> 01:23:22,301
Uh, yeah, OK.
1345
01:23:22,432 --> 01:23:24,782
♪ Girl
Back together.
1346
01:23:24,912 --> 01:23:26,175
♪ Girl
1347
01:23:26,305 --> 01:23:30,483
both:
♪ Do you want to get it on
1348
01:23:30,614 --> 01:23:34,313
♪ Then tell me now
1349
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:38,187
Now Rob and Fab are
courageously trying to
1350
01:23:38,317 --> 01:23:40,972
make a comeback,
real voices and all.
1351
01:23:41,103 --> 01:23:44,367
both: ♪ I just want to be
your everything ♪
1352
01:23:44,497 --> 01:23:46,847
For the last year, they've
been working on a new album,
1353
01:23:46,978 --> 01:23:49,198
on the dance steps,
and on the singing.
1354
01:23:49,328 --> 01:23:51,548
They've got a new sexy video.
1355
01:23:51,678 --> 01:23:55,508
♪ Girl, can you tell me now
1356
01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:58,033
♪ Straight up what's up
1357
01:23:58,163 --> 01:24:00,209
♪ So what's a man
supposed to do ♪
1358
01:24:00,339 --> 01:24:05,431
♪ Oh
- ♪ Do you want to get it on
1359
01:24:06,998 --> 01:24:09,522
So this is
the "We Can Get It On"
1360
01:24:09,653 --> 01:24:13,091
12 inch LP single by Rob & Fab.
1361
01:24:13,222 --> 01:24:15,267
They're just, like, badasses,
you know?
1362
01:24:15,398 --> 01:24:17,313
They're like,
"Yeah, we're hot. We know it."
1363
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:24,146
The expectation of the record
was based on curiosity alone
1364
01:24:24,276 --> 01:24:27,714
they could sell a million
copies of the record.
1365
01:24:27,845 --> 01:24:32,589
But the Rob & Fab album
sold 2,000 copies worldwide,
1366
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:36,767
which is not good.
1367
01:24:36,897 --> 01:24:39,683
By the time the
Rob & Fab record came out,
1368
01:24:39,813 --> 01:24:41,815
people were just
not that interested
1369
01:24:41,946 --> 01:24:43,208
in the spectacle anymore.
1370
01:25:01,705 --> 01:25:08,277
That's when we... grew apart.
1371
01:25:08,407 --> 01:25:12,672
Rob was going in
his own tunnel
1372
01:25:12,803 --> 01:25:15,240
and didn't want to come out, really.
1373
01:25:33,519 --> 01:25:38,263
The team Rob and Fab
had fractured.
1374
01:25:38,394 --> 01:25:43,573
He didn't see me as--
as his brother anymore.
1375
01:25:43,703 --> 01:25:45,749
And that hurt.
1376
01:26:18,347 --> 01:26:20,175
Now, where have you been
for the past six years?
1377
01:26:20,305 --> 01:26:22,089
Well, the past six years,
I was in Los Angeles
1378
01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:23,569
undercover, you know,
doing my thing.
1379
01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:25,005
You have an accent.
Where are you from?
1380
01:26:25,136 --> 01:26:26,006
I'm from Paris. I'm French.
1381
01:26:26,137 --> 01:26:27,443
- From Paris.
- Yeah.
1382
01:26:27,573 --> 01:26:29,096
Now, listen,
you've got some new music...
1383
01:26:29,227 --> 01:26:30,576
That's true, yeah.
1384
01:26:30,707 --> 01:26:32,796
And you are actually singing
on this damn thing.
1385
01:26:32,926 --> 01:26:34,624
- That's right.
- Yeah.
1386
01:26:34,754 --> 01:26:36,887
Put it together
for Fabrice Morvan.
1387
01:26:38,758 --> 01:26:41,718
♪ Come on, children
1388
01:26:41,848 --> 01:26:44,373
both:
♪ If you see what I see
1389
01:26:44,503 --> 01:26:46,897
♪ And you know what I feel
1390
01:26:47,027 --> 01:26:49,073
For me,
performing was vindication.
1391
01:26:49,204 --> 01:26:52,598
both:
♪ And we'll find a solution
1392
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:55,732
I was able to, like,
blossom as a singer
1393
01:26:55,862 --> 01:26:58,169
and do what I was supposed
to do in the first place.
