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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:20,104 Scottie, in the paper today, it says that 2 00:00:20,188 --> 00:00:24,150 Phil wants one more year back here and Michael wants $36 million, 3 00:00:24,233 --> 00:00:28,362 and it also quotes Jerry krause is not ruling out a trade for you, 4 00:00:28,446 --> 00:00:30,448 which leaves you flapping in the breeze. 5 00:00:30,531 --> 00:00:31,657 Does that bother you? 6 00:00:33,951 --> 00:00:37,830 I would love the opportunity of finishing my career in Chicago, 7 00:00:37,914 --> 00:00:41,918 but if it don't happen, then I'll just have to look elsewhere. 8 00:00:42,668 --> 00:00:45,421 I'm one of the best players to ever play the game. 9 00:00:46,964 --> 00:00:49,550 I understand what my value is to this game. 10 00:00:50,676 --> 00:00:52,946 You're very underpaid, though, as one of the top players. 11 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:54,573 What do you think your value is in terms... 12 00:00:54,597 --> 00:00:55,848 My day will come. 13 00:00:56,515 --> 00:00:57,850 My day will come. 14 00:01:00,478 --> 00:01:02,521 Scott/e p/ppen/ 15 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:14,408 Thank you. Thank you for all the wonderful moments 16 00:01:14,492 --> 00:01:16,410 that the fans here in this city 17 00:01:16,494 --> 00:01:20,706 have shown me and my teammates for ten long seasons. 18 00:01:23,834 --> 00:01:25,836 I've had a wonderful career here, 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,507 and if I never have the opportunity to say this again, thank you. 20 00:01:34,971 --> 00:01:39,475 Scottie pippen with a tearful thank you. We thought for one unconscionable moment 21 00:01:39,558 --> 00:01:41,727 that we might be hearing a retirement statement there. 22 00:01:43,354 --> 00:01:48,150 What made me upset was I knew it was the end of the journey, 23 00:01:48,234 --> 00:01:52,363 and I'd never saw it ending like that. 24 00:01:53,072 --> 00:01:57,034 Jerry krause made everything real murky when he said, 25 00:01:57,118 --> 00:02:01,247 "this is Phil's last year. We're dismantling this team." 26 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:06,544 After this season, we're basically relieved of our duties. 27 00:02:11,173 --> 00:02:12,693 The spectacular bulls. 28 00:02:12,758 --> 00:02:14,302 0/7! The game's over. 29 00:02:14,385 --> 00:02:16,637 Chicago stadium is going wild. 30 00:02:18,723 --> 00:02:20,951 First of all, there's no backstabbing going on here. 31 00:02:20,975 --> 00:02:22,244 It's time for me to move on. 32 00:02:22,268 --> 00:02:24,788 This will be Phil's last year as the coach of the bulls. 33 00:02:26,814 --> 00:02:28,524 Are the expectations way too h/gh 7 34 00:02:28,607 --> 00:02:29,835 Where do we go from here? 35 00:02:29,859 --> 00:02:32,361 The only question: How long can it last? 36 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:47,251 Ugh, I'm being squished. 37 00:02:47,335 --> 00:02:49,695 - I'm sorry. - Take it easy, guys. 38 00:02:55,801 --> 00:02:57,303 I mean, scottie has feelings. 39 00:02:57,386 --> 00:03:00,266 I mean, he has certainly the dedication and love for the city of Chicago, 40 00:03:00,348 --> 00:03:02,099 and, uh... 41 00:03:02,183 --> 00:03:04,685 You know, it's... it's tough. 42 00:03:04,769 --> 00:03:07,188 I mean, when you have so much appreciation for the fans 43 00:03:07,271 --> 00:03:09,482 who have supported you for so many years 44 00:03:09,565 --> 00:03:11,835 and sometimes when you get out there and you speak, I mean, 45 00:03:11,859 --> 00:03:13,778 that has to touch you deep down inside, 46 00:03:13,861 --> 00:03:16,864 and, uh, you, know, with all what's happened thus far, 47 00:03:16,947 --> 00:03:20,451 I mean, it certainly can be a very emotional situation for him. 48 00:03:21,744 --> 00:03:23,579 Have you talked with him at all? 49 00:03:23,662 --> 00:03:26,183 Are y'all gonna talk about the game or y'all gonna talk about scottie? 50 00:03:26,207 --> 00:03:27,267 A little bit of both. 51 00:03:27,291 --> 00:03:29,311 Well, you talk to scottie to answer scottie's reply. 52 00:03:29,335 --> 00:03:30,479 Okay, what about the game, then? 53 00:03:30,503 --> 00:03:32,129 There you go. 54 00:03:58,948 --> 00:04:03,619 Scottie pippen was the underrated, underappreciated Robin 55 00:04:03,702 --> 00:04:05,204 to Michael's Batman. 56 00:04:05,287 --> 00:04:09,041 I would never be able to find a tandem, another support system, 57 00:04:09,125 --> 00:04:12,211 another partner in the game of basketball like scottie pippen. 58 00:04:12,294 --> 00:04:13,921 He was a pleasure to play with. 59 00:04:14,547 --> 00:04:17,216 Whata show the bulls are putting out here. 60 00:04:17,299 --> 00:04:18,860 Piopen fightback to Jordan. 61 00:04:18,884 --> 00:04:19,885 Yes. 62 00:04:19,969 --> 00:04:21,679 Oh, my/ 63 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,265 through trial and error, 64 00:04:24,348 --> 00:04:28,811 through that kind of blast furnace that Michael would put people through, 65 00:04:28,894 --> 00:04:30,855 scottie got tough... 66 00:04:30,938 --> 00:04:33,065 Scottie coming hard on the drive, 67 00:04:33,149 --> 00:04:34,469 takes it all the way to the rack. 68 00:04:36,235 --> 00:04:39,780 And he was lethal defensively. 69 00:04:39,864 --> 00:04:43,617 Seda/e threatt, Antonio Harvey... piopen/ 70 00:04:43,701 --> 00:04:47,872 oh/ sensational end-to-end defensive action. 71 00:04:49,748 --> 00:04:50,916 On, p/p/ 72 00:04:52,084 --> 00:04:55,421 He helped me so much in the way that I approached the game, 73 00:04:55,504 --> 00:04:56,755 the way I played the game. 74 00:04:57,548 --> 00:05:00,428 Whenever they speak "Michael Jordan," they should speak "scottie pippen." 75 00:05:03,012 --> 00:05:07,141 You know, and everybody says, well, I won all these championships, 76 00:05:07,224 --> 00:05:09,185 but I didn't win without scottie pippen. 77 00:05:10,686 --> 00:05:13,814 And, you know, that's why I consider him my best teammate of all time. 78 00:05:19,904 --> 00:05:22,865 I grew up in a town of about 3,500 people. 79 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:25,701 Everybody pretty much new each other. 80 00:05:27,161 --> 00:05:32,500 My mom and my dad were very strong people, and they were about surviving. 81 00:05:32,583 --> 00:05:36,295 And, obviously, that's what they were about if they had 12 kids. 82 00:05:39,882 --> 00:05:42,968 We used to have a basket in my grandmother's yard. 83 00:05:43,052 --> 00:05:47,097 It was in the dirt, so it would be dusty all the time. 84 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:50,351 It didn't matter. I had old shoes anyway. 85 00:05:50,434 --> 00:05:54,313 Everybody was close, and everybody shared everything, you know? 86 00:05:54,396 --> 00:05:57,233 It was just a good time. We didn't even know we were poor. 87 00:06:01,028 --> 00:06:02,863 I was about 11 or 12. 88 00:06:05,032 --> 00:06:08,702 My dad had just gotten home, 89 00:06:08,786 --> 00:06:14,250 and as he was eating his dinner, he just kind of fell back, 90 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:16,669 and he suffered a stroke. 91 00:06:19,171 --> 00:06:23,842 I can still see it every time I think about it. 92 00:06:25,261 --> 00:06:29,515 He lost his speech, and he was stuck in a wheelchair 93 00:06:29,598 --> 00:06:32,560 and bedridden for the rest of his life. 94 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:36,605 Six years before that, 95 00:06:36,689 --> 00:06:41,360 my second-oldest brother was injured in high school. 96 00:06:41,443 --> 00:06:46,740 A kid fell on him in pe class with a wrestling move. 97 00:06:47,575 --> 00:06:50,160 It paralyzed him, so... 98 00:06:52,288 --> 00:06:56,250 Two. Yeah, yeah, with two people in my house in a wheelchair. 99 00:06:58,085 --> 00:07:03,007 Basketball gave me an opportunity just to get out of the house and play 100 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:05,634 and didn't need anyone to kind of play with. 101 00:07:06,218 --> 00:07:09,888 Dr. J was my childhood hero. 102 00:07:09,972 --> 00:07:14,435 I always wanted to play like him and dunk the basketball like him. 103 00:07:15,936 --> 00:07:19,023 I felt like that, one day, I was gonna be in his shoes. 104 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:21,609 Yeah, that's every kid's dream, you know. 105 00:07:21,692 --> 00:07:25,237 Every kid's dream, wanting to play in the NBA at one time or another. 106 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:28,741 It's just a dream. 107 00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:32,953 He always knew he was gonna make it to the NBA. 108 00:07:34,413 --> 00:07:35,414 Not really. 109 00:07:37,166 --> 00:07:43,339 Scottie arrived at uca, and he started off as being the equipment manager. 110 00:07:44,048 --> 00:07:46,508 But he was practicing and doing all of those things 111 00:07:46,592 --> 00:07:48,260 that he should do with the team. 112 00:07:50,888 --> 00:07:56,518 A few guys academically fall off, so some scholarships come available, 113 00:07:56,602 --> 00:07:59,021 and I go back, asked the coach. 114 00:08:00,022 --> 00:08:03,984 I was very persistent, and he finally gave me a scholarship. 115 00:08:04,068 --> 00:08:08,030 He came in as a 6'1", 155-pound guard. 116 00:08:09,031 --> 00:08:11,492 I got to watch him play, and I thought, 117 00:08:11,575 --> 00:08:14,370 "wow, this guy's got a little something if he can fill out." 118 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:18,040 He started lifting weights. He could handle the ball better. 