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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.COM 1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,640 You know, I later learned a lot about the LaHoods. 2 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,840 Their father's a good man, from everything that I've learned about the family. 3 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,840 And this father had three boys, 4 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,760 which was Michael Jr., which was Nicholas, and there's a younger brother. 5 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,520 Well, I learned that Michael was a young man 6 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,320 that had a lot of potential. 7 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,360 This was a potential that was cut short. 8 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,320 I understand from his family's perspective that... 9 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,920 they kind of see me as the responsible party. 10 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,160 There's a point that I had to come to in my life 11 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,560 where I had to realize that I put myself in this position 12 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,080 and I was a part of this crime that took place. 13 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,720 My name is Kenneth Foster Jr. 14 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,680 I'll be 41 years old next month. 15 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,120 I was convicted for capital murder, 16 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,520 and I was sentenced to death in 1997. 17 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,880 And I walked up, I fired one shot. 18 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,320 And as I got closer, I fired one more shot. 19 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,720 She was shot through the cheek and it stopped in her jaw. 20 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,680 I drove him around behind a desk and I stabbed him approximately 25 times. 21 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,800 I couldn't believe it. 22 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,120 I just thought I can't believe I just killed somebody. 23 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,160 I don't feel bad about it. 24 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,880 I started stabbing him, stabbing the guy on the couch. 25 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,280 I don't even need this, huh? 26 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Okay. Okay. 27 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,840 I done got, I done got old with this beard. 28 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,920 I done got grey hairs everywhere. 29 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Well, I grew up mostly in San Antonio, Texas. 30 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,400 Both of my parents were... 31 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,280 Unfortunately, they were... they were both drug addicts 32 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,320 and in and out of prison. 33 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:36,240 When I had my time with my father, that time was spent mostly on his terms, 34 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,680 which was him going in the store stealing to support his habit, 35 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,720 watching him shoot drugs. 36 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Sometimes he'd try to teach me how to be a better criminal 37 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,560 when I was just a child. 38 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,240 Eventually, around fourth grade, which was in the '80s, 39 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,760 my grandparents took me in. 40 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,040 You know, they wanted to give me a chance in life, 41 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,680 and they did their best to raise me from there. 42 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,480 So, for me to sit here and say that I didn't have opportunity 43 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,440 would be wrong. 44 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,400 I'd be, I'd be telling a lie. 45 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,720 They deserve better than what I did. 46 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,200 At that time, which was 1996, 47 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,000 I was getting involved in music. 48 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:38,480 I had friends that had a recording studio. 49 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,800 And the night in question, which was August 14th, 50 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,120 we were hanging out. 51 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,840 We were, you know, we were smoking, we were drinking, 52 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,880 and we were kind of club hopping. 53 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,280 We wanted to go see different clubs. 54 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,880 And there was four of us that was in the car. 55 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,400 I was driving. 56 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,520 In the front passenger seat was Julius Steen. 57 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,800 Sitting behind me was Mauriceo Brown, 58 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,440 and in the passenger back seat was DeWayne Dillard. 59 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,600 As we were driving, you know, one of the occupants said, 60 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,440 you know, they asked if maybe we wanted to pull a jack move, you know? 61 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,800 And a jack move was pretty much, you know, you kind of run up on somebody. 62 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,120 And it's basically, it's a robbery. Under the law, it's a robbery. 63 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,880 I was, you know, I fell to peer pressure, and I said okay. 64 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,360 And so, this happened twice. 65 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,920 And there was, there was an unsettling feeling in me. 66 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,600 I knew. I knew it was wrong. 67 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,360 And I knew it shouldn't be happening. 68 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,320 And we decided to stop, you know? 69 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,200 We were kind of what you would call "joy riding." 70 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,320 We knew that we were heading in a direction of a club 71 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,200 that we had heard about. 72 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,600 And so, as we were driving towards this area, 73 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,640 there was another two cars in front of us. 74 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,520 The two cars ended up turning into a residential area. 75 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,320 That's where, that's where the events took a wrong turn. 76 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,600 They ended up pulling up into a house to the left, 77 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,640 so we kept going straight down the road. 78 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,560 The road happened to... 79 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,360 We thought it was a dead end, so we made a U-turn. 80 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,240 As we were getting ready to leave the residential area, 81 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,480 there was a female that was standing at the end of the driveway. 82 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,080 And she kind of flagged us down. 83 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,960 You know, she... 84 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,280 she looked in the car and she wanted to know, 85 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,000 "Hey," you know, "do I know you?" 86 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,080 We said, "No, you don't know us." 87 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,360 And she was dressed real skimpy. 