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- Good afternoon, I'm Colonel Robert Evanchick,

Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police.

While I monitored the investigation

into the horrific murders

of the University of Idaho students,

I did not imagine the investigation

would lead to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

In the early-morning hours of Friday, December 30th,

warrants were executed at the location.

Mr. Kohberger was then turned over

to the Monroe County Prison,

where he has remained in their custody since.

- The families of the victims might have found a little bit

of comfort in knowing the person who had allegedly come

for their children at night was apprehended in the dark,

when he was most vulnerable.

- The tactical team burst in to arrest

the Idaho murder suspect.

He was in pajamas and latex gloves,

stuffing trash into Ziploc bags.

- They went in there like a SWAT team,

kicking open the door.

They had a helicopter above the home.

- They watched his ass like a fucking hawk.

And then they went in for the big kill, bitch.

- How they got Bryan Kohberger,

I am still wondering.

- It almost seems like he did this

as some sort of experiment.

- I don't think he was by himself.

I have heard this a lot.

- You don't listen to the mainstream media.

And you got to be careful who your sources are.

You want to know the truth,

you got to go find it yourself.

- There's more coming. So stay tuned.

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- After 19,000 tips in a quadruple-murder case

that drew nationwide attention...

- Last night, detectives arrested 28-year-old

Bryan Christopher Kohberger.

- The 28-year-old is a PhD criminology student

at Washington State University,

just a 10-minute drive to the Idaho campus.

- There he is, right there in custody.

- It's been several hours.

This is fresh and new information.

And it's shocking.

The reason why it's so shocking, guys,

is because he had a background in criminology.

He studied the mind of criminals.

Just think about that for a second.

- He's a PhD student studying criminology,

studying how to get away with murder.

- The alleged killer is also a true-crime obsessive.

I mean, you have to be in order to devote

your life to studying criminology, right?

It just blew people's minds, you know?

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- Hey, guys, Bullhorn Betty here in Moscow, Idaho.

This is what we've all been here waiting for.

This is--we wanted to know who.

Who did such a horrific crime like this?

And then come to find out, it's this criminology guy.

He seems so smart.

- The fact that they tracked him

down in Pennsylvania, that means that someone

was on top of their job.

- Thank you for coming today.

Last night, in conjunction

with the Pennsylvania State Police,

Federal Bureau of Investigation,

detectives arrested 28-year-old Bryan Christopher Kohberger

in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.

I recognize the frustration

with the lack of information that's been released.

However, providing any details in this criminal investigation

might have tainted the upcoming criminal prosecution

or alerted the suspect of our progress.

However, I do want to thank our media partners for the help.

You kept this in the news.

You helped us with tips. You kept things going.

And we truly appreciate that.

And you are the product of those 19,000 tips

that we received, which is an impressive number.

I would like to invite Bill Thompson up at this time.

- Good afternoon, folks. My name's Bill Thompson.

I'm the Latah County Prosecutor.

This is not the end of this investigation.

You all now know the name of the person who's been charged

with these offenses.

Please get that information out there.

Please ask the public,

anyone who knows about this individual

to come forward to help the investigators

understand what happened and why.

- You guys can see how the public has already played

such a huge role in the tips.

You can see that that has clearly been

working to their advantage.

So please continue to keep this in the spotlight.

Continue to talk about this.

- Police have to walk a fine line

between providing information

that is valid, that can help the public know where

to look so that they can contribute

and tainting their investigation.

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- We are in front of Bryan Kohberger's home.

As you see behind me, all the yellow tape--

the crime scene tape that was here yesterday

has been removed.

We're following this case.

We're going to be out here hitting the pavement.

And we're gonna be finding out as much as we can

about Bryan Kohberger.

- Authorities have not disclosed a motive

or if he had a connection to the students.

But we are learning more

about just who Bryan Kohberger is.

- This case, people want to know more

because of this mysteriousness of, why did he do this?

Were they targeted, and, like, why were they targeted?

And all these things.

So people want to know as much information as possible.

And I provide this to them.

And TikTok is so different than other platforms

because you get it all in 30 seconds.

We're living in a generation now where

we have short attention spans.

To watch something on the news,

you might have to sit through five minutes.

TikTok, it's like, boom,

in 30 seconds, I just told you everything.

Bryan Kohberger was studying for his PhD

in criminal justice at Washington State University.

Before coming to Wazzu, he was taught by a famous professor

named Dr. Katherine Ramsland

at DeSales University of Pennsylvania.

