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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,114 --> 00:00:32,866 Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. 2 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:37,120 This is the story of Orson Welles' last movie, 3 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:39,665 The Other Side of the Wind. 4 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:55,138 Uh, this is May 11th, 1971, The Other Side of the Wind. 5 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:57,182 Orson Welles. Um... 6 00:00:57,266 --> 00:00:59,726 - Sound roll number eight. - Rolling. 7 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:03,355 'Cause you always start announcing it before I roll. All right, now, 8 00:01:03,438 --> 00:01:04,523 I'll announce it. 9 00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:07,025 Scene 58, take one. 10 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:12,698 What you're about to watch is made up of fragments of the materials 11 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:16,159 that Orson and others left behind. 12 00:01:19,955 --> 00:01:22,583 Many of Orson's films started with a death... 13 00:01:24,001 --> 00:01:25,335 and so does ours. 14 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:34,928 When Orson Welles died yesterday, he was, as he had been most of his life, 15 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:36,847 in the midst of several film projects. 16 00:01:37,472 --> 00:01:40,559 It was the end of a career that had once promised so much. 17 00:01:41,143 --> 00:01:43,645 He was a giant of a man who made Citizen Kane, 18 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:47,357 who once scared America half to death with his War of the Worlds. 19 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:51,028 He'd been called a genius almost from birth. 20 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:54,239 He was reading at two, performing Shakespeare at ten. 21 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:58,410 Regrettably, his later years never matched the promise of his early years. 22 00:01:59,161 --> 00:02:02,831 He drifted off to lesser work and grew enormously fat. 23 00:02:03,582 --> 00:02:05,417 Movies were never finished. 24 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:08,128 There was this one, The Other Side of the Wind, 25 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:10,172 about a world-famous filmmaker. 26 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,883 Perhaps Welles' vision of himself. 27 00:02:13,717 --> 00:02:17,763 How we sum up a person's life and the truth of that life 28 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:20,140 are rarely he same thing. 29 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:23,769 Almost any story is almost certainly 30 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:25,604 some kind of lie. 31 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:28,482 But not this time. 32 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:32,861 This time, the story of The Other Side of the Wind 33 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:35,614 is being told by the people who were there: 34 00:02:35,697 --> 00:02:39,868 cast and crew, friends and family. 35 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:43,747 - My God, you're shooting from over there? - Why not? 36 00:02:50,212 --> 00:02:53,423 Orson said, "They'll love me when I'm dead." 37 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:56,176 No, Orson denied ever saying that. 38 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:58,637 - It's almost true. - It's not true. 39 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:03,642 Our movie starts long before things went wrong. 40 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:06,520 And they did go horribly wrong. 41 00:03:07,312 --> 00:03:09,940 But it begins at a moment of promise for Orson. 42 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:11,982 Let's watch. 43 00:03:15,779 --> 00:03:16,863 Mr. Orson Welles. 44 00:03:21,993 --> 00:03:23,673 Every time you'd mention his name, 45 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:25,997 people would say, "What did he do since Citizen Kane?" 46 00:03:26,081 --> 00:03:29,376 Citizen Kane, the greatest motion picture ever made. 47 00:03:30,001 --> 00:03:31,801 He made such a great movie and then... 48 00:03:31,962 --> 00:03:33,797 "Whatever happened to Orson Welles?" 49 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:37,968 Every list of great films, many of them lead with Citizen Kane 50 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:40,721 and say it's the finest film made. 51 00:03:40,929 --> 00:03:41,929 Um... 52 00:03:42,097 --> 00:03:43,890 - Do you agree? - No, certainly not. 53 00:03:44,474 --> 00:03:46,828 - That's interesting. - My next one is though, that's the... 54 00:03:46,852 --> 00:03:48,037 - The Magnificent Ambersons? - No. 55 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:50,522 - The one I'm preparing at this moment. - Oh, the next one. 56 00:03:50,605 --> 00:03:52,149 That's gonna make history. 57 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:55,277 - Could you give us the title of that? - I haven't decided what it is yet. 58 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,820 Oh! 59 00:04:02,743 --> 00:04:06,663 It would become a last big effort in his lifetime. 60 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:10,167 The chance to say, "This is my masterpiece." 61 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,587 What will really be the big basic differences between this picture 62 00:04:13,712 --> 00:04:15,255 and anything else you've ever done? 63 00:04:17,007 --> 00:04:19,843 Because everything else I've ever done has been controlled, 64 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:21,803 every frame is controlled. 65 00:04:22,763 --> 00:04:26,433 But I would like to take a whole story and make the picture 66 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:29,644 as though it were a documentary. The actors are gonna be improvising. 67 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:32,559 Have you done that kind of thing before with other... 68 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:34,566 Nobody's ever done it before, you know. 69 00:04:34,816 --> 00:04:36,985 But that seems to me like shooting and shooting, 70 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:40,489 and aren't you afraid the end result won't have any control? 71 00:04:40,697 --> 00:04:42,457 - I keep... - Not a bit, no, I really am not. 72 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:46,870 I can't even count the number of times I heard Orson say... 73 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:49,790 The greatest things in movies are divine accidents. 74 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:51,291 "Embrace that accident." 75 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:53,919 And my definition of a film director 76 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:57,714 is "the man who presides over accidents." 77 00:04:59,257 --> 00:05:00,857 They're these divine accidents. 78 00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:03,136 It's the only thing that keeps films from being dead. 79 00:05:03,428 --> 00:05:05,764 Every time one would happen, boom! 80 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:07,474 Genius would come out. 81 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:11,728 Everywhere, there are beautiful accidents. 82 00:05:11,812 --> 00:05:14,648 There's a smell in the air, there's a look 83 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:18,109 that changes the whole resonance of what you expected. 84 00:05:18,193 --> 00:05:20,570 Sometimes I've had those accidents. 85 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:25,534 I made a picture in which somebody reached through a window in Touch of Evil, 86 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:27,869 and found the egg... 87 00:05:31,373 --> 00:05:33,333 And we made a whole scene about it, you know. 88 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:35,877 But I wanna go further. 89 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:39,145 Then on the basis of what you've said, it sounds as though 90 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,812 the whole thing is going to be a series of your "divine accidents." 91 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:45,428 - If we're lucky. - If you're lucky. 92 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:48,390 That's right. You know, we're going to go fishing for accidents. 93 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:51,518 Which I think can be very exciting, you know? 94 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:52,644 Yeah, yeah. 95 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:58,358 Do you feel any kind of resentment 96 00:05:58,441 --> 00:06:03,196 for what Hollywood did to you, or failed to offer you? 97 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,241 At the time, Orson had lost his ability 98 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:08,201 to finance his own work in America. 99 00:06:08,326 --> 00:06:11,037 You are in some sense an exile, aren't you? 100 00:06:11,121 --> 00:06:13,582 - You've been out of America a long time. - Yes, yes. 101 00:06:13,957 --> 00:06:16,459 Orson had been in Europe for two decades. 102 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:21,089 Because he felt very betrayed by Hollywood. 103 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:26,136 I think he was permanently traumatized by Touch of Evil. 104 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:29,848 The studio said, 105 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:32,851 "God, Welles is functioning at such a level of brilliance. 106 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:34,644 We're gonna make film after film with him." 107 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,146 That's what you think. 108 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:38,982 Then they saw a rough cut of it. 109 00:06:39,274 --> 00:06:41,735 They were so horrified that I was fired. 110 00:06:44,446 --> 00:06:46,865 And nobody's ever explained what horrified them. 111 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,746 After Evil, nobody would touch him. 112 00:06:53,788 --> 00:06:55,040 They really wouldn't. 113 00:06:55,916 --> 00:06:58,251 The popular press had forgotten about him. 114 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:01,671 People weren't chasing Orson down to work with him. 115 00:07:03,548 --> 00:07:07,677 I think I have to make a very successful box office picture. 116 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,348 I think I'm getting too old not to have made one. 117 00:07:13,475 --> 00:07:15,977 - Orson needed a comeback film... - And? 118 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:18,146 ...and it had to be strong. 119 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:21,483 It's one thing to know what you want, it's another thing 120 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:24,319 to know how to go through the door when it opens. 121 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:37,666 Hollywood was changing in the '70s, changing huge. 122 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,920 The new Hollywood began around '66. 123 00:07:42,337 --> 00:07:44,881 Bonnie and Clyde, Five Easy Pieces. 124 00:07:44,965 --> 00:07:46,132 Easy Rider. 125 00:07:46,216 --> 00:07:48,468 The kids with beards were taking over. 126 00:07:48,551 --> 00:07:52,138 We are children playing games, when we create. 127 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:55,725 Which is what movies are to me, and what drama is to me, it's a game. 128 00:07:56,267 --> 00:08:00,021 Thirty-five-year-old men had taken over show business. 129 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:02,315 The studios didn't know anymore what was making money. 130 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:03,858 The studios were collapsing. 131 00:08:03,942 --> 00:08:06,778 When Warner Brothers stopped making cartoons, it was over. 132 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,031 In the new Hollywood, 133 00:08:10,115 --> 00:08:13,118 everybody had this incredible reverence for Orson Welles. 134 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:18,415 He was somewhere between Zen master and God. 135 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:23,213 I mean, sure, Citizen Kane was maybe the greatest film ever made, 136 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:25,171 but I'm not even sure it's his best film. 137 00:08:26,464 --> 00:08:28,609 - Lady From Shanghai. - The mirror sequence. 138 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:30,468 - Oh, wow! - Wow! 139 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:34,180 How could you even think to do that? 140 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:41,938 He was a prototypical independent filmmaker. 141 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:44,816 Oh, my God, yes. 142 00:08:44,899 --> 00:08:47,944 Chimes is the most perfect film ever made. 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 The chance to make my films in America's... 144 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:55,785 has been very hard, but I think it's getting easier. 145 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:58,538 Pictures are becoming more adventurous. 146 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:03,668 The opportunities ahead of me are greater, much than they were five years ago. 147 00:09:04,669 --> 00:09:08,965 Orson wanted in because he wanted to do a film about Hollywood. 148 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:13,219 It was the siren's call that drew Orson back to Hollywood. 149 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,598 And this is where the story really begins. 150 00:09:17,140 --> 00:09:21,895 In a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel on the 4th of July, 1970. 151 00:09:24,606 --> 00:09:27,150 One day in 1970, near the 4th of July, 152 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,486 I was at Schwab's Drugstore in Hollywood. 153 00:09:29,611 --> 00:09:32,197 This is cameraman Gary Graver. 154 00:09:32,864 --> 00:09:37,577 He shot everything Orson directed for the last 15 years of his life. 155 00:09:38,495 --> 00:09:40,747 Tell us how you met Orson Welles. 156 00:09:41,289 --> 00:09:44,793 I read in Variety that Orson Welles was at the Beverly Hills Hotel. 157 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:48,088 I went back to the phone booth, called him up... 158 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,634 ...and to my surprise, he answered the phone. 159 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:56,513 - "Hello?" I said, "Oh, Orson Welles?" - Hello? 160 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:59,099 I said, "I'm Gary Graver, I'm an American cameraman." 161 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:01,368 - Come and talk to me. - "I've got to talk to you." 162 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:03,103 I want to talk to you now! 163 00:10:03,186 --> 00:10:05,626 And he said, "Get over to the Beverly Hills Hotel right away." 164 00:10:06,564 --> 00:10:07,398 Wow! 165 00:10:07,482 --> 00:10:11,486 I raced over to the Beverly Hills Hotel, knocked on the door, and there was Orson. 166 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,615 - I said, "I'd like to work with you." - Why? 167 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:19,202 Orson said, "We'll make some tests, and if I like what you do, 168 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:20,662 we'll start a script." 169 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:22,789 And I was very nervous about it. 170 00:10:22,872 --> 00:10:26,126 Cut. Go back again. Stop it! Gary, you must listen to me. 171 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:30,797 The tests, as you see here, are shots of Orson 172 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,509 sitting in the Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow that he rented, 173 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:36,136 and I was shooting him. 174 00:10:36,469 --> 00:10:39,264 He said, "You're the second cameraman that's called me up. 175 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:42,767 The first one was Gregg Toland on Citizen Kane." 176 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:44,352 He says, "Now you. 177 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:46,563 So, it must mean good luck. 178 00:10:47,522 --> 00:10:49,232 I would like to work with you." 179 00:10:50,275 --> 00:10:52,569 And we began to make a movie called: 180 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,612 The Other Side of the Wind. 181 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,034 The Other Side of the Wind. What is that? 182 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:04,622 You could drive yourself nuts trying to get an answer to that one. 183 00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:10,461 The conceit of this movie is that it is actually two movies in one. 184 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:15,341 The Other Side of the Wind is divided into two sections. 185 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:19,470 There is the film which is made by documentary cameramen, 186 00:11:20,013 --> 00:11:24,017 which is the story of the last day of the director's life. 187 00:11:25,894 --> 00:11:29,063 And there is the film which is made by the director, 188 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,317 which has just broken down for lack of funds. 189 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:37,363 And these two stories almost simultaneously move together. 190 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:42,994 So, what is this film about? 