88 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,360 It came out later that she was a stripper, you know. 89 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,720 And, and... she looked good. 90 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,520 She was a beautiful woman. 91 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:57,920 And, um... 92 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,920 one of the occupants in the car had actually said that... 93 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,680 I believe it was Mauriceo Brown who was in the back, you know. 94 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,120 And Mauriceo Brown was kind of a class clown, 95 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,840 and he, you know, was a goofball. 96 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,920 He liked to flirt with women, so he told her, "Hey, you look good." 97 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,640 And she said, "Well, you know, if, uh... 98 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,200 If you like what you see, take a picture. 99 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,640 It'll last longer." 100 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,960 So, at that point, Mauriceo Brown exited the car. 101 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,560 And, you know, he approached the woman. 102 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,880 And at the top of the driveway, Michael LaHood Jr. was there. 103 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,760 What happened at this point is under a lot of controversy. 104 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,840 At the time that Mauriceo Brown left the car, 105 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,480 we were about 70 feet away at the bottom of the driveway. 106 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,600 The driveway went up like a slope, 107 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:05,120 and then it went into, like, a carport, okay? 108 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,640 So, whatever took place up there is probably only known 109 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,960 between Mauriceo, Michael, and Mary Patrick 110 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,160 because they were the only ones that were there. 111 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:30,440 This is SAPD case number 96492347, 112 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,160 the scene of a capital murder. 113 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,600 I did know he had a gun. 114 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,200 He never said he's taken the gun. 115 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,560 He never said, you know, "Be prepared to take off." 116 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,880 We didn't know what he was going out to do. 117 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,240 We really thought he was going out to goof around with the female. 118 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:00,040 According to Mauriceo Brown's testimony, he said that Michael brandished a weapon. 119 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,640 And when he brandished the weapon, 120 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,760 he said he pulled his weapon, and it went off. 121 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Um, Mauriceo Brown testified that we didn't plan a robbery. 122 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,440 He testified that nobody encouraged him to rob. 123 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,640 And he testified that he acted on his own accord. 124 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Um, unfortunately, that wasn't good enough, you know. 125 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,960 The jury didn't believe it, you know. 126 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,280 And they convicted both of us for capital murder. 127 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 They convicted me of being a conspirator to the crime. 128 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,640 Um, they convicted me mostly for being a driver, 129 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,880 for driving the car. 130 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,680 And they handed down the death sentence for that. 131 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,840 I could honestly say that... 132 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:05,320 you don't understand death row until you're there. 133 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,880 You don't know if you're gonna get to death row, 134 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,360 and people are gonna be trying to kill you, murder you, fight you. 135 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,000 I mean, it was scary. 136 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Every day when you're there, and every year, 137 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,640 there was executions mounting up. 138 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,800 Some of these guys became my friends. 139 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,920 People that, "Hey, man, uh... 140 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,560 I got an execution date, man. 141 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,640 Uh, I'll see you." 142 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,240 And it's like... 143 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,160 that's fittin' to be me. 144 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,880 Uh... 145 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,680 You can't put that into words. 146 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,200 It's a traumatic process. 147 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,440 It's a traumatic process. 148 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,400 We say, "Hell, no!" They say, "Death row!" We say, "Hell, no!" 149 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,760 They say, "Death row!" We say, "Hell, no!" 150 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,200 They say, "Death row!" We say, "Hell, no!" 151 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,680 They say, "Death row!" 152 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,360 We are the people... 153 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,800 To tell you about what happened on the day of my execution, 154 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,920 I have to tell you about what happened the day before. 155 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,720 I had become real vocal on death row 156 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,560 because we ended up gaining a reputation 157 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,200 for being vocal and willing to protest for our rights. 158 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,240 They decided to remove me from death row a day early of my execution. 159 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,200 Where are you taking me, man? Where are you taking me to? 160 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,560 I'll walk with you if you tell me what you're doing with me, man. 161 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,040 Am I gonna see my family, yes or no? 162 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Am I gonna see my family, yes or no? 163 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,160 Free Kenneth Foster! Free Kenneth Foster! 164 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,680 I was scared to death. I didn't know why they were coming. 165 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,760 I mean, I know that I can't get executed before my execution, but what do I know? 166 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,600 I didn't know anything up to that point. 167 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,440 So when they came and took me out my cell, I went to the ground. I laid it down. 168 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,800 I'm not participating in this, man. 169 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,000 I'm not participating in this. 170 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,960 - Free Kenneth Foster! - What? 171 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,800 - Free Kenneth Foster! - What? 172 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,680 Free Kenneth Foster! 173 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,600 I refused to walk. 174 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,760 I was scared. 175 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,320 I didn't feel like I should be getting executed, 176 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,040 and I made them carry me. 177 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,160 They carried me, put me in the van, they drove me to Huntsville. 