1394
01:26:58,300 --> 01:27:04,131
♪ Everybody,
join the love revolution ♪
1395
01:27:06,525 --> 01:27:08,135
- Lovely!
- Come on.
1396
01:27:08,266 --> 01:27:09,615
- Hi, baby.
- Hi.
1397
01:27:09,746 --> 01:27:12,227
Hey, listen.
Do you ever see Rob anymore?
1398
01:27:12,357 --> 01:27:14,359
Well, we don't talk
as much as we used to
1399
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:15,534
because he's doing
his own thing,
1400
01:27:15,665 --> 01:27:16,709
I'm doing my own thing,
you know?
1401
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,276
We kind of went apart,
you know?
1402
01:27:18,407 --> 01:27:20,104
Bands broke up and
they do their own thing.
1403
01:27:20,235 --> 01:27:21,236
- Sure.
- That's what happened.
1404
01:27:21,366 --> 01:27:22,628
You done joined
the love revolution.
1405
01:27:22,759 --> 01:27:24,500
- That's right.
- Where do I sign up?
1406
01:27:29,635 --> 01:27:33,770
I was at The Viper Room.
1407
01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:36,816
I was outside.
1408
01:27:36,947 --> 01:27:41,430
I see a dude stumbling
across the way.
1409
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,433
As he was falling,
his body turned
1410
01:27:44,563 --> 01:27:46,826
and I looked into his eyes
and I was like,
1411
01:27:46,957 --> 01:27:49,089
"Oh, my God. This is not true."
1412
01:27:51,918 --> 01:27:55,618
I'm looking at Rob Pilatus.
1413
01:27:55,748 --> 01:27:57,315
So I crossed the street,
1414
01:27:57,446 --> 01:27:58,751
I picked him up,
1415
01:27:58,882 --> 01:28:02,973
and I said, "Hey, Rob.
It's Fab."
1416
01:28:04,801 --> 01:28:06,455
"Rob, it's Fab.
1417
01:28:06,585 --> 01:28:08,935
Where do you live?"
1418
01:28:09,066 --> 01:28:11,895
And then he said, "There.
1419
01:28:13,418 --> 01:28:16,116
So we ring the doorbell.
1420
01:28:16,247 --> 01:28:17,683
We're like,
"Hey, we're there with Rob.
1421
01:28:17,814 --> 01:28:20,512
Like, this is
where he live, yes?"
1422
01:28:20,643 --> 01:28:23,036
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bring him in.
1423
01:28:23,167 --> 01:28:24,603
"It's our boy, man.
We--you know,
1424
01:28:24,734 --> 01:28:27,171
he--sometimes,
he just wanders."
1425
01:28:27,302 --> 01:28:29,216
And I'm like,
"Oh, that looks like
1426
01:28:29,347 --> 01:28:30,566
a crack house to me, man."
1427
01:28:32,959 --> 01:28:37,137
They were doing heavy drugs
in that--in that room.
1428
01:28:39,139 --> 01:28:43,666
I'm not surprised
'cause I heard
1429
01:28:43,796 --> 01:28:46,233
that's what he's been doing
for a long time.
1430
01:28:46,364 --> 01:28:49,106
But to actually see
1431
01:28:49,236 --> 01:28:52,414
my brother in the street
1432
01:28:52,544 --> 01:28:54,981
looking like this,
1433
01:28:55,112 --> 01:28:58,594
and looking back at
my dude in his prime...
1434
01:29:02,772 --> 01:29:06,428
Man, it was like, "Phew."
1435
01:29:06,558 --> 01:29:09,996
I didn't know what to say.
1436
01:29:51,429 --> 01:29:53,388
What'd they do?
They just pulled you over?
1437
01:29:53,518 --> 01:29:54,824
Yeah, they pulled me over, man.
1438
01:29:54,954 --> 01:29:56,303
Unfortunately.
1439
01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:10,274
He was lost.
Everything had failed.
1440
01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:13,233
He had not been satisfied with
anything that he'd ever done.
1441
01:31:20,953 --> 01:31:24,522
He came back from
Oberberg Clinic
1442
01:31:24,653 --> 01:31:29,527
and he stayed at a hotel
close to my house.