119 00:08:18,123 --> 00:08:20,292 He could shoot better. He could jump higher. 120 00:08:20,376 --> 00:08:23,587 I was getting better at such a rapid pace, 121 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:27,174 and in my freshman to my sophomore year, 122 00:08:27,257 --> 00:08:31,220 over the summer, I grew five inches. 123 00:08:32,221 --> 00:08:35,599 When I seen him the next time, he was 6'5", 124 00:08:35,683 --> 00:08:37,810 and then the next time I seen him, he was 67". 125 00:08:38,894 --> 00:08:40,955 Beautiful pass underneath, and what a block. 126 00:08:40,979 --> 00:08:42,659 7'o piopen, cutting fight, and draws the... 127 00:08:43,774 --> 00:08:44,858 He exploded. 128 00:08:44,942 --> 00:08:47,069 Three-on-one break. Parish to piopen. 129 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:51,615 He kept his guard skills that he had even when he grew. 130 00:08:51,699 --> 00:08:54,201 Scottie piopen underneath mcclain... 131 00:08:54,284 --> 00:08:57,746 He could grab a rebound on one end, take it the length of court, 132 00:08:57,830 --> 00:08:59,707 weave in and out of people, and dunk it. 133 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:01,417 Very few players can do that. 134 00:09:07,131 --> 00:09:08,507 I remember coach saying, 135 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:10,630 "scottie, they out there. They looking for you now." 136 00:09:15,472 --> 00:09:19,309 I was a fanatic basketball fan, and I went down and watched pippen play. 137 00:09:19,393 --> 00:09:20,978 I knew he was gonna be really good. 138 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:23,623 The first time I met him, he could hardly string three words together, 139 00:09:23,647 --> 00:09:24,732 he was so shy. 140 00:09:24,815 --> 00:09:28,610 By the time he graduated from the university of central Arkansas, 141 00:09:28,694 --> 00:09:30,487 which was an Naia team, 142 00:09:30,571 --> 00:09:32,948 he was the best player in his division in america. 143 00:09:33,031 --> 00:09:34,742 I just really got excited. 144 00:09:34,825 --> 00:09:36,803 When I saw scottie pippen play the first time, I thought, 145 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:39,246 "oh, my lord, he's gonna be a special player." 146 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:41,248 The NBA scouts saw the versatility, 147 00:09:41,331 --> 00:09:42,958 they saw the athletic ability, 148 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:44,334 they saw the humbleness. 149 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:51,300 The Seattle supersonics select Scott pippen of central Arkansas. 150 00:09:51,884 --> 00:09:55,804 Scott piopen from the university of central Arkansas. 151 00:09:55,888 --> 00:09:58,390 He's 27 years old, and... That's right, folks. 152 00:09:58,474 --> 00:10:01,268 You probably ha ve ne ver heard of scottie p/ppen. 153 00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:03,163 Scottie, one year ago, if somebody said 154 00:10:03,187 --> 00:10:04,956 you were gonna be the fifth player taken in the draft, 155 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:06,124 what would you have told them? 156 00:10:06,148 --> 00:10:08,868 I would've told them probably that they was joking, you know, really. 157 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:11,904 I would've figured it'd just been a big joke. 158 00:10:12,613 --> 00:10:14,364 Is there a deal 159 00:10:14,448 --> 00:10:17,034 involving Seattle and Chicago that you're gonna be traded? 160 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:18,744 No, I've not heard about it. 161 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:22,664 Apparently, that's... You're wearing the wrong cap. 162 00:10:22,748 --> 00:10:24,124 Yeah? 163 00:10:24,208 --> 00:10:26,210 We realized that we were gonna have to maneuver 164 00:10:26,293 --> 00:10:28,295 to get up in the draft to get a higher pick 165 00:10:28,378 --> 00:10:30,881 than we othennise would've had in order to get him, 166 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:32,564 and krause was able to pull off a trade. 167 00:10:34,301 --> 00:10:36,780 We were able to work a trade the night before the draft, 168 00:10:36,804 --> 00:10:38,806 and, technically, the Seattle club took him for us, 169 00:10:38,889 --> 00:10:41,058 and then we acquired him. 170 00:10:41,141 --> 00:10:43,227 You know, Chicago is a great franchise, 171 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:45,854 and probably every player that's sitting out in the audience 172 00:10:45,938 --> 00:10:47,731 wants to be a part of the bulls. 173 00:10:47,815 --> 00:10:50,192 The bulls brought in scottie p/ppen, 174 00:10:50,275 --> 00:10:53,278 touted to make an immediate impact in the NBA. 175 00:10:53,362 --> 00:10:54,482 All right, let's go. 176 00:10:55,072 --> 00:10:58,116 Scottie p/ppen about to make his b/g-league debut. 177 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,411 Barkley nearly kicked it a way, plays it outside, stolen by p/ppen. 178 00:11:01,495 --> 00:11:02,830 Scottie p/ppen on the breakaway. 179 00:11:03,705 --> 00:11:05,165 Scottie p/ppen made the steal, 180 00:11:05,249 --> 00:11:08,085 then jammed with both hands at the other end 181 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:09,711 Scottie talked a lot of trash. 182 00:11:10,462 --> 00:11:13,924 Scottie came in, said, "I'm gonna be better than Michael Jordan..." 183 00:11:14,758 --> 00:11:16,009 As a rookie. 184 00:11:16,093 --> 00:11:19,972 I was pretty confident in who I was as a player, 185 00:11:20,055 --> 00:11:24,643 but, as a rookie, you get treated like a rookie, 186 00:11:24,726 --> 00:11:26,019 and Charles was a bully, 187 00:11:26,103 --> 00:11:28,647 so he beat me up... For saying that. 188 00:11:29,815 --> 00:11:31,066 We are in an interview... 189 00:11:34,903 --> 00:11:37,030 - All right? All right? - Yeah. 190 00:11:37,114 --> 00:11:39,741 Okay. 191 00:11:40,409 --> 00:11:43,036 I recognized that, instantly, that, you know, 192 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,999 you're not the top guy on the basketball team anymore. 193 00:11:47,082 --> 00:11:49,102 Outside, chased the ball t/pped a way by Jordan. 194 00:11:49,126 --> 00:11:52,129 It's loose to threatt. And to Jordan for the breakaway. 195 00:11:55,966 --> 00:12:00,137 Michael was such a superstar in the game of basketball, 196 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:06,476 and he was bigger than any superstar that any sport had ever had. 197 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:09,688 So it wasn't like, you know, he was an average guy, like, 198 00:12:09,771 --> 00:12:11,982 "let's go have lunch," or whatever. 199 00:12:13,317 --> 00:12:14,359 It was different. 200 00:12:17,154 --> 00:12:22,451 Actually, my rookie year, he gave me a pair of golf clubs. 201 00:12:26,038 --> 00:12:31,043 Yeah, he was trying to lure me in so he could take all my money. 202 00:12:31,585 --> 00:12:34,129 Everybody needs that number two, 203 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:37,257 the person that does the dirty work, and pippen was great at it. 204 00:12:37,341 --> 00:12:39,760 Here come ll/lichae/ for a three again. 205 00:12:39,843 --> 00:12:43,472 Oh, scottie with the left hand/ I/I/ow/ 206 00:12:44,306 --> 00:12:45,974 but he was so low-paid, 207 00:12:46,058 --> 00:12:50,145 he was not even the 100th highest paid player in the NBA. 208 00:12:50,228 --> 00:12:53,190 Pippen is as underpaid as underpaid gets, 209 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:57,444 only the 122nd highest paid player in the league. 210 00:13:03,492 --> 00:13:04,534 I don't recall the terms, 211 00:13:04,618 --> 00:13:06,995 but I do recall that it was a longer contract 212 00:13:07,079 --> 00:13:08,538 than I thought was smart for him. 213 00:13:13,502 --> 00:13:14,503 Let's go, pippen! 214 00:13:14,586 --> 00:13:19,800 Scottie pippen signed a deal in 1991 for seven years for $18 million, 215 00:13:19,883 --> 00:13:21,468 and if he played it right, 216 00:13:21,551 --> 00:13:25,514 he could've made nine times that amount, ten times. 217 00:13:25,597 --> 00:13:28,392 I said to scottie the same thing I'd said to Michael. 218 00:13:28,475 --> 00:13:30,275 "If I were you, I wouldn't sign this contract. 219 00:13:30,352 --> 00:13:31,979 You may be selling yourself too short. 220 00:13:32,062 --> 00:13:34,502 It's too long a contract that you're locking yourself in for." 221 00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:40,362 I felt like I couldn't afford to gamble myself getting injured 222 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:42,614 and not being able to provide. 223 00:13:42,698 --> 00:13:49,246 I needed to make sure that people in my corner were taken care of. 224 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:54,292 He did take care of my dad, my mom, and he built them a house. 225 00:13:54,376 --> 00:13:56,586 He sent them money every month and everything, 226 00:13:56,670 --> 00:13:57,990 made sure they're taking care of. 227 00:13:58,964 --> 00:14:02,175 I don't know nothing that I need or want. 228 00:14:02,259 --> 00:14:04,803 Some of the things I don't have to ask him for. 229 00:14:06,388 --> 00:14:08,557 So I feel like he loves me. 230 00:14:09,641 --> 00:14:11,351 I know I love him. 231 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:19,317 He signed a long-term deal, and it was undervalued pretty quickly. 