178 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,800 Um... 179 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,600 and then the next day, I had my final visit with my family. 180 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,480 I found out through the warden, he told me my sentence was commuted, 181 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,440 and he said, "Hey, we'll have a bus here to get you in about ten minutes." 182 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,440 They reprocessed me. I was reprocessed as a new inmate. 183 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:12,040 And the second half of my life began in August 30th, 2007. 184 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Every day, for the last 21 years, I've had to think. 185 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,360 What can I do that's gonna make a difference in this situation? 186 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,840 Because it's hard to bring a triumph from a tragedy like this 187 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,680 because this man shouldn't have lost his life. 188 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Even though I wasn't the one that killed him, 189 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,640 nevertheless, I was there. 190 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,080 And I've had to pay the price for it, and it means something to me. 191 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,240 Over the years, we wanted to build a bridge with the LaHood family. 192 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,840 We've wanted to show them the person that I've become. 193 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,600 We want to discuss with the family, not only my sentence, 194 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,240 but is rehabilitation and redemption possible? 195 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,840 I wanna show that life is worth something. 196 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,400 You'll never disbelieve in the word "redemption" again. 197 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,960 I can guarantee you that. 198 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 You don't, you don't get lost in this neighborhood. 199 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,240 I mean, you don't just... I took a left accidentally instead of a right. 200 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,920 I mean, they were this deep into the neighborhood 201 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,680 'cause they were following somebody. 202 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:00,760 This is my parents' house. 203 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,840 This is where the incident happened 204 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,160 on August 15th, 1996, at 2:14 in the morning. 205 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,680 So, at the time, all three of us... myself, my older brother, my younger brother... 206 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,080 were living with my parents, so we were all home. 207 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,880 My bedroom was on the other side of the house. 208 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,200 I was just watching TV. 209 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,160 I know I heard the alarm go off. 210 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,840 And so, I actually got up and opened the door. 211 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,000 I saw my pop run by with a weapon, with a gun in his hand. 212 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,400 And I heard a female's voice from down the hallway, 213 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,160 and, you know, faintly saying, "Mike" and then "shot." 214 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,440 I grabbed a weapon and followed my pop. 215 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,880 I walk out of this door, 216 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,160 and Mike's car was parked here. 217 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,480 But what I could see was literally a river of blood 218 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,880 that was coming from underneath the car, all the way down the driveway. 219 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,520 So, I walk around. 220 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,600 And then, the young lady was screaming at the top of her lungs. 221 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:11,120 And then I saw my brother laying facedown with his head that way, at this angle. 222 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,720 And then my aunt said, "Mijo, he's gone." 223 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,400 I'll never forget that. She said that. 224 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,520 And so, when she said that, I remember looking at my pop. 225 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,040 I can still see it. I remember looking at my pop. 226 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:31,240 And he went from being intense, like, "What do I do?" 227 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,720 I can just see it. Now, as a daddy, I get it. 228 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,920 To literally... I mean, he just... 229 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,280 Like his spirit left his body. 230 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,440 And he walked out to the front of the yard and cried by himself. 231 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,320 I didn't know whether to follow him, what to do. 232 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,440 I didn't... There was no CPR to do. 233 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,040 Well, I mean, I became a functioning anger-holic, right? 234 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:25,720 I was angry. 235 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,840 The world gave me no answers. 236 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,160 You heard your mom cry the way only a mom can cry. 237 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,880 You helped load your brother's body on the gurney 238 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,440 after they did the investigation and rigor mortis set in his body. 239 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,600 And you helped your pop wash your brother's blood off your driveway. 240 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,880 I didn't want help. I thought that was for weak people. 241 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,560 That was my mentality at the time. 242 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,680 And so, it showed out in my behavior. 243 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,640 I mean... 244 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,800 I didn't celebrate birthdays. Christmas was like whatever. 245 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,160 Stared at an empty chair. 246 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,720 You know, I felt guilty to laugh. 247 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,480 I lived with regret. 248 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,000 I have regrets that I wasn't there. 249 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,640 There wasn't a time in his life on this side of heaven 250 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,000 that he needed me more 251 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,840 than August 15th, 1996, at 2:14 in the morning. 252 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,640 I used to sit outside my driveway... 253 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,000 with my weapon, and challenge evil, the devil, to come back. 254 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,520 I said, "Come back, you son of a bitch. I'm ready for you, you coward." 255 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,200 Kenneth Foster, even today, 256 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,960 he's still saying that he didn't know what they were doing. 257 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,000 There's no reconciliation without truth. 258 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,520 So, to say, "I didn't know where I was going," 259 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,960 and, "Mauriceo wanted me to go to... 260 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,720 We're just going to some party. I'm just driving. 