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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,645 --> 00:00:04,713 [eerie music playing] 2 00:00:10,052 --> 00:00:12,544 [Amy] This thing is, like, putting these 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,950 weird thoughts in her head. 4 00:00:14,967 --> 00:00:17,442 Getting her all worked up 5 00:00:18,730 --> 00:00:20,069 to act out. 6 00:00:20,086 --> 00:00:22,781 [Paige] She got a lot more explosive and volatile. 7 00:00:22,798 --> 00:00:24,967 Don't know what could be causing that. 8 00:00:24,984 --> 00:00:29,950 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part. 9 00:00:29,967 --> 00:00:32,459 [Jennifer] He shot her in the head, 10 00:00:32,475 --> 00:00:33,560 and then himself. 11 00:00:33,577 --> 00:00:34,798 So it was a murder-suicide. 12 00:00:34,815 --> 00:00:35,645 Yes. 13 00:00:37,289 --> 00:00:40,866 We will never know how many people were murdered that night. 14 00:00:40,883 --> 00:00:44,001 It was reaching down from the ceiling, 15 00:00:44,018 --> 00:00:47,205 and putting its hands inside a female's head. 16 00:00:47,222 --> 00:00:51,289 If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna have to do it the bloody hard way. 17 00:00:54,035 --> 00:00:58,662 [Amy] It just manipulates people's thoughts and causes problems. 18 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:00,696 Now, it's out of, like, revenge. 19 00:01:12,898 --> 00:01:14,222 [car door opens] 20 00:01:17,916 --> 00:01:19,323 [Amy] Oh, boy. 21 00:01:20,933 --> 00:01:23,306 I don't feel safe. 22 00:01:23,984 --> 00:01:28,662 The earth is not stable here. 23 00:01:28,679 --> 00:01:31,747 And it's, like, moving too fast. 24 00:01:31,764 --> 00:01:35,967 And I feel sick. That sickness comes in. 25 00:01:35,984 --> 00:01:41,849 The land here, it's all about death. Like, everybody's dying. 26 00:01:41,866 --> 00:01:44,442 This is not a good situation. 27 00:01:50,967 --> 00:01:52,103 [Steve] I'm in Orlando, Florida. 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,120 Locals call it the City Beautiful. And I can see why. 29 00:01:55,136 --> 00:01:58,136 I got a call from a terrified woman named Jennifer. 30 00:01:58,154 --> 00:02:01,544 Says whatever's in the house killed her former in-laws, 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,120 and now it wants her dead. 32 00:02:03,137 --> 00:02:05,984 Jennifer says the activity is getting worse day by day, 33 00:02:06,001 --> 00:02:08,883 and it's trying to rip her and her daughter apart. 34 00:02:08,898 --> 00:02:11,527 I'm hoping Amy and I can help before it's too late. 35 00:02:14,103 --> 00:02:17,069 So, I'm glad I'm here. I mean, I love Orlando. 36 00:02:17,086 --> 00:02:19,747 It's a gorgeous area, but when we spoke on the phone, 37 00:02:19,764 --> 00:02:21,781 you were basically saying, "I live in Hell." 38 00:02:21,798 --> 00:02:23,493 What the hell's going on? 39 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:25,120 There is not, uh, one day 40 00:02:25,137 --> 00:02:29,154 where things are just completely normal and okay. 41 00:02:29,171 --> 00:02:32,798 There's something very evil here. And it is trying to kill me. 42 00:02:32,815 --> 00:02:35,476 And I believe that it has the power to do so. 43 00:02:35,493 --> 00:02:38,390 I am desperate. 44 00:02:38,408 --> 00:02:39,798 I need you guys. 45 00:02:39,815 --> 00:02:42,476 Let's get the basics. Who lives in the house? 46 00:02:43,611 --> 00:02:44,713 Myself. 47 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:47,933 My husband, Ian, who's 47. 48 00:02:47,950 --> 00:02:51,137 My daughter Paige, from a previous relationship, who is 30. 49 00:02:51,154 --> 00:02:52,849 [Steve] On the phone, you said whatever is here 50 00:02:52,866 --> 00:02:55,883 is trying to tear you and your daughter apart. What's going on? 51 00:02:55,899 --> 00:02:57,188 [Jennifer] It has devolved so badly 52 00:02:57,205 --> 00:03:00,476 that we can't be in the same room for very long. 53 00:03:00,493 --> 00:03:01,340 Really? 54 00:03:01,357 --> 00:03:01,899 Mmm. 55 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:04,544 Do me a favor and give me a list of the stuff 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,425 you guys are experiencing here. 57 00:03:06,781 --> 00:03:08,594 We hear strange noises. 58 00:03:08,611 --> 00:03:10,120 Our health is being attacked. 59 00:03:10,137 --> 00:03:13,035 We're seeing shadow figures and apparitions. 60 00:03:13,052 --> 00:03:15,662 And we experience physical violence. 61 00:03:16,679 --> 00:03:17,899 So, Jen, when we spoke on the phone, 62 00:03:17,916 --> 00:03:21,611 you had mentioned a tragedy, um... [sighs]...in this house. 63 00:03:21,628 --> 00:03:22,645 What the hell happened? 64 00:03:24,137 --> 00:03:29,527 My daughter's grandparents, Kathy and David, 65 00:03:29,967 --> 00:03:33,832 took their lives in my daughter's closet. 66 00:03:33,849 --> 00:03:37,510 He shot her in the head, and then himself. 67 00:03:37,527 --> 00:03:39,306 So it was a murder-suicide. 68 00:03:39,323 --> 00:03:40,069 Yes. 69 00:03:40,086 --> 00:03:42,611 And, so, how long ago did this happen? 70 00:03:42,628 --> 00:03:43,611 Three years ago. 71 00:03:45,713 --> 00:03:47,459 That is Kathy and David. 72 00:03:48,798 --> 00:03:51,069 [Steve] They look really happy in this picture. It's sad. 73 00:03:51,086 --> 00:03:54,001 You recall how old they might have been at the time this happened? 74 00:03:54,018 --> 00:03:56,679 Late '70's. - [Steve] Okay. 75 00:03:56,696 --> 00:03:59,120 They were very proud, strong people 76 00:03:59,137 --> 00:04:02,950 who had taken care of themselves and their entire families-- 77 00:04:02,967 --> 00:04:04,425 Okay. - [Jennifer]...for the whole 78 00:04:04,442 --> 00:04:04,883 of their lives. 79 00:04:04,899 --> 00:04:07,052 And I don't think that was their decision. 80 00:04:07,069 --> 00:04:09,611 Whose decision do you think it was then? 81 00:04:09,628 --> 00:04:11,205 I think they were influenced. 82 00:04:11,222 --> 00:04:13,255 All right, so I just wanna get down to brass tacks here. 83 00:04:13,272 --> 00:04:17,594 You believe the paranormal had something to do with their suicides. 84 00:04:18,459 --> 00:04:19,527 I really do. 85 00:04:19,544 --> 00:04:20,611 Okay. 86 00:04:22,849 --> 00:04:26,527 [Amy] There is a very heavy atmosphere. 87 00:04:27,408 --> 00:04:30,323 Death is here. 88 00:04:31,035 --> 00:04:33,815 Somebody died in this area. 89 00:04:33,832 --> 00:04:36,967 There's, like, some dead old lady over there. 90 00:04:36,984 --> 00:04:40,289 You know, she's probably, like, I don't know, 70? 91 00:04:40,306 --> 00:04:46,035 She's, like, super confused, so I'm, like, trying to tell her that, like... 92 00:04:46,052 --> 00:04:49,679 You know, I'm like, "Do you see the ambulance?" 93 00:04:49,696 --> 00:04:52,832 And she is like, "Yeah." 94 00:04:52,849 --> 00:04:55,832 And I'm like, "You need to go in the ambulance. 95 00:04:55,849 --> 00:04:57,899 "Like, that was for you." 96 00:04:57,916 --> 00:05:01,832 I think that she, 97 00:05:01,849 --> 00:05:04,950 you know, maybe, like, had a sudden death. 98 00:05:04,967 --> 00:05:07,069 I think this was fairly recent. 99 00:05:07,086 --> 00:05:10,255 I'd say, like, within the last 10 years. 100 00:05:13,798 --> 00:05:19,713 Then there's also, uh, something about a suicide. 101 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:25,340 Uh, I think a male who killed himself. Hmm. 102 00:05:31,916 --> 00:05:34,696 [Steve] Okay, so, what's going on around the house? 103 00:05:35,544 --> 00:05:38,713 I see an apparition often 104 00:05:38,730 --> 00:05:40,069 of an older white man, 105 00:05:40,086 --> 00:05:43,628 who says some pretty nasty things. 106 00:05:43,645 --> 00:05:47,730 [Steve] Like what? - He says that 107 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:50,476 nobody would be here if it wasn't for him, 108 00:05:50,493 --> 00:05:53,052 that he owns all of this. 109 00:05:53,069 --> 00:05:56,272 "And you're all here because of me." 110 00:05:56,933 --> 00:06:00,798 Okay, anything else? - That same 111 00:06:00,815 --> 00:06:04,815 older gentleman has jumped me on a few occasions. 112 00:06:04,832 --> 00:06:07,832 So when he jumps you like that, what happens? 