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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,922 --> 00:00:09,925 - Clearwater, Florida, is, like, the Mecca of Scientology. 2 00:00:10,052 --> 00:00:13,345 That is where Scientologists go 3 00:00:13,472 --> 00:00:17,891 to receive the upper-most coveted levels of Scientology. 4 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:21,645 It is also the place where Scientology 5 00:00:21,772 --> 00:00:24,857 is almost achieving its goal of buying a town, 6 00:00:24,984 --> 00:00:27,568 make it a Scientology city, 7 00:00:27,695 --> 00:00:31,280 then use that as an example for the rest of the world. 8 00:00:33,451 --> 00:00:36,869 - I am the writer of the textbooks of Scientology. 9 00:00:36,996 --> 00:00:40,789 The aim and goal is to put man in a mental condition 10 00:00:40,916 --> 00:00:43,792 uh, where he can solve his own problems. 11 00:00:43,919 --> 00:00:47,337 - Without any Scientology organization, 12 00:00:47,465 --> 00:00:49,705 things are not going to change on this planet. 13 00:00:51,844 --> 00:00:54,970 - After years of slowly questioning Scientology... 14 00:00:55,097 --> 00:00:57,577 - Leah Remini and her very public break with Scientology. 15 00:00:59,643 --> 00:01:04,063 - Scientology, what they do. Trying to destroy people, 16 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:06,648 trying to destroy their families when they leave, 17 00:01:06,776 --> 00:01:09,151 they create a lot of people 18 00:01:09,278 --> 00:01:11,318 who are willing to fight against them. 19 00:01:20,289 --> 00:01:22,873 - Scientology takes tax-free dollars, 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,666 and ruins people's lives. 21 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:29,421 - This is not the life I want to live. 22 00:01:29,548 --> 00:01:31,799 I wanted to end my life. 23 00:01:33,636 --> 00:01:35,197 - Some people, it takes a year. 24 00:01:35,221 --> 00:01:37,012 Some people, it takes ten years 25 00:01:37,139 --> 00:01:41,517 of just peeling that onion of how you were manipulated 26 00:01:41,644 --> 00:01:43,352 and made to think. 27 00:01:43,479 --> 00:01:46,105 - This season, we really needed to focus on 28 00:01:46,232 --> 00:01:48,941 the reason why Scientology is able 29 00:01:49,068 --> 00:01:51,026 to do the things that they do 30 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:53,193 is because they have tax-exempt status. 31 00:02:03,332 --> 00:02:07,084 - The people who have bravely come on 32 00:02:07,211 --> 00:02:08,794 and told their stories 33 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:11,421 have not told those stories in vain. 34 00:02:11,549 --> 00:02:13,382 They are having an impact. 35 00:02:13,509 --> 00:02:15,529 - We're presenting our case to the world. 36 00:02:15,553 --> 00:02:18,512 To the FBI, to the IRS. 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,889 - The most important thing that has to be done 38 00:02:21,016 --> 00:02:23,767 is the persistent telling of the truth, 39 00:02:23,894 --> 00:02:25,144 and that's what you're doing. 40 00:02:25,271 --> 00:02:27,354 - You have to continue to fight. 41 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:29,681 You have to continue to fight for what's right. 42 00:03:05,936 --> 00:03:07,998 - I mean, it's not hard for you to live here? 43 00:03:08,022 --> 00:03:10,230 - Not at all. - Doesn't bring back any... 44 00:03:10,357 --> 00:03:12,836 Well, I guess you have memories here 45 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:15,736 that are now replaced... - Well, that's true. 46 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:17,446 - For yourself. 47 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:20,324 It makes me uncomfortable, because here we are, 48 00:03:20,451 --> 00:03:23,285 driving by, so now they know we're filming here, you know? 49 00:03:23,412 --> 00:03:25,452 - Right. - And now, they're going to be 50 00:03:25,497 --> 00:03:27,873 doing their bullshit with us here. 51 00:03:29,668 --> 00:03:31,104 Like, oh, my God, I'm getting emotional. 52 00:03:31,128 --> 00:03:33,629 I don't know why. 53 00:03:33,756 --> 00:03:35,380 - Leah. - Huh? 54 00:03:35,507 --> 00:03:39,009 - I feel so bad when you get so upset. 55 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:41,803 I do. I don't like it. 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,353 - I was, I would say, raised kind of normally. 57 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,190 It was me and my mom and my sister, Nicole, 58 00:03:53,317 --> 00:03:57,110 and we were born and raised in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. 59 00:03:57,238 --> 00:04:01,073 And then, my mom and dad got divorced. 60 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,410 And Dennis came into our lives, and he was funny, 61 00:04:05,537 --> 00:04:07,663 and we were happy to have him. 62 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:11,833 And then, my mother and Dennis got into Scientology. 63 00:04:13,712 --> 00:04:16,463 We were told that we were going to go off 64 00:04:16,590 --> 00:04:19,091 to a very special mission to clear the planet 65 00:04:19,218 --> 00:04:21,301 in Clearwater, Florida. 66 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:23,637 My stepfather was going to stay behind 67 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:25,973 and sell everything that we had 68 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,260 because we weren't allowed to bring anything. 69 00:04:28,352 --> 00:04:32,938 We were leaving everything to go and fulfill this mission. 70 00:04:34,483 --> 00:04:36,149 We go to Florida 71 00:04:36,277 --> 00:04:38,046 thinking we're going to an amazing place. 72 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:40,988 The Mecca of Scientology. 73 00:04:41,115 --> 00:04:45,158 And we arrived to a run-down motel 74 00:04:45,286 --> 00:04:48,495 infested with roaches, infested with rats. 75 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:51,039 We were separated from our mom, 76 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:53,353 who was, at the time, eight months pregnant, 77 00:04:53,377 --> 00:04:56,461 and we were living in a dorm with, like, eight other girls. 78 00:04:56,588 --> 00:04:58,130 My stepfather never came. 79 00:04:59,717 --> 00:05:01,758 He never came. 80 00:05:01,885 --> 00:05:04,177 Oh,. 81 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:08,515 But I just kind of pushed that aside. 82 00:05:10,686 --> 00:05:13,353 But my mom was alone, we were alone, 83 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,941 and we didn't have anybody but the Sea Org now. 84 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:22,529 The Sea Org was our family, and our father, and our mother. 85 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:25,449 And my little sister was born there. 86 00:05:25,576 --> 00:05:27,784 My little sister, Shannon. 87 00:05:30,998 --> 00:05:34,875 Why I'm so emotional about Clearwater. 88 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:37,377 It, in a way, destroyed... 89 00:05:38,964 --> 00:05:41,590 a lot of this family that we had. 90 00:05:43,385 --> 00:05:45,113 I just look at all these families, Mike, 91 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:46,887 you know, on the beach. 92 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:49,181 Laughing and having a good time, 93 00:05:49,308 --> 00:05:52,392 and people having dinner or lunch with their families. 94 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:54,539 And, you know, there's people at Flag right now 95 00:05:54,563 --> 00:05:57,105 like, working very hard and very... 96 00:05:57,232 --> 00:05:58,877 "We got to get this done!" You know? 97 00:05:58,901 --> 00:06:01,276 And having the mentality that the planet... 98 00:06:01,403 --> 00:06:03,214 - Is depending on them. - You know is dep... right. 99 00:06:03,238 --> 00:06:05,383 - And they're accomplishing absolutely nothing. 100 00:06:05,407 --> 00:06:08,742 - Right. They're giving up their lives. 101 00:06:08,869 --> 00:06:11,139 They're giving up their family members 102 00:06:11,163 --> 00:06:15,248 because they've been completely brainwashed 103 00:06:15,376 --> 00:06:17,187 and lied to about what they're doing. 