191 00:11:43,119 --> 00:11:49,083 - It's the story of an old director. - Yeah? 192 00:11:49,167 --> 00:11:54,881 A generation even older than me. It's difficult to imagine that. 193 00:11:56,883 --> 00:12:00,303 The Other Side of the Wind is a movie about an aging film director. 194 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:03,890 The darling of Hollywood who fell out of favor. 195 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:05,892 The great American film artist... 196 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:07,953 That gets rejected in Hollywood, goes to Europe... 197 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:09,646 And comes back to Hollywood. 198 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:12,065 It was a thinly-veiled version of himself. 199 00:12:12,148 --> 00:12:15,860 Okay. Would that make him an autobiographical character for you? 200 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:19,239 No. Everybody will think it's autobiographical, but it's not. 201 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:21,032 Yeah. Bullshit. 202 00:12:21,616 --> 00:12:24,176 - Of course it is. - It must be autobiographical. 203 00:12:24,202 --> 00:12:25,429 A hundred percent Orson. 204 00:12:25,453 --> 00:12:28,623 No doubt it's an autobiographical movie. 205 00:12:29,457 --> 00:12:30,667 He hated that. 206 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:34,295 He didn't want to be analyzed through his films. 207 00:12:36,673 --> 00:12:38,049 Ten-hut! 208 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:41,427 Actually, The Other Side of the Wind started 209 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:43,638 because of a conversation I had with Orson. 210 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:44,931 Who is this man? 211 00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:48,643 Peter Bogdanovich started as a film historian. 212 00:12:48,726 --> 00:12:50,603 And Orson, he was my hero. 213 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:54,399 He said, "Isn't it a pity you can't do a nice little book about me?" 214 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:57,402 I said, "I'd be happy to do an interview book with you." 215 00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:58,685 He said, "Fine, let's do it." 216 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,280 And he said... 217 00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:03,908 You know why I was sleepless last night? 218 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:04,826 Why? 219 00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:07,954 I've got a story that I've worked on for many years. 220 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:11,124 I said, "What's that?" "Well, it's about an older film director 221 00:13:11,207 --> 00:13:14,252 and a young film director, and the betrayal 222 00:13:14,752 --> 00:13:16,170 of their friendship." 223 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:18,381 Not that it matters. 224 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:22,760 I am crazy enough to do that in preference to anything else. 225 00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:25,823 - Oughta make it right away. - Right away. 226 00:13:25,847 --> 00:13:27,265 "I must make it now." 227 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,228 Cut. 228 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:41,446 He calls me up and he says, "What are you doing Thursday?" 229 00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:45,033 And I said, "I'm going to Texas to start my first film." 230 00:13:51,247 --> 00:13:53,041 But this was before all that. 231 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:56,377 Orson said, "What time is your plane?" 232 00:13:56,586 --> 00:13:58,046 I said, "Three o'clock." 233 00:13:58,129 --> 00:14:02,592 He said, "Can you meet me at noon where the planes fly low over the street?" 234 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,635 I said, "Yeah, okay. What are we doing?" 235 00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:07,201 "I'll tell you about it when I see you. Just meet me at noon." 236 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:11,410 - Take one, second... - Let me announce it. 237 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:13,770 Bus Studio, Scene 55, Take one! 238 00:14:14,896 --> 00:14:16,105 The mic all right? 239 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:19,275 At first, he had me playing a cineaste, 240 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,167 you know, a guy who writes about movies. 241 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:24,530 Mr. Hannaford? Uh, Mr. Hannaford. 242 00:14:24,614 --> 00:14:27,742 Jake Hannaford's the leading character, an old director. 243 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:31,079 Mr. Hannaford, uh, in the body of your film work, 244 00:14:31,245 --> 00:14:35,083 how significantly would you relate the trauma of your father's suicide? 245 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:38,544 Orson had me do it like Jerry Lewis. And it was like, 246 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:41,798 "Mr. Hannaford, do you think that the cinema is like a phallus?" 247 00:14:42,673 --> 00:14:44,509 Orson thought that was hilarious. 248 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:49,639 I did some stuff like Jerry and broke myself up. 249 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:50,890 He said, "Don't laugh!" 250 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:52,975 He wanted a free train. 251 00:14:53,976 --> 00:14:55,728 All right, come back! Come back! 252 00:14:55,812 --> 00:14:57,105 Sun got in the lens. 253 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:00,232 Mr. Hannaford! 254 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:01,650 Mr. Hannaford? 255 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,156 It's a crazy picture. 256 00:15:07,323 --> 00:15:09,867 It's not a work of fiction, it's a little of everything. 257 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:12,578 You either hate it or loathe it, like most people. 258 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,416 It's kind of a departure in moviemaking. 259 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:22,547 The Other Side of the Wind is structured around a party 260 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:24,924 being thrown for the director, Jake Hannaford. 261 00:15:25,508 --> 00:15:27,552 This gives him a chance to assert his relevance 262 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:31,264 amongst the biggest names of the new Hollywood movement. 263 00:15:32,014 --> 00:15:34,725 Orson began shooting fragments of this scene, 264 00:15:34,809 --> 00:15:38,980 and would continue to do so for the next five years. 265 00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:43,484 Chabrol, take one! 266 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:48,739 During the party scenes, Orson wanted to have actual filmmakers... 267 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:50,198 Thanks. 268 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:51,993 ...on camera. 269 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:54,287 - But then... - For Henry and Paul! 270 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:57,623 Roll five, take one. 271 00:15:57,832 --> 00:16:00,334 He wanted a fight of two young directors. 272 00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:03,713 - Don't condescend... Don't patronize me. - Let me finish. Well, let me finish. 273 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:05,524 - If you're really an honest man... - Can I talk to him? 274 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:07,985 - Yeah, but if you're an honest man... - May I speak with him or not? 275 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:10,011 Uh, Dennis Hopper showed up. 276 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:14,891 Dennis Hopper, filmmaker, extraordinary leading actor. 277 00:16:15,016 --> 00:16:17,351 He got incredibly stoned... 278 00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:19,353 ...and was debating Jake Hannaford. 279 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:22,356 - Jake, everybody knows about you. - Yeah, I know. 280 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:26,068 With the lead role of Jake Hannaford not yet cast, 281 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:29,363 Welles played the role of the director off camera. 282 00:16:30,406 --> 00:16:32,783 Do you believe movies are also magic? 283 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:34,660 Right. 284 00:16:34,744 --> 00:16:37,622 When Elvis Presley was 21, he came to me and said... 285 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:41,167 he's gotta do this fight scene. He says, "I've never hit a woman before. 286 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:42,960 Gotta hit Debra Paget." 287 00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:46,339 And I said, "But you don't really hit people in movies." 288 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:49,926 He says, "I suppose you're gonna say they don't really shoot real bullets at people. 289 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,886 I've seen the wood splinter off the wall." 290 00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:53,221 - He said that? - Yeah. 291 00:16:53,888 --> 00:16:56,432 Yeah, but aren't you confusing reality with magic? 292 00:16:56,516 --> 00:17:00,603 In other words, I believe people will believe anything in movies. 293 00:17:02,522 --> 00:17:06,108 Reality is always poor, weak stuff compared to magic. 294 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:10,988 Orson was a big believer in magic. 295 00:17:11,155 --> 00:17:15,535 The idea that maybe... maybe what you see isn't real. 296 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:20,456 You may have wondered why I look so peculiar on the television. 297 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:23,793 And it's partly, I must confess to you, 298 00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:27,129 the fact that you see my nose as it is. 299 00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:32,468 He's really a very handsome man. 300 00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:35,471 He always hides it with different noses. He doesn't like it, 301 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:38,140 he thinks it's too weak-looking or something. I love his nose. 302 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:40,309 He changes noses? Oh. 303 00:17:41,811 --> 00:17:44,939 In most of the films that I appear in, I put on a false nose, 304 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:47,608 usually as large as I can find. 305 00:17:49,694 --> 00:17:52,196 He said, "All my life, I've hidden behind masks." 306 00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:56,117 And he had created a wall with these masks, 307 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,869 hiding the real Orson. 308 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,255 The Other Side of the Wind is entirely masked. 309 00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:11,340 In other words, 310 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,802 the party shot by a documentary crew 311 00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:18,055 is in a style that wouldn't have been my style as a movie director. 312 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:22,268 And the movie within a movie is an impersonation by me 313 00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:26,689 of my director character trying to make an art movie. 314 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,066 It's not my film. 315 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:31,152 - It's a film by the character. - Yes! 316 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,405 You will see the movie within a movie 317 00:18:34,488 --> 00:18:36,699 is not a movie I would ever have made. 318 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:38,826 There was no plot. 319 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:42,788 Essentially it was about my character chasing a girl, 320 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:44,957 chasing her around or something. 321 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,001 A little game of "catch me if you can." 322 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:49,920 It was pretty clear the film that Hannaford's making 323 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:55,384 is Orson's attempt to satirize European atmospheric cinema. 324 00:18:55,593 --> 00:18:57,511 Which was popular back in the '60s. 325 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:03,517 And it was very amusing to make, 326 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:06,062 because I had the freedom, the joy, 327 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:10,358 to make a film that is not a film by Orson Welles. 328 00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:12,610 Yes. 329 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:15,488 Because it's a film made with a mask. 330 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:19,033 With this film, 331 00:19:19,408 --> 00:19:22,203 Mr. Welles is a professional who's become an amateur. 332 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:24,205 And it worked. 333 00:19:25,414 --> 00:19:28,417 Pretty much everything he was doing was to save money. 334 00:19:29,377 --> 00:19:31,879 Because Orson paid for the shoot himself. 335 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,384 Gary Graver provided him with a small, proper crew. 336 00:19:36,467 --> 00:19:38,010 Oh, boy! 337 00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:44,767 By the way, Frank Marshall, producer of Indiana Jones, 338 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,645 - wasn't he part of the crew? - Yeah. 339 00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:51,732 It was before I understood what a producer did. 340 00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:55,444 There's a glorious sense of freedom and innocence 341 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:58,614 that Welles was always yearning for. 342 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,284 Because they were making things up as they went along. 343 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,956 We have an entire crew who would let him do anything. 344 00:20:07,456 --> 00:20:10,000 The only one who didn't give him any flak was Oja. 345 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:11,544 Her name... 346 00:20:13,003 --> 00:20:15,256 is Oja. Oja Kodar. 347 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:19,593 The star and the co-writer 348 00:20:19,677 --> 00:20:24,473 of the movie within the movie was a young Croatian artist, Oja Kodar. 349 00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:27,309 She was also Orson's lover. 350 00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:31,856 Orson just loved Oja, it was the love of his life. 351 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:35,901 And he considered her an artistic collaborator. 352 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,905 When we first met... 353 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:41,531 um... 354 00:20:43,409 --> 00:20:44,785 I was very young... 355 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:47,621 To me, he looked somehow menacing. 356 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:50,875 With his cape... 357 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,086 he was a personification of the wind itself. 358 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:57,548 But I knew the other side of this wind. 359 00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:02,344 Because Orson was the wind that was capable of caressing you, 360 00:21:02,428 --> 00:21:05,556 lifting you, making you dance. 361 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,183 Time for a confession. 362 00:21:07,558 --> 00:21:11,228 - Um... he was also married. - Good night, Oja. 363 00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:13,481 Olga... I call her Olga. 364 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:15,232 That's her real name, you know? 365 00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:19,612 My father was fascinated by this double life. 366 00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:23,199 It became intriguing and it was not boring, 367 00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:25,826 this unbelievable double life. 368 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:29,705 Why my mother stayed married, I'll never know. 369 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:33,042 But... that's her choice. 370 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:38,172 We'll leave Miss Kodar aside, for the moment. 371 00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:44,970 Orson had been shooting this material for years 372 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:48,182 with his own money, in the hopes that he could raise more money 373 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:50,392 to finish when people saw what he was shooting. 374 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:55,356 But I don't think he tried to get funding from the studios at first. 375 00:21:57,775 --> 00:22:02,071 In fact, Orson was sneaking into abandoned studio backlots 376 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,157 under assumed names and filming an elaborate critique 377 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:06,867 of Hollywood itself. 378 00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:09,954 Was it vengeance? 379 00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:15,209 The Magnificent Ambersons was the beginning 380 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:19,672 of what we can call... the period of betrayal. 