232 00:14:19,401 --> 00:14:20,944 The league took off. 233 00:14:21,028 --> 00:14:24,698 You know, the revenues went way, way up. Salaries went up. 234 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:30,954 Jerry reinsdorf was emphatic about it when guys signed the contract. 235 00:14:31,038 --> 00:14:34,666 I don't want to hear from you again. Don't come back and try to renegotiate. 236 00:14:36,126 --> 00:14:37,294 It was embarrassing 237 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:41,006 because he was maybe the number-two player in the NBA. 238 00:14:41,089 --> 00:14:43,341 His value was immense. 239 00:14:44,092 --> 00:14:45,932 Make it drop straight down. There you go. 240 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,180 You know what? 241 00:14:48,263 --> 00:14:49,264 It's okay on this one, 242 00:14:49,347 --> 00:14:51,933 but on my other one, my patella, not so much. 243 00:14:52,017 --> 00:14:54,394 When we got to '97 and '98, 244 00:14:54,478 --> 00:14:57,522 that was the last year of scottie's contract. 245 00:14:57,606 --> 00:15:01,485 I know he was very frustrated because scottie needed to get paid. 246 00:15:01,568 --> 00:15:03,028 He deserved to get paid. 247 00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:07,908 There was a lot of, uh, anger from scottie. 248 00:15:07,991 --> 00:15:10,151 You know, he'd been one of the best players in the game 249 00:15:10,202 --> 00:15:11,620 for many years. 250 00:15:11,703 --> 00:15:17,042 He had done so much for the bulls, so his frustration bubbled over. 251 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,419 The world champs making news this week. 252 00:15:19,503 --> 00:15:22,380 Scottie pippen of the bulls will be out for two to three months. 253 00:15:22,464 --> 00:15:25,592 Pippen unden/vent surgery Monday on his sore foot in New York. 254 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:27,275 It's an injury that's been bothering him, 255 00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:29,638 dating back to the eastern conference finals. 256 00:15:29,721 --> 00:15:33,141 I had a ruptured tendon in my ankle, 257 00:15:33,225 --> 00:15:39,064 and I decided to have surgery late because I was like, 258 00:15:39,147 --> 00:15:40,148 "you know what? 259 00:15:40,232 --> 00:15:46,321 I'm not gonna fuck my summer up trying to rehab for a season, you know? 260 00:15:46,404 --> 00:15:49,658 They're not gonna be looking forward to having me, 261 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:54,454 so I'ma enjoy my summer, and I'll use the season to prepare." 262 00:15:54,538 --> 00:15:57,124 Scottie was wrong in that scenario. 263 00:15:57,207 --> 00:16:00,210 He could've got his surgery done as soon as the season was over 264 00:16:00,293 --> 00:16:01,837 and be ready for the season. 265 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,338 What scottie was trying to do 266 00:16:03,421 --> 00:16:08,009 was trying to force management to change his contract... 267 00:16:09,344 --> 00:16:10,804 And Jerry wasn't gonna do that. 268 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:16,226 So now I got to start the season 269 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:18,645 knowing that scottie wasn't gonna be around. 270 00:16:19,354 --> 00:16:21,773 But we have to find a way to win. 271 00:16:22,566 --> 00:16:25,485 How do you carry this team now in November and December without scottie? 272 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:27,880 I think we have to do it collectively. 273 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:29,841 I don't think one individual's gonna be able to do it. 274 00:16:29,865 --> 00:16:33,285 You know, I think we as a team... that's what a team is all about, you know? 275 00:16:33,368 --> 00:16:35,495 So we have to cover up for scottie not being here. 276 00:16:35,579 --> 00:16:38,081 We know he's not here, but that don't mean we stop playing. 277 00:16:38,707 --> 00:16:40,852 Our Chicago Bulls without scottie p/ppen, 278 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,086 and they apparently missed him ton/ght. 279 00:16:44,588 --> 00:16:48,508 The Atlanta hawks beat the bulls here in Atlanta. 280 00:16:48,592 --> 00:16:50,302 The final score, 80-78. 281 00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:54,723 This is going to be the worst setback for the Chicago Bulls. 282 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:58,185 Cavaliers beat up the Chicago Bulls, and you can... 283 00:16:58,268 --> 00:16:59,787 Again, it is still early, 284 00:16:59,811 --> 00:17:01,771 but four in four for the bulls out of the gate. 285 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:04,065 Have not scored 700 points yet this season. 286 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,865 We're not playing with much continuity and much rhythm, 287 00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:14,659 and that's something that scottie really provides for us. 288 00:17:14,743 --> 00:17:18,163 Scottie was so key for our team. He tied us together in many ways. 289 00:17:18,914 --> 00:17:22,918 And when you're a really good team, one loss feels like five. 290 00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:26,963 You know, you're expected to win. You're supposed to win. 291 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:30,300 And so, early in that season, we were losing games, 292 00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,385 and it felt like trouble. 293 00:17:32,469 --> 00:17:35,096 As time expires, 294 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:37,474 and the Phoenix suns 295 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:42,520 have hung on for a dramatic victory over the Chicago Bulls. 296 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:51,404 Yes. 297 00:17:56,826 --> 00:17:58,578 No, I wasn't. 298 00:17:58,662 --> 00:18:02,290 You have to understand players' mentality and where they're coming from, 299 00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:05,210 and some guys can handle it, some guys can't. 300 00:18:05,293 --> 00:18:08,588 And, you know, scottie probably needed to have this 301 00:18:08,672 --> 00:18:11,341 to feel like he justified what his salary was. 302 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,176 So I stayed solid, said, 303 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:16,763 "we're gonna survive this. We'll be fine. We'll go fonnard." 304 00:18:16,846 --> 00:18:20,267 That's one of the things that Phil was really good at, 305 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:21,893 is managing distractions 306 00:18:21,977 --> 00:18:23,979 and keeping us focused on what we had to do. 307 00:18:24,062 --> 00:18:25,855 Scottie's on a different timetable. 308 00:18:25,939 --> 00:18:27,416 It's gonna be a bumpy road till he gets back, 309 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,776 but we got to manage without him for right now. 310 00:18:30,485 --> 00:18:34,781 When it came down to it, this burden always fell on Michael, 311 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,866 and he welcomed it in a lot of respects. 312 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:39,911 You know, he liked that. He liked to take the responsibility. 313 00:18:39,995 --> 00:18:44,332 I'm gearing myself physically to deal with whatever I have to deal with. 314 00:18:44,416 --> 00:18:45,856 I'm looking fonnard to it, actually. 315 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:50,714 Michael wanted to be the best player on the best team. 316 00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:55,427 Scottie's not here, but we're still better than this. 317 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:58,430 I was trying to get the guys to understand it from my standpoint. 318 00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:04,144 Scottie was out. My voice had to be the loudest. 319 00:19:06,271 --> 00:19:09,149 I let my anger motivate the players by saying, 320 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:11,735 "I want this. Do you guys want it?" 321 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,452 He's raising his voice. He's calling guys out. 322 00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:17,991 "You got to rebound better. Box out. We're not playing well as a team. 323 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:19,701 Defensively, we're lazy." 324 00:19:28,752 --> 00:19:30,354 He's not worried about hurting your feelings. 325 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:31,772 If he hurts your feelings, you can leave. 326 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:32,964 He would gladly tell you, 327 00:19:33,048 --> 00:19:35,888 "get out. We don't need you here. You don't want to play hard, get out." 328 00:19:49,022 --> 00:19:51,066 Every day that scottie wasn't playing 329 00:19:51,149 --> 00:19:53,318 gave someone else confidence that they can beat us. 330 00:19:55,278 --> 00:19:57,947 And if you're trying to maintain dominance over people, 331 00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,784 you don't want to give them a chance to gain confidence. 332 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:06,081 So that drove my energy. Let's get this thing rolling. 333 00:20:10,043 --> 00:20:11,044 What time is it? 334 00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,379 Game time! Whoo! 335 00:20:13,421 --> 00:20:15,423 This bull team fired up ton/ght. 336 00:20:15,507 --> 00:20:19,552 Really wants to get off this 0-4 start on the road. 337 00:20:19,636 --> 00:20:22,013 Embarrassing for such a good team. 338 00:20:22,097 --> 00:20:23,824 The bulls in their road blacks. 