104 00:06:17,211 --> 00:06:18,605 - Yes, exactly. - You know? 105 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:20,315 And then, you know, here we are. 106 00:06:20,339 --> 00:06:22,089 It's, like, this area makes me 107 00:06:22,216 --> 00:06:25,300 want to throw up now, you know what I mean? 108 00:06:25,427 --> 00:06:27,511 I remember walking these streets. 109 00:06:31,308 --> 00:06:33,308 I was wearing a lanyard, 110 00:06:33,435 --> 00:06:36,603 and walking down the streets of Clearwater, 111 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:39,231 and people are screaming out of their car windows. 112 00:06:39,358 --> 00:06:41,817 "Cult! Cult member!" 113 00:06:41,944 --> 00:06:44,736 And I'm like, "what?" I'm not a cult member. 114 00:06:44,863 --> 00:06:47,155 I'm sacrificing my life for this." 115 00:06:47,282 --> 00:06:49,157 So it... it was just 116 00:06:49,284 --> 00:06:52,285 a weird moment, you know what I mean? 117 00:06:52,413 --> 00:06:54,057 Because I'm, like, "I'm here to save you." 118 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:56,373 And now, I'm kind of on the other side of that 119 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:57,791 going "I'm here to save you." 120 00:07:03,465 --> 00:07:05,507 - Like everybody else around here, 121 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:07,737 I don't like being in Downtown Clearwater much. 122 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:09,801 - Right. - Just because the whole place 123 00:07:09,847 --> 00:07:11,638 is creepy. It's empty. 124 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:14,099 It's... it feels like people are watching you. 125 00:07:14,226 --> 00:07:15,642 That's kind of creepy. 126 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:20,291 - You know, this reminds me of you 127 00:07:20,315 --> 00:07:22,085 standing out here trying to talk to your son. 128 00:07:22,109 --> 00:07:23,984 - Yeah. 129 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:28,155 I was alerted by Joe Childs from the "Tampa Bay Times" 130 00:07:28,282 --> 00:07:31,116 that he had been told by Scientology 131 00:07:31,243 --> 00:07:34,202 that I was a terrible parent 132 00:07:34,329 --> 00:07:37,664 because I had not tried to help my son 133 00:07:37,791 --> 00:07:39,374 who had contracted cancer. 134 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:41,418 I had no idea. 135 00:07:41,545 --> 00:07:44,421 The next day, I went to the Fort Harrison 136 00:07:44,548 --> 00:07:46,214 to try and see my son. 137 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:14,743 - My son had cancer. 138 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:16,890 Of course I'm going to go and try and see him 139 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:18,330 and see if he's okay, 140 00:08:18,457 --> 00:08:20,832 and find out what's happening, and... 141 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,669 It was... it was a futile effort. 142 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:27,380 - I feel like I'm in this movie 143 00:08:27,508 --> 00:08:30,509 where the villain is always winning. 144 00:08:30,636 --> 00:08:35,055 - Well, the villain isn't going to win forever. 145 00:08:35,182 --> 00:08:36,618 - Well, I'd like to see something happen. 146 00:08:36,642 --> 00:08:40,393 - Promise you. - In our lifetime, Mike. 147 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:54,991 - I don't think this story of Scientology in Clearwater 148 00:08:55,118 --> 00:08:57,514 has ever been actually told. - Yeah, I don't think it has. 149 00:08:57,538 --> 00:08:59,891 - Like, there's been bits and pieces, 150 00:08:59,915 --> 00:09:01,851 and certainly, the "Tampa Bay Times" has covered it, 151 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,103 but that's for people in Pinellas County. 152 00:09:04,127 --> 00:09:05,939 - Right. - Outside, the whole world 153 00:09:05,963 --> 00:09:07,295 doesn't know. 154 00:09:07,422 --> 00:09:08,858 - It's a story worth telling, for sure. 155 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:10,382 - Yeah. 156 00:09:10,509 --> 00:09:12,469 - In the early 70's, L. Ron Hubbard 157 00:09:12,511 --> 00:09:15,762 was running the Scientology world 158 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:18,223 from a ship called "The Apollo." 159 00:09:19,685 --> 00:09:21,351 I was on board "The Apollo" 160 00:09:21,478 --> 00:09:27,357 with L. Ron Hubbard from 1973 until 1975. 161 00:09:27,484 --> 00:09:30,694 The ship had been thrown out of various countries. 162 00:09:30,821 --> 00:09:37,617 He tried to bring "The Apollo" to the United States in 1974, 163 00:09:37,744 --> 00:09:42,122 and he discovered that the FBI, IRS, 164 00:09:42,249 --> 00:09:44,916 DEA, and various other government agencies 165 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:47,127 were waiting on the dock. 166 00:09:47,254 --> 00:09:50,839 For the next year or so, we sailed around 167 00:09:50,966 --> 00:09:52,257 in ports in the Caribbean. 168 00:09:54,303 --> 00:09:58,013 Hubbard at one point had a heart attack in Curacao. 169 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:00,034 The treatment wasn't the, like, 170 00:10:00,058 --> 00:10:04,185 advanced medical treatment available. 171 00:10:04,313 --> 00:10:07,147 And he decided, "Okay, the time has come 172 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:11,651 to move the operations to the United States." 173 00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:13,506 He sent a whole bunch of people out 174 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:15,947 up and down the Eastern Seaboard of the US 175 00:10:16,074 --> 00:10:18,533 to find a location to move to. 176 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:20,660 There were various requirements. 177 00:10:20,787 --> 00:10:22,432 It had to have an international airport. 178 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:24,576 It had to be in a relatively warm climate. 179 00:10:24,666 --> 00:10:27,167 It had to be a facility that was big enough 180 00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:30,879 to accommodate all the people, but was cheap. 181 00:10:31,006 --> 00:10:35,342 Ultimately, he settled on Clearwater, Florida, 182 00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:37,510 and the Fort Harrison hotel, 183 00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:39,888 and the adjacent Clearwater Bank building, 184 00:10:40,015 --> 00:10:42,557 both of which were going bankrupt. 185 00:10:44,436 --> 00:10:45,894 I was one of the first people 186 00:10:46,021 --> 00:10:48,688 that arrived in the Fort Harrison. 187 00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:54,819 When Hubbard moved the headquarters of Scientology 188 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:57,906 to Clearwater, it logically followed 189 00:10:58,033 --> 00:11:01,326 that the plan would be to take over Clearwater 190 00:11:01,453 --> 00:11:04,371 and turn it into a Scientology city. 191 00:11:04,498 --> 00:11:07,415 This... Clearwater was supposed to become 192 00:11:07,542 --> 00:11:11,670 and is supposed to become the Salt Lake City of Scientology, 193 00:11:11,797 --> 00:11:13,505 or the Mecca of Scien... 194 00:11:13,632 --> 00:11:17,842 In fact, they even called it the Mecca of Scientology. 195 00:11:17,969 --> 00:11:21,638 Scientology moved in here in 1975, 196 00:11:21,765 --> 00:11:26,226 and at the outset, came here under false pretenses. 197 00:11:26,353 --> 00:11:29,312 When we arrived in Clearwater, we actually lied. 198 00:11:29,439 --> 00:11:31,940 Tried to pretend to everybody in the community 199 00:11:32,067 --> 00:11:35,235 that this was some other Christian organization 200 00:11:35,362 --> 00:11:37,442 called the United Churches of Florida. 201 00:11:39,908 --> 00:11:42,534 Everybody was briefed. "This is what you're to say. 202 00:11:42,661 --> 00:11:45,745 You're to explain what the United Churches of Florida is." 203 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:48,998 Which nobody really understood, because it didn't exist. 204 00:11:49,126 --> 00:11:50,917 It was just a name. 205 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,481 - And you know, in the mid-'70s, 206 00:11:53,505 --> 00:11:55,358 we didn't know what Scientology was. 207 00:11:55,382 --> 00:11:58,133 I lived... I lived here, and we all wondered. 208 00:11:58,260 --> 00:11:59,592 "Who are these people? 209 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,803 Who's the United Churches of Florida?" 