381 00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:24,134 My father was betrayed by a lot of people. 382 00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:27,555 Did he bring that on himself? Who knows? 383 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:29,681 Maybe. 384 00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:34,103 Whilst editing The Magnificent Ambersons, 385 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:37,147 Orson was practically ordered by the US government 386 00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:39,984 to go to Brazil to make a documentary. 387 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:42,278 And so I arranged to film 388 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:44,572 a voodoo witch doctor. 389 00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:47,575 And I came back to the office and found that, on my desk, 390 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:49,410 in a script of the film... 391 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,663 was a long, steel needle. 392 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:56,375 This was the mark of the voodoo. 393 00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:01,672 While I was in South America, 394 00:23:01,964 --> 00:23:04,049 the studio previewed Ambersons 395 00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,176 and said it was too down-beat. 396 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:08,971 And they started cutting it. 397 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:13,267 The editor used to send him telegrams saying, 398 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,561 "Come back from Brazil. 399 00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:20,524 They are re-shooting The Ambersons. We are all under contract. 400 00:23:20,608 --> 00:23:24,987 We can do nothing against that. You are the only one who can stop that. 401 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:26,322 Come back." 402 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:28,573 And he didn't. 403 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:31,827 I was fired by the studio. 404 00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:34,663 I never recovered from that attack. 405 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,750 They destroyed Ambersons 406 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,377 and destroyed me. 407 00:23:42,004 --> 00:23:44,965 I didn't get a job as a director for years afterwards. 408 00:23:48,177 --> 00:23:50,971 He was considered somebody who didn't care that much 409 00:23:51,055 --> 00:23:53,140 about the commerciality of a project 410 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:54,892 by many in Hollywood. 411 00:23:55,726 --> 00:24:00,189 Therefore, Orson needed to get financing from untraditional sources. 412 00:24:00,564 --> 00:24:02,942 And, eventually, it worked. 413 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,445 But, regarding the money, it's complicated. 414 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,950 When I was there, it was a Spanish producer... 415 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:13,285 - Andrés Gómez. - Right, Andrés Gómez. 416 00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:17,581 I was not a financier of the film, but I did find some money. 417 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,709 We had some money from Gómez, but we needed more. 418 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,713 So, Orson found French producer Dominique Antoine. 419 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,257 Yeah, so I had the money at that time 420 00:24:27,341 --> 00:24:30,678 because I had made an association with the brother-in-law of the Shah. 421 00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:32,012 The Shah of Iran. 422 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,847 And he had a dictatorship. 423 00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:37,351 The brother-in-law and I created together 424 00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:39,436 a company called Les Films de L' Astrophore. 425 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,771 L' Astrophore. 426 00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:43,691 The Iranian company that was Paris-based. 427 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:48,612 So, I said to Orson, "The Other Side of the Wind, of course we do it." 428 00:24:51,281 --> 00:24:54,660 I believe she came with a satchel full of money. 429 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:57,371 Orson was like the Cat of Cheshire. 430 00:24:57,454 --> 00:25:02,209 With a smile from one ear to the other one. And he was purring. 431 00:25:07,423 --> 00:25:09,758 - Money makes miracles. - Yeah. 432 00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:12,219 Yeah. 433 00:25:12,928 --> 00:25:14,680 You're a bad boy, and you know it. 434 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:17,473 Confused? 435 00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:21,478 Don't worry about it. It's not the most important thing. 436 00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:23,313 What is important 437 00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:27,067 is that Orson finally had the money for his comeback film. 438 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,696 What he didn't have was a leading man. 439 00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:36,243 I remember one time we were in Paris, 440 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:39,955 and he'd already shot a lot of footage without the leading character. 441 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:42,082 Would you play the director? 442 00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,626 Who should play it is John Huston. 443 00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:48,797 Huston is the best, and I'm the second best. 444 00:25:49,131 --> 00:25:51,884 If I can't get Huston, there's nobody else but me. 445 00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:52,967 Yeah. 446 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,813 And he's sort of pacing up and down the street, saying, 447 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:59,224 "But why should I give it to Huston? It's a great part, I should play it myself." 448 00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:03,145 If I should ever... 449 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:07,357 get close enough to the pearly gates to have an argument 450 00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:09,151 with the man who opens them, 451 00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,280 I would suggest that the reason to let me into heaven 452 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,741 is that I didn't play that wonderful part. 453 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:20,454 And gave it instead to John Huston. 454 00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:24,583 It's a piece of unselfishness which I have regretted ever since. 455 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:33,008 John Huston was the sexiest old devil I ever met. 456 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:36,512 I'm trying to live... 457 00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:40,015 live life as best as I possibly can. 458 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:42,893 Why'd he want John Huston? 459 00:26:43,393 --> 00:26:45,604 They loved each other, they were brothers! 460 00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:51,193 The thing about Orson Welles and my dad is that they were really 461 00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:54,446 able to live up to their own mythology 462 00:26:55,197 --> 00:26:57,241 and camp that up a little bit. 463 00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:02,162 It is a lot of smoke and mirrors. You don't know what's real and what's not. 464 00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:03,872 And that's what they're playing with. 465 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,419 They'd known each other for so many years, and they were both rapscallions. 466 00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:12,506 John loved Orson Welles. 467 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,971 And he received a call one morning, 468 00:27:19,054 --> 00:27:22,057 and he said, "Oh, my God!" And I said, "What?" He said, "It's Orson. 469 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:27,563 He wants me to come to Carefree, Arizona." 470 00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:40,742 Gary called me at about 10:00 at night. 471 00:27:40,868 --> 00:27:44,079 "Mike, can you be in Arizona tomorrow?" 472 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,331 "Orson's putting together a ten-day shoot." 473 00:27:46,415 --> 00:27:49,042 Would I come down for ten days. He needed me. 474 00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:52,296 To go to the desert in the middle of nowhere. 475 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,340 "It's gonna be like summer camp, I don't know if there's any money. 476 00:27:55,424 --> 00:27:58,135 - Are you interested?" - And I said, "Yes." 477 00:27:58,218 --> 00:27:59,978 - "Yeah. That sounds like fun." - Absolutely. 478 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:02,014 I'm in my car driving to Arizona. 479 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,642 I suddenly looked up and there was the Zabriskie Point house. 480 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,731 It's clearly no coincidence 481 00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:14,193 that the location that Orson chose to shoot in Arizona 482 00:28:14,818 --> 00:28:17,446 is in fact the house next door 483 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,949 to the house Antonioni blew up in Zabriskie Point. 484 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:26,496 On The Other Side of the Wind, 485 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:28,832 Orson wanted to push further than Antonioni. 486 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,961 Orson was the ultimate independent filmmaker. 487 00:28:34,588 --> 00:28:36,882 I was part of a core crew, not of 80, 488 00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:40,135 but of six people plus Orson. 489 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:43,722 He wanted to be in a kind of circus. 490 00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:46,600 Full of young people. 491 00:28:47,309 --> 00:28:49,937 I fell right in the vat of cream. 492 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,200 You know, I fell right in the middle of it. 493 00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:56,235 For me to have the luck to work with Orson Welles, 494 00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:01,240 oh, it was so exciting, even when it was difficult. 495 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:09,122 I mean, the first day of shooting, he fired the sound man. 496 00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:12,501 Can you please just slow down? Otherwise I'm going to fall off the car. 497 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,797 Everybody's job was really difficult. 498 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,591 I had built sets, schlep sets, hung lights. 499 00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,886 This young kid, so anxious to get this thing for Orson 500 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:26,181 - that he ran through the plate glass. - Shattered it. 501 00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,100 Fortunately, I was going so fast... 502 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,602 He was in the living room before the pieces of glass 503 00:29:30,686 --> 00:29:33,689 had finished cascading down to the floor. 504 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,400 - Oh, it's great. - It was crazy. 505 00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:37,859 It is insane, 506 00:29:38,402 --> 00:29:42,030 but it's the kind of thing that happens to people who are working like Orson. 507 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:46,410 I picked John Huston up at the airport in Phoenix. 508 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:49,955 I said, "Mr. Huston, I'm thrilled you're here." 509 00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:53,166 I said, "We've been waiting for you for three years to be in this film. 510 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,420 We've been shooting around you." And Huston looked really alarmed. He said, 511 00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,881 "You've been acting in this picture for three years?" 512 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,385 Write that down, somebody. 513 00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:07,596 Cut. 514 00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:10,142 - I fucked that up. - Let’s do it once again. 515 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,602 The little campier still, but masculine. 516 00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:14,437 Once again. 517 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:18,900 The Other Side of the Wind is not a complete departure for Orson. 518 00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:20,902 And it reflected 519 00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:25,365 the process that Orson had been going through in Europe in making his own films. 520 00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:27,701 Welles' exile had meant 521 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,454 that he was exiled from the facilities of Hollywood. 522 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:33,373 I have a different style as a director, 523 00:30:33,874 --> 00:30:35,876 because I know of things I can't ask for. 524 00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:38,462 For example, with Othello, 525 00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:42,049 there's a fight scene where a punch is thrown, 526 00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:44,217 but then production had to shut down 527 00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:47,012 while Orson went off to make more money as an actor. 528 00:30:47,637 --> 00:30:50,932 And the reaction shot of the guy getting punched 529 00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:54,895 was shot two years later and a thousand miles away. 530 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,065 It worked. 531 00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:01,114 Who would've thought that was possible? 532 00:31:10,035 --> 00:31:11,078 Good evening. 533 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,788 Now... 534 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:17,250 the first thing you're probably asking yourself is, "What is Orson Welles 535 00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:20,003 doing as the host of a comedy show?" 536 00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:27,094 I met Orson on Kopykats, a show we did with a bunch of impersonators. 537 00:31:27,177 --> 00:31:28,845 Starring Rich Little. 538 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:32,432 I was in the studio doing a routine 539 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,519 called "Famous Celebrity Sneezing." 540 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,733 I said, "Orson Welles, sneezing." 541 00:31:41,942 --> 00:31:45,862 I did not know that he'd just come into the studio. I went... 542 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:49,574 "Aah-aah-choo." 543 00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:52,911 And he put his arm on my shoulder and said... 544 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,831 "I never sneeze." 545 00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:00,418 We clicked. 546 00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:04,047 Well, gee, Orson, I don't know how this show could afford you. 547 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,936 He phoned me at home, and told me about this movie, Other Side of the Wind, 548 00:32:18,353 --> 00:32:22,566 and would I be interested in playing a wide-eyed, young director. 549 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,610 I said, "Well, great. 550 00:32:25,694 --> 00:32:30,198 Just on one condition. That I have to shoot my scenes in about three weeks." 551 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:35,245 He said, "Oh, no, no. I'll probably need you for about a week." 552 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,958 When I was introduced to John Huston, 553 00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:44,087 Orson went up to him and said, "John, this is Rich Little. 554 00:32:44,421 --> 00:32:48,550 He's one of the world's greatest impressionists." 555 00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:50,719 And John Huston said: 556 00:32:50,886 --> 00:32:54,347 "Oh, well, then we're gonna get along fine, 557 00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:57,017 because I'm into art, you know." 558 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:01,021 "No, no, not that kind of impressionist. 559 00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:02,856 He does voices." 560 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:08,653 "Why would he do that? Why couldn't they get the real people?" 561 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,244 Orson populated the film with characters 562 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,622 based on the icons of the film community. 563 00:33:19,873 --> 00:33:21,917 Like screenwriter John Milius. 564 00:33:23,043 --> 00:33:24,753 Film critic Pauline Kael. 565 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:28,131 I just want to know what he represents. 566 00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:31,635 And the head of Paramount Pictures, Robert Evans. 