She is the author that published

"How to Catch a Killer" and "The Mind of a Murderer."

And I remember a few hours after he was arrested,

on Reddit, the survey that he had created.

- In a post that was removed on Reddit,

Bryan Kohberger sought participation

in a research project...

- That seeks to understand how emotions

and psychological traits influence decision making

when committing a crime.

And this was back in April that he made this public post.

- He really wanted to know how people felt

when they were committing a crime.

And it just didn't feel scientific.

It felt personal.

It felt like he was trying to live

vicariously through these other people's stories.

- How relevant or irrelevant that is

is still a big question.

You cannot suddenly think that somebody

is a suspect because they're fascinated by crime,

because that would mean

that every single web sleuth out there,

every person consuming true crime,

every student of criminology, every attorney,

every journalist, every investigator

has the potential of being a criminal.

- The following is an interview

with someone who used to be friends with Bryan Kohberger.

They went to high school together.

- He liked to, like, analyze why

people have certain emotions.

He didn't always understand

why people would react to things

the way that they do, almost like he didn't understand

human emotion properly.

I know for a time he struggled with something

that he called visual migraines.

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- So everyone's favorite creep

had an old social-media account

talking about his visual snow

and how he has no empathy and losing his mind.

- In his digital footprints, they said,

even though these were written years ago,

not being able to feel emotions

and observing his own life as if it were a video game.

He said, "Whatever I want with little remorse."

- It was such a strange detail.

And if it's true, it really gives...

unique insight into how his mind works.

- They apparently found this guy across the country,

across the literal country in Pennsylvania.

How the fuck did he get all the way across the country?

- The public defender representing Kohberger

in the extradition says about a month after the murders,

his client went on a road trip home

to Pennsylvania with his father

that was planned at the beginning of the semester.

They were in a white Hyundai Elantra.

It's the same make and model of the vehicle spotted

near the scene of the murders.

- "'Idaho murder suspect pulled over

'twice on cross-country race home

with dad,' lawyer claims."

I believe once for speeding

and once for following too closely

to a car in front of them.

- Hello. - How you doing?

- How y'all doing today?

- Do you think it was a coinkydink that they

were stopped twice in Indiana?

- Oh, okay.

- At that point, I believe Bryan Kohberger thought,

whoa, I am being looked at.

There's no way in the world

this was just some sort of fortuitous,

you know, pulling me over.

- I 100% agree with you.

I think he looks like he has been caught in this photo.

This is just my opinion.

But I think it looks like he is about to crap his pants.

- They said he was following too close.

Now, that's usually something that's very nebulous

that can be used for an officer to say,

this is why we're pulling you over.

They were able to get close and identify them.

And they gave their story.

And they let them move on.

- There's this thing called NCIC.

It connects all the police departments--

a computer system, and you can put a warrant in there.

And every police department knows

the person is wanted, okay?

So I assume they did not have a warrant for his arrest yet.

Maybe they were waiting for something,

like the DNA to come back.

And when the DNA came back,

that's when they hit the house.

- Fox News is reporting that an FBI surveillance team

were tracking Kohberger on his cross-country road trip

from Washington State to Pennsylvania.

And they asked the Indiana police to pull him over.

And the reasoning was because they were

seeking images of his hands.

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When you zoom in, this is what you get.

You can see what appears to be maybe some cuts

around his knuckle and then on his wrist.

I turned the brightness all the way down on this photo,

and you can see it a lot better.

- When I first saw the film, it looked like there was a cut--

a very significant cut on his hand.

And so I kept looking at, where was that first scene,

that first footage?

And I tell you what, there is no footage without that cut.

None.

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- This is State of Idaho versus Bryan C. Kohberger.

Mr. Kohberger is present in court.

He's in custody.

He's appearing with his attorney, Ms. Taylor.

- Let's talk about a lady by the name of Anne Taylor.

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- The whole Internet is saying that the prosecutor is not

nearly as qualified as Anne Taylor.

- Anne Taylor used to work for his office.

You didn't know that, did you?

Because nobody vetted Anne Taylor.

Anne Taylor used to work

for the Latah County Prosecutor's Office years ago.

She's a smart lawyer, great person.

I have no problems with her.

Wouldn't you want the best lawyer

if you were sitting in jail?

Even though it's a public defender, she's a good lawyer.

She'll do a good job.

- So, with that, then, Mr. Kohberger,

you will be remanded in custody and remain

in custody on the "no bail," pending further proceedings

in this matter.

- Oh, my God. So think about this.