261 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Now I'm gonna get killed for it on the death penalty"? 262 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480 We weren't dealing with a Boy Scout back then, you understand? 263 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,320 He had the gun earlier in the night. 264 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,480 He was on deferred adjudication, which is probation, 265 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,560 community supervision, for shooting two guys in the stomach. 266 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,080 So, I don't respect that. 267 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,920 The idea of meeting with Kenneth Foster doesn't enrage me anymore. 268 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,840 It used to. 269 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:47,000 I will not expend any resources 270 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,800 to do something solely for him. 271 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,400 He can't pay me back. There's nothing he can do to pay me back. 272 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,560 So why even seek out a debt that he can't pay? 273 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Here's something that we did. 274 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,480 We all had our "Save Kenneth Foster" shirts on. 275 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,320 It says "Don't let Kenneth Foster become another victim 276 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,600 of a racially-biased judiciary." 277 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,920 It's kind of, maybe, not the best slogan for a banner. 278 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,520 "A racially-biased judiciary?" I mean, what is that? 279 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,480 Just like, I would say, 280 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,600 "Don't let Kenneth become the victim of the racist system!" 281 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,160 It's, like, the way that I would do it. 282 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Now, here's a punchy banner. 283 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,960 That gets the information out there that you wanna get out there. 284 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,120 It's way better than "racially-biased judiciary." 285 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,800 Just saying. 286 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,840 In death penalty cases, the loudest voices were always the voices of the victims. 287 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,960 But we also felt like, especially in these cases 288 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,480 where innocent people are on death row or in danger of being executed, 289 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,840 that they are being victimized by the system 290 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,080 and that their voices should be just as loud. 291 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,760 Here's some letters from Kenneth, actually. 292 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,280 You can see, like, it's typewritten, and it's so long. 293 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,080 He always had a lot to say, and he would always be like, 294 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,920 "I need you to do this, this, this, this, this." 295 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,960 Like, a long list of things he needed me to do. 296 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,640 We felt that by focusing on a single case, 297 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,160 we could humanize people on death row. 298 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600 I think his case was really easy to understand 299 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,680 because he didn't shoot anyone. 300 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,360 That was understood by everybody, 301 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,400 that he was in a car several feet away when this murder took place. 302 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,720 I didn't know about the law of parties. 303 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,960 Until Kenneth's case, it was the first I'd heard of it. 304 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720 It has some... also language about predictability, 305 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:32,600 that you should have known that this crime could have occurred or would occur, 306 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240 so it's a very specific law. 307 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,000 And that was a big part of our campaign, was hammering away at that law. 308 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,360 Because it asks a person to basically be psychic, 309 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,000 that they should have known that this crime was going to be committed. 310 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,840 Commutation is very, very rare. 311 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,520 In fact, I think that when Rick Perry commuted Kenneth's sentence, 312 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,680 it was only, like, the second death sentence to be commuted. 313 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,240 Execution is murder. It's premeditated murder. 314 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:14,480 I saw my long-time pen pal, Justin Fuller, executed. 315 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,560 Despite the sort of clinical veneer of the lethal injection process, 316 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,080 when you witness it, it's... 317 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,440 It's... I don't... It feels like witnessing a violent crime. 318 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,040 You're watching your loved one be murdered right in front of your eyes. 319 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,000 That's like... And you can't do anything. 320 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,800 Kenneth Foster's death sentence, 321 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,480 I agreed with it then, and I agree with it today. 322 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,600 And I will always agree with that. 323 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,440 I think it's terribly wrong for people to believe 324 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,440 that he was "wrong place, wrong time." 325 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840 To believe that he was just a driver and didn't know. 326 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,440 I don't think they believed they were gonna be found guilty 327 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,480 because I remember they were laughing and joking. 328 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,480 And when they were found guilty, I think they were a little bit more concerned. 329 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,280 I think Kenneth was the most person in shock. 330 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080 And he was the one I was most convinced of. 331 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,840 Even though Mauriceo Brown was the actual shooter, 332 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,120 but I was more convinced with him 333 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,840 because you could just tell he was the brains behind the outfit. 334 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560 He was the one who was pulling the strings. 335 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,920 He may not have fired that weapon, but he facilitated that whole night. 336 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,880 It was August 14th, 1996, 337 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,480 when four individuals were driving in a vehicle, looking to rob people. 338 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Mauriceo Brown, DeWayne Dillard, Julius Steen, 339 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,000 and Kenneth Foster was the driver. 340 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,440 The pattern was seeing people that were just stopped, and robbing them. 341 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,440 This woman had been working, and she was... 342 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,320 You know, she was a waitress at a Jim's Coffee Shop, 343 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,280 minding her own business, making... 