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[eerie music playing]
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[Amy] This thing is,
like, putting these
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weird thoughts in her head.
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Getting her all worked up
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to act out.
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[Paige] She got a lot more
explosive and volatile.
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Don't know what
could be causing that.
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There has to have been some
violent outburst on her part.
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[Jennifer] He shot her
in the head,
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and then himself.
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So it was a murder-suicide.
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Yes.
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We will never know how many
people were murdered that night.
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It was reaching down
from the ceiling,
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and putting its hands
inside a female's head.
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If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna
have to do it the bloody hard way.
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[Amy] It just manipulates people's
thoughts and causes problems.
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Now, it's out of, like, revenge.
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[car door opens]
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[Amy] Oh, boy.
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I don't feel safe.
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The earth is not stable here.
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And it's, like, moving too fast.
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And I feel sick.
That sickness comes in.
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The land here, it's all about death.
Like, everybody's dying.
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This is not a good situation.
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[Steve] I'm in Orlando, Florida.
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Locals call it the City Beautiful.
And I can see why.
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I got a call from a terrified
woman named Jennifer.
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Says whatever's in the house
killed her former in-laws,
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and now it wants her dead.
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Jennifer says the activity
is getting worse day by day,
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and it's trying to rip her
and her daughter apart.
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I'm hoping Amy and I can help
before it's too late.
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So, I'm glad I'm here.
I mean, I love Orlando.
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It's a gorgeous area,
but when we spoke on the phone,
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you were basically saying,
"I live in Hell."
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What the hell's going on?
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There is not, uh, one day
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where things are just
completely normal and okay.
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There's something very evil here.
And it is trying to kill me.
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And I believe that
it has the power to do so.
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I am desperate.
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I need you guys.
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Let's get the basics.
Who lives in the house?
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Myself.
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My husband, Ian, who's 47.
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My daughter Paige,
from a previous relationship, who is 30.
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[Steve] On the phone,
you said whatever is here
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is trying to tear you and your
daughter apart. What's going on?
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[Jennifer] It has
devolved so badly
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that we can't be in the
same room for very long.
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Really?
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Mmm.
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Do me a favor and give me
a list of the stuff
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you guys are experiencing here.
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We hear strange noises.
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Our health is being attacked.
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We're seeing shadow figures
and apparitions.
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And we experience
physical violence.
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So, Jen, when we spoke
on the phone,
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you had mentioned a tragedy, um...
[sighs]...in this house.
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What the hell happened?
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My daughter's grandparents,
Kathy and David,
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took their lives
in my daughter's closet.
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He shot her in the head,
and then himself.
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So it was a murder-suicide.
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Yes.
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And, so, how long ago
did this happen?
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Three years ago.
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That is Kathy and David.
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[Steve] They look really happy
in this picture. It's sad.
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You recall how old they might have
been at the time this happened?
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Late '70's.
- [Steve] Okay.
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They were very proud,
strong people
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who had taken care of themselves
and their entire families--
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Okay.
- [Jennifer]...for the whole
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of their lives.
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And I don't think
that was their decision.
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Whose decision
do you think it was then?
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I think they were influenced.
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All right, so I just wanna
get down to brass tacks here.
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You believe the paranormal had
something to do with their suicides.
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I really do.
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Okay.
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[Amy] There is a very
heavy atmosphere.
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Death is here.
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Somebody died in this area.
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There's, like, some
dead old lady over there.
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You know, she's probably,
like, I don't know, 70?
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She's, like, super confused, so I'm,
like, trying to tell her that, like...
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You know, I'm like,
"Do you see the ambulance?"
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And she is like, "Yeah."
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And I'm like, "You need to go
in the ambulance.
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"Like, that was for you."
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I think that she,
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you know, maybe, like,
had a sudden death.
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I think this was fairly recent.
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I'd say, like,
within the last 10 years.
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Then there's also, uh,
something about a suicide.
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Uh, I think a male
who killed himself. Hmm.
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[Steve] Okay, so,
what's going on around the house?
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I see an apparition often
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of an older white man,
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who says some
pretty nasty things.
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[Steve] Like what?
- He says that
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nobody would be here
if it wasn't for him,
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that he owns all of this.
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"And you're all here
because of me."
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Okay, anything else?
- That same
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older gentleman has jumped
me on a few occasions.
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So when he jumps you
like that, what happens?
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I feel intense emotion
that does not come from me.
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Okay.
- And I wind up screaming
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and yelling crazy things.
- [Steve] That's interesting.
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So what's coming out of your
mouth, though, do you even know?
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I do know.
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Things like...
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"You don't appreciate me.
You don't appreciate what I've done.
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"You don't recognize
what I've done.
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"I built everything,
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"and you do not
appreciate me."
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All right, anything else?
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Something else in the house
is influencing me emotionally.
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I get very upset, paranoid,
angry, sad, fearful.
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[Steve] Now is this a different
feeling from when you get jumped?
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[Jennifer] Yes.
I'm not sure what it is,
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I just wind up being really angry
with myself, that I'm failing.
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All right, so I gotta ask,
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could it be medications you're on
that are making you feel like this?
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No.
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What do you think its purpose
is, to do that to you?
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To drive you nuts?
- [Jennifer] Yes.
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Okay.
- And to
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make my family
think I'm completely unhinged
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and so, therefore, they should
discount what I say.
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Which causes more friction
between you and your daughter.
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A great deal.
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[door opens]
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[Amy] Uh, I think
this is living people.
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Male and a female,
and they're having a really loud fight.
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Bad.
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So there's fighting,
fighting, fighting,
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and then the female
storming off that way.
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She's got brown hair.
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And I hear, "Jessica."
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I'm hearing a male being, like,
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"You're just
losing your mind."
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You know,
"You're losing your mind."
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This, this living person
is crying.
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Okay.
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Something's up.
They have an attic.
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I see this, like, little thing.
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It's, like, hiding.
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[Mathew] What is?
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[Amy] It's, like, a little,
like, gremlin-y looking thing.
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It doesn't wanna be found.
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[Mathew] Does this have
any effect on the living?
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[Amy] Yeah, it's bad.
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[Steve] All right, Jennifer,
I'm assuming this is your own bedroom?
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[Jennifer] Yes.
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[Steve] Okay, so
what's going on?
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I have
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seen a dark figure
that looks very much
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like a big, giant frog.
It's about the size of a human toddler.
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Okay, so, I'm trying to figure
out what this would look like.
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I actually drew it.
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Like a sketch?
- [Jennifer] Yes.
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[Steve] Wow.
It looks like a frog.
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I'm afraid to even ask,
but what else?
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I keep waking up
with bruises on my body.
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I have a photo
of one of the bruises
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that were left
on the inside of my arm.
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[Steve] Okay.
- [Jennifer] It's usually
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three bruises together.
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[Steve] Okay.
- [Jennifer] Like this.
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You have wood tables here.
Everything is wood.
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Yeah, I do get bruises
from those. But it's always
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on the outside.
- Okay.
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All right, anything else
like this happen?
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I felt a burning sensation
on my cheek.
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Okay.