113 00:06:07,849 --> 00:06:11,832 I feel intense emotion that does not come from me. 114 00:06:11,849 --> 00:06:15,764 Okay. - And I wind up screaming 115 00:06:15,781 --> 00:06:19,086 and yelling crazy things. - [Steve] That's interesting. 116 00:06:19,103 --> 00:06:22,272 So what's coming out of your mouth, though, do you even know? 117 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:24,391 I do know. 118 00:06:24,679 --> 00:06:26,018 Things like... 119 00:06:26,035 --> 00:06:29,103 "You don't appreciate me. You don't appreciate what I've done. 120 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,476 "You don't recognize what I've done. 121 00:06:32,832 --> 00:06:34,984 "I built everything, 122 00:06:35,001 --> 00:06:37,679 "and you do not appreciate me." 123 00:06:38,679 --> 00:06:39,866 All right, anything else? 124 00:06:39,883 --> 00:06:44,780 Something else in the house is influencing me emotionally. 125 00:06:44,798 --> 00:06:50,323 I get very upset, paranoid, angry, sad, fearful. 126 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:53,103 [Steve] Now is this a different feeling from when you get jumped? 127 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,849 [Jennifer] Yes. I'm not sure what it is, 128 00:06:55,866 --> 00:07:01,255 I just wind up being really angry with myself, that I'm failing. 129 00:07:01,950 --> 00:07:03,171 All right, so I gotta ask, 130 00:07:03,188 --> 00:07:05,764 could it be medications you're on that are making you feel like this? 131 00:07:05,781 --> 00:07:06,849 No. 132 00:07:06,866 --> 00:07:08,781 What do you think its purpose is, to do that to you? 133 00:07:08,798 --> 00:07:11,425 To drive you nuts? - [Jennifer] Yes. 134 00:07:11,442 --> 00:07:13,696 Okay. - And to 135 00:07:13,713 --> 00:07:16,815 make my family think I'm completely unhinged 136 00:07:16,832 --> 00:07:19,883 and so, therefore, they should discount what I say. 137 00:07:19,899 --> 00:07:22,527 Which causes more friction between you and your daughter. 138 00:07:22,544 --> 00:07:23,577 A great deal. 139 00:07:25,459 --> 00:07:26,289 [door opens] 140 00:07:29,832 --> 00:07:32,306 [Amy] Uh, I think this is living people. 141 00:07:32,323 --> 00:07:38,510 Male and a female, and they're having a really loud fight. 142 00:07:39,628 --> 00:07:40,713 Bad. 143 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:43,883 So there's fighting, fighting, fighting, 144 00:07:43,899 --> 00:07:46,594 and then the female storming off that way. 145 00:07:48,899 --> 00:07:50,950 She's got brown hair. 146 00:07:50,967 --> 00:07:53,306 And I hear, "Jessica." 147 00:07:53,933 --> 00:07:56,916 I'm hearing a male being, like, 148 00:07:56,933 --> 00:07:58,950 "You're just losing your mind." 149 00:07:58,967 --> 00:08:01,984 You know, "You're losing your mind." 150 00:08:02,001 --> 00:08:05,374 This, this living person is crying. 151 00:08:05,832 --> 00:08:07,408 Okay. 152 00:08:09,899 --> 00:08:13,255 Something's up. They have an attic. 153 00:08:13,832 --> 00:08:15,577 I see this, like, little thing. 154 00:08:17,899 --> 00:08:19,476 It's, like, hiding. 155 00:08:20,679 --> 00:08:21,289 [Mathew] What is? 156 00:08:21,306 --> 00:08:24,747 [Amy] It's, like, a little, like, gremlin-y looking thing. 157 00:08:24,764 --> 00:08:27,883 It doesn't wanna be found. 158 00:08:27,899 --> 00:08:29,713 [Mathew] Does this have any effect on the living? 159 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:31,459 [Amy] Yeah, it's bad. 160 00:08:39,204 --> 00:08:41,764 [Steve] All right, Jennifer, I'm assuming this is your own bedroom? 161 00:08:41,780 --> 00:08:42,662 [Jennifer] Yes. 162 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,289 [Steve] Okay, so what's going on? 163 00:08:44,628 --> 00:08:45,916 I have 164 00:08:45,933 --> 00:08:50,205 seen a dark figure that looks very much 165 00:08:50,222 --> 00:08:55,052 like a big, giant frog. It's about the size of a human toddler. 166 00:08:55,069 --> 00:08:58,527 Okay, so, I'm trying to figure out what this would look like. 167 00:08:58,544 --> 00:09:00,577 I actually drew it. 168 00:09:01,001 --> 00:09:02,611 Like a sketch? - [Jennifer] Yes. 169 00:09:06,001 --> 00:09:08,899 [Steve] Wow. It looks like a frog. 170 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:11,696 I'm afraid to even ask, but what else? 171 00:09:11,713 --> 00:09:15,679 I keep waking up with bruises on my body. 172 00:09:15,696 --> 00:09:17,967 I have a photo of one of the bruises 173 00:09:17,984 --> 00:09:20,001 that were left on the inside of my arm. 174 00:09:20,018 --> 00:09:22,866 [Steve] Okay. - [Jennifer] It's usually 175 00:09:22,883 --> 00:09:24,662 three bruises together. 176 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,730 [Steve] Okay. - [Jennifer] Like this. 177 00:09:26,747 --> 00:09:28,713 You have wood tables here. Everything is wood. 178 00:09:29,866 --> 00:09:32,476 Yeah, I do get bruises from those. But it's always 179 00:09:32,493 --> 00:09:34,255 on the outside. - Okay. 180 00:09:34,696 --> 00:09:36,679 All right, anything else like this happen? 181 00:09:36,696 --> 00:09:39,883 I felt a burning sensation on my cheek. 182 00:09:39,899 --> 00:09:40,866 Okay. - [Jennifer] And I found 183 00:09:40,883 --> 00:09:43,340 a scratch on my face. 184 00:09:43,357 --> 00:09:45,781 [Steve] This could have been an allergic reaction to something? 185 00:09:45,798 --> 00:09:46,832 No. 186 00:09:46,849 --> 00:09:47,764 No. - [Jennifer] My face gets red 187 00:09:47,781 --> 00:09:49,713 when I have allergic reactions. 188 00:09:49,730 --> 00:09:51,984 But it doesn't... Not in, like, one little spot. 189 00:09:52,001 --> 00:09:53,916 All right, so, what else is going on? 190 00:09:53,933 --> 00:09:57,781 There is an apparition that I see 191 00:09:57,798 --> 00:10:02,967 that is a tall, gray man, giving off a feeling of hate. 192 00:10:02,984 --> 00:10:04,883 [Steve] Okay, what's he look like? 193 00:10:04,899 --> 00:10:08,018 He's disproportionate in that his legs are very long, 194 00:10:08,035 --> 00:10:11,391 his arms are very long. And the torso is very long. 195 00:10:11,408 --> 00:10:12,611 [Steve] Okay. 196 00:10:12,628 --> 00:10:14,103 And it just looks odd. 197 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,764 Do you think this is the thing or person that 198 00:10:17,781 --> 00:10:19,052 caused your in-laws to do what they did? 199 00:10:19,069 --> 00:10:22,747 And causing all the havoc that's going on here? 200 00:10:22,764 --> 00:10:24,510 And maybe wanting to kill you? 201 00:10:24,527 --> 00:10:25,493 I do. 202 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:28,950 I think he wants people to do harm-- 203 00:10:28,967 --> 00:10:31,476 [Steve] Right. - ...and hurt others 204 00:10:31,493 --> 00:10:32,306 and themselves. 205 00:10:32,323 --> 00:10:35,544 What are you hoping you can get out of our investigation, now that we're here? 206 00:10:36,764 --> 00:10:39,577 I'm not sure it's even possible anymore, 207 00:10:39,594 --> 00:10:41,154 but I would love 208 00:10:41,171 --> 00:10:44,781 to have my normal relationship back with my daughter 209 00:10:44,798 --> 00:10:46,120 for one. - Hmm. 210 00:10:46,137 --> 00:10:51,391 And I would just love to be able to live every day without being attacked. 211 00:10:54,984 --> 00:10:56,730 [Amy] That gremlin looking thing 212 00:10:56,747 --> 00:10:59,798 is torturing the living woman in this room. 213 00:10:59,815 --> 00:11:04,476 I did see, like, arms reaching through the ceiling. 214 00:11:04,747 --> 00:11:07,696 Like, dangling down, 215 00:11:07,713 --> 00:11:09,645 going into a female's head, 216 00:11:09,662 --> 00:11:13,238 and, like, I think she's asleep. 217 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,205 And they're causing, um, issues. 218 00:11:17,222 --> 00:11:20,933 So, like, weird visions. I don't think they're good. 219 00:11:20,950 --> 00:11:24,984 More like having visions of, like bad things are about to happen. 220 00:11:25,001 --> 00:11:28,306 Like, to family or friends. Themselves. 221 00:11:28,323 --> 00:11:31,933 And I think it's working. I think this person's become very 222 00:11:31,950 --> 00:11:34,001 scared and neurotic. 223 00:11:34,018 --> 00:11:38,154 Her reality is really, really, really skewed, 224 00:11:38,171 --> 00:11:43,357 because this thing is, like, putting these weird 225 00:11:43,730 --> 00:11:45,645 thoughts in her head, 226 00:11:46,798 --> 00:11:51,611 and causing her to be paranoid and depressed and anxious. 