344 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,920 Scraping up all of her money she could get from tips 345 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,680 and whatever she's getting paid there. 346 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,440 They would have seen the first victim over here at this location. 347 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,880 And at that point, 348 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,640 that's when Kenneth Foster moved his vehicle over there 349 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,440 to let Julius Steen and Mauriceo Brown out so she can be robbed. 350 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,800 They were looking for, they thought, an easy prey. 351 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,760 They saw her by herself, a lone woman. 352 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,480 They said, "She'd be very easy to go and rob at gunpoint." 353 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,000 Now, if they did not intend to go use it, why was it loaded? 354 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,920 The four individuals in the vehicle had just completed their first robbery. 355 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,320 They were then proceeding to their second robbery. 356 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,640 They saw three individuals right here. 357 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,840 Two women and a man. 358 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,320 And at that point, 359 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,640 that's when Mauriceo Brown stepped out of the vehicle again 360 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,040 and brandished a gun in their face, yet again demanding their money. 361 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600 Demanding their purses, money, and credit cards. 362 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,520 He is the one that pulled into this location. 363 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,600 And remember, if anything, he was spotting what was going on. 364 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,200 In fact, he was a very big participant in this. 365 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,400 After the second robbery, they proceeded to go looking for other victims. 366 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Not going home, not cutting it short, but continuing. 367 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,680 And at that point, they saw Mary Patrick in a white vehicle. 368 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,080 A pretty woman driving a vehicle alone, 369 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,400 and they figured, "We're gonna follow her." 370 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,000 So, as you can see, this is a lot of winding and turning. 371 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,680 And I don't see any kind of nightclubs out this way, 372 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,960 and it wasn't like this 20 years ago, either. 373 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,720 Yeah, here we are. This is it. 374 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,920 This is the house. 375 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240 Okay, we're in front of Michael LaHood's home. 376 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,200 That's when Mauriceo Brown confronted Michael LaHood, 377 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,760 put the gun in his face and demanded the money, 378 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,200 demanded his wallet. 379 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,240 And shot him in the face. 380 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,160 It wasn't an accident. 381 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720 The trigger pull is much too hard for that. 382 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,960 It's not an accident. The gun didn't accidentally discharge. 383 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,400 Kenneth Foster, he manipulated the individuals. 384 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,240 The jury saw through that as well. 385 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,040 He's an arrogant individual, 386 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,240 and he would've said anything and would say anything... 387 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,720 I believe he'd still even say to this day that it wasn't... 388 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,360 He didn't anticipate Mr. LaHood getting murdered. 389 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Kenneth Foster's case was decided before Mauriceo Brown's case, 390 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,960 which means he was found guilty 391 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,760 and, in addition, he was actually sentenced the death sentence 392 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,480 before even Mauriceo Brown, the actual shooter. 393 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,320 That's how much they believed he was involved in this case. 394 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600 Well, I knew that night, after Mike passed, 395 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960 I knew at that moment that life was gonna be different. 396 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,080 I knew there was a new normal in our lives. 397 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,080 Brokenness creates more brokenness, right? 398 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000 I just thought to myself, I gotta get my shit together. 399 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,280 I can't say it any other way. 400 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640 Hey, George. Good to see you, brother. 401 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,560 God bless you. 402 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,120 And a friend of mine, he started talking about faith, you know? 403 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,240 And said, "You should try out my church." I was intrigued. 404 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,360 And little by little, it started permeating in my spirit. 405 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800 But thank you for being here this morning. My name is Nico LaHood. 406 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280 We're here this morning for a very particular reason. 407 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,240 I'm a hypocrite if I don't believe 408 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,560 that someone who is guilty of murder cannot turn their life around. 409 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,760 You know why? 410 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760 Because the apostle Paul, who wrote two thirds of the New Testament, 411 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,160 used to be Saul of Tarsus and he was a murderer. 412 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,480 So, I am not a follower of Christ if I don't believe 413 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,720 that someone who commits the act of murder cannot be redeemed. 414 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,280 'Cause God says he can. 415 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,320 I couldn't talk about my brother's murder or the situations 416 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,600 without salivating with anger and hate. 417 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,400 So, what changed your worldview? 418 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,000 Christ revealed mine. 419 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,880 The idea of meeting with Kenneth Foster, 420 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000 it would be a benefit to him, I'm assuming. 421 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,240 This whole time, I have not felt that that was something missing 422 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,800 in my journey to find peace. 423 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,240 I found peace. 424 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,560 I didn't make a mistake. People like to talk about poor choices as mistakes. 425 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,680 A mistake is an accident. 426 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,400 I didn't make a mistake, I made a poor choice. 427 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,720 I sold drugs. I sold drugs when I was young and foolish, 428 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,760 and I was arrested for selling drugs. 