- [Jennifer] And I found
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a scratch on my face.
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[Steve] This could have been an
allergic reaction to something?
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No.
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No.
- [Jennifer] My face gets red
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when I have allergic reactions.
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But it doesn't...
Not in, like, one little spot.
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All right, so,
what else is going on?
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There is an apparition
that I see
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that is a tall, gray man,
giving off a feeling of hate.
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[Steve] Okay,
what's he look like?
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He's disproportionate in
that his legs are very long,
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his arms are very long.
And the torso is very long.
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[Steve] Okay.
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And it just looks odd.
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Do you think this is the thing
or person that
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caused your in-laws to do
what they did?
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And causing all the havoc
that's going on here?
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And maybe wanting to kill you?
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I do.
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I think he wants people
to do harm--
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[Steve] Right.
- ...and hurt others
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and themselves.
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What are you hoping you can get out of
our investigation, now that we're here?
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I'm not sure
it's even possible anymore,
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but I would love
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to have my normal relationship
back with my daughter
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for one.
- Hmm.
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And I would just love to be able to
live every day without being attacked.
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[Amy] That gremlin looking thing
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is torturing the living woman
in this room.
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I did see, like, arms
reaching through the ceiling.
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Like, dangling down,
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going into a female's head,
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and, like, I think she's asleep.
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And they're causing, um, issues.
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So, like, weird visions.
I don't think they're good.
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More like having visions of,
like bad things are about to happen.
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Like, to family or friends.
Themselves.
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And I think it's working.
I think this person's become very
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scared and neurotic.
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Her reality is really, really,
really skewed,
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because this thing is,
like, putting these weird
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thoughts in her head,
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and causing her to be paranoid
and depressed and anxious.
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This is bad.
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So, Paige, let me
just start off by
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extending my condolences about what
happened with your grandparents.
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Thank you. I appreciate that.
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[Steve] What kind of people
were your grandparents?
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They were... [sighs] They
were really special people.
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They were very
dedicated parents,
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they were hard working.
They were my inspiration.
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I understand your grandparents
committed suicide
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somewhere in this room
in a closet?
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[Paige] Yeah, the master bedroom
closet, it's back that way.
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[Steve] Okay.
- [Paige] It's a big walk-in.
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Do you even think
your grandparents are here?
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I think that's
entirely possible.
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Okay, so, if you can,
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Paige, give me, um,
some of the experiences you've had.
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There was a lot of things
that I would do and say
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that I would be told that I...
Aren't part of my character.
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It just felt like something
else might be influencing that.
246
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[Steve] Your mom mentioned she's
going through something similar.
247
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When it happens with you, though,
what are we talking about?
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Like, yelling, as if, like,
249
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the people I love
are somebody else.
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It's like I would forget
for a minute who they were.
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Has your relationship with mom
changed since she's moved here?
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Yes.
253
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There just seemed to be a lot more
miscommunication, misunderstandings,
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but she got a lot more
explosive and volatile,
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and I don't know
what could be causing that.
256
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[Amy groans]
Really negative energy.
257
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Very negative.
258
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Absolute hatred.
259
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"Can't get out of here. There's no way out.
I've gotta get out of here."
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This is the female.
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"Bad [bleep] gonna go down.
Bad things."
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Okay, so this does concern me.
263
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So, that gremlin looking thing is also
messing with the living woman in this room.
264
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I just see the hands
coming down,
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coming down, coming down,
wherever, wherever, wherever.
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Coming down,
manipulating her thoughts,
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getting her all worked up
to act out.
268
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Why is it doing that?
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Well, now it's just pissed,
so it's just, like,
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"I'm just gonna do this." You
know, like, "[bleep] you, bitch."
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Has she acted on that,
or tried to act on that?
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There has to have been some
violent outburst on her part,
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like, where she has
[bleep] lost it.
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Which definitely is being,
275
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uh, manipulated by this thing,
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to get worse.
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She wants to hurt others.
278
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That's not good.
279
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All right, anything else
you could tell me about?
280
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I've been grabbed a few times,
281
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I mean, definitely
a couple of times.
282
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Distinctively felt
like fingertips.
283
00:15:00,933 --> 00:15:03,069
Okay, so where did this happen?
Give me an example.
284
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Hallway leading to the garage,
right there.
285
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I was grabbed
and pulled by my elbow.
286
00:15:08,255 --> 00:15:12,510
So how hard are we talking?
Grab my elbow, just give me an idea.
287
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All right, so not too hard.
- No, not too hard.
288
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It was just enough to...
289
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Firm pinch and pull.
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Like they were trying
to get my attention.
291
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Anything else like that happen?
292
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[Paige] I woke up,
293
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and noticed bruising on my neck.
294
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What kind of bruise was it?
Was it like finger marks?
295
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Was it just a blotch?
296
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There was only
a few finger marks.
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So it--
- So it looked like
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somebody grabbed you
and tried to choke you.
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Right,
- What do you think
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it could be?
301
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Whatever part of what's here
feels, like,
302
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pure hatred and malice.
303
00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:47,713
Okay.
304
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[Amy] There's this
woman here, living.
305
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She brought that thing.
306
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This feels like within
the last four or five years.
307
00:16:01,815 --> 00:16:04,781
Something about
four or five years.
308
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It didn't attach to her,
it's more like she grabbed it.
309
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She collected it.
310
00:16:10,899 --> 00:16:14,544
I think she might have
wanted to be haunted.
311
00:16:15,645 --> 00:16:19,137
She had issues
throughout her life.
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Something about death happening
near, with her, recently.
313
00:16:24,798 --> 00:16:27,476
I would say in the last
two or three years.
314
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Now this gremlin looking thing
has gone over there
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and it's [bleep]
with the other woman.
316
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[Steve] So, I just got a call
from the local historian.
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He did some digging,
318
00:16:42,272 --> 00:16:45,154
and found out that one of the
first owners of Jennifer's land,
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dreamed of turning it
into a huge development.
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But the second he put the
money together to do it,
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tragedy struck.
322
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I'm heading over to meet
with him to find out
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exactly what happened.
324
00:17:00,069 --> 00:17:01,832
Well, Richard, I appreciate
you meeting with me
325
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and helping me out on this case.
326
00:17:03,764 --> 00:17:05,730
All right, let's get right to it.
Who is this guy?
327
00:17:05,747 --> 00:17:08,984
His name was
Walter Washington Rose.
328
00:17:09,001 --> 00:17:11,815
He was born in
Athens, Georgia, in 1887,
329
00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:13,831
to a political family
in the area.
330
00:17:13,849 --> 00:17:16,815
[Steve] Okay.
So, when does he make it out to Orlando?
331
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The first time
we really hear about
332
00:17:18,781 --> 00:17:23,069
Walter moving to the Central
Florida area is in 1909.
333
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[Steve] Now, on the phone,
you mentioned he was a land developer.
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Is that right?
335
00:17:26,171 --> 00:17:28,306
[Richard] Yeah, he was
buying large tracts of land
336
00:17:28,323 --> 00:17:31,255
and developing some of the most
popular subdivisions in Orlando.