1443
01:31:29,658 --> 01:31:32,182
Next morning, 10:00,
I called, no answer.
1444
01:31:32,312 --> 01:31:33,488
11:00, no answer.
1445
01:31:33,618 --> 01:31:35,272
12:00, no answer.
1446
01:31:37,187 --> 01:31:39,972
At 2:00, I said, "I'm going to
the hotel right now."
1447
01:31:40,103 --> 01:31:43,976
And we go to his door
1448
01:31:44,107 --> 01:31:46,544
and the chain was from inside,
1449
01:31:46,675 --> 01:31:49,982
so the house master
has to open it.
1450
01:31:52,724 --> 01:31:56,859
And--and he was laying there
on--on the floor,
1451
01:31:56,989 --> 01:32:00,558
just with shorts.
1452
01:32:03,605 --> 01:32:04,910
Yeah.
1453
01:32:05,041 --> 01:32:06,521
And I was...
1454
01:32:46,865 --> 01:32:48,519
The call came in.
1455
01:32:48,650 --> 01:32:50,608
"Rob is dead."
1456
01:32:51,914 --> 01:32:54,090
I was like, "Wow."
1457
01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:58,616
And then I went into, like,
a state of shock.
1458
01:32:58,747 --> 01:33:02,228
And I didn't move for
a long time.
1459
01:34:23,222 --> 01:34:25,485
I lost a family member.
1460
01:34:27,879 --> 01:34:29,664
I lost a brother.
1461
01:34:33,363 --> 01:34:37,497
I lost someone that was there
with me, walking in my shoes.
1462
01:34:42,154 --> 01:34:44,461
You know?
1463
01:34:48,334 --> 01:34:49,858
That's it.
1464
01:35:07,745 --> 01:35:11,880
When I went to Holland,
1465
01:35:12,010 --> 01:35:14,926
I was running away
from my past.
1466
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,020
He'd introduced himself
as Fabrice,
1467
01:35:22,151 --> 01:35:25,110
but I didn't know who he was.
1468
01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:29,201
He had such short hair,
1469
01:35:29,332 --> 01:35:33,118
and he has a different face
when he has short hair.
1470
01:35:33,249 --> 01:35:34,816
So in the beginning, actually,
when we were dating,
1471
01:35:34,946 --> 01:35:36,687
people were like,
"Hey, Tessa, hey, Tessa."
1472
01:35:36,818 --> 01:35:38,558
"Hey, I'll see you tomorrow,"
and, you know,
1473
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:40,169
I was the one being recognized.
1474
01:35:40,299 --> 01:35:45,348
So there was no signs that
he was Milli Vanilli.
1475
01:35:47,742 --> 01:35:49,265
We had just fun together,
1476
01:35:49,395 --> 01:35:50,570
and we were working out together,
1477
01:35:50,701 --> 01:35:53,269
and we had those dates.
1478
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:55,358
I start to really
like this guy,
1479
01:35:55,488 --> 01:35:57,012
and you talk with
your friends about,
1480
01:35:57,142 --> 01:36:00,319
you know,
your new dating experience.
1481
01:36:00,450 --> 01:36:02,495
One of them said,
"Dude, that's Milli Vanilli.
1482
01:36:02,626 --> 01:36:04,149
Hello."
1483
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:05,585
And I was like, "Well, OK.
1484
01:36:05,716 --> 01:36:07,413
"If that's Milli Vanilli, fine,
1485
01:36:07,544 --> 01:36:09,154
because I like Fabrice, so..."
1486
01:36:12,244 --> 01:36:18,642
I didn't think she would,
like, want to be with me.
1487
01:36:18,773 --> 01:36:23,038
I had to tell her, "Listen,
my life is not great."
1488
01:36:23,168 --> 01:36:25,867
I was like,
"Well, don't worry, you know?
1489
01:36:25,997 --> 01:36:27,564
I got you."
1490
01:36:32,656 --> 01:36:33,831
You already, Sach?
1491
01:36:33,962 --> 01:36:35,050
Drum roll.
1492
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:37,530
One, two, and three.
1493
01:36:37,661 --> 01:36:40,446
Flip!