Anne Taylor is going to know all

of the tricks on how the prosecutor

already lawyers, right?

So she might be the only one that

could get Bryan Kohberger off.

If there is anybody that can do it, it'll be Anne Taylor.

- A judge in Moscow, Idaho,

has just dealt a huge, huge blow to the general public.

- The judge who will be hearing this case in Idaho

has placed a gag order on any person involved with the case.

- So what's that mean?

You need to shut the up.

- Basically, it's ordering investigators,

law enforcement personnel, attorneys and agents

are prohibited from making extrajudicial statements,

written or oral, concerning the case.

They are not allowed to talk to reporters.

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- The gag order is so frustrating.

- It sucks. I hate gag orders.

- And it's actually crazy,

because you never see a gag order.

When do we hear about that?

- And the judge did say, don't call it a gag order.

- It's not called that.

- That's offensive.

- So I will appreciate not using that term.

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- That's cool. Call it whatever you want.

But it hurts everyone.

- I don't know, you guys.

This is getting weirder and weirder by the minute.

- I thought the gag order was appropriate.

Keeping the case on a gag order prevents the suspect

from getting an unfair trial.

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- I can't find any case in this modern era

where a defendant got off

because the Internet or media has been talking about a case.

I think if you're gonna be open and transparent

and ask the public for help...

- Help us. - Help.

- Help us solve this case.

- We should have the right to know everything

going through the process.

So it's almost like, this is your reward for helping.

You get nothing.

- I think transparency, access to information,

access to the evidence, people being able to see and hear

what is being said helps justice.

The fact that people in social media are gonna speculate,

they're gonna speculate more in the absence of facts.

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- Y'all, Bryan goes to court. The judge issues a gag order.

And they release the PCA, all in the same goddamn day.

- Breaking news--

the affidavit was just released to the public.

It's basically going to summarize why they believe

that he is the suspect responsible

and how it links him to this.

Now, these details are very disturbing,

and they're surfacing quickly.

- The probable-cause affidavit

was like none that I've ever written

and none that I've ever read.

It was so long.

- There's a lot.

- It was so detailed.

- People want answers. People want details.

- We'll give you an inside look into why

Kohberger is being charged on four counts

of first-degree murder.

For them to come out, make an arrest,

and show that that is what he's being charged of,

they have to have some pretty good, solid evidence.

- The good guys catch the bad guy,

they're guilty and in jail, right?

They committed the crime, because the cops caught 'em.

We make mistakes.

So do doctors, so...

- I really do feel there's something much bigger

going on here.

I feel like a lot is being covered up.

- We are going to literally dig

through this entire affidavit.

- The affidavit talked about 12 times

that his phone had pinged near the general location

of 1122 King Road.

- So let's talk about cell phones.

- So, in the affidavit, they talk about the phone data--

phone calls, text messages,

and real-time location

of a cell phone within a few meters.

That is a very small area.

- The night of the murders, there was a period of time

where he had turned the cell phone off

'cause it stopped responding to the towers.

But when it was on,

it was basically catching him leaving from Pullman heading

towards Moscow, then again leaving Moscow

heading back towards Pullman once everything was done.

- That's how close he was to a bitch.

How does this happen?

- Washington State University cameras catch that car

leaving campus at 2:44 a.m.

His cell phone pings also show him leaving his house.

He turns his phone off.

- They start to discuss sightings of a white sedan.

They label it as "suspect vehicle number one."

I want to note that it is seen without a front license plate

at 3:26 and 3:28 a.m. on Styner Ave, okay?

So they're implying they saw the same vehicle on King Road

at 3:29 a.m.

Here's my problem.

How do you go from Styner Ave to King Road in one minute?

My point is, I think we're dealing

with two different white sedans here.

- They can't both be Bryan Kohberger.

- But then why would the cops put that in the affidavit

like that to create this weird narrative

that nobody can grasp

because it makes no fucking sense?

- So on November 13th, in the middle of the night,

they see video footage of Hyundai Elantra

pinging around the King Road residence.

- A white Elantra with no front license plate

is seen driving by the neighbor's Ring Cam

three times, fourth time at 4:04 a.m.

- They claim suspect vehicle number one

is seen on King Road at 3:29 a.m.

It makes three passes past the King Road residence.

And then it is seen exiting the area.

They claim that that same vehicle enters

King Road again at 4:04 a.m.

And then it's seen going back down Queen towards King,

doing a three-point turn again, trying to park.

They don't really know.

And the last time this vehicle is spotted

is seen speeding away at 4:20 a.m.

Whew!