337
00:17:31,272 --> 00:17:34,950
In some of the business dealings
that he had in real estate,
338
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it stipulated that the owners
of the land had to be white.
339
00:17:39,899 --> 00:17:41,052
[Steve] All right, Richard,
let me ask you a question.
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When does he wind up
buying my client's property?
341
00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:47,255
Well, in 1925, he ends up
buying 380 acres
342
00:17:47,272 --> 00:17:50,713
of what was, then,
unincorporated West Orange County,
343
00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:52,205
which included the property
of your client.
344
00:17:52,222 --> 00:17:55,781
Walter's dream at the time was to
build another popular community,
345
00:17:55,798 --> 00:17:58,747
in Central Florida,
called Rose Hill Groves.
346
00:17:58,764 --> 00:18:02,611
It took 33 years for him
to secure the financing
347
00:18:02,628 --> 00:18:03,866
to build Rose Hill Groves.
348
00:18:03,883 --> 00:18:05,916
It wasn't until 1958,
349
00:18:05,933 --> 00:18:08,086
that he had everything
in place to break ground.
350
00:18:08,103 --> 00:18:10,374
He finally gets the financing
together in 1958,
351
00:18:10,391 --> 00:18:13,120
but you said on the phone that's
when tragedy struck. What happened?
352
00:18:13,137 --> 00:18:16,883
Well, in the early morning
hours of August 30th, 1958,
353
00:18:16,899 --> 00:18:18,764
Walter wakes up
in the middle of the night.
354
00:18:18,781 --> 00:18:20,357
He's in severe pain.
- Okay.
355
00:18:20,374 --> 00:18:23,950
So he gets up out of bed, his wife
Stella doesn't think anything of it.
356
00:18:23,967 --> 00:18:25,950
Okay.
- Eventually, she finds him
357
00:18:25,967 --> 00:18:29,645
lying dead in the bathroom.
In fact, this is his obituary.
358
00:18:30,323 --> 00:18:34,154
Walter Rose was 71 years old,
when he died of a heart attack.
359
00:18:34,171 --> 00:18:36,933
All right, so what happens
to the 380 acres?
360
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:39,916
Well, unfortunately,
after Walter dies,
361
00:18:39,933 --> 00:18:41,984
his dream does with him.
- Okay.
362
00:18:42,001 --> 00:18:45,967
His wife holds on to the
property for another 30 years.
363
00:18:45,984 --> 00:18:48,967
It's never developed.
And in 1985,
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00:18:48,984 --> 00:18:51,950
she ends up selling it to
another land development company.
365
00:18:51,967 --> 00:18:53,916
And that company,
eventually, ends up
366
00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:56,730
building your client's home
in 1986.
367
00:18:56,747 --> 00:18:58,459
Wow, okay.
368
00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:04,662
[Amy] There's something about the earth
here, that's so unstable.
369
00:19:05,628 --> 00:19:08,120
It's become angry, violent.
370
00:19:08,137 --> 00:19:11,594
There's some kind of movement,
and it's not safe.
371
00:19:12,662 --> 00:19:16,832
There was, like,
this whoosh of illness,
372
00:19:16,849 --> 00:19:20,984
which I think has to do
with the earth.
373
00:19:21,001 --> 00:19:25,781
The living, maybe they're
having equilibrium problems.
374
00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:29,866
Equilibrium issue can
also cause some nausea.
375
00:19:29,883 --> 00:19:32,696
Do you think people are
in danger because of this?
376
00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:34,713
I kind of think so.
377
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:35,713
Like, what could happen?
378
00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:37,696
I don't know.
But I don't feel safe.
379
00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:42,984
[Steve] So I reached out
to a local PI,
380
00:19:43,001 --> 00:19:46,289
and told her about what happened
with Jennifer's in-laws.
381
00:19:46,764 --> 00:19:47,933
She did some digging and found
382
00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:51,035
two more murder-suicides
right near the house.
383
00:19:51,052 --> 00:19:55,374
I gotta say, for a small town,
this is very unusual.
384
00:20:00,289 --> 00:20:03,815
So, Ting, thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate that.
385
00:20:03,832 --> 00:20:05,967
Let's start with the first case.
What did you find out?
386
00:20:05,984 --> 00:20:07,933
[Ting] So, it's said to be
a 41-year-old female
387
00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:09,764
by the name of Wanda Gayford.
388
00:20:09,781 --> 00:20:10,730
Okay.
- [Ting] And her husband,
389
00:20:10,747 --> 00:20:12,730
that's 34-year-old Andrew.
390
00:20:12,747 --> 00:20:14,154
They married in 1997,
391
00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:17,255
and lived right around the
corner from your client's home.
392
00:20:17,272 --> 00:20:20,832
They were married for only six
months, when things went bad.
393
00:20:20,849 --> 00:20:23,781
Andrew was arrested
for domestic battery,
394
00:20:23,798 --> 00:20:26,035
because he threw Wanda up
against a wall in their home.
395
00:20:26,052 --> 00:20:27,933
[Steve] So this guy sounds
like a real piece of work.
396
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:30,730
So, does he do time?
Or does he get out?
397
00:20:30,747 --> 00:20:32,052
He only spends
the night in jail.
398
00:20:32,069 --> 00:20:35,713
And in the morning, his arraignment,
they release him on bond
399
00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:37,832
and tell him
to stay away from Wanda.
400
00:20:37,849 --> 00:20:39,883
So, he didn't
stay away, obviously.
401
00:20:39,899 --> 00:20:42,730
That is correct.
So, on the morning of September 29th,
402
00:20:42,747 --> 00:20:44,086
things turned deadly.
403
00:20:44,103 --> 00:20:47,866
He goes home, and they actually have
an argument, outside on the driveway,
404
00:20:47,883 --> 00:20:50,696
for about 30 minutes,
according to eye witnesses.
405
00:20:50,713 --> 00:20:52,764
And the argument escalates.
406
00:20:52,781 --> 00:20:54,713
He pulls a gun out
from his trunk.
407
00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:56,916
Wanda sees this,
jumps in her vehicle,
408
00:20:56,933 --> 00:20:59,594
drives across the
neighbor's yard to get away.
409
00:20:59,611 --> 00:21:01,645
And he fires six shots at her.
410
00:21:01,662 --> 00:21:03,018
Okay, so does she get hit?
411
00:21:03,035 --> 00:21:04,984
So, one of the rounds
actually hits her,
412
00:21:05,001 --> 00:21:07,950
and she crashes her vehicle
into a nearby vehicle.
413
00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:09,832
Okay.
- So he jumps in his vehicle,
414
00:21:09,849 --> 00:21:14,747
pulls up next to her and shoots
her at point blank range.
415
00:21:14,764 --> 00:21:16,018
Okay.
- [Ting] And flees the scene.
416
00:21:16,035 --> 00:21:18,594
So, Wanda was rushed
to the hospital,
417
00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:20,086
and was announced
dead on arrival.
418
00:21:20,103 --> 00:21:22,916
Okay, so he takes off.
He's on the run at this point.