339 00:20:23,848 --> 00:20:25,225 The cl/ppers in home whites. 340 00:20:25,308 --> 00:20:30,647 They play the clippers, who were a joke, worst team in the league. 341 00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:35,485 Yet the dregs in the league took the bulls to two overtimes. 342 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:39,072 Jordan kept waiting for somebody else to help him. 343 00:20:39,155 --> 00:20:40,657 Nobody else would help. 344 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:45,912 For that game, he went somewhere, and he found a switch. 345 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:48,391 And the answer to the question, 346 00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:50,834 โ€is Michael Jordan tired? โ€ is no. 347 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:55,463 Jordan had to score 49 for them to win that game. 348 00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:57,775 No question. We saw greatness here ton/ght. 349 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:01,052 The bulls win for the first time on the road, 777 to 702. 350 00:21:01,136 --> 00:21:03,721 Jordan finishes with a mere 49 points. 351 00:21:04,556 --> 00:21:06,433 We've had opportunities to win, you know, 352 00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:09,310 in all the games on the road except for Cleveland, 353 00:21:09,394 --> 00:21:12,730 and, hopefully, we can build upon this, we can finish games on the road. 354 00:21:12,814 --> 00:21:16,317 We've been in those games, and we really needed a win like this. 355 00:21:16,401 --> 00:21:20,530 Jordan was really worn out. Worn out physically, worn out emotionally. 356 00:21:21,239 --> 00:21:22,407 Good job, bro. 357 00:21:29,706 --> 00:21:31,350 Anyway, Michael, I hope you like the story. 358 00:21:31,374 --> 00:21:32,414 - Thank you. - Hi, Michael. 359 00:21:32,459 --> 00:21:33,585 Clarence, what's up, man? 360 00:21:33,668 --> 00:21:36,004 Come on, now. 361 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:39,966 My innate personality is to win at all costs. 362 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:42,177 If I have to do it myself, I'm gonna do it. 363 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:45,138 Let's go. 364 00:21:45,221 --> 00:21:46,639 - Mj. - Michael. 365 00:21:46,723 --> 00:21:49,058 Every time I step on that basketball court, 366 00:21:49,142 --> 00:21:51,227 my focus is to win the game. 367 00:21:56,316 --> 00:21:58,443 It drives me insane when I can't. 368 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:05,509 As you get older, you look back, 369 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:09,078 and you understand how you became the person you are. 370 00:22:09,162 --> 00:22:10,997 I don't think I would be here 371 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,917 without the lessons that I learned at a very young age. 372 00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:18,296 That competitiveness within me started when I was a kid. 373 00:22:39,067 --> 00:22:40,902 You know, my parents provided us 374 00:22:40,985 --> 00:22:44,197 with all the opportunities to succeed in life. 375 00:22:44,739 --> 00:22:47,242 You know, my father worked at general electric, 376 00:22:47,325 --> 00:22:48,785 my mother worked at the banks. 377 00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:52,914 As a black person growing up in Wilmington, 378 00:22:52,997 --> 00:22:56,501 we were trying to make our own footsteps. 379 00:22:56,584 --> 00:22:58,545 As a family, we were naturally tough. 380 00:22:58,628 --> 00:23:00,922 My father was tough, my mom was tough, 381 00:23:01,005 --> 00:23:04,133 and the environment they brought us in was a tough environment. 382 00:23:04,926 --> 00:23:07,095 You get knocked down, you got to get up 383 00:23:07,178 --> 00:23:10,765 and you always give it your best and you always try to win. 384 00:23:10,848 --> 00:23:12,976 We hated to lose. 385 00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:16,729 Mr. Jordan and myself always tried to share with them, 386 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:19,190 "don't wait for somebody to give you something. 387 00:23:19,274 --> 00:23:22,527 You're strong. You're intelligent. Go out and earn it and work for it." 388 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:25,947 We had five kids, and both the wife and I both worked, 389 00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:29,909 and we would worry at times about the kids being home, 390 00:23:29,993 --> 00:23:33,413 so we thought one of the things that we can do is get them involved in sports. 391 00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:35,707 Drop them off at the little league field or the gym 392 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:37,542 and keep them involved in the community. 393 00:23:39,794 --> 00:23:41,674 My parents were trying to keep my busy. 394 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:46,801 They always wanted all of us to play organized sports 395 00:23:46,884 --> 00:23:49,137 so that we learned more about life. 396 00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:53,391 At the time, you had racism all over north Carolina, 397 00:23:53,474 --> 00:23:55,435 all over, you know, United States, 398 00:23:55,518 --> 00:23:57,729 and there was a lot of it around there. 399 00:23:57,812 --> 00:23:59,814 So, as a kid, it was like, 400 00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:02,317 "okay, this is where I don't want to be." 401 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,044 You know, "I want to excel outside of this." 402 00:24:04,068 --> 00:24:08,281 You know, so my motivation was to be something outside of Wilmington. 403 00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:11,701 For me, it became athletics. 404 00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:15,788 We used to compete an awful lot in the backyard. 405 00:24:15,872 --> 00:24:20,960 My brothers hated losing, but not on the same level like me, 406 00:24:21,044 --> 00:24:24,297 because if you beat me back then, we had to fight, 407 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:26,549 you know, and that's just the way I was. 408 00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:28,801 They were so competitive between the two of them, 409 00:24:28,885 --> 00:24:31,262 uh, matter of fact, at that time, 410 00:24:31,346 --> 00:24:34,557 it might be said that Larry was the best basketball player. 411 00:24:34,641 --> 00:24:38,311 My father pushed... he pushed everybody, and he had a tendency, 412 00:24:38,394 --> 00:24:41,856 if he felt you weren't doing the best you could, 413 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:44,192 he would find a way to push you harder. 414 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:45,860 And that really drove Michael, 415 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:47,945 because Larry was pretty good at quite a bit. 416 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,324 I don't think, from a competitive standpoint, 417 00:24:51,407 --> 00:24:55,036 I would be here without the confrontations with my brother. 418 00:24:56,037 --> 00:24:58,748 When you come to blows with someone you absolutely love, 419 00:24:59,540 --> 00:25:02,043 that's igniting every fire within you... 420 00:25:03,294 --> 00:25:06,589 And I always felt like I was fighting Larry for my father's attention. 421 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,318 I'm one of these do-it-yourselfers around the house, 422 00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:10,802 so I could take Larry out, 423 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:13,513 and he was fascinated by fixing things with his hands, 424 00:25:13,596 --> 00:25:15,807 took a look of pride in it, and Michael would be out, 425 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:17,576 and you'd say, "give me a Phillips screwdriver," 426 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560 he might give you a pair of pliers, you know? 427 00:25:19,644 --> 00:25:21,455 And I guess I was a little short-patient with him, 428 00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:23,332 and I'd say, "get back in the house with your mom. 429 00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:26,859 Boy, you're never gonna be anything. Just go back with your mom." 430 00:25:26,943 --> 00:25:29,404 When you're going through it, it's traumatic, you know, 431 00:25:29,487 --> 00:25:33,032 because I want that... you know, I want that approval. 432 00:25:33,116 --> 00:25:34,575 I want that type of confidence. 433 00:25:34,659 --> 00:25:37,286 So my determination got even greater 434 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:41,249 to be as good, if not better, than my brother. 435 00:25:50,466 --> 00:25:52,719 I met him in tryouts, 436 00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:55,888 but there was nothing particularly outstanding in tryouts. 437 00:25:55,972 --> 00:25:59,892 He did not make the varsity team as a sophomore. 438 00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:02,854 When I got home, and I told my mother I was cut, 439 00:26:02,937 --> 00:26:05,857 I was demoralized. I didn't want to play any more sports. 