- Now, at 4:48 a.m., the phone returns to the network.

The phone continues to move south of Moscow

down in kind of a U-shape form back to Pullman, Washington.

- They then use cameras

to basically track the car all the way back to Pullman.

- The affidavit says that suspect vehicle number one

went straight up this road and got

caught on every single camera on the way back.

- 5:30 a.m., the phone is utilizing

cell towers for Pullman,

consistent with where he lives.

Now, what's troubling is that he didn't stay in Pullman.

- Bryan's cell phone was tracked back to the house

after the murders.

Between 9:12 and 9:21 a.m.,

the phone was near the house again.

And this was on November 13th.

- Oh, my God.

After reading the affidavit a million fucking times,

I think I know why Bryan went

back to the house at 9:00-something

the next morning.

He had to have realized,

where the fuck is the holster

that I was holding my weapon in?

The knife sheath.

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- Bryan Kohberger, he thought he could get away

with the perfect crime.

But it turns out he left a part

of the murder weapon behind.

The officer that wrote the affidavit said...

- The athleticism that it took

to hold these victims down

and stab them mercilessly,

I think the sheath dislodged

without him even being aware of it.

Remember, the adrenaline, the hyperfocus

that he would have had,

even I'll call it tunnel vision.

I think it was only when he got into his vehicle

that he realized,

oh, my gosh, where is that sheath?

- Supposedly, it's a Kabar. That's what the affidavit said.

- He got it on Amazon.

But what I thought was really interesting is, you know,

here, basically, I just have the sheath itself.

And it says, "Kabar" and "United States Marine Corps."

I mean, the truth is it is a huge knife.

- To draw a knife, especially a Kabar knife,

out of this sheath-- it fits in there tight.

This isn't loosey-goosey.

And if you snap it, it takes a lot of force

to unsnap that and draw that out.

And that's why I believe we have the friction...

pull off the skin cells

from his fingers...

and not only skin cells but also the oils and other parts,

and lodge onto that snap.

- Agents in Pennsylvania

do a trash pull at the parents' house.

Trash is abandoned property. You don't need a warrant.

They get a DNA sample from the dad.

They get a sample that's this much of a match to the DNA

that was found on the sheath.

- So guilty!

He left the sheath of the knife on the bed.

And the DNA from the sheath matched

garbage outside of his house.

Oh, my God!

- The discovery of that knife sheath

is the only reason, really,

that Bryan Kohberger

sits right now accused.

- CBS News legal analyst, Rikki Klieman,

says, if that link is proved in court...

- The knife sheath places him physically

in the house at some point in time

but not necessarily on the night of the killings.

- First responders on the scene said

it was the most gruesome scene they have ever witnessed.

It was very messy.

Even blood was dripping down the outside of the house.

So there must have been DNA everywhere, right?

But in two bedrooms full of carnage,

they only found one piece of touch DNA on a movable object.

Nothing on the bodies.

- Why isn't there a ton more?

And a lot of people will say, well, there is probably more.

We just don't have it.

I highly doubt it.

And that's all I'll say. I just--I highly doubt it.

But the touch DNA...

That's even gonna be really hard to hold up in court.

It just is.

- People talk about touch DNA as if it's not DNA.

It's ridiculous.

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- Please leave your message for--

Hey, Rory. It's Olivia.

Give me a call back when you can.

Just wanted to see if you were still in town.

Rory is a YouTuber.

He hasn't been around for very long--about two months.

- And welcome to the brand-new true-crime channel

called Thou Shalt Not Kill.

I am your host and creator of the channel.

My name is Rory. So this channel will...

- I'm just kind of curious to see, what does he know?

I think my worry is that Bryan might walk.

That's my biggest fear, you know?

- Guess what.

There's a very good chance he's gonna walk,

'cause they don't have anything

other than this, you know, touch DNA

that's on a button snap on a knife sheath

that, in my opinion, I think he didn't even own

because he's a vegan

and he wouldn't own something like that,

I don't understand what else they have.

This is just my opinion.

- You know, we're talking about the Internet.

And we're talking about all the sleuths out there.

And everybody's got an opinion.

And everybody's building their own cases.

When the case is solved, someone's gonna say,

I was right, and, I was right, and, you were wrong.

The police work is a profession.

We spend a lot of time, a lot of training.

All these people think they can do our job.

- Hey, guys.

Bullhorn Betty here.

So this sheath, right?

I would assume there would have been more DNA on the item

than just one small molecule of DNA

left on the button of the sheath.