419
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:24,899
Yes, he's on the run
for the next several days,
420
00:21:24,916 --> 00:21:27,594
and he actually makes it
all the way up to New Jersey.
421
00:21:27,611 --> 00:21:28,374
Okay.
- Along the way somewhere,
422
00:21:28,391 --> 00:21:32,798
he ditches the vehicle, and calls a
friend to bring him back to Florida.
423
00:21:32,815 --> 00:21:33,899
And on the way back to Florida,
424
00:21:33,916 --> 00:21:36,001
they stop at a gas station
in Georgia.
425
00:21:36,018 --> 00:21:37,222
His friend's
in the convenience store.
426
00:21:37,238 --> 00:21:39,950
Andrew walks outside,
around the corner of the store.
427
00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:41,662
With the gun that
he shot Wanda with,
428
00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,730
he shoots himself with
in the head.
429
00:21:43,747 --> 00:21:45,120
[Steve] All right, so he
took the coward's way out,
430
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:47,849
knowing he was gonna go back to
Florida and wind up getting arrested.
431
00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:48,815
[Ting] Yes.
432
00:21:48,832 --> 00:21:49,984
So, now, you mentioned
on the phone,
433
00:21:50,001 --> 00:21:52,103
there was another
murder-suicide.
434
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,916
Yeah, so this one's gonna be
an attempted murder-suicide,
435
00:21:54,933 --> 00:21:58,052
involving a 25-year-old female
by the name of Bessie Joyner
436
00:21:58,069 --> 00:22:00,730
and her 32-year-old
husband, Orville.
437
00:22:00,747 --> 00:22:01,866
They worked at a filling station
438
00:22:01,883 --> 00:22:04,137
that's only a mile and a half
away from your client's home.
439
00:22:04,154 --> 00:22:07,459
Okay, so now we got another husband and wife.
What happened?
440
00:22:07,476 --> 00:22:09,662
So, on March 16th, 1930,
441
00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:10,950
while in the apartment,
442
00:22:10,967 --> 00:22:14,018
Bessie and Orville, basically,
get in an argument.
443
00:22:14,035 --> 00:22:16,899
And Orville threatens her life.
444
00:22:16,916 --> 00:22:17,967
Okay,
- [Ting] So she takes
445
00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:21,001
a single barrel shotgun
and shoots him in the back.
446
00:22:21,018 --> 00:22:23,052
Okay. Now, does that kill him?
447
00:22:23,069 --> 00:22:27,781
It does not. So, he is taken to
a nearby doctor, and he survives.
448
00:22:27,798 --> 00:22:29,798
All right, so he's shot,
he survives.
449
00:22:29,815 --> 00:22:31,188
Now, now what happens with her?
450
00:22:31,205 --> 00:22:35,764
Well, she tells the officers that she
shot him because it was self-defense.
451
00:22:35,781 --> 00:22:36,984
So, in the middle
of the interview,
452
00:22:37,001 --> 00:22:39,713
she gets up
and walks to the bedroom,
453
00:22:39,730 --> 00:22:42,493
finds a razor
and slits her own throat.
454
00:22:43,188 --> 00:22:46,560
[Steve] She wind up not
successfully killing her husband,
455
00:22:46,577 --> 00:22:47,984
but wind up killing herself.
456
00:22:48,001 --> 00:22:49,527
That is correct.
- [Steve] In a pretty
457
00:22:49,544 --> 00:22:50,628
brutal fashion.
458
00:22:53,950 --> 00:22:58,391
[Amy] I encountered a female.
459
00:22:58,984 --> 00:23:03,662
Between maybe 18 and 25 years old.
She's white.
460
00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:07,255
I don't think that
she died naturally.
461
00:23:07,916 --> 00:23:11,984
I would put her between
the 1920s and the 1950s.
462
00:23:12,001 --> 00:23:14,933
She's extremely depressed,
463
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:19,357
and I'm nervous,
because she's become...
464
00:23:19,883 --> 00:23:21,357
...angry.
465
00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:25,035
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466
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467
00:23:26,832 --> 00:23:28,730
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468
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469
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470
00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:36,238
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471
00:23:43,086 --> 00:23:44,137
[Steve] So far, I have a client
472
00:23:44,154 --> 00:23:47,154
terrified something paranormal
is out to kill her,
473
00:23:47,171 --> 00:23:50,510
on a property where there
was a recent murder suicide.
474
00:23:51,001 --> 00:23:53,222
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
475
00:23:55,696 --> 00:23:56,899
Searching through the archives,
476
00:23:56,916 --> 00:24:00,899
I find the horrific story about
a racially motivated massacre
477
00:24:00,916 --> 00:24:03,459
that sent shock waves
through the area.
478
00:24:06,238 --> 00:24:10,018
So, I'm heading over to meet the
chief curator of a local museum.
479
00:24:10,035 --> 00:24:14,645
She told me it all started when one
Black man stood up for his right to vote.
480
00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:26,120
So, Pam, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
481
00:24:26,137 --> 00:24:29,086
Now, on the phone, you mentioned
this one guy looking for justice,
482
00:24:29,103 --> 00:24:32,069
kind of made this thing go over the top.
Who was this guy?
483
00:24:32,086 --> 00:24:34,035
So, a man by the name
of Moses Norman,
484
00:24:34,052 --> 00:24:36,645
who was, uh, a business man
and a labor broker
485
00:24:36,662 --> 00:24:37,899
in the city of Ocoee.
- Okay.
486
00:24:37,916 --> 00:24:39,950
And so, on November 2nd, 1920,
487
00:24:39,967 --> 00:24:42,611
he went out to try to exercise
his right to vote,
488
00:24:42,628 --> 00:24:43,984
and he was
turned away at the polls.
489
00:24:44,001 --> 00:24:46,713
And that is what sort of kicked
off the series of events.
490
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:48,764
Pam, why was he turned away?
What reason?
491
00:24:48,781 --> 00:24:51,205
We don't necessarily know,
uh, but the understanding
492
00:24:51,222 --> 00:24:53,798
is that he believed he had
the legal right to vote,
493
00:24:53,815 --> 00:24:56,001
others thought that he'd maybe
not met those obligations.
494
00:24:56,018 --> 00:24:59,018
All right. So he gets turned away.
What happens next?
495
00:24:59,035 --> 00:25:01,967
So there was a, uh,
armed mob of white men,
496
00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:04,120
who were deputized,
who went out to Ocoee.
497
00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:05,899
Uh, they didn't go
to the home of Moses Norman,
498
00:25:05,916 --> 00:25:08,001
they went to the home of his,
uh, fellow labor broker
499
00:25:08,018 --> 00:25:11,086
and, uh, friend, who was also
Black, named July Perry.
500
00:25:11,103 --> 00:25:14,730
[Steve] So, I'm assuming they went to
this guy's house looking for Moses?
501
00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:15,967
[Pamela] Yes.
502
00:25:15,984 --> 00:25:18,967
Okay, so, I know, back then in
Florida, the KKK was pretty prevalent.
503
00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,730
Uh, did they have
anything to do with this?