440 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,151 I felt like, you know, the coach didn't like me. 441 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:12,280 He was devastated. He came home upset, crying, 442 00:26:12,363 --> 00:26:13,614 and we both cried, 443 00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,451 'cause I knew he wanted to really compete with the other guys. 444 00:26:16,534 --> 00:26:18,786 My words to him was, 445 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:22,248 "if you really want it, you work hard over the summer." 446 00:26:22,957 --> 00:26:25,293 And he did. That summer, he focused. 447 00:26:25,376 --> 00:26:29,505 He would practice all day. That basketball never left his hand. 448 00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:31,424 If you want to bring out the best in Michael, 449 00:26:31,507 --> 00:26:34,677 tell him he can't do something or he can't do it as good as somebody else, 450 00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:38,556 and I think that he takes it as a personal challenge 451 00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:40,725 to go out and do it just to prove you wrong. 452 00:26:41,809 --> 00:26:46,230 Mike's improvement from his sophomore year to his junior year was tremendous. 453 00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:48,733 A lot of it had to do with his size. 454 00:26:48,816 --> 00:26:53,029 He was about 5'10" or 5'11". He came back about 6'3" that fall. 455 00:26:53,654 --> 00:26:55,758 He had great guard skills. He'd already played guard, 456 00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,533 he always held on the ball, 457 00:26:57,617 --> 00:27:00,411 and now becoming, you know, 6'3 ", 6'4", 458 00:27:00,495 --> 00:27:02,747 that just made him into a much better ballplayer. 459 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:07,043 We knew that he was special. 460 00:27:08,544 --> 00:27:11,172 The athletic director of Hanover county schools called us 461 00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:14,467 and said, "we got a guy down here I think may have a chance," 462 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:16,427 and that was Mike Jordan. 463 00:27:17,261 --> 00:27:20,765 And so we invited him to our basketball camp. 464 00:27:21,432 --> 00:27:25,353 When he got here, we knew of him. We'd heard he was pretty good. 465 00:27:26,103 --> 00:27:27,331 Five days later, when we left here, 466 00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:29,115 we thought he was the best player in america. 467 00:27:56,217 --> 00:27:57,820 It was the third game of the season. 468 00:27:57,844 --> 00:27:58,845 It was my second season. 469 00:27:59,637 --> 00:28:03,099 We were playing golden state. I go up for a lob... 470 00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:04,868 Bulls on the run. 7'o Michael Jordan. 471 00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:08,020 And when I landed, I landed flat-footed. 472 00:28:08,104 --> 00:28:10,648 Looks like Michael came out limping a little bit. 473 00:28:10,731 --> 00:28:14,235 He's a little ginger on that ankle, and he had hurt it a little earlier. 474 00:28:15,069 --> 00:28:17,280 When they did the cat scan, 475 00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:21,409 it was a clear break, and I was done. 476 00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:24,287 Last year's rookie of the year, Michael Jordan, 477 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:25,830 out with a broken left foot. 478 00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:31,085 I was devastated because I never got hurt 479 00:28:31,168 --> 00:28:33,588 and I'm in a cast, I couldn't do anything, 480 00:28:33,671 --> 00:28:34,881 and I was anxious. 481 00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:37,967 I'm pretty sure I was irritable to a lot of people. 482 00:28:38,801 --> 00:28:42,680 He broke this bone right in the middle. 483 00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:47,518 It's an area of the body that may not heal very rapidly 484 00:28:47,602 --> 00:28:49,186 because of the poor blood supply. 485 00:28:50,605 --> 00:28:54,567 The healing time can vary from six weeks, 12 weeks, or even longer, 486 00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:57,153 and, occasionally, that fracture does not heal. 487 00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:01,866 Michael had never missed a game through high school, college, 488 00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:04,035 and the NBA so far. 489 00:29:04,118 --> 00:29:06,329 All of a sudden, he misses 64. 490 00:29:07,038 --> 00:29:09,916 I'm doing nothing, watching games, sitting on the bench. 491 00:29:10,708 --> 00:29:12,960 My mother and my father came up and spent a lot of time. 492 00:29:14,003 --> 00:29:16,380 You could not keep him on that bench. 493 00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:20,635 Mr. Jordan, myself, is saying, "Michael, you're not ready," 494 00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:22,438 and he said, "I don't think you can tell me. 495 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:24,347 I know when my body's ready." 496 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,030 "But the doctor knows when you're ready." 497 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:29,310 I was itching to do something. 498 00:29:31,228 --> 00:29:35,191 So I talked the bulls into letting me go back to college. 499 00:29:36,651 --> 00:29:39,487 I just started going to the gym, shoofing, 500 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:43,324 and then I started playing one-on-one, then I started playing two-on-two, 501 00:29:43,407 --> 00:29:44,951 then I started playing three-on-three. 502 00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:46,887 Next thing you know, I was playing five-on-five, 503 00:29:46,911 --> 00:29:48,579 and the bulls never knew I was doing it. 504 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:52,792 And when I got back with the bulls... 505 00:29:54,919 --> 00:30:01,050 My calf muscles and my injured calf was stronger than my uninjured calf. 506 00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:02,194 So the first thing they said, 507 00:30:02,218 --> 00:30:04,845 "what in the hell have you been doing? Blah, blah, blah." 508 00:30:04,929 --> 00:30:07,723 No, we don't really know he was playing till he came back and told us. 509 00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,201 No, when Michael came back, he said, 510 00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,244 "I've been playing an hour and a half a day for the last week." 511 00:30:11,268 --> 00:30:13,354 And after my heart dropped out, 512 00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:15,523 you know, I just dropped down and, "oh, my god." 513 00:30:15,606 --> 00:30:17,566 I gradually worked my way up to a point 514 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:20,027 where I'm playing five-on-five in a game, 515 00:30:20,111 --> 00:30:22,989 and I got the confidence that the foot is completely healed, 516 00:30:23,072 --> 00:30:24,490 and I can play on it. 517 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:26,617 Michael asked, "well, if I play, 518 00:30:26,701 --> 00:30:29,370 what percentage is there that I'm gonna get hurt again?" 519 00:30:29,954 --> 00:30:31,789 Doctor said, "eh, 10%." 520 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:33,290 And I just lost it. 521 00:30:33,374 --> 00:30:37,420 I said, "look, it's 10% chance, but it's 90% chance that I won't." 522 00:30:37,503 --> 00:30:42,425 And then I chimed in to the doctors, "what happens if the 10% kicks in?" 523 00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:44,802 And they said, "well, then his career would be over." 524 00:30:44,885 --> 00:30:47,304 Well, everybody's just thinking about the negative. 525 00:30:47,388 --> 00:30:51,142 While I think the glass is half full, everybody's thinking it's half empty. 526 00:30:51,225 --> 00:30:52,643 So I said to Michael, 527 00:30:52,727 --> 00:30:55,896 "you're not understanding the risk-reward ratio. 528 00:30:55,980 --> 00:31:00,484 If you had a terrible headache and I gave you a bottle of pills 529 00:31:00,568 --> 00:31:04,280 and nine of the pills would cure you and one of the pills would kill you, 530 00:31:05,114 --> 00:31:06,490 would you take a pill?" 531 00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:10,453 And I look at him. I said, "depends on how fucking bad the headache is." 532 00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:15,374 From Jerry reinsdorf's perspective, a pure business decision, 533 00:31:15,458 --> 00:31:16,667 you don't play the guy. 534 00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:20,087 Here's your franchise, literally your franchise. 535 00:31:20,171 --> 00:31:24,008 In my mind, he should not risk coming back, 536 00:31:24,091 --> 00:31:26,135 because we weren't gonna win a championship anyway. 537 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:29,430 Why even take a 10% risk that your career's gonna be over? 538 00:31:29,513 --> 00:31:30,615 Well, he didn't see it that way. 539 00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:32,349 And I'm starting to think, 540 00:31:32,433 --> 00:31:36,645 "well, maybe it's not me playing as opposed to us trying to lose games 541 00:31:36,729 --> 00:31:38,647 so we can move, you know, into the lottery." 