567 00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,597 I started to figure out that Rich Little's supposed to be Peter. 568 00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:42,729 The character was a young, successful director who did imitations. 569 00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:44,773 And that's what Peter did. 570 00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:46,566 I'm Peter Bogdanovich. 571 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,778 What's the word I say? Oh, action! 572 00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:55,283 And so then I started to think, "Well, is John Huston supposed to be Orson?" 573 00:33:56,409 --> 00:34:00,080 I remember thinking, “Oh, my gosh, this is starting to get really weird.” 574 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,918 I can remember one time we shot a scene... 575 00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,377 Brooksie. 576 00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:09,714 - Right here by your side, skipper. - You know what I'd like for my birthday? 577 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:11,715 Cut. 578 00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:13,510 John couldn't drive. 579 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:16,596 And he never told us this. 580 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,390 - My camera's gone out. - Oh, Jesus! 581 00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:21,395 - Certainly, it was a stick-shift. - Give me the magazine, quick! 582 00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,288 And I was kinda worried, 'cause I had to return the car. 583 00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,064 - It's stopped. - The magazine jammed. 584 00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:27,482 The car stopped, too. 585 00:34:29,818 --> 00:34:33,029 Let's put it in drive. In "D." 586 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,305 It looked like we were gonna go right into the lake. 587 00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:38,743 John said to me, 588 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,705 "Oh, Rich, you'll get good billing." 589 00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:45,834 'Orson Welles, John Huston, and Rich Little, 590 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:48,044 all drowned'." 591 00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,678 This is a picture about the love of death. 592 00:34:57,178 --> 00:34:59,139 You came to my party after all. 593 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:01,766 Get in. I'll drive you. 594 00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,485 This is Jake Hannaford's 70th birthday party. 595 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,322 He died at the end of it. 596 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:20,118 And there was some question as to whether it was an accident or suicide. 597 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:25,081 So, what you're seeing is a reconstruction of the... 598 00:35:25,165 --> 00:35:27,834 - Roll tape! - 40, David, take six. 599 00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:32,130 ...made up of all this different footage, all put together. 600 00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:35,467 - Mr. Hannaford. - Happy birthday, Jake! 601 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,096 The whole documentary, the kind that we're all so accustomed to today, 602 00:35:41,014 --> 00:35:42,390 he was inventing. 603 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:43,892 Happy birthday! 604 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:47,604 And for that, Gary was probably an ideal cameraman, 605 00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:49,397 because Gary was very fast. 606 00:35:52,192 --> 00:35:55,111 Gary Graver was the key person on the film. 607 00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:57,947 He was the closest person to Orson. 608 00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:02,827 Gary was really like the son Orson didn't have. 609 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:06,706 Orson and Gary, father-son... 610 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,333 No. Not so much. 611 00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:10,960 - Orson isn't very paternal. - Action. 612 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,631 Go back! Go back, back up, back up. Quickly! 613 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,217 - Up! Up! Up! - Bossy, yes. 614 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:18,968 Paternal, no. 615 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,012 Slower! Stop! 616 00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:23,139 Move slowly! 617 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:29,813 My father Gary's enthusiasm for filmmaking 618 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,315 was something I don't think I've ever seen equaled. 619 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:37,612 Every moment that my dad was not actively engaged in shooting, 620 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:39,906 he looked at that as time lost. 621 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,744 Gary and I, we got married when I was 21. 622 00:36:45,787 --> 00:36:48,415 And if he was scheduled to be home at 10:00, 623 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:52,961 and it went until 4:00 in the morning, oh, well, he stayed. 624 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:56,046 Action! 625 00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,925 Gary did as he was told. 626 00:36:59,259 --> 00:37:01,428 Orson put the camera where he wanted to, 627 00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:04,264 and Gary was, you know, just his slave. 628 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:08,435 Orson would have the camera to his eye and he'd say, "Come here, Gary." 629 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:13,106 And then he'd move his head to the side, and he said, "This is it, see it?" 630 00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:16,776 And I had to make it exactly right. 631 00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:22,574 When I look back on it, it's so complicated. 632 00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,076 You wanted to please him, 633 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,579 because you knew he was such an artist. 634 00:37:28,997 --> 00:37:31,166 I mean, anything was possible with Orson. 635 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,219 Everything had to happen right away, 636 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,962 even when we didn't quite understand what we were doing. 637 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,006 There was no script. 638 00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,926 He was constantly writing it as he was going along. 639 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:44,345 And fiddy-owney-owney-own! 640 00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:46,824 Sometimes I had trouble understanding some of the lines. 641 00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:47,682 What? 642 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:50,769 I remember one line was the great "anonymous gang-shag." 643 00:37:50,852 --> 00:37:54,063 "And the cool, dim, anonymous gang-shag." 644 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:56,858 And I didn't know what that meant actually. 645 00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:01,529 Would somebody please tell me why I'm going to a stupid party 646 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,032 with all these stupid dummies? 647 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,785 I had no idea what all these dummies were. 648 00:38:06,868 --> 00:38:08,578 There were dummies out by the pool. 649 00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:11,539 They were there 'cause Orson said, "Let's put these dummies out there." 650 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:13,416 But it was like, "Well, why?" 651 00:38:13,917 --> 00:38:15,502 Didn't make any sense to me. 652 00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:18,797 But Orson knew exactly what he wanted. 653 00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:21,341 Every part of it was here. 654 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,800 To Baker, one. 655 00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:26,012 We were doing a scene and Orson said... 656 00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,139 Now a midget goes from behind you... 657 00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:31,059 All of you feel midgets touching your feet. 658 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,520 "Midgets running between your legs." 659 00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,522 - All right. - Keep acting? 660 00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:37,482 It’s what you do to make this work, right? 661 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:41,236 Orson said, "Everybody look up! Midgets on the roof!" 662 00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:45,240 I said, "Orson, what the heck is this midgets bit?" 663 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:49,828 And he said, "We're going to put the midgets in later, in Spain." 664 00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:52,038 And then walked away. 665 00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:57,502 The rule of thumb was Orson knows what he's doing, 666 00:38:57,794 --> 00:39:00,713 don't question anything. Just do it. 667 00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:04,259 I'm not sure he knew where this movie was going, and, um... 668 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:07,303 I'm not sure anybody did, actually. 669 00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:13,309 It's quite clear that Rich wasn't comfortable with Orson's process. 670 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:15,061 Wasn't a team player. 671 00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:18,773 Realistically, I suppose he was counting down the days 672 00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,317 until he knew he had to leave. 673 00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:24,571 My three weeks was up, and I had to leave, 674 00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:28,533 because I had club engagements that I can't get out of. 675 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,870 And if I don't show up I'm gonna be sued. 676 00:39:32,662 --> 00:39:34,831 And I thought to myself, "Oh, my gosh, 677 00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,041 I'm not gonna be able to finish this part." 678 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:43,423 Well, here's what I remember happened. 679 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,008 It was the last night. 680 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,802 The film was practically finished. 681 00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,514 We were supposed to shoot this big scene. 682 00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:55,643 We went to get him, Saturday morning, he was gone. 683 00:39:57,562 --> 00:40:01,065 We were all there waiting for him, and he never showed up. 684 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,360 As I recall, he wanted to go to New Orleans for something. 685 00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:06,084 He had an engagement in Las Vegas. 686 00:40:06,154 --> 00:40:10,241 Allegedly, Orson's secretary had been having a relationship 687 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:11,367 with Rich Little. 688 00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:13,828 He missed his wife and he was tired of working. 689 00:40:13,912 --> 00:40:17,707 Orson said, "No! You're on a contract here for the next..." And he left and went. 690 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:20,668 You don't do that to Orson. 691 00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:23,796 He felt betrayed. 692 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:28,968 I could've come back later and finished the scenes. 693 00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:32,889 We never discussed that, and I... That always puzzled me. 694 00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:36,935 I thought, "They're gonna have to do all those scenes over again. 695 00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:38,937 Oh, my gosh! I can't imagine." 696 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,314 It was crazy. 697 00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,526 I have replaced actors on the second week of shooting. 698 00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,320 But after seven weeks... 699 00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:49,071 it's impossible. 700 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,327 I called him, I said, "How's it going?" 701 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,620 "Terrible. 702 00:40:57,413 --> 00:41:00,249 I just blew 25 Gs and I don't have that kind of bread. 703 00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,377 I had to pay off Rich Little." 704 00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:04,253 - "Why?" - "He can't act!" 705 00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:07,161 "Oh, gee, I'm sorry to hear that. What are you gonna do?" 706 00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:11,094 "I don't know what I'm gonna do. I just can't use any of his stuff." 707 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:14,013 He is a rough magician, isn't he? 708 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:18,101 So I said, "That's terrible, Orson. Why don't I play it?" 709 00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:20,895 He is a rough magician, isn't he? 710 00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,232 And then he said, "Well, you're playing that other part." 711 00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:27,735 I said, "You can just cut me out of that." 712 00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:35,368 All right, men! Let's get organized. Now where shall we start? 713 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:41,374 John Huston goes, "Peter, how many movies have you actually acted in now?" 714 00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:47,296 "Well, this is my second, Mr. Huston." "Two? Makes it easy to count!" 715 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,552 Scene three X, take one. 716 00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,181 Ah, red light. 717 00:41:57,724 --> 00:41:59,225 - No, we... - Mr. Hannaford. 718 00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:01,728 Oh, shit, I'm sorry. I'll do that again. 719 00:42:01,811 --> 00:42:03,571 - Start again? - Yeah, do it better. 720 00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:05,406 - You must deal with every situation. - Okay. 721 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:10,903 Why snap your finger? We're not cutting. Uh-uh. 722 00:42:12,405 --> 00:42:15,074 Orson said, "Play it like it's us." 723 00:42:18,077 --> 00:42:19,662 In case you haven't noticed, 724 00:42:19,746 --> 00:42:24,500 Peter Bogdanovich went from playing exactly who he was in 1970, 725 00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:26,294 a young writer, 726 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:31,090 a celebrated movie director. 727 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:35,762 My book on Hannaford's been canceled. Indefinitely. 728 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:39,060 Yeah, the first five chapters took the two of us three and a half years. 729 00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:43,227 Finally, I just had to start directing myself so I could eat. 730 00:42:44,145 --> 00:42:47,106 - Ha! Good. Now right away... - Do another one. Right. 731 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:49,317 - Action? - Action. 732 00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:52,487 I had to start directing myself so I could eat! 733 00:42:53,738 --> 00:42:55,740 - Cut! Very good. - That was good. 734 00:42:56,991 --> 00:43:00,578 At that time, Orson had more influence on me than anybody. 735 00:43:01,913 --> 00:43:03,998 There's a number of myths about you already, 736 00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:07,251 even though you're young. Like the fact that you had a goal set for yourself 737 00:43:07,335 --> 00:43:09,735 that you would make a movie at the same age Orson Welles did. 738 00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:13,216 Oh, I wanted... I thought I'd be a failure if I didn't make a movie 739 00:43:13,466 --> 00:43:16,928 at least by the time I was 25, which is when Orson made 740 00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:21,599 Citizen Kane, and I was a disaster 'cause I didn't make one until I was 27. 741 00:43:23,643 --> 00:43:26,687 My films aren't like his films, but he inspired me. 742 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:32,652 Their relationship started as mentor/mentee. 743 00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:36,280 But Peter was at the top of an arc of a meteoric rise. 744 00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:39,575 You're as successful as you are 745 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:43,287 and you have a gorgeous lady, as you do have. 746 00:43:43,371 --> 00:43:44,539 Cybill, uh... 747 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,916 Yes, let's not discuss what... Yes, go ahead. 748 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,878 You have her, you have four pictures in a row that make 30 million dollars. 