504
00:25:20,747 --> 00:25:21,764
Absolutely.
505
00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,849
And we actually have
a really incredible archive
506
00:25:23,866 --> 00:25:25,069
from our collection,
507
00:25:25,086 --> 00:25:28,188
which is a letter from the Ku Klux
Klan to the local white politicians,
508
00:25:28,205 --> 00:25:33,238
essentially telling them to
stop educating Black voters.
509
00:25:33,255 --> 00:25:37,696
Okay, so now this deputized
mob is at July's house.
510
00:25:37,713 --> 00:25:38,679
What happened?
511
00:25:38,696 --> 00:25:40,222
July Perry
is shot multiple times.
512
00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:43,679
While he does manage to escape
out the back side of his house,
513
00:25:43,696 --> 00:25:44,798
the mob gets him.
514
00:25:44,815 --> 00:25:47,069
They, uh, brought him over
to the Orange County jail,
515
00:25:47,086 --> 00:25:49,747
where, supposedly, he received
some medical attention,
516
00:25:49,764 --> 00:25:50,984
and was placed into a jail cell.
517
00:25:51,001 --> 00:25:52,628
And what happens after that?
518
00:25:52,645 --> 00:25:53,306
The white mob comes back.
519
00:25:53,323 --> 00:25:56,306
Uh, they actually come into the
jail and overpower the jailor,
520
00:25:56,323 --> 00:25:59,866
taking his keys,
and remove July Perry from his jail cell.
521
00:25:59,883 --> 00:26:02,001
Where they then take him
outside, beat him,
522
00:26:02,018 --> 00:26:03,984
and then drag him behind a car,
523
00:26:04,001 --> 00:26:06,018
uh, before they lynch him
and hang him,
524
00:26:06,035 --> 00:26:07,933
and then riddle his body
with bullet holes.
525
00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:09,832
It sounds like
these guys were crazy.
526
00:26:09,849 --> 00:26:11,950
I mean, it didn't end there,
I assume.
527
00:26:11,967 --> 00:26:13,781
No, the violence
actually continued
528
00:26:13,798 --> 00:26:16,001
all into the morning hours
of the next day.
529
00:26:16,018 --> 00:26:20,001
At the site in Ocoee,
there were still people there burning homes,
530
00:26:20,018 --> 00:26:22,730
killing others, uh,
and creating a perimeter.
531
00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:25,628
Uh, we actually have
a headline from the next day.
532
00:26:25,883 --> 00:26:27,340
[Steve] Okay.
533
00:26:28,645 --> 00:26:30,815
[Steve reads headline aloud]
534
00:26:30,832 --> 00:26:31,916
Is that correct?
535
00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:32,984
Part of the horror of this event
536
00:26:33,001 --> 00:26:34,967
is that intentionally,
we will never know
537
00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,018
the number of
how many people were murdered.
538
00:26:37,035 --> 00:26:39,052
Estimates range from 30 to 50.
539
00:26:39,069 --> 00:26:42,577
But all that we can factually
say is four individuals,
540
00:26:42,594 --> 00:26:43,933
July Perry and three additional,
541
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:45,764
uh, were murdered that night.
542
00:26:45,781 --> 00:26:48,086
All right, was Moses
among those three?
543
00:26:48,103 --> 00:26:51,018
No. There was a story
that Moses died that night,
544
00:26:51,035 --> 00:26:52,781
but through
genealogical research,
545
00:26:52,798 --> 00:26:54,730
we were able to find out
that he actually survived
546
00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:56,459
and was later found
in New York City.
547
00:26:56,476 --> 00:26:57,730
Really?
- Yes.
548
00:26:57,747 --> 00:26:59,967
Okay, so, let me
ask you a question.
549
00:26:59,984 --> 00:27:02,442
You got me in a courtroom here.
550
00:27:02,459 --> 00:27:03,713
Was anyone charged?
551
00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:06,154
The FBI did an investigation
about voting fraud,
552
00:27:06,171 --> 00:27:08,764
but never an investigation
about the massacre.
553
00:27:08,781 --> 00:27:10,832
And yet, nobody was ever, uh,
554
00:27:10,849 --> 00:27:12,798
held responsible
for the events of that night.
555
00:27:12,815 --> 00:27:14,306
Wow, okay.
556
00:27:18,662 --> 00:27:21,306
[intense music playing]
557
00:27:23,103 --> 00:27:26,255
[Amy] I saw several
horrifying things on my walk.
558
00:27:26,272 --> 00:27:29,883
But the gremlin looking creature,
tormenting the living woman,
559
00:27:29,899 --> 00:27:32,018
concerns me the most.
560
00:27:32,035 --> 00:27:36,967
There's a female
that's in a bed.
561
00:27:36,984 --> 00:27:39,967
You can see arms
coming from the ceiling.
562
00:27:39,984 --> 00:27:42,103
So, they're longer than average.
563
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,357
So, the hands are going
inside this person's head.
564
00:27:47,781 --> 00:27:50,662
Anything about the woman's
facial expression?
565
00:27:50,679 --> 00:27:52,425
I want her to be asleep,
566
00:27:52,442 --> 00:27:53,832
so sleeping face.
567
00:27:53,849 --> 00:27:57,137
The hair's back, I think it's,
like, parted in the middle.
568
00:27:57,154 --> 00:27:58,662
[suspenseful music plays]
- [pen scratches]
569
00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:08,933
Amy, is this what you saw?
570
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:10,272
[suspenseful music builds]
571
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:12,306
Yes.
572
00:28:15,883 --> 00:28:17,679
[crickets chirping]
573
00:28:23,916 --> 00:28:26,984
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
574
00:28:27,001 --> 00:28:29,798
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
575
00:28:29,815 --> 00:28:32,035
and our clients,
for the first time.
576
00:28:32,052 --> 00:28:35,510
Amy, I want you to meet
Jennifer, and this is Paige.
577
00:28:35,527 --> 00:28:36,967
They're mother and daughter.
578
00:28:36,984 --> 00:28:41,238
And they live here
with Jennifer's husband, Ian.
579
00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:45,069
From what I could see,
these guys are in a lot of trouble,
580
00:28:45,086 --> 00:28:47,357
and we're their very last hope.
581
00:28:47,374 --> 00:28:51,408
Now, unless Amy's got some questions for
you, she'll tell us about her walk.
582
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,832
The first thing that I wanna
discuss is I went to the back.
583
00:28:59,849 --> 00:29:01,747
I walked
right into the backyard.
584
00:29:01,764 --> 00:29:06,476
And the earth was like
doing this movement stuff.
585
00:29:06,493 --> 00:29:08,747
I did not feel safe
586
00:29:08,764 --> 00:29:12,781
because of the land here.
The earth is unstable.
587
00:29:12,798 --> 00:29:14,764
The way I think
it would affect you
588
00:29:14,781 --> 00:29:17,815
would be maybe, like, uh,
equilibrium issues.
589
00:29:17,832 --> 00:29:18,899
Mmm-hmm.
590
00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:21,916
Uh, so you might get a little
bit of vertigo occasionally.