210 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:05,724 And it slowly came out, it's not the United Churches. 211 00:12:05,851 --> 00:12:07,600 It's the Church of Scientology. 212 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:09,288 Once again, we're looking at each other, 213 00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:10,979 going "well, who is that?" 214 00:12:11,106 --> 00:12:13,982 When this came out, Gabe Cazares, 215 00:12:14,109 --> 00:12:16,901 Mayor Cazares, started to question them 216 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:19,257 and criticize them, and "who are these people?" 217 00:12:19,281 --> 00:12:23,366 - One reason that Gabe was suspicious 218 00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:26,286 is after they bought the... The property 219 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:29,080 as United Churches of Florida, suddenly, 220 00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:31,207 there were armed security guys 221 00:12:31,334 --> 00:12:33,334 on the top of the Fort Harrison hotel. 222 00:12:33,462 --> 00:12:36,129 He said "who does this? What is this group?" 223 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:37,900 - Had they just moved in as a regular church... 224 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:39,527 - Right. - It would have been nothing. 225 00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:41,968 But, you know, the mayor is... He's kind of... 226 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:44,345 He's a leader of the community, and he's... 227 00:12:44,473 --> 00:12:46,973 No wonder he was curious about it, and he should be. 228 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,244 - Right. - He should be the one 229 00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:49,787 looking into it. What is this? 230 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:52,081 Why are they hiding their real cards? 231 00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:54,147 - They came into our community, and they lied. 232 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:57,150 They lied to the public officials. 233 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,778 They said "oh, we're United Churches of Florida." 234 00:12:59,905 --> 00:13:01,696 This is unforgivable. 235 00:13:01,823 --> 00:13:05,158 I... I don't know what kind of ethics is involved here. 236 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:06,951 - He was very brave to speak out, 237 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,120 because no... Most politicians don't. 238 00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:12,874 - Slowly, it's coming out. This town is being taken over. 239 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,836 They have chosen us to be their spiritual headquarters, 240 00:13:16,963 --> 00:13:19,523 and they are going to buy up our town. 241 00:13:29,601 --> 00:13:31,142 - When Gabe Cazares came out 242 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:33,186 and basically called them a cult, 243 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,313 we... then we started saying "tell us more." 244 00:13:43,824 --> 00:13:48,076 - L. Ron Hubbard has stated that Scientology 245 00:13:48,203 --> 00:13:51,871 has the money to buy cities and even countries. 246 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:55,166 That destructive cult has to know 247 00:13:55,293 --> 00:13:58,753 that sparking Clearwater is not for sale. 248 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,048 - I'm glad he did that, but he paid a price for it. 249 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:04,425 - He did. - The Catholic Church, 250 00:14:04,553 --> 00:14:06,553 the synagogues, the mosques. 251 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,847 If somebody wants to be critical of them, 252 00:14:08,974 --> 00:14:11,683 that's their First Amendment right, they can say it. 253 00:14:11,810 --> 00:14:13,935 But in... in the case of Scientology, 254 00:14:14,062 --> 00:14:17,438 if you are a critic of the church, you are their enemy. 255 00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:19,858 And so, when people did speak out... 256 00:14:19,985 --> 00:14:21,317 And of course, it was our mayor. 257 00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:22,964 He was the front man. He was the one... 258 00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:25,196 "tell us, Mayor, you know, what's going on." 259 00:14:25,323 --> 00:14:27,563 And then, we started reading what they were doing to him. 260 00:14:27,659 --> 00:14:30,952 - Scientology did some of the most heinous 261 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:33,639 Fair Game tactics against Gabe Cazares. 262 00:14:33,748 --> 00:14:36,958 There's a whole bunch of these documents 263 00:14:37,085 --> 00:14:40,086 that ultimately came out when the FBI raided Scientology 264 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:43,381 that explain and detail the activities 265 00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:45,425 that were taken against him. 266 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:58,354 Scientology embarked on a campaign of Fair Game 267 00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:02,650 to cost Gabe Cazares his job, 268 00:15:02,777 --> 00:15:05,945 and to completely discredit and destroy him. 269 00:15:12,579 --> 00:15:15,538 There were a number of operations 270 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:18,291 that were conducted against Gabe Cazares, 271 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:21,210 and those documents came out after the FBI raid. 272 00:15:21,338 --> 00:15:23,129 And they had bizarre names. 273 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:28,885 Uh, they detail the exact steps that were to be taken. 274 00:15:29,012 --> 00:15:30,845 These things are incredible. 275 00:15:30,972 --> 00:15:33,932 Project Taco-less. 276 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:40,063 "It was a plan to dig up dirt to "ruin his political career 277 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:46,152 and remove/restrain him as an opponent of Scientology." 278 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,696 Then, there was Project Speedy Gonzalez. 279 00:15:48,823 --> 00:15:51,282 That was designed to ruin his career 280 00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:53,326 with a political sex scandal. 281 00:15:55,538 --> 00:15:57,830 A fake college student 282 00:15:57,958 --> 00:16:00,875 wearing a St. Pete Junior College T-shirt 283 00:16:01,002 --> 00:16:03,711 was to spread a rumor about Cazares 284 00:16:03,838 --> 00:16:05,958 having an affair with someone's mother. 285 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:11,094 Operation Italian Fog was intended 286 00:16:11,221 --> 00:16:14,013 to create documents that would 287 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:18,142 "prove that Gabe Cazares was a bigamist" 288 00:16:18,269 --> 00:16:21,187 by planting fake documents 289 00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:25,191 that he was married to some woman in Mexico. 290 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:28,903 Perhaps the... the most outrageous of all 291 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:31,739 was called Project Keeler, where Gabe Cazares 292 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:37,745 was set up with a fake hit and run accident in Washington DC 293 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:40,164 when he was attending a mayor's conference. 294 00:16:40,291 --> 00:16:43,292 They documented the fake hit and run 295 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:45,169 with someone jumping out 296 00:16:45,296 --> 00:16:47,422 in front of his car on a dark road, 297 00:16:47,549 --> 00:16:52,093 and that was now going to ruin his political career. 298 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:57,515 These documents are perhaps only the tip of the iceberg. 299 00:16:57,642 --> 00:17:00,476 That's not necessarily all that was done 300 00:17:00,603 --> 00:17:02,437 or all that was planned. 301 00:17:02,564 --> 00:17:05,398 It's just the documents that were gotten from the raid. 302 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:10,153 - And what was the time frame that Gabe was being targeted 303 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,590 and Fair Gamed? - That was years. 