749 00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,548 A guy has to learn to hate you. 750 00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,635 Bogdanovich had outpaced his mentor. 751 00:44:02,849 --> 00:44:06,561 Orson realized, "He has money, I don't. 752 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,688 I'm Orson Welles, he's not. 753 00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:15,653 - What's wrong? - The future. 754 00:44:16,988 --> 00:44:18,364 What's the matter with it? 755 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,450 We cannot all be masters. 756 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:26,706 Nor all masters cannot be truly followed. 757 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:30,501 I remember, we were sitting at lunch one day, 758 00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,004 and on top of the refrigerator was this 759 00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,882 industrial size bag of Fritos. 760 00:44:36,382 --> 00:44:40,469 Orson tore the top of it off, poured most of the contents onto the kitchen table, 761 00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:43,389 sat down, took a big bunch of Fritos, put it in his mouth. 762 00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:46,684 So, of course, I did the same thing. 763 00:44:50,313 --> 00:44:53,858 Absolutely out of the blue, Orson just turned to me and said, 764 00:44:53,941 --> 00:44:57,153 "If anything happens to me, I want you to promise me you'll finish the picture." 765 00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,323 I said, "Oh Jesus, Orson, why do you say a thing like that? 766 00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:02,259 Nothing’s gonna happen to you. Why do you say..." 767 00:45:02,283 --> 00:45:04,243 "I know, nothing's gonna happen." 768 00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,637 Hey, why pick on me? 769 00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:11,334 I mean, the man is infested with disciples. I'm the apostle, lady. 770 00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:15,296 The film deals with the betrayal of friendship. 771 00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:17,548 Movies and friendship. 772 00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,634 Those are mysteries. 773 00:45:20,176 --> 00:45:22,136 He tested people with that. 774 00:45:23,429 --> 00:45:27,850 Betrayal can only come if there's an initial love present. 775 00:45:28,017 --> 00:45:31,062 - You two are very close, aren't you? - Yes, I'd like to ask you about that. 776 00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:36,734 Orson created an environment where others would get sucked into it. 777 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:40,071 It was all within Orson's control. 778 00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:43,449 And he was creating an inevitability. 779 00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:46,118 She's gonna say I stole everything from you, skipper, 780 00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:47,828 I'm never gonna walk away from that. 781 00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:49,835 Well, it's all right to borrow from each other. 782 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,832 What we must never do is borrow from ourselves. 783 00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:57,338 We winked and nodded at each other, 784 00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:59,882 which was like, my God, this is going to happen. 785 00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:02,260 This inevitability is going to occur. 786 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,055 'Course you're close, you two. You have to be. 787 00:46:07,473 --> 00:46:08,516 You have no choice. 788 00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:16,232 Orson had gone to the looking glass and passed beyond it. 789 00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:21,696 The story was now being re-written in real time. 790 00:46:24,949 --> 00:46:28,077 There was a scene in which Hannaford comes into the party 791 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,037 with a blond teenager on his arm. 792 00:46:30,162 --> 00:46:31,414 She was pretty young. 793 00:46:31,497 --> 00:46:33,249 What was her name, Mavis Henshaw? 794 00:46:33,332 --> 00:46:35,793 - What's your name, sweetie? - Mavis Henscher. 795 00:46:36,085 --> 00:46:39,755 Actually, she was this little waitress we found at a breakfast place. 796 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,559 Want me to bring you another scotch? 797 00:46:42,008 --> 00:46:46,178 And we just went... “That's Mavis.” 798 00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:50,224 She didn't know who Orson Welles was. She didn't know who John Huston was. 799 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:54,520 And there were times when their combined energies 800 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,273 could barely get a performance out of her. 801 00:46:57,648 --> 00:46:59,984 - Ready? - Thank you. Action. 802 00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:01,318 Action! 803 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,404 Oh, I thought he was gonna say his part first. 804 00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:04,847 - You say it. - All right. 805 00:47:05,698 --> 00:47:06,532 Say it. 806 00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:09,201 Gee, I don't know, I have school tomo... No, wait. 807 00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:11,412 Absolutely dreadful actress. 808 00:47:12,288 --> 00:47:14,665 But why would Orson wanna do that to himself? 809 00:47:15,416 --> 00:47:17,752 She's kind of a Cybill Shepherd take-off. 810 00:47:18,127 --> 00:47:19,127 Was she? 811 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:20,713 Oh, okay. 812 00:47:21,255 --> 00:47:25,343 Clearly Orson was giving Peter a hard time about his relationship 813 00:47:25,426 --> 00:47:27,803 with Cybill Shepherd after Last Picture Show. 814 00:47:28,304 --> 00:47:31,140 Cybill was 19, I think, when Peter discovered her. 815 00:47:32,975 --> 00:47:35,978 With Orson, you never quite know what is gonna happen. 816 00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:39,273 Peter said, "Orson's making fun of me 817 00:47:39,357 --> 00:47:41,317 and things I've said to Cybill." 818 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,444 - Tomorrow's Sunday, Mavis. - Pardon? 819 00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:45,988 You'll be flying down with us to Mexico. 820 00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:48,324 Gee, I don't know, I have school on Monday. 821 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,993 I'll, uh, write a note to your teacher. 822 00:47:51,494 --> 00:47:53,496 That's it. 823 00:47:55,289 --> 00:47:58,042 I was supposedly, like, his girlfriend 824 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,920 and I was really young, and he was very old. 825 00:48:01,170 --> 00:48:04,173 He's like, "Mavis! Mavis! Come here!" 826 00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:06,509 It was... It was very strange. 827 00:48:07,093 --> 00:48:10,096 Mother seems to think a little young blood would be good for us. 828 00:48:10,179 --> 00:48:12,765 - You could be right at that. - Well, she's always right. 829 00:48:12,848 --> 00:48:15,226 Excuse me, fellas, I think we have a confrontation. 830 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,395 - Once again. John? - Yeah. 831 00:48:17,478 --> 00:48:20,356 You took a look back at the girl after "She's always right." 832 00:48:21,107 --> 00:48:24,110 Excuse me, fellas, I think we have ourselves a confrontation. 833 00:48:24,902 --> 00:48:29,323 In this story, Hannaford takes away this blond girl from Peter's character 834 00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:31,450 who’s kind of a crude, sexual power play. 835 00:48:31,951 --> 00:48:33,744 We like your little friend. 836 00:48:33,869 --> 00:48:35,871 "We like your little friend." 837 00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:36,956 She's mine. 838 00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:39,500 - Cut. - Again. 839 00:48:39,583 --> 00:48:40,918 Again. 840 00:48:43,129 --> 00:48:44,630 He thrived on friction. 841 00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:47,675 So, the old man can still score. 842 00:48:48,134 --> 00:48:51,220 How he scores and who he scores with, 843 00:48:51,804 --> 00:48:54,515 now that, my friend, gets us into some very interesting country. 844 00:48:57,852 --> 00:49:01,814 I think Orson was fascinated by this macho thing. 845 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:07,069 It's part of where the concept of The Other Side of the Wind 846 00:49:07,153 --> 00:49:08,446 was even born. 847 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:11,198 The whole mystique of the, uh... 848 00:49:11,991 --> 00:49:12,991 the he-man. 849 00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:17,913 This picture we're gonna make is against he-men. 850 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:21,523 The initial conception of The Other Side of the Wind, 851 00:49:21,584 --> 00:49:26,046 that it was gonna be a little bit of a satire of an obsessively 852 00:49:26,505 --> 00:49:29,216 masculine character, like Hemingway. 853 00:49:30,217 --> 00:49:33,512 So, it's no coincidence this film takes place July 2nd, 854 00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:35,556 the date of Hemingway's death. 855 00:49:36,182 --> 00:49:40,519 Hemingway? That, uh, left hook of his was overrated. 856 00:49:41,937 --> 00:49:44,231 And the character displayed certain 857 00:49:44,732 --> 00:49:47,359 tendencies of, perhaps, latent homosexuality. 858 00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:52,507 He wants to fuck him. He wants to fuck his leading man. Don't you see that? 859 00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:55,784 Don't you see that there in his movies? And he can't acknowledge that. 860 00:49:56,744 --> 00:50:01,457 Orson was very comfortable with himself and his feminine side. 861 00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:06,170 But he could fall right into a guy-guy role. 862 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:11,759 I think Orson was always kind of interested in that duality in men. 863 00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:15,969 You've had so much written about you, 864 00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:18,599 and you were so far ahead of your time in achievement. 865 00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:23,687 Has your success made you less willing to challenge than you were in those times? 866 00:50:23,771 --> 00:50:27,149 Oh, I think not at all. I think I'm much more of a... 867 00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:29,610 of a renegade than I was then. 868 00:50:30,486 --> 00:50:33,280 - In what way? - Oh, in about every way. 869 00:50:34,949 --> 00:50:37,535 The best scene I've seen in The Other Side of the Wind 870 00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:40,018 is the sex scene in the car, from the film within the film... 871 00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:43,832 which is seven minutes long in the version Welles edited. 872 00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:45,918 Yes, it's long, long. 873 00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:49,296 Everybody talks about the sexy car scene. 874 00:50:49,964 --> 00:50:53,092 I remember it having quite an impression on me. 875 00:50:57,137 --> 00:50:59,390 I remember being in my mid-teens, 876 00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:02,768 and having the screening of this footage. 877 00:51:03,686 --> 00:51:07,856 The footage of Oja was remarkably erotic. 878 00:51:09,733 --> 00:51:11,527 Of her in a car 879 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:17,157 uh, with a hose being poured over the car, creating all these droplets and the... 880 00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:19,952 the windshield wipers going. 881 00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:24,957 The car never moved, and they had a couple of guys with hoses. 882 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,680 Hundreds of feet of garden hoses. 883 00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:29,503 We robbed water from all of his neighbors. 884 00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:32,423 I did all the little things on set. 885 00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:36,927 And Orson yelled down to me, "Hey kid, pick up that hose and make rain." 886 00:51:38,387 --> 00:51:40,264 What? 887 00:51:41,056 --> 00:51:44,476 One of our paraplegic friends was pushed down the road, 888 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,689 holding two lights in his hands, impersonating car in a motion. 889 00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:54,945 The movie inside the movie, it's about love, about sex, about desire. 890 00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:57,906 It's incredibly hot. 891 00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:01,035 And it's unlike anything he'd ever done. 892 00:52:02,411 --> 00:52:06,165 His earlier films were rather prudish in their treatment of sexuality. 893 00:52:06,874 --> 00:52:08,754 He was, he called himself prudish. 894 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,420 And he didn't think films needed nudity. 895 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,088 Come, Desdemona. 896 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,342 I have but an hour of love to spend with thee. 897 00:52:16,884 --> 00:52:19,386 Orson felt that explicit sexuality 898 00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:22,264 was distracting from the art in the narrative. 899 00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:25,726 He said, "It just shows a lack of imagination." 900 00:52:26,518 --> 00:52:28,228 He never talked about sex. 901 00:52:28,771 --> 00:52:30,606 That's why Oja such a shock. 902 00:52:32,483 --> 00:52:37,780 I think the things I contributed to his creativity was the eroticism. 903 00:52:38,197 --> 00:52:39,823 I introduced the sex. 904 00:52:48,874 --> 00:52:52,002 I ask Orson, "How do you want me to do this?" 905 00:52:52,252 --> 00:52:56,674 "Well," he said, "any way you feel like it. It's your story." 906 00:52:57,299 --> 00:52:59,718 So, I thought what kind of female I should be. 907 00:53:00,761 --> 00:53:03,222 So, I decided to be a praying mantis. 908 00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:08,644 Wow, my word! 909 00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:13,816 She sat on his lap and made love to him 910 00:53:13,899 --> 00:53:16,735 while her character's boyfriend was driving the car. 911 00:53:16,985 --> 00:53:19,571 Her chain beating against her breasts. 912 00:53:20,781 --> 00:53:24,159 He ask Oja, “Give animal look.” 913 00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:27,955 I still remember the fantastic color, 914 00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:32,793 the rhythm, the pulsing rhythm. It’s like a cinematic equivalent of an orgasm. 915 00:53:34,002 --> 00:53:36,463 But he shot that over, like, a three-year period. 916 00:53:36,922 --> 00:53:39,550 He shot part of it in his driveway in Los Angeles, and then 917 00:53:40,008 --> 00:53:42,761 he shot more of it in his backyard in France. 918 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:47,057 At one moment, it's Gary Graver with false hair, 919 00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:49,143 playing the young guy. 920 00:53:50,477 --> 00:53:54,189 The film is an exploration of Orson's desire. 921 00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:03,407 The writer Peter Bartel 922 00:54:03,574 --> 00:54:05,951 described The Other Side of the Wind as 923 00:54:06,285 --> 00:54:10,038 "a desperate venture shared by desperate men." 924 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:15,753 As production lagged on, the financiers and the crew 925 00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:17,337 became restless. 926 00:54:21,467 --> 00:54:24,219 Gary would be pleading with Orson, "I gotta eat." 927 00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:28,766 Once in a while, Gary would actually have to work to make money. 928 00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,437 Gary would take other jobs in B movies, 929 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,731 just so that he could afford to work for Orson. 930 00:54:37,858 --> 00:54:41,111 He's the only guy I know who worked with Orson Welles and Ed Wood. 931 00:54:41,195 --> 00:54:44,364 Gary shot this film, One Million AC/DC. 932 00:54:44,907 --> 00:54:47,659 It was the world's first bisexual dinosaur movie. 933 00:54:49,953 --> 00:54:51,413 What's that? 934 00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:54,792 Don't worry, it can't eat us in here. 935 00:54:58,837 --> 00:55:02,966 It’s not what Gary wanted to have as his trademark in his career. 936 00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:06,428 The Other Side of the Wind was the film. 937 00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:09,556 This was gonna be his claim to fame. This is the one that would 938 00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:11,141 take him to new heights. 939 00:55:11,266 --> 00:55:15,062 Orson said, "Gary, if you get a job on another movie, you come to me. 940 00:55:15,771 --> 00:55:18,649 If I need you, you can't do it." 941 00:55:19,858 --> 00:55:24,530 Ultimately, I think he found the easiest path towards making all this work 942 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:26,573 was to do adult films. 943 00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:29,535 Gary did a lot of porn. 944 00:55:29,868 --> 00:55:33,664 Hundred or so films that he never wanted to have his name associated with, 945 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:36,166 he worked under an assumed name. 946 00:55:36,542 --> 00:55:37,918 Akdov Telmig. 