227 00:11:51,628 --> 00:11:52,628 This is bad. 228 00:12:15,086 --> 00:12:17,357 So, Paige, let me just start off by 229 00:12:17,374 --> 00:12:20,713 extending my condolences about what happened with your grandparents. 230 00:12:20,730 --> 00:12:22,984 Thank you. I appreciate that. 231 00:12:23,001 --> 00:12:25,035 [Steve] What kind of people were your grandparents? 232 00:12:25,052 --> 00:12:27,967 They were... [sighs] They were really special people. 233 00:12:27,984 --> 00:12:30,899 They were very dedicated parents, 234 00:12:30,916 --> 00:12:34,967 they were hard working. They were my inspiration. 235 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:37,086 I understand your grandparents committed suicide 236 00:12:37,103 --> 00:12:38,849 somewhere in this room in a closet? 237 00:12:38,866 --> 00:12:41,747 [Paige] Yeah, the master bedroom closet, it's back that way. 238 00:12:41,764 --> 00:12:43,560 [Steve] Okay. - [Paige] It's a big walk-in. 239 00:12:44,137 --> 00:12:46,018 Do you even think your grandparents are here? 240 00:12:46,035 --> 00:12:49,238 I think that's entirely possible. 241 00:12:49,916 --> 00:12:51,306 Okay, so, if you can, 242 00:12:51,323 --> 00:12:54,730 Paige, give me, um, some of the experiences you've had. 243 00:12:54,747 --> 00:12:59,052 There was a lot of things that I would do and say 244 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:03,052 that I would be told that I... Aren't part of my character. 245 00:13:03,069 --> 00:13:07,306 It just felt like something else might be influencing that. 246 00:13:07,323 --> 00:13:09,832 [Steve] Your mom mentioned she's going through something similar. 247 00:13:09,849 --> 00:13:12,730 When it happens with you, though, what are we talking about? 248 00:13:12,747 --> 00:13:15,849 Like, yelling, as if, like, 249 00:13:15,866 --> 00:13:18,154 the people I love are somebody else. 250 00:13:18,171 --> 00:13:21,883 It's like I would forget for a minute who they were. 251 00:13:21,899 --> 00:13:26,272 Has your relationship with mom changed since she's moved here? 252 00:13:26,408 --> 00:13:27,154 Yes. 253 00:13:27,171 --> 00:13:31,120 There just seemed to be a lot more miscommunication, misunderstandings, 254 00:13:31,137 --> 00:13:33,916 but she got a lot more explosive and volatile, 255 00:13:33,933 --> 00:13:36,272 and I don't know what could be causing that. 256 00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:44,849 [Amy groans] Really negative energy. 257 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:46,510 Very negative. 258 00:13:47,832 --> 00:13:49,323 Absolute hatred. 259 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:53,713 "Can't get out of here. There's no way out. I've gotta get out of here." 260 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:55,137 This is the female. 261 00:13:55,154 --> 00:13:58,391 "Bad [bleep] gonna go down. Bad things." 262 00:13:58,781 --> 00:14:01,103 Okay, so this does concern me. 263 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,899 So, that gremlin looking thing is also messing with the living woman in this room. 264 00:14:05,916 --> 00:14:07,255 I just see the hands coming down, 265 00:14:07,272 --> 00:14:10,035 coming down, coming down, wherever, wherever, wherever. 266 00:14:10,052 --> 00:14:12,815 Coming down, manipulating her thoughts, 267 00:14:12,832 --> 00:14:16,950 getting her all worked up to act out. 268 00:14:16,967 --> 00:14:18,120 Why is it doing that? 269 00:14:18,137 --> 00:14:21,357 Well, now it's just pissed, so it's just, like, 270 00:14:21,374 --> 00:14:24,713 "I'm just gonna do this." You know, like, "[bleep] you, bitch." 271 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:26,950 Has she acted on that, or tried to act on that? 272 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:31,815 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part, 273 00:14:31,832 --> 00:14:33,916 like, where she has [bleep] lost it. 274 00:14:33,933 --> 00:14:38,645 Which definitely is being, 275 00:14:38,662 --> 00:14:41,696 uh, manipulated by this thing, 276 00:14:41,713 --> 00:14:43,577 to get worse. 277 00:14:43,594 --> 00:14:45,408 She wants to hurt others. 278 00:14:45,798 --> 00:14:48,306 That's not good. 279 00:14:52,883 --> 00:14:54,679 All right, anything else you could tell me about? 280 00:14:54,696 --> 00:14:56,832 I've been grabbed a few times, 281 00:14:56,849 --> 00:14:58,781 I mean, definitely a couple of times. 282 00:14:58,798 --> 00:15:00,916 Distinctively felt like fingertips. 283 00:15:00,933 --> 00:15:03,069 Okay, so where did this happen? Give me an example. 284 00:15:03,086 --> 00:15:05,849 Hallway leading to the garage, right there. 285 00:15:05,866 --> 00:15:08,238 I was grabbed and pulled by my elbow. 286 00:15:08,255 --> 00:15:12,510 So how hard are we talking? Grab my elbow, just give me an idea. 287 00:15:14,018 --> 00:15:16,493 All right, so not too hard. - No, not too hard. 288 00:15:16,510 --> 00:15:18,459 It was just enough to... 289 00:15:18,476 --> 00:15:19,916 Firm pinch and pull. 290 00:15:19,933 --> 00:15:21,849 Like they were trying to get my attention. 291 00:15:21,866 --> 00:15:23,696 Anything else like that happen? 292 00:15:23,713 --> 00:15:24,594 [Paige] I woke up, 293 00:15:25,086 --> 00:15:27,154 and noticed bruising on my neck. 294 00:15:27,171 --> 00:15:29,747 What kind of bruise was it? Was it like finger marks? 295 00:15:29,764 --> 00:15:31,679 Was it just a blotch? 296 00:15:31,696 --> 00:15:33,696 There was only a few finger marks. 297 00:15:33,713 --> 00:15:34,696 So it-- - So it looked like 298 00:15:34,713 --> 00:15:35,832 somebody grabbed you and tried to choke you. 299 00:15:35,849 --> 00:15:38,510 Right, - What do you think 300 00:15:38,527 --> 00:15:39,001 it could be? 301 00:15:39,018 --> 00:15:43,679 Whatever part of what's here feels, like, 302 00:15:43,696 --> 00:15:45,696 pure hatred and malice. 303 00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:47,713 Okay. 304 00:15:52,137 --> 00:15:56,510 [Amy] There's this woman here, living. 305 00:15:56,527 --> 00:15:58,069 She brought that thing. 306 00:15:58,086 --> 00:16:01,798 This feels like within the last four or five years. 307 00:16:01,815 --> 00:16:04,781 Something about four or five years. 308 00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:08,866 It didn't attach to her, it's more like she grabbed it. 309 00:16:08,883 --> 00:16:10,883 She collected it. 310 00:16:10,899 --> 00:16:14,544 I think she might have wanted to be haunted. 311 00:16:15,645 --> 00:16:19,137 She had issues throughout her life. 312 00:16:19,154 --> 00:16:24,781 Something about death happening near, with her, recently. 313 00:16:24,798 --> 00:16:27,476 I would say in the last two or three years. 314 00:16:28,171 --> 00:16:30,679 Now this gremlin looking thing has gone over there 315 00:16:30,696 --> 00:16:32,628 and it's [bleep] with the other woman. 316 00:16:38,272 --> 00:16:41,527 [Steve] So, I just got a call from the local historian. 317 00:16:41,544 --> 00:16:42,255 He did some digging, 318 00:16:42,272 --> 00:16:45,154 and found out that one of the first owners of Jennifer's land, 319 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:47,883 dreamed of turning it into a huge development. 320 00:16:47,899 --> 00:16:50,476 But the second he put the money together to do it, 321 00:16:50,493 --> 00:16:51,883 tragedy struck. 322 00:16:51,899 --> 00:16:53,713 I'm heading over to meet with him to find out 323 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:55,408 exactly what happened. 324 00:17:00,069 --> 00:17:01,832 Well, Richard, I appreciate you meeting with me 325 00:17:01,849 --> 00:17:03,747 and helping me out on this case. 326 00:17:03,764 --> 00:17:05,730 All right, let's get right to it. Who is this guy? 327 00:17:05,747 --> 00:17:08,984 His name was Walter Washington Rose. 328 00:17:09,001 --> 00:17:11,815 He was born in Athens, Georgia, in 1887, 329 00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:13,831 to a political family in the area. 330 00:17:13,849 --> 00:17:16,815 [Steve] Okay. So, when does he make it out to Orlando? 331 00:17:16,831 --> 00:17:18,763 The first time we really hear about 332 00:17:18,781 --> 00:17:23,069 Walter moving to the Central Florida area is in 1909. 333 00:17:23,086 --> 00:17:25,543 [Steve] Now, on the phone, you mentioned he was a land developer. 