304 00:17:11,614 --> 00:17:13,239 It was years. 305 00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,908 They wanted to make sure that a lawsuit was filed. 306 00:17:16,036 --> 00:17:19,579 A lawsuit was filed very quickly to shut him up. 307 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:22,582 And it ended up dragging on for, uh... 308 00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:24,186 - In federal court? - Yeah, in federal court 309 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:25,084 for a number of years. - Mm, yeah. 310 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:26,919 - Gabe did sue them, 311 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:30,131 and here's one of the fascinating things about it. 312 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:34,302 He hired an attorney that he met at his country club. 313 00:17:34,429 --> 00:17:35,845 And this guy befriended him and said 314 00:17:35,972 --> 00:17:37,388 "Hey, hey, you know what? 315 00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:39,265 You should hire me to handle this case." 316 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:40,828 Merrell Vannier, I think was her... his name. 317 00:17:40,852 --> 00:17:42,204 - That's his name, that's for sure. 318 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,562 - And this guy was hired by Gabe... 319 00:17:44,689 --> 00:17:46,355 - This is a plant, a plant. 320 00:17:46,483 --> 00:17:48,274 - Yeah, screwed up the case, 321 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:51,152 and... and settled it for, like, a paltry fee, I think. 322 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:54,238 And it was only later that it was discovered 323 00:17:54,365 --> 00:17:57,617 that this guy was brought in by Scientology 324 00:17:57,744 --> 00:17:59,660 from, like, Alabama or some place. 325 00:17:59,788 --> 00:18:01,390 - That was his job, to get... - That was his job. 326 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,374 - Oh, my God. - To befriend Gabe, 327 00:18:03,458 --> 00:18:04,458 and take the case. 328 00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:08,314 - So here you have the mayor of Clearwater. 329 00:18:08,338 --> 00:18:12,381 He had every right to question what this organization was. 330 00:18:12,509 --> 00:18:16,219 But then, they attack this man 331 00:18:16,346 --> 00:18:19,639 for exercising his First Amendment rights. 332 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:23,267 They then activate their policies of 333 00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:26,187 "Let's destroy anyone who's questioning us, 334 00:18:26,314 --> 00:18:28,356 "caught us in lies, 335 00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:31,192 and let's go after those people and utterly destroy them," 336 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:33,319 which is Scientology policy. 337 00:18:33,446 --> 00:18:36,405 But, really, they are... They are leaving 338 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:39,534 a destruction in their wake. 339 00:18:39,661 --> 00:18:42,537 - Everything that you see that has happened 340 00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:45,540 in the history of Clearwater, you can find the documents 341 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:48,626 written by L. Ron Hubbard that describe what that is. 342 00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:52,233 You can go back and look at the policies 343 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:54,507 where he says to bring governments 344 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:57,218 into a state of complete compliance 345 00:18:57,345 --> 00:19:01,305 with the goals of Scientology, and to control such agencies. 346 00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:05,935 Like, turn them into Scientology activities. 347 00:19:06,062 --> 00:19:08,104 - And that... wasn't that the objective 348 00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:10,773 of Project Normandy? - Absolutely. 349 00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:21,534 - The orders, in effect, were occupation orders. 350 00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,870 There was a secret Project Goldmine, 351 00:19:23,997 --> 00:19:27,081 and a Project Normandy, and these orders, 352 00:19:27,208 --> 00:19:32,378 in effect, very clearly, stated "move into this area", 353 00:19:32,505 --> 00:19:34,745 "find out who your friends are, develop them." 354 00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:37,592 "Find out who your enemies are, destroy them." 355 00:19:37,719 --> 00:19:40,970 And then, move into every possible area 356 00:19:41,097 --> 00:19:46,642 of community life, business, social, religious, education. 357 00:19:46,769 --> 00:19:48,330 - Project Normandy is just one example. 358 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,021 It's everywhere. 359 00:19:50,148 --> 00:19:52,607 Scientology wants the police department 360 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:55,776 and the city council operating for their benefit. 361 00:19:55,904 --> 00:19:58,321 For the good of Scientology. 362 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:14,378 - So back in the days of Gabe Cazares, 363 00:20:14,505 --> 00:20:16,545 all these Scientologists pulled a stunt 364 00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:18,925 that made it onto the front page of the newspapers 365 00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:22,011 of dressing people up in Nazi outfits 366 00:20:22,138 --> 00:20:25,556 and marching them down the street in front of City Hall 367 00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:29,727 to protest the Nazi-like treatment 368 00:20:29,854 --> 00:20:33,898 that Scientology was getting from the city of Clearwater. 369 00:20:34,025 --> 00:20:36,025 - What group behaves like that? 370 00:20:36,152 --> 00:20:37,276 Scientology. 371 00:20:38,446 --> 00:20:40,780 - Yeah. - True. 372 00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:44,325 - But it... it was... Sort of encapsulated 373 00:20:44,452 --> 00:20:49,247 the relationship between Scientology and Clearwater. 374 00:20:49,374 --> 00:20:52,917 It was contentious, and Scientology 375 00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:56,379 did what they always do, which is attack. 376 00:20:56,506 --> 00:20:58,673 Just attack. - Right. 377 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,383 For at least 20 years, 378 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:03,302 Clearwater investigated Scientology. 379 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:06,138 And... and a great guy, Ray Emmons, 380 00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:08,766 led this investigation of Scientology. 381 00:21:08,893 --> 00:21:12,228 He had so much damning information 382 00:21:12,355 --> 00:21:15,481 about all the things that... That they were up to. 383 00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:20,444 And he considered it a criminal enterprise. 384 00:21:20,571 --> 00:21:23,322 The Lieutenant, Ray Emmons, believed that 385 00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:28,661 the police department had dropped all education 386 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:33,207 for the new recruits about how to deal with Scientology. 387 00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:34,937 Every time there was a new group of officers 388 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,836 that would come in, Ray would sit them down 389 00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:39,880 and say "this is what you need to know about Scientology." 390 00:21:40,008 --> 00:21:42,425 - Did he reach out to other agencies to... 391 00:21:42,552 --> 00:21:46,721 - Yeah, he went to the state officials, 392 00:21:46,848 --> 00:21:49,849 to the federal government, and said "We need help." 393 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:54,020 "We can't deal with this Mafia-like organization 394 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:55,688 in our small town." 395 00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,773 No one would help. 396 00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,586 - Well, we shopped it around to the federal people, 397 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:02,361 to the state people, and the first question 398 00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:05,197 always asked by a prosecutor was 399 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:08,367 "Will they harass me? Will they follow me?" 400 00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:12,266 "Boy, this is going to cost a lot of money." 