But my questions always came down

to whether Bryan Kohberger intentionally

left the sheath at the residence

to taunt law enforcement.

- Everyone described Kohberger

as being really smart, as being a brilliant student.

And everything about this crime was just sloppy.

And this is what he studies.

And so it worries me that maybe he really is smart

and this is all part of the plan.

- Was it there because he accidentally dropped it,

or did he intentionally leave it?

- I've waited to speak on this sheath of a knife

being left at the crime scene.

Now, the reason I held off on talking about this

is because an account commenting

during the investigation mentioned the sheath first.

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- Pappa Rodgers posted a lot of things.

- Most people thought this Pappa Rodgers

was this pompous jerk...

- That had a lot of inside intel.

- But the one that stuck out to everybody

is he said it's a fixed-blade knife.

And from that, Pappa Rodgers posted that he thought

they had the knife sheath.

And that was before it became public knowledge that they

have the knife sheath.

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- Bryan Kohberger's arrested on December 30th.

And we never hear from Pappa Rodgers again.

- His account went down completely after the arrest.

Crickets.

- So if he was under some alias--

And, oh, my God, the profile picture...

looks exactly like Kohberger.

- With him in that hat and that side of his face, that--

And he's had that from the beginning.

- But why would he leave a digital footprint

that blatant and obvious?

That's what I say, like, yeah, it kind of looks like him.

Like, I see what you're saying, but--

- Other criminals have done this in the past,

where they use social media to kind of throw off the people

looking into the case.

It does happen.

- Do you understand the implication?

- He was watching all of our stuff.

- We're down there with boots on the ground.

He could have been getting information from us

that helped him.

And that's not what I'd like to do.

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- Bryan Kohberger today made his second appearance

in an Idaho courtroom.

- Are you waiving your right to a speedy preliminary hearing?

- Yes.

- The preliminary hearing is now set for June 26th

to give his defense team more time to prepare.

- Berger Boy is waiving his right to a speedy trial.

And he will not have to be seen

for his preliminary hearing until June.

June?

- A judge will decide at the June hearing

if there is enough evidence for the case to move forward.

In the meantime, Kohberger remains

behind bars without bail.

- Now that they have the evidence from his car

and his computer and his apartment,

I'm pretty sure they have an airtight case, allegedly.

Keep in mind that less than 5% of criminal cases

actually go to trial.

Most people plead out.

However, this guy is a narcissist

and a sadist, allegedly.

And he is enjoying the spotlight right now.

So I think he could push it to trial,

even though it's against his best interests, allegedly,

because he wants to squeeze as much pain out of the survivors

and the victims' family as humanly possible,

allegedly.

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- Let's see.

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One of the roommates said that at 4:00 a.m.,

she heard what sounded like Kaylee playing with her dog.

And then she thought she heard her say something

like, "There's someone here."

She did at that time look out of her door.

But she didn't see anybody.

She then looked out of her door again

when she heard what sounded like a male voice saying,

"It's okay. I'm going to help you."

- Now, at 4:17 a.m., a security camera

picked up distorted audio of what sounded like voices

or a whimper followed by a loud thud.

A dog can also be heard barking on this footage.

And note that this camera was less than 50 feet

from Xana's bedroom wall.

- Then the roommate opened her door for a third time

after she heard crying.

And she saw a figure clad in black clothing

with a mask covering the person's mouth and nose

walking towards her.

- She froze in shock.

And this person walked past her

and towards the sliding door.

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- People accepted that both roommates had been asleep

at the time of the murders

and that they probably had heard nothing

and that that was why.

And as soon as these things became public,

people went after her hard.

- Everyone's got a lot of questions about the roommates,

and rightfully so.

Even when we thought they were living on the bottom floor,

the question was, why were they not attacked?

- That's what bothered me,

because they were in the home, left untouched.

You told us that they were sleeping, to begin with,

on the first floor.

They came out and said that.

Why lie about that?

And then there was a lot that I think is missing, right?

Which, in my opinion, the rest of those eight hours.

- That gap in between calling 911.

Locking herself in her room, totally understandable.

But not calling 911 for hours?

- Maybe her phone wasn't in her room.

Maybe the suspect threatened her.

Maybe she fainted and knocked herself out.

- For those of you guys who are saying I'm victim blaming,

this, that, and the third,

look, I need you to use both sides of your brains here.

Her story doesn't add up.

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- It has come out now that these girls were texting

with each other during the murders, which looks really,

really, really, really bad.

- Why in the affidavit did it say

that their texts show what times

the murders started and ended?