591
00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:25,781
I was always a little klutzy
and slightly off equilibrium,
592
00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:27,866
but I've been stumbling
around, like I drink,
593
00:29:27,883 --> 00:29:29,611
since I moved in here,
and I don't drink.
594
00:29:30,832 --> 00:29:33,001
Paige, any health issues?
- [Paige] Yeah, uh,
595
00:29:33,018 --> 00:29:36,154
dizziness and balance,
but the...
596
00:29:36,171 --> 00:29:38,611
They warned us that would
happen when we moved in here
597
00:29:38,628 --> 00:29:39,849
because of the massive sinkhole.
598
00:29:39,866 --> 00:29:40,967
What?
- [Paige] Yeah.
599
00:29:40,984 --> 00:29:43,069
There's a massive sinkhole
at the bottom of the street.
600
00:29:43,086 --> 00:29:46,154
It's just a pond now,
but it still was a massive sinkhole.
601
00:29:46,171 --> 00:29:51,662
This all used to be level, it all
sunk, like, over a hundred years ago.
602
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:53,832
[Amy] That's a sign
the land is angry,
603
00:29:53,849 --> 00:29:56,408
and that's not good
for you guys.
604
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,527
[Steve] What else?
605
00:29:58,866 --> 00:30:00,611
[Amy] When I was walking,
606
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:02,357
out back,
607
00:30:02,866 --> 00:30:04,560
I heard, "Suicide."
608
00:30:06,832 --> 00:30:10,222
I had the feeling
that it was a male.
609
00:30:10,238 --> 00:30:14,916
Then I am swinging around,
and there's this little old lady over there.
610
00:30:14,933 --> 00:30:18,832
She's, like, completely
baffled and confused.
611
00:30:18,849 --> 00:30:22,933
I think she would be in her late
70's, early 80's maybe.
612
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:26,764
I think that she died, uh,
within the last 10 years.
613
00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:30,696
I did then see, like, a flash
of, uh, the ambulance.
614
00:30:31,035 --> 00:30:33,255
And people were freaking out.
615
00:30:33,272 --> 00:30:37,103
Well, there's something you're
saying that makes a lot of sense.
616
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,018
And something you definitely
need to know about.
617
00:30:40,035 --> 00:30:42,035
There was a terrible tragedy
in this house,
618
00:30:42,052 --> 00:30:44,069
and it's the kind of thing
you never get over.
619
00:30:44,086 --> 00:30:45,815
The previous owners of the house
620
00:30:45,832 --> 00:30:48,832
were Jennifer's in-laws
and Paige's grandparents.
621
00:30:48,849 --> 00:30:52,781
Kathy and David bought
this place back in 2017.
622
00:30:52,798 --> 00:30:54,103
Three years ago, Kathy and David
623
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,916
walked into the closet
of the back bedroom.
624
00:30:56,933 --> 00:31:00,493
David then pulled out a gun,
shot Kathy and then shot himself.
625
00:31:00,747 --> 00:31:01,866
Oh, my God.
626
00:31:01,883 --> 00:31:05,764
Person who found the body
was Paige.
627
00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:07,916
[Amy] Ugh, I'm sorry.
628
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:11,035
Why don't you tell Amy a little
bit about your grandparents?
629
00:31:11,052 --> 00:31:14,866
They were incredible,
amazing, hardworking people,
630
00:31:14,883 --> 00:31:19,544
and they were a huge
inspiration to not just me,
631
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,306
but everyone in the family.
632
00:31:22,323 --> 00:31:26,730
You told me you felt that something
here influenced their suicides.
633
00:31:26,747 --> 00:31:30,289
Yes. They were
extremely proud people.
634
00:31:30,306 --> 00:31:33,476
You had mentioned to me about
you felt their presence here.
635
00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:36,120
Describe that
to Amy for me, please?
636
00:31:36,137 --> 00:31:41,544
I'll hear Kathy talk to me,
say encouraging things.
637
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,933
And, um...
638
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:46,340
Don't hear from David very much,
except for like, one incident,
639
00:31:46,357 --> 00:31:51,544
when he came up behind me and kind of
wrapped his arms around me, like, in a hug.
640
00:31:52,476 --> 00:31:53,476
It's really,
641
00:31:53,967 --> 00:31:56,730
really impactful
for me. [sniffs]
642
00:31:56,747 --> 00:31:59,594
Now, I have a photo
of David and Kathy.
643
00:31:59,611 --> 00:32:01,001
Uh, he was, what, 79?
644
00:32:01,018 --> 00:32:03,628
And gra... Your grandma
was, what? 74?
645
00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:04,933
[Paige] Yes.
646
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:07,577
[Steve] Now, could Kathy
be who you ran into?
647
00:32:09,035 --> 00:32:13,696
No. I didn't know
which house she was from,
648
00:32:13,713 --> 00:32:15,289
but I knew she wasn't from here.
649
00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:18,306
So, that's a good thing.
650
00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:22,916
[Steve] All right, what else?
651
00:32:22,933 --> 00:32:26,713
So, when I came in, immediately,
652
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:29,035
I was hearing fighting going on.
653
00:32:29,052 --> 00:32:31,730
And that I believe was happening
654
00:32:31,747 --> 00:32:34,696
with the individuals
who are living here.
655
00:32:35,493 --> 00:32:37,899
I saw a female storm off.
656
00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:41,832
I feel like this woman
wants out of here.
657
00:32:41,849 --> 00:32:44,442
She wants to leave everybody
and everything behind.
658
00:32:44,459 --> 00:32:49,323
And she's kind of freaked out by some
weird thoughts, uh, that she's having.
659
00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:54,713
I got that this individual is
predisposed to some depression,
660
00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:57,662
and I sense that this is
661
00:32:57,679 --> 00:32:59,103
a big problem here.
662
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,679
Well, that's one of the biggest
reasons we were called in here.
663
00:33:01,696 --> 00:33:03,035
These guys are
at each other's throats.
664
00:33:03,052 --> 00:33:06,238
And they think whatever's in the
house could be causing the rage.
665
00:33:06,662 --> 00:33:08,950
Things are so volatile
666
00:33:08,967 --> 00:33:10,306
from the time
that I've moved in.
667
00:33:10,323 --> 00:33:15,255
I was having the craziest
emotional episodes of, like, rage,
668
00:33:15,628 --> 00:33:17,747
anger, pain.
669
00:33:17,764 --> 00:33:20,255
Yeah, there's been times
I've been that way, too,
670
00:33:20,272 --> 00:33:25,069
but, it, um...
I, I, I can't take any more screaming.
671
00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:27,950
I have wanted to leave
for a really long time.
672
00:33:27,967 --> 00:33:30,764
The only reason I haven't
is because
673
00:33:30,781 --> 00:33:34,018
we are Paige's
source of support.
674
00:33:34,035 --> 00:33:38,527
I will always, always
love my child
675
00:33:38,544 --> 00:33:40,120
with every fiber of my being,
676
00:33:40,137 --> 00:33:43,408
whether we ever
get along again or not.
677
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:51,628
[Amy] Now, we're going to just
dive into the big problem here.