334 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,154 Is that right? 335 00:17:26,171 --> 00:17:28,306 [Richard] Yeah, he was buying large tracts of land 336 00:17:28,323 --> 00:17:31,255 and developing some of the most popular subdivisions in Orlando. 337 00:17:31,272 --> 00:17:34,950 In some of the business dealings that he had in real estate, 338 00:17:34,967 --> 00:17:38,628 it stipulated that the owners of the land had to be white. 339 00:17:39,899 --> 00:17:41,052 [Steve] All right, Richard, let me ask you a question. 340 00:17:41,069 --> 00:17:43,103 When does he wind up buying my client's property? 341 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:47,255 Well, in 1925, he ends up buying 380 acres 342 00:17:47,272 --> 00:17:50,713 of what was, then, unincorporated West Orange County, 343 00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:52,205 which included the property of your client. 344 00:17:52,222 --> 00:17:55,781 Walter's dream at the time was to build another popular community, 345 00:17:55,798 --> 00:17:58,747 in Central Florida, called Rose Hill Groves. 346 00:17:58,764 --> 00:18:02,611 It took 33 years for him to secure the financing 347 00:18:02,628 --> 00:18:03,866 to build Rose Hill Groves. 348 00:18:03,883 --> 00:18:05,916 It wasn't until 1958, 349 00:18:05,933 --> 00:18:08,086 that he had everything in place to break ground. 350 00:18:08,103 --> 00:18:10,374 He finally gets the financing together in 1958, 351 00:18:10,391 --> 00:18:13,120 but you said on the phone that's when tragedy struck. What happened? 352 00:18:13,137 --> 00:18:16,883 Well, in the early morning hours of August 30th, 1958, 353 00:18:16,899 --> 00:18:18,764 Walter wakes up in the middle of the night. 354 00:18:18,781 --> 00:18:20,357 He's in severe pain. - Okay. 355 00:18:20,374 --> 00:18:23,950 So he gets up out of bed, his wife Stella doesn't think anything of it. 356 00:18:23,967 --> 00:18:25,950 Okay. - Eventually, she finds him 357 00:18:25,967 --> 00:18:29,645 lying dead in the bathroom. In fact, this is his obituary. 358 00:18:30,323 --> 00:18:34,154 Walter Rose was 71 years old, when he died of a heart attack. 359 00:18:34,171 --> 00:18:36,933 All right, so what happens to the 380 acres? 360 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:39,916 Well, unfortunately, after Walter dies, 361 00:18:39,933 --> 00:18:41,984 his dream does with him. - Okay. 362 00:18:42,001 --> 00:18:45,967 His wife holds on to the property for another 30 years. 363 00:18:45,984 --> 00:18:48,967 It's never developed. And in 1985, 364 00:18:48,984 --> 00:18:51,950 she ends up selling it to another land development company. 365 00:18:51,967 --> 00:18:53,916 And that company, eventually, ends up 366 00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:56,730 building your client's home in 1986. 367 00:18:56,747 --> 00:18:58,459 Wow, okay. 368 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:04,662 [Amy] There's something about the earth here, that's so unstable. 369 00:19:05,628 --> 00:19:08,120 It's become angry, violent. 370 00:19:08,137 --> 00:19:11,594 There's some kind of movement, and it's not safe. 371 00:19:12,662 --> 00:19:16,832 There was, like, this whoosh of illness, 372 00:19:16,849 --> 00:19:20,984 which I think has to do with the earth. 373 00:19:21,001 --> 00:19:25,781 The living, maybe they're having equilibrium problems. 374 00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:29,866 Equilibrium issue can also cause some nausea. 375 00:19:29,883 --> 00:19:32,696 Do you think people are in danger because of this? 376 00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:34,713 I kind of think so. 377 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:35,713 Like, what could happen? 378 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:37,696 I don't know. But I don't feel safe. 379 00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:42,984 [Steve] So I reached out to a local PI, 380 00:19:43,001 --> 00:19:46,289 and told her about what happened with Jennifer's in-laws. 381 00:19:46,764 --> 00:19:47,933 She did some digging and found 382 00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:51,035 two more murder-suicides right near the house. 383 00:19:51,052 --> 00:19:55,374 I gotta say, for a small town, this is very unusual. 384 00:20:00,289 --> 00:20:03,815 So, Ting, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate that. 385 00:20:03,832 --> 00:20:05,967 Let's start with the first case. What did you find out? 386 00:20:05,984 --> 00:20:07,933 [Ting] So, it's said to be a 41-year-old female 387 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:09,764 by the name of Wanda Gayford. 388 00:20:09,781 --> 00:20:10,730 Okay. - [Ting] And her husband, 389 00:20:10,747 --> 00:20:12,730 that's 34-year-old Andrew. 390 00:20:12,747 --> 00:20:14,154 They married in 1997, 391 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:17,255 and lived right around the corner from your client's home. 392 00:20:17,272 --> 00:20:20,832 They were married for only six months, when things went bad. 393 00:20:20,849 --> 00:20:23,781 Andrew was arrested for domestic battery, 394 00:20:23,798 --> 00:20:26,035 because he threw Wanda up against a wall in their home. 395 00:20:26,052 --> 00:20:27,933 [Steve] So this guy sounds like a real piece of work. 396 00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:30,730 So, does he do time? Or does he get out? 397 00:20:30,747 --> 00:20:32,052 He only spends the night in jail. 398 00:20:32,069 --> 00:20:35,713 And in the morning, his arraignment, they release him on bond 399 00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:37,832 and tell him to stay away from Wanda. 400 00:20:37,849 --> 00:20:39,883 So, he didn't stay away, obviously. 401 00:20:39,899 --> 00:20:42,730 That is correct. So, on the morning of September 29th, 402 00:20:42,747 --> 00:20:44,086 things turned deadly. 403 00:20:44,103 --> 00:20:47,866 He goes home, and they actually have an argument, outside on the driveway, 404 00:20:47,883 --> 00:20:50,696 for about 30 minutes, according to eye witnesses. 405 00:20:50,713 --> 00:20:52,764 And the argument escalates. 406 00:20:52,781 --> 00:20:54,713 He pulls a gun out from his trunk. 407 00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:56,916 Wanda sees this, jumps in her vehicle, 408 00:20:56,933 --> 00:20:59,594 drives across the neighbor's yard to get away. 409 00:20:59,611 --> 00:21:01,645 And he fires six shots at her. 410 00:21:01,662 --> 00:21:03,018 Okay, so does she get hit? 411 00:21:03,035 --> 00:21:04,984 So, one of the rounds actually hits her, 412 00:21:05,001 --> 00:21:07,950 and she crashes her vehicle into a nearby vehicle. 413 00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:09,832 Okay. - So he jumps in his vehicle, 414 00:21:09,849 --> 00:21:14,747 pulls up next to her and shoots her at point blank range. 415 00:21:14,764 --> 00:21:16,018 Okay. - [Ting] And flees the scene. 416 00:21:16,035 --> 00:21:18,594 So, Wanda was rushed to the hospital, 417 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:20,086 and was announced dead on arrival. 418 00:21:20,103 --> 00:21:22,916 Okay, so he takes off. He's on the run at this point. 419 00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:24,899 Yes, he's on the run for the next several days, 420 00:21:24,916 --> 00:21:27,594 and he actually makes it all the way up to New Jersey. 421 00:21:27,611 --> 00:21:28,374 Okay. - Along the way somewhere, 422 00:21:28,391 --> 00:21:32,798 he ditches the vehicle, and calls a friend to bring him back to Florida. 423 00:21:32,815 --> 00:21:33,899 And on the way back to Florida, 424 00:21:33,916 --> 00:21:36,001 they stop at a gas station in Georgia. 425 00:21:36,018 --> 00:21:37,222 His friend's in the convenience store. 426 00:21:37,238 --> 00:21:39,950 Andrew walks outside, around the corner of the store. 427 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:41,662 With the gun that he shot Wanda with, 428 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,730 he shoots himself with in the head. 429 00:21:43,747 --> 00:21:45,120 [Steve] All right, so he took the coward's way out, 430 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:47,849 knowing he was gonna go back to Florida and wind up getting arrested. 