947 00:55:38,418 --> 00:55:40,921 That's "vodka gimlet" spelled backwards. 948 00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:45,217 He was shooting these semi-porn movies 949 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:50,430 and he asked me if I wanted to be a part of this one called 3 A.M. 950 00:55:50,973 --> 00:55:53,892 I think that was... it had pornographic elements to it. 951 00:55:55,811 --> 00:55:59,523 And Orson knew that this was important to Gary, to get this movie done, 952 00:55:59,606 --> 00:56:00,816 so he wanted to help him. 953 00:56:03,402 --> 00:56:06,905 He came over and he was at Gary's house, and they cut it together. 954 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:11,535 And Orson ended up cutting the shower scene, yeah. 955 00:56:11,743 --> 00:56:12,743 Yeah. 956 00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:13,996 Excuse me. 957 00:56:14,788 --> 00:56:17,207 - Oh! - Yeah, it's totally true. 958 00:56:19,501 --> 00:56:23,881 Orson was very decisive. He was very like, "Okay, we need to cut here, we go there." 959 00:56:23,964 --> 00:56:25,883 There was no pharumphing around. 960 00:56:25,966 --> 00:56:27,846 It was like, "I need to get this off the docket, 961 00:56:27,885 --> 00:56:29,595 so I can get Gary back to work again." 962 00:56:31,263 --> 00:56:32,723 Gary's work never ended. 963 00:56:34,224 --> 00:56:36,351 He got worn down on it, for sure. 964 00:56:37,102 --> 00:56:38,854 I think there were two occasions 965 00:56:39,187 --> 00:56:42,065 that he was hospitalized for exhaustion. 966 00:56:42,691 --> 00:56:45,319 He just physically was collapsing. 967 00:56:46,361 --> 00:56:48,363 Now, Gary. Gary? 968 00:56:50,574 --> 00:56:52,894 - You all right, Gary? - You feel all right? 969 00:56:52,993 --> 00:56:54,161 Yeah, I'm all right. 970 00:56:57,164 --> 00:57:00,417 I think he might have thrown the towel in with any other director. 971 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,463 And he would try. He would tell Orson, 972 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,382 "I can't." But somehow, 973 00:57:07,883 --> 00:57:11,803 Orson would always find a way to get him to change his mind. 974 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,098 The costs were tremendous. 975 00:57:15,265 --> 00:57:18,602 You don't go through multiple divorces unscathed. 976 00:57:20,812 --> 00:57:22,689 Orson would push you 977 00:57:22,898 --> 00:57:26,485 to the point where you said, "Fuck you, fat man, 978 00:57:26,568 --> 00:57:29,947 and take that legend and shove it where the sun don't shine." 979 00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:31,782 And just at that moment, 980 00:57:32,115 --> 00:57:34,534 where he could feel that he had gone too far, 981 00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:38,622 he would wrap his arm around you and basically say, 982 00:57:38,705 --> 00:57:42,125 "Have I told you what a great job you've been doing for me lately?" 983 00:57:44,753 --> 00:57:48,340 There's no doubt about it that he seemed to be doing everything he could 984 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,093 to alienate as many people as possible. 985 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,762 But why? What is all that about? 986 00:57:54,388 --> 00:57:55,597 It's strange. 987 00:57:57,683 --> 00:58:01,269 I fear dying before I have accomplished something 988 00:58:01,895 --> 00:58:02,895 that I'm... 989 00:58:03,522 --> 00:58:06,817 not ashamed of, that I'm even a little proud of. I'm afraid... 990 00:58:07,401 --> 00:58:10,570 that I will be taken away before I have justified 991 00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:13,240 the luck and joy that I've had. 992 00:58:17,869 --> 00:58:19,246 Relax totally. 993 00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:21,957 Relax your face, sad, empty. 994 00:58:22,207 --> 00:58:25,711 Empty. Now say, "Many happy returns," so I hardly hear you. 995 00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:28,839 Many happy returns. 996 00:58:28,922 --> 00:58:30,549 You pronounced it too carefully. 997 00:58:33,427 --> 00:58:35,303 Many happy returns. 998 00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:44,061 There is a... 999 00:58:44,396 --> 00:58:48,066 inconclusiveness, or a lack of definition 1000 00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,945 that is basic to this effort of Orson's. 1001 00:58:53,822 --> 00:58:56,533 You know, was it some sort of endless odyssey? 1002 00:58:57,451 --> 00:58:58,702 We'll never know. 1003 00:59:00,787 --> 00:59:03,582 Orson knew what he wanted. He knew. 1004 00:59:03,665 --> 00:59:05,292 - Take 21. - Action. 1005 00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:06,960 What happened to the lights? 1006 00:59:07,044 --> 00:59:09,921 But, unless you have a brain that works like that, 1007 00:59:10,422 --> 00:59:12,174 how does anyone else know? 1008 00:59:16,928 --> 00:59:20,223 It was this circus of scattered souls. 1009 00:59:21,475 --> 00:59:23,977 We were totally out of reality. 1010 00:59:24,603 --> 00:59:26,104 What was happening on the set 1011 00:59:26,188 --> 00:59:29,316 was so much like what was happening in the movie. 1012 00:59:29,691 --> 00:59:32,235 It was like, "Wait a minute. That's Orson. 1013 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:36,114 Is it? Orson, is that you?" "No, that's John Huston. It's not me." 1014 00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:39,701 John didn't know what Orson was doing. 1015 00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:43,330 He said, "I just can't figure out what the hell he's putting together." 1016 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:46,383 Come forward with your matches, looking, everybody, quickly. 1017 00:59:47,709 --> 00:59:50,087 But it's Orson, it'll be something. 1018 00:59:50,378 --> 00:59:52,339 Test one, take one! 1019 00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:56,593 Keep moving here. 1020 01:00:01,723 --> 01:00:05,936 One night in particular, I was listening to John and Orson, 1021 01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:10,107 and John was saying, “What the hell is this movie about, Orson?" 1022 01:00:10,565 --> 01:00:13,985 And Orson said, "It's about a miserable prick. 1023 01:00:14,945 --> 01:00:17,322 This is his swan song. 1024 01:00:18,031 --> 01:00:19,616 It's about us." 1025 01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:26,748 My father felt that film was a sort of slightly vulgar art-form. 1026 01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:29,668 He made one for them and one for himself, 1027 01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:32,796 and was able to play the system, 1028 01:00:33,296 --> 01:00:35,006 more like a poker player. 1029 01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:37,217 Orson couldn't have been more different, yeah. 1030 01:00:38,927 --> 01:00:41,346 My father was such a perfectionist, 1031 01:00:41,888 --> 01:00:44,474 and movies were his canvas. 1032 01:00:44,975 --> 01:00:48,186 Every shot of my father's movies are a painting. 1033 01:00:50,814 --> 01:00:54,568 And Orson's line was that Huston was willing to sell out. 1034 01:00:55,527 --> 01:00:57,988 I kept waiting for my big scene with John Huston, 1035 01:00:58,238 --> 01:01:00,657 the one time he was supposed to really interact with me. 1036 01:01:01,449 --> 01:01:03,869 One day, we were shooting and I said, 1037 01:01:03,952 --> 01:01:05,912 "Where's John?" He hadn't been around for a while, 1038 01:01:05,954 --> 01:01:08,754 and one of the crew said, "He's off making some little film somewhere." 1039 01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:15,881 It was a huge success. 1040 01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:18,925 “Masterpiece,” they called it. 1041 01:01:20,051 --> 01:01:23,471 It was wonderful for my father. A Kipling story 1042 01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:27,517 in the Atlas Mountains was heaven, heaven on earth. 1043 01:01:28,268 --> 01:01:30,187 But to think that, at that moment, 1044 01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:36,526 the industry is not paying the same amount of respect to Welles is sad. 1045 01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:45,994 He once turned to me and he said, 1046 01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:50,123 "Citizen Kane is the greatest curse of my life. 1047 01:01:51,041 --> 01:01:52,834 Every time I do anything, 1048 01:01:54,002 --> 01:01:57,631 people start comparing this to where it stands vis-à-vis 1049 01:01:57,714 --> 01:02:00,008 what they call the greatest American movie. 1050 01:02:00,467 --> 01:02:01,468 This is my curse." 1051 01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:07,933 No other director has ever been held up to such an impossible standard. 1052 01:02:10,977 --> 01:02:15,190 What The Other Side of the Wind is about is, in a sense, a bookend 1053 01:02:15,482 --> 01:02:18,193 to Citizen Kane, about the tragic end of... 1054 01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:20,987 somebody who had become great... 1055 01:02:22,364 --> 01:02:24,574 and then had lost his place in America. 1056 01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:27,403 Well, you know, 1057 01:02:28,662 --> 01:02:29,871 Orson said... 1058 01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:35,710 "No story has a happy ending, 1059 01:02:36,086 --> 01:02:38,546 unless you stop telling it before it's over with." 1060 01:02:40,924 --> 01:02:43,093 The tragedy of The Other Side of the Wind 1061 01:02:43,176 --> 01:02:45,470 started with Andrés Vicente Gómez. 1062 01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:48,265 He was our Spanish co-producer. 1063 01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:52,769 I'm not sure how much I can say about this without getting into... 1064 01:02:53,061 --> 01:02:55,563 um... muddy legal waters. 1065 01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:59,818 Yeah, I was there and I really, to this day, don't know... 1066 01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:02,821 Whoa... Oh, wait a minute. I do know. 1067 01:03:02,946 --> 01:03:04,656 Oh, this story I can't tell. 1068 01:03:07,701 --> 01:03:12,289 Andrés Gómez had supposedly put up a couple of hundred thousand dollars 1069 01:03:12,372 --> 01:03:15,166 towards production costs on The Other Side of the Wind, 1070 01:03:15,250 --> 01:03:19,546 and was on the set. He left, and we were told that 1071 01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:23,383 he was going to pick up the next tranche of investment, 1072 01:03:23,508 --> 01:03:26,344 something in the order of a quarter of a million dollars. 1073 01:03:27,137 --> 01:03:30,432 We were running out of cash and we kept, "Where's Andrés? 1074 01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:33,351 Where's Andrés? When is he coming back?" Well, he never did come back. 1075 01:03:38,023 --> 01:03:41,063 I've heard that he vanished with some money, but I don't know if that's true. 1076 01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:43,403 I don't know... He may have vanished with his own money. 1077 01:03:44,738 --> 01:03:47,338 The problem is everybody got their information from Orson. 1078 01:03:48,366 --> 01:03:51,286 Nobody has direct evidence of how the money disappeared. 1079 01:03:52,912 --> 01:03:56,333 I read that he blamed me 'cause of the finance fiasco, 1080 01:03:56,583 --> 01:03:58,209 which is totally untrue. 1081 01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:00,670 I made a settlement with him. 1082 01:04:00,754 --> 01:04:03,798 There was no complaint, there was no anything. 1083 01:04:04,924 --> 01:04:07,886 If it was true, why didn't they make any claim to me, you know? 1084 01:04:10,472 --> 01:04:13,224 It created chaos. I mean, suddenly we're not filming. 1085 01:04:14,184 --> 01:04:16,686 And then we're even blaming each other. 1086 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:21,608 You can imagine what happens to morale. 1087 01:04:27,322 --> 01:04:30,241 And then we're just all sorta, "What's Orson gonna do?" 1088 01:04:33,578 --> 01:04:34,578 Mark it. 1089 01:04:36,623 --> 01:04:37,623 Go! 1090 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:42,170 Orson certainly was having trouble getting the film finished, 1091 01:04:42,379 --> 01:04:46,466 and when the production had to move to Los Angeles 1092 01:04:46,925 --> 01:04:51,388 and needed interiors that could work to double the Arizona house, 1093 01:04:51,596 --> 01:04:55,350 Peter had Orson move into his house in Beverly Hills to shoot there. 1094 01:04:56,976 --> 01:04:59,776 What happened is, I think Orson sort of took advantage of that. 1095 01:04:59,813 --> 01:05:02,065 Peter told Orson he could stay at his house 1096 01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:04,567 for maybe two, three weeks a month. 1097 01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:05,902 Right on! 1098 01:05:05,985 --> 01:05:08,113 Well, he stayed on and off for three years. 1099 01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:10,073 Right on! 1100 01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:13,326 Peter and Cybill Shepherd were living in the east wing. 1101 01:05:13,868 --> 01:05:15,412 It was a very large house. 1102 01:05:16,121 --> 01:05:17,247 And he ate a lot. 1103 01:05:19,332 --> 01:05:23,002 Ah, the French champagne... 1104 01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:26,548 has always been celebrated for its excellence. 1105 01:05:27,382 --> 01:05:29,110 Fudgsicles! 1106 01:05:29,134 --> 01:05:30,885 He had to have them all the time. 1107 01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:34,013 He got very angry if there were no Fudgsicles. 1108 01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,684 And I had strict orders never to disturb him. 1109 01:05:38,977 --> 01:05:40,645 And then I smell smoke one day. 1110 01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:43,231 He was in the downstairs guest room. 1111 01:05:43,314 --> 01:05:45,859 And I followed it down up to the door and tap-tap-tap, 1112 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:47,527 "Orson, is everything okay?" 1113 01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:49,864 "Yes, it's taken care of." 1114 01:05:51,448 --> 01:05:53,616 He'd put a lit cigar in his robe pocket. 1115 01:05:55,076 --> 01:05:56,286 He was miserable. 1116 01:05:56,911 --> 01:05:59,539 He was never as fat as he was then. 1117 01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:01,875 And it was because of the movie. 1118 01:06:02,876 --> 01:06:05,086 Over time, Peter gave more to Orson 1119 01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:07,547 than he ever imagined he was going to give. 1120 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,926 Don't give up the ship, eh, Brooksie? 1121 01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:13,303 I'm not. 1122 01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:17,140 It's really embarrassing because he's broke. 1123 01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:19,601 Don't think I'm not ready to... 1124 01:06:21,728 --> 01:06:24,314 Don't think I'm not ready to put up a fight for you. 1125 01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:28,568 I think, for a long time, you could sort of justify, 1126 01:06:28,651 --> 01:06:30,862 "Well, Orson needs me. 1127 01:06:32,113 --> 01:06:35,408 I'm helping him, maybe something good will come out of it." 1128 01:06:37,202 --> 01:06:38,745 It's you I'm thinking of. 1129 01:06:40,163 --> 01:06:42,415 - God, I don't... - Don't touch anything. 1130 01:06:43,249 --> 01:06:46,169 "It's you I'm thinking of." Right into the door, that one. 1131 01:06:47,504 --> 01:06:49,130 It's you I'm thinking of. 1132 01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:53,176 At a certain point, it was like, it should be time for Orson to... 1133 01:06:53,384 --> 01:06:56,221 to go, but Orson's not going, and how do I sorta... 1134 01:06:56,888 --> 01:06:58,598 try to tell him to do that? 1135 01:07:02,018 --> 01:07:05,855 We who somehow glow a little in his light... 1136 01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:08,775 the fireflies, 1137 01:07:09,442 --> 01:07:11,903 he does quite often swallow whole. 1138 01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:17,200 It's a fact that some of us, he chews on rather slowly. 1139 01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,370 Cut. 1140 01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:27,669 Orson commandeered Peter's screening room 1141 01:07:27,752 --> 01:07:29,712 and turned it into his editing suite. 1142 01:07:30,380 --> 01:07:32,966 There he worked all hours, piecing together 1143 01:07:33,466 --> 01:07:34,551 The Wind. 1144 01:07:37,262 --> 01:07:38,805 This is a Moviola. 1145 01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:42,725 It's a machine for editing film. 1146 01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:46,729 Orson decided on a completely new approach. 1147 01:07:46,813 --> 01:07:48,147 Orson cut it. 1148 01:07:48,439 --> 01:07:51,693 He cut it, every take, in a lot of parts 1149 01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:53,903 - and he reconstruct it. - Action! 1150 01:07:54,571 --> 01:07:55,571 Curtain. 1151 01:07:55,822 --> 01:07:57,448 - Curtain. - A film is... 1152 01:07:57,991 --> 01:07:59,325 never right 1153 01:07:59,784 --> 01:08:01,744 until it's right musically. 1154 01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:05,790 - I ended up working as an editor. - Cut! 1155 01:08:06,291 --> 01:08:09,961 I spent six months on what I call the bathroom orgy scene. 1156 01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:12,297 There were 500 edits. 1157 01:08:12,797 --> 01:08:17,677 And I spent six months with him editing two frames here, five frames here, six... 1158 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,764 He kept editing it a little bit more and a little bit more. 1159 01:08:24,559 --> 01:08:26,639 His whole concept of The Other Side of the Wind 1160 01:08:26,811 --> 01:08:30,690 was evolving, that's what he said. I said, "Well, how can it be evolving now?" 1161 01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:33,192 He said, "It's all in the editing." 