401 00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:15,875 It was a continuing fraudulent enterprise. 402 00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:18,544 It still is to this day, as far as I'm concerned. 403 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,482 - I talked to him, too, ultimately, and... 404 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:21,775 - Right. - He was, like, 405 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,944 "it's dangerous, it's dangerous" 406 00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:27,178 These people are dangerous, and they're dangerous to families. 407 00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:28,782 They're dangerous to individuals. 408 00:22:28,806 --> 00:22:30,951 They're dangerous to the community. 409 00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:33,135 It's a dangerous organization in our midst, 410 00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:35,686 and everybody is ignoring it now. 411 00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:52,328 That city commission hearing was a major watershed 412 00:22:52,455 --> 00:22:53,913 in the history of Clearwater, 413 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,268 and actually, the history of Scientology, 414 00:22:56,292 --> 00:22:58,292 because it was the first time 415 00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:00,564 there had been, in the United States, at least, 416 00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:03,381 an actual attempt to 417 00:23:03,508 --> 00:23:06,217 uncover the truth about Scientology. 418 00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:09,053 You know, I was here as the church person 419 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:13,307 dealing with that, and that was a huge problem. 420 00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:22,900 - The Fair Game policy, he's had that as... 421 00:23:23,027 --> 00:23:25,611 As long as I've known him. 422 00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:27,698 - That's the "attack the attacker?" 423 00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:56,827 - That potentially could have put an end to this mess 424 00:24:56,954 --> 00:25:00,623 had the city then not over-reached, 425 00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:04,001 and tried to enact an ordinance 426 00:25:04,128 --> 00:25:07,880 which was designed to get Scientology out of Clearwater. 427 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:21,435 - The ultimate outcome of that case 428 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:24,939 put the nail in the coffin of the city's efforts 429 00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:29,026 by ruling that Scientology was right. 430 00:25:29,153 --> 00:25:32,446 That this ordinance was unconstitutional 431 00:25:32,573 --> 00:25:36,325 and the city had to pay Scientology costs and fees 432 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:39,828 of 600-plus thousand dollars. 433 00:25:39,956 --> 00:25:44,792 At that point, the city of Clearwater basically decided 434 00:25:44,919 --> 00:25:47,586 "this is not a fight we can ever win," and... 435 00:25:49,131 --> 00:25:50,651 Crawled into a hole. - Yeah. 436 00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,486 "If you don't allow us to do what we want, 437 00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:54,404 here's what we're going to do to you." 438 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:57,263 - What happened to Ray Emmons? - Ray retired. 439 00:25:57,390 --> 00:26:00,057 But he never stopped being concerned about 440 00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:02,643 Scientology's activities here in the city. 441 00:26:02,770 --> 00:26:04,728 Just like Gabe Cazares. - Yeah. 442 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:06,708 - Uh, even though he had left office... 443 00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:09,066 Was driven out of office, he never forgot 444 00:26:09,193 --> 00:26:11,318 what Scientology did not just to him... 445 00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:13,245 - Right. - But to the city. 446 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:26,395 - In the case of Scientology, we would start hearing about 447 00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:30,170 additional properties that they were buying. 448 00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:33,632 Um, and they started cherry-picking the areas 449 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,260 so that they could be contiguous as best they can, 450 00:26:36,387 --> 00:26:39,305 so they could control, you know, the entire area. 451 00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:41,557 And then, that spread to the commercial district, 452 00:26:41,684 --> 00:26:43,475 as far as downtown is concerned. 453 00:26:43,603 --> 00:26:45,436 They were buying up everything they could. 454 00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:48,731 - Scientology started out with the 455 00:26:48,858 --> 00:26:52,109 two most prominent buildings in Downtown Clearwater. 456 00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:53,861 The Fort Harrison Hotel, 457 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:56,196 and the old Bank of Clearwater. 458 00:26:56,324 --> 00:27:00,701 It then added the Sand Castle Motel, 459 00:27:00,828 --> 00:27:03,078 which was a big property on the water. 460 00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:08,500 A very prominent, downtown landmark for "Expansion." 461 00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:12,087 They purchased properties for staff to live in. 462 00:27:12,214 --> 00:27:14,715 They purchased vacant land. 463 00:27:14,842 --> 00:27:18,927 Everywhere you go, next door is another piece 464 00:27:19,055 --> 00:27:22,014 of the Scientology puzzle of downtown. 465 00:27:31,442 --> 00:27:34,193 - The jewel that Scientology wanted, 466 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,904 Miscavige, in particular, was the aquarium. 467 00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:41,659 - When the property that is owned by the aquarium 468 00:27:41,786 --> 00:27:45,871 was announced to be sold to the city, 469 00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:49,625 David Miscavige wanted that property badly. 470 00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:51,794 Not because there was any plan 471 00:27:51,921 --> 00:27:53,841 to do anything with the property, 472 00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:57,383 but because it sits across the street 473 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:58,945 from the back of the Fort Harrison, 474 00:27:58,969 --> 00:28:02,221 and alongside the Oak Cove. 475 00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:04,117 He claimed that he wanted to put 476 00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:06,433 a swimming pool on that property, 477 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,705 but there was a swimming pool in the Fort Harrison hotel 478 00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:10,229 that nobody uses. 479 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:11,958 There's another one in The Sand Castle. 480 00:28:11,982 --> 00:28:14,149 There's plenty of swimming pools around. 481 00:28:14,276 --> 00:28:16,944 That began a big dispute. 482 00:28:17,071 --> 00:28:19,697 - The city negotiated and agreed on a price, 483 00:28:19,824 --> 00:28:20,614 and I think it was in the neighborhood 484 00:28:20,741 --> 00:28:22,491 of about $4 million. 485 00:28:22,618 --> 00:28:25,369 The person that was in charge of selling the property 486 00:28:25,496 --> 00:28:28,330 said to Miscavige "there's a contract on it." 487 00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:31,583 And Miscavige said "I will beat that price." 