429 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,560 I was pissed off at myself because I was labeled a drug dealer, 430 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,360 a criminal, because I made poor choices in my life. 431 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,440 I was just stupid. 432 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,360 So, I was mad at myself because I was dealing with these labels 433 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,240 that I helped put on myself. 434 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,600 I mean... So, I've lived it. 435 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,560 That's why I believe in redemption. Right? 436 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,880 I remember this one. That's one of him. 437 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Well, I see this and this. 438 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,240 That's him there. 439 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,680 This was at Easter time. 440 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,840 There's his Easter basket and... 441 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,480 He was good, he was darn good at that age, because I've had to just about... 442 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,560 deprived him of his early childhood experiences 443 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,960 and things that he had confronted there. 444 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,720 And he was back on the right path. 445 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,800 Kenny was born to my youngest son, 446 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,520 and I saw that he was not being well taken care of. 447 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,720 Now, I'll admit that my son was a drug user. 448 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,440 He had gotten into trouble in different times. 449 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,840 And I saw the need for him to be in a different environment, 450 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440 and I asked to let him stay with me awhile. 451 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,800 And that's the two of us, Kenny and myself. 452 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,840 I don't know what we were doing or what we had done. 453 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,160 Evidently something funny because we were still laughing over it. 454 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,080 I just wanted to train him up to be a good person... 455 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,800 as far as setting his goal in life. 456 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,120 For some reason, he wanted to be a policeman. 457 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,360 Would you believe it? 458 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480 In his second year in middle school, 459 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,040 he got with a group that was smoking marijuana 460 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160 and he got suspended from school. 461 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,080 That was the first instance of his really getting into big trouble. 462 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,560 When they said death penalty because of he has driven a car, 463 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,760 I just never... I never conceived the idea that he was going to be executed. 464 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,680 I... It was just something in my mind. I said, "There's just no way." 465 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,160 His execution came around. 466 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,800 Governor Perry spoke and said, 467 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,640 "The sentence will be commuted to life in prison." 468 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,560 I said, "Wow," I said to myself. I mean, yeah, I cried. 469 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,560 Yeah, I'm not so macho or whatever that I can't shed tears. 470 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880 It was, it was tears of joy. 471 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,200 "Now," I said to myself at that time, "now the thing is get him out of there." 472 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,200 Death... I mean, a life sentence is a life sentence, 473 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,600 and we still have work to do. 474 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,880 I mean, yeah, I'm 90 years old now, but I still say I'm going to see him free. 475 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,200 Yes, even now. Yes. 476 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,800 I said, "He's going to be free." 477 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,840 I'd do everything I possibly can to free him, 478 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,320 and so now I'm going to continue doing it, and it's going to happen. 479 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,760 - I'm for Nico LaHood. - I'm for Nico LaHood. 480 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,000 I'm for Nico LaHood. 481 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,160 I'm for Nico LaHood because he's gonna be good for our community 482 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,480 and he's the right man for the job. Please vote for Nico LaHood. 483 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,400 When you need somebody to watch your back, Nico LaHood has your back. 484 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,720 Today, I'm a husband and dad, former prosecutor and magistrate judge. 485 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,280 Now, some say all that's not enough. 486 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,480 I say what got me from there to here is my hard work 487 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,000 and a belief in redemption. 488 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,040 If she was a few months younger, it would have been a capital murder. 489 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:28,680 I mean, it's... 490 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,240 There's no way in hell I ever dreamed that I would be the district attorney 491 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,000 of Bexar County of San Antonio. 492 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,960 A lot of people were curious about what kind of DA I was gonna be. 493 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,400 People said, "Look, he has this experience. 494 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,400 His brother was murdered in his driveway." 495 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,800 And there was a group of people that thought I would seek the death penalty 496 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,280 most of the time. 497 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,800 I believe we're balanced. 498 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,080 We seek it. There's no doubt about it. 499 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,560 I'm gonna review three cases today on death penalty decisions. 500 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,480 But anybody that makes a carte blanche statement 501 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,560 that I'm just against the death penalty, 502 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,440 I say, "Have you tested your theory? What do you mean? 503 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,280 Has your kid been shot in the face in your driveway?" 504 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,920 "No. I don't know. 505 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000 I think you think you're against the death penalty, you just don't know." 506 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,640 When I attended the execution of Mauriceo Brown, 507 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,160 and I was still very angry... 508 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,480 And they ask you, "Why are you here?" 509 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,480 And if you want me to say exactly what I said, 510 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,640 I said, "It's none of your fucking business why. 511 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,120 I'm here 'cause I wanna follow this through. 512 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,880 This individual murdered my brother and I need to see him go to the Lord. 513 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,840 I need to physically see him take his last breath and go to the Lord." 514 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,640 I'm all for reconciliation in all circumstances. 