431 00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:48,815 [Ting] Yes. 432 00:21:48,832 --> 00:21:49,984 So, now, you mentioned on the phone, 433 00:21:50,001 --> 00:21:52,103 there was another murder-suicide. 434 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,916 Yeah, so this one's gonna be an attempted murder-suicide, 435 00:21:54,933 --> 00:21:58,052 involving a 25-year-old female by the name of Bessie Joyner 436 00:21:58,069 --> 00:22:00,730 and her 32-year-old husband, Orville. 437 00:22:00,747 --> 00:22:01,866 They worked at a filling station 438 00:22:01,883 --> 00:22:04,137 that's only a mile and a half away from your client's home. 439 00:22:04,154 --> 00:22:07,459 Okay, so now we got another husband and wife. What happened? 440 00:22:07,476 --> 00:22:09,662 So, on March 16th, 1930, 441 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:10,950 while in the apartment, 442 00:22:10,967 --> 00:22:14,018 Bessie and Orville, basically, get in an argument. 443 00:22:14,035 --> 00:22:16,899 And Orville threatens her life. 444 00:22:16,916 --> 00:22:17,967 Okay, - [Ting] So she takes 445 00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:21,001 a single barrel shotgun and shoots him in the back. 446 00:22:21,018 --> 00:22:23,052 Okay. Now, does that kill him? 447 00:22:23,069 --> 00:22:27,781 It does not. So, he is taken to a nearby doctor, and he survives. 448 00:22:27,798 --> 00:22:29,798 All right, so he's shot, he survives. 449 00:22:29,815 --> 00:22:31,188 Now, now what happens with her? 450 00:22:31,205 --> 00:22:35,764 Well, she tells the officers that she shot him because it was self-defense. 451 00:22:35,781 --> 00:22:36,984 So, in the middle of the interview, 452 00:22:37,001 --> 00:22:39,713 she gets up and walks to the bedroom, 453 00:22:39,730 --> 00:22:42,493 finds a razor and slits her own throat. 454 00:22:43,188 --> 00:22:46,560 [Steve] She wind up not successfully killing her husband, 455 00:22:46,577 --> 00:22:47,984 but wind up killing herself. 456 00:22:48,001 --> 00:22:49,527 That is correct. - [Steve] In a pretty 457 00:22:49,544 --> 00:22:50,628 brutal fashion. 458 00:22:53,950 --> 00:22:58,391 [Amy] I encountered a female. 459 00:22:58,984 --> 00:23:03,662 Between maybe 18 and 25 years old. She's white. 460 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:07,255 I don't think that she died naturally. 461 00:23:07,916 --> 00:23:11,984 I would put her between the 1920s and the 1950s. 462 00:23:12,001 --> 00:23:14,933 She's extremely depressed, 463 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:19,357 and I'm nervous, because she's become... 464 00:23:19,883 --> 00:23:21,357 ...angry. 465 00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:25,035 For more information about the show, 466 00:23:25,052 --> 00:23:26,815 and if you need us to investigate 467 00:23:26,832 --> 00:23:28,730 unexplained activity in your home... 468 00:23:28,747 --> 00:23:31,967 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 469 00:23:31,984 --> 00:23:34,662 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 470 00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:36,238 and we'll help if we can. 471 00:23:43,086 --> 00:23:44,137 [Steve] So far, I have a client 472 00:23:44,154 --> 00:23:47,154 terrified something paranormal is out to kill her, 473 00:23:47,171 --> 00:23:50,510 on a property where there was a recent murder suicide. 474 00:23:51,001 --> 00:23:53,222 But I wanna see if there's anything else. 475 00:23:55,696 --> 00:23:56,899 Searching through the archives, 476 00:23:56,916 --> 00:24:00,899 I find the horrific story about a racially motivated massacre 477 00:24:00,916 --> 00:24:03,459 that sent shock waves through the area. 478 00:24:06,238 --> 00:24:10,018 So, I'm heading over to meet the chief curator of a local museum. 479 00:24:10,035 --> 00:24:14,645 She told me it all started when one Black man stood up for his right to vote. 480 00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:26,120 So, Pam, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 481 00:24:26,137 --> 00:24:29,086 Now, on the phone, you mentioned this one guy looking for justice, 482 00:24:29,103 --> 00:24:32,069 kind of made this thing go over the top. Who was this guy? 483 00:24:32,086 --> 00:24:34,035 So, a man by the name of Moses Norman, 484 00:24:34,052 --> 00:24:36,645 who was, uh, a business man and a labor broker 485 00:24:36,662 --> 00:24:37,899 in the city of Ocoee. - Okay. 486 00:24:37,916 --> 00:24:39,950 And so, on November 2nd, 1920, 487 00:24:39,967 --> 00:24:42,611 he went out to try to exercise his right to vote, 488 00:24:42,628 --> 00:24:43,984 and he was turned away at the polls. 489 00:24:44,001 --> 00:24:46,713 And that is what sort of kicked off the series of events. 490 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:48,764 Pam, why was he turned away? What reason? 491 00:24:48,781 --> 00:24:51,205 We don't necessarily know, uh, but the understanding 492 00:24:51,222 --> 00:24:53,798 is that he believed he had the legal right to vote, 493 00:24:53,815 --> 00:24:56,001 others thought that he'd maybe not met those obligations. 494 00:24:56,018 --> 00:24:59,018 All right. So he gets turned away. What happens next? 495 00:24:59,035 --> 00:25:01,967 So there was a, uh, armed mob of white men, 496 00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:04,120 who were deputized, who went out to Ocoee. 497 00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:05,899 Uh, they didn't go to the home of Moses Norman, 498 00:25:05,916 --> 00:25:08,001 they went to the home of his, uh, fellow labor broker 499 00:25:08,018 --> 00:25:11,086 and, uh, friend, who was also Black, named July Perry. 500 00:25:11,103 --> 00:25:14,730 [Steve] So, I'm assuming they went to this guy's house looking for Moses? 501 00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:15,967 [Pamela] Yes. 502 00:25:15,984 --> 00:25:18,967 Okay, so, I know, back then in Florida, the KKK was pretty prevalent. 503 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,730 Uh, did they have anything to do with this? 504 00:25:20,747 --> 00:25:21,764 Absolutely. 505 00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,849 And we actually have a really incredible archive 506 00:25:23,866 --> 00:25:25,069 from our collection, 507 00:25:25,086 --> 00:25:28,188 which is a letter from the Ku Klux Klan to the local white politicians, 508 00:25:28,205 --> 00:25:33,238 essentially telling them to stop educating Black voters. 509 00:25:33,255 --> 00:25:37,696 Okay, so now this deputized mob is at July's house. 510 00:25:37,713 --> 00:25:38,679 What happened? 511 00:25:38,696 --> 00:25:40,222 July Perry is shot multiple times. 512 00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:43,679 While he does manage to escape out the back side of his house, 513 00:25:43,696 --> 00:25:44,798 the mob gets him. 514 00:25:44,815 --> 00:25:47,069 They, uh, brought him over to the Orange County jail, 515 00:25:47,086 --> 00:25:49,747 where, supposedly, he received some medical attention, 516 00:25:49,764 --> 00:25:50,984 and was placed into a jail cell. 517 00:25:51,001 --> 00:25:52,628 And what happens after that? 518 00:25:52,645 --> 00:25:53,306 The white mob comes back. 519 00:25:53,323 --> 00:25:56,306 Uh, they actually come into the jail and overpower the jailor, 520 00:25:56,323 --> 00:25:59,866 taking his keys, and remove July Perry from his jail cell. 521 00:25:59,883 --> 00:26:02,001 Where they then take him outside, beat him, 522 00:26:02,018 --> 00:26:03,984 and then drag him behind a car, 523 00:26:04,001 --> 00:26:06,018 uh, before they lynch him and hang him, 524 00:26:06,035 --> 00:26:07,933 and then riddle his body with bullet holes. 525 00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:09,832 It sounds like these guys were crazy. 526 00:26:09,849 --> 00:26:11,950 I mean, it didn't end there, I assume. 527 00:26:11,967 --> 00:26:13,781 No, the violence actually continued 528 00:26:13,798 --> 00:26:16,001 all into the morning hours of the next day. 529 00:26:16,018 --> 00:26:20,001 At the site in Ocoee, there were still people there burning homes, 530 00:26:20,018 --> 00:26:22,730 killing others, uh, and creating a perimeter. 