488 00:28:34,672 --> 00:28:36,525 And went up to about 14 million. 489 00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:39,466 - 14 million. - Which is 10 million more 490 00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:41,051 than what it is. 491 00:28:41,178 --> 00:28:43,138 Miscavige promised us the world. 492 00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:45,180 "If you let me buy this property, 493 00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,683 I will renovate Downtown Clearwater." 494 00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:49,226 Showed all of our commissioners. 495 00:28:49,353 --> 00:28:50,789 "This is what it's going to look like, 496 00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:52,771 "but let me buy that piece of property. 497 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:55,607 If you don't let me buy it, I'm not." 498 00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:58,694 - The head of the Clearwater Aquarium, David Yates, 499 00:28:58,821 --> 00:29:01,071 was the one who said 500 00:29:01,198 --> 00:29:03,240 "We've got a deal with the city. 501 00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:05,220 "I work with the city every day. 502 00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:07,097 "No matter how much money you offer me, 503 00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:10,748 I'm a man of my word. I'm sticking to it." 504 00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,958 David Miscavige doesn't take kindly 505 00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:17,296 to people not complying with his wishes. 506 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:23,051 Scientology then started writing letters to the county. 507 00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,220 To try and rescind his funding, 508 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,347 saying he's overpaid. 509 00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:33,437 And this is a scam, and they should be prosecuting him. 510 00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:39,610 And that he's violating the tax laws. 511 00:29:39,737 --> 00:29:43,697 Like, it was astonishing. - Yeah. 512 00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,825 - The seller said "No deal, it goes to the city." 513 00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:49,953 Things pretty much shut down, as a curtain, 514 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,249 when they dissed, so to speak, Miscavige. 515 00:29:54,376 --> 00:29:56,126 Miscavige, now, he said 516 00:29:56,253 --> 00:29:59,797 "No renovation, no paint, nothing." 517 00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:01,215 - Right. 518 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,302 This is what a leader of a church 519 00:30:05,429 --> 00:30:07,971 is spending his time doing? 520 00:30:08,098 --> 00:30:10,808 He's punishing David Yates and the aquarium 521 00:30:10,935 --> 00:30:12,746 for not selling David Miscavige 522 00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:14,645 and Scientology the property. 523 00:30:14,772 --> 00:30:16,814 The punishment is "I'm going to keep 524 00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:19,566 Downtown Clearwater a ghost town." 525 00:30:19,693 --> 00:30:22,569 It's insane to me. 526 00:30:22,696 --> 00:30:24,822 It's sick. 527 00:30:24,949 --> 00:30:27,533 - If it wasn't for the empty storefronts, 528 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:29,660 if there was more activity downtown, 529 00:30:29,703 --> 00:30:33,205 I think we would... It wouldn't be such an impact. 530 00:30:33,332 --> 00:30:35,541 - What most people do is they avoid downtown. 531 00:30:35,668 --> 00:30:37,479 That's what they're doing. - Yeah. 532 00:30:37,503 --> 00:30:39,461 - The fact that we can't go to restaurants 533 00:30:39,588 --> 00:30:40,868 like we used to be able to have, 534 00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:43,507 and wonderful, you know, places to visit. 535 00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:45,843 They're buying up property, and... and... 536 00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:48,095 And taking that away from us. - Right. 537 00:30:48,222 --> 00:30:51,014 - They buy property that they have absolutely no use for 538 00:30:51,141 --> 00:30:52,641 and turn it into parks. 539 00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:54,371 - The do that because they want to 540 00:30:54,395 --> 00:30:56,311 keep the people that come in, 541 00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:57,855 the Scientologists that come in, 542 00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,582 from seeing the rest of the world, right? 543 00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:01,545 - No, they want the rest of the world 544 00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:04,089 to not be able to see, and see what they're doing. 545 00:31:04,113 --> 00:31:08,156 - But also, being around, you know, "civilians," you know, 546 00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:09,658 is... is very dangerous. 547 00:31:11,412 --> 00:31:14,705 - Today, Scientology has almost achieved 548 00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:17,457 it's objective of 549 00:31:17,585 --> 00:31:21,712 complete subjugation of Downtown Clearwater. 550 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,006 Of the city officials. 551 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:28,969 Of taking over vast tracts of the city, 552 00:31:29,096 --> 00:31:33,348 and turning it into the first Scientology city on Earth. 553 00:31:56,373 --> 00:32:00,375 - Betsy, let's fast forward to how you came 554 00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:03,587 to meet me for the first time, 555 00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:05,609 and what happened as a result of that. 556 00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:08,300 - Yeah, it... well, you know, 557 00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:11,178 I got a flavor for what they can do to people. 558 00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:14,014 - Betsy Steg was never a Scientologist 559 00:32:14,141 --> 00:32:17,726 We became friends when she reached out on the blog, 560 00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:21,897 and I met her and her husband, 561 00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:28,278 and she suffered the consequences of befriending me. 562 00:32:28,405 --> 00:32:30,155 - You know, Mike and I met. 563 00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:32,574 I had commented on Marty Rathbun's blog 564 00:32:32,701 --> 00:32:37,245 a long time ago, probably 2009, 2010, something like that. 565 00:32:37,373 --> 00:32:39,351 But through that, I got to know you, 566 00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:42,167 and then, you had your wedding 567 00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:44,920 at my rental property, at The Cedar House. 568 00:32:45,047 --> 00:32:48,048 And I thought it was a great wedding, it was beautiful. 569 00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:49,986 Everything was... seamed perfect. 570 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:54,179 But a couple days after that, I get a knock on my door. 571 00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,034 I live in a gated community, and somehow, 572 00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,432 these people got to... 573 00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,120 - These people being Peter Mansell 574 00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:00,622 from the Offices from Special Affairs. 575 00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:02,938 - Peter Mansell, yeah, and a woman. 576 00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:06,608 They said "we are sent here by the Church of Scientology" 577 00:33:06,735 --> 00:33:10,570 to tell me that they knew that I was friends with you. 578 00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:12,406 They knew who I am. 579 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:15,450 They wanted me to know that they know where I live. 580 00:33:15,577 --> 00:33:18,328 They know everything about us, and that they're going to do 581 00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:20,664 everything they can to destroy me. 582 00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:22,686 "Harm and destroy" me was the words. 