- Oh!
1494
01:36:40,577 --> 01:36:42,709
When Sacha came,
1495
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,147
when Solange came,
1496
01:36:45,277 --> 01:36:50,587
and now Vince and Paris came,
1497
01:36:50,717 --> 01:36:53,329
then things started
flourishing all around me.
1498
01:36:53,459 --> 01:36:55,157
What?
- Hey, Sacha, look!
1499
01:36:55,287 --> 01:36:56,506
He's holding the bottle.
1500
01:36:56,636 --> 01:36:58,334
That's a first.
1501
01:36:58,464 --> 01:37:00,336
Look at that.
- Cute.
1502
01:37:03,121 --> 01:37:05,515
It's amazing
1503
01:37:05,645 --> 01:37:08,648
to realize that
there is another side
1504
01:37:08,779 --> 01:37:10,825
at the end of the tunnel.
1505
01:37:10,955 --> 01:37:12,652
- Together.
- Together?
1506
01:37:12,783 --> 01:37:16,004
- Pink.
- You want pink? OK.
1507
01:37:16,134 --> 01:37:18,354
It changed everything for me,
1508
01:37:18,484 --> 01:37:20,573
and that part was like,
"Hey..."
1509
01:37:20,704 --> 01:37:22,227
Well done, Sach.
1510
01:37:22,358 --> 01:37:25,927
"You don't have to be ashamed
about nothing."
1511
01:37:33,935 --> 01:37:35,371
Because of the way
human beings and
1512
01:37:35,501 --> 01:37:38,548
their minds are built,
1513
01:37:38,678 --> 01:37:43,814
Milli Vanilli's legacy is
they deceived the public
1514
01:37:43,945 --> 01:37:47,731
and tried to get away with it,
and then they didn't.
1515
01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:51,866
But what it should be
is a cautionary tale.
1516
01:37:55,173 --> 01:37:58,133
All of the answers about
how pop music is made
1517
01:37:58,263 --> 01:38:02,006
rest in this story.
1518
01:38:02,137 --> 01:38:06,054
What we want to believe
our pop musicians to be
1519
01:38:06,184 --> 01:38:07,446
versus what they actually are.
1520
01:38:11,537 --> 01:38:16,716
Show business is all part of
an illusion.
1521
01:38:16,847 --> 01:38:20,068
But that is what pop music
is supposed to do.
1522
01:38:20,198 --> 01:38:22,809
It's supposed to take us to
an elsewhere.
1523
01:38:25,464 --> 01:38:29,033
Even if we say, "These people
deceived the public,"
1524
01:38:29,164 --> 01:38:30,687
so fucking what?
1525
01:38:32,863 --> 01:38:34,299
Who was this harming?
1526
01:38:39,174 --> 01:38:42,481
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you
1527
01:38:42,612 --> 01:38:44,919
I've met people that told me,
1528
01:38:45,049 --> 01:38:47,486
"Because of your voice,
1529
01:38:47,617 --> 01:38:49,924
my daughter's here today."
1530
01:38:51,621 --> 01:38:55,016
It was such a big thing
for a lot of people.
1531
01:38:55,146 --> 01:38:59,063
So many people went to their
high school prom with that.
1532
01:38:59,194 --> 01:39:01,892
That was good music,
1533
01:39:02,023 --> 01:39:03,546
and it's good music today.
1534
01:39:05,896 --> 01:39:08,116
There's no real crime here,
1535
01:39:08,246 --> 01:39:09,247
if we're being honest.
1536
01:39:12,990 --> 01:39:14,861
But it cost a life.
1537
01:39:18,517 --> 01:39:23,392
It also cost both of them
lives that they could have had.
1538
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:32,140
And the heartbreaking thing is
that their legacy then became
1539
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:34,403
that of a punch line.
1540
01:39:42,324 --> 01:39:48,373
There was a time when
I would avoid going in public
1541
01:39:48,504 --> 01:39:53,683
because when I heard someone laugh,
1542
01:39:53,813 --> 01:39:56,729
I always thought it was
directed to me.
1543
01:40:00,429 --> 01:40:05,651
But now I've reached a point
where I've embraced the past.
1544
01:40:09,003 --> 01:40:12,876
I'm proud of being
Milli Vanilli.