678
00:33:53,154 --> 00:33:57,645
What I saw was, like,
this little gremlin-y looking thing.
679
00:33:57,933 --> 00:33:59,883
It did used to be human,
680
00:33:59,899 --> 00:34:02,052
which is interesting,
but it's lost its humanity
681
00:34:02,069 --> 00:34:04,916
over many, many,
many, many years.
682
00:34:04,933 --> 00:34:09,967
So, I did see that
something was reaching down,
683
00:34:09,984 --> 00:34:14,560
from the ceiling, and putting
its hands inside a female's head.
684
00:34:14,577 --> 00:34:16,357
[Paige] Hmm.
- [Amy] And, like,
685
00:34:16,644 --> 00:34:17,678
massaging the brain.
686
00:34:18,967 --> 00:34:23,035
Her reality is really, really,
really skewed,
687
00:34:23,052 --> 00:34:28,222
because this thing is, like,
putting these weird
688
00:34:28,577 --> 00:34:30,476
thoughts in her head,
689
00:34:31,153 --> 00:34:36,899
and causing her to be paranoid
and depressed and anxious.
690
00:34:36,916 --> 00:34:38,950
[Steve] Jennifer, you told me you
felt like something was reaching
691
00:34:38,967 --> 00:34:41,814
inside of you and
causing panic attacks.
692
00:34:41,832 --> 00:34:43,932
Mmm-hmm.
- You could tell Amy about that?
693
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:47,678
It feels like
something reaches in
694
00:34:47,696 --> 00:34:49,764
and I've felt like
it could read my mind
695
00:34:49,781 --> 00:34:55,510
until it was me feeling
fearful and angry and
696
00:34:55,526 --> 00:34:57,696
rageful and paranoid.
697
00:34:57,713 --> 00:34:59,594
So is that
causing them to fight?
698
00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:00,764
[Amy] Yes.
699
00:35:00,781 --> 00:35:02,052
[Steve] All right, so,
could this thing
700
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:04,594
have influenced
Paige's grandparents?
701
00:35:04,611 --> 00:35:06,018
[Amy] I think so.
702
00:35:06,035 --> 00:35:08,594
[Steve] Okay, you described
this thing as a gremlin.
703
00:35:08,611 --> 00:35:09,849
Is that what it looks like?
704
00:35:09,866 --> 00:35:13,476
I did have a sketch done
of what I saw it doing.
705
00:35:19,662 --> 00:35:21,391
That's kind of creepy, huh?
706
00:35:24,984 --> 00:35:26,832
[Jennifer] Oh, my God.
- [Amy] Yeah, it's just...
707
00:35:26,849 --> 00:35:28,476
It's really accurate.
708
00:35:30,238 --> 00:35:34,544
So, do you think that's Jennifer
that you're describing in the bed?
709
00:35:35,815 --> 00:35:36,713
Yes.
710
00:35:39,035 --> 00:35:41,052
[Steve] Well, this might explain
some of the physical stuff
711
00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:42,916
that's going on with these guys.
712
00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:44,815
Tell her about the bruises
you wake up with.
713
00:35:44,832 --> 00:35:46,442
I wake up with
714
00:35:46,798 --> 00:35:48,154
three finger bruises.
715
00:35:48,171 --> 00:35:53,662
And they are always on the
very insides of my arms.
716
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,899
And Paige, you got
grabbed in the hallway.
717
00:35:55,916 --> 00:35:58,832
I was alone in the house,
and it felt like
718
00:35:58,849 --> 00:36:01,984
I was grabbed by just
a couple of fingertips
719
00:36:02,001 --> 00:36:05,611
from behind, on the elbow,
and just kind of tugged backwards.
720
00:36:05,628 --> 00:36:07,544
And I was freaked out about it.
721
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,103
You also got scratched.
722
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,815
Mmm-hmm. - Tell Amy about that.
I got a photo here of it.
723
00:36:12,832 --> 00:36:14,052
On her face.
724
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:15,849
Mmm.
- [Steve] Tell Amy about it.
725
00:36:15,866 --> 00:36:18,289
[Jennifer] I felt a burning.
726
00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:20,340
And, uh, that's...
727
00:36:20,696 --> 00:36:21,916
That's what was there.
728
00:36:21,933 --> 00:36:23,120
Hmm.
- [Steve] Now,
729
00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:26,967
I don't know if it's related,
but Jennifer's also seeing things.
730
00:36:26,984 --> 00:36:29,408
Talk about the gray man
for a second.
731
00:36:29,713 --> 00:36:33,001
The gray man I have seen.
732
00:36:33,018 --> 00:36:34,747
Why do you call him
the gray man?
733
00:36:34,764 --> 00:36:37,984
When I try to focus in
and get his details,
734
00:36:38,001 --> 00:36:40,747
he's gray with black markings.
735
00:36:40,764 --> 00:36:42,950
Sometimes you'll feel him
behind you,
736
00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:47,103
staring, like, hate and malice
and ill-will into you.
737
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,628
You mentioned about meditating and
that's when you saw the frog-like thing.
738
00:36:51,645 --> 00:36:52,832
Mmm-hmm.
- [Steve] Tell Amy about that.
739
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:53,679
Well, actually...
740
00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:55,933
She'd made her own sketch.
741
00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:57,069
Ah!
- [Steve] So, explain to Amy
742
00:36:57,086 --> 00:36:58,916
what you seen
and when you saw it.
743
00:36:58,933 --> 00:37:00,832
[Jennifer] I saw it once.
744
00:37:00,849 --> 00:37:04,611
He was really blobby
and just, kind of,
745
00:37:04,628 --> 00:37:05,849
a mass, and he just had a,
746
00:37:05,866 --> 00:37:09,849
a froggy kind of shape and look.
747
00:37:09,866 --> 00:37:11,950
And his eyes were so weird.
They were, like,
748
00:37:11,967 --> 00:37:14,544
the thick, bulbous froggy eyes.
749
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,883
Interesting, okay.
750
00:37:15,899 --> 00:37:18,018
[Steve] Any chance this frog
or the gray man
751
00:37:18,035 --> 00:37:20,560
have something to do
with the gremlin thing?
752
00:37:21,611 --> 00:37:23,154
Yeah, I mean, they can do that.
753
00:37:23,171 --> 00:37:27,323
They can project
in different ways. Absolutely.
754
00:37:28,815 --> 00:37:30,035
Now, it gets weird.
755
00:37:30,052 --> 00:37:35,764
When I was in the main bedroom?
756
00:37:35,781 --> 00:37:36,815
[Steve] That's where Paige is.
757
00:37:36,832 --> 00:37:37,883
[Amy] Okay.
758
00:37:37,899 --> 00:37:41,306
There was a lot
of negative energy,
759
00:37:41,323 --> 00:37:46,916
and had manipulated the
thoughts of the female in there.
760
00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:51,238
What it brought out in that
female in there was hatred.
761
00:37:51,544 --> 00:37:53,272
Like, pure hatred.
762
00:37:53,289 --> 00:37:58,137
There has to have been some
violent outburst on her part,
763
00:37:58,154 --> 00:38:00,849
like, where she has
[bleep] lost it.