542 00:31:42,318 --> 00:31:44,737 I hope not. I mean, that just shows a losing attitude 543 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:48,491 and not just on the team but in the front office, also. 544 00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:50,409 Uh, we should always go out and try to win. 545 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:52,745 Exasperated bulls owner Jerry reinsdorf 546 00:31:52,828 --> 00:31:54,747 finally agreed to a compromise, 547 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:56,058 which would allow his star to play 548 00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:58,709 a specified number of minutes in each game. 549 00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:01,879 We reached a compromise, and we allowed him to come back and play... 550 00:32:01,962 --> 00:32:03,522 I think it was seven minutes each half. 551 00:32:03,547 --> 00:32:05,049 So they let me go back and play, 552 00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:07,384 and then, you know, they put a time restriction on me. 553 00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,406 Jordan with ten points in limited playing time. 554 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:14,308 They had him on seven-minute-per-half time limit 555 00:32:14,391 --> 00:32:15,643 with a stopwatch. 556 00:32:16,352 --> 00:32:17,978 Jordan. 557 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:21,524 That's house for Michael 558 00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:25,444 he could be almost in mid-shot, it's like, tweet... 559 00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:28,924 "All right, Jordan, you're out." 560 00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:30,783 Michael Jordan sat down. 561 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:35,579 He doesn't seem too happy to sit down. He's fired up and ready to go. 562 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,748 They're gonna have to hold him back. 563 00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:41,311 What was the rationale for seven minutes per half? 564 00:32:41,335 --> 00:32:45,339 Well, we felt that the doctors had said a certain amount of time. 565 00:32:45,422 --> 00:32:48,717 We felt we were gonna try to make the odds right 566 00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:51,095 in a situation where we would reduce the odds. 567 00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:53,889 At the time, the coach was Stan albeck. 568 00:32:55,057 --> 00:32:57,351 So I said, "Stan, fuck these guys, man. 569 00:32:58,060 --> 00:33:01,105 Give me the most important seven minutes that you can think about." 570 00:33:02,273 --> 00:33:03,691 So now we start winning, 571 00:33:03,774 --> 00:33:05,985 and we start getting into the playoff picture. 572 00:33:07,611 --> 00:33:09,196 We get to a pivotal game. 573 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,575 We go and play Indiana in Indiana. 574 00:33:13,284 --> 00:33:16,328 We need this game because it puts us in a position to make the playoffs. 575 00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:19,123 Stan got berated, saying, 576 00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:22,918 "if you put him in one second more than 14 minutes, 577 00:33:23,002 --> 00:33:24,336 you're fired on the spot." 578 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:26,422 Jordan around and oakley screen. 579 00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:28,090 Lean in... less baseline, is in. 580 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:32,052 For 14 minutes, I just go absolutely ballistic, 581 00:33:32,136 --> 00:33:34,805 and we were in a position to win. 582 00:33:34,889 --> 00:33:36,223 In for the left. 583 00:33:36,307 --> 00:33:39,602 Michael pops three, 78-footer, good bulls have the lead 584 00:33:39,685 --> 00:33:43,230 outside, Richardson, right side, Fleming, 20-footer good 585 00:33:44,106 --> 00:33:46,275 Thirty-one seconds left. 586 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:48,402 The bulls take time. Down one. 587 00:33:48,944 --> 00:33:51,322 All of a sudden, my time is up. 588 00:33:51,405 --> 00:33:53,866 I don't know if Jerry came down from the stands to say, 589 00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:56,509 "hey, get him out of the game," and there's like 30 seconds left. 590 00:33:56,869 --> 00:34:00,915 Thirty-one seconds to go. Michael's time is up... 591 00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:03,459 I'm just, like... I'm angry. 592 00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:06,629 Current lead what a sensational performance. 593 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,589 Michael saw it for what it was. 594 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:12,176 You play the game to win, period. 595 00:34:13,093 --> 00:34:15,012 So I don't want to hear about your draft pick, 596 00:34:15,095 --> 00:34:17,306 I don't want to hear about missing the playoffs 597 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:19,099 and how good that would be. 598 00:34:19,183 --> 00:34:20,559 That's not how you play the game. 599 00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:24,146 I'm begging Stan. "Put me in the game. Come on. 600 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:27,566 Four... it's only 14 fucking seconds, Stan, 13 seconds. 601 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:29,276 Put me in for 13 seconds." 602 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,779 He said, "mj, I can't put you in. I'ma lose my job." 603 00:34:31,862 --> 00:34:34,907 It fueled a whole theory that, 604 00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:38,160 are we trying to not make the playoffs so we can get a better draft pick? 605 00:34:38,244 --> 00:34:40,788 But I've vowed to make the playoff every year, 606 00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:43,499 and this is a chance for us to make the playoffs. 607 00:34:45,626 --> 00:34:48,545 It's our ball. There's 13 seconds left. 608 00:34:51,173 --> 00:34:54,802 Lo and behold, John paxson hits a game-winning shot. 609 00:34:54,885 --> 00:34:57,096 Pax comes down with a jumping one-hander. 610 00:34:57,179 --> 00:34:59,723 Fortunately, I get lucky and throw some shot in, 611 00:34:59,807 --> 00:35:01,047 and we end up winning the game. 612 00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:03,442 Chicago Bulls! The bulls win it/ 613 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,688 the bulls hang on and win by one/ 614 00:35:05,771 --> 00:35:08,899 I/I/hoo/ what a b/g victory by the bulls. 615 00:35:09,566 --> 00:35:12,152 We went into the locker room. 616 00:35:12,236 --> 00:35:14,238 Stan locked that door, 617 00:35:14,321 --> 00:35:17,157 and Jerry krause came, wanting to get in at the end of the game, 618 00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:18,867 and Stan wouldn't let him in. 619 00:35:18,951 --> 00:35:21,370 You know, it was... it was... 620 00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:24,915 It wasn't a good... It wasn't a good situation. 621 00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:29,169 The mistrust Michael had with management, 622 00:35:29,253 --> 00:35:30,713 specifically with Jerry krause, 623 00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:36,885 was he believed that they violated the most fundamental aspect of sport, 624 00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:39,555 of... I would argue, the most fundamental aspect 625 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:41,682 of the way Michael conducted his life. 626 00:35:41,765 --> 00:35:45,602 You do it at the highest level, and you do it to win all the time. 627 00:35:46,854 --> 00:35:48,647 From that moment on, 628 00:35:48,731 --> 00:35:52,026 Michael's relationship with the ownership and management 629 00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:54,778 was deeply soured. 630 00:35:54,862 --> 00:35:56,155 That never went away. 631 00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:01,410 No one could limit the power and the glory of Michael Jordan. 632 00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:04,788 The bulls made a late-season rush into a playoff berth, 633 00:36:04,872 --> 00:36:06,623 which, ironically, cost them a chance 634 00:36:06,707 --> 00:36:09,710 at one of the first seven choices in next year's draft. 635 00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:11,128 We end up making the playoffs. 636 00:36:11,211 --> 00:36:13,648 I believe we won only 30 games in the regular season that year. 637 00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:15,049 We ended up the eighth seed. 638 00:36:15,132 --> 00:36:20,387 Jordan essentially wills his team with a losing record into the playoffs, 639 00:36:20,471 --> 00:36:22,181 and what is their reward? 640 00:36:22,264 --> 00:36:25,726 Well, they get to play the almighty Boston celtics 641 00:36:25,809 --> 00:36:28,145 with five guys who'd make the hall of fame. 642 00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:34,026 We had parish, mchale, and walton. 643 00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:39,239 All of them were about seven foot tall, that could score, run, defend. 