531 00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:25,628 Uh, we actually have a headline from the next day. 532 00:26:25,883 --> 00:26:27,340 [Steve] Okay. 533 00:26:28,645 --> 00:26:30,815 [Steve reads headline aloud] 534 00:26:30,832 --> 00:26:31,916 Is that correct? 535 00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:32,984 Part of the horror of this event 536 00:26:33,001 --> 00:26:34,967 is that intentionally, we will never know 537 00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,018 the number of how many people were murdered. 538 00:26:37,035 --> 00:26:39,052 Estimates range from 30 to 50. 539 00:26:39,069 --> 00:26:42,577 But all that we can factually say is four individuals, 540 00:26:42,594 --> 00:26:43,933 July Perry and three additional, 541 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:45,764 uh, were murdered that night. 542 00:26:45,781 --> 00:26:48,086 All right, was Moses among those three? 543 00:26:48,103 --> 00:26:51,018 No. There was a story that Moses died that night, 544 00:26:51,035 --> 00:26:52,781 but through genealogical research, 545 00:26:52,798 --> 00:26:54,730 we were able to find out that he actually survived 546 00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:56,459 and was later found in New York City. 547 00:26:56,476 --> 00:26:57,730 Really? - Yes. 548 00:26:57,747 --> 00:26:59,967 Okay, so, let me ask you a question. 549 00:26:59,984 --> 00:27:02,442 You got me in a courtroom here. 550 00:27:02,459 --> 00:27:03,713 Was anyone charged? 551 00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:06,154 The FBI did an investigation about voting fraud, 552 00:27:06,171 --> 00:27:08,764 but never an investigation about the massacre. 553 00:27:08,781 --> 00:27:10,832 And yet, nobody was ever, uh, 554 00:27:10,849 --> 00:27:12,798 held responsible for the events of that night. 555 00:27:12,815 --> 00:27:14,306 Wow, okay. 556 00:27:18,662 --> 00:27:21,306 [intense music playing] 557 00:27:23,103 --> 00:27:26,255 [Amy] I saw several horrifying things on my walk. 558 00:27:26,272 --> 00:27:29,883 But the gremlin looking creature, tormenting the living woman, 559 00:27:29,899 --> 00:27:32,018 concerns me the most. 560 00:27:32,035 --> 00:27:36,967 There's a female that's in a bed. 561 00:27:36,984 --> 00:27:39,967 You can see arms coming from the ceiling. 562 00:27:39,984 --> 00:27:42,103 So, they're longer than average. 563 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,357 So, the hands are going inside this person's head. 564 00:27:47,781 --> 00:27:50,662 Anything about the woman's facial expression? 565 00:27:50,679 --> 00:27:52,425 I want her to be asleep, 566 00:27:52,442 --> 00:27:53,832 so sleeping face. 567 00:27:53,849 --> 00:27:57,137 The hair's back, I think it's, like, parted in the middle. 568 00:27:57,154 --> 00:27:58,662 [suspenseful music plays] - [pen scratches] 569 00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:08,933 Amy, is this what you saw? 570 00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:10,272 [suspenseful music builds] 571 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:12,306 Yes. 572 00:28:15,883 --> 00:28:17,679 [crickets chirping] 573 00:28:23,916 --> 00:28:26,984 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 574 00:28:27,001 --> 00:28:29,798 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 575 00:28:29,815 --> 00:28:32,035 and our clients, for the first time. 576 00:28:32,052 --> 00:28:35,510 Amy, I want you to meet Jennifer, and this is Paige. 577 00:28:35,527 --> 00:28:36,967 They're mother and daughter. 578 00:28:36,984 --> 00:28:41,238 And they live here with Jennifer's husband, Ian. 579 00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:45,069 From what I could see, these guys are in a lot of trouble, 580 00:28:45,086 --> 00:28:47,357 and we're their very last hope. 581 00:28:47,374 --> 00:28:51,408 Now, unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk. 582 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,832 The first thing that I wanna discuss is I went to the back. 583 00:28:59,849 --> 00:29:01,747 I walked right into the backyard. 584 00:29:01,764 --> 00:29:06,476 And the earth was like doing this movement stuff. 585 00:29:06,493 --> 00:29:08,747 I did not feel safe 586 00:29:08,764 --> 00:29:12,781 because of the land here. The earth is unstable. 587 00:29:12,798 --> 00:29:14,764 The way I think it would affect you 588 00:29:14,781 --> 00:29:17,815 would be maybe, like, uh, equilibrium issues. 589 00:29:17,832 --> 00:29:18,899 Mmm-hmm. 590 00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:21,916 Uh, so you might get a little bit of vertigo occasionally. 591 00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:25,781 I was always a little klutzy and slightly off equilibrium, 592 00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:27,866 but I've been stumbling around, like I drink, 593 00:29:27,883 --> 00:29:29,611 since I moved in here, and I don't drink. 594 00:29:30,832 --> 00:29:33,001 Paige, any health issues? - [Paige] Yeah, uh, 595 00:29:33,018 --> 00:29:36,154 dizziness and balance, but the... 596 00:29:36,171 --> 00:29:38,611 They warned us that would happen when we moved in here 597 00:29:38,628 --> 00:29:39,849 because of the massive sinkhole. 598 00:29:39,866 --> 00:29:40,967 What? - [Paige] Yeah. 599 00:29:40,984 --> 00:29:43,069 There's a massive sinkhole at the bottom of the street. 600 00:29:43,086 --> 00:29:46,154 It's just a pond now, but it still was a massive sinkhole. 601 00:29:46,171 --> 00:29:51,662 This all used to be level, it all sunk, like, over a hundred years ago. 602 00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:53,832 [Amy] That's a sign the land is angry, 603 00:29:53,849 --> 00:29:56,408 and that's not good for you guys. 604 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,527 [Steve] What else? 605 00:29:58,866 --> 00:30:00,611 [Amy] When I was walking, 606 00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:02,357 out back, 607 00:30:02,866 --> 00:30:04,560 I heard, "Suicide." 608 00:30:06,832 --> 00:30:10,222 I had the feeling that it was a male. 609 00:30:10,238 --> 00:30:14,916 Then I am swinging around, and there's this little old lady over there. 610 00:30:14,933 --> 00:30:18,832 She's, like, completely baffled and confused. 611 00:30:18,849 --> 00:30:22,933 I think she would be in her late 70's, early 80's maybe. 612 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:26,764 I think that she died, uh, within the last 10 years. 613 00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:30,696 I did then see, like, a flash of, uh, the ambulance. 614 00:30:31,035 --> 00:30:33,255 And people were freaking out. 615 00:30:33,272 --> 00:30:37,103 Well, there's something you're saying that makes a lot of sense. 616 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,018 And something you definitely need to know about. 617 00:30:40,035 --> 00:30:42,035 There was a terrible tragedy in this house, 618 00:30:42,052 --> 00:30:44,069 and it's the kind of thing you never get over. 619 00:30:44,086 --> 00:30:45,815 The previous owners of the house 620 00:30:45,832 --> 00:30:48,832 were Jennifer's in-laws and Paige's grandparents. 621 00:30:48,849 --> 00:30:52,781 Kathy and David bought this place back in 2017. 622 00:30:52,798 --> 00:30:54,103 Three years ago, Kathy and David 623 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,916 walked into the closet of the back bedroom. 624 00:30:56,933 --> 00:31:00,493 David then pulled out a gun, shot Kathy and then shot himself. 625 00:31:00,747 --> 00:31:01,866 Oh, my God. 626 00:31:01,883 --> 00:31:05,764 Person who found the body was Paige. 627 00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:07,916 [Amy] Ugh, I'm sorry. 628 00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:11,035 Why don't you tell Amy a little bit about your grandparents? 629 00:31:11,052 --> 00:31:14,866 They were incredible, amazing, hardworking people, 630 00:31:14,883 --> 00:31:19,544 and they were a huge inspiration to not just me, 631 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,306 but everyone in the family. 632 00:31:22,323 --> 00:31:26,730 You told me you felt that something here influenced their suicides. 633 00:31:26,747 --> 00:31:30,289 Yes. They were extremely proud people. 634 00:31:30,306 --> 00:31:33,476 You had mentioned to me about you felt their presence here. 635 00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:36,120 Describe that to Amy for me, please? 