1162 01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:34,902 I've never forgotten. 1163 01:08:35,361 --> 01:08:37,238 "It's all in the editing." 1164 01:08:39,657 --> 01:08:42,827 The jigsaw pieces were separated by 1165 01:08:43,244 --> 01:08:44,704 breaks in time. 1166 01:08:44,912 --> 01:08:48,082 Jesus, with all your troubles, what's one lousy leading man? 1167 01:08:48,291 --> 01:08:51,794 There was no way for the picture to be put together, except in my mind. 1168 01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:55,006 Jesus, what's one lousy leading man? 1169 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:56,840 Cut! 1170 01:09:00,011 --> 01:09:01,771 It was funny, 'cause, after all that, 1171 01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:04,057 Orson still wanted Hollywood to embrace him. 1172 01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:06,768 And I think he thought that the AFI 1173 01:09:06,851 --> 01:09:09,896 uh, Life Achievement Award was going to be that moment. 1174 01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:14,275 The American Film Institute presents a salute to Orson Welles. 1175 01:09:15,276 --> 01:09:17,612 I was the Founding Director of the AFI. 1176 01:09:17,695 --> 01:09:19,697 I started the Life Achievement Awards. 1177 01:09:19,781 --> 01:09:21,621 To salute an outstanding individual 1178 01:09:21,658 --> 01:09:25,203 for his lifetime contributions to the art of motion pictures. 1179 01:09:25,411 --> 01:09:29,082 We concluded that Orson should be the next recipient, 1180 01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:32,585 but The Other Side of the Wind intruded. 1181 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,463 Peter was my medium. 1182 01:09:35,546 --> 01:09:36,815 Stevens called me. 1183 01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:38,817 Peter said, "Orson would like to show something 1184 01:09:38,841 --> 01:09:41,177 from his new film, The Other Side of the Wind." 1185 01:09:41,678 --> 01:09:42,929 I said, "Fine." 1186 01:09:44,597 --> 01:09:48,017 It was a big deal, because we were trying to sell the movie then. 1187 01:09:48,101 --> 01:09:49,536 He was trying to sell the film. 1188 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,789 He thought he was going to get the money to finish it. 1189 01:09:51,813 --> 01:09:53,648 Which was not unreasonable, 1190 01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:56,526 but it would grow ever more complicated 1191 01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:58,736 as we got nearer to the time. 1192 01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:03,366 Nobody exceeded Orson in charm 1193 01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:06,786 when he turned it on and he came to play. 1194 01:10:08,788 --> 01:10:10,790 This was all of Hollywood there. 1195 01:10:11,374 --> 01:10:15,169 What a better forum to present the movie at? I mean... 1196 01:10:16,671 --> 01:10:19,525 Now, how about a look at the future of our gifted friend? 1197 01:10:19,549 --> 01:10:21,092 The Other Side of the Wind. 1198 01:10:21,509 --> 01:10:25,430 It's about a celebration in honor of a famous movie director 1199 01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:27,432 who is not Orson. 1200 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:31,936 And all of the movie freaks and filmmakers in the world are in at this bash 1201 01:10:32,019 --> 01:10:34,480 that I'm talking about, including a brilliant young director 1202 01:10:34,772 --> 01:10:38,609 who, by another coincidence, is not Peter Bogdanovich, 1203 01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:41,279 but is played by Peter Bogdanovich. 1204 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,868 Orson thought the AFI was that moment where everyone was going to 1205 01:10:46,951 --> 01:10:48,619 give him his just desserts. 1206 01:10:49,162 --> 01:10:50,997 This picture is beautiful. 1207 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:53,374 And so are you, dear Orson. 1208 01:10:58,963 --> 01:11:01,048 This honor I can only accept 1209 01:11:01,841 --> 01:11:03,885 in the name of all the mavericks. 1210 01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:06,971 And don't imagine that this 1211 01:11:07,472 --> 01:11:10,308 raggle taggle gypsyo is claiming to be free. 1212 01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:14,812 It's just that some of the necessities to which I am a slave 1213 01:11:15,980 --> 01:11:17,315 are different from yours. 1214 01:11:18,024 --> 01:11:20,359 He was not sucking up to the audience. 1215 01:11:20,443 --> 01:11:23,070 He was basically saying, "Fuck you," to the audience, 1216 01:11:23,154 --> 01:11:26,407 "Why haven't you acknowledged my genius today?" 1217 01:11:26,491 --> 01:11:29,952 Let us raise our cups then, 1218 01:11:30,745 --> 01:11:35,041 standing as some of us do on opposite ends of the river, 1219 01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:37,335 and drink together 1220 01:11:38,002 --> 01:11:39,921 to what really matters to us all. 1221 01:11:41,214 --> 01:11:44,050 To our crazy and beloved profession. 1222 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,428 To the movies, to good movies. 1223 01:11:47,929 --> 01:11:49,722 To every possible kind. 1224 01:11:52,183 --> 01:11:54,018 Orson makes a great speech. 1225 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,980 And then he worked in a clip of his new film. 1226 01:11:58,314 --> 01:11:59,941 The scene... 1227 01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:03,277 that you're going to see takes place in a projection room. 1228 01:12:03,361 --> 01:12:06,280 Waiting there is the big studio boss. 1229 01:12:06,364 --> 01:12:08,157 The stooge is trying to sell 1230 01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:12,036 the unfinished movie that Jake is making, 1231 01:12:12,745 --> 01:12:14,247 for which he needs end money. 1232 01:12:20,378 --> 01:12:21,671 I just think it was sad. 1233 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,882 He was practically begging for money. 1234 01:12:27,718 --> 01:12:30,888 - What happens here? - I'm not really sure, Max. 1235 01:12:31,848 --> 01:12:35,101 - You... You better ask Jake. - I'd better read the script. 1236 01:12:37,979 --> 01:12:39,146 There isn't one. 1237 01:12:43,025 --> 01:12:45,444 Jake, he’s just making it up as he goes along. 1238 01:12:47,446 --> 01:12:48,823 He's done it before. 1239 01:12:54,203 --> 01:12:55,872 Nobody gave him a dime. 1240 01:12:59,292 --> 01:13:02,086 He thought he was going to attract 1241 01:13:03,087 --> 01:13:06,591 somebody who would open up the vault and say, "Whatever you need." 1242 01:13:06,841 --> 01:13:08,092 And he didn't get it. 1243 01:13:08,676 --> 01:13:11,971 All right, go home! Who gives a shit? 1244 01:13:12,263 --> 01:13:16,434 You stiffs can put all this stuff together. We'll have our own movie. 1245 01:13:17,184 --> 01:13:18,686 A real movie! 1246 01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:20,813 A real movie! 1247 01:13:23,774 --> 01:13:26,319 Maybe she just don't love us like she used to. 1248 01:13:28,738 --> 01:13:29,822 Maybe. 1249 01:13:31,741 --> 01:13:33,284 Orson said to me once that, 1250 01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:37,079 "Los Angeles is the only city where every road leads to the airport. 1251 01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:41,417 If you're here, Hollywood can't wait to get you out of here." 1252 01:13:47,465 --> 01:13:51,385 The clouds around our film were gathering from all directions. 1253 01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:55,932 The new Hollywood ended around '75. 1254 01:13:57,433 --> 01:14:00,603 Star Wars and Jaws were blockbusters, 1255 01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:05,232 not personal films, and changed the atmosphere. 1256 01:14:07,193 --> 01:14:08,819 I did have the chance, 1257 01:14:08,903 --> 01:14:13,199 right after the tribute, of reviving my career in America. 1258 01:14:14,533 --> 01:14:16,786 But it was destroyed by the Iranians. 1259 01:14:19,163 --> 01:14:20,957 Iran's Islamic revolution. 1260 01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:24,752 Many foreign-owned businesses 1261 01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:27,463 and their assets confiscated without payment. 1262 01:14:29,048 --> 01:14:31,550 Financing got into deep trouble. 1263 01:14:31,884 --> 01:14:35,388 The Iranian company, they simply shut off the spigot. 1264 01:14:36,055 --> 01:14:38,140 You see, the Shah himself 1265 01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:41,143 was the brother-in-law of our producer. 1266 01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:45,272 When he was overthrown by the Ayatollah... 1267 01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:51,028 ...the film was confiscated by somebody... 1268 01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:55,324 Well, here it is... if anybody wants to see it. 1269 01:14:55,449 --> 01:14:58,119 ...and sent to a vault in Paris. 1270 01:14:59,704 --> 01:15:03,624 The Iranians attempted to move it out of Paris only two months ago. 1271 01:15:04,834 --> 01:15:07,128 Orson sued to finish his film. 1272 01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:09,390 Then, you know, he got fucked. 1273 01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:22,518 The French court locked The Other Side of the Wind in a vault. 1274 01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:25,563 Orson couldn't have access to the film. 1275 01:15:44,331 --> 01:15:47,043 When you hear the cry, "Death to the Shah," 1276 01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:52,256 it doesn't come entirely from the Iranian people. 1277 01:15:59,847 --> 01:16:02,433 Now, pretty much everything was shot 1278 01:16:03,309 --> 01:16:04,435 by this time. 1279 01:16:05,352 --> 01:16:07,229 And Orson was heartbroken. 1280 01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:18,032 I didn't wanna... don't wanna be introduced, 1281 01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,702 because I don't want this to seem like a formal occasion. 1282 01:16:23,162 --> 01:16:25,748 That stops right now. 1283 01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:27,958 Stops right now. Back. 1284 01:16:28,084 --> 01:16:30,795 About ten feet, you get a much better shot. Zoom. 1285 01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:36,383 Sir, my question is a little bit personal. 1286 01:16:36,634 --> 01:16:40,888 What are the greatest events of your life in relation to your work as a film star? 1287 01:16:41,555 --> 01:16:43,599 The greatest moment is always 1288 01:16:44,391 --> 01:16:46,310 when you know the money's in the bank. 1289 01:16:50,523 --> 01:16:53,984 The point is, you have fallen in love with an impossible medium, 1290 01:16:54,068 --> 01:16:57,530 because it's so hard to get the money for your pictures. 1291 01:16:57,905 --> 01:17:00,699 It's so hard to get the distribution. 1292 01:17:01,492 --> 01:17:03,077 I believe we should work 1293 01:17:03,536 --> 01:17:06,330 in the constant recognition 1294 01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:10,918 of the fact that we are lucky to be working, 1295 01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:14,797 and that our luck is too great to confuse it 1296 01:17:15,214 --> 01:17:17,007 with ultimate justice. 1297 01:17:17,675 --> 01:17:21,887 Particularly, since any intelligent person knows 1298 01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:24,181 that there is no justice in the world. 1299 01:17:25,558 --> 01:17:26,767 Of any kind. 1300 01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:30,437 My God, it's vodka. 1301 01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:36,986 This... 1302 01:17:41,365 --> 01:17:44,994 That's all. Don't go on shooting me laughing and saying nothing. 1303 01:17:45,077 --> 01:17:47,580 Come on, I don't want... I don't want footage of myself... 1304 01:17:53,335 --> 01:17:55,921 Sometimes I try to imagine Orson 1305 01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:58,632 having different bedrooms in different hotels. 1306 01:17:59,008 --> 01:18:02,887 And the door to this room is locked. And under the bed 1307 01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:06,515 are hidden boxes and boxes of film. 1308 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,600 Who knows? 1309 01:18:10,311 --> 01:18:12,991 A number of the things you've done, films you've made, 1310 01:18:13,022 --> 01:18:16,108 have gone on for a very long time. You've come back to them, picked them up. 1311 01:18:16,192 --> 01:18:19,195 Yeah, there are only two main projects which are unfinished. 1312 01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:20,571 Don Quixote. 1313 01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:26,702 And the other one, which has been much longer is The Other Side of the Wind. 1314 01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:31,832 I don't know how many other pictures Orson's got somewhere 1315 01:18:31,916 --> 01:18:34,835 that were never finished. A few, a few. 1316 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,631 The Deep was finished. 1317 01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:42,301 He just needed to loop the actors. 1318 01:18:43,677 --> 01:18:44,720 But he never did. 1319 01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:52,436 The Merchant of Venice. If you are listening to Orson, 1320 01:18:52,603 --> 01:18:56,649 the sound was stolen, that's the reason why he didn't finish the picture. 1321 01:18:58,776 --> 01:18:59,776 The Dreamers. 1322 01:19:00,110 --> 01:19:03,405 The Dreamers was a major project that would've been a really beautiful film. 1323 01:19:05,783 --> 01:19:08,383 Do you like to finish a picture and be done with it? 1324 01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:11,121 Are you happy when it's all done and cut? 1325 01:19:11,288 --> 01:19:12,288 No. 1326 01:19:12,998 --> 01:19:15,501 No, because you always hope you can make it better. 1327 01:19:16,627 --> 01:19:18,420 I hate every kind of goodbye. 1328 01:19:18,587 --> 01:19:21,882 And every time those lights go out, it's a little death and a little goodbye. 1329 01:19:26,303 --> 01:19:27,638 I have a feeling, 1330 01:19:28,889 --> 01:19:31,392 for which I have no evidence, 1331 01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:35,688 that he never wanted to finish The Other Side of the Wind. 1332 01:19:40,985 --> 01:19:45,447 I always thought that we would never finish the film until he died. 1333 01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:46,990 Because... 1334 01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:50,327 he felt that if we finished the film he would die. 1335 01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:57,334 On the other hand... 1336 01:19:59,878 --> 01:20:01,297 This question: 1337 01:20:01,714 --> 01:20:04,425 Orson did not like to finish his films. 1338 01:20:05,426 --> 01:20:09,013 There is really no logic in it, because not to finish his films 1339 01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,474 would have been suicidal, and Orson loved life. 1340 01:20:13,517 --> 01:20:14,935 And life for him 1341 01:20:15,394 --> 01:20:17,938 mainly consisted of making the movies. 1342 01:20:27,656 --> 01:20:31,702 It implied that he would act in other director's movies 1343 01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:34,580 in order to finance and to direct his own. 1344 01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:36,749 Then just before the end, 1345 01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:40,085 he would throw away all this money and effort, 1346 01:20:40,627 --> 01:20:42,629 which he invested into his film, 1347 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,382 for the sheer pleasure of not finishing it. 1348 01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:49,762 The myth of him not wanting to complete his films 1349 01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:51,722 is complete and total nonsense. 1350 01:20:51,847 --> 01:20:54,099 Such bullshit. 1351 01:20:54,224 --> 01:20:56,143 He wanted to finish them correctly. 1352 01:20:56,852 --> 01:20:59,063 I mean, look at the movies that were finished. 1353 01:20:59,897 --> 01:21:00,897 Hello! 1354 01:21:02,191 --> 01:21:05,319 One can only imagine what the pain and suffering 1355 01:21:05,402 --> 01:21:08,280 he endured through the years when he did finish. 1356 01:21:11,367 --> 01:21:14,036 Kane. Othello. Macbeth. 1357 01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:16,955 Stranger. Mr. Arkadin. And The Trial. 1358 01:21:17,456 --> 01:21:21,543 Touch of Evil. Lady from Shanghai. Immortal Story. 1359 01:21:21,627 --> 01:21:23,879 Chimes at Midnight. F for Fake. 1360 01:21:25,923 --> 01:21:27,007 And, of course, 1361 01:21:27,257 --> 01:21:30,803 he did everything to continue with The Other Side of the Wind. 1362 01:21:34,681 --> 01:21:37,309 I used to see him at Ma Maison, 1363 01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:39,520 a French restaurant in Los Angeles. 1364 01:21:39,603 --> 01:21:41,363 He would eat there seven days a week. 1365 01:21:41,397 --> 01:21:43,190 He'd go to Ma Maison for lunch. 1366 01:21:43,982 --> 01:21:45,359 He had his own table, 1367 01:21:45,442 --> 01:21:49,363 and there was mostly business involved. I mean, like Burt Reynolds. 1368 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:50,864 Jack Nicholson. 1369 01:21:51,657 --> 01:21:53,450 Henry Jaglom was a regular. 1370 01:21:53,784 --> 01:21:55,702 - I'll finish this. - Yes. 1371 01:21:55,786 --> 01:21:57,663 Chewing the burger. 1372 01:21:58,122 --> 01:22:00,791 He wasn't the ogre everybody thought he was, at all. 1373 01:22:01,208 --> 01:22:03,210 This weird notion 1374 01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:06,171 that Orson was sitting around Ma Maison doing fuck all 1375 01:22:06,255 --> 01:22:07,589 is insulting. 1376 01:22:08,173 --> 01:22:12,261 Miss Tracy. Prepare the standard rich and famous contract 1377 01:22:12,344 --> 01:22:14,680 for Kermit the Frog and company. 1378 01:22:15,389 --> 01:22:18,308 We'd had all these lunches and we talked about everything. 