515 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,160 There's people absolutely wanting me to advocate for him to get out. 516 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,120 And if I'll meet him, it has nothing to do with the sentence. 517 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,120 He's eligible for parole in 40 years. 518 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,640 If he's changed his life, then God bless him. 519 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,280 I'll visit him on a regular basis. How about that? 520 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,880 - Good to see you! - You look sharp. 521 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,680 Look, look, this is not being sharp. I just... I went to church this morning. 522 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,440 Well, amen. I was in church, too. 523 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680 You know, we are here for a purpose. 524 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,960 Even though there were something that happened in our family 525 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,720 that we both regret. 526 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,400 I mean, I do, I regret it and feel half of a feeling for you, 527 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,040 and I'm hoping that we don't hold animosity. 528 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,960 But I can only say I'm sorry and I apologize for what he has done, 529 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,240 and which he would do the same thing. 530 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200 He would apologize now that he realizes. 531 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,480 Kenny being driving the car. 532 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,560 Mauriceo inflicted the punishment upon your brother, 533 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:31,880 and Kenny has spent 24, 25 years in confine... Well, incarcerated. 534 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,680 And now, I'm trying to see if there is some way that... 535 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,840 I don't know... Well, if he could get another trial 536 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,760 or... I don't know what would be necessary there. 537 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,640 Yeah, I know you have an opinion 538 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,520 and you have some perceptions of what's going on 539 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,120 based on what you've been told. 540 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,120 - He was charged with capital murder. - Yes. 541 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,600 Under the law of parties, 542 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,800 you do not have to pull the trigger or do the stabbing to be responsible. 543 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,440 That's the situation we're in with Kenneth. 544 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,880 - Let me ask you this. - Sure. 545 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,960 Now, is it any benefit 546 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,000 for the defense attorneys that work the cases? 547 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,960 I'll tell you that the mindset behind the law of parties 548 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600 is for it to be the benefit of the community. 549 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,400 It's not whether it's a benefit to the defense or to the state. 550 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,480 It's a benefit to the community. Think about it. 551 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,400 There are some people out there that are very manipulative 552 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,040 and have a mastermind. 553 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,000 And if we didn't hold that person accountable, 554 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,440 and only the person they manipulated to do the crime, 555 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,280 then people would get away with a lot of stuff. 556 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,120 Anyway, yeah, I'm just trying... Really... 557 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,360 I'm really trying to find something that would be advantageous 558 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,960 in our case where Kenny may... 559 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,480 can get another hearing and get something 560 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,960 that may lead to his being released from prison. 561 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,480 I don't have this yearning desire to meet with Kenneth, 562 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,360 but I don't mind being obedient and meeting with him, 563 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,040 and then maybe it's something that he needs, or... 564 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,040 Who knows what's gonna happen from it? But I'm saying is, I'll be... 565 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080 I'm gonna go in there with an open heart. 566 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,040 But just so you know, 'cause I wanna make sure we're always clear, 567 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600 I have no intention of advocating for Kenneth 568 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,000 to get out sooner than he should. Just to let you know. 569 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,040 I'm just being honest with you. 570 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,600 He can still serve a tremendous purpose from in there. 571 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,240 If he gets out at the right time, then I'm okay with it. 572 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,840 I'm okay with the system playing out. How about that? I'm okay with it. 573 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,800 I just thought it was interesting. 574 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,440 He was kind of trying to gently touch on the fact 575 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,040 that he believed that Kenneth was being over-punished 576 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,760 or punished too harshly or unjustly, 577 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,120 which he's entitled to that opinion. 578 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,880 I have no qualms with that, but... 579 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,080 I mean, even if I... And it's a huge if, which is not gonna happen. 580 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,040 Even if I wanted to advocate to get him out early, I have no authority. 581 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,280 The law is the law. 582 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,400 I mean, he's not even eligible, regardless of who wants him out. 583 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,840 Until 40 years. 584 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,120 The main thing that I want to get with Nico about 585 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,000 is really a couple of things. 586 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,720 I really wanna talk to him about the power of a man 587 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,480 and his ability to go through a situation like this, you know? 588 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,560 And to come through the other side a better man. 589 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,760 But it's also to talk to an individual that... 590 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080 maybe once in his life could have been right where I'm at. 591 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,520 You know? He could have been sitting right here. 592 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,320 I look at him as somebody that was on the wrong course in life, 593 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,880 but got his life straight. 594 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,560 And I admire that. 595 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,320 I admire him as a man and I admire what he's done. 596 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,640 And perhaps at some point in time in the discussion, 597 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,640 we could have a legal discussion regarding... 