636 00:31:36,137 --> 00:31:41,544 I'll hear Kathy talk to me, say encouraging things. 637 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,933 And, um... 638 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:46,340 Don't hear from David very much, except for like, one incident, 639 00:31:46,357 --> 00:31:51,544 when he came up behind me and kind of wrapped his arms around me, like, in a hug. 640 00:31:52,476 --> 00:31:53,476 It's really, 641 00:31:53,967 --> 00:31:56,730 really impactful for me. [sniffs] 642 00:31:56,747 --> 00:31:59,594 Now, I have a photo of David and Kathy. 643 00:31:59,611 --> 00:32:01,001 Uh, he was, what, 79? 644 00:32:01,018 --> 00:32:03,628 And gra... Your grandma was, what? 74? 645 00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:04,933 [Paige] Yes. 646 00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:07,577 [Steve] Now, could Kathy be who you ran into? 647 00:32:09,035 --> 00:32:13,696 No. I didn't know which house she was from, 648 00:32:13,713 --> 00:32:15,289 but I knew she wasn't from here. 649 00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:18,306 So, that's a good thing. 650 00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:22,916 [Steve] All right, what else? 651 00:32:22,933 --> 00:32:26,713 So, when I came in, immediately, 652 00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:29,035 I was hearing fighting going on. 653 00:32:29,052 --> 00:32:31,730 And that I believe was happening 654 00:32:31,747 --> 00:32:34,696 with the individuals who are living here. 655 00:32:35,493 --> 00:32:37,899 I saw a female storm off. 656 00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:41,832 I feel like this woman wants out of here. 657 00:32:41,849 --> 00:32:44,442 She wants to leave everybody and everything behind. 658 00:32:44,459 --> 00:32:49,323 And she's kind of freaked out by some weird thoughts, uh, that she's having. 659 00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:54,713 I got that this individual is predisposed to some depression, 660 00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:57,662 and I sense that this is 661 00:32:57,679 --> 00:32:59,103 a big problem here. 662 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,679 Well, that's one of the biggest reasons we were called in here. 663 00:33:01,696 --> 00:33:03,035 These guys are at each other's throats. 664 00:33:03,052 --> 00:33:06,238 And they think whatever's in the house could be causing the rage. 665 00:33:06,662 --> 00:33:08,950 Things are so volatile 666 00:33:08,967 --> 00:33:10,306 from the time that I've moved in. 667 00:33:10,323 --> 00:33:15,255 I was having the craziest emotional episodes of, like, rage, 668 00:33:15,628 --> 00:33:17,747 anger, pain. 669 00:33:17,764 --> 00:33:20,255 Yeah, there's been times I've been that way, too, 670 00:33:20,272 --> 00:33:25,069 but, it, um... I, I, I can't take any more screaming. 671 00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:27,950 I have wanted to leave for a really long time. 672 00:33:27,967 --> 00:33:30,764 The only reason I haven't is because 673 00:33:30,781 --> 00:33:34,018 we are Paige's source of support. 674 00:33:34,035 --> 00:33:38,527 I will always, always love my child 675 00:33:38,544 --> 00:33:40,120 with every fiber of my being, 676 00:33:40,137 --> 00:33:43,408 whether we ever get along again or not. 677 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:51,628 [Amy] Now, we're going to just dive into the big problem here. 678 00:33:53,154 --> 00:33:57,645 What I saw was, like, this little gremlin-y looking thing. 679 00:33:57,933 --> 00:33:59,883 It did used to be human, 680 00:33:59,899 --> 00:34:02,052 which is interesting, but it's lost its humanity 681 00:34:02,069 --> 00:34:04,916 over many, many, many, many years. 682 00:34:04,933 --> 00:34:09,967 So, I did see that something was reaching down, 683 00:34:09,984 --> 00:34:14,560 from the ceiling, and putting its hands inside a female's head. 684 00:34:14,577 --> 00:34:16,357 [Paige] Hmm. - [Amy] And, like, 685 00:34:16,644 --> 00:34:17,678 massaging the brain. 686 00:34:18,967 --> 00:34:23,035 Her reality is really, really, really skewed, 687 00:34:23,052 --> 00:34:28,222 because this thing is, like, putting these weird 688 00:34:28,577 --> 00:34:30,476 thoughts in her head, 689 00:34:31,153 --> 00:34:36,899 and causing her to be paranoid and depressed and anxious. 690 00:34:36,916 --> 00:34:38,950 [Steve] Jennifer, you told me you felt like something was reaching 691 00:34:38,967 --> 00:34:41,814 inside of you and causing panic attacks. 692 00:34:41,832 --> 00:34:43,932 Mmm-hmm. - You could tell Amy about that? 693 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:47,678 It feels like something reaches in 694 00:34:47,696 --> 00:34:49,764 and I've felt like it could read my mind 695 00:34:49,781 --> 00:34:55,510 until it was me feeling fearful and angry and 696 00:34:55,526 --> 00:34:57,696 rageful and paranoid. 697 00:34:57,713 --> 00:34:59,594 So is that causing them to fight? 698 00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:00,764 [Amy] Yes. 699 00:35:00,781 --> 00:35:02,052 [Steve] All right, so, could this thing 700 00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:04,594 have influenced Paige's grandparents? 701 00:35:04,611 --> 00:35:06,018 [Amy] I think so. 702 00:35:06,035 --> 00:35:08,594 [Steve] Okay, you described this thing as a gremlin. 703 00:35:08,611 --> 00:35:09,849 Is that what it looks like? 704 00:35:09,866 --> 00:35:13,476 I did have a sketch done of what I saw it doing. 705 00:35:19,662 --> 00:35:21,391 That's kind of creepy, huh? 706 00:35:24,984 --> 00:35:26,832 [Jennifer] Oh, my God. - [Amy] Yeah, it's just... 707 00:35:26,849 --> 00:35:28,476 It's really accurate. 708 00:35:30,238 --> 00:35:34,544 So, do you think that's Jennifer that you're describing in the bed? 709 00:35:35,815 --> 00:35:36,713 Yes. 710 00:35:39,035 --> 00:35:41,052 [Steve] Well, this might explain some of the physical stuff 711 00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:42,916 that's going on with these guys. 712 00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:44,815 Tell her about the bruises you wake up with. 713 00:35:44,832 --> 00:35:46,442 I wake up with 714 00:35:46,798 --> 00:35:48,154 three finger bruises. 715 00:35:48,171 --> 00:35:53,662 And they are always on the very insides of my arms. 716 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,899 And Paige, you got grabbed in the hallway. 717 00:35:55,916 --> 00:35:58,832 I was alone in the house, and it felt like 718 00:35:58,849 --> 00:36:01,984 I was grabbed by just a couple of fingertips 719 00:36:02,001 --> 00:36:05,611 from behind, on the elbow, and just kind of tugged backwards. 720 00:36:05,628 --> 00:36:07,544 And I was freaked out about it. 721 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,103 You also got scratched. 722 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,815 Mmm-hmm. - Tell Amy about that. I got a photo here of it. 723 00:36:12,832 --> 00:36:14,052 On her face. 724 00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:15,849 Mmm. - [Steve] Tell Amy about it. 725 00:36:15,866 --> 00:36:18,289 [Jennifer] I felt a burning. 726 00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:20,340 And, uh, that's... 727 00:36:20,696 --> 00:36:21,916 That's what was there. 728 00:36:21,933 --> 00:36:23,120 Hmm. - [Steve] Now, 729 00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:26,967 I don't know if it's related, but Jennifer's also seeing things. 730 00:36:26,984 --> 00:36:29,408 Talk about the gray man for a second. 731 00:36:29,713 --> 00:36:33,001 The gray man I have seen. 732 00:36:33,018 --> 00:36:34,747 Why do you call him the gray man? 733 00:36:34,764 --> 00:36:37,984 When I try to focus in and get his details, 734 00:36:38,001 --> 00:36:40,747 he's gray with black markings. 735 00:36:40,764 --> 00:36:42,950 Sometimes you'll feel him behind you, 736 00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:47,103 staring, like, hate and malice and ill-will into you. 737 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,628 You mentioned about meditating and that's when you saw the frog-like thing. 