583 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:24,960 - What? - Yeah. 584 00:33:25,087 --> 00:33:27,671 They continued on, saying that, "We're going to call" 585 00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:29,881 "every Scientologist in Clearwater, 586 00:33:30,009 --> 00:33:31,069 "and they're going to do everything that they can 587 00:33:31,093 --> 00:33:32,926 to destroy you." 588 00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:35,448 I didn't even know what to do. I... I just, I was stunned. 589 00:33:35,472 --> 00:33:37,117 I was... - In shock. 590 00:33:37,141 --> 00:33:39,035 - I... yeah, I was just, like, my God. 591 00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:41,184 And I shut... Just shut the door on them. 592 00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:44,312 - Yeah. - And I called the cops, 593 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,834 you know, because they're threatening to destroy me. 594 00:33:45,858 --> 00:33:47,002 They know my kids and everything, you know? 595 00:33:47,026 --> 00:33:47,816 - Right. - You know, the family, 596 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,776 and everything. 597 00:33:49,903 --> 00:33:52,007 So I make the call to the Clearwater Police Department. 598 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:53,717 I tell them, you know, "This is what they said. 599 00:33:53,741 --> 00:33:55,301 It was Peter Mansell, and this other woman." 600 00:33:55,325 --> 00:33:57,262 And the officer goes "I know who he is. 601 00:33:57,286 --> 00:33:58,910 I'll go talk to him." 602 00:33:59,038 --> 00:34:01,955 And he, months later, emails me back and says 603 00:34:02,082 --> 00:34:05,167 "Oh, yeah, I... I called their attorney, 604 00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:07,377 "and I told the attorney 605 00:34:07,504 --> 00:34:08,940 "that they shouldn't do things like that, 606 00:34:08,964 --> 00:34:11,109 because it's bad for their public relations." 607 00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:12,549 That's his email. 608 00:34:12,676 --> 00:34:14,843 He's giving them public relations advice. 609 00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:17,804 - Wow. - And at my expense. 610 00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:20,474 If any of us had done that, we'd be arrested. 611 00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:36,615 Recently, I had a guy that was chopping down my hedges 612 00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:38,762 at my rental property at The Cedar House. 613 00:34:38,786 --> 00:34:41,078 He said that the city had him do this. 614 00:34:41,205 --> 00:34:43,016 I think it was a Scientology neighbor 615 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,457 who's now doing the Fair Gaming against me. 616 00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:47,709 She wants to see what's going on in there. 617 00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:49,628 Fortunately, I caught him 618 00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:52,380 removing my hedges, and chopping up the fence. 619 00:34:52,508 --> 00:34:54,257 - Un-frickin'-believable. 620 00:34:54,384 --> 00:34:55,820 - So I scoot him off the property. 621 00:34:55,844 --> 00:34:57,469 I go home, call the cops. 622 00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,699 I couldn't get them to respond to my calls 623 00:34:59,723 --> 00:35:02,390 once they found out that Scientology had been involved, 624 00:35:02,518 --> 00:35:04,478 or that I was Scientology's enemy. 625 00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:07,521 So I took it down to them, wrote it up, 626 00:35:07,648 --> 00:35:09,731 gave them the statues that was violated, 627 00:35:09,858 --> 00:35:11,525 and they resisted taking that 628 00:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,985 to the state attorney's office for prosecution. 629 00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:15,507 They didn't want to do it. They told me 630 00:35:15,531 --> 00:35:16,988 "Don't do this," you know. 631 00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:19,324 And I said I was going to take it myself. 632 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,221 I'll drive it down to criminal courts, 633 00:35:21,245 --> 00:35:22,994 and have them do it there. 634 00:35:23,122 --> 00:35:25,664 So they finally got the prosecutor involved, 635 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:29,459 and at that point, it was a felony charge, 636 00:35:29,586 --> 00:35:31,586 and the judge issues a warrant 637 00:35:31,713 --> 00:35:33,817 to pick up the person who's been charged with a felony, 638 00:35:33,841 --> 00:35:36,133 and have him booked, fingerprinted, whatever. 639 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:39,386 They never did that. It's a court order 640 00:35:39,513 --> 00:35:41,593 that the Clearwater police were ignoring. 641 00:35:44,143 --> 00:35:46,037 They should do that in, what, a couple days? 642 00:35:46,061 --> 00:35:47,310 Execute the arrest warrant? 643 00:35:47,437 --> 00:35:49,332 - So where's... What's happening now? 644 00:35:49,356 --> 00:35:51,596 - Well... well, actually, I had to... I called the state, 645 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:54,401 and one of the prosecutors knows another guy 646 00:35:54,528 --> 00:35:55,861 whose brother works for the 647 00:35:55,988 --> 00:35:57,904 City of Clearwater Police Department, 648 00:35:58,031 --> 00:36:01,158 and they got him to eventually execute it six weeks later. 649 00:36:01,285 --> 00:36:02,659 We had the criminal trial. 650 00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,744 I got restitution. They found him guilty. 651 00:36:04,872 --> 00:36:07,080 - Then, the city disclaimed any... I mean, 652 00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:10,667 being involved at all in having him do it, but... 653 00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:13,003 - Unreal, man. - It's... yeah, the fact that 654 00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:15,964 the Clearwater Police was so willing to ignore 655 00:36:16,091 --> 00:36:18,717 or just not execute a court order. 656 00:36:18,844 --> 00:36:21,511 - From threatening you to chopping down your trees 657 00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:24,055 on your property to be able to spy on you 658 00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:27,726 because you simply offered your home 659 00:36:27,853 --> 00:36:29,539 to Mike and Christie for their wedding. 660 00:36:29,563 --> 00:36:33,398 - Yeah, exactly. That... that is the basis of it. 661 00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,276 And now, there's a neighbor that's constantly complaining 662 00:36:36,403 --> 00:36:38,945 to the city about me. 663 00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:40,717 - The woman who lives across from you, who lives... 664 00:36:40,741 --> 00:36:42,844 - She lives right next door to the Cedar House. 665 00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:45,243 - To... to your rental property. - Yeah. 666 00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:47,495 - This is what a tax-exempt organization 667 00:36:47,623 --> 00:36:51,499 is spending their time on, is spying on you. 668 00:36:55,005 --> 00:36:57,714 - So disappointing that, as a citizen, 669 00:36:57,841 --> 00:36:59,819 I have nothing to do with Scientology. 670 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:01,384 I'm just minding my own business, 671 00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:04,095 and we have put up with the city 672 00:37:04,223 --> 00:37:06,181 playing along with whatever she wants them to do, 673 00:37:06,308 --> 00:37:09,226 so that's been... that's the biggest disappointment for me. 674 00:37:09,353 --> 00:37:11,623 - Is there anything that she can do here, Dennis? 