What the fuck was on their phones?

What were their text messages?

What the hell was on their fucking phones?

- We're only here for a noise complaint.

Come to the damn door.

Who lives here?

- Everyone wants to know

what were the roommates texting about,

and why did they take so long to call the cops?

Back in December, I spoke with a mother named Kim,

who claimed that her daughter and a group of students

were privy to the murders before the police.

But no one really believes her story because she

has remained anonymous.

I've been in touch with Kim.

And, luckily, I convinced her to meet up with me in person

and answer some questions.

I'm going to Idaho to meet this woman face-to-face.

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Maybe if other moms had come forward

and said the same thing,

then people wouldn't think she's lying.

But all we have is just Kim.

I feel like once I see her,

I will know and have a better idea of,

okay, is she telling the truth or not?

I'm pretty good at telling people's, like, vibe

just from my gut instincts.

- Yeah, it's on autofocus, but it's--

- Oh, what I do is, I do, like--

So today I'm going to be meeting with Kim.

And this is the first time that she will be seen on camera.

- Where do you want me to sit? - Right here.

- Okay. - And I'm just going to...

You're brave for coming forward, and no other--

- I don't think it's brave. I think I'm just a mom.

And here's the other thing. My kids are alive.

There's four children who aren't.

- To recap, your daughter claims

that in the hours before the police were called,

she and a group of other students

were in a Snapchat group discussing the murders.

Do you remember details that your daughter

told you about what was in the Snapchat group?

- So the details were

there was multiple people inside.

And the girls had seen somebody outside.

And that is why they locked themselves in the room.

And they were awake, aware.

And then they called friends

to come over.

- What's the reason behind that--

those eight hours of not calling the police?

- They're adults. But they're also kids.

I don't know. They can be a little feral at this age.

- But the Snapchat groups, I feel like, could be

the one piece of, really, evidence, 'cause people

want to see things on paper. And--

- Sure. When you have Snapchats out there

and text messages out there

that there wasn't just one person there

and that kids were on the scene--

in the crime scene, in the house,

and how could you not call 911 when you heard...

those screams?

And you can't tell me they didn't scream.

All I'm saying is that it's a really small town.

This is a really bad crime.

I hope that the students

are as involved as I believe that they are.

* *

- Okay, so Kim, WSU mom, she claims that friends

were called to the house hours before the police

got there, right?

Which is so suspish, if you ask me.

What could the friends be doing in that time?

Were you coming up with a narrative?

Were you involved?

I'm sorry. That just raises so many more questions

if there is some truth to the story.

- So, after the Kim thing came out and that stuff,

did you talk to Steve about that?

Like, what did he think about the morning thing?

Did he believe it?

- I think there is an element of that morning

that he does find a bit suspicious,

just like everyone else.

That's the biggest question everyone has,

is, what took so long?

* *

Holy shit! We have another bomb interview.

Basically, there's this kid named Dave.

And he said there were a bunch of Snapchat groups

that he knew about that morning,

hours before the first 911 call.

Dave is the first person to come forward

that has a similar story

to what Kim's daughter was saying.

And I really wanted to find out more about what he knew

and see if I could read any of those messages

from that morning.

Sometimes law enforcement or FBI

can be intimidating to certain people.

They're scared.

And they would rather open up to someone like me,

who just looks like the girl next door.

I can learn about information

that may never have been uncovered,

all because they had someone to talk to

and someone to open up to.

* *

- Are you nervous? - A little bit.

Yeah.

The fact that he's coming forward,

it takes a lot of courage.

And I don't want his life to be affected in a negative way

because of Internet sleuths.

So we pitched down his voice,

and we didn't show his face at all

because we want to protect him.

- I was telling you the other day,

it's like cracking back into trauma,

you know, and just, like, a bunch of stuff

that you just want to forget.

- So right now we are looking up

messages that were in the Snapchat group

that Dave was a part of.

- I'm pretty sure that's it.

* *

But that does not look like three days' worth of Snapchats

that I would even send today. - Yeah.

- Sent, saved, chat.

And these are your messages. - Yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, that's you.

And it wouldn't even show other people.

- This looks like everything

that I, like, can see or can send.

* *

Wait, look at the dates.

The 12th. - The 12th.

12th, 12th, so 13th.

- Look at the time stamp--

05:16 in the morning.

Look at the next time stamp--

17:35.

What?

Snapchat's basically saying

that I did not use Snapchat for 12, 13 hours all day Sunday.

That is not true.

That is not true. - Missing time.