1545
01:40:13,007 --> 01:40:15,531
I'm proud of being who I am.
1546
01:40:23,626 --> 01:40:26,672
We're going back down
memory lane with some more.
1547
01:40:29,066 --> 01:40:31,503
♪ Woo
1548
01:40:33,723 --> 01:40:36,117
♪ Got to blame it on
something ♪
1549
01:40:36,247 --> 01:40:39,598
♪ Got to blame it on something,
come on ♪
1550
01:40:39,729 --> 01:40:44,560
♪ Blame it on the rain
that was falling, falling ♪
1551
01:40:44,690 --> 01:40:49,695
♪ Blame it on the stars
that didn't shine that night ♪
1552
01:40:49,826 --> 01:40:54,744
♪ Whatever you do,
don't put the blame on you ♪
1553
01:40:54,874 --> 01:40:58,487
♪ Blame it on the rain,
yeah, yeah ♪
1554
01:40:58,617 --> 01:41:00,532
When people think of
Milli Vanilli...
1555
01:41:00,663 --> 01:41:02,143
♪ You can blame it
on the rain ♪
1556
01:41:02,273 --> 01:41:04,580
The one thing I want people
to think of is that
1557
01:41:04,710 --> 01:41:05,755
when you fall...
1558
01:41:05,885 --> 01:41:07,235
♪ And the rain don't care
1559
01:41:07,365 --> 01:41:08,758
You can stand back up.
1560
01:41:08,888 --> 01:41:12,066
♪ You got to blame it
on something ♪
1561
01:41:12,196 --> 01:41:14,068
♪ Blame it on the rain
1562
01:41:14,198 --> 01:41:18,507
And Rob is part of that.
1563
01:41:18,637 --> 01:41:22,380
I am honoring his name
every time I perform onstage.
1564
01:41:22,511 --> 01:41:26,689
♪ Whatever you do,
don't put the blame on you ♪
1565
01:41:26,819 --> 01:41:29,953
You fall, you stand back up,
and you reinvent yourself.
1566
01:41:30,084 --> 01:41:34,523
♪ Yeah, yeah
1567
01:41:34,653 --> 01:41:37,091
That's the legacy.
1568
01:41:37,221 --> 01:41:42,052
♪ Blame it on the rain
that was falling, falling ♪
1569
01:41:42,183 --> 01:41:44,272
crowd:
♪ Blame it on the stars
1570
01:41:44,402 --> 01:41:47,057
♪ That didn't shine
that night ♪
1571
01:41:47,188 --> 01:41:52,280
♪ Whatever you do,
don't put the blame on you ♪
1572
01:41:52,410 --> 01:41:55,805
♪ Blame it on the rain
1573
01:41:55,935 --> 01:42:01,115
♪ Yeah, yeah
1574
01:42:32,668 --> 01:42:34,887
♪ Baby, don't be shy
when you're holding my hand ♪
1575
01:42:35,018 --> 01:42:37,194
♪ 'Cause as time goes by,
you got to understand ♪
1576
01:42:37,325 --> 01:42:38,978
♪ It's you
1577
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:41,981
♪ That it's with you
1578
01:42:42,112 --> 01:42:44,636
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby, in your
eyes I see it so clearly ♪
1579
01:42:44,767 --> 01:42:47,987
♪ That our love is so strong
and you never go wrong ♪
1580
01:42:48,118 --> 01:42:51,687
- ♪ Baby
- ♪ I did the best for you
1581
01:42:51,817 --> 01:42:54,080
♪ So when you're in doubt
and you're needing someone ♪
1582
01:42:54,211 --> 01:42:57,562
♪ Baby, call my line,
call me anytime ♪
1583
01:42:57,693 --> 01:42:59,825
- ♪ Baby
- ♪ I'll be there for you
1584
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:07,137
♪ I've been searching high
- ♪ High
1585
01:43:07,268 --> 01:43:09,444
♪ I've been searching low
1586
01:43:11,228 --> 01:43:12,490
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba
1587
01:43:12,621 --> 01:43:16,277
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby
1588
01:43:16,407 --> 01:43:20,803
♪ Don't forget my number
1589
01:43:20,933 --> 01:43:26,069
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba,
ba-ba-ba-ba baby ♪
1590
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:30,378
♪ Love is stronger
than thunder ♪
1591
01:43:30,508 --> 01:43:35,296
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba,
ba-ba-ba-ba baby ♪
1592
01:43:35,426 --> 01:43:40,170
♪ Don't forget my number
1593