764
00:38:00,866 --> 00:38:05,560
Which definitely is being,
765
00:38:05,577 --> 00:38:08,560
uh, manipulated by this thing,
766
00:38:08,577 --> 00:38:09,899
to get worse.
767
00:38:09,916 --> 00:38:12,238
She wants to hurt others.
768
00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:15,747
I did have a dream
Paige stabbed us with a knife,
769
00:38:15,764 --> 00:38:17,527
or me, not my husband.
770
00:38:17,544 --> 00:38:18,577
[Amy] Oh, my gosh.
771
00:38:20,086 --> 00:38:22,018
What does this thing
want of them, though?
772
00:38:22,035 --> 00:38:23,849
Besides causing mayhem?
- [Amy] It's just a...
773
00:38:23,866 --> 00:38:26,679
Yeah, it's just,
that's the [bleep] it does.
774
00:38:26,696 --> 00:38:29,188
It just manipulates
people's thoughts
775
00:38:29,205 --> 00:38:33,018
and causes problems,
and that's what it's doing.
776
00:38:33,035 --> 00:38:37,035
Now it's just vindictive.
Now it's out of, like, revenge.
777
00:38:37,052 --> 00:38:40,883
I won't let it
push me to violence.
778
00:38:40,899 --> 00:38:44,510
If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna
have to do it the bloody hard way.
779
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:59,459
So, we've got a big problem.
780
00:39:00,018 --> 00:39:01,781
Question is, can we
kick this thing out
781
00:39:01,798 --> 00:39:03,171
so you two can live in peace?
782
00:39:03,188 --> 00:39:05,154
Or is time to pack up
and get the hell out of here?
783
00:39:05,171 --> 00:39:07,425
For that answer, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
784
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:13,747
[Amy] This is
a big problem here,
785
00:39:13,764 --> 00:39:16,510
but you can absolutely
get this thing out.
786
00:39:17,238 --> 00:39:21,611
I think it would be best
though, to bring in a sensitive.
787
00:39:21,628 --> 00:39:24,679
Then maybe it can be moved on,
788
00:39:24,696 --> 00:39:27,001
versus, like,
completely obliterated.
789
00:39:27,018 --> 00:39:29,967
It's terrified
of being obliterated,
790
00:39:29,984 --> 00:39:32,747
'cause then it would
cease to exist.
791
00:39:32,764 --> 00:39:36,747
So, I think, if you guys
have that intention,
792
00:39:36,764 --> 00:39:39,815
it may even back off
of what it's doing right now,
793
00:39:39,832 --> 00:39:41,849
knowing, "I'm gonna
get out of here.
794
00:39:41,866 --> 00:39:46,628
"Somebody else is coming in,
and it's gonna be a good thing,
795
00:39:46,645 --> 00:39:48,374
"for everybody."
796
00:39:48,662 --> 00:39:52,832
I was terrified, so that,
797
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:55,679
shocking as it is,
is actually good news,
798
00:39:55,696 --> 00:39:58,425
because he's defeatable.
799
00:39:58,442 --> 00:39:59,476
[Amy] Mmm.
800
00:39:59,493 --> 00:40:00,662
Very happy. [chuckles]
801
00:40:02,103 --> 00:40:04,899
Once they get rid of this,
will their health get better?
802
00:40:04,916 --> 00:40:07,866
[Amy] Yes. Everybody'll
be feeling a lot better.
803
00:40:07,883 --> 00:40:09,662
And clear, clear-minded.
804
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,662
[Steve] What about
the angry land?
805
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:13,866
[Amy] I was
freaked out about it.
806
00:40:13,883 --> 00:40:17,832
But I think you'll be okay
now that you're aware of it.
807
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:19,662
So that's a good thing.
- Oh, yeah.
808
00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:23,611
The other thing I wanna
bring up is counseling.
809
00:40:24,052 --> 00:40:27,544
Both of you guys need it
for yourselves--
810
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,205
[Paige] Mmm.
- Mmm-hmm.
811
00:40:28,222 --> 00:40:31,984
I think there's stuff, you
guys, each, need to get rid of.
812
00:40:32,001 --> 00:40:35,120
And then I think you guys
need counseling together.
813
00:40:35,137 --> 00:40:37,883
Y'all need to learn how to
speak each other's language.
814
00:40:37,899 --> 00:40:39,832
You also need
to bury some [bleep]
815
00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:41,933
that doesn't need
to be existing anymore.
816
00:40:41,950 --> 00:40:43,560
Mmm.
- [Amy] So you guys
817
00:40:43,577 --> 00:40:44,154
could like, I don't know,
818
00:40:44,171 --> 00:40:47,476
maybe have a good, functional,
happy relationship.
819
00:40:47,967 --> 00:40:49,730
I mean, I...
I've been dying
820
00:40:49,747 --> 00:40:51,069
for personal therapy--
- Okay.
821
00:40:51,086 --> 00:40:54,899
...since my grandparents died.
And I would absolutely love to
822
00:40:54,916 --> 00:40:57,849
be in counseling with her,
because I don't have my grandma anymore.
823
00:40:57,866 --> 00:40:59,527
She's all I--
- And you want your mom.
824
00:40:59,713 --> 00:41:00,577
Yeah.
825
00:41:01,747 --> 00:41:03,984
So, Jennifer, you gonna
take Amy's advice?
826
00:41:04,001 --> 00:41:06,476
Absolutely.
- [Steve] Okay.
827
00:41:07,408 --> 00:41:08,086
Good.
828
00:41:08,103 --> 00:41:13,747
I am profoundly thankful for the
information that has come forth,
829
00:41:13,764 --> 00:41:15,137
and what to do about it.
830
00:41:15,154 --> 00:41:20,832
I am extremely happy that it's something
we can actually do something about.
831
00:41:20,849 --> 00:41:23,222
It's relieving.
832
00:41:23,238 --> 00:41:26,679
[Amy] I'm really glad we were
able to come up with a solution
833
00:41:26,696 --> 00:41:28,086
for Jennifer and Paige.
834
00:41:28,103 --> 00:41:31,222
I believe if they contact a
medium to get rid of the gremlin
835
00:41:31,238 --> 00:41:34,916
and start family counseling,
they will be well on their way
836
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:38,442
to finding the peace
and happiness they deserve.
837
00:41:41,984 --> 00:41:45,018
Hi, Dead Files. Update time.
838
00:41:45,035 --> 00:41:48,527
So, I found
a very sweet sensitive
839
00:41:48,544 --> 00:41:49,916
who referred me to her team.
840
00:41:49,933 --> 00:41:52,035
They came in,
did a thorough check,
841
00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:56,052
found everything,
and it's all gone.
842
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:58,120
I can't tell you
how excited I am.
843
00:41:58,137 --> 00:42:01,747
For Paige and I,
the future looks really good.
844
00:42:01,764 --> 00:42:04,154
I'm not exaggerating when I say
845
00:42:04,171 --> 00:42:08,611
that I could not be more grateful.
Thank you, guys.
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