- That's just the group chat.

That's not even my individual Snaps.

Where are all of my Snaps that I sent to people

asking if they were okay?

This is two ways, right?

This is saying that I didn't message anybody for 12 hours

and nobody messaged me for 12 hours.

That's also considering all of the other group chats

I was in, too. - Mm-hmm.

- Radio silent for 12 hours? No. Guaranteed, no.

* *

- So we downloaded some Snapchat data.

Yeah. And?

- And there's a chunk of time

that is missing from their data.

And we're wondering if that was, you know...

* *

- It's somewhere.

That chunk that you're talking about that's missing,

that's somewhere.

Somebody's got it...

if they were even involved,

one way or the other.

So...

- From what I know, it literally looks like somebody

went in there and cleaned it out.

I don't know. It just doesn't make sense.

It just doesn't make sense.

- Yeah, it doesn't.

- I guess the question is, can the FBI take that data?

Snapchat? - Of course.

The FBI has the capability

of asking these providers

to not publish such information

and making sort of disappear, yeah.

I think that that's very, very plausible in this case.

And it would make a lot of sense.

- Now, if Dave is telling the truth

and if the FBI did take that data as evidence,

that must mean that the data is relevant to the case.

Maybe the FBI know the reason why the roommates

didn't immediately call the cops.

- You guys, it has been two months,

and we have gotten no information on the Idaho case.

I'm getting so tired of it.

I just need to know a little bit more,

just a little bit more.

What are we supposed to do in the meantime?

Learn a TikTok dance?

Because I sure the hell am not.

- I understand that they want to help

and they want to know.

But why?

It's mostly because they just want to get money,

to get clicks, to get noticed.

- I just looked that I'm about to hit 700K.

And I have every single one of you guys to thank.

- The Internet has opened up, like,

an entirely new industry

through which people make income.

- There's different platforms that allow monetization

from views and ads.

- If you get enough people looking at you,

you can make money.

- TikTok has a few different programs.

So they have a TikTok Creator Fund.

- TikTok announced the launch of a special fund

to reward creators on the platform.

This initiative enables creators to earn money

directly from TikTok based on different criteria,

such as the topics they talk about,

their reach, the demographics of their followers,

average performance, or even interaction.

- Hi, guys. Welcome in.

- What is a live?

- A live is when, on your YouTube or your TikTok,

viewers can see you in real time.

Tons of people can join it.

Yeah, comment any information you'd like me to find.

I'm more interested in his behavior.

- There are plenty of true-crime content creators

who subsist off of donations

that are made during their live videos.

Commenters can donate in the chat.

And that bumps their comment up so that the YouTuber is

more likely to call them out in the live video

and say their name.

- So, morning, BHB. Catching up with everyone.

It's nice to see you.

It's much different than mainstream media.

We would never survive if our customers

weren't interactive with us.

BHB, check your... Mod chat.

Thank you. I'm checking. I'm checking.

They want to talk to you.

They want to know that you hear them.

So they can send you money. They can send you super chats.

Super sticker.

I have to go to the other side and see that super sticker.

Thank you. God bless you.

They can say how awesome you are.

And they can send you some leads.

Hey, guys.

So we are right now in front of The Coug.

They will put a $9 and say, hey, you know,

I need you to go check on this.

You might find some information here.

We received a lead that brought us here to The Coug.

- When you make requests to people

and pay them money to do things

based upon no knowledge whatsoever,

it has nothing to do with the case.

- I found the leaker.

- It reinforces the importance

of an individual's desire to brand themselves

as, you know, an authentic web sleuth.

- Jonathan Lee Riches Investigates.

Jonathan Lee Riches Investigates.

Jonathan Lee Riches Investigates.

- The idea that you are not just entertaining people

or you're not just solving a crime,

but you are building a brand.

- I have a JLR merchandise site,

a lot of shirts like you see here, mugs, hats.

Now, that makes decent-- you know, a signi--

you know, decent amount of money.

Roman soups, these 40-cent soups

that you can get in the supermarket...

I am in a few ad partnerships with different businesses.

- They ship you a product.

You promote it. You get a percentage of it.

This is the best perfume ever.

If you want to smell like the most expensive,

hottest bitch in town--

And I got it on TikTok Shop

for so much cheaper than what I usually pay.

I did a TikTok Shop deal the other day for a wig.

They pay well.

- I think I'm gonna get one of these delicious soups.

These are cheap, but they're actually very good.

- They get paid for that?

Hmm.

That's a job? Okay.