1379 01:22:18,559 --> 01:22:21,895 And he was focusing on getting the film back so he could finish 1380 01:22:21,979 --> 01:22:23,480 The Other Side of the Wind. 1381 01:22:26,942 --> 01:22:28,944 We created a company called Weljag. 1382 01:22:32,364 --> 01:22:36,034 And we lied and we claimed to have several million dollars 1383 01:22:36,535 --> 01:22:38,412 to pay the Shah of Iran's brother 1384 01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:40,747 the million and a half he was asking for. 1385 01:22:40,873 --> 01:22:42,583 And that would free the film. 1386 01:22:45,043 --> 01:22:48,422 He was outrageous. He was willing to completely lie, 1387 01:22:48,505 --> 01:22:51,550 because he didn't have any respect for the stupid process 1388 01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:53,051 that had held his film back. 1389 01:22:56,180 --> 01:22:57,848 So, we went and we testified. 1390 01:22:57,931 --> 01:23:00,017 The great part of the film 1391 01:23:00,559 --> 01:23:05,272 was made before there was a partnership with the Iranians. 1392 01:23:06,773 --> 01:23:09,610 We were appealing on the basis of the Code Napoléon, 1393 01:23:10,235 --> 01:23:12,279 that says the artist owns the film. 1394 01:23:12,446 --> 01:23:14,531 It's close to being finished, 1395 01:23:15,157 --> 01:23:18,160 but the failure of the Iranians 1396 01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:20,746 to pay the money they were supposed to 1397 01:23:21,163 --> 01:23:23,040 delayed us for years, 1398 01:23:23,165 --> 01:23:24,791 and several actors died. 1399 01:23:26,502 --> 01:23:28,378 That's what his whole focus was, 1400 01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:30,839 finishing The Other Side of the Wind. 1401 01:23:32,966 --> 01:23:35,761 And then the French judiciary announced 1402 01:23:36,261 --> 01:23:38,305 the producer owns the film. 1403 01:23:38,764 --> 01:23:39,806 Not Orson. 1404 01:23:42,643 --> 01:23:44,436 So, he's back to stage one. 1405 01:23:50,734 --> 01:23:52,611 You have to protect yourself. 1406 01:23:52,819 --> 01:23:54,821 There are subjects we don't think about. 1407 01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:58,158 You know, it's like avoiding the mirror. 1408 01:23:59,117 --> 01:24:01,620 I don't much like to look in any form of mirror. 1409 01:24:04,498 --> 01:24:05,624 In Orson's life, 1410 01:24:05,707 --> 01:24:10,045 there's a sense of the essential untrustworthiness of people. 1411 01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:14,633 It's a world view, and that really does run 1412 01:24:14,716 --> 01:24:16,718 pretty well through everything. 1413 01:24:17,803 --> 01:24:20,097 After that, I knew I couldn't trust him. 1414 01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:22,516 He was mad. 1415 01:24:23,850 --> 01:24:26,770 Betrayal was key to all of Orson's work. 1416 01:24:27,271 --> 01:24:30,274 They're mostly about two guys who love each other, 1417 01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:32,276 and one betrays the other. 1418 01:24:37,531 --> 01:24:39,575 Gosh, this is difficult territory, 1419 01:24:40,284 --> 01:24:42,869 but it must have stemmed from something in his life. 1420 01:24:44,997 --> 01:24:47,749 Actually, it starts as early as you like. 1421 01:24:50,794 --> 01:24:55,549 There are a number of betrayals in Welles' childhood... 1422 01:24:55,632 --> 01:24:57,759 I don't like a pair of eyes... 1423 01:24:58,510 --> 01:25:02,806 ...that were absolutely fundamental to him, formative to him. 1424 01:25:03,223 --> 01:25:04,349 ...staring at me. 1425 01:25:05,142 --> 01:25:07,060 His childhood was a mess. 1426 01:25:07,644 --> 01:25:09,187 With no look in them. 1427 01:25:09,855 --> 01:25:12,899 His mother died, died on his birthday. 1428 01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,277 And then his father was a drunk. 1429 01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:20,866 He told his father that he didn't wanna see him unless he was sober. 1430 01:25:23,368 --> 01:25:24,453 His father died. 1431 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:26,413 Suicide, take one. 1432 01:25:26,663 --> 01:25:29,499 Welles was convinced his father committed suicide. 1433 01:25:29,708 --> 01:25:31,460 "Would-be suicide?" 1434 01:25:32,127 --> 01:25:36,506 Drank himself to death in a hotel room in Chicago when Welles was 15. 1435 01:25:38,342 --> 01:25:40,886 - Announce it again. - Suicide, take two. 1436 01:25:42,012 --> 01:25:45,599 This was the greatest source of guilt in his life. 1437 01:25:48,143 --> 01:25:52,314 And he said, "I don't think you can get over your guilt." 1438 01:25:52,397 --> 01:25:54,441 He said, "You have to live with your guilt." 1439 01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:58,612 This treason... 1440 01:25:58,695 --> 01:26:01,156 is a theme that you use in other films. 1441 01:26:02,032 --> 01:26:05,619 Either people betray their best friends, 1442 01:26:05,869 --> 01:26:09,289 or they betray their values in which they believe. 1443 01:26:09,373 --> 01:26:10,832 - Yes. - Uh... 1444 01:26:11,208 --> 01:26:12,918 Which is worse, do you think? 1445 01:26:13,085 --> 01:26:15,885 I suppose it's to betray the values in which you believe. 1446 01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:17,171 There we are! 1447 01:26:17,631 --> 01:26:19,758 Now we found the difference between us. 1448 01:26:20,050 --> 01:26:22,552 To me, the worst thing is to betray a friend. 1449 01:26:28,225 --> 01:26:29,985 We were very close for a while. 1450 01:26:32,521 --> 01:26:35,065 And I loved him, and I think he loved me. 1451 01:26:35,816 --> 01:26:37,943 I like him. I like him very much. 1452 01:26:38,944 --> 01:26:40,529 I consider him a true friend. 1453 01:26:41,446 --> 01:26:44,366 And I ask you to welcome him. Burt Reynolds. 1454 01:26:47,869 --> 01:26:50,080 But Bert Reynolds and Orson, 1455 01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:53,417 they said a couple of not very nice things about me, on television. 1456 01:26:54,501 --> 01:26:56,920 We have a mutual friend, of course, Peter Bogdanovich. 1457 01:26:57,003 --> 01:26:58,505 That's right. As a matter of fact, 1458 01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:02,259 you have me to thank for the fact that you were asked to be 1459 01:27:02,342 --> 01:27:06,138 in the picture which was probably the least successful of any in your past. 1460 01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:11,935 My feeling was that the picture needed you. 1461 01:27:12,018 --> 01:27:13,018 Yeah. 1462 01:27:13,145 --> 01:27:14,688 No, it needed a lot more. 1463 01:27:18,567 --> 01:27:19,943 That's right. 1464 01:27:20,026 --> 01:27:23,071 I had the distinction of getting him on this show 1465 01:27:23,363 --> 01:27:24,614 and having him host the show. 1466 01:27:24,698 --> 01:27:27,176 - How did you get him off? - Well, that was the thing. 1467 01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:31,747 This is the one that hurts. 1468 01:27:31,872 --> 01:27:34,291 This is a scene we both hoped we'd never get to. 1469 01:27:36,710 --> 01:27:37,710 Hey. 1470 01:27:39,004 --> 01:27:41,590 Remember when you first appeared on that location of mine? 1471 01:27:42,549 --> 01:27:43,759 Yeah, I didn't even have 1472 01:27:44,301 --> 01:27:46,386 fare back home. Just that... 1473 01:27:47,429 --> 01:27:48,805 secondhand tape recorder. 1474 01:27:48,889 --> 01:27:50,682 A raggedy-ass kid. 1475 01:27:53,059 --> 01:27:55,604 So, I wrote him a note in which I said, 1476 01:27:55,687 --> 01:27:58,482 "I tuned in last night to see what you think about me 1477 01:27:58,940 --> 01:28:00,317 and I guess I found out." 1478 01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:04,821 And he sent me back a envelope... 1479 01:28:04,905 --> 01:28:06,031 The envelope. 1480 01:28:07,115 --> 01:28:08,909 ...with two letters in it. 1481 01:28:09,826 --> 01:28:12,913 One said he was absolutely horrified 1482 01:28:12,996 --> 01:28:15,916 and that he felt he'd betrayed our friendship. 1483 01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:19,044 And the other letter said I deserved it. 1484 01:28:19,127 --> 01:28:21,129 He said, "Take your pick." 1485 01:28:21,713 --> 01:28:23,131 What'd I do wrong, Daddy? 1486 01:28:24,508 --> 01:28:26,510 You can kiss my sweet ass. 1487 01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:33,892 Last Picture Show, Paper Moon. 1488 01:28:34,476 --> 01:28:37,854 Some of those early films. They said, "Bogdanovich is 1489 01:28:38,355 --> 01:28:40,857 the best we've got. He's on his way." 1490 01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:42,943 They don't say that anymore. 1491 01:28:44,069 --> 01:28:45,195 What happened? 1492 01:28:45,821 --> 01:28:48,615 Peter, due to personal situations, 1493 01:28:48,698 --> 01:28:51,034 ended up on the rocks in a number of ways. 1494 01:28:51,743 --> 01:28:54,663 But Orson was way beyond being on the rocks. 1495 01:28:55,038 --> 01:28:58,375 Orson was the rocks and the waves and the wind. 1496 01:29:01,044 --> 01:29:02,044 Cut. 1497 01:29:04,631 --> 01:29:06,049 Many years later, 1498 01:29:06,508 --> 01:29:08,844 we started talking on the phone again a bit. 1499 01:29:10,595 --> 01:29:12,180 But it wasn't the same. 1500 01:29:14,474 --> 01:29:15,767 And I said to him, 1501 01:29:16,810 --> 01:29:19,104 "I feel like I made so many mistakes." 1502 01:29:20,981 --> 01:29:21,982 And he said, 1503 01:29:23,024 --> 01:29:24,024 "Well... 1504 01:29:24,651 --> 01:29:27,612 it does seem to be impossible to go through life 1505 01:29:28,363 --> 01:29:30,949 without making a great many of them." 1506 01:29:34,077 --> 01:29:35,787 He died within a week later. 1507 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:51,970 Our next speaker has been Orson's friend and cameraman for about 15 years, 1508 01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:55,807 and a friend, very good friend. Underline. 1509 01:29:56,057 --> 01:29:58,310 He worked on The Other Side of the Wind and F for Fake... 1510 01:29:58,393 --> 01:30:00,812 At the memorial, Gary broke down. 1511 01:30:01,646 --> 01:30:04,858 That was a big piece of his life gone, you know? 1512 01:30:05,775 --> 01:30:08,820 He had more contact with Orson than he did with his children. 1513 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,491 The thing that's sad to me really is that 1514 01:30:13,825 --> 01:30:15,076 I wanna talk to Orson. 1515 01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:17,579 I wish I could talk to him 1516 01:30:17,829 --> 01:30:19,956 and tell him a lot of things right now. That's... 1517 01:30:20,248 --> 01:30:21,291 that's what probably 1518 01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:23,585 makes me feel saddest of all. 1519 01:30:24,336 --> 01:30:25,795 It just broke your heart. 1520 01:30:26,588 --> 01:30:27,839 He said stuff like, 1521 01:30:28,089 --> 01:30:31,134 "I don't know what to do tomorrow." You know? 1522 01:30:32,052 --> 01:30:33,052 And, uh... 1523 01:30:33,762 --> 01:30:35,680 He said, "I wake up every morning, what I do is 1524 01:30:35,764 --> 01:30:38,600 I call Orson and he tells me what I'm supposed to do today. 1525 01:30:38,683 --> 01:30:41,144 And I don't know what to do tomorrow." 1526 01:30:43,355 --> 01:30:45,148 Gary ended up with Orson's ashes 1527 01:30:45,231 --> 01:30:47,609 in the trunk of his car for a year and a half, 1528 01:30:48,026 --> 01:30:50,904 waiting for... where are we gonna bury him, you know? 1529 01:30:53,740 --> 01:30:55,742 I'm sorry for all the... 1530 01:30:56,284 --> 01:30:58,328 great things that Orson did 1531 01:30:59,037 --> 01:31:00,330 that were never shown. 1532 01:31:01,289 --> 01:31:03,208 And that's why I keep after you, Gary. 1533 01:31:03,625 --> 01:31:06,670 I keep hoping The Other Side of the Wind will be released. 1534 01:31:12,801 --> 01:31:15,804 This... This is what we started The Other Side of the Wind with. 1535 01:31:15,929 --> 01:31:16,930 Arriflex. 1536 01:31:17,597 --> 01:31:19,724 And then Orson could look there. 1537 01:31:23,603 --> 01:31:27,190 There was a work print amidst Gary's belongings. 1538 01:31:29,067 --> 01:31:31,695 And he did try to cut the movie before he died. 1539 01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:34,321 But... 1540 01:31:35,448 --> 01:31:37,534 without Orson, it didn't track. 1541 01:31:38,952 --> 01:31:43,456 Gary would have the story perfect in his head, he just couldn't get it on film. 1542 01:31:46,167 --> 01:31:47,669 But without any doubt, 1543 01:31:48,628 --> 01:31:50,839 I believe that my father would've 1544 01:31:51,006 --> 01:31:53,008 - immediately answered "yes." - Yes. 1545 01:31:53,258 --> 01:31:54,843 That he would do it all over again. 1546 01:31:57,721 --> 01:32:00,807 A lot of people wanna see The Other Side of the Wind get made. 1547 01:32:02,642 --> 01:32:06,271 It is the greatest movie never released, you know. 1548 01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:12,944 What did Orson really mean by it? 1549 01:32:13,737 --> 01:32:17,323 What is its... its true form? 1550 01:32:18,158 --> 01:32:19,784 It's an eternal quest. 1551 01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:23,038 I shot Someone to Love, 1552 01:32:23,121 --> 01:32:26,374 which is Orson's last movie as an actor, before he died. 1553 01:32:28,043 --> 01:32:30,045 And he turns to me and he says... 1554 01:32:30,712 --> 01:32:34,132 "We come into the world alone, we die alone, we live alone. 1555 01:32:34,674 --> 01:32:37,385 Love and friendship is the nearest thing 1556 01:32:37,677 --> 01:32:38,928 that we can find 1557 01:32:39,596 --> 01:32:41,806 to create the illusion 1558 01:32:42,474 --> 01:32:44,267 that we are not totally alone." 1559 01:32:45,727 --> 01:32:48,438 So, I'm working on that, after Orson died, 1560 01:32:48,730 --> 01:32:52,901 and I get a knock on my door. And it's John Huston. 1561 01:32:53,401 --> 01:32:56,905 He says, "You have footage of Orson that I haven't seen." 1562 01:32:56,988 --> 01:32:58,823 I said, "Well, I'll put it up for you." 1563 01:32:59,282 --> 01:33:02,827 As far as this movie is concerned, it seems to me you've got your ending. 1564 01:33:03,411 --> 01:33:04,245 Why? 1565 01:33:04,329 --> 01:33:08,041 Because we have come to the end. 1566 01:33:12,212 --> 01:33:14,672 - I'm glad you came today. - So am I. 1567 01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:17,008 Thank you. Stay a little longer? 1568 01:33:17,092 --> 01:33:18,772 Really can't go on recording this. 1569 01:33:18,802 --> 01:33:20,762 - Why? - It's got too sweet. 1570 01:33:21,221 --> 01:33:22,555 I'm not gonna say "cut." 1571 01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,599 I'll say "cut." I'm a director. 1572 01:33:24,682 --> 01:33:25,682 - Say it... - Cut! 1573 01:33:25,767 --> 01:33:27,477 - Say it into the camera. - What? 1574 01:33:27,602 --> 01:33:29,437 - Say it into the camera. - I did. 1575 01:33:30,021 --> 01:33:31,106 Can you do it again? 1576 01:33:31,564 --> 01:33:33,066 You want me to say "cut" again? 1577 01:33:33,149 --> 01:33:35,002 - Into the camera... - Wants to improvise 1578 01:33:35,026 --> 01:33:36,653 and do it twice. Cut! 1579 01:33:49,207 --> 01:33:51,042 Huston turned to me and he said, 1580 01:33:52,127 --> 01:33:53,419 "He let you do that?" 1581 01:33:53,753 --> 01:33:57,507 He said, "Oh, that's wonderful. I've always wanted him on film laughing. 1582 01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:59,425 That was so... "And he started crying. 1583 01:34:00,802 --> 01:34:02,220 He started crying, Huston. 1584 01:34:03,179 --> 01:34:05,431 Watching Orson laughing. 1585 01:34:24,951 --> 01:34:30,582 Clips of films, the cans, the years of work and ideas. 1586 01:34:31,749 --> 01:34:34,919 Did Welles see it all as an endless loop 1587 01:34:35,003 --> 01:34:38,965 full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? 1588 01:34:41,467 --> 01:34:43,178 Or, perhaps for him, 1589 01:34:44,387 --> 01:34:46,973 failure was simply a more interesting ending. 1590 01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:54,314 Orson talked about ways to re-imagine The Other Side of the Wind. 1591 01:34:54,814 --> 01:34:55,899 How did he put it? 1592 01:34:56,566 --> 01:35:00,028 Supposing, during the course of the picture, that it turns out 1593 01:35:00,236 --> 01:35:04,240 that it's more interesting hearing the actors and myself talk about it 1594 01:35:04,324 --> 01:35:06,576 than making the picture. That will be the picture. 1595 01:35:09,871 --> 01:35:12,207 Oh, maybe that's what he was talking about. 1596 01:35:12,373 --> 01:35:15,627 Maybe he was saying that The Other Side of the Wind was like a documentary. 1597 01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:18,230 At one point, he was talking about turning it into a documentary. 1598 01:35:18,254 --> 01:35:19,130 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1599 01:35:19,214 --> 01:35:22,008 As he always had done, innovating with the form. 1600 01:35:22,091 --> 01:35:24,928 You were showing people making a movie. 1601 01:35:25,011 --> 01:35:27,513 So, it was like a documentary. 1602 01:35:28,014 --> 01:35:29,891 See what I mean? It's that... It's that free. 1603 01:35:30,433 --> 01:35:32,227 Maybe it isn't even the picture. 1604 01:35:32,435 --> 01:35:34,979 Maybe it's just talking about making the picture. 1605 01:35:35,313 --> 01:35:36,314 We're just gonna go. 1606 01:35:38,566 --> 01:35:39,484 Let me show that again. 1607 01:35:39,567 --> 01:35:41,694 Maybe it's just talking about making the picture. 1608 01:35:41,778 --> 01:35:43,821 Well, that makes perfect sense to me. 1609 01:35:44,364 --> 01:35:46,241 I remember him talking to me about that. 1610 01:35:46,366 --> 01:35:48,368 It's all in the editing. 1611 01:35:48,493 --> 01:35:51,913 The Other Side of the Wind and his life were inseparable. 1612 01:35:52,205 --> 01:35:56,459 The whole documentary that we're all so accustomed to today... 1613 01:35:56,876 --> 01:35:58,086 he was inventing. 1614 01:35:59,921 --> 01:36:01,673 Well, who's gonna watch this film? 1615 01:36:02,173 --> 01:36:05,009 What kind of people do you think are gonna be your audience? 1616 01:36:05,677 --> 01:36:07,387 That's a wonderful question. 1617 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,722 I hope everybody. 132367

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