598 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,640 um, was my case deserving of death? 599 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,920 Have I done anything with my time to deserve a second chance in society? 600 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,200 In the readings that I've done, when you are really seeking forgiveness, 601 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,960 you have to be honest about what you did. 602 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,040 And that means that I would have to sit down with Mr. LaHood, 603 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,560 and, piece by piece, walk through what happened that night. 604 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,480 If anybody ever knows anything, if Nico and his family ever know anything, 605 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,320 Mauriceo didn't want that to happen. 606 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,960 Mauriceo was just trying to be a show-off. 607 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,280 There was no conspiracy to rob anybody. 608 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,920 Somebody would have got out with Mauriceo, just like earlier in the night. 609 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,880 Somebody would have been with him to hold his back. 610 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,720 You don't send one man to rob two people. You don't do that. 611 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,160 I wanna say something. 612 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,520 And I've been saving this for this documentary. 613 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,560 And it's something that... 614 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,520 Nico doesn't know. 615 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,400 And it's something that some of my supporters don't know. 616 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,280 But I want the world to know this. 617 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,280 When we were in that car that night, 618 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,760 and Mary Patrick was here talking to us, talking to us at the car, 619 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,680 and said, "Hey, are you guys following me?" or whatnot. 620 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,040 And, "No, we're not following you." 621 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,120 All this is in the trial record, but this is the part that's not. 622 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,800 When Michael LaHood was at the top of the driveway, 623 00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,680 I don't know if he got upset 624 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,480 or maybe he was angry that she was talking to us for so long. 625 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440 But regardless if anybody believes it or not, 626 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,840 and I say this at the possibility of my own demise, 627 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,080 he kind of gave us the bird. 628 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,000 Like this here. Like, you know. 629 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,960 And kind of in a joking fashion, I told Mauriceo, I said, 630 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,680 "Man, you gonna let that guy flick us off like that?" 631 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,280 And it was really just a joke. 632 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,840 It was... it just didn't mean anything behind it. 633 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,520 And that's when Mauriceo jumped out the car. 634 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,760 That's when he got out and went up to the driveway. 635 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,960 I feel that... 636 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,120 if I hadn't said that, we would have just drove off. 637 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,480 I'm accepting the guilt. 638 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,240 I'm accepting the blame. 639 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,200 If I have to do this life sentence 640 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,320 because of something that my stupid mouth said, 641 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,760 then I have to do it. 642 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,200 What I said caused Mauriceo to get out the car. 643 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,600 Was, "You gonna let that guy do that?" 644 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,320 And he got out, trying to be a tough guy, man. 645 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,880 And that's something that I've had to live with. 646 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,960 That's something I wanted to sit in front of Nico and tell him, 647 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,480 "We weren't trying to rob your brother." 648 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,400 But perhaps what I went through, death row, 649 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,920 maybe that was something to spank me on my butt. 650 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,840 To warn me. 651 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,880 Keep your mouth shut. 652 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,000 Listen, pay attention, be humble in life. 653 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,360 Why would you believe this? 654 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,720 Because what I just said can hurt me. 655 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,600 What I just said can hurt me, can be used against me possibly. 656 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,200 So, I've had to go back to my cell and pray and think, 657 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,680 "What would I wanna say to Nico LaHood?" Because if he never comes to see me, 658 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,360 this may be the only way that he hears my side of the story. 659 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,600 My legal defense was always we did not conspire. 660 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,360 We did not agree to commit a crime. 661 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,640 Me saying, "Hey, man, you gonna let this guy flick you off?" 662 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,680 It's not a crime. 663 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,240 But I assume the responsibility of what took place that night 664 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,280 because of what I said to Mauriceo. 665 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,440 Mauriceo wasn't trying to kill that man, he was just trying to be a tough guy. 666 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,160 And he lost his life because of it. 667 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,680 You know, I'll tell you something. 668 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,200 It's the worst feeling in the world to... 669 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,920 have somebody treat you... 670 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:04,840 so good, 671 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,600 give you everything that you could have wanted within their means. 672 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,920 And for you to hurt them and disrespect them 673 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,480 in the way that I've done my family... 674 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,200 You know, you know, my grandfather took me from a father that was a drug addict. 675 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,400 My mother was a prostitute. 676 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,280 And she died of AIDS in 1993. 677 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,280 And he tried to take me from that, you know, and tried to raise me right. 678 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,720 There's something that Nico LaHood's father, 679 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,040 Mr. Michael LaHood Sr., said. 680 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,120 "You can spend 20 or 30 years building a reputation. 681 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,240 And in 30 seconds, you can ruin it." 682 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,320 Thank you, sir. 59719

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