- Money--it's not a bad thing.

They're spending a lot of time doing it.

They should be reimbursed and compensated.

But it's disheartening oftentimes

the motives that exist for a lot of these people,

because it really is about money

and exposure and fame.

- Sure, it's nice.

Who doesn't like money, right?

- Some people don't feel comfortable

that I'm monetizing true crime.

But at the end of the day,

how would I be able to fly out to places?

It's a job.

This is my job.

- There's all of these people that are trying

to make dollar bills off of the victims' stories.

I mean, I think there's, what, three or four books on Amazon.

James Patterson is trying to do a book.

I think Bloom is trying to do a book--documentaries.

And we haven't even gotten to trial.

- If someone wants to watch your TikTok video

of what you think is important, good for you.

And if you get cash for it, that's even better for you.

But it has nothing to do with the case.

- It took me about, I want to say, 15 times...

reading the affidavit until I finally started

to actually understand parts of it.

Have you read it?

- I've read the affidavit probably more times

than what I would have liked to.

- Every time I reread it, I see something kind of new.

- In most probable-cause affidavits,

you don't need all that detail,

because you don't want to give the public

all this information.

I would have put the sheath, and I would have put the DNA.

But I wouldn't have put

all that other information in there,

which now has caused sleuths to put all this

"evidence" out there to social media,

to millions and millions of viewers

and just really caused so much doubt.

- There was so much speculation in this case,

because there wasn't a great deal of DNA evidence,

given the nature of the crime scene.

They really needed to present a deeper, stronger case

with other kind of evidence to justify that arrest.

- It was a lot of information to release in the affidavit.

And it did lead to a lot of harassment of the survivors.

But, I mean,

that's how the criminal justice system works, right?

These are public prosecutorial findings.

They had to release this information

at some point in order to justify the arrest.

- But, please, let me remind you, this is not a "CSI" show.

This is not a Netflix documentary.

This is real life.

In real life, the professionals,

such as the FBI, which are involved, by the way--

62 agents, to be exact, they just beefed it up.

They're professionals. There are processes.

- But...

on the other aspect,

you are gonna get mad about social media

going into a frenzy, but you're fueling it.

- All right, so Xana, she was still on her phone on TikTok

at 4:12 a.m.

At 4:20 a.m., the fucking car is seen speeding away.

- It was a three-story freakin' house.

And he killed four people in that short of time?

I'm sorry, I know people that take shits longer than that.

That dude is a fucking psycho, or he had help.

- Yeah, I definitely think there's

at least two people involved.

- There's people in my comments every day

saying there's no way he could've done it alone.

So I'm gonna tell you why I think he did it alone,

because there is no evidence--

zero evidence

that anybody else was there with him but him.

There's no other DNA.

There's no other nothing, okay?

- People can do some major damage

in a short amount of time.

It's not like-- that this happened

in the middle of the day, you know,

while they're walking to their car.

They were in the most vulnerable place

and the most vulnerable position

you could possibly imagine when they were attacked.

That helped Bryan get this done as quickly as he did,

because they were defenseless.

- Imagine him sneaking into that house

in under nine minutes,

doing what he did in the way that he did it

with the weapon that he used in the manner that he did it,

which makes your head spin.

Oh, my God, breaking news, y'all--

Kohberger's defense just announced

that one of the roommates has evidence

that could exonerate Bryan.

- Newly unveiled court filings assert

that a surviving housemate has exculpatory evidence.

She allegedly heard or saw something

that could clear Kohberger.

- Bryan Kohberger's attorneys argue

that the housemate's testimony is key to the trial

and could clear the murder charges

levied against their client, Bryan.

What?

- The two surviving roommates,

they have some explaining to do.

- She's a roommate. She was there.

She was in the house that night.

So of course she's gonna be subpoenaed.

Of course she's gonna have information

that very few people have.

- So rumor has it Berger told his attorney

he knows who did this crime.

It was not him. He's completely innocent.

And that he will help identify that person.

A lot of people are feeding into that,

because when he was first arrested--apprehended

from the Pennsylvania Police Department,

he said, "Was anybody else arrested?"

Why is everybody

so hard-core about sticking to,

it was one person that did this,

there was nobody else involved,

he did it all alone?

Why? Why?

Like, how could you say that it was just him?

You don't know.

- Two male DNAs were found within the home.

And the other one was found outside.

It says "on glove."

- Steve said that you had

some really interesting information.

- This was supposed to be a burglary.

- This individual gave the guy from jail a backpack,

and he opened it.