675 00:37:11,647 --> 00:37:13,541 I mean, it just seems this is a... 676 00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:17,234 She did not sign up for a life of being harassed 677 00:37:17,361 --> 00:37:19,527 by this crazy Scientologist, 678 00:37:19,655 --> 00:37:25,742 and again, wasting resources of the city to work for them. 679 00:37:25,869 --> 00:37:29,204 - She could bring an action, but... but the wave 680 00:37:29,331 --> 00:37:32,958 that would come back on her, and the financial obligations 681 00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:35,460 that she would go through, and the more harassment 682 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,421 she would have in courtrooms based upon it, 683 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,006 it would bring her to her knees. 684 00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:41,633 Part of the problem, though, 685 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,427 and a lot of people won't admit to this. 686 00:37:44,554 --> 00:37:48,765 Uh, there's a certain amount of fear 687 00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:51,518 because of the last 25, 30 years, 688 00:37:51,645 --> 00:37:53,561 to see these things happening. 689 00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:56,481 And I think, partly... I now understand 690 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,234 that you had asked other people to join us today, 691 00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:02,028 and they politely said no. 692 00:38:11,164 --> 00:38:17,335 And I think, partly, it's because of... they do understand 693 00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:20,714 how ruthless they can be, and they don't want to be next. 694 00:38:20,841 --> 00:38:22,299 They don't want to be next. 695 00:38:34,688 --> 00:38:37,083 - You walk into Downtown Clearwater, 696 00:38:37,107 --> 00:38:40,066 and it is like walking into "The Night of the Living Dead." 697 00:38:43,613 --> 00:38:45,780 It's "The Dead Zone." - Right. 698 00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:48,408 - Nothing is happening there. Nobody's on the streets 699 00:38:48,535 --> 00:38:51,411 except people in uniforms, and that's it. 700 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:57,125 The sort of heart of North Pinellas County is dead. 701 00:38:57,252 --> 00:38:59,961 - If Scientology really cared about our community, 702 00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:03,131 they would be welcoming people. 703 00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:06,092 - The Flag Building in Downtown Clearwater 704 00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:09,346 is assessed at over $20 million. 705 00:39:09,473 --> 00:39:12,891 It is tax exempt because it is their church. 706 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:16,519 What I'd like to ask if that went on fire, 707 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,374 who would put it out? - Right. 708 00:39:18,398 --> 00:39:21,232 - The Clear... The Clearwater Fire Department. 709 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,485 Who pays for the Clearwater Fire Department? 710 00:39:23,612 --> 00:39:25,195 The taxpayers. 711 00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:27,383 They're still going to put that fire out. 712 00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:31,159 So they get that benefit, and yet, they're making money, 713 00:39:31,286 --> 00:39:33,078 and making money, and making money. 714 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:34,954 - Yeah. 715 00:39:35,082 --> 00:39:37,749 You guys, you know, really mean a lot to us 716 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,167 for the work that you've done, 717 00:39:39,294 --> 00:39:41,189 and your instincts probably said 718 00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:42,774 "I've had enough of this crap with Scientology." 719 00:39:42,798 --> 00:39:43,671 - Mm, yeah. - "I don't want 720 00:39:43,799 --> 00:39:45,318 the Fair Gaming." - Right. 721 00:39:45,342 --> 00:39:47,612 - Um, but you're willing to do it. 722 00:39:47,636 --> 00:39:50,136 - I mean, it won't work unless people come forward, 723 00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:53,139 but if we live here, are they going to be protesting 724 00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,058 out in front of my law office tomorrow? 725 00:39:55,185 --> 00:39:57,727 Maybe. - There's safety in numbers. 726 00:39:57,854 --> 00:40:00,146 If there were a hundred of you, 727 00:40:00,273 --> 00:40:03,650 they can't protest in front of 100 law offices. 728 00:40:03,777 --> 00:40:06,945 - And people, I think, need to start to understand 729 00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,322 that they do have the power to do something. 730 00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:13,576 It's been a decades-long fight 731 00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:15,703 for the heart and soul of this city. 732 00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:22,168 The real tragedy is that today, 733 00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:24,462 it's worse than ever. 734 00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:26,381 Because it's still happening. 735 00:40:27,884 --> 00:40:30,343 It's still happening. 736 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,178 It's not history. 737 00:40:43,525 --> 00:40:46,526 - This is the most insane place on Earth. 738 00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:52,282 When it comes to Scientology, this is insanity HQ. 739 00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,827 - Yeah, there you go. This is a big crime. 740 00:41:02,711 --> 00:41:07,130 - Lisa McPherson was a devout Scientologist for 15 years. 741 00:41:07,257 --> 00:41:10,508 She got into a minor fender bender in Downtown Clearwater, 742 00:41:10,635 --> 00:41:15,013 and by the time the police came and the ambulance, 743 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,640 she had stripped off all of her clothes, 744 00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,852 and was walking down the street naked. 745 00:41:22,689 --> 00:41:24,750 And a paramedic came up to her and said 746 00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:26,357 "Why are you doing this?" 747 00:41:26,485 --> 00:41:28,004 And she said "Because I need somebody 748 00:41:28,028 --> 00:41:29,028 to pay attention to me." 749 00:41:30,739 --> 00:41:34,157 - Just as a person in this town of Clearwater, 750 00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:37,076 I don't think anybody really understood 751 00:41:37,204 --> 00:41:40,121 what was about to go down. 752 00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:43,374 - The last three days of her life, 753 00:41:43,502 --> 00:41:46,419 those records were destroyed. 754 00:41:51,134 --> 00:41:54,802 - Decades ago, the city of Clearwater was fighting back. 755 00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:59,265 You had people willing to stand up and fight. 756 00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:02,435 - Bob Minton gathered a few of us to town 757 00:42:02,562 --> 00:42:06,481 to stand up to Scientology because the city wasn't. 758 00:42:06,608 --> 00:42:10,401 - We know that what Scientology does to people is not good. 759 00:42:10,529 --> 00:42:12,445 - Hey, Jeff, are you a woman? 760 00:42:12,572 --> 00:42:14,509 - It's not right, it's not just. 761 00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:16,719 It shouldn't be happening, and it especially 762 00:42:16,743 --> 00:42:19,327 shouldn't be happening here in, you know, 763 00:42:19,454 --> 00:42:22,622 what is supposed to be the freest country in the world. 764 00:42:22,749 --> 00:42:25,333 - You were in court, Stacy, when that was issued. 765 00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:27,961 - He was out on the street trying to get us arrested. 766 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:29,879 - Go join your Nazi friends! 767 00:42:30,006 --> 00:42:31,609 - There was violence and arrests, 768 00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:33,873 and it got ugly. It got ugly for the whole town. 769 00:42:33,969 --> 00:42:35,468 Got ugly for Scientology. 770 00:42:35,595 --> 00:42:37,262 - Bob was my hero. 771 00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:39,549 - He just came down to make our city better. 772 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:41,975 - It was not a pretty ending. 62506

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