644 00:36:39,323 --> 00:36:42,826 We had Danny ainge and Dennis Johnson, our guards, and I was the small fon/vard. 645 00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:47,414 So we had a big team, and we were deep, we were big, 646 00:36:47,498 --> 00:36:48,858 and of all the teams I've been on, 647 00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:50,596 there's no question that was the best team. 648 00:36:50,626 --> 00:36:54,338 That setting against that team, that's what you play for. 649 00:36:54,421 --> 00:36:55,940 You know, you get to be in those situations. 650 00:36:55,964 --> 00:36:58,175 The celtics have won 37 in a row at home. 651 00:36:58,258 --> 00:37:01,804 They beat Chicago six times this year in the regular season. 652 00:37:02,304 --> 00:37:05,557 Michael had this just supreme confidence about him. 653 00:37:05,641 --> 00:37:07,059 He loved the big stage. 654 00:37:07,142 --> 00:37:08,661 This is the opportunity to play 655 00:37:08,685 --> 00:37:10,354 against Larry bird and the Boston celtics. 656 00:37:10,437 --> 00:37:12,272 Man, this is showtime. 657 00:37:12,356 --> 00:37:14,775 Well, Michael was coming off a pretty serious injury, 658 00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:16,318 and we didn't know what to expect. 659 00:37:16,402 --> 00:37:17,611 Michael Jordan is back, 660 00:37:17,694 --> 00:37:19,414 and there are no limits to his playing time, 661 00:37:19,446 --> 00:37:21,198 so he's really ready to cut loose. 662 00:37:21,281 --> 00:37:23,760 And we 're about ready to go at the Boston garden. 663 00:37:23,784 --> 00:37:28,664 They took all the limitations off, and it was like unleashing a wild dog. 664 00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,542 Jordan hangs in the air, puts it down. 665 00:37:32,376 --> 00:37:34,378 Jordan got it from the baseline. 666 00:37:35,003 --> 00:37:37,589 Jordan changed it in midair, got it nonetheless. 667 00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:41,510 Our whole thing was just do what we can do to hold Michael down, 668 00:37:41,593 --> 00:37:43,637 but you don't hold the great ones down. 669 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,057 Michael Jordan wheels, fades, off-balance. 670 00:37:47,141 --> 00:37:49,184 Oh/ absolutely amazing. 671 00:37:49,852 --> 00:37:52,146 Jordan beat Dennis. Ugh. 672 00:37:52,229 --> 00:37:55,149 Car/isle has the unen viable task of playing Jordan. 673 00:37:56,191 --> 00:37:57,693 Isn't that something 7 674 00:37:58,318 --> 00:38:02,114 lmean, car/isle just wants his mommy. 675 00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:06,076 Jordan with great antic/pation. He's off to the races. 676 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,578 Watch this. I/I/hoo-hoo/ 677 00:38:08,745 --> 00:38:11,457 we had a lot of guys in our league that could score a lot of points. 678 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:14,543 He took it to another level and we stuck with the game plan 679 00:38:14,626 --> 00:38:16,086 and we end up winning the ball game. 680 00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:19,173 /I/cha/e, bird, parish, and a foul. 681 00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:21,884 There's the celtics. 682 00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:26,948 Who do you have for the player of the game, John? 683 00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,033 Pretty hard to ignore Michael Jordan tonight. 684 00:38:29,057 --> 00:38:30,617 We chose him as our player of the game. 685 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,895 Forty-nine points, four rebounds... 686 00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:35,522 A spectacular individual effort by this guy. 687 00:38:35,606 --> 00:38:37,733 Tough job for the Chicago team now 688 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:40,235 and for Stan albeck trying to get them ready for game 2. 689 00:38:40,319 --> 00:38:41,820 They played so hard here tonight. 690 00:38:41,904 --> 00:38:43,071 I remember game 2. 691 00:38:43,155 --> 00:38:45,741 I'd played golf with Michael the day before. 692 00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:51,455 It was Michael, Danny, Mike Carey, and myself, 693 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:54,458 and Michael and Danny are giving it to each other back and forth. 694 00:38:58,921 --> 00:39:00,422 Mm-hmm. 695 00:39:02,633 --> 00:39:06,094 I cannot hit it today. 696 00:39:07,054 --> 00:39:09,431 I took a few bucks off of Michael that day, 697 00:39:09,515 --> 00:39:11,099 and we're talking trash to each other. 698 00:39:11,183 --> 00:39:13,018 That might've been a mistake. 699 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:16,480 Hit it out. 700 00:39:19,191 --> 00:39:20,817 Pissing me off, man. 701 00:39:20,901 --> 00:39:24,905 We get done, we get in the car, we drop Danny off first, 702 00:39:24,988 --> 00:39:29,368 and Michael says, "hey, tell your boy dj I got something for him tomorrow." 703 00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:37,459 The first game, the guy scored 49, but I don't think anyone expected, 704 00:39:37,543 --> 00:39:39,461 going into the next game, what was gonna happen. 705 00:39:39,545 --> 00:39:43,757 J " ahh/ j" 706 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,552 jโ€œ no rapper can rap quite like / can jโ€œ 707 00:39:46,635 --> 00:39:49,072 jโ€œ I'i/ take a muscle-bound man and put his face in the sand jโ€œ 708 00:39:49,096 --> 00:39:52,182 jโ€œ not the last ll/lafioso I'm an emcee cop jโ€œ 709 00:39:52,266 --> 00:39:55,352 jโ€œ make you say, โ€go, ll โ€ and do the wop... jโ€œ 710 00:39:55,435 --> 00:39:57,521 He was scoring at will... Dunks, bankers. 711 00:39:57,604 --> 00:39:59,398 He'd get in the middle and shoot over guys. 712 00:39:59,481 --> 00:40:02,609 Jโ€œ yeah, trendsetter, I'm better my rhymes are good jโ€œ 713 00:40:02,693 --> 00:40:05,862 jโ€œ / got a gourmet plate that says, โ€/ wish you would... โ€jโ€œ 714 00:40:05,946 --> 00:40:09,491 I played practically every minute in the second game. I just never stopped. 715 00:40:09,575 --> 00:40:13,245 Bird guards Jordan, and Jordan hits the jumper anyway. 716 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:16,540 Stan albeck kept putting me in isolated situations, 717 00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:18,917 and I just took advantage of my youth and my energy. 718 00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:21,481 Jordan trying to use his quickness, and it works. 719 00:40:21,545 --> 00:40:24,548 Jordan with 37. Bull 's-e ye. 720 00:40:24,631 --> 00:40:28,510 Jordan againstainge, spins into the Lane, scoops the shot up, 721 00:40:28,594 --> 00:40:30,387 and in and draws the foul. 722 00:40:31,305 --> 00:40:34,057 We all took our cracks at him that day. It wasn't one guy. 723 00:40:34,141 --> 00:40:36,393 Dj was our best defensive player, 724 00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:40,063 and he picked up fourfouls early in the third quarter. 725 00:40:40,147 --> 00:40:41,827 Four fouls on Dennis Johnson. 726 00:40:41,857 --> 00:40:43,066 Welcome to the club. 727 00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:46,612 I was on him for a while. Danny was on him. Dj was on him a lot. 728 00:40:47,279 --> 00:40:49,489 I remember laughing in the middle of the game 729 00:40:49,573 --> 00:40:52,659 because walton was cursing me out 730 00:40:52,743 --> 00:40:55,245 'cause he had to guard Jordan on a few occasions. 731 00:40:55,746 --> 00:40:58,415 I/I/a/ton with five. Next foul, and he's gone. 732 00:40:58,498 --> 00:41:00,459 Jordan isolated one-on-one. 733 00:41:02,044 --> 00:41:03,211 Walton fouled out. 734 00:41:03,295 --> 00:41:06,798 Jordan has shot 78 free-throws and made 76. 735 00:41:06,882 --> 00:41:09,343 Jโ€œ le/iminate punks cut 'em up in chunks jโ€œ 736 00:41:09,426 --> 00:41:12,012 jโ€œ you were souped, you heard me and your ego shrunk jโ€œ 737 00:41:12,095 --> 00:41:14,640 jโ€œ I'm devastating I'm so good it's a shame jโ€œ 738 00:41:14,723 --> 00:41:17,351 jโ€œ 'cause / eat rappers like a cannibal they call me insane jโ€œ 739 00:41:17,434 --> 00:41:20,062 jโ€œ I'm as strong as a bull of course, you know why / pull jโ€œ 740 00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:22,522 jโ€œ / enjoy what I'm doin' plus I'm paid in full jโ€œ 741 00:41:22,606 --> 00:41:25,359 Oh, my. F orty-e/ght for Michael Jordan. 742 00:41:25,442 --> 00:41:28,403 Jโ€œ say the kinda rhymes that make emcees wish that I'd die jโ€œ 743 00:41:28,487 --> 00:41:30,447 jโ€œ ne ver retire or put my mic on the she/flโ€œ 744 00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:31,657 jโ€œ the baddest rapper... jโ€œ 745 00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:34,951 If you liked 49 on Thursday, how about 50 on Sunday? 746 00:41:35,035 --> 00:41:37,788 Pull-up shot, and Perry's good fifty-two for Jordan. 747 00:41:37,871 --> 00:41:41,416 Michael, right baseline jumper. Good, and a foul called 748 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,920 Michael's shooting for the tie with no time left. 749 00:41:46,505 --> 00:41:49,007 Overtime in Boston garden! 750 00:41:49,091 --> 00:41:50,842 Jordan hits it. Fifty-six for Jordan. 751 00:41:50,926 --> 00:41:55,555 Sixty-one points to tie all-time single game playoff record 752 00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,891 got it. Sixty-three for Jordan. 753 00:41:57,974 --> 00:42:01,144 A new NBA record has been set in the Boston garden. 