01:43:40,301 --> 01:43:44,566
♪ Love will see you through
1594
01:43:44,696 --> 01:43:49,223
♪ I've been searching high
1595
01:43:49,353 --> 01:43:54,793
♪ I've been searching low
1596
01:43:54,924 --> 01:43:58,014
♪ Want to spend my life
1597
01:43:58,144 --> 01:44:02,018
♪ With you
1598
01:44:02,148 --> 01:44:04,325
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
1599
01:44:04,455 --> 01:44:06,849
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba
1600
01:44:06,979 --> 01:44:09,199
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
1601
01:44:09,330 --> 01:44:11,549
♪ And I dance with you
1602
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,943
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
1603
01:44:14,073 --> 01:44:16,337
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba
1604
01:44:16,467 --> 01:44:18,556
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
1605
01:44:18,687 --> 01:44:22,386
♪ Love will see you through
1606
01:44:22,517 --> 01:44:24,867
♪ Ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes
I can it so good ♪
1607
01:44:24,997 --> 01:44:28,436
♪ That our love is so strong
and you never go wrong ♪
1608
01:44:28,566 --> 01:44:32,048
- ♪ Baby
- ♪ I do my best for you
1609
01:44:32,178 --> 01:44:34,398
♪ So when you're in doubt
and you're needing someone ♪
1610
01:44:34,529 --> 01:44:38,010
♪ Baby, call my line,
call me anytime ♪
1611
01:44:38,141 --> 01:44:40,143
- ♪ Baby
- ♪ I'll be there for you
1612
01:44:40,274 --> 01:44:42,493
♪ You, you
1613
01:44:42,624 --> 01:44:47,411
♪ I've been searching high
- ♪ High
1614
01:44:47,542 --> 01:44:51,633
- ♪ I've been searching low
- ♪ Low
1615
01:44:51,763 --> 01:44:52,634
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba
1616
01:44:52,764 --> 01:44:56,681
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby
1617
01:44:56,812 --> 01:45:01,077
♪ Don't forget my number
1618
01:45:01,207 --> 01:45:02,426
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba
1619
01:45:02,557 --> 01:45:06,343
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby
1620
01:45:06,474 --> 01:45:10,565
♪ Love is stronger
than thunder ♪
1621
01:45:10,695 --> 01:45:11,914
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba
1622
01:45:12,044 --> 01:45:15,874
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby
1623
01:45:16,005 --> 01:45:20,488
♪ Don't forget my number
1624
01:45:20,618 --> 01:45:24,796
♪ Love will see you through
1625
01:45:24,927 --> 01:45:27,799
♪ I've been searching high
1626
01:45:29,671 --> 01:45:35,198
♪ I've been searching low
1627
01:45:35,329 --> 01:45:38,375
♪ Want to spend my life
1628
01:45:38,506 --> 01:45:42,423
♪ With you
1629
01:45:42,553 --> 01:45:44,773
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
1630
01:45:44,903 --> 01:45:47,123
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba
1631
01:45:47,253 --> 01:45:49,081
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
1632
01:45:49,212 --> 01:45:53,477
♪ Love will see you through
1633
01:45:53,608 --> 01:45:57,960
♪ [vocalizing]
1634
01:45:58,090 --> 01:46:00,354
♪ Baby, call my line,
baby, call my line ♪
1635
01:46:00,484 --> 01:46:02,704
♪ [vocalizing]
1636
01:46:02,834 --> 01:46:05,271
♪ Call me anytime
1637
01:46:05,402 --> 01:46:06,838
♪ [vocalizing]
1638
01:46:06,969 --> 01:46:10,842
♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby
1639
01:46:10,973 --> 01:46:15,543
♪ Don't forget my number
1640
01:46:15,673 --> 01:46:18,459
♪ Love will see you through
1641
01:46:18,589 --> 01:46:20,461
- Is Eddie OK?
- I don't know.
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