738 00:36:51,645 --> 00:36:52,832 Mmm-hmm. - [Steve] Tell Amy about that. 739 00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:53,679 Well, actually... 740 00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:55,933 She'd made her own sketch. 741 00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:57,069 Ah! - [Steve] So, explain to Amy 742 00:36:57,086 --> 00:36:58,916 what you seen and when you saw it. 743 00:36:58,933 --> 00:37:00,832 [Jennifer] I saw it once. 744 00:37:00,849 --> 00:37:04,611 He was really blobby and just, kind of, 745 00:37:04,628 --> 00:37:05,849 a mass, and he just had a, 746 00:37:05,866 --> 00:37:09,849 a froggy kind of shape and look. 747 00:37:09,866 --> 00:37:11,950 And his eyes were so weird. They were, like, 748 00:37:11,967 --> 00:37:14,544 the thick, bulbous froggy eyes. 749 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,883 Interesting, okay. 750 00:37:15,899 --> 00:37:18,018 [Steve] Any chance this frog or the gray man 751 00:37:18,035 --> 00:37:20,560 have something to do with the gremlin thing? 752 00:37:21,611 --> 00:37:23,154 Yeah, I mean, they can do that. 753 00:37:23,171 --> 00:37:27,323 They can project in different ways. Absolutely. 754 00:37:28,815 --> 00:37:30,035 Now, it gets weird. 755 00:37:30,052 --> 00:37:35,764 When I was in the main bedroom? 756 00:37:35,781 --> 00:37:36,815 [Steve] That's where Paige is. 757 00:37:36,832 --> 00:37:37,883 [Amy] Okay. 758 00:37:37,899 --> 00:37:41,306 There was a lot of negative energy, 759 00:37:41,323 --> 00:37:46,916 and had manipulated the thoughts of the female in there. 760 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:51,238 What it brought out in that female in there was hatred. 761 00:37:51,544 --> 00:37:53,272 Like, pure hatred. 762 00:37:53,289 --> 00:37:58,137 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part, 763 00:37:58,154 --> 00:38:00,849 like, where she has [bleep] lost it. 764 00:38:00,866 --> 00:38:05,560 Which definitely is being, 765 00:38:05,577 --> 00:38:08,560 uh, manipulated by this thing, 766 00:38:08,577 --> 00:38:09,899 to get worse. 767 00:38:09,916 --> 00:38:12,238 She wants to hurt others. 768 00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:15,747 I did have a dream Paige stabbed us with a knife, 769 00:38:15,764 --> 00:38:17,527 or me, not my husband. 770 00:38:17,544 --> 00:38:18,577 [Amy] Oh, my gosh. 771 00:38:20,086 --> 00:38:22,018 What does this thing want of them, though? 772 00:38:22,035 --> 00:38:23,849 Besides causing mayhem? - [Amy] It's just a... 773 00:38:23,866 --> 00:38:26,679 Yeah, it's just, that's the [bleep] it does. 774 00:38:26,696 --> 00:38:29,188 It just manipulates people's thoughts 775 00:38:29,205 --> 00:38:33,018 and causes problems, and that's what it's doing. 776 00:38:33,035 --> 00:38:37,035 Now it's just vindictive. Now it's out of, like, revenge. 777 00:38:37,052 --> 00:38:40,883 I won't let it push me to violence. 778 00:38:40,899 --> 00:38:44,510 If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna have to do it the bloody hard way. 779 00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:59,459 So, we've got a big problem. 780 00:39:00,018 --> 00:39:01,781 Question is, can we kick this thing out 781 00:39:01,798 --> 00:39:03,171 so you two can live in peace? 782 00:39:03,188 --> 00:39:05,154 Or is time to pack up and get the hell out of here? 783 00:39:05,171 --> 00:39:07,425 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 784 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:13,747 [Amy] This is a big problem here, 785 00:39:13,764 --> 00:39:16,510 but you can absolutely get this thing out. 786 00:39:17,238 --> 00:39:21,611 I think it would be best though, to bring in a sensitive. 787 00:39:21,628 --> 00:39:24,679 Then maybe it can be moved on, 788 00:39:24,696 --> 00:39:27,001 versus, like, completely obliterated. 789 00:39:27,018 --> 00:39:29,967 It's terrified of being obliterated, 790 00:39:29,984 --> 00:39:32,747 'cause then it would cease to exist. 791 00:39:32,764 --> 00:39:36,747 So, I think, if you guys have that intention, 792 00:39:36,764 --> 00:39:39,815 it may even back off of what it's doing right now, 793 00:39:39,832 --> 00:39:41,849 knowing, "I'm gonna get out of here. 794 00:39:41,866 --> 00:39:46,628 "Somebody else is coming in, and it's gonna be a good thing, 795 00:39:46,645 --> 00:39:48,374 "for everybody." 796 00:39:48,662 --> 00:39:52,832 I was terrified, so that, 797 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:55,679 shocking as it is, is actually good news, 798 00:39:55,696 --> 00:39:58,425 because he's defeatable. 799 00:39:58,442 --> 00:39:59,476 [Amy] Mmm. 800 00:39:59,493 --> 00:40:00,662 Very happy. [chuckles] 801 00:40:02,103 --> 00:40:04,899 Once they get rid of this, will their health get better? 802 00:40:04,916 --> 00:40:07,866 [Amy] Yes. Everybody'll be feeling a lot better. 803 00:40:07,883 --> 00:40:09,662 And clear, clear-minded. 804 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,662 [Steve] What about the angry land? 805 00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:13,866 [Amy] I was freaked out about it. 806 00:40:13,883 --> 00:40:17,832 But I think you'll be okay now that you're aware of it. 807 00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:19,662 So that's a good thing. - Oh, yeah. 808 00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:23,611 The other thing I wanna bring up is counseling. 809 00:40:24,052 --> 00:40:27,544 Both of you guys need it for yourselves-- 810 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,205 [Paige] Mmm. - Mmm-hmm. 811 00:40:28,222 --> 00:40:31,984 I think there's stuff, you guys, each, need to get rid of. 812 00:40:32,001 --> 00:40:35,120 And then I think you guys need counseling together. 813 00:40:35,137 --> 00:40:37,883 Y'all need to learn how to speak each other's language. 814 00:40:37,899 --> 00:40:39,832 You also need to bury some [bleep] 815 00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:41,933 that doesn't need to be existing anymore. 816 00:40:41,950 --> 00:40:43,560 Mmm. - [Amy] So you guys 817 00:40:43,577 --> 00:40:44,154 could like, I don't know, 818 00:40:44,171 --> 00:40:47,476 maybe have a good, functional, happy relationship. 819 00:40:47,967 --> 00:40:49,730 I mean, I... I've been dying 820 00:40:49,747 --> 00:40:51,069 for personal therapy-- - Okay. 821 00:40:51,086 --> 00:40:54,899 ...since my grandparents died. And I would absolutely love to 822 00:40:54,916 --> 00:40:57,849 be in counseling with her, because I don't have my grandma anymore. 823 00:40:57,866 --> 00:40:59,527 She's all I-- - And you want your mom. 824 00:40:59,713 --> 00:41:00,577 Yeah. 825 00:41:01,747 --> 00:41:03,984 So, Jennifer, you gonna take Amy's advice? 826 00:41:04,001 --> 00:41:06,476 Absolutely. - [Steve] Okay. 827 00:41:07,408 --> 00:41:08,086 Good. 828 00:41:08,103 --> 00:41:13,747 I am profoundly thankful for the information that has come forth, 829 00:41:13,764 --> 00:41:15,137 and what to do about it. 830 00:41:15,154 --> 00:41:20,832 I am extremely happy that it's something we can actually do something about. 831 00:41:20,849 --> 00:41:23,222 It's relieving. 832 00:41:23,238 --> 00:41:26,679 [Amy] I'm really glad we were able to come up with a solution 833 00:41:26,696 --> 00:41:28,086 for Jennifer and Paige. 834 00:41:28,103 --> 00:41:31,222 I believe if they contact a medium to get rid of the gremlin 835 00:41:31,238 --> 00:41:34,916 and start family counseling, they will be well on their way 836 00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:38,442 to finding the peace and happiness they deserve. 837 00:41:41,984 --> 00:41:45,018 Hi, Dead Files. Update time. 838 00:41:45,035 --> 00:41:48,527 So, I found a very sweet sensitive 839 00:41:48,544 --> 00:41:49,916 who referred me to her team. 840 00:41:49,933 --> 00:41:52,035 They came in, did a thorough check, 841 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:56,052 found everything, and it's all gone. 842 00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:58,120 I can't tell you how excited I am. 843 00:41:58,137 --> 00:42:01,747 For Paige and I, the future looks really good. 844 00:42:01,764 --> 00:42:04,154 I'm not exaggerating when I say 845 00:42:04,171 --> 00:42:08,611 that I could not be more grateful. Thank you, guys. 67405

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