754 00:42:01,228 --> 00:42:05,232 It was a high-scoring game. Fortunately for us, we had the last shot. 755 00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:07,859 Bird, picking low. 756 00:42:10,737 --> 00:42:15,450 And a hard-fought victory for the Boston celtics to take a 2-0 lead 757 00:42:15,534 --> 00:42:19,246 we were fortunate to win that game, but Michael put on a show. 758 00:42:19,329 --> 00:42:21,808 Our Miller lite most valuable player of the game 759 00:42:21,832 --> 00:42:24,251 is Michael Jordan with an all-time record 760 00:42:24,334 --> 00:42:27,003 63 points in a single playoff game. 761 00:42:27,838 --> 00:42:29,065 We end up winning the series, 762 00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:32,426 but it was an incredible, incredible playoff performance. 763 00:42:32,509 --> 00:42:36,263 I've never seen it before, and I've never seen it after. 764 00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:37,824 That wasn't Michael Jordan out there. 765 00:42:37,848 --> 00:42:39,683 That was god disguised as Michael Jordan. 766 00:42:43,437 --> 00:42:46,148 Nobody like him. Point-blank. 767 00:42:46,231 --> 00:42:48,066 I never seen nobody play like he plays, 768 00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:51,069 and, I mean, you can include all of them. 769 00:42:51,153 --> 00:42:56,533 Jordan is the most talented player in the NBA, uh... 770 00:42:57,409 --> 00:42:58,410 By far. 771 00:42:58,493 --> 00:43:01,163 Guys like myself and Larry, who knew the game, 772 00:43:01,246 --> 00:43:06,126 who knew championship basketball, we knew the guy was coming, right? 773 00:43:06,209 --> 00:43:09,880 He just needed the right horses to go along with him. 774 00:43:11,131 --> 00:43:13,049 We realized that Michael Jordan 775 00:43:13,133 --> 00:43:16,052 was the greatest ball player in the NBA. 776 00:43:16,136 --> 00:43:20,056 So a year later, we basically rebuilt the entire team. 777 00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:21,266 Krause went to work. 778 00:43:22,267 --> 00:43:25,687 We added some great people like Horace Grant and scottie pippen. 779 00:43:27,063 --> 00:43:29,274 We changed the makeup of the team. 780 00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:35,864 I will always give Jerry krause credit for assembling a roster that fit. 781 00:43:36,823 --> 00:43:39,534 I'm sure one of the hardest trades he ever had to make 782 00:43:39,618 --> 00:43:42,496 was trading Charles oakley to New York for bill Cartwright. 783 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,082 We needed a big man, so bill was a great fit. 784 00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:48,251 As much as I love Charles, 785 00:43:48,335 --> 00:43:51,379 this fits us better than what Charles gives us right now. 786 00:43:51,463 --> 00:43:54,341 Michael was very fond of Charles 'cause Charles was his protector. 787 00:43:54,424 --> 00:43:57,302 Michael was always attacking the basket, and he got knocked down a lot. 788 00:43:57,385 --> 00:43:59,554 And Charles was always the guy to back him up. 789 00:43:59,638 --> 00:44:02,224 Oakley going right after โ€hot rodโ€ I/I/I/liams. 790 00:44:02,682 --> 00:44:04,976 When krause pulled the trigger on that trade, 791 00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:07,896 that was probably one of the defining things in his career. 792 00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:10,482 Charles oakley and I were good friends. 793 00:44:10,565 --> 00:44:12,359 We spent a lot of time together, 794 00:44:12,442 --> 00:44:16,905 but things were in place for us to win, you know, when he left. 795 00:44:16,988 --> 00:44:19,115 Jerry did a phenomenal job with the team. 796 00:44:20,033 --> 00:44:22,911 He made great trades, made great free-agent signings. 797 00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:24,454 He deserves a lot of credit. 798 00:44:24,538 --> 00:44:26,623 But he couldn't get out of his own way. 799 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:51,815 Scottie had real problems with Jerry, and it came out on several occasions. 800 00:44:51,898 --> 00:44:55,485 The thing was... and part of, you know, scottie's anger 801 00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:58,446 was they did look into seriously trading him 802 00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:00,782 after that 96-97 season. 803 00:45:00,866 --> 00:45:02,576 Anybody can be traded, 804 00:45:02,659 --> 00:45:06,580 and part of my responsibility is to listen to other teams 805 00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,223 when they talk to me about our players. 806 00:45:08,874 --> 00:45:11,042 And we think scottie pippen is certainly, 807 00:45:11,126 --> 00:45:13,271 you know, one of the top couple of players in basketball 808 00:45:13,295 --> 00:45:14,713 and feel very strongly about him, 809 00:45:14,796 --> 00:45:17,465 and I can't tell you what's gonna happen in the future, 810 00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:18,550 because I don't know. 811 00:45:21,136 --> 00:45:25,265 Krause's point then was, โ€œlook, we're gonna lose pippen in a year. 812 00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:29,477 The group doesn't have that much left. Let's blow it up now." 813 00:45:29,561 --> 00:45:31,521 But ownership said no. 814 00:45:31,605 --> 00:45:34,858 I killed that because I decided that, 815 00:45:34,941 --> 00:45:37,193 as long as Michael Jordan was still gonna be here, 816 00:45:37,277 --> 00:45:38,945 we got to go for the sixth championship. 817 00:45:42,616 --> 00:45:46,244 Well, we had a number of offers 818 00:45:46,328 --> 00:45:51,875 we thought were good offers for scottie and for some of our other players. 819 00:45:51,958 --> 00:45:54,628 I'm never going to stop being aggressive, 820 00:45:54,711 --> 00:45:58,381 and I will never stop trying to do things that make the team better. 821 00:45:58,465 --> 00:46:02,469 That really is what sort of 822 00:46:02,552 --> 00:46:05,639 tarnished my relationship with Jerry. 823 00:46:06,556 --> 00:46:10,644 He tried to make me feel so special, 824 00:46:10,727 --> 00:46:16,524 but yet, he was still, like, willing to trade and do all that stuff 825 00:46:16,608 --> 00:46:20,320 but never would tell me to my face. 826 00:46:21,863 --> 00:46:27,410 After you're in the game for a while, you realize that nobody is untradeable, 827 00:46:27,494 --> 00:46:30,038 but I felt insulted. 828 00:46:31,206 --> 00:46:37,379 I sort of took the attitude of disrespecting him to some degree. 829 00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:42,735 There was always barbs going back and forth, 830 00:46:42,759 --> 00:46:45,595 but at a certain point, scottie crossed a line. 831 00:46:46,805 --> 00:46:49,766 I mean, it was getting personal. 832 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:55,730 Pippen started abusing krause openly, you know, cursing him out on the bus. 833 00:46:55,814 --> 00:46:57,899 Couldn't tolerate him anymore. 834 00:46:57,983 --> 00:46:59,651 Didn't respect him. 835 00:46:59,734 --> 00:47:01,444 Scott! Hey, scottie! 836 00:47:01,528 --> 00:47:04,572 I remember some shots coming from the back of the bus. 837 00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:07,701 Raise your eyebrows, you know? 838 00:47:09,369 --> 00:47:15,667 Pippen started berating Jerry krause 839 00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:17,210 in front of the team. 840 00:47:17,293 --> 00:47:22,966 You know, we had to say, you know, "hey, let's hold it down," you know? 841 00:47:23,049 --> 00:47:25,885 But that's when it was like, "hey, there's a divide here." 842 00:47:25,969 --> 00:47:30,682 You know, it's not your normal... I mean, there's some hard feelings. 843 00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:33,560 "You don't appreciate me. You're trying to trade me. 844 00:47:33,643 --> 00:47:35,895 You won't pay me. Well, screw you. 845 00:47:35,979 --> 00:47:37,981 You know, I'm taking care of myself now." 846 00:47:39,232 --> 00:47:41,276 I was at that point where I felt like 847 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:43,194 I needed to do what was best for me. 848 00:47:45,071 --> 00:47:47,615 I felt like it was time for me to go shopping. 849 00:47:47,699 --> 00:47:49,784 Pippen is now demanding a trade, 850 00:47:49,868 --> 00:47:52,328 and he says he will not return from the injured list 851 00:47:52,412 --> 00:47:54,080 until he is gone from Chicago. 852 00:47:54,164 --> 00:47:56,332 He said he's never gonna play for the bulls ever again. 853 00:47:56,416 --> 00:47:58,668 "I'm never gonna wear this uniform ever again." 854 00:47:58,752 --> 00:48:01,672 Can the bulls do something that would make you want to stay? 855 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:05,675 Nah. No, I don't see myself carrying on. 856 00:48:06,551 --> 00:48:09,763 So, scottie made some earth-shattering comments last night 857 00:48:09,846 --> 00:48:12,932 to one of the Chicago writers about wanting to be traded. 858 00:48:13,016 --> 00:48:14,336 Can we get your thoughts on that? 859 00:48:14,934 --> 00:48:16,294 I don't really have any right now. 860 00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:19,939 I felt like scottie was being selfish, 861 00:48:20,023 --> 00:48:23,818 you know, worrying about himself as opposed to what his word was 862 00:48:23,902 --> 00:48:26,071 to the organization as well as to the team. 863 00:48:28,156 --> 00:48:30,700 I'm done here. You know what I'm saying? 864 00:48:30,784 --> 00:48:35,121 You've already written my script out that this is it. 